March 23, 2012
— Ace Today, at 12 pm local time (time varies by city), the 59% are demanding freedom.
The Coalition to Stop the HHS Mandate, which is being coordinated by the Illinois-based Pro-Life Action League; and includes multiple pro-life, social conservative, and religious groups, including Human Life International, The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, the Alliance Defense Fund, and Priests for Life; have organized the "Stand Up For Religious Freedom" rallies "in defense of religious freedom and STAND UP against the Obama administration's HHS mandate at federal building in cities across the country."
Newsbusters asks if the media will cover the protests, noting, of course, they couldn't wait to cover Occupy (and before that, the "Coffee Party" that took this nation by storm, much like Air America).
I think we already know the answer.
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Posted by: toby928© feels pessimistic at March 23, 2012 08:46 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Lord Barky's MSM at March 23, 2012 08:47 AM (4GgJq)
Again, if there is no interstate market in insurance, why is it subject to federal regulation?
Because shut the fuck up that's why.
Posted by: Barack Obama at March 23, 2012 08:48 AM (NOwGM)
Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at March 23, 2012 08:48 AM (g9neE)
Who? What?
Look Romney said something stupid!!!! OMGZ!!! Roll it all NIGHT!!!
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 08:48 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 23, 2012 08:48 AM (Af3Wg)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 08:49 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 12:46 PM (MMC8r)
Early contender for thread winner, as usual from nickless. But allow me to answer you: If you don't buy insurance, then it's going to cost mroe for someone else, and it's impossible to kno what state that other person is in. So, not buying something has a greater impact on interstate commerce than buying something might have.
I think this argument was actually used by some female federal judge from a dairy state last year to uphold obamacare.
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 08:51 AM (I2LwF)
I'll be there to pass out some Obama nail polish. If you don't take it with a smile, I will throw buckets of my accumulated feces on you.
Because I represent the 99%.
Posted by: Occupooper at March 23, 2012 08:51 AM (xvtYZ)
Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 08:51 AM (/Mla1)
Ace:
Not to tell you how to do your job, but you can't hide from this looming ' ; text-decoration: underline;">IF I HAD A SON, HE'D LOOK LIKE TRAYVON' disaster.
I realize that the thought of this race stuff makes you Squishy-Cons all, well, squishy, but Axelrod and Soros are planning a race war for our immediate future, and you can't just stick your head in the sand and thrust your posterior in the air on this one.
Or can you?!?
Posted by: Barney Frank at March 23, 2012 08:52 AM (F5Rm1)
And we have terrible communication. If they'd let people know in some concerted way (and it would take effort, and they'd have to deign to post on some "second tier" blogs) that it was going on, some more might have been able to attend.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 08:52 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Bosk at March 23, 2012 08:52 AM (n2K+4)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2012 08:52 AM (mSAq8)
Posted by: The MBM at March 23, 2012 08:53 AM (/ZZCn)
I want to be at the DC protest on Saturday. And Sunday. And Monday. But these things cost money. Even though my current job is job-hunting, and therefore has very flexible hours, I still don't have the 2 grand it would cost me to go to DC and camp out for a week.
It cost me about $350 to go to DC for 20 hours during the Obamacare debate. It wouldn't be cheaper this time; I'd have to bring my wife.
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 08:53 AM (I2LwF)
Geez. I think I even remember that.
Even reading that makes me feel dirty. And dumber.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 08:53 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: dib at March 23, 2012 08:54 AM (aRwtY)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2012 08:55 AM (mSAq8)
I was filling up my bath tub (we have well water) because storms are moving through my area, when my dog started choking (12 year old Samoyed) so I ask my daughter to turn the water off.
Well, she didn't and I now have water all over my bathroom and it leaked gallons and gallons of it down into my garage. All over all of our storage stuff.
I'm just waiting for the tub (huge whirlpool) to crash through the floor before cleaning up the mess in the garage
.Posted by: momma at March 23, 2012 08:56 AM (oKsWl)
Irealize thatthe thought of this race stuffmakes you Squishy-Cons all, well,squishy, but Axelrod and Soros are planning a race war for our immediate future, and you can't just stick your head in the sand and thrust your posterior in the air on this one.
Or can you?!?
Shut up, we know. What's the point in talking about something that's so obvious? Ace also didn't tell us that air exists. But that doesn't mean he's hiding from the fact.
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 08:56 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Barney Frank at March 23, 2012 12:52 PM (F5Rm1)
Dude, you've got to be a troll.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 08:56 AM (RD7QR)
It is actual opinion of the Supreme Court. The landmark case that expanded power of the commerce clause beyond reason stipulated that goods produced (on a farm) for private consumption on the farm, and so never entered into commerce, were still subject to the interstate commerce clause because having grown such produce eliminated the need to buy said produce and therefore *affected* interstate commerce, and so the original activity of growing your own food such that you did not have to buy it could be regulated under the commerce clause.
That is the current guiding opinion of the Supreme Court. And if they don't walk that back some, Obamacare *is* Constitutional.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 08:56 AM (0q2P7)
Yeah, we're all busy suffering through movie reviews on political blogs. Imagine that?
Posted by: Obama Made Me A Racist at March 23, 2012 08:57 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Mr Pink at March 23, 2012 08:58 AM (ZvMnN)
If only there were some kind of internet service where anyone could let the world benefit from reading their opinions, for free. It would have to be large though, on the order of a Google corporation.
Posted by: blogspot.com at March 23, 2012 08:58 AM (GTbGH)
Obviously we need giant papier mache puppets heads. It's not a true protest until the puppet heads show up.
Also I saw a link at Insty about Maher flapping his pie hole about Sunday being some kind of amnesty from taking offense day. Tell you what, Raglefant, you go first and then we'll talk.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 08:58 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 08:59 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Knucklehead id at March 23, 2012 08:59 AM (hFrDa)
Newsbusters asks if the media will cover the protests, noting, of course, they couldn't wait to cover Occupy (and before that, the "Coffee Party" that took this nation by storm, much like Air America).
But the MFM'll be out with bells on to cover Atheist Woodstock on the Mall tomorrow.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2012 08:59 AM (XCHGh)
Or can you?!?
Posted by: Barney Frank at March 23, 2012 12:52 PM (F5Rm1)
Yes, because I'm sure it's a big conspiracy with Ace trying to bury the story, and not that he just hasn't got to it yet.
