1 I guess 'ultra' means you want to actually win.

2

I'm so tired of the Bushes, especially Jeb Bush, this passive aggresive insulting nonsense. Just shut up, take a cue from GWB, who gives speeches once in a while but won't insult and whine.

Maybe he wants be the next Meghan Mccain, I notice he goes on lefty shows all the time to insult conservatives.

3 Remember the Grand Bargain that Ogabe and his poodles in the MBM said the GOP walked away from.

...ummm...it turns out the JEF-y SCOAMF was the one that who actually was the dick and tried to change the accepted agreement after the fact

4 I'm reminded of Scipio Africanus's response to Hannibal when, on the plains outside Carthage, Hannibal suggested that Carthage and Rome could, nay ought!,  to be friends.

Scipio's response?   Nice try, sunshine. 

5 Meghan has nicer breasties than Jeb.

6 wait a second ....

we're behaving as if the whole Anger/'Comment Registration Because Some People Are Untrammeled Assholes' thing never happened.

hit the tip jar for ace.

7 That we have to back yet another Rhino is PROOF the republicans are too partisan.

8 When you're raised and you govern by NE Liberal Republican standards, then yes, conservatives do look partisan.

Him and his whole family have more, politically, in common with Democrats than they do with the majority of Conservatives.

It's why they made such bad and harmful decisions and THEY'RE the reason why conservatives have to be so partisan NOW. They promised they would govern with at least some conservative principles. They failed to keep those promises for the most part or failed at crucial times. Thus they were rejected by the electorate. GW only got 2 terms because of IRAQ. Otherwise he too would have been rejected.

The Reps lost the House because they began to rule like Democrats.

I don't doubt that they have not learned the lesson. Only time will tell.

OH and happy, happy , joy, joy. blehh.

9 5 Meghan has nicer breasties than Jeb.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at June 11, 2012 08:59 AM (VrVBw)

 

To be fair, we'd have to get a look at his nipples to make a final determination.

10 Cheeseburgers rule, and they aren't partisan either.

11

And Moe Lane has advice on how to treat people like them!

 

Well, I think that's what he's saying, isn't it?

12 People like Jeb and Karl are the reason we lost the congress in 2007 and Obama is in office now.  Piss on both of them.

13 Compromise: Democrats stake out an ultra-liberal position and double down on it whien challenged, using demagogic rhetoric. Meanwhile Republicans inch further and further to the left as the MSM brays like jackasses at them, aided by the so-called "moderates" who are quck to point out how the current Republicans are so partisan and intransigent. The final compromise is usually far further toward the liberal position. The MSM castigates the R's for scorched earth tactics. Meanwhile the Democrats file the Republican weakness away for a future winning template.

14

Amen, I'm so sick of this sh*t. Most of the Republican party is run by ex-Reagan staffers, volunteers, etc.

 

If the Republican party ever nominates this jerk face then I'm leaving. I can't stand dynasties and I'm tired of the underwhelming Bush family.

 

15 To much blue blood has rushed from his brain in his attempt to yet again screw conservatives. He is the runt of the litter, just like Teddy.

16 Stay out 'the Bushes!

17 BumperStickerist at June 11, 2012 09:02 AM (rEWPE)

We're on double secret probation and I think the Ban Hammer/Threat of Registration is poised like the Sword of Damocles.

Or maybe pixy is having trouble cutting and pasting the new code.

18 The whole point of the political parties is to BE partisan. Otherwise whats the fn point?

19

Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush said today that both Ronald Reagan and his father George H. W. Bush would have had a difficult time getting nominated by today's ultra-conservative Republican Party.

 

 

I halfway agree with him. His father would have had a difficult time getting nominated today but not for the reasons that he offers. I suppose he hopes we have forgotten that his father (a) lost the nomination to Reagan in 1980, during which run he accused Reagan of believing in voodoo economics; (b) had a tough struggle to get the nomination in 1988 and got it primarily by running on Reagan's coattails; (c) as President he sold out his base so badly that he was challenged from the right way way way back in those hyperpartisan days of yesteryear known as 1992.

 

Reagan would cruise to the nomination today because what he preached was what we still want. GHW Bush would struggle today just as he did back then because he was a moderate.

20 The most dramatic proposal to cut spending came from Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.), who proposed a $3.1 billion cut to all accounts other than those related to national security and defense. But his proposal was turned away in a 125-293 vote.


That is my Representative.  We had a damned Democrat for a long time and finally got him. Does it sound like he is "going along to get along" just because his district is not an automatic win?


Hell no.

21 Bush betrays the thinking of the elite governing class; "We're all in the same club, why must we bicker?" The idea of fighting for principles just seems... tacky...

22 If you go by the rule that "all politics is local" - how else would Jeb Bush get his name in the paper? It's the McCain Media Strategy, aka look-at-me-I'm-a-squirrel!.

Partisanship - when republicans seek compromise
Nonpartisanship - when republicans capitulate.

(My bet is this is about one issue: amnesty for illegals...)

23

>>>>I halfway agree with him. His father would have had a difficult time getting nominated today but not for the reasons that he offers. I suppose he hopes we have forgotten that his father (a) lost the nomination to Reagan in 1980, during which run he accused Reagan of believing in voodoo economics; (b) had a tough struggle to get the nomination in 1988 and got it primarily by running on Reagan's coattails; (c)asPresident hesold out his base so badly that he was challenged from the right way way way back in those hyperpartisan days of yesteryear known as 1992.

 

Good point. His father was essentially the Jon Huntsman of the 1980 primaires, except H.W. came a lot closer than Huntsman.

God I wish Reagan had picked Kemp instead.

24

Trying to think of a non-angry, "new AOS tone" response to this.

.

.

.

nothin.

25 >>5 Meghan has nicer breasties than Jeb.

Dunno 'bout that. Seen the size of Jebbie lately?

26 "His remarks to a group of reporters and editors at the headquarters of Bloomberg LP in Manhattan were the latest in a series of concerns Bush, one of the best-respected figures in his party, has raised about its current direction"

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Why are reporters and editors asking him anything at all?  Why is he giving press conferences at all?  Is he running for something?  Is he in charge of something that I am not aware of?  As far as I know he is just a private citizen.  So why is he getting press coverage?  Why are they looking for a story from him in the first place?

27 Well, at least Jeb Bush did us the favor of removing himself from the pool of future Republican candidates.


Not that I actually know anyone, personally, who wanted that, but I hear, and read, his name as a recommendation from time to time, and never can quite figure out why...

28 All the damned Bushies should pack up and head back to Kennebunkport, that's where they belong. They can move in with the ME sisters.


And they can take Karl Rove with them.

29 Did we wake up in an alternate reality where Mitt Romney is not the nominee of the Republican party? Because that fact pretty much negates Jeb Bush's entire argument.

30 Meghan and Jeb , two rancid Bushes.

31 "Back to my dad’s time and Ronald Reagan’s time – they got a lot of stuff done with a lot of bipartisan support." --- Like your dad's massive tax increase. As I recall, the compromise was, Democrats got the tax increase, Republicans got a promise of spending cuts. So, um, when did those spending cuts actually happen, Jeb?

32

>> So why is he getting press coverage? Why are they looking for a story from him in the first place?

 

To scare liberals into supporting Obama? Mention the B-word and see them scream??

 

Or he wants a position in the Romney administration and thinks this will help.

33 mama winger you know why...the press loves finding republicans that will speak badly about the party and other republicans......that is the only reason anyone is talking to jeb and meghan.....

34 Jeb isn't half the man his brother is.

35 Now here is the title of a piece over at The Hill: "Axelrod: GOP seizing on 'doing fine' remark to avoid jobs debate." I couldn't read it, as my eyes were tearing up from laughing so hard.

36 Those idiots in the House STILL can't get NPR defunded!!! It's only a few million. By their own admission, they don't need it.

Boehner has to go. If Issa's committee votes to file contempt against Holder and Boehner won't let the vote happen, it's proof we need to do more than elect a Republican to the Presidency. We need a national effort to vote out these liberal wishy washy RINO's.

The ONLY reasons to vote Republican this year is to deny Obama and his cohorts the ability to complete their ruination of the country and to prevent them from solidifying their gains by nominating 2 judges to the SCOTUS.  Expecting any fiscal sanity is wishful thinking.

They will make cosmetic efforts but what they save by cutting some entitlements, they will spend on useless or wasteful Defense spending. (I don't mean Defense spending in general but we are wasting money in the Defense department.) I.E. spending in their districts regardless of the strategic/tactical benefit of the particular program. Plus the procurement procedure needs drastic changes both to get better inventory but to eliminate too much red tape that encourages corruption.

37 So, um, when did those spending cuts actually happen, Jeb? Now, now. There's no need to get all hyper-partisan about it.

38 Am I reading his statement wrong? He clearly says in that quote that he does not define today's Repub party as exclusionary and non compromising. What am I missing? Seems more like a hack reporting job than anything else.

39 Jeb isn't half the a man his brother is.

40 This is definitely one Bush that needs to be shaved...

41 Yeah, but is Jeb strictly dickly?

42

Why are reporters and editors asking him anything at all? Why is he giving press conferences at all? Is he running for something? Is he in charge of something that I am not aware of? As far as I know he is just a private citizen. So why is he getting press coverage? Why are they looking for a story from him in the first place?

 

 

Because of his family name. If he were Jeb Stevens, former governor of Florida, few people would care to ask him.

 

The more interesting question to me is not why they ask him but why he gives them the answers that are then turned around and used against us. He isn't some innocent babe in the woods, he knows exactly what he's saying and how it will be used against us.

43

As to why Jeb is being put on TV. Obama is going to run against a do nothing/obstructionist congress. Therefore the media will need to trot out every "republican/conservative" they can find who is willing to agree to this premise.

Get ready to see David Frum, David Brooks, Kathleen Parker, etc  on news networks non-stop until election day.

Self-hating Republicanism pays, and it's going to pay well in the next 5 months.

44 See what happens when women vote.
/asshattery

45
This is not Wendell Wilkie's Republican Party, either, (h8ers)!

Poor, poor Jeb Bush... outperformed and locked out by his older and "less smart" brother. The butt hurt burn must be intense.

46 Yeah, but is Jeb strictly dickly?

Posted by: Meggie McCain at June 11, 2012 09:18 AM (FOlqu)

I think he's partial to pussy. Or is it he's partly a pussy?

Whatevs.

47 Self-hating Republicanism pays, and it's going to pay well in the next 5 months.

Posted by: Ben at June 11, 2012 09:19 AM (wuv1c)


Hey! It's one of the only industries we have left!

48 I don't think the Republicans are partisan, I just think they stick too much to one side of every issue!!!

49 I realize a lot of people "miss" Dubya, but I ascribe almost all of that to the unprincipled, unqualified and un-vetted traitor who replaced him. Viewed simply by his words and actions, President 43 was sadly lacking in almost every respect. He was squishy as hell.

He was, however, a patriotic American, something Bark Obama is not, and is therefore superior in every way that matters.

That said, I will agree with the lib wackos on one point: no more Bushes, TYVM. Their biggest failing is an excessive need to be liked by every political creature in Washington. Therefore, they will "reach across the aisle" and compromise every chance they get, just like the reviled McCain.

Add to that their pathetic belief in the USA's mandatory role in "nation-building" and sympathy for illegals, and even the most partisan Repubs should realize that putting the Bush family out to pasture is a Good Thing.

50 Reagan would cruise to the nomination today because what he preached was what we still want. GHW Bush would struggle today just as he did back then because he was a moderate.

----------------------

THIS.  Bring the message and they will come.  And Reagan was a master at bringing the message.  He believed it, he articulated it.  What has been proven over and over again, and what keeps getting rejected, is that we don't want marshmallow Republicans anymore.  I would be happy to see R's like Jeb to disappear.  They have contributed to the disastrous leftward drift in this country. 

51 What's Jeb's opinion of Bacon?
He probably doesn't like that either.

52 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

53

I think it's fair to say that the Bush Era is behind us.  The closest the RINOs could come to bringing them back is Romney, and frankly Romney is showing himself to be a far, far tougher implacable opponent to the Left than Sen. McPain or apparently Gov. Bush would ever dream of being.

The Bush Dynasty legacy is hardly stellar: Bush I managed to give the 90's to Bill Clinton, a mere 4 years after Reagan's stunning performance seemed to guarantee conservative rule for a generation.  Bush II did the right thing on foreign policy and responding to 9/11, but let's face it: he opened up the spigots on government spending.  Yes, Obama is the Hoover Dam Collapse of runaway spending, but it was W. that went out of his way to chip a few holes into Reagan's Dam on spending to begin with.  What followed with Obama was predictable.

I'm not interested in a Bush III.  Come to think of it, Presidential dynasties in American history have never worked wall: John Quincy Adams was a one termer just like his Dad, FDR capitalized on Teddy's name to set America on the path to a Welfare State, and the Bush's managed to almost single-handedly undo everything Reagan accomplished domestically.

 

54 Drew: you do remember who Jeb's dad and brother are, yes?

55 — they would have a hard time if you define the Republican party — and I don’t — [\b] as having an orthodoxy that doesn’t allow for disagreement, doesn’t allow for finding some common ground," Guys read that quote...the bold part. He doesn't say what they report he said, actually he says the opposite. It's a hack job by the reporter. Get your nighties unknotted.

56 Bush , the pubic hair in the republican cherry pie.

57

Trying to think of a non-angry, "new AOS tone" response to this

Oh, I know.

 

"We respect your opinion. Thank you for sharing it with us".

58 Personally, I don't agree with this post or the tone, which seems gratuitous. The two parties are going to have to come together somehow to save the republic. The dems are going to have to bend on domestic spending and the repubs are going to have to bend on taxes, and they're all going to have to put their heads together and figure out the Medicare mess and the cost of healthcare in the last 6 months of life, or we're doomed. Simple facts, perhaps inconvenient, so maybe we could revisit the strategy of abuse.

59 shit sorry

60 "Enhance your calm" can become the new FOAD. --- Seconded. Taco Bell, anyone?

61

"We respect your opinion. Thank you for sharing it with us".

 

 

How about, "I'll take that under advisement."

62 Good point. His father was essentially the Jon Huntsman of the 1980 primaires, except H.W. came a lot closer than Huntsman.
God I wish Reagan had picked Kemp instead.

Posted by: Ben at June 11, 2012 09:11 AM (wuv1c)

A fucking men to that.  Poppy Bush was the poison pill of that ticket that had to be put in to keep the country clubbers from jumping ship because of nominating that parvenu Reagan who had the temerity to challenge Gerald Ford and sent them to the fainting couches screaming for warm compresses.  You know, what they always accuse us conservatives of doing yet never have been able to prove?

63 Usually it hurts when a nerve gets struck. The reality is that if Reagan saw and heard some of the ignorant and irrational bilge emanating in this day and age from various hard right cesspools he'd probably barf. So too would Goldwater. Fortunately, however, for every Sharron Angle or Tom Tancredo-style wingnut out there bloviating on the Internet or on talk radio there are a larger number of sentient and rational Republicans.

64 61 Trying to think of a non-angry, "new AOS tone" response to this
Oh, I know.

"We respect your opinion. Thank you for sharing it with us".
---------------

"We respect your opinion.
Thank you for sharing it with us, cockholster."

FIFY.

_

65 McCain Syndrome! I don't give a flyin fig what any Bushie says. The war to win hearts and minds of savages is a failure as was the prescription drug give away that logically led the Marxists to Obamacare. If ya can't pay for it ya should not be able to make other people pay for it for ya.

I think the free cell phones to the Govt Entitled, professional baby makers, don't wanna workers, and too fat, drunk, or drugged to get off the couch, disabled crowd started under Jorge' Bushy and will be used by the Lyin kING to txt and Rock the vote and Rock the Repunk voters this fall!

How many days since the democrat Senate and Obama passed a budget? Repunks fault FOOL?

66 --inchoate sound of soul-rending rage, 'cause that's what all the cool kids are doing these days--

67 E-mail blitz to Mitt Romney's campaign HQ to ignore the Bushes and McCains. My gut tells me that whomever is running the campaign knows this, since they seem to be attacking SCOAMF unlike McLame-o did 4 years ago. Attack, attack, attack. Grab them by the nose and kick them in the ass (rhetorically speaking, of course).

68
52 I don't think the Republicans are partisan, I just think they stick too much to one side of every issue!!!
Posted by: Meggy Mac at June 11, 2012 09:25 AM (6oeYK)


Kind of like how your underwear sticks to you, Ms. Spokeninny for All Things Zaftig?

69 Jeb is not really a RINO. He has no philosophy, all he has is shtick, that he's the "cool head". Everything he says, its just condescending to his peers. Everything he says. It's all he's got. He is the most annoying Republican there is, I have more respect for Murkowski.

70 And that is why there will be no more Bushes in the Whitehouse.  By definition, conservatives want to preserve our constitution and its form of government.  The left wants to change that.  As we started out where we wanted to be, every compromise means we move away from what we want and towards what the left wants.  We have moved so far from what the framers of the constitution designed we are now struggling to return to it.  Lefties have become so strong they now proudly proclaim themselves to be liberal, progressive, socialist or communist.   

71 The two ends of the political spectrum are 'Hard Right Extremist,' and 'Sensible Moderate.'

72 Jeb just twittered me a picture of his boobs. Niiiiiiiiiice.

73

Ha. I agree Mallamut. Enhance You Calm should be a motto here.

74 fwiw, I don't care what Meghan McCain says in exactly the same way that I don't care about the musings of young Master Ezra Klein.

Their writings are entertaining, in the "spot the incoherence" sort of way.  But, c'mon ... deep down, Meghan McCain doesn't care what she says.

Why should I?

