October 04, 2012
— Ace FNC topped the ratings. It just barely edged CBS and ABC.
Still, cable over broadcast network.
Obviously this means that a goodly number of people saw the debate, and that's a Good Thing.
I'm thinking this: Remember in 2008, how Obama captured the imagination of so many? And so many tuned in because of the unprecedentedness of it all? The drama? The celebrity angle? That it was more than politics, it was a Happening?
I'm wondering if any case could be made that even more people tuning in now is bad for Obama, even ignoring his performance. If you're still sold on Obama, it's not like you haven't seen Obama six thousand times already. You know his schtick. Nothing new coming down the pike.
So why would more tune in now? Surely it's not because more people have jumped on the bandwagon; that is inconceivable. You don't gain supporters with 17% real unemployment.
I don't know if much of a case can be made for that line. But I wonder.
Anyway, whether that slapdash logic works or not -- Obama was surely hoping that not too many people tuned in. Well, that hope was dashed.
Extra bonus: The stakes have been raised, and hence the drama. That means, I hope, that more people than usual will tune into Ryan/Biden.
And I don't want to count chickens before they hatch but... it's plus ten chickens.
A Romney Rally? So speculated.
65 Million? On Twitter, someone said Rush is quoting the 65 million figure, which doesn't include Spanish-language broadcasts or internet viewers.
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Posted by: CUS at October 04, 2012 10:10 AM (84pE9)
Posted by: 17% real unemployment at October 04, 2012 10:10 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Joe Scarborough at October 04, 2012 10:10 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: DarrenODaly at October 04, 2012 10:11 AM (wDAwT)
Posted by: Red Shirt at October 04, 2012 10:11 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Al at October 04, 2012 10:11 AM (MzQOZ)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 04, 2012 10:11 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Nukie at October 04, 2012 10:11 AM (OL96w)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 04, 2012 10:12 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: TD at October 04, 2012 10:12 AM (DQMcq)
Of those 58 million, at least 9.2 million want the drugs that Obama was on last night. Man, that looked like some potent-ass choom right there.
Posted by: imp at October 04, 2012 10:12 AM (UaxA0)
Buehler, anyone?
Posted by: eureka! at October 04, 2012 10:12 AM (cTjRR)
See Link
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 04, 2012 10:13 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: sherlock at October 04, 2012 10:13 AM (e9Bls)
From what I've seen of the obammy supporters and their pre-game trash talk, they were tuning in to see him kick Romney's butt. They really believed that their god was going to crush that conservative hillbilly with the 10 wives, and they stocked up on the popcorn.
The horror, the horror...
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at October 04, 2012 10:13 AM (25KoS)
Posted by: TD at October 04, 2012 02:12 PM (DQMcq)
No love for me? I would do fine.
Posted by: Half eaten ham sandwich in the fridge at October 04, 2012 10:13 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: tasker at October 04, 2012 10:13 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: rd does not belive the MFM at October 04, 2012 10:14 AM (9sUlj)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows poor people don't know how to dress themselves at October 04, 2012 10:14 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at October 04, 2012 10:15 AM (PH+2B)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2012 10:15 AM (Pixxe)
Did anyone catch the Marxist quote at the end of the debate, when Obama was summarizing?
Posted by: DoverPro at October 04, 2012 10:15 AM (wN82N)
Posted by: tasker at October 04, 2012 10:15 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Truman North at October 04, 2012 10:15 AM (ChxZn)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 04, 2012 10:16 AM (jUytm)
Also, I engage in magical thinking. Whenever I watch my team loses, so you can thank me for Romney doing so well.
Posted by: someone at October 04, 2012 10:16 AM (bqjJT)
Wow, what a difference having a sharp candidate makes. Who were the Republican insider geniuses that picked McLame over this guy in 2004, again?
Posted by: sherlock at October 04, 2012 02:13 PM (e9Bls)
The same insiders are the ones that were trashing Mitt Romney these last few weeks.
Posted by: rd does not belive the MFM at October 04, 2012 10:16 AM (9sUlj)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2012 10:17 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: 1 in 58 million at October 04, 2012 10:17 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 04, 2012 10:18 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Truman North at October 04, 2012 10:18 AM (I2LwF)
I think a reasonable conclusion is that LOTS of people are REALLY concerned about the state of the country, and are REALLY interested in seeing if the non-Obama candidate might just offer a real alternative.
They tuned in to see that, and what they saw was - President Romney, financial turnaround miracle-worker, ready to restore America's glory. Maybe this really is a game-changer.
Posted by: Optimizer at October 04, 2012 10:18 AM (As94z)
Obama is the same. Nothing new to see here. Romney is different. And people need a reason to believe that things are going to get better.
Also remember, the digital TV transition occurred in 2009. There is no counting the people that viewed the debates via digital OTA broadcasts, like we did. The number is higher than 58 M.
Posted by: Flounder at October 04, 2012 10:19 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: tasker at October 04, 2012 10:19 AM (r2PLg)
From the "reality based community of KosKids:
"The problem is noone is going to get this economy back on track in four years. The Shrub left us in a clusterf**ck and we're screwed for a decade.
To think what we could have had with a Gore Presidency. No Iraq war, Social security lockbox and balanced budgets. Sanity."
to think indeed, perchance to dream.
