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November 12, 2012

John E. On The Laura Ingraham Show
— andy

Blogger @johnekdahl: On social media, "Republicans are still rubbing sticks together".
— Laura Ingraham (@IngrahamAngle) November 12, 2012

It's already aired on the east coast because RINO!

But John found this west coast stream and said his segment should air around 1:30pm Eastern. And speaking of rubbing sticks together ...

Posted by: andy at 08:25 AM | Comments (117)
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1 Where is ace?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 12, 2012 08:27 AM (R8hU8)

2 wow

Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 08:28 AM (b1TCv)

3 Sweet, maybe even more people will read the original post and then the comments where all the gloating dems lecture us about falling victim to echo chambers and grievance politics, with apparently no irony intended.

Posted by: Gabriel Syme at November 12, 2012 08:28 AM (g84Si)

4 Rubbing sticks together.

Good one, JohnE!

Posted by: EC at November 12, 2012 08:29 AM (GQ8sn)

5 I heard John on the way in to work. It was a good interview.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 12, 2012 08:30 AM (pLTLS)

6 Andy, you made me open the player to Laura Ingraham's show just in time to hear her say, "John Huntsman coming up...."

I hate you.

Posted by: Tami at November 12, 2012 08:30 AM (X6akg)

7 OT

Libs are mad at Papa John's for announcing price increases to offset the looming cost increases from Obamacare. They really, honestly do not get it.

Posted by: shillelagh at November 12, 2012 08:30 AM (hRzu2)

8 You know when twitter and FaceBook eventually implode we will be ahead of the curve. -Well, maybe.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at November 12, 2012 08:30 AM (KCvsd)

9 but the metaphor is odd shouldn't it be "still using smoke signals"? rubbing sticks together = igniting a spark for fire

Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 08:31 AM (b1TCv)

10 MORON HORDE! I'm sorry to thread jack, but there is a petition for Texas's secession on the White House Website that is just 5K short of getting the SCOAMF's attention. Let's send a message! http://wh.gov/98n0 Please, please, please take a moment to sign it. Secession isn't going to happen (and won't be necessary, as I think the Fed Gov't will collapse under the weight of Obama's debt). But please, LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!

Posted by: Naqamel at November 12, 2012 08:31 AM (UMwMT)

11 >> Andy, you made me open the player to Laura Ingraham's show just in time to hear her say, "John Huntsman coming up...."

Gah!

Sorry about that one.

Posted by: Andy at November 12, 2012 08:32 AM (5Rurq)

12 Also:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/12/GOP-Time-to-Get-With-It

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 12, 2012 08:32 AM (HXWlL)

13 But we need to raise taxes.

Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 08:32 AM (YdQQY)

14 I dunno, can't listen to it now, but 4 years ago we heard we needed to use moar Twitter and Facebook!11! And so the GOP and candidates were all over it...but it's just bland meh stuff, who cares? How's this supposed to play with a more, uh *mature* electorate?

Posted by: jeanne, in full escapist mode at November 12, 2012 08:32 AM (GdalM)

15 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 08:32 AM (8y9MW)

16 I don't know about others, but I'm getting tired of defending or advocating a party that won't do either for itself

If they want to be Democrats with a lighter touch, let them join the Dem party and run in their primaries

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

If the GOP just exists to be the punching bags for all the big government failures, then why bother?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 08:32 AM (wwsoB)

17 Why did the Democrats' amazingly amazing social media skills result in them getting 7.5 million fewer votes this time around?

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 08:33 AM (XMaKL)

I "get" social media, and I think most conservatives do too. I don't know if it's so much an issue that Republicans don't understand social media, but we treat it as an intrusion, not a utility.

Posted by: Dax at November 12, 2012 08:33 AM (gUYGX)

19 Please, please, please take a moment to sign it. Secession isn't going to happen (and won't be necessary, as I think the Fed Gov't will collapse under the weight of Obama's debt). But please, LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!

If only some commentor had a blog where he had a link and discussion of this!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 08:34 AM (8y9MW)

20 Rubbing sticks together?

Rubbing sticks, yes. But I didn't think Ace swung that way.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 12, 2012 08:34 AM (Qxdfp)

21 Maybe if the GOP wants to lie back and think of England, then let it burn and enjoy watching the Free Shit Army fight amongst themselves because one group in the FSA is getting more than they are and it's just not faaaaiiirrrr

Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 08:34 AM (wwsoB)

22 FOX News today confirmed that the US was holding prisoners at the Benghazi annex near the consulate compound. US agents handed three prisoners over to Libyan authorities on their way out of the city on September 12. The prisoners may have been held in the compound for several days.