75 New: Quiet down Jeb, you aren't helping
Old: Suck my little extremely white.....


See, the New tone is so much nicer. Lacks punch but is calming...........

76
As for being non-angry...

It pleases me, nay, it pleases me immensely, that Jeb Bush will never get "his turn" to be Preznint. It makes me smile, too.

77 Since the Bushes went after Reagan hard as "too extreme", when George the First competed against the Gipper in 1980, this interview is especially ironic. Despicable too. George the Second has been beaten up for years now by the Obamatons. Who knew the Bushes liked it?

78 Bristol Palin is on with kelly
Had no idea the poor girl had told no one about her pregnancy and then, when it was announced on the national stage, was faced with telling everyone, including her grandparents.

79 Cricket at June 11, 2012 09:30 AM (DrC22)

Name ONE time the Democrats AS PUBLIC PARTY POLICY compromised with Republicans.

They DO NOT compromise. Since there's always someone in the Republican party that gets itchy, they ALWAYS find a few to go along with them and booom BIPARTISANSHIP.

They ARE the slippery slope, incrementalism and have patience down to a tee. That the Republicans have been wishy washy and in general actually agree with the Democrats on most every subject is their ultimate weapon. Top that with media whining and flinging mud and the Reps cave.

One step forward and two steps back means your going in REVERSE.

80 First of all I don't think what Jeb Bush said is accurate at all. And Secondly how, by any definition, is what he said helpful. If you can't be helpful such the fuck up and go away. Ya wanna make some points for later generations, get back to me on Nov.7

81 oh....look....catpiss troll is here!

82 Shut up, Jeb. You don't get to be president.

83 By definition, conservatives want to preserve our constitution and its form of government. The left wants to change that. As we started out where we wanted to be, every compromise means we move away from what we want and towards what the left wants.

This.  If your position is that the Constitution limits the government to certain, enumerated powers, and the opposition is that it isn't, where's the compromise? 

People love to say, "Oh, Republicans are going to have to compromise on Taxes, and Democrats are going to have to compromise on spending," but that's crap.  Those may be the battles, but they're not the war.  The war is what kind of government and country we're going to have.  Democrats want a collectivist state, Republicans want a, well, Republic.   You can't really find a "middle ground" between those two.

84 Here is a guy, whose father and brother did more to undermine the Republican party than most democrats, sanctimoniously telling the "ultras" what to do. As a Goldwater supporter I do find the current no compromise philosophy an obstacle to victory in November, but for a Bush to lecture a Conservative Republican is the height of hypocrisy

85 I will happily entertain the notion that accommodation is an appropriate political stance when our budget is balanced and the debt is some small fraction of the GDP.

Until then? Blow me.

86 When economic policies from an ideological fantasyland undermine our prosperity, it's called partisan? 

That's just brutal.

87 This time, the dispute stems from Holder failing to turn over documents subpoenaed on October 12, 2011 in the Fast and Furious "gunwalking" investigation.

The Justice Department has maintained it has cooperated fully with the congressional investigation, turning over tens of thousands of documents and having Holder testify to Congress on the topic at least eight times.

However, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., says the Justice Department has refused to turn over tens of thousands of pages of documents. Those include materials created after Feb. 4, 2011, when the Justice Department wrote a letter to Congress saying no gunwalking had occurred. The Justice Department later retracted the denial.

"The Obama Administration has not asserted Executive Privilege or any other valid privilege over these materials and it is unacceptable that the Department of Justice refuses to produce them. These documents pertain to Operation Fast and Furious, the claims of whistleblowers, and why it took the Department nearly a year to retract false denials of reckless tactics," Issa wrote in an announcement of the vote to be released shortly. It will reveal the vote is scheduled for Wednesday, June 20.

88 66 Good point. His father was essentially the Jon Huntsman of the 1980 primaires, except H.W. came a lot closer than Huntsman. God I wish Reagan had picked Kemp instead. Posted by: Ben at June 11, 2012 09:11 AM (wuv1c) Right on. Imagine how much national pain we would have been saved, had Kemp been the Veep instead of the resume builder, GHWB.

89
Furthermore, as for being non-angry...

I chortle with glee thinking about Meggers McCanns getting jiggy with Poppin' Fresh, the actual Pillsbury Doughboy, who comes equipped with the goods to find her "wet spot". 'Nuff said!

90 They ARE the slippery slope, incrementalism and have patience down to a tee.

Didn't one of them (Soros himself, IIRC) say almost exactly this not too long ago?

91 85 oh....look....catpiss troll is here!

Posted by: phoenixgirl clinging to my bible, gun and coca cola at June 11, 2012 09:36 AM (Ho2rs)

I guess some people learned nothing from what happened on this blog this weekend, but then again, as self absorbed as you are, I"m not the least bit surprised.

92 To be fair, we'd have to get a look at his nipples to make a final determination.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 11, 2012 09:04 AM (Iaxlk)

Wait a minute ... you have seen Meg's nipples?

93

 I guess He wants us to also be a huge tent, where anything is allowed as long as a republican  is given power> ?

and we are not to say otherwise?

so we too can be a party of communists, socialists, anarchists, and in general  ,do not speak of idealogies that are antehtitical to americans freedoms, or constitutional rights, being outside principles?

94 96 catpiss troll you really are that thick aren't you?

95 93 Posted by: faith at June 11, 2012 09:36 AM (oZfic)

You should Enhance your Calm..........in a Fire.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 11, 2012 09:39 AM (OWjjx)

You learned nothing too.  Should there be a fire in my abode, you'll be the very first person the police and fdny question.

96 btw - in the spirit of non-anger.

'Battle of the Network Stars' from the 70s is being run from time to time.For the old timers, it'll bring back memories. 

For the young ones, you'll have a window into a time when general, actual television stars actually competed against each other in sporting events.  (Tom Selleck running a leg of the 440, Scott Baio doing the obstacle course, Charlene Tilton doing ... something ... while wearing a tank top.)   Howard Cosell does the announcing.

Good times.   Good times.

97 aw....it learned a new word! abode!......

98 mallamutt uh oh....you're in it's dossier now!

99 phoenix girl:

could someone explain why the h8 towards oZfic?

She's no 100 watt bulb but seems innocuous enough so I don't understand the intensity and the desire to point.

I'm not judging or being critical, just wondering what went on that I must have missed.

100 103 aw....it learned a new word! abode!......

Posted by: phoenixgirl clinging to my bible, gun and coca cola at June 11, 2012 09:42 AM (Ho2rs)

It's obvious you have no respect for ace whatsoever. 

101

"would have had a difficult time getting nominated by today's ultra-conservative Republican Party."

Weird statement, I voted for Howard Dean, John Kerry, Al Gore... then starting 2008 I voted for McPalin, in 2010, I donated and supported people like Ron Johnson, Marco Rubio, Colonel Allen West, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, etc.

Maybe Jeb hasn't figured out, its not the right who's the problem, its the left, the "Democratic" party that has moved to the very far left. There was a time when both the dem and repub parties were all right of center, the overlap between the 2 parties was big, now its the left that has gone very very far left, so when viewing from that perspective, the right looks "ultraconservative", which in reality its not, people like Sharron Angle I cannot support, but people like Paul Ryan, etc can sell conservativsm in a calm articulate way.

I'm so sick of the Bushes, I hate dynasties. No more Bushes, no more Clintons, no more Kennedies. Get real people who love this country elected.

102 Their writings are entertaining, in the "spot the incoherence" sort of way. But, c'mon ... deep down, Meghan McCain doesn't care what she says.
Why should I?
Posted by: BumperStickerist at June 11, 2012 09:35 AM

Miss McCain does not have a deep down.  She has a thick layer of insulation, though.

103
Point of order regarding our New Tone:

Does it mean that FYNQ is no longer an acceptable retort?

104 Barack Obama is a Stuttering...wait, you know that.

St. Anger was a really crappy...wait, that wasn't what he was talking about.

No more Bushes, Kennedys, or other political families...straight on.

And finally...never mistake the expression of sad resolve for anger.

105

what exact partisan is he speaking of? that we're we are demanding public servants be held accountable to their decisions ? That they be held to the same standards as the rest of us? that when they don't follow through on the platform they sold us with that we would liike them to find a new job eleswherre?

That they represent American citizens and America and not their own interests?

106
Bush said that Mitt Romney's move to channel Republicans' anger over immigration in the primary has put him "in somewhat of a box" in the general election. He advised Romney to offer a "broader and more intense" approach to the issue. He suggested Romney continue to campaign in Hispanic communities, that he recast immigration as an economic issue, and that he focus on the question of education.





Not to worry, Homes.  El Dream Acto del Republicano is on its way.

Posted by: Your Republican Party

107 Does it mean that FYNQ is no longer an acceptable retort?

I hope not, EYCNIP (enhance your calm, next inquiry, please) just doesn't have the same zip.

108 My biggest beef with zofic is the thread hijacking. Never stays on the subject of the post.

109 could someone explain why the h8 towards oZfic? --- Sometimes, passive-aggressive concern trolling is even more obnoxious than in-yer-face Gerg-style trolling.

110 what exact partisan is he speaking of? that we're we are demanding public servants be held accountable to their decisions ? That they be held to the same standards as the rest of us? that when they don't follow through on the platform they sold us with that we would liike them to find a new job eleswherre?
That they represent American citizens and America and not their own interests? Posted by: willow at June 11, 2012 09:45 AM

I'm pretty sure that's hate speech.  We should consult the style guide.

111 bitter h8? i don't h8 it... let's begin... it threatened myself and a number of morons with outing them it claims to keep a dossier on a number of morons it said that this blog should be reported to national security it mocked jane d'oh.....said that jane rides on the coat tails of her son's service to our country it told one moron that it was a shame his daughter was a slut and would need the gardisil shot

112

This time, the dispute stems from Holder failing to turn over documents subpoenaed on October 12, 2011 in the Fast and Furious "gunwalking" investigation.

The Justice Department has maintained it has cooperated fully with the congressional investigation, turning over tens of thousands of documents and having Holder testify to Congress on the topic at least eight times.

 

 

At this point I think the best course of action is to protect the documents from the shredders which will likely be working overtime if this clown car adminstration loses in November.

113 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 11, 2012 09:04 AM (CP+yl) Perfect analysis, thank you. I would have said something similar, but you beat me to it. Just as well since I have a broken hand and typing is hard...

114 115 My biggest beef with zofic is the thread hijacking. Never stays on the subject of the post.

Posted by: Museisluse at June 11, 2012 09:46 AM (sjB5Y)

In this particular instance, time was of the essence, that's usually when I post off topic.   Bristol Palin was being interviewed right then, I stumbled upon the interview and was very impressed by her poise and honesty.

115 Sometimes, passive-aggressive concern trolling is even more obnoxious than in-yer-face Gerg-style trolling.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 11, 2012 09:46 AM (gPDxp)

As Ace now encourages:  OMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...

116 In his defense, Megan McCain is really really really really hot. It's rare in a women where a few extra pounds go to all the right places and then some. Did I mention she's hot?

117 could someone explain why the h8 towards oZfic?

Combination of dubious linking habits, questionable tone, and borderline concern troll commentary.  Personally I don't have a huge problem, as I'm more than able to simply ignore it (as I'm certain many do with me).

118 My congress critter with his 90+ ACU rating is so extreme that he voted to raise the debt limit in exchange for a shiny, several times.

119

"I hate dynasties. No more Bushes, no more Clintons, no more Kennedies."

 

No More Adams Family!

 

ok, that was a long time ago...

120 Have you guys read the quote? Please tell me where I'm misunderstanding where he says that he DOES NOT believe the party is a bunch of uncompromising jerks. Oh and curious your thing about Bristol is completely wrong. Family and close friends all knew before it broke on tv.

121 I'm not judging or being critical, just wondering what went on that I must have missed.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 11, 2012 09:43 AM (CP+yl)

It's insulted a number of regular posters and then lied about it.  I agree that some of its posts are innocuous enough now but you can't undo what's done.  ace won't ban it so we're stuck with it; but that doesn't mean we have to like it.

122 it said all girls from small towns were sluts it went after posters here that are converts to catholic.....claiming that they only converted to undermine the faith

123 Compassionate conservatism and 'read my lips' sure looks an awful lot like progressivism lite to me.
 
No thanks, Jeb.
 
OT -- Breitbart has an article up describing the inaugural winners of the BB Awards. No mention of reading ace's letter:
 
http://preview.tinyurl.com/d6luu55

124 >>Cheeseburgers rule, and they aren't partisan either.

There's only one party telling me I shouldn't be allowed to eat them.

125
I guess some people learned nothing from what happened on this blog this weekend


Shut the **** up.

126 Posted by: phoenixgirl clinging to my bible, gun and coca cola at June 11, 2012 09:47 AM (Ho2rs)

OH. Gotcha.

The last two clinched it for me. Thanks for the recap.

The h8tr part was tongue in cheek. I assumed their was justification.

127 it has posted as a man but now claims it's female it posted ghey pron on a sunday morning telling everyone.....you have to see this link....and then claimed that it had no idea that the link was pron as it's "trusted friend" has sent the link to it and it just posted it blindly....

128 I will say this about George HW and George W, and it probably applies to the whole family. They are pro-American and exceedingly decent. Also, as politicians go, they were amazingly free of corruption. Case in point: The MSM gave W eight years of intense hatred and minute scrutiny and all they could come up with is a tiny handful of pseudo-scandals like the Plame affair. But I do not like their politics, their way of approaching things. The minute GW Bush pronounced the phrase "compassionate conservatism" I resolved not to vote for him EVER. Okay, I broke that resolution in 2004. But in 2000, if Gore had not been pro-partial-birth-abortion, I would have voted for him. I figured the GOP Congress would be more conservative with a Dem president than with a Bush. As it was, I did not vote for president that year. I like GHW and GW a lot, a whole lot, but......

129

"There's only one party telling me I shouldn't be allowed to eat them."

 

That's because their LGBT wing wants to see you eating tacos instead.

 

 

130 Jeb no doubt feels spurned. The meme in the Bush world is that Jeb should have been POTUS over George. Life's a beech, Jeb. I would love for him to define "bi-partisan." I do believe that means compromise with the people in mind, not the politicians and their cronies. What this statement also says is: Jeb has no idea who we are. And, he's afraid, as most RINO's and "moderates" are. RINO's and moderates are people who seriously only look out for themselves and their own.

131 97 To be fair, we'd have to get a look at his nipples to make a final determination.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 11, 2012 09:04 AM (Iaxlk)

Wait a minute ... you have seen Meg's nipples?

Posted by: Long Island at June 11, 2012 09:40 AM (kzp9t)

Damned near poked my eyes out.

132 You know what, I'm not even going to read this right now as I know it's going to piss me the hell off and I prefer to not start a rainy Monday morning like that.

Hello, asswipes.

133 it mocks secretaries.....it thinks i'm one it mocks people who work at walmart...it thinks i work there it mocks blonds...it thinks i'm one it's on the ace facebook page and admitted it was enjoying the fact that no one there knew who it was and it was enjoying looking at their personal information gathering info on them

134 Dear Jeb, Bush Sr. was no conservative. He rightly would have trouble getting the nomination. Reagan wouldn't be too liberal - he'd be attacked as too 'conservative' with Romney being the 'moderate choice that voters would accept.' Jackass. Jeb needs to shut his damn piehole. I'm absolutely sick of the Bushes.

135 To hell with squishes like Bush! Fuck their grand bargains, their love for bipartisanship, for compromise, and their whimpering mentions of compassion. How did the right thing get done in Wisconsin? Not by reaching across the aisle. Do that, and they'll bite off your hand.

136 118 bitter

h8? i don't h8 it...

let's begin...

it threatened myself and a number of morons with outing them

it claims to keep a dossier on a number of morons

it said that this blog should be reported to national security

it mocked jane d'oh.....said that jane rides on the coat tails of her son's service to our country

it told one moron that it was a shame his daughter was a slut and would need the gardisil shot

Posted by: phoenixgirl clinging to my bible, gun and coca cola at June 11, 2012 09:47 AM (Ho2rs)

Never threatened anyone in my life.  You decided that I threatened someone.

You love to change word meanings and words around for your own purposes, you are a very manipulative poster.  I've been looking at your comments, they usually mock someone else, you add little substantive discourse and behave like a 7th grade girl (apologies to 7th grade girls).

I did not mock jane d'oh, I simply said that jane boils herself down to "my son is in the military" and not much else (at the time, it was over a year ago)

The comment about guardisil was not directed at a specific moron at all.  It was directed at the group who would receive the shot in general.

NOTHING I'VE EVER SAID ON THIS BLOG EVEN CAME CLOSE TO THIS, THIS IS AN OUT AN OUT LIE: 

"it said that this blog should be reported to national security"

For whatever reason, you have created this attack against me.  I'm sure, were you in my position, with some old lady stranger attacking you, you'd be uncomfortable too.   I try to ignore you but you lie constantly about me and the lies get more and more.  It will be very interesting when we have to rgister on this blog, you'll have to use your real identity and say these things to me.

137 "Oppressed and manipulated" multi-millionaire Lauryn Hill mystified over the IRS not accepting her excuse for not filing taxes for 3 years. Ms. Hill was forced to "go underground" to protect herself and her family......ummmm...........from.......well..........not exactly sure who from. She doesn't really say.

138 oh....it really hates old people...which is anyone older than it....and we've figured based on what it has said that it's in it's 30's

139 >>That's because their LGBT wing wants to see you eating tacos instead.

That's actually what I'm making for dinner tonight.  Bring your own tequila.

140
This crap I expect from from Meggy McDouble-Mac.  Jeb I do not.

Getting along is appropriate when the parties agree on the goals but differ on the path to get there.

The 21st Century progressives do not share my goals, my beliefs, or what I view as what my country should be.  IMHO.... they are diametrically opposed and antithetical to what I believe.

