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February 28, 2012

Interview with Sharia Judge's Victim
— Ace

PG: What is your reaction to the judge's telling you that what you did was offensive to Muslims?
Perce: When I first heard Attorney Thomas, the defendant's attorney, telling me to read the Koran and the judge stayed silent, I was stunned. Then when the judge said, " I have a Koran; I challenge you to show me where it says Mohammed [rose] from the dead," I was stunned. I remember thinking "In America, what does it matter what interpretation a person has about a ruthless book?" I thought, "I'm not going to challenge you to a debate, and who in the hell are you to require me to read a Koran?"

The question seeks to change the paradigm from "free speech is the rule" to "some persons must prove their speech is true in order to have free speech rights."

This is a concept found in libel law. It applies specifically to living persons.

The judge introduced the concept of "libeling Islam" into an area of the law in which it was wholly alien.

The very question is disgusting. The judge is saying that the man's free speech rights only exist to the extent they are congruent with the teachings of the Koran. Otherwise, his statement is false, libelous against Mohammad and Allah, and he forfeits the protections of the law.

The judge kept bragging about how many years he'd spent in Islamic countries.

He should take residence in such a country if he wishes to enforce the blasphemy laws existing in such countries.

They should not exist here.

I would say "They do not exist here," but they do exist in at least one jurisdiction in Pennsylvania.

Impeach him.

CNN Interview with the Judge: Friendly audience.

From Volokh, who disputes the judge's claim that anti-Islamic statements are a clear and present danger to free speech.

No. Islamist judges are.

Interviewer to Judge Martin: Â… There are some who believe you were failing to protect that right.
Judge Martin: No, I donÂ’t think so. HereÂ’s the thing: ItÂ’s a right, itÂ’s not a privilege, itÂ’s a right. With rights come responsibilities. The more that people abuse our rights, the more likely that weÂ’re going to lose them.

What "responsibility"? The responsibility to honor Islam?

Posted by: Ace at 08:46 AM | Comments (129)
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1 IIRC, judges are elected in that jurisdiction. If so, I'd advise him not to run for reelection.

Posted by: joncelli at February 28, 2012 08:49 AM (RD7QR)

2 Shouldn't this be a much bigger deal than it is? Why isn't it? Is it just that nobody knows it happened yet?

Posted by: Kensington at February 28, 2012 08:51 AM (/AHDz)

3 Obama heard about this and started fapping at the speed of sound. I'll be surprised if he won't be nominated to the federal bench

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 28, 2012 08:51 AM (IkS4d)

4 Looter or moocher?

Posted by: dagny at February 28, 2012 08:51 AM (u50z0)

5 @ Mr Pink I heard the sonic boom.

Posted by: Maloderous at February 28, 2012 08:52 AM (dsvkY)

6 On one hand, yeah this guy is getting a raw, and unconstitutional deal. On the other hand, he probably expected the Muslims to act the way the Catholics did about the Zombie Pope next to him, i.e. irritated and annoyed, maybe a couple of comments about how disgraceful it was. Apparently he didn't get the note that Muslims show disapproval more "actively".

Posted by: nnptcgrad at February 28, 2012 08:52 AM (Opyrm)

7 Impeach? How about hang from the neck until dead

Posted by: Berserker at February 28, 2012 08:53 AM (FMbng)

The judge kept bragging about how many years he'd spent in Islamic countries.

So why is he here then? Go back to one; then everybody'll be happy.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 28, 2012 08:53 AM (43cx7)

9 C'mon, ace. Keep your focus on the issue that matters most to knuckleheads: Is it immoral to fuck my sister with a condom?

Posted by: Knucklehead id at February 28, 2012 08:53 AM (gZseM)

10 "OK your honor, and I just happen to have my copy of The United States Constitution, and I challenge you to show me where it says that I have to show you anything from your Koran."

Posted by: alppuccino at February 28, 2012 08:54 AM (+x10a)

11 Impeach him? Shit. If he is so damn in love with sharia law I say he should get sharia justice.What would they do in Bumfuck, Egypt if he forced Moose Limbs to read the Bible? The sword, I'll bet.

