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October 28, 2012

Hurricane Sandy 10/29 update (tmi3rd)
— Open Blogger

Good evening yet again, Morons and Moronettes, and we maintain our vigil on Hurricane Sandy from the AoSHQ Weather Desk.

If you're in Virginia, Maryland, or North Carolina, obviously, you're already getting tropical storm conditions. If you're in eastern Pennsylvania, any part of New Jersey, or anywhere from southeastern New York to the eastern shores of Rhode Island and Massachusetts, you're on deck for hurricane conditions.

More below the fold...

To my surprise, Sandy is sticking to what the NHC forecast indicated... as such, confidence is high that the center of Sandy will come ashore somewhere between Delaware Bay and Atlantic City around 2 AM on Monday. This will put the business end of the storm into such areas as Philadelphia, New York City, Wilmington, Boston... you get the idea.

Sandy is currently headed northeast at 13 mph, and maximum sustained winds remain 75 mph with gusts to 90 mph. The minimum internal pressure is a very impressive 950 millibars.

Rather than breaking down each individual state's threat, here is a list of state-by-state impact forecasts. What I'd like to impress upon you is please, for the love of God, do not go near high water. I know that seems utterly obvious, but I'm anticipating that nobody is insane enough to go stand on the coast during this storm.

Obviously, if you hear the call to evacuate from your locals, heed it. Because it's going to hang out longer than Irene did, this is likely to be a bigger deal than Irene was. We had the same thing happen with Isaac in New Orleans- it wasn't a big deal until the storm slowed down, and then stuff started breaking.

A question was asked earlier of me this evening on Twitter about calculating storm surge- it's calculated by taking the tide height at the moment and then adding the surge on top of it. The bottom line is that if you're on the north side of the storm, you're looking at a baseline of four feet of extra water, and it'll vary from there, depending on where you are. Consult the above link for details.

Other than that, guys, there's not really that much more to add prior to landfall. What I do want to turn to now is the inland effects- if you're in upstate New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine, you still want to be prepared for some serious rain simply because of how Sandy will slow down on its way through.

Finally, we're getting some snowfall forecasts for the back side of the storm (this is the joy of these hybrid storms forming up; they're a headache)... the mountains of WV are looking at 2-3 feet, SW VA and eastern KY are looking at 1-2 feet, and the mountains of NC, TN, and MD are looking at 12-18 inches.

To close, I unintentionally annoyed LauraW this evening about being careful around high water... the thing is, guys, I covered way too many stories of people who were being careful but got a little too close to high water. The amount of water in this storm is going to be impressive, and I want there to be as many Morons around after the storm as there were before the storm.

So, please pardon my concern- in the meantime, please charge up your batteries, guard your Val-U-Rite, and enjoy the big show that you're about to get... these storms don't come along very often.

Okay, that's it from the weather desk! If you need me, drop me a note on Twitter at @tmi3rd, and I'll be around. Everyone stay safe!

-tmi3rd

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:14 PM | Comments (195)
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1 When are the hours when it will be unsafe to drive on roads in the Baltimore area?

Posted by: Housekeeper Nicky Diaz at October 28, 2012 07:18 PM (zrpqj)

2 Sock off.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 28, 2012 07:19 PM (zrpqj)

3 I'm sure this has been asked and answered, but why is it making a 90-degree turn suddenly and heading for the coast?

Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 28, 2012 07:21 PM (RstsB)

4 I think you mean it will make landfall around 2 AM Tuesday morning, not Monday.

Posted by: joated at October 28, 2012 07:22 PM (ou+2X)

5 Northern Baltimore suburbs here and all we have so far is some light to moderate rain. Thankfully I live at the top of a hill. Stay safe morons.

Posted by: Timon at October 28, 2012 07:24 PM (VbC46)

6 There's a stalled front over central PA runing north-south. The energy from Sandy will be sucked into the trough from that front. That's my understanding anyway.

Posted by: joated at October 28, 2012 07:26 PM (ou+2X)

7 You're right, Joated, my bad.

Posted by: tmi3rd at October 28, 2012 07:26 PM (cxomr)

8 And joated has the explanation right for the zig-zag, as well.

Posted by: tmi3rd at October 28, 2012 07:29 PM (cxomr)

9 What an odd storm. My best to all in her path.

Posted by: HtP at October 28, 2012 07:31 PM (jx2j9)

10 Praying for all of you in harm's way. Please take care.

Posted by: moki at October 28, 2012 07:31 PM (dZmFh)

11 Y'all.....these things scare the shit out of me and I'm right in its path. I live in a big but cheaply built house and I'm actually a little scared that it's gonna blow down. Not too worried about power outages, that will be a pain in the ass but survivable. Prolly get the rest of the week off from work too since the eye of this storm looks like it's going right over my office. I just asked Rockdad if we have any tarps and he said we have one. If we lose any of our roof before this thing is over we're pretty well f---ed.

Posted by: rockmom at October 28, 2012 07:32 PM (qe2/V)

12 OT: Those not involved in or directly affected by the hurricane: I hope you all will participate in Operation Benghazi by Freedom Works. Please call each major network and the White House Press Corps and hold their feet to the fire on Benghazi. Four Americans and their families deserve answers and justice.

Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 28, 2012 07:33 PM (TMSM1)

13 Wait, the hurricane is projected to strike.... MONTREAL? HA that is too funny

Posted by: chemjeff at October 28, 2012 07:34 PM (d/5qf)

14 I'm taking this online class required to teach in CA. You'll all be glad to know that teachers are among the most aggressively anti-intellectual people I'v ever had the displeasure of forced association with. Guard your children folks. Ask them what's happening in their classrooms.

Posted by: DAve at October 28, 2012 07:35 PM (sxzjk)

I was surfing the big waves at Rye Beach on the North Shore of New Hampshire DURING the "Perfect Storm" back in the day.

Rye on the Rocks.

This is so much distracting hype!! Hasn't it seemed like this storm has been plodding along for a week now?

Posted by: JDW at October 28, 2012 07:36 PM (11KLF)

16 We're all going to die

Posted by: D at October 28, 2012 07:36 PM (Es9ha)

17 This whole overhyped storm is bullocks! All it means is fun winter sessions and two days of following glassy sets in a region where they hardly get any surf.

Posted by: JDW at October 28, 2012 07:38 PM (11KLF)

18 @12: Related to that, McCain's finally out saying the key phrase: "Watergate didn't kill anyone". (Ok, he didn't word it the way Ace does, but the message is there).

Posted by: Ian S. at October 28, 2012 07:38 PM (rPA5/)

19 We're all going to die

Axiomatic.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 28, 2012 07:38 PM (hO8IJ)

"16 We're all going to die"

I hope not. I hope everyone is safe. And I'm sorry that I posted that above message in this thread----probably not the place to do it.

Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 28, 2012 07:38 PM (TMSM1)

21 You still here tmi3rd? It's me, IrishEi...remember...NJ to SC? Well guess what--I'm back in NJ (long, long story) after what seems like a hundred hours of driving, and now my town is being evacuated. And all I wanted to do this weekend was get a pumpkin.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 28, 2012 07:39 PM (DbCDM)

22 I wish this storm gave stand down orders so we don't have to hear about it in the media anymore.

Posted by: yomomma at October 28, 2012 07:41 PM (DKLl9)

23 Many people will find out they actually live in a flood plain. A once every 500 years flood plain.

Posted by: eman at October 28, 2012 07:43 PM (+XD7n)

24 Some other news:

Delaware: Tolls on Delaware Rt. 1 have been waived until further notice. Essential traffic ONLY on all Delaware roads after 5AM Monday until further notice.

Maryland: The US 50 bridge into Ocean City is now CLOSED to all traffic. Rt. 90 is your recommended evacuation route from Ocean City. The Governor has also waived all restrictions on prescription refills. If you evacuate and have forgotten/lost medications, you may obtain a refill of up to a 30 day supply regardless of when your prescription was last filled.

Posted by: crosspatch at October 28, 2012 07:45 PM (ZbLJZ)

25 I'm in Wilmington, NC, and will be for a while because of a busted car. G-d damn it.

There was a lot of rain yesterday, not what I would call "heavy" but definitely persistent.

Today, no rain. It's a bit cold, but not unseasonally so.

That's all I've seen of Sandy.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 28, 2012 07:45 PM (Y0jT/)

26 I have family in the NoVa burbs that I'm trying to convince to cancel all Monday appts. They are still determined to work half a day, have a doctor's appt, etc. Right now the forecasts are that the 50 mph winds won't start until noon, so they are planning on running errands and working until then. My arguments is, hey, that's retarded. What if something goes wrong. You get a flat, or have car trouble, or -- who knows. Getting stuck at work, or the doctor's, or on the highway when the really bad shit starts is life-endangering. So why risk it? So far I'm not winning the argument. I'll get one more set of calls in the morning to convince them to stay inside.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 28, 2012 07:47 PM (R+6Q+)

27
"I live in a big but cheaply built house and I'm actually a little scared that it's gonna blow down. ... I just asked Rockdad if we have any tarps and he said we have one. If we lose any of our roof before this thing is over we're pretty well f---ed."

Even if you have tarps, trying to put them up in a major storm is a serious risk to your life and limb. Ever seen how a tarp behaves in 70+ MPH winds? You can get thrown a considerable distance. Or get whipped by tiedown lines.

My own instinct is to rush to the site of trouble, but sometimes you have to just batten down the hatches and deal with the damage later.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 28, 2012 07:47 PM (ymG7s)

28 Hmmm...that 8AM Tuesday has Sandy in my living room

Posted by: SJR2 at October 28, 2012 07:50 PM (oCbCP)

29 I have family in PA. Worried.

Posted by: Jmel at October 28, 2012 07:51 PM (c+D8V)

30 They tell me that it will get calm sometime Tuesday morning for a little while

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 28, 2012 07:52 PM (e8kgV)

31 The silver lining... When this storm proves to be an overhyped, misinformed media/government dud - and it will - the peoples trust in both media and government in the blue states most affected will lose some trust in them. That's a good thing!

Posted by: JDW at October 28, 2012 07:52 PM (11KLF)

32 GIANTS!!!!!!!! FUCK YEAH!!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, wearing my GIANTS jersey, team dagny at October 28, 2012 07:54 PM (Ho2rs)

33 BeckoningChasm, Surfed Wrightsville and Kure Beach in '94. If they're seeing nothing but some swells, well...then, again, I submit - overhyped!

Posted by: JDW at October 28, 2012 07:54 PM (11KLF)

34 Hilarious how the Lamestream Media isn't blaring the Global Warming klaxon like they did during Katrina. I wonder why...

Posted by: Jester at October 28, 2012 07:55 PM (X+WXU)

35 DART and SEPTA service are SUSPENDED as of Midnight until further notice. Delaware Memorial Bridge to NJ, despite rumor to the contrary IS OPEN and there are no travel restrictions as of the time of this posting.

Posted by: crosspatch at October 28, 2012 07:55 PM (ZbLJZ)

36 Sounds like shit is getting real.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 28, 2012 07:56 PM (wR+pz)

37 #34 we have had late season hurricanes, even into November, before.

Posted by: crosspatch at October 28, 2012 07:56 PM (ZbLJZ)

38 Christie and others are bet-hedging...This is a reflexive response to Katrina politics during election season: "One of the meteorologists on staff even provided his contact information, urging those who think the storm is Â“overhypedÂ” to call and yell at him on Friday if it ends up not being as bad as they think. But, he said, even as they yell at him, heÂ’ll be happy they are safe." "That echoes the sentiment here in the Eyewitness Weather Center Â– we are hoping against hope that this storm doesnÂ’t perform as intensely as expected, and we are not trying to scare anyone, but we would much rather our viewers be over-prepared than under-prepared for what has the potential to be an unprecedented storm for this part of the country."

Posted by: JDW at October 28, 2012 07:57 PM (11KLF)

39 Speaking of hurricanes, I'm seeing some Romney ads in the Philly market, interesting.

Posted by: SJR2 at October 28, 2012 07:57 PM (oCbCP)

40 Brace tight, Cape May.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 28, 2012 07:58 PM (M5RGl)

41 3 I'm sure this has been asked and answered, but why is it making a 90-degree turn suddenly and heading for the coast?

Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 28, 2012 11:21 PM (RstsB)

Boosh!

Posted by: Barry at October 28, 2012 07:58 PM (wR+pz)

42 >>>We're all going to die Have you been watching Poltergeist 2?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 28, 2012 07:59 PM (M5RGl)

43 Keep DiT in Texas. ITYKWIM.

Posted by: sickinmass at October 28, 2012 07:59 PM (bcNec)

44 "If you survive, please come again!"

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 28, 2012 08:00 PM (e8kgV)

45 The Weather Channel has gone off the chart.

We are all going to die. Jim Cantore is at Battery Park. So we know shit will get real, or at least Jim will get some strange.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 28, 2012 08:01 PM (wR+pz)

46 15-yr old Dalwhinnie at the ready.

Also stocked up on some high-quality champagne in case the power really is out until next Tue. Just in case.

Posted by: Najdorf at October 28, 2012 08:04 PM (tAHf5)

47 3 I'm sure this has been asked and answered, but why is it making a 90-degree turn suddenly and heading for the coast?

Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 28, 2012 11:21 PM (RstsB)

It runs it to a wall of a big high pressure system so it had to turn to go around behind it when the high pressure system moves off to Europe. I thought it was odd to have such a sharp turn but as it is so late in the year the jet stream brought the high down.

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at October 28, 2012 08:04 PM (Ea64Y)

48 I ain't got shit in Brooklyn. Called in sick, because it would be hell getting a cab, they shut the trains at 7 and those fuckers at Barclay's Center are still jacking my parking spot if I move besides alternate side parking or Armageddon.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at October 28, 2012 08:05 PM (i0vBR)

49 Yankees=Pussies.

Just saying the whining BEFORE the event is just the stupid.

I hope our blue state friends are safe, but a big rain storm, shit you will get those you know. Even up North were everyone is smarter than the rest of the country,

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 28, 2012 08:05 PM (wR+pz)

50 Gotta bottle of Bolly and a bottle of McIvor (it fixes everything!) We filled a 5 gallon paint bucket with tap water and covered it just in case. No drugs

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at October 28, 2012 08:07 PM (i0vBR)

51 I work in DC. I'm at work now in fact (12 hour midshifts). Not sure whats going to happen tomorrow afternoon but I can't opt out of work. I have to be here.

Posted by: stillers at October 28, 2012 08:07 PM (8SsiG)

52 Out here in dry but cold Nebraska.

I'm not that worried about morons and water. You know how morons feel about water. If it was a storm surge of Val-U-Rite, no one would be left alive.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 28, 2012 08:09 PM (BuSM8)

53 Posted by: rockmom at October 28, 2012 11:32 PM (qe2/V)

Prayers for you and all in Sandy's path, rockmom. How far inland are you from coast and in which state?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, unbanned, ready to get this done at October 28, 2012 08:10 PM (baL2B)

54 49 Yankees=Pussies.

Just saying the whining BEFORE the event is just the stupid.

I hope our blue state friends are safe, but a big rain storm, shit you will get those you know. Even up North were everyone is smarter than the rest of the country,

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 29, 2012 12:05 AM (wR+pz)

I'd agree with you but I wonder how all of those tall buildings will hold up with those winds. It's not like you can cover a window on the 10th floor with wood.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 28, 2012 08:10 PM (BuSM8)

55 You know, the head ewok is in NYC. I guess the blog will shut down?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 28, 2012 08:11 PM (wR+pz)

56 Checked the NOHC updates on movement of Sandy

at 1700 EDT, heading 55 degrees at 15 mph

at 2000, heading 45 degrees at 15 mph

at 2300, heading 35 degrees at 14 mph 34.5 N 70.5 W

Bending to the north 10 degrees every three hours

Posted by: kbdabear at October 28, 2012 08:11 PM (wwsoB)

57 28 Hmmm...that 8AM Tuesday has Sandy in my living room Yep, me too.

Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2012 08:13 PM (sdi6R)

58 @54

Well they are smarter than us, so they will figure it out and tell us about how smart they were to figure it out.

The Today show tomorrow should be epic. Wonder how many tourist will be out there?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 28, 2012 08:14 PM (wR+pz)

59 rickl where are you?

Posted by: SJR2 at October 28, 2012 08:14 PM (oCbCP)

60 I hope Ace is not taking shelter in a deserted subway station. Has anyone heard from him? He must be prepping like mad in his bunker.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, unbanned, ready to get this done at October 28, 2012 08:14 PM (baL2B)

61 How many blogs have their own weatherman? AND he's a heterosexual. I think. Suck It Hot Gas!

Posted by: Scoop at October 28, 2012 08:16 PM (AzwZn)

62 We are all going to die. Jim Cantore is at Battery Park. So we know shit will get real, or at least Jim will get some strange.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 29, 2012 12:01 AM

It's not for nothing that I refer to him as Geraldo Cantore

Posted by: kbdabear at October 28, 2012 08:16 PM (wwsoB)

63 I suspect ace is out hobo hunting. They tend to cluster when it rains and it is easier to knock one off.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 28, 2012 08:16 PM (wR+pz)

64 2 AM Monday is in less than two hrs if I am not mistaken. Did you mean 2 AM Tuesday?

Posted by: Davidlind at October 28, 2012 08:16 PM (J9mCu)

65 If any moron in the storm is low on water, hobos contain 95 percent water

Posted by: kbdabear at October 28, 2012 08:16 PM (wwsoB)

66 I'm about 10 miles north of Philly, and had light rain a few hours ago, with occasional breezes. Right now it's very quiet. I took my flagpole down. I doubt it would break off, but I don't want the thing coming through a window. Better safe than sorry. I had my roof replaced back in 2005, and chose the top-of-the-line shingles. Reading the fine print, it said they are supposed to be good for winds up to 110 mph if installed with six nails. I paid extra and had it done. A couple of years ago I had some windows replaced, and opted for the impact-resistant glass used in hurricane-prone areas. I was mainly concerned about preventing break-ins, though. So I guess we will see.

Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2012 08:17 PM (sdi6R)

67 When the shelters starting filling up is when the B and E's will start. NYC will be a zombie playground for a couple of days.

Posted by: @PurpAv at October 28, 2012 08:17 PM (dGzRv)

68 We're all going to die. ------------------------------ Now here's Champ Kimes with the sports roundup!

Posted by: Scoop at October 28, 2012 08:19 PM (AzwZn)

69 2 AM Tuesday is correct for landfall.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 28, 2012 08:19 PM (Q719M)

70 @66

Sound like you are good to go. Good luck.

I went through Hugo, pretty scary. Don't go outside, like I did.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 28, 2012 08:20 PM (wR+pz)

71 I'm in the corner of PA, DE & MD, what finally made me concerned was they moved all the school buses to staging areas, in all my years, I have never seen nor heard of that...suppose it has anything to do with it being an election year?

Posted by: SJR2 at October 28, 2012 08:20 PM (oCbCP)

72 I suspect more than a few morons will be reduced to drinking their own urine within 48 hours.

In other words, it's gonna be like a four day holiday weekend.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 28, 2012 08:21 PM (BuSM8)

73 Once it gets much over 65mph, its time to stop spectating outside...

Posted by: @PurpAv at October 28, 2012 08:22 PM (dGzRv)

74 I'll throw this out there again for those that missed it earlier, the Hurricane Watch Net, manned by Amateur Radio (Ham) operators, provides real time reports to the National Hurricane Center in Miami. You can listen to their live feed from their website at www.hwn.org when the net is activated. If you have a single sideband capable shortwave receiver, you can also listen over the air on the frequencies listed on their site. At this moment, the net is not active, but they will resume operations when Sandy starts nearing land.