Posted by: Heralder at March 23, 2012 08:59 AM (/Mxso)
17 I suppose that if this is upheld, next will come the mandate that all households put up a velvet painting of the Turd-in-Chief in their living room.
No, silly. You must have my brand on your butt, in order to receive health care.
It can be a tatoo. Or it can be put on your ass with a branding iron. Your choice. .....Now, you can't say that I didn't give you any choices.
Posted by: Lord Barky at March 23, 2012 08:59 AM (4GgJq)
Not so. ObamaCare is a step yet further, so they could strike down OCare w/o walking back that old opinion. Remember that- by US Congressional action back in the day- there is no interstate market for Health Insurance. You cannot obtain Health Insurance across state lines.
Therefore, Health Insurance cannot (logically) be regulated as "Interstate Commerce."
Now, I hope that SCOTUS will take the opportunity to walk back so much of that Commerce crap that's happened in the last 70 years or so, but they won't. So I'll settle for them striking down OCare.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 08:59 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: blogspot.com at March 23, 2012 09:00 AM (GTbGH)
Freedom to get reamed by insurance companies and providers, you mean?
In what fucking universe does removing competition make things cheaper? If it were so, then the USSR would have buried us and not the other way around.
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 09:01 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: And Irresolute at March 23, 2012 09:01 AM (RC3M9)
Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 09:02 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: blogspot.com at March 23, 2012 01:00 PM (GTbGH)
ergie does the morning early afternoon shift raykon is late afternoon evening shift.
Posted by: YIKES! at March 23, 2012 09:03 AM (M+UUq)
Forget it , Barney.
There's a reason Sharpton and hi evil allies take advantage of tragedies that can be twisted to allege a racial motivation. And a reason Obama leaps feet first onto the train.
Race-related discussion is Squishy Con kryptonite . And they (Unreverent Al inc.) know it.
Posted by: reality check at March 23, 2012 09:03 AM (Zw/H7)
Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 09:04 AM (WkuV6)
The OWS turds are planning a counter-protest. So, protesting religious liberty falls under the purview of OWS, apparently.
Posted by: clp at March 23, 2012 09:04 AM (SJC5V)
Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 23, 2012 09:06 AM (kqqGm)
I am not sure that....what does that mean exactly....but logically....
Huh?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 23, 2012 09:06 AM (nEUpB)
Or can you?!?
Hey listen stormfront Ahole. A race war might be incited by the left it may not. I do not think the chance is 100% definite. We can try to avoid it by not fanning an us against them attitude that you seem so willing to buy into. It's almost like your waiting for it, wanting it, dreaming about it, needing to get others on board with you.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 09:06 AM (0q2P7)
The OWS turds are planning a counter-protest. So, protesting religious liberty falls under the purview of OWS, apparently.
Posted by: clp at March 23, 2012 01:04 PM (SJC5V)
Maybe this got more play in Catholic circles than in conservative circles. It still would be good if the two groups would communicate with each other on common interests.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 09:07 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 23, 2012 09:07 AM (u50z0)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 23, 2012 09:07 AM (f8XyF)
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 09:08 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 09:08 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at March 23, 2012 09:08 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 23, 2012 01:07 PM (f8XyF)
lol that's awesome
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 09:09 AM (I2LwF)
I was at the Federal Courthouse in downtown Philly today. (Ironically it's cater-corner to Independence Hall). Saw no protests of any kind, but it was a bit ear;y, about 9:30 this morning.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 23, 2012 09:09 AM (YmPwQ)
Then again, I'm not sure how Catholic Bob Brom is.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 23, 2012 09:10 AM (kqqGm)
Guess the MENSA meeting got out early today. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 23, 2012 09:10 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at March 23, 2012 09:12 AM (MyByM)
Posted by: Barnak the Hurrible at March 23, 2012 09:12 AM (8ieXv)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 09:13 AM (jUytm)
48....What if the NRA had a impeach Holder hour -- pick a random Saturday morning in July, identify on street corner per zipcode, and have 500 riflemen show up and stand quietly for an hour. Do you think the Communists would get the message.
I love this idea. Now that's what I'm talkin about. Please do this. Because then, I will have the perfect excuse to crack down on all you bitter clingers and consfiscate your illegal weapons.
Posted by: Lord Barky at March 23, 2012 09:13 AM (4GgJq)
Posted by: Bosk at March 23, 2012 09:13 AM (n2K+4)
Then again, I'm not sure how Catholic Bob Brom is.
Posted by: John P. Squibob
San Diego County Admin Building
1600 Pacific Highway
Noon to 1pm
Posted by: mpfs at March 23, 2012 09:13 AM (iYbLN)
Therefore, Health Insurance cannot (logically) be regulated as "Interstate Commerce."
They could try that. It would be one of the poorest non sequitur opinions they have ever written. You miss the absolute huge power of the farm opinion. While your decision to buy or not buy health insurance does not directly affect interstate commerce, it most certainly INDIRECTLY affects it because a number of health products DO have interstate markets.
The fact that your health insurance didn't enter into interstate commerce is irrelevant. Just like the fact that the farmers produce never entered into commerce was irrelevant. It affected some product someplace that WAS in interstate commerce.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 09:14 AM (0q2P7)
I'm not saying no-one knows, I'm saying not enough people know. I didn't know about it- a few others have also said this is the first they've heard.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 09:15 AM (8y9MW)
If the president wasn't interested in stirring up a race war, or a riot, or something over thie FL shooting... he could have said, "I don't know what happened. I trust the local and state authorities. Let's let the process work."
Instead he said, "He looks like he could be my son" or something inflammatory like that. Linked himself personally to the shooting victim.
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 09:15 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Caunotaucarius at March 23, 2012 09:15 AM (4XW7X)
Unfortunately, I couldn't go, because we only have one car. I could have driven my husband into work, but that's an extra 70 miles or so on the car when I do so.
Just wear a diaper. That's what I do.
Posted by: Lisa Nowak at March 23, 2012 09:15 AM (NOwGM)
Look at Muslims. Nobody in the media gave a damn about a bunch of bearded goatfuckers. But murder 3,000 people in one morning and suddenly "Islamophobia" is a national crisis!
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 23, 2012 09:17 AM (v9Kjt)
All I know is that it will not end well no matter what the outcome.
