November 24, 2012
— Ace The jury agreed that the job-seeker had been denied her position due to her conservative views. However, they could not agree the Dean was legally responsible for this; they wanted to find the entire university responsible -- but federal law doesn't permit institutions to be held responsible.
So maybe we can use one more law.
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Posted by: Max Power at November 24, 2012 10:41 AM (q177U)
Posted by: Max Power at November 24, 2012 10:41 AM (q177U)
Posted by: the lone lemon at November 24, 2012 10:42 AM (xXhWA)
Posted by: Navycopjoe (team LIB) at November 24, 2012 10:44 AM (WnvXh)
Posted by: Adriane at November 24, 2012 10:45 AM (gh+mp)
Posted by: Navycopjoe (team LIB) at November 24, 2012 10:46 AM (WnvXh)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 24, 2012 10:51 AM (jucos)
Posted by: The Truffle Shuffle at November 24, 2012 10:55 AM (VPhzW)
Posted by: eman at November 24, 2012 11:03 AM (bWwMZ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 24, 2012 11:03 AM (piMMO)
this post is about who has or has not seen ace's doohickey, I think
Posted by: Jones in CO at November 24, 2012 11:04 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 24, 2012 11:05 AM (4oEMf)
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 24, 2012 11:05 AM (1jFOV)
Posted by: eman at November 24, 2012 11:05 AM (bWwMZ)
heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Aqualung
somebody had to
Posted by: Jones in CO at November 24, 2012 11:06 AM (8sCoq)
Tell your kids why U of I is not an acceptable choice.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2012 11:07 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2012 11:08 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Tom Cotton at November 24, 2012 03:01 PM (z9HTb)
Who the heck *is* Tom Cotton and why am I supposed to care?
Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 24, 2012 11:10 AM (NYki8)
Posted by: Daybrother at November 24, 2012 11:13 AM (+paCV)
Posted by: Tom Cotton at November 24, 2012 03:11 PM (z9HTb)
Uhm, no. Yes I know I could look on Google or Wiki but, since it's someone I never heard of before you started pushing him recently, I don't care that much.
Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 24, 2012 11:14 AM (NYki8)
Posted by: Clemenza at November 24, 2012 11:14 AM (Q8Pu5)
Posted by: Daybrother at November 24, 2012 11:15 AM (+paCV)
Posted by: Killerdog at November 24, 2012 11:16 AM (Oi60j)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 24, 2012 11:17 AM (4oEMf)
I'm not the one pushing him. I am mocking the guy pushing him.
Gonna be a long 4 years.
Posted by: fluffy, but not Cotton at November 24, 2012 11:18 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 11:19 AM (gEpFm)
Posted by: Michael Collins, Jeffery and Me at November 24, 2012 11:19 AM (4oEMf)
Posted by: Daybrother at November 24, 2012 11:20 AM (+paCV)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 24, 2012 11:20 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Truman North at November 24, 2012 11:21 AM (I2LwF)
But I've said too much....
Posted by: Mr Know it all at November 24, 2012 11:22 AM (c8hZ5)
*****
Do decisions such as those occur without committee approval?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 24, 2012 03:20 PM (piMMO)
Misdirected lawsuit. The claiment's lawyer should have known better. Or he did know better, and did it anyway. The law has become a fucking racket.
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 11:23 AM (gEpFm)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 24, 2012 11:23 AM (jUytm)
"The dean should have been held responsible. Policy rolls down from the top."
Or, as I prefer to say it, a fish rots from the head.
Posted by: Tonestaple at November 24, 2012 11:24 AM (gvVlx)
Was that the one on the Today show?
Posted by: fluffy at November 24, 2012 11:24 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Gary Moeller: Former Michigan Coach at November 24, 2012 11:25 AM (wIgpo)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 24, 2012 11:25 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Truman North at November 24, 2012 11:27 AM (I2LwF)
But I've said too much....
Google 'tank stuck in the mud'
Posted by: Jones in CO at November 24, 2012 11:27 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: fluffy
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I can't give to much info for fear his Hobo tracking skills will hunt me down...
But it was in the year of our Lord 2006 and it was on one of the more popular cable news networks...
