December 09, 2012
— Ace Interesting. Well, for a Sunday.
If we are, in fact, ditching the map for flashier gear, will we be better off? Maybe not. A study conducted in Tokyo found that pedestrians exploring a city with the help of a GPS device took longer to get places, made more errors, stopped more frequently and walked farther than those relying on paper maps. And in England, map sales dropped by 25 percent for at least one major printer between 2005 and 2011. Correlation doesn’t prove causation—but it’s interesting to note that the number of wilderness rescues increased by more than 50 percent over the same time period. This could be partly because paper maps offer those who use them a grasp of geography and an understanding of their environment that most electronic devices don’t. In 2008, the president of the British Cartographic Society, Mary Spence, warned that travelers—especially drivers—reliant on electronic navigation gadgets were focusing mainly on reaching a destination without understanding quite how they got there...“Trying to see and understand the big picture on your phone or laptop usually isn’t possible,” said Harrison...
Using real printed maps also demands—and can help users develop—critical thinking skills.
Well, there's an easy enough fix: Make sure you still have paper maps (or buy them if you no longer have them) and plot most of your trips via map. Use GPS for back-up or for when you go someplace on the fly.
But I think there is a general problem with some things being too automated and thus too easy. It's not that things need to be hard. It's that people lose the ability to do it the hard way should that become necessary.
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Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 04:37 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 04:37 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 04:37 PM (z4WKX)
FIRST!!! I have never been first!
Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 08:37 PM (z4WKX)
Fail.
Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 04:38 PM (X6akg)
In fact, I've long thought that every brigade should have to do an exercise once every two or three years where they get no network connectivity whatsoever. Require them to conduct all operations using maps and radios.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 09, 2012 04:38 PM (HwgHt)
Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 04:40 PM (I2LwF)
Serious question for alexthechick: how many times per week are you propositioned for sex?
Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 08:37 PM (I2LwF)
Wow what was in the last thread I missed. (Also do you mean by the moron horde, becuase that number is really high by itself!)
Posted by: tsrblke at December 09, 2012 04:40 PM (GaqMa)
If you're just walking or driving around town, the penalty for not having a backup in case your GPS dies isn't very high.
If you're hiking remote areas, flying a small plane or boating on open water, you damn well better know two or three ways to navigate. People doing those things who rely solely on GPS or any sort of tech are just disasters in the making.
Posted by: DrewM. at December 09, 2012 04:41 PM (AR+tO)
Posted by: someoldguy at December 09, 2012 04:41 PM (fR7g6)
Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 04:41 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 08:36 PM (kcfmt)
Also I think this has a few reasons behind it.
Firstly, People tend to assume the GPS is all knowing and never errors. This is far from true. It's often delayed or off by some distance or whatnot.
Secondly because of that people shift into autopilot. So they don't look at the upcoming instructions (to keep an eye out for the turn) but just wait until the GPS tells them (and sometimes it's too late by then.)
Once you figure out the limitations of the device, you can use it properly. (People are fairly familar with the limitations for paper maps already.)
Posted by: tsrblke at December 09, 2012 04:43 PM (GaqMa)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2012 04:44 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 09, 2012 04:45 PM (8nysw)
Posted by: Andy at December 09, 2012 04:46 PM (OZPoa)
Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 04:46 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at December 09, 2012 04:46 PM (NNP+l)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 09, 2012 04:48 PM (L3rzp)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2012 08:44 PM (GZitp)"
Any "New" pilot that does not fly with current charts, and the ability to use them, as a back-up for their GPS will probably not become an "Old" pilot...
Posted by: ChrisP at December 09, 2012 04:48 PM (D7DVk)
Pretty soon people won't know how to add, multiply,...etc,........ (calculators)
read a map (GPS)
spell ( spell check)
or carry on a conversation with another person ( texting and other forms of electronic communication )
Yes, like this comment.
Won't be easy to survive when energy costs (necessarily ) go through the roof..........
Posted by: seamrog at December 09, 2012 04:49 PM (GQ7/O)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 09, 2012 08:38 PM (HwgHt)
A couple of years ago my B-i-l told me that his best friend, who does a *huge* amount of off-roading, had been approached by the military (army specifically I believe) to help them set up orienteering classes. I wonder if this means the program never went anywhere. At the very least, it shows that they are aware of being to tech dependent.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 09, 2012 04:49 PM (wbeNt)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 09, 2012 04:49 PM (8nysw)
I still fly using a sectional and I still sail with a chart. GPS is fun to use for logging a shoal or a bar or a swimming pool of nude girls sunbathing.
I would really like to learn celestial navigation..
Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 09, 2012 04:50 PM (IpwkJ)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 04:50 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: skinnydipinacid at December 09, 2012 04:51 PM (WuCLB)
We're the bridge between low-tech and the fully hi-tech world into which the younger generations are being thrust. Some of us don't fully understand the new world, and many of us are forgetting the old. It kinda sux.
But when we die off (assuming the whole thing doesn't collapse, which it might), none of those things we think are important, like reading maps and memorizing phone numbers, will matter anymore.
They just won't. Nor should they.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 04:52 PM (BeSEI)
An interesting factoid -- the most remote location in the lower 48, defined as having to go the most distance in a 360 degree choice to hit any road, is just 20 over miles.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2012 04:52 PM (ccXZP)
Why, what have you heard?
Posted by: Young Japanese males at December 09, 2012 04:52 PM (6TB1Z)
I can look at a map and pretty much get in my head the route I want to take. GPS takes forever and ekes out a section of the route at a time.