Posted by: mpfs at March 23, 2012 09:17 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Susan Roesgen, Formerly of CNN, Now Holding A Squeegee and Spray Bottle on a Freeway Off Ramp at March 23, 2012 09:17 AM (QKKT0)
If the MSM does cover this it will be to expose the violent, racist, homophobic actions of these vicious crowds! God knows that when you get a Methodist or Catholic riled up there is no telling what they'll do!
/s
Posted by: Cheri at March 23, 2012 09:19 AM (G+Wff)
Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 23, 2012 09:19 AM (u50z0)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 09:19 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Saddam at March 23, 2012 09:19 AM (UpwlP)
Incorrect.
There already was an interstate market for produce (wheat, corn, or whatever he was growing. Wheat, I think). So he was "affecting" (by their illogic) the specific market for what he was growing. They weren't saying that his growing wheat affected the interstate market for corn (or, more apt for our illustration: cattle)- they were saying that his growing wheat- and therefore not buying wheat- was affecting the interstate market for wheat.
Applied to HC, there is no interstate market in Health Insurance. Therefore, for them to say Congress can regulate it, they have to tie a specifically intrastate market to a product for which there is an interstate market. Which is not something that couldn't be done, but it is something they haven't done, to date.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 09:20 AM (8y9MW)
Oh, snap. The Rhode Island Stand Up rally is being held in the same park which is occupied by the Occupoopers.
I should bring a camera and some popcorn.
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 09:20 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 09:21 AM (MMC8r)
I will point out that a real "long hot summer" of racial riots and violence will note exactly boost Obama's re-election prospects, so he and his media pals may not want to stoke this particular fire too much. However, they are pretty fucking stupid and may go ahead and do it anyway.
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 23, 2012 09:22 AM (v9Kjt)
This whole shooting thing is not going to end well. Too many peeps putting their reps on the line, goading...
I wonder though. If the sh#t really hits the fan, will anyone blame Sharpton for instigating this? Or even Obama, who should know better than to get involved?
Probably not. But most of us who see what is happening will...
Posted by: HH at March 23, 2012 09:23 AM (KB0hv)
Posted by: Not an OWS protester at March 23, 2012 09:23 AM (2cfUo)
Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 23, 2012 09:23 AM (u50z0)
Well, beyond the fact he may have been getting beaten to a pulp. Other than that, no reason at all.
Could the entire altercation have been avoided? Yes. But once it began, who is responsible? Is it all solely on Zimmerman, or does the "unarmed 19 yr old" bear some responsibility for escalating the situation to physical violence?
My answer to that last question is "I don't know." I suspect you don't, either. Because I doubt either of us know who actually took the confrontation from verbal to physical.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 09:23 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 09:23 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: exceller at March 23, 2012 09:24 AM (jx2Td)
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 09:24 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 09:25 AM (WkuV6)
Since they refused to label anyone, everyone kept getting confused when they'd complain about something.
"Who did X?"
"We said No Labels!"
"Well, yes, but if I don't know who did it, I can't very well hold them accountable, can I?"
"NO! LABELS!"
"Oh. Right. F it, then."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 09:26 AM (8y9MW)
The fact that a similar product was being in interstate commerce. Does not change the fact that the products in question were not in interstate commerce. All affects to interstate commerce were indirect. That is the products in question didn't enter into interstate commerce, but affected products that were in interstate commerce. Similarity of products is not relevant to the discussion.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 09:27 AM (0q2P7)
Also hispanic-black race relations are not the "correct" fire to be stoking (especially because they generally hate each other), so from now on they will only be mentioning the race of the victim. Unlike the initial reports which all referred to the shooter as "white".
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 09:27 AM (Fz7+s)
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 09:27 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 09:27 AM (WkuV6)
>>speaking of the coffee party, whatever happened to the "No Labels" movement? they seem to be keeping a low profile.
Bloomberg banned donations to them because of the salt content.
Posted by: Mama AJ at March 23, 2012 09:27 AM (XdlcF)
Their t-shirt sales were a total bust. Nobody would pay to buy a blank t-shirt.
Posted by: Cicero at March 23, 2012 09:28 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 09:28 AM (HwrJu)
Elizabeth Warren calls the president a monkey.
Posted by: Truman Northat March 23, 2012 01:24 PM (I2LwF)
Where did I put my Yellow Hat?
Posted by: George Soros at March 23, 2012 09:28 AM (NOwGM)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 09:28 AM (jUytm)
Now everyone can tell me how wrong I am and how most religious leaders were out front in protesting the very idea of OCare. I'm sure some were and that others thought OCare would be a boon to the poor somehow.
First they came for the libertarians and I said nothing.
Oh, and here is a Creators.com editorial opinion piece backing my stance up:
http://tinyurl.com/6qxxfm5
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 23, 2012 09:28 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 09:28 AM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2012 09:29 AM (vqJAS)
Posted by: General Beringer at March 23, 2012 09:30 AM (2cfUo)
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 01:28 PM (HwrJu)
If true, did he go to the hospital? And any pics?
Just trying to clear the air.
Posted by: HH at March 23, 2012 09:30 AM (KB0hv)
Posted by: Heralder at March 23, 2012 09:30 AM (/Mxso)
Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 09:31 AM (WkuV6)
102 Those no labels people... imagine what their spice racks must look like
It might be helpful too....to be able to tell the difference between K-Y gel, and toothpaste.
Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 09:31 AM (4GgJq)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 23, 2012 09:32 AM (Ec6wH)
The Left is always setting us up. We can't just go about and shoot everything that moves.
This is one of those times.
Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:28 PM (jUytm)
This, x1000. Part of succeeding is knowing when to invest and when to walk away.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 09:32 AM (RD7QR)
Actually it's just 5 semi-senile black robed lawyers, not 9. THAT's what scares the crap out of me!
Posted by: i'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at March 23, 2012 09:32 AM (TJ8HB)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 09:33 AM (jUytm)
Shut up, he's rolling.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 09:33 AM (Fz7+s)
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 09:34 AM (HwrJu)
Sooth, it's not "keeping your powder dry" (or other cliche) to allow a man to be railroaded for something that may not even have been a crime.
I'm not one for making this a political issue at all, but Zimmerman deserves a fair hearing. From the facts as we understand them, it seems like bad-judgement from both Zimmerman and the kid (whose name I can't remember, shame on me), that took what should have been nothing more than a "Hey, I see someone suspicious" call to 9-1-1 and turned it into a physical altercation ending with one participant getting shot.
