November 09, 2012
— Ace Here's the problem: Hispanics are sort of in favor of amnesty.
But that's not why they vote Democratic. They vote Democratic because... they're Democrats.
So we're making a play for a very Democratic voting bloc by promising to make more Democrats.
An article I can't find at the moment (found it-- it's from a blog no one reads) noted that Hispanics say in polls they are broadly in favor of big government with more spending and more programs. I think they are more in favor of that than amnesty.
Not sure what amnesty gets us. One of the basic problems here is that pro-amnesty people brag that George W. Bush, who pushed amnesty, got 40% of the Hispanic vote.
40%. So he only lost it by 20%.
So every million Hispanics that vote, the GOP loses 200,000 votes. And that's Best Case Scenario. I don't see what amnesty does except increase the number of Hispanic voters who will vote against us.
Via Hot Air, this article by Heather Mac Donald rubbishes the "natural Republican constituency" hooey:
A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration. Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican party on class-warfare grounds — “it favors only the rich”; “Republicans are selfish and out for themselves”; “Republicans don’t represent the average person”– compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances....
And a strong reason for that support for big government is that so many Hispanics use government programs. U.S.-born Hispanic households in California use welfare programs at twice the rate of native-born non-Hispanic households. And that is because nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics are poor in California, compared to a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nearly seven in ten poor children in the state are Hispanic, and one in three Hispanic children is poor, compared to less than one in six non-Hispanic children....
The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites.
The demographic changes set into motion by official and de facto immigration policy favoring low-skilled over high-skilled immigrants mean that a Republican party that purports to stand for small government and free markets faces an uncertain future.
And Now Cubans, Too: Cubans voted 49% for Obama in Florida. The one segment of the Hispanic vote that used to vote Republican is now moving strongly to join the Obama's Racial Coalition.
Ha Ha Ha Ha: Drew just emailed me to say the "more in favor of big government" statistic I wrote about came from a blog no one ever reads.
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Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 09, 2012 08:29 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 09, 2012 08:31 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 09, 2012 08:31 AM (BuSM8)
SeriouslyÂ… Medicare/Medicaid , Social Security, ObamacareÂ… all of it. Unsustainable but the law of the land and completely entrenched. So let it all collapse.
The Middle East can burn and all of the Oil-ticks can starve in their godforsaken desert.
Israel will be fine. They donÂ’t need out money or our weapons. Obama was a hater and the New York and Florida Jewish population STILL went for him. Oh well.
Let China attack Taiwan , it will keep them occupied for years and years to come so they will be hard pressed to maintain the rest of their global mischief.
Pull out of Afghanistan. They do not deserve one more penny or one more drop of our blood. I would'nt waste a good piss on them.
Pakistan can rot. I would encourage a nuclear war between India and Pakistan. It would keep them bottled up as well ( as well as out “friends” Russia and China). The whole of Asia could fall into the sea and I would not weep a single tear.
Posted by: Chairman Mow at November 09, 2012 08:31 AM (RGDtb)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 09, 2012 08:31 AM (ZMzpb)
Posted by: Boots at November 09, 2012 08:32 AM (neKzn)
We will need to only allow Asian and European educated persons to enter the US as immigrants until this unfair Mexican imbalance is repaired.
Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 08:32 AM (wYVte)
Posted by: maddogg at November 09, 2012 08:32 AM (OlN4e)
Anyway, in four years wherever the hell they came from is gonna start looking a lot more inviting.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 09, 2012 08:32 AM (feFL6)
Time to quit the stupid party.
Posted by: Lemmenkainen at November 09, 2012 08:32 AM (ZWvOb)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 09, 2012 08:32 AM (FvJAY)
Posted by: ORCA at November 09, 2012 08:33 AM (b+jI9)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 09, 2012 08:33 AM (X/+QT)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 08:33 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 09, 2012 08:33 AM (SY2Kh)
Thsi way it looks legal and we're not Chavezland so quick.
I plan to learn enough spanish to moby them into secession.
No joke.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 08:33 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: ORCA at November 09, 2012 12:33 PM (b+jI9)
LOL! That's going to be a lasting meme here!
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 08:33 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: yinzer at November 09, 2012 08:34 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 08:34 AM (wYVte)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at November 09, 2012 08:34 AM (1zwZo)
Posted by: mare at November 09, 2012 08:34 AM (A98Xu)
Something to get used to, internalize, and plan for.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 09, 2012 08:34 AM (X/+QT)
Take a note from this guy:
"Allen West says that not only did they recount votes that had already been counted in St. Lucie county that put him behind his opponent, but they did it behind closed doors. He adds that there were also violations of Florida state law and that people should answer for it and that his campaign intends to ensure this was a fair election for their constituents. "
http://tinyurl.com/af5m9vh
Posted by: TD, one of the makers not one of the takers at November 09, 2012 08:34 AM (DQMcq)
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 09, 2012 08:34 AM (Z3ckx)
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2012 08:34 AM (I27d2)
Because some of us believe in following the law?
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 08:34 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 08:35 AM (XkWWK)
Here is the smart strategy: Your base is hard against amnesty for illegals, so you hop on that bandwagon and shit on the base to attempt to whore off a few hispanic votes, which would be around 5% of the base you lose while doing it.
Fucking brilliant.
Posted by: maddogg at November 09, 2012 08:35 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 09, 2012 08:35 AM (b+jI9)
Why not a path to citizenship for refugees from (not so) Great Britain? Or even France as their tax rates are about to skyrocket and some of them want out......
Posted by: Boots at November 09, 2012 08:35 AM (neKzn)
exactly I came here looking for solace and everyone has a hard on to steal my wife's pension from her by nuking the military without any domestic cuts.
Okay.
I'm working past the bitterness and saying "you're not getting my son to go empower the Muslim brotherhood in libya."
Have fun.
This gun's retired.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 08:35 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Linda at November 09, 2012 08:35 AM (+4Zuh)
And why is General McFlighjacket going to Cambodia? Does he need to bow to his communist masters?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 08:35 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: John Boehner at November 09, 2012 08:35 AM (7vSU0)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 08:36 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: mare at November 09, 2012 08:36 AM (A98Xu)
And what is that getting us? Fucked.
Embrace outlawry.
Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 08:36 AM (wYVte)
Because they're not entirely conservatives either? Shit, they like them some Uncle Gravy too, but even they have a tolerance for taxes.
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 08:36 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2012 12:34 PM (I27d2)
Nope, not even a first look. We need to stick around to set things aright when western civilization wipes out and faceplants.
It'll be in our lifetime, I think. >.> It's gonna suck, but such are the times we are doomed to. We'll have to make the most of it. Could end in a new "Greatest Generation", too.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 09, 2012 08:36 AM (X1PJ8)
Watch, they will strike some "Grand Bargain" to avoid sequestration, raise taxes, and allow spending to increase unabated. w00t!
Posted by: holygoat at November 09, 2012 08:36 AM (XnwWl)
Posted by: Sgt. Fury at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (wmR6i)
Embrace outlawry.
Can't keep up with the pace the dems are doing it with. Outnumbered.
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (GQ8sn)
Why is it so hard to grasp that he will give it to them either way?
He won(again) this is what America wanted so have it.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (moRRg)
Posted by: John Boehner at November 09, 2012 12:35 PM (7vSU0)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (X/+QT)
Embrace
Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 12:36 PM (wYVte)
Lawry.... steak salts.
Damn, I'm making ribs and baked potatoes tonight for sure.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (X1PJ8)
It's still a Loss but it really wasn't that bad; especially when you see all the little paper cuts that added up.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (feFL6)
My welfare queens wre getting bored and lonely with their free cell phones.