Posted by: Country Singer at October 28, 2012 08:23 PM (meVGV)

75 62 We are all going to die. Jim Cantore is at Battery Park. So we know shit will get real, or at least Jim will get some strange.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 29, 2012 12:01 AM

This is a good sign for Battery Park!

In Florida we figure wherever Jim is first the hurricane will go elsewhere. Seriously.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, unbanned, ready to get this done at October 28, 2012 08:23 PM (baL2B)

76 OH NOES!

TIGERS LOST!

LOOKS LIKE OFUCKFUMBLEFAILBAMA PICKED ANOTHER LOSER!

Ouch...What is he now 0 and 16 Trillion?

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Benghazi Came Home to Roost Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 28, 2012 08:23 PM (ovpNn)

77 I'm well prepared for this storm. I'm in Florida.

Posted by: Scoop at October 28, 2012 08:24 PM (AzwZn)

78 I hope our Yankee morons have some internet to keep us posted.

Good luck morons. Just remember this is all boosh's fault some how.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 28, 2012 08:24 PM (wR+pz)

16We're all going to die

Sorry, but I'm too far inland.

Posted by: harleycowboy at October 28, 2012 08:24 PM (+9AX9)

It's not the wind and the storm itself, but the rain and the storm surge that will cause some epic flooding. If the folks on the ground aren't ready for it, they will get drowned caught in a flood plain that was never a flood plain before.

The old and stubborn hardest hit.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at October 28, 2012 08:24 PM (sJTmU)

81 So my dumbass decides to step outside and see what the weather is like. Of course, I pull the door shut behind me and lock myself out. Woke up the upstairs neighbor, called a bunch of locksmiths and none could come out. Luckily (I think) the neighbor who used to live here still had a key

Posted by: Doc at October 28, 2012 08:25 PM (3HsdR)

82 Free refills in MD, every script kiter is flocking there - I bet they sell more OxyContin then sandbags this week.

Posted by: Jean at October 28, 2012 08:26 PM (iy7de)

83

BRB, looting.

Posted by: Your Average New Yorker

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 28, 2012 08:26 PM (kdS6q)

84 @80

True dat. I saw attics full of water a mile from the beach after Karteria.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 28, 2012 08:26 PM (wR+pz)

72I suspect more than a few morons will be reduced to drinking their own urine within 48 hours.

Doubling up on the alcohol?

Posted by: harleycowboy at October 28, 2012 08:26 PM (+9AX9)

86 Once this is past, don't wade in the water like stupid people here...and let their kids play in the septic tank shared with water moccasins, gators and live power lines. Perhaps Yankees have more sense than to do this. Florida is a mess of crazy.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, unbanned, ready to get this done at October 28, 2012 08:27 PM (baL2B)

87 While coastal Carolina is under a tropical storm watch there's a winter storm warning for us here on the Tennessee border. I took inventory this afternoon, was short a few basics and headed into town. On the way back at 9 pm it was already snowing at the top of the gap.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at October 28, 2012 08:28 PM (A1T/G)

88 @81

Was alcohol involved in this? if not, you an idiot.. Always plant a key or TWO somewhere.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 28, 2012 08:28 PM (wR+pz)

89 TMI3rd, lots of eeyoring going on as people scream BS such as...

I've surfed a Cat 1

I've taken bigger pisses than a Cat 1

etc....

Clearly, few people have taken the time to read why this system and its eventual interaction with the Winter storm, are so special.

And, it seems that even without these special circumstances, a certain Cat 1 can create tremendous devastation when the next does not.

Is the Cat system, alone, really covering it? It seems that basing the designation solely upon wind speed and not the impacts of water don't cover the entire picture.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 28, 2012 08:28 PM (piMMO)

A thought just occurred to me about something I saw in Ohio this weekend. There were a couple of convoys of cherry picker- power line service trucks moving through town (Columbus, OH) this weekend. They are heading east to the coast and getting positioned to repair downed lines, etc.

It's going to be a mess because so many people live in the path of the storm.

60 million??

And I hope that's all it is, a mess and no death and tragedies.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at October 28, 2012 08:29 PM (sJTmU)

91 night all.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 28, 2012 08:29 PM (wR+pz)

92 88, Yes I've had a few today. It's part of being a Cowboys fan. Oh, by the way, since I went outside to see: it's windy.

Posted by: Doc at October 28, 2012 08:30 PM (3HsdR)

93 Is the Cat system, alone, really covering it? It seems that basing the designation solely upon wind speed and not the impacts of water don't cover the entire picture.

No. It should be integrated over the affected area and duration.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Accumulated_cyclone_energy

Posted by: Al at October 28, 2012 08:30 PM (MzQOZ)

94 I surfed Hugo, well after the evacuation order on Isle of Palms. Cops were not amused.

Posted by: Jean at October 28, 2012 08:31 PM (iy7de)

95 Breaking News: Bloomberg says he will limit hurricane Sandy to 16 ounces of flooding.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at October 28, 2012 08:32 PM (i0vBR)

96 "Extraordinary storm, extremely serious threat Stu Ostro, Senior Meteorologist, The Weather Channel Oct 28, 2012 10:53 pm ET" http://tinyurl.com/gtcry

Posted by: What do you do all day if you don't watch tv, anne? at October 28, 2012 08:32 PM (oZfic)

97 This storm not your typical wam-bam-thank-you-ma'am. Gonna stick around for awhile: N.W.S.--"Keep in mind that weÂ’re not talking about a couple hours of strong winds, here Â– weÂ’re talking about DAYS. That means that even generally strong trees and branches might start to fall under the impact of such a prolonged beating." Hey Ace, is there anything you can add regarding the "impact of prolonged beatings" based on your experience?

Posted by: Scoop at October 28, 2012 08:34 PM (AzwZn)

98 Is the Cat system, alone, really covering it? It seems that basing the designation solely upon wind speed and not the impacts of water don't cover the entire picture. That's what I've been thinking. There are so many variables, for example a storm that speeds through vs. one that sits and pours rain over the same area for hour after hour. Then there was Irene last year, which got a lot of media hype because it threatened the Northeast. It weakened before landfall, and turned out not to be as bad as feared. Some people called it a fizzle. But then it hit Vermont as "only" a tropical storm, and caused catastrophic flooding. So yes, I think the category system can cause some people to become complacent.

Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2012 08:34 PM (sdi6R)

99 95 If it were a storm surge of Mountain Dew he'd have every possible resource out there to stop it.

