January 03, 2012
— Ace I say rumors because, like, it's just getting started. I don't know when the results come in.
At 9pm Eastern I'll join the Howe brothers on a live-streamed podcast at FTRRadio. (Link should be is fixed.)
By the way, our own Russ From Winterset is caucusing tonight, and he'll file a first-person report later, at around 11.
County By County: Neat tool. Not really sure how to read it, but Google has a map which purports to track results as they come in.
Via @starchambermaid
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Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 03, 2012 04:03 PM (7utQ2)
FOX says preliminary enterance polls have it a 3 man race b/w Mitt, Santorum, & Paul
Perry supposedly not doing so well, but he's gonna go make a plea in a caucus site, interesting
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:04 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:04 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 08:04 PM (i6RpT)
at the risk of pissing a lot of my fellow morons, there's gonna be a lot of drunk morons after tonight when they see Perry's performance
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:05 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 03, 2012 04:06 PM (3fcX2)
Posted by: dudeonbreak at January 03, 2012 04:06 PM (BRa9r)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:06 PM (uwppY)
Perry supposedly not doing so well, but he's gonna go make a plea in a caucus site, interesting
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 08:04 PM (uwppY)
Really? I was hoping his ground game could surprise.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 04:06 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: The Ghost of Harold Stassen, Perennian Republican Candidate at January 03, 2012 04:07 PM (TkGkA)
Really? I was hoping his ground game could surprise.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 08:06 PM (FKQng)
Perry's been doing much worse then you guys would like to think, however since it is a caucus he can still shock everyone if folks change their mind, but I doubt it
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:08 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 03, 2012 04:08 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: Jose at January 03, 2012 08:08 PM (srIqv)
no TV?
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:09 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: Bob_B at January 03, 2012 04:09 PM (pVvkk)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2012 04:09 PM (ceK0m)
no TV?
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 08:09 PM (uwppY)
just rabbit ears
Posted by: Jose at January 03, 2012 04:09 PM (srIqv)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 04:09 PM (Qjh0I)
Perry's had a fork in him for weeks. The electorate can be fickle... but jeez.
I read that as fecal.
Posted by: dudeonbreak at January 03, 2012 04:10 PM (BRa9r)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 03, 2012 04:10 PM (CIPvL)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:10 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: stuiec at January 03, 2012 04:11 PM (Di3Im)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 03, 2012 04:11 PM (CIPvL)
Posted by: Defeat Paul, What a Loon at January 03, 2012 04:11 PM (gj4aA)
Posted by: filbert at January 03, 2012 04:11 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: toby928© posting from the future
Go on, tell us what it's full of!
Lousy candidates?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 03, 2012 04:11 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:11 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 03, 2012 04:11 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2012 04:12 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 04:12 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:12 PM (i6RpT)
It's going to be a long three weeks.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 03, 2012 04:12 PM (diO4R)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 08:10 PM (zLeKL)
I predict he finishes 5th
according to enterance polls Paul is barely winning the Tea Party vote and Romney is winning the electable issue
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:13 PM (uwppY)
And hosted by some guy called Rick Folbaum, instead of the hoped-for Blonde Bombshell Trio of Kelly, Huddy and McCallum.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 03, 2012 04:13 PM (3fcX2)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2012 04:13 PM (ceK0m)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (jJTjZ)
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© sez F--- Nevada (and the silicone plague)! at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (Fs7RJ)
TheFix Entrance polls tells us 2012 electorate is older and with more indies/moderates than 2008. #iacaucus
TheFix Good sign for Romney. Entrance polls says more impt characteristic in GOP nominee is ability to beat Obama. #iacaucus
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Defeat Paul, What a Loon at January 03, 2012 08:11 PM (gj4aA)
Fix you keyboard, Butt Munch.
Posted by: Beavis at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 08:10 PM (zLeKL)
I agree. 4th means he's "up there" with Romney and Paul and the third guy (Gingrich or Santorum). 5th means he's "down there" with Bachman and Huntsman and whoever. That's because Perry's poll numbers in South Carolina and Florida are really low.
For Gingrich, the calculation is different. He's leading in the polls in South Carolina and Florida, so even a 5th-place finish in Iowa won't stop him cold. (It might even help him in the sense that other states like to 'cock a snook' at Iowa from time to time.)
Posted by: stuiec at January 03, 2012 04:15 PM (Di3Im)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:15 PM (uwppY)
Though I suppose this could also help Santorum, the latest FotM.
Of course, I'm still hoping for a Perry miracle. Or at least a last minute meteor.
Posted by: mugiwara at January 03, 2012 04:15 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2012 04:16 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:16 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 04:16 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Dan Rather at January 03, 2012 04:17 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Dave S. at January 03, 2012 04:17 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: stuiec at January 03, 2012 08:11 PM (Di3Im)
Is there a difference?
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 08:11 PM (i6RpT)
There is: I don't think you can blame Ace for the raw sewage of Iowa politics.
Posted by: stuiec at January 03, 2012 04:17 PM (Di3Im)
Posted by: Timin203 at January 03, 2012 04:17 PM (QrQus)
If Paul and Santorum finish #1 and #2 then this whole Iowa caucus thing was a massive waste of time and money. It makes me think of the old bromide about the city slicker coming out to the country thinking he's going to fleece the dumb rubes, only he's the one who ends up getting fleeced.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (diO4R)
Posted by: Dave S. at January 03, 2012 08:17 PM (UvR6d)
It wasn't Bachmann who caused Pawlenty's testicles to shrivel to raisins. That was all his own doing.
Posted by: stuiec at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (Di3Im)
Posted by: observer at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (qLt2k)
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Earth Bound Misfit at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (jiwQf)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (d6QMz)
What is known as the "Zoot Suit Riots" occurred between the gangs of predominantly black and Mexican youths who were at the forefront of the zoot-suit subculture, and the predominantly white American servicemen stationed along the Pacific coast. On the night of June 3, 1943, eleven sailors on shore leave stated that they were attacked by a group of Mexican pachucos. In response to this, a group of over 200 uniformed sailors chartered 20 cabs and charged into the Mexican American community in East Los Angeles. Any zoot suiter was fair game. On this and the following nights, many a zoot suiters were beaten by this mob and stripped of their clothes, their zoot suits, on the spot. Nine sailors were arrested during these disturbances, not one was charged with any crime. On the following nights of June 4th and 5th, the uniformed servicemen (by this time the sailors had been joined by soldiers and marines) again invaded East Los Angeles, marching abreast down the streets, breaking into bars and theaters, and assaulting anyone in their way. Not one was arrested by the Police or the Sheriff. In fact, the servicemen were portrayed in the local press as heroes stemming the tide of the "Mexican Crime Wave." During the nights of June 6th and 7th, these scenes were again repeated. Time Magazine later reported that, "The police practice was to accompany the caravans of soldiers and sailors in police cars, watch the beatings and jail the victims." Police arrested over 600 Chicano youths without cause and labeled the arrests 'preventive' action. Los Angelenos cheered on the servicemen and their civilian allies." Finally, at midnight on June 7th, the military authorities moved to stop the rioting of their personnel, and Los Angeles was declared off limits for all military personnel.
California's State Senators were concerned about the adverse effect that the events might have on the relationship between the United States and Mexico. An item in the Los Angeles Times stated, "San Francisco Senator Downey declared that the riots may have 'extremely grave consequences' in impairing relations between the United States and Mexico, and may endanger the program of importing Mexican labor to aid in harvesting California crops." These fears were compounded when the Mexican Embassy formally drew the Zoot-Suit Riots to the attention of the State Department. It was the fear of an international incident that could only have an adverse effect on California's economy that motivated California Governor Warren to order a public investigation into the causes of the riots.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:19 PM (5H6zj)
There is: I don't think you can blame Ace for the raw sewage of Iowa politics.
But we might be able to blame Iowa for ace's raw sewage.
Posted by: dudeonbreak at January 03, 2012 04:19 PM (BRa9r)
Posted by: USA at January 03, 2012 04:19 PM (6Cjut)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 03, 2012 04:19 PM (DiqH3)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 04:20 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:20 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: sifty at January 03, 2012 04:21 PM (WsOiK)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 03, 2012 04:21 PM (jJTjZ)
Posted by: cthulhu at January 03, 2012 04:21 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: mpfs at January 03, 2012 04:21 PM (HmZoH)
And their license plates have that acronym on them:
Idiots
Out
Wandering
Around
Posted by: filbert at January 03, 2012 04:22 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: Earth Bound Misfit at January 03, 2012 04:22 PM (jiwQf)
If Paul wins, it's apt.
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 04:22 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Doc at January 03, 2012 04:23 PM (/h3en)
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© sez F--- Nevada (and the silicone plague)! at January 03, 2012 08:14 PM (Fs7RJ)
Meteors for VP!
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 03, 2012 04:23 PM (4q5tP)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 08:20 PM (uwppY)
oh yeah I forgot about that. Exit polling stated Kerry in 2004 general election as well.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 04:23 PM (FKQng)
No one spoke for Huntsman or Cain. "Cold" volunteer for Newt - who knew Newt's record well. Talking points for Bachmann.
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:23 PM (5H6zj)
The Iowa Caucuses. It's like herding retards. Retards with head wounds.
I'm reminded of the picnic in the park scene from, 'There's Something About Mary'.
Posted by: luaP noR at January 03, 2012 04:24 PM (CSyi3)
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:24 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 04:24 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:24 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: Karl Rove's Encephalopathic Brain at January 03, 2012 04:24 PM (eHIJJ)
Are there Jooos in Iowa or are there more cows?
Posted by: mpfs at January 03, 2012 08:21 PM (HmZoH)
Yeah, there's a few Joos, but we black folk outnumber the Joos. There's 16 of us and Hattie Mae is pregnant with twins.
Posted by: Alvin Greene's brother Snickers Greene at January 03, 2012 04:25 PM (TkGkA)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 03, 2012 04:25 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Dan Rather at January 03, 2012 04:25 PM (6Cjut)
Posted by: Yip in Texas at January 03, 2012 04:25 PM (cQhQZ)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 03, 2012 08:18 PM (diO4R)
Mr. Haney? Is that you?
Posted by: Mr. Douglas with the hotwife at January 03, 2012 04:26 PM (4q5tP)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2012 04:26 PM (ceK0m)
Posted by: sifty at January 03, 2012 04:27 PM (WsOiK)
Posted by: toby928© loyal servant of the Hebraic Overlords at January 03, 2012 04:27 PM (GTbGH)
If elected, what will you do to contain the Bilderberger threat?
Will you release secret government documents on contrails?
Will you release any information we have on the planning of the 9-11 attacks?
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 04:27 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 03, 2012 04:27 PM (Gc/Qi)
Rumors?
Here's one.
I heard the only thing bigger than an Iowan's feeling of self-importance during caucus time is his wife. Who is also his sister. Because they are a bunch of corn-shucking crackers.
Posted by: CAC at January 03, 2012 04:27 PM (mPDs/)
An ace that lands in front of the hole, essentially blocking the hole from sliders.
This is an awesome sentence.
Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2012 04:27 PM (CSyi3)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 08:20 PM (uwppY)
Not only win, but win by a good-sized margin.
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 04:28 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Red Shirt at January 03, 2012 04:28 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 03, 2012 04:29 PM (3fcX2)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:29 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:29 PM (i6RpT)
Is this thread BM free? Because the Keif thread was really graphic.
I predict some weird white guys will win the Iowa Caucus.
Posted by: ParanoidStillAGirlInSeattle at January 03, 2012 04:29 PM (RZ8pf)
After living here for a year and change I gotta tell you all that basing Romney's ability to govern the USA on taking the Utah Olympics out of mismanagement and into the black is silly.
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:29 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 04:29 PM (MMC8r)
...Dirty bag A bag that is on the ground or is hanging off the board touching the ground.[5] Dirty roll up A point scored when the bag hits the ground before landing on the board.[5] Gusher or double deuce or Catorce Four cornholes by a single player in a single round...
this is full of win.
kudos eoj!
Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2012 04:30 PM (CSyi3)
as caucus winner and "cornhole",
Huh huh, "entrance poles."
This situation will get out of hand. It will get out of hand and we will be lucky to survive it.
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 03, 2012 04:30 PM (PAyD5)
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at January 03, 2012 04:30 PM (fwD86)
Fuckin' A!!
Posted by: BigWyo at January 03, 2012 08:28 PM (3wgYt)
That's adorable.
Posted by: Betelgeuse and Eta Carinae simultaneously eh-sploding. at January 03, 2012 04:30 PM (mPDs/)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 04:31 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 04:31 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:31 PM (5H6zj)
Two bongos, one drumstick.
Posted by: Fritz at January 03, 2012 04:31 PM (FabC8)
Posted by: Gilligan at January 03, 2012 04:31 PM (aFxlY)
I'm reminded of the picnic in the park scene from, 'There's Something About Mary'.
Posted by: luaP noR at January 03, 2012 08:24 PM (CSyi3)
It was "The Nutty Professor". If I see a flying hamster, I'm outta here!
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 03, 2012 04:32 PM (PAyD5)
You missed "rusty trombone" -- where the bag tears and scatters filling all over the board, "dirty Sanchez" -- where a bag that has been rubbed in the dirt leaves a brown smear across the board when thrown, and a "Cleveland steamer" -- where the bag is stretched completely across the hole.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 03, 2012 04:33 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Bawney Fwank at January 03, 2012 04:33 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 03, 2012 04:33 PM (3fcX2)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 08:31 PM (FKQng)
You are wasting your money on college. Seriously. They should be paying you to teach other people this kind of stuff.
Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2012 04:33 PM (CSyi3)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 04:33 PM (niZvt)
Some people mismarked their ballots. Needed new ones.
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:34 PM (5H6zj)
Based on the entrance polls, that seems to be a wise decision
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 04:35 PM (LnQhT)
You are wasting your money on college. Seriously. They should be paying you to teach other people this kind of stuff.
Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2012 08:33 PM (CSyi3)
I wish I would be able too but it seems by the time I get into the job market, people will start needing graduate degrees. If there was a time I wish would be here, is the days when a high school degree was good enough.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 04:35 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 03, 2012 04:36 PM (npr0X)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2012 04:36 PM (ceK0m)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 08:35 PM (d6QMz)
on FOX? that's his wife
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:36 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 03, 2012 04:36 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 03, 2012 08:33 PM (3fcX2)
Why I stick to online news sources. I used to watch Fox for an occasional beck but he went all religious on his shows instead of punching liberals so I left. And BOR is a d-bag and Hannity is a talking points fountain.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 04:37 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 04:37 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:37 PM (i6RpT)
Wait, so Iowa is THAT relevant now?
Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 04:37 PM (rQ/Ue)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 08:35 PM (d6QMz)
on FOX? that's his wife
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 04:38 PM (d6QMz)
Actually, no.
A friend does business with some Amish farmers. One of the guys, the lead farmer, is allowed to use various forms of technology to conduct his business. He's limited as to how much he can - fly/phone/text/etc - per unit of time, but as long as it's for work, he can do a certain amount.
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:38 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: S Daniel at January 03, 2012 04:38 PM (F40+0)
Is this thread BM free? Because the Keif thread was really graphic.
I predict some weird white guys will win the Iowa Caucus.
Posted by: ParanoidStillAGirlInSeattle at January 03, 2012 08:29 PM (RZ8pf)
Sadly, no. The Iowa Caucuses are basically a huge steaming pile of political dung. Which appears to be the theme of the evening here at AoSHQ.
Posted by: filbert at January 03, 2012 04:38 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 03, 2012 04:38 PM (V6fqC)
Posted by: Jose at January 03, 2012 04:39 PM (srIqv)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2012 04:39 PM (ceK0m)
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 04:39 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: S Daniel at January 03, 2012 08:38 PM (F40+0)
It discredits this stupid cockus
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 04:39 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:39 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 03, 2012 04:40 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 04:40 PM (TCgts)
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 04:40 PM (LnQhT)
Posted by: Dick_Nixon at January 03, 2012 04:40 PM (1PmUD)
Posted by: bergerbilder at January 03, 2012 04:40 PM (j+Izh)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 04:40 PM (niZvt)
Sadly, no. The Iowa Caucuses are basically a huge steaming pile of political dung. Which appears to be the theme of the evening here at AoSHQ.
Posted by: filbert at January 03, 2012 08:38 PM (smvTK)
From what I heard, Ace's dung would not pile up.
Posted by: here say at January 03, 2012 04:41 PM (PAyD5)
Or Who gives a shit.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at January 03, 2012 08:36 PM (hXJOG)
It's listed but not included in my package with DishTV, and I have an upgraded package. Neither is MSNBC.
Wow, that Google Map is pretty frickin' cool.
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at January 03, 2012 04:41 PM (4136b)
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 04:41 PM (TCgts)
Posted by: Red Shirt at January 03, 2012 04:41 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 03, 2012 04:41 PM (npr0X)
Posted by: bergerbilder at January 03, 2012 08:40 PM (j+Izh)
Oh, good Lord. Don't let them near the hogs . . .
Posted by: filbert at January 03, 2012 04:42 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 04:42 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:42 PM (i6RpT)
I'm on Time Warner too, they carried Current a few years ago, i guess they don't anymore i haven't bothered to check.
Posted by: booger at January 03, 2012 04:42 PM (EjNp5)
And based on Tebow's last 3 games . . . Perry might be right
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 04:42 PM (LnQhT)
There is an ace blocking the cornhole.
There is an ace blocking the cornhole.
Ace has a dirty bag.
Ace has a dirty bag.
Posted by: Radio Free Iowa at January 03, 2012 04:43 PM (DiqH3)
Posted by: Jimmah at January 03, 2012 04:43 PM (TMeYE)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 04:43 PM (7r17x)
Posted by: S Daniel at January 03, 2012 04:44 PM (F40+0)
There is an ace blocking the cornhole.
There is an ace blocking the cornhole.
Ace has a dirty bag.
Ace has a dirty bag.
Posted by: Radio Free Iowa at January 03, 2012 08:43 PM (DiqH3)
Yes. Tell us something we DON'T know . . .
Posted by: filbert at January 03, 2012 04:44 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: booger at January 03, 2012 04:44 PM (EjNp5)
This just in from Rumor Central.
Keith Olberrmann was seen outside his posh hotel holding hands with a lemur and Russell Brand...
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at January 03, 2012 04:44 PM (LWXG/)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 03, 2012 04:45 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 04:45 PM (TCgts)
Posted by: S Daniel at January 03, 2012 04:45 PM (F40+0)
*News you can use from Sept 26, 1981*
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 04:45 PM (Onw8c)
Posted by: Jose at January 03, 2012 08:43 PM (srIqv)
Can we buy a vowel?
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 03, 2012 04:45 PM (PAyD5)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 04:45 PM (niZvt)
Wow, they have Santorum doing pretty good so far.
Posted by: booger at January 03, 2012 04:45 PM (EjNp5)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 03, 2012 08:45 PM (Z71Vg)
Send 'em to Ace. He'll eat ANYTHING.
Posted by: filbert at January 03, 2012 04:46 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 08:42 PM (LnQhT)"
LOL.
Sad though. He really presented some great ideas and earned some respect with his record. Conservatives who wrote him off will probably look back just as many did when Mccain won, wondering why they didn't go with Rudy or whoever.
Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 04:46 PM (rQ/Ue)
Posted by: sifty at January 03, 2012 04:47 PM (WsOiK)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:47 PM (uwppY)
Paul 25
Romney 24
Santorum 15
Perry 11
newt 11
Bachmann 6
huntsman 4
spoiled ballot 5
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:47 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 04:47 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 04:47 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 04:48 PM (hC5jI)
@RonPaul Ron Paul @jonhuntsman we found your one Iowa voter, he's in Linn precinct 5 you might want to call him and say thanks.
Posted by: Jose at January 03, 2012 04:48 PM (srIqv)
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 04:48 PM (TCgts)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2012 04:49 PM (ffV1/)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 04:49 PM (7r17x)
I'd wait until we see the results, first.
LOL.. I wouldn't worry terribly much about tonight. Iowa's track record ain't anything to brag about. I learned not to pay much attention to them even though they are right above me.
Posted by: jewells45 at January 03, 2012 04:49 PM (Z71Vg)
I had a middle school teacher who thought Polk was a badass and one of our greatest presidents.
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 04:49 PM (LnQhT)
Posted by: Red Shirt at January 03, 2012 04:49 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2012 08:49 PM (ffV1/)"
Yep. U?
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 04:49 PM (7r17x)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:50 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Jose at January 03, 2012 08:48 PM (srIqv)
wait that's from his official twitter account?
as a Hunstman hater, I say sarcastically...classy
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:50 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: bergerbilder at January 03, 2012 04:50 PM (j+Izh)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 04:50 PM (7r17x)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 03, 2012 04:51 PM (NmeZ3)
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2012 04:51 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:51 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 08:50 PM (zLeKL)
that's why I said "at this rate"
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:51 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2012 04:51 PM (ffV1/)
RON PAUL won't win, because he's an AMERICA-HATING leftist.
I would say not only is he an America hating leftist, but that he and his supporters are outright traitors.
While our brave soldiers fight and die to protect Afghanistan from al-Qaeda's primary and historic ally, the Taliban, Ron Paul describes them as essentially freedom fighters like the American patriots.
Furthermore, Ron Paul believes that foreign terrorists should be able to tell us what we can and can't do in terms of foreign policy. Hence, his statements that 9/11 was an understandable act of retaliation for American actions taken against Saddam Hussein in the 1990s.
If treason floats your boat, then fine. But don't pretend that it doesn't exist.
Posted by: Chris at January 03, 2012 04:51 PM (XGZYX)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2012 04:51 PM (ceK0m)
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© sez F--- Nevada (and the silicone plague)! at January 03, 2012 04:51 PM (Fs7RJ)
Posted by: Michele Bachmann at January 03, 2012 08:51 PM (xZYZ
Tell me about it.
Posted by: Sarah Palin at January 03, 2012 04:52 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 04:52 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:52 PM (zLeKL)
I wonder if she will drop out. Politico says she has a few events scheduled in SC but I suppose those can always be cancelled.
Perry on the other hand looks to have a ton of stuff going on in SC over the next week so I am guessing he's going to stick it out for a little while longer.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 03, 2012 04:52 PM (diO4R)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 03, 2012 04:52 PM (Gc/Qi)
those suckers smelled horrific after baking. So glad I won't be puking my guts out tonight.
What was it? Spoiled meat?
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 03, 2012 04:52 PM (PddVe)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2012 08:51 PM (ffV1/)"
BC? Morningside?
I'm a BC aluminumist.
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 04:53 PM (7r17x)
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© sez F--- Nevada (and the silicone plague)! at January 03, 2012 08:51 PM (Fs7RJ)
It appears that the Retardisil has ravaged Minnesota too, run for your lives
Posted by: Red Shirt at January 03, 2012 04:53 PM (FIDMq)
Carl Rove says, Leonard can't keep this up.
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 04:53 PM (Onw8c)
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 08:52 PM (YiE0S)
as someone who has gotten heat for trying to tell folks it's over for Perry I say a good hearty fuck you Random, seriously
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 04:53 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: Greg at January 03, 2012 04:53 PM (pftd6)
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:54 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2012 04:54 PM (ffV1/)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 04:54 PM (7r17x)
Posted by: Old Coach at January 03, 2012 04:54 PM (qhDb6)
What was it? Spoiled meat?
Yep. I had mixed in some ground turkey with my hamburger and other seasonings. I think it was the ground turkey.
Posted by: jewells45 at January 03, 2012 04:55 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 03, 2012 04:55 PM (Te1S8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 04:55 PM (niZvt)
I'm all about the prick. Politics is just a hobby.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 04:55 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Radio Free Paul at January 03, 2012 04:55 PM (DiqH3)
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 08:52 PM (YiE0S)
I still plan on voting for him, even though MI will go retard Mittens.
Posted by: Red Shirt at January 03, 2012 04:55 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 04:56 PM (FKQng)
Fear me, all you clever asians and whites!
Posted by: The Singularity at January 03, 2012 04:56 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: wooga at January 03, 2012 04:56 PM (vjyZP)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 04:56 PM (niZvt)
HanCOCK county has Perry in 2nd at 29% so there.
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 04:56 PM (TCgts)
Posted by: Jimmah at January 03, 2012 04:56 PM (TMeYE)
Posted by: Every talking head for about a month now. at January 03, 2012 04:57 PM (zLeKL)
I predicted 2 months ago that a bunch of people would make a bunch of predictions based on the Iowa caucus, that is now an 3-man race or 2 man race, and they would mostly be wrong.
Guess I'll have to wait a while.
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 04:57 PM (fUGwd)
Well, running a campaign requires money and energy, and if you stumble to a 6th place finish right out of the gate it's kind of difficult to get more of both.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 03, 2012 04:57 PM (diO4R)
"I frew up a widdle in my mouf.
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 04:57 PM (7r17x)
4% reporting now
Santorum 24, Paul 24, Romney 22, Gingrich 14, Perry 9, Bachmann 6, Huntsman 1
Who's closest in the prediction pool?
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 04:57 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Phist Of Ron at January 03, 2012 04:58 PM (xx2Hb)
Better Santorum than that evil garden gnome.
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 04:58 PM (MMC8r)
I still have better hair.
Posted by: Mittens at January 03, 2012 04:58 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2012 04:58 PM (ffV1/)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 04:58 PM (FKQng)
I'm all about the prick.
Yeah, no kidding. You talk about your conquests of women like you're a fucking alien whose only knowledge of them comes from Mary Tyler Moore broadcasts that have just reached your planet.
We already knew, dude.
Posted by: Radio Free Paul at January 03, 2012 04:58 PM (DiqH3)
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 04:58 PM (TCgts)
Posted by: wooga at January 03, 2012 08:56 PM (vjyZP)
The Philippines is far better and cheaper.
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 03, 2012 04:58 PM (PAyD5)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:58 PM (zLeKL)
Did anyone see Paul's son, Rand on Fand F this morning? Man, I lost all respect for that guy. He should have been the one to take the old man aside and tell him to knock it the fuck off.
Posted by: jewells45 at January 03, 2012 04:58 PM (Z71Vg)
Ha. Like it.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 04:58 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2012 04:58 PM (ceK0m)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 03, 2012 04:59 PM (npr0X)
To paraphrase Voltaire, if Huckabee did not exist, Iowa would have created him.
Santorum is the proof of that.
I predict floating crosses are in Santorum's future.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 03, 2012 04:59 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 04:59 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Doc at January 03, 2012 04:59 PM (/h3en)
Fuck Iowa. No, seriously, fuck them. I'm glad they aren't picking Perry. The last few winners of that state haven gone on to lose. I mean... they haven't even picked a winner in forever. Again, fuck them.
Was that too much?
Posted by: BugPowderJunkie at January 03, 2012 04:59 PM (PlSKr)
Mr. Perry isn't going to simply throw in the towel.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 04:59 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Bob Undead Saget at January 03, 2012 05:00 PM (dBvlk)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 05:00 PM (hC5jI)
I predicted 2 months ago that a bunch of people would make a bunch of predictions based on the Iowa caucus, that is now an 3-man race or 2 man race, and they would mostly be wrong.
Guess I'll have to wait a while.
---
One night a month ago (while half drunk), I made a post here on how Santorum would be sitting pretty taking in the lions share of Newts refugees when they fled. And now I'll predict he starts stealing from Romney.
Posted by: Jimmah at January 03, 2012 05:00 PM (TMeYE)
Posted by: Every talking head for about a month now. at January 03, 2012 08:57 PM (zLeKL)"
Really? Everyone I know thinks it's a ridiculous joke and can't wait for it to be over ..... well, everyone but the hotel folks, the bar owners, the restaurants, the newspaper and tv ad sales guys, the car rental places, the lawyers, taxi drivers, security companies, the banks, and....ok, nevermiand.