I had to take an entire semester of "Maps and Aerial Photos" when I was getting my degree. At the time, geologists were expected to be able to plot outcrops on section maps, as well as strike and slip. When I went to field camp, I had to do it by myself with only a compass and an aerial photo for reference. In Montana wilderness.
So I want maps and I will continue to use them. I am getting my grandson a street map of Indianapolis and am going to teach him how to use it.
By the way, we also have kids who cannot tell time on a dial clock, and many who cannot tie shoes because of stretch laces and velcro.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 04:52 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 09, 2012 04:53 PM (8nysw)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 09, 2012 04:54 PM (CeNUw)
I would be tempted to get a mount for my phone and just use that in the car but the screen is too small for its high resolution. A bigger screen with a lower resolution works better for navigation. The unit I upgraded to recently is more like a mini-tablet with a 7" landscape oriented screen that uses just the right scale for picking up the needed info at a glance. Scaling down the res on a phone wouldn't work because the amount of info offered in one screen would be too low. So the dedicated unit continues to have its value.
I can see a likely scenario in a future car where the dash has a nice big screen that is driven by a phone or other device I plug in, so get the full features of the phone's hardware and software on a display that would be too bulky to carry around much of the time. Most Android phones like mine already have support for driving an external display, so its doable now. I expect there are cars that already support it but it could be a while before I get to replace my aging heap.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 04:54 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 04:54 PM (sdi6R)
the idea is to plan your route ahead of time. PPPPPPP
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 04:54 PM (8sCoq)
I shouldn't even say new pilot, it's a lot of pilots. Navigating via a sectional and pilotage is skill that needs practice, the GPS is eroding that skill.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2012 04:55 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 09, 2012 04:56 PM (53riN)
I've been lost in E. St. Louis. Let me tell you, nothing really helps. Interstate entrance ramps aren't quite where they should be, and gps systems don't know about the detours caused by "construction" zones.
I put the word "construction" in quotes because I don't believe anyone is really constructing anything, nor have they for years.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 04:57 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 04:58 PM (Gk3SS)
Which is why I don't travel very much. Better to stay home where I know where everything is.
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 08:54 PM (sdi6R)
This is me. If I don't know which way I need to go or turn and I guess, I always guess wrong.
My husband, on the other hand, knows exactly which way to go no matter where he is on the effing planet.
Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 04:59 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 09, 2012 04:59 PM (CeNUw)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 09, 2012 05:00 PM (6JMZR)
...just like how the calculator made us less math smart.
FWIW..I really enjoy getting out in the wilderness and getting around with just a compass and a topographical map
( and my iphone...you know...just in case)
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 09, 2012 05:00 PM (Yhu4q)
What are you talking about? This is clearly something that the federal government needs to act on. Expecting "people" to be able to make decisions on their own is... well, it's racist. Why do you hate teh wimminz and minorities?
Posted by: JohnJ at December 09, 2012 05:00 PM (Tt6ky)
Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 05:01 PM (z4WKX)
I spend half my work day on the road.
Ms. Tom Tom definetly beats Mrs. Hagstramm.
She doesn't get upset when I miss the turn, calmly getting me back on track.
And she never has to pee.
Perfect.
Posted by: Lt. Smokey of the LIB Brigade at December 09, 2012 05:01 PM (fl8vK)
Posted by: robtr at December 09, 2012 05:01 PM (rTgOf)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 05:02 PM (sdi6R)
On average, none.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 05:02 PM (Gk3SS)
"I shouldn't even say new pilot, it's a lot of pilots. Navigating via a sectional and pilotage is skill that needs practice, the GPS is eroding that skill."
Working a wind triangle and making accurate calculations enroute, better yet on the fly after being rerouted is definitely good exercise for the noodle.
I showed the kids in class a slide rule and tried to explain how its nothing more than a log scale. Whhhhaaaattt? Kids in aviation!
Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 09, 2012 05:03 PM (eINqu)
Now we know were screwed. The Grim Reaper was a guest at that Christmas party that Obama and PSY attended. You can see him in this photo, right in front of the president, grinning at him with his skeleton face.
I don't know the Grim Reaper was so short. He always looks taller in paintings.
http://tinyurl.com/aoetahl
Posted by: Llarry at December 09, 2012 05:03 PM (nMCEa)
I would be tempted to get a mount for my phone and just use that in the car but the screen is too small for its high resolution. A bigger screen with a lower resolution works better for navigation. The unit I upgraded to recently is more like a mini-tablet with a 7" landscape oriented screen that uses just the right scale for picking up the needed info at a glance. Scaling down the res on a phone wouldn't work because the amount of info offered in one screen would be too low. So the dedicated unit continues to have its value.
I can see a likely scenario in a future car where the dash has a nice big screen that is driven by a phone or other device I plug in, so get the full features of the phone's hardware and software on a display that would be too bulky to carry around much of the time. Most Android phones like mine already have support for driving an external display, so its doable now. I expect there are cars that already support it but it could be a while before I get to replace my aging heap.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 08:54 PM (kcfmt)
Well the Samsung Galaxy S3 seems to have a screen almost that big. I've got a mount for my smartphone and it works pretty well. Placed it right about where the engine temperature gauge is, but that can still be visible, and that puts it in a spot i'm usually glancing at while driving so it works nice for me.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 05:03 PM (GULKT)
I just avoid NJ. I refuse to drive through NJ period. Avoiding it entirely takes 20pt off your BP.
