August 18, 2012
— Open Blogger I heard about this from one of my Facebook friends If anyone wants to read about some musicians who are actually "raging against the machine", read about these young ladies. They are in prison for their music and their actions. Personally, I'm not sure that staging an obscenity-laced flash mob performance inside an Orthodox church is the best way to oppose autocrat Vladimir Putin, but I'd just like to point out an article about artists who are truly opposing the system within which they live. And they've paid a price for it -- they have been imprisoned for their raging - as opposed to douchebag poseurs such as Tom Morello, who sits on his fat, has-been ass all day and talks smack about shit he knows nothing about, at no personal cost to himself.
Also, what moron would not be immediately interested a band called Pussy Riot?
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Posted by: Eleanor's Clit at August 18, 2012 10:03 AM (msPO3)
Posted by: Drew in MO at August 18, 2012 10:03 AM (MkgGw)
Posted by: The Guy Who Says 'COME WID IT NOW', fka Navin R Johnson at August 18, 2012 10:06 AM (HpT9p)
Posted by: CsmBigBird at August 18, 2012 10:07 AM (tRJ+w)
Posted by: Tom Morello at August 18, 2012 10:08 AM (RuVpG)
SFW but so effing dumb nonetheless
http://t.co/uXdypOMD
Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 18, 2012 10:09 AM (SkNqO)
Posted by: Elizabethe from elsewhere at August 18, 2012 10:10 AM (pUQjN)
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at August 18, 2012 10:14 AM (nw0Vt)
Posted by: mallfly at August 18, 2012 10:14 AM (bJm7W)
Wonder how many of them would be willing to get tossed in jail for doing the crap they do?
Posted by: Drumwaster at August 18, 2012 10:15 AM (Nxs01)
That doesn't bother me nearly as much as President Obama saying this was "disproportionate."
So just how much punishment for criticizing a political leader be proportionate?
http://tinyurl.com/945b228
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 10:19 AM (r4wIV)
Seems like a fine and community service (picking up roadkill in baggies not non-sensing some poor guy) sort of offense. Maybe 30 days for repeat offenses.
Posted by: DaveA at August 18, 2012 10:21 AM (DVJEd)
Posted by: Hurr Durr at August 18, 2012 10:21 AM (QTVh2)
Hooliganism.
That's what they went to jail for. What a nice catch-all term for anything that is not approved of by the state.
Right out of the USSR days. A brighter future for all.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at August 18, 2012 10:21 AM (sJTmU)
It's spectacularly stupid to alienate the religious who otherwise might have supported the anti-Putin message.
These chicks are not the bright bulbs of freedom you are looking for.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 18, 2012 10:21 AM (Q/1Jp)
>>Just finished a FB dialogue with a lib who is all nervous about the PA voter ID law and how she thinks she is going to be rejected because her license has her maiden name
How mean of you to think she could and should get that taken care of in the next 3 months.
Posted by: Mama AJ at August 18, 2012 10:23 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: Kevin at August 18, 2012 10:26 AM (ufexm)
Glenn Reynolds has been encouraging people to write about how Putin is afraid of girls.
He's also using the #PutinPussy tag on teh Twitter.
Posted by: Mama AJ at August 18, 2012 10:26 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: DaveA at August 18, 2012 10:26 AM (DVJEd)
You know, I don't find myself wanting to stick up for these punk rock chicks. I can't build up any outrage that they were jailed for their actions because I don't find what they did brave, I just find it obnoxious.
Plus, if Paul McCartney and Madonna are on their side, it kind of automatically makes me feel the exact opposite.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 18, 2012 10:27 AM (RZ8pf)
Pity, but there's no way to speak truth to power without losing your job. Or at least 98% of your audience.
Posted by: The Dixie Chicks, Coming Soon to a Supermarket Opening Near You at August 18, 2012 10:27 AM (zMouK)
Also, what moron would not be immediately interested a band called Pussy Riot?
I plan on seeing every show of their Brazilian Tour!
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2012 10:28 AM (qX/jA)
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Ten years in the gulags?
Posted by: Josef Stalin at August 18, 2012 10:28 AM (1c58W)
No, but my point was that they're actually paying personal consequences for raging against the (Russian) machine.
Shitbird lefties here in the USA love to talk about "speaking truth to power". But none of them have ever actually done it.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 18, 2012 10:29 AM (+ZH9R)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 18, 2012 10:30 AM (Aykm9)
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AIUI, Pussy Riot's protest was over the close ties between Putin and the church. I.e., the lack of support from the church for anti-Putin messages.
Posted by: Anachronda at August 18, 2012 10:30 AM (1c58W)
Posted by: Code Pink at August 18, 2012 10:30 AM (HiKk0)
Plus, if Paul McCartney and Madonna are on their side, it kind of automatically makes me feel the exact opposite.
Anybody heard Lee Greenwood's position on this?
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at August 18, 2012 10:30 AM (2Oas0)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2012 10:31 AM (2pG7H)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 18, 2012 10:32 AM (9TTOe)
I want to point out that this hashtag can be read in more than one way.
Alright, who stole my flute?
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2012 10:33 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 10:33 AM (r4wIV)
Putin is a afraid of Pussy Riot - and their speech in the same way the American Left are afraid of the Koch brothers. Free speech only belongs to leftists, government unions and wealthy hollywad types.
Posted by: Fresh at August 18, 2012 10:33 AM (O7ksG)
Your point, OregonMuse, about "speaking truth to power" in a way that has real consequences is indeed valid. But, at the same time, this group must now take the consequences. I read an article about it and the maximum sentence is 7 years for the crime, the prosecutors wanted 3 years, the judge gave them 2 years. The women giggled as they were sentenced. They still aren't taking their actions seriously. I see them as highly aggressive OWS types frankly.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 18, 2012 10:34 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 18, 2012 10:34 AM (Aykm9)
Yes, I've read that too but "The religious" != the RO Church.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 18, 2012 10:34 AM (Q/1Jp)
Oh the horror....
Told her she should comply with the law. She's a lawyer.
Definitely finding out how to become a poll watcher.
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at August 18, 2012 02:14 PM (nw0Vt)
Was it hear that I heard how the lawyers for a VoterID case are all pissed off because their plaintiff in the case went out and got a state issued ID for voting?
Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2012 10:35 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: A. Solzhenitsyn at August 18, 2012 10:35 AM (2pG7H)
Posted by: JustMe at August 18, 2012 10:36 AM (0hDIC)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 18, 2012 10:37 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 10:38 AM (r4wIV)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2012 10:38 AM (2pG7H)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 18, 2012 10:38 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Ma Bell, now R squared at August 18, 2012 10:40 AM (uVuwp)
OM, that's not entirely true. I'm thinking of that dedicated anti-nuker who has been arrested like 180 times.....finally hooked a prison sentence for invading a missile silo.
Some of the OWSers have done a few nights in jail for civil disobedience. Actually, that has a long tradition in the US.
Putin's reaction is ridiculous. But watching his campaign tactics this time around, you had to guess he was going to act like Chavez once reinstalled in power.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2012 10:40 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: big tommy at August 18, 2012 10:40 AM (q72+j)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 18, 2012 10:41 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 18, 2012 10:41 AM (Aykm9)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 18, 2012 10:41 AM (RZ8pf)
He needs to go out to Siberia and kill a bear while shirtless. That should do the trick.