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 05:00 PM (7r17x)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 08:58 PM (zLeKL)
One word. Romneycare.
If for no other reason, and there are many, for that alone Romney can't be our nominee.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2012 05:00 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 03, 2012 05:01 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2012 05:01 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 05:01 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 05:01 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: USA at January 03, 2012 05:01 PM (6Cjut)
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 05:01 PM (TCgts)
Posted by: Greg at January 03, 2012 05:02 PM (pftd6)
1. Santorum hasn't kicked anyones ass. He's merely the last vestige of the migration of you ridiculous "super-uber-hard-core-chuck-norris-conservatives" whose ideology really collapses into "anybody but Romney, who I was OK with in 2008."
2. Ron Paul is a fucking douche.
3. Romney hasn't spent anywhere near that amount. Nor has he toured all the counties or even competed for Iowa, like Santorum. Iowa was Santorum's gambit, and he won not because he was correct in a justified-true-belief style, but because of a Gettier-eque, right man in the right place at the right time.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 03, 2012 05:02 PM (447Af)
Posted by: Ana at January 03, 2012 05:02 PM (WamA+)
One night a month ago (while half drunk), I made a post here on how Santorum would be sitting pretty taking in the lions share of Newts refugees when they fled. And now I'll predict he starts stealing from Romney.
Romney's primary argument is that he is inevitable...and the other choice is Ron Paul. If you give the primary voters a specific third option and not half a dozen people splitting the not Romney/Paul vote that potentially changes quickly.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2012 05:02 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 05:02 PM (Onw8c)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 05:02 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2012 05:03 PM (ffV1/)
Posted by: John McHeydrich at January 03, 2012 05:03 PM (PddVe)
The SuperPAC aligned with Romney has spent millions this past month.
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 05:03 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Ana at January 03, 2012 05:03 PM (WamA+)
It does come across as almost magic and hard to follow when you hit the groove (no pun intended), but it's beautiful to see it work.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 05:03 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 05:03 PM (niZvt)
I guarantee it!
Posted by: Nick Folks at January 03, 2012 08:52 PM (sOXQX)
Who the fuck are you?
Posted by: Will Folks at January 03, 2012 05:04 PM (jucos)
Momentum surge in SC? He doesn't have to win, just place.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 05:04 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2012 09:00 PM (3aXbg)"
Amen. The "conservative" socialism, Romneycare, and Strong Gun Control are ideological non starters.
But the abortion flip flop is so ridiculous it amounts to a character non starter. The man has no personal character and plays politics with human life. Watching him pander to the left on abortion in the early 2000s, say he's been pro-abortion rights for 37 years and outlawing it = back alley deaths, how in his legal opinion Roe v Wade is "good law" and how he will "never waver" in supporting abortion rights... all that isn't just wrong ideologically, it's a passionate fully fleshed out pander, and when Romney flipped on this, he didn't do so a little bit. He pandered 100% the other way. At 57 years old? I can't trust even the few things he says that I agree with, and Obama would crush his flip flopping ass like a bug. The Romney debates Romney ad was awesome, and they barely put any effort into it. It pisses both sides off and leaves us realizing the man is dishonest.
Mitt Romney doesn't deserve it.
Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 05:04 PM (rQ/Ue)
I thought we agreed that Greg's dick is going into Maet's paper shredder bomb thing?
lmao.. I almost spit wine out of my mouth. Hmm, that reminds me...
Posted by: jewells45 at January 03, 2012 05:04 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 09:01 PM (TCgts)
Aren't you making a big assumption there?
Posted by: Its like a Ken Doll down here at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 09:01 PM (piMMO)
Really. That would help immensely. Unless she just wants romney to slowly get the nomination.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 09:03 PM (niZvt)
Yeah but this is it for him. Trust me.
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (TCgts)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2012 08:58 PM (ffV1/)
HAH....point taken.
Santorum spent a lot of time here. He comes across as a much nicer guy in person than he did in the debates. Gray-haired Iowegians loves them some "nice guy".
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (7r17x)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (zLeKL)
Has anyone mentioned the bond wraiths yet?
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (V6fqC)
Cheers.
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 09:02 PM (zLeKL)
im not a Mitt guy, actually I may vote for Perry knowing he'd still lose when I vote come FL, though I am very comfortable w/ Mitt compared to most folks here
I am really annoyed though w/ the dickish behavior by the Romneybots
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 05:06 PM (uwppY)
The field's needed to be trimmed for a while, now. She should drop out and let her voters go to their next choice, and we'll start to see where the field goes when it's not so fragmented.
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 05:06 PM (MMC8r)
Well, they do take a lot of pot, and read a lot of Murray Rothbard. That combo will do it.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 05:06 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 05:06 PM (d6QMz)
They aren't.
The Romney camp owns that, CoolCzech. They're the ones who have made it clear they do not need conservatives to win. If they would make some fucking effort, they'd pull in many not-Romney voters which would make Paul irrelevant (as always). But they won't and their candidate won't.
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 05:06 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 03, 2012 05:06 PM (sEvRn)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 05:07 PM (niZvt)
No offense to those who do take it seriously and who drag their rears out in the cold and snow to cast their votes....but damnit....that kind of a turnout simply does not justify the impact it has upon the rest of the nation. Just as the electoral vote system keeps cities like NY and LA from choosing the president for the rest of the nation, so too should there be limits on the power of the small towns in a single state.
Something has to change. I no longer give a rat's ass about "tradition".
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 05:07 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 03, 2012 05:07 PM (Aju6j)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 05:07 PM (zLeKL)
Santorum surging, Perry not surging. Maybe she's waiting to carefully place her shot.
Maybe Sarah Palin doesn't give a crap how much you like Rick Perry?
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 05:08 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 05:08 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Dick_Nixon at January 03, 2012 05:08 PM (1PmUD)
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 05:08 PM (Onw8c)
Posted by: Defeat Paul, What a Loon at January 03, 2012 05:08 PM (gj4aA)
No, a lot of them are Dems trying to do exactly that.
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 05:08 PM (MMC8r)
What does that even mean? Now Paul placing in Iowa is Romney's fault?
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2012 05:08 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 05:09 PM (Qjh0I)
I guarantee it!
Posted by: Nick Folks at January 03, 2012 08:52 PM (sOXQX)
Who the fuck are you?
Posted by: Will Folks at January 03, 2012 09:04 PM (jucos)
Kicker for the cowboys.
(sockpuppet misfire)
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 05:09 PM (sOXQX)
I've been telling you ninnies who think 'it's too late' before it has even begun, but you're too busy screaming about Ron Paul's past associations with racism. So Iowa goes Santorum/Paul, Paul/Santorum, Romney.
In 2008 Iowa went Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, and Fred Thompson, and they all made fine presidents.
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 05:09 PM (fUGwd)
Posted by: Spike at January 03, 2012 05:09 PM (g/arr)
Well, they don't, do they? It should, but I'm afraid there are enough democrats and indies with buyers remorse that would vote Romney over Obama.....
or am I wrong? which I usually am, so be kind.
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 05:09 PM (7r17x)
Posted by: USA at January 03, 2012 05:09 PM (6Cjut)
Doubt it. The RCP average has Romney crushing the field with 41% with Paul in 2nd at 18.8% and Gingrich in 3rd at 12.5%. Santorum is in 6th with 4%. He would have to make a pretty big leap to get from 6th into 2nd or 3rd and would need to take votes away from Gingrich, Huntsman, and Bachmann (if she were to drop out).
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 03, 2012 05:09 PM (diO4R)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2012 05:09 PM (ffV1/)
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 05:10 PM (LnQhT)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 05:10 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 05:10 PM (fUGwd)
24/24/23%
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 05:10 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 05:10 PM (Onw8c)
Not $40 Million or any such amount as claimed.
Speaking of money, this is really the metric by which we can see the formal downfall of Rick Perry.
Informally, that debate stumble was an amalgamation of much of the general frustration with his performance and lack of formal fluence on the issues. Mind you,this wasn't a fault of Mr. Perry per say, rather what happens when you take any governor and expect them to transition from the state-level to the national stage in 3 weeks after throwing a debate prep binder at them.
After being the conservative option, spending the most in Iowa (http://tinyurl.com/7v77t34) and then coming in 5th place and being lucky to break 10% of the vote -- this is a death knell IMHO.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 03, 2012 05:10 PM (447Af)
Posted by: Ana at January 03, 2012 09:03 PM (WamA+)
When you look at the candidates running, Santorum hits all the conservative check boxes better then the other candidates*.
It is easy to overestimate how much one state will decide, but if we are going to get serious about a not-Romney he's arguably the man in the position to be that guy right now.
*Perry it could have been you, if only you had a "heart".
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2012 05:10 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: chicagorefugee at January 03, 2012 05:10 PM (Cvvzd)
When you made your campaign contribution to Father Paul, did you stop to realize it was odd he wanted that that worthless paper money as opposed to the precious metals he says have real value?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 03, 2012 05:11 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2012 05:11 PM (ceK0m)
Posted by: Red Shirt at January 03, 2012 05:11 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 05:11 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: filbert at January 03, 2012 05:11 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 05:11 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2012 09:08 PM (GZitp)
----
Read CoolCzech's post.
He was talking about Paul giving us four more years of Obama. That's foolish in any other year. There is no reason to believe Paul's candidacy goes anywhere aside from a few states that have these sorts of weird caucuses and the weirdos around to capitalize on it.
The only way Paul is relevant is if Romney can't seal the deal and break 25% and the vote keeps getting split three ways.
If Romney can't convince conservatives to vote for him, then Paul becomes relevant.
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 05:12 PM (5H6zj)
I need for the FNC makeup crew to give her the Fox Girl look: extra short skirt, boob job, and lots of lip collagen!
Don't forget the bridesmaid's dress!
Posted by: Wodeshed, now with Sex Panther! at January 03, 2012 05:12 PM (SgLsM)
Are certain words creeping into his conversations?
Words like, "chemtrails!?"
And, "Silver dimes!?" and "da jooooos!?"
Well, if so my friends,
Right here in River City,
With a capial "T"
And that rhymes with "P"
And that stands for "Paul."
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 03, 2012 05:12 PM (4q5tP)
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 05:12 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 05:13 PM (fUGwd)
The man just looks whimpy and creepy, like a crybaby.
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 09:11 PM (niZvt)
he lost by almost 20 in 06
McCain lost by 10 in 08
I think Obama would LOVE to face Santorum
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 05:13 PM (uwppY)
You know what Im talking about..... ;-)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2012 09:09 PM (ffV1/)"
Remember Miles Inn?
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 05:13 PM (7r17x)
After his comment targeting blacks?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 09:12 PM (piMMO)
Not to be pedantic or anything, but that quote was completely made-up bullshit.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 03, 2012 05:14 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 05:14 PM (Onw8c)
Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 03, 2012 05:14 PM (Aju6j)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2012 05:14 PM (ffV1/)
Well, I was commenting at HA about that, taking the position that he probably said black and, if he didn't, Ed Morrissey was wrong to flat-out say he didn't ... especially after Santorum both didn't deny it and explained why he might have said it.
So, yeah, good point. I have no idea, but I do know he has a better chance in SC than NH.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 05:14 PM (YiE0S)
Politics is like a sport with some people. They support Obama even though he sucks, but it means as much to them as their support of, say, the Cleveland Browns. Unless he does something that affects them directly, they ride that pony all the way to the bottom.
And it ain't just the 47% non taxpayers.
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 03, 2012 05:15 PM (PddVe)
What was the benchmark (for those of us who don't remember)?
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 05:15 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Ana at January 03, 2012 05:15 PM (WamA+)
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 05:15 PM (Onw8c)
Posted by: Dick_Nixon at January 03, 2012 05:16 PM (1PmUD)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 05:16 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 05:16 PM (Onw8c)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 09:01 PM (piMMO)
I would guess she's waiting until it is a clear Romney/Paul/A Conservative race where her nod could do the most good.
So I doubt she will shown her hand until after SC at the earliest.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2012 05:16 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 05:16 PM (fUGwd)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at January 03, 2012 09:15 PM (qjUnn)
Get your furnace lit, Shrimp?
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 03, 2012 05:16 PM (PAyD5)
Posted by: Defeat Paul, What a Loon at January 03, 2012 05:17 PM (gj4aA)
What part of the words coming from his mouth were made up?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 05:17 PM (piMMO)
spits
Posted by: Peaches at January 03, 2012 05:17 PM (UARKz)
Who the hell is going to vote for Obama this time around? Suckers excluded.
Posted by: S Daniel at January 03, 2012 05:17 PM (F40+0)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 05:17 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 03, 2012 05:17 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 05:17 PM (7r17x)
Only reason Paul would be relevant is the retards that support him. It's not Romney's fault that 25% of Iowa's GOP went for Paul over Perry, Gingrich and Bachmann. It's stupidity.
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2012 05:17 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 05:18 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 05:18 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: SoCalMe at January 03, 2012 05:18 PM (s72/N)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 05:18 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 05:18 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 05:19 PM (Onw8c)
Yep.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 05:19 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 05:19 PM (7r17x)
Posted by: S Daniel at January 03, 2012 09:17 PM (F40+0)
Don't underestimate the Chicago Machine.
Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 03, 2012 05:19 PM (Aju6j)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 09:17 PM (piMMO)
Doesn't at all seem clear to me. I'm not one to give the MFM the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 03, 2012 05:19 PM (uhAkr)
If Grandpa hadn't hit Rick with the car, then none of you would have been born.
Posted by: Lorraine Baines Santorum at January 03, 2012 05:19 PM (yBtkG)
Posted by: Doc at January 03, 2012 05:19 PM (/h3en)
Holy crap. If that holds up, it's a great night for Romney and death bells for everyone -- and I do mean everyone, including Santorum & Paul -- else.
That's insanely close.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 05:19 PM (hIWe1)
I voted twice just to test the system. I didn't even have to clear my cache. Hell, he still has Cain in there.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 05:20 PM (piMMO)
Romney skipped a couple (at least) faith forums in Iowa, his campaign has been pandering to the left-leaning media, and he has done nothing to convince conservatives he wants there votes.