That's stupid, but there is not necessarily a crime there. Moreover, the police already investigated once (and let me assure you: they were as aware of the Racial tensions as anyone of us is) and determined that no crime had been committed.
Unsatisfied with a wrongful death civil suit (which I'm virtually certain they would have won) the kid's family decided to make a national issue of it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 09:34 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 09:35 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 23, 2012 01:07 PM (f8XyF)
Always bet on black.
Posted by: Wesley Snipes at March 23, 2012 09:37 AM (1grxW)
Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 09:38 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 09:40 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Burton Guster at March 23, 2012 09:40 AM (HethX)
Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2012 09:40 AM (vqJAS)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at March 23, 2012 09:41 AM (ZPrif)
==everything you said in your first two paragraphs is wrong
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 09:41 AM (Dll6b)
Problem is, none of us know what really happened. NONE of us...
But for people like Sharpton and the Prez to get involved is just idiotic, and possibly starting a forest fire when there was just a smoldering cigarette.
Do they not know? Or do they not care?
Jesus H...
Posted by: HH at March 23, 2012 09:41 AM (KB0hv)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 09:42 AM (Z9EHQ)
Poor Fluke's Love Hovel is yesterday's news.
This one is going to end even worse--as the facts they refuse to repeat are the ones that collaborate his self-defense story. Some black kids are going to do violence upon some white kids over this for "justice" . . . .
Every fucking liberal imagines themselves a modern-day freedom rider swooping down upon the backward racists, saving the poor, oppressed black folk from evil and death. And if they have to invent some racists and ruin some innocents--it's all for the cause (the cause of making liberals feel good about themselves).
Posted by: Jimmuy at March 23, 2012 09:43 AM (BLEio)
Posted by: Havedash at March 23, 2012 09:43 AM (JfvbF)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 23, 2012 09:43 AM (8sCoq)
Team Barky probably has a whole division of people searching through the news stories for "distractions to exploit" .....especially any stories that have a racial element.
So this shooting in Florida is perfect for them. ....They have a teenage martyr now. ....And a story that they could use to demonize the 'Stand Your Ground' laws and gun laws. ....It's perfect.
That's not to say, that the whole thing doesn't stink on several levels. The Zimmerman guy is not someone I would want as our posterboy for why we need to be able to have personal firearms to protect ourselves.
Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 09:43 AM (4GgJq)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 23, 2012 09:43 AM (T0NGe)
EL+OC = troll.
You are an idiot.
Posted by: Obama Made Me A Racist at March 23, 2012 01:37 PM (EL+OC)
No, not really. Perhaps it would be better to say that you have the EFFECT of a troll.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 09:45 AM (RD7QR)
I'm out near West Chester. I think the rally started at noon; I really wanted to go.
Posted by: clp at March 23, 2012 09:45 AM (SJC5V)
1) The only way the police would not have "opened the door for Sharpton and Obama to use Treyvon's corpse for their gain" would have been to proffer charges against Zimmerman- which they apparently felt unjustified. Sorry, if that makes people angry.
2) So people didn't kill each other before weapons were invented? Unarmed does not mean "not dangerous."
You seem awful fast to pin the blame on the police. Yeah, they might have screwed up. My position (as is that of most that I'm seeing) is this: "We don't know. Politicians should keep their noses out of it. Let the cops handle it."
As for Obama's involvement: he was asked a question, and he responded to it. Yes, I think the answer was insipid, but I'm not going to blame him for answering a question, and at least he didn't say, "The police acted stupidly."
"Reverend" Al should just FOADIAF.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 09:45 AM (8y9MW)
THIS FALL ON NBC:
"Sharpton and the Prez"
Appointment television is back!
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 23, 2012 09:46 AM (8sCoq)
But we're all grown ups here who have been around the block a few times and met a dozen Zimmermans in our lifetimes.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Damn straight. I was just reading about one the other day...
http://tinyurl.com/7vu92sv
Posted by: packsoldier at March 23, 2012 09:46 AM (9tLNI)
Posted by: EC at March 23, 2012 09:46 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 09:46 AM (Fz7+s)
Here's a picture of Zimmerman.
Wonder why the MBM isn't showing pics of him?
http://tinyurl.com/6lqd3ne
Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 09:48 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 09:48 AM (Fz7+s)
crown heights wasn't enough? and wth is he actually a fakey journalist on tv.
have we become batshit insane as a society?
Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 09:48 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Alan Grayson at March 23, 2012 09:49 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Jaws at March 23, 2012 09:49 AM (4I3Uo)
>>>Wonder why the MBM isn't showing pics of him?
Rhetorical question of the year nominee right there.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 09:50 AM (0q2P7)
156
Zimmerman's 911 call is quite damning.<<<
That plus your opinion is good enough for me. Begin construction on the gallows immediately.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 23, 2012 09:50 AM (FEqS6)
Posted by: MSNBC staffer at March 23, 2012 09:51 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2012 09:51 AM (vqJAS)
Really?! I am in Fort Worth right now! Downtown. Do you know the location?
Posted by: Riding Through The Desert With A Cat With No Name at March 23, 2012 09:51 AM (3g1YG)
Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 09:52 AM (MMC8r)
I once at a gallow of Edy's in one sitting. Okay, it was more than once, but who's counting!!!
Posted by: Meggy Mac at March 23, 2012 09:52 AM (Fz7+s)
Obama lied. Trayvon died.
Posted by: LIGuy at March 23, 2012 09:52 AM (+usC4)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 09:52 AM (jUytm)
When this case first broke I said then it had the smell of Duke all over it. I said we needed to give it at least a week for the actual facts to come out. It appears that some facts are leaking out now despite the MFM trying to hush it up.
Any time the MFM and Al Shitptom get on their high horse you can almost guarantee a POS set of lies.
What we know:
The MFM shows pictures of the "kid" when he was about 10 y.o. Why is it they always portray the "victim" as an innocent choir boy? We now know he was a 17 y.o gang banger who had been kicked out of school because he was violent. He also had a rap sheet for violent crimes and burglary. And yes that is relevant.
The accused racist Hispanic was a neighborhood watch. It was his job to follow him. It doesn't matter if he was a wanna-be cop. It was his job to follow this kid and keep and eye on him. For all appearances sake the "kid" was casing the homes for burglary.