Co-operation and accommodation are not appropriate in that situation.  Undoing and beating back are called for. 

Jeb should know better.

Meggy is incapable of knowing better.

141

I would love for him to define "bi-partisan." I do believe that means compromise with the people in mind, not the politicians and their cronies.

 

"Bi-Partisan" is sort of like being "bi-sexual."  It just ain't right.
The Left NEVER "compromises" on their goals... they just take the past of least resistance when necessary, and continue to press relentlessly onwards like ocean waves gradually wearing down a seaside cliff.  That's how Reagan's legacy - seemingly a veritable mountain of success - was dispensed with in a mere 2 decades.

142 Read my lips. No new Bush's. He's right: There's no room in the Republican Party for Democrat Tax-And-Spenders like George H.W. Bush and Jeb Bush. Fuck them. Let them run as Democrats if they want to be in the political arena. They're not welcome in the Republican Party because they frame everything as "we need to comprise with the Democrats to get things done" and not "the Democrats need to compromise with us to get things done."

143 First Snipes, now Hill....the IRS is raaaaaacist.

144 it's announced that while it's the youngest poster on the blog.....it's the most educated and smartest but then it told us that it couldn't get admitted into the college of it's choice...because...it refused to get vaccinated..... and all of it's friends that got the gardisil shot....had horrible side effects ......... and it never listens to beck but it constantly tells us what beck said, what was on his show....

145 Hello, asswipes Someone did not get the memo on the new civility, Morning, asswipe.......... ------------------------------------ Not gonna flag that. Does not fall under the statute barring personal attacks. Collective "terms of endearment" will be allowed.

146 143 it mocks secretaries.....it thinks i'm one

it mocks people who work at walmart...it thinks i work there

it mocks blonds...it thinks i'm one

it's on the ace facebook page and admitted it was enjoying the fact that no one there knew who it was and it was enjoying looking at their personal information gathering info on them

Posted by: phoenixgirl clinging to my bible, gun and coca cola at June 11, 2012 09:54 AM (Ho2rs)

You know, I read all this stuff that you made up because you have no reading comprehension skills or possibly, because you are a vindictive mean person who deliberately wants to ruin the tone of the blog.  You have no respect for ace whatsoever, you could have dropped this yet you picked it up right where you left off, cause, really it's all about you right?  You can't sublimate your own desires for the benefit of someone else right?  You can't just ignore me for ace's sake and the sake of the blog, that would be too difficult for you?

147 I think the other issue here is that there are some among the Republican establishment who are now sensing a real opportunity for a takeover in November and are preparing for the next significant battle which will not be against the Democrats but against the conservatives. It would really suck for your party to take control of the government only to lose control of the party to a bunch of toothless hick retards who actually believe in quaint notions like limited government.

148 it's on the ace facebook page and admitted it was enjoying the fact that no one there knew who it was and it was enjoying looking at their personal information gathering info on them --- You mean... it say my 'Lt. Uhura' post? I feel so violated.

149 Folks should take Bush's comments as what they are--the middle finger to all who believe the GOP squandered the chances it has had since the mid-90s, and furthermore a declaration of intent that the Establishment GOP has no intention of taking needed stances on needed issues if they are going to *fundamentally* threaten the Progressives. That the GOP will always fold first. It seems like it is a statement that the GOP will be Nixon's--more liberal on domestic policy than some previous liberals. Except without the overriding cause of anti-Communism to make the pill go down easy.

150 BREAKING Over at Drudge: House set to vote to hold Steadman in contempt.

151

"it told one moron that it was a shame his daughter was a slut and would need the gardisil shot"

 

Anyone got pics of the daughter?

 

Thx.

 

 

 

152 Is SCOTUS announcing anything? I don't have TV and it doesn't appear to be on CSPAN.

153

They're not welcome in the Republican Party because they frame everything as "we need to comprise with the Democrats to get things done" and not "the Democrats need to compromise with us to get things done."

-----

Thats true. Not one single molecule of shit is good on a sandwich.

154 I guess Jeb would like to change the definition of "Big Tent" to "Pup Tent." *O'Barky nods and drools with pleasure.

155 147 Hello, asswipes

Someone did not get the memo on the new civility,

Morning, asswipe..........

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 11, 2012 09:55 AM (OWjjx)

 

Must be a lot of asswipes on here.  This makes me angry.

156 i just pointed out you were here.....hi curious!

157 Note how when criticizing Republicans -- Jeb becomes (to Buzzfeed) "one of the most respected" Republicans.

And, for evidence of how great compromising with Dems is, Clueless Jeb cites his Dad's violation of "Read My Lips," which was a GRAND COMPROMISE! with Democrats... with which they promptly bludgeoned GHWBush out of office.  Gosh, that was a GREAT idea, Jeb!

Someone keep that idiot away from the mics for a few months.  Someone tell him he'll never be President.

158 160 It seems like it is a statement that the GOP will be Nixon's--more liberal on domestic policy than some previous liberals. Except without the overriding cause of anti-Communism to make the pill go down easy. Posted by: NULL SET at June 11, 2012 09:59 AM (E5L/H) THIS. Really boils down what today's GOP is.

159

anyway i would love some clarity on his idea of partisanship.

if he wants to reach across the aisle becuase it's easier  and he doesn't want to upset the applecart, (or to have any standards at all) why have two parties at all?

Jeb, exactly what is a republican platform to you?

what is a Dem platform to you?

160

Can someone answer this? I never understood the whole "compassionate conservative" line.... it makes it seem like conservatism is not compassionate. But from everthing I've read and now understand conservatism is implicitly compassionate, it allows people the freedom to pursue their ideas, etc.

I've been to several tea party events, most people I met there understood, there is a safety net needed, but not a welfare state, in fact from everthing I've read, its the fiscal conservatives of the tea party who seem to understand that social programs like SS, etc need to be reformed to preserve it; we don't need more govt programs, many need to be gotten rid of off, and the ones that remain, make them work better with the understanding that they depend on other people's money, so there is a balance required.

Did GWB and Rove realise that because they framed "compassionate conservatism" the way they did, they played into the liberal/progressive's framing of what conservatism is? Its not like just throwing the needy to the wolves, which is how liberals/progs tend to frame it. I never understand why Rove framed it that way. I liked Palin's phrasing much better "common sense conservatism".

161 So Phoenixgirl; tell us how you REALLY feel?

Sorry to have stirred the pot that apparently struck a chord with you.

Now. Take deep breaths and count to 50 between each one.

You'll either pass out or feel calmer. Either way odds are the last few minutes will recede in importance.

Remember DEEP breaths.

162 163 Is SCOTUS announcing anything? I don't have TV and it doesn't appear to be on CSPAN. Posted by: Scobface at June 11, 2012 09:59 AM (IoNBC) Possibly AZ immigration bill. Earliest for SCOAMF-death-care I think is probably a week to 10 days.

163 150- "That's actually what I'm making for dinner tonight. Bring your own tequila." Margarita is invited!!!

164

Posted by: faith at June 11, 2012 09:55 AM (oZfic)

 

We respect your opinion. Thank you for sharing it with us.

165 House set to vote to hold Steadman in contempt. ------------- Holder! booyah! hooyay! oo-la-la

166 Faith...you are an idiot.

167 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 11, 2012 09:59 AM (MCDCp)

Yeah... in 9 days.  How many "last chances" is he going to get?  (I'll believe they'll actually vote only after the results of said voting become public).

168 About Bush's Ronald Reagan bit--Reagan in fact would have been loved by the rank and file today, because he fought.

169 Not to interrupt a good rant, but in that first blockquote the first paragraph (what BuzzFeed heard) isn't really supported by the second (what Jeb Bush actually said). I mean, it's BuzzFeed fer chrissakes. That said, Jeb should've been smart enough to lay off this pitch.

170
Jeb's interview was at a Bloomberg View breakfast, and Bloomberg had a few more quotes:

Bush, whose wife was born in Mexico and who made his business career in a multicultural South Florida before election as governor in 1998, said: “I do feel a little out of step with my party on this. That doesn’t mean I don’t believe what I believe.. so what, It’s OK, isn’t it?

“I hope we don’t all have this march… if someone is a conservative or a liberal, we’re sent this little book that says, ‘you must not veer.”’

171 155 it's announced that while it's the youngest poster on the blog.....it's the most educated and smartest

but then it told us that it couldn't get admitted into the college of it's choice...because...it refused to get vaccinated.....

and all of it's friends that got the gardisil shot....had horrible side effects .........

and it never listens to beck but it constantly tells us what beck said, what was on his show....

Posted by: phoenixgirl clinging to my bible, gun and coca cola at June 11, 2012 09:59 AM (Ho2rs)

I know you try to assert that things are true becasue they are your interpretation of words but that doesn't make them true.   Manipulation is your stock and trade.  At times I've wondered if you are a lib cause you often say things which do not sound conservative in the least bit, but, that's rare for you, to offer something of substance, with actual information.  Generally, you enjoy attacking others on the blog, not just myself.  I often think your trying to discourage people from posting or being involved here.  They see the attacks on me and think "I'll just lurk".  That is wholly unfair to ace. 

172 First the COMMITTEE has to vote, then it goes to the House to schedule a vote.

My guess is that Boehner won't set a date. He's gutless and scared of what Holder and Obama will do.

173 willow crossing the aisle is what has gotten the country in trouble...because it's the gop crossing the aisle not the dems.....jeb is living in the dream world that his father and brother live in.....and we got clinton from the dad and obama from W......

174

"My biggest beef with zofic is the thread hijacking. Never stays on the subject of the post."

I will admit to doing the same thing but only because I am very distractable and generally enthusiastic about whatever has caught my attention at the moment. SQUIRREL!

175 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 11, 2012 10:02 AM (8y9MW) Well, it seems that if Issa is calling for a vote of contempt of congress, then the last chance was last week? Am I wrong?

176 I view the "contempt vote" as a compromise. They should be impeaching him for perjury and then filing criminal charges for violation of gun control statutes resulting in murder.

Take that Bushie.

177 Okay. 185 answered it. Cry baby Boner will torpedo it so as not to hurt anyone's feelings. The establishment has got to fucking go.

178 My guess is that Boehner won't set a date. He's gutless and scared of what Holder and Obama will do.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 11, 2012 10:03 AM (CP+yl)

---------------------

The article says next week.

179 172- AMEN!

180 189 Vic. Fuckin' A, bubba.

181 they are your words....that you type....deal with it.....

182 Dear Jeb,

Go fuck yourself.  If you want to be in politics, I recommend Mexico.

183 Vic, that's the vote of the COMMITTEE. Not the Whole House.

184 THIS. Really boils down what today's GOP is.

"Today's GOP", aside from the vanishing few with conservative cred, is a go-along to get-along crew looking for their piece of the pie in districts where Democrats can't get elected, so they flag themselves as "different" (but not too different, mind you).

Oh, and "bi-partisan" implies collaboration.  IYKWIMAITYD.

185 He just needs to sit back, give the Bush name a rest, and prepare his son for his inevitable political future.

His son will excite the youth and Hispanics the way Rubio excites the ewok.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_P._Bush

186 It would really suck for your party to take control of the government only to lose control of the party to a bunch of toothless hick retards who actually believe in quaint notions like limited government.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 11, 2012 09:59 AM (JxMoP)

One of the most under-reported outcomes of Scott Walker's victory (and of the California local initiatives cutting back public employee pensions and benefits) is that a conservative message well presented isn't the losing strategy that the squishes promulgate.

187

"the Establishment GOP has no intention of taking needed stances on needed issues if they are going to *fundamentally* threaten the Progressives."

 

Needed issues which fundamentally threaten Progressives?

 

How about "needed issues" which fundamentally threaten the very existence of the nation?

 

Like 100+ Trillion Dollars in social spending promises which there is no way/no how can ever possibly be honored?

 

Like 60+ Million Illegal Infiltrator Mexican Injun Peasants who speak languages like Nahuatl, Mixtec, and Zapotec, and who plop out anchor babies as though they were rabbits?

 

Like a runaway Federal Reserve which has made trillions upon trillions of dollars in deals which the Congress has never approved?

 

How about a simmering problem with Dar Al Islam in Dearbornistan and Detroitistan which is about to boil over into overt violence?

 

How about a Naval Bureaucracy which thinks its gonna contain the Chinese Tiger with Littoral Ships and the F-35?!?

 

Sheesh.

 

Screw the progressives.

 

The whole country is about to collapse.

 

 

 

188 Jeb Bush is the GOP's Ted Kennedy without the murder, betrayal of country and general ass-hattery

189 I guess Jeb would like to change the definition of "Big Tent" to "Pup Tent." --- The only small tent in the Republican Party is the one Arnold got in his trousers when his maid bent over.

190 We nominated McMaverick and MittCare and Bob Dole, but Jeb thinks we wouldn't have nominated Reagan?  Need evidence, please.  And need microphone-seeking pols to stick a sock in it for 5 months.

The lefties will have to pick a side, though.  Was Reagan a far-rightwing hyper-Con military-industrial-goon, or was he a moderate compromiser, so much more civil and reasonable than the present-day GOP?  I wouldn't mind seeing a few lefty heads explode, trying to re-write their programming of the last 30 years!

191 OK, they said "congress" so I thought they were scheduling the full vote.

192 sigh, perhaps we should make a thread for ozfic each and every morning , so that the rest of the day might be about the post- or boobs, or seks, or how i really want to use a conditioner on ace's coat- and pehaps buy him contacts so he can read comments.

193

we don't need more govt programs, many need to be gotten rid of off, and the ones that remain, make them work better with the understanding that they depend on other people's money, so there is a balance required.

 

 

I think one of the most astute comments I've read over here in a while was the person who made the point that the federal government tells visitors to national parks not to feed the wild animals because they stop looking for food and become dependent on human, but the same federal government creates massive welfare programs for human beings under the proposition that they need help because they can't take care of themselves.

194 We're going to have just as much trouble purging the Bushes from the Republican Party as the Democrats did with the Kennedys until they all died.  They don't want to give up what they see as their birthright.  Unfortunately, we're probably going to have Jeb Bush lobbing grenades like this until he dies too.

195 they are your words....that you type....deal with it.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl clinging to my bible, gun and coca cola at June 11, 2012 10:05 AM (Ho2rs)

When you take what I've written, out of context and decide I said something that I didn't then I have to call you out, you are the one creating trouble.  You are the one disrespecting ace.

196 No Jeb Bush for me. I'm sick of the Bush's

197 rockmom and meggie...she'll be around for a long time.....so between jeb and her.....ugh.....

198 I hate these kind of comments from Republicans because it is a transparent "oh I am a 'good' Republican not one of those weirdo snake handler racists" ploy. Seriously dude? You wanted Crist, didn't you?

199 189 I view the "contempt vote" as a compromise. == I'm pretty sure this is the first step. What happens next should be interesting.

200 #202, LOL, great minds think alike!

201 Here is my personal solution to the cat piss troll. Once upon a time, I played a lot of online poker before Congress in their infinite wisdom declared it illegal. One of the features of the software was a mute button that you could click on for any commenter that irked you.
 
Thereafter, every comment by the muted ones were displayed to you as **************.
 
The peace and quiet of asterisks. No temptation to respond to drivel. I mentally asterisk everything she posts, thereby enhancing my f*cking calm. YMMV

202 So the man who fired the Air Traffic Controllers Union would be some Great Compromiser today?  I see no evidence of that.

203 your words......you typed them.....

204

I thinkone of the most astute comments I've read over here in a while wasthe person whomade the point that the federal government tells visitors to national parks not to feed the wild animals because theystop looking for food and become dependent on human, but the same federal government creates massive welfare programs for human beings under the proposition that theyneed helpbecause they can't take care of themselves.

----

I remember pasting that. Oops. Outed myself.

205 206 sigh, perhaps we should make a thread for ozfic each and every morning , so that the rest of the day might be about the post- or boobs, or seks, or how i really want to use a conditioner on ace's coat- and pehaps buy him contacts so he can read comments.

Posted by: willow at June 11, 2012 10:08 AM (TomZ9)

Look at the comments, over and over, it's always phoenix who attacks me, I ignore her until you decides to reinterpret something I've said, for her own purposes, which I'm beginning to think is to create tension on this blog.

206 Well, it seems that if Issa is calling for a vote of contempt of congress, then the last chance was last week?

Issa can cancel that vote right up until it's actually been taken.  I don't believe that even the committee will vote, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

207 On the Steadman thing, could Boehner be worried about pulling attention away from the economy? I think BO and the publicity arm of the democratics would love to have a shiny new toy "racism on Holder!!" to yammer about.

208

Just read on Michelle Malkin's tweet, the DeathCare ruling by the Supreme Ct will be today.

Can anyone confirm this? I'm looking over the internets for confirmation.

209

Posted by: faith at June 11, 2012 10:09 AM (oZfic)

 

We respect your opinion. Thank you for sharing it with us

 

210 Live blogging the impending SCOTUS announcements at SCOTUSBLOG

http://is.gd/lKMXzh

211

"Jeb Bush is the GOP's Ted Kennedy without the murder, betrayal of country and general ass-hattery"

 

In re: Jeb Bush and the question of murder, I got only two words for ya...

 

TERRY. SCHIAVO.

 

'nuff said.

 

212 So the man who fired the Air Traffic Controllers Union would be some Great Compromiser today? I see no evidence of that.

Posted by: Bang Out Of Order at June 11, 2012 10:10 AM (1H47k)

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That and Nancy Pelosi and Hary Reid aint exactly Tip O'Neil.....

213 I'm pretty sure this is the first step.

What happens next should be interesting.

Posted by: take 'im down at June 11, 2012 10:10 AM (HOOye)

If by "interesting" you mean "on behalf of Republicans, we apologize", I'll have to agree with that.

