November 09, 2012
— rdbrewer There are certain hard and fast rules in negotiating, and if you don't know those, you can't do it. I'm not saying John Boehner isn't a nice, intelligent man. But he is risky business adverse, even when it's not that risky. Some people are just like that. Some people would rather buy a Saturn, where you go in and pay the price--where you don't have to negotiate with the salesman. (That was one of the selling points of the Saturn; you paid a set price, no haggling.) A lot of people just don't like the pressure of negotiating, even when it doesn't hurt. They're not wired that way.
Remember last week when it seemed like Romney would win? Harry Reid put down his marker immediately: "I just can't work with Romney." Now, that's not necessarily true, but that's what you do in a tough negotiation; you stake out a tough position. You prep the battlefield. You take the hardest-line posture and then work back from there.
What did John Boehner do after the election? He talked immediately about raising revenue. "[T]he American people expect us to find common ground, we are willing to accept some additional revenues, via tax reform." See the difference? Reid knows how to deal.
Speaker Boehner should have matched Harry Reid: "President Obama is too extreme, and unless he's willing to finally give a little and bring a plan to the table, I don't see how anything will change." Although that's not necessarily true, that's what you would say. Then you would work back from the hardline ground that you've occupied. Speaker Boehner did the same thing in July of 2011 when he blurted out in an interview, to paraphrase, "Oh, no, we won't shut down the government." Whether or not that was true, it's not something he should have said out loud.
In The Godfather Don Corleone gets angry with Santino when he speaks out of turn during a negotiation: "You never tell anyone outside the Family what you are thinking again!" Speaker Boehner's natural impulse is to be honest. That isn't always helpful at the beginning of a negotiation.
This is one area where Donald Trump speaks with authority. He's fond of saying, from memory, "The right guy can get the deal. You can send one guy in who can't get anything done and then send in another guy with the same deal and he can get the deal. The only difference is the guy you sent in."
Here's another contrast: Remember Ronald Reagan's first meeting with Gorbachev at Reykjavik? Reagan blew Gorbachev out of his chair in the first minutes of the first day. He put a stranglehold on the hardliner ground and put Gorbachev on the defensive. Gorbachev shot back, "Mr. President, I am not a student, you are not a teacher." Well, as soon as Gorbachev said that, Ronald Reagan was the teacher. It was over. The proper response was to try to reclaim the hardline ground.
It's just posturing, but it's effective. Ronald Reagan was a master negotiator. He had the natural ability plus all those years as president of SAG and dealing with Hollywood lawyers. Gorbachev didn't stand a chance.
One last contrast: Obama is not a negotiator either, but he does have people who do know what they're doing. He pwned the hardliner ground today. Ace has already written about it: Give Me My Tax Hikes On Those Making $250,000 Or More Right Now, Before Anything Else, As a Show of Good Faith. Does Obama appear to be "seeking common ground" here? No, of course not. As with the Harry Reid and Ronald Reagan examples above, it's just starting point for negotiating. But it's what you do.
Why must we sound conciliatory while they never do? Granted, we're not going to get a headline from the New York Times that says "If Harry Reid is trying to seem conciliatory, heÂ’s not doing a great job of it." But that shouldn't dictate our approach. Take the hardline stance and work back from there. Be conciliatory at the end, not at the beginning.
All this is to say Boehner has to go. I like him, and he's a good man, but he has been out of his depth with Reid, and Pelosi, and the White House. High stakes deal-making is not something he is well-suited for. It comes naturally to some people. To others, it does not.
Coffee is for closers (NSFW).
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Posted by: jwest at November 09, 2012 11:04 AM (ZDsRL)
Now, on to the fun part:
"President Obama is too extreme, and unless he's willing to finally give a little and bring a plan to the table, I don't see how anything will change."
So, how does that work if Obama won the election? You have to at least start from something vaguely tenable...
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at November 09, 2012 11:04 AM (opLk0)
My time machine has lost the coordinates for the local Saturn dealership. I'm pretty sure I dial in the year 2007, but after that things get fuzzy.
Posted by: Joe Biden, I think[/i] at November 09, 2012 11:04 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: Pyro Pete at November 09, 2012 11:05 AM (L5yyj)
The Dems probably need Republicans more than we do, as they need a boogey man to instill fear and deflect blame from themselves
Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 11:05 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Sam at November 09, 2012 11:06 AM (QfT2C)
Boner is NOT a good man. He occupies an important position in which he's incompetent, simply because it's his turn. If he were a good man he would get out of the way.
Was Gen. Ambrose Burnside, architect of the disaster at Fredericksburg, a good man? Sure he was, until he was promoted above his level of competence. Then he wasn't. Did some good work early on, before all that.
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at November 09, 2012 11:07 AM (w41GQ)
Posted by: Fritz at November 09, 2012 11:10 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 09, 2012 12:04 PM (jUytm)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 09, 2012 12:05 PM (fCMdQ)
We have been holding back the forces of chaos for four years and had our hats handed to us.
What's the end game here?
Posted by: PJ at November 09, 2012 12:05 PM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:06 PM (YdQQY)
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Posted by: spongeworthy at November 09, 2012 12:11 PM (r5w1L)
Posted by: skinbad at November 09, 2012 04:09 PM (87v44)
A Republican always count on a hard line screwing from the MFM regardless of what they do.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:11 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 12:12 PM (0q2P7)
This just keeps getting better. Boner is our party leader?
Fuck it. Just let the woookie win. It is inevitable and will hurt less.
Posted by: Invictus at November 09, 2012 12:12 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Craig Poe at November 09, 2012 12:13 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at November 09, 2012 12:13 PM (mukPq)
Yes, and he took an ass screwing from the MFM anyway, a double ass screwing at that.
So fuck them all in the ass with a pineapple. Tell them to eat shit and die. If Boner would do that I would move to KY and vote for him next time.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:13 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:14 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Craig Poe at November 09, 2012 04:13 PM (BVkEs)
Fuck that shit, go full nuke. Make one of the new conservatives from SC the SOH.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (YdQQY)
I too would prefer to see a new Speaker next term. Someone younger and less tainted by decades of accomodating the Beltway Way as Boehner has done for far far too long.
Like Hastert, Frist, Delay, Livingstone, McConnell, Ginrich and Bush before him, the Speaker went full Animal Farm a long time ago and is not much use now that we know with 110% certainty that the other side is not interested one bit in anything but getting their way straight down the line by any means necessary.
Not saying hire a bomb thrower as Speaker, but no more mentally-weak, tone deaf media lap dogs ready and willing to roll over and capitulate at the first belleh scritch.
Posted by: MikeD at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (p8QOg)
Just please, don't anyone say they are surprised that this jiggling blob of jello is behaving like, well, a jiggling blob of jello.
Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (qEkGZ)
You'll have to cross into Oiho to do it. Heh.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (/kI1Q)
Time for a rank and file revolt in the House GOP. Get Agent Orange the hell out of the Speaker's chair. Install a solidly based red state leader to reward loyalty and consistency. Open to suggestions.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (ymG7s)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (mukPq)
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Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 09, 2012 12:16 PM (hNXHo)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 09, 2012 04:15 PM (/kI1Q)
LOL, I thought he was from KY. That asswipe McConnell is the one from KY then.
I ain't moving to Oiho, too cold and too blue.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Weeping Boner at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (fCMdQ)
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Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2012 04:16 PM (FcR7P)
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You rang?
Posted by: Reggie Love at November 09, 2012 12:18 PM (BVkEs)
A dude who merges too late on the highway is an antisocial asshole who deserves to burn in a ditch. You can feel that. But this weeping orange ape-slot who's gonna just casually DESTROY US ALL because doing otherwise might be a breach of his class's etiquette, he's "good."
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Posted by: oblig. at November 09, 2012 12:18 PM (cePv8)
Posted by: The Q at November 09, 2012 12:18 PM (w4fEE)
Posted by: Craig Poe at November 09, 2012 04:13 PM (BVkEs)
Im not sure that this would help. Remember how Biden pushed Ryan around without meeting any resistance? Ryan is a smart wonk, but I dont see any teeth. Eric Cantor has more of a backbone than Boner or Ryan and he isnt very good either. But at least the President really hates him.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 09, 2012 12:19 PM (dqGv3)
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Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 09, 2012 12:19 PM (fCMdQ)
Posted by: slatz at November 09, 2012 04:19 PM (mE0Rl)
That's why I said one of the guys from SC.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:20 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 09, 2012 12:20 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Nate at November 09, 2012 12:20 PM (i3OIF)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 09, 2012 12:20 PM (fCMdQ)
The proper response to a Democrat's request for compromise is, "You'll get nothing and like it".
The proper response to a Democrats saying "Stop beating me" is "The beatings will continue until morale improves". Alternate answer to that is "The only reason I'd stop beating you is to kill you".
The proper response to "I won" is "Not in 90% of the nation's counties you didn't, motherfucker".
Democrats deserve nothing but contempt.
Posted by: Negotiation Tactics 101 at November 09, 2012 12:20 PM (P2Ufm)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 12:21 PM (X3lox)
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Posted by: Evilpens at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: mikey at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (KZkU9)
He specializes in giving speeches on the floor.
Make that solely his job to poke the Dems in the eye with truth, and he'll never lose his seat since he is in a safe district.
Sounds a lot like Pelosi.
Posted by: Jay in Ames at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (i2Lsf)
Posted by: Negotiation Tactics 101 at November 09, 2012 04:20 PM (P2Ufm)
...and a barbed pineapple up the ass followed by a baseball bat side the head.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (YdQQY)
Then have him Ride around on the back of some giant dude like Master Blaster did in Barter Town.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (tf9Ne)
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Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 12:23 PM (a0nis)
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 09, 2012 04:22 PM (JWLqy)
Okay, that stinks on ice.
Posted by: joncelli at November 09, 2012 12:23 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Craig Poe at November 09, 2012 12:24 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 09, 2012 12:25 PM (++kZl)
Patreus is resigning as head of the CIA.
Posted by: Ed Anger at November 09, 2012 03:02 PM (tOkJB)
Good to see all you guys read the fucking blog.
Posted by: © Sponge at November 09, 2012 12:25 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 09, 2012 12:26 PM (x0g8a)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 09, 2012 04:20 PM (fCMdQ)
But my point isnt limited to debates either. Ryan isnt a deal maker, he is an issue oriented wonk. He is not into political hardball. He is nice and intelligent like Boner. Can you seriously imagine Ryan playing dirty tricks to get an advantage during negotiations? Maybe thats my fault, but I cant. I can however imagine Cantor doing that.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 09, 2012 12:26 PM (dqGv3)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 09, 2012 12:26 PM (DuH+r)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at November 09, 2012 12:26 PM (mukPq)
Fuck that shit, shut down the government and tell them to eat shit and die.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:26 PM (YdQQY)
For those of you in Repub. Districts, get off your ass and send them an angry email or call to fire Boehner's ass as speaker. The vote will come very soon and our leverage will soon be gone with members.
We need someone as Speaker who will go crazy Ivan on the Dems before negotiating or at least Boehner needs to delegate to someone who will.
Put Bachmann on it, at least the Newsweek cover showed her with magic crazy eyes. Imagine Dems negotiating in a room with that going for us.
Posted by: wg at November 09, 2012 12:27 PM (MnoZQ)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 09, 2012 12:28 PM (++kZl)
Read the blog. All these people say read the blog. Everyone knows. You've got to comment on the blog to find out what's in it.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 12:28 PM (0q2P7)
"I am bent over, grasping my ankles, and anxiously anticipating the 'back and forth' of my 'negotiations' with Speaker Reid and President Obama."
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at November 09, 2012 12:28 PM (HqpV0)
"The new speaker should be someone from a safe district in the south without much re-election risk."
Patrick McHenry, just re-elected in the 10th NC District. He is sharp, been in the House for 5 terms.
Posted by: DaveinNC at November 09, 2012 12:29 PM (boNGU)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 09, 2012 12:29 PM (jUytm)
Oh, now you're Andrew Breitbart?!!
< gesticulates >
Posted by: Joey Biden [/i] [/b] at November 09, 2012 12:29 PM (SX6wc)
Posted by: pissed off at November 09, 2012 12:29 PM (4Yjj9)
This is the we hate Crying Boner thread.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:30 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 12:30 PM (Td9D+)
Posted by: sans_sheriff at November 09, 2012 12:30 PM (OQHM+)
Posted by: mr.midnight at November 09, 2012 12:31 PM (Kv/xV)
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Damn. Does that mean Hector (with the latino/a spouse) will not be here?
Posted by: RioBravo at November 09, 2012 12:31 PM (eEfYn)
Posted by: DaveinNC at November 09, 2012 04:29 PM (boNGU)
NC too purple now. Still say go with SC. The only way a conservative Republican here gets defeated in the House is to get primaried by one more conservative.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:31 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Whatev at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (mukPq)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 12:33 PM (Ho2rs)
Actually, I half assed of think we SHOULD give in. The people that will be hurt are not the rich, they will be fine. The people that will be hurt is the Free Shit crowd.
We need a small business strike, or sorts. Cutting of Payrolls, doing what they need to do to keep their businesses going, but limiting their expansion to what keeps them comfortable and what keeps them under the lines drawn to have to comply to all the new regulations.
