April 27, 2012

Interesting Post at Commentary, on the Vicious Disdain of the Elite
— Ace

Good essay rebutting the charge that the 1950s were a Conformist-Culture Wasteland -- in fact, large numbers of people, from the Middle Class and Working Class, took an interest in High Culture.

The interesting thing about this was that the "elites" objected at the time -- they actually were opposed to The Stupid Masses (as they thought of them) becoming cultured.

The essay is about several things (it's lengthy) and I can't digest it all. But let me just hit that one part.

Macdonald made himself the chief critic of the cultural category he dubbed the “middlebrow.” The great danger to America, he argued in his most famous essay, “Masscult and Midcult,” was the effort by the masses to elevate themselves culturally. Because of the middlebrow impulse, he said, book clubs had spread across the country like so much “ooze.” The result, Macdonald believed, could only be the pollution of high culture and its degradation in becoming popular culture. “Two cultures have developed in this country,” insisted Macdonald, and “it is to the national interest to keep them separate.”

His words were vicious. “Already we have far too much of this insipidity—masses of people who are half breeds” daring to partake of “the American culture of the cheap newspaper, the movies, the popular song, the ubiquitous automobile” and creating “hordes of men and women without a spiritual country…without taste, without standards but those of the mob.”

That was, Macdonald explained, because “the masses are not people, they are not The Man in the Street or The Average Man, they are not even that figment of liberal condescension, The Common Man. The masses are, rather, man as non-man.” He quoted the author Roger Fry approvingly as saying Americans “have lost the power to be individuals. They have become social insects like bees and ants.”

MacDonald turned out to be a great fan of the New Left of the 1960s.

Dwight Macdonald, who spat on the ambitions of the midcult man, took an interesting journey himself in the 1960s. He became a movie critic and later a contributor to the Today show. When student radicals took over buildings on the campus of Columbia University, Macdonald celebrated them and responded mildly when members of the Students for a Democratic Society (which gave birth to the terrorist Weathermen) literally set fire to the manuscript of a professor. The man who had denounced the barbarism of the American middle saw true barbarism in practice and found it wonderfully stimulating.

I've written a lot about the not-so-secret yearning of supposedly pro-"Common Man" liberals to reinforce class distinctions, thus carving out for themselves a New Aristocracy class.

This is the primary psychological drive of the bien pensants. If you understand this about them, you understand everything about them.

Everything they say, and everything they do, is calculated towards one specific purpose, one unchanging goal: To differentiate themselves from their "common" fellows, and, by differentiating themselves, in conspicuous demonstrations of anti-common sentiment, declare and affirm themselves to be members of the New Aristocracy.

I keep reposting this; it's still true.

The aristocracy has always sought to differentiate itself from the hoi polloi by signalling other aristocrats via the conspicuous display of manners and opinions marking them as elite. In the 1920's, for example, the highborn would talk about opera and symphony, but never popular music-- popular music was for the lower classes, and if you enjoyed a pop song, it was best to keep that to yourself. They would discuss live theater but never filmed features-- again, the first was accpetable, the latter declasse. And of course there is all that stuff about eating and drinking.

Gosford Park catalogued much of this, especially in the screenwriter's commentary, which, for my money, was more interesting than the actual movie.

We still have a moneyed aristocracy, of course. And I imagine that many of those old rules still apply (although, quite frankly, I wouldn't know for certain).

What I find interesting from a sociological standpoint is liberals' aping of the opinions and manners of the aristocracy, usually with a healthy infusion of kneejerk progressive politics, as a new form of differentiation from the masses whom they so clearly despise. Just as the old middle classes would also attempt to mimic the behaviors of the wealthy, so too do today's liberals -- even those who aren't very wealthy at all -- seek to emulate the codes and mores of the leisure-class to show that they, too, belong in the company of the elite.

Quick proof: Go find any liberal. Ask him what he thinks about USAToday. If he does not immediately say "McPaper," I will buy you a Filet-O-Fish or McRib (your choice; supplies are limited).

Now, USAToday is neither an especially good paper nor an especially bad one; it's not really remarkable in any way. But the word has come down from the liberal aristocrats that the proper attitude towards USAToday is that it is a McPaper, and so that's what they all say, even if (as is usually the case) they've never so much as read the paper before in their lives.

They call it McPaper because of a series of faux-aristocratic biases -- the "mom and pop" local operation is always more virtuous than the national franchise, anything that smacks of mass-appeal is to be automatically despised, etc. -- and they say it's a McPaper, over and over again, for the same reason 1920's aristocrats all talked about the operas they usually slept through-- to signal to other "Progressive Elites" that they Belong, that They Are Part of the Higher Class.

Shibboleths, in other words, in that most excellent word Rush Limbaugh introduced me to a month or so back.

The important thing about a shibboleth is not whether it is true. That is not the point of the thing. It may be true; it, more likely, especially as years wear on, may be false.

The important thing, the only important thing, about a shibboleth is that it's not what the commoners are saying. The point of the shibboleth is not reaffirm external truth, but to reaffirm personal identity.

It is no wonder they all quickly fall in a line and begin spouting minor variations on the same stupid claim. The point was never, ever to consider the truth of the matter, and subject it to analysis; but precisely to simply repeat what other self-discovered members of the New Aristocrats are saying, because that's how they each know they belong.

You can stuff your "uncomfortable feelings" in a hat, New Aristocrats. People with some sort of true religious or ethical imperative against killing of any kind may fret a bit over this. But you lot?

The only "uncomfortable feelings" you really have is the fear that one day you might be mistaken for a commoner, by mistakenly saying the same thing the commoners say.

As Michael Palin says in the Argument Clinic sketch: An argument is a reasoned series of premises designed to prove a point. It's not just the automatic gainsaying of whatever someone else says; that's just contradiction.

But that's precisely what the New Aristocrats do. This isn't thinking. This isn't reason. This is simply the automatic, reflexive contradiction of anything a commoner might happen to say. Even if the "commoner" happens to be right.

Because the whole point is to have a different opinion, one the commoners do not share. And the commoners, being, generally, a reasonable and sound-thinking lot, unfortunately have the tendency to think the right things a distressingly large amount of the time.

Forcing the New Aristocrats to often, and more and more, take increasingly unreasonable positions simply to signal their uncommonness.

And hence: Increasing stupidity from the supposedly smart.

As the saying goes: Only an intellectual can believe things this stupid.

Posted by: Ace at 12:53 PM | Comments (386)
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1 I feel boxed in

Posted by: fluffy the mime at April 27, 2012 12:57 PM (O6q63)

2 derp me like artz

Posted by: joeindc44 says hide your dogs, SCOMDEF's in town at April 27, 2012 12:58 PM (QxSug)

3 Feelin' boxed in...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica City DMV at April 27, 2012 12:58 PM (vv85S)

4 ...and a little blue...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica City DMV at April 27, 2012 12:58 PM (GBXon)

5 Our betters aren't.

Posted by: dick cheese at April 27, 2012 12:59 PM (NG097)

6 Don't Fence Me In!

Posted by: luaP noR at April 27, 2012 12:59 PM (VwrfQ)

7 Ace didn't know what a shibboleth was until Rush told him - ?

Posted by: jeanne...meh at April 27, 2012 01:00 PM (GdalM)

8 Blue boxes cure blue balls.

Posted by: Tiffany at April 27, 2012 01:00 PM (VwrfQ)

9 Off point, but I read a few years ago that USAToday has ALWAYS lost money. I think I'll look that up.

Posted by: Jimmah at April 27, 2012 01:00 PM (UpwlP)

10

Now, USAToday is neither an especially good paper nor an especially bad one; it's not really remarkable in any way.

 

Come on now, its colorful weather map is pretty damn good.

Posted by: kallisto at April 27, 2012 01:00 PM (jm/9g)

11 The whole thing was a little more tolerable when they bothered themselves with three different forks and spoons at a table setting.  At least then it didn't implicate destroying a Nation and its society solely for the enjoyment of being contrarian.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 27, 2012 01:01 PM (mg08E)

12 shorte..., down people down!

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2012 01:01 PM (TomZ9)

13 Motorin'!

Posted by: Greg Gutfeld ALL night at April 27, 2012 01:01 PM (VwrfQ)

14 It's box quotes all the way down.

Posted by: wooga at April 27, 2012 01:01 PM (vjyZP)

15 I believe the term was "Oikophobia."

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 27, 2012 01:01 PM (mg08E)

16 It's hard to feel superior to the guy who kicked your butt, stole your lunch money, and dated the cheerleader in High School.  Ace doesn't want to give the elites the respect they feel they deserve.  Ace lacks proper respect for that Ivy League diploma.

Ace is a big meany.

Posted by: MarkD at April 27, 2012 01:01 PM (iYBP2)

17 Hence the endgame of modern progressivism: a feudal society where the Right-Thinking are the only ones allowed to live as people do today and everyone else is their slaves.  Unfortunately for tens of millions of registered Democrats, if that happens the ranks of the non-slaves are going to be a lot smaller than they think.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 27, 2012 01:01 PM (tqwMN)

18

You know what you look like to me, with your good bag and your cheap shoes? You look like a rube. A well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition's given you some length of bone, but you're not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Agent Starling? And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed: pure West Virginia. What is your father, dear? Is he a coal miner? Does he stink of the lamp? You know how quickly the boys found you... all those tedious sticky fumblings in the back seats of cars... while you could only dream of getting out... getting anywhere... getting all the way to the FBI.

Posted by: Hannibal Lecter at April 27, 2012 01:02 PM (NG097)

19 Damn.  Feel like I just doinked a smurf. 

Posted by: momma at April 27, 2012 01:02 PM (oKsWl)

20 13 Motorin'!
What's your price for flight?

Posted by: wooga at April 27, 2012 01:02 PM (vjyZP)

21 Ace didn't know what a shibboleth was until Rush told him - ?

He understood the concept, but he didn't know what the word for it was.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 27, 2012 01:03 PM (tqwMN)

22 scuse me....where's my falling bear?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 27, 2012 01:04 PM (SO2Q8)

23 fuckin' html Jedi, that ace.

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2012 01:05 PM (VwrfQ)

24 OK, I guess it took 15 or 20 years, but USAToday did eventually have a profitable year. http://ajr.org/article.asp?id=878

Posted by: Jimmah at April 27, 2012 01:05 PM (UpwlP)

25 I got nuthin'

Posted by: dogfish at April 27, 2012 01:05 PM (N2yhW)

26

You see a lot, doctor.  But are you able to point that high powered perception at yourself?  How about it?  Why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see?  Or are you scared?

 

-Clarice

Posted by: model_1066 at April 27, 2012 01:06 PM (YbQJm)

27 I think what's really neat is that we now have four Supreme Court Justices who more or less subscribe to this general way of thinking. 

If West Virginia voted for it, it must be the product of ignorance, bigotry and hatred, and therefore Unconstitutional.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 27, 2012 01:07 PM (mg08E)

28 feels familiar, The govt seems to have the same thought process's , They believe we should accept groping of our and our children's person, with a thank you (Think about hopw insulting this has become)  We have little value except as a person to work and be tax'd. We come to the town hall and make substantial complaints and they call us terrorists, nazis  whatever they will to shut us down.

with exception , the govt doesn't find us particularly entertaining , just tools to be manipulated for whatever fickle thought they come up with.

guess i'm feeling a little b*tchy.

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2012 01:08 PM (TomZ9)

29 Which wine goes best with Hot Pockets?

Posted by: Cicero at April 27, 2012 01:08 PM (QKKT0)

30

What is your father, dear? Is he a coal miner? Does he stink of the lamp?

I was upper class.

Posted by: Mason Verger at April 27, 2012 01:08 PM (O6q63)

31 Everything they say, and everything they do, is calculated towards one specific purpose, one unchanging goal: To differentiate themselves from their "common" fellows, and, by differentiating themselves, in conspicuous demonstrations of anti-common sentiment, declare and affirm themselves to be members of the New Aristocracy.

You almost got there.  Yes, status motivates most of what people do.  But why?  In the case of males, it is to increase their chances of f*****g the prom queen.  We aren't that different than big horn sheep. 

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 01:09 PM (6TB1Z)

32 And that is why the arts started going to shit in the late 1950s.  A way for the elite to claim the rubes just didn't understand the shit they were pedaling as art.  Then in the 60s they truly pained themselves into a shit corner.

Posted by: Dang at April 27, 2012 01:10 PM (Ky1+e)

33 An art thread could expand on Ace's bien pensant argument.  Tretchikoff's Chinese Lady (aka "The Green Lady") was a1950 print that is "one of the most popular prints ever made and yet many art critics dismiss it as rubbish."

A short article is here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5298060.stm
Although I only care about it because of the catchy Big Audio Dynamite song.

Posted by: wooga at April 27, 2012 01:10 PM (vjyZP)

34 You almost got there. Yes, status motivates most of what people do. But why? In the case of males, it is to increase their chances of f*****g the prom queen. We aren't that different than big horn sheep.

Did I mention the President has a mighty big horn?

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 27, 2012 01:10 PM (QKKT0)

35 Interesting Post at Commentary on the Vicious Disdain of the Elite

Posted by: ace's non-existant editor [/i] [/b] at April 27, 2012 01:10 PM (ebPtk)

36 Does he stink of the lamp?

I don't get it.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 27, 2012 01:11 PM (6TB1Z)

37 Take a look at yourself here in a worn-out Mardi Gras outfit, rented for 50 cents from some rag-picker. And with a crazy crown on. Now what kind of a queen do you think you are? Do you know that I've been on to you from the start, and not once did you pull the wool over this boy's eyes? You come in here and you sprinkle the place with powder and you spray perfume and you stick a paper lantern over the light bulb - and, lo and behold, the place has turned to Egypt and you are the Queen of the Nile, sitting on your throne, swilling down my liquor. And do you know what I say? Ha ha! Do you hear me? Ha ha ha!

Posted by: Stanley Kowalski at April 27, 2012 01:11 PM (jm/9g)

38 the "elites" objected at the time -- they actually were opposed to The Stupid Masses becoming cultured.
****
Well, I guess the elites won that one.  I wonder if I will have time to watch both American Idol and WWE.

In my humble opinion, Aaron Copeland is America's finest composer.  One of his most famous pieces is Fanfare for the Common Man.  See http://preview.tinyurl.com/6vsygf5

But I listen to that in a very different way than Copeland intended.  Copeland was a commie (at least up until late in life when he learned how badly Stalin had treated Soviet composer Shostakovitch).  So Copeland meant for that piece to evoke the crying need that the common man has for an enlightened elite (like Uncle Joe) to look after him.  I listen to it and hear how the the common man would be doing just fine, thank you very much, if government would just shut the fuck up.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 27, 2012 01:12 PM (Hx5uv)

39 eh, I just read the meaning of the term 'bread and circuses' Wiki (quite good by the way)
imagine how many times i have heard it and really didn't 'get ' the fullness of the terminology..

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2012 01:12 PM (TomZ9)

40 29Which wine goes best with Hot Pockets?

Posted by: Cicero at April 27, 2012 05:08 PM (QKKT0)

 

Riunite on ice!

Posted by: model_1066 at April 27, 2012 01:12 PM (YbQJm)

41 Italics testing in 3,  2,  1...

Posted by: Dang at April 27, 2012 01:12 PM (Ky1+e)

42 Leonard Bernstein and the New York Philharmonic's classics for kids tv broadcasts from the early 60s were extremely popular with adults--in truth they were too high-brow for kids anyway--and something like that is impossible to imagine today.