Posted by: Alex at August 18, 2012 10:41 AM (oL8vk)
They have nothing recorded as far a I can tell. I think they're a band like a lot of garage bands are: they have a name and practice a lot.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 10:41 AM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Hal Burton at August 18, 2012 10:42 AM (kzFo5)
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at August 18, 2012 10:43 AM (/hE0F)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 10:43 AM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 18, 2012 10:43 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Btm at August 18, 2012 10:43 AM (nD2pm)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 18, 2012 10:44 AM (HiKk0)
These chicks are not the bright bulbs of freedom you are looking for.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2012 02:21 PM (Q/1Jp)
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The guy who wore the anti-SCOAMT t-shirt in the last thread showed a truer protest than these lefty bitches did. And, yes, I imagine he took into the consideration of Baraka's campaign not liking it and ordering all sorts of "investigations".
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 10:44 AM (OmTt9)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 18, 2012 10:45 AM (Aykm9)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 10:47 AM (r4wIV)
Well it's official. Headed to the theater to see Hunger Ganes at 4 pm. Only about 6 months after everyone else.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 18, 2012 10:48 AM (HethX)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 18, 2012 10:49 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2012 10:49 AM (2pG7H)
>>There has to be a "in soviet Russia..." joke here somewhere.
Yes, combined with the #PutinPussy tag, though perhaps not in that order, might lead to some hilarity ensuing.
Posted by: Mama AJ at August 18, 2012 10:49 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at August 18, 2012 10:51 AM (/hE0F)
Posted by: Ian S. at August 18, 2012 10:51 AM (rPA5/)
"The media is very susceptible to doing what the Obama campaign wants which is to focus on ( Romney's tax returns )"
More FartBook ammo if you need it, amigos.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 18, 2012 10:52 AM (Q/1Jp)
Posted by: Genghis Khan at August 18, 2012 10:52 AM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 18, 2012 10:53 AM (9TTOe)
Looks like she's preparing to unhinge her jaw.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 18, 2012 02:51 PM (rPA5/)
You'll notice that Obama is favoring Nancy. Can't blame him.
Posted by: ErikW at August 18, 2012 10:53 AM (v7aeu)
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I though Femen were Ukrainian.
Posted by: Anachronda at August 18, 2012 10:53 AM (1c58W)
I'm still trying to guess next week's Democrap/MFM (BIRM) theme.
This week was beer in Iowa and soft interviews, so I'm thinking it'll be about how nice the Dems are compared to those mean ol' Pubs yelling about issues and being mean to Uncle Joe.
Posted by: Mama AJ at August 18, 2012 10:53 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: Ian S. at August 18, 2012 02:51 PM (rPA5/)
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Looks like it's becoming tougher and tougher to hide that lazy eye too.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 10:54 AM (OmTt9)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 10:55 AM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 18, 2012 10:55 AM (9TTOe)
Not really. The Soviets would have given them a one-way ticket to a mental institution in Siberia where it would have been announced they "committed suicide" a few months later.
I'm afraid Putin has gone very very soft.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 18, 2012 10:56 AM (N2oyZ)
Posted by: Tom Morello at August 18, 2012 10:56 AM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: The Dogs at August 18, 2012 10:56 AM (dZq0z)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 18, 2012 10:56 AM (HethX)
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 18, 2012 10:57 AM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 18, 2012 10:58 AM (Aykm9)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 18, 2012 10:58 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 18, 2012 02:56 PM (HethX)
Well at $2.50 per ticket the credit card processing fees would probably cut heavily into their profits.
Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2012 10:58 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: Flash Mob Of Crabs On Your Vagina at August 18, 2012 10:59 AM (MG6Y6)
Posted by: free pussy, riot at August 18, 2012 10:59 AM (qRvXu)
Ya think? They could have done their crappy show outside but they had to desecrate a church. They deserve what they get. I wouldn't support anyone who pulled that crap - I don't care who they think they're protesting. Let them go pull that shit in a mosque, which is nothing but a military logistics base, anyway.
I don't have any sympathy for these chicks. If they were in America they'd be pulling the same shit here at churches and synagogues. Fuck 'em.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2012 10:59 AM (X3lox)
Wa-wa-wa-waaaaa~!
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 18, 2012 10:59 AM (Q/1Jp)
Posted by: Dirty Old Man at August 18, 2012 11:00 AM (i6s/N)
Posted by: The Dogs at August 18, 2012 11:00 AM (dZq0z)
Actually the Russian Orthodox does = Putin. It goes back to the USSR days if you believe Barron's book called KGB. You see the KGB had agents posing as priests back then. How else to control and keep quiet your natural opposition, you subvert it.
Also suggested on another thread we trade Tom Morello for Pussy Riot. He gets two years in a Russian jail and Code Pink gets competition for outrage.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 11:01 AM (ISQVH)
Well at $2.50 per ticket the credit card processing fees would probably cut heavily into their profits.
Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2012 02:58 PM (GULKT)
There was a second-run theater in Westerville that got shut down because of late night gay orgy partys.
I wonder if that's how they were making up for lost revenue.
Posted by: ErikW at August 18, 2012 11:01 AM (v7aeu)
Georgia's always on my mind
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 11:02 AM (r4wIV)
Seems the Russians are learning something from us after all. Opinion-shaping by skewed opinion polling.
Maybe the Russians, who speak Russian and aren't relying translated and edited media reports, know something we don't.
The sentence is severe, but this group has been attention whoring for some time now, and they've worn their welcome thin. Personally, I find the sentence overly harsh--then, again, I'm relying the same snippets you all are--but is it Stalin all over again? If it is, then we have worse threats here in Western Europe, where people are tried, fined and even jailed for saying BAD THINGS. Look at the trouble Mark Steyn went through, and he had money and clout enough to fight back.
Let me pose this question to you: what if PR staged this act in a mosque? No, not in the Middle East. We know what would happen there. No, let's say they did it in a mosque in Britain, Canada or France and managed to leave alive. Wouldn't they be facing pretty much the same sort of prosecution and punishment as they are now?
Posted by: Schaeffer at August 18, 2012 11:03 AM (Uh3UD)
You'll notice that Obama is favoring Nancy
We're the same dress size! I can't wear anything of Michele's.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at August 18, 2012 11:03 AM (qX/jA)
You could see KGB agents posing as EVERYTHING back then. That doesn't mean much of anything.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2012 11:04 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 18, 2012 11:04 AM (HiKk0)
excuse me?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 11:04 AM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 11:05 AM (rkWzl)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 18, 2012 11:05 AM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 18, 2012 11:06 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 18, 2012 11:06 AM (aHR5E)
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 18, 2012 11:07 AM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Harry Reid at August 18, 2012 11:08 AM (qX/jA)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 11:08 AM (r4wIV)
Almost anywhere in Africa and half of South America, they'd have simply been murdered by the government and vanished...