If heading N/S go through Binghampton and Pennsylvania. Its about 50 miles longer, but $0.00 in tolls and often quicker on the clock. Getting through Harrisburg, even during the height of rush hour, is only a 1/2 hour proposition.
I think I66 out of Front Royal pops you onto I95 about 10 miles south of D.C.
Going that inland route, you can drive from the Canadian border down to Key West without paying a dime in tolls
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 05:04 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 09, 2012 05:04 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 05:04 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:04 PM (2RJQo)
Careful on rte 17 near Deposit...you don't want to get a speeding ticket.
Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2012 05:05 PM (6asKn)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 05:05 PM (8sCoq)
I like the GPS for alerting me to my exits on extended trips. Otherwise, i pour over a map prior to and during a trip. There are 9 maps in my office at this moment: 7 1/2 topos, 1:100k maritine charts, and a 1:1million road map. I like maps. Have over 100 topos of places i have hiked in my youth. When the EMP hits, you're gonna want a map or two.
On a visit to see my uncle in the hospital in Oak Lawn, IL, i took a wrong exit and ended up on Martin Luther King Drive. WAR ZONE. burned out cars on the streets....
Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 09, 2012 05:06 PM (hq+RW)
Rattlesnakes weren't hard to find though.
Of course those were in the pre (historic) laser range finder days too.
......good times (except for Carter)
Posted by: ontherocks at December 09, 2012 05:06 PM (aZ6ew)
======
When my daughter was playing travel basketball, I couldn't avoid it. Many of the tournaments were IN NJ.
Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 05:06 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 05:07 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2012 05:08 PM (jucos)
I completely disagree.
Calculators aren't very useful if you don't understand the task you're asking it to perform. This is why teachers don't object to them in the upper grades. It only speeds up the process of dealing with complex problems. It isn't a substitute for being able to work the smaller problems within.
Spell check has made me a better speller. Having the reinforcement prevents me from retaining a mistake that becomes an embarrassment and with repetition I eventually just write it correctly on my own.
Before the BBS scene and later the internet, my written conversation skills were severely underdeveloped. There was no basis for practice as I had little use for written correspondence. If anything, the internet has brought about a renaissance of written communication that was falling by the wayside in an era dominated by teenage telephone exchanges consisting of little more than grunts.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 05:08 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 05:08 PM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 05:09 PM (z4WKX)
When I was a kid I always marveled at how my dad knew where the fuck he was going hundreds of miles from our home. It's called memory.
The GPS stops kids from remembering how they got there. They got there by a GPS, they paid no attention to how or where they were, they turned when the GPS told them. Try to look up the entire route on a GPS, not much help, look at a map.
I have made my sons stop using them.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 05:09 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 05:09 PM (GEICT)
Seriously, what the heck is up with Ghost Rider being there??
I'm not even going to comment on the "kill Americans" singer shaking hands with the Scoamf. Lots of Koreans hate America. We only have one President however, who also hates America.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 05:09 PM (BeSEI)
Every lost hunter/hiker I find these days has a GPS unit and/or a Smartphone.
Never a compass, though.
Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2012 05:09 PM (6asKn)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:02 PM (Gk3SS)
How YOU doin'?
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 05:09 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Stephen Intern Blair at December 09, 2012 05:10 PM (CeNUw)
About ten years ago, I took a trip to Ireland.
Upon arriving, I bought quite few maps and figured out how to get Point A to Point B and B.
Even while sitting in the wrong seat of the car and driving on the wrong side of the road, I was confident because I had done a lot of pre-planning.
I wasn't prepared for the "round-abouts" or the experience of backing up the car, while sitting "shotgun", with a nervous wife blathering the whole while.
Yes we made it back alive and had a grand time.
It was all about the planning and adapting, GPS wasn't available.
Posted by: seamrog at December 09, 2012 05:10 PM (GQ7/O)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 05:10 PM (Y5I9o)
What makes you think I consider it to be a problem? I don't worry about disease or pregnancy or accidentally causing someone to undergo horrific emotional scarring. It's great!
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 05:11 PM (Gk3SS)
Even if the collapse craters GPS service, there are multi-system units that work with the Russian GLONASS system too.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 05:12 PM (2RJQo)
That's correct in theory, but you clearly have not been in public schools lately. I have seen rooms full of high school students who are typing away on calculators and getting totally wrong answers because they have no clue about how to manage order of operations and why it's done that way.
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 09:10 PM (Y5I9o)
But isn't that exactly his point? If you don't know what you are doing, calculator is useless.
Posted by: KG at December 09, 2012 05:13 PM (IPz9m)
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 09, 2012 05:13 PM (53riN)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 05:13 PM (Sz+px)
PRAY GOD!
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 05:14 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2012 05:14 PM (jucos)
>>Inventions. Making things easier for the last 40,000 years.
Heh! True.
I was out at my little slice of heaven know as Harbor Freight tools today when I came across magnesium striking blocks they had on sale for $2.00 a pop.
I bought a dozen.
They'll make life easier when Ogabegeddon hits
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 09, 2012 05:14 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 05:15 PM (GEICT)
>>>What makes you think I consider it to be a problem?... It's great!
Underneath that hard shell, I bet there's a soft chewey nougat.
Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2012 05:15 PM (6asKn)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 05:15 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 05:15 PM (Sz+px)
I didn't even think of that! I thought surely the Grim reaper was an invited guest, the ultimate Obama middle finger raised to us, but maybe you're right.
Maybe he was there in his official capacity and was invisible to everyone at the party.