Are you saying Romney has not been running to the left of most of the field?
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 05:20 PM (5H6zj)
How about we don't do it at all. Period. Full stop.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 05:20 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 05:21 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 05:21 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Dick_Nixon at January 03, 2012 05:22 PM (1PmUD)
I'm not so sure. This primary has all been about rallying around the next "not Romney", so why not Santorum's turn?
If you get some drop-outs, are those votes going more for the not-Romney or Romney?
Romney has his constituency. Paul has his. It seems to me that the rest of the vote is divided, but not naturally for either of the aforementioned men.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 05:22 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 05:22 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Heartless Nora at January 03, 2012 05:22 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: ParanoidStillAGirlInSeattle at January 03, 2012 05:22 PM (RZ8pf)
Considering how many are actually Democrats trying to pick the worst GOP candidate in the lunacy of an open process like this, and Der Paulenfuhrer should have a fat lead.
And the fact that Santorum suddenly has a surge that puts him even with the Paulian Scum and Mitt's Money indicates that there's plenty of support for an alternative to both MassCare Mitt and Alex Jones' bestest pal.
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 05:22 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 09:20 PM (sOXQX)
Ding Ding Ding we have a winner.
When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging, not negotiate with the leftist next to you about what toll you'll use to dig with.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2012 05:22 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 05:23 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 05:23 PM (TCgts)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 09:21 PM (niZvt)
Urinals have flushes?
Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 03, 2012 05:23 PM (jucos)
Why are you always right Jeff B? I want to have perfectly correct opinions like you always do.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 05:23 PM (FKQng)
You keep talking about conservatives. Conservatives had the choice between Santorum, Perry, Gingrich and Bachmann. Instead 25% went for Paul, that ain't Romney's fault.
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2012 05:23 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 09:21 PM (niZvt)"
Now, now, now, don't be starting a river war.
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 05:23 PM (7r17x)
BREAKING NEWS:
CNN projects that Obama won the Democratic Iowa caucus.
Posted by: Chris at January 03, 2012 09:18 PM (XGZYX)
Obviously a conspiracy by the Democrat establishment
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 05:24 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 05:24 PM (d6QMz)
Suckers.
But don't you dare fuck with our first-in-the-nation entitlement.
Posted by: Iowa at January 03, 2012 05:24 PM (yBtkG)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 03, 2012 05:24 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 09:23 PM (TCgts)"
Absolutely. No doubt in my mind.
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 05:24 PM (7r17x)
CNN projects that Obama won the Democratic Iowa caucus.
Posted by: Chris at January 03, 2012 09:18 PM (XGZYX)
And I bet this time he didn't even cheat.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2012 05:24 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 03, 2012 05:25 PM (Aju6j)
Yes, I'm still seeing Paul ahead, as I predicted.
My prediction earlier today:
1. Paul
2. Mitt
3. Santorum
I'm a Perry guy.
Posted by: Truman North at January 03, 2012 05:25 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 05:25 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 09:24 PM (d6QMz)
So...why do we allow open primaries again?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2012 05:25 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2012 09:23 PM (GZitp)
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Why doesn't Romney want conservatives to vote for him?
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 05:25 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Defeat Paul, What a Loon at January 03, 2012 05:26 PM (gj4aA)
Posted by: brando at January 03, 2012 05:26 PM (D/+0G)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 05:26 PM (zLeKL)
That is predicated on the belief that only truly schizoid assholes could really vote for douchenozzle Ron Paul.
At some point, Iowans have to get serious about defeating the SCOAMF. If not, they are dead to me.. although I might still but their corn.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 03, 2012 05:26 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 05:26 PM (7r17x)
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 09:23 PM (TCgts)
This could be the end of the "first in the nation" for Iowa. It's not written in stone, you know.
Posted by: S Daniel at January 03, 2012 05:27 PM (F40+0)
Posted by: ParanoidStillAGirlInSeattle at January 03, 2012 05:27 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 03, 2012 05:27 PM (Aju6j)
Posted by: Doc at January 03, 2012 05:27 PM (/h3en)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2012 05:27 PM (ffV1/)
AllahP says this will help Romney. Rove says, "See I told you so."
That's it from *News you can use from Sept 16, 1981*."
Thanks for watching. Tune to this station for fight night when we report from New Hampshire.
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 05:27 PM (Onw8c)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 03, 2012 05:27 PM (/7hoP)
He is. It looks like only Romney, Paul, Huntsman, and Gingrich are taking the time to go to NH. I can't find Santorum's schedule; I'm guessing he probably doesn't plan more than one primary in advance.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 03, 2012 05:29 PM (diO4R)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 05:29 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 05:29 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Peaches at January 03, 2012 05:29 PM (UARKz)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 03, 2012 05:29 PM (Gc/Qi)
This could be the end of the "first in the nation" for Iowa. It's not written in stone, you know.
Posted by: S Daniel at January 03, 2012 09:27 PM (F40+0)
Amen to that, off to Super Tuesday with you and take your irrelevancy with you.
Posted by: Red Shirt at January 03, 2012 05:30 PM (FIDMq)
I know she isn't the favorite here because she isn't "the hot one" but she is my fave. Smart and tough and does it without seeming like a bitch.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 05:30 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at January 03, 2012 05:30 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 05:30 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: ParanoidStillAGirlInSeattle at January 03, 2012 09:27 PM (RZ8pf)
If Ron wins Iowa it means nothing. All Iowa is is free publicity for an underdog candidate with little name recognition. Paul has nationwide recognition already.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 03, 2012 05:30 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: Ron Paul at January 03, 2012 05:31 PM (F40+0)
Posted by: SoCalMe at January 03, 2012 05:31 PM (s72/N)
488 The true tragedy in all this is if Rick Perry had treated the debates as serious and actually prepped for them, we would be discussing who his VP would be.
You could be right, but then again, maybe folks just don't think that another Texan governor/pilot is electable after the debacle of W (and yes, SCOAMF is a much bigger debacle, but W was a debacle of the keep-boiling-the frog, turning-the-ratchet, and spending-like-a-moonbat variety, nonetheless).
Posted by: Arms Merchant at January 03, 2012 05:31 PM (vA8Rg)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 05:31 PM (piMMO)
Is he less Christy than Santorum?
This 3-way tie is perfect. A Romney, a non-Romney, and a crazy Fed conspiracist.
Posted by: Clarence at January 03, 2012 05:31 PM (z0HdK)
Because we have actual expectations, and cooties, but mainly the cooties.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 05:31 PM (sOXQX)
I still think this thing could turn in Perry's favor. The more I see of this idiot-circus, the more convinced I become that he is the ONLY one I want to see as our nom, or our prez.
Posted by: Peaches at January 03, 2012 09:29 PM
LMAO.
No: ROFLMMFAO!
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 05:31 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Doc at January 03, 2012 05:31 PM (/h3en)
Posted by: Ron Paul at January 03, 2012 09:31 PM (F40+0)
Dude, that shit will mess you (deep sniff) up. You need something to (deep sniff) keep you in the game man.
Hey, who's up for a trip to White Castle?
Posted by: Barack Obama at January 03, 2012 05:32 PM (3aXbg)
Uh, yeah. My two cents on that up-thread.
My answer would be "No".
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 05:32 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Rick Santorum at January 03, 2012 05:32 PM (vjyZP)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 05:32 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 05:32 PM (zLeKL)
The turdballs on Fox are spinning this as a Romney victory!
Sheesh!
The guy who has been running for eight years, has tons of money, the best organization, tha backing of the GOP and it's "his turn" -- can't kick Santorum's ass?
I don't care how long and hard the pundits suck Romney's cock (Kraut is next to don the knee pads), he's still no hit with the voters.
But Perry might as well pack it up. Reality bites on both ends.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 03, 2012 05:32 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 05:32 PM (niZvt)
The energy of the Tea Party in 2010: GOP gains in the House that hasn't been seen in decades.
The energy of the Tea Party just two years later: Mitt Romney as our nominee.
2010 All Star Tea Party Budget Cuts: $200B to start with! $100B! $50B fuck it $30B. $30B.....
*.1= $3B.
Posted by: Kick girlscouts asses at January 03, 2012 05:33 PM (fUGwd)
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 05:33 PM (fUGwd)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 05:33 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 05:33 PM (LnQhT)
Posted by: Heartless Nora at January 03, 2012 05:33 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: R.D. Walker at January 03, 2012 05:33 PM (YNGrw)
Posted by: Truman North at January 03, 2012 05:33 PM (I2LwF)
Oh bullshit, I've got the total goods on Will Folks. I know exactly who put him up to it, when, where, and for how much. Just keep watching this space and make RedState your homepage and I'll break the whole sordid story any day now.
Posted by: Erick Erick$on at January 03, 2012 05:34 PM (yBtkG)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2012 05:35 PM (sb3kT)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 05:35 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 05:35 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2012 05:35 PM (ceK0m)
So, I've been following conservative blogs/forums/etc as long as they've been around. Where the hell did Erickson come from, and why they hell do people pay attention to him?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2012 05:35 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 05:36 PM (zLeKL)
Which moron truly cares whether MK is a "journalist"?
Who else will celebrate not hearing "Iowa" in their sleep?
This deal doesn't even really begin til S.C.
Posted by: csm at January 03, 2012 05:37 PM (P8mj5)
I'm not jumping ship until he calls it quits.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 05:37 PM (piMMO)
The energy of the Tea Party just two years later: Mitt Romney as our nominee.
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 09:26 PM (zLeKL)
To be fair, the GOP has done everything in their power to kill whatever enthusiasm and momentum we had after 2010. The future of this country isn't looking too bright.
Posted by: BugPowderJunkie at January 03, 2012 05:37 PM (PlSKr)
Posted by: Defeat Paul, What a Loon at January 03, 2012 05:37 PM (gj4aA)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2012 05:37 PM (sb3kT)
Says the guy typing a little message out on an internet forum to one of the conservative movements most articulate and intellectually astute sages.
Well done sir, you have smited him so valiantly. I'm sure the inter-galactic interstate will be rerouted now as to preserve your home planet!
Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 03, 2012 05:38 PM (447Af)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 05:38 PM (niZvt)
They must love dominatrixes in the bedroom.
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 09:37 PM (LnQhT)
Wait, can I change my vote?
Posted by: Some Moron at January 03, 2012 05:38 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 09:33 PM (LnQhT)
fify
Posted by: Peaches at January 03, 2012 05:39 PM (UARKz)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 03, 2012 05:39 PM (V6fqC)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 03, 2012 05:39 PM (NmeZ3)
Posted by: SoCalMe at January 03, 2012 05:40 PM (s72/N)
Huge droopy foreskin.
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 05:40 PM (TCgts)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 05:40 PM (FKQng)
Why doesn't Romney want
conservatives to vote for him?
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 09:25 PM (5H6zj)
Again, what are you talking about? Romney would love the conservative vote. Hell that's all you people complain about is how he panders and flip flops for the conservative vote. Now because your man Perry get's blown out of the water it's Romney's fault. Maybe you should be pissed Paul did as well as he did on Perry and Bachmann.
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2012 05:40 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 03, 2012 05:40 PM (3fcX2)
It's not like he's culturally relevant.
Posted by: Some fat chick at January 03, 2012 05:41 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Defeat Paul, What a Loon at January 03, 2012 05:41 PM (gj4aA)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 05:41 PM (niZvt)
Well, I just caucused my ass off. Neither Bachmann nor Huntsman had representatives there.
The results in my precinct in my little town with a whopping 275 votes cast:
1 - Luap Nor! (Fuck. Really?)
2 - Mittens
3 - Santorum (huh?)
4 - Gingrich
5 - Perry
6 - Bachmann
7 - Huntsman (0 votes)
I should have taken video because I don't remember the actual vote counts except that Paul was in the 90s, Romney in the 70s, Santorum in the 40s, Gingrich in the 30s, Perry in the 20s, Bachmann at 4, and Huntsman 0. As close as I remember.
I tell ya, if Luap Nor wins Iowa, someone needs to sit Iowa in the corner with our dunce hats on and take away our caucus privileges for a while. Best I could gather in talking with some Paulbots is that they think they're voting on principle. It's not like Paul has actually done anything other than talk. Idiots.
Posted by: Marmo at January 03, 2012 05:41 PM (pcgW1)
Goddamnit, I bought that for my wife, she played it for like four hours, and returned it. Meanwhile I was dying to try it myself.
Posted by: Truman North at January 03, 2012 05:41 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: S Daniel at January 03, 2012 05:42 PM (F40+0)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2012 05:42 PM (sb3kT)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 03, 2012 05:42 PM (CLtPi)
Delegates to county conventions of political parties and party committee members shall be elected at precinct caucuses held not later than the fourth Monday in February of each even-numbered year. The date shall be at least eight days earlier than the scheduled date for any meeting, caucus or primary which constitutes the first determining stage of the presidential nominating process in any other state, territory or any other group which has the authority to select delegates in the presidential nomination. (Iowa Code 43.4, 2007)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 05:42 PM (d6QMz)
You're taking what was said too literally.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 05:42 PM (YiE0S)
Yeah, Leon and I call him that sometimes to suck up when we want him to institute a new round of bannings.
It's bullshit, though. They should be putting us on CNN.
Posted by: Moe Lane at January 03, 2012 05:42 PM (yBtkG)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 05:42 PM (Qjh0I)
All that matters to me is the removal of Obama and Paul Krugman from and their band of bullshit economic advisors and the freak Holder OUT OF THERE.
Posted by: whatever at January 03, 2012 05:42 PM (O7ksG)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 05:43 PM (niZvt)
Man, I just restarted as a thief, because in planning my paladin I thought the level cap would be 100 rather than 81 and misallocated my perks.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 05:43 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Rosa E. at January 03, 2012 05:43 PM (48d69)
Posted by: sifty at January 03, 2012 05:43 PM (WsOiK)
Goddamnit, I bought that for my wife, she played it for like four hours, and returned it. Meanwhile I was dying to try it myself.