Now I must fashion several snare traps to protect my surroundings....
Posted by: Mr Know it all at November 24, 2012 11:28 AM (c8hZ5)
I have no patience with these scum anymore. I'm perfectly willing to apply "fake but accurate" standards when dealing with them. They engineered this fucked up system, let'em live by it.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 24, 2012 11:29 AM (1jFOV)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 24, 2012 03:25 PM (jUytm)
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Not only discrimination, but everything. "Feelings" are the law of the land now, not the US Constitution.
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 11:29 AM (gEpFm)
Easy enough to throw him off the trail. Ever heard of soap?
Posted by: fluffy, charming Masshole at November 24, 2012 11:31 AM (z9HTb)
We'd report the costs of the major-rule pipeline if we had current data. But the White House budget office document known as the unified agenda that reveals the regulations under development hasn't been published since fall 2011. The delay violates multiple federal laws and executive orders that require an agenda every six months, so we thought readers might like a rough guide to the regulatory flood that is about to roll through the economy.
http://tinyurl.com/cwoa2nm (WSJ)
We are in a lawless era, where laws are only used against us. As reference, note all the challenges to voter ID, continued ACORN funding, declaring the Senate in recess, Jon Corzine, Black Panther get out of jail free card, and too many others to list here.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2012 11:31 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Tonestaple at November 24, 2012 03:28 PM (gvVlx)
I once turned in a paper to the staff college on the effectiveness of mass crucifixions in stamping out terrorism. Maybe that would also work in this case.
I still think the Romans had the answer to all things. Until they went socialist, of course.
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 11:33 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 24, 2012 11:34 AM (jUytm)
A fart in a whirlwind.
Unless you are willing to "go to the barricades" on behalf of some imagined or real discrimination, nothing will happen.
Nobody is going to lose anything, except the plaintiff. This lady who was an alleged 'conservative' will get nothing. And now she is radioactive, so no one else will touch her.
The academic system is so rotten and corrupt, so full of like - minded Leftwing drones, that it is all a lost cause.
Let it burn. Really.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is Eddie Willers at November 24, 2012 11:36 AM (Md8Uo)
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 11:37 AM (gEpFm)
I still think the Romans had the answer to all things.
Do you have a resume handy?
Posted by: Lisa Jackson at November 24, 2012 11:37 AM (z9HTb)
Mass crucifixion, perhaps. But what about mass impalings? I just learned yesterday that impalings were accomplished by attaching heavy weights to the arms and legs of the soon-to-be-impaled. We could make the punishment suit the crime by impaling the lawyers by setting them on top of pointed sticks and tying those monster Westlaw volumes to them. And for lawyers who are also government bureaucrats, we use the Federal Register.
I don't just believe in justice; I believe in poetic justice.
Posted by: Tonestaple at November 24, 2012 11:38 AM (gvVlx)
Considering I'm at a park watching little girls play soccer it really would be a smart move anyway I think
That depends; how good are you at playing a flute solo?
Posted by: Alex at November 24, 2012 11:39 AM (HwgHt)
Posted by: Mr Know it all at November 24, 2012 11:39 AM (c8hZ5)
Posted by: Lisa Jackson at November 24, 2012 03:37 PM (z9HTb)
I'm more of the school of tacitus or cicero. Piss off, tyrant.
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 11:40 AM (OQpzc)
Two teams that I root for have a chance to end their own crappy seasons by encrappening the season of their opponents. BC (2 wins) is playing their ex-head coach at Bowl-bound NC State and Wake Forest (5 wins) is playing perennial SEC doormat Vanderbilt at the end of one of Vandy's best seasons in years.Wake would become Bowl eligible (but probably not worthy) with a win. All BC has to play for is pride. Repost from dead thread.
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2012 11:41 AM (tkoGU)
Posted by: Tonestaple at November 24, 2012 03:38 PM (gvVlx)
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I'd be happy with equal justice.
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 11:41 AM (gEpFm)
Posted by: Tonestaple at November 24, 2012 11:42 AM (gvVlx)
Crucifixions?
Barky likes those, remember?
"We had to crucify them, to make an example out of them to others."
We now have crucifixion by lawfare.