Civilization has declined.

Posted by: Glaucon at April 27, 2012 01:12 PM (mP9Rx)

43 This explains the people who have to vote for Obama.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 01:12 PM (P6QsQ)

44 Italics testing in 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: Dang


Shit.

Posted by: Dang at April 27, 2012 01:12 PM (Ky1+e)

45 It also explains the people who have to hate Palin.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 01:13 PM (P6QsQ)

46 I'm here to kick ass and eat Grey Poupon....



....and I'm all out of Grey Poupon.

Posted by: EC at April 27, 2012 01:13 PM (R15UB)

47 The fact that insecure people will pay money to walk around with a New York Times folded conspicuously under their arm is what keeps that piece of shit birdcage liner in business.

Posted by: Cicero at April 27, 2012 01:13 PM (QKKT0)

48 The people advocating an all-powerful communist government always assume they will be in charge.  How is that they can talk about "freedom" and yet despise conservatives who only want people to be left alone.


The cognitive dissonance there is shattering.

Posted by: Vic at April 27, 2012 01:13 PM (YdQQY)

49

29Which wine goes best with Hot Pockets?

 

I thought the beauty of the Hot Pocket was that you didn't have to get them drunk? 

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2012 01:14 PM (VwrfQ)

50 If and when the Day of Revolution ever comes, I welcome the chance to settle things.

Posted by: EC at April 27, 2012 01:14 PM (R15UB)

51

"Because the whole point is to have a different opinion, one the commoners do not share. And the commoners, being, generally, a reasonable and sound-thinking lot, unfortunately have the tendency to think the right things a distressingly large amount of the time.

Forcing the New Aristocrats to often, and more and more, take increasingly unreasonable positions simply to signal their uncommonness.

And hence: Increasing stupidity from the supposedly smart."

 

This in essense is a point I've been making for years and explains why liberalism is a mental disorder. It is the uncanny ability to process the same information as everybody else  and come up with precisely the wrong answer, each and every time, consistently and without fail.

 

 

 

 

Posted by: LGoPs at April 27, 2012 01:14 PM (lHn6+)

52

Shibboleth:  Take cuts for the rich!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at April 27, 2012 01:14 PM (TkGkA)

53 It also explains the people who despise those who cling to their guns and their religion.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 01:14 PM (P6QsQ)

54 The time of purification is at hand.

Posted by: the angel of death in a funny hat at April 27, 2012 01:14 PM (NG097)

55 Did I mention the President has a mighty big horn?

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 27, 2012 05:10 PM (QKKT0)

Let's say this twinkie represents a normal man's stick. According to what Obama told me this morning, his stick will be a twinkie, 35 feet long and weighing approximately 600 pounds.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 27, 2012 01:15 PM (Hx5uv)

56 I think the "revolutionary left" and the "blue blood left" have a sort of "parallel journey" that lets them get along to an extent that should not really happen. Interesting to note as an aside that the relationship is almost universally presented as hostile rebellion in film/TV, when in reality it's a semi-stable alliance. The Blue Bloods want to be separate from the crawling masses, to be over and above them, because it is the only way their status means anything, their carefully inbred family history, their carefully disdained wealth, is all so much pap and frippery if they aren't *better*, so they constantly reinforce each other's claims to better-ness. The revolutionary left want to be separate from the crawling masses, to be over and above them, because it's the only way their ideas mean anything, their carefully misread history, their carefully oppositional diatribes, is all so much pap and frippery if they aren't *better*, so they constantly reinforce each other's claims to better-ness. The fact that the latter were frequently sons and daughters of the former is not a coincidence. I thought it was a little interesting in that James Bond movie, Die Another Day, the "perfect representative of the Renaissance-man British Upper-Class Scions" turned out to be the "perfect representative of the Renaissance-man Communist Leadership Scions," though the author's combining of the two conceits was a little muddled.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 27, 2012 01:15 PM (bxiXv)

57 32 And that is why the arts started going to shit in the late 1950s. A way for the elite to claim the rubes just didn't understand the shit they were pedaling as art. Then in the 60s they truly pained themselves into a shit corner.

I have long said this.  Thank you for saying it again.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 27, 2012 01:15 PM (DuH+r)

58 It that fool in an intellectual, I'm proud to be a Moron.

Posted by: maddogg at April 27, 2012 01:15 PM (OlN4e)

59 The 50s were a time of much higher class in the public.  Just look at the TV programs of those years and compare them to the trash we get now.

Posted by: Vic at April 27, 2012 01:15 PM (YdQQY)

60 I'm confused. Is this non-sequiter night?

Posted by: Grant S at April 27, 2012 01:15 PM (dsCnE)

61 40 29Which wine goes best with Hot Pockets?
Posted by: Cicero at April 27, 2012 05:08 PM (QKKT0) Riunite on ice!


That's nice!

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 01:16 PM (6TB1Z)

62 Because the whole point is to have a different opinion, one the commoners do not share. And the commoners, being, generally, a reasonable and sound-thinking lot, unfortunately have the tendency to think the right things a distressingly large amount of the time.
Forcing the New Aristocrats to often, and more and more, take increasingly unreasonable positions simply to signal their uncommonness.
And hence: Increasing stupidity from the supposedly smart."


Brilliantly said, Ace.  You're too smart to be down here with us ass-scratching rabble.

Posted by: Cicero at April 27, 2012 01:16 PM (QKKT0)

63 guess i'm feeling a little b*tchy. Posted by: willow at April 27, 2012 05:08 PM (TomZ9) That's actually a normal response when people treat you like you're their bitch.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 27, 2012 01:16 PM (bxiXv)

64 The interesting thing about this was that the "elites" objected at the time -- they actually were opposed to The Stupid Masses (as they thought of them) becoming cultured.


Well ... they won. Now, the "elites" are a bunch of uncultured savages worshiping third world retards and dog-eaters.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 27, 2012 01:17 PM (X3lox)

65 Let's say this twinkie represents a normal man's stick. According to what Obama told me this morning, his stick will be a twinkie, 35 feet long and weighing approximately 600 pounds.

That's a big twinkie.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 01:17 PM (6TB1Z)

66 You gonna finish that twinkie?

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 27, 2012 01:18 PM (QKKT0)

67 well Ace, how does it feel to be a magnet for ass scratching rabble?

Posted by: maddogg at April 27, 2012 01:18 PM (OlN4e)

68 Hamburger Helper is best accompanied by a nice Pinot Noir.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 27, 2012 01:18 PM (lHn6+)

69

What pisses me off the most about intellectual elitism is the sheer foppish absurdity of all that deep thinkin'.  These motherfuckers make a VIRTUE of having nothing to say that is either informed by, or likely to make an impact on, the real world.

 

So much so that I REFUSE to read much philosophy.  Which leads to even more disdainful sniffery at not having read the Great Thinkers, which is how these powdered douchestockings see themselves.

 

Yeah, my sleeve length is longer than my inseam.  When I want your Great Thoughts, I'll split your fuckin head open and serve myself, Poindexter.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2012 01:18 PM (APmL9)

70 This Just In:

Liberalism is like a lesion on the exit of the anus.

Very uncomfortable and annoying as fuck.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 27, 2012 01:19 PM (UK9cE)

71
The 50s were a time of much higher class in the public. Just look at the TV programs of those years and compare them to the trash we get now.

Posted by: Vic at April 27, 2012 05:15 PM (YdQQY)


Such as The Texaco Hour, Kukla, Fran, and Ollie, Howdy Doody, Dick Clark's Bandstand, and my favorite, Test Pattern.


Posted by: Doctor Fish at April 27, 2012 01:19 PM (TkGkA)

72 #59, The radicals in the 1960s did a lot to destroy high art, culture, fashion, and manners in the US. Really if one looks at everything from about World War One forward, the radicals did everything they could to undermine any aspects of civilization which would get in the way of establishing a new order. It sounds conspiratorial, but it is true. Religion, history, culture and civilization had to be swept away in order to allow the new order to take over without challenge.

Posted by: The recession at April 27, 2012 01:19 PM (KCvsd)

73 I love the little peasants out there. ...We have been programming them for decades to have short memories, low attention spans and be easily led to the conclusions we want them to reach.

Posted by: King Barky, Dog Gobbler at April 27, 2012 01:19 PM (O4AQQ)

74 When I want your Great Thoughts, I'll split your fuckin head open and serve myself, Poindexter.

Threadwinner

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 27, 2012 01:20 PM (QKKT0)

75 It that fool in an intellectual, I'm proud to be a Moron.Posted by: maddogg

Yes.


(sorry, Mr. Dogg, I'm not trying to ride your ass today, but you keep tossing these softballs into the air...)

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 27, 2012 01:20 PM (ebPtk)

76 Aristocrats can bite me, especially the faux aristocrats spending our tax money so freely in the WH.
 
Extra especially this applies to the Mooch.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 27, 2012 01:20 PM (cHZB7)

77 the "mom and pop" local operation is always more virtuous than the national franchise, anything that smacks of mass-appeal is to be automatically despised


Great, a nation of fucking hipsters

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 27, 2012 01:20 PM (tKFT6)

78 Which wine goes best with Hot Pockets?

Posted by: Cicero at April 27, 2012 05:08 PM (QKKT0)



Ripple.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 27, 2012 01:21 PM (UK9cE)

79 I work in a place where the truly brilliant are, if not common, easily to be found.  The funny thing about them is that they don't worry about social status.  Why would they?  The people who decide those things are idiots.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 01:21 PM (6TB1Z)

80 And that is why the arts started going to shit in the late 1950s. A way for the elite to claim the rubes just didn't understand the shit they were pedaling as art. Then in the 60s they truly pained themselves into a shit corner.

It started before then, it just didn't surface until the late 50s.

Remember, one of the many fascinating things that the MFM don't want you to know about the Venona intercepts is that the USSR as early as the late 1920s was funding sympathetic Western "artists" to create "art" that was expressly intended to be ugly / non-aesthetic.  This was intended to depress the capitalist running dogs and hasten world Communism.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 27, 2012 01:21 PM (tqwMN)

81 I think this video sums up the idiocy of the elite these days:
http://tinyurl.com/6qdnqdr

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at April 27, 2012 01:21 PM (KCvsd)

82 Ask me about my collection of leather-bound Great Books.  They sent me one every month. 

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 27, 2012 01:22 PM (QKKT0)

83 I've long believed this to be true. The "elites" see the rest of us as barely above animals (if that) and as such we can't be expected to control ourselves. Hence the need for them to step in and take care of us or force us to do what they deem as best. Because they truly think we're too dumb to do it ourselves. Every single policy they push is predicated on this basic idea.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 01:22 PM (qFpRI)

84 I'm starting to believe i'm real after all...

Posted by: ace's non-existant editor [/i] [/b] at April 27, 2012 01:22 PM (ebPtk)

85 And now you understand how I keep getting movies made....

Posted by: Woody Allen at April 27, 2012 01:23 PM (XBdI0)

86 This in essense is a point I've been making for years and explains why liberalism is a mental disorder. It is the uncanny ability to processthe same information as everybody else and come up with precisely the wrong answer, each and every time, consistently and without fail. Posted by: LGoPs at April 27, 2012 05:14 PM (lHn6+) In a society whose prevalent mores are wrong, either technically or morally, rebellion is rational and, in fact, has succeeded wildly. The proper lesson to take from this is that bad ideas must be opposed, even if you're outnumbered. The lesson casual liberals take from this is that the majority must always be opposed. The "bad idea" part is stripped out. The "leadership" are more cynical, and just spend their efforts trying to define "the majority" carefully as "not us," so the mass of airheads will follow their leaders and attack modern Western civilization instead of turning back on the leftists in power. One of the reasons people confuse Libertarians with Liberals is that the LP also has this reactionary reflex, except they *usually* have opposed whoever is in power - post 2000-2001 they had an influx of left-libs and they never really got back on swing after that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 27, 2012 01:23 PM (bxiXv)

87 anything that smacks of mass-appeal is to be automatically despised

Christ on a crutch, my 15 year old daughter gets how silly this is.  Of course, I am of the intellectual aristocracy, so bite me mediocre people.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 01:23 PM (6TB1Z)

88 Where's the Bear?

Posted by: What's Orange and Weeps? at April 27, 2012 01:23 PM (CP+yl)

89 I was very pleased that Commentary took that article out from behind the paywall.  And I thought it was a good piece, but I also thought it left out a very important aspect of "How the Highbrows Killed Culture", because of course they did.

Mr. Seigel does not discuss how, in the late 60s and after, "high art" went from consisting of beautiful things to increasingly freakish and ugly things.

Of course this served to further alienate the majority of the people.

However, it also served, and continues to serve, to indicate that those who fancy themselves our betters are increasingly just a bunch of well heeled nincompoops.

And, of this class of people, there has never been nor will there ever be a better avatar than Barack Obama.  Truly he is the apotheosis of the new, meritocratic, post-post-modern, high-culture man.

They have reached the mountain top.  It is time to push them down the side.

Posted by: jocon307 at April 27, 2012 01:24 PM (QDPDH)

90 This was intended to depress the capitalist running dogs and hasten world Communism.

Not unlike Mike.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 01:25 PM (6TB1Z)

91 Paul Fussel's book Class is a great read (funny and incisive) on the "Class Structure." A bit dated (pre-internet), it still exposes timeless truths about class in America. It can be found at the AoSHQ Amazon book store at:

http://astore.amazon.com/aoshq-20/detail/0671792253

Posted by: Guy Who Reads a Lot at April 27, 2012 01:25 PM (7+pP9)

92 The "elites" see the rest of us as barely above animals (if that) and as such we can't be expected to control ourselves. Hence the need for them to step in and take care of us or force us to do what they deem as best. Because they truly think we're too dumb to do it ourselves. Every single policy they push is predicated on this basic idea.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 05:22 PM (qFpRI)

-----------------


Having forsaken the idea that every man is made in the image of God, they seek to re-create man in their own . 

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 01:25 PM (P6QsQ)

93 This puts me in mind of Sarah Palin.

Now, you might not like her.  You may have very good reasons not to.

But the Left doesn't.

The Left is very good at identifying betes noires to attack and setting up memes that fellow lefties can use for ridicule.  So, they don't have to articulate any sort of problems with Sarah Palin, they just have to Maher her.

By that I mean you tell some unfunny "joke" that identifies you as an opponent of today's Emmanuel Goldstein.  You see it all the time, probably with your families and coworkers.  They're clearly intended to be jokes, you can tell by their own forced laugh, but it's also not meant to start a discussion or even provoke a response.

Now you can argue why the Left decided that Sarah Palin was Enemy #1 (attacked Obama effectively, a woman, class distinctions) but you can't argue that she got the Maher treatment in spades.  You never had to articulate any problem with her, she's just the enemy and for you to be a good guy, you only had to mock her.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 27, 2012 01:25 PM (T0NGe)

94

"SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) - Ever since taking office last year as the nation's first Hispanic female governor, New Mexico's Susana Martinez found her family tree scrutinized over whether her grandfather was an illegal immigrant.