The kid was beating him when the evil racist shot him. Yes, that meets the definition of self-defense without even invoking the FL stand your ground law.
Lets not get all Duke on this.
Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 09:52 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Ian S. at March 23, 2012 09:53 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: steevy at March 23, 2012 09:53 AM (vd4t0)
F*ing RINO. This clearly calls for drawing and quartering.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 09:54 AM (0q2P7)
Yep. Just because the cops tell you not to follow some one, you can't legally follow that person anymore.
Was he stupid? Yes. Unfortunately stupidity itself is not a crime. He claims self-defense, and the physical evidence (as we know it) supports that claim.
Whoever escalated the altercation from it's hands-off/verbal status to a physical fight is to blame for Trayvon's death. If that's Zimmerman, he should absolutely be charged and convicted (that's going to be hard, since Trayvon isn't around to share his side of the story). If it was Trayvon, then the only burden Zimmerman bears is knowing that his stupidity allowed a situation to begin- which then escalated into someone's death.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 09:54 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 09:54 AM (TomZ9)
Wonder why the MBM isn't showing pics of him?
http://tinyurl.com/6lqd3ne
Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 01:48 PM
If Zimmerman is "white", then so are Bill Richardson, Geraldo Rivera, and Selma Hayek
The timing isn't great for this because as the case gets more attention, sooner or later everyone is going to know what Zimmerman looks like.
Hispanics, especially Mexicans, tend to rally to one of their own right or wrong. The JEF wants this to be settled and gone before the election
Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 09:55 AM (Y+DPZ)
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The 911 dispatcher is not a cop and it was his job to follow him. .
Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 09:55 AM (YdQQY)
Got a link for that? A kid with a bag of skittles beating up a man with a gun doesn't make sense, somehow.
I do agree that there's more backstory to this than we'll know about, though.
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 23, 2012 09:55 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 09:56 AM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 09:56 AM (0q2P7)
Whoever escalated the altercation from it's hands-off/verbal status to a physical fight is to blame for Trayvon's death. If that's Zimmerman, he should absolutely be charged and convicted (that's going to be hard, since Trayvon isn't around to share his side of the story). If it was Trayvon, then the only burden Zimmerman bears is knowing that his stupidity allowed a situation to begin- which then escalated into someone's death.
Now, now, now, that's reasonable and is concerned with actual facts and circumstances. We can't be allowing such nuttiness into our hysteria.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 09:56 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 09:56 AM (Fz7+s)
DIABLO. He should have his genitals cut off and burned in front of him.
Posted by: LIGuy at March 23, 2012 09:57 AM (+usC4)
Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 09:57 AM (TomZ9)
So here is the question. If the person killed was just some white punk kid, none of this would be a headline. None of it.
But since he was black, somehow our post-racial politicians bring this to the fore.
Our Democrats.
In Action...
Posted by: HH at March 23, 2012 09:57 AM (KB0hv)
Absolutely. I think his actual answer was way off base, and it would have been better to say, "I know no more of the facts than you do. Let's let the justice system handle this."
So I'm opposed to his actual answer. I'm not opposed to the fact he gave an answer. If you get the difference.
as for Trayvon It seems like He was not up to anything illegal Or nefarious.
Unless he was beating Zimmerman. That would be both illegal and nefarious.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 09:57 AM (8y9MW)
definition of self-defense without even invoking the FL stand your
ground law.
Lets not get all Duke on this.
Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 01:52 PM (YdQQY)
===thanks, Vic. There is also a witness statement that TrayVoNN was beating the crap out of Z, with Z on his back on the ground, when Z shot him
The Left politicized this, hyper-bloated it, etc to jack up Black voting in Nov and start another run at gun rights and 'Stand your ground' laws, etc
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 09:57 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 09:57 AM (WkuV6)
144 I love how slight Dolph's accent is. I know that's pretty typical of Scandis because the language is similar but it's still a little jarring.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 23, 2012 01:43 PM (T0NGe)
I don't necessarily know if the langauge being "similar" is a reason. As far as I know the language is in no way similar. My wife is a Scandi (Denmark), and I've been slowly picking up Danish. I think one of the reasons is that English is taught in schools from their equivalent of 2nd grade and up. Also, some people just are better at learning a language and getting rid of their accent, other people never really learn. Some of it depends on how much they speak their own langauge.
Posted by: Heralder at March 23, 2012 09:59 AM (/Mxso)
"Whoever escalated the altercation from it's hands-off/verbal status to a physical fight is to blame for Trayvon's death."
^Without question the most meaningful statement made on this case yet, but only with regard to a criminal case. Zim is in deep kimchee on the civil side of things.
Posted by: Jaws at March 23, 2012 09:59 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 09:59 AM (TomZ9)
http://tinyurl.com/6qw6d7g
I am of the opinion that in the end, the fact the Zimmerman suffered physical harm is going to end up making this an unprosecuted incident. The fact that Zimmerman chased the kid became irrelevant once the kid engaged in a physical fight.
The rest of this is going to end up being an opportunity for the Left, race mongers, and anti-gun crowd to call for chipping away at the 2nd amendment.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 23, 2012 10:00 AM (8TANr)
Why did Zimmerman actually call 911 to begin with? Did he actually see Martin doing something, or just didn't recognize him so he figured he'd call police?
Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 10:00 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 23, 2012 10:00 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Heralder at March 23, 2012 01:59 PM (/Mxso)
Plus he had Sylvester Stallone as a speech coach.
Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2012 10:00 AM (NOwGM)
A guy on FoxNews was just telling Megyn Kelly about how there were witnesses who saw Treyvon [the kid] beating on Zimmerman. .....And that Zimmerman had a bloody nose and grass stains on his back.
So this was apparently why the police didn't arrest Zimmerman....after seeing the shape that he was in when they got there, and talking to the witnesses who saw what happened.
Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 10:01 AM (4GgJq)
Posted by: WeekendAtBernankes at March 23, 2012 10:01 AM (L5TO4)
Posted by: Roy at March 23, 2012 10:01 AM (VndSC)
Doesn't much of the decision about whether or not to charge with a crime, up to the prosecutor, who is usually elected?
Posted by: slatz at March 23, 2012 10:02 AM (qsUe1)
See? We can always count on his lack of humility to translate to abject stupidity at the end of the day. Go look at the charts... Nearo's "acted stupidly" comment was a catalyst for his first real decline in popularity...