The leniency of their sentence shows how far the Russians have come since the Soviet days...and its pretty damn far.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 18, 2012 11:09 AM (N2oyZ)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 18, 2012 03:04 PM (HiKk0)
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Ukrainians do NOT like Russians. If there was one message that they made clear when I was there, it was that one.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 11:09 AM (OmTt9)
Posted by: Tom Morellos' equally irrelevant Dad at August 18, 2012 11:12 AM (8E5Jf)
Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2012 11:12 AM (sdi6R)
http://tinyurl.com/9vu59yk
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 11:14 AM (ISQVH)
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 11:14 AM (u3Rkr)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 18, 2012 03:06 PM (9TTOe)
Not from inside Russia.
Russia has not changed its character since its inception. It's always been like this and the Russians have always preferred dictators (the crazier and more sadistic the better). That's what they like and they all know it.
As to the pussy chicks staging their protest in a church, they knew exactly what they were doing and they decided to do it. I have no sympathy for church protests of this sort - not even against the Russian Orthodox church.
Russia is what it's always been and will be for the foreseeable future. The pussy rioters should have left. I'm sure they could have gotten to Europe, somehow. Then they could stage protests at the Vatican or whatever they would occupy themselves with.
The pussy riot idiots would, if they were allowed, be more destructive to civilized society in the West than they are complaining about in Russia. Good thing they're stuck in Russia. That's where they belong.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2012 11:14 AM (X3lox)
I don't see a problem there.
I do. No links.
Posted by: fluffy at August 18, 2012 11:14 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2012 11:15 AM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 18, 2012 11:15 AM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 11:16 AM (II8dR)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 18, 2012 11:17 AM (B9nls)
Screw 'em. Since when has the left had any problem with Putin the Communist thug or Russia? As long as he's kicking America in the balls, they've got nothing to say. But he interfered with a clutch of lewd skanks desecrating a church - NOW they're outraged and all about freedom and artistic integrity. They're not getting my support, not even to protest a dirty communist dictator. They don't give a damn about freedom - all they want is to smear their feces over Christianity and put those worthless believers in their appropriate inferior place. I hope they enjoy their time in jail.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at August 18, 2012 11:17 AM (JH8Np)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 18, 2012 11:17 AM (HiKk0)
Posted by: vivi at August 18, 2012 11:17 AM (OTPxW)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 11:18 AM (II8dR)
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 11:19 AM (u3Rkr)
Posted by: vivi at August 18, 2012 03:17 PM (OTPxW)
Total coincidence. Moochelle's dresses are actually cut from car tarps.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2012 11:19 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Fritz at August 18, 2012 11:20 AM (RuVpG)
Anyone else seen that Photo of the FLOTUS at Weasel Zippers?
Simply breathtaking.
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A face that could chase a horse back into a burning barn.
Posted by: Hagbard Celine at August 18, 2012 11:20 AM (+/VIS)
Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2012 11:22 AM (sdi6R)
but no jail time.
Posted by: vivi at August 18, 2012 11:22 AM (OTPxW)
Viktor Belenko's story MiG Pilot. As a child he believed with his whole heart the Soviet propaganda of how the country is heading to the ideal of the New Soviet Man. And all was well on the collective farms. One time he was with older more jaded people listening to the radio. The radio proudly announced how a farm quota had been met. The details are hazy now but it seems Viktor was the perfect Political Officer on the matter and one of the oldsters told him 'if you believe that then go milk the radio!'
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 11:23 AM (II8dR)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 11:26 AM (II8dR)
If you want to hear it but don't want to look for it, just watch MSNBC or read the Democrat Party platform.
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 03:19 PM (u3Rkr)
At least, Pravda used to spew Soviet propaganda because they'd be killed or sent away to the gulags if they didn't. The MFM spews the same commie propaganda and anti-American crap enthusiastically and all of their own volition. But ... that's what we get for not prosecuting any of them for revealing national security information. If no limits are ever set, leftists will never stop - as America has been given an abject lesson of these last 5 years ... though I can't say with certainty that much of it has been understood.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2012 11:26 AM (X3lox)
It sounds to me like they were arrested/sentenced for their....actions....rather than for what they were saying.
Pussy Riot has been protesting Putin for quite a while.
But they didn't like being ignored.
So they bumped it up a notch.
I think we've been conditioned here...by the Left...to accept outrageous behavior as 'Freedom of Speech'.
Speech is easy to ignore.
This is why leftist protestors often escalate it to more than just Speech.
Banging drums....vandalism....assault....these things should not be protected under 'Freedom of Speech'.
Is blowing up a bridge...'Freedom of Speech' too?
Where do you draw the line?
Posted by: wheatie at August 18, 2012 11:26 AM (mtRB0)
Having listened to a few of their songs on the ol' u-tube, I can say in mock seriousness that 2 years wasn't enough.
I would also note that those that compromise what we call the "left" here in the West, should re-evaluate what happens to freedom when the government becomes all encompassing. They won't, but they should.
Posted by: Darth Randall at August 18, 2012 11:30 AM (mV8sg)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 11:30 AM (II8dR)
Sure, but would it? Do you think Amnesty International and everyone else would be giving this the same amount of attention? Do you think you would? Would we even know about them outside of a few niche websites that focus on dhimmitude? How long until they would turn into an obscure trivia question, answerable only through the deep magic of Google?
Posted by: Schaeffer at August 18, 2012 11:30 AM (Uh3UD)
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 11:31 AM (u3Rkr)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 11:32 AM (II8dR)
I agree. And Sir Charles Napier agrees also.
From Wiki:
"Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_James_Napier
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 18, 2012 11:32 AM (2b4yb)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 11:33 AM (rkWzl)
Posted by: Honey Badger at August 18, 2012 11:33 AM (osdNx)
Posted by: Guy in the Gulag at August 18, 2012 11:34 AM (u3Rkr)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 11:34 AM (II8dR)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2012 11:35 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: occam at August 18, 2012 11:35 AM (71sq+)
If I remember my Solzhenitsyn correctly, he wrote that the Ukrainians did recognize the Nazis as liberators until they were told , "OK, now bring out all your Jews so we can kill them."
Then they fought.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 18, 2012 11:36 AM (+ZH9R)
Anna- I'm in Western Colorado. We have been getting orange sunrises for almost a week. Watchin the storms coming off Africa. Will be in GA/SC next week. With the kinda luck I have, they will probably have a historic hurricane while we are there.
Been thru earthquakes, snow and dust storms, guess it will be a new experience if it happens.
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 11:38 AM (rkWzl)
In retrospect, the Soviets actually won the Cold War, they just didn't last long enough to enjoy it.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 18, 2012 11:39 AM (BY9xy)
@PA, like almost anything else, trying to write a one size fits all law like 3 strikes is going to produce a few injustices. Let me present another side on this though. The system as currently set up is very lenient for first and second offenders for just about any crime but violent ones. Sometimes even them. Add on the number of crimes they committed but were never caught or convicted for, frequently a number 10 times as large as the official record. Add in expungement orders for first offenses on top of that. Throw in a free ride for most juvie offenses too. So by the time someone reaches their '3rd' strike, the count is likely much more than that.
Back in my management days, one of the most frequent reasons I had to fire someone was for absenteeism/tardiness. It took a lot of lates and misses to get fired, there were multiple disciplinary steps before termination, and your record cleared over a relatively short time period.