214

phoenix. i agree I don't know that there has been any across the aisle from Dems , the last i remember was going to war back in 2001, which they than did a 100 degree turn around and accuse Bush of all manner of 'doing it wrong' and those poooor terrorist are being hurt!

 

 

i will never trust them again.

even at the cost of lives they used ANYTHING to try to win the next election.

215 OT on Bryson: "WASHINGTON (AP) — Commerce Secretary John Bryson suffered a seizure in connection with two traffic accidents in the Los Angeles area that left him injured and unconscious, the government said Monday." "A Commerce Department official said Bryson was on personal time and did not have any security detail at the time of the accidents. He was driving his own vehicle and was given medication to treat the seizure. Bryson was cited for a felony hit-and-run tied to two Los Angeles-area traffic crashes on Saturday, although he has not been formally charged." Fishy wording. The seizure was "in connection" with the accidents. Did he have the seizure AFTER the hit and runs as a result of the impacts, or did the seizure cause them? When was he given the medication? They'll never prosecute. Big cover-up on its way.

216 211 No Jeb Bush for me. I'm sick of the Bush's

Posted by: Michael Babbitt at June 11, 2012 10:09 AM (p/jtE)

 

I like bush.  Also, I like turtles.

217 I am very protective of ace and want him to do well and that's why I provide the important public service of comment thread piñata.

218 I missed this on Friday.  But, from the DOOM! Files:

http://fxn.ws/LAtqhl

Stagflation is here.  (not that it's news to us, really, but it's nice that other people are catching on)

219 ofgs.

220 226 Thanks--I had forgotten about them.

221 How the hell did "Massachusetts Moderate" Mitt win the nomination then?

222

"today's ultra-conservative Republican Party."

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Now thats some funneh shit right there.

 

223 218 your words......you typed them.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl clinging to my bible, gun and coca cola at June 11, 2012 10:10 AM (Ho2rs)

See, you misinterpret and take out of context...you manipulate.  You manipulate constantly.  That's not a person who wants to contribute to the tone of a blog, to make it a nice experience, that's a person who wants to ruin something.  If you are a lurker/reader and you might want to say something, you think in the back of your mind, will phoenix attack me like she attacks that other commenter?  And then you decide not to post.  That is wholly unfair to ace, wholly unfair.

You have not learned a thing from this past weekend and you think, with the blog hierarchy, that you are somehow better than everyone else and enjoy a status that allows you to abuse others and get away with that verbal abuse.  That's not a team player, phoenix, that's someone who wants to hurt the blog.

224 "Jeb Bush is the GOP's Ted Kennedy without the murder, betrayal of country and general ass-hattery" He's still young. Give it time.

225

phoenixgirl - not many thnings get my blood boiling more than a Bush saying anything about Reagan.  I worked in the Reagan administration and briefly in the Bush Administration before they finished the purge of all the Reagan people.  And I mean all, there was nobody left.  They couldn't wait to show everyone how much smarter and better they were than those yahoos who worked for the stupid movie actor.  It was revolting.  They got rid of a lot of mid-level appointees who could have helped them, but they were determined to have all Bush people in every agency.  And we all saw how well that worked! 

 

They are a vindictive bunch of assholes. 

226

How the hell did "Massachusetts Moderate" Mitt win the nomination then?
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Exactly. ONLY rhinos get nominated, but the rhinos complain they are underrepresented.

227

"Fishy wording. The seizure was "in connection" with the accidents. Did he have the seizure AFTER the hit and runs as a result of the impacts, or did the seizure cause them? When was he given the medication? "

I thought the same thing, was the seizure as a result of the accidents or was it a cause of the accidents? I find it strange, that if he had a seizsure, hit a car, kept driving then hit the same car again, kept driving, and then hit another car and then passed out.

228 223- "On the Steadman thing, could Boehner be worried about pulling attention away from the economy? I think BO and the publicity arm of the democratics would love to have a shiny new toy "racism on Holder!!" to yammer about." YES. Boehner SHOULD be worried about that. Very worried. Thanks to the MSM's silence, the average swing voter knows nothing about Fast and Furious. They will not understand the "attack" on Holder. Congress must proceed carefully.

229

Just read on Michelle Malkin's tweet, the DeathCare ruling by the Supreme Ct will be today.

 

 

Would be surprising to me. I assumed they'd hold off one this one until the very last day because it's going to overshadow every other ruling they issue.

230 Yes curious, it's always phoenix's fault you aren't held in the same high esteem by the rest of us as ace holds you.  She has the rest of us under her spell.  If you had any sense you wouldn't post idiocy like that.

231 They'll never prosecute. Big cover-up on its way.

Seizure or mini-stroke was the first thing I thought of when I heard the reports, actually.  He got out and talked to the people in the car he initially hit, and they obviously didn't think there was anything wrong enough with him to call 911 until after he'd hit their car a second time.

I suspect his brain was firing on enough cylinders to have a conversation, but not enough that he should have been driving.  The problem with driving impaired being, of course, that you're often too impaired to realize you shouldn't be driving.

232 Quit using my own lies and attacks against me! It's not fair and stuff!

233 Sheesh, sometimes I feel like we need to ban ozfic just to keep the rest of you clowns from gratuitously hijacking threads to talk about her/him/it. This is one of those times.

234 "The seizure was "in connection" with the accidents. Did he have the seizure AFTER the hit and runs as a result of the impacts, or did the seizure cause them?" This is spot on. The cover-up has already begun. The other fishy thing is the LA Times reported that he'd been cited for felony hit-and-run (that is, charged.) CNN reports that there is only an investigation (no charges). POOF. Story just changed without explanation. Guy gets off Scot-free.

235

Hmmm.... Jeb, a Bush, does not realize that his brother helped create a much larger, more powerful Government?  through 'cooperation'?

 

 

You CANNOT compromise with Progresives.  They ALWAYS move the bar their direction, and the only compromise Republicans have done in the last 100 years, is how much to move that bar in the Dem direction... not which DIRECTION to move it.

 

 

Many of us out here recognize that we've 'progressed' too far...

236 In re: Jeb Bush and the question of murder, I got only two words for ya... TERRY. SCHIAVO. 'nuff said. Posted by: Zombie Shane at June 11, 2012 10:13 AM (JW/aG) From Wiki "On October 15, 2003, Schiavo's feeding tube was removed. Within a week, when the Schindlers' final appeal was exhausted, State Rep. Frank Attkisson and the Florida Legislature hastily passed "Terri's Law," giving Governor Jeb Bush the authority to intervene in the case. Governor Bush immediately ordered the feeding tube reinserted. Governor Bush sent the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) to remove Schiavo from the hospice. She was taken to Morton Plant Rehabilitation Hospital in Clearwater, where her feeding tube was surgically reinserted.[39] She was then returned to the hospice. Part of the legislation required the appointment of a guardian ad litem (GAL), Dr. Jay Wolfson, to "deduce and represent the best wishes and best interests" of Schiavo, and report them to Governor Bush. Wolfson's report did not change Michael's role as her legal guardian and did not otherwise obstruct him legally.[6]" "On May 5, 2004, Baird found "Terri's Law" unconstitutional, and struck it down.[42] Bush appealed this order to the Second District Court of Appeals, but, on May 12, they issued an "Order Relinquishing Case for Entry of Final Judgment and Order to Show Cause Why this Proceeding Should Not be Certified to the Supreme Court As Requiring Immediate Resolution."[43] The Second District Court of Appeals, in sending it directly to the Florida's Supreme Court, invoked "pass through" jurisdiction.[44] The Florida Supreme Court then overturned the law as unconstitutional.[45]"

237 Yes, if only we would let the spoiled, corrupt minority control our lives a little more and continue to borrow and spend against the credit of our unborn descendants then life would b much easier for politicians. All that squishy compromise is what got us in the crapper hole we're in. Values and truth dont change w cultural attitudes.

238 Lee Atwater, v2.0. Where is he when you need a fearless ball-cutter?

239 "For several weeks, there has been closed-door discussions and debate among House Republicans as to whether to move forward with contempt. Some have expressed concern that it could distract from the Republican's focus on the economy in this election year." ========= Unbelievable. Concerned that it would distract... Versus - what is right and just. Seriously. They are not even arguing the case - just their own interests. Issa must be freaking out.

240 Posted by: Rick Husband at June 11, 2012 10:10 AM

Hey, I've been to your airport!

241 That's not a team player, phoenix, that's someone who wants to hurt the blog.

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"It is expressly not a forum for rage or running other commenters down (except for trolls)"
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Now sit back and pour yourself a nice cool refreshing glass of shut the **** up.

242 This is one of those times.

Posted by: Andy at June 11, 2012 10:17 AM (u5ozF)

I've been multitasking

243 No SCOTUS decisions on AZ or BarkyCare today. Maybe next week, probably the 25th. (Per SCOTUSBlog.)

244 SCOTUSBLOG says the healthcare decision could come today but they do not expect it.

245 No announcement on AZ or Obamacare today, per SCOTUSblog.

246

>>>SERENITY NOW

 

Insanity later.

247 O....k.... Seems like y'all want to have hysterics this morning over something Jeb Bush actually didn't say, so enjoy yourselves. Andy and I will be waiting in case anyine else wants to...oh I don't know...read the actual quote?

248 Faith/curious, you're one again doing yourself no favors.    If you enjoy the derision of your opinions and yourself there is something wrong with you.  Go take your meds.

249
O/T

Here's today's Supreme Court decision:

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court is declining to take a new look at the rights of foreign prisoners held for the past decade at the Guantanamo Bay naval base in Cuba.

Four years after pronouncing that detainees who face no charges have a right to challenge their ongoing confinement, the justices on Monday rejected appeals arguing that the federal appeals court in Washington has largely ignored the high courtÂ’s command.

250 I've seen a number of these jeb bush interviews.  There have been quite a few, I wondered if he was hawking a book and kept waiting for him to say "buy my book" but they were just interviews.  I think that the Walker win has finally hit the republicans too.  They are realizing that people are supportive of republicans who follow through on their promises.  That doesn't bode well if you are an old style politician who has in the past promised things and then didn't deliver.  Don't know enough about jeb bush to know if he, in particular, has done this, just know that walker's win was not just a wake up call for the dems, but for the republicans too.  It's interesting that jeb is out there immediately following the walker win, sort of like a "hey what about us old skool republicans, don't forget us, we're still here" thing.

251

So Romney is an extremist now?

 

BTW if Mitt chooses Jeb for VP, I don't think I could bring myself to vote.  It would be difficult, but I'm sorry, you have to draw the line somewhere.

252 263 >>>SERENITY NOW Insanity later. Posted by: Lloyd Braun at June 11, 2012 10:20 AM (NF2Bf) I'll hold you to that promise.

253

172 Can someone answer this? I never understood the whole "compassionate conservative" line.... it makes it seem like conservatism is not compassionate. But from everthing I've read and now understand conservatism is implicitly compassionate, it allows people the freedom to pursue their ideas, etc.

 

Policy shouldn't be a matter of compassion.  It should be a matter of what WORKS.  The truly compassionate state of affairs is a healthy economy and a level of societal freedom that allows everyone a realistic chance to pursue happiness.  Gobbly-gook about "The Children" and "Grandma" is just cover for the same old statism that has plagued Mankind since the days of Nimrod of Babylon to today - the age of the Dimrod from Chicago.

254 New Bryson story will be: seizure caused by first impact; his getting back into the car, hitting the first vehicle a second time, and hitting the next vehicle were caused by the seizure. But now he's got meds and it won't happen again.

255 >> No AZ or Obamacare today. Michelle is wrong, again. If she keeps saying it, eventually she'll be right. That'll show you, H8r!!!11!

256 Hey Jeb, maybe the Repubs are the same moderate squishes like you and your dad, and the Dems have become more communist and vitriolic? Ever consider that? Maybe you need a class in Relativity so you can learn about points of view etc. Putz always blaming your own team just to gain MFM 'points' like McVain.

257 265 Faith/curious, you're one again doing yourself no favors. If you enjoy the derision of your opinions and yourself there is something wrong with you. Go take your meds.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at June 11, 2012 10:21 AM (JKNDp)

Where, in everything that I said, did you get that?

258 Okay, folks, I've got two more things (at least) I want to hit over on my blog today, and I can't decide which order to address them.

One is that the Mexican Presidential Candidates (all of them) are signalling surrender in the war with the Drug Cartels.  I maintain that the Nation of Mexico didn't have much choice once Obama and Holder came in on the side of the Drug Cartels (Watergate did not have a body count).

The other is the link I posted earlier about stagflation.

What do y'all think?

259

Posted by: faith at June 11, 2012 10:15 AM (oZfic)

 

We respect your opinion. Thank you for sharing it with us

 

260 Posted by: faith at June 11, 2012 10:15 AM (oZfic)

I look forward to reading your opinion when you get your GED.
You are truly part of the 1 percent of this blog!
That means you don't fit in, and you displease us.

Have a good day, or whatever kind of day you want.

261 *********** ********* ******** ******* *************
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***** at June 11, 2012 10:15 AM (oZfic)

Per Gnubreed's excellent advice.

Just use this as a template for any posts by ***** oZfic and your day will be calmer
and much more pleasant. (phoenixgirl I'm talking to you.)

DEEP BREATHS. pics would be nice. closeups. can haz nekkid?

262 meh. Who cares what Jeb Bush says anyway. Dems will like it but they are going t vote dem anyway. Repubs won' really care and are going to vote repub anyway. What voter who hasn't made up their mind yet will be influenced by Jeb Bush. anyone?

263 your own words 523 504 Had to check if this was the ONT as it seems people are misbehaving on it like they do when I post on it. Not part of the yahoo/facebook clique. Follow it carefully, they'd be shocked that I'm in their midst. But, they haven't figure it out yet and it's been months. gots to run....later peeps Posted by: sally may at January 09, 2012 09:34 PM (oZfic) Is that like when you secretly went to a moron meetup and didn't participate and only watched everyone like the pathetic sociopathic loser that you are? Posted by: buzzion at January 09, 2012 09:40 PM (GULKT)

264 Looking at the actual decisions on the live blogging we lost on the case of North Hudson Regional Fire & Rescue v. NAACP.  They refused to grant cert when a lower court ruling that denied the city the ability to require residency for fire fighters was upheld.


They did this on the bull shit diseparate impact construct that has never been written into any law passed by congress.

265 so hundreds of dead citizens  of a neighboring country isn't in the interest of  our leaders?

266

"Reagan could not win the nomination in today's GOP..." A tired mantra.

 

Reagan would be a different Republican. HE would be more conservative than he was. Because the ills he identified relating to government growth and runaway spending would be THIRTY YEARS WORSE. He wouldn't be running as the first modern conservative with a chance of being president - that ground would be broken. He wouldn't be resigned to dealing with a Congress that had been Democrat for as long as anyone could remember.

 

"Reagan today" would not be a guy transported 30 years into the future, but a product of his times.

267 264- Jeb Bush should not say ANYTHING critical of the GOP in this election year and certainly not anything that appears to come from the left, i.e., that could be used by the Left. It doesn't matter if it's one little phrase surrounded by qualifiers and opposite views. He has enough political experience to know the MSM will cull the one little phrase and blow it up.

268 The other is the link I posted earlier about stagflation.

What do y'all think?
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LOL, I posted that and a link on the news thread.

269 I hope Captain Hate still gets a position in the KinderGentlerAoSHQ™.

270 I read the Buzzfeed article that Ace posted:

No mention of ObamaCare.

No mention of the Obama Administration's flagrant attack on religious freedom

No mention of skyrocketing federal deficits.

Just more Ruling Class chit-chat.

271 Also Jeb, Reagan or your dad would not have said in their first meeting with Tip O'Neill 'I WON (so fuck you).' Stick that in your fat fucking face Jeb.

272

269 So Romney is an extremist now?

 

It's deeply disturbing that Jeb should apparently feel that way about Romney.  If there was ever a died-in-the-wool Right of Center Moderate Conservative... it's Romney.  That begs the questions why Jeb should feel that way. 

I don't think he reasonably can.  So maybe Jeb is hoping to torpedo Mitt's chances this year, to give Jeb a shot at 2016?

273 283 so hundreds of dead citizens of a neighboring country isn't in the interest of our leaders? Posted by: willow at June 11, 2012 10:24 AM (TomZ9) No, it's not but how many ounces are in the soda you are drinking is...

274

"The Florida Supreme Court then overturned the law as unconstitutional."

 

At which point a real man would have said, "Screw the 'legal' system, I choose life, and Terry Schiavo is going to live. Period. Now all you calling for her murder can just f*ck off or else you better be prepared to face me and the Florida Highway Patrol and the Florida National Guard at the OK Corral."

 

PS: How did your 'legal' system do in serving that warrant for Terry Schiavo to appear as a witness before the federal congress, huh?

 

F*ck. The. 'Legal'. System.

 

 

 

275 All announcements from SCOTUS are done.  No obamacare ruling.

276

"No announcement on AZ or Obamacare today, per SCOTUSblog."

Thanks.  I guess Malkin shouldn't have relied on an idiot like Toobin for any "tips".  Does anyone know if it will even be in June or will it be in July? 

277

When a RINO laments that even Big Tent Reagan wouldn't survive today's Tea Party Climate, I take it as a sign we  are making excellent progress.

 

People like Jeb see themselves as left-of-Reagan.  This tells me they are starting to decipher the writing on the wall.

278 i guess if a neighboring country collapses and cartels take over it's all good, won't effect us at all.