Posted by: ATEXAN at November 12, 2012 08:34 AM (TeGyF)

23 shouldn't it be "still using smoke signals"?
rubbing sticks together = igniting a spark for fire
Posted by: soothsayer

I think he's saying not only are the GOP's social media results lackluster, their methods are primitive as well.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 12, 2012 08:34 AM (SX6wc)

24 If only some commentor had a blog where he had a link and discussion of this!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 12:34 PM (8y9MW)

That would be pretty cool.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 08:35 AM (da5Wo)

25 but the metaphor is odd

shouldn't it be "still using smoke signals"?

rubbing sticks together = igniting a spark for fire

Code for "let it burn"

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 12, 2012 08:35 AM (I7O5y)

26 "Where is ace?"
==========

I get the sense that he's probably deeply depressed and under the covers. I don't blame him.

Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 08:35 AM (znT2j)

27 joncelli tweet, but no birdies come.

Posted by: joncelli at November 12, 2012 08:36 AM (RD7QR)

28 Laura's tweet sort of takes me a bit out of context. I was talking about *Republican campaigns*, not Republicans in general. And "rubbing sticks" is an analogy of being far behind in technology. Sorry if you didn't get it or if I was unclear. Anyway, it was my first radio interview and I was a little nervous.

Posted by: JohnE. at November 12, 2012 08:36 AM (nRTou)

29 When it comes to social media, the GOP is still using crossbows and speaking French, while the Dems have longbows.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 12, 2012 08:36 AM (QKKT0)

"....there is a petition for Texas's secession..."

And some people wonder why we're called extremist idiots.

How fucking stupid can you get?

Posted by: jwest at November 12, 2012 08:36 AM (ZDsRL)

31 "The prisoners may have been held in the compound for several days." Really? I heard they were attackers. Interesting.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 12, 2012 08:36 AM (tuE4N)

32 I'm noticing that rubbing things seems to be a theme here today. I mean even more so than usual.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 08:37 AM (VtjlW)

33 Why did the Democrats' amazingly amazing social media skills result in them getting 7.5 million fewer votes this time around?

All things considered, what's amazing is that they didn't get 17.5 million fewer votes.

On a positive note, we'll never have to debate the merits of a Mitt Romney candidacy again.

I'd like to think we'll never hear idiocy like "A ham sandwich would beat incumbent X, so let's nominate the flake!" again, but that would be too optimistic.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 08:37 AM (SY2Kh)

34 >> How fucking stupid can you get?

Pretty stupid

Posted by: winston smith at November 12, 2012 08:38 AM (cgOkw)

35 yeah I get it

Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 08:38 AM (b1TCv)

36 "And some people wonder why we're called extremist idiots. How fucking stupid can you get?" Take your pick! On the Blaze I was embarrassed as hell. "Obama won inner city precincts at 100% of the vote...that mathematically means fraud." Really? Really?

Posted by: Sexypig at November 12, 2012 08:38 AM (tuE4N)

37 32 I'm noticing that rubbing things seems to be a theme here today. I mean even more so than usual.

FAPPING TAX!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 12, 2012 08:38 AM (Qxdfp)

38 For the first time in a long time I have hope. Conservatives are waking up to the reality that the Left is our enemy. Nothing else. Enemies must be destroyed along with their power base, and their children converted. We must use the tools of democracy and our social institutions to punish and destroy all segments of society that are against us. That includes the IRS. The left doesn't understand reason, reasoning with them is pointless. Instead, vilify their power base and destroy it one brick at a time. It is no accident that the left has raped small business, etc, for decades. They need to destroy small business because small business is conservative. The IRS is a weapon for destroying our enemies and rewarding our allies. Period. Huge taxes on Hollywood. Now!!! Retroactive for 50 years. Ruin them totally. Do not explain why. Hollywood is evil, robs the poor, doesn't pay it's fair share, is racist, greedy, mean, and kills babies. They are racist baby killers targeting blacks and women with abortion-murder. Make them pay their fair share of 90% retroactive NOW!!

Posted by: Hopeless at November 12, 2012 08:39 AM (H1od7)

39 Internecine battles aren't too far away in the Free Shit Army as we've seen with pension liabilities in the states

The public employee unions demand their pensions, but there isn't enough money and the leeches have already killed off the hosts. Public pensions or bike paths? Bike paths or Obamaphones? The lists go on and on

There wasn't Obamamania in this election like 2008. His support is a mile wide and an inch deep

Of course it helps TFG that the GOP river is dry

Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 08:39 AM (wwsoB)

40 @16

That's why I sometimes think it's all a joke that we have not been let in on.