Posted by: Llarry at December 09, 2012 05:16 PM (nMCEa)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 05:16 PM (Y5I9o)
30 years ago I made a wrong turn somewhere and wound up in Harlem at about 127th street around 3am in the morning. I ignored all the stop lights and stop signs and never slowed down once I realized where I was.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 05:16 PM (2RJQo)
Travelling through KY once, my GPS had me take a route through Hazard KY.
...ever been through Hazard KY? The name's a clue
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 09, 2012 05:16 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 05:18 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 09, 2012 05:18 PM (iuY0Y)
On average, none."
That could be up to once every two weeks - rounds down to 0.
Posted by: FOAF at December 09, 2012 05:19 PM (Kz60W)
Problem with seeing guy = getting knocked up. Problem with seeing girl = horrific emotional scarring. Problem with not seeing either = stupid having to find new ways into the power plant.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 05:20 PM (Gk3SS)
This is Alaska, mind you, which really should not rely on GPS info from the Lower 48, because they just don't get it.
Posted by: tcn at December 09, 2012 05:20 PM (VLG62)
I have a gps for hunting, which has saved me a few times in snowstorm but also been terribly off. No excuse for not having a compass and knowing which direction is north, which direction you hiked and which direction to get you back.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2012 05:20 PM (n/ubI)
Posted by: Robert at December 09, 2012 05:20 PM (LUnTP)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2012 05:20 PM (jucos)
30 years ago I made a wrong turn somewhere and wound up in Harlem at about 127th street around 3am in the morning. I ignored all the stop lights and stop signs and never slowed down once I realized where I was.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:16 PM (2RJQo)
My bro-in-law drives trucks and has run routes to NYC several times. He has said that at night in one area he had a cop behind that contacted him through the CB and told him to just go through all the red lights and stop signs in the area and he'd be right behind him.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 05:20 PM (GULKT)
Not relying on tech run by the US government may prove to be prescient in a few years.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 05:21 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: harleycowboy at December 09, 2012 05:22 PM (wSTfB)
Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 05:22 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 05:22 PM (Sz+px)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:15 PM (GEICT)
You must have missed her inferences of being the meat in between a Dwayne Johnson/Kate Upton sandwich.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 05:23 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 05:23 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2012 05:23 PM (6asKn)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 05:24 PM (8sCoq)
Obviously yes if one thinks it is dumb to obey the commands of an automatron vs. figuring shiite out for oneself.
Posted by: Obamao at December 09, 2012 05:24 PM (JtyGg)
Posted by: Robert at December 09, 2012 05:25 PM (LUnTP)
Don't really need them anymore, just your computer and printer. That's what Yahoo or Google maps are for.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2012 05:26 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 05:26 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 05:26 PM (Sz+px)
79Every lost hunter/hiker I find these days has a GPS unitand/or a Smartphone.
Never a compass, though.
Oh no! You aint' a gettin' shit out of me!
Posted by: Hollis Wood at December 09, 2012 05:27 PM (hq+RW)
Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 05:27 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 05:29 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 05:29 PM (GEICT)
how about that modified Lambeau Leap?
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 05:29 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:29 PM (8sCoq)
LOL! He tried his bestest....they fans tried to help but that was a bridge too far for them.
Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 05:32 PM (X6akg)
I thought Batman's flying whatzit was a little over the top, but I did like how they handled the Catwoman issue
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 05:32 PM (8sCoq)
When I went to Tanzania getting maps was harder. Found old British military maps, big 2x3 ft. They had everything on them. Left one with our guide, he had no idea where shit was, except the route he knew. He studied that map for days.
I still have some. Africa is big as shit. I mean BIG.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 05:33 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Robert at December 09, 2012 05:34 PM (LUnTP)
That isn't the fault of the calculators. It is the failure of the teachers or of the student.
The calculator doesn't understand much of anything. It can only execute instructions input by a human and be useful by doing much, much faster than the human. But the human needs to understand much tog et any value from the calculator.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 05:34 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 05:35 PM (Sz+px)
Posted by: No Guy Anywhere at December 09, 2012 05:35 PM (85EaA)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 05:36 PM (yiIja)
I've seen the first two and I can tell you exactly why I have negative interest in the third. The Batvoice that Bale uses in TDK makes me laugh and laugh and laugh every single time he opens his mouth. Hell, just hearing it in the commercials makes me snicker. I simply cannot get past it.
Also, fuck you Gary Oldman. Commissioner Gordon is not supposed to be hotass. Stupid Gary Oldman in that stupid tactical gear being all stupid hot.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 05:37 PM (Gk3SS)
Oh no! You aint' a gettin' shit out of me!
Posted by: Hollis Wood at December 09, 2012 09:27 PM (hq+RW)
I know that...what is that from?
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 05:37 PM (85EaA)
Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 05:37 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 09:33 PM (wR+pz)
You are absolutely right. Flight from Ghana to Johannesburg is 7 hours!
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 05:39 PM (GoIUi)
Do that in parts of Miami, and you won't be driving out. A common ploy there is to direct tourists into Liberty City where they're jacked up by the locals.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 05:39 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: CDR M at December 09, 2012 05:40 PM (dKV5k)
I use a hand-held GPS device for off trail hiking. It permits me to venture further afield without paying attention to where I am wandering. I could get back without using it, but it would involve extended road walks (which I have done).
As someone said, use the tools intelligently.
Posted by: Joe Biden at December 09, 2012 05:40 PM (z9HTb)
Thanks, great song!