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 10:02 AM (Fz7+s)
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Saw it in one of the local papers.
http://is.gd/pd7wJ8
Part of the eye witness account is in this story.
Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 10:02 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 10:02 AM (WkuV6)
alex, you're right,
Ahhh, music to my ears.
Actually, willow, you have it exactly right. This is a tragedy. No matter whether or not it is also a crime, it is still a tragedy.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 10:03 AM (VtjlW)
I've already lost it, maybe JWF? But there are at least 2 eyewitnesses who agree that Trayvon was on top of, and beating, Mr. Zimmerman. Mr. Zimmerman's clothes were wet and had a grass stain on the back, he was bleeding from the back of the head and his nose was either bleeding or broken (the story I read specifies which, but I don't remember without looking).
if you had some man following you wouldn't you get scared I would run like hell but others might fight , was Zimmerman in a recognizable uniform?
Absolutely true. And? If you turned and fought, wouldn't the other person be allowed to fight back? Especially if all they'd been planing to do was keep you under observation until the cops showed up?
We're trying to guess people's motives here- and that's always a bad idea.
It's entirely possible that you're right: Trayvon may, indeed, have felt threatened and decided to defend himself. In which case, had he survived, he would not have been guilty of any crime, either.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, it is actually possible for one person to kill another and- because of each person's limited knowledge- no crime actually to have been committed.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 10:03 AM (8y9MW)
As I understand it, he isn't. The federal civil rights laws do not apply. There might be a wrongful death case possible, but if Zimmerman was physically struck prior to the shooting, then it's going to be dicey winning it.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 23, 2012 10:03 AM (8TANr)
Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 10:04 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Lord Monochromicorn at March 23, 2012 10:05 AM (nBxFQ)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 10:05 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 23, 2012 10:05 AM (8TANr)
I already mentioned that Trayvon's family could have settled for wrongful death- that they almost certainly would have won.
Of course, that might be like squeezing blood from a turnip.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 10:06 AM (8y9MW)
He admits to tailing the kid on foot and being spotted, he tells the dispatcher that the kid ran. If he pursued Trayvon after he ran (a clear indication he was scared) then the entire confrontation becomes the fault of Zimmerman.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 10:06 AM (0q2P7)
Healthcare for you and Trayvon too!
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 23, 2012 10:06 AM (8sCoq)
The self-defense argument is a good argument, but it will only get you so far. You still have to use a reasonable amount of force. If someone is in your face and then they shove you, you can't just blow them away. Maybe if Zimmerman thought he was going to get knocked unconcious or worse. If that wasn't the case, I'm sure his lawyer is telling him that was the case...
Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 10:06 AM (/Mla1)
Did Zimmerman have a gun when he first confronted Martin before making the 911 call?
Did Zimmerman know the cops would be there "when they got the chance" and Martin would be long gone after helping himself to whatever he could take?
Whatever the truth is to this, we won't get it from the MBM.
Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 10:07 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 10:07 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 10:08 AM (WkuV6)
He admits to tailing the kid on foot and being spotted, he tells the dispatcher that the kid ran. If he pursued Trayvon after he ran (a clear indication he was scared) then the entire confrontation becomes the fault of Zimmerman.
Scared...or guilty.
Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 10:08 AM (/Mla1)
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Since 2009 when the commies amended the hate crimes act that is now up to the opinion of the AG. That would be Eric "Fast and Furious" Holder.
Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 10:08 AM (YdQQY)
"The federal civil rights laws do not apply"
Someone should tell the Eric Holder. I don't think he got that memo.
Posted by: Jaws at March 23, 2012 10:09 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 02:04 PM (MMC8r)
THIS, THIS, and more THIS!
This makes me so damn mad. Blacks set on fire, get that SET ON F'N FIRE, a white kid while hurling racial slurs at him, and nothing...f'n crickets. No "national outcry", no marches, no speeches, no comment from the president, no comment from congressmen or senators, nothing...
Until we stop drooling to the left's pavlov bell, we are doomed to more of this.
Posted by: Havedash at March 23, 2012 10:09 AM (JfvbF)
Posted by: Norcross at March 23, 2012 10:09 AM (RM0br)
Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2012 10:10 AM (NOwGM)
color me surprised; buy me some Skittles
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 10:10 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 10:10 AM (Fz7+s)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 10:10 AM (Z9EHQ)
Barky already has the black vote locked in. If he were smart, he'd be supporting Zimmerman the Cuban-American.
Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 10:11 AM (/Mla1)
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The lead story on Fox is Hunger Games.
Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 10:11 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:08 PM (/Mla1)
==no offense, man, but this makes no sense.
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 10:11 AM (Dll6b)
Thanks!
I read the link, and what actually happened is still clear as mud.
I'm far less inclined to hang Zimmerman immediately, though.
It's starting to sound like a comedy of errors without the comedy:
2 people acting stupidly, with predictable results.
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 23, 2012 10:12 AM (Qxe/p)
217 Let's all remember, Casey Anthony was acquitted in the same jurisdiction.
Wow, really? ....I had actually been wondering if it was. ....Her attorney was Hispanic, wasn't he? ....But the optics of having Casey Anthony's attorney might not bode well for Zimmerman. Heh.
Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 10:12 AM (4GgJq)
poor little guy. damn life is really depressing.
Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 10:12 AM (TomZ9)
I love how slight Dolph's accent is. I know that's pretty typical of Scandis because the language is similar but it's still a little jarring.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 23, 2012 01:43 PM (T0NGe)
Funny, because if memory serves, he pretty much always does heavy accents in film, including that "tough guy" accent in Expendables.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2012 10:12 AM (XCHGh)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 02:11 PM (Dll6b)
When Zimmerman saw him run, he could have assumed that Martin was scared or guilty...
I was responding to the post that said it should have been obvious Martin was scared because he was running. Guilty people run too.
Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 10:13 AM (/Mla1)
Re-reading the original comment: I think he's saying that Trayvon ran from Zimmerman either because he (Trayvon) was scared or he was guilty of something.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 10:13 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 10:13 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 10:14 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 10:15 AM (TomZ9)
You can't use self defense if a reasonable person would have felt threatened by your actions. That is where Zimmerman is really up sh*t creek. Some dude starts tailing me in the middle of the night, I run, he follows, I FEEL THREATENED, and that is reasonable. You have threatened me by chasing me at night. You are now responsible for the fact that I might choose to defend myself by approaching me in a threatening manner. So if a confrontation ends in my death, you are criminally and civilly responsible for that outcome.