Posted by: Doc at October 28, 2012 08:35 PM (3HsdR)

100 No. It should be integrated over the affected area and duration.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Accumulated_cyclone_energy

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I'm confused. If they already use ACE, for individual storms, does that mean the Cat is representative of the ACE or is the ACE only determined after-the-fact? I see there is also a HDP scale.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 28, 2012 08:36 PM (piMMO)

101 I'm going surfing with my new cement overshoes... It'll be awesome

Posted by: Truman North at October 28, 2012 08:36 PM (I2LwF)

102 Are the small tornados generated by a hurricane a function of the forward movement of the storm or shears between internal wind bands, and thus be generated while the storm is stalled.

Posted by: Jean at October 28, 2012 08:37 PM (iy7de)

103 Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Benghazi Came Home to Roost Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 29, 2012 12:23 AM (ovpNn) Fuck me dry, Jerry GD, that was funny. And now I denounce myself for whatever.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at October 28, 2012 08:38 PM (i0vBR)

104 Live Cam from the Statue of Liberty facing lower Manhattan

http://tinyurl.com/8ty7nds

Posted by: kbdabear at October 28, 2012 08:39 PM (wwsoB)

105

Hey Ace, is there anything you can add regarding the "impact of prolonged beatings" based on your experience?

Depends. Am I giving or recieving?

Posted by: sockpuppet Ace at October 28, 2012 08:39 PM (+9AX9)

106 remember when there was a hurricane headed towards NO right before the pub convention and the dems complained that the pubs should have delayed or cancelled the convention? Remember when they said pubs partied while black people drowned? Is the JEF gonna stop campaigning cause of Sandy? It is much bigger than the one they complained of. Obama parties while the NE drowns?

Posted by: Thunderb at October 28, 2012 08:40 PM (Dnbau)

107 Ironic isn't it that NJ is the only nearby state that hasn't been approved for federal aid yet, despite applying this morning. No politics involved there, right?

Posted by: Doc at October 28, 2012 08:40 PM (3HsdR)

108 Accuweather Forum http://tinyurl.com/8fjugky

Posted by: Baldy at October 28, 2012 08:40 PM (opS9C)

109 Be safe, 'Rons and 'Ettes! Prayers for your safety.

Posted by: Theresa 4 Romney/Ryan at October 28, 2012 08:42 PM (FDErx)

110 Ironic isn't it that NJ is the only nearby state that hasn't been approved for federal aid yet, despite applying this morning. No politics involved there, right? Posted by: Doc at October 29, 2012 12:40 AM (3HsdR) The JEF pulls that kind of shit all the time against Texas, remember the wildfires last summer?

Posted by: Thunderb at October 28, 2012 08:43 PM (Dnbau)

111 That's what I've been thinking. There are so many variables, for example a storm that speeds through vs. one that sits and pours rain over the same area for hour after hour.

Then there was Irene last year, which got a lot of media hype because it threatened the Northeast. It weakened before landfall, and turned out not to be as bad as feared. Some people called it a fizzle.

But then it hit Vermont as "only" a tropical storm, and caused catastrophic flooding.

So yes, I think the category system can cause some people to become complacent.

***

Beryl made a direct hit on Jax this year and left very little damage in her wake whereas we've had tropical storms pass 100 miles or more from here and cause considerable flooding and power outages.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 28, 2012 08:45 PM (piMMO)

112 110 Oh, I know. My research is disaster policy. I think the pettiness of the administration is disgusting, as this should be the one area I would argue is what we create government for (besides defense). In this case pretty much everyone agrees landfall will be somewhere here in NJ. But even states like CT have their pre-landfall applications approved already. Here? Let the guy that criticizes the SCOMAF suffer and feel the wrath of pissed off citizens, since that will cost him politically.

Posted by: Doc at October 28, 2012 08:47 PM (3HsdR)

113 Just heard some impromptu fireworks go off for the Giants.

Posted by: Max Power at October 28, 2012 08:47 PM (+wxCD)

114 Livestreaming from Livestream's HQ in NYC.

http://new.livestream.com/breakinglivenowdirect/sandycam

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 28, 2012 08:48 PM (piMMO)

115

The bad thing with all the rain is that the big trees lose their grip and fall over due to the high winds.

God please watch over our friends in the path of this storm and keep them and their homes safe.

Posted by: harleycowboy at October 28, 2012 08:52 PM (+9AX9)

116 in the NE, the rain will soften the ground, and loosen the roots, and the wind will blow the trees down, taking out power lines

Posted by: Thunderb at October 28, 2012 08:53 PM (Dnbau)

117 Tmi, as always, thanks for the updates and the concern. It's going to be tough in NJ for the next few days. We're not equipped for this type of weather. But we'll deal. Probably without power, but ... we'll try to find other ways to get our Ace fix. Keep up the great updates while we have the power to enjoy them.

Posted by: NJRob at October 28, 2012 08:53 PM (FVp26)

118

Since Obama always pics Losers, and he picked the Tigers making it a self fulfulling prophecy, will that cost him Michigan?

Its like he is that guy that anything he touches turns to shit.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Benghazi Came Home to Roost Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 28, 2012 08:54 PM (ovpNn)

119 Obama is totally going to exploit Sandy for Political gain.

Ala the Gabby Giffords shooting.

Hopefully america is wise enough to not fall for it this final time.

Cause after teh election...he doesnt give a shit anymore what he does and what we think.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Benghazi Came Home to Roost Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 28, 2012 08:56 PM (ovpNn)

120 Good night. God speed Jersey morons. Not Jersey Shore morons though. Ok, ok, them too.

Posted by: Thunderb at October 28, 2012 08:57 PM (Dnbau)

121

Cause after teh election...he doesnt give a shit anymore what he does and what we think.

Who the hell said he did in the first place?

Posted by: harleycowboy at October 28, 2012 08:58 PM (+9AX9)

122 Behold the Smartest Man to Ever Grace the White House:

‏@Chris_Moody
Wow RT @devindwyer: POTUS at FL phone-bank: "Hi is this Ann? Hi, is this Ann? Oh, I'm sorry, I must have the wrong number." Click.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 28, 2012 08:59 PM (DKxu1)

123 You Eastcoasters are warriors!

Posted by: concrete girl at October 28, 2012 09:00 PM (y2Ojs)

124 I saw a good comment at Ticker Forum by someone who seems to know what he's talking about. http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3059189 Apparently the barometric pressure is equivalent to a Cat 3 storm. I'm not sure whether that section of the forum is members-only or not, so the link might not work for you. In case you can't view it, here's an excerpt: I believe tonight this just surpassed Igor as having the largest radius of gale force winds EVER.

Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2012 09:02 PM (sdi6R)

125 Who can take tomorrow, dip it in a dream Separate the sorrow and collect up all the cream The Sandy Cam, the Sandy Cam can

Posted by: Scoop at October 28, 2012 09:07 PM (AzwZn)

126 Hey guys- I'm off to bed here, but a couple of quick answers from above... 1) The Saffir-Simpson category scale- it doesn't really take destructive potential into account. It's purely raw wind speed, but as you noted, if it hangs out for any length of time without winding down, it makes a hell of a mess. 2) Tornadoes, typically generated in the northeastern quadrant of the storm, are a function of the shear between bands and also from good old-fashioned friction between the system and the ground (as I understand it). It's highest in that quadrant, for reasons that my calculus-fu isn't strong enough to understand. 3) This pressure is way low for a Category 1 hurricane, but it's no longer a hurricane in the truest form- it's an extratropical cyclone. What that means is that you trade off the ridiculously high winds in the center for a broader wind field, but a more uniform wind field. It means you'll get those 75 mph winds much further out than you would with your typical hurricane. Anyway, as ever, folks, thanks for the read... this will go by in a couple of days, so just stay safe. I'll be available on Twitter all day tomorrow if you need to find me.

Posted by: tmi3rd at October 28, 2012 09:10 PM (cxomr)

127 Hey Ace, is there anything you can add regarding the "impact of prolonged beatings" based on your experience?

Posted by: Scoop at October 29, 2012 12:34 AM (AzwZn)

What do you mean, Ace? Ace is probably floating off the coast of Greenland by now.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 28, 2012 09:14 PM (BuSM8)

128 119 Perhaps if people start finding out about Benghazi, then it won't matter how much he milks this hurricane. Although Ron Barber is still riding on Giffords' coattails since that happened. So.....well....

Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 28, 2012 09:22 PM (TMSM1)

129 What do you mean, Ace? Ace is probably floating off the coast of Greenland by now. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 29, 2012 01:14 AM (BuSM

Ace made it through the Flemish Cap? Impressive! Hope he brings back pics.

Posted by: Scoop at October 28, 2012 09:23 PM (AzwZn)

130 Thanks, tmi3rd! OK, he's probably gone to bed, but I'd like to hear from someone else whether they can see the Ticker Forum link I just posted above. Like I said, I'm not sure whether that is a public or members-only area.

Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2012 09:23 PM (sdi6R)

131

blackwater usa dot com

latest news

low profile in benghazi: when political correctness kills

Posted by: concrete girl at October 28, 2012 09:26 PM (y2Ojs)

132 I was able to get there, Rick

Posted by: BILL M at October 28, 2012 09:26 PM (B5XJH)

133 Thanks, BILL M. That's a really good thread.

Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2012 09:29 PM (sdi6R)

134 Never been there before ...

Posted by: BILL M at October 28, 2012 09:30 PM (B5XJH)

135 #95: offered without comment

(he's your mayor, not mine thank goodness)

http://tinyurl.com/93syt43

tmi3rd: thanks for the most intelligent and level-headed info on this storm

Posted by: soggybottom at October 28, 2012 09:47 PM (IrCh8)

136 something to keep in mind, since we just went through this last year, all the more vulnerable trees have been removed. Unlike a usual pattern where the same area doesn't get hit quite as much for a few years giving time for the trees to grow and age to set in.

So far their predictions of wind speed inland have been high by a factor of 2x.

Also it hasn't made it's hook yet and it's already missed one way point on the prediction path.

Posted by: Jcw46 at October 28, 2012 09:51 PM (Vh0f5)

137 the crotch is sandy.

confidence is high.

wear your long underwear.

Daisy says hi to Red.

The Moon is full but the Sun is red.

Crazy joe says he needs more time.

And now back to some ballroom music.

Posted by: Jcw46 at October 28, 2012 10:12 PM (Vh0f5)

138 crap. I'm the only insomniac? or the only sober one.

Posted by: Jcw46 at October 28, 2012 10:12 PM (Vh0f5)

139 No hurricanes in San Diego. And no major earthquakes either. Our only serious natural disaster is the occasional tsunami of vomit that heads up from Tijuana.

Posted by: wooga at October 28, 2012 10:26 PM (IhzyJ)

140 SUMMARY OF 200 AM EDT...0600 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...35.2N 70.5W
ABOUT 280 MI...455 KM E OF CAPE HATTERAS NORTH CAROLINA
ABOUT 425 MI...685 KM SSE OF NEW YORK CITY
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...75 MPH...120 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 10 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...950 MB...28.05 INCHES

Posted by: kbdabear at October 28, 2012 10:37 PM (wwsoB)

141 139 No hurricanes in San Diego. And no major earthquakes either. Our only serious natural disaster is the occasional tsunami of vomit that heads up from Tijuana.
Posted by: wooga at October 29, 2012 02:26 AM

You're forgetting the bad wildfires of 2003 and 2007

Posted by: kbdabear at October 28, 2012 10:38 PM (wwsoB)

142 Also it hasn't made it's hook yet and it's already missed one way point on the prediction path.
Posted by: Jcw46 at October 29, 2012 01:51 AM

It's swung from a heading of 35 degrees to 10 degrees in 3 hours and is now heading north. Looking at the patterns, the question isn't which direction it goes, but which point it makes landfall

Posted by: kbdabear at October 28, 2012 10:40 PM (wwsoB)

143 Enough on the storm already.

Posted by: Sexypig at October 28, 2012 11:04 PM (Ms7c8)

144

ITS SIMPLE: WORLD IS ENDING KIND OF STORM. WHEN IT TURNS OUT TO BE A PICNIC.... OBAMA SAVED US.

Just watch.

Posted by: ObamaGivesFilatio at October 28, 2012 11:28 PM (gKz+d)

145 You're forgetting the bad wildfires of 2003 and 2007

Posted by: kbdabear at October 29, 2012 02:38 AM (wwsoB)[br[br]Yes, I forgot those. Fire remains a big risk, but that can be mitigated by living away from the edges of development. And they are not usually life threatening, since you get some advanced warning to evacuate. It's a lot easier to avoid fires in San Diego than tornadoes in Wichita (for example).

Posted by: wooga at October 28, 2012 11:40 PM (IhzyJ)

146 Nothingburger!

Posted by: logprof, repeating AoSHQ trope at October 29, 2012 12:22 AM (jKE+Z)

147 There was a hurricane Irene in FL maybe 12-15 years ago, a low grade Cat 1 hardly worth boarding up for that came in around Palm Beach. Once it made landfall it kinda stalled and we had torrential rain for 3 days even as the winds dropped off and it dropped off to a TS.

People were running jet skis down the main road into my development. Every road in the place was flooded to some degree. I tried to walk out and gave up when it got hip deep. That's when I found out that my house is at the absolute high point for about a mile in any direction. It would have taken another 6" of water before I'd get any in the house. Some had 6" water in their living rooms.