Immigration documents obtained by The Associated Press, however, reveal a fact not even Martinez herself knew: Her Mexican-born grandfather was lawfully admitted to the U.S. as a permanent resident and later became a citizen in 1942."http://tinyurl.com/86kh8ya

Posted by: . at April 27, 2012 01:26 PM (oZfic)

95 And, of this class of people, there has never been nor will there ever be a better avatar than Barack Obama. Truly he is the apotheosis of the new, meritocratic, post-post-modern, high-culture man.

Ain't nuthin' meritocratic about Barack.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 01:26 PM (6TB1Z)

96
However, it also served, and continues to serve, to indicate that those who fancy themselves our betters are increasingly just a bunch of well heeled nincompoops.


"Depraved lunatics and idiots," is more like it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 27, 2012 01:26 PM (X3lox)

97 >>I thought the beauty of the Hot Pocket was that you didn't have to get them drunk?

Winnah.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 27, 2012 01:26 PM (/kI1Q)

98 I've long believed this to be true. The "elites" see the rest of us as barely above animals (if that) and as such we can't be expected to control ourselves. Hence the need for them to step in and take care of us or force us to do what they deem as best. Because they truly think we're too dumb to do it ourselves. Every single policy they push is predicated on this basic idea.

****

And if a little money happens to fall into their pocket while they're helping us, so much the better.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 27, 2012 01:26 PM (Hx5uv)

99 17 Hence the endgame of modern progressivism: a feudal society where the Right-Thinking are the only ones allowed to live as people do today and everyone else is their slaves. Unfortunately for tens of millions of registered Democrats, if that happens the ranks of the non-slaves are going to be a lot smaller than they think.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 27, 2012 05:01 PM (tqwMN)

The Left has never been against slavery.  They just object to who exactly is the slaveowner.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 27, 2012 01:26 PM (T0NGe)

100 “hordes of men and women without a spiritual country…without taste, without standards but those of the mob.”



OWSers?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 01:27 PM (UOM48)

101 USA Today published an "on-the-scene" interview of me and some friends at the Albertville Olympics. Almost a third of a page long. Very cool memento. Other than that it's just another paper, but with extra blandness.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2012 01:27 PM (hiMsy)

102 I'm confused. Is this non-sequitur night?
Ask the penguin on the unicycle.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 27, 2012 01:27 PM (nU/dt)

103 Immigration documents obtained by The Associated Press, however, reveal a
fact not even Martinez herself knew: Her Mexican-born grandfather was
lawfully admitted to the U.S. as a permanent resident and later became a
citizen in 1942."http://tinyurl.com/86kh8ya

Posted by: . at April 27, 2012 05:26 PM (oZfic)



That's not right.  The AP doesn't do any research on their stories.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 27, 2012 01:28 PM (UK9cE)

104 So much so that I REFUSE to read much philosophy. Which leads to even more disdainful sniffery at not having read the Great Thinkers, which is how these powdered douchestockings see themselves. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2012 05:18 PM (APmL9) Intellectuals by Paul Johnson, if you haven't already read it. Jacket fluff like "A devastating and often hilarious dissection of egghead hubris , pomposity and malice." Chapter title: "Jean-Paul Sartre: A Little Ball of Fur and Ink."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 27, 2012 01:28 PM (bxiXv)

105 Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 05:25 PM (P6QsQ) Exactly, mama.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 01:28 PM (qFpRI)

106 This would make a good idea for a story.  Call it something like "The Emperor's New Clothes."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 27, 2012 01:29 PM (DuH+r)

107 Our "elites" dream romantically about Chinese governance and Indian Caste - their dream world.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 27, 2012 01:29 PM (X3lox)

108 >>anything that smacks of mass-appeal is to be
automatically despised

Although let's not go too far the other way here: there's a whole fucking lot of "mass appeal" stuff that deserves to be despised.  Kardashians, Kaynes, sparkly vampires, Barack Obama.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 27, 2012 01:29 PM (/kI1Q)

109

Whatever, it's still all BOOOSH's fault!

 

Posted by: Most recent liberal shibboleth at April 27, 2012 01:29 PM (1Rgee)

110 THAR' SHE BLOWS!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 27, 2012 01:29 PM (ebPtk)

111

re: wine and status

 

True story.  Years ago in California, I was working with a hardcore lib who thought he had exquisite tastes.  We went to the liquor store and bought some wine...he spent $30 on some French cabernet, and I found a bottle of Barefoot Cab on sale for 3 or 4 bucks.  Did a blind taste test to see which one he liked better...he chose the cheap stuff.  When I revealed which wine he liked better he said "well, I still think mine's better" with an embarassed look on his face.  Tool.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 27, 2012 01:29 PM (YbQJm)

112

It's important for the peasants to think I am cool. ...We have been programming them to recognize "what is cool", for a long time.

 

All I have to do...is fit the profile of "cool", and the useful idiots little people think I'm cool. ...Easy peazy for the Preezy of the United Steezy.

Posted by: King Barky, Dog Gobbler at April 27, 2012 01:29 PM (O4AQQ)

113 The radicals in the 1960s did a lot to destroy high art, culture, fashion, and manners in the US. Really if one looks at everything from about World War One forward, the radicals did everything they could to undermine any aspects of civilization which would get in the way of establishing a new order. It sounds conspiratorial, but it is true. Religion, history, culture and civilization had to be swept away in order to allow the new order to take over without challenge.

Posted by: The recession at April 27, 2012 05:19 PM (KCvsd)


Yes, they have been hellbent on that goal and to replace what was civilization and civilized behavior with the crude, no talent, brainless shit we have today.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 27, 2012 01:30 PM (1Jaio)

114 “hordes of men and women without a spiritual country…without taste, without standards but those of the mob.”



OWSers?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 05:27 PM (UOM4


Congressional Black Caucus?

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 27, 2012 01:30 PM (Hx5uv)

115

The lesson casual liberals take from this is that the majority must always be opposed. The "bad idea" part is stripped out. The "leadership" are more cynical, and just spend their efforts trying to define "the majority" carefully as "not us," so the mass of airheads will follow their leaders and attack modern Western civilization instead of turning back on the leftists in power.<<<

 

Or these fucking simpletons turn 180 degrees and claim they're the 99% and hence, ARE the majority.

 

Heads, I win - Tails, shut up.

 

Intellectual elite, indeed.*

 

*I hate motherfuckers that say "indeed."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2012 01:30 PM (APmL9)

116 And of course when it comes to elite intellectuals no one disdains the hoi polloi quite like Bernard Henri Levy. So it's always exquisitely beautiful when ace takes him down

http://fwd4.me/0zOY

Posted by: Mætenloch at April 27, 2012 01:31 PM (pAlYe)

117 It's hip to be square.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 27, 2012 01:31 PM (YbQJm)

118 there's a whole fucking lot of "mass appeal" stuff that deserves to be despised. Kardashians, Kaynes, sparkly vampires, Barack Obama.

True, but it is to be despised because it's crap, not because of who else likes it.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 01:31 PM (6TB1Z)

119 there's a whole fucking lot of "mass appeal" stuff that deserves to be despised

I actually disagree, because that's the start of the slippery slope to becoming a humorless liberal.  If Kardashian can convince stupid people with money to willingly give her that money, good for her.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 27, 2012 01:31 PM (tqwMN)

120

In addition to being elitists, the Left is also completely authoritarian. And that leads me to the following:

It's common knowledge that many, if not most, adolescents are rebellious. And the answer is pretty simple - they are rebelling against what they view as authoritarian parents, even if only in their own minds. I wasn't particularly rebellious because my parents were pretty cool and reasonable with me. Dad was a bit harsher but mom was a stabilizing influence on the few occasions he got unreasonable. My wife, in comparison, had a very authoritarian father and rebelled against him. She is a strong conservative but I do understand why she rebelled at the time.

That having been said, you would think that with the Left's increasing domination of all aspects of life, from culture to governance, combined with its heavy handed authoritarian nature, that the bulk of the country would be on the verge of rebellion. If for no other reason than it is basic human nature for most people to want to be left the fuck alone.

"Dont' Tread on Me" translated into today's vernacular is "Don't Fuck with Me"

And I think that should resound with anyone that isn't an out and out sheep or some other variety of domesticated farm animal.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 27, 2012 01:32 PM (lHn6+)

121

OT :

The Mobile Fidelity Pressing of Faith No More's 'Angel Dust' is just  awesome. 

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2012 01:32 PM (VwrfQ)

122 Congressional Black Caucus?

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 27, 2012 05:30 PM (Hx5uv)

 

 

Some lib was telling me how great the Dems are for having the CBC...I said "ooh, that's cute...do they get their own drinking fountain too?"  He wasn't amused.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 27, 2012 01:32 PM (YbQJm)

123

Intellectuals by Paul Johnson, if you haven't already read it.<<<

 

That sounds right up my alley. Thanks, I'll pick it up.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2012 01:32 PM (APmL9)

124

“have lost the power to be individuals. They have become social insects like bees and ants.”

If that is truly so, then why?  Maybe it's because that's what the compulsory government school system was designed to produce.

Posted by: rockhead at April 27, 2012 01:33 PM (jtTKf)

125 What the hell is a Kardashian?  Is that like a gay Klingon?

Posted by: model_1066 at April 27, 2012 01:33 PM (YbQJm)

126 *I hate motherfuckers that say "indeed."

****

I am planning a self improvement regimen that includes more use of air quotes.  That way people will know that I am smart.  Indeed.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 27, 2012 01:34 PM (Hx5uv)

127 Posted by: model_1066 at April 27, 2012 05:29 PM (YbQJm) I have a relative that does the wine connoisseur crap and we catch him in this trap quite regularly. He has what my mother so graciously called "yacht club taste on a row boat ass."

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 01:34 PM (qFpRI)

128 An interesting read is the book "Intellectuals" by Paul Johnson. Johnson shows the reality of leading thinkers of the past and not so long ago - showing them up as the self-serving, self-absorbed pricks that our "betters" usually try to hide.
(Especially love the evisceration of Hemingway. What an unlovely bastard).

Posted by: tubal at April 27, 2012 01:34 PM (BoE3Z)

129 Macdonald would be a troll if alive today.

Posted by: Jean at April 27, 2012 01:34 PM (/FT0A)

130 This reminds me of a TV show I saw quite a while ago: A psychologist set up an experiment in a boarding school for wealthy kids. He collected about 10 7th or 8th graders and told them that they had been picked to be the special committee that directed all students. The shrink asked them what they would do first and one of them said they needed to pick a leader for the group and volunteered to be the one. Of course there followed a great deal of squabbling and after they finally got it sorted out the shrink asked what next. One kid said they needed to make a schedule for all the students and give them chores to do for the committee; they all agreed. The shrink asked what was the second high priority item and one kid said it was urgent that they make a rule that no one else could ever be in the committee; they all agreed.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 27, 2012 01:36 PM (g1fN1)

131 Or these fucking simpletons turn 180 degrees and claim they're the 99% and hence, ARE the majority. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2012 05:30 PM (APmL9) The same people who claim to be the 99% will claim to be rebelling against "society." Because, you know, fucktards. It really all seems to come down to Daddy issues most days.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 27, 2012 01:36 PM (bxiXv)

132 As a rather under-appreciated musician from England once said, 'It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave. And keep on thinking free'.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at April 27, 2012 05:35 PM (phlKA)


But they have miles and miles of pretty files of your forefathers' fruit...

Posted by: Mætenloch at April 27, 2012 01:36 PM (pAlYe)

133
So much so that I REFUSE to read much philosophy. Which leads to even more disdainful sniffery at not having read the Great Thinkers, which is how these powdered douchestockings see themselves.

Yeah, my sleeve length is longer than my inseam. When I want your Great Thoughts, I'll split your fuckin head open and serve myself, Poindexter.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2012 05:18 PM (APmL9)


Tsk, tsk.

Your formula of hate + anti-knowledge is detrimental to yourself. But it does aid the Left, who gleefully pounce upon your predilections to reinforce their claims that all conservatives are Philistine knuckle-draggers.

I mean, if you want to fuel the Left Wing's memes it's up to you. But if you take a mere moment or two you'll realize that it's counter-productive.

Posted by: Guy Who Reads a Lot at April 27, 2012 01:37 PM (7+pP9)

134 Intellectuals by Paul Johnson, if you haven't already read it.

Thanks for the recommendation, just had it sent to my Kindle.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 27, 2012 01:37 PM (tqwMN)

135 Yes, the arrogance of my colleagues at local State U. (and their inherent stupidity) are what finally turned me off to liberals. They are an empty husk of the camp or irony movement of the '60s, but that record has playing for fifty years. If I see one more tie-dye shirt, hear one more Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho chant or version of Imagine, I will scream.

There's no there there anymore and there hasn't been for many years. That's why I call Obama "The Last Liberal" -- he is just the avatar for a very old, used up tradition. He is the end of it, not the beginning.

Posted by: PJ at April 27, 2012 01:37 PM (DQHjw)

136 Was Dwight Macdonald Too Mild in Regarding The Common Man as "Subhuman"?

Posted by: NPR Headlines at April 27, 2012 01:38 PM (eHIJJ)

137 Hence the h8tred for the Tea Party.

Liberals:  How dare those commoners read bills and dare ask us questions!

Bet liberals bi!ch about Gore inventing that darn inner-net thingy and eliminating some of the secrecy they enjoyed.

Posted by: Deli LLama at April 27, 2012 01:38 PM (uv9eO)

138 I think some of you folks have things a bit backwards.  The self-proclaimed elite believe that they can define what is mass-appeal.  They don't oppose it.  They usually can't actually do anything, anyway, so they try to glom onto whatever they think is going to have mass-appeal, or does, and try to ride that out. 

The problem, of course, is that they are totally twisted personalities and generally pretty fucking stupid people who shouldn't be entrusted with the care of a pet dog, let anything of serious consequence.  But, we are a certificate society and the certificates are printed up like fiat currency on a binge.  That is what is killing things.  The degradation in demands and standards, which all grew out of the "civil rights" stuff that people are so loathe to even say one wrong word about.

Barky is the poster-child for affirmative action and anti-meritricious national policy.  He is the death of America.  For our illusory, bullshit sins.  Amazing.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 27, 2012 01:39 PM (X3lox)

139 The liberal must hate our society because to do so makes him more visionary than the rest of us.

Posted by: nickless at April 27, 2012 01:39 PM (MMC8r)

140 The Average Man Is Really Pretty Horrible

Posted by: NPR Headlines at April 27, 2012 01:39 PM (eHIJJ)

141 Call it "Revenge of the Beta Males."

They hate a self-made man because they have not the will, the energy, the intellect nor the aptitude to be self-made. It's a nuclear reactor of envy that burns at their core. They murmur, wander and stumble about and settle into a muck where their ego meets their abilities: Academia and government.

Today: They hate Romney because he is a self-made rich yet, were enthusiastic about John Kerry--just as rich. Their Obama can speak as though he was poor and struggling in the days he pulled down over $200,000 a year. And on and on: The party run by the rich and pretends it not rich.

Posted by: jimmuy at April 27, 2012 01:39 PM (kSaUf)

142

We had to crucify that Palin woman. ...Had to. ...We can't have the Republicans putting a woman that near the white house. Ever. That would be a game changer.

 

We are the only ones who care about women and women's rights. So we have to make an example out of any woman who threatens our territory.

Posted by: King Barky, Dog Gobbler at April 27, 2012 01:39 PM (O4AQQ)

143 . .  and now to suit our great computer, you're magnetic ink.