And the mass crucifixions are already happening.
Posted by: wheatie at November 24, 2012 11:43 AM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Truman North at November 24, 2012 03:39 PM (I2LwF)
They were never honest or free. A pox on all the european aristocrats, and the proles who kiss their hand.
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 11:44 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Tonestaple at November 24, 2012 11:44 AM (gvVlx)
Posted by: USS Diversity at November 24, 2012 11:45 AM (9ghZ6)
Posted by: wheatie at November 24, 2012 03:43 PM (ICEh3)
Almost like Nero had been reborn. Weird, huh?
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 11:45 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 24, 2012 11:46 AM (piMMO)
Barky likes those, remember?
"We had to crucify them, to make an example out of them to others."
We now have crucifixion by lawfare.
And the mass crucifixions are already happening.
Posted by: wheatie at November 24, 2012 03:43 PM (ICEh3)
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Once again, we talk a lot about it, but what are we actually willing to DO about it.
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 11:47 AM (gEpFm)
oh wait, i'm a conservative. i do not believe in punishing freedom of choice.
How we just get federal money out of the system, and let the ivory tower pinks do what they want in their little socialist/Gomorrah fiefdoms.
Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 24, 2012 11:48 AM (zZJJp)
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 24, 2012 11:48 AM (6H6FZ)
Note: Remember the last couple years when Luke Kuechly was tearing up the ACC with his tackle totals? He seems to have transitioned nicely to the NFL, where he's third in the league in that category.
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2012 11:49 AM (tkoGU)
So I think what might have happened is that the law school dean did some blame-shifting and said "look, even if there was discrimination, I'm not the person *really* in charge, just look at this org chart". And the typical layman doesn't really understand how higher ed works (it is opaque, to say the least) and just accepted this org chart as equivalent to what one might be in the private sector, i.e., the guy at the top really is the person in charge. Which is not the case here.
Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2012 11:49 AM (m/eXi)
Posted by: USS Diversity at November 24, 2012 03:45 PM (9ghZ6)
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It's not a university, but Hillsdale College. I'm sure there are others. Admittedly too few, though.
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 11:49 AM (gEpFm)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at November 24, 2012 11:49 AM (ky8o3)
Almost like Nero had been reborn. Weird, huh?
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 03:45 PM (OQpzc)
Worse, I think.
It's more like a combination of Nero + Caligula.
Posted by: wheatie at November 24, 2012 11:49 AM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Truman North at November 24, 2012 11:50 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 24, 2012 11:50 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Infidel at November 24, 2012 11:50 AM (6gXNv)
Theme song for the American *cough, hmbullshit* Justice *cough* system.
SIRENIA - The Path To Decay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouZQ7rgAq-I
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 11:51 AM (OQpzc)
Well, there *is* a video out there of Ace accepting the 2007 blogger of the year award, I did see it once, but I tried finding it again and I think it's been taken down.
From what I recall of the video, the description of Ace as an Ewok isn't all that inaccurate.
Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2012 11:51 AM (m/eXi)
But, but teh childrens must go to teh yooneeversitees! And it must be free and good and then everyone's good and happy and good.
Only evil rethugglicans want people to pay for a service. We need free everythingss 'cause money is teh bad and we are teh good.
Therefore, die Thugglican!!!!eelventy!
Posted by: Your average leftie [/i] [/b] at November 24, 2012 11:52 AM (ON54M)
I didn't realize someone had added a first half to my book.
Posted by: Edward Gibbon at November 24, 2012 11:52 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2012 03:49 PM (QKKT0)
Overruled. Do you want to join the defendants in the pit, councelor?
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 11:52 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at November 24, 2012 03:49 PM (ky8o3)
And even if someone in power slips up and admits responsibility, there are never any consequences.
It certainly gives one more flexibility (especially after an election)!
Posted by: Barky Ochooma at November 24, 2012 11:53 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Your average leftie [/i] [/b] at November 24, 2012 11:54 AM (ON54M)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at November 24, 2012 03:49 PM (ky8o3)
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If you work for a large corporation, look at their organizational chart. It's complicated for a reason.