There were those that inevitably couldn't follow the attendance rules and reached the last step. "Gasp! You're firing me for having a flat tire! How unfair!" No, I'm not firing for having a flat tire, I'm firing you for having 12 flat tires. You get my drift.
PS I hate one size fits all laws.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2012 11:40 AM (ccXZP)
http://tinyurl.com/9lglap3
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 11:42 AM (II8dR)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 18, 2012 11:42 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 11:48 AM (rkWzl)
Hundreds more actually. I think the stats on career criminals indicates a typical one does something like 10-15 crimes per day. That would include all sorts of niggling shit like stealing a candy bar, keying someone's car, littering, etc. Burglars and thieves are very prolific, they'll do multiples a day.
The younger they are the worser they are too. If we had a snetencing system where we could say - you're going to be locked up until you turn 50 years old, then we'll release you, things would improve dramatically. The older they get the more mellow they get.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 18, 2012 11:48 AM (BY9xy)
157....PS I hate one size fits all laws.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2012 03:40 PM (ccXZP)
But...what is the alternative?
Adjusting the laws for 'some' people...and not for others?
We've already got that.
That's what Barky has been doing.
I know what you're saying...but 'judicial flexibility' is too often abused already, isn't it?
Posted by: wheatie at August 18, 2012 11:48 AM (mtRB0)
In comparison to the hell Victor Herman survived, Pussy Riot has gotten off lightly. But in both cases were the crimes severe enough to warrant such the sentences that were meted out. That is the question we should ponder.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 11:50 AM (II8dR)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 11:50 AM (rkWzl)
Posted by: Brian at August 18, 2012 11:52 AM (sZTYJ)
Infidel, the worse part are the First World well educated trust fund parasites who go visit place like Thailand and get horrified at the conditions there. But instead of wanting to help the Thai improve their life. These people feel guilty about how well they have it and start to hate the blessings they have.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 11:55 AM (II8dR)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 03:50 PM (rkWzl)
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It's the main reason I wish the Berlin wall still existed. Having been on both sides when it was still up, I can tell you the difference was so stark that it almost overwhelms the mind.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 11:56 AM (XXzCL)
Anna - yep. They don't know how to be thankful or help anyone else. Much too self-centered.
By the way, that book is pricey on amazon for a used paperback. Checking the library.
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 11:59 AM (rkWzl)
Posted by: Michelle 'Back that thang up Beyonce' Obama at August 18, 2012 11:59 AM (BVkEs)
Posted by: The Head Cheese at August 18, 2012 11:59 AM (MG6Y6)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 11:59 AM (II8dR)
It's the main reason I wish the Berlin wall still existed. Having been on both sides when it was still up, I can tell you the difference was so stark that it almost overwhelms the mind.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 03:56 PM (XXzCL)
Was stationed in then West Berlin in the 80s and I can vouch for that. It was as if one city was painted in every color imaginable and the other was painted in one color: beige.
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 12:00 PM (6kWFm)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 12:01 PM (rkWzl)
Yeah, I don't like it when a 6 year old gets suspended for carrying a plastic knife to school for his lunch. Or when nail clippers are called a concealed weapon.
There has to be some allowance for common sense in a system.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2012 12:01 PM (ccXZP)
If someone is up for a 3rd strike, put the sentencing decision in the hands of a citizen sentencing jury who has access to their whole criminal history, including "sealed" juvie records, life history, etc.
Allow the perp to make a personal appeal to the sentencing jury (no lawyer, just the perp). If they can convince the sentencing jury going down on the 3rd strike would be unfair, then they get remanded back to regular courts and sentenced as if it were a 2nd strike. If the jury thinks they're still a scumbag, they go down for the count.
This would allow for public intervention to override mandatory sentencing if it made sense to do so. In essence, the jury group is doing a "Delphi Method" prediction on how likely the perp is to be a problem again if put on a sentencing track that allows for eventual release.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_method
The Delphi groups answer would probably be a lot more accurate than a single judge's.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 18, 2012 12:02 PM (BY9xy)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 04:01 PM (rkWzl)
That's an even starker comparison. At least East Berlin had electricity.
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 12:03 PM (6kWFm)
Posted by: Honey Badger at August 18, 2012 03:33 PM (osdNx)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoaktW-Lu38
Posted by: Brian at August 18, 2012 03:52 PM (sZTYJ)
Gotta laugh to keep from dying. Carter's foreign policy gave us Iran. Obama's gave us this.
Posted by: Craig Poe at August 18, 2012 12:05 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: Patrick at August 18, 2012 12:05 PM (LrlHu)
Posted by: SuperMag at August 18, 2012 12:05 PM (YWFih)
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 04:00 PM (6kWFm)
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Must have been fun, though, I mean, in W Berlin. I really liked that town.
My Cav unit was there doing house-to-house combat training in that potempkin village the military set up close to the wall. We'd do a formation mooning at the East German guard towers every morning.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 12:06 PM (XXzCL)
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 04:00 PM (6kWFm)
I remember Universal Gray, with pieces of walls falling off; nets over the sidewalks to catch the gravity-influences chunks of plaster; lots of beige, too--a sort of pasty, washed-out semi-brown.
Posted by: Aviation Detachment, Berlin Brigade at August 18, 2012 12:08 PM (Dll6b)
Posted by: dc homeowner at August 18, 2012 12:09 PM (fJody)
There's a certain insane PC cadre on the loose that simply need to be fired from public employ. The shit I did in H/S would have had me being led away in leg irons and charged with terrorism these days. At the time, it didn't even warrant a detention or being sent to the principal's office.
Everyone was walking around the H/S flicking these wooden faux switchblades we'd manufactured. It was great fun. One guy even braced the principal against a car in the parking lot and flicked one in his face as a joke. The principal examined it, laughed and remarked on the quality of construction, then handed it back to the guy and walked away laughing.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 18, 2012 12:09 PM (BY9xy)
Gordon is far out in the Atlantic heading towards Europe. Helene is ashore in Mexico. So far no other systems in the offering.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 12:10 PM (II8dR)
Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2012 12:11 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: SD Tom at August 18, 2012 12:14 PM (BkZ6Z)
Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2012 12:15 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: SD Tom at August 18, 2012 12:16 PM (BkZ6Z)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 03:01 PM (ISQVH)
Vlad wouldn't waste a gram of polonium on a worthless turd like Morello. Nor will I knowingly waste a nanosecond of my life listening to anything that cocksucker does.
Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 18, 2012 12:16 PM (ZrYxO)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 12:17 PM (II8dR)
Best time had ever during my service!
My Cav unit was there doing house-to-house combat training in that potempkin village the military set up close to the wall. We'd do a formation mooning at the East German guard towers every morning.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 04:06 PM (XXzCL)
That sounds like fun too.
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 12:17 PM (6kWFm)
Posted by: Tim Robbins at August 18, 2012 12:17 PM (wUFaM)
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2012 12:17 PM (ccXZP)
t-shirts to start rolling out.