Posted by: What's Orange and Weeps? at April 27, 2012 01:40 PM (CP+yl)

144

The Average Man Is Really Pretty Horrible

 

You should smell them in July!

Posted by: Harry Reid (D) at April 27, 2012 01:40 PM (VwrfQ)

145 I REFUSE to read much philosophy..


Otto: Apes don't read philosophy.
Wanda: Yes, they do Otto, they just don't understand it.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 01:40 PM (6TB1Z)

146 I've often wondered what makes people desire to feel they are *better* than other folks.

This idea that elitists cling to of closed social circles, made up of the *right* kind of people, who are, of course, all *better* than the common person, is completely foreign to me.

What kind of a person defines, seeks, and relentlessly pursues happiness in the form of perpetually feeding a superiority complex? Someone very insecure about themselves, and, exceptionally narcissistic.

Isn't there something else *other* than feeling superior that makes you happy?




Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 27, 2012 01:40 PM (0q2P7)

147 Bees And Ants Are More Useful And Productive Than The Common Man

Posted by: NPR Headlines at April 27, 2012 01:40 PM (eHIJJ)

148 T.R. = Big Stick
B.H.O. = Tiny Twig

Any questions?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica City DMV at April 27, 2012 01:41 PM (vv85S)

149 Re: Book reccommendations - sorry I'm never awake for the Sunday Book Thread.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 27, 2012 01:41 PM (bxiXv)

150 There's no there there anymore and there hasn't been for many years. That's why I call Obama "The Last Liberal" -- he is just the avatar for a very old, used up tradition. He is the end of it, not the beginning.

Posted by: PJ at April 27, 2012 05:37 PM (DQHjw)


I like that.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 27, 2012 01:41 PM (T0NGe)

151 This post is a bit heady for a Friday afternoon.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 27, 2012 01:41 PM (84JKc)

152 anti-meritricious national policy

Ain't nothing anti-meretricious about Barry.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 01:42 PM (6TB1Z)

153 Is Alton Brown a moron? - http://twitter.com/#!/altonbrown/status/195990759843958784

Posted by: booger at April 27, 2012 01:42 PM (HI6wa)

154 I went golfing once in college and my buddy and I got paired up with some snobby assholes with the thousand dollar Ping irons and fancy golf clothes.  We were wearing shorts, sandals and drinking beer but ended up kicking their asses all over the course with shitty rental clubs.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 27, 2012 01:42 PM (YbQJm)

155 Does The Common Man Need To Be Spat Upon Or Pissed On: Sociology Expert Dwight Macdonald Reveals The Answer

Posted by: NPR Headlines at April 27, 2012 01:43 PM (eHIJJ)

156 Communism is just a way to reestablish the old aristocracy that once existed based on wealth and blood, its why it appeals so much to the elites around the world. There is nothing more disdainful then Capitalism which allows the individual to excel and class barriers to be shattered.   

Posted by: Drew in MO at April 27, 2012 01:43 PM (KeFbr)

157 148 I've often wondered what makes people desire to feel they are *better* than other folks.

See my #31.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 01:43 PM (6TB1Z)

158 He has what my mother so graciously called "yacht club taste on a row boat ass."

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 05:34 PM (qFpRI




I am so stealing that.  *makes mental note who to apply it to*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 01:44 PM (UOM48)

159 What pisses me off the most about intellectual elitism is the sheer foppish absurdity of all that deep thinkin'. These motherfuckers make a VIRTUE of having nothing to say that is either informed by, or likely to make an impact on, the real world.

So much so that I REFUSE to read much philosophy. Which leads to even more disdainful sniffery at not having read the Great Thinkers, which is how these powdered douchestockings see themselves.

Yeah, my sleeve length is longer than my inseam. When I want your Great Thoughts, I'll split your fuckin head open and serve myself, Poindexter.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2012 05:18 PM (APmL9)

 

This is philosophy... and Iike it

Posted by: Baraka AoS at April 27, 2012 01:44 PM (nTgAI)

160

*I hate motherfuckers that say "indeed."

 

Indeed.

Posted by: Spock at April 27, 2012 01:44 PM (O4AQQ)

161 SOCK OFF

Posted by: The Jackhole at April 27, 2012 01:44 PM (nTgAI)

162 In the Proper Hands Barbarism Isn't All That Unpleasant

Posted by: NPR Headlines at April 27, 2012 01:44 PM (eHIJJ)

163 While I'm in the intellectual class, I've kept the common touch.

Posted by: the angel of death in a funny hat at April 27, 2012 01:45 PM (NG097)

164 78 Which wine goes best with Hot Pockets?


Posted by: Cicero at April 27, 2012 05:08 PM (QKKT0)

White Port and Lemon Juice

Posted by: Speedo Gonzalez at April 27, 2012 01:46 PM (SV4OI)

165 Indeed.

Posted by: teal'c at April 27, 2012 01:46 PM (NG097)

166 Face It America: You Suck

Posted by: NPR Headlines at April 27, 2012 01:46 PM (eHIJJ)

167 154 Is Alton Brown a moron? - http://twitter.com/#!/altonbrown/status/195990759843958784 Posted by: booger at April 27, 2012 05:42 PM (HI6wa) I don't know, but I do know he owns and enjoys shooting "dastardly assault weapons," including an FN SCAR 5.56. While the show is written by writers and not by him, and it seems to have the usual "Public TV style" left-culture drops, he does live in Georgia and not California, NY or Canada like so many other TV personalities. He might also just like pudding. The Twitter label is "Savage Hunter of Innocent Cinnamon Buns."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 27, 2012 01:46 PM (bxiXv)

168 155 I went golfing once in college and my buddy and Igot paired up with some snobby assholes with the thousand dollar Ping irons and fancy golf clothes. We were wearing shorts, sandals and drinking beer but ended up kicking their asses all over the course with shitty rental clubs.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 27, 2012 05:42 PM (YbQJm




I have a feeling my kid with his hand-me-down clubs (with the ground hog  club covers) could easily beat Barky's ass on the course.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 01:46 PM (UOM48)

169

Speaking of pretentiousness that I hate, I sometime will order a fine wine in a nice restaurant. I will pick one that has particularly un-grapelike descriptions, e.g., hint of choclate and blackberries or something like that.

When I get the wine I taste it and call the waiter over and complain that somehow my wine has been infested with grapes and that's all I can taste.

My wife doesn't particularly like it when I do this. But I do it anyway.

Because I am evil. And an unsuffistikated roob.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 27, 2012 01:47 PM (lHn6+)

170

Your formula of hate + anti-knowledge is detrimental to yourself. But it does aid the Left, who gleefully pounce upon your predilections to reinforce their claims that all conservatives are Philistine knuckle-draggers.<<<

 

I never said I didn't read. Highlights is a fine publication.

 

I said I refuse to read *much* philosophy.  Enough to get the broad strokes. But if the philosophical premise is stupid on its face, why would I waste my living hours on that bullshit?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2012 01:47 PM (JDIKC)

171 My parents were very well off, and I had many privileges growing up. I actually do know what fork to use, even if they're four at my place setting. I went to a small women's liberal arts college. I spent my junior year abroad. I became a teacher. Almost everyone who knows me presumes, given my background, that I'm liberal. In fact, I'm staunchly conservative, and I always have been. I am a passionate believer that education can bring culture and refinement to everyone who wishes to to have it, no matter what his or her background, and I do all in my power to instill both in my students. The attitude portrayed in this article sickens me.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 27, 2012 01:47 PM (4839r)

172 I've often wondered what makes people desire to feel they are *better* than other folks.

There's nothing wrong with good competition.  For just about anything.  That's human.

The problem with the Left isn't just that they think they're better (they really don't and are just self-hating guilt-ridden lunatics, but that's another story) than anyone, but that they are clearly, demonstrably WORSE than just about everyone else.  I don't mind a world record holder thinking he's better than the others.  I'm offended and repulsed by a third-stringer who likes to act as if he's better than anyone, let alone everyone.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 27, 2012 01:47 PM (X3lox)

173 There has always been a form of pseudo-intellectualism that is based more on a pretense of what you like and dislike, and what you can quote, than any actual form of substance.  It's the Emperor's New Clothes, it's the hipster mentality, and that we see it in the supposedly high-minded Left is sadly unsurprising.

What this is not about is actual ideas that work, nor making the world better, nor anything with a basis in reality.  All of this is merely the effort of a group of people that thinks itself better than others to try to get others to accept their delusions of grandeur.

True intellectualism comes from being well read, well versed in the successes and failures of history, and the ability to form your own informed opinions on a variety of subjects.  It comes from knowledge - whether learned formally, self-educated, or learned by experience - and by grasping the subject at hand, without resorting to mindlessly regurgitating a consensus opinion or the work of some self-proclaimed expert you don't understand.  I don't see a lot of that coming out of the Left these days.

And the fact that we see so little genuine intellectualism out of the Left probably has something to do with why they haven't had an original idea in at least forty years.  Instead, we get more creating bureaucracies designed to take a cut of what they rob from Peter to pay Paul with, until the bureaucracy is engorged on its ill-gotten gains and both Peter and Paul are both bled white in the name of equality.

-Liberius Cato,
Somewhat-Pretentious Conservative Intellectual (but at least I can admit it)

Posted by: Cato at April 27, 2012 01:47 PM (3ucH8)

174 69
What pisses me off the most about intellectual elitism is the sheer foppish absurdity of all that deep thinkin'. These motherfuckers make a VIRTUE of having nothing to say that is either informed by, or likely to make an impact on, the real world.

So much so that I REFUSE to read much philosophy. Which leads to even more disdainful sniffery at not having read the Great Thinkers, which is how these powdered douchestockings see themselves.

Yeah, my sleeve length is longer than my inseam. When I want your Great Thoughts, I'll split your fuckin head open and serve myself, Poindexter.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2012 05:18 PM (APmL9)



Good gawd you are funny!  You are on fire man!

Posted by: NIPPP at April 27, 2012 01:48 PM (0oYHO)

175 29Which wine goes best with Hot Pockets?
Posted by: Cicero at April 27, 2012 05:08 PM (QKKT0) Riunite on ice! Posted by: model_1066

It's nice.

Posted by: Dang at April 27, 2012 01:48 PM (Ky1+e)

176 I'm always struck by not only how smart elites think they are but how it's out of whack with how smart they really are.

You go through four years of college, you never even take a math course or, frankly, any course with objective content and think that you're brilliant.

The worst of it is that the cultural markers that they set down to identify one as brilliant is taken up by people who just want to appear that way.


Posted by: AmishDude at April 27, 2012 01:48 PM (T0NGe)

177


 

"Everything they say, and everything they do, is calculated towards one specific purpose, one unchanging goal: To differentiate themselves from their "common" fellows, and, by differentiating themselves, in conspicuous demonstrations of anti-common sentiment, declare and affirm themselves to be members of the New Aristocracy."

 

This is as good a description as any I've read of the many liberal assholes I've met in my life.

Oh, raising chickens makes you what again? Better than me?

Fucking hate those assholes and their arugula.

Ramps man, wild ramps, delicious you fat pig Mario Batali, but you're better than me bro, with your 1% lifestyle.

There is a chef named Michael Symon, he lacks the pretentious shitbagginess of that fat blimp Batali...

And his food is great.

 

Posted by: rev dr e buzz at April 27, 2012 01:48 PM (tcSZb)

178

ItÂ’s true that the best example of this is the treatment of Palin, but letÂ’s not forget that it wasnÂ’t only the liberalsÂ…

 

If you were going to be accepted by the elites of the Republican Party, you needed to attack her too.  It was the price of admission for hobnobbing with the fellow wizards.

 

Posted by: jwest at April 27, 2012 01:48 PM (ZDsRL)

179 Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 27, 2012 05:47 PM (4839r)

Well said.

Can you show us your rack now?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 27, 2012 01:49 PM (nEUpB)

180 "The Common Man: Threat or Menace?" Why capitalism and our democratic republic have failed.

Posted by: NYT Headline at April 27, 2012 01:49 PM (g1fN1)

181 Hey, MandyP, my mom called that "champagne tastes on a beer budget," LOL.

(And Thank you, AmishDude)

Posted by: PJ at April 27, 2012 01:49 PM (DQHjw)

182 # 157
Yes that's true - Communism is always aristocratic. Extremely so. The leader is always an absolute Monarch, in the vein of Ivan the Terrible. And he always has a sycophantic nobility under him. And incidentally, it's always a "he" at the top. An intellectual more highly evolved thinker than I, cause after all I'm just some middle-class piece of shit, could take these facts and develop them. I'll just sit back and vegetate with my Bible and guns until I'm enlightened.

Posted by: tubal-dumb white porch monkey at April 27, 2012 01:49 PM (BoE3Z)

183 "some of their earliest works takes me back to moments in time I never want to forget."

Couldn't have said it better.

Posted by: What's Orange and Weeps? at April 27, 2012 01:49 PM (CP+yl)

184 >>>So much so that I REFUSE to read much philosophy. Which leads to even more disdainful sniffery at not having read the Great Thinkers, which is how these powdered douchestockings see themselves.


You ought to give Aristotle a shot EoJ. He's good. BTW, Locke and two treatises of government? Yup philosophy. The Federalist? Also philosophy.

Like this little gem.

“If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.” 

Philosophy

Or this one

"It has been said that all Government is an evil.  It would be more proper to say that the necessity of any Government is a misfortune.  This necessity however exists; and the problem to be solved is, not what form of Government is perfect, but which of the forms is least imperfect."

Philosophy

My favorite from Aristotle:
But on the other hand, since it is an impossible thing that those who are able to use or to resist force should be willing to remain always in subjection, from this point of view the persons are the same; for those who carry arms can always determine the fate of the constitution.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 27, 2012 01:50 PM (0q2P7)

185 'You cannot have ze duck.  You can have ze chicken.'

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2012 01:50 PM (VwrfQ)

186 181 I could. but it's covered by a camisole...

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 27, 2012 01:50 PM (4839r)

187 I am not sure the left is really that deep philosophically, I keep seeing leftists who think themselves very clever and intelligent repeating the hilarious statement that, "The truth just has a liberal bias." It seems to be an all purpose justification for leftist twittery and allows for them to not actually think about anything. Dominating the media and academia is really making the left very intellectually lazy.

Posted by: Drew in MO at April 27, 2012 01:51 PM (KeFbr)

188 Posted by: rev dr e buzz at April 27, 2012 05:48 PM (tcSZb)

I love one of Batali's restaurants. It's called Otto, and it is a a blast in every way. Great wine list, great cocktails, great pastas and pizzas and snacks, and most of all a really fun, raucous place to go.

But he came out in support of the OWS assholes, so fuck him..I'll keep my money.

And you are correct, Symon can cook.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 27, 2012 01:51 PM (nEUpB)

189 My lib NYC s-i-l is an engineer, graduated from a Top School, and gets her "news" from the Daily Show and NYT. 

It's sad, actually.  Plus, she told me a few years ago (after she married husband #3, who is fairly wealthy) that we should all be taxed 80% of our income to provide free college educations for everyone.

She's off with #3 for another three month vacay to some exotic land.  How I wish she'd stay there.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 01:51 PM (UOM48)

190 I've got friends in low places....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 27, 2012 01:52 PM (BziWT)

191 Alligator Mouth with a Humingbird's Ass

Posted by: What's Orange and Weeps? at April 27, 2012 01:52 PM (CP+yl)

192 Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 27, 2012 05:50 PM (4839r)


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 27, 2012 01:53 PM (nEUpB)

193

Liberals have a God Complex.