Posted by: maddogg at February 28, 2012 08:54 AM (OlN4e)

12 Wait. Is the judge implying that the guy's Zombie Mohammad costume was historically inaccurate? If true, that would be kind of an outrage. Most people go to parades to delight in visions of religious piety and historical realism and they are prone to rioting if they don't get those things.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 28, 2012 08:55 AM (+lsX1)

13 "Pam Gellar interviews" That's some funny shit, boy. "Kermit the Frog performs liposuction on Pope"

Posted by: Knucklehead id at February 28, 2012 08:56 AM (gZseM)

14 Do people still rely on things written, like, over 100 years ago?

Posted by: dudeonbreak at February 28, 2012 08:56 AM (BRa9r)

15 Maybe Obama will hold a bacon summit.

Posted by: Michael at February 28, 2012 08:56 AM (2fJD1)

16 I'm going to dress up as zombie Mohammed this year. Fuck this judge

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 28, 2012 08:57 AM (IkS4d)

17 Can a Judge be re-called if it is also an elected official?

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2012 08:57 AM (TomZ9)

18 What's the race of the judge/defendant?

Posted by: Cast Iron at February 28, 2012 08:57 AM (EL+OC)

19 un-friggin-believable..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 28, 2012 08:57 AM (f9c2L)

20 Also didn't the Judge himself badger the complainant? is that usual?
Does the man have a right to an appeal?

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2012 08:58 AM (TomZ9)

The more that people abuse our rights

I am damn serious when I ask if that judge would believe that I am uncovered meat if a Muslim man were to rape me. Because that seems wholly consistent with his interpertation.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at February 28, 2012 09:00 AM (VtjlW)

"ItÂ’s a right, itÂ’s not a privilege..."

For that statement alone this guy needs to be removed from the bench. Rights are more fundamental than privileges. Privileges can legally be taken away, rights cannot.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at February 28, 2012 09:00 AM (nZvGM)

23 Creeping. Sharia.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at February 28, 2012 09:00 AM (bqX/F)

24 Judge Martin: No, I donÂ’t think so. HereÂ’s the thing: ItÂ’s a right, itÂ’s not a privilege, itÂ’s a right. With rights come responsibilities.

yeah responsibilities to what truthiness? hell does this than give us the right to beat up others that are dishonest or stretch the truth, or we just disagree with their notion of truth?

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2012 09:00 AM (TomZ9)

25 9 C'mon, ace. Keep your focus on the issue that matters most to knuckleheads: Is it immoral to fuck my sister with a condom? Posted by: Knucklehead id at February 28, 2012 12:53 PM (gZseM) For as long as you and your sister have been goin' at it, she should almost be of age by now, no?

Posted by: alppuccino at February 28, 2012 09:01 AM (+x10a)

26 I thought that pretty much the whole point of the Bill of Rights was to protect people from losing them if they "abused" them. I was not aware that the first amendment was to protect speech that everybody likes.

Posted by: Michael at February 28, 2012 09:02 AM (2fJD1)

27 O/T: Third OH student has died. Local news radio reporting.

Posted by: Cast Iron at February 28, 2012 09:02 AM (EL+OC)

**spit**

Posted by: dananjcon at February 28, 2012 09:03 AM (8ieXv)

With rights come responsibilities

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Um, actually, with privileges come responsibilities.

But hey, let's all bow down to Mecca and get it over with already...

Posted by: Jay at February 28, 2012 09:03 AM (3LaGb)

30 >>> "With rights come responsibilities."

No, they don't.

They're just rights.

Posted by: Phinn at February 28, 2012 09:03 AM (KNtHw)

31 Do Not Insult Islam!

judge in the United States of America.
srsly, does this mean if demonstrators on the left are out their insulting jews, christians or Bush since i disagree i can beat them up? free pass?

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2012 09:05 AM (TomZ9)

32 Insty keeps hammering away at this and it's a point that needs to be made over and over again. People respond to incentives. Portions of Islam have made it clear via beheading that disrespect of Islam is dangerous. Thus, the logical conclusion is that if you want your religion to be respected, go out and start lopping off heads.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at February 28, 2012 09:05 AM (VtjlW)

33 out there* blush

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2012 09:05 AM (TomZ9)

34 ergMcmuffin whiffs again and again like a living cartoon.

erg, the barrel of the gun should be placed up against the roof of your mouth. If you attempt to give it fellatio, you'll only paralyze yourself. And that would be sad.

Sad, ergie. Sad, sad ergie.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at February 28, 2012 09:07 AM (9Hw3U)

35 The judge has now given Christians a BIG opening:
If a Muz opens its mouth and calls Jesus a prophet, the Christian can beat the shit out of it.
In court, hand the Muz a bible and ask where in the gospels does it say Jesus is a prophet?

Perfect.

Posted by: john b at February 28, 2012 09:07 AM (+KO1Z)

36 We are all now Strangers in our own Strange Land.

Posted by: USMC 8541 at February 28, 2012 09:08 AM (v3pYe)

37 All you have to do is turn on your teevee and watch your little xtian soldier Ricky S "honor religion." Eh. Koran thumpers v. Bible thumpers. Choose your god carefully, knuckleheads.

Posted by: Knucklehead id at February 28, 2012 09:09 AM (gZseM)

38 religion aside,how does only responsible speech be deemed lawful? and who decided?