Posted by: SD Tom at August 18, 2012 04:14 PM (BkZ6Z)
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I'm sure there's a Russian reading this. He's probably heading to the nearest t-shirt screening joint as I type.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 12:17 PM (XXzCL)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 12:18 PM (II8dR)
Anna - there is one off africa predicted to head this way. We leave a week from Monday. Meh. Might beat the 100 degree temps here.
Have to order the book thru UC Boulder Library. Talk about ironic.
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 12:18 PM (rkWzl)
That's an even starker comparison. At least East Berlin had electricity.
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 04:03 PM (6kWFm)
It's difficult to accept that a society like that even exists. Sometimes I think we should nuke them just to put them out of their misery.
Okay, not really but I'd like someone to explain why we're in Afghanistan and not in North Korea. I have a feeling I already know why.
Posted by: ErikW at August 18, 2012 12:20 PM (sBtWl)
I remember Universal Gray, with pieces of walls falling off; nets over the sidewalks to catch the gravity-influences chunks of plaster; lots of beige, too--a sort of pasty, washed-out semi-brown.
Posted by: Aviation Detachment, Berlin Brigade at August 18, 2012 04:08 PM (Dll6b)
Dirt plus coal plus bird poop= "beige"...and how you, BB?
I was USAF, stationed at Tempelhof, doing hush-hush stuff that the present admin will tell the world about any minute now.
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 12:20 PM (6kWFm)
Posted by: Cricket at August 18, 2012 12:21 PM (2ArJQ)
Posted by: sonnyspats at August 18, 2012 12:23 PM (Bm4aK)
175 But...what is the alternative?
If someone is up for a 3rd strike, put the sentencing decision in the hands of a citizen sentencing jury who has access to their whole criminal history, including "sealed" juvie records, life history, etc.
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Posted by: @PurpAv at August 18, 2012 04:02 PM (BY9xy)
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I like this idea too, @PurpAv.
In other words....return to the original idea of 'a jury of peers', before the lawyers and leftists screwed it up.
Posted by: wheatie at August 18, 2012 12:23 PM (mtRB0)
Posted by: Craig Poe at August 18, 2012 12:24 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: ErikW at August 18, 2012 04:20 PM (sBtWl)
Their nukes...and China's. And nuking them would be tricky. ROK and Japan would pay a big price.
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 12:25 PM (6kWFm)
50% of development. If this Cape Verde storm does form, the typical path for it will be to sweep over Bermuda and keep going into the Atlantic. Completely miss the US Eastern seaboard.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 12:26 PM (II8dR)
Saudi Cleric Questions Holocaust
Al-Odeh also perpetuates ‘blood libel’ against Jews
BY: Adam Kredo
August 16, 2012 4:04 pm
A prominent Saudi Arabian religious cleric declared that the Holocaust is an “exaggeration” and that Jewish people consume the blood of children during a wide-ranging interview with an Arabic television station.
Saudi cleric Salman Al-Odeh, a well-known scholar revered by millions globally, went on a lengthy tirade against the Jews during an interview Monday in which he stated that “the role of the Jews is to wreak destruction, to wage war, and to practice deception and extortion,” according to a translation of his remarks by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).
Al-Odeh ranted about the use of human blood in Jewish religious rituals, a notorious anti-Semitic smear commonly referred to as a “blood libel.”
“It is well known that the Jews celebrate several holidays, one of which is the Passover, or the matzos holiday,” he said.
“I read once about a doctor who was working in a laboratory. This doctor lived with a Jewish family. One day, they said to him: ‘We want blood. Get us some human blood,’” Al-Odeh explained.
“He was confused. He didn’t know what this was all about,” Al-Odeh says as the interviewer nods along. “He found that they were making matzos with human blood. They eat it, believing that this brings them close to their false god, Yahweh.”
Jewish people “would lure a child in order to sacrifice him in the religious rite that they perform during that holiday,” Al-Odeh adds.
The prominent Saudi Cleric also believes that the Holocaust “has been turned into a myth of tremendous proportions.”
Jewish people across the globe now use the Holocaust to extort governments, Al-Odeh claimed.
“The Holocaust has become a source for extortion. Through this Holocaust, the Jews began to extort many governments worldwide—in Europe and in the U.S.,” he says before stating that Israelis are now waging a “Holocaust” against Palestinian people.
“The Jews even began to perpetrate the same thing themselves against the Palestinian people, carrying out a Holocaust in Gaza and the occupied land,” he said. “They attack children, women, and the elderly under the pretext of the Holocaust that they are trying to substantiate.”
Jewish people “believe that have the right to kill anyone who does not adhere to their religion,” Al-Odeh adds.
The Obama administration has gone out of its way to maintain stellar relations with the Saudi government, which is known to oppress its people. The president famously took heat early in his presidency for bowing to Saudi King Abdullah.
Posted by: mallfly at August 18, 2012 12:26 PM (bJm7W)
The first thing to recognize is that the justice system doesn't dispense justice, it dispenses process and method. If any actual justice is delivered its an unintentional side effect.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 18, 2012 12:27 PM (BY9xy)
What if 10 people had to come to a consensus on whether a person was truly disabled? What if at least 30-40% of this group could not be collecting any government bennies themselves? Add in a 2 or 5 year re-review process to make sure that recipients are still disabled.
I have a feeling our imminent SSDI solvency crisis would be solved pronto.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2012 12:28 PM (ccXZP)
Agreed.
And why are juvenile records sealed? I have never understood that. If the juvenile crime was the typical idiocy of a teenager, it will be obvious to anyone reading the record. If the crime was more serious, it is a clear indication of the kind of person who is now before an adult court judge. Either way, it should be available.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 18, 2012 12:28 PM (2b4yb)
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 04:20 PM (6kWFm)
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We landed at Tempelhof. While we were waiting for our transport, we walked around for about an hour. It was evident to those of us with a little history background that it reflected the nazi grandioso design of many of Hitler/Speer creations.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 12:28 PM (XXzCL)
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 04:20 PM (6kWFm)
Army Aviation, wanking most of the time in 1-HDs, running errands for colonels across the Gleinecker Brucke ,which has apparently renamed itself Konigstrasse , to Potsdam.
nothing secret... .. Lots of nice old buildings in Potsdam survived the war
Posted by: Aviation Detachment, Berlin Brigade at August 18, 2012 12:30 PM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 12:31 PM (rkWzl)
Yep. A goodly portion of it was our dorm, BX, DinFac etc. and, most importantly, our enlisted club (Club Silverwings). Pretty handy to have the bar and your place of sleeping in the same building!
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 12:32 PM (6kWFm)
Shit, if done in the Hindu Kush, they would be stoned to death.
The Persians would probably just hang them.
And in South Africa, they might use the Bonnie and Clyde approach recently taken with some pesky miners who were striking.
The Russkies are being rather civilized here, wouldn't you say?
Expect to see a lot of this in the good old USA, should Romney be elected preezy. Protest bands protesting. Only there will be no repercussions, only some tongue-in-cheek oh-noes from the MSM.
Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at August 18, 2012 12:32 PM (PH+2B)
President Obama would be much, much farther along in his plan for America if he had the unwavering support of the people, untarnished by a few malcontents who simply cause trouble for the government and its goals because of racism and sexism and hatred of the working man.