279 your words 439 I don't agree with the vaccine, anyone I know who has gotten it has had problems. But here's a question, did Governor Perry give the vaccine to his daughters? Did President Obama give the vaccine to malia. She's past the age when they give the shot. Over the years have had plenty of schools and doctors try to force me into taking various vaccines. Each time it was a mean and nasty arguement right up to and including me not going to a particular university and getting my degree at another institution. Michelle Bachman's premise resonates with a lot of people. The very idea that you should be forced to take a vaccine for a non communicable disease is beyond reasonable. Many time "they" say there is an "opt out" but it is generally on religious grounds and if you are at a religious institution you are stuck. This isn't about guardisil, it's about republican politics. I hope it backfires but not on Michelle Bachman. Posted by: mcat at September 16, 2011 09:35 PM (k1rwm)

280 "Reagan today" would not be a guy transported 30 years into the future, but a product of his times. Posted by: CJ at June 11, 2012 10:24 AM (9KqcB) Hmm, Reagan today would be a zombie. An ultra-cool, rockin' zombie but a zombie. Unfortunately,he couldn't survive on eating Demon-crats brains. Not enough sustenance.

281 Watching Phoenix deconstruct oZfic is almost as fun as watching rampaging ewoks pillage a hobo encampment that just got it's monthly delivery of bacon, pron and value-rite.

282 >>So Romney is an extremist now?

He's got a good working relationship with XXXtreeeeem! Scott Hitler-Walker, Tyrant of Cheeseland, so there's some hope there.

283 Posted by: faith at June 11, 2012 10:15 AM (oZfic)

Your call is important to us. Please stay on the line and one of our customer associates will be with you as soon as possible.
Have a great day!

284 287 I hope Captain Hate still gets a position in the KinderGentlerAoSHQ™. Posted by: Waterhouse at June 11, 2012 10:25 AM (+EoBq) Jeez, maybe he should rename it Ace of Clubs HQ?

285

"so hundreds of dead citizens of a neighboring country isn't in the interest of our leaders?"

 

...what were their names?

286

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 11, 2012 10:22 AM (Iaxlk)

 

Compasionate Conservatism was a term coined for Big Government Nanny State Social Conservatism.  It created no child left behind... increased the size of the EPA... and created the DHS.

 

Its right up there with Neo Conservatism for foreign Policy, where we interneve everywhere and be World Police, instead of using the Armed Forces to defend the US...

287 She's not "deconstructing me"....I think she is misinterpreting everything said.  Takes it out of context. 

I'm beginning to think that someone who spends as much time here as she does is paid.

288 269- "BTW if Mitt chooses Jeb for VP, I don't think I could bring myself to vote. " If Mitt chooses the love child of Fidel Castro and Lady Gaga I will vote for him. Obama must go. Period.

289 And instead of the H.L. Mencken quote we can have the serenity prayer.

290 faith, back to Bristol Palin. Did she tell Kelly that she told her grandparents (Sarah and Todd) after the VP nomination? I thought McCain supposedly knew when he picked her.

291 Jeb, Meggy, Karl, wherever you are out there ...

FUCK YOU TOO !!

292 your words 448 766 743 i'd make my kid take the vaccine Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots quaking everywhere) at September 12, 2011 10:12 PM (HhCkU) ah so you think you are raising a slut? but seriously, read all the literature, all the cases, not everything is online. then come back and tell us this again. Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:14 PM (k1rwm) THIS WAS YOUR POSITION THE OTHER NIGHT REMEMBER? Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 16, 2011 09:37 PM (eOXTH)

293 >>Bush called the present partisan climate "disturbing."


I wonder what he thinks of the present partisan MFM as he delivers their compromise with commies mantra.

This is how we got into this mess you idjit.

294 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 11, 2012 10:30 AM (C8mVl) Would that make Fidel, Lord Gaga?

295

"I hope Captain Hate still gets a position in the KinderGentlerAoSHQ™."

 

He will have to change his name to "Cap'n Dislike."

296

"Over the years have had plenty of schools and doctors try to force me into taking various vaccines. Each time it was a mean and nasty arguement right up to and including me not going to a particular university and getting my degree at another institution."

 

I'm inching towards that fight, with a pediatrician, over MMR.

 

 

 

297

@313 - oops, that was me.

 

Or, possibly, "Captain DownTwinkles."

298 308 faith, back to Bristol Palin. Did she tell Kelly that she told her grandparents (Sarah and Todd) after the VP nomination? I thought McCain supposedly knew when he picked her.

Posted by: Average Joe at June 11, 2012 10:31 AM (bN5ZU)

Sarah and Todd, last time I looked are her parents.  She was talking about her grandparents, Todd's parents and Sarah's parents.

299 Andy and I will be waiting in case anyine else wants to...oh I don't know...read the actual quote?

We don't need the actual quote, he has said so many things to infuriate conservatives in the past that 'Jeb' is all it takes to trigger a berserker rage.

300 GW Bush ran as a far more conservative candidate than Romney

Is his own brother "too partisan and extreme"?

Jeb is finished, and so is his consigliere Rove no matter how much Hannity drools over him

301 Phoenix, when I can say more about the vaccine thing, I will.

302 Serenity now, happy hour at 5:00.

303 Jeb Bush Agrees With Meghan McCain: too much time spent arguing with curious.

304 BTW if Mitt chooses Jeb for VP, I don't think I could bring myself to vote. It would be difficult, but I'm sorry, you have to draw the line somewhere.

Posted by: indigo child at June 11, 2012 10:22 AM (xXhWA) 3

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TRIANGULATION!!!!! its how we beat the Republicans in 96.' 

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And don't forget to buy my new book!!

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Again.

 

305 Sheesh, sometimes I feel like we need to ban ozfic just to keep the rest of you clowns from gratuitously hijacking threads to talk about her/him/it.

This is one of those times.

THIS! +1,234,564 style points.

306 If you detract from the blog, and there's only one person here that continually does that, you should probably not be allowed to register for the blog.

Just sayin'

307 322 i don't think jeb is even being considered....

308 faith, oops, sorry, I was thinking about the new baby's grandparents (who would be Sarah and Todd). What else did Bristol talk about? Is her main cause abstinence still, or is she interested in additional causes as well?

309 I'm beginning to think that someone who spends as much time here as she does is paid.

Posted by: faith at June 11, 2012 10:30 AM (oZfic)

I'M beginning to think that someone who keeps spending time here when it is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that their opinion and/or comments are unwelcome, must be getting paid to do it.

310

"Jeez, maybe he should rename it Ace of Clubs HQ?"

 

Spades and Clubs are implements of violence.

 

The only path forward is the Ace of Hearts HQ.

311 Yay for people!

312 312- Would that make Fidel, Lord Gaga? Damned straight it would! And that's a helluva great name for a Zombie, which I trust Fidel will soon be.

313

"Jeb is finished, and so is his consigliere Rove no matter how much Hannity drools over him"

Okay, some serious speculation here.

It's been pretty firmly established that Rove is, ah, more than a little light in the loafers.

And Hannity has frequently hinted [on his radio show] that he has some fairly serious ongoing problems in his marriage.

Now the serious speculation: You don't suppose that Hannity is part of the, ah, "Dare Not Speak Its Name" Mafia, do you?

It would certainly explain a lot if he were...

314 If somebody's getting paid for commenting here, I'm going to be really angry. Angry, I tell you.

315 The only path forward is the Ace of Hearts HQ.

There's also Ace of Base HQ, to appease the foul Scandis.

316

IÂ’ve been gone for a few days, so I have no idea of what happened here.  I gather someone was angry, comments were suspended and Ace wants people to be happy.

 

OK.  IÂ’ll go along with that.

 

If there is a short summary of what led to this, point it out.  IÂ’m curious, but I donÂ’t have time to 10,000 word posts and thousands of comments.

 

317

Posted by: faith at June 11, 2012 10:30 AM (oZfic)

 

The joy you create here at the kinder, gentler AoSHQ is unbelievable.  Please stay  and grace us with every stream of consciousness thought  so that we all may be enlightened.

318 I hope Captain Hate still gets a position in the KinderGentlerAoSHQ™.

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 11, 2012 10:25 AM (+EoBq)

To accommodate the new spirit of civility, I wish to point out that I haven't used the term "fuckhead" once today and am moderating the frequency of employing the word "cocksucker".  I hope that counts for something.

319 It's great to see so many of the same folks that gave Ace a pat on the back for his "Lower the hostility" stance jumping into this juvenile fray with both feet.

320

"That's actually what I'm making for dinner tonight. Bring your own tequila."

 

Wow.

 

Okay, hold that thought while I go get some kleenex...

 

 

 

321 The joy you create here at the kinder, gentler AoSHQ is unbelievable. Please stay and grace us with every stream of consciousness thought so that we all may be enlightened.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 11, 2012 10:38 AM (4q5tP)

I need civility lessons from you.
But first, I need a new keyboard.

Thank you for that, citizen.

322 It's the practical mantra of Republican politics: conservatism gets you there, difference-splitting keeps you there. Show me a GOP officeholder who got more conservative in office--and bore that through a reelection--than he was when he was running the first time. My point is that Jeb's situational conservatism is nothing unique, and may be the bitter pill we're better off taking without comment. I suppose it's the minor rhetorical rudder-correction we should expect to have to endure to keep one of ours in an office that would otherwise go to a Warren, a Reid, or an Obama.

323 So we all hate Jeb in a kinder, gentler way? And Ozfic too?

324 "Reagan today" would not be a guy transported 30 years into the future, but a product of his times. Posted by: CJ at June 11, 2012 10:24 AM (9KqcB) People tried to play, "Whose the Biggest Badass?" using someone else's blog. At the same time, that a psychopath has been targeting con-bloggers.

325 If there is a short summary of what led to this, point it out. IÂ’m curious, but I donÂ’t have time to 10,000 word posts and thousands of comments.

Posted by: jwest at June 11, 2012 10:38 AM (ZDsRL)

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Someone called Ace a pussy. Ace banned them. They came back like a smart ass. Chairs commenced to flying.

326 I suppose I'll have to become Mildly Tangy Clinger and all that?

327 341 dislike.....it's not a harsh

328 So we'll create a new initialism: PDIAF (please die in a fire).

329 Yeah Faith...no ones buying it. But you're entertaining anyway...in a "oh look its a wreck" kind of way.

330 Instead of "Republican primary", we should call it "The Most Extreme Elimination Challenge".

331 And then there is Ace of Queens HQ...For  Pride Month #Obama2012

332 I think the rules should be:

Don't diss Ace (arguing impolitely is a nono.)

Don't diss Ace's blog (this includes Pixy)

Pay attention when Ace makes a BLOG POLICY statement (that's the one I'm guilty of as it's not obvious what it's about so I just skim)

Be kind to one another. (no wait that's Jerry Springer)

333 348 Instead of "Republican primary", we should call it "The Most Extreme Elimination Challenge". Posted by: MACHINESFORSALE at June 11, 2012 10:43 AM (B6My4) And have cool eliminations like "Trampoline Dunking a Basketball", "Speedo Swimsuit Modeling" and "Boobing for Donations"

334 ...and let it be noted...i just pointed out it was here...just my way of saying....hi troll! next time i'll use a or maybe a <3

335 JFK lowered taxes and knew that communism was a threat to world peace and prosperity

Think the Dems would nominate him today?

336 I'm so happy, I changed my name.

337

Jeb, Meggy, Karl...

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The doughy, pasty-faced triumverate of evil, Rino buffet raiders.

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Golden Corral's hardest hit.

338
Be kind to one another. (no wait that's Jerry Springer)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 11, 2012 10:44 AM (CP+yl)

Yes. Save the bile for the trolls, not one another.

339 PEYTAHLOCTTAOIT

Please elevate yourself to a higher level of consciousness through the
application of increased temperature

340 >>"Boobing for Donations"<< FTW.

341 Hereto unheard of US U.S. Commerce Secretary arrested for "hit and run"

Authorities are investigating a series of traffic collisions in the San Gabriel Valley involving U.S. Secretary of Commerce John Bryson, authorities said Saturday.

Bryson was found unconscious in his vehicle and has been hospitalized, officials said.

Bryson was driving a Lexus in the 400 block of South San Gabriel Boulevard shortly after 5 p.m. Saturday, when he allegedly rear-ended a Buick as it was waiting for a train to pass, according to a statement released by the L.A. County Sheriff's Department and the San Gabriel Police Department.

After briefly stopping to talk to the three men inside the Buick, Bryson left the location in the Lexus and then struck the Buick a second time, authorities said. The men followed Bryson's car and called 911 to ask for police assistance.

Bryson continued to drive his Lexus into Rosemead, which is patrolled by the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. There, he allegedly crashed into a second vehicle near the intersection of San Gabriel Boulevard and Hellman Avenue.

There authorities found him alone and unconscious behind the wheel of his car.

342 DrewM agrees with John Birchers: Republicans are just too much like darn Socialists.

343 ESIARTAHP

Enjoy Sexual Intercourse and Rise to A Higher Plane

344 Can somebody give me a cliff notes version of Ace's anger post from Sunday? Because, frankly it looks like another mea culpa post and I just don't want to read 500 lines just to get that.

345 The question is not whether you compromise with ideological opponents. Of course you do. You must. The question is what direction are you moving. The rule is that the GOP compromises with the Progressive movement, i.e., one or two steps "forward" rather than 5 or 10. The exception is when the Dems compromise with the GOP in taking one or two steps "backward" rather than 5 or 10. (As w/ welfare reform in the 90's.) We need a GOP that insists on moving "backwards," as the Progressives see it. We need what they (and I) would call a counter-revolution. A conservative MOVEMENT.

346 Jeb is finished, and so is his consigliere Rove no matter how much Hannity drools over him Posted by: kbdabear at June 11, 2012 10:33 AM (Y+DPZ) --------------------------------------------------------- THE ARCHITECT! He is a GREAT American.

347 >>>And Hannity has frequently hinted [on his radio show] that he has some fairly serious ongoingproblems in his marriage.

 
Funny thing. You actually make Jeb's point for him. And I don't want to see his point.

Seriously, Hannity is nominally  on our side. He has on someone who is a weak sister and now he's gay? Nice. Way to join the lefty smear merchants.

348

Jeb, here's a suggestion for you.   Become a Democrat.   You'll do more service to the country trying to bring them back from the cliff than you will sticking around taking potshots at the GOP.

 

Karl, and Meghan, whoever elected you....don't let the screen door hit you on the way out either.

349 Someone called Ace a pussy. Ace banned them. They came back like a smart ass. Chairs commenced to flying. Posted by: Up with people! at June 11, 2012 10:41 AM

More to it than that. Ace told someone not to toss gasoline onto the barbeque pit. Someone called Ace a pussy and he could do what he wanted. Ace threatened to throw him out. Someone proceeded to say "nyah, nyah, I'm fireproof and invincible", proceeded to throw gas on bbq pit which damn near burned the whole neighborhood down

350 >>He will have to change his name to "Cap'n Dislike."

Posted by: Former ACORN employee with access to IL voter registration records at June 11, 2012 10:31 AM (F26eZ)

He's obviously in like Flynn, but future promotions will have to be handled in a delicate manner, which is hardly his strong suit.

He may just have to be satisfied with the rank of Captain.

351 There's a kernel of truth in Jeb's critique. Reagan was a union man -- head of a union -- and I think he'd be distressed at what Scott Walker has done to the workingman's rights. Plus, as a divorced man with a gay son, I suspect Reagan would be more compassionate to those who are different. Reagan also lived in California, with its proud Mexican heritage, so I doubt he'd be in favor of destroying families by shipping American-raised high school valedictorians back over the border just because their parents didn't do the right paperwork.

352 #365 Mr. Dynamo, half the comments make Jeb's point for him.

353

We donÂ’t have to be nice to Drew, do we?

354 We should all learn to love Pres Bama because he cares so much about us...........Romney is mean and pulls the wings off of innocent fly's.....

355 Posted by: Midwest Harry at June 11, 2012 10:51 AM (p/Sn/) We beg to differ...

356 367 -- yes, thats a longer version. The one sentence version would be Chairs flew, and Ace kicked everyone out.

357 Midwest Harry at June 11, 2012 10:51 AM (p/Sn/)

How do you think that of the guy who broke the Flight Controller's Union?

Reagan became the Union pres while a Democrat. I think then is when he found out how many problems were caused and continued by Unions. It probably made a bigger impression when he became Governor of Cali and found out how the unions were screwing everyone else in the state.

358 >>Hereto unheard of U.S. Commerce Secretary

I was kind of shocked SCOAMF appointed one. Isn't commerce just bourgeois false consciousness?

359 CNFARTAHP

Consume Natural Fertilizer and Rise to A Higher Plane

360 PATCO was public safety, that's different. Even Walker exempted the cops, if only for kickbacks.

361 Obama Commerce Sec takes after his boss ...
...  "... alone and unconscious behind the wheel of his car"

362 That Churchill is an extremist warmonger! Neville Chamberlain knew that compromise was the way to peace and prosperity!

363 Yesterday was lauraw's b-day. She turned 35 ...again. Happy Birthday, lauraw!

364 I am so sick of the Bush pussification of the Republican Party.  Could old Jeb be any less helpful now?  We are finally winning and pulling the country back right and ole Jeb has to open his yapper and give the left ammunition.

365 I was kind of shocked SCOAMF appointed one. Isn't commerce just bourgeois false consciousness?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 11, 2012 10:54 AM (ZKzrr)

It's a useless department is what it is. Commerce should join Energy, Education, and DHS on the budgetary scrapheap.

366 Is there a place to get the whole Jeb Bush quote, and not just the selected portion that BuzzFeedBen deemed relevant?

367 I personally think there should be a way to ban someone and make it stick without registration. I may be too cumbersome though.

Much better to zot the individual idiots than make everyone else pay a price for their idiocy.

However I am weak at blog fu so I'm only guessing.