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2012 09:09 AM (TomZ9)

39 This story would be better if it was not from Geller. I think shes as crazy as a shithouse rat.

Posted by: maddogg at February 28, 2012 09:09 AM (OlN4e)

This judge, Judge Mike Martin, is a real piece of work.

......

From the article......"...But Martin went on to reveal why he was ruling against the victim: "Then what you have done is you have completely trashed their essence, their being. They find it very very very offensive. I'm a Muslim, I find it offensive." He now denies that he is a Muslim, but that's what he said."

......

Obama's next Supreme Court nominee?

Posted by: wheatie at February 28, 2012 09:10 AM (UOOK1)

41 Wrap this judge up in a bacon suit and sit him down in the Mojave to sizzle for awhile until he comes to his senses.

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 28, 2012 09:10 AM (ZtwUX)

42 As a pennsylvanian, i hope this guy gets shitcanned

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at February 28, 2012 09:10 AM (/MVVZ)

43 fcol.
and who decided?* and who decides?*

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2012 09:11 AM (TomZ9)

44 Erg Loughner's been given online privileges again?

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 28, 2012 09:12 AM (vc/De)

45 Evidently, embedded deeply in the Constitution with the right to abortion on demand and free healthcare, is the right to not have your little feelers hurt. This judge should be removed from the bench forthwith.

Posted by: huerfano at February 28, 2012 09:12 AM (fIuC0)

PG: What is your reaction to the judge's telling you that what you did was offensive to Muslims?

To want to see the judge take a long, long ride in a Brazen Bull ... with Mo's face painted on t he bull's ass.

Posted by: really ... at February 28, 2012 09:12 AM (iOOXO)

47 Ergie, you've got to get back under the stairs. And quit huffing the paint, it just makes you all the more pathetic.

Posted by: joncelli at February 28, 2012 09:12 AM (RD7QR)

48 In all seriousness, how long will it take before we, as a people, wake up and realize that Islam itself is the enemy?

"Islamic extremism" is a phrased used to distract the world (to great effect) from the very simple truth that Islam itself is a cancer that must be utterly destroyed. There will be no peace with Islam, it does not seek peace. Islam lusts for death, and it is simply incredible at how ridiculously naive much of our own country is to its nature.

Incredible, and damned depressing.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at February 28, 2012 09:13 AM (bqX/F)

Daily Mail on the TJ Lane story:

http://bit.ly/yimARy

Every one of the shrinks and social workers and therapists and counselors in "the system", who were alerted to the existence of this little monster, but who did NOTHING, should be lined up against a wall and shot.

None of those poor boys should have been murdered yesterday.

Same story as VaTech.

Same story as Columbine.

"The System" knew all about the incipient disaster, but "the system" chose to do NOTHING.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 28, 2012 09:13 AM (Bjf6P)

50 The "religion" of islam is not a religion. It's a cult. We should no more respect it in a formal sense then we should respect Charles Manson or David Korresh. To respect it is to become subordinate to it and it's followers. These violent savages use the threat of violence to silence anyone who opposes their death cult. We can't lay under this threat if we expect to remain free.

Posted by: Havedash at February 28, 2012 09:13 AM (BRhGr)

51 Maybe we should all just cower in our houses for fear of offending someone somewhere. It's so much easier to be a sheep in the middle of the pack where the wolves can't get at you.

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 28, 2012 09:13 AM (ZtwUX)

52 >>" if you want your religion to be respected, go out and start lopping off heads" Don't give Atheist Rage Boys any ideas.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 28, 2012 09:14 AM (K4Ks5)

53 I think this Halloween we'll get our group to all go as Zombie Mohammed.

And ergie is on the computer because his mom's busy with her "date."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2012 09:14 AM (UOM48)

54 Keep at it ace. Keep at it until this shitbag is off the bench.

Posted by: yinzer at February 28, 2012 09:15 AM (/Mla1)

55 Islam = Satanic Death Cult

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2012 09:15 AM (UOM48)

I hope they are teaching the importance and long-standing place in American law for the Hecklers' Veto, now as much a part of our insane judicial system as the idea that empathy is one of the main determinations one should use to assess judges and justices.

Three millenia of Western civilization down the tubes in one retarded, ineligble Indonesian's term. Yay!

Constitutional Union of American States 2014

Posted by: really ... at February 28, 2012 09:15 AM (iOOXO)

57 Impeaching the judge is too lenient. Sure, he needs to lose his job, but I think fines and or punishment are in order as well, for attempting to undermine our bill of rights.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 28, 2012 09:16 AM (qx7YW)

58 fg-dssakes* ok is there anything in the works to remove this judge?
what recourse or legal action can be implemented, does one re-call a judge, or is the man's only option an appeal? with no recourse against the judge's breaking of his ability to uphold the contitution?