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 04, 2012 10:19 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Concern Troll at October 04, 2012 10:19 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 04, 2012 10:19 AM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Joe at October 04, 2012 10:19 AM (R+4RJ)
I watched it on Cspan.
Cspan had them in a split-screen...the whole time.
It was very revealing.
Details I noticed:
• Both candidates had Flag Pins on their lapels...Romney's was bigger, twice the size of Barky's.
• Barky was wearing a suit with noticeably more shoulder-padding, than usual....which camouflaged his small shoulders.
• Romney's head is bigger than Barky's.
Do they include the Cspan viewers in the 'ratings numbers'...the numbers for Total Viewers?
Posted by: wheatie at October 04, 2012 10:19 AM (l5RhJ)
Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 04, 2012 10:20 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: thunderb a conservative jew at October 04, 2012 10:20 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 04, 2012 10:20 AM (ovpNn)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, still kinda bitter about MD Jennings at October 04, 2012 10:20 AM (/kI1Q)
Newt was sheared, clipped, and trimmed. Never recovered
Posted by: Major _____ de Coverly at October 04, 2012 10:21 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Marmo at October 04, 2012 10:21 AM (QW+AD)
Joe Biden has a sooper sekret stragedy. He is going to tank the first debate just like Barack. That will make Paul Ryan over confident. And then...
Posted by: rd does not belive the MFM at October 04, 2012 10:21 AM (9sUlj)
The same insiders are the ones that were trashing Mitt Romney these last few weeks.
They're also the ones that nominated him.
They turned on McCain too.
Posted by: entropy at October 04, 2012 10:21 AM (TULs6)
BTW how many people over 18 in the US? That would give us a good percentage of how many voters watched.
Posted by: PJ at October 04, 2012 10:21 AM (DQHjw)
Posted by: 56 and loving RR at October 04, 2012 10:21 AM (9zugO)
Posted by: Obama's rancid smirk at October 04, 2012 10:21 AM (Kkt/i)
I'll just do a preemptive "Fuck off, Troll" right here.
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 04, 2012 10:21 AM (imtbm)
Posted by: Random at October 04, 2012 10:21 AM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at October 04, 2012 10:22 AM (PH+2B)
Posted by: Putin at October 04, 2012 10:22 AM (oSFWF)
Posted by: Meremortal at October 04, 2012 10:22 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Mark Wahlberg at October 04, 2012 02:20 PM (/YJYi)
Yeah, too bad nothing actually happened. Kinda like Obama last night...
Posted by: Major _____ de Coverly at October 04, 2012 10:22 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 04, 2012 10:22 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Putin at October 04, 2012 10:22 AM (oSFWF)
Posted by: bannor, voting Mittens and the Math Witch at October 04, 2012 10:22 AM (HEa5q)
Here are the five biggest--and worst--excuses for Obama's defeat:
5. We won’t know for 2-3 days whether Mitt Romney actually won. The idea here seems to be that the polls will tell us who won, although even CNN’s instant polling of those who had watched the debate had it at 67%-25% in Romney’s favor. This excuse has a purpose: to buy time for so-called “fact-checkers” to attack Romney’s arguments and change the narrative from “Romney won” to “Romney lied.” Speaking of which...
4. Romney lied with a straight face for ninety minutes. This excuse betrays the fact that so many on the left never leave their own media bubble. They believe what they tell each other about Romney and his policies, rather than listening or learning the truth. A good example was Rachel MaddowÂ’s battle with Rudy Giuliani afterwards, in which she insisted Romney lied about a $5 trillion tax cut that he has never, in fact, proposed. Sad.
3. The free-flowing format was bad and let Romney dominate. On the contrary, the format allowed Obama to deploy his favorite defense, the filibuster. It just so happened that Romney didnÂ’t let him get away with it, insisting on the right to reply to repeated distortions of his position. It is ObamaÂ’s fault, not the formatÂ’s, that he didnÂ’t know when to stop talking, letting himself lose focus while the words kept coming out.
2. The moderator, Jim Lehrer, let Romney win. This is the Obama campaign’s official excuse, judging by the post-debate comments of Stephanie “Felon” Cutter, who argued that Lehrer allowed Romney to dominate. Actually, Lehrer was his usual liberal self, and was tougher on Romney than on Obama, interjecting more often with follow-up questions and letting the president use a full four minutes more than his challenger.
1. Obama didnÂ’t show up tonight. This was the lament of Chris Matthews, who suggested--colorfully--that Obama had not tried hard enough to win the debate. The idea, once again--it is always the same when Obama suffers a setback--is that the president needs to fight harder, to be more aggressive. In fact, Obama was often too hostile. What needs to change are the ideas, not the tactics. And itÂ’s too late for that.
Posted by: mallfly at October 04, 2012 10:23 AM (bJm7W)
Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at October 04, 2012 10:23 AM (ozFTd)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 04, 2012 10:23 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Emperor Romnatine at October 04, 2012 10:23 AM (UZQM8)
They're also the ones that nominated him.
They turned on McCain too.