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 11:54 AM (gEpFm)
Posted by: Jmel at November 24, 2012 11:55 AM (c+D8V)
I wonder what it would take to put Shakespear's injunction into action? What might be a precipitating event?
Posted by: Tonestaple at November 24, 2012 11:55 AM (gvVlx)
Posted by: Edward Gibbon at November 24, 2012 03:52 PM (QKKT0)
Sorry Edward, if I had been writing in ink with a quill pen, I most probably would not have made that mistake!
Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 24, 2012 11:56 AM (Cnqmv)
Pit? This place has really gone into the shitter. We used to get a dock.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2012 11:57 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Edward Gibbon
Have you considered writing a sequel?
Posted by: literary agent at November 24, 2012 11:57 AM (z9HTb)
Hit the dean! Make him pay! That will scare the hell out of weasels the nation over.
Posted by: PJ at November 24, 2012 11:58 AM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2012 03:57 PM (QKKT0)
It will be an ecclectic tribunal. Part roman, part mongol.
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 11:58 AM (OQpzc)
Bounties. Large bounties.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2012 11:59 AM (ccXZP)
we need more people thinking like that in universities.
and sorry about typos above. I am in asia and it is dark and i am uncoffeed.
Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 24, 2012 11:59 AM (zZJJp)
Once we get rid of unions, then teachers and professors will know to shut the F up and obey their administrative overseers.
Which will be great for conservatism. Because educrats are strongly conservative and all union members are evil bastards. I know that's what Ronnie Reagan ran on when he was winning landslides by attracting Reagan Democrats.
Oh well, I hate unions and working people, so I vote Republican. That, and I LOVE NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND and internet schools (because they are for profit, which is always good).
Hard to believe a party which has come up with NCLB, the Patriot Act, the Department of Homeland Security, and the Medicare prescription drug entitlement would possibly contain people who don't believe in the devolution of powers.
F the GOP and F Mitt Romney.
Posted by: stickety at November 24, 2012 11:59 AM (+Vm+w)
Posted by: Chris Christie at November 24, 2012 11:59 AM (wIgpo)
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 03:58 PM (OQpzc)
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Will there be "brazen bulls"?
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 12:00 PM (gEpFm)
1962:
Jury Can't Find Verdict In Race-Bias-In-Academic-Hiring Case
The jury agreed that the job-seeker had been denied her position due to her race. However, they could not agree the Dean was legally responsible for this; they wanted to find the entire university responsible -- but federal law doesn't permit institutions to be held responsible.
What is old, is new again. Just the actors, roles and protagonists change.
Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at November 24, 2012 12:02 PM (Ea64Y)
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 04:00 PM (gEpFm)
Nah. Too much ceremony to waste on evil. There will be wild dogs, though. Very mean and hungry wild dogs.
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 12:03 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Daybrother at November 24, 2012 12:04 PM (+paCV)
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 24, 2012 12:04 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 24, 2012 12:05 PM (piMMO)
The Maine Surprise!
http://tinyurl.com/c225xua
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 24, 2012 12:06 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 04:03 PM (OQpzc)
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I'm feeding some ferrel cats. Should I stop feeding them?
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 12:06 PM (gEpFm)
Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at November 24, 2012 12:06 PM (Q8Wa9)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 24, 2012 12:07 PM (piMMO)
The Maine Surprise!
http://tinyurl.com/c225xua
I didn't think that was really him until I saw his category, "ornamental bush."
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2012 12:07 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 04:06 PM (gEpFm)
No. Nothing will ever happen. We will let the lawyer/politicians drive us all the way into the crater. Teach them to hunt so they may survive after the implosion of all we value.
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 12:09 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2012 12:09 PM (7TwHV)
Posted by: fluffy, but not Cotton at November 24, 2012 03:18 PM (z9HTb)
Oops, sorry Fluffy. That's what I get for not checking the hash more carefully.
Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 24, 2012 12:11 PM (NYki8)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2012 04:07 PM (QKKT0)
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I don't think so. I think he's that fire hydrant over ther..........ah, man, get that dog away from him.
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 12:11 PM (gEpFm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 24, 2012 12:11 PM (piMMO)
Nah. Too much ceremony to waste on evil. There will be wild dogs, though. Very mean and hungry wild dogs.