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2012 09:16 AM (TomZ9)

59 Where's the ACLU?

Posted by: yinzer at February 28, 2012 09:16 AM (/Mla1)

60 ""Impeaching the judge is too lenient. Sure, he needs to lose his job, but I think fines and or punishment are in order as well, for attempting to undermine our bill of rights.""

I vote for him being tossed out of a chopper at 3000 feet.

Posted by: Berserker at February 28, 2012 09:17 AM (FMbng)

Companies that react quickly to their dumb blunders cause business people to be thought of as "not very bright".

But yet, unwaivering unconstitutional judges are portrayed as righteous.

Where did he get his degree?

Posted by: SnowSun at February 28, 2012 09:17 AM (UAUr6)

62 I vote for him being tossed out of a chopper at 3000 feet.

Posted by: Berserker at February 28, 2012 01:17 PM (FMbng)

I vote for him being dropped onto a chopper from 10 feet.

Posted by: really ... at February 28, 2012 09:18 AM (iOOXO)

"C'mon, ace. Keep your focus on the issue that matters most to knuckleheads: Is it immoral to fuck my sister with a condom?"

Well, she's never asked me to put one on. Your mom's a little choosier, though. She doesn't want to repeat the mistake she made with you.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Clitoris at February 28, 2012 09:19 AM (zF6Iw)

64 Read the whole thing and Im flabbergasted.....

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2012 09:20 AM (C8hzL)

PG: What is your reaction to the judge's telling you that what you did was offensive to Muslims?

Pearce: You have nice jugs.

PG: GodDAMNIT, Ace!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 28, 2012 09:20 AM (Wi8JV)

66 living, breathing ,changing constitution.

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2012 09:21 AM (TomZ9)

67 Where's the ACLU?
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Unavailable for comment. They are all at the CAIR convention this week.

Posted by: ACLU Spokespersons Union Local #412 at February 28, 2012 09:22 AM (C8hzL)

68 65: Early threadwinner right there...

Posted by: Cold Rage at February 28, 2012 09:23 AM (KmsIg)

69 Thank you for hammering this Ace. This story has affected me more than any story since Fast and Furious.

Posted by: Truman North at February 28, 2012 09:24 AM (I2LwF)

70 37 All you have to do is turn on your teevee and watch your little xtian soldier Ricky S "honor religion."

Eh. Koran thumpers v. Bible thumpers. Choose your god carefully, knuckleheads.

Posted by: Knucklehead id at February 28, 2012 01:09 PM (gZseM)

Hmmm, a plane full of Christians and Jews vs a plane full of mooslims - which one would you feel safe about boarding? Go to Saudi Arabia and publicly express your opinion about "koran thumpers". Let us know how that works out for you. Pathetic. You can express your "xtian" hate all you like with no fear of having your head lopped off. Be a real big man and spew some mooslim hate in a moolim country. You just might see a little difference between Christians and mooslims then.

Posted by: Havedash at February 28, 2012 09:25 AM (BRhGr)

71 "Thus, the logical conclusion is that if you want your religion to be respected, go out and start lopping off heads."

Alexthechick is right and so is Reynolds, radical Muslims already have the west on the run due to fear of bodily harm.

When and where is the protest? Can we all please dress up like Zombie Mohammed (I don't really want to do that, but gosh darn it I will for freedom's sake) and picket this courthouse?

Can it please be after the end of tax season, since I have 2 jobs right now.

I called the governor's office and per the nice young man I spoke with the Gov. has NO CONTROL of the judges, and there essentially is no hierarchy, they are elected, they serve their 6 year term, and then they fact the voters again.

So clearly, it is time for occupy sharia-infested Pennsylvannia.

Posted by: jocon307 at February 28, 2012 09:25 AM (QDPDH)

72 >>> "C'mon, ace. Keep your focus on the issue that matters most to knuckleheads: Is it immoral to fuck my sister with a condom?"

None of the guys on the video were using a condom when they were fucking your sister.

They should, though. Germ theory of disease, and all that.

Posted by: Phinn at February 28, 2012 09:25 AM (KNtHw)

73 ROFLMHO! You will do nothing but submit. So STFU and go back to your beer & pron. Welcome to the Stealth Caliphate, morons.

Posted by: Like I Said at February 28, 2012 09:26 AM (+1mNA)

Just wow! Not only will this judge not get any heat, he'll have his own show on MSNBC by Friday.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at February 28, 2012 09:26 AM (Df/CP)

I assume that this is reversed on appeal, and that Pence receives compensation from the attacker. Legal question: Should the State of Pennsylvania also be liable for compensatory damages to Pence, seeing as they allowed an incompetent judge to remain on the bench?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 28, 2012 09:26 AM (qx7YW)

52 >>" if you want your religion to be respected, go out and start lopping off heads"

**

Ok...Excellent!! You do that while I start corn-holing small boys and farm animals.