It's how they show how awesomely brilliant they are, or something. Really, they all would have preferred Huntsman.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2012 10:23 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at October 04, 2012 10:23 AM (hnfNE)
Posted by: not enough oxygen at October 04, 2012 10:23 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: PJ at October 04, 2012 10:23 AM (DQHjw)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 04, 2012 10:24 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: tasker at October 04, 2012 10:24 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 04, 2012 10:24 AM (xVSu4)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2012 10:24 AM (da5Wo)
( Luntz says they never done swung so much before, not never )
Posted by: Major _____ de Coverly at October 04, 2012 10:24 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Random at October 04, 2012 10:24 AM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: Concern Troll at October 04, 2012 10:25 AM (feFL6)
WRT Romney's time at Bain.
Bring it. It is the same trap as the 47% comment. Mitt has a ready answer for that one too.
He started a company from scratch and was successful. Very, very successful. Obama does NOT want to go there on the same stage.
Posted by: CUS at October 04, 2012 10:25 AM (84pE9)
Posted by: Crom at October 04, 2012 10:25 AM (1WKq7)
Posted by: not enough oxygen at October 04, 2012 10:25 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: eoow at October 04, 2012 10:26 AM (VM5DP)
Posted by: LASue at October 04, 2012 10:26 AM (wAhNv)
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2012 10:26 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2012 02:23 PM (QKKT0) "
Given what happens to Barry's Ambassadors, Huntsman's lucky to be alive.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 04, 2012 10:26 AM (TpXEI)
Ryan shouldn't be overconfident in debate prep.
Go back to the Bork hearings, and Biden's other hatchet jobs in the Senate. This tool will literally say anything. Anything his commie handlers tell him to say, he will. I expect him to come out slashing against Ryan personally, and Romney even more so, since he won't be on stage to defend/rebut. Don't underestimate a desperate zero who's about to get his ass kicked out on the street.
Posted by: rickinstl at October 04, 2012 10:27 AM (0AEWQ)
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 04, 2012 10:27 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Marmo at October 04, 2012 02:21 PM (QW+AD)
So are all of the 'ronettes. IYKWIMAITTYD
Posted by: Roy at October 04, 2012 10:27 AM (VndSC)
Last time, Obama's election was virtually a fait accompli, and no matter how much the media tries to make it seem that way again this year, this viewership rating proves that it is far, FAR from won.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 04, 2012 10:27 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Putin at October 04, 2012 10:27 AM (oSFWF)
Posted by: Gerglosesbig at October 04, 2012 10:27 AM (aHR5E)
Posted by: Nukie at October 04, 2012 10:28 AM (eDr4W)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2012 10:28 AM (+tqYo)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 04, 2012 10:28 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: bad movie at October 04, 2012 10:29 AM (LpQbZ)
Jugears will spend more time preparing for the next one too.
Posted by: slatz at October 04, 2012 10:29 AM (mE0Rl)
Posted by: Meremortal at October 04, 2012 02:26 PM (1Y+hH)
That bloodbath will be next Thursday.
Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2012 10:29 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2012 02:26 PM (B/VB5)
Plus if given a chance to explain, the lie dies right there.
Posted by: Red Shirt at October 04, 2012 10:29 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Havedash at October 04, 2012 10:29 AM (F0WNa)
Sounds like they got the two-fer.
Posted by: docj at October 04, 2012 10:29 AM (Xgd4J)
Posted by: Dax at October 04, 2012 10:29 AM (wUl8r)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2012 10:30 AM (66Ung)
powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/10/two-ads-a-sign-and-a-t-shirt.php
Go ahead Obumbles. Make his day.
Posted by: CUS at October 04, 2012 10:30 AM (84pE9)
Posted by: tasker at October 04, 2012 10:30 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: LASue at October 04, 2012 10:31 AM (wAhNv)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 04, 2012 10:31 AM (136wp)
Posted by: CUS at October 04, 2012 10:31 AM (84pE9)
A real estate agent explained it to me once. When people come back to look at your 'for sale' house a second time, they aren't looking for a reason to buy it. They're looking for reasons not to.
I'm not sure how true that is. In 2008 the debates went from 52.4 million viewers for the first to 63 million for the 2nd. Maybe those people were looking for a reason to vote against Obama but the increased viewership didn't seem to hurt him.
Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at October 04, 2012 10:31 AM (hnfNE)
Posted by: bad movie at October 04, 2012 10:31 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: slatz at October 04, 2012 10:31 AM (mE0Rl)
#92.
Biden is much more of a pitbull than Obama. Doesn't care much if what he says is true as long as he says it with conviction.
"They gonna put you'al back in chains!!!!!!"
Posted by: Wisrich at October 04, 2012 10:31 AM (hdpay)
Posted by: Long Island at October 04, 2012 10:31 AM (kzp9t)
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 04, 2012 10:31 AM (UZQM8)
I'm going with a new nic in honor of the new Terminator version of the Rom-bot.
This will be a crushing victory from commanding heights. Obama's going to get all wee-wee'd up and come out spazzing the next debate. Fast & Furious and the Bengazi embassy are going to throw him off his stride, and instead of filibustering, Obama will be a giant ball of sputtering, prissy hysterics. His medication dose is not going to be adjusted correctly by then, and BO might well come off the rails.
Well, done Mormon. Mitt Mitt's constant, religiously-imposed sobriety is paying off big. Much to my surprise. It actually made him more relaxede and human out there, instead of wooden.