We as Republicans have always wondered how we keep getting rolled time and again, how it seems that no matter how much the Donks screw everything up that not only does the GOP act as the fall guy they seem to seek this blame out.

Witness the financial meltdown, witness sequestration, etc.

Who do you think will get the blame for the impacts sequestration will have?

Do you think anyone in the GOP will disabuse the general public of this?

The GOP establishment is simply a witting patsy for the progressive agenda.

There can be no other explanation.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 08:39 AM (06lNq)

41 >> All things considered, what's amazing is that they didn't get 17.5 million fewer votes.

Yeah, the counterfactual argument is pretty amazing to wrap your head around. People just elected Jimmmy Carter to a second term. WTF?

Posted by: Andy at November 12, 2012 08:39 AM (5Rurq)

"I'd like to think we'll never hear idiocy like "A ham sandwich would beat incumbent X, so let's nominate the flake!" again, but that would be too optimistic."

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 12:37 PM (SY2Kh)

Looks like from now on, we'll have to depend on proven vote-getters.

Posted by: jwest at November 12, 2012 08:40 AM (ZDsRL)

43 @ hollowpoint Newt? Damaged. Cain? Damaged. Santorum would have been Akin II Am I missing anyone? Huntsman? Johnson Paul

Posted by: Sexypig at November 12, 2012 08:40 AM (tuE4N)

44 When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another

Does tyrannical, economically illiterate and batshit crazy count as "becomes necessary"?

http://tinyurl.com/9e6dc2h

and fuck you , jwest.

Posted by: T.Hunter at November 12, 2012 08:40 AM (EZl54)

45 @7

Libs mad a Papa John's for price increases...

yeah, that's nothing. you could run down the social media threats for companies that dared let everyone know that after the election all hopes that obamacare could be rolled back were nuked so they were obliged to lay off staff. you could just scroll through the list of threats of wrongful termination lawsuits. it's hilarious that they think that you can litigate your way to profit trump all laws of microeconomics. a whole lot of businesses simply can't make a profit if they have to pay for obamacare mandates. just a bit of a note to liberals. if you can't make a profit in business, there is no point to continue. just where do the jobs come from?

Posted by: matt foley at November 12, 2012 08:41 AM (ES9kw)

I didn't hear the interveiw but social media hurt us. You can see that by the amount of young people that turned out. They live on facebook and all you need to do with those mushheads is have a dem operative convince them that everyone else is doing it and they will follow like lemmings

It's funny how they voted to increase their own debt though, maybe somebody from our side could have pointed out to them that the rich old white republicans will be dead and gone while they are trying to pay off the $20 Trillion left to them.

Posted by: robtr at November 12, 2012 08:41 AM (rTgOf)

47 I don't know if it's so much an issue that Republicans don't understand social media, but we treat it as an intrusion, not a utility.Posted by: Dax

I think the ORCA app and social media are not necessarily the same thing.

Social media will not overcome a deficit in the minds of the average voter that the GOP is old, racististy, and dummy-dummy. The problem isn't going to be overcome by being slightly more Twitter friendly or generating billions Facebook posts.

We don't have a gadget problem, we have a education problem.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 12, 2012 08:41 AM (SX6wc)

48 Social media are little more than just another place to run advertising. The level of contact there is about as deep as a conversation with a stranger in a checkout line. It may be a good place to get news out fast but it goes to a close loop of users whose response may be skewed so badly that response isn't a trustworthy measure of effect to the population at large.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 12, 2012 08:41 AM (6H6FZ)

49 People wonder if there was fraud or not..... Of course there was fraud! We just were not able to win it outside the margin of fraud. Am I more concerned about the fraud or that Teh JEF could make an election this close. I think I would have to go with the latter.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 12, 2012 08:42 AM (jucos)

50 As of the final count

Romney got 1,158,892 fewer than McCain

JEF got 7,373,765 fewer than 2008.

Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 08:42 AM (YdQQY)

43,

Perry may have a shot next time

Jindal if he can pull off a few national speeches

Condi Rice?

Posted by: Dax at November 12, 2012 08:42 AM (gUYGX)

52 Still not seeing the elephant in the room. The People, i.e., the majority of people who care enough to vote, are okay with the New Normal. The people arent bothered by high unemployment, high gas prices, a destroysd health care sector, and paying for EBT cards and Solyndra.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 08:42 AM (b1TCv)

53 "proven vote-getters."

Yeah! Like the last two times!