368 Compasionate Conservative, Kinder Gentler, 1000 points of light all phrases that need to be relegated to the pantheon of wimpy ineffectual catch phrases.  I am reminded of the now dim witted truck driver, due to having a black mob of thugs kick the shit out of him and bounce a cinder block off his head, say, "Can't we all just get along" or was that Rodney King.  Either way they don't support an arguement for right over wrong.

369 379 Obama Commerce Sec takes after his boss ...
... "... alone and unconscious behind the wheel of his car" Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 11, 2012 10:55 AM

Damn, he didn't wreck the Choomwagon did he?

370

I hope that Jeb Bush develops a somewhat more intense than normal case of flatulence that occurs at a rather inconvenient time and causes him a mild case of embarrassment.

I hope I didn't violate the new civility, but I really feel that strongly about this and just couldn't hold my tongue any longer.

371 362 Can somebody give me a cliff notes version of Ace's anger post from Sunday? Because, frankly it looks like another mea culpa post and I just don't want to read 500 lines just to get that.

Posted by: maddogg at June 11, 2012 10:49 AM (OlN4e)

Since he admitted he'd edited the thing a couple of times, I had a hard time following the logic.  I think he some words out.  Maybe even sentences.

What I was paying attention to (although I did post a couple thoughts) were mostly the other commenters.  They seemed to fall into two categories:  (a) the LGF "you can do no wrong" type, or (b) "man up and get a grip on yourself".

I tend to fall into category (b).
The issues are simple if Ace knows somebody fluent in web programming (comment sections in particular).
That he either doesn't know or doesn't care are evident in the loss of ampersands and his failure to reach out on the issue.  As they say, it's his blog.

372 126 "I hate dynasties. No more Bushes, no more Clintons, no more Kennedies."

No More Adams Family!

ok, that was a long time ago...

Posted by: HH at June 11, 2012 09:49 AM (v+ExF)

Yeah, and who died and made those Harrisons king?

373 I seriously hope Jeb is preparing the field of battle for when/if the Republicans take over.And he darn well better be prepared to scream partisanship long and loud should the Democrats not bend to the will of logic and common sense when it comes to cutting something else than the military. The reality is that when anyone talks partisanship it is an automatic knife in the ribs for Republicans no matter who utters the vile word.Not because it would seem to be the only way to get things done but because it is simply a trigger word to be used as a club to get Republicans to bend to the will of Democrats.

374 Well, I am too cumbersome also but what I meant was banning someone by IP may be too cumbersome.

375 >>the workingman's rights<< The tell.

376 Sure they do Polynikes but I didn't read through the whole thread and the "I hate him so he must be gay" bit is particularly galling.

For the record, I am no Hannity fan and never want to see another Bush in the White House again and consider Mitt to be way too moderate.

377

Posted by: kbdabear at June 11, 2012 10:50 AM (Y+DPZ)

 

Yeah, but it sort of went beyond that. I really thought ace was going to have a nervous breakdown. He kept posting about how he hadn't had any sleep, and just sort of seemed to be going off the deep-end.

 

Which is why a number of posters told him to get some sleep. And then he more or less took the whole site down.

 

It was an odd day that became a very weird night.

378 >>and I think he'd be distressed at what Scott Walker has done to the workingman's rights.

I somehow doubt he believed that the "workingman" (lolwut!) has to be taxed up the ass so people who work nine months out of the year (doing a shitty job of teaching their children) never have to pay a dime toward their own healthcare.

379 The tell. Heh.

380 369- " as a divorced man with a gay son," Um, Ron Reagan was once a ballet dancer, but that does not mean he is gay. Try to get over those bigoted stereotypes, eh? (BTW, he and his wife have been married for 30 years or so.) The rest of your comment is equally ignorant.

381 392 Well, I am too cumbersome also but what I meant was banning someone by IP may be too cumbersome. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 11, 2012 10:58 AM (CP+yl) Yea, it is. All someone would have to do is find a Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks with free WiFi

382
379 Obama Commerce Sec takes after his boss ...
... "... alone and unconscious behind the wheel of his car"

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 11, 2012 10:55 AM (e8kgV)

We can haz Slurpees, now?

383 I'd like to see the video of Jeb's dad Pukey Bush 1 hurling and then sky diving into Barbara's lap at that state dinner.

Now that was inspiring. 

384 Test

385 I was kind of shocked SCOAMF appointed one. Isn't commerce just bourgeois false consciousness?


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 11, 2012 10:54 AM (ZKzrr)
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All of his cabinet is neutered.

The real power players are all his Czars.  

Why Mitt hasnt seized on that yet and made an issue of promising to do away with the practice of appointing czars is beyond me.

386 seizure, my ass

387 Why Mitt hasnt seized on that yet and made an issue of promising to do away with the practice of appointing czars is beyond me.

Gotta save some of the important stuff for a little closer to the election. Keep your powder dry, and stuff like that.

388 >>Why Mitt hasnt seized on that yet and made an issue of promising to do away with the practice of appointing czars is beyond me.

Didn't Bush41 start the whole czar BS?

389 Reagan also lived in California, with its proud Mexican heritage, so I doubt he'd be in favor of destroying families by shipping American-raised high school valedictorians back over the border just because their parents didn't do the right paperwork. Posted by: Midwest Harry at June 11, 2012 10:51 AM

I lived in California too, and one big reason that Davis was recalled over driver licenses for illegals. I doubt that Reagan would be OK with Mexican nationals booing the American flag on our soil, and other La Raza shit

Just because their parents didn't do the right paperwork? How about they didn't do ANY paperwork

Thanks for your CONCERN though

390

Posted by: Citizen jwb7605 enhancing his calm at June 11, 2012 10:57 AM (Qxe/p)

 

 

 

 

Thanks. Obviously I made the right choice by skipping it.

391

#369 Reagan said one of his biggest regrets was signing that amnesty law in 1986 - the enforcement that was promised never happened. 

 

The Bush family is dead certain in its belief that the GOP will die eventually unless it starts winning over the Hispanics.  But George W.'s solutions were wrong for the country and not necessarily guaranteed to win over Hispanic voters anyway.

392 404 seizure, my ass Posted by: soothsayer, for your own good at June 11, 2012 11:01 AM (NLH1M) Giving him the benefit of doubt, it may have been a diabetic blackout.

393 392 Well, I am too cumbersome also but what I meant was banning someone by IP may be too cumbersome.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 11, 2012 10:58 AM (CP+yl)

Banning somebody by IP is simple, but it only works if the individual is not accessing the site through an IP hiding technique such as http://maskmyip.com/

Almost none of us are, but the troublemakers almost always are.

If Ace (or Pixy ?? ) comes up with a technique that requires us to 'login' to get to this new comments thingy and then still be able to sock, things will be just fine.  The troublemakers will still be able to get through, but it will take effort on their part, because they'll have to log in on every new attempt.

394 hahaha , sneaking across the border = not doing the right paperwork. okay, dunce.

395 Here's what infuriates me. We're in a sinking boat with 12 holes in the hull.

Conservatives say "We've got to patch these holes and then bail out the boat".

Dems respond "We need bi-partisanship!"

"Uh..OK. Do you think we should use wooden plugs or epoxy? Shall we bail with buckets or use a hand pump? We have to do something, the water's up to our ankles".

"No. We will surely be in port before we flounder. We don't want to waste time doing anything. The boat's fine, leave it alone"

"Really, the water's knee deep now. I'm gonna start plugging holes."

"EXTREMIST! RADICAL! RACIST! (not sure what that has to do with holes, but they always throw it in. Maybe it's a black boat?)"

Media: "Why those wascally Republicans! We're sinking and it's their fault! None of the holes are plugged!"

Republicans, kneeling over a hole with a plug in one hand and a mallet that the Dems keep knocking out of their other, look dumbfounded. "WTF?"

Meggie Mac-n-Cheese, Jebbie, RINOs by the score "If we'd only compromised, we could have gotten the Dems to let us have a little Dutch boy put his thumb in one of the holes for 2 hours every other Wednedsday! Wah! Partisans!"

Boat sinks.

Fuck that. No, I'm not saying that there is no room for compromise and all that happy bi-partisan horsecrap. That's the argument about bailing the boat and conservatives should be willing to work with the Dems on that. Fixing the holes...that should be where we draw the line. The holes must be plugged or everything else is moot. People like Jeb are blaming Republicans for the Democrats knocking the mallet out of their hand. Madness. Far, far too many of these career government types think that their job is to compromise, period.

 "Hey, look, I compromised, I got something done! Yay me!"

"Uh, Senator? Yea, you got the Dems to "allow" us to stuff some tissue paper in one of the holes, but in return they drilled 2 more holes in the hull. How is that helping?"

"No, No, I DID something. Look! Look! Tissue paper! It's a start, right? look at the great start I've made everybody! Me, me, me!Truly a bi-partisan accomplishment!"

Boat sinks.

So yes, we have to compromise, but the compromise is on the how, not the what. Otherwise, by the time the Repubs get one hole solidly patched, with welded iron hull plates (welfare reform, say), 15 new holes have been drilled, the gunwales are awash, and as soon as attention wanders, BHO sneaks over and pops the wends on the hull plate they just installed.

And that's what people like Jeb call "Good governance".

396 Didn't Bush41 start the whole czar BS?

No, not really.  I think there have been "special adviser to the President" positions previously (even predating Bush41, I think), but never someone with de facto Cabinet Level Authority.

GW may (may) have appointed someone similar at the very end to help oversee the TARP funds, but, even if so, that's so far different in both quality and quantity from what Obama is doing that you can't even really compare the two.

397 371 We donÂ’t have to be nice to Drew, do we?

Posted by: jwest at June 11, 2012 10:52 AM (ZDsRL)

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No..Drew and cat piss lady are the exception.

398 BTW, Mitt Romney is just as tolerant of teh gheys as Reagan was.  I have a gay friend who worked for both of them. 

399 I hate this bs as well. Did Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, et al. ever cut spending? NO! They could only SLOW the growth of government spending. Reagan and Bush I had to deal with large Democratic majorities in the House. Reagan had to deal with O'Neil to get his tax cuts-that's why the deficits started to grow. Daddy Bush got spanked for his "no new taxes" line, gave the dims what they asked for with the PROMISE of spending cuts. NEVER HAPPENED! BJ Clinton used it as a brickbat to pound Bush the Elder in the general election. Jebbie-boy doesn't even remember why Daddy lost! It's incredible.

400
333 The only path forward is the Ace of Hearts HQ.

There's also Ace of Base HQ, to appease the foul Scandis.

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 11, 2012 10:38 AM (+EoBq)

You have been chosen by the Baby Harp Seals Team here at Ace of Clubs HQ.

You are scheduled to mix it up with the Canadian Hunters at noon, ADT.

Thank you for choosing to engage in vigorous, yet respectful, discourse and repartee.

AoCHQ

401 Maybe one hit n run, but two, Mr Robot?

402

403 The View co-host Joy Behar will be launching a daily show on Current TV. The program will premiere in September and will air Monday through Thursday at 6 PM with rebroadcasts later in the evening. Behar will make her debut on the cable channel next week when she will take over for Eliot Spitzer while he is on vacation.

404 For those looking for a less nuanced interpretation of Jeb's comments, they were from his testimony at a budget committee hearing.

Here's the link to cspan if you want to listen to the whole thing.

http://tinyurl.com/bwvcz7v

(to cspan page. link for video is in right column)

405 "No, No, I DID something. Look! Look! Tissue paper! It's a start, right? look at the great start I've made everybody! Me, me, me!Truly a bi-partisan accomplishment!"

"Teamwork.  I do a great deal of teamwork."

406 If Jeb Bush truly thinks that the GOP is conservative, I think he should switch parties and be a moderate Democrat.  The core of the GOP is as statist as the Democrat party, and enjoys spending way too much money just like the Democrats.

I hope Jeb stays out of national politics.  I have no use for him.

407 Oh yeah, the party that nominated Mitt Romney is extreme!

"Back to my dad’s time and Ronald Reagan’s time – they got a lot of stuff done with a lot of bipartisan support," he said.

=======================
Yeah, all this "stuff" that "got done" with "bi-partisan support" has led to $16 trillion in debt.

408 422 The Viewco-host Joy Behar will be launching a daily show on Current TV.

Be sure to miss it.

409 Yea, it is. All someone would have to do is find a Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks with free WiFi Posted by: The Robot Devil Exactly, either do it right - or don't bother. I'm thinking an old OS2 Notes Server with ACLs and 2 part tokens distributed by registered mail.

410 Excellent, Weirddave.

And I'd add that the Dems shot a few of those holes in the boat on their own (Obamacare, anyone?) and refuse to acknowledge their existence, much less even discuss patching them.

411 346

LOL

412 Discovered from a couple of morons this morning that @KayInMaine is on Twitter. Yes, that one.

413

Sheesh, sometimes I feel like we need to ban ozfic just to keep the rest of you clowns from gratuitously hijacking threads to talk about her/him/it.

This is one of those times.<<<<

 

DO IT NOW.

414 The Commerce Sec should check in with SCOAMF, who is an acknowledged expert on car insurance, earnings to profit ratios, college hoops brackets, lefty swinging golf strokers, and the number of islamic states (57) among many, many other things.

415

We  have the Communist/Marxist/Progressive  Democrats calling those of  us who  wish to merely abide by our  own Constitution   "extreme."

 

Lovely.

416 Liberal dictionary: Compromise: Do what we want and STFU. Partisanship: Why won't you do 100% of what we want? Got it?

417

Posted by: Citizen jwb7605 enhancing his calm at June 11, 2012 11:04 AM (Qxe/p)

 

My suggestion?  We already have teh Hash... use that as the registration which leads back to your email addy...

 

So.... names can change so we can Sock... but the Hash (code) is the actual registration.

418 Didn't Bush41 start the whole czar BS?Posted by: HeatherRadish

Not that it matters much but Wilson had an 'industry czar,' and FDR had a bunch of appointed executives with broad powers named 'czars.'

Our modern failshit government is the fault of those two men.

419 Didn't Bush41 start the whole czar BS?
Ford, I think. Energy czar.

420 ""Um, Ron Reagan was once a ballet dancer, but that does not mean he is gay. Try to get over those bigoted stereotypes, eh? ""


I don't know. From where I sit you definitely have to have a damaged or chipped male gene somewhere to want to shove a hollowed out grapefruit halve down your pants, then throw on some tights, and run onto the floor and dance like tinkerbell with the ladies.

421 It makes you want to go back in time and gently persuade Wilson to continue to pursue his academic career in lieu of politics. Gently.

422 431 Excellent, Weirddave.

And I'd add that the Dems shot a few of those holes in the boat on their own (Obamacare, anyone?) and refuse to acknowledge their existence, much less even discuss patching them.

Posted by: Andy at June 11, 2012 11:09 AM (5Rurq)

You people are missing the point.  There is nothing to worry about.
We are headed (at ramming speed) toward the iceberg.
That will keep us afloat until help arrives.
There is no need to patch anything.  Enjoy your free drink.

423 cat-piss

Feline #1

424
437
Posted by: Citizen jwb7605 enhancing his calm at June 11, 2012 11:04 AM (Qxe/p)

My suggestion? We already have teh Hash... use that as the registration which leads back to your email addy...

So.... names can change so we can Sock... but the Hash (code) is the actual registration.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2012 11:10 AM (lZBBB)

Time to go long in filthy hash codes' futures?

425 I don't know. From where I sit you definitely have to have a damaged or chipped male gene somewhere to want to shove a hollowed out grapefruit halve down your pants, then throw on some tights, and run onto the floor and dance like tinkerbell with the ladies.

Posted by: Berserker at June 11, 2012 11:12 AM (FMbng)

Yeah, but you get to feel up a bunch of really skinny ballerinas. So, you know, it has its compensations.

426 Wikipedia blames (fascist) Wilson and (fascist) FDR for "czars":
http://is.gd/WcTo1D

During the latter stages of World War I, President Woodrow Wilson appointed financier Bernard Baruch to run the War Industries Board. This position was sometimes dubbed the "industry czar".

In the United States, the term czar has been used by the media to refer to appointed executive branch officials since at least 1930s and then the 1940s under President Franklin D. Roosevelt.


And then Nixon had the first "drug czar."

I apologize to Bush41. Kinder, gentler. A thousand pixels of light.

427 439Didn't Bush41 start the whole czar BS?

 

 

Ford, I think. Energy czar.  

Posted by: fluffonutta at June 11, 2012 11:12 AM (z9HTb)

 

 

NO!  just as in everything else, ve sztarted the Czars!

428 re: Sec. Bryson.

He has a known medical condition that causes seizures.  He is on medication.  Prudence would suggest he have someone drive him around just in case the medication does not work.

Another question, sure he is Commerce Secretary but it's still a cabinet position.  Shouldn't he have at least a one person protective detail.  A Lexus is not a 737, and Bryson is not Ron Brown.  But he is a senior member of the administration.

Be interesting if it is swept under.  The message that would send would be, one legal system for the serfs and one for royalty.

429 A cob-logger really needs to put up a Holder in Contempt post, post haste.

I have some recrimination to do...

430 Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2012 11:10 AM (lZBBB)

That could work. Plus it's an opportunity for Ace to sell vanity hashes like BgDiK.

431 The Other McCain has a posting up about Kimberlin that says: And I also learned that Team Kimberlin had been trying to “patch” Ace of Spades. Perhaps readers now see why I have spent the past three weeks in scramble-the-jets mode. “But wait a minute,” you say, “why Ace?”

Has Ace said anything about this?

432 410- "But George W.'s solutions were wrong for the country and not necessarily guaranteed to win over Hispanic voters anyway." "Not necessarily guaranteed" is an understatement. The GOP can't get their vote by pandering to the La Raza agenda. You get it --- I mean a significant minority of it --- with economic, social, and security issues, i.e., the same issues that win Anglo votes.