Posted by: Truman North at January 03, 2012 09:41 PM (I2LwF)
[whistles]
Posted by: your favorite torrent site at January 03, 2012 05:43 PM (FIDMq)
However, if LuapNor were here in this room with me, I'd drag his decrepit old ass out on the patio, rip off his head, and shit down his neck.
Yeah, I went back to work today, lol!
Posted by: Peaches at January 03, 2012 05:44 PM (UARKz)
Posted by: whatever at January 03, 2012 05:44 PM (O7ksG)
Posted by: dagny at January 03, 2012 05:44 PM (TCgts)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 03, 2012 05:44 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2012 09:42 PM (sb3kT)
I do!
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 05:44 PM (FKQng)
fix:
All that matters to me is the removal of Obama and Paul Krugman from office. I want their band of bullshit economic advisors, and the freak Holder- OUT OF THERE.
Posted by: whatever at January 03, 2012 05:45 PM (O7ksG)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2012 05:45 PM (sb3kT)
Posted by: Kirk Cameron's Banana Grip at January 03, 2012 05:46 PM (FabC8)
Posted by: Doc at January 03, 2012 05:46 PM (/h3en)
Posted by: jimmuy at January 03, 2012 05:46 PM (SyGxX)
30% turnout
Ron Paul 33%
Mitt Romney 23%
Rick Perry 20%
Rick Santorum 10%
No other candidate received votes.
RP support actually down a little from four years ago. (Precinct's main "town" has a number of business that accept silver coins, so this was not a surprise result here.)
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 05:46 PM (gT3jF)
Posted by: Wink Martindale at January 03, 2012 05:47 PM (mM45n)
Posted by: blaster at January 03, 2012 05:47 PM (Fw2Gg)
That's right, fuckers. We get to be first because we say so. Your state can't frog-jump its way ahead of us because that would be illegal, according to representatives of the same bunch of people who brought you Pat Robertson, Mike Huckabee, and maybe even Ron Paul.
We'll hold the next one of these things in 2014 if you force us to.
Posted by: Idiots Out Caucusing Around at January 03, 2012 05:47 PM (yBtkG)
[whistles]
Posted by: your favorite torrent site at January 03, 2012 09:43 PM (FIDMq)
Bah. I might steal from Ubisoft, since they hate America and Americans. But Bethesda seems OK for now.
Posted by: Truman North at January 03, 2012 05:47 PM (I2LwF)
Rumor:
Busloads of Chicago democrats returning east-bound
on I-80, after totally screwing Iowa Republican
caucus results. Described as a convoy !
Posted by: seamrog at January 03, 2012 05:48 PM (XOQah)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2012 05:48 PM (sb3kT)
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 05:49 PM (YiE0S)
Just got back from my precint (in Iowa). I live in Johnston, in central Ia.
Results were: Romney 1st, Newt/Paul 2nd, Perry 3rd.
Posted by: Liberty's Leviathan at January 03, 2012 05:49 PM (dtiGp)
Good luck with that if that odious little weasel makes it to the general. You'll have the MSM doing wall-to-wall racist newsletters and non-stop conspiracy theories all day and night to ruin your little Hitler. You'll go absolutely apeshitter than you already are trying to shout them down and the hundred million voters who roll out to vote your little nut's ass back to Galveston.
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 05:49 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 05:49 PM (niZvt)
Romney- 72
Gingrich and Paul tied at 43
Santorum 35
Perry 25
Bachman 6
Huntsman 5
Voted for Gingrich personally. Wanted to speak for him, but they only allowed one speaker per candidate, and most campaigns had appointed speakers there, so no dice.
Posted by: Grimaldi at January 03, 2012 05:49 PM (7JrOh)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 05:49 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at January 03, 2012 05:50 PM (uwppY)
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 05:50 PM (LnQhT)
Perry's going all in with SC. Newt has a commanding lead right now with Romney in 2nd at his typical ~20%. The interesting thing is that the last poll is two weeks old so we don't know if Gingrich's collapse in Iowa is confined to Iowa or if it's playing out in SC as well.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 03, 2012 05:50 PM (diO4R)
Delegates to county conventions of political parties and party committee members shall be elected at precinct caucuses held not later than the fourth Monday in February of each even-numbered year. The date shall be at least eight days earlier than the scheduled date for any meeting, caucus or primary which constitutes the first determining stage of the presidential nominating process in any other state, territory or any other group which has the authority to select delegates in the presidential nomination. (Iowa Code 43.4, 2007)
Iowa must pay us $11,000,000 a year (Illinois Code 83.29.4b, 2012)
Whatcha gonna do? Law's the law.... Iowa state law... Illinois state law... these things are federally binding you know.
Next year Alabama is gonna pass a law saying they must be allowed to vote 2 weeks before Iowa, but will call the primary a 'Civil Plebicite' so as not to trigger Iowa's law, as a Civil Plebicite is not neither a meeting, a caucus or a primary.
And I hear Vancouver is passing a law saying they get to vote too.
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 05:50 PM (fUGwd)
And how would this be new?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 05:50 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 05:51 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 05:52 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 05:52 PM (fUGwd)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2012 05:52 PM (sb3kT)
Posted by: Florida at January 03, 2012 05:52 PM (NmeZ3)
Just got back from my precint (in Iowa). I live in Johnston, in central Ia.
Results were: Romney 1st, Newt/Paul 2nd, Perry 3rd.
Posted by: Liberty's Leviathan at January 03, 2012 09:49 PM (dtiGp)
That gives me a little hope for our state. Luap Nor won in my precinct in Johnson County. Of course, with the University of Iowa here, we have some pretty unconventional conservatives.
Posted by: Marmo at January 03, 2012 05:53 PM (pcgW1)
And how would this be new?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 09:50 PM (piMMO)
This time it's actually true?
Posted by: mugiwara at January 03, 2012 05:53 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: Defeat Paul, What a Loon at January 03, 2012 05:53 PM (gj4aA)
Busloads of Chicago democrats returning east-bound
on I-80, after totally screwing Iowa Republican
caucus results. Described as a convoy !
Tasking Predator D strike. Hellfire launch approved.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 03, 2012 05:54 PM (447Af)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 09:52 PM (piMMO)
Donald Trump?
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 03, 2012 05:54 PM (PAyD5)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 05:54 PM (niZvt)
I know about the bow sniping (part of the reason my perks wound up all over the place). I had this one fight in the bowels of a fort I just couldn't do, so I tried sneaking. One hit sniped both the archer and the mage, retreating for a bit while the tank came looking for me and failing. The best part about that was after the third time I sniped the tank, he gave the usual "I thought I heard something" but then followed it with a glance over his shoulder at his dead buddies and said "I'm gonna kill whoever did this."
Also you pick every lock without sitting there for an hour, finish the thieves quest series, and then just never return the key, you can unlock every lock without a lockpick.
That'll save me a couple perks in the lockpicking series, then. I was having trouble finding a few extra to get my stack on the base pickpocketing perk.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 05:54 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 03, 2012 05:54 PM (NmeZ3)
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at January 03, 2012 05:54 PM (GTbGH)
You really think that turdball Paul has a fucking chance in the general? You're a bigger nut then he is.
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 05:55 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2012 05:55 PM (ceK0m)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 05:55 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Former Miss America Nicole Johnson at January 03, 2012 05:55 PM (yBtkG)
..............
I was rocking to "Stairway to Heaven" in the car on my way to work yesterday.. Some woman in the car next to me was giving me weird looks. Maybe it was the banging on the steering wheel during the "and as we wind on down the road" verse!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 03, 2012 05:55 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2012 05:56 PM (sb3kT)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 03, 2012 05:56 PM (hRH92)
Posted by: Defeat Paul, What a Loon at January 03, 2012 05:57 PM (gj4aA)
America is no one size fits all country. The GOP needs to change their primary system or continue to piss off the natural conservative base.
And stifle Rove. Nasty little toad.
Posted by: Pecos, at January 03, 2012 05:58 PM (2Gb0y)
Watch an Australian movie called "Storage". Trust me.
You can find it on Netflix.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 05:58 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Voting-Age Nebraskan at January 03, 2012 05:58 PM (kkQ6Q)
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 05:58 PM (gT3jF)
Now Ron Paul is gonna win the Iowa caucus thanx to Dhim agents.
This problem has GOT to become a priority for the GOP, else we will not have a GOP any more.
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 03, 2012 09:56 PM (hRH92)
Why was it GW's responsibility? Don't the states determine how their primary is operated?
Posted by: your favorite torrent site at January 03, 2012 05:58 PM (FIDMq)
I'll watch the Cheese Wiz Bowl until after that SCoMF announces his Stunning Victory in Iowa.
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 05:59 PM (Onw8c)
Posted by: whydidntyourun? at January 03, 2012 05:59 PM (/MuFf)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 03, 2012 09:58 PM (3fcX2)
Refusing to engage, Waterhouse. Suggest you do the same.
Posted by: Peaches at January 03, 2012 05:59 PM (UARKz)
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 09:55 PM (MMC8r)
The Ron Paul Revolution only started picking up steam once all the Deadheads finished about ten years of detox and rehab. Coincidence? I think not.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 03, 2012 05:59 PM (NmeZ3)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 03, 2012 05:59 PM (hWRjQ)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 05:59 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 06:00 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:00 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Defeat Paul, What a Loon at January 03, 2012 06:01 PM (gj4aA)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 03, 2012 06:01 PM (NmeZ3)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 06:01 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 06:01 PM (hC5jI)
Finally you say something smart.
I've been waiting.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 06:02 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Doc at January 03, 2012 06:02 PM (/h3en)
Posted by: ARRRJAYYY at January 03, 2012 06:02 PM (GD1rP)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 03, 2012 06:02 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 06:02 PM (Onw8c)
Posted by: Marmo an Iowanian at January 03, 2012 06:02 PM (pcgW1)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 03, 2012 06:02 PM (NmeZ3)
Oh Man. That was awesome.
I need a cigarette and a nap now.
Posted by: sifty at January 03, 2012 06:03 PM (WsOiK)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:03 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 06:03 PM (hC5jI)
Get the bottom of the pack out and start consolidating the base of the party.
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 06:04 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 03, 2012 06:04 PM (hRH92)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:04 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 06:04 PM (YiE0S)
Not Bachmann.
From 1st in the straw poll to LAST in the actual caucus.
Although a woman just came from the audience to tell her that she should continue on . . .
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 06:05 PM (LnQhT)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:05 PM (zLeKL)
I wouldn't get off my ass and run or take a stand on any candidate or even finish my own PAC-funded family vacation bus tour but you darn well better listen to me 'cause I'm a kingmaker. Or at least I would be if ya could pin me down on anything or anyone.
Oooh, and RON PAUL. Ya better respect him and his supporters. Tellin ya.
Posted by: Sarah Palin™ at January 03, 2012 06:05 PM (yBtkG)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012 06:07 PM (7r17x)
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 06:07 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 06:07 PM (ZiYQG)
Palin's talking, but all I'm hearing is "blah blah blah, I'm a dirty quitter."
Posted by: BugPowderJunkie at January 03, 2012 06:07 PM (PlSKr)
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 10:05 PM (LnQhT)
Another tragic tardasil victim, no doubt. Was the woman weeping as she spoke?
Posted by: Peaches at January 03, 2012 06:07 PM (UARKz)
713Listening to Hendrix rockin the Star-Spangled Banner.
Look up the version he did in Atlanta on youtube. July 4. 1970
Posted by: Reggie1971 at January 03, 2012 06:08 PM (gsO2s)
Someone who writes "per say" should not be holding forth on political matters.
Posted by: jeanne! at January 03, 2012 06:08 PM (9oS8E)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 03, 2012
Sanity will not prevail until you post a link to a catalog image of the panties themselves.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 06:08 PM (YiE0S)
How much does Rubio, Jindal, Christie (?), West, Ryan, etc, really want Obama out of office? Why did they let this happen?
Could they have screwed up this much?
I think Jindal, Daniels, and Christie should have given it a shot, but the others were right to stay where they are.
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 06:09 PM (d6QMz)
With luck, after four or eight years of being Secretary of Energy or of Interior . . . or both?
Posted by: filbert at January 03, 2012 06:09 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 09:46 PM (gT3jF)
I think I wanna visit your town for the next annual vinegar fair!
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at January 03, 2012 06:10 PM (q3zGg)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 06:10 PM (d6QMz)
1.) Radiohead is my favorite band, and I'm actually a well-regarded expert on the band (in an alter-ego).
2.) I'm a conservative.
3.) Fuck you.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 06:11 PM (hIWe1)
I'm not jumping ship until he calls it quits.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2012 09:37 PM (piMMO)
Same here. Perry's on Fox right now with Megan Hardass Kelly and she's asking questions like, "Why aren't you winning, Governor?" and, "Why are you such a loser, Governor?"
I so hope Ron Paul wins this.
Posted by: JoAnne at January 03, 2012 06:11 PM (8DdAv)
Posted by: Peaches at January 03, 2012 06:12 PM (UARKz)
Yes, but that's because she was a New York Jets fan.
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 10:09 PM (LnQhT)
Was that before or after the Tardasil shot? If it was before, even more tragic.
Posted by: Red Shirt at January 03, 2012 06:12 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:12 PM (zLeKL)
Yeah.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 06:13 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: keepyoureyesopenAndpost at January 03, 2012 06:13 PM (/MuFf)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 06:14 PM (ZiYQG)
Your skin makes me cry
See, but that's shitty early Radiohead. Their best music didn't come until Kid A and afterwards.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 06:14 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: filbert at January 03, 2012 06:15 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:16 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: rabidfox at January 03, 2012 06:16 PM (5qnlK)
To me, JPJ is the only decent human being in Led Zeppelin and one of the most talented musicians ever.
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 06:16 PM (LnQhT)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 06:17 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: Doc at January 03, 2012 06:17 PM (/h3en)
Perry spent ridiculous money here for the result he has gotten. Where is his firewall state in the next three or four contests?
Gingrich did poorly, but his was a campaign by TV ads and that wasn't going to work in Iowa anyway. He is hanging his hat on SC, so it didn't matter how he finished.