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (ovpNn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 12:35 PM (XkWWK)
Add conscription for males under 30, and I'll think about it.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (MLHfc)
Posted by: TD, one of the makers not one of the takers at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (DQMcq)
Simple math. 20 million new citizens. A good majority will vote dem and big govt. There would never be a repub majority or president ever again.
Posted by: Hector's two leftist feet at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (PHb2k)
Posted by: Mr pink at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (Zzyhu)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (/eBe8)
1) Must register within 1 year.
2) Must be able to prove they were here for at least the past 5 years.
3) Must wait 10 years for citizenship.
4) Must not be convicted of a felony, or multiple misdemeanors during the entire
15 year period.
5) The number of people who register will be counted towards immigration
quotas, reducing the available slots for those who wish to immigrate here.
Posted by: TC at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (vYB+W)
Posted by: Allen West at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (7vSU0)
I am in favor of totally open wild west no restrictions open borders now.
Let it burn and I assure you the best way to do that is hell bent for leather anything goes.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (LRFds)
BURN THE MOTHER FUCKING GOP DOWN!
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (ovpNn)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (r2PLg)
But we have argued this all morning and the trolls are out in force. And it is time to ban some of these offensive trolls like Hector who accused AoS of being stocked with people who want to put Hispanics in the Gas Chamber.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (WEWGu)
Sven, speaking as a Canadian I can tell you it would be not that bad. There are wide open spaces and they speak English and the drive on the ride side of the road. The gun and alcohol laws will be a change for you, but at least no one will look at you funny when you talk.
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (GQ8sn)
We'll be lucky if it ever gets as good as it was in the 1970s.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (wYVte)
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (KjYBZ)
Posted by: Average Voter at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (QEzSf)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (jucos)
Posted by: Whoever this is, it's definitely not Michael at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (JVCVF)
I wrote this over at HotAir:
You know what? I’m sick of Mickey Kaus. And Kirsten Powers. And Ann Althouse, and all these bloggers and pundits that have what they have because of conservative readership – yet support Obama. Sure Althouse says she voted for Romney – but she also said she is fine with Obama because of the social issue crap. I am worn out and done with all this. Bring the fiscal cliff. Let it burn. Every bit of it.
Posted by: Janetoo at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (FUW1H)
Fucking brilliant. Posted by: maddogg at November 09, 2012 12:35 PM
We'll make it up in volume!
Posted by: Republican strategery at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (ovpNn)
Posted by: The GOP at November 09, 2012 08:40 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Osoloco at November 09, 2012 08:40 AM (4b8WN)
Posted by: Kermit at November 09, 2012 08:40 AM (J/S+8)
Bear in mind that illegals in Mexico get shot.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 08:40 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 12:39 PM (wYVte)
There will be blood if they come for my barbeque. I'll have none of it.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 09, 2012 08:40 AM (X1PJ8)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (I87cK)
You can't stop the whirlwind. It's coming best play IMHO is dismantle INS totally.
Wreck the system.
I've spent 20 years telling people this is a wreck in the making.
I'm not arguing anymore.
Let it run as hard as it can.
Show me "caring" is all it takes democrats.
I will live as lean as I can and wait you out or die humbly.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (LRFds)
As (I think it was) Drew said here the other day, there is no electoral solution to the debt crisis. We just have to let it crash; i.e. we are at the point where we have to destroy the village to save it. Only when people see the real life, terrifying consequences of their actions is their any possibility they will learn and only then can we start rebuilding.
In the mean time, we can continue to warn people it's coming. They won't listen now, but when the crash hits, they'll remember - and wish they had.
Posted by: thirteen28 at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (AbmsP)
Posted by: F-Boehner at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (JwUAW)
Just leave the question of amnesty out of it. Say, "Border enforcement first. We'll discuss what to do with those who are already here after we've figured out a way to secure our own border."
As many have pointed out in the past, this is every bit as much a National Security issue as it is an immigration issue.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (/eBe8)
Presidential Voting History for California
1968 - GOP
1972 - GOP
1976 - GOP
1980 - GOP
1984 - GOP
1986 - Simpson/Boles Amnesty Act Passes
1988 - GOP
1992 - DEM
1996 - DEM
2000 - DEM
2004 - DEM
2008 - DEM
2012 - DEM
California is now entirely Democrat and will never be a GOP state because of massive unchecked illegal immigration from the shit hole that is Mexico
This is the fate that awaits the country if we are stupid enough to commit suicide but seeing as we have fucking idiots in leadership positions and within the ranks of the moron horde this seems the likely outcome.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (06lNq)
Here's the actual reality. What the studies overwhelmingly show about immigration is that HIGH-SKILLED IMMIGRANTS are an ECONOMIC POSITIVE. They are a net benefit to the society in which they arrive. They on average pay more in taxes than they receive in services. They have strong productivity.
Whereas, by contrast, LOW-SKILLED IMMIGRANTS are an ECONOMIC NEGATIVE. They are a net drain on the society in which they arrive. They on average pay less in taxes than they receive in services. They have weak productivity.
This has nothing to do with race. It has nothing to do with culture. And it works that way in all countries.
A white low-skilled immigrant is just as bad for America as is a brown low-skilled immigrant.
Or,
A brown low-skilled immigrant is just as bad for Australia as is a white low-skilled immigrant.
Other societies that used to have large amounts of low-skilled immigrants coming in have figured out that doing so is a mug's game. And they have had to stop playing that game. They have gone to points-based systems where you get most of your points based on having useful skills that will let you produce new wealth instead of consuming the host society's existing wealth.
The fundamental problem with Hispanic immigrants is that they have low skills. I'm happy to let in as many Hispanics with engineering and medical degrees as we can find. There just aren't very many. Instead we are getting tens of millions of people who often can't even read and write. Not even in their own language.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (ymG7s)
why is that a great loss?
The American people just voted on the US constitution it lost.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (moRRg)
GOP: "Constitutional Amendment to Guarantee Reparations" .... because then the African Americans will vote for us!
M'kay.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (lTVJy)
I need to set my watch.
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (ovpNn)
Let the breed bleed itself of this disease called liberalism.
The most fitting song for this crap:
Stuck Mojo - Drawing Blood
http://youtu.be/3cv3K0CXL5Y
Posted by: lurkingpoet at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (XKFBD)
Of all the Latinos I've talked to who came to the U.S. legally, every one of them was against amnesty. They didn't like the idea of someone else getting for free what they themselves worked very hard to attain.
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (i+EXG)
Democrats could use seven more perpetual electoral votes.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (WbGW2)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (1zwZo)
She took a lot of words to say "Free Shit."
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Baldy at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (opS9C)
Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (dZ756)
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (MLHfc)
No, no, no... we showed up to the game, ran through our banner cheering wildly, and it was already 100-0. We lost 200-0. Then we kicked a sad little field goal but time had already expired.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (QEzSf)
I agree, it's a silly fantasy to think that amnesty will benefit Republicans. But we do need a humane solution. I don't know what, exactly, which is the problem.
The Republican party cannot allow the narrative to be what it is, which is that Democrats are pro-Hispanic, and Republicans are anti-Hispanic. And "Juan McCain" manner of debating certainly doesn't help.
Ace, if you're reading this, here's something I wish you would ponder. I have Hispanic relatives. I would never ever refer them to your blog, because I'd be ashamed of the comments, which would repel them.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (KDek4)
Its all a moot point anyway, new found oil wealth,cheap labor and lax environmental laws in central and south america means manufacturing jobs in those countries will slow illegal immigration into the united states.
Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (AW9md)
Posted by: Whatev at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (GQ8sn)
I see two memes here involving fire:
(a) Burn It Down
(b) Let It Burn
I like plan (b).
Plan (a) destroys everything intentionally.
Plan (b) allows saving family heirlooms, as needed.
Example: I watch the Republican party panic and freak about amnesty with an amused look. I won't encourage it. (burn it down)
While the Republican party is on fire (self-immolation), I might (might!) help save one or two of them. (let it burn)
Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 12:33 PM (VtjlW)
Can the gators have lasers?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (xHZCD)
Posted by: Osoloco at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (4b8WN)
Bingo.
Don't stop him ever.
Just say "this is not what I want but Barack you won and I won't stop you."
Over and over and over.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (LRFds)
Romney lost because millions of White sat home; 350,000 in four states.
Giving in on amnesty will kill the Republican Party--not harm it; kill it. As in dead ( not pining for the fjords )
Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: maddogg at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (OlN4e)
If Romney had gotten 40% of the Hispanic vote like Bush he would have won Florida, New Mexico, Colorado, Virginia and Nevada. The Republcians have to try to win Hispanic voters. White Catholics were heavily Democratic and then Nixon began to win them over. Guess what, you have to try Ace. Please leave the Nativist bubble and see this as an opportunity.
Do you want to keep losing?
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (TVbdM)
Because there is no reason I should have to get out of my car to buy oranges. #Amnesty!
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (MLHfc)
Here we go again with controlling the narrative, issues and message. Stop the insanity!!!!!!! Dems want GOP to fall on the sword and do the unpopular immigration reform for them. UHG!
GOP should not even entertain amnesty until border is closed and secure. If Mexico has armed guards and check points on their southern border, why can't we?
Posted by: Deli LLama at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (lGu1O)
Democrats could use seven more perpetual electoral votes.
And two more Democrat senators.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Republican strategery at November 09, 2012 12:39 PM
We'll make it up in volume. Posted by: The GOP at November 09, 2012 12:40 PM
I like the way you think.
Posted by: Republican strategery at November 09, 2012 08:44 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 08:44 AM (X3lox)
Let. It. Burn.
Rope and a dark, lonely place.
Teh Mayans.
I must say we've got quite a few attractive options here, folks! I, for one, am truly looking forward to the next 4 years of Unchained Democratocracy.
Posted by: jakeman at November 09, 2012 08:44 AM (96M6e)
Posted by: OCBill at November 09, 2012 08:44 AM (YJvVE)
102 Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 12:42 PM (OWjjx)
Detroit. we could live large for $200 in detroit.
Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 08:44 AM (WEWGu)
What sucks is the Hispanics who are most likely to vote GOP would also be those against amnesty, from what I've heard.
Of course, the media gives a platform to Hispanics shilling for amnesty most loudly, though. Even if that is the majority opinion in the Hispanic population, it's not monolithic. Ask those who, for example, went through the legal citizenship process what they think of amnesty.
Posted by: BS Inc. at November 09, 2012 08:44 AM (P2Ufm)
Yeah, but they'd be open for other solutions, if any were forthcoming.
What they're really in favor of is not being demonized, and the Democrats are expert fear-mongers, while the Republicans are clumsy oafs. Advantage Democrats.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 09, 2012 08:44 AM (KDek4)
Posted by: maddogg at November 09, 2012 08:45 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Yoda (needs govt funding) at November 09, 2012 08:45 AM (PHb2k)
I'm for allowing ANY third world shithole to petition to join and tell them..."no english no nothing we'll just cut checks and you can even keep the gringos out."
Let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 08:45 AM (LRFds)
...wait WHO AM I KIDDING!
Welfare queens and jobs...HAHAHAHAHA
I GOT MAH FREE PHONE!
MY OBAMA PHONE!
Here is what you do people.
If you want government assistance, they you have to be voluntarily sterilized and be willing to subject yourself to testing for developing drugs that can cure cancer.
If you are going to be a mother fucking burden on society its time for you to give back you useless piece of shit!
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 09, 2012 08:45 AM (ovpNn)
I bet your European ancestors came from hell holes as well. How's Socialist Europe doing? Thought so!
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 08:45 AM (TVbdM)
Posted by: Gerry at November 09, 2012 08:45 AM (T4SG9)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (X3lox)
I've never demonized them I've said it is bullshit my ancestors were forced to jump through hoops and they just walk the fuck in but guess what Juan Pablo won that fucking argument so no more whining let 'em all in.
You won Juan.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (MLHfc)
Remember, in 1986 they thought there were 1 millions illegals.
How many did they grant citizenship to? 3 million.
Whoops, only off by a factor of 3.
Hmm, 3 x 20 = 60 million.
Ruh roh. Not saying that there is 60 million, but I bet it's a damn sight higher than 20.
Should be fun watching all the "Look at the huge lines for Amnesty, we were way off!" media stories.
Posted by: RarestRX at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (9ct4e)
Air brakes.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (GQ8sn)
I see two memes here involving fire:
(a) Burn It Down
(b) Let It Burn
I like plan (b).
Plan (a) destroys everything intentionally.
Plan (b) allows saving family heirlooms, as needed.
Example: I watch the Republican party panic and freak about amnesty with an amused look. I won't encourage it. (burn it down)
While the Republican party is on fire (self-immolation), I might (might!) help save one or two of them. (let it burn)
The two are almost interchangeable. I'm not sure any one of us is trying actively burn it down. That would be the equivalent to the remaining House GOP members voting in lockstep with whatever the dems want. In this sense, the dems have 100% of the government.
I'd
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 08:47 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 09, 2012 08:47 AM (jucos)
I have a decent enough skillset I might be a little more froggy than a starving mestizo.
The devil in me says filibuster Chihuahua and or Sonora.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 08:47 AM (LRFds)
Look, Democrats didn't sense what these demographic groups wanted and then pander to them. Democrats created these categories, both of people and of thought, to their advantage.
They wrote the rules we play by. We can't pander to a rigged game. We need to change the game.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 09, 2012 08:47 AM (KDek4)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 08:47 AM (VtjlW)
The ones here illegally, or baby daddy here illegally, or got a friend they want to bring in without paying the fees, etc, are in favor.
This is also true of Poles, Brits, Turks, Chinese, and Africans here illegally.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 08:47 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 09, 2012 08:47 AM (ovpNn)
Not sure what amnesty gets us.
The only trade-off would be for control of the border. We're being extorted. We are not permitted to control our own border, unless we offer a tribute. If we don't stem the influx soon, it's over, amnesty or no amnesty.
Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 08:47 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 09, 2012 08:48 AM (ZPrif)
I'd rather the GOP House just abstain or vote present. Just get out of the way and completely avoid any way to take the blame for the impending fires.
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 08:48 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 08:48 AM (r2PLg)
My God, maybe the Paulbots are the most f*cking right out of any of us. Why did I fight for these people/donate to them? WHY?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 09, 2012 08:48 AM (QEzSf)
Posted by: Pyro Pete at November 09, 2012 08:48 AM (gC30A)
no matter what we do, we wont get credit for it. We could nominate a gay, hispanic who performs abortions and fights climate change on the weekend. That candidate would still be portrayed as a hater.
Until we have influence in the MFM and until we have influence in the classrooms, it doesnt matter what policies we have. There were about 90 minutes this election season where our candidate got to put his message across without the MFM filter. Denver. Popularity skyrocket. Kill the messenger.
Posted by: California Red at November 09, 2012 08:48 AM (icSBv)
you finally get what happened this week.