1. You threaten me.
2. I defend myself.
3. You kill me.
That is Man 1 at the least, and if you had any provable malice, it's murder 2.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 10:15 AM (0q2P7)
I read the transcript, the answer is no.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 10:17 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 10:17 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 02:15 PM (TomZ9)
According to a neighbor, Zimmerman saw a black kid who was creeping around and really was breaking into houses earlier (I think a couple weeks prior maybe?) So I think maybe Martin matched the description. For all we know it could have really been him, we'll never know because if it was the MSM won't report it.
Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 10:17 AM (/Mla1)
I hope this doesn't end up with me bringing this pendejo in for a cerveza summit on Cinco de Quatro.
Posted by: King Barry I at March 23, 2012 10:17 AM (JxMoP)
Barky already has the black vote locked in. If he were smart, he'd be supporting Zimmerman the Cuban-American.
Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:11 PM (/Mla1)
SCOAMF is playing GOTV via racial politics with this issue. The election politics are all about turnout. With a side helping of gun control and racial reparations after reelection.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2012 10:17 AM (XCHGh)
If the JEF were smart he back away from this case and not say a single thing about it. But he isn't smart, or rather he is so arrogant and narcissistic that he can't bear not sticking his dick into this.
This case is a mine field, and SCOAMF is walking right into it.
He has a choice: piss of the Hispanic race baiters or piss off the Black race baiters.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 23, 2012 10:18 AM (nEUpB)
Mike yes, that's how i think it went down. I didn't hear anything to say the kid was committing a crime prior to being chased.
being in a private development doesn't count to me.
many children do this , a short cut.
anyway we'll see i guess.
and i still haven't shut up
damn it, sorry alex.
now i will.
Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 10:18 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 10:18 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 10:19 AM (Dll6b)
Which is a good analysis for a cop trying to determine suspicion in order to stop someone. NOT something a private citizen can use to push a confrontation.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 10:19 AM (0q2P7)
I don't know (having not listened to them) but I sincerely doubt it.
I don't think Zimmerman should have followed the kid- that was pretty stupid. But it wasn't illegal for him to do so. There are also character witness type statements starting to surface (poorly sourced from what I've seen, so take them with a shaker full of salt) that indicate there would not have been any racial reason Zimmerman would have thought the kid was up to something. If that's true, then he likely keyed onto some behavior and decided it was suspicious.
Again, we're unlikely ever to know the truth of that.
What does it matter, though? Z was suspicious, he followed Trayvon. This was completely legal, and no one disputes that. At some point, a physical altercation started, and Trayvon ended up dead. No, either Zimmerman escalated the situation to violence- in which case he's guilty of murder, or Trayvon did- in which case Zimmerman acted in self-defense. So far, the physical evidence supports Zimmerman's claims.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 10:20 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 10:20 AM (Z9EHQ)
i see, but it was not ID'd as Trayvon.
but yes it might be meaningful, might not.
i better go outside , so i won't type.
ha
Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 10:20 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 02:17 PM (jUytm)
Apparently a 125 grain JHP.
[Too soon?]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 23, 2012 10:21 AM (nEUpB)
After thinking about it, I might even get rid of this part of
Nah, never mind. I didn't do it in Massachusetts.
Posted by: Mitt RomneyCare at March 23, 2012 10:21 AM (7+pP9)
[Too soon?]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 23, 2012 02:21 PM (nEUpB)
== no
yours with eternal devotion, Pigpen's testicles
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 10:22 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 10:22 AM (Fz7+s)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 10:23 AM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 10:23 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at March 23, 2012 10:23 AM (F+Xfj)
Posted by: Y-not at March 23, 2012 10:23 AM (5H6zj)
Now, pretend your Martin for a moment. You have some guy following you. What's going through your mind? Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 02:17 PM
Yes, this will hang Zimmerman because we know that a dead gangbanger's girlfriend would NEVER lie
Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 10:23 AM (Y+DPZ)
"Of course, that might be like squeezing blood from a turnip."
Never said they would get much out of Zimmerman - especially now that the guy's life is effectively over. The fact that he may not be criminally responsible by virtue of the fact that it can't be proven he started the fistfight will, I think, be meaningless when it comes to a civil trial or WD lawsuit. OJ proved that and that MFer actually had to stand for a criminal trial first.
Posted by: Jaws at March 23, 2012 10:23 AM (4I3Uo)
Which is a good analysis for a cop trying to determine suspicion in order to stop someone. NOT something a private citizen can use to push a confrontation.
Posted by:at March 23, 2012 02:19 PM (0q2P7)
True. But you're buying into the idea that he was pushing a confrontation. He may have just been trying to keep an eye on Martin, and didn't really intend to catch him. And if Martin ran, even if he wanted to keep his distance he'd have to run after him. I don't know why he wanted to keep an eye on Martin so desperately if he didn't actually see him do anything, but there could be other facts out there.
Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 10:24 AM (/Mla1)
I hope the the OWSers aren't there. I'll report back later.
Posted by: Derak at March 23, 2012 10:24 AM (VEhDR)
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 10:24 AM (HwrJu)
Besides fighting someone with a gun? Or is that enough?
Getting into fights is stupid. Sometimes it's your only (or best, even if there's another one) option, but that does not appear to be the case here. Also, when some dude chased him at night, he could have dropped the call to his GF, and then called 9-1-1.
One more time: I don't know what happened. Unless you're actually Mr. Zimmerman, or Zombie Trayvon Martin, you don't either. So stop trying to hang Zimmerman.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 10:25 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 23, 2012 02:05 PM
The jury was from Hillsborough County (Clearwater, St Pete) because the judge ruled that an Orange County jury was so riled up that she couldn't get a fair trial
Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 10:25 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 02:24 PM (HwrJu)
Because that account isn't reported on any of the MSM news channels, which is no surprise.
Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 10:26 AM (/Mla1)
al arabiya reports nearly 1000 Pakistani women (all but a few being Muslim) murdered by family members, none of whom are prosecuted for honor killings, despite Pakistani Parliamentary legislation granting lip service to equal rights.
On "universal health care," of the nearly 1000 murdered wives-daughters-sisters, less than two dozen were offered any medical care after being attacked and left to die.