The Beast needs to be starved, and Business owners are the ones to do it.
Let the economy implode. make the budget mess worse. It may be the only way to save the country.
Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 09, 2012 12:33 PM (4ABat)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 09, 2012 12:33 PM (hNXHo)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 09, 2012 12:33 PM (JVGuP)
Petraeus can be...compelled...to testify before Congress.
According to John Bolton...just now, on Cavuto.
Petraeus can be subpoena'd.
Posted by: wheatie at November 09, 2012 12:35 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 04:33 PM (Ho2rs)
That post was crying for a Dole sock
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:35 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 12:35 PM (bnAKg)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 12:36 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at November 09, 2012 12:36 PM (mukPq)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 09, 2012 12:36 PM (hNXHo)
**Actually only 30%, but those damn Venezuelan voting macheenes no comprendo senor Romney.
Posted by: Joe Mama at November 09, 2012 12:37 PM (JJ+PT)
Posted by: Craig Poe at November 09, 2012 04:13 PM (BVkEs)
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Levin talked a bit about it last night. Said there were some House repubs talking about it.
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 12:37 PM (xZZ44)
So maybe not such a weak stick after all.
Posted by: Llarry at November 09, 2012 12:37 PM (JgHoa)
Exactly.
It's all just surreal.
WE HAVEN"T EVEN HAD A BUDGET IN 3-1/2 YEARS!!
How in the hell are they going to pass all of this?
Will the continuing resolutions form the base of whatever is cobbled together?
I HATE ALL OF THESE MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 12:37 PM (06lNq)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 12:37 PM (bnAKg)
Posted by: iconoclast at November 09, 2012 12:38 PM (EDF2i)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 09, 2012 12:38 PM (ck76k)
The republicans simply need to say ( and repeat this every day in every media outlet they can) we need specific proposed cuts by Obama and Reid on paper before we will talk about raising any taxes. Specific cuts... in writing. Then we will talk about compromise.
The media constantly asks republicans about specific cuts so they can go get a single mom sop story to run in the headlines and on tv. So lets here some specific cuts.... not this bullsh*t made up crap about tax cuts to businesses that ship jobs overseas.... specific cuts.
Specific cuts or no deals. End of story.
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 09, 2012 12:38 PM (tPHZQ)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 04:35 PM (bnAKg)
Amen!
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 09, 2012 12:38 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Knot at November 09, 2012 12:39 PM (6AbcC)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at November 09, 2012 12:39 PM (mukPq)
Whoever is the Speaker right now, they're going to be demonized by the Barky-media.
Whatever they do, they will be scapegoated, demagogued and vilified.
If they go right...or if they go left, doesn't matter.
They will be eviscerated.
This is a given.
So, if Boehner still wants the job...let him have it.
Posted by: wheatie at November 09, 2012 12:39 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 09, 2012 12:39 PM (hNXHo)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 09, 2012 12:39 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 09, 2012 12:39 PM (jUytm)
Let Barky get everything he wants.
8 of 12 of the wealthiest counties in the country went O fuckhead.
Enjoy the ride retards.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:39 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 09, 2012 12:40 PM (hNXHo)
Get outta my head, bro. I can't have any fun if you delivered the right analysis of Boner first.
Anyone who is willing to hand Choom Boy MOAR TAXES without knowing exactly where and how the treasonous fuckweasel intends to spend them -- and demanding he stick to his alleged "plan" exactly -- is a spineless, mindless piece of shit.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 09, 2012 12:40 PM (yKUrR)
Those statements are for public consumption.
You put out to the media immediately that you are the one who is willing to negotiate.
Boehner knows full well that he's going to be made out to be the bad guy when negotiations break down. This is just so he can say "I said from day one I would be willing to compromise on revenues as long as it was through tax reform. The President and Mr. Reid are not willing to negotiate.. blah blah blah.."
He said on ABC News last night that he is willing to talk about increased revenues, but not without tax reform.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 09, 2012 12:40 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Armando at November 09, 2012 12:41 PM (5iuEW)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 12:42 PM (bnAKg)
Actually, it won't matter who is speaker or that the House is still repub held. Dear Leader is going to be ruling by EO anyway.
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 12:42 PM (xZZ44)
Snark-free Soup Lines.
Posted by: sTevo at November 09, 2012 12:42 PM (ldLaj)
Posted by: GalosGann at November 09, 2012 12:42 PM (T3KlW)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 09, 2012 12:43 PM (jUytm)
Enjoy the ride retards.
#LetItBurn, amen.
Posted by:Rob Mcneece at November 09, 2012 04:40 PM (hNXHo)
If Pirates take your ship it is better to burn it then to let it fall into their hands.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 09, 2012 12:43 PM (R9579)
Obama for Infinity
What did I tell you wingnutz? HAPPY DAYS ARE HIER AGAIN!!1!
Posted by: Typical Leftard at November 09, 2012 12:43 PM (5iuEW)
Ace, and anybody else
Feel free to delete, ban, whatever!!
I work nights This morning I drank some beers, and spouted off.
Took a nap, woke up.
I think it was Maet that posted (in comments a couple days ago) he associates w/ GOP personnel. If I miscalled the name, please forgive me.
I went to the RNC website.and tried to contact RNC. Got "Send us an Email. " Send I did.
Friday afternoon, and I can't get in touch w/ anybody!!
Buddy, these people called me all thru the weekends, and I CANNOT get it touch, except thru Email?
Posted by: dDan at November 09, 2012 12:43 PM (q1RJB)
You got it. I've been saying that here for a year.
hell that's why Amnesty is no longer a concern to me as a cave.
We should be chanting 'abolish the INS" I had Chinese friends get sent home.
If Juan gets a pass in why not Weichang?
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:44 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 09, 2012 12:44 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 09, 2012 12:45 PM (++kZl)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 09, 2012 12:45 PM (ZPrif)
The Internet is Ewoks all the way down!
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 09, 2012 12:45 PM (XMaKL)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, raving lunatic about Benghazi at November 09, 2012 12:45 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 04:42 PM (xZZ44)
Nail. Head.
That's what we're up against. How many clowns can get in one car? The surrealism of the next 4 years would make Fellini weep in admiration. Don't get invested in their insanity, people. Just revel in the absurdity that's going to unfold.
Posted by: tubal at November 09, 2012 12:45 PM (BoE3Z)
You're gonna look pretty funny tryin' to eat corn on the cob with no fuckin' teeth!
Posted by: Tucker McElroy at November 09, 2012 12:46 PM (YdQQY)
it's a good Euchre play, and frankly he KNOWS he is with Captain EO now.
Boehner's gotta call his shots on trying to thwart shit.