Congrats now embrace it and tell me what needs to happen next.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 08:48 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 09, 2012 08:48 AM (Nfpnr)
Posted by: Cricket at November 09, 2012 08:48 AM (DrC22)
If we're ever going to have a home of liberty again, immigration is one thing we can't give up on.
This is not a comprehensive list, but here are some reasons for this:
1) National Sovereignty- a country that does not control its own borders is not a country.
2) Cultural Homogeneity- as long as the US insisted on assimilation (more or less) we were fine. It wasn't until we became "a mixing bowl" instead of "a melting pot" that things really started going off the rails. Open borders and amnesty would ruin any chance of a homogenous culture- which means the North American Continent because the new Balkans.
3) Re-Conquista- this is a stated goal of groups like (and including) La Raza. When the US collapses, they'll move in to reintegrate us with Mexico (at least the South West). There's no reason to give them a leg up on that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (/eBe8)
Posted by: BuckIV at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (gedHR)
Posted by: MoKim at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (kprEX)
Posted by: maddogg at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Mr pink at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (Zzyhu)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (P7hip)
Posted by: Yoda (needs govt funding) at November 09, 2012 12:45 PM (PHb2k)
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This.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 09, 2012 12:47 PM (jucos)
TO THE LAST MAN STANDING!
ON YOUR MARKS!
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (ovpNn)
You know what focusing a laser on something can do? You guessed it...Fire!
Posted by: jakeman at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (96M6e)
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I presumed that went without saying.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 12:47 PM (VtjlW)
*does SMOD dance and ruins it for everyone*
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (da5Wo)
I'd rather the GOP House just abstain or vote present. Just get out of the way and completely avoid any way to take the blame for the impending fires.
_____________________________________
I've been giving this a lot of consideration during the last few days.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 09, 2012 08:50 AM (Nfpnr)
And Now Cubans, Too: Cubans voted 49% for Obama in Florida.[/i
Everyone who remembers CastroÂ’s Marxist tyranny is dying off.
Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 08:50 AM (9KqcB)
Then who are those guys chasing me down in the Home Depot parking lot?
Go there in a pickup and it's like flies on shit.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 09, 2012 08:50 AM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: Whiskey_Joe at November 09, 2012 08:50 AM (Qzw1H)
Hector prowls the illegal allien smuggling routes giving five dollar blowjobs so its in his own financial interest to promote open borders
Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 08:50 AM (AW9md)
Here's an idea for amnesty...
Let's let every Mexican move to the U.S. and have immediate citizenship. In exchange, the conservatives get Mexico. We all move there and transform it into a free market mecca.
What country do you think would look more attractive in 10 years?
Posted by: jwest at November 09, 2012 08:50 AM (ZDsRL)
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 09, 2012 08:50 AM (KjYBZ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 09, 2012 08:50 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2012 08:50 AM (MLHfc)
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 09, 2012 08:50 AM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 09, 2012 08:50 AM (vd7A8)
Posted by: baldilocks at November 09, 2012 08:50 AM (Su0W2)
Millions and millions of White voters, 3 million of whom voted for Juan, refused to vote for Mitt.
Hector the sh*tbag troll babbles about The Votes Not Taken in four states. What about the millions of White voters not reached in every states?????/
Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 09, 2012 08:51 AM (Dll6b)
The Media must be destroyed.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 09, 2012 08:51 AM (P7hip)
Over the spoils after we go full Zimbabwe? Or will the rift in their coalition keep us merely Greece?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 08:51 AM (/kI1Q)
My people kill Muslims for fun. Read the history of Serbia and get back to me.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 08:51 AM (CX71c)
$200 would barely cover the cost of the extra ammo you'd need to defend yourself.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 09, 2012 08:51 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: izoneguy at November 09, 2012 08:51 AM (oKH8p)
I remember when Bill Richardson justified giving illegals drivers licenses because then they would surely buy liability insurance. A lot of them did. A full week's worth.
Posted by: huerfano at November 09, 2012 08:51 AM (bAGA/)
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The only problem with this? We can't limit any move to "the Hispanics Cricket sees every day."
Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 09, 2012 08:51 AM (Nfpnr)
We are in an Unconstitutional state of being. The Constitution currently means nothing. The Law (such as it is) means less than nothing. Seriously, why let them constrain you?
This mess ain't gonna be fixed by Constitutional means.
Posted by: Jaws at November 09, 2012 08:51 AM (4I3Uo)
And if the Democrats say started to get "tough" on the border, I bet the Latino wouldn't even change.
I love the fact that Republicans got 1 out of 2 Cubans, where deportation and amnesty is not an issue and they came from a Communist country. They still only care about the free shit.
Posted by: McAdams at November 09, 2012 08:51 AM (CA2pt)
Posted by: maddogg at November 09, 2012 08:51 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2012 08:52 AM (MLHfc)
Dream on about missing White voters. Many of those beloved whites are trailer park trash who drink jack Daniels all day and collect welfare.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 08:52 AM (CX71c)
How much longer will the GOP remain the only politcal group not permitted to appeal directly to its ethnic voting base?
That selective ban can't last forever right?
Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 08:52 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: The GOP at November 09, 2012 08:52 AM (QEzSf)
No. I don't think blanket amnesty is the answer. But what do we do with 50 million people who are growing exponentially and are being brainwashed into voting for democrats ?
Posted by: runner at November 09, 2012 08:52 AM (WR5xI)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 09, 2012 12:46 PM (Qxdfp)
That's why the news was kept secret.
We have special technology that can detect skid marks in the sky.
Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 08:52 AM (Qxe/p)
only if the Seminoles can have tanks
Posted by: Gerry at November 09, 2012 08:52 AM (T4SG9)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 09, 2012 08:53 AM (jucos)
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 12:52 PM (CX71c)
Don't you talk about my mother you cocksucker!
Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 08:53 AM (WEWGu)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 09, 2012 08:53 AM (ZPrif)
Dream on about missing White voters. Many of those beloved whites are trailer park trash who drink jack Daniels all day and collect welfare.
Hector discusses his heritage.......
Posted by: maddogg at November 09, 2012 08:53 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: osu at November 09, 2012 08:53 AM (xR46S)
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 12:52 PM (CX71c)
Hector the confused Slav reveals himself: All trolls are Average Joe
Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 09, 2012 08:53 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2012 08:53 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Hector the Racist at November 09, 2012 08:54 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 08:54 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Hector of Troy at November 09, 2012 08:54 AM (/YJYi)
Keep think Cubans voted for hand outs. It's the GOP's hostility towards their Mexican cousin that turned them off. Asians also hate the GOP. Keep up with the Nativist garbage.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 08:54 AM (CX71c)
1.) Legalize millions of undocumented Democrats.
2.) Alienate a large portion of their base.
3.) ???
Victory!!!
Posted by: Adam Smith at November 09, 2012 08:54 AM (PEwU1)
Nah, just you. I'd have a minimum IQ requirement that you clearly couldn't meet.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 09, 2012 08:54 AM (SY2Kh)
who actually passed welfare reform in 94?
Who gets credit?
If the GOP wants to play nice, they might get a kiss on the cheek, but they are still going to get fucked. This goes for fiscal cliff, immigration reform, taxes, etc.
Its the media stupid. Every single argument is framed in a way that demonizes conservative principles and lionizes progressive views.
Posted by: California Red at November 09, 2012 08:54 AM (icSBv)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 08:54 AM (evdj2)
- Hispanics will never change, and will always vote Democrat
- Hispanics changed their minds on gay marriage
Um, seems to me like they are in fact persuadable. The problem is the GOP being unable to persuade them. Or, frankly, anybody.
But by all means, carry on with the alligators in the moats talk...