Posted by: Achmed Knucklehead Muzzie Shit Stain III at February 28, 2012 09:27 AM (8ieXv)

77 I listened to the clip here at lunch, and the Judge still has a incorrect view of the First Amendment - i.e. that speech is not supposed to piss off another person.

Ah, yeah, it can and often does - there is no "offended" defense. Chr!st, most commentary would be shut down if that were the case. It can be limited by govt. if obscene (p0rn0) or if it is a true threat (fighting words).

And even then, it's subject to strict scrutiny, i.e. the highest level of constitutional balancing test, meaning govt. better have a d@mn good reason, and not something that favors one view over another.

He also brings up how what the atheist did would be punishable by death in another country, almost approvingly, like "you could have been killed for this in Asscrackinsthan, be lucky you did it here" kind of vibe.

"You have that right, but you're way outside the boundaries of the First Amendment". Ah, no, he ain't. Take a CLE on Constitutional law.

Posted by: Saltyron at February 28, 2012 09:27 AM (IkvAb)

78 The Judge also goes out of his WAY to do a little sermon on the Religion, and in the process, explains that Islam is not just a religion, it is a culture. BINGO and that's what's wrong with it - they have no version of "secularism" over there, "you trashed his very essence".

And that's the main problem - if you piss the Muslim off in any way, he attributes the insult to his God, and thus, heads roll. It's like hanging out with someone who goes from calm to insane with rage over one comment that fouls his view of life.

My guess is, this is his military "PC" thinking, having served in such a country, he was taught/trained to shut his mouth. Well, welcome back to good old Uh-merica, where we don't have to do that. And the Judge is alibiing this behavior and mindset, cause in Asscrackinsthan, it's ok.

Well, your "Honor" it ain't ok here. When you're lecturing the atheist for being an @sshole, take time to remind Abdul that he's not in Mecca anymore, Toto.

And unlike in Saudi, women, children and infidels can walk through the same door to McDonald's you do champ, so don't slam her face with the door when you go there to grab a Happy Meal.

The Magisterial District JudgeÂ’s lecture IS the problem Â– he could have easily just have said Â“insufficient evidenceÂ” and been done with it. And given the facts (as reported, anyway), heÂ’d have been free, clear and justified. Instead, the MDJ went out of his way to school the atheist on Islam, and in the process, revealed his rationale which went toward his judgment (or else heÂ’d never have mentioned it) Â– that the atheistÂ’s actions were bad, ignorant, and offensive, yadda yadda yadda, subtly insulted him, and, by default, Â“foundÂ” for the defendant. Because his lecture revealed that even if the defendant committed the act, it was apparently Â“justifiableÂ” in some fashion to the MDJ. He goes into a whole spiel about how Â“ugly AmericansÂ” donÂ’t care about anotherÂ’s Â“sayÂ” Â– weÂ’ll, physically attacking someone(if it happened) is not a Â“protectedÂ” form of speech Â– itÂ’s not a Â“sayÂ”.
The rationale is wrong and dangerous (itÂ’s not Â“obsceneÂ” nor Â“fighting wordsÂ”), and if MDJ decisions actually carried legal weight, would be a very bad precedent.

Posted by: Saltyron at February 28, 2012 09:28 AM (IkvAb)

79 I'd donate to recall the asshole Sharia loving douchebag of a judge. People in PA may be slow but they aren't completely stupid.

Posted by: mpfs at February 28, 2012 09:29 AM (iYbLN)

80 Dempsey: I didn't counsel Israel against Iran strike Published: 02.28.12, 19:50 / Israel News Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Army General Martin Dempsey said at a Senate hearing that he did not counsel Israel against attacking Iran over its nuclear program. Dempsey added: Â“WeÂ’ve had a conversation with them about time, the issue of time.Â” (Yitzhak Benhorin, Washington) ??? Yeah you just went to Israel for some coffee and cakes?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2012 09:33 AM (i6RpT)

Does this guy shout "allahu akbar" when pounding his gavel?

Posted by: Insomniac at February 28, 2012 09:33 AM (DrWcr)

82 You know what is ironic? Islam is the new gay.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 28, 2012 09:34 AM (Hx5uv)

83 Silence in the courtroom! I KEEL YOU!!

Posted by: Judge Achmed Martin at February 28, 2012 09:35 AM (DrWcr)

84 10 to 1 this turd just made Obama's short list of Supreme Court nominees if there's another opening on his watch.