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 04:03 PM (OQpzc)
Wild dogs? Where?
We eat wild dogs. Yum.
Posted by: Wild Hogs at November 24, 2012 12:12 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 24, 2012 12:14 PM (piMMO)
We eat wild dogs. Yum.
Posted by: Wild Hogs at November 24, 2012 04:12 PM (ICEh3)
Me too, where you get em?
Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry, The One Who Eats Dogs at November 24, 2012 12:15 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 12:15 PM (gEpFm)
I think we should encourage the OWSers to file class-action suits against all the colleges and universities who have saddled them with massive debt.
These innocent young people were duped by these schools, into thinking that there would be jobs waiting for them...if they enrolled in their degree programs.
Duped, I say!
Posted by: wheatie at November 24, 2012 12:17 PM (ICEh3)
Right now the libs are winning because they have most of the cultural capital. But we can get it back. If the Aldersons and Kochs of the world started funding conservative academics in the academy and not just think tanks, things would be better. If they supported Western Civ/Classics/Dead White Guy studies that would start to balance out the Transgendered Underwater Basket Weaving Departments flooding the universities.
The other way to get cultural capital is to buy it. Instead of boycotting a company like Disney, buy it! You get ABC, ABCNews, ESPN, Star Wars, Marvel etc. That's tremendous cultural capital. If the stockholders elected a conservative board, that would slowly effect change. Personnel is policy. I remember years ago Pat Robertson threatened to buy CBS. Viacom had an apeshit panic, before they realized he didn't have the money to do it.
As part of our Tea Party efforts, we should target companies and institutions for take over. Its not enough to target political offices. We need to take control of the levers of culture. I think in the run up to 2014, we should pick a target and get it. I mention Disney because its big, and aimed squarely at the youths. And while its liberal, its not toxic like NBC, so its more attractive. And ole Walt and Ronnie were best buds back in the day so we'd be returning it to its founder's roots.
Posted by: Iblis at November 24, 2012 12:17 PM (Pl9nC)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 24, 2012 12:18 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Soona at November 24, 2012 12:18 PM (gEpFm)
I think we should encourage the OWSers to file class-action suits against all the colleges and universities who have saddled them with massive debt.
sure, yuck it up. the pigford lawyers are assembling a class right now.
Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 24, 2012 12:19 PM (zZJJp)
This is my biggest fear about the economy right now. We are all hoping for a recovery, and we all expect the economy will start to show some life eventually, but could the public possibly give credit to barry for the recovery he tried to suffocate for two terms? fdr still gets credit from a lot of people for the economy finally recovering after he spent four terms terms trying to kill it.
Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 24, 2012 12:20 PM (zZJJp)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 24, 2012 12:20 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Iblis at November 24, 2012 04:17 PM (Pl9nC)
If...
If by Rudyard Kipling
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 12:21 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 24, 2012 12:23 PM (piMMO)
Like Saxby Chambliss
Could someone tell me why the Republican party exists? I can't think of any
Posted by: kbdabear at November 24, 2012 12:23 PM (wwsoB)
Unless the law gets in the way of a lefty "doing the work of the American people", then the law is a distraction and racism
If the law won't do anything, it's time for Mr Market to kick them multiple times in the junk. Lefties worship their own money
Posted by: kbdabear at November 24, 2012 12:26 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: kbdabear at November 24, 2012 04:23 PM (wwsoB)
To convince you your vote matters. The most vile of lies.
Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 12:26 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Truman North at November 24, 2012 12:44 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: kbdabear at November 24, 2012 04:23 PM (wwsoB)
If there weren't a minority party, we would invent one...
and it might actually have principles and leaders with integrity...
instead, we have the Grand Old Rino party peopled with Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, Chambliss, McCainetc.
Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 24, 2012 12:45 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Synova at November 24, 2012 01:09 PM (7/PU+)
It's more like a combination of Nero + Caligula.
Posted by: wheatie at November 24, 2012 03:49 PM
Except Caligula was at least a capable soldier and Nero actually had talent.
Posted by: otho at November 24, 2012 05:33 PM (yBF/9)
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