Many storms much stronger than that 90's vintage Irene never dropped near as much water.

Posted by: @PurpAv at October 29, 2012 12:29 AM (+6Z2x)

148 Some brilliant commentary on heavy rains "lifting storm drains" from The Weather Channel: "I've seen this much rain actually lift up storm drains, and some of these weigh more than 100 pounds ... more than a petite human." I think she meant, "midget".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 29, 2012 12:38 AM (X3lox)

149 From ZeroHedge, the Chicago Board of Options Exchange is going to be closed Monday. Man ... that must really be one hell of a storm. Closed in Chicago! I wonder if Tokyo is closing Monday, too?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 29, 2012 12:41 AM (X3lox)

150 hurricane schmurricane who cares

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 29, 2012 12:42 AM (Z9EHQ)

151 staying away from high water is always a good idea. I would also add high girls, mineral water, vitamin water, high guys, and all flavored waters.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 29, 2012 12:45 AM (Z9EHQ)

152 But is Intrade closed Monday? We must check there to be sure Obama is up by 20!

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at October 29, 2012 12:47 AM (AZGON)

153 more than a petite human." I think she meant, "midget". Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 29, 2012 04:38 AM (X3lox) nah, a petite human, woman 5'0" to 5'3", in good shape is frequently around 100 pounds.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 29, 2012 12:48 AM (Z9EHQ)

154 nah, a petite human, woman 5'0" to 5'3", in good shape is frequently around 100 pounds. Posted by: yankeefifth at October 29, 2012 04:48 AM (Z9EHQ) But the Weather Channel chick was talking about "humans", not just women (and if the woman has large breasts - the only kind allowed near any weather broadcasts - then she's going to clock in well over 100 pounds, anyway, and the Weather Channel chick put the storm drain covers at over 100 pounds, too) so I still think she was talking about midgets.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 29, 2012 12:52 AM (X3lox)

155 But the Weather Channel chick was talking about "humans", not just women (and if the woman has large breasts - the only kind allowed near any weather broadcasts - then she's going to clock in well over 100 pounds, anyway, and the Weather Channel chick put the storm drain covers at over 100 pounds, too) so I still think she was talking about midgets. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 29, 2012 04:52 AM (X3lox) even the one on fox that is only hair and boobs?

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 29, 2012 12:56 AM (Z9EHQ)

156 even the one on fox that is only hair and boobs? Posted by: yankeefifth at October 29, 2012 04:56 AM (Z9EHQ) Maria Molina's breasts weigh around 48 pounds all by themselves. 48 gorgeous pounds of breast.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 29, 2012 12:57 AM (X3lox)

157 Looking at the unmatched sell order queue quantities, it looks like short sellers are piling on Intrade's "Obama win" proposition.

http://tinyurl.com/9dksutc

Posted by: @PurpAv at October 29, 2012 12:57 AM (+6Z2x)

158 NYC would have more credibility putting someone up besides Bloomburg to warn of danger. A guy who outlawed over the danger of a large pepsi.

Posted by: Up with people at October 29, 2012 01:07 AM (kzFo5)

159 NYC would have more credibility putting someone up besides Bloomburg to warn of danger. A guy who outlawed over the danger of a large pepsi. Posted by: Up with people at October 29, 2012 05:07 AM (kzFo5) effin codksucker. he closed public housing in evacuation zones - meaning shut off electircity and elevators. I do not really care but anyone who hates heavy handed policies for public housing is going to really hate death panels.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 29, 2012 01:09 AM (Z9EHQ)

160 and another thing, bloomberg has done everything he can to make car ownership in ny unpleasant, so if you do not have a car you are not going anywhere for 48 hours until subways are back online. cocksucking tyrant motherfucker.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 29, 2012 01:11 AM (Z9EHQ)

161 oh yeah, good morning.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 29, 2012 01:11 AM (Z9EHQ)

162 and another thing, it is the ones who can least manage the inconvenience who are being inconvenienced most, - I guess you get the government you deserve.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 29, 2012 01:12 AM (Z9EHQ)

163 Good morning from MD one and all. So far, we have high wind warnings, flood warnings, Metro and MARC service canceled today and the government shut down. My own company (Who does work for the government) is open but they are advising folks to stay home if it's too dangerous. I think I may listen to that advice.

Posted by: NR Pax at October 29, 2012 01:37 AM (BYIZu)

164 I'm in Dutchess County, NY, 75 miles north of NYC. It was supposed to start raining early yesterday evening but we've had nothing. Local weather casters are giving the impression that it's not going to be that bad here.

Posted by: Victoria at October 29, 2012 01:41 AM (tV5ow)

165 A little OT tidbit that I like to throw in faces at this time of year. Nobody ever poisoned the Halloween candy.

Posted by: Up with people at October 29, 2012 01:43 AM (kzFo5)

166 I'm in Dutchess County, NY, 75 miles north of NYC. It was supposed to start raining early yesterday evening but we've had nothing. Local weather casters are giving the impression that it's not going to be that bad here. Posted by: Victoria at October 29, 2012 05:41 AM (tV5ow) ----- Oh, you're a Dutches now!

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 29, 2012 01:44 AM (kzFo5)

167 You all (yinz) in the path of the storm have a lot of grit in my book. I live in Pasadena, California. The deal here is supposed to be that in exchange for the small chance of a devastating earthquake that comes suddenly and breaks everything, we don't have to worry about the possibility of other devastating weather events as long as we don't live somewhere stupid like Malibu.

Eleven months ago, old Gaia broke that deal, delivering a windstorm that was by a huge margin the worst in living memory around here. For 18 hours, we lived in mortal fear as gale-force winds whipped our gigantic pines and oaks around like roly-polys. One large pine in our front yard, weakened by an undetected disease, snapped at the base and fell with a sickening WHUMP across our neighbor's driveway, landing between their two cars with not an inch to spare either way. I was terrified that the far larger pine (150 feet high, four feet across at the base) three feet away from our house would fall and kill someone. It didn't, but huge cracks appeared in the soil around it and our air conditioner was pushed up six inches by a root beneath it.

I've been through some large quakes, but I've never been half as frightened as I was for those 18 hours. And I realize full well that for many of you, this kind of storm is NOTHING.

And so, to all of you in the path of Sandy, it's not just my prayers that I send out to you, but my sincere and profound respect.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at October 29, 2012 01:54 AM (IlZPo)

168 When it turns out to be a nothingburger, will Obama take credit? Yes.

Posted by: Truman North at October 29, 2012 01:55 AM (I2LwF)

169 We got noting here yesterday as it went by but a little bit of wind. I do mean little too.

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2012 02:02 AM (YdQQY)

170 I see that the crew of the tall ship hms bounty are abandoning ship off of N.C. Scary stuff. Coast Guard is sending choppers and a ship soon.