Posted by: sandy burger at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (KDek4)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (r2PLg)
My seat in the Coliseum is rather hard though, so from now on I'm going to bring a pillow.
By the way, where's my fucking bread, Obama?
Posted by: tubal at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (BoE3Z)
This would be such a mistake for the Republicans to do. I've been a Democrat all my life, and I'm black...but I gravitated towards the party recently because all of a sudden the conservative policies made sense to me. They didn't have to reach out to me or talk to me like old southern preachers or offer me goodies. I came for the policies. And, I think that's the way you get others. Really push the policies.
Plus, no matter what the Republicans do, Democrats and the media will still demonize them in the next election and make them out to be the bad guys.
Posted by: sydney jane at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (t6l3d)
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I have thought that for years. Believing gov't figures? Oh yeah, I have trust that they wouldn't fudge the numbers to keep from freaking out the American people. They're so trustworthy and all. 20 million, 60 million....once amnesty is granted, the number will be moot. It will be millions and millions of dem voters. That post above what shows amnesty's effects on CA from '86 on is quite an eye opener.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (lTVJy)
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (x0g8a)
Posted by: The GOP at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (QEzSf)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (VtjlW)
No Fox News, though. No Shep Smith or Greta. Super Bummer.....
Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: DCPensFan at November 09, 2012 08:56 AM (ma/2m)
Posted by: longerthoughts at November 09, 2012 08:56 AM (CVVLU)
The SW Hispanic areas NEVER have.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 08:56 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 09, 2012 08:56 AM (8EBWh)
I have no idea where the notion that anyone is naturally conservative comes from.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 08:56 AM (/eBe8)
I'm going to keep hammering this nail: let the states break up. If California wants illegals, they can have them. Prevent illegals from working in Tennessee, and they will stay out of Tennessee.
I get it that no one believes in seccession because it worked so well last time. How about a peaceful seccession this time? Get your states to stand up to the Federal government the way Arizona did. The Feds are running out of money and power. They won't be able to fight back soon.
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 09, 2012 08:56 AM (Rwrs+)
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That was me yesterday and it was great. Today I think the fucking world has lost its mind, although not really because there are plenty of shellshocked, pissed off people, so I'm mad that a group of idiots are causing destruction not only through Obama but through the GOP's inane over-reaction.
I'm not even sure who the idiots are. Not convinced yet the election wasn't stolen through fraud, in which case I'm mad at the fraudsters and Romney and the GOP for not insisting on a thorough review of voting data and irregularities. If it was people who sat out (which I just can't believe yet), I'm mad at them. I need to know who to be mad at, aside from Obama and O voters which is a given.
My secret dream? There was massive fraud, someone in a position to find out discovers it, there's an investigation, Obama is canned and Romney is sworn in come January. Pipe dream, but I'll feel better once I'm convinced there is no possibility the commies stole the election.
I liked yesterday better. And that day started the possibility someone was trying to break into my house while I was in the shower.
Posted by: Mayday at November 09, 2012 08:56 AM (F3s39)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 08:56 AM (r2PLg)
Of course, we'll just have to see what the damage is by then and if there is anything worth salvaging. I think we can limit the damage to a great extent if the House grows some balls. (I know, wishful thinking).
Posted by: USNA1985 at November 09, 2012 08:56 AM (kf3LW)
You are making too much sense for these people. White Catholics once were Dems. Nixon reached out to them and they are now a swing vote. The South was Democratic, now its Republican. When you make a serious outreach it does pay off. But we are dealing with people who live in a bubble here.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 08:56 AM (CX71c)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 08:57 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: DCPensFan at November 09, 2012 12:56 PM (ma/2m)
You'll still be racists, just not racists racists.
Posted by: Hector of Troy AKA Whoopi at November 09, 2012 08:57 AM (/YJYi)
the Odd Truth is that the Republicans were not White Enough this election Millions and millions of White voters, 3 million of whom voted for Juan, refused to vote for Mitt.
So, if we can't get the Hispanics already here to vote for us, and we can't keep millions more Democrat voters from coming here, are we permitted to take a page from the Left and goose our white numbers? Direct appeals to racial solidarity? Have we reached that point? Or do we just go quietly into the good night out of priciple?
Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 08:57 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: ORCA at November 09, 2012 08:57 AM (b+jI9)
No fucking words.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 08:57 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (r2PLg)
The Hispanics I see every day are indeed hard-working,
family-oriented, and either Catholic or Evangelical.
Thats where we are making the big mistake,we see that and think that they should be Republicans because we have the western european view of big government socialism. latin american socialism and social justice theology grew out of the catholic church
Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (AW9md)
Posted by: maddogg at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (OlN4e)
2. ???
3. Conservative dominance for decades!
Here's my unconvinced face.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (W0gfD)
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Hector the Racist at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Fritz at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (/ZZCn)
>> I have no idea where the notion that anyone is naturally conservative comes from.
Indeed.
The case must be made, forcefully and eloquently, over and over again. Good grief, Paul Ryan and Newt F'n Gingrich are the only Republicans I can think of who even come close. Maybe Rubio, but I don't know.
Amnesty gets us nothing.
But we cannot be the anti-Hispanic party. This is how they see us. It must be changed, and Amnesty won't do it. Again, I would not show this website to my own relatives, Ace. That's a sobering thought.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (KDek4)
- Hispanics will never change, and will always vote Democrat
- Hispanics changed their minds on gay marriage
Um, seems to me like they are in fact persuadable. The problem is the GOP being unable to persuade them. Or, frankly, anybody.
But by all means, carry on with the alligators in the moats talk...
__________________________________
It seems to me like the persuasion goes one way, and people might be more receptive to it from the Free Shit party.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 09, 2012 08:59 AM (Nfpnr)
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Kinda hard to persuade people when the near full force of the MFM is hitting you like a freight train. Kinda hard to persuade a certain ethnic group when political representatives of those groups are called traitors, Uncle Toms, and the latest, "window dressing for the GOP." Yeah, we have a fair chance.....
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 08:59 AM (lTVJy)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 08:59 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 08:59 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2012 08:59 AM (LCRYB)
Look up the constituency of Marcy Kaptur OH-09 (D).
Shorter: There are no conservatives, anywhere in the world. It's just us.
Posted by: comatus at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (qaVK+)
Hispanics aren't monolithic. The only ones that are conservative are Cubans because they've lived under communism and have the scars to prove it. Besides, you can't give a group limited rights because they'll keep wanting more and screaming about how oppressed they are until they get it, meaning that Hispanics will settle for nothing less than full citizenship with voting rights and benefits that they didn't contribute to.
Posted by: Lurker who doesn't give a sh*t anymore at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (tl7W6)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (UZJrF)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (evdj2)
If they live, they'll thank me for this later.
Posted by: Mike Bloomberg, Doing All The Thinking So You Won't Have To at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (QKKT0)
We prefer Old Crow to that fancy stuff.
Posted by: T.P. Trash at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: The GOP at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (QEzSf)
"So Serbs are not White now? I am glad my people fought you Nazi scum."
Cripes, Hector. Do we really need to explain the Natioal Socialist Workers Party thing to you again? Do we sound like fucking socialists to you? Can you understand anything?
Fucking idiots.
Posted by: Jaws at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Hey_Ange at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (O6Na9)
But by all means, carry on with the alligators in the moats talk...
By all means, spell out how rather than just bitching about how all the meanies vocally opposed to illegal immigration and amnesty are the problem.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (SY2Kh)
During the 2008 election I thought people were just joking about paid trolls. I really do think it is a reality now.
Posted by: osu
Never attribute to remuneration that which can be adequately explained by autism.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (kdS6q)
We'll be lucky if it ever gets as good as it was in the 1930s.