I say go Choom one better and call for abolishing INS.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:46 PM (LRFds)
Lets build some light rail between them and the inner-city so they can share their wealth more personally.
I know that doesn't make sense since it's counties. What I mean is connect the outer ring lefties to the underclass they build by electing Obama.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 09, 2012 12:46 PM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 09, 2012 12:46 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 04:35 PM
Fuck yeah, not only does he have balls that clank, but they shoot flames too.
Posted by: Berserker at November 09, 2012 12:46 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: wth at November 09, 2012 12:46 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: jdp at November 09, 2012 12:46 PM (gfPGB)
Posted by: rickl at November 09, 2012 12:46 PM (zoehZ)
I don't care thanks for playing we're likely gonna lose the house in 2014 anyway.
Let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:47 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 09, 2012 12:47 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at November 09, 2012 12:47 PM (mukPq)
Because Boehner can't magically undo a royal assfucking of an election and MAKE Obama do anything?
Obama refused to pay GIs at war and NOBODY CARED!
Fuck it let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:48 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 12:48 PM (Kqtqx)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 09, 2012 12:48 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: Fresh at November 09, 2012 12:48 PM (O7ksG)
"Raising tax rates is unacceptable," Boehner, R-Ohio, said in his first broadcast interview since the election Tuesday.
"Frankly, it couldn't even pass the House. I'm not sure it could pass the Senate."
Settle down. Nobody has caved Bronco Bamma yet.
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 09, 2012 12:48 PM (x0g8a)
Posted by: small town girl at November 09, 2012 12:49 PM (CPoFy)
Posted by: boner sucks at November 09, 2012 12:49 PM (Kflw4)
Oooooh! You mean Boner is actually smarter than we are and has a Sooper Sekret Plan to show what a brilliant leader and solid conservative he is?
Damn, that would be a first!
Screw that, it's bullshit. Let him go cry to Open Borders Hannity.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 09, 2012 12:50 PM (yKUrR)
correct and I am saying and I will be writing John or looking for him at Xmas time back in Troy.....
"John let him have it force the total repeal and go long game."
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:50 PM (LRFds)
The shut down the fucking government. What will they do blame Republicans? The MFM say mean things about them
Guess what, Boner has done NOTHING but bend over for the SOBs since he took the gavel from the SF bitch. AND they still do all that shit.
Don't burn it down, shut it down.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:50 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 12:51 PM (X3lox)
Email!! A MFn Email.
Buddy, you called me and I can't get in touch w/ you????!!!!!
Keep your play!!
Because that is all it is!!
Posted by: dDan at November 09, 2012 12:51 PM (q1RJB)
Why should anyone be asked to pay "a little more" to pay for Obama's corruption and 4 years of waste?
Posted by: Fresh at November 09, 2012 12:51 PM (O7ksG)
Or how about when choom king declared congress to be in recess so he could make a recess appointment and Boner did exactly nothing about it.
Fucking pussy!!
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 12:52 PM (06lNq)
I like kids. I like them so much that I came up with Boner Candyland, a new board game for kids!
Did I mention I like kids?
Posted by: Harry Reid at November 09, 2012 12:52 PM (5iuEW)
Yeah I guess it does huh?
Tell you what don't vote for John Boehner, don't worry I won't either.
I know let's shut everything down as opening position with a press that carried a Kenyan sack of shit past dead bodies to victory.
I'm sure they'll let us make our case.
Let it burn
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:52 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 12:52 PM (r2PLg)
Say this Boehner. please>
"Why should anyone be asked to give up "a little more" to pay for your corruption and waste, Mr. president?"
Posted by: Fresh at November 09, 2012 12:53 PM (O7ksG)
NOT THIS. Sorry, but if you lose 50-48 in the final moments of a game that is NOT a 'royal assfucking'. Yeah, it's an (L) in the loss column but it's not anything equivalent to the 'walk of shame'. Please put you man pants on and take off the mom jeans.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 09, 2012 12:53 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Openminded Harvard Undergrad at November 09, 2012 12:53 PM (LXKJo)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 12:53 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 09, 2012 04:48 PM (x0g8a)
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There's a key word in Ken's statement. Anybody want to guess what it is?
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 12:53 PM (xZZ44)
So. He's jumpy.
Posted by: rdbrewer at November 09, 2012 12:54 PM (Iyg03)
Posted by: Openminded Harvard Undergrad at November 09, 2012 12:54 PM (LXKJo)
I'm game Vic....I know let's sell the American people as opening gambit that "you decided to elect Santa Claus the Marxist 'tard for president and by golly we're gonna keep him from giving you your Hopium and unicorns by shutting it down.
Obama will refuse to send out social security checks and pay GIs and I AM preparing for it and if the implosion waits 60 days I will have 30 grand in the bank to run away lauighing dye my hair black and learn a fake mexican accent.
let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:54 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Nate at November 09, 2012 12:55 PM (i3OIF)
what's this Constitution thing you speak of as Chaz gibby sez "never heard of it"
for fuck's sakes obama would try to EO a forced expenditure America DOES NOT CARE ANYMORE.
It's over.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:55 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 04:53 PM (xZZ44)
Oooh! Ooooh! I know! I know......
yet?
Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 12:56 PM (X6akg)
Maybe if he pisses the military off enough they will tell him to take his ROI and stick them up his ass. And I am not talking about the 0-5 level and above.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:56 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 12:56 PM (06lNq)
House Speaker John Boehner dismissed the Tea Party as irrelevant in an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer yesterday, while at the same time sending out contradictory messages on taxes.
http://tinyurl.com/a5cjn35
Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 12:57 PM (wwsoB)
Guy in a sane nation I'd agree.
We could not beat giggles mcfuckstick with 23 million unemployed.
Fuck it it's over the media rule the nation now.
Let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:57 PM (LRFds)
Barky used 'Executive Privilege' to shut down the investigation into F and F.
Whatcha bet he does it again...to shut down the Benghazi investigation.
Especially if Petraeus get's subpoena'd by Issa in the House.
What's to stop him?
Nothing.
He can do whatever he wants to now.
Posted by: wheatie at November 09, 2012 12:57 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Openminded Harvard Undergrad at November 09, 2012 12:58 PM (LXKJo)
House Speaker John Boehner dismissed the Tea Party as irrelevant in
an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer yesterday, while at the same time
sending out contradictory messages on taxes.
http://tinyurl.com/a5cjn35
Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 04:57 PM (wwsoB)
From what I've read, I don't think some one on our 'side' has ever given a worse interview. Just horrible....friggin' idiot.
Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 12:58 PM (X6akg)
He misses two paychecks I'm telling the wife to desert.
No bullshit.