Posted by: tod von oben at October 04, 2012 10:31 AM (UaxA0)
Why do you think Obama agreed to 3 debates? I wonder if he is second guessing this, too.
Posted by: Bitter, Clingy and Buried in PA at October 04, 2012 10:32 AM (encrR)
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2012 02:26 PM (B/VB5)
Iowahawk said it like this: “It doesn’t occur to bubble-dwellers that Obama avoided Romney’s ’47%’ comment because it was a winner with normal human beings.”
Posted by: huerfano at October 04, 2012 10:32 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: slatz at October 04, 2012 02:31 PM (mE0Rl
His only problem will be that he has to talk.
Posted by: Roy at October 04, 2012 10:32 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 04, 2012 10:33 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Dax at October 04, 2012 10:33 AM (wUl8r)
Posted by: Obama at October 04, 2012 10:33 AM (cqZXM)
The same insiders are the ones that were trashing Mitt Romney these last few weeks.
They're also the ones that nominated him.
They turned on McCain too.
It's how they show how awesomely brilliant they are, or something. Really, they all would have preferred Huntsman.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2012 02:23 PM (QKKT0)
They do not want a Republican to win. The winner might affect their cushy little job. They would rather snipe and snark. Cynicism is the easiest position to take, and you are never wrong. Winners are leaders and take sometimes controversial positions. It is better for them to be cynical snarky losers.
Posted by: rd does not belive the MFM at October 04, 2012 10:33 AM (9sUlj)
Posted by: The Chair at October 04, 2012 10:33 AM (1Y+hH)
Maybe the debates are now the equivalent of gladiator games.
/you gonna finish those fried peacock noses?
Posted by: uterus cannon at October 04, 2012 10:33 AM (3ZtZW)
It's too early for the mutual dick sucking. You know the expectations for the VP debate are rock-bottom now so if Slow Joe gets anything resembling a zinger in the MSM will declare him a winner. Plus there are two more presidential debates and plenty of time for a macaca moment. So, let's put down the schlongs and concentrate.
[doffs eeyore hat]
Posted by: joncelli at October 04, 2012 10:34 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Joe at October 04, 2012 10:34 AM (R+4RJ)
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That's the 'Smirk' Ad.
Thanks...I hadn't seen that yet....I love it!
Fuckin Youtube.
It says...304 Views.
But then, there are '1,811 Likes, 147 dislikes'....and 817 Comments.
Which indicates that there have been a helluva lot more Views, than 304.
Posted by: wheatie at October 04, 2012 10:34 AM (l5RhJ)
Went by the RR HQ here in Roanoke again today to try to get a yard sign. They are out, again. Cars were streaming into the parking lot the whole time I was there trying to pick up signs. The kid at the HQ said they got some in the other day, and people poured in this morning to pick them up.
While at lunch, I saw a friend of my sister who was eating lunch with her husband. I talked to them for a while and her husband said that yesterday he was voting against Obama, now he is voting for Romney.
Romney made the sale last night. The election is over.
Posted by: MrCaniac at October 04, 2012 10:34 AM (Zd/NW)
Um, ok?
Do they really think Biden is as good as Cheney?
Oh, they do?
Excellent.
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 04, 2012 10:34 AM (imtbm)
HAHAHAHAH!
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 04, 2012 10:34 AM (vY2x+)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at October 04, 2012 10:35 AM (pmsMR)
Posted by: Serious Cat at October 04, 2012 10:35 AM (gznAu)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 04, 2012 10:35 AM (pLTLS)
Our expectations of Biden's performance is rock-bottom. But the Leftists honestly think he'll kick Ryan's ass.
The fuckers are pyromaniacs in a field of strawmen. And facts are their Kryptonite.
Posted by: Al at October 04, 2012 10:36 AM (MzQOZ)
FNC: 10,421,380 total viewers, 2,932,907 adults 25-54
CNN: 6,045,109 total viewers, 2,368,589 adults 25-54
MSNBC: 4,710,511 total viewers, 1,852,629 adults 25-54
ha ha ha ha... FAUX NEWS!!! nearly had the ratings of CNN and MSNBC combined
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 04, 2012 10:36 AM (SY2Kh)
I don't think Ryan/Biden will be a blowout. Biden is more experienced and has a better work ethic when it comes to preparation.Posted by: slatz
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Riiight.
*Rubs hands together gleefully*
Posted by: The Chair at October 04, 2012 10:37 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: JDTAY at October 04, 2012 10:37 AM (a0nis)
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 04, 2012 10:37 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Joe at October 04, 2012 10:37 AM (R+4RJ)
Posted by: Red Shirt at October 04, 2012 10:37 AM (FIDMq)
Speaking of Spanish language television, how has Obama been handling the foreign policy with our neighbor to the south, Mexico? I mean other than launching an operation that intentionally supplyied high-powered weapons to the drug cartels so they could be found at the scenes of mass murders. And not bothering to inform the Mexican government that he was going to be doing so.
Which brings us to our relationship with our neighbors to the north. Do we count that cancellation of the Keystone Pipeline among Obama's foreign policy brilliancies or not? Not that it's working out all the bad for Canada, since China (for now) is happy to buy all that oil that I guess America doesn't need.