Note bene: amnesty, legitimizing a large block of permanent, Dem-voting takers, will do nothing except guarantee the inability of the GOP to win a national election for the next eighty years. Period. This is inarguable.
Trying to compete by sacrificing our core principles in order to pander to numbers wins nothing; even if we were to win an election that way, we get NOTHING. The Dems have realized that ( A ) giving away loads of free stuff and ( B ) conduction massive voting irregularities adds up to a winning strategy. The only way to restore America by political means is to take away from Washington its ability to give away free stuff. Defund and defang the Federal government.
That will not happen by political means. When the majority of voters is now comprised of takers who have the ability to vote for more free stuff, paid for by the productive class, we cannot win an election. The new majority will not surrender its right to free stuff just because we tell them the system will collapse otherwise - not until after it actually happens.
The only solution is to withhold. Let the system crash and burn. Let Cloward-Piven run its course. When the EBT cards run dry and there's no one left to refill them, the panic will start. We have to insulate our wallets from them - minimize what they can tax away from us. Whatever you want to call it - going Galt, making less, the gray market, letting it burn - is the only way this ever gets fixed. If that means civil disobedience, or the fourth box, or secession, we're exactly where this country was in 1773, only this time, it's not George III and the redcoats we're facing; it's Those Who Are No Longer Our Countrymen. It's our own, internal, mooching and looting new majority, enabled by an illegitimate and corrupt governing class.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (Jdtsu)
Posted by: El Kabong at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (YSkOI)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (1zwZo)
The democrats keep hispanics locked up on plantations just like they have done with blacks for decades. They are immobile, all they have is the welfare check, crime, bad schools, bad cops and poverty.
It's almost impossible to reach them. The few that escape become just like everyone else, some are republicans some are democrats. The ones on the plantation which are the vast majority vote for democrats. You aren't going to win them over by getting into a bidding war with democrats.
The only way they will change is if they escape and since the poor like to vote democrat why wouldn't the democrats want more poor?
Posted by: robtr at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (rTgOf)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (l3vZN)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (0UP8T)
The Republican Party is dedicated to small government, national defense, and following Constitutional principles. That is our major overriding concern. We welcome anybody from any ethnic group in the U.S. to join our Party. If you agree with our policy we will welcome you with open arms
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (YdQQY)
I am sincerely not the racist I have been demonized as and I assure you you are likely to be okay if you get that your hose gets cleaner quicker if you clean it than wish it clean or wait on the Feds to do so.
Granting them amnesty is what barry will do extra-legally anyway.
he already did it part way and got away with it.
The democrats do not care about their leaders following that dusty old rulebook.
Our nation died in 1968 when I was -4...
I have lived a lie for 40 years.
Let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (LRFds)
Fucking idiots.
Posted by: Jaws at November 09, 2012 01:00 PM (4I3Uo)
You want to put me in chainz in da death camps!!!
Posted by: Hector of Troy AKA Slo Joe Biden at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (/YJYi)
Posted by: madamex at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (+kvQd)
Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (8J5Ck)
not warriors for the Pope, or burning heretics lately.
Did someone mention the Spanish Inquisition? It was carried out by the government authorities in Spain ( hence the name ). Not the Vatican...
Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (Dll6b)
There are not enough pixels in the world to answer that.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 12:47 PM (VtjlW)
Every few minutes I was to ask, in an anguished/angry voice, "Why ____?!" Then I remember what you said.
Can the gators have lasers?
I presumed that went without saying.
I would prefer if there was a swarm of bees in the alligator's mouth. The bees would have lazers on their heads.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (X/+QT)
Ha Ha Ha Ha: Drew just emailed me to say the "more in favor of big government" statistic I wrote about came from a blog no one ever reads.
But I always read the comments.
Posted by: Andrew 'B" at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (V92KK)
Posted by: T.P. Trash
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Henry McKinna for me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_McKenna
20 bucks for 1.5l
Posted by: sTevo at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (rNbfG)
Posted by: The GOP at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (QEzSf)
What exactly are you embarrassed of and unwilling to share this website with Hispanics? I find that sentiment ridiculous. Over the years I've been coming here, the gist is...come here legally. Kinda like what the Mexican government might say to those trying to enter their country when they don't legally belong. I find your concerns without much merit.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (lTVJy)
Posted by: DCPensFan at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (ma/2m)
Now will you vote for us?
Posted by: The GOP at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (PEwU1)
Posted by: Jose at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (jucos)
My Grandfather was a Chetnik. He fought the Nazis in WWII. Read up on Serbia and educate yourself.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (p+4lN)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (r2PLg)
We tried that with Reagan.
I'm not a bigot I was a rules lawyer.
The rules being the US constitution and Locke and the founders.
The nation finally convinced me I am a stupid idiot asshole moron naive loser.
Time to move on dot org baby and try to rebuild when it falls.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:03 AM (LRFds)
Anyone know where I can find some illegals to dig a moat around Casa D'oh? I have a good source for gators.....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 09:03 AM (UOM48)
Call Boner's office and tell him Republicans will not get credit if they pass amnesty under obama
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 09, 2012 09:03 AM (Nd1pa)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 09, 2012 09:03 AM (b+jI9)
The GOP needs to tap the breaks and not do anything crazy while we're still licking our wounds from Tuesday. Let's take some time to settle down and figure out what went wrong in 2012 before we make a bad decision after a bad day.
Posted by: bigpale at November 09, 2012 09:03 AM (TDbSH)
Posted by: Will Folks, esq ( hiding out in Costa Rica ) at November 09, 2012 09:04 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 09, 2012 09:04 AM (ZPrif)
if she doesn't hurry i'm calling her a liar .
so what's the deal with the GOP, do they also snort unicorn dust?
they don't realize illegals will also vote for free cheese? .
srsly, If you don't accept the knowledge we are falling over the cliff, That stuff really is free why wouldn't anyone?
The govt has instructed the population that recieving free stuff is decent and good , and if it;s not really free only rich will be hurt , or those that make a dollar more n hour then they do , or in fact might make 20 k less thna they do , but who cares., who cares it's free.
we know that business hires illegals , pays them barely substantive wages, and pass's on the housing , healthcare, section 8 and food stamps to american taxpayers. so they can actually survive.
if we were to look at amnesty srsly, if illegals from everywhere and anywhere have started famlies here, why aren't THEY coming with a proposition as a group that makes sense for the host country?
what about fidelty to america only? what about legal/documented promise to not be on the dole and self provide as immigrants before them have?
Posted by: willow at November 09, 2012 09:04 AM (hX8cq)
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2012 09:04 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: SoCalNation at November 09, 2012 09:04 AM (3YN0H)
And how do you suggest that change? Because, you see, despite what you and Hector seem to believe, we're not the anti-Hsipanic party. We're the anti-illegal immigration party.
To conflate the two is to subscribe to the same school of thought that says, since there are a "disproportionate" number of poor, urban blacks who are convicted of crimes, and Republicans are the anti-criminal party, that Republicans are anti-black.
Neither is true. We are against people breaking the law. It's hardly our fault that the people most seen (whether or not they're actually the ones who do it the most) as braking the law are poor, urban blacks and (on immigration) Hispanics.
Now the fact is that I agree- we have to change that perception. But how do we do that without ceasing to be the anti-illegal immigration, and anti-crime parties?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 09:04 AM (/eBe8)
the cuban,central and south american hispanics that migrated here in the 70's and 80's were the conservative ones escaping the violent leftwing movements of the time.todays hispanics are not conservative
Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 09:04 AM (AW9md)
No fucking words.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 12:57 PM (UOM4
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As it looks now, this may be our only hope. Not getting the GOP to get it's act together, or do the right thing. Just to look nominally better than its insanely ideological incompetent opponents.