Posted by: yinzer at February 28, 2012 09:36 AM (/Mla1)

85 I wouldn't have been able to keep my mouth shut when this judge got done lecturing me. The moron horde would have to take up a collection for all the contempt charges I would ring up.

Posted by: mpfs at February 28, 2012 09:36 AM (iYbLN)

86 @82: I'm still waiting for "Queers for Palestine" to show up in Gaza and try to hold a SF-style parade with public BJs and stuff.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 28, 2012 09:38 AM (tqwMN)

87 Horsewhip the cocksucker. Only way he'll learn. The judge, I say, the judge, that is.

Posted by: Mike James at February 28, 2012 09:40 AM (spLGA)

88 Does this guy shout "allahu akbar" when pounding his gavel? Posted by: Insomniac at February 28, 2012 01:33 PM (DrWcr) No but he does when he pounds his........

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2012 09:40 AM (i6RpT)

89 Horsewhip the cocksucker. Only way he'll learn. The judge, I say, the judge, that is. Posted by: Mike James at February 28, 2012 01:40 PM (spLGA) here cum da Judge, here cum da judge, here cum da judge

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2012 09:42 AM (i6RpT)

90 I expect the DoJ Civil Rights Division to swoop down any minute now, and I'm going to hold my breath until they do ...

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2012 09:45 AM (WkuV6)

91 90 I expect the DoJ Civil Rights Division to swoop down any minute now, and I'm going to hold my breath until they do ...

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2012 01:45 PM (WkuV6)

We'll miss you.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 28, 2012 09:46 AM (v+QvA)

92 How is this judge not impeached yet?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2012 09:51 AM (LTiVC)

93 I wouldn't have been able to keep my mouth shut when this judge got done lecturing me. The moron horde would have to take up a collection for all the contempt charges I would ring up. Posted by: mpfs Thats actually what the guy should have done, that would have given him some standing to go over this clown.

Posted by: Jean, turning blue at February 28, 2012 09:52 AM (WkuV6)

94 creep creep creep

Posted by: Brian at February 28, 2012 09:56 AM (wTSvK)

95 "I thought, 'I'm not going to challenge you to a debate, and who in the hell are you to require me to read a Koran?'"

His mistake was in thinking something that should have been said out loud.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at February 28, 2012 09:57 AM (1rHeD)

96 How is this judge not impeached yet?

See? See why I hate the legal profession? It is completely self-regulated inasmuch as it is not.

We need civilian oversight of the corrupt legal profession.

Judges can just make up whatever shit they want. They don't have to have any legal basis at all. Literally, they can make it up. Who cares? No real consequences.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 28, 2012 09:59 AM (T0NGe)

So, have we come to that point in time? The point where my religion out weighs the laws of my land. Take for example the case where I might not wish to pay for some aspect of health care, a law of the land, when doing so would cause me to be at odds with my faith. Then, because I am a devious bastard Democrat/Socialist/Islamist, I turn that right back upon you by telling you that my Mohammedan belief system out weighs the laws of the land, because those laws are at odds with my faith. I fear the slippery slope.

Posted by: And Irresolute at February 28, 2012 10:02 AM (RC3M9)

98 Of course, all of this is because one religion kills people who mock it. You can say anything you want about Krishna, Buddha, Confucius and Jesus.

And, frankly, it took a long time for Western civilization to get to this point and most of that is because we decided that, no, we can disagree with the church on religion. We can dispute a cleric's interpretation. But Islam is a one-way ratchet. The most extreme interpretation always wins.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 28, 2012 10:03 AM (T0NGe)

99 waiting

Posted by: Jean, turning blue at February 28, 2012 10:07 AM (WkuV6)

100 Take a CLE on Constitutional law.

What is it about the low IQ of lawyers that they even need this?

The Constitution: It ain't long, it ain't complicated and it's in English.

If you have to sit around arguing "interpretations" that have six degrees of separation from the actual text, you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 28, 2012 10:07 AM (T0NGe)

101 I assume that this is reversed on appeal, and that Pence receives compensation from the attacker

My guess is this gets a "let's drop it" from the prosecutor's office and that Pence becomes a rich man from a civil suit.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 28, 2012 10:08 AM (T0NGe)

102 Where's the ACLU?
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Unavailable for comment. They are all at the CAIR convention this week.

Separation of church and state unless it's one of those killy religions.

I wonder what feminists think when they see a woman with a hijab. It pisses me the hell off but even more so when I have to hear feminists talk about a patriarchal society.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 28, 2012 10:14 AM (T0NGe)

103 My sharia amoor,
silly little Constitution that I ignore.

WTF is it with hearing some cleric yelling from a minaret 5 times a day that it causes severe retardation? The Mexican 2-stroke bandits are here making more noise than that every week grounds-keeping and it doesn't have a distinct effect on the amount of nachos I eat.