Posted by: OCBill at October 04, 2012 10:37 AM (YJvVE)
Posted by: tasker at October 04, 2012 10:38 AM (r2PLg)
[doffs eeyore hat]
There's plenty of time for that next week.
But now? It's gloatin' time!
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 04, 2012 10:39 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2012 10:39 AM (B/VB5)
Can we put the VP candidates in singlets a la American Gladiators?
(The Assault Course has crossbows. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_Gladiators_events)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 04, 2012 10:39 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at October 04, 2012 10:40 AM (48wze)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 04, 2012 10:40 AM (jucos)
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Posted by: Adam at October 04, 2012 10:41 AM (/YJYi)
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 04, 2012 10:41 AM (UZQM8)
Normally I would doubt that the totality of Mitt's domination last night would translate quite the same through an interpreter, but thanks to Barry's absolutely abhorrent body language and his girlish posture behind the podium I think it probably did in this case.
Is it possible that the World's Greatest Orator never took a single speech class in high school? Eye contact, posture... this is 101-level stuff. I honestly believe I could have done better than him with zero prep.
Posted by: Killface at October 04, 2012 10:41 AM (R8kIj)
Biden's fast-ball, if it can be called that, is clocking in the low-80's on a good day and he's been fielding nothing but a steady diet of softballs from Barry's rump-swab brigades since Ofail put him on the ticket (over 4-years ago).
Ryan cut his teeth in what used to be a deep-blue state (WI) and has been doing the hostile media circuit for the last 2-years defending (quite deftly) the GOP budget since he became Chair of that committee in Jan 2011.
Yeah, I like Ryan's chances to turn Slo Joe into a muttering pile of drooling mush within 35-minutes, "Moderator" slant be damned.
Posted by: docj at October 04, 2012 10:41 AM (Xgd4J)
Posted by: thunderb a conservative jew at October 04, 2012 10:42 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Putin at October 04, 2012 10:42 AM (oSFWF)
Posted by: Joe at October 04, 2012 10:42 AM (R+4RJ)
Posted by: not the mama at October 04, 2012 10:43 AM (kzCIn)
Biden would be lucky to get through the debate without accidentally endorsing Romney. Or pooping himself.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 04, 2012 10:43 AM (SY2Kh)
heh.
heh heh heh
BWAHAHAHAHAH!
Now the bar has been set. Hopefully to see the veep debate as well. As far as the new tone after this debate, so Axel turf wants cover. Go ahead media, give it to him! DO IT! I DARE YOU! Make it obvious after a handy shellacking you have to debate FOR Obama. Attack Romney openly in the debates. Make him into a sympathetic underdog, whom after proving himself a credible threat to your king, is attacked by you. GO AHEAD, AFTER HE'S ALREADY PROVEN HE'S COMPETENT AND HAS THE ANSWERS, MAKE HIM SYMPATHETIC TOO!!!! The nice side effect of washing almost all of your remaining credibility down the drain will be just icing on the cake. DO IT!!!
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular! With Full Stomping Power! at October 04, 2012 10:43 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Barry OLiar at October 04, 2012 10:43 AM (wIgpo)
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 04, 2012 10:44 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2012 02:39 PM (B/VB5)
I like pie.
Posted by: Joe Biden, original thinker at October 04, 2012 10:44 AM (bAGA/)
Biden is a more natural speaker. He's also shameless. He'll say anything if he thinks it sounds good at the moment, helpful, harmful, truthful, or outright lie.
So you'll see Biden slinging an hour of avuncular bafflegab, and he'll sound just fine and the press will go away calling it a draw (at worst), and it'll be a week before any of them bother to figure out that it was mostly bullshit.
Posted by: JEM at October 04, 2012 10:44 AM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Blamestream® Media at October 04, 2012 10:44 AM (o6M9y)
Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at October 04, 2012 10:44 AM (he2LC)
Posted by: Craig Poe at October 04, 2012 10:45 AM (BVkEs)
We must be economic patriots and everybody contribute the fare share to help the cuntry at large.
Mary, Mitt Romney donated over $4 million to charity last year. Did YOU dontate $4 million to charity in 2011?
Posted by: fluffy at October 04, 2012 10:45 AM (3SvjA)
Posted by: thunderb a conservative jew at October 04, 2012 02:42 PM (Dnbau)
Where's AtC? I found a pic that encapsulates Romney in last night's debate.....
http://tinyurl.com/8f7s623
Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2012 10:45 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Soona at October 04, 2012 10:45 AM (FlsxS)
You know what I'd love? If Ryan were to walk out on stage for the VP debate to the tune of "Gangnam Style."
"Oppa Gangnam style..."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 04, 2012 10:45 AM (4df7R)
@165 YEP! They got to see the real Mitt, and the real Obama ... hopefully more will watch on intertubes as well, since no part of it is bad for us ...
Turnaround artist looking pretty good right now ...
Posted by: Joe at October 04, 2012 10:46 AM (R+4RJ)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 04, 2012 10:46 AM (jUytm)
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First regulation to get rid of? The stupid regionalization of gasoline blends. Now you have one refinery slacking for whatever reason, they cannot just ship gasoline from another region. CA is boned.