 

They aspire to the greatness of a High Being and since they don't actually believe in God, they have taken on the mantle and use their intellectual curiousity to seek what is better, culturally, to elevate humanity to God-like status, not to seek what is good.

 

That explains, I think, the arrogance and ultimately the pathetic existence that they live. How can one be happy when one is never good enough to be God?

 

Pardon me while a crack a PBR.

 

Posted by: ErikW at April 27, 2012 01:53 PM (LwG3i)

194 I love one of Batali's restaurants. It's called Otto, and it is a a blast in every way. Great wine list, great cocktails, great pastas and pizzas and snacks, and most of all a really fun, raucous place to go.

But he came out in support of the OWS assholes, so fuck him..I'll keep my money.

And you are correct, Symon can cook.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 27, 2012 05:51 PM (nEUpB




I love you, but jeebus....ate at Otto's in NYC several years ago on the insistence of the s-i-l, and Worst. Pizza. Ever.  The service sucked, and I nearly broke a tooth on an olive.  Who knew it was cool to leave pits in olives on a pizza?? 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 01:54 PM (UOM48)

195

She's off with #3 for another three month vacay to some exotic land. How I wish she'd stay there.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 05:51 PM (UOM4

 

If they were taxed at 80% how could they afford to take three month vacations.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2012 01:54 PM (GULKT)

196 Now that you know my friends and that they are so much better than you, you can see why you should pay attention to me and click on my ghey pr0n links, you selfish bitches.

Posted by: , at April 27, 2012 01:54 PM (ggRof)

197 183 Hey, MandyP, my mom called that "champagne tastes on a beer budget," LOL. (And Thank you, AmishDude) Posted by: PJ at April 27, 2012 05:49 PM (DQHjw) Love it!! As I've gotten older I've realized that a lot of my mom's silly little phrases are surprisingly accurate summations of the world and the people I come across. Mom knew what the hell she was talking about!

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 01:55 PM (qFpRI)

198 Good Grief!

THE goddessoftheclassroom from LGF?

My, my. Haven't seen that nic for 3 years.

Posted by: What's Orange and Weeps? at April 27, 2012 01:55 PM (CP+yl)

199 I'm always struck by not only how smart elites think they are but how it's out of whack with how smart they really are.
Posted by: AmishDude


They do something like that with "talent."  Ever been to a party where everyone there is introduced as a "wonderful artist" or a "gifted musician" or some shit.  Then you ask what they do for a living.  They work at Starbucks.  And they aren't even a fucking barista,  yet.  *fingers crossed*  With libs,  it's always bullshit.

At a bar I was really sick of this crap and was talking to some chick and I asked what she did.  "I'm an actress,  a singer,  an artist..."  - I cut her off and asked her where she waited tables.  She looked surprised and told me the name of some shit restaurant.  A golden moment in time,  ladies and gentlemen.  Golden.

Posted by: Dang at April 27, 2012 01:57 PM (Ky1+e)

200 I have a bottle of marco negri in the frig, I think I'll drink some tonight with a cheese burger and cajun curly fries from the local greasy spoon.

Posted by: Drew in MO at April 27, 2012 01:57 PM (KeFbr)

201 "Re: 'By All Means, Let's Worry about Richard Grenell'"

http://tinyurl.com/6nfew48

"Two Perspectives On 'President Cool'"

http://tinyurl.com/725khro

The first one is just fascinating, the second one ties in beautifully with the lib/dem mindset.

Posted by: . at April 27, 2012 01:57 PM (oZfic)

202 @195

Erik W, they don't seek to elevate humanity to God-like status, they seek to elevate only themselves and their pretentious clique of like-minded indoctrinates.

Posted by: Cato at April 27, 2012 01:57 PM (3ucH8)

203 The attitude portrayed in this article sickens me. Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 27, 2012 05:47 PM (4839r) I wasn't going to say anything, but that's just not very clear. The attitude *portrayed* in the article? As in described by? Or as in the author? And if the author, do you mean Ace or Siegel of Commentary? The background is nice and everything, but it doesn't really tell us if you mean disdain of the common man is horrifying, or if disdain of the "hoi polloi separatists" is horrifying. I would assume the former from the implied "however," but it seems from some comments that's not the most common interpretation.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 27, 2012 01:57 PM (bxiXv)

204 173I've often wondered what makes people desire to feel they are *better* than other folks.

There's nothing wrong with good competition. For just about anything. That's human.

The problem with the Left isn't just that they think they're better (they really don't and are just self-hating guilt-ridden lunatics, but that's another story) than anyone, but that they are clearly, demonstrably WORSE than just about everyone else. I don't mind a world record holder thinking he's better than the others. I'm offended and repulsed by a third-stringer who likes to act as if he's better than anyone, let alone everyone.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 27, 2012 05:47 PM (X3lox)

 

My take is that the left NEEDS to think that they are better, all evidence to the contrary be damned.  Part mental disorder, part ego trip.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 27, 2012 01:58 PM (YbQJm)

205 Heh. The middle class investigated the culture of the elites, and found it empty and vapid.

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at April 27, 2012 01:58 PM (NVu2l)

206 >>>It's sad, actually. Plus, she told me a few years ago (after she married husband #3, who is fairly wealthy) that we should all be taxed 80% of our income to provide free college educations for everyone.

I usually counter that kind of insanity with "No what we should do is, if you get a post following your doctoral thesis, you get your student loans payed back by the University that gives you a post, and you take up the traditional monastic lifestyle, devoted to research and education, and receive no pay until retirement at 70"

That usually sends them into "Why would any one want to do that??!!!" I have no idea, I don't want to work for no pay either. But if service to the greater good in the form of education is such a universal element amongst the learned class, they should jump at this deal since it's better, by far, for the whole.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 27, 2012 01:59 PM (0q2P7)

207 Regarding the need to identify with an exclusive, aristocratic in-group, a mini-example:  I had a friend in college who loved Devo.  The minute they had mass appeal, he threw away his albums.

He really needed to think of himself as a cut above.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 27, 2012 01:59 PM (Iyg03)

208 We ate at Wolfgang Puck's Cut steakhouse in Vegas.

They bring various types of steak to the table.  Australian dry-aged, US dry-aged, and wagyu.

The wagyu was going for $150/lb. 

No one at our table ordered the wagyu, but jeebus, the bill.......

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 01:59 PM (UOM48)

209 81 I think this video sums up the idiocy of the elite these days:
http://tinyurl.com/6qdnqdr

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at April 27, 2012 05:21 PM (KCvsd)




ARGGGGGGGGG!  All the fucking 'uptalking' annoyed the hell out of me to start with.  Then listening to what they were saying?  I wanted to bitch slap each and every one of them!

Posted by: NIPPP at April 27, 2012 01:59 PM (0oYHO)

210 My weekend has begun...I've got that sunny bunny feelin'!

Posted by: model_1066 at April 27, 2012 02:00 PM (YbQJm)

211 Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 05:54 PM (UOM4

Who the fuck orders olives on pizza?

The last time I was there was just around when OWS fired up. I found out the next day that Batali was an asshole supporter of them, so that will be the last time.

But...too bad you had a bad meal. I have eaten there several times and it has always been fun, with almost always excellent food and always good service.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 27, 2012 02:00 PM (nEUpB)

212

Tangential, sort of, the cashier at the grocery store and I were discussing the cover of a local magazine this month, which was reviewing the 45 best food trucks in Seattle. I commented that I remember when most people didn't actually want to buy food from a "roach coach" and they served a very different market.

 

Now it's hip to eat at a food truck. It puzzles me. I can't decide if that makes me high, medium, or low brow.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 27, 2012 02:00 PM (RZ8pf)

213 In Judeo-Christian culture, Man traded immortality and paradise for the Knowledge of Good and Evil.  Modern Leftists believe that if they can return that knowledge through moral relativism, then they can return to the blissful ignorance of paradise.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 27, 2012 02:00 PM (X3lox)

214 Speaking of pretentiousness that I hate, I sometime will order a fine wine in a nice restaurant.

Once, when I was younger and poorer, we were visiting an old friend in CA and went to a very expensive French restaurant to celebrate.  There wasn't anyone at the table without a prestigious PdD in a hard science.  The sommelier came by and requested our wine preference.  My wife, who was raised in a blue collar home, looked over the wine list and being unable to speak french, asked for one of the cheaper wines using its number in the list.  He looked icily at us and said something along the lines of "very well, I shall bring you your #XX", making sure to let us know that only rubes ordered by number. 

We were having a good time so I let it go, but to this day I'd like to find that guy and ask him which is worse, ordering wines by the number, or being the guy who waits on people who order wine by the number?

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 02:00 PM (6TB1Z)

215 I'm offended and repulsed by a third-stringer who likes to act as if he's better than anyone, let alone everyone.

John F'n Kerry, in a nutshell.  He never did a non-treacherous thing in his whole miserable life.  But he marries a rich widow (who married inot money herself) and now he fancies himself some kind of Boston Brahmin.

Fucking piece of shit.

Posted by: Cicero at April 27, 2012 02:01 PM (QKKT0)

216

Bradley Ogden's is the plcae to go in Vegas.

... the Commander's Palace for Lunch.

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2012 02:01 PM (VwrfQ)

217 If every shitburger who ever tried to weasel their way out of a political argument with me by jibber-jabbering about motherfucking Heidegger or Foucault of Hasbro or whoever the fuck--mo had given me a hand jibber instead, I'd be Ron fucking Jeremy. I read all the biggies, kept maybe two or three books, never even consider the other d-bags anymore.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2012 02:01 PM (hiMsy)

218 >>>There's nothing wrong with good competition. For just about anything. That's human.

Sure and I love to compete, I love to win, and hate hate hate to lose, but I certainly don't equate "I beat you at arbitrary measure X" as "I am somehow a superior person" I think doing that is both wildly inaccurate, and dangerous.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 27, 2012 02:01 PM (0q2P7)

219 Can someone tell me what a "porch monkey" is? I should know these things. Hell. I'm conservative... and I hang out here a lot. Why am I not being properly informed about these things? I have a reputation to maintain.

Posted by: Jay Bee at April 27, 2012 02:02 PM (Xwgt3)

220 203 "Re: 'By All Means, Let's Worry about Richard Grenell'"
http://tinyurl.com/6nfew48"Two Perspectives On 'President Cool'"
http://tinyurl.com/725khro
The first one is just fascinating, the second one ties in beautifully with the lib/dem mindset.

Posted by: . at April 27, 2012 05:57 PM (oZfic




I'm fascinated, curious.  How did you determine your cats were all libs/dems?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 02:02 PM (UOM48)

221 Anyone with any culture knows that Boones Farm or Red Ripple goes with Hot Pockets.. Unless of course its the Pizza ones, Thunderbird or Night train would be a better choice.  

Posted by: The Jackhole at April 27, 2012 02:02 PM (nTgAI)

222 In Judeo-Christian culture, Man traded immortality and paradise for the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Modern Leftists believe that if they can return that knowledge through moral relativism, then they can return to the blissful ignorance of paradise.

****

Paradise through idiocy!

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 27, 2012 02:02 PM (Hx5uv)

223 "Yankees are, to be nice, insufferable snobs.

Real people laugh."

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at April 27, 2012 05:58 PM (hXJOG)

Hey...Johnny Reb: Blow me.

And then blow me again or I'll send Sherman back to finish what he started.

;-

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 27, 2012 02:03 PM (nEUpB)

224 220 Bradley Ogden's is the plcae to go in Vegas.
... the Commander's Palace for Lunch.

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2012 06:01 PM (VwrfQ)


Sounds lovely. They still spit in the risotto when they're bored.

Posted by: tubal at April 27, 2012 02:03 PM (BoE3Z)

225 Obama goes "All NIXON"

Try this thought experiment: You decide to donate money to Mitt Romney. You want change in the Oval Office, so you engage in your democratic right to send a check.

Several days later, President Barack Obama, the most powerful man on the planet, singles you out by name. His campaign brands you a Romney donor, shames you for “betting against America,” and accuses you of having a “less-than-reputable” record. The message from the man who controls the Justice Department (which can indict you), the SEC (which can fine you), and the IRS (which can audit you), is clear: You made a mistake donating that money.

Are you worried?

Richard Nixon’s “enemies list” appalled the country for the simple reason that presidents hold a unique trust. Unlike senators or congressmen, presidents alone represent all Americans. Their powers—to jail, to fine, to bankrupt—are also so vast as to require restraint. Any president who targets a private citizen for his politics is de facto engaged in government intimidation and threats. This is why presidents since Nixon have carefully avoided the practice.

Save Mr. Obama, who acknowledges no rules. This past week, one of his campaign websites posted an item entitled “Behind the curtain: A brief history of Romney’s donors.” In the post, the Obama campaign named and shamed eight private citizens who had donated to his opponent. Describing the givers as all having “less-than-reputable records,” the post went on to make the extraordinary accusations that “quite a few” have also been “on the wrong side of the law” and profiting at “the expense of so many Americans.”

These are people like Paul Schorr and Sam and Jeffrey Fox, investors who the site outed for the crime of having “outsourced” jobs. T. Martin Fiorentino is scored for his work for a firm that forecloses on homes. Louis Bacon (a hedge-fund manager), Kent Burton (a “lobbyist”) and Thomas O’Malley (an energy CEO) stand accused of profiting from oil. Frank VanderSloot, the CEO of a home-products firm, is slimed as a “bitter foe of the gay rights movement.”

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 27, 2012 02:04 PM (e8kgV)

226
The liberal must hate our society because to do so makes him more visionary than the rest of us.

Posted by: nickless at April 27, 2012 05:39 PM (MMC8r)


Wow. Plus 1,000 on being both dead-on and succinct.

Thread winning material.

Posted by: Guy Who Reads a Lot at April 27, 2012 02:04 PM (7+pP9)

227 The chef who disappoints me the most is Paula Deen. I looooooove her country cooking. Her books are my go-to whenever I want to make somethingi grew up eating but either don't gave a recipe for or can't get a hold of the relative with the recipe. Paula's stuff is always super close if not exact to what my family makes. So her Jimmah Cahtah worship and throwing in with FLOTUS on the food nazi stuff makes me angry.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 02:04 PM (qFpRI)

228 . Curious you have the liberal mindset you take responsibility for nothing you are a perpetual victim and you lie about everything

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 27, 2012 02:04 PM (BziWT)

229 210
That is hipsterism at its finest, I had a friend in high school who would do the same stupid shit. Any time something become popular he would immediately dislike it. Hipsters are some of the most useless people in the world, and can be commonly found sitting at a trendy downtown non-chain coffee shop wearing stupid hats they got from their grandparents while typing out a novel that will never quite get finished on a new Mac laptop.

Posted by: Drew in MO at April 27, 2012 02:04 PM (KeFbr)

230 which is worse, ordering wines by the number, or being the guy who waits on people who order wine by the number?
Posted by: pep


I was going to say "bravo" but I'll just say "fuckin' A."