Posted by: Linus and Peppermint Patty's first blowjob at August 18, 2012 12:32 PM (2b4yb)
Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2012 12:33 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R R at August 18, 2012 04:01 PM (rkWzl)
The really pathetic part about that is that just about every election in South Korea has been a contest of who really hates America for saving and continuing to defend their sorry asses. It's beyond pathetic, really. Not much different than much of Western Europe during the USSR, though. The South Koreans still aren't as bad as the French were/are/will always be. That's gotta be worth something, I guess ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2012 12:33 PM (X3lox)
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♫ Look for the Union label! ♫
Posted by: Pussy Riot at August 18, 2012 04:28 PM (u3Rkr)
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Yep.
Pussy Riot = OWS scrunts.
According to that article....some OWSers here have worn "Pussy Riot masks" in some of their demonstrations.
Posted by: wheatie at August 18, 2012 12:34 PM (mtRB0)
They look like the California Raisins had an unfortunate encounter in a Pepto-Bismol factory.
Well, I'm convinced now. Lol.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 18, 2012 12:35 PM (hO8IJ)
Their nukes...and China's. And nuking them would be tricky. ROK and Japan would pay a big price.
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 04:25 PM (6kWFm)
I didn't think of that angle.
I do remember talk about a contingency plan that South Korea and the U.S. had to basically swarm and overcome the Norks at a moment's notice in an emergency situation.
Is that crap or just not a realistic scenario? Or is it plausible?
Posted by: ErikW at August 18, 2012 12:36 PM (sBtWl)
Robert Simpson is one of the guys who gave us Saffir/Simpson scale. Its an older book but very trustworthy. When they talk about why there have been no hurricanes in the South Atlantic they offer the various explanations. But then they conclude with 'we really don't know why.'
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 12:36 PM (II8dR)
The really pathetic part about that is that just about every election in South Korea has been a contest of who really hates America for saving and continuing to defend their sorry asses. It's beyond pathetic, really. Not much different than much of Western Europe during the USSR, though. The South Koreans still aren't as bad as the French were/are/will always be. That's gotta be worth something, I guess ...
Hopefully, we can get back to reality in Jan. and avoid that shit here, as much as the left it trying to turn us that way.
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 12:37 PM (rkWzl)
Posted by: Y-not at August 18, 2012 12:37 PM (5H6zj)
Well, I'm convinced now. Lol.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 18, 2012 04:35 PM (hO8IJ)
Thanks, Heather, for taking one for the team and saving me from wanting to gouge out my eyes.
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 12:38 PM (6kWFm)
The big pussy in the White House and his Secretary at State, neither of whom have the balls to tell Putin and his merry gang of pranksters that jailing a girl band for speech is very bad form.
Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at August 18, 2012 12:41 PM (PH+2B)
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 04:32 PM (6kWFm)
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When I first got to Germany, I was assigned to a small kaserne in Kaiserslautern. Barracks, EM club, NCO club, personel office within a half a block across a small courtyard. It was a nice setup. Especially since only about 150 EM and officers were assigned there.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 12:41 PM (XXzCL)
Is that crap or just not a realistic scenario? Or is it plausible?
Posted by: ErikW at August 18, 2012 04:36 PM (sBtWl)
With SCOAMF doing the coconut treatment on the military, I don't know. /happy to be retired
Posted by: baldilocks at August 18, 2012 12:41 PM (6kWFm)
225Picture of Paul Ryan finally surfaces!
http://tinyurl.com/8oklo44
(Safe for work unless you work some place especially prudish.)
Posted by: Y-not at August 18, 2012 04:37 PM (5H6zj)
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Paul Ryan isn't circumsized?
Posted by: wheatie at August 18, 2012 12:42 PM (mtRB0)
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 12:43 PM (u3Rkr)
Posted by: Infidel"
Wow, that's really OT. Good one!
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at August 18, 2012 12:45 PM (d6TfZ)
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 12:45 PM (u3Rkr)
The Norks have 11000 artillery pieces aimed at Seoul. If the shit goes down, Seoul gets blasted to rubble no matter what else happens.
With a population of 10 million, that's sorta a big deal.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2012 12:46 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 12:47 PM (rkWzl)
Posted by: stubborncow at August 18, 2012 12:47 PM (lroAi)
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 04:43 PM (u3Rkr)
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Actually, when they get into prison, they'll be changing the name of their band to "New Meat".
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 12:48 PM (XXzCL)
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 12:49 PM (u3Rkr)
Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 18, 2012 12:50 PM (5H6zj)
Look up their protest videos.
One of them showed up topless at a church and took down large crucifixes out side the church with a chainsaw.
Interesting clothing choice ... but she needs to be grubbing potatoes out of the ground on a prison farm for a couple of years.
Posted by: Kristophr at August 18, 2012 12:50 PM (0aV2C)
And people talk of Hitler invading the Soviet Union as being stupid.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 12:51 PM (II8dR)
227You know what's a riot?
The big pussy in the White House and his Secretary at State, neither of whom have the balls to tell Putin and his merry gang of pranksters that jailing a girl band for speech is very bad form.
Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at August 18, 2012 04:41 PM (PH+2B)
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It's not their "speech" that they were put in jail for.
They have been protesting for a long time.
They didn't like being ignored.
So they took their 'protest' into a Cathedral, in order to get more attention.
Conservatives in Russia thought that they "went too far".
What Putin has done was actually a hat tip to the conservatives in his country.
Posted by: wheatie at August 18, 2012 12:51 PM (mtRB0)
promoters plan to go forward with next weekend`s Moscow concert featuring 'Anal-anarchy' and 'Titty-turbulence', with special guests 'Brenda Brawl and the snarling-snappers'...
What, no Bastard Boxing?
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 12:51 PM (rkWzl)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 18, 2012 04:50 PM (2b4yb)
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Long enough for that artillery to really fuck up Seol.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 12:51 PM (XXzCL)
I've had my dose of fuckitall and I say since they did the crime they can do the time.
The reason why so many people are verklempt about this is because beginning in the 60's, the west gave asshole protesters free reign. Steal the nose cone of an ICBM -- no problemo! -- just spend a night in jail and all is good. We have, as a society, given leftist radicals a green light for violating all laws.
Father Berrigan and his nuts and sluts followers (like Zinn) should all have been locked up for 20 years for their loose shit. Berrigan did serve about three years, but ever since Watergate, lefty protesters, no matter how vile their acts, usually spend no more than one night in jail. Charges are dropped at arraignment next morning and the assholes are set free to wreak havoc on society over and over again.
It angers the fuck outta me to say that in some ways we should be more like Russia.
Posted by: Ed Anger at August 18, 2012 12:52 PM (tOkJB)
The ROK army obliterated every base within arty range of the island. The Norks requested another armistice.
Posted by: Kristophr at August 18, 2012 12:52 PM (0aV2C)
You gotta figure about half of them are actually manned with a proper squad. Of those, half are aimed properly, and of them half will actually fire. And since the North Koreans follow the dictator top-down system of military power, taking out their chain of command and communication system means maybe a quarter of those remaining guns fire.