Posted by: DaveA at February 28, 2012 10:14 AM (2eUbq)

104 Just saw a news item from Britain, an author was detained at an airport for "racist statements," referring to head-covering. Obviously, not only is Islam a race, fashion is, as well. There is something I observed in the "La Raza" "El Bigoto" debate, there is a contingent who believes that "race" refers to any group you want it to, whether the common thread is religion, language, or heritage. They *literally* believe that any criticism of a favored group is "racism," despite lack of any real connection to race. The best part was, the immediate reaction of airport security was "you're not allowed to say that." Bye bye, Britain! I can laugh because we aren't *quite* that far down the road yet. We may be falling, but you'll hit first!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 28, 2012 10:17 AM (bxiXv)

105 #41: wrap him in bacon and let him be licked by dogs.

Posted by: Moe Ron at February 28, 2012 10:19 AM (yWDpP)

106 Old Media trick #2,947: On CNN, if the story is running against the Islamic point-of-view, all of a sudden it's diminished to "he said, she said." The confusion over small details of the original assault case (which no one cares about -- they care about this a-hole judge) are exaggerated to make it appear that everything might be "A-OK, nothing to see here, just a misunderstanding."

Posted by: Bang Out Of Order at February 28, 2012 10:19 AM (1H47k)

107 First Amendment - i.e. that speech is not supposed to piss off another person.

Anything to more than a few people that doesn't piss off someone is either a waste of time or said too quietly.

Posted by: DaveA at February 28, 2012 10:20 AM (2eUbq)

108

Mixed emotions on this one.

The prospect of creeping Shariah is definitely terrifying and I think that this ruling should disqualify this judge from ever sitting on the bench again. However I've got no sympathy for these obnoxious, shit disturbing atheists and I am glad at least one of them received a beatdown. These jerkoffs are no better than Fred Phelps and his inbred, attention whoring clan.

If only there were some way both sides could lose this one.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at February 28, 2012 10:21 AM (ZETiK)

109 ++Just saw a news item from Britain, an author was detained at an airport for "racist statements," referring to head-covering.++

Like Billy Crystal's OMG-racist "blackface" (which wasn't blackface at all) and the "racism" of putting fortune cookies in an ice cream that celebrates a Chinese guy. Racism is whatever the white-guilt-peddlers say it is.

Posted by: Bang Out Of Order at February 28, 2012 10:24 AM (1H47k)

110 As I am sure has been pointed out already, any idiot can defend offensive speech (literally, speech that could give offense) that they personally agree with - the MSM does it all the time for liberals. But if you are a public servant and not willing to defend offensive speech you do NOT agree with, you are worse than worthless, you are a danger to our Constitution and the rule of law.

Posted by: sherlock at February 28, 2012 10:24 AM (7UMow)

111 Why are you staring at my breasts?

Posted by: Pamella Gellar at February 28, 2012 10:24 AM (vXr7p)

112 " Interviewer to Judge Martin: Â… There are some who believe you were failing to protect that right. Judge Martin: No, I donÂ’t think so. HereÂ’s the thing: ItÂ’s a right, itÂ’s not a privilege, itÂ’s a right. With rights come responsibilities. The more that people abuse our rights, the more likely that weÂ’re going to lose them. " Judge Martin fails to understand that if we "lose" our rights then he is not a judge and the government is not a government. Police are not police. They all just thugs. If you won't defend the rights granted the citizenry in the constitution then the citizens have no reason to abide by any other part of the constitution and you will lose any and all authority it grants. You are part of tyranny and an enemy of the citizens to be pulled down with whatever degree of force is necessary. The constitution is the only thing that obligates us to listen to judges or endure them. Judge Martin has a false idea of who is master and servant.

Posted by: cackfinger at February 28, 2012 10:29 AM (a9mQu)

113 Re 112: And there are millions who agree with him.

Sometimes I think that 50% of classes from K-12 should be solid civics (from an educated educator).

Posted by: Tonic Dog at February 28, 2012 10:33 AM (X/+QT)

114 Judge Martin: No, I donÂ’t think so. HereÂ’s the thing: ItÂ’s a right, itÂ’s not a privilege, itÂ’s a right. With rights come responsibilities. The more that people abuse our rights, the more likely that weÂ’re going to lose them.

I'm no lawyer but I don't accept the idea that rights have responsibilities. Sure a right may have defined limitations, but within those limits anything goes - you can be as irresponsible as you wish. The freedom to be stupid and say dumb 'irresponsible' shit is what freedom of speech ultimately is.