Santorum's campaign plan: 1. Win Iowa 2.???? 3.Be president. Interesting to find out what the ???? part is going to be. He should get a good boost out of this, though.
Romney: Not a good night to get punked by Santorum like he is.
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 06:18 PM (gT3jF)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:18 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 06:19 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2012 06:19 PM (sb3kT)
Posted by: tasker at January 03, 2012 06:20 PM (r2PLg)
1) Paltards are champion spammers
2) Romney's support will remain tepid
3) Perry hasn't a chance.
4) Gingrich is a falling star
Live it or live with it.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 03, 2012 06:21 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:21 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2012 06:21 PM (sb3kT)
Posted by: TBone at January 03, 2012 06:21 PM (PJqqZ)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 06:21 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:21 PM (zLeKL)
of Paul Ryan and Rubio.
And, you know what? He's right. The time is ripe. We need a fuckin' savior. Our country needs it.
Posted by: Peaches at January 03, 2012 06:22 PM (UARKz)
Posted by: tasker at January 03, 2012 06:23 PM (r2PLg)
Is that a major college area?
Posted by: f2000 at January 03, 2012 06:23 PM (FcMtg)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 06:23 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 06:23 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: tasker at January 03, 2012 06:24 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: ePub ebook for android at January 03, 2012 06:24 PM (jct/m)
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 06:25 PM (fUGwd)
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 06:25 PM (LnQhT)
Posted by: Cornfed at January 03, 2012 06:26 PM (TF47w)
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 06:26 PM (gT3jF)
Sorry about that I got the date wrong... let's see.. Michelle, no wait, here it is.
Newt Gingrich
OMG, are we serioulsy gonna nominate this guy president?
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 06:26 PM (fUGwd)
Posted by: joncelli at January 03, 2012 06:26 PM (+MbqG)
Posted by: ePub ebook for android at January 03, 2012 10:24 PM (jct/m)
I don't know bout that ePub, looks like only 10% or so in IA.
Posted by: mugiwara at January 03, 2012 06:26 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 06:28 PM (gT3jF)
Worse than you think. Perry, given his predicted 5th place finish as well as projections for NH and polling in SC means he might not qualify to be on stage for the next debate.
As I mentioned previously, the floor has fallen for him. This could be bad; not only for Ace & Co. but Romney supporters like myself.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 03, 2012 06:28 PM (447Af)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2012 06:29 PM (sb3kT)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 06:29 PM (Qjh0I)
Tiny neck and...Huge droopy foreskin.
It's kind of like the male version of the correlation of droopy boobs to big mouth vaginas.
Posted by: Wodeshed, now with Sex Panther! at January 03, 2012 06:29 PM (SgLsM)
>>>@Jeff B - Kid A and Amnesiac (recorded at the same time, I believe) are their masterpieces.
>>>You must be happy - this is all a win for Romney, isn't it?
For years I was convinced that Kid A was and would remain their peak...until they came up with In Rainbows. A greater, more unexpected late career turnaround hasn't been seen outside of Barry Bonds and BALCO. "Reckoner" may just be their finest moment on record, period.
Amnesiac always struck me as a bit too patchwork, chiefly because Thom Yorke crippled the album weeks before its release by removing "Cuttooth" (which remains their greatest B-side) and putting in the awful "Hunting Bears" in its place as the 9th song on the album. Listen to Amnesiac with "Cuttooth" restored (ideally crossfading in from "Dollars And Cents" as it originally was meant to) and the ENTIRE ALBUM becomes a completely different experience. I think people would widely consider it their best, or close, if they'd just let it go out the way it was supposed to.
And yeah, looking like a good night for Romney. First or second with Santorum is pretty much ideal, maybe even better than a decisive win as it keeps Rick alive and kicking to split the vote in SC with Perry, Paul, and maybe Gingrich and Bachmann.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 06:29 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2012 06:30 PM (sb3kT)
Posted by: tasker at January 03, 2012 06:31 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 06:33 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 06:34 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 03, 2012 06:35 PM (AcrIN)
Posted by: Fortunata at January 03, 2012 06:35 PM (90H1N)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:36 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2012 06:37 PM (sb3kT)
Especially if you're feeling gloomy about tonight's results. I've played this song on every election night since 2007. Radiohead's finest song. The last minute is profound.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 06:38 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 06:38 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: tasker at January 03, 2012 06:38 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Grimaldi at January 03, 2012 06:38 PM (7JrOh)
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 10:26 PM (gT3jF)
Ah. Should have spotted that.
Posted by: f2000 at January 03, 2012 06:39 PM (FcMtg)
It didn't happen at the caucus this time, but it did last time in 2008 as well as 2000. People who got up to speak for a candidate asked people to vote for their guy to see to it another viable candidate made it out as a competitor to the front runner.
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 06:39 PM (gT3jF)
>Oh God, there are more debates? I thought we were done with these things.
Next debate is on Saturday, then another on Sunday. 8 more after that.
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 06:39 PM (d6QMz)
And yeah, looking like a good night for Romney. First or second with Santorum is pretty much ideal . . .
Holy fuck. Biggest organization, most money, running for over four years, has the backing of the national GOP, and is tied at 23% with a nobody.
Dream on, boy. I've had more impressive sharts.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 03, 2012 06:40 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: tasker at January 03, 2012 06:40 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 03, 2012 06:42 PM (AcrIN)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:42 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 03, 2012 06:44 PM (AcrIN)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 06:44 PM (hC5jI)
But now it's clear we need to settle, or we're going to repeat 2008 and wind up with a really poor candidate who can't even distinguish himself from democrats because he's that weak.
Santorum beat all these guys, and he had about as much funding as a girl scout troupe. That he apparently beat Romney is staggering, given how much romney has put into being president for most of the past decade. Many, many millions. What a weak candidate.
Sure, Newt didn't win either, but he didn't need to and his campaign is also on a shoestring. We need to watch the near future and see if Newt really can win. Personally, I think Newt is the most conservative candidate who can win. Wish that were Perry, but it isn't.
Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 06:44 PM (rQ/Ue)
I hope Newt stays in to club Romney to smithereens. We need someone to do that.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 06:44 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 03, 2012 06:45 PM (AcrIN)
And Dr. Kookoobananas managed third on his friendliest ground anywhere.
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 06:45 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: ePub ebook for android at January 03, 2012 06:46 PM (jct/m)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 06:47 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:48 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Doc at January 03, 2012 06:48 PM (/h3en)
This is how Europeans win elections, and wind up forced into unworkable coalition governments.
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 06:50 PM (MMC8r)
If you like "Arpeggi" (I love it...and I'm still used to calling by its original name) then you MUST MUST MUST check out this incredible version of it, from 2005's Ether Festival:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6X9LW59S
Very early performance, two years before it would be officially recorded. Truly captures that feeling of being "in the deepest oceans, the bottom of the sea."
(Everyone is welcome to download this...I just uploaded it personally, so no worries about viruses or whatnot.)
I also love "Bodysnatcher" -- as heavy a rock song as they've done since the era of The Bends. Also a huge fan of "Nude" (a miracle, really -- a song they'd had around for over a decade, that they didn't actually ruin when they finally came up with an official version) and "Faust Arp."
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 06:53 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: tasker at January 03, 2012 06:53 PM (r2PLg)
Er, that's stunningly obvious now that you've made me think about it. I was thinking the perks for extra stuff in treasures chest would be worth it, even though you have to go through several others. But since the lockpicks are cheap and weigh nothing, there's no reason not to burn through them.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 06:54 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 06:55 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 06:56 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: tasker at January 03, 2012 06:56 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 06:56 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:56 PM (zLeKL)
He's a mavericky maverick of the maverickest kind, just like me, you betcha. I like people who stir it up, keep it interestin', stick a stick in the hornet's nest.
And I keep an Israeli flag on my desk, or at least I did up until I bolted from office, so I hereby inoculate him from charges of Jew-hatred. Issue over. Mama Grizzly says.
Posted by: Sarah Palin™ at January 03, 2012 06:57 PM (yBtkG)
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 06:58 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 06:58 PM (hIWe1)
So is Mitt gonna break his 2008 take tonight? He's been running this long and hasn't lost anyone yet, that's gotta count for something, right?
Posted by: mugiwara at January 03, 2012 06:58 PM (KI/Ch)
It's a straw poll. It's not the end of the world.
The thing about a caucus is that, in Iowa, it's on a cold night in January, middle of the week, and you make people wait more than an hour in a meeting before they get to vote for their candidate. The people who come out to vote for a candidate really, really want to. And the campaigns that are better at turning out passionate support will get their ticket punched for NH.
Maybe Iowa doesn't pick presidents, but they serve an important role.
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 06:58 PM (gT3jF)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 06:58 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 06:59 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: rabidfox at January 03, 2012 06:59 PM (5qnlK)
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 06:59 PM (gT3jF)
Posted by: Sarah Palin's hairdresser at January 03, 2012 07:01 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:01 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 03, 2012 07:01 PM (AcrIN)
>>>How would you go about learning lock-picking? I'd love to pick that up. Just to do it.
See, I thought you were referring to the actual, real-world skill of LOCKPICKING. Then I went back and searched the thread thinking I'd find an interesting subconversation...
You AD&D dorks are hilarious. God love ya.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 07:02 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: TBone at January 03, 2012 07:03 PM (PJqqZ)
Posted by: Sarah Palin's hairdresser at January 03, 2012 07:04 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:04 PM (nj1bB)
How would you go about learning lock-picking? I'd love to pick that up. Just to do it.
Ace, we're talking about Skyrim, if it's the game you're wondering about. In-game, you're introduced to the practice about ten minutes in (depending on how long you took designing your character). You already have ten lockpicks in your inventory, so you just walk up to a locked door or chest, hit "x" when prompted and the minigame starts. Like any other skill in the game you get better by doing it a lot.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 07:05 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 03, 2012 07:06 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:07 PM (nj1bB)
If you're going to learn Italian, you might as well learn Spanish too. Once you know one, the other will come easy-peasy. And Spanish is a fucking cinch to learn outside of the normal difficulties that native English-speakers have in deploying things like the subjunctive and conditional tenses.
French is a bit harder because of the vocab.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 07:07 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 07:08 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 03, 2012 07:09 PM (AcrIN)
You don't seem to get it: if you learn Italian, you're already 85% of the way towards knowing Spanish at a level of semi-fluency. (And it's a short step to Portuguese from there). Meanwhile, the same quasi-commutative property does not apply to French, which has a whole shitton of German-language interference wreaking havoc on its vocabulary and pronunciation to render it significantly more difficult to pick up.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 07:10 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 07:11 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 03, 2012 07:11 PM (7+pP9)
LarrySabato Rand Paul did NOT applaud when Ron Paul said, "It's time to get out of Afghanistan." Rand looked very uneasy...
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 07:12 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:12 PM (nj1bB)
If you're going to learn French, there are two key phrases:
Voulez-vous coucher avec moi?
and whatever the 75 words for "surrender" are.
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 07:12 PM (LnQhT)
I'd bet you could find a youtube video or a dozen to get you started. It seems like just a lot of trial and error once you have the basic idea down.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 07:12 PM (sOXQX)
Always look for the side-channel attack.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 03, 2012 07:13 PM (447Af)
Posted by: Earth Bound Misfit at January 03, 2012 07:13 PM (jiwQf)
I'm not sure if I'd call it a win for Newt, given where he was in the polls a few weeks ago. He survives, so it's a win relative to Bachmann, I guess.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 07:15 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:15 PM (nj1bB)
Look at the fucking county map.
That's what elections look like. Romney wins in all the blue areas around the cities, a few humungous cesspits of corruption and city planning, and gets his ass blown out everywhere else.
Santorum carries the rural vote, Ron Paul a bit of each, Perry won 2 small precincts.
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 07:15 PM (fUGwd)
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 07:16 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:16 PM (nj1bB)
Wow, you're really living in a fantasy world, aren't you? I'm sorry you're so upset about Romney's victory tonight (yes, even if Santorum ends up topping by some statistically insignificant margin, it's a big victory). The idea that Paul or GINGRICH (ha!) are going to be thought of as "winners" after tonight's results is laughable sour grapes.
Remember: no matter how hard you squinch your eyes shut and WISH, it won't make those wishes come true.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 07:17 PM (hIWe1)
Huntsman gets to pretend through NH, but short of beating Mitt there, I don't see how he justifies his campaign beyond that.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 07:17 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Earth Bound Misfit at January 03, 2012 07:17 PM (jiwQf)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:18 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Chris at January 03, 2012 07:19 PM (XGZYX)
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 07:20 PM (sOXQX)
>>>Look at the fucking county map.
>>>That's what elections look like. Romney wins in all the blue areas around the cities, a few humungous cesspits of corruption and city planning, and gets his ass blown out everywhere else.
>>>Santorum carries the rural vote, Ron Paul a bit of each, Perry won 2 small precincts.
Yes, and? You do realize this is a STATEWIDE election, right? It really doesn't matter where the votes come from in the state, just so long as the numbers are there.
And Romney is only winning the "blue areas around the cities" because, generally speaking, there are more Republicans there than anywhere else in Iowa. There are also more Democrats (and, being cities, the Dems outnumber the GOP unfortunately).
I don't see how this is some sort of indictment of Romney's victory, or a warning sign about how the general election might play out...unless you're just trying to float an unstated "them thar RURAL folks are more pure and true and conservative than those city slickers!" bullshit thesis.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 07:20 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Grimaldi at January 03, 2012 07:20 PM (7JrOh)
Posted by: Locarno at January 03, 2012 07:20 PM (QABa/)
Not really. Tactically, maybe. Think strategically.
Strategically, Iowa has killed the viable anti-Romney's.
In the long-run, the only viable candidates were Perry, Romney and maybe Gingrich if we lived in a simulation with a crazy-ass guy at the helm.
Iowa, tonight, has effectively ended Rick Perry -- given NH and the requirements of top-4 finisher, there is a high probability he won't qualify for the next debate in South Carolina. The debate gaffe was the virtual end, this is the real thing.