Republicans are FUCKING VOTE MAGNETS for the Free Shit Army.

jwest's self beclowning continues...

Posted by: T.Hunter at November 12, 2012 08:42 AM (EZl54)

54 How fucking stupid can you get?
Posted by: jwest

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

Posted by: Your betters in the GOP [/i] [/b] at November 12, 2012 08:43 AM (SX6wc)

55 The public employee unions demand their pensions, but there isn't enough money and the leeches have already killed off the hosts. Public pensions or bike paths? Bike paths or Obamaphones? The lists go on and on

There wasn't Obamamania in this election like 2008. His support is a mile wide and an inch deep

Of course it helps TFG that the GOP river is dry

Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 12:39 PM (wwsoB)

In Chicago the "youths" attack people on bike paths and steal their iPhones.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 08:43 AM (1Jaio)

56 Do not explain why. Hollywood is evil, robs the poor, doesn't pay it's fair share, is racist, greedy, mean, and kills babies. They are racist baby killers targeting blacks and women with abortion-murder. Make them pay their fair share of 90% retroactive NOW!! Posted by: Hopeless at November 12, 2012 12:39 PM

That won't be easy. The same marchers in the Free Shit Army who are aghast that businessmen live well are not upset in the least that their favorite celebrity lives like royalty. One reason is the fantasy that their favorite celebrity loves them back. You'll get constant replies of "Katy Perry is so talented and works so hard, and she cares about people. What business is it of yours how much she makes"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 08:43 AM (wwsoB)

57 If you buy SPAM today it's good till Oct. 2015...........and beyond. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Pyro Pete at November 12, 2012 08:43 AM (AzwZn)

58 "Do you think anyone in the GOP will disabuse the general public of this?" I think you imagine they can get the media to write about their positions. It does not work that way. The MSM will blame them.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 12, 2012 08:44 AM (tuE4N)

59 @43

There are no more Reagans.

Go watch the Time for Choosing speech.

There is no one in the current conservative/GOP intelligentsia or political class that could:

1) Write a speech of that magnitude
2) Deliver it with that passion and conviction.

The only person who could even remotely come close is Patrick Buchanan but his time has passed.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 08:44 AM (06lNq)

60 "43 @ hollowpoint Newt? Damaged. Cain? Damaged. Santorum would have been Akin II Am I missing anyone? Huntsman? Johnson Paul" None of those guys would have done ORCA, I know that for sure.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 12, 2012 08:46 AM (hjRtO)

61 When Christie soon switches to the DNC for his re-election, is it true that he can actually name Sandy as his running mate?

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 12, 2012 08:46 AM (hNXHo)

62 I could see Rubio writing/giving that speech, General.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at November 12, 2012 08:46 AM (i2Lsf)

63 Does this social medium make my ass look fat?

Posted by: Fritz at November 12, 2012 08:46 AM (/ZZCn)

I'm noticing that rubbing things seems to be a theme here today. I mean even more so than usual.

And that's why the GOP lost! The Grand Ole Party of Porn and Fapping!

Posted by: autumn! at November 12, 2012 08:46 AM (NF2Bf)

65 Just sit back, crack something cold, and wait for the inevitable time when the Dems in charge have to choose between screwing the illegals or the unions because there isn't enough money to bribe both. It will be hilarious--and fiery!

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 12, 2012 08:47 AM (6H6FZ)

66 To to tune of Crosby, Stills & Nash "Just a Song Before I Go". Just a song before we go toward Greece we thought they'd learn. The Obots won, our country's done, And we say Let It Burn. Heading through Election Day, We thought we had this won. Now were at the Fiscal Cliff, Time for another gun. The Lefties wanted Healthcare, The Chinese gave a loan. Free tampons and free birth control, And an Obamaphone. The takers want more free stuff, It makes us want to puke. The makers are now firing, You get that Sandra Fluke. (guitar solo) Just a song before we go toward Greece we thought they'd learn. The Obots won, our country's done, And we say Let It Burn.

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 08:47 AM (sRIFP)

67 just a bit of a note to liberals. if you can't make a profit in business, there is no point to continue. just where do the jobs come from? This is the fundamental difference between the Left and the Right. The Left believes businesses exist to employ people no matter what. The Right believes businesses exist to make a profit. This is an unbridgeable gap.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 08:47 AM (VtjlW)

68 56, I heard that Katy perry wants to take away your EBT. If you don't tax her NOW there will be no money left for EBT because Hollywood doesn't pay it's fair share. See how easy it is? Now shut up and start driving wedges. The institutions of democracy and society are merely a means to the end of destroying enemies and rewarding allies. Nothing more.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 12, 2012 08:47 AM (5g2Fy)

69 with regard to social media and the campaign management in general. was listening to a radio show last night that mentioned (don't know the source) that the payroll for the obama campaign and the romney campaign's were identical. obama had twice as many employees though.

where the hell was romney's vaunted business acumen. republicans have been hiring idiot campaign failures for awhile now.

with respect to social media specifically, it's easy to win the social media battle if you have an army of unemployed sympathizers who are getting paid by the government you currently lead.