Is Bloomberg trying to incite riots, more looting and mass suffering? Trying to create a crisis not to be wasted?
Posted by: Mayday at November 09, 2012 09:05 AM (F3s39)
Maybe someone should look into that. Perhaps myself, out of a sense of duty to my fellow freedom loving Ameri....oops forgot never mind, it's probably what they want to do anyway.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 09:05 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Whiskey_Joe at November 09, 2012 09:05 AM (Qzw1H)
Posted by: teebone at November 09, 2012 09:05 AM (YtLSL)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 09, 2012 09:05 AM (ZPrif)
>> What exactly are you embarrassed of and unwilling to share this website with Hispanics?
It's about tone. If you can't see how "Juan McCain" is repellent to Hispanics, I can't explain it to you.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 09, 2012 09:05 AM (KDek4)
Many hellos in America;
Nobody knows in America
Puerto Rico's in America!
Posted by: Hoochie Koochie! at November 09, 2012 09:05 AM (rzTDZ)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 09:05 AM (r2PLg)
Path to citizenship? Sure. But not without border enforcement to stem the tide, not without payment of some service or monetary penalty, not without a sunset provision, and not without voter ID in place.
Posted by: Flounder at November 09, 2012 09:06 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 09:06 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Beagle at November 09, 2012 09:06 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: RizzyG at November 09, 2012 09:06 AM (FzyEN)
Can you figure out how to dig a moat? I've got a job for you at our house.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 09:06 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: A-Hole at November 09, 2012 09:06 AM (YpE0D)
That selective ban can't last forever right?
Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 12:52 PM (9KqcB)"
The GOP doesn't actually have an "ethnic voting base", it has an "idea-centric voting base", with "America" as the idea. It's the Left that has brainwashed a good part of the population that that "idea" is actually a "dog whistle", as if the ideas of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are ethnic.
Dems will shout you down vociferously for claiming there is evidence of differences in intelligence among races, but they get a pass for saying that certain "ideas" are "white" ideas? Is there a "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" gene that only white people have? That seems FAR more dubious than the genetic evidence for differences in intelligence, yet Dems have no problem denying they exist.
Posted by: BS Inc. at November 09, 2012 09:07 AM (P2Ufm)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 09, 2012 09:07 AM (ZPrif)
Didn't go back to the original reference so this may be OT but.
Tuberculosis is on the rise at least partially due to the nature of illegal immigration. Eilis Island used to try to this kind of thing.
Take a look at this map from the CDC.
http://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/factsheets/statistics/TBTrends.htm
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 09, 2012 09:07 AM (tf9Ne)
Accusations against Republicans have only an abstract meaning. The election is over.
Posted by: tubal at November 09, 2012 09:07 AM (BoE3Z)
>>I don't know what the reference to "diseases" means.
Illegal Aliens have been re-introducing diseases that have long since been eradicated.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2012 09:07 AM (MLHfc)
Amnesty will be the death of the R party. The fuckin end. I won't vote for Vichy America. Fuck the Rs to death if they sign off on this.
A government who won't defend the God damned borders from an invasion ain't worth the salt in my tears.
Posted by: Invictus at November 09, 2012 09:07 AM (OQpzc)
People forget Europeans carried diseases when they immigrated here. I am glad you are a sane commentator. If I have ever insulted you, I apologize.
Republicans like us need to push back against the Nativists. We need to take our party back front this Nazi element.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:07 AM (6Lik1)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: rickb223 Deacon in ghe church of Let It Burn at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (QxStH)
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2012 12:46 PM (MLHfc)
Don't forget the bed bugs.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (6BgmB)
Posted by: maddogg at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (OlN4e)
Reagan won too despite the MFM.
And to the MM bashers, I have never seen MM say a single racist thing in word or print.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (YdQQY)
It's not just Hispanics sneaking across. The rumors of Qurans found in the desert are true.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (ZPrif)
It makes women think you're racist, because the TV says it means you're racist.
GOP minority outreach doesn't work (and can't), and the Party people have to know that (don't they?), so they must think it'll work as backdoor female-voter outreach. Because if they go left of the Dems on what TV says is racist stuff, the TV can't say they're racist anymore (can they?).
And then women will like them.
Cunning plan, etc.
Posted by: oblig. at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (cePv8)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 09:09 AM (xHZCD)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 09:09 AM (X3lox)
>> Now the fact is that I agree- we have to change that perception.
YES. That's my point. My point is, it's not about Amnesty. It's a perception issue, the Democrats are kicking are ass on, and we keep stepping in it.
>> But how do we do that without ceasing to be the anti-illegal immigration, and anti-crime parties?
By making the case of what we're for, and how it benefits them. I don't know, exactly. By having somebody who can speak actually explain our ideas to people. Stuff like that.
Really, I don't know. It's a very hard problem. But we're not gonna solve it with Amnesty, that's for sure, and we're not gonna solve it by playing into Democrat stereotypes either, which is pretty much what we do.
Democrats brand us as anti-Hispanic, and rather than fight back, we play the part.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 09, 2012 09:09 AM (KDek4)
Bullcrap. What about the Muslims here legally in Dearborn Michigan? I bet you are OK with that.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:09 AM (6Lik1)
Agreed.Posted by: KG at November 09, 2012 09:09 AM (p7BzH)
Posted by: Hopeless at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (SeqiN)
Sandy Berger: joking about moats and alligators offends you, but somehow the Democrat party can get 30-40% of the white vote when one of the President's own picks says "all white people are going to hell."
How do we survive when our side has to fight in handcuffs?
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (Rwrs+)
Will there be at least hawt underwear models who hate wearing tops?
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Hector's Always Sunny Shine box. at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (ZPrif)
Hector
you know what the irish immigrants did when they got here during the wave of the 1850's and 60's they joined the union army and fought with heroism
Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (AW9md)
The America you're defending is a movie.
My home state let the margin of fraud elect barry choom.
The GOP Sec State on down.
Fuck ohio let it burn too.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (LRFds)
How about all the Indian/Pakistanis here illegally? The legal ones all voted for Obama as well.
If they are not here illegally, then our immigration laws are way too lax. There's so many of them here in the far west burbs of Chicagoland (formerly solidly Republican) that they regularly show Bollywood movies in the local cineplex. Last time my wife and I were eating at California Pizza Kitchen, we were the only non-asians in there.. all Indian/Pakistani (I can't tell the diff)
And then there's the eastern Europeans..
Amnesty will fuck up this country.. Anyone wanna guess what Obamacare will cost us when we add 30 million subsidized souls to the ranks of the "takers"?
"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it." - Admiral Josh Painter
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (f9c2L)
OMG La Raza, I am so scared hide!
You Nativists love La Raza. You use it as a boogeyman to get Conservatives to hate Hispanics. I bet you Nativists fun la Raza.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (6Lik1)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (r2PLg)
If I had any hope at all for the future, this is it. Some kind of succession. Conservative/red states divorcing themselves from the federal leviathan. It would take a lot of ballz to start that conversation, and, well, America seems to have lost hers somewhere along the way.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (lTVJy)
Posted by: The GOP at November 09, 2012 09:11 AM (PEwU1)
Listen to what the losing party is saying today.
No... it wasn't stolen. They're a bunch of f*cking asshole morons. I'm tempted to say they deserved to lose. We don't. But they do. Maybe the American people aren't as stupid as we think.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 09, 2012 09:11 AM (QEzSf)
hey guess what illegal immigration is wrong...
my ancestors were split up b/c some didn't just get to wander in...yes Juan pisses me off just by being here without rules.