Iowa has fatally wounded Gingrich. He's bleeding and totally defensive without Maverick on Catapult 3.
Iowa has pushed up Ron Paul and Santorum as the anti-Romney's. Ron Paul is bloody insane. Santorum seem to have huge reservations, even voiced here.
Iowa was well played by the Boston crew.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 03, 2012 07:21 PM (447Af)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 07:22 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Newt Gingrich at January 03, 2012 07:22 PM (/h3en)
It's been pretty widely believed for a day or two now that he was going to drop out and throw his support to Santorum in an effort to fuck over Romney.
Which is pretty evil given that Romney is a very likely winner in the general election against Obama (at the very least our ONLY credible candidate) and Santorum is a 100% guaranteed landslide loser.
But hey, that's his right. And that's classic Newt for you: the man is driven more by his hatreds, appetites and resentments than any semblance of principle.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 07:22 PM (hIWe1)
Just remember, second place is the first loser.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 07:22 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 03, 2012 07:23 PM (hRH92)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:23 PM (nj1bB)
If Newt had countered Mitt's negative ads, he probably wouldn't be in 4th place.
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 07:24 PM (d6QMz)
Huntsman isn't out yet, but will be very soon.
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 07:24 PM (gT3jF)
I don't see how this is some sort of indictment of Romney's victory, or a warning sign about how the general election might play out...unless you're just trying to float an unstated "them thar RURAL folks are more pure and true and conservative than those city slickers!" bullshit thesis.
I just think it's interesting the way Romney plays in the state is the same way a democrat plays in the state.
Romney's support is a majority only in areas that are dominated by democrats.
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 07:25 PM (fUGwd)
Well, we'll find out if you're right about one of those.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 07:25 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Locarno at January 03, 2012 07:25 PM (QABa/)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 07:25 PM (ZiYQG)
This is the Real Newt. You know, now that the mask has slipped.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 07:26 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:26 PM (nj1bB)
And I remember McCain's campaign was d-e-a-d, dead, at one point in 2008.
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 07:27 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 03, 2012 07:27 PM (hRH92)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 03, 2012 07:27 PM (AcrIN)
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 07:27 PM (LnQhT)
I suppose that wouldn't make sense to those of you without a shred of humanity.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 07:27 PM (sOXQX)
But man, my Twitter feed tells me I'm not alone in my reaction to Newt. It's playing...poorly.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 07:27 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:27 PM (nj1bB)
To be fair, Iowa didn't end Rick Perry...Rick Perry pretty much did.
Asshat was in the lead by ten points in August. Then he started speaking. I don't think he was prepared for the scrutiny of a national issues campaign, much like Palin wasn't when she became the VP nominee.
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 07:28 PM (gT3jF)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:29 PM (nj1bB)
Don't you have to trick him into saying his name backwards first?
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 07:29 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 07:30 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:30 PM (nj1bB)
I know it's me, but every time you post the Twitter feed from "The Fix" and they go, say, 92% in, I keep reading "The Fix Is In".
Thanks for the updates, though; very valuable contributions.
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 07:31 PM (LnQhT)
I just think it's interesting the way Romney plays in the state is the same way a democrat plays in the state.
Romney's support is a majority only in areas that are dominated by democrats.
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 11:25 PM (fUGwd)
Looking through the Google widget, I see counties that Romney won where Santorum was the next favored candidate, but in a lot of counties Santorum won, Romney was far down the list. What to make of that?
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 07:31 PM (gT3jF)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 11:29 PM (nj1bB)
It's a wonder a super-genius like that is so desperate for friends he settles for negative attention here and then tries to get chummy.
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 07:31 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Earth Bound Misfit at January 03, 2012 07:31 PM (jiwQf)
Is it playing poorly among anyone other than the "Romney at all costs" crowd? I'm really not sure why you ever thought absolutely everyone was going to just throw their support behind Romney. He's nothing special.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 07:32 PM (sOXQX)
It's like if the Democrats nominated a guy who did better in rural areas.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 03, 2012 07:32 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 07:33 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Earth Bound Misfit at January 03, 2012 07:33 PM (jiwQf)
I know it's me, but every time you post the Twitter feed from "The Fix" and they go, say, 92% in, I keep reading "The Fix Is In".
Thanks for the updates, though; very valuable contributions.
NRO Tweet Tracker is a great resource.
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 07:33 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Locarno at January 03, 2012 07:33 PM (QABa/)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:34 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at January 03, 2012 07:35 PM (yBtkG)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:35 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 07:35 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: misty at January 03, 2012 07:37 PM (z9Chx)
Posted by: mama winger at January 03, 2012 07:37 PM (P6QsQ)
Oh, no, Ace, he was suddenly the bet buddy at the bar when the subject came around to music. You could see how thrilled he was to chit chat instead of trying to get attention with his troll schtick.
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 07:37 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 07:37 PM (gT3jF)
Not a concession, apparently.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 07:38 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:38 PM (nj1bB)
Seems simple enough. And fun. If memory serves, possession of the tools is a felony in some states unless the possessor is a super secret gooberment approved lock picker. YMMV.
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 07:38 PM (Onw8c)
Posted by: CausticConservative at January 03, 2012 07:39 PM (gT3jF)
Posted by: Lick at January 03, 2012 11:37 PM
Yeah. We're hopeless. I'd ditch us if I were you.
Posted by: mama winger at January 03, 2012 07:39 PM (P6QsQ)
My audio processing never got up to speed. I can follow Spanish TV and movies if Spanish subtitles are on, otherwise it's too fast for the audio part of my brain. But I can read Spanish in real time.
After a lot of effort I got to the point where I could watch/read Hollywood movies dubbed in Spanish, trashy Mexican chat shows about celebrities, and Mexican sports shows about soccer.
Culturally I didn't exactly elevate myself. ESPN Deportes and Sabado Gigante didn't really expand my cultural frontier much.
The reading seems to be a permanent part of my brain now. I can go long periods without reading anything in Spanish, but jump right back in. But my poor audio processing gets even shittier if I go weeks or months without practicing.
I go on periodic self-improvement kicks. The language one took me a long time. And probably wasn't worth the effort. I enjoyed it though.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 03, 2012 07:40 PM (QcFbt)
Not a chance. He was kicked out of office to the tune of almost 20 points in '06, and even in a bad year no Republican has any business losing PA by that margin. There was a reason he lost so badly.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at January 03, 2012 07:40 PM (yBtkG)
Posted by: Locarno at January 03, 2012 07:40 PM (QABa/)
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 07:41 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:41 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 07:41 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at January 03, 2012 07:41 PM (yBtkG)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:42 PM (nj1bB)
Looking through the Google widget, I see counties that Romney won where Santorum was the next favored candidate, but in a lot of counties Santorum won, Romney was far down the list. What to make of that?
Yup. The 2 that went for Perry, Paul and Santorum take 2nd and 3rd (1 each) and Romney 4th.
In the counties that went for Paul, he probably averages 4th place, Perry and Gingrich show up more in Paul counties, and Santorum ahead of him. In one or two of Paul's bluest counties, Romney shows up 2nd. A couple of others, 5th.
He shows up 2nd in about 1/3rd of Santorum's counties, but then 3rd - 5th in the rest. In Davis he came in 6th.
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at January 03, 2012 07:42 PM (fUGwd)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 07:43 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:43 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 07:44 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Locarno at January 03, 2012 07:45 PM (QABa/)
, Romney at 24.6% (28,879), Paul at (25,044)Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 07:47 PM (d6QMz)
Wow, you're really living in a fantasy world, aren't you? I'm sorry you're so upset about Romney's victory tonight (yes, even if Santorum ends up topping by some statistically insignificant margin, it's a big victory). The idea that Paul or GINGRICH (ha!) are going to be thought of as "winners" after tonight's results is laughable sour grapes.
Remember: no matter how hard you squinch your eyes shut and WISH, it won't make those wishes come true.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 11:17 PM (hIWe1)
I detest Paul and have no love for Gingrich.This is Paul's high water mark -- he only does well in contests like internet polls and caucuses, stuff his fanboys can spam. It's all downhill for him from now on.
Perry lost badly. He's an ex-candidate. A Norwegian Blue.
So if you combine Perry's and Paul's loss, it moves Newt up. I think Newt would be a horrible nominee against Obama, but it's a fact that he gains from tonight's showing.
Santorum has been catapulted into the latest "not Romney", win or lose.
Right now Romney can't win by more than a few hundred votes. That's truly pathetic.
So the only two winners tonight are Santorum and Gingrich. That logic is undeniable.
Romney will get about zero momentum from his NH win. Things are going to get interesting after that.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 03, 2012 07:48 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 03, 2012 07:49 PM (AcrIN)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 07:50 PM (d6QMz)
It wasn't "Howard Dean 2004," but...it will not help him. At all.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 07:50 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 03, 2012 07:50 PM (AcrIN)
Cars were much easier.
I'm kinda friends with a local locksmith. I may ask him about learning tricks of the trade, just for hobby purposes. Puzzles fascinate me.
Posted by: The guy who doesn't know his nic at January 03, 2012 07:51 PM (Onw8c)
It's worse than that according to Erick Erickson and Ed Morrissey: apparently Santorum is demanding that Romney "concede" so Santorum can deliver his 'victory' speech. Which, as Morrissey points out, is almost Newt-like in its arrogant insanity and retardation given that there are still 66 precincts (many of them in Romney-leaning areas) still out there to be counted and only 116 or so votes between the two.
Kinda douchey, Rick.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 07:53 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:54 PM (nj1bB)
1) Spanish.
2) Drawing. Several tries. All failures. Could trace and do some rudimentary cartooning.
3) Guitar. Pretty easy to get to basic campfire rock stage. Hard to get good, though. And if you don't practice it's a bitch on the fingers.
4) Piano. I play piano like a guitar, strumming chords.
5) Juggling. Easy to master 3 ball cascade.
6) Sleight of hand card magic. Did this as a teen. Fun to learn. Downfall was I always get nervous and twitchy during the tricky part.
Drawing was the only one I'd consider a near complete failure. I can juggle, do a card trick, and play a recognizable version of most popular songs on either guitar or piano. But if you asked me to draw something it'd look like total crap.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 03, 2012 07:55 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 03, 2012 07:56 PM (AcrIN)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:57 PM (nj1bB)
And we're going to New Hampshire, and South Carolina, and then shipping up to Boston to kick Romney right in his magic underwear.
BYEAH
Posted by: Newt Gingrich tonight at January 03, 2012 07:57 PM (LnQhT)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 07:57 PM (d6QMz)
I'm not sure what the rush for either one to speak is in that case. But there's hardly anything untoward about asking loser Romney to acknowledge his place in the race.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 07:58 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at January 03, 2012 07:58 PM (yBtkG)
It's worse than that according to Erick Erickson and Ed Morrissey: apparently Santorum is demanding that Romney "concede" so Santorum can deliver his 'victory' speech. Which, as Morrissey points out, is almost Newt-like in its arrogant insanity and retardation given that there are still 66 precincts (many of them in Romney-leaning areas) still out there to be counted and only 116 or so votes between the two.
Kinda douchey, Rick.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 11:53 PM (hIWe1)
Sounds to me more like Erickson & the Doughboy are being pretty douchy by spreading some loose shit they made up.Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 03, 2012 07:58 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 07:58 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 07:59 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 03, 2012 07:59 PM (AcrIN)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 07:59 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 07:59 PM (LnQhT)
With all due respect, you just aren't grasping this. Romney doesn't need momentum, he has the money and infrastructure to go the distance. He doesn't need tactical wins. The only other candidate who didn't need tactical shenanigans in these contests (because he had the money, the structure and the right backing) was Rick Perry, who just died tonight.
Forget the tactics. Think strategically. The only viable anti-Romney, Rick Perry finished 5th and given NH as it currently stands, he will not qualify for even the debates in South Carolina.
The inputs into Iowa were Perry and Gingrich. The outputs are Santorum and Ron-fucking-Paul. Gingrich has been fatally neutered IMHO.
Iowa has basically forced the Republican party to walk the line and ask themselves if they're feeling not lucky, but fucking batshit insane.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 03, 2012 07:59 PM (447Af)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 08:00 PM (hC5jI)
>>>I don't think you can come back once you say you're reassessing.
Yeah, I think Perry's done.
This kind of throws a spanner into the works of what I thought SC would look like. I expected Newt to drop out, not Perry.
Perry's speech was classy and heartfelt. Again, it reminded me of why I've always liked the guy, even as I concluded that he wasn't up to the task of running for/being our nominee for President. Striking contrast to Newt.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 08:01 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Doc at January 03, 2012 08:02 PM (/h3en)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 08:03 PM (nj1bB)
According to the radio show tonight, he indicated he was pretty strongly leaning towards Romney now. But revolted at having to find himself in this position.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 08:03 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 08:04 PM (LnQhT)
Heard about this for the first time on your guest appearance tonight. You're not serious, are you? I've got news for you: it's not going to happen.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 08:04 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Doc at January 03, 2012 08:05 PM (/h3en)
I don't think you can come back once you say you're reassessing.
Yeah, sorry ace. You were right this summer that the Rick Perry we thought we were getting was the best shot at holding the party together and doing the right things in office. What, could have been...
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 08:05 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 08:06 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 08:06 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 08:07 PM (hC5jI)
For most skills, I would always fall short of my goal, but I would make tangible progress. And the next time I'd be able to start at a higher level.
But with drawing I just have zero natural talent.
I have a brother who is a decent artist. I honestly have never gotten close to how good he was when he was 8. And he's not ever that good. He just has some natural talent to draw what's in his mind's eye. I don't.
I worked through books. I did the drawing exercises. And I showed zero improvement. I bought books, special pencils. That Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain book that was popular.
(The most likely reason I can't draw is that the Bilderberger and North American Superhighway groups poisoned the fluoride in my water and chemically lobotomized the drawing portion of my brain. Which is why I'm supporting Dr. Ron Paul who has vowed to not chemically lobotomize my brain.)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 03, 2012 08:07 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 08:07 PM (LnQhT)
If Perry withdraws tomorrow, that frees up donors and volunteers to migrate to other campaigns. And if that happens, the key will be whether they migrate to Romney, Newt or Santorum.