Posted by: matt foley at November 12, 2012 08:47 AM (ES9kw)

70 By 2016 Nikki Haley will be half way through her second term. We can draft her.

Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 08:47 AM (YdQQY)

71 Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 12:47 PM (sRIFP) Outstanding. Maybe a little of your creativity could have helped win the election.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 08:48 AM (3Y7RV)

72 Just sit back, crack something cold, and wait for the inevitable time when the Dems in charge have to choose between screwing the illegals or the unions because there isn't enough money to bribe both. It will be hilarious--and fiery! THANK YOU and it will happen. because in the end, they're losers. and they can't really win, for losing. take care of your peeps, keep your powder dry, hunker down and WAIT. It's gonna be a hell of a show. See, I'm Gen X. We've been on the chicken side of the Boomer-Millennial A**-Fucking our whole damn lives. Been waiting for the oldsters to eat their young - and for the young to FIGHT BACK. should be shiny!

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 12, 2012 08:49 AM (J6kXj)

73 I tried in many creative ways. Did you?

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 08:49 AM (sRIFP)

and fuck you , jwest.

Posted by: T.Hunter at November 12, 2012 12:40 PM (EZl54)

If Texas (or any other state) seceded from the Union, I, along with a majority of conservatives, would be among those who would team with Obama to militarily punish the secessionists in an extreme manner.

And yes, hanging and firing squads would be involved.

Posted by: jwest at November 12, 2012 08:49 AM (ZDsRL)

75 There's a difference between us. You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom. And I go to make sure that they have it.

Posted by: William Wallace at November 12, 2012 08:50 AM (YdQQY)

76 I heard that Katy perry wants to take away your EBT. If you don't tax her NOW there will be no money left for EBT because Hollywood doesn't pay it's fair share.

See how easy it is? Now shut up and start driving wedges.

The institutions of democracy and society are merely a means to the end of destroying enemies and rewarding allies. Nothing more.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 12, 2012 12:47 PM (5g2Fy)

I'd like to drive my wedge into Katy Perry.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 08:51 AM (1Jaio)

77 Maybe we should treat this as an actual war. The Free Shit Army (FSA) crushed us on the banks of the Rhine, decimating our forces and throwing our leadership into chaos. Our equipment is sub par to non existent. We literally are army two soldiers with on rifle and telling them to pick it up if the other one dies. What should we do in this instance with the enemy advancing? To Tactically retreat to our ground was already decided for us. Burning our own land to deny them sustenance, destroying weapons caches that we can't transport, while leaving behind truck tons of vodka is our only options now. Make them advance to our Capitol crossing burned ground, hungry and drunk. They "won" miles and miles of burnt ground. When they get to our Capitol, they will control MSR's, the air, and have equipment supperiority. But what will have is a demoralized enemy, fighing it's own leadership drunk, with less willpower because to them this is just some place. In other words give them what they want, make the choke on it, fight among themselves, until the bigger battles we can't yeild on. Let their base destroy the economy with higher taxes, let them celebrate their "victories" on piles of ash. The reckoning will come.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 12, 2012 08:51 AM (X/nTQ)

78 73 I tried in many creative ways. Did you? Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 12:49 PM (sRIFP) Absolutely, precinct chair. We won all of our elections locally. I wasn't whacking you. I really thought that was good. It's hard to tell around here though. A person can get a little jaded.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 08:52 AM (3Y7RV)

79 74, You are why we lose elections. Your enemy is always wrong. Period. Subject the enemy exclusively to ridicule, and always support allies. Stop being a fool. Never agree or support the enemy in any way.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 12, 2012 08:52 AM (5g2Fy)

80 Wait, why not let states secede? I really don't see the problem. And I don't think "modern people" - who aren't really that patriotic anyway, and more loyal to Apple than the flag - will have a care either

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 12, 2012 08:52 AM (J6kXj)

81 Just finished listening on the TalkStreamLive app. Good to hear you, John.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at November 12, 2012 08:52 AM (BvTwT)

82 @74

So you would have been on the side of the English in 1776?