Kris is on trial, but just wait! The "Miracle" is going to happen!!
Ho ho fucking ho! Chanel AMC!
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 05:40 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 09, 2012 05:40 PM (x8wJs)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 05:41 PM (wR+pz)
So much is on a map other than roads.
And, graphical representations intrigue me, and please me.
Google Earth must be like a porn website for you
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 05:41 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 05:41 PM (Y5I9o)
Really - why is "MLK Blvd" always in the shittiest part of town?
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 05:42 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 05:42 PM (Sz+px)
If they have a GPS device or smartphone, they have a compass. Whether they have the brains to utilize the function is another question. I'd be reluctant to place much faith in such an item if I didn't have any means to recharge it, like a little crank generator or small solar panel. Preferably a flashlight with both. Just because you don't intend to be out longer than the battery should last doesn't mean you shouldn't have some insurance.
What gets me is when hikers with long experience get lost and panic instead of following a few simple rules. Like following flowing water if you come across any, because it tends to lead to people making use of it. And if nothing else, you have water. It may be nasty water but the consequences of dehydration are quicker than most threats from the water.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 05:43 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Robert at December 09, 2012 05:43 PM (LUnTP)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:41 PM (8sCoq)
True dat.
I wish I could have it printed and on demand.
Why does fucking apple allow google earth, but not google maps?
Same shit. Fuck Apple.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 05:43 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 05:44 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: TeddyK wet fat lost&dead at December 09, 2012 05:44 PM (E16uG)
When I watched The Blair Witch Project, I kept screaming at them "Follow the fucking stream you fucking idiots, you deserve to be strung up by your entrails!"
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 05:44 PM (Gk3SS)
Depends on the application. A GPS is great for finding a small lake in a mountainous forest. That's after you get the coordinates off a map, heh.
Finding something out in the boonies? I'm an ex-surveyor, give me the map, sit down, shut up and hold on.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 05:44 PM (1Y+hH)
I would never go out without my compass. Or my sock puppet.
Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 05:44 PM (z9HTb)
Because the gesture is always made towards a particular audience. It was already the worst part of town. Renaming it to MLK is just a way for Maxine Waters types to suck up to their constituents at no real cost to themselves.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 05:45 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 05:45 PM (GEICT)
Evenin' horde- Late to the party, and then had to go read todays Gun Thread, and then catch up here. I only use the GPS on the smart phone if I have to. Paper maps and Bing directions. Whoo-hoo, Panthers "whipped" the Falcons today, and now snow game.
Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 09, 2012 05:45 PM (mkb9H)
Posted by: Justamom at December 09, 2012 05:45 PM (Sptt8)
What a clown that guy is ;-)
Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 05:46 PM (z9HTb)
Simple. Mapping apps are huge advertising portals. Google makes serious coin off Google Maps and Apple wanted to have it for themselves on their device.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 05:46 PM (kcfmt)
'The Blair Witch Project' - the first horror movie I laughed the whole time at. Well don't consider 'The Abominable Dr. Phibes' as true horror, more black comedy especially when they had to unscrew that guy after being impaled by a unicorn.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 05:47 PM (Sz+px)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 05:47 PM (sdi6R)
Apple isn't Burger King. You can't have it your way.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 05:47 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 09, 2012 05:47 PM (6JMZR)
F-I-L is a retired CG officer. I really should ask him to teach me.
Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 05:47 PM (z9HTb)
Here's a fun quiz to see if you have skill set to survive getting lost in wilderness
http://tinyurl.com/co7bthp
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 09, 2012 05:47 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: Jean at December 09, 2012 05:48 PM (RURIy)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 05:48 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 05:49 PM (LpQbZ)
For that economic map: China's November exports up 2.9%, well below 9.6% Dow Jones survey forecast. - @MarketWatch
Now that's a miss...
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 05:49 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 05:50 PM (sD0+h)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 05:50 PM (Sz+px)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 05:51 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 05:51 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 05:52 PM (GEICT)
141 epobirs 9:34pm
My original point (#24) was that if you don't know the basics of arithmatic, a calculator will not teach you.
You're "coat-tailing" technology.
Your point of speeding up the process is correct only if the person using the calculator understands the basics of why the answer is what it is and why that's so.
A kid working a McDonald's register may think it's some magical process. There is something wrong with that train of thought.
Technology is a great thing if you have a rough understanding of how it works.
Posted by: seamrog at December 09, 2012 05:52 PM (GQ7/O)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 05:52 PM (Sz+px)
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at December 09, 2012 05:52 PM (/PJ/D)
Snow is best viewed on postcards.
Or in glass globes.
Two winters before I moved down here, we had a winter storm up in Huntsville. Four inches of snow followed by three inches of ice. It was a once in a lifetime thing for that part of the country. Lost power for a week while everyone around us had it. State troopers came and took the Daughter of Satan to work (she was a nurse, didn't see her for a week, so there's that), all the fish in the aquarium died. I put all the stuff from the refrigerator in a cooler and set it outside on the back porch. BBoy Squared was out of school all that week too.
It was along that time that palm trees started looking real good to me. That, plus you don't have to shovel heat.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 05:53 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 05:53 PM (sdi6R)
That's why armies have NCOs.
They were tits up when the batteries on the GPS wore out.
It amuses me how much time I spend on charging batteries when I getting ready to 'trek through the wilderness'.
Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 05:53 PM (z9HTb)
This creates a scenario the exact opposite of what military planner had worried about. That over-dependence on GPS would lead to a generation of pilots and navigators who'd be lost if the satellite constellation were lost as part of a military action. Instead, GPS is the only thing that still works because the stars have gone missing.
Good book before he became so cosmic as to be unreadable.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 05:54 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 05:54 PM (sD0+h)
Ok, I just tried to post another improper and inept moron compliment/proposition to the lovely and sexy Alexthechick and a message popped up saying “look you annoying little fuckwad reject; stop posting like that or I will kill you.” (see below)
“Your message has been rejected because long strings of unbroken text are very annoying. Use the space bar or tinyurl.com as appropriate.”
My post in Word looks all groovy and shit. What gives? When I post it looks like my cats hairball.
Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 05:54 PM (t2xha)
Natille Wood at 12 is still a hot thing!
Still on AMC, the original bitch slap movie!
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 05:55 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 05:55 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 05:56 PM (sD0+h)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 09, 2012 05:57 PM (ifYRI)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 05:57 PM (Sz+px)
The icon driven registers at fast food joints are not intended for high school graduates. They're aimed at Latino immigrants who may have had no schooling to speak of at all and are functionally illiterate in their native tongue.
Calculators do not produce crippled students. Crappy schools produce crippled students.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 05:57 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 05:58 PM (sD0+h)
A great story by Asaac Asimov: "The Feeling of Power"
"Yes, Programmer," said Aub, ducking his head. He fished a small pad out of one shirt pocket and an artist's hairline stylus out of the other. His forehead corrugated as he made painstaking marks on the paper.
General Weider interrupted him sharply. "Let's see that."
Aub passed his the paper and Weider said, "Well, it looks like the figure seventeen."
Congressman Brant nodded and said, "So it does, but I think I could make a passable seventeen myself, even without practice."
"If you will let Aub continue, gentlemen," said Shuman without heat.
Aub continued, his hand trembling a little. Finally he said in a low voice, "The answer is three hundred and ninety-one."
Congressman Brant took out his computer a second time and flicked it, "By Godfrey, so it is. How did he guess?"
"No guess, Congressman," said Shuman. "He computed that result. He did it on this sheet of paper."
"Humbug," said the general impatiently. "A computer is one thing and marks on paper are another."
Posted by: Pentangle at December 09, 2012 05:58 PM (udOjI)
I do not understand it.
If you're able to copy and paste from Word into this comment box, why can't you just type in the comment box?
Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 05:58 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: lions at December 09, 2012 05:58 PM (MTPLw)
I was taught to think in terms of North-South-East-West as a little kid.
I hate to hear people give directions with "turn left" or "turn right", instead of using N-S-E-W.
Even though I was the only girl in the family, my Dad would always give me the map and tell him which way to turn, on our family road trips.
[My brothers were too busy hitting each other and having farting contests.]
I taught my own kids to think in terms of N-S-E-W too...and they have never had any trouble with getting lost.
I'm also one of those map-geeks who loves to look at maps.
Posted by: wheatie at December 09, 2012 05:58 PM (CM59X)
Posted by: Jose/ningrim at December 09, 2012 05:59 PM (srIqv)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 09, 2012 05:59 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 05:59 PM (GEICT)
I have credit cards older than that.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 05:59 PM (wR+pz)
I just remembered that my dad had one of those dashboard mounted compasses that floated in water.
...but he got lost all the damn time. The ensuing fights between him and my Mom are hilarious in retrospect
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 09, 2012 05:59 PM (Yhu4q)
Sean and BCochran, are you two going to re-enact West Side Story or something? Post video if so.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 05:59 PM (Sz+px)
It bears repeating. We got to the moon with slide rules.
And using that English system of measurement. Take that, you metric-loving Euroweenies.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 05:59 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: Pentangle at December 09, 2012 05:59 PM (udOjI)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at December 09, 2012 05:59 PM (B9aMH)
Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 06:00 PM (t2xha)
Posted by: Typical Obama Voter at December 09, 2012 06:01 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Pentangle at December 09, 2012 09:59 PM (udOjI)
You only go into the barrel if you actually break the blog.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 06:01 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 06:01 PM (sD0+h)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 06:01 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Word at December 09, 2012 06:01 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 06:02 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 06:03 PM (sD0+h)
Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 10:00 PM (t2xha)
No one's toolbox is working. It was disabled about a year ago because some stupid troll broke the blog.
If you want your post to look pretty, use [ ] and [ /] insert, i for italics, b for bold, s for strikethrough and u for underline in the brackets and after the slash in the last bracket.
i.e., [ i ] and [ /i]
I put in extra spaces to show you....remove those to use it.
Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 06:03 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 06:03 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 06:03 PM (t2xha)
Posted by: Whatev at December 09, 2012 06:03 PM (2t6Gz)
We got to the Moon with intelligent people exploiting the best tools they had available.
If you went to NASA in 1967 with a package consisting of a Commodore 64 with basic peripherals and priced it at $25,000 each (in 1967 dollars, mind you), NASA would soon be handing you a few million bucks.
Smart people use tools well and recognize something useful when they see it.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 06:04 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 09, 2012 06:04 PM (2dvuN)
BCochran, so your voice is an area denial weapon. The deuce you say.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 06:04 PM (Sz+px)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2012 06:04 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 09, 2012 06:04 PM (mkb9H)
Posted by: Robert at December 09, 2012 09:34 PM (LUnTP)
Of course if they intend to tie it into their planned Justice League movie, then Warner Bros really is fucking clueless.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 06:04 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 09, 2012 06:05 PM (2dvuN)
Thank you, Alexthechick, I'm sure that's next on my 'how to get the kind of attention you don't want' agenda. That and falling down the escalator at the mall, taking out shoppers like nine pins.