433 "Ronald Reagan would have, based on his record of finding accommodation, finding some degree of common ground,..."

Yeah, right. Does this include Reagan's statement on the Soviet Union -- "We win, they lose"?

434 "Patch" AoS? What does that mean?

435 432 Discovered from a couple of morons this morning that @KayInMaine is on Twitter. Yes, that one.
Posted by: Retread at June 11, 2012 11:09 AM

How does she manage the 140 character limits?

436 Jeb, Rove, et al., like most inept politicians, are only interested with legacy building - facts be damned. Bushies = compassionate conservatism. Compassionate meaning liberal-model big spending to "help" us "little people." Reagan = soft bigotry of low expectations. Completely juxtaposed to the liberal orthodoxy. 300ish million people and the best we can come up with are all from one gene-pool? Puhleeze.

437

The Viewco-host Joy Behar will be
launching a daily show on Current TV.

 

 

So CurrentTV is trying to brand itself as the network that hires people that suck so bad that they were fired from their previous jobs for extreme suckitude. And CurrentTV fired Olbermann. Wow.

438 I'd like to see the video of Jeb's dad Pukey Bush 1 hurling and then sky diving into Barbara's lap at that state dinner.

Now that was inspiring.

Posted by: ontherocks at June 11, 2012 11:00 AM (aZ6ew)

I'd almost forgotten about that disturbing image.  Hard to believe that Slick and his campaign of personal destruction didn't use that in ads.  That must've been a more genteel time but it sure didn't seem like it when I was living through it.

439 Male nurses (murses) suffer less discrimination than brollerinas.

440 Dear Jeb,

You stupid fuck,  things are getting more partisan because government is involved in so many more ares of everyones lives.  So the old, "it doesn't affect me" no longer is available to almost every citizen.  The government will regulate if you do or don't get a cancer treatment that has been requested by my doctor and approved by the FDA.  See a reason to get partisan,  stupid fuck?  I don't need a cancer treatment but I have friends that do.  I also want to be able to buy a fucking 20oz Coca-Cola.  Is that really too much to fucking ask?

Dang

441 anna i doesn't matter what the excuse for leaving the scene is....if you leave the scene...it's a hit and run and you are in deep trouble.....and yes...if he has seizures...he should not have a license to drive and should not be driving period......he should have a driver at the very least......

442

A cob-logger really needs to put up a Holder in Contempt post, post haste.

I have some recrimination to do...

 

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 11, 2012 11:15 AM (famk3)

 

 

A flaming chinless skull would be nice, too.

443

Be interesting if it is swept under. The message that would send would be, one legal system for the serfs and one for royalty.

 

 

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 11, 2012 11:14 AM (bvBkk)

 

 

Mizz Puma;

 

We need to legally inform you that this talk has been reported us through our various abuse websites, and you may expect a visit from armed Dept. of Justice representatives in the near future in order to ensure you are not directing a veiled threat towards the Administration.

444 He has a known medical condition that causes seizures. He is on medication. Prudence would suggest he have someone drive him around just in case the medication does not work.
Lots of pills come with warning labels about mixing with alcohol or operating heavy machinery. So, he really can't be held responsible.

445

My favorite Bush, W, is the only one I totally admire.  Watching the G.H.W. Bush special vividly showed the difference between class and thuggery (today's Prez). 

Barbara, as you may recall, went after Palin.  Jeb is so arrogant.  While I did not like the spending under W, I still believe he has a principled core of steel and will do what he believes is best for America, now and into the future.  The current campaigner-in-chief would switch any position for votes.

446 Major Garett had a good article about the constant disengenous calls for bi-partisanship http://www.nationaljournal.com/columns/all-powers/divide-us-please-20120605

447

1. Partisanship in the defense of liberty is no vice.

 

2. Jeb Bush is a marshmallow.

 

3. Next.

448 When Andrew Breitbart said he liked the comments at AoS do you think he liked all the catpiss stuff?

449 I can understand thew seizures causing the accident but not causing him to leave the scene.   Twice

450 So.... names can change so we can Sock... but the Hash (code) is the actual registration.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2012 11:10 AM (lZBBB)

Hash is derived from the IP.
But yes.  That would work just fine. 
One line of code to match incoming IP to 'user', then a couple lines of code to blank out the "Name: *" box.  A couple more lines to substitute the original user name for DB (legal) purposes while displaying the sock.
It all depends on what blogging package Ace is using, because the PHP has to "know" what the variable names are for that particular package and how to handle them from the database.  Wordpress, Joomla, PHPBB, etc. are all a bit different.

451 Probably the only way to ban people would be to tie membership to address verification or cell phone verification, and not even that is foolproof. In short, someone determined enough can't be banned.

452 >>Posted by: Captain Hate at June 11, 2012 11:17 AM (D1HMA)


The Sushi Lobby prolly got it shitcanned. I think they were in the Land of the Rising Sun/Falling Yen.

453 445- "Yeah, but you get to feel up a bunch of really skinny ballerinas. " I bet they're really flexible and can assume many very interesting positions.

454 If he has a seizure disorder it must be disclosed to the DMV. BTW seizure is sometimes a by-product of a stroke. Fox said he had a pre-existing condition, later reported as a seizure. Possible he has a seizure disorder that is controlled with medication. He would be permitted to drive if he disclosed that. However, if he was over tired his seizure medication may have failed.

455 Exactly PG, a driver.  I expect those people who got hit to be calling lawyers today.

As fr Herr Eric, when you come to visit please bring all those documents Rep. Issa wants to see.  I am inviting him over for a visit you see.  Save you a trip.

456 Re "Patching", McCain says: "Once the actual human beings behind those aliases were discovered — I believe the colloquial term for this is “patched” — then Kimberlin and his surrogates could mount personal attacks against these online critics."

457 So.... names can change so we can Sock... but the Hash (code) is the actual registration.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2012 11:10 AM (lZBBB)

as was mentioned above, changing the hash (IP Address) is inconsequential for most. (even I know how to do it)

My only hope is that there's a way to preserve easy use of sockpuppets.

BTW: even with registration, can't someone manage a new reg after banning? email addys are a dime a dozen and this ip faking puts the icing on that cake. some kind of digital fingerprint?

Everyone will have to get an rfid placed on their forehead and a reader attached to the browser. yeah, that'll work.

458

Posted by: Citizen jwb7605 enhancing his calm at June 11, 2012 11:20 AM (Qxe/p)

 

Actualy simpler.... create a 'code' (hash) for the actual registration, which ties to the IP and email for legal and ban reasons... but use a second short Narrative field for the 'name' allowing us to sock.

459 How does she manage the 140 character limits?

Posted by: kbdabear at June 11, 2012 11:16 AM (Y+DPZ)

Multiple tweets of nonsense, of course.

460

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 11, 2012 11:23 AM (lZBBB)

 

And this would also allow for the conitnuation of EPIC Sock Failage!  LOL

461 This seizure excuse does not add up. Why is nobody in the news questioning this?


Sure a seziure can cause an accident but it does not cause you to intentionally leave th4 scene of the accident.


As I said early this morning on the news thread, a State Patrol officer told me that 99% of the hit and run accidents he knew of the reason for leaving the scene was trying to avoid a DUI.

462 But what about us?

463 Rising Sun/Falling Yen.Posted by: ontherocks

Fallen? I understand the anticipation but the yen's at a 15 year high (if not record high.)

 You are familiar with the term 'the death trade,' are you not?

464 Didn't ace say he would roll out registration today?

465 Hash is derived from the IP.
But yes. That would work just fine.

Not really.  First: it still doesn't avoid the problem of trolls changing their IPs.  Second, it does hurt people like me who (quite legitimately) post from different IPs (I really don't want to have to register twice for my main locations, and then again every time I post from a different McDonald's or Chick-Fil-A or whatever.)

Simple one-time registration where you provide a verifiable email address should be fine.  Then you "log in" with the email address (heck, you could even just use open-id) to even be able to access the comments site at all.  Once you're in the comments section, leave it as is, so you can post with whatever name (that is: sock) you want.

466 War on epilectics?

467 This sock business sounds like Zionism to me.

468 Didn't ace say he would roll out registration today?>>

I seem to remember there was a promise of new blogware some time ago also.

469 While I did not like the spending under W, I still believe he has a principled core of steel and will do what he believes is best for America, now and into the future. The current campaigner-in-chief would switch any position for votes.

Posted by: JudyNM at June 11, 2012 11:19 AM (ie/uy)

Although I enthusiastically voted for GWB twice (since the alternatives were unthinkable) I really hold 2 things against him that no amount of "explanation" will ever satisfy me over and beyond spending money like a drunk sailor:  Not pardoning Scooter Libbey and not holding more pressers to level with people on what was going on in Iraq.

470 he not only left the scene... he went to the hospital and then left the state........

471 Dear Jeb,
What part of "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States" don't you understand?
Peregrine

472

While I did not like the spending under W, I still believe he has a principled core of steel and will do what he believes is best for America, now and into the future.

 

I must disagree. W refused to stand up to the false and scurrilous charges leveled at him for eight long years. His silence equalled  agreement and the years of Bush Derangement Syndrome  on the part of the Left and the MFM (birm) set us up for teh  SCOAMF.

473 Re "Patching", McCain says: "Once the actual human beings behind those aliases werediscovered — I believe the colloquial term for this is “patched” — then Kimberlin and his surrogates could mount personal attacks againstthese onlinecritics."
Oh, that would work.
Wouldn't that be over-playing one's hand? "BReitbart Unamsked" is one thing. "Some commenter known to dozens" wouldn't draw flies.

474 About the crashee?

A diabetic coma or some sort of seizure could allow one to act normal but have very poor motor skills. He may have been having the beginnings of a seizure when the accident occurred or the accident may have caused the seizure.

The brain is a complicated organ and NO two are exactly the same thus a seizure in the same spot on two different people will cause different effects and outward symptoms.

I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. Trauma amnesia does occur.

475 454 "Patch" AoS? What does that mean?
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 11, 2012 11:16 AM

According to RSM, it means acquiring the real identities of those like Ace who post under pseudonyms, then using that information in sinister ways such as making public negative information, SWAT-ting, getting them fired or ruining their businesses, creepy intimidation and stalking of family members, and more

One big reason that Ace did not go to Providence is that many nutjobs on the Left spy on these gatherings, and the Nutroots had a convention in Providence this past weekend also. Several creeps had promised to get inside the Breitbart Awards as moles to get information on Ace in order to get his real identity

476 and the 3rd thing is the creation of the DHS.

477 I think they were in the Land of the Rising Sun/Falling Yen.

Posted by: ontherocks at June 11, 2012 11:21 AM (aZ6ew)

Indeed they were; good hypothesis because I hadn't considered that.

478 Didn't ace say he would roll out registration today?

I think he said it would be ready to test today. I took that as something different than implementing it, but the day is young still, for Ace anyway.

479 >>>I can understand thew seizures causing the accident but not causing him to leave the scene. Twice

Seizures cause severe confusion. I've seen a few and people don't know were they are or what they are doing afterwards.

480 Joy Behar will be launching a daily show on Current TV.

Is there an InTrade on how dire the ratings will be yet?

481

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 11, 2012 11:28 AM (CP+yl)

 

 

Yeah, but do we want this guy helping to run the country?  When he can't F'n Drive?

482 Where was this guy before the accident? Did anyone witness him drinking. Does he have a history of seizures? I'm sure all of this will come out, as sure as I'm sure he's tendering his resignation right now.

483 Joy Behar will be
launching a daily show on Current TV.

Is there an InTrade on how dire the ratings will be yet?

Well, the ratings can't be much worse than their other shows, can it?

484 Actualy simpler.... create a 'code' (hash) for the actual registration, which ties to the IP and email for legal and ban reasons... but use a second short Narrative field for the 'name' allowing us to sock.

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 11, 2012 11:23 AM (lZBBB)

In my perfect world, I'm hoping to register as "jwb7605", which will be my default user name -- I can alter that at will.  It would be nice, actually, if that happened so I wouldn't have to post "OFF, filthy sock" when appropriate.
My actual user name can either be "jwb7605" or "QXE/p".  Or "CitizenDickWad".  That wouldn't matter at all, but it would be 'permanent' at registration-time.
In either case, an additional column will probably be required in the comment DB, and the PHP script will match "jwb7605" with the actual IP I'm registered with before the comments box appears.  Assuming Ace is using MySQL, adding the column without losing prior data (comments) is trivial.

Disclaimer:  I'm 64 years old and rapidly losing my mad skillz at this interwebs programming stuff.

485 I apologize to Bush41. Kinder, gentler. A thousand pixels of light.

 

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 11, 2012 11:14 AM (ZKzrr)

 

[steeples fingers] That would be prudent at this  juncture.  Stay the course.

486 RSM's update on THAT guy, read it to understand what Ace is facing and why

http://tinyurl.com/6rb26m4

487 JOY BEHAR. See Harridan.

488 Seizures cause severe confusion. I've seen a few and people don't know were they are or what they are doing afterwards.

Posted by: Typo Dynamo at June 11, 2012 11:30 AM (MJ76f)

If his seizures are such that he doesn't know what he is doing he shouldn't be driving a car period. In fact, I don't see how could drive away if that was the case.

489

"Seizures cause severe confusion. I've seen a few and people don't know were they are or what they are doing afterwards."

 

So a cabinet secretary in SF driving without security.  With this bunch of commies I'm going to go with the story he got high at a "bath house" and was trolling the area to find a homeless person and eat their face off.  Just as plausible.

490 Maybe this is why Ogabe doesn't meet with cabinet secretaries...he's afraid they will eat his face.

491 >> BTW: even with registration, can't someone manage a new reg after banning? email addys are a dime a dozen and this ip faking puts the icing on that cake.

This is why I think we need some sort of whitelist (I know, raaaacistt!!11!) feature that would identify known Morons. The good kind.

You can't keep people from re-registering with a different email, etc., but new commenters would be on a short leash.

The more difficult we make it for the trolls to do a driveby, the fewer of them we'll have.

492

Bipartisanship: "A state of affairs in which Republicans betray their supporters in order to mollify their political enemies and the editorial boards of The Washington Post and New York Times. Cf., capitulation, professional suicide."

-Tony Snow

493 Bipartisanship means Democrats get to be partisan, Republicans get to be bi.

494 Really, why can't a cabinet secretary get a driver? It's not like he can't afford it and it would be safer.

495

"I'm 64 years old and rapidly losing my mad skillz at this interwebs programming stuff."

 

Heck, at least you had some...

 

So what's all this stuff about Windows 1995?

496 >> I think he said it would be ready to test today.

That's what he said.

I immediately took the over.

497
Aw, c'mon. What Jeb said is exactly the sort of thing you say when you want to play the other side for suckers.

"Sure, we want to negotiate. Let's look for common ground. Well, no, of course, we can't go to that extreme. No, not to that one either. But let's keep talking [while our ninjas suit up to sneak in and strangle yo sorry necks]....

"Gosh, that sounds kinda promising, except for the part about the tax hikes and socialized medicine. I'd say we're getting somewhere. How about we throw in an extra half-trillion for the Navy and Air Force, [boy]?"

498 There's another concern; the stampede for ones' name.

With new registration, it would be possible for another to take a name commonly used now by someone else.

Plus will registration or base user names be allowed to have spaces?

Most user names I have and seen have no spaces. (dumb requirement but hey)

also will one have to retype one's base name all the time for a comment or will it be "cookied" for persistency.

I'm really not asking any of you, I'm just mentioning concerns and maybe they'll float to the top of the actual discussion about how to implement this HISTORIC CHANGE! 

Ace is about to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE WAY THE BLOG WORKS!!1!!!!!!

Aw, that trick never works Bullwinkle. /sarc

499

"The View  co-host Joy Behar will be launching a daily show on Current TV."

 

CurrentTV - where Global Warming  continues, one raving gasbag at a time.

500 crap sock fail

501

Having masticated Jeb Bush's squishyness sufficiently, I just caught this line at Blazing Cat Fur.  The Morens and Ettes being more sophisticated and urban than I I have probably heard this before but it's new to me.  in reference to jugears (we can still say stuff like that right?) " The clothes have no emperor."

502 Ammo Dump, cabinet meeting and crazed zombie...  I now have that image from Heavy Metal of the super smart guy totally losing his cool and blatantly attacking the well endowed secretary.

Thanks...

503

Hey Ace, hit the tip jar a little with my work email address.  Thanks for the reminder guys.

Laura J

504 Well, the ratings can't be much worse than their other shows, can it?

"...what do you mean, the ratings were negative...?"

--To be overheard at CurrentTV offices, in the near future

505 Tesr

506 That's what he said.

I immediately took the over.

Posted by: Andy at June 11, 2012 11:38 AM (5Rurq)

Smart move; anybody that's been involved with software installs knows how unsmooth things go, even with TOP MEN on site.

507
@514

Turns out Secretary of Commerce is higher in the line of Presidential succession than you'd think:

9 Secretary of Agriculture
10 Secretary of Commerce
11 Secretary of Labor

High enough to expect to have security nearby just in case war were declared.

508

 

The more difficult we make it for the trolls to do a driveby, the fewer of them we'll have.

 

Posted by: Andy at June 11, 2012 11:36 AM (5Rurq)

 

I kinda lean towards the method  Uncles Garth and Hub   used  to fend off  traveling salesmen.  Give fair warning, then "encourage"  them to depart the premises  with all due haste.  And a friendly goodbye wave (AoSHQ new civility standards and all)

509 tesr?

better check your blood sugar EJ.

510 I like Tony Snows line.  It's going to my FB page.  I have squandered more than enough of my day on the web.  Keep up the good fight M&M's even if you must be kinder and gentler while doing so.

511 Registration with IP mapping would be tough though - I post from home, work, right now from my data center, from my phone, my iPad... See the issue?