Let them find us b/c I will go illegal immigrant on their ass.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:58 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: KG at November 09, 2012 12:59 PM (p7BzH)
Settle down. Nobody has caved Bronco Bamma yet.
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 09, 2012 04:48 PM (x0g8a)
Wanna bet?
Posted by: Reggie Love at November 09, 2012 12:59 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 04:53 PM (xZZ44)
Schlage? Master? Kwikset?
Posted by: Mostly Labrador at November 09, 2012 12:59 PM (TVtzh)
Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 09, 2012 12:59 PM (LXKJo)
Posted by: phreshone at November 09, 2012 12:59 PM (MAhUT)
Posted by: sunshine & the beach at November 09, 2012 01:00 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Elizabethe at November 09, 2012 01:00 PM (ou/rY)
Let the system crash.
I think that's what happened election day when Romney introduced shitty software -- not just shitty but totally necessary software that was shitty -- that was supposed to get people off their post-dinner couches and get them to the polls. Instead the election got 404'd.
I'd love to know the name of the vendor who sold that shit, 'cause I'd be short-selling their ass to pay my new higher taxes.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 09, 2012 01:00 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Ombudsman at November 09, 2012 01:00 PM (HqXYa)
You got it the Constitution has been on life support since Nixon and Watergate.
There is a valid reason Boehner was trying to gain back power, and the American people said "what fucking rulebook?'
Ok....
You win American Idol nation and fuck you I'm done saving you from Chavez....you want it you got it.
let it burn
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:00 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Elizabethe at November 09, 2012 05:00 PM (ou/rY)
Don't sit by the phone waiting.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 01:00 PM (YdQQY)
What Republican in DC isn't weak sauce? I'm pretty sure if we took them all apart then tried to assemble Humpty Friggin' Dumpty we'd find maybe 2 vertabrea and 1/4 of a testicle. (And that's between the House and the Senate).
Anybody remember Joe Cartoon and the Microwave Hamster? NB, No Balls.
Posted by: AdamPM at November 09, 2012 01:01 PM (x61Z7)
Ryan plays hardball but with numbers and logic. He also has the leadership qualities necessary but dislikes playing the game. With regards to Cantor, he is highly ambitious and can be ruthless but more towards his own side, such as when he is fighting Boehner's worst instincts. Also, unlike Ryan, he is sometimes a poor communicator. You need someone who is intelligent, knows how and is willing to play the game, and communicates well.
Posted by: 80sBaby at November 09, 2012 01:01 PM (YjDyJ)
A lot of people have gone from g0 to where we are. Laying facts out like they are trying a case.
Lord, forgive me, but sometimes I go the other way, trying to reverse engineer the thing.
You can't get ther from here. Unless you went thru there.
THERE is something we're not talking about.
How can you get here from there??
I only see one way, and it does not make me happy.
Posted by: dDan at November 09, 2012 01:01 PM (q1RJB)
Posted by: Elizabethe at November 09, 2012 05:00 PM (ou/rY)
Don't sit by the phone waiting.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 05:00 PM (YdQQY)
I Lol'd!
Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 01:02 PM (X6akg)
Don't burn it down, shut it down.
Posted by: Vic
If the House "shuts down the government", the only think Obama will do is not send paychecks to the military or Social Security checks to senior citizens.
Posted by: cool breeze at November 09, 2012 01:02 PM (A+/8k)
Who CAN stop him the people who want to blame Boehner don't get it Harry Reid would not impeach Barack if he was caught a**fu**ing a child on TV on a hotmic moment at the State of the Union warm up.
The founders never comprehended Harry Reid.
We've lost Obama is King it's over.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:02 PM (LRFds)
Let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 04:57 PM (LRFds)
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Someone in an earlier thread suggested we hold an Occupy MFM demonstration. I'm in. I'd love to shit on Candy Crowley's desk.
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 01:02 PM (xZZ44)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 09, 2012 01:03 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 09, 2012 01:03 PM (++kZl)
Posted by: Beagle at November 09, 2012 01:05 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Jordan at November 09, 2012 01:05 PM (jRfn3)
Go back and read how Boehner dealt with the SCOAMF last year. Barry was doing the dealing ALL ON HIS OWN. And he thought he was smarter than everyone. After Boehner had agreed to a deal, Barry thought he could squeeze some more out of him and told him the deal was off. Then Boehner wouldn't even return TFG's calls.. basically telling Barry to go fuck himself.
Boehner knows what he's doing.. relax..
oh.. and a reminder... we fucking LOST.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 09, 2012 01:05 PM (f9c2L)
I laughed. First time in a while, though I 'slept like a baby' Election Night, which means I woke up every couple hours crying.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 09, 2012 01:06 PM (feFL6)
He slept like a baby because he knows he will fight what is left to be fought.
you want a speaker who tears off his shirt and swears to thwart the most powerful man on the planet as step one watch WWE....here on Earth Boehner is trying to save any semblance of the republic and I KNOW he'll fail.
let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:06 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mostly Labrador with some labrador in it at November 09, 2012 01:07 PM (TVtzh)
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2012 01:07 PM (FcR7P)
Hi Jordan. Is the Texas Legislature still in session?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 09, 2012 01:07 PM (SX6wc)
Posted by: Low Information Voter at November 09, 2012 01:07 PM (FaBZO)
Posted by: Jordan at November 09, 2012 01:08 PM (jRfn3)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 09, 2012 01:08 PM (++kZl)
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 09, 2012 01:08 PM (+I8Mq)
Posted by: KG at November 09, 2012 01:08 PM (p7BzH)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 09, 2012 01:08 PM (zpqa2)
Yeah maybe or maybe we need to make the Tea Party put up or shut up.
There's an asshole at tepid called Honda whatever....a proud tea partier that voted Obama to punish the GOP for Mitt.
Retards like that don't win you a seat at the table and I am a tea partier and went to three rallies.
I want to win not be "totally right and perfect in my rhetoric or else."
Free shit nation will kill us.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:09 PM (LRFds)
I think you have given us our first project mayhem assignment.
DEFEAT EVERY WEAK KNEED GOP CANDIDATE
We must destroy the party to save the party!
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 01:09 PM (06lNq)
Posted by: Elizabethe at November 09, 2012 01:09 PM (ou/rY)
Posted by: WeakStick Boehner at November 09, 2012 01:09 PM (FaBZO)
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 01:10 PM (xZZ44)
Eliminate the first/second/home-improvement distinction on home mortgage deduction and just cap the total loan balance on which mortgage interest can be deducted at ~$250K. Live somewhere cheap you can still deduct the motorhome...
Establish a much steeper AGI-based phaseout on deduction of state income taxes, or get rid of it entirely (that one would hurt me a lot, but...)