Posted by: CUS at October 04, 2012 10:47 AM (84pE9)
Posted by: not the mama at October 04, 2012 02:43 PM (kzCIn)
I figured it was because they're both from Massachusetts (at least politically), and so Kerry would, for some unknown reason, have some idea of what Romney is like in a debate. I don't know WHY that would be, but these are regressives we're talking about; not the brightest fish in the tree.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 04, 2012 10:47 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 04, 2012 10:47 AM (9otrl)
Posted by: Jean at October 04, 2012 10:47 AM (OfinX)
I believe.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, unbanned, ready to get this done at October 04, 2012 10:47 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 04, 2012 10:47 AM (jucos)
John Kerry, who made his money by marrying widows with a trust fund, never made a dime in the private sector, never had a real job, but he knows how Mitt Romney thinks.
John Forbes Kerry, creme de la creme: Rich 'n' thick.
Posted by: fluffy at October 04, 2012 10:47 AM (3SvjA)
>>>They picked Kerry because someone had the idea that Kerry knew how Mitt Romney thinks.
I figured it had something to do with tax evasion. And Geithner was busy.
Posted by: Roy at October 04, 2012 10:48 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: rockmom at October 04, 2012 10:48 AM (aBlZ1)
They probably figured "eh, you meet one Masshole, you've met them all." Which I guess I would normally agree with.
Posted by: Killface at October 04, 2012 10:48 AM (R8kIj)
"Oppa Gangnam style..."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at October 04, 2012 02:45 PM (4df7R)
....sexy laaaaaaady......
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2012 10:48 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 04, 2012 10:48 AM (UZQM8)
Surprise! The New York Times says Obama lost because he was...too nice.
"Some of the weaknesses in the presidentÂ’s performance were simply part of his approach to debates, which is to shy away from highly personal confrontations."
Which is to say, his rise in politics relied on personal attacks (leaking the sealed divorce papers of his GOP Senate opponent, etc.) but he doesn't have the balls to do it himself.
Posted by: CJ at October 04, 2012 10:48 AM (9KqcB)
What is best in life:
Crush my enemies, drive them before me.
and hear the lamentation of the Matthews.
_
Posted by: Paul Ryan at October 04, 2012 10:48 AM (RuUvx)
Posted by: Craig Poe at October 04, 2012 10:49 AM (BVkEs)
http://www.sfgate.com /news/article/Abortion-rights-yacht-sails-around-Moroccan-port-3918734.php
Posted by: JEM at October 04, 2012 10:49 AM (o+SC1)
"Oppa Gangnam style..."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at October 04, 2012 02:45 PM (4df7R)
....sexy laaaaaaady......
I still do not get Gangnam Style.
Posted by: EC at October 04, 2012 10:49 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: PaleRider at October 04, 2012 10:49 AM (dkExz)
So Mitt Romney was preparing against thing Obama was really probably going to say.
Obama, on the other hand, believes the caricature they've built of Romney is the real thing- so he prepared against that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 04, 2012 10:49 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2012 02:48 PM (da5Wo)
HEE.
Then he could strip off his shirt and start riding an invisible pony across the stage.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 04, 2012 10:49 AM (4df7R)
Hubris.
Posted by: not the mama at October 04, 2012 10:49 AM (kzCIn)
Posted by: Jean at October 04, 2012 10:49 AM (OfinX)
Posted by: MikeinAmman at October 04, 2012 10:49 AM (Ik19s)
Posted by: Joe at October 04, 2012 02:42 PM (R+4RJ)
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Biden was Baraka's bullet shield.
Posted by: Soona at October 04, 2012 10:50 AM (FlsxS)
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 04, 2012 10:50 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 04, 2012 10:50 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 04, 2012 10:50 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: thunderb a conservative jew at October 04, 2012 10:51 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 04, 2012 10:51 AM (jucos)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at October 04, 2012 02:49 PM (4df7R)
Yeah, but then Biden would prob strip his off. You really want that?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2012 10:51 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 04, 2012 10:51 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: tasker at October 04, 2012 10:51 AM (r2PLg)
Is it possible that the World's Greatest Orator never took a single speech class in high school?
Clearly, he did Original Oratory, never L-D, C-X, or Extemp ... he can only perform a set piece. Obviously not a quick or deep thinker ...
Posted by: Joe at October 04, 2012 10:52 AM (R+4RJ)
http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=pXJ4Dk33cCQ&feature= player_embedded#!
Biden isn't really all that bad.
Posted by: tod von oben at October 04, 2012 10:52 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2012 02:51 PM (da5Wo)
Oh, sure. Tread on my dreams why don't you.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 04, 2012 10:52 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: JEM
Biden's also an asshole. He'll probably actually get in a zinger or two.
Posted by: Dang© at October 04, 2012 10:52 AM (R18D0)
Posted by: tasker at October 04, 2012 10:53 AM (r2PLg)
How Gangnam Style is a "thing".
I understand that Gangnam province in South Korea is sort of wealthy area, kind of like Orange County, and that Psy is flexing the opulence and such. I don't know. I guess I don't see the popularity.
Youngins.....
Posted by: EC at October 04, 2012 10:53 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: thunderb a conservative jew at October 04, 2012 10:53 AM (Dnbau)
"Oppa Gangnam style..."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at October 04, 2012 02:45 PM (4df7R)
I think they should turn the VP debate into a wet T-shirt contest. This would make good background music.