Corrupt totalitarian states, especially communist-based ones, are never as good as they pretend to be.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 12:54 PM (r4wIV)
Yep. The Norks should have been bombed into the pre-stone age a long time ago. Every day we let them get away with shit made it worse. Of course, it was often the South Koreans who opposed taking care of the problem when it was possible.
The Chinese have it worse than we do.
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 04:49 PM (u3Rkr)
I'm not sure what you mean by this. The Norks are the Chinese's pets. China could have put the brakes on them any time they wanted but they liked using the Norks against the West. All this crap i hear about China being scared of being flooded by Norks makes me laugh. The Chinese have never had any problems dealing with those sorts of situations when they felt like it.
What I never understood is why anyone accepted the obvious lie about China helping to rein in the Norks. It's always been clear that they have done exactly the opposite.
This is why unconditional surrender is the only good and decent way to end a war. Truces are for idiots and Eurotrash.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2012 12:55 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 12:55 PM (u3Rkr)
Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 18, 2012 12:55 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Craig Poe"
ROFL! THAT'S gonna work well for 'em!! Idiots!
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at August 18, 2012 12:55 PM (d6TfZ)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 18, 2012 12:56 PM (HiKk0)
The Norks have 11000 artillery pieces aimed at Seoul. If the shit goes down, Seoul gets blasted to rubble no matter what else happens.
With a population of 10 million, that's sorta a big deal.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2012 04:46 PM (ccXZP)
Ah, okay. I'm just a dumbass civvy, that's why I ask you guys the questions.
I guess there's a part of me that's naive and won't accept that we can't help people who are being crushed by their leaders.
The snarky comments are welcome.
Posted by: ErikW at August 18, 2012 12:56 PM (sBtWl)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/18/frc-suspect-may-have-targ_n_1800872.html
Posted by: vivi at August 18, 2012 12:57 PM (OTPxW)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 12:57 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: vivi at August 18, 2012 12:58 PM (OTPxW)
GENERAL BOYKIN: I was. It was about 10:46 on Wednesday morning. He walked in the lobby, set a backpack down in front of the guard desk and then reached in his backpack. Fortunately this guard who was actually the building manager but kind of dual roles as a guard, realized something was up and got out of his chair and approached the man and just as the man pulled a pistol, pointed it at his head, this gentle giant of a guard reached up and grabbed the gun and he shot him — the gunman shot our man Leo Johnson in the wrist but with one arm, Leo wrestled this man to the ground and took his gun away from him and what a hero this guy was. He saved a lot of people and there’s no question, Glenn, this guy’s intent based on the fact that he had about 50 rounds of ammunition and 15 Chick-fil-A bags was this was going to be a mass murder on our — a large scale.
GLENN: You actually talked to the gunman?
GENERAL BOYKIN: I listened as the gunman lay on the floor talking to police and he said, I don’t like the policies here and, you know, he — in fact, he stated that to the guard, as well. So, yeah, it was — there was no question what his motive was. He tied us to Chick-fil-A and I think the scenario is — it doesn’t take much imagination, Glenn. He was going to go through and kill as many people as he could and drop Chick-fil-A bags at every dead body to send a signal that he was reacting to the — our stance on traditional marriage, that being between a man and a woman.
Posted by: vivi at August 18, 2012 01:00 PM (OTPxW)
Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 18, 2012 01:00 PM (5H6zj)
I would not invite Trump, but I think the others bring something to the table, even Cain.
Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 18, 2012 04:55 PM (5H6zj)
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This is the elite establishment repubs' party. I'm finding it hard to believe that they'll even let Ryan speak. It must really grate on some of them.
And that's really all it is nowdays, a party party. I'm waiting for afterwards when our candidates can get down to business.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 01:01 PM (XXzCL)
Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 18, 2012 01:02 PM (5H6zj)
I like Herman Cain but when he proposed the idea of instituting a federal sales tax without needing a Constitutional amendment he totally lost me. I was never big on his candidacy, but that was just too much to even want him having such a big megaphone. He has good ideas about little things and the general shape of America but his actual policy prescription that formed the centerpiece of his candidacy was absolutely awful.
Of course, now that Benedick Roberts has declared the feral government free to take money from anyone, for anything ... even for nothing, and to call it a "tax", the sky's the limit on feral theft from individuals and all possible transactions or mere existence.
If Roberts isn't impeached in 2013 and put back on a park bench (the only bench he belongs on) we will not recover.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2012 01:02 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 01:03 PM (u3Rkr)
...It angers the fuck outta me to say that in some ways we should be more like Russia.
Posted by: Ed Anger at August 18, 2012 04:52 PM (tOkJB)
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I hear ya, Ed.
Putin was the guy who called Barky an "illegitimate president" after he was elected....because he was "born in Kenya".
Putin also was the guy who said...."America should not embrace Socialism. Socialism does not work".
Putin has got Barky wrapped around his little finger.
This is why there was an apologetic, pleading tone in Barky's voice....when he told Medeved that he "could be more flexible" after he gets re-elected.
I can't fault Putin for looking out for his own country.
That's his job.
We just need someone in the White House who will stand up to him.
Posted by: wheatie at August 18, 2012 01:03 PM (mtRB0)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone bum at August 18, 2012 01:03 PM (clOq9)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 01:03 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 01:03 PM (rkWzl)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2012 01:05 PM (II8dR)
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 05:03 PM (u3Rkr)
Thanks, I understand that. I was just lamenting the fact that we can't do anything for them.
It's a crying fucking shame.
Posted by: ErikW at August 18, 2012 01:05 PM (sBtWl)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 18, 2012 01:05 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 01:06 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 18, 2012 01:07 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 01:08 PM (u3Rkr)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/92oza28
The article's title, How North Korea Could Flatten Seoul in 2 Hours, isn't backed up by the info they present. Still, it's an interesting look. It's also unwise to completely underestimate your enemy too.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2012 01:08 PM (ccXZP)
But no matter how hellish it gets for the people of a nation - and believe me I feel for the North Korean people - its none of our business if the US is not directly and clearly interested and involved. Afghanistan, Iraq, I can see. Iran? Sudan? North Korea? Not so much.
But in and out. We can obliterate any military on earth in a matter of weeks. We should be out again within a matter of weeks after that.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 01:09 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 01:10 PM (u3Rkr)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 01:11 PM (r4wIV)
Y-not. I agree with you. I loved Perry's "throwing his hat in the ring" speach and the pain killers did his verbal skills no favors. I guess I am just soooo sick of all of them. I just want to be left alone. I'm tired of having to babysit these assholes who pass laws for us that they don't have to abide by.
/rant off
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 01:12 PM (rkWzl)
Invade like Iraq? That's a lot of letters to parents.
This nut is best left uncracked.
Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 05:03 PM (u3Rkr)
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North Korea is the sister-state of China. We make war on the Norks, we make war on China. It's as simple as that.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 01:12 PM (XXzCL)
Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 18, 2012 01:14 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 18, 2012 01:15 PM (5H6zj)
We have a lot to thank Carter for. Obama has done more domestic damage but the Chinese control the Panama Canal because of that jackass, for instance.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 01:16 PM (r4wIV)
270 Does it strike anyone else as odd that a rock band in Russia would name itself something that sounds vaguely dirty in English? "Kiske Bunt" doesn't have the same idiomatic meaning in Russian as it does in English.