Give Obama the carried-interest-as-ordinary-income tax rate.
No tax on the first $100K of dividend/capital gain income, then escalate 5% per 100K until you get to 35%. That leaves the retirees and small investors where are now, or even better off.
Go after the entertainment industry. There's a few hundred individuals there who wouldn't mind giving up their tax shelters and paying 40% on their income, I'm sure. Might not be a lot in the aggregate but it sets the right tone...
Go after the tech-industry-favored offshore income havens.
And go after the Iowa subsidy kings who love them their ethanol mandates. Crush them flat dead, even before the actors.
Posted by: JEM at November 09, 2012 01:10 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 09, 2012 01:10 PM (nZvGM)
He hasn't lost shit and by the way the American people KNEW Ocare and Taxageddon were on the horizon and voted choom and the donks.
Gee it's almost like he is acknowledging this ain't 1980 America anymore and trying to find space to nail O's six or die trying.
We CANNOT WIN AGAINST O by simply playing Kos in reverse b/c of the media.
The GOP leadership thinks this can be saved.
I think they need to try and fail and I need popcorn and smore material b/c fuck them and the donks it is going down.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:11 PM (LRFds)
YMMV
Posted by: angienc at November 09, 2012 01:12 PM (w3JGl)
Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 09, 2012 01:12 PM (W5c4e)
Posted by: phreshone at November 09, 2012 01:12 PM (MAhUT)
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2012 01:14 PM (FcR7P)
Let the Gimmecrats have their tax hike. Then they can no longer have anything to blame republicans for. And when the new recession comes and falls into depression they won't be able to blame republicans. Get on record opposing it but let them have it.
It will increase unemployment and the deficit and the debt and the credit ratings will go down over and over... All as a result of Gimmecrat policies.
Let them see what their dreams are made of... Maltese Falcons.
Posted by: RecklessProcess at November 09, 2012 01:14 PM (f7ylG)
Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 09, 2012 01:14 PM (W5c4e)
You got it ....
look King math says the ONLY way Barry can give the middle class paradise is to tax the hell out of them....
Barry tried jedi mind tricking them today.
Fuck 'em you want barry you'll get all of his "big stick" fellas.
I'm lubing up now.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:14 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2012 01:14 PM (FcR7P)
No 'grand bargains'. No changes to the structure of the tax system beyond capping deductions for high-earners.
Above all no new forms of taxation. No VAT and no carbon/fuels taxes. This, like Obamacare, would set a precedent that'd be utterly impossible to get rid of.
Australia might get rid of their carbon tax but that's because the current PM lied through her teeth, and they seem to take lies seriously down there.
If you look at VATs around the world, they start off at some tiny number and two decades later they're 18-25%.
Posted by: JEM at November 09, 2012 01:16 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 01:16 PM (xZZ44)
I'll just re-post a comment from a dead thread that pertains to this one, too.
Fraud stole it and now, lies based on the fraud (like we "lost" because we're anti-amnesty) threaten to change the GOP forever. We the grassroots must tell people that we not only didn't "lose" over amnesty, we didn't "lose" period! Ulterman's Report, Pundit Press, "ObamaFraud", and Lame Cherry. Read them!
If the RINOs/party leaders get their way and change the GOP based on these lies, they will run a LEFTIST in '16 (if there is a '16); it will be JEB; he's thick as thieves with Rove and party leaders and guess what? He's pro-AMNESTY. These party leaders are prepping us for JEB with these lies.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 09, 2012 01:16 PM (KL49F)
1) Obama is headed out of country and stays in Hawaii as...
2) Congress will recess for Turkey Weekend, then a...
3) Emergency session called where there will be...
4) Pointless kabuki debate while LSM and Dems (but I repeat myself), call Republican ideas racist, evil, putting Hispanics in binders, and shoving Big Bird up Fluke's cooter.
5) Cliff Dive!
6)****
7) PROFIT! (optional)
Let. It. Burn.
Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at November 09, 2012 01:17 PM (qjrjH)
That's not what he said. He said, "This has been the most misreported story of my two years' tenure. We don't have a Tea Party caucus to speak of in the House... All of us who were elected in 2010 were supported by the Tea Party."
Clearly what he means is that there's no formal caucus--liked the Black Congressional Caucus or the Congressional Hispanic Caucus--officially embraced by the Republican party. He neither "mocked" the Tea Party, as Breitbart claims, nor did he dismiss it as irrelevant. He credited the Tea Party for it's support.
The Tea Party caucus is an informal organization. That's what he meant.
People are flying off the handle without reading for themselves what was actually said. We need clear thinking now, not emotion.
Posted by: Llarry at November 09, 2012 01:17 PM (JgHoa)
Posted by: Whatev at November 09, 2012 01:18 PM (2t6Gz)
Give Obama everything on income taxes. Play with the rates and deductions but no changes to the structure.
Hold the line on regulation and new forms of taxation.
The critical issue is to contain the government within its current bounds. The rates can be fiddled later. Let Obama have a carbon tax and it's law forever.
Posted by: JEM at November 09, 2012 01:19 PM (o+SC1)
The "irrelevant" comment is a fabrication. He never said it.
Posted by: Llarry at November 09, 2012 01:19 PM (JgHoa)
No one will think to himself two years from now: "Hey, I remember back to 2012. Boehner sure wasn't very nice."
Posted by: rdbrewer at November 09, 2012 01:21 PM (Iyg03)
Posted by: Sonny at November 09, 2012 01:21 PM (MAhUT)
You're right in a nation that held the Constitution and Law over man but that ship has sailed.
Obama will try to get the carbon tax passed as a regulatory move and use utilities to collect to try to end-around it.
And I have no doubt asshole Roberts will shrug.
Let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:22 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 09, 2012 01:23 PM (O2Jzh)
"Wanna bet?"
//Candy Crowley Piss Matthews and a BUNCH of people needing their knees broken
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:23 PM (LRFds)
The only concession we might gain is for Obama to publicly state that if we give in, he owns the economy from then on.
Elections matter. Thanks, all you libertines and fringe nuts. ES&D
Posted by: Adjoran at November 09, 2012 01:23 PM (ZHQvg)
Been reading Pundit Press today and they have a few articles about 108% turnout in OH counties and how O won some OH counties with 100% of the vote; also in some counties, O won, Johnson came in second (LOL) and Romney third. FRAUD.
"What Luck! Obama won dozens of Cleveland disricts with 100% of the vote"
"Good news: Obama won county in OH with 108% of the vote"
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 09, 2012 01:23 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 01:24 PM (X3lox)
That's right all the assholes who sat out saying Obama and rpomney are just the same.