Posted by: Pentangle at December 09, 2012 06:05 PM (udOjI)
The machines do so much for us.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 09, 2012 06:05 PM (xjpRj)
I've seen the first two and I can tell you exactly why I have negative interest in the third. The Batvoice that Bale uses in TDK makes me laugh and laugh and laugh every single time he opens his mouth. Hell, just hearing it in the commercials makes me snicker. I simply cannot get past it.
They actually did tone it down for the third one compared to the second. Still a bit silly though. They should have just let Bale lower it naturally like he did in Batman Begins instead of doing it through digital sound editing like in The Dark Knight.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 06:06 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 06:07 PM (t2xha)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 06:07 PM (sD0+h)
I called to get a car recently, and the guy asked me if I was 25. I told him I wasn't sure, but my card was.
He was a little embarrassed.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 06:08 PM (wR+pz)
*eyebrow arch*
And why should you be rewarded?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 06:08 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 06:08 PM (I2LwF)
Then that double thunk when you hit a small animal...or was it? Cause you weren't looking. Oh well. I'm sure everything will be OK.
Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 09, 2012 06:08 PM (iuY0Y)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 09, 2012 06:09 PM (xensB)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 06:09 PM (Sz+px)
Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 06:09 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 06:09 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 09, 2012 06:10 PM (2dvuN)
Posted by: Fabio Escobar at December 09, 2012 06:10 PM (tG9V9)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 06:10 PM (Sz+px)
Posted by: Tobacco Road, is being paved with someone else's money at December 09, 2012 06:11 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 06:12 PM (S+/pH)
WTF is this fucking shit that keeps happening to my house!!!
This is NOTHING. You stumble and lose your balance, falling into the item to 'steady yourself', destroying it completely.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 06:12 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at December 09, 2012 06:12 PM (B9aMH)
Posted by: WOPR at December 09, 2012 06:12 PM (sD0+h)
Posted by: Skokumchuk at December 09, 2012 06:13 PM (0Db2g)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 06:14 PM (Sz+px)
And why should you be rewarded? Posted by: alexthechick -
Ok dear Alex, I had a feeling you'd tell me to "go flog myself" in your own unique way..
....just a thought..lol.
Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 06:14 PM (t2xha)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 06:14 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 06:14 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 06:14 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 09, 2012 06:14 PM (2dvuN)
Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 06:16 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 06:16 PM (Sz+px)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 06:16 PM (sD0+h)
I remember my father taught me that. Something he had read.
Following a brook downhill sucks. It can be slow going. Raparian (streamside) woods cans be extremely scrappy. Try follow a ridge that is about 50' higher than the brook, if you can.
Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 06:16 PM (z9HTb)
Adam Levine, is that you?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 06:17 PM (Gk3SS)
The Boy Scouts had an epic wresting match over this for over a decade, and seem to have worked a miracle solution if it takes. The Handbook is unchanged: as Scouts advance, they still have to learn rudimentary basics of compass land navigation. But the new Search and Rescue merit badge requires UTM/GPS integration.
Posted by: comatus at December 09, 2012 06:18 PM (qaVK+)
Posted by: Tobacco Road, is being paved with someone else's money at December 09, 2012 10:11 PM (4Mv1T)
Exactly. Nowdays, "Geolocation" is crap. Those folks should try finding a marked well on a topo map after being carted within five miles, blinfolded, and given map & compass only. It's easy as cake, once you bother to learn.
Posted by: K~Bob at December 09, 2012 06:19 PM (O6t4T)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:09 PM (Sz+px)
You might want to see a plastic surgeon about your ears.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 06:19 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 06:19 PM (Sz+px)
Posted by: K~Bob at December 09, 2012 06:20 PM (O6t4T)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 06:20 PM (sD0+h)
Possible. I can do it, sometimes. Done it in the dark after the spruce trees ripped my GPS right off the lanyard.
Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 06:20 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 09, 2012 06:20 PM (mkb9H)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 09, 2012 06:21 PM (o/7Bl)
Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 06:21 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 06:21 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 06:23 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 06:23 PM (Sz+px)
I still carry a compass in my land cruiser. Amazing how the new scouts are amazed at learning a compass and direct reckoning.
Scouts teach shit that last for a life time
Scouts learn it all. Eagle Scout here, both son too.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 06:23 PM (wR+pz)
#213 epobirs
"icon driven registers are.........intended for those who are not literate in their native tongue "
Wow I could work for NBC, parsing stuff.
Don't know where you're from but it ain't just Latino illegals workin' at maccy D's.
My point was reliance on technology can be scarey if you have no idea of how or why it works.
You win. Adios.
Posted by: seamrog at December 09, 2012 06:23 PM (GQ7/O)
come across cats having sex.
I came across 2 homeless crackheads having sex one time
> I got way carried away on the ONT Friday night, and stayed up way to late imbibing, and now I am the owner of a new toilet seat, after I broke the plastic hinges off the old.
that must have been one bowl-stainin', gruntin' strainin', tissue-tearin' cursin' swearin' experience
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 06:24 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 06:24 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 06:25 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 06:25 PM (Sz+px)
Posted by: Tobacco Road, is being paved with someone else's money at December 09, 2012 06:26 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 06:26 PM (b9Yrr)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 06:27 PM (b9Yrr)
Posted by: sTevo at December 09, 2012 06:28 PM (xtLs1)
Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 06:30 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 06:31 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 06:31 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Tobacco Road, is being paved with someone else's money at December 09, 2012 10:26 PM (4Mv1T)
I found miles to be easier. Paces are a pain in the ass to count. With miles/meters whatever, you forget actual distance, other than as an estimate, and instead compare landmarks and elevation rise/fall to the map. Specific distance can be used when necessary, but it rarely is.