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone bum at August 18, 2012 05:03 PM (clOq9)
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I think they knew exactly what they were doing...in picking their name.
It's an old leftist tactic to use sex to lure people to your side.
"Kiske Bunt"..?
Does that have a different meaning in Russian?
And how are you doing, btw, Truman?
You still in the hospital?
Posted by: wheatie at August 18, 2012 01:16 PM (mtRB0)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 01:16 PM (rkWzl)
Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 18, 2012 01:18 PM (5H6zj)
I think guys like Dennis Miller are carrying on the tradition, he has great guests on his show. Online is the place for that these days.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 01:19 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 05:16 PM (rkWzl)
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Some of the best shows were when Dean Martin and/or Sammy Davis, Jr. would show up. LMAO.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 01:21 PM (XXzCL)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone bum at August 18, 2012 01:21 PM (clOq9)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 01:21 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 18, 2012 01:24 PM (3yCFy)
Coupled with being home and resting with my family in my own bed, I should be functional again in no time.
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone bum at August 18, 2012 05:21 PM (clOq9)
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Good. I was dreading the posts where one day you'd say your arm just fell off or some other member of your body just fell off. TAKE THAT MEDICINE.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 01:25 PM (XXzCL)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 18, 2012 01:26 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 18, 2012 01:26 PM (rkWzl)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 18, 2012 05:24 PM (3yCFy)
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The Dinah Shore Show. See the USA in your Chevrolet.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 01:30 PM (XXzCL)
They're a performance artist trio. They generally act up and do weird stuff in protest against the government and the establishment.
Posted by: Hylozoic at August 18, 2012 01:30 PM (Vh0f5)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 18, 2012 01:31 PM (3yCFy)
276 I would suggest Perry is significantly more conservative than Romney, and one with executive experience. If he's on his game (i.e. not hopped up on pain killers), he's a very good candidate too. .....
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 05:06 PM (r4wIV)
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Agree wholeheartedly.
It's a shame his campaign was so cringeworthy.....I still think he would make a great President.
Romney's best lines these days, are ones that he's cribbed from Perry.
*sigh*
Posted by: wheatie at August 18, 2012 01:32 PM (mtRB0)
Posted by: CMU VET at August 18, 2012 01:32 PM (dPSpR)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 05:19 PM (r4wIV)
My father was on the Mike Douglas show, once.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2012 01:32 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 18, 2012 05:31 PM (3yCFy)
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You're right. Her show was in the 50's for the 50's.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 01:33 PM (XXzCL)
Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 18, 2012 01:33 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2012 01:35 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Patrick at August 18, 2012 01:39 PM (LrlHu)
The NORKS aren't nothing to sneeze at. How soon we forget the lessons of the past.
I think it was Fark (I really can't remember) that linked to a photo essay of North Korea. It was full of Potemkin cities with six lane avenues populated by one Zil truck.
I'm sorry to this day I never bookmarked the site or saved as an *.mht file.
What was more shocking than the huge posters of dear leader and the grand, empty cities were the pictures of the bridges.
Every bridge in North Korea has 20 ton blocks of concrete on inclines along the bridges. Anyone with even a minor command authority could send those blocks of concrete onto the roadways of hundreds, if not thousands, of bridges. No armor will get through -- only infantry and support vehicles -- because the blocks will not totally shut down the bridges but will make a zig-zag pattern in order to cross them. And at each end of each bridge there are heavily fortified heavy weapons positions.
There are similar barriers at every natural choke points (cliffs, etc.) for any invasion of North Korea.
And remember -- the only people who get an ample food ration are the ones who man the NORK military; who man the thousands of artillery tubes pointed at Seoul.
North Korea is a cast iron bitch we currently have no answer for.
Posted by: Ed Anger at August 18, 2012 01:46 PM (tOkJB)
Every bridge in North Korea has 20 ton blocks of concrete on inclines along the bridges
Yeah, but built by starved, enslaved, no-hope, no-ambition North Koreans. The modern US military doesn't really need existing bridges anyway.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 01:52 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: vivi at August 18, 2012 01:53 PM (OTPxW)
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Every bridge in North Korea has 20 ton blocks of concrete on inclines along the bridges
Yeah, but built by starved, enslaved, no-hope, no-ambition North Koreans. The modern US military doesn't really need existing bridges anyway.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 05:52 PM (r4wIV)
Do you know anything about the topography of North Korea?
The weather of North Korea?
My Dad spent over two years in Korea during the Korean war.
And a tour of duty in Vietnam as the CO of a Huey equipped airborne assault battalion.
From what I've garnered from his experience, you are so full of shit your eyeballs are brown.
Posted by: Ed Anger at August 18, 2012 02:13 PM (tOkJB)
Posted by: Politkovskaya, Litvinenko, and Other Corpses at August 18, 2012 02:14 PM (mk9aG)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 02:35 PM (r4wIV)
315 Ed a lot has changed in the last fifty years. It was hell fighting there in 1952 but we aren't using castoff WW2 gear now.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 06:35 PM (r4wIV)
And so much has changed hat door-to-door fighting in Iraq resulted in zero American deaths!
Kindly STFU jerkoff.
Posted by: Ed Anger at August 18, 2012 03:06 PM (tOkJB)
You may now go back to drinking excessive coffee.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 03:54 PM (r4wIV)
The Chinese Army.
US intervention against North Korea will cause a war with the PRC.
Posted by: Kristophr at August 18, 2012 05:58 PM (0aV2C)
You don't do this kind of thing in a church - period. Your need/right/desire to make a point cannot be done at the expense of insulting a church.
This isn't hard to understand.
You want to tell Puti to F himself, that's fine. Do it outside a convenience store, or - better yet - in front of city hall.
They did it in a church for shock value, and they got their wish. They have no right, in my book of ethics, to insult the Orthodox in this manner.
Just like naming your band Pussy Riot. Maybe it's time to put the shock value away and make some actual music. The "power" of Rock and Roll - to the degree that it has power at all - comes from the music. Otherwise it's just a bunch of punk-ass kids who are crying for attention.
Posted by: RobM1981 at August 19, 2012 04:34 AM (hutyk)
North Korea is China's best puppet. For what amounts to a handful of rice and obsolete weaponry, North Korea provides China with the most useful irritant to some of their largest competitors.
S. Korea, Japan, and the USA all have to keep one eye on North Korea, instead of keeping it on China. It's Realpolitik at its best.
A unified Korea - unified into South Korean laws - would be a major loss to China's leverage.
Posted by: RobM1981 at August 19, 2012 04:36 AM (hutyk)
If the cause is genuinely just, the willingness of opponents to suffer legal penalties for extralegal (i.e. criminal) acts against the target is a very powerful weapon - especially if a large number of people show that willingness, or people who are highly respectable. But the Left attitude is that they should be allowed to throw criminal temper tantrums with impunity.
2) My local classical music radio station mentioned the verdict in the noon news reading. But it was funny, because the announcer kept pausing, and then saying "feminist punk band" or "band members" rather than speak the name.
Posted by: Rich Rostrom at August 20, 2012 09:52 AM (kM/kh)
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