We are rapidly heading toward an In the Course of Human Events moment and it's good to know who will be a collaborator and who will fight tyranny.

You will fight in the cause of tyranny it seems.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 08:54 AM (06lNq)

83 Oh now jwest speaks for the majority of conservatives.

Keep yipping, cock-holster.

The Civil War was primarily a battle over competing commercial interests, opposing interpretations of constitutional rights, and "a fiscal quarrel."

Lincoln was a power hungry tool.

Posted by: T.Hunter at November 12, 2012 08:54 AM (EZl54)

84 No problem at all. Great to hear you did good things on Election Day. At least someone had some winners. Here in blue ass CT I only voted for the losers.

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 08:54 AM (sRIFP)

85 Would love to see certain tax breaks ended, or new ones enacted for Hollywood and have the Dems scream to protect their rich bud's in the industry.

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 12, 2012 08:55 AM (lGu1O)

86 77, Bingo. Now you're starting to get it. Accept that the left is your enemy, and recognize that all political enemies must be destroyed using social institutions. If your land is being invaded the time fir negotiation had failed. In this country we fight our wars politically instead of with blood and iron. Fight to win forever or surrender.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 12, 2012 08:55 AM (VSfsH)

80 Wait, why not let states secede? I really don't see the problem.

So any state that has a slight majority of people who oppose the results of a national election should be allowed to secede? That would cause chaos and effectively end the U.S.

Posted by: jwest at November 12, 2012 08:55 AM (ZDsRL)

88 I listened to this too. Very interesting.

I really liked the point by John that this exact same program was attempted by the Dems in 2008, in which it also failed miserably.

I'm not against the idea of an electronic strike-list (I'm a developer and it sounds like an interesting project), but I think it is a fatal idea to centralize it. Instead, each county office should have its own server set up for receiving the data from its set of volunteers in the field. They then are given the responsibility alone for acting on that info... calling folks up, sending out volunteers to pick up voters who need rides, etc. Push the condensed data in the form of hourly reports to the State offices, who would be in the position to buy up last minute radio ads (not sure if possible) and similar measures. Having the central HQ involved (Bostson) should be a last resort. The higher ups needs to equip the local folks and trust them to do a good job on GOTV.

Also, a tried and true system of pencil and paper method has to be available and be able to work side-by-side the electronic. I'm thinking sheets of paper that have those square bar codes next to each name... pull a sticker off to reveal the bar-code, then back at headquarters they can use a bar-code-scanner to quickly import them into the system-database.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 12, 2012 08:55 AM (UypUQ)

89 I think we have to face the fact that the brand name is damaged forever and there's a subconscious revulsion to the very word "Republican"

Once a brand name is damaged, all the reforms in the world are not likely to revive it

Say the word "republican" and seemingly normal people foam at the mouth and go into convulsions, scream obscenities, etc

For example I'll say "German"

Even though they're now wimpier than the French, are peacenik socialists who love Obama more than any other European people, the first image that pops into the mind is Nazis

Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 08:56 AM (wwsoB)

90 82, Bingo. He is not paying his fair share. He needs his taxes increased and his name blacklisted. You are either for us or against us. Period.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 12, 2012 08:57 AM (VSfsH)

The Civil War was primarily a battle over competing commercial
interests, opposing interpretations of constitutional rights, and "a fiscal quarrel."

Lincoln was a power hungry tool.

Yes!! I love North and South flamewars. My ignorance makes it wildly entertaining.

Oh yeah...and fuck crossbows!

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at November 12, 2012 08:57 AM (NF2Bf)

92 May your chains rest lightly, jwest.

Posted by: Jaws at November 12, 2012 08:58 AM (4I3Uo)

93 >>Just finished listening on the TalkStreamLive app. Good to hear you, John. Thank you!

Posted by: JohnE. at November 12, 2012 08:58 AM (nRTou)

94 That would cause chaos and effectively end the U.S.

Yeah because that's not already coming.

Posted by: Adam at November 12, 2012 08:59 AM (/YJYi)

95 @87

No we are beyond that.

We are moving towards tyranny and Socialism.

-Abortion on demand

-Gay marriage

-The removal of God from daily life

-Confiscatory Taxation (We fought a war of Independence over taxation you know)

- Onerous regulation (We are now told what light bulbs to buy, the size of the soft drinks we may purchase, and now we have to buy under the penalty of law Health Insurance.)

The outrages are endless.