Posted by: and irresolute at October 29, 2012 02:03 AM (DBH1h)

171 Trouble is, we don't know just how angry the ocean is about SUV's and wasting gasoline. We've been trying, but the ocean might not care.

Posted by: Weather Desk at Current TV at October 29, 2012 02:09 AM (kzFo5)

172

Romney Gaffe Coverage Interupted By Global Warming. Obama To The Rescue... Breaking.

Posted by: News Desk at October 29, 2012 02:18 AM (cq3QL)

173 Just south of DC, light wind and rain but nothing much yet.

Posted by: LouisNatale at October 29, 2012 02:21 AM (DAOuG)

174 Heading straight N now @15... 85mph

Posted by: @PurpAv at October 29, 2012 02:37 AM (k+qpd)

175 A bunch of years ago I started researching places along the coast from NC to FL to move to. I wanted a certain combination of distance from the ocean with water access deep enough for a medium size boat, plus a certain elevation, plus a history of not getting whacked with hurricanes. Started with the Outer Banks and found a nice development with a marina 150 feet away, house on stilts on a nice elevation, protected etc. Didn't put a deposit down, thought I'd sell this place first. Within six months a minor Cat 2 came along and cut through the island about two miles away. Scratch that.

So I looked at the Gulf coast of FL, figuring that strong hurricanes couldn't make a sharp right turn. Checked the history and they hadn't had anything serious in over 50 years. Went down, found a new development on a lake with a marina a short drive away. Waited. Sure as shit within six months a Cat 4 (coulda been a Cat 5) rounded the corner and made a beeline for the island. Devastated the hell out of it and weather people were baffled. Scratch that.

I did a little more research on a few other places, with the same result. Within a year they all got whacked. So I've stayed put and the hurricanes have kinda been pretty tame ever since. SE Pennsylvania isn't really that bad except for the months of Jan, Feb, and March. I don't think a Cat 1 is going to do much damage here, but southern NJ barrier islands are gonna take a beating. Anyone who decides to stay put in one of them tonight is insane. Maybe they'll get lucky and it will be low tide when maximum storm surge hits.

Posted by: Snidely Whiplash at October 29, 2012 02:46 AM (feFL6)

176 The outer banks is absolutely the worst lace for hurricanes in the US. I would say if you wanted a place inland far enough to avoid the worst effect to get a place in Southern Georgia about 50 miles inland and then rent a storage thing for a boat down on the coast.

It has been a long long time since a hurricane came ashore in GA.

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2012 02:50 AM (YdQQY)

177 Video via Breibart: Sandy Flooding Norfolk http://goo.gl/i8lUp

Posted by: Scobface at October 29, 2012 02:53 AM (IoNBC)

178 Some guy up in north FL build a concrete dome shaped house near the beach. Ivan rolled right over his living room. He had some reporters with him when the storm rolled in. They said you could barely tell there was a massive hurricane going on outside.

When shit quieted down, they opened the door and saw the house took no damage worth noting. Then they looked around for the neighboring houses...which simply weren't there anymore.

Building a Cat 5+ proof crib ain't that difficult or more expensive than traditional construction...its just different, and will have non-traditional cosmetics.

Posted by: @PurpAv at October 29, 2012 02:57 AM (k+qpd)

179 They are saying folks in WV are going to get 4 feet of snow.

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2012 03:02 AM (YdQQY)

180 179 They are saying folks in WV are going to get 4 feet of snow. Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2012 07:02 AM (YdQQY) That's alot of frickin snow. Being this time of year it's prolly the heavy stuff that breaks trees and downs power lines.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 29, 2012 03:04 AM (kc2b9)

181 Yep, and they are saying wet snow.

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2012 03:05 AM (YdQQY)

182 Looks like Gabe is running late today.

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2012 03:05 AM (YdQQY)

183 been up awhile "anticipating" big storm in SoVa. Everything everywhere is closed. we're having some rain, but nothing else.

where is morning thread?

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 29, 2012 03:05 AM (HNwOT)

184 If you f..kers al die, who can I tax? JEF

Posted by: ExpatPatriot at October 29, 2012 03:07 AM (jBWHd)

185 Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 29, 2012 07:05 AM (HNwOT) Good morning Miss Kelly. I hope you are safe and prepared.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 29, 2012 03:07 AM (kc2b9)

186 Be a good opportunity for ogabe to suspend the election until things return to normal. Don't think for a second this has not crept into their tiny reptile brains.

Posted by: VW Zao at October 29, 2012 03:08 AM (vWZa0)

187 186 Be a good opportunity for ogabe to suspend the election until things return to normal. Don't think for a second this has not crept into their tiny reptile brains. Posted by: VW Zao at October 29, 2012 07:08 AM (vWZa0) He's a bold, crooked POS but he isn't that bold.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 29, 2012 03:10 AM (kc2b9)

188 Yep, and they are saying wet snow.

That's what we had last year on our 'Halloween' snow storm. Any tree with leaves -- which most of them still had -- lost branches. I still have a pile 50 long by six feet high in my backyard to clean up. Damn mulberry trees with all their gnarly growth, that seem to stay green forever. The maple branches were easy.

I think we only lost power for a single day. I can do that standing up.

Posted by: Snidely Whiplash at October 29, 2012 03:10 AM (feFL6)

189 BTW, NHC has NOT issued hurricane warnings for the areas about to be hit with a hurricane. WTH? http://tinyurl.com/8l75fky http://tinyurl.com/8ckb97a
http://tinyurl.com/3flwmb2

Posted by: Baldy at October 29, 2012 03:11 AM (opS9C)

190 we are prepared. got in a load of wood for the woodstove, have ground coffee (instead of bean which I grind ea. morning) for cooking on gas stove. the only thing I won't have if we lose power is YALL

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 29, 2012 03:12 AM (HNwOT)

191 Having not read through all comments, I'd like to preemptively echo anyone who posited how cool it would be if there were a trusted service that, through intensive study of past behaviors,, coupled with predictive modeling, could warn people of impending doom. Sure would have limited the damage of Tropical Stupid Obama.

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at October 29, 2012 03:12 AM (H4ekL)

192 O might extend elections--its probably a state decision, but Rendell would easily comply with O's wishes. Probably not in OH though.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 29, 2012 03:15 AM (HNwOT)

193 News up now

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2012 03:15 AM (YdQQY)

194 Stay safe, Kelley. Praying for you all in the path of Sandy.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, unbanned, ready to get this done at October 29, 2012 04:02 AM (baL2B)

195 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 29, 2012 10:38 AM (6o4Fb)

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