Unless calling in an airstrike.
Posted by: K~Bob at December 09, 2012 06:32 PM (O6t4T)
Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 06:32 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: sTevo at December 09, 2012 06:33 PM (xtLs1)
Come to Los Angeles sometime and try to find a high school graduate below the age of 65 working the register at a McDonalds. If you get lucky and find one you can be assured that person will soon move on or be in management.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 06:37 PM (kcfmt)
325 epobirs
Come to Chicago and visit a Mc Donald's.
Lot of H.S Grads working. Try to find a few that are "fluent in their native language" and you can be assured that person will soon move on to EBT or be incarcerated.
We live in different worlds.
Are you by chance an educator ?
Posted by: seamrog at December 09, 2012 06:45 PM (GQ7/O)
It may be a bit of an OCD thing but I always keep a running tally in my head while grocery shopping, including coupons and promotional discounts that kick in when you cross a certain threshold.
I've freaked out a few checkers by offering a guess that was exactly right or within pennies before they hit the total key. It helps keep the mind exercised.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 06:47 PM (kcfmt)
Not only no but hell no. If I took up teaching I'd probably get the child version of me and soon being doing time on a homicide charge.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 06:50 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: KZnextzone now with more Aloha at December 09, 2012 06:53 PM (s9BdN)
328 epobirs
No insult intended.
I offer you a Laurel, and a Hardy handshake, from the South Side of Chicago.
Send some of of your warm weather our way.
Posted by: seamrog at December 09, 2012 06:53 PM (GQ7/O)
Posted by: KZnextzone now with more Aloha at December 09, 2012 06:55 PM (s9BdN)
Yeah, he's starring in the movie version of a pretty good Japanese novel called 'All You Need Is Kill.' It's going to suck horribly for anyone who knows the book.
The book is essentially Groundhog Day amid an alien invasion. The protagonist is a Japanese man in his early twenties doing combat in full powered armor.
The movie is Cruise as a plainly 40-something Lt. Col. who wears a light exo-skeleton. Hollywood hates powered armor that makes everyone look the same and covers up the stars' faces. The get-up Cruise wears would give him a life expectancy of seconds in the combat environment of the book. This is similar to the EVA suits with interior helmet lights shining in the actors' faces to make them recognizable to the audience but blinding the wearer.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 06:57 PM (kcfmt)
Eliminate the distractions of modern life and you'd be pleasantly surprised by how much you could memorize.
It was once common for scholars to be able to recite major portions of the Bible and other books from memory. (A lot of non-Arabs in places like Afghanistan learn to read Arabic for the sole purpose of studying and memorizing the Koran today.) But for them the Bible wasn't just a book, it was THE book. The very word means book etymologically and comes from the word for paper or scroll. In ancient time there were two uses for paper: business and government documents, and the one and only book.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 07:03 PM (kcfmt)
Tests on the mapping system by police confirm the mapping systems lists Mildura in the middle of the Murray Sunset National Park, approximately 70km away from the actual location of Mildura.
Police are extremely concerned as there is no water supply within the Park and temperatures can reach as high as 46 degrees, making this a potentially life threatening issue.
Some of the motorists located by police have been stranded for up to 24 hours without food or water and have walked long distances through dangerous terrain to get phone reception.
No such problems with my Garmin, although it did once send me to a KFC location that had closed nearly a decade earlier. It was a ghost KFC.
Posted by: TBlair at December 09, 2012 08:00 PM (h6XiD)
Posted by: chefwes at December 09, 2012 08:08 PM (nsB4u)
It isn't (at least IMO) "doing it the hard way" so much as knowing HOW to DO it--what will all the gadgeteers do when the power goes out for good (as some hope it will, under their "greater good" policy manipulation)?
I sometimes think that the relentless push for gadgetiziation is the built-in winnowing process that will bring the population down to the "earth's carrying capacity". It is the driver in schools, in many jobs, and definitely in social interaction. It won the election.
And it's making us dumber as a species (again, IMO), which may be the point (when I'm in tinfoil hat mode 
)
Posted by: barbarausa at December 09, 2012 08:15 PM (WWeoI)
http://www.gregorys-online.com/index_html.html
Got around fine using just that.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 09, 2012 11:38 PM (fJUCF)
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Posted by: ashowalt at December 10, 2012 07:47 AM (/Fn6Z)
I have an old Garmin eMap that I bring along on occasion when I head out to less-familar areas either in my truck on on my motorcycle. It has no voice instructions, and that's just fine. There's just a line that stretches from the destination to the current position and as the line straightens up or flattens out, I make the requisite turns.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 10, 2012 11:07 AM (vd7A8)
Good luck with that. Shrink it down to where a large section of town can be fitted on a page and they delete many of the street names, or makes them too small to read.
Traditional maps are far superior to GPS for most purposes. A cell phone or small GPS device doesn't show enough area to be of much use. And the trouble is, since fewer people are buying paper maps, fewer maps are available for purchase.
Posted by: Sheldon's Brain at December 10, 2012 12:26 PM (VHfD4)
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