Should Rush Limbaugh make Sharia Law his butt for jokes as Mark Steyn has done, and champion women's rights, the right to choose one's own marital spouse at least, American skanks would clobber themselves "advancing" their Rush fatwa.
/Mr. Limbaugh, I don't tweet. But if you award someone your ipad prize based on this idea, I would gladly accept the "free" item that you funded as a gift.
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 10:26 AM (lpWVn)
in all seriousness, what ever happened to "truth, justice, and the American way?"
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 02:20 PM (Z9EHQ)
Black Kryptonite has a strange effect on America now days. It's going to get worse before the race monger in-chief is out of office.
Posted by: Havedash at March 23, 2012 10:27 AM (JfvbF)
But we're all grown ups here who have been around the block a few times and met a dozen Zimmermans in our lifetimes.
Yep. And some of us have grown up and lived in cities like Philadelphia where the "innocent" Treyvons go around town and commit race-based assaults on a daily basis and are not held accountable due to media embargoes and government fears of lawsuits. Zimmerman would have been hung, drawn and quartered already in this town.
We have a DOJ led by an attorney general who is on the record saying that crimes committed against whites by minorities are not a priority because we haven't "suffered enough".
So please pardon me if I don't automatically cede ground to the race pimps and hustlers. I'll wait on the evidence.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 23, 2012 10:27 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 23, 2012 10:28 AM (+lsX1)
Yeh, sounds like he just didn't like him and felt like killing a black kid who was only collecting money for UNICEF.
What was Zimmerman hiding!!!!
/sarc off
Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 10:31 AM (Y+DPZ)
Should Rush Limbaugh make Sharia Law his butt for jokes as Mark Steyn has done, and champion women's rights, the right to choose one's own marital spouse at least, American skanks would clobber themselves "advancing" their Rush fatwa.
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 02:26 PM (lpWVn)
You silly war on women promoter! Women want CONDOMS, not clits! Don't try to relate clit chopping to a woman's right to free birth control. Hasn't Pelosi taught you any-Flukin-thing? :-)
Posted by: Havedash at March 23, 2012 10:31 AM (JfvbF)
http://tinyurl.com/8ypbxvu
Posted by: my heart still belongs to herman cain at March 23, 2012 10:31 AM (oZfic)
So please pardon me if I don't automatically cede ground to the race pimps and hustlers. I'll wait on the evidence. Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 23, 2012 02:27 PM
This +1000
Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 10:32 AM (Y+DPZ)
Did he ambush the follower? Maybe. If so, he's at fault. That's consistent with the evidence of a physical attack and Z's innocence.
Did he stop running and ask why he was being followed? If so, Z is at fault. But--at this point--that scenario is not consistent with the evidence. Why then the fight? Because the event ends there as T and Z explain themselves, you would think.
There's one more possibility then, he stops, asks, and Z gets aggressive, maybe tries to physically restrain, and then the fight. That's consistent with the evidence and T's innocence but inconsistent with Z having a gun. Why physically attempt restraint when drawing the weapon is simpler and safer? But: People do dumb things and maybe that's what he did.
The thing we don't know--and it is the whole crux of who is innocent--is what/who caused/initiated the altercation.
Posted by: Jimmuy at March 23, 2012 10:33 AM (BLEio)
Posted by: tasker at March 23, 2012 10:36 AM (r2PLg)
Somebody on Facebook actually made a cogent point. The MSM has been showing photos of both Zimmerman and Martin. The Martin photo was taken when he was 12 years old....when he was shorter and skinnier. On the night he was shot he was 6 foot 3. Wonder why that is?
Also saw a, er, pun......if Hispannics are now white does that mean it's no longer racist to oppose illegal immigration?
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 23, 2012 10:44 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Random at March 23, 2012 11:15 AM (NvI3l)
No, that isn't true. It is especially not true in Florida, and was established by our Supreme Court in 1982 before the stand your ground law was implemented.
In this case, regardless of the actions that occurred leading up, if Zimmerman was on the ground getting the shit beat out of him by Travis, then he was justified in using deadly force. The law recognizes the perception of being put under threat, and also that deadly force doesn't mean having a gun.
During my wife's CCW class, the instructor gave a very graphic example of how dangerous someone with a knife is, and instilled on the class that you WILL shoot someone coming at you in a threatening manner, regardless of whether or not they have a gun. Once they are in contact with you, your chances of defending yourself go way down.
If Zimmerman is injured (and reports indicated he was) and Travis was shot in the chest (again reports indicate he was), then this is very likely to be determined to be self defense. There will probably by trial now, because of the political pressure, but in the end Zimmerman will be found not guilty.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 23, 2012 11:36 AM (8TANr)
Posted by: Mark formerly in Spokane,now in Sandy Ut at March 23, 2012 11:57 AM (8ac7j)
Posted by: Annoyer of Liberal Acquaintances at March 23, 2012 12:02 PM (nTjSs)
Posted by: my heart still belongs to herman cain at March 23, 2012 02:31 PM (oZfic)
Gagggggggggg! I am so sick of this piece of shit troll.
Posted by: jem at March 23, 2012 12:15 PM (0oYHO)
Click on my name.
Posted by: mpfs at March 23, 2012 01:16 PM (iYbLN)
Nope..Univision. Much larger audience.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at March 23, 2012 01:20 PM (MbeR6)
Posted by: ahem at March 23, 2012 01:38 PM (3C5fW)
Posted by: path at March 23, 2012 01:54 PM (CA5Ve)
Posted by: ahem at March 23, 2012 02:17 PM (3C5fW)
Ah, the good ole days...
Posted by: Buttclapper at March 23, 2012 02:30 PM (Q63S1)
Posted by: Hidajunshin at March 23, 2012 02:56 PM (VWlmO)
Nary a mention of the rally for religious liberty today.
Rat-fuckers.
Posted by: clp at March 23, 2012 05:44 PM (SJC5V)
"The Martin photo was taken when he was 12 years old....when he was shorter and skinnier. On the night he was shot he was 6 foot 3.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 23, 2012 02:44 PM (YmPwQ"
He was 6 foot 3 at 140 lbs young man against an armed man 250lbs who is pursuing him. How does that work for you now?
Neither hispanic or latino are races, common mistake though.
People like Alec keep pointing to testimoy and rumor the police submitted, but if you look on the net, the witnesses and actual 911 tapes are telling a different story.
Posted by: Justus Brothas at March 23, 2012 06:43 PM (5xuOJ)
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