Posted by: Dang at April 27, 2012 02:04 PM (Ky1+e)

231 Who the fuck orders olives on pizza?

****

I'm racist about olives on pizza.  Black, yes.  Green, no.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 27, 2012 02:05 PM (Hx5uv)

232 Foucault of Hasbro

Wow, I always assumed he was French.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 02:05 PM (6TB1Z)

233 this phenomenon certainly isn't confined to matters of culture. the american public school system was designed implicitly to produce (in the words of some rockefeller or other, i don't remember which) "not good students, but good workers." as a result, the average american graduates from high school without so much as the basic understanding of finance, civics, logic and critical-thinking skills essential to even recognize what the politicians and robber barons are getting away with, much less the collective ability to thwart them. which is, their public protestations to the contrary, just the way they like it.

Posted by: mkf at April 27, 2012 02:06 PM (ee6Ms)

234 Tangential, sort of, the cashier at the grocery store and I were discussing the cover of a local magazine this month, which was reviewing the 45 best food trucks in Seattle. I commented that I remember when most people didn't actually want to buy food from a "roach coach" and they served a very different market.

Now it's hip to eat at a food truck. It puzzles me. I can't decide if that makes me high, medium, or low brow.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 27, 2012 06:00 PM (RZ8pf)

So true... So True. When I was a kid if your parents drove a suburban or a truck or something similar you were looked at like bumpkins.. Now the SUV is all the rage. 

Posted by: The Jackhole at April 27, 2012 02:06 PM (nTgAI)

235 >>>We were having a good time so I let it go, but to this day I'd like to find that guy and ask him which is worse, ordering wines by the number, or being the guy who waits on people who order wine by the number?

I would have likely blown a couple of internal seals, and asked something like "What's wrong, you can't pronounce it, or are you trying to make your customers feel bad about not being able to pronounce it?" And watch him flounder.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 27, 2012 02:06 PM (0q2P7)

236

True individualists tend to be quite unobservant; it is the snob, the would-be sophisticate, the frightened conformist, who keeps a fascinated or worried eye on whats in the wind

Posted by: Louis Kronenberger at April 27, 2012 02:08 PM (8g9qq)

237 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 27, 2012 06:01 PM (0q2P7)

This is exactly the problem with the liberal, superior mindset.

If you beat me at X, that means you are superior in the skills necessary to succeed (or at least beat me) at X. Nothing else!

If you live in Park Slope and read the NY Times and the NY Review of Books and wheel your kid around in an $800 Italian stroller, that means that you live in Park Slope and read the NY Times and the NY Review of Books and wheel your kid around in an $800 Italian stroller.

It says nothing about your intellect or your ability to synthesize information or your skill at anything else. But the Left is so enamored of these outward symbols that they have imbued them with mystical powers. Drink this Fair-trade coffee and grow dreadlocks on your six-year-old girl and lo, you will be wise and wonderful and intelligent and better than your butcher from Canarsie.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 27, 2012 02:08 PM (nEUpB)

238 231 The chef who disappoints me the most is Paula Deen. I looooooove her country cooking. Her books are my go-to whenever I want to make somethingi grew up eating but either don't gave a recipe for or can't get a hold of the relative with the recipe. Paula's stuff is always super close if not exact to what my family makes. So her Jimmah Cahtah worship and throwing in with FLOTUS on the food nazi stuff makes me angry.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 06:04 PM (qFpRI




I remember being able to walk in the Lady and Sons and grab a salad.  Now it's "Touron" Heaven.  However, she actually made a comment about FLOTUS eating everything on set when they taped a show that pissed the hell out of Mooch. 


Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 02:09 PM (UOM48)

239

Posted by: Cato at April 27, 2012 05:57 PM (3ucH

 

Yeah, could be. I'm attempting to explain something I simply don't understand.

 

Besides the obvious evil Commie/Muslim/pick your favorite #Occupy sub group, there seems to be a culture that honestly believes what they're doing is good, ie the college aged, brain-washed crowd.

 

Maybe I'm over-thinking this. The whole phenomenon is totally alien to me.

Posted by: ErikW at April 27, 2012 02:09 PM (LwG3i)

240 Thus spake Ayn Rand:

"As an example of an entire field of activity based on nothing but the Argument from Intimidation, I give you modern art--where, in order to prove that they do possess the special insight possessed only by the mystic 'elite,' the populace are trying to surpass one another in loud exclamations on the splendor of some bare (but smudged) piece of canvas."

(The Virtue of Selfishness, p. 140)

Posted by: Dave G at April 27, 2012 02:09 PM (n7xol)

241 But the Left is so enamored of these outward symbols that they have imbued them with mystical powers.

*** 

Let's not forget the most potent of all magical charms, a degree from an Ivy League school.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 27, 2012 02:10 PM (Hx5uv)

242 I would have likely blown a couple of internal seals, and asked something like "What's wrong, you can't pronounce it, or are you trying to make your customers feel bad about not being able to pronounce it?" And watch him flounder.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter!

I'm always afraid if I mouth off the staff at a restaurant is going to take turns rubbing their wieners in the bread basket or something.  Plus,  I jump at the chance to leave a lousy tip.

Posted by: Dang at April 27, 2012 02:10 PM (Ky1+e)

243 Hipsters with their book bags, single speed bikes and funny hats make me want to flatten them with my pickup

Posted by: The Jackhole at April 27, 2012 02:10 PM (nTgAI)

244 The "of" kinda just appeared, but I like it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2012 02:10 PM (hiMsy)

245 If there's a will, prosperity and elitism can't be far behind.

Posted by: Fritz at April 27, 2012 02:10 PM (KWdVT)

246

I work in a place where the truly brilliant are, if not common, easily to be found. The funny thing about them is that they don't worry about social status. Why would they? The people who decide those things are idiots.

********

It sounds like you know some engineers.

Posted by: Grim at April 27, 2012 02:11 PM (gyNYk)

247 True individualists tend to be quite unobservant

----------------


This is extraordinarily true.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:11 PM (P6QsQ)

248 252 I work in a place where the truly brilliant are, if not common, easily to be found. The funny thing about them is that they don't worry about social status. Why would they? The people who decide those things are idiots.
********
It sounds like you know some engineers.


National lab full of top-rate scientists.  Nothing like that to remind you of just how non-unique you are.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 02:13 PM (6TB1Z)

249

Best wine I've ever had isn't worth the backwash from a bottle of coke. 

A glass bottle.

I know, I'm a snob. 

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2012 02:13 PM (VwrfQ)

250 I would have likely blown a couple of internal seals, and asked something like "What's wrong, you can't pronounce it, or are you trying to make your customers feel bad about not being able to pronounce it?" And watch him flounder.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 27, 2012 06:06 PM (0q2P7)

 

While I agree with your response, I am scratching my head over what fellating some aquatic mammals had to do with anything...?

Posted by: LGoPs at April 27, 2012 02:13 PM (lHn6+)

251 "I cut her off and asked her where she waited tables. She looked surprised and told me the name of some shit restaurant. A golden moment in time, ladies and gentlemen. Golden."


Yeah, but I bet you didn't get laid that night (by her anyway).

Posted by: What's Orange and Weeps? at April 27, 2012 02:13 PM (CP+yl)

252 Mario Batali - stoned out of his mind 24/7. Same with his crew.

Fact.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 27, 2012 02:14 PM (Qxdfp)

253 Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 06:09 PM (UOM4 Yeah, I saw that and laughed. I've eaten at Lady and Sons once for my brother's wedding rehearsal dinner. I was 8.5 months pregnant with my first and good Lord did I swell up like a balloon afterwards. The salt! But it was damned good. I wish I'd been able to make it back there while bro and his family were stationed there, but there was never any reservations available when I went to visit. They're in N.Carolina now so I guess I missed my chance.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 02:14 PM (qFpRI)

254 While I agree with your response, I am scratching my head over what fellating some aquatic mammals had to do with anything...?

Well really, is there ever a time when that's the wrong response?

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 02:14 PM (6TB1Z)

255

@154    "Is Alton Brown a moron?"

Very possibly.   He also has links to some Christian books on his personal website.

Posted by: JPS at April 27, 2012 02:15 PM (wS6Sf)

256

ChimpyMcHitlerburton:  See?  I'm hip and cool!

 

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 27, 2012 02:15 PM (zKFOT)

257 Fox showed Barky braying at Ft. Stewart about killing bin Laden.

A friend of mine is a military wife of a Ranger.  She has a mil blog.

She so wanted to hold up a sign for Barky to see when he arrived.  Sadly, military families don't have the same freedom of speech the rest of the country has.  For instance, when our son comes home and borrows my car to drive over to Parris Island to shop at the Corps store, I can't have any "offensive" political bumper stickers. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 02:16 PM (UOM48)

258

John F'n Kerry ... fancies himself some kind of Boston Brahmin.

Believe it or not, John Forbes Kerry is really is of that ilk. He's old school upper-crust. Rich and thick.

Posted by: fluffy at April 27, 2012 02:18 PM (O6q63)

259

Ace, this is why you should take down the Mencken quote from the website banner.  Mencken was a snobby jerk.  His whole shtick was "vicious disdain" of common folk.

Another stuck-up asshole from that era: Alexander Wolcott.  What a dick.

Posted by: gp at April 27, 2012 02:18 PM (mk9aG)

260 Well really, is there ever a time when that's the wrong response?

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 06:14 PM (6TB1Z)

 

It beats flogging a dolphin, I guess.

 

Posted by: LGoPs at April 27, 2012 02:18 PM (lHn6+)

261 200 Yes, it is I! 205 I apologize for my lack of clarity: I meant the original article cited by Ace, on whom I have a crush.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 27, 2012 02:18 PM (4839r)

262 256 Best wine I've ever had isn't worth the backwash from a bottle of coke. A glass bottle. I know, I'm a snob. Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2012 06:13 PM (VwrfQ) I'm not a fan of wine myself. When I do drink it, it tends to be the crappy Arbor Mist variety. And my husband laughs at me because ,y favorite one is the blackberry merlot and I drink it cold. My usual response is, "It tastes like shit warm, but it's damned good cold and I paid for it so kiss my ass."

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 02:18 PM (qFpRI)

263 Jane - Does your son get to come home on a leave soon?

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:18 PM (P6QsQ)

264 This is how these turdacres actually think. The real, underlying motive of the Superman and Natural Selection and Dialectical Materialism was fear of the rise of the middle class (or in their view, middle crass) as a result of capitalism and the industrial revolution in the nineteenth century.. It's interesting to hear someone actually come right out and say it.

Posted by: Cricket at April 27, 2012 02:19 PM (ktqBU)

265

Elite - to me at least - has always implied some sort of merit.  I'm still trying to figure out why the fuck most of these people are considered to be "elite" anyway. 

 

It's not by virtue of talent.  It's not by virtue of education.  It's not by virtue of ability.  It's not by virtue of training.

 

The only thing these slugs have is power and privilege, which is simply bestowed and indicates nothing that sets them apart from the common man.  This sort of birthright entitlement mentality may have worked prior to the Information Age, but no longer.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 27, 2012 02:19 PM (rX1N2)

266 259 Mario Batali - stoned out of his mind 24/7. Same with his crew.

Fact.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 27, 2012 06:14 PM (Qxdfp




I read a food blog several years ago, and a guy who worked as a server in a NYC restaurant said a drunk Batali nearly knocked him down on the street one day.  He told Batali, "Watch where you're going, you fat f*ck."


Hilarity did not ensue.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 02:19 PM (UOM48)

267 "I cut her off and asked her where she waited tables. She looked
surprised and told me the name of some shit restaurant. A golden moment
in time, ladies and gentlemen. Golden."

Yeah, but I bet you didn't get laid that night (by her anyway).
Posted by: What's Orange and Weeps?


I was engaged at the time so I had,  and still tend to have,  a real "ask me if I give a shit" attitude toward a lot of people.  She was in a really crappy straight-to-video B movie Rockabilly-style-flick where she popped her top.  Me and my buddies rented that - so I still got to see her tits.

Posted by: Dang at April 27, 2012 02:20 PM (Ky1+e)

268

It beats flogging a dolphin, I guess.

 

That's hot. 

Is there an estuary or an inlet local to you where we can meet up?

Posted by: hornyfemaledolphin at April 27, 2012 02:20 PM (VwrfQ)

269 The last will be first, and the first will be last. 

I'm kinda gleeful about that, bad Christian that I am.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:21 PM (P6QsQ)

270 It beats flogging a dolphin, I guess.

That's hot.
Is there an estuary or an inlet local to you where we can meet up?

Posted by: hornyfemaledolphin at April 27, 2012 06:20 PM (VwrfQ)

Pounder Flounder Bay

Posted by: The fish at April 27, 2012 02:21 PM (nTgAI)

271 I paid for it so kiss my ass

This is the secret to all happiness in a nutshell.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 02:21 PM (6TB1Z)

272 Save Mr. Obama, who acknowledges no rules. This past week, one of his campaign websites posted an item entitled “Behind the curtain: A brief history of Romney’s donors.” In the post, the Obama campaign named and shamed eight private citizens who had donated to his opponent. Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 27, 2012 06:04 PM (e8kgV) Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable petty tyrant. And his coattails have wiped out decades of *real* economic and social progress in this country. What a colossal waste.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 27, 2012 02:22 PM (bxiXv)

273 269 Jane - Does your son get to come home on a leave soon?

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 06:18 PM (P6QsQ




*waves*



No.  Because Marines are deployed for seven months, there's no mid-deployment leave.  Now I read today that 9,000 Marines are being transferred from Okinawa to Guam.   Okinawa is our son's duty station. 



I'll be having nightmares of him stationed on Guam and it tipping into the sea. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 02:23 PM (UOM48)

274 I say, Lovie, isn't it time for cocktails?

Posted by: Thurston Howell III at April 27, 2012 02:23 PM (8g9qq)

275 >>>I'll be having nightmares of him stationed on Guam and it tipping into the sea.

Watch out for the snakes!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 27, 2012 02:26 PM (0q2P7)

276 This is night #3 of my husband being away (he's home tomorrow night).  Any suggestions for something I'd enjoy watching on the tee vee or renting from (fucking) Comcast?

I'd read, but wearing reading glasses hurts my nose where I had surgery. 

Help me, moronettes!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 02:27 PM (UOM48)

277 Speaking of pretentiousness that I hate, I sometime will order a fine wine in a nice restaurant.

My grandfather when he was in a joking mood at a meal would motion the waiter over and grandly declare, "Tonight I am in a particularly good mood and with all teh family here I'm also feeling generous... so bring us all a bottle of your cheapest wine!" Almost always the waiters laughed and brought us the cheap (or better than cheap) wine.

Posted by: Mætenloch at April 27, 2012 02:27 PM (pAlYe)

278 I find the "Elites" amusing. I fear the "Elitists".

Posted by: Javems at April 27, 2012 02:30 PM (9KFE7)

279 I wish I'd seen this post before the near approach of sundown. The essayist, from what I've seen, makes some good points---but his view of Huxley's Brave New World and of Ortega y Gasset seems to me pretty skewed. Huxley was condemning the society he portrayed in BNW, not praising it---whatever he may have written or advocated elsewhere. It's been too long since I read OyG to comment with confidence, but my gut feeling/recollection is that the essayist has him wrong too. That does not stop the essayist's underlying point from being correct---that the "elite" always despises those who strive to enter it, that it gives itself meaning by excluding the strivers, and differentiating itself from them. This has been true at least since the start of the Industrial Revolution; the 1950s are different in this regard only because they are within the living memory of many.