And you would fight to preserve this tyranny it seems.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 08:59 AM (06lNq)

96 @87

Only if there is a sufficiently narcissistic dickhead in the Oval Office to prevent such Constitutional function.

but please go on. You were explaining how (INSERT MYTHICAL GOP CANDIATE HERE) would defeat King Barack will save teh Union. ...

Posted by: T.Hunter at November 12, 2012 09:00 AM (EZl54)

97 @ hollowpoint
Newt? Damaged.
Cain? Damaged.
Santorum would have been Akin II
Am I missing anyone?

I'm sure as hell not going to suggest that Newt, Cain, Bachmann, Palin etc would've won where Romney lost. In all likelyhood, they'd have done even worse.

Point is, we can't underestimate our opponent and take for granted that because they're a fuckup, we can beat them no matter who we nominate.

Romney's loss (decent campaign, but the country isn't ready for a cyborg President) shouldn't be used as an excuse to nominate candidates with limited voter appeal.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 09:00 AM (SY2Kh)

98 >>>I'm not against the idea of an electronic strike-list (I'm a developer and it sounds like an interesting project), but I think it is a fatal idea to centralize it. Instead, each county office should have its own server set up for receiving the data from its set of volunteers in the field. They then are given the responsibility alone for acting on that info... calling folks up, sending out volunteers to pick up voters who need rides, etc. Push the condensed data in the form of hourly reports to the State offices, who would be in the position to buy up last minute radio ads (not sure if possible) and similar measures. Having the central HQ involved (Bostson) should be a last resort. The higher ups needs to equip the local folks and trust them to do a good job on GOTV. Totally agree with this. That way there's less stress on the system and if one county fails, well, it's not the end of the world... like when the entire country's data center fails.

Posted by: JohnE. at November 12, 2012 09:00 AM (nRTou)

Ridicule is a powerful weapon. People don't want to associate with a party that celebrates assholes.

This is why it's embarrasing when some people in our party insist on doing incredibly fucking stupid things, like circulate secession petitions.

Posted by: jwest at November 12, 2012 09:01 AM (ZDsRL)

100

@87

Also as has been said : America slit her wrists in 2008. The rest is just the body flopping around in the tub.

@96 CANDIDATE ..dammit

Posted by: T.Hunter at November 12, 2012 09:02 AM (EZl54)

101 @99

I'll put you down in the collaborator column then?

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 09:03 AM (06lNq)

102

Romney's loss (decent campaign, but the country isn't ready for a cyborg President) shouldn't be used as an excuse to nominate candidates with limited voter appeal.

Too bad. I was looking forward to our software compatibility upgrade and data exchange.

Posted by: Stephen Harper at November 12, 2012 09:05 AM (NF2Bf)

103 The Republican establishment keeps repeating the same mistakes over and over and expect different results

How long have we been discussing the problems with the party that we've been discussing for the past week?

Since the end of the Reagan years

Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 09:06 AM (wwsoB)

104 @99

I doubt very many here are in " your party". If you can't understand the reason some people would want to secede , then you don't understand America.

Why didn't Washington , Jefferson and Adams go back to England to fight for big political winz! in England.

You are clueless, stupid and naive. But if you are embarassed jwest " Moby Troll Extraordinaire" , by all means do secede your ass from the comments at AOS.

Posted by: T.Hunter at November 12, 2012 09:06 AM (EZl54)

105 Romney's loss (decent campaign, but the country isn't ready for a cyborg President) shouldn't be used as an excuse to nominate candidates with limited voter appeal.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 01:00 PM (SY2Kh)

Maybe we should have floated the rumor that Mitt is a cyborg. The youth voted might have gone for him

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 09:07 AM (1Jaio)

106 I kept hearing there was going to be a "preference cascade" it never happened. I think everyone got trapped into thinking this is going to be a walkover. Every day we kept saying, "the media is eventually going to turn on him" guess what that never happened.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 12, 2012 09:08 AM (NzBQO)

107 Just sit back, crack something cold, and wait for the inevitable time when the Dems in charge have to choose between screwing the illegals or the unions because there isn't enough money to bribe both. It will be hilarious--and fiery!

They won't choose. They never do. Instead they'll continue to try and delay the inevitable just long enough to allow themselves to retire. See: Social Security and Medicare.