Posted by: stuiec at January 03, 2012 08:07 PM (PcAXh)
The only viable anti-Romney, Rick Perry finished 5th . . .
Think about what you wrote. It doesn't make any sense.
A third place prediction for Perry was stretching it, fourth was more likely. That didn't make him a very viable anti-Romney candidate. He hasn't been the viable anti-Romney candidate for months.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 03, 2012 08:08 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2012 08:08 PM (GZitp)
Um...thanks but no thanks, John.
Posted by: Mitt Romney at January 03, 2012 08:08 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 03, 2012 08:09 PM (AcrIN)
Ace was wrong, that Gov. Perry, the reality, was anywhere near ready for the national stage.
Ace was wrong, that the conservative base from 2000-2004, is the right distribution of voters to target in 2012.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 03, 2012 08:10 PM (447Af)
Allah reporting that McCain is endorsing Romney tomorrow
Posted by: The Q at January 04, 2012 12:07 AM (LnQhT)
Rove and the AOS Romneybots will be jizzing their pants.Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 03, 2012 08:10 PM (7+pP9)
Obviously in an effort to cement the "true conservative" vote behind him.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 08:11 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 08:12 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 08:12 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 03, 2012 08:13 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 08:14 PM (d6QMz)
You're reading into my post something that isn't there. What's my crime here, repeating what you said in your own voice a couple hours ago? Unless I was tripping on PCP you quite clearly said that between Paul, Romney and Santorum you would reluctantly choose Romney. (I did point out that you would be 'revolted' at having to do so.) If you changed your mind in the last 120 minutes then fine -- it's not my fault for taking you at your word, though.
I guess if the larger point you're making is "I'm in a crappy mood because this outcome sucks a fucking dick as far as my personal desires are concerned," then I can understand that. Not trying to dance on anyone's grave here -- especially because, as I keep pointing out, I actually like Perry and respect him (and would be happy to support him as my nominee had he won) in a way that I don't feel about, say, Newt.
If you want to go jump on the Huntsman bandwagon, then fine go ahead. Hell, I'd be fine with Huntsman if I thought he could win the nomination.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 08:14 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 03, 2012 08:14 PM (AcrIN)
And if the Romney-bots continue insisting that the party win an election without us, we'll find out whether you can.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 08:15 PM (sOXQX)
Of course it does, you're just confusing scales.
Gov. Perry is the only globally viable candidate that can go-toe-to-toe with Romney nationally. He has vocal super-nodes in the conservative movement like Ace, he had the Southern money men, the infrastructure/hierarchy and experienced team. Nobody else had this.
Perry's sucked recently and Iowa's poor performance was the result.
There is a difference between global optimal solutions and local ones.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 03, 2012 08:15 PM (447Af)
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 08:16 PM (LnQhT)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 08:16 PM (ZiYQG)
allahpundit When does Charlie Crist declare his candidacy? He can probably win South Carolina at this point
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 08:16 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: BSR at January 03, 2012 08:17 PM (BH4RQ)
To Romney fans, not so much.
Heh -- looks like the real winner is about to "concede".
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 03, 2012 08:17 PM (7+pP9)
Gingrich is polling strong in both those states, and he's not going to cede them easily to Santorum. It seems like it's rapidly turning into a three-prong race: Romney, Paul, and a battle for the third spot on the stage between Gingrich and Santorum.
Romney still hasn't demonstrated that he can add the former supporters of anti-Romney candidates to his own base of support. If Santorum and Gingrich end up in a two-man race to split 65 percent of the GOP vote, one or even both will end up with more than Romney's 25 percent share.
Posted by: stuiec at January 03, 2012 08:17 PM (PcAXh)
Yes, except that at that point the candidate himself becomes a problem. Santorum might possibly be a threat (though I'll believe it when I see it), but Gingrich will continue to drown in the buckets of offal drenched up by his horrible past misdeeds, and his own weirdness.
But hey, I ain't Karl Rove. Maybe you're right.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 08:18 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 08:19 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 08:19 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Andy at January 03, 2012 08:20 PM (XG+Mn)
Posted by: Doc at January 03, 2012 08:20 PM (/h3en)
I'm wondering whether Santorum went first because his guys ran the numbers and guessed that the outstanding districts would take Romney over the top.
Total pulled-it-out-of-my-ass speculation on that, but I wonder.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 08:22 PM (hIWe1)
Jeff, let me tell you: if you're inserting the word "weirdness" into a comparison of Santorum and Gingrich, you applied it to the wrong guy.
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 08:23 PM (LnQhT)
To Romney fans, not so much.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 04, 2012 12:17 AM (7+pP9)
'Night, Newt.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at January 03, 2012 08:23 PM (yBtkG)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 03, 2012 08:23 PM (V6fqC)
I'm not sure how much traction Paul gets from here on out. It does make me curious about Virginia. If Paul was the leading not Romney, I doubt anyone would be surprised to see Romney get 80% of that primary. But if there is no chance of Paul winning the nomination, he returns to being a viable protest candidate box to check.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 08:24 PM (sOXQX)
>>>I don't like him but he would have had a legit shot based on his record had he not made the dumbass decision to run as a "no labels" type moderate
It's more than that. I actually tried -- during the phase where I was like "no fucking WAY am I going to default to supporting Romney!" and yes there really was one -- to get into the idea of supporting Huntsman. But I just couldn't. It wasn't merely the conservative-baiting on global warming (though my god did that piss me off), it's...something about his entire demeanor. His tone just seems "off." For all that people talk about Mitt Romney being "plastic" or "fake" he doesn't hold a candle to Huntsman in the "unctuousness" sweepstakes.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 08:24 PM (hIWe1)
> And if the Romney-bots continue insisting that the party win an election without us, we'll find out whether you can.
This election is too important to play that game.
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 08:25 PM (d6QMz)
I just wish he didn't publicly make many of the homosexual / beastiality comments; would be a huge drag as a VP against the Chicago assholes.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 03, 2012 08:26 PM (447Af)
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Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 08:27 PM (d6QMz)
That's the way this primary was always going to be. The thing is in primaries is after a while voters like to attach themselves to winners. Strong showing in Iowa, a win in NH, strong showing in SC, etc. pretty soon he starts moving off the 25%. It's not just a win here and there it's consistency. Maybe Santorum has it in him but I think consistency has a lot to do with money.
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2012 08:28 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: 49 other states at January 03, 2012 08:29 PM (/h3en)
Posted by: Andy at January 03, 2012 08:30 PM (XG+Mn)
Nah, that's not really fair to Santorum. I mean, Santorum is a wet blanket, and comes off like a sour so-con parody sometimes, but he seems like a pretty decent guy all told. Even his one truly irksome failing -- the constant need to say shit like "guys...hey guys, I DID COOL STUFF when I was a Senator!" -- is reasonably human and relatable.
Meanwhile Newt genuinely seems to think of himself as a Nietzschean "superman" archetype, and behaves accordingly. This is a guy who was literally justifying his flip-flopping on global warming last week by proclaiming that he was an "amateur paleontologist," and who privately talks about how bourgeois morality is only something that needs to be paid "lip service" to, but that Great Men like him can behave as their needs dictate. The guy's track record is littered with...well, "weirdness" is the best catch-all I can think of.
Santorum's a nerd, and a really terrible fit in terms of profile for the current moment. But Newt actually sometimes gives off genuine 'sociopath' vibes to me.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 08:30 PM (hIWe1)
I really feel sorry for those of you who are going to have to make that argument, in the possible event of a Romney nomination, when, being already too unreliable for much of the base's taste, he veers left in the general so as "to not scare independents." You have a miserable year ahead of you.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 08:30 PM (sOXQX)
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Posted by: robtr at January 03, 2012 08:32 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: 49 other states at January 04, 2012 12:29 AM (/h3en)
There'll be none of this talk of "thrusting" when I'm president, ladies and gentlemen.
Posted by: Ricky Sanctimorum at January 03, 2012 08:33 PM (yBtkG)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 08:34 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 08:36 PM (hC5jI)
I really feel sorry for those of you who are going to have to make that argument, in the possible event of a Romney nomination, when, being already too unreliable for much of the base's taste, he veers left in the general so as "to not scare independents." You have a miserable year ahead of you.
So I just give-up on this country altogether, is that your argument? The unwillingness of the conservative population to fight for the family unit, morality, education, etc. when it mattered is partially how we got into this mess.
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 08:39 PM (d6QMz)
I agree with all you said about Newt.
I guess I just tend to use "weird" in a different, less malevolent context. To me, Santorum, who you described as a nerd, wet blanket, and socon parody, is "weird".
Romney's pretty "weird" too. Gingrich might just be evil, but I think "weird" is a non-threatening adjective
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 08:39 PM (LnQhT)
Huntsman just gives off douche chills. No way around it, even if his policies might align better than some of the other candidates
Posted by: The Q at January 03, 2012 08:41 PM (LnQhT)
Genius, you might want to go read about what civil wars generally look like if you think making arrests is some kind of threat/solution.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 08:41 PM (sOXQX)
How about you quit cramming your view of morality down our throats?
No one is cramming anything down your throat, you self-loathing idiot.
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 08:44 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 08:44 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Barney Frank at January 03, 2012 08:46 PM (yBtkG)
I'm not suggesting a course of action for you. I'm saying that your claim that this election is important, coupled with the nomination of an unprincipled, untrustworthy, lefty-pandering, government healthcare supporting squish, just doesn't hold water. It makes no sense to claim that it's vitally important that we nibble around the edges of problems which may well ruin us before the election arrives anyway.
If our choice are Romney or Obama, then the truth is that 70-80% of the people of this country have already given up and no choice we make is going to affect the macro outcome.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 08:47 PM (sOXQX)
Do you just come out of hiding during primary nights to bug the shit out of us, dude?
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 08:50 PM (hIWe1)
Perry is not done.
He just wants let people think about what the field would look like without him. Crafty move.
Santorum will destroy himself, no experience.
Bachmann is done.
Any real conservatives left ???
Posted by: seamrog at January 03, 2012 08:51 PM (XOQah)
Posted by: Jypsea Rose at January 03, 2012 08:51 PM (digkk)
Yep. I pretty much have never commented here except on election nights. And I'm totally the only person that ever feels the moral compunction to troll you.
Boo!
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 08:52 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 08:52 PM (ZiYQG)
Posted by: ace at January 03, 2012 10:55 PM
I understand how you feel, Ace, but it's just politics. We may not like them, but their votes are going to come in awful handy come November.
Remember also many are young and idealistic and not overly informed outside of their bubble of info. As they mature and stop masturbating to the most boring novel ever written -- Atlas Shrugged -- some will adopt more realistic stances, and they'll be predisposed to adopt them on the right side of the aisle.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 08:55 PM (YiE0S)
I'm guessing that's because, in part, you don't like listening to someone take a rhetorical billyclub to President Obama.
Santorum's speech was surprisingly good, however. And hey -- I'm a biased hack.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 03, 2012 08:58 PM (hIWe1)
I agree that it would largely mean they have given-up, at least at that point. However, we still have a chance of future recovery if Romney is elected; if Obama is re-elected, though, there will be no coming back.
Besides, if you feel it will make absolutely no difference whatsoever, then why even bother threatening to withhold a vote for Romney?
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 09:00 PM (d6QMz)
Ron Paul's neo-Nazi supporters are irrelevant because they never voted Republican, or for anyone else, in the first place. These are people who were overwhelmingly apolitical until DOCTOR Paul came goose-stepping in, and will be again after his bunker collapses around him. So fuck 'em.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at January 03, 2012 09:01 PM (yBtkG)
Posted by: Lick at January 04, 2012 12:50 AM (hogX0)
Hard to argue there. Sure, if you die in unbelief and isolate yourself in Hell for all eternity, or until its annihilation following the last judgment, I suppose you can accomplish a total separation from God. And win, or something.The point was God's omnipresence makes it an impossible task while you walk this earth, regardless of my, or any other Christian's, intent towards you. So whining to us about your desire not to be under his feet is pointless.
Fortunately for you, he loves you, and is more patient than most of us, and only asks that you accept forgiveness for your sins.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 09:01 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at January 03, 2012 09:02 PM (ZiYQG)
Find some online news TV or radio stations in Italian or French and start listening.
Buy CHILDREN's books, with pictures to start, in Italian or French.
Buy simple French or Italian school children grammar books and dictionaries.
It'll seem foreign (duh) for a while, but it will come to you, and you will start THINKING in those languages, not just translating.
Also, sure, use traditional methods to gain some basic vocabulary and grammar, but concurrently, do the above.
Finally, check out Tim Ferriss's stuff on learning foreign languages quickly.
Wait, not finally.
Also, travel to regions where it is spoken!
Good luck.
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 09:03 PM (YiE0S)
Voicing despair. And it is the logically required counterargument to the Romneybots' inevitability/electability obsession.
However, we still have a chance of future recovery if Romney is elected
I just don't believe that. I guess it's good for you to have that hope, but I can't fake it.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2012 09:07 PM (sOXQX)
He's not as electable as they think he is but their bragging doesn't make me feel vengeful. Voting or withholding votes based on the feelings of others just doesn't make sense to me.
I just don't believe that. I guess it's good for you to have that hope, but I can't fake it.
I can't force you to be optimistic but I hope you can understand why I feel let-down by older conservatives. Doesn't mean my generation is somehow blameless in all this but I do feel that it's not just the Republican politicians who threw-in the towel.
Posted by: Miss80s at January 03, 2012 09:26 PM (d6QMz)
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Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 09:44 PM (YiE0S)
Quite!
Posted by: Random at January 03, 2012 09:45 PM (YiE0S)
I was born in the 70s, so it's not so much about being older as just understanding that there are inescapable consequences for the choices we've made in allowing credit to drive our economy and allowing Democrats to waste all the resources they did buying votes, and understanding the magnitude of further damage being inflicted by the frauds being committed today to cover it all up.
Ballots disappearing in the deep of night only to turn up in Romney's favor is not helping my mood.
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