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at April 27, 2012 02:30 PM (+C9LQ)

280 OT:  I'm glad to see Mr. Brewer corrected the video title in the sidebar. 

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 27, 2012 02:31 PM (DuH+r)

281 No. Because Marines are deployed for seven months, there's no mid-deployment leave.



Oh!  I did not know that!

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:32 PM (P6QsQ)

282 mama winger, when is your son coming home?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 02:32 PM (UOM48)

283 Hello buzzsawmonkey.  How are you?

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:33 PM (P6QsQ)

284 mama winger, when is your son coming home?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 06:32 PM




He gets a leave in 58 days.  Not that I'm counting. 

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:34 PM (P6QsQ)

285 Scene: Art gallery. Predominately liberal attendees.  Waitstaff brings about shit on a platter.  Liberals take said shit, and fawn over said shit.  EVEN though it is said shit.  Typical liberal at art gallery.   Typical liberal.

Posted by: Refractory. at April 27, 2012 02:34 PM (rZZA3)

286 Hey, mama! Good to see you! I'm dashing off to beat sundown, alas, but I'm very, very pleased to see you around and about! PS: If you go over to PJ Media's Tatler sub-site, you can find my "thread" of songs and stuff for them over the past year or so.

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at April 27, 2012 02:35 PM (+C9LQ)

287 McDonald no doubt saw himself ss a brilliant original thinker, but really what he called the "middlebrow" class was merely the same old bourgeoisie the Left has ALWAYS hated, Why? Because its members are a hard working, independent minded lot that simply doesn't need the "elites." And McDonald knew it.

Posted by: CoolCzech at April 27, 2012 02:36 PM (niZvt)

288 I never said I didn't read. Highlights is a fine publication.

I said I refuse to read *much* philosophy. Enough to get the broad strokes. But if the philosophical premise is stupid on its face, why would I waste my living hours on that bullshit?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2012 05:47 PM (JDIKC)


I would very much like to subscribe to your newsletter, Sir.

Posted by: Gallant at April 27, 2012 02:36 PM (FoNan)

289 I will do that Buzzsaw!  Hurry along now!  I will catch up with you later.  Good Sabbath to you.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:36 PM (P6QsQ)

290 297 I never said I didn't read. Highlights is a fine publication.

I
said I refuse to read *much* philosophy. Enough to get the broad
strokes. But if the philosophical premise is stupid on its face, why
would I waste my living hours on that bullshit?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2012 05:47 PM (JDIKC)

I would very much like to subscribe to your newsletter, Sir.
Posted by: Gallant at April 27, 2012 06:36 PM

Gallant, quit being such a fucking brown noser.

Posted by: Goofus at April 27, 2012 02:37 PM (FoNan)

291 The radicals in the 1960s did a lot to destroy high art, culture, fashion, and manners in the US. Really if one looks at everything from about World War One forward, the radicals did everything they could to undermine any aspects of civilization which would get in the way of establishing a new order. It sounds conspiratorial, but it is true. Religion, history, culture and civilization had to be swept away in order to allow the new order to take over without challenge.

Posted by: The recession at April 27, 2012 05:19 PM (KCvsd)



History has been so debauched by the progressive turds that nobody coming from their indoctrination centers knows a fucking thing compared to the level of the 50s.  The biggest mistake was letting these marxist shitstains get a foothold in wacademia because the vermin have destroyed it.  There's started to be a backlash because marxist history is so fucking boring that nobody outside of the ivory towers can stand to read such tripe.  Fuckheads like Ayers write unreadable garbage because he's always had a third rate mind; and he's one of the smart ones.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 27, 2012 02:37 PM (g8py2)

292 294 He gets a leave in 58 days. Not that I'm counting.

You must not be - I don't see any hours/minutes there.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 27, 2012 02:38 PM (Qxdfp)

293 I apologize for my lack of clarity: I meant the original article cited by Ace, on whom I have a crush. Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 27, 2012 06:18 PM (4839r) -------------------------------------------------------- THE goddessoftheclassroom? I remember you from the place Chuckles burned down! Hello again.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 27, 2012 02:38 PM (jucos)

294 Posted by: . at April 27, 2012 05:26 PM (oZfic)

You are so fucking tiresome, gutterscrunt troll.

Posted by: NIPPP at April 27, 2012 02:39 PM (0oYHO)

295 mama winger, has your son had trouble getting care packages?  Because it seems to take forever for D'oh Boy to get his packages.

I ship through my UPS Store and use the tracking numbers to see if they've arrived, and the damned USPS never shows their progress (even though I've signed on for alerts).  He just came back from a ten day convoy and had three packages (with 30 boxes of Girl Scout cookies and the Easter basket I sent him) and said he and his buddies had consumed Every. Single. Cookie. and Candy.

Jeebus.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 02:39 PM (UOM48)

296  
186 >>>So much so that I REFUSE to read much philosophy. Which leads to even
more disdainful sniffery at not having read the Great Thinkers, which is
how these powdered douchestockings see themselves.


You ought to give Aristotle a shot EoJ. He's good. BTW, Locke and two treatises of government? Yup philosophy. The Federalist? Also philosophy.

Like this little gem.
...
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 27, 2012 05:50 PM (0q2P7)


A bit of advice:

Don't waste your spawn in infertile waters.

Posted by: Guy Who Reads a Lot at April 27, 2012 02:40 PM (7+pP9)

297 Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at April 27, 2012 06:35 PM (+C9LQ) ------------------------------------------------------buzzsawmonkey too! Good to see you.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 27, 2012 02:40 PM (jucos)

298 You must not be - I don't see any hours/minutes there.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 27, 2012 06:38 PM

----------

Underplayed it there, didn't I? 

We miss him so much today.  It is the 1st birthday of his nephew.  His nephew will not even know him once he gets home.  This is time we will never regain.  It makes me so sad.  But then, he is right where he wants to be, doing exactly what he needs to do.  So I am grateful for every email, every phone call. I know Jane knows exactly what I mean.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:41 PM (P6QsQ)

299 goddessoftheclassroom, great to read you

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 27, 2012 02:41 PM (g8py2)

300 he and his buddies had consumed Every. Single. Cookie. and Candy.


And the real burn of it is that they won't gain an ounce.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2012 02:42 PM (6TB1Z)

301

This wannabe elite attitude is what drives the fashion industry.

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at April 27, 2012 02:42 PM (NVu2l)

302 My grandfather when he was in a joking mood at a meal would motion the waiter over and grandly declare, "Tonight I am in a particularly good mood and with all teh family here I'm also feeling generous... so bring us all a bottle of your cheapest wine!" Almost always the waiters laughed and brought us the cheap (or better than cheap) wine.

Posted by: Mætenloch at April 27, 2012 06:27 PM (pAlYe)

 

Heh. I regularly, especially if the wife and I are in a swanky place, will order a martini and when the waiter or bartender recommends some of the pricier vodka's I say, "No. Do you carry the Albertson's house brand? I'd like that please." Albertson's being one of the major food stores out here.....

The wife thinks I overuse this too much but my flashes of humor are so rare that I have to milk them for all they're worth.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 27, 2012 02:42 PM (lHn6+)

303 I apologize for my lack of clarity: I meant the original article cited by Ace, on whom I have a crush.Who I'd like to diddle in the back of my pickup truck.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 27, 2012 06:18 PM (4839r)


Fixed it for you, you elitest snob.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 27, 2012 02:43 PM (nEUpB)

304 Phuck these people. That is all.

Posted by: WeekendAtBernankes at April 27, 2012 02:43 PM (L5TO4)

305 Jane - I have had no trouble with care packages this deployment or others.  UPS must have it in for you.  I use the Post Office and I have to say they have been wonderful about getting his stuff there in a timely manner.  I did have to ship his bow and arrow stuff UPS, and also a cigar humidor, but those arrived in about two weeks and in good condition.  You have the WORST LUCK with your packages!!

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:44 PM (P6QsQ)

306 Posted by: Goofus at April 27, 2012 06:37 PM (FoNan)

How'd you like a tree stump up your ass, loser?

Posted by: Tommy Timbertoe at April 27, 2012 02:44 PM (QKKT0)

307 We miss him so much today. It is the 1st birthday of his nephew. His nephew will not even know him once he gets home. This is time we will never regain. It makes me so sad. But then, he is right where he wants to be, doing exactly what he needs to do. So I am grateful for every email, every phone call. I know Jane knows exactly what I mean.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 06:41 PM (P6QsQ




Yep.  Our son missed being able to say goodbye to my mom, and couldn't attend her funeral.  He was blessed to Skype his grandfather the day before he died, but again, couldn't attend the funeral.



I just had to tell him about the 50 year old mom of one of his best friend's dying of cancer after six months.  And he's lost a friend to an IED attack.



It will be weird when he comes home and tries to "bond" again with his liberal friends/college students.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 02:45 PM (UOM48)

308 Kirly has the list of the banned

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 27, 2012 02:46 PM (BziWT)

309 Watching Red Dawn..."Colonel, wake up. We're going to go shoot up an armored column." Fuckin' priceless, especially on a Friday. And William Smith...now there's an alpha predator if I ever saw one.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 27, 2012 02:46 PM (V6fqC)

310

A bit of advice:

Don't waste your spawn in infertile waters.<<<

 

I'll bet you pull all kinds of pussy.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2012 02:46 PM (JDIKC)

311 Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 27, 2012 06:31 PM (hXJOG)

Spoils of war baby...spoils of war. If you needed that money maybe you shouldn't have started with us.

But I will take you up on your kind offer of a visit. The South is a lovely place, especially for those of us who like barbecue and guns.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 27, 2012 02:46 PM (nEUpB)

312 So this week's Obamania is about President Gutsy Call... President Pussy honestly thinks Romney wouldn't have ordered Osama killed? Really? Meanwhile, his flying monkeys are declaringthe war on terror is over. Really? Do the terrorists know that? Oh well. I guess that at least this means we won't hear about the war on women for a while.

Posted by: CoolCzech at April 27, 2012 02:46 PM (niZvt)

313 It will be weird when he comes home and tries to "bond" again with his liberal friends/college students.




He will find them silly.  At least that was my son's experience.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:47 PM (P6QsQ)

314 Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 06:41 PM (P6QsQ) The babies not knowing them is the worst. My bro has only seen my daughter once when she was about three months old. She's almos two-and-a-half now. And my brother's son doesn't have the slightest clue who I am, which hurts. Nobody's fault. Between deployments and being gone constantly for training when he is stateside it's hard to catch him at home. And SIL, as much as I like her personally, she's never been too interested in our family. An extended relative apparently made a nasty comment to her at their wedding and she hasn't had much time for the rest of us since. So she's not bringing the nephew down to visit while my bro is away. It's tough stuff.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 02:48 PM (qFpRI)

315 Kirly has the list of the banned

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 27, 2012 06:46 PM (BziWT)




And it's about three miles long.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:48 PM (P6QsQ)

316 233 210  "Hipsters are some of the most useless people in the world, and can be commonly found sitting at a trendy downtown non-chain coffee shop wearing stupid hats they got from their grandparents while typing out a novel that will never quite get finished on a new Mac laptop."

************
The irritating pose that really twists my Y chromosomes into sheepshanks is watching metrosexual dudes with concave chests and wispy beards (much like the ones you describe), and wearing sweatshirts too long at the sleeves, grasp hot coffee mugs with both hands protected by those sleeves and make appreciative slurping noises as they savor their Free Trade Coffee.

Is there such a thing as an XXY male?

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at April 27, 2012 02:48 PM (SV4OI)

317 Mandy - I hear you loud and clear.  There's a lot of people that a deployment affects, and it's not just the person in uniform. 

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:49 PM (P6QsQ)

318 Mandy

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 27, 2012 02:49 PM (BziWT)

319 wow and buzzsawmonkey. heart goes pitter patter.

Glad to see you and goddessoftheclassroom are alive and well. .

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2012 02:50 PM (TomZ9)

320 314 Jane - I have had no trouble with care packages this deployment or others. UPS must have it in for you. I use the Post Office and I have to say they have been wonderful about getting his stuff there in a timely manner. I did have to ship his bow and arrow stuff UPS, and also a cigar humidor, but those arrived in about two weeks and in good condition. You have the WORST LUCK with your packages!!

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 06:44 PM (P6QsQ




Mama, I've had the worst experiences going to our local PO.  Rude, long lines, etc.



My UPS Store is owned by a military-loving couple.  Once something is shipped out of their store, the Postal Service owns it.  Took 1 1/2 months for our boy to get his guitar (and my UPS Store owner insisted on carrying it to the PO himself). 



I love my UPS Store.  However, the postal service sucks, and after I stood in line for 45 minutes at my post office months ago when the kid was on Okinawa and politely asked how long a package would take to reach him, the asshole behind the counter said, "How in the world would I know?"


Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 02:50 PM (UOM48)

321 I left LFG before the bannings began in earnest. It was a gradual process, starting with infighting, then religious purges, then bannings and blog wars, and finally the declaration that Trotsky had betrayed the Soviet People, or whatever. I was gone at that point.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 27, 2012 02:52 PM (bxiXv)

322 fter I stood in line for 45 minutes at my post office months ago when the kid was on Okinawa and politely asked how long a package would take to reach him, the asshole behind the counter said, "How in the world would I know?"

------------

Oh brother.  They should know at least a guesstimate.  Stupid government worker just being mean for the sake of meanness.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:52 PM (P6QsQ)

323 326 Mandy - I hear you loud and clear. There's a lot of people that a deployment affects, and it's not just the person in uniform. Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 06:49 PM (P6QsQ) Yeah, it does. But I'm extremely proud of him, as I know you and Jane are of your boys. It takes a lot to make those kind of sacrifices for the greater good. The men and women in uniform deserve more than we can ever give them.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 02:52 PM (qFpRI)

324 I'll bet you pull all kinds of pussy.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2012 06:46 PM (JDIKC)


I get my share of the Megyn Milf librarians. Always from the reference desk.

You're a jealous one, I see.

Posted by: Guy Who Reads a Lot at April 27, 2012 02:52 PM (7+pP9)

325

I'd read, but wearing reading glasses hurts my nose where I had surgery.

 

Help me, moronettes!

 

Jane....have you ever watched that series called 'Lost Girl'? ....It's a Canadian series. Sort of a guilty pleasure of mine. ....They've been playing episodes on SyFy channel, but you can watch them online too.

 

It's about a secret group of people called the Fae, who each have magical powers of some sort. There's cuss words, nudity, since it's Canadian.

Posted by: wheatie at April 27, 2012 02:52 PM (O4AQQ)

326 I got banned once for the blog wars, and once again for the religious purges.  So nice I wanted to get banned twice!!

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:53 PM (P6QsQ)

327 Posted by: Jim Sonweed at April 27, 2012 06:48 PM (SV4OI)

I met a friend of mine for dinner at one of those ultra-hip Lower-East-Side restaurants (but the food was damned good, and so was the beer) last week. We were easily the oldest people there. My guess is that every bitchy little hipster was no more than 30. But there also wasn't a man in the house. They were all dressed like they wanted to be noticed for how they were dressed, they all looked like a stiff breeze would tip them over, and many of their dates looked tougher than they did.

I have no doubt that I could have cleared the place out without any trouble.