Deal with it.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:11 AM (LRFds)
Bullcrap. What about the Muslims here legally in Dearborn Michigan? I bet you are OK with that.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 01:09 PM (6Lik1
You stupid nitwit. He's a fucking U.S. Border Patrol Agent. He's come under fire. He sees evidence EVERY.SINGLE.DAY of Muslims, Chinese, etc. coming across our borders.
You're a fucking idiot. Our son just spent the past year fighting the Taliban. Screw off.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 09:12 AM (UOM48)
No sympathy for them. They allowed him to change the rules and be elected again and again forever. They voted for JEF and every Democrat since FDR.
Sorry JJ you live in the wrong city. You need to move. Elections have consequences per John Roberts and the JEF.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:12 AM (YdQQY)
Many Hispanics join the U SArmy and fight with heroism. But Irish illegals are OK. Funny how at one time you Nativists used to say No Irish need apply. Now its lets put Spics in death camps.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:12 AM (6Lik1)
It was stolen barely but should have been a blow out.
That hurts worse.
I fucking hate the Ohio GOP more than the democrats.
We let fucking somalis tip Columbus for fuck's sakes.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:12 AM (LRFds)
Amnesty is coming via people born in the US while we fiddle.
The Leviathan is not going to be stopped.
We are going to have the same exact argument in 30 years, if there is a federal govt still left.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 09, 2012 09:13 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 09, 2012 09:13 AM (8J5Ck)
Posted by: baldilocks at November 09, 2012 09:13 AM (Su0W2)
At this point, I no longer care what happens up there.
Actually, this makes me laugh. Pretty hard.
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:13 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Caustic at November 09, 2012 09:13 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 09:13 AM (r2PLg)
Yes, immediately after we achieve World Peace and everybody gets their flying car.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 09, 2012 09:13 AM (SY2Kh)
Yeah sure, its so easy to come across the Mexican border. Did you know Canada is 3% Muslims. Why would they not come across from there?
Thought so!
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:13 AM (6Lik1)
Late to the party, but we shouldn't be trying to woo any one constituency away from the opposition. Wooing just means whispering sweet nothings in their ear and promising them the sun, moon and stars. Well, we can't do that, because the sun's been mortgaged to China, the EPA has its eye on the moon, and the stars are working on Muslim outreach with NASA. In short, we can't offer anyone MORE of anything, because there's no MORE to be offered.
What we have to do, and this is across the board, is start teaching people -- again -- that self-sufficiency and independence is better than the Nanny State. Show them why this is so, and don't let up on it. Don't get squishy. When you turn squishy, it just means it's easier for the enemy to squash you. We've compromised ourselves into the hard corner, and there's no room left to compromise anymore. We have to start reclaiming ground.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit[/i][/b][/u] at November 09, 2012 09:13 AM (4df7R)
But then again, I hoped (and thought) Obamacare wouldn't pass, that SCOTUS would kill it, and that Obama would be shown the door. Maybe I should move up my plan to start doing hard drugs when I turn 80 up a few decades.
Posted by: Mayday at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (F3s39)
Hey guy the American people just reelected barack Fucking Obama.....
Amnesty?
Why not?
Reparations?
great idea.
Hell let's make it illegal for whites to go to college.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (LRFds)
QED. Eh, I tried.
Hey ace, even my favorite right-wing blog (this) would be repellent to my own relatives.
Keep fucking that chicken.
As to the idea that we can't change minds, I'd like to see it tried first. I graduated college as a leftist, and slowly changed my mind because I was persuaded. If we don't persuade people, we lose. But yeah, keep bitching about how terrible "Juan" is.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (KDek4)
Posted by: El Kabong at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (YSkOI)
I am married to a Hispanic. These clowns think its a race!
Keep up the good fight, I have your back!
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (6Lik1)
Will there be at least hawt underwear models who hate wearing tops?
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 01:10 PM (GQ8sn)
No, you'll get Helen Thomas in a thong and like it.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (6BgmB)
You're an idiot.
Now get back under the stairs.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Ha Ha Ha, Just Kidding, Dummy, They Don't Give a **** About You at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (QEzSf)
Posted by: Vic
You need to explain why small government is good. Well, I don't mean to us, but to low-info/TV talk-show watching voters. Too many people think small government means calamity.
Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (dZ756)
Posted by: Hector's Brain at November 09, 2012 01:13 PM (PHb2k)
You're confused? What about all the crazy stuff he does to me!? You know how that makes me feel???
Posted by: Hector's Peen at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (/YJYi)
Posted by: teebone at November 09, 2012 01:05 PM (YtLSL)
Fuck no, not after Palin. Rubio
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (Nd1pa)
exactly just like I KNEW Obamaphone gal would tip Ohio hard red....
I don't know shit I don't know these people and I know i don't like them.
Let it burn.
You think you can vote yourself prosperity show me.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:15 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at November 09, 2012 09:15 AM (1zwZo)
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No, Hector. Bullcrap on you. You really have no invitation to speculate on another's personal feelings, just because you want to make them out to be the "bad guy." Doesn't work like that, try as you may. I would guess that nearly 100% of everyone here, myself included, would fully welcome...with huge open arms, anyone from any country provided they are here to become Americans and not here to break off into their own enclaves and shun everything this country stands for.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 09:15 AM (lTVJy)
Posted by: Huggy at November 09, 2012 09:15 AM (5BRt5)
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 01:10 PM (GQ8sn)
No, you'll get Helen Thomas in a thong and like it.
*vomits*
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:15 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Paladin at November 09, 2012 09:16 AM (lP8dE)
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2012 09:16 AM (FcR7P)
Walter Williams wrote "is it time to part company?" go read it it changed my mind.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:16 AM (LRFds)
Amnesty during a dem preezyness. They'd get all the credit. Choomboy and the MFM would make sure of that. Boehner and his boys aren't thinking this through too well. The fucking illegals have waited this long, they can wait a little longer.
And, yeah, I agree. Hispanics want free shit not responsibility. If it were up to me, I'd round them all up and dump them in the Rio Grand to watch them swim back to their shithole country.
Come in legally or you don't come it.
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 09:16 AM (xZZ44)
Will it still be considered amnesty if they pay a substantial fine and hundreds of miles of red tape then in a some time they can apply for citizenship. And if they do not do that they are still deported.
Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at November 09, 2012 09:16 AM (Ea64Y)
Posted by: Fritz at November 09, 2012 09:16 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 09:17 AM (r2PLg)
Hector,really thats what you're going with, Irish illegals? I'll go ahead and point out the mass waves of immigration in the mid 19th and early 20th centuries wasn't illegal they came over were duly processed and screened in boston, new york and philly.
Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 09:17 AM (AW9md)
no I don't care anymore.
I am demonized ecause I am an American who thinks leftoids are full of shit.
Why fight for "America?"
Let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:17 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 09, 2012 09:17 AM (Nd1pa)
My ancestors were from Ireland. Screw any illegals that want amnesty especially the Irish ones. Kiss my ass you racist bastard.
Posted by: bd at November 09, 2012 09:18 AM (PEwU1)
Posted by: Avi at November 09, 2012 09:18 AM (Gx3Fe)
Immigrant groups have always lived in enclaves. The one group we should not permit into America are Muslims. I don't get why Nativists hate Hispanics but love Muslims.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:18 AM (6Lik1)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 09, 2012 09:18 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 09, 2012 09:18 AM (QEzSf)
Who ISN'T going back are the La Raza divisions of the Free Shit Army.
Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 09:18 AM (wwsoB)
Seriously ... if this