Posted by: not the mama at October 04, 2012 10:53 AM (kzCIn)
went and served his time in the DMZ.
A lot of Korean boy toys get waivers.
He went in the middle of his singing career came back after doing his tour and --now this.
World wide.
Posted by: tasker at October 04, 2012 02:51 PM (r2PLg)
I don't know how many of them get waivers. Most of my favorite kpop and k-actors end up taking their 2-3 years out of the spotlight to serve. Of course, in what respect they serve is another matter. I don't know how many of them are out there on the front lines with a gun.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 04, 2012 10:53 AM (4df7R)
went and served his time in the DMZ.
A lot of Korean boy toys get waivers.
He went in the middle of his singing career came back after doing his tour and --now this.
Respect.
* thumps chest *
Posted by: EC at October 04, 2012 10:54 AM (GQ8sn)
#179 Exactly. My only hope is that Biden cannot resist the urge to pat Ryan on the head and make him look like a little boy. He was restrained against Sarah Palin because he was so concered about looking sexist against her. He won't feel the need for any restraint against Ryan.
Ryan wins IMO if he can say one thing: Tim Geithner came before my Committee in Congress, and said, "We don't have a plan. We just don't like your plan." It's the truth, and it's devastating. Very few voters know it happened.
Posted by: rockmom at October 04, 2012 10:54 AM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at October 04, 2012 02:40 PM (48wze)
What is this, Glenn Quagmire's bus trip?
Posted by: Killface at October 04, 2012 10:55 AM (R8kIj)
213 Debka mentioned sometime back there would soon be a MB showdown in Jordan.
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 04, 2012 10:55 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: thunderb a conservative jew at October 04, 2012 10:55 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at October 04, 2012 02:52 PM (4df7R)
Well, you're just all emotional and irrational anyway. I figure this will give you more time to convince your intellectually inferior sisters to vote Romney.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2012 10:55 AM (da5Wo)
Biden suffers from chronic loggoreah. He'll babble and meander and forget what point he's trying to make. Then it'll be time for Ryan's response, which will be crisp, clear and to the point.
Advantage: Ryan.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 04, 2012 10:56 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, what did huma abedin know at October 04, 2012 10:57 AM (j1z2L)
Posted by: Joe at October 04, 2012 10:58 AM (R+4RJ)
Posted by: EC at October 04, 2012 02:55 PM (GQ8sn)
Yes. Yes I do.
In case my flailing about it in one of the ONT's earlier this week didn't prove it. *cackle*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 04, 2012 10:58 AM (4df7R)
I understand that Gangnam province in South Korea is sort of wealthy area, kind of like Orange County, and that Psy is flexing the opulence and such. I don't know. I guess I don't see the popularity.
Youngins.....
Posted by: EC at October 04, 2012 02:53 PM (GQ8sn)
I don't think many people outside South Korea think about the social geography of Gangnam at all. To most people outside South Korea, Gangnam Style is about the singer and how he behaves in the video, not the region. It's just a fun song and video.
Posted by: not the mama at October 04, 2012 10:58 AM (kzCIn)
Yeah, I saw it. Nice eye candy. And yes, he looks hilarious like he's at a rodeo or something.
Read the lyrics on lyrics.com.
My Korean, sadly, has diminished over the years and I can barely understand conversational, much less reading it.
Posted by: EC at October 04, 2012 10:58 AM (GQ8sn)
There is no way this number is good for Obama, regardless of their reasoning.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 04, 2012 10:58 AM (N87Ah)
I understand that Gangnam province in South Korea is sort of wealthy area, kind of like Orange County, and that Psy is flexing the opulence and such. I don't know. I guess I don't see the popularity.
Youngins.....
Posted by: EC at October 04, 2012 02:53 PM (GQ8sn)
Eh, not really any different than "Beverly Hills" by Weezer
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2012 10:58 AM (da5Wo)
Well, you're just all emotional and irrational anyway. I figure this will give you more time to convince your intellectually inferior sisters to vote Romney.
lol!
brb, lookin' for Ashley Wilkes.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 04, 2012 10:58 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: thunderb a conservative jew at October 04, 2012 10:59 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 04, 2012 11:00 AM (GvYeG)
The line I wrote down from Paul Ryan's speech at the RNC would be appropriate under the photo of the dejected Obama's (for you photoshop experts):
"Borrowed...Spent & Wasted"
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, unbanned, ready to get this done at October 04, 2012 11:00 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: thunderb a conservative jew at October 04, 2012 11:01 AM (Dnbau)
Wait, mary is serious troll or just fucking around? Cause her comments are so dumb the sarcasm was seeping through my screen.
Mary is a sock-troll. I just wanted to get that out there, asking lefties just why they didn't give $4 mil to charity.
Posted by: fluffy at October 04, 2012 11:02 AM (3SvjA)
Posted by: thunderb a conservative jew at October 04, 2012 11:03 AM (Dnbau)
I'm laughing at some of you worried about the Ryan/Biden debate. Y'all were making somewhat the same projections leading up to last night's debate.
When the facts are on your side, you win. People know when the truth bell has been rung, especially after the dismal performance of the WH crew the last four years.