If these people want to start something with the great unwashed of America, they will lose badly and quickly.-

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 27, 2012 02:53 PM (nEUpB)

328 >>>typing out a novel that will never quite get finished on a new Mac laptop

My favorite part is that they imagine that they have insight, having done nothing, and knowing nothing other than University crap that has nothing to do with the real world.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 27, 2012 02:53 PM (0q2P7)

329 {jane d'oh} {mama winger} {mandy} {all parents of our troops} You may remember that my younger son's dream to to attend the Naval Academy. He's now a junior in high school, and he's still working towards that goal.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 27, 2012 02:53 PM (511WQ)

330 Goodness, mama winger, Buzzsawmonkey, Trunk Monkey, goddessofthe classroom; seems like old times.

Posted by: easy at April 27, 2012 02:53 PM (9KFE7)

331
It's about a secret group of people called the Fae, who each have magical powers of some sort. There's cuss words, nudity, since it's Canadian.

Posted by: wheatie at April 27, 2012 06:52 PM (O4AQQ




*grabs heart.....faints*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 02:54 PM (UOM48)

332 Male nudity. ....as much as female nudity.

Posted by: wheatie at April 27, 2012 02:56 PM (O4AQQ)

333 GotC -   I just know he will achieve his dream.  Good for him - you should be very proud of the man you've raised.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:56 PM (P6QsQ)

334 341 Male nudity. ....as much as female nudity. Posted by: wheatie at April 27, 2012 06:56 PM (O4AQQ) On Syfy?

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 02:57 PM (qFpRI)

335 338 {jane d'oh} {mama winger} {mandy} {all parents of our troops}

You may remember that my younger son's dream to to attend the Naval Academy. He's now a junior in high school, and he's still working towards that goal.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 27, 2012 06:53 PM (511WQ




That's awesome.  Just remind him gently that if/when he makes the Academy, not to look down on those sons of ours who went in as grunts and have seen and shed blood.  He will be hated if he's "one of those."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 02:57 PM (UOM48)

336 seems like old times. Posted by: easy at April 27, 2012 06:53 PM



We should serve Fruit Cup. 

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:57 PM (P6QsQ)

337 I left LFG before the bannings began in earnest.


Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 27, 2012 06:52 PM (bxiXv)



Same here.  It was obvious that Cahrlse was about as stable as throwing sodium into a swimming pool (I have my own hypothesis on why that happened) and I didn't want to stick around anymore so I just left before I got banned.  Everything I've subsequently seen confirms that I did the right thing.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 27, 2012 02:57 PM (g8py2)

338

343...On Syfy?

 

Yeah. ....Well, not full frontal....but lots of 'eye candy'.... a few butt shots.

Posted by: wheatie at April 27, 2012 02:58 PM (O4AQQ)

339 >>>It's about a secret group of people called the
Fae, who each have magical powers of some sort.


Fae that's the Middle English word for Faeries 

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 27, 2012 02:59 PM (0q2P7)

340 And goddessoftheclassroom, I say that as the daughter of a former officer.

Good luck to your boy.  We have three friends whose sons are aiming for West Point/the Naval Academy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 02:59 PM (UOM48)

341 Merovign, i miss'd being banned, not to say that i wouldn't have in time.
i actually left on my own as i became terrified of Obama's win , and thought he'd joe the plumber me.
i didn't type online at all for mths.

hah, well holdren, ayers, and their dream team, yeah scared me to death.

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2012 02:59 PM (TomZ9)

342 I love ec marm


Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 02:59 PM (P6QsQ)

343 344 NEVER. His favorite "movie" is Band of Brothers, and he's practically an expert on WWII. He knows whose blood saved (and preserves) our freedom.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 27, 2012 03:00 PM (511WQ)

344 i never understood what happened to lgf, i was really blow away by zombies leaving.

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2012 03:00 PM (TomZ9)

345 Is there such a thing as an XXY male? That would be an enlightened being, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Baraka Obama at April 27, 2012 03:01 PM (FcR7P)

346 Season One.....linky in my sig.

Posted by: wheatie at April 27, 2012 03:01 PM (O4AQQ)

347 We should serve Fruit Cup. Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 06:57 PM (P6QsQ) ---------------------------------------------------------- You don't happen to know where Little Old Lady went do you?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 27, 2012 03:01 PM (jucos)

348 >>>i never understood what happened to lgf, i was really blow away by zombies leaving.

CJ started to believe he was better than everyone else because he had a following. Once the narcissism had him, his conversion to the dark side was inevitable.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 27, 2012 03:02 PM (0q2P7)

349 Does A Shrinking Economy Give Us More Growth Potential?

Posted by: NPR at April 27, 2012 03:02 PM (FcR7P)

350 My own theory runs something along the lines of teh hCarlos getting over-run by demonic forces.  Then again, I am an evangelical, so demons stay fairly at the top of my list for many occasions.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 03:02 PM (P6QsQ)

351 Little old lady is at the site conservative something Mandy manners went there after she found her self respect

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 27, 2012 03:03 PM (BziWT)

352 I only heard about zombie leaving after I did; I chalked that up as another click up on the retard meter for the pony-tailed horse's ass.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 27, 2012 03:03 PM (g8py2)

353 nood thread up

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2012 03:03 PM (UOM48)

354 You don't happen to know where Little Old Lady went do you?

-----------------
Sadly, no,  I do not.

Posted by: mama winger at April 27, 2012 03:03 PM (P6QsQ)

355 I can't remember the guys name but the one who had cancer went there it was an invite only place

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 27, 2012 03:04 PM (BziWT)

356

My own theory runs something along the lines of teh hCarlos getting over-run by demonic forces. Then again, I am an evangelical, so demons stay fairly at the top of my list for many occasions.

 

My theory is based on Occam's razor. Charles is fucked in the head.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 27, 2012 03:05 PM (lHn6+)

357 Pink Freud went there too I think

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 27, 2012 03:05 PM (BziWT)

358 CJ started to believe he was better than everyone else because he had a following



There's an internal flaw in that logic that a person has to be really really stupid to not see.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 27, 2012 03:05 PM (g8py2)

359 Correspondence Committee.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 27, 2012 03:05 PM (lHn6+)

360

I believe the elite Left despises the working / middle class union members they rely on to win elections.  

Reagan was able to tap into this disconnect between middle-class, blue-collar Democrats and the lefties.  That's how he won two landslides.

Any Republicans trying to win blue-collar voters nowadays?  If so, where are they?

Posted by: stickety at April 27, 2012 03:06 PM (+Vm+w)

361

Pink Freud went there too I think.

Correspondence Committee it is. Good site.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 27, 2012 03:06 PM (lHn6+)

362 That's it correspondence committee

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 27, 2012 03:06 PM (BziWT)

363 GOTC, Thanks for the hugs! Alas I am just a sibling and cannot take credit for parenting my brother. My mom deserves every ounce of credit for raising my Army brother to be the awesome man he is today. He being four years my junior, I can take credit for teasing him mercilessly and teaching him how to drive.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 27, 2012 03:07 PM (qFpRI)

364 374 Mandy P {the families of our troops}.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 27, 2012 03:12 PM (511WQ)

365 What's funny to me is that I have most of the "highbrow" tastes. I do drink wine, I do eat in fancy restaurants, I do read philosophy. Can't quite manage modern art and literature, though. But I do those things because I enjoy them. My parents brought me up to be a foodie, so it's simply what we do.

I recall reading a book by a food critic, Elizabeth David, a few years ago. There was a piece in the contents that looked interesting, about "obsolete" foods. I figured it would be about dishes like chitterlings or jellied calf feet or something -- things which were once mainstream dishes but have disappeared in the past century. Maybe she'd even get adventurous and cook one. Interesting stuff, right?

When I discovered the article was about dishes which she and other NYC foodies "used to eat" TWO YEARS EARLIER but stopped because they went out of fashion -- I literally threw the book across the room. I've never done that before. How anyone can trust her judgement about food when she admits her tastes change with shifts in fashion simply baffles me.

Posted by: Trimegistus at April 27, 2012 03:14 PM (FiplJ)

366 Dan Flynn has a great book on this exact topic, Blue Collar Intellectuals.

Posted by: doug at April 27, 2012 03:18 PM (gbtBj)

367 When I discovered the article was about dishes which she and other NYC foodies "used to eat" TWO YEARS EARLIER but stopped because they went out of fashion -- I literally threw the book across the room. Posted by: Trimegistus at April 27, 2012 07:14 PM (FiplJ) That was childish. You should have wiped your backside with it and then mailed it back to her!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 27, 2012 03:18 PM (bxiXv)

368

354 i never understood what happened to lgf, i was really blow away by zombies leaving.

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2012 07:00 PM (TomZ9)

 

I can't say I understand it, but I'd seen it happen at a different site before it happend at lgf.  A blogger that had a major boner for trolling with anti-religious stuff, but always claimed to be conservative, or at least not liberal.  And then he just goes off the deep-end about everything.  Even claiming that the only reason we didn't like illegal immigrants is because of their skin color and they speak spanish...

 

And then he gets a job in China, and proceeds to at one point claim that he had more freedom there than he did under Bush.  Oh well the asshole is dead now.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2012 03:22 PM (GULKT)

369 A blogger that had a major boner for trolling with anti-religious stuff, but always claimed to be conservative, or at least not liberal. And then he just goes off the deep-end about everything.

Andi 'Butthurt' Sullivan?

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 27, 2012 03:26 PM (xm1A1)

370 Andi 'Butthurt' Sullivan?

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 27, 2012 07:26 PM (xm1A1)

 

No but I forgot to mention he would link sullivan and go "I know 'boo hiss he's gay'" as if that was the reason people didn't like him.  And as I said, dead now.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2012 03:29 PM (GULKT)

371 I can't say I understand it, but I'd seen it happen at a different site before it happend at lgf. A blogger that had a major boner for trolling with anti-religious stuff, but always claimed to be conservative, or at least not liberal. 

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2012 07:22 PM (GULKT)

buzzion, it was such an extreme shift, heck everything i knew about islam and Obama I learned there from that period. it was a crazy turn around.


Posted by: willow at April 27, 2012 03:34 PM (TomZ9)

372
376 What's funny to me is that I have most of the "highbrow" tastes. I do drink wine, I do eat in fancy restaurants, I do read philosophy.

Give that shit up immediately.

The first one is illegal if you're taking antibiotics or any prescribed medications (http://tinyurl.com/7s9lh6e). And even if you don't take any prescribed medications, you are a weak person because you drink (http://tinyurl.com/c4zzbhm) and you are costing your boss (and ultimately Barack Obama's recovery) with your behavior.

The second one requires reading "the Great Thinkers" (http://tinyurl.com/89n28jy) who are a bunch of stupid, dead old white ignorant men.

Your life style leaves you and our country in great peril.

Posted by: Guy Who Reads a Lot at April 27, 2012 03:55 PM (7+pP9)

373 Why so highbrow, 'Guy who reads a lot'?

Posted by: Refractory. at April 27, 2012 04:39 PM (rZZA3)

374 If you want to understand the future, read history.

Posted by: toby928© at April 27, 2012 04:55 PM (NG097)

375 Actually, you really only need to understand a couple of things: Everything revolves around power and money.  And never trust anyone perfectly.

Posted by: Refractory. at April 27, 2012 05:09 PM (rZZA3)

376 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at April 27, 2012 07:01 PM (7W3wI)

377 Hooookay. . . .Ace, you really MUST get acquainted with Firesign Theatre. Because if you had listened to them whilst smoking the Weed of Wisdom in your scholarly days, like we did, you would have heard the "Rough as a Cob March" and the word "shibboleth":

Choir: O, We're marching, marching to Shibboleth, With the Eagle and the Sword! We're praising Zion 'til her death, Until we meet our last reward! Men: Our Lord's reward! Women: Zion! Oh happy Zion! O'er wrapp'd, but not detained! Men: Lion, ferocious Lion! His beard our mighty mane! Women: At First and Main! Men: Oh, we're marching, marching to Omaha, With the Buckram and the Cord! Women: You'll hear us "boom" our State! Men: Ha, ha! As we cross the final ford! Women: The flaming Ford! Choir: Zion! Oh mighty Zion! Your bison now are dust! As your cornflakes rise 'Gainst the rust-red skies, Then our blood requires we must Go-o-o-o Men: Marching, marching to Shibboleth, With the Eagle and the -- Women: The Buckram and the Cord! Men: Sword! Praising Zion 'til her death! Women: Ha, ha! Men: Until we eat our last reward! Women: The flaming Ford! Choir: Zion! Oh righteous Zion! There is no one to blame! For the homespun pies 'Neath the cracking skies Shall release the fulsome rain! Tenor: Shall release! Men: Shall release! Soprano: Shall release! Women: Shall release! Choir: Shall release the vinyl rein!I dunno. I can't even figure it out when I'm straight. But check out "Don't Crush That Dwarf -- Hand Me the Pliers," or "I Think We're All Bozos on This Bus," or "Waiting for the Electrician, Or Someone Like Him," etc. All available these days on Youtube.

Posted by: Beverly at April 27, 2012 07:29 PM (z8ccU)

378 My dad's parents were "lace curtain Irish" who were self-educated.  Classical music streamed from the phonograph in their book-lined den.  Multiple trips to the library each week was routine.  Lively conversations on all manner of topics occurred at dinner every night.  My parents continued these traditions, and so I was blessed to grow up with exposure to a myriad of highfalutin' cultural ideas and ideals.  It rubbed off on all of us--the majority of the 23 grandchildren have advanced degrees in a variety of fields.  Not bad for a bunch of hoi polloi, I say.

Posted by: Taxpayer1234 at April 27, 2012 07:51 PM (NpmCe)

379 Shorter entry:

Conservatives: "Work hard to be one of us"
Liberals: "Act this way to be one of us"

Posted by: WheelmanForHire at April 27, 2012 10:53 PM (l8nIR)

380 Very good article. One caveat: Our elites are not aristocracy, rather they are the moral elites or high priests of our PC system. Their power comes from money, trade, and morality. Aristocracy by it's nature is a military class that is usually nationalistic and uninterested in controlling the average man's life. Our moral priests on the hand want to control how much water you use in the toilet and how many miles you drive everyday. Personally I'll take the warrior elites over the rich moral high priests any day of the week.

Posted by: red at April 28, 2012 02:09 AM (A+59T)

381 Oh really? I had heard "Commentary" and "Dissent" had merged and formed "Dysentery."

Posted by: Jordan at April 28, 2012 09:51 AM (17adr)

382 What you are talking about has a name: It is called Critical Theory. They've been taught to teach Critical Theory by the "intellectual" stupid instead of critical thinking. It is a "philosophy" of deconstructionism through a mix of the "social sciences" whose "theory" has the basic (false) premise in which it does not matter what is right, it only matters what is wrong. And that describes the leftists to a tee. They can't tell you want is right, they can only tell you what is wrong. Get in an argument with one and one of two things will occur: You'll either end up feeling like you're beating your head against a brick wall or you will want to beat their heads against a brick wall. It is nothing more than straight up Marxism out of the German Frankfurt School, and it started hitting America in the 1850s in small doses and hit full force right about the time you are describing - the 1920s; and has been happily been infecting our schools and society unopposed for 90+ years. Other forms of critical theory taught under the heading of Critical Theory include: "feminism, critical race theory, and some forms of post-colonial criticisms."

People are sometimes asked that proverbial question: "If you could go back in time and could kill so-and so before they did X, Y, or Z would you do it?" Such as, "If you could go back in time and kill Hitler before he came to power would you do it?"

My choice would be Marx and Engles.

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