Here we go up the roller coaster watch this ride.
let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:24 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 05:22 PM (LRFds)
Help it burn. Let's send gasoline and matches to the Obama supporters.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 09, 2012 01:26 PM (R9579)
Thanks I know.
It's why I am burning my Ohio Driver's license and my wife is changing her home of record.
Ohio let Obama cheat as bad as Philly and no one cares.
Fuck you Ohio I will never spend another unnecessary dime in your borders.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:26 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 09, 2012 05:23 PM (O2Jzh)
Tray Gowdy (sp?)....
Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 01:26 PM (X6akg)
We're playing right into the dems hands by capitulating, instead of acting like a cornered and desperate wild animal and striking at anything that comes close.
Posted by: Iblis at November 09, 2012 01:27 PM (g+kk2)
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 05:23 PM (LRFds)
I like how you think. I have said many times that should I ever get the chance, I will see if I can knock some teeth down Chris Mathews throat.
I've just figured out this "freedom of speech" thing doesn't work when the media covers your mouth.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 09, 2012 01:27 PM (R9579)
"What Luck! Obama won dozens of Cleveland disricts with 100% of the vote"
http://tinyurl.com/bdszy42
"Good news: Obama won county in OH with 108% of the vote"
http://tinyurl.com/akca3qs
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 09, 2012 05:23 PM (KL49F)
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Once again, the RNC was not prepared to deal with dems. This is what dems do. It's all they can do. Yes, I fault the repubs for not having resources in place to catch this.
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 01:29 PM (xZZ44)
On Election Day, Twitchy posted a story in which someone stated provisional ballots were being handed-out like candy in Cleveland.
Posted by: 80sBaby at November 09, 2012 01:32 PM (YjDyJ)
We're playing right into the dems hands by capitulating, instead of acting like a cornered and desperate wild animal and striking at anything that comes close.
Posted by: Iblis at November 09, 2012 05:27 PM (g+kk2)"
We're not only playing into dems' hands, we're being played by party bosses who are prepping us for RINO Jeb in '16. Mitt got shafted to make room for Jeb. Some cons complained Mitt wasn't conservative enough, wait til they see pro-amnesty Jeb.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 09, 2012 01:32 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: 80sBaby at November 09, 2012 01:33 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: blindside at November 09, 2012 01:35 PM (x7g7t)
We need someone who is MEAN. Someone who can match Pelosi and Reid hyperbole for hyperbole.. but rack it up a notch.
I'm so sick of Pelosi getting away with her insulting crap about "republicans want dirty water, and rotting food!" That should be challenged every time its said.. make her look like a FOOL. I can only hope the good lord is going to take her back soon, for all our sakes.
Also, we gotta.. GOTTA give up on the abortion issue. It killed us this time.. We had idiots talking about rape and suddenly pro-life became pro-rape. We've gotta make abortion a 'personal' issue, and drop it from the party. Don't have a clue why its there anyway.
This election.. the most important of all time, was decided on abortion and birth control. Things that were not important in any way to us this election cycle. The birth control thing was the most cynical political move i've ever seen.. and IT WORKED. You know why? Obamas main constituency are people who call 911 when mcdonalds is out of chicken nuggets. I'm also tired of seeing ads for city council members talking about their stance on abortion. For christs sake man, they couldn't change the law no matter what the fuck
Oh and you Obama zombies at the supermarket asking for donations? Go ask Obamaclause. I'll NEVER give a dime to a stranger again. I'll give right to the source, but after being bashed over the head with 'war on women' crap for last 2 years, i've had it.
Posted by: The Teller of Hard Facts at November 09, 2012 01:35 PM (5CDB2)
"Polling woes in Cleveland; Provisional ballots ‘being handed out like candy’"
http://bit.ly/SyjiH1
Posted by: 80sBaby at November 09, 2012 01:36 PM (YjDyJ)
Combat arms guys are not who you think tyhey are.
Look it is like when I laughed at the Army War College using the Tea party as Opfor.
"okay" I'll have 20% of your kids in a week Colonel.
See you in the funny papers.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:37 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 09, 2012 01:37 PM (KL49F)
He's done okay under bad circumstances.
I'm sure speaker to be named later will flip the media to our side and save 2014...
no no really....
Let it burn
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:38 PM (LRFds)
Let the sequestration happen.
Let ALL of the Bush tax cuts expire. The people voted for that, so let them have it.
I look forward to several million Obama voters getting the chance to join us in paying for the government they voted for.
Posted by: Chris at November 09, 2012 01:39 PM (/l7+K)
Posted by: small town girl at November 09, 2012 01:39 PM (Ech5T)
Posted by: blindside at November 09, 2012 01:40 PM (x7g7t)
This guy has contacts with the AWC at Leavenworth....
Yeah thank God we reelected King Putt.
Folks you WANT it to burn whether you know it or not.
If this is what the Federal Government thinks is smart then I want a dumb national leadership, too bad the general staff is not as bothered by the NBPP trying to get their bull connor on.
Fuck it I quit let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:44 PM (LRFds)
Amen, but trust me on this King putt's RoE for "right wing Nazi secessionists" are gonna be a little bit more open minded than his kisses for the Jihadi Jim Opfor.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:45 PM (LRFds)
Sooo... lets see....
Panetta is going... Patreus is gone... General in charge of Africa is gone... Admiral in charge of Carrier closest to action Gone....
Geeee.... what a coincidence.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2012 01:47 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: blindside at November 09, 2012 05:40 PM (x7g7t)
Some instructor used the Tea Party as a theoretical adversary that they (The Military students he was instructing) would destroy.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 09, 2012 01:50 PM (R9579)
and I openly laughed in a real life colonel's face about it, told him the whole thing's retarded I'm not a klansman and i wouldn't hurt anybody I'd leave a note reminding your kids they swore an oath to the Constitution not Obama.
Not so smug about that anymore but smug enough.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:55 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Ronster at November 09, 2012 01:56 PM (nQMHQ)
We're playing right into the dems hands by capitulating, instead of acting like a cornered and desperate wild animal and striking at anything that comes close.
Don't bother. You're talking to a brick wall.
Posted by: Llarry at November 09, 2012 01:57 PM (JgHoa)
Help me understand talk me in off the acreage I aim to buy.
We have Obama cornered and can go past the press blow job of him by.....??
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:58 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: ConservativeTeacher at November 09, 2012 01:59 PM (PDwWG)
Posted by: theworldisnotenough at November 09, 2012 02:01 PM (JpqtI)
Why it's almost as though "FauxNews" is in on the gag doesn't it.
You have to understand how much this kills me to say.
Glenn Beck was right.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 02:02 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: ConservativeTeacher at November 09, 2012 02:03 PM (PDwWG)
Everything but the guns but the treaties are why harry is trying to undo the filibuster.