Plus, Ryan is just fucking smarter than Biden. Al Greene is fucking smarter than Biden.
Posted by: Soona at October 04, 2012 11:03 AM (FlsxS)
It's like "A Day Without Mexicans" on the freeways.
Posted by: EC at October 04, 2012 11:04 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Jean at October 04, 2012 11:04 AM (ICwOo)
Posted by: B-Rock at October 04, 2012 11:04 AM (R8kIj)
Posted by: EC at October 04, 2012 02:49 PM (GQ8sn)
1. Go look at the video on You Tube. It is hilarious.
2. Read the lyrics on lyrics.com. Says stuff like, "I don't have big biceps but I have big brains" and how he is a tiger after working at his office job all day. Could be a moron anthem for some
Posted by: thunderb a conservative jew at October 04, 2012 02:55 PM (Dnbau)
Check out this version.
Gorilla - Gangnam Style Featuring Ricky Martin
Posted by: buzzion - Free Kratos at October 04, 2012 11:06 AM (GULKT)
Expectations are so low for Biden that he might actually do well....at least the media will spin it as a Biden win.
Ryan should just start working math problems during the debate. Biden couldn't figure out 2+2.
Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 04, 2012 11:07 AM (/1iUO)
Posted by: MrCaniac at October 04, 2012 11:07 AM (Zd/NW)
@209 Allen G - dead on accurate - it's obvious he is completely married to his ideology, hates Rs with a passion, and cannot even conceive of the arguments against his "assertions" - like he never got passed soph level poli sci and no econ at all ...
The cult of the left are true believers, any who do not go along clearly have something wrong with them, and, are lying by their mere existance ...
The future does not belong to those who stand in the way of progress, such as he defines it ...
Posted by: Joe at October 04, 2012 11:13 AM (R+4RJ)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 04, 2012 11:17 AM (YjDyJ)
They picked Kerry because someone had the idea that Kerry knew how Mitt Romney thinks.
John Kerry, who made his money by marrying widows with a trust fund, never made a dime in the private sector, never had a real job, but he knows how Mitt Romney thinks.
Posted by: soothsayer at October 04, 2012 02:46 PM (jUytm)
Because the Democrat party and its operatives are racist.
Kerry like Romney is rich.
And since these cocksuckers prey on segregating and dividing and characiturizing every group to its simplistic variables...
The Rich like the Blacks the hispanics the jews the fill in the blank are all the same and you cant tell the difference between one or another of them.
If Obama was debating a Gigalo, then Kerry would have been a well thought out and reasonable pick.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 04, 2012 11:17 AM (ovpNn)
"Remember in 2008, how Obama captured the imagination of so many? And so many tuned in because of the unprecedentedness of it all?"
Too bad Juan McLame didn't "tune in". OTOH, he might have turned out nearly as bad as Obama. We might now be facing an election where OUR guy was unelectable, but that truth would be all over the media.
Posted by: sherlock at October 04, 2012 11:18 AM (Dxb1S)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 04, 2012 11:19 AM (YjDyJ)
"They fought and scrapped the whole 6+ months to just get enough delegates for the nomination."
Ghoul that I am, I tuned into MSNBC after the debacle and heard several mentions of how the Republicans "scrapped" and were "rowdy" during their primaries, like that was a terrible thing. Same crap coming out of NPR this morning - noting that since the crowd was supposed to be silent, "it wasn't at all like the Republican primaries".
Bet more than a few Donks are wishing they could have had a scrappy primary instead of a naked-emperor coronation.
Posted by: sherlock at October 04, 2012 11:26 AM (Dxb1S)
Too bad Juan McLame didn't "tune in". OTOH, he might have turned out nearly as bad as Obama. Wemight now be facing an election where OUR guy was unelectable, but that truth would be all over the media.
Posted by: sherlock at October 04, 2012 03:18 PM (Dxb1S)
Look, Lets be honest. THe last four years have been an unmitigated Disaster.
However...if McLameass had won, it wouldnt have been a phenomenol last 4 years cause that mother fucker was Obama Lite, and right now we would be staring down the double barrels of the prospect of President Hillary Cankles in 3 months.
While Obama has cause significant damage to the country, the disaster that has been his presidency may just be what the country needed to put itself back on the right path...much like Carter led to Reagan, and yes even thought i never cared for Mitt much, last night convinced me that this man could be the next reagan.
I rewatched the speech last night and at points i was working and just listening and there were moments where it almost sounded like the Gipper talking.
Hold his feet to the fire and we may make him a great president.
But I now believe Ann when she says This man will not fail. WHat he did last night was a masterclass performance.
One way or another on Nov 6 America will get exactly what she deserves.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 04, 2012 11:29 AM (ovpNn)
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Posted by: Doug at October 04, 2012 11:46 AM (GSfWX)
Posted by: steevy at October 04, 2012 12:20 PM (6o4Fb)
Ryan vs. Biden.
That will be like watching someone hunt a dairy cow with a high powered rifle.
"Slow Joe" takes on a grown up version of Eddie Munster--assuming Eddie graduated college, learned how to balance national budgets, and mastered that martial art the name of which I can never remember, but it's the one where every encounter ends with somebody getting his arm broken. You know. That Eddie.
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