512

"When Andrew Breitbart said he liked the comments at AoS do you think he liked all the catpiss stuff? "

 

I think he liked all of the, "OMG who is that hawttie / WTF is that absolute gollum creature in the background?" comments whenever one of the cob's would put up some sort of serious post with a visual.

 

AoSHQ - We put the "Hyper" in Attention Defic -- O/T but did you  see what just went up on Twitter?

513 EOJ's hash LOL!!!

514  crap sock fail
Posted by: blaster

You crap in a sock?  Why?  Oh, why?

515 Vic--
Re driving away. a classmate of mine had a seizure in our class one day. When he recovered enough I was assigned to escort him to the nurse. He could walk but wasn't sure what had happened or why he was in the hall. We couldn't get him to put on his shoes at first but after we walked a good ways he realized he was barefoot and asked why and where his shoes where. I was holding them in my hands when he asked. Seems to be like senile dementia.

I have little doubt that he could have started a car and driven it into another.

I agree about not driving but depending on the state they use the ADA to determine that people can't be stopped. I think we had that discussion one morning.

516 seizure, my ass
Posted by: soothsayer, for your own good


YES!  Seize my ass!

517 >>You are familiar with the term 'the death trade,' are you not?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 11, 2012 11:25 AM (famk3)

Yeah, more than most. Have buried almost all of my family and a couple of friends. All I have left is 1 sister.

And the death traders are parasites.

Actually that was the time that I learned the most about the destructiveness of anger - in all seriousness.

518 So what's all this stuff about Windows 1995?

Posted by: HH at June 11, 2012 11:37 AM (v+ExF)

I've heard about that.  Supposed to be up and coming technology!
I'm almost finished reading my Windows for Workgroups manual, and that's next on my list!

519

"The more difficult we make it for the trolls to do a driveby, the fewer of them we'll have."

 

Registration results in a verification email sent before you can use the  registered ID.  Email supplies a link to a  Turing-Test style page where you must fill in the correct response to the prompt-question.

 

"Her elbows are _____ ."

"The guys ___ shirts!"

"During SOTU, I beat my ____ like it owed me money."

"____ avis..."

"I want to ____ his garbage!"

520 Yeah, more than most.Posted by: ontherocks

Woah, sorry to hear that but 'the death trade,' as in shorting the Yen. The Yen has been on a incline since the end of the war. People who have bet on a 'falling yet' lose a lot of money.

It will reverse course at some point, but we're not there yet.

521 Jeb Bush has messed in his mess-kit.
Read Ronald Reagan's words. Watch clips. RWR would win as a write-in.
W is the smart one in the family. GWB and Jeb not-so-much.

522

"You crap in a sock? Why? Oh, why?"

 

It keeps his wind  sock cleaner.

523 So what is "the death trade"?

524 I now have that image from Heavy Metal of the super smart guy totally losing his cool and blatantly attacking the well endowed secretary.

He was a malfunctioning robot. Then again... if I had a secretary like that, I might "malfunction" too.

525 See the issue?

Posted by: blaster at June 11, 2012 11:44 AM (SCzqL)

Unless you're posting from all three at once, NO, I don't.
You login once, and that session variable is valid until you close your browser.
Multiple (simultaneous) logins are at the whim of the programmer.

526 My friends, today I'm reaching around...I mean across... the aisle.

527 Who needs Windows '95?  Bah, hokey graphics and cumbersome file management are no match for a good DOS manual at your side, kid.

528 Here's the plan for registration I'd suggest: 1) If you want to keep your old name, you can keep your old name. 2) Utilization of and permission to use socks will be determined by the new Sock Panel at the AOS Dept of Socks. 3) 60,000 new agents will be hired to man the new AOS Revenue Service to insure fairness. This will result in a lower cost per AOS user. 4) Instead of consuming valuable humor and laughter resources at AOS, it may be better for you to take 2 DVDs of Margaret Cho's live comedy act and watch them every 3 to 4 hrs. As I said before, this fundamental change at AOS will result in a much more fair distribution of humor upon the internet.

529 On the fashion blog there was one girl posting from no less than like thirty computers in her office.   It was sad and funny all at the same time.  Her taste and ability to spot or start trends was somewhat lacking so she was trying to make everyone think she had found the next "little black dress" by using all those computers and posting in support of herself.  It was, in the end, very sad.

530 There are two types of Republicans--RINOs who think they have to move left and abandon principles (if they have any) to compromise with the Dems... ...and then there are conservatives and libertarians who understand that they can win by achieving Dem goals such as affordable health care through conservative, market-oriented means. Hoisting the Dems on their own petards, so to speak.

531 ozfic is a "division troll."   Modus operandi:

1) Post some harmless, sympathetic stuff. Blend in for a while.
2) Push some buttons. Really piss a few people off.
3) When confronted, fall back on harmless facade. Play dumb victim.
4) Wait for other posters (who didn't witness the offensive stuff) to defend.
5) BONUS: Someone says something truly offensive in response that can be captured.

It's a goddamn micro-version of the Brett Kimberlin tactic.

It hasn't really worked, but that doesn't stop the attempt. 

532 What could go wrong?

Russell Adds Facebook to Benchmark U.S. Equity Index

http://tinyurl.com/cx78flf

533

@414 - the only thing I would add to the Sinking Boat Allegory might be a part where the Democrats finally agree "something must be done about all this  water in the boat!" after one slips and falls.

 

After which they prompty decide that the best solution is a drain so all the water can escape, and they proceed to punch yet another hole into the hull.

534

@552 - also, on occassion, veer a new thread completely off-course by (apologetically) posting an O/T within the first 20 comments or so.  Sit back and wait for people to either take the bait, or go off on her for going O/T.

 

Either way, mission accomplished.

535 The Republican Party is just as uselessly 'extreme' as the Democrat Party. Whining about the message and shooting the messenger does not change that fact. Parties are their image. Only that and nothing more and the public face and image of the Republicans is definitely 'extreme'. From the rantings of many unrealistic fiscal conservatives who appear to believe that it is possible to make things OK simply by cutting spending, to the so-con wing which is by definition,'extreme', the 'image' and frankly probably the reality of the party is one of shallow thinking true believers. Don't like that image ----- do something about it. And by doing something, I don't mean complaining about how unfair it all is. If Howard Dean were a Republican with the same thought patterns as current Republicans he would fit right in. That's a problem. It just is. Seamlessly

536 Sheesh, sometimes I feel like we need to ban ozfic just to keep the rest of you clowns from gratuitously hijacking threads to talk about her/him/it.

This is one of those times.<<<<

DO IT NOW.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 11, 2012 11:09 AM (JDIKC)

 

Why ban when a simple troll alert will do, meaning read and laugh, but do not feed.  They feed off renting a space in your head.

 

We should all come up with an site-approved alert (meaning approved by us, natch), such as:  TROLL ALERT:  NO VACANCY.   Or some such.

537 552 ozfic is a "division troll." Modus operandi:

1) Post some harmless, sympathetic stuff. Blend in for a while.
2) Push some buttons. Really piss a few people off.
3) When confronted, fall back on harmless facade. Play dumb victim.
4) Wait for other posters (who didn't witness the offensive stuff) to defend.
5) BONUS: Someone says something truly offensive in response that can be captured.

It's a goddamn micro-version of the Brett Kimberlin tactic.

It hasn't really worked, but that doesn't stop the attempt.

Posted by: grognard at June 11, 2012 12:06 PM (NS2Mo)

No, I'm not what you call a troll.  I'm a busy person and sometimes I'm very busy and can only post something going on in real time O/T in a post.  I sometimes think it's because I'm an independent and a new yorker, the hate is palpable.  I mean do you want to stay in your little conservative bubble, with only people who agree with you?  or do you want to hear opinions of people who aren't wearing the republican or conservative label?   If Ace wants a site made up only of conservatives who believe the same stuff and agree with one another all day patting each other on the back, that's fine, it's his site.  But that should be said.  So people who aren't a part of the ideology don't post their comments.

Either way, I feel bad for ace.  The site is changing.  Once the requirement of registering is put in place there will be many commenters who don't register for personal or professional reasons.  What made this site different from the other run of the mill conservative sites was the anonymity.  So, in that respect, those who wanted to squelch free speech, by forcing ace to put a non anon vetting in place, will have won. 

538 I think flags should be part of the new new comments thingy.

Not up/down but a troll flag/abusive commenter.

this would aid the "troll buster" brigade and easy their work load.

(btw who knew their was a troll brigade? Well done for them as it was done without notice.)

I'm guessing that the soft ware will take a bit of time to perfect and then Ace will wait for the next ###hole to get in his face and BAM down comes the curtain.

Or not. Depends on how fast Pixy can whip those hamsters.

539 oZfic loses anonymity; WIN!

You just don't get the internet, do you?

540 There is some truth to what Jeb is saying.  While Reagan had very strong personal conservative values, he wasn't about shoving those values down someone's throat.  He said that the states should set their own policies and the people could vote with their feet.  He was actually a fairly staunch federalist, as Romney is.  In fact, politically, I find Romney very close to Reagan both personally and politically, albeit without Reagan's gift in his ability to communicate directly to the individual.

I was an adult and politically aware during Reagan's 1976 and 1980 runs for President.  One of the things I heard at the time was "We don't need some movie star from California who ran the commie actors union as President".

But it was Jerry Falwell who had the most influence, possibly through the press he got at the time, in polarizing things.  It was the "moral majority" movement, though actually fairly small on the scale of the entire electorate, that was used by the media to frame the Republican party as a bunch of bible-thumping rednecks in order to attempt to stem the hemorrhage of Democrats to the Republican toward the end of Reagan's first term as the economy had turned around and Reagan's popularity was soaring.

At that point practically all media interviews suddenly switched from political questions to social questions.  "What is your stand on abortion" became the mandatory question to ask all Republican candidates and they were portrayed by the media as being anti-woman ever since.  They notion that Republicans were the party of the barefoot and pregnant wife began in the last year of the Reagan administration and we have been unable to shake that since.  Candidates like Santorum don't help to shake that image, either.  Santorum politically is a socially conservative Democrat that can not align with the DNC because of their stands on abortion and contraception.  Everything about Santorum's vision of the role of government and big labor reeks of statism.  But he is a social conservative so he puts an R after his name.

Jerry Falwell was probably the worst thing to ever happen to the Republican Party as the media used that as a brush to paint the entire party.
 

541 I think he some words out. ISWYDT

542 No, I'm not what you call a troll. You're a site pest. Your views are trite and provincial, your online personality offensive. Not one person would complain if you never posted here again. Not one.

543

Posted by: crosspatch at June 11, 2012 12:27 PM (ZbLJZ

great point. I was a reagan dem, and I never felt that reagan tried shove his values down on others, he was a social conservative, but never judgemental. I saw Sarah Palin in that same sense, she is much more social conservative than me, but as a governor she didn't use her power as a governor to that extent, she just tried to limit the reach of her state's govt as much as she could with limited, fiscal discipline.

544 This is complete BS.

The GOP just nominated a self described Progressive who urged Obama to adopt a federal ind mandate, increased state spending 10% in a single year, and imposed a gun tax.

I don't know that this is because the GOP is less conservative.  I think our primaries need to be reformed and what happened was a winnowing out of conservatives (not to mention ballot access).

What's done is done, and I hope Romney beats Obama, but the idea the GOP wouldn't nominate Reagan today when it just nominated Romney is pretty absurd.

545 A few folks on Twitter, including Jeff Emanuel who is usually pretty sharp, seem to think there's context to explain this. But the context, at least as reported, is that Jeb is saying the GOP is hyperpartisan (as are the Dems, which he conceded)... although he says it's temporary. My take is he is trying to distance himself from this "bad thing" by saying he is not that way (that's the "I don't" part). There's no spinning saying Reagan would not be elected by current GOPers imho. Foolish thing to say.

546 Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at June 11, 2012 12:33 PM (ACkhT)

Exactly.  It is more about the role of government than about someone's personal social leanings, to me.  Someone who believes in smaller government, getting more done at the state level, and getting rid of the notion that the federal government is somehow responsible for "taking care of you" is key.

I would suggest that every watch Reagan's first inaugural address which is available on YouTube (the 1981 address).

547 he's right. The democrats turned this into a vicious game and they had the monopoly on out of control partisanship. Now, we on the right are playing their game and they're whining.
I don't think we will be able to turn this around and it'll be a circlefest  until one or the other blinks.

548

I be glad when glad when the Bush family end up in the same place as Ron
Reagan Jr. Gone and soon forgotten.

 

549 Fuck Jeb Bush and his whole pro-illegal immigration family.  If it wasn't for the first one, we wouldn't have ended up with 8 years of Clinton (who in fairness, governed more conservatively than either of them).  And the second one fucked us so bad that he set up conditions where we could elect the current stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Oh, and to paraphrase ex-heavyweight champ Larry Holmes, the Bushes couldn't carry Ronald Reagan's jock strap.  Now go away.  Forever.

550 Posted by: Y-not at June 11, 2012 12:42 PM (5H6zj)

I would agree that it is likely temporary UNLESS something else comes along that the media can use as a brush to paint the entire party again.  That is less likely this time as we have alternative means of communications that are not under the control of a bunch of editors and journalists sitting on a conference call with the DNC.

I also agree that it is temporary because I believe President Romney is going to surprise a lot of people.  After his popularity starts to soar when the economy turns around, probably the second or third year of his administration, it will be just like in Reagan's day when everyone will jump on board claiming they were for Romney all along. 

551 Sounds to me like Jeb Bush is trying to run for VP, using a lame "unite America" theme.

552
Jeb's got one big plus in speaking Spanish pretty well.
OTOH, he appears to be a complete retard, which kinda offsets that.

553 This crap is on the front page of the LA TImes website. Because it's soooooo noteworthy. Bleh!

554 No, I'm not what you call a troll. I'm a busy person and sometimes I'm very busy and can only post something going on in real time O/T in a post.

Your "busy" is not a good reason for consistently doing what you do.

I sometimes think it's because I'm an independent and a new yorker, the hate is palpable.

I believe you're a new yorker.  I don't believe you're "independent."

I mean do you want to stay in your little conservative bubble, with only people who agree with you? or do you want to hear opinions of people who aren't wearing the republican or conservative label? If Ace wants a site made up only of conservatives who believe the same stuff and agree with one another all day patting each other on the back, that's fine, it's his site. But that should be said. So people who aren't a part of the ideology don't post their comments.

You never post ideas contrary to conservative or libertarian thought. Ever.  Your posts do, however, have the ring of someone who knows what the philosophy is, but not of someone who has internalized it.

Either way, I feel bad for ace. The site is changing. Once the requirement of registering is put in place there will be many commenters who don't register for personal or professional reasons. What made this site different from the other run of the mill conservative sites was the anonymity. So, in that respect, those who wanted to squelch free speech, by forcing ace to put a non anon vetting in place, will have won.

Why feed bad for Ace?  This is his decision, to protect him.  If some people don't want to log in to speak their mind on his blog, maybe their opinions weren't worth the time it takes to type them.

555 Why feed bad for Ace? This is his decision, to protect him. If some people don't want to log in to speak their mind on his blog, maybe their opinions weren't worth the time it takes to type them.

Posted by: grognard at June 11, 2012 02:12 PM (NS2Mo)

Your other comments were purely opinion, your opinion so I'll addresses the one I disagree with.  I think he might lose some of his commenters,  We have no way of gauging whether or not some people not only read ace's post but actually seek out the opinions of certain commenters.   Time will tell.

556 Posted by: faith at June 11, 2012 02:22 PM (oZfic)
disclaimer before you word smiths start a meme that I agree with everything that was said by Posted by: grognard at June 11, 2012 02:12 PM (NS2Mo) because I said the one thing i disagree with...

No I'm not agreeing with anything grognard said vis a vie me and my comments but to think they know the future and will definitively decided that the readers only read the comments that the likes of grognard deems good and acceptable is to be wholly naive.

But, then again, in reading some of the comments on the thread from people who lurk and read and having some say they were surprised to see so many lurkers/readers makes me think some have no conception of the real world in which they live.

557 Jeb Bush is an idiot. Reagan was undermined by GHWB several times. Reagan was not perfect but he got this country back on the right track at the time. Reagan did not do all that he said he would, like getting rid of the Dept of Education but he did not have a R congress so he did not get all done that he could have if he had had a conservative R congress. We must get control of the House and the Senate this go round and they must be as conservative as possible. Then we need to start day one after taking the WH with Romney to prepare to get Allen West to run for President 2016. He is the man we need in the WH. West for President 2016.

558 " Reagan was undermined by GHWB several times."

But most notably by Newt Gingrich who basically proclaimed Reagan's cold war strategy to be incompetent when he was in the House.

559 Jeb, put a sock in that pie hole of yours

560 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

561 Jeb has been dead to me since his ridiculous statements about the Arizona immigration law.

562 The left tries to push the "normal" to the left so they can claim that anyone else is "extreme." Actually they try to claim the center (see the "new tone" horsepuckey), then push it left (see "March through the institutions" especially the MSM). As a result, they sit on MSNBC (far to the left of, say, CNN's origins) and pretend to be the center so they can try to silence opposition. People like Meggie Mac or Jeb or Frum are essentially agents working to silence the side they claim to be on. Whether they're "useful idiots" like McCain or active infiltrators like Weigel, the consequences are what matter.

563 California elected Ahnuld twicw. Mitt better get the love child machine cranked up.

564 Just off the top of my head, how about "fuck Jeb Bush"?

He's even more liberal than his brother.  Screw him.  Let's take the effort to make sure he never works in politics again.

565 Hey Ace,

Jeb's not saying the "establishment" of the GOP is too extreme, he's saying that YOU and your ilk are too extreme, shit-for-brains.