They get our guns we'll get cattlecars eventually.
Not hyperbole collectivism throws HOORIBLE temper tantrums when the unicorn can't really shit skittles.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 02:04 PM (LRFds)
a) Boehner's human and leader he can't openly say "yup he's really in charge"
b) Ryan needs protected, and the press does NOT need us saying right now he is anyone's "great white hope"
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 02:05 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: small town girl at November 09, 2012 05:39 PM (Ech5T)
Yes, the GOP is willing to change everything they stand for based on lies. Makes me think certain members of the GOP were in on this fraud in order to change the party from within. Remember how quickly the party "leaders" cited our stand on amnesty as the reason we "lost"? Prepping for Jeb in '16. Irony is, there won't be a '16.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 09, 2012 02:06 PM (KL49F)
Our tactics is dealing with the media are wrong. Look at how Mitt cowered in front of Crowley instead of taking the fight to her.
That's what we need to do to break through the media embargoes.
Posted by: Iblis at November 09, 2012 02:12 PM (g+kk2)
I still wish the low turnout didn't happen, but tell me again why it's a mystery?
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 09, 2012 02:22 PM (FiwwD)
TheWON: I'm want taxes raised on "income" above $250k, before Jan. 1, 2013.
Tannedbummer: NO.
TheWON: I'll cut one of my 36 limos, move 3 czars to off budget at the CIA, cut the baseline budge from 8% automatic increase to 7.99%.
Tannedbummer: Well, now we getting somewhere. Ok, deal.
Posted by: Tortuga at November 09, 2012 02:24 PM (FmyWU)
The Republican House was the only thing not washed away in the election, let's at least give a tip of our hat to Boehner for that.
Posted by: McAdams at November 09, 2012 02:37 PM (CA2pt)
Posted by: small town girl at November 09, 2012 02:55 PM (EoOgl)
I actually think he's been pretty shrewd, the last thing you would want right now is a combative House Speaker eager to thump his chest and mug for the cameras like Newt Gingrich. Obama and Democrats would LOVE to use that as a foil when the shit hits the fan and they don't get their way.
I'm all for putting pressure on him, but I don't get the impression that Boehner is just going to hand Obama amnesty and big tax increases. If he does go down that road, than we need to just burn everything, including the Republican House.
Posted by: McAdams at November 09, 2012 03:10 PM (CA2pt)
Boehner should give Obama what he wants, but put a $500K floor on the tax hikes to do what he can to provide a buffer for small businesses that are about to be hit by Obamacare. Then give Nancy Pelosi and Hollywood and all the prancing elites the finger by suggesting a wealth tax to make up the difference (speaking of Warren Buffet, he's been pretty quiet lately).
I would love to watch the MSM heads spin at such a suggestion from a Republican.
Not that I think Boehner is the one to pull off slick negotiations, but he's in charge until January 2013 (at which time he MUST be replaced - we need a foxy negotiator in charge of the House).
STOP FIGHTING THE INEVITABLE, and let Obama fulfill his taxy spendy dreams. You know what will happen. Why not lie back and enjoy it?
Meanwhile the Republican house can watch the jewels (2nd Amendment etc) as best they can. But let the Dems cannibalize the rich. They can't take competencies away - people will build again (after the libs are on the run from their howling constituencies).
It's a radical chemotherapy-type treatment that may make our hair fall out, but we may survive in the long run because of it.
Posted by: disa at November 09, 2012 04:15 PM (Zfbfs)
Posted by: occam at November 09, 2012 05:11 PM (YCyQa)
Posted by: ignatzk at November 09, 2012 06:29 PM (UU+lp)
You could not be more wrong. Obama is a true believer and he has a mandate from his Marxist god. He will not negotiate anything, he will dictate like he has been doing the last four years. I am still depressed and so I am liking the idea of let them have everything they want like Rush said screw it on 06NOV12 we as a country jumped off the cliff, might as well push as many libs and there voters in front of us as we can when we hit bottom the body's might provide enough cushion that we maybe survive. Give me a couple weeks and I may change my mind but probably not. As H. L said "in a democracy the people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard".
By the way this election was about geography and the Conservative base not showing up, after the maverick was pushed off on us in 08 enough were pissed that they were not willing to hold their nose and vote for another RINO the result 7 to 8 million DID NOT SHOW UP.
Posted by: Oldcrow at November 09, 2012 07:37 PM (4btls)
Posted by: bradc at November 09, 2012 07:42 PM (7LOon)
This should be the position of any citizen with at least two synapse that are still firing who have to pay all the taxes.
Time to take a hard line on this.
Posted by: Eric at November 09, 2012 08:25 PM (rMyGM)
Posted by: west1890 at November 09, 2012 09:16 PM (wbw7m)
First, the comparision of statements by Reid and Boehner misses a crucial point - one was pre and another was post data; Reid was an ante to the pot; Boehner was a call after the 2nd card
Secondly, you may or may not like this, but afaik, from polling data, most americans - a large majority actually - want to raises taxes on the rich, and are very opposed to soc sec cuts.
afaik, the gop held the house this cycle mainly thru gerrymandering and incumbency.
as a lib democrat, i would love - LOVE - you guys to take hard line no rev inc approach; I think that this would spell dem super majorities in 2014
we shall see
PS: i was over at read state, reading the its all the fault of the consultants piece. and in the comments, there were a lot of nascent conspiracy theories.
what is amusing to me is that this is a complete total copy of the dems afte a loss; you get all these dem conspiracy theories, they stole ohio, etc etc etc
people are the same.
the most amazing lib dem conspiracy theory of recent times was the idea tht R Reagans guy W Casey flew to paris in sept to meet with iranians, and struck a deal to - iranians would keep hostages till after the election.
Posted by: ezra abrams at November 10, 2012 06:15 AM (6mF92)
Posted by: Yenober at November 10, 2012 07:32 AM (6bVkc)
Posted by: sablegsd at November 10, 2012 07:41 AM (AKS75)
Posted by: sablegsd at November 10, 2012 07:42 AM (AKS75)
Revenues and rates are not the same thing. Boehner is saying we're open to new revenues via tax reform. Yes - we are. Close lobbyist inspired loopholes and you get some more revenues. Cut regulations to encourage hiring and grow the tax base and, bam, new revenues.
That's what Boehner's talking about.
Oh, and maybe he's also talking about getting rid of the Hollywood tax cuts that Instapundit always talks about.
So, there ya go. New revenues don't have to equal increased rates.
This, by the way, is not a new position for the House GOP. This has been the House GOP position ever since we took back the majority. That goes for leadership, RSC, freshmen, etc.
Posted by: DC Zombie at November 10, 2012 05:51 PM (EZ3C3)
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