Posted by: Mætenloch at February 28, 2012 10:35 AM (CkoMi)

115 Maybe I'm missing something here, but it seems to me judges do this sort of thing all the time. By "this sort of thing" I mean lecturing people who stand before them. What comes out of their mouths, just like everything else in our society, is supposed to be protected speech, isn't it? In other words, if a judge says "you don't have a right to say that," ironically, his pronouncement is protected speech, just like the thing he says you don't have a right to say is protected. So the only question is, did his pronouncements carry the weight of the law? From what I'm reading here, they do, and that would be the basis for having him removed from the bench, if someone wants to proceed in that direction. We have to be careful though, as a society. Judges have just as much of a right to say stupid things as the rest of us, and from what little experience I have standing in front of them, they have no problem at all exercising that right.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2012 10:36 AM (Gc/Qi)

116

In the 1300s, the Byzantine Emperor Manuel II attempted to accommodate the encroaching Ottoman Empire. "...the Sultan ordered a huge Turkish quarter to be set up in Constantinople that was independent of Byzantine authorities and governed instead by Muslim judges." ..from the book Lost to the West by Lars Brownworth. Within a generation, Constantinople became Istanbul.

Wake up people, this is nothing new. Learn your history and find that the techniques and rationale of Islam have never changed.

Posted by: Libra at February 28, 2012 10:58 AM (kd8U8)

117 I posted two links on this story a few days ago. I had to speculate that there was more to the story than what we were hearing because it was so outrageous.

Does anyone know anything that would clarify or excuse why this judge did this shit because it is clearly unconstitutional and illegal.

Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2012 11:07 AM (YdQQY)

118 Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2012 02:36 PM (Gc/Qi)
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He can only excuse assault from an individual based on self defense. Fighting words are ot considered "free speech" but assault is not excused by fighting words either,

Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2012 11:09 AM (YdQQY)

119 Mr Ace, it's Pamela GellER, not GellAR

I would think you'd know that for all the time you spent staring at the tit my name tag is pinned to!

Posted by: Pamela Geller at February 28, 2012 11:59 AM (Y+DPZ)

120 Fine by me. Muslims have proven to be largely intolerant, and, indeed, downright murderous. They have a right to freedom of religion, but with that right comes responsibilities - like not breeding more terrorists in their mosques. They've chosen to ignore those responsibilities. Ergo, their right to freedom of religion should be revoked and every muslim forced to renounce Islam or be deported, post haste. Thanks for the precedence allowing us to finally outlaw Islam, and, hopefully stamp it out, like it should have been 500 years ago.

Posted by: blindside at February 28, 2012 11:59 AM (x7g7t)

121 What a disgusting and cowardly judge! A sad day for atheism in America.

Posted by: Jordan at February 28, 2012 12:33 PM (RSG1I)

122

The judge kept bragging about how many years he'd spent in Islamic countries.

* * * * * * * * * * * *

We once had an idiotic presidential candidate who did the same thing. Called himself a "Citizen of the World" (whatever the hell that is), and boasted about how he'd lived in Indonesia for several years and found the Muslim call to prayer one of the most beautiful sounds in all the world.

Wonder what ever happened to that fool? Oh, wait . . . .

Posted by: AZC at February 28, 2012 12:45 PM (WvS06)

123 ""Wonder what ever happened to that fool? Oh, wait . . . ."

He became president, ran the country into the ground, locked in his win for "biggest douchetool to infest the white house", and everyone lived crappy ever after.

Posted by: Berserker at February 28, 2012 12:53 PM (FMbng)

124 And yet Newt was ridiculed by some for saying judges should be made to explain their actions, impeached for their actions, etc. Maybe he said it clumsily, but this is just another example of a member of the judiciary going off reservation and not being held to account. If this judge was a doctor, he just cut off a man's penis instead of providing stitches for a small wound. Said doctor would (should) be drummed out of the medical profession, and this judge should be done likewise.

Posted by: Jon in TX at February 28, 2012 01:43 PM (lRqIF)

125 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2012 01:48 PM (7W3wI)

126 Islam is a theocratic movement running under the guise of a religion. They cannot be separated. While the Constitution protetcts religion, it does not admit for replacing the government. This is the great mistake that is being made when citing the 1st Amendment in Islam's protection. It is a cruel and inhumane and has not chaged since its inception.

Posted by: Libra at February 28, 2012 01:49 PM (kd8U8)

127 You have the responsibility to shut your filthy politically-incorrect mouth.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2012 03:58 PM (8XumG)

128 Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of Leftist law and in the court of public opinion.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2012 04:01 PM (8XumG)

129 #37-Go fuck yourself cunt.

Posted by: Lopan at February 28, 2012 05:57 PM (qLbdy)

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