Cliche though it is by now, Greece is just too perfect an example not to cite. Just look at who is getting the blame- not the leftists that created the fiscal problem with runaway spending. Nope- it's all the fault of those who won't continue to pay for goodies with non-existent money.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 09:10 AM (SY2Kh)

108 What if we didn't call it secession, what if we called it independance? We take no fed money, we give no fed money. A small fed tax to support the military. and that's it. States having to deal with the feds is like a business owner partnering with the supranos. All take and no give. You pay for the military and keep up the National gaurd. You got Ideas for education Mr. State? No, fuck you, pay me. You got Ideas for healthcare Mr. State? No, fuck you, pay me. You got Ideas to handle retirement Mr. State? No, fuck you, pay Me. You got Ideas for energy exploration Mr. State, No, fuck you, pay me. It goes on and on. Allow states that choose to run their own business, do it. If the Feds are so great the states will come crawling back.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 09:13 AM (3Y7RV)

109

Just as long as the country name on the currency remains the same, jwest is all good with it. That the government and its dependent class has abandoned just about everything else that goes along with it is of little import.

Constitution? Feh! We'll just hire lawyers with tongues better than $1,500/hr prosties to make whatever outrage we think up sound like Madison hissownelf wrote it!

Federalism? Goddamn racist!

Founding principles? Meh. How bout them New Orleans Saints! Whodat!

In the end, it ain't about the name, or the land, or whatever people happen to rest their asses there. It's about Liberty...and that Liberty is in full reteat and has been for a while, Where's your line in the sand?

Posted by: Jaws at November 12, 2012 09:17 AM (4I3Uo)

110 Laura is spot on. The GOP has no clue how to use social media. Absolutely none.

The Facebook presence of Romney was a joke. No interaction with other users, just a stream of daily posts about jobs. Yeah we get it Mitt, you're about jobs. Now what else? How about an interactive app to show someone how your plan would help them? How about an app that shows a 25 year old how fucked they are with Social Security? How about forming sub pages like "Young Conservatives for Mitt" or "Women for Mitt" or "Hispanics for Mitt"? How about a Spanish FB page? How about a meetup presence and weekly meetings in towns/cities across the land every week to get volunteers energized?

Romney had NOTHING of the sort. Obama on the other hand maximized the use of social media. Some of it worked, some it didn't. But they were out there trying all sorts of things. Even that idiotic AttackWatch which was mocked was still effective in that it got his people to think of opposing ads in "attack watch" mode.

The sad part is in 2016 when Hillary will be using whatever the next big social media thing is, the Rubio/Bush campaign will be perfecting their Facebook strategy....only problem will be that facebook will be virtually extinct by then.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 09:20 AM (HDgX3)

111 Note to jwest: Truth is, Texas won't have to secede. Once Obama's done crashing the Federal Government under the massive weight of his debt, the Republic Of Texas will rise from the ashes.

When "We The People" elected Obama, we put a gun to Uncle Sam's head. When "We The People" re-elected Obama, we pulled the trigger.

Posted by: Naqamel at November 12, 2012 09:29 AM (UMwMT)

112

I cannot be the only one who read that as rubbing something else together.

Rhymes with "sticks." And it wouldn't be far off from what happened.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at November 12, 2012 09:30 AM (2Oas0)

113

It didnÂ’t occur to me at the time, but it should have been a red flagÂ…Â…

Starting in September , the Romney campaign start advertising on radio station in Northern Virginia. The problem is, the heavily advertised on AM CONSERVATIVE stations. What. The. Fuck ???

They were pissing their money away trying to capture an audience that was already in their corner.

Not one add on any of my teen daughters stations.

Stupid.

Posted by: Chairman Mow at November 12, 2012 09:45 AM (RGDtb)

114 the country isn't ready for a cyborg President The problem there is that Mitt isn't actually a cyborg, but the only place you saw that touted was the one night at the convention with the personal testimonials. Those were vote-getting gold if they'd have been quoted in ads and actually shown on TV.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 12, 2012 09:46 AM (B/VB5)

115 Jwest,

I would be opposed to secession myself, on the grounds that slavery, secession, and socialism are democrat policies and should stay that way. That having been said, if you think Obama would join you in Unionist outrage at the idea of say Southern CA seceding as a Free Azatlan or the native Hawaiians declaring their islands an independent republic, you are kidding yourself. The left wing would only be outraged if it was a red state trying to set up a model capitalist and liberty ordered nation. They don't want the competition.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 12, 2012 09:53 AM (BF5Y9)

116 I apologize. Cut/paste is my enemy. I blame Bill Gates.

Posted by: Chairman Mow at November 12, 2012 10:32 AM (RGDtb)

117 "Republicans are still rubbing sticks together".

Such behavior is an abomination, and if I was president there would be a national law forbidding two men from rubbing their sticks together.

Posted by: Rick Santorum at November 12, 2012 10:53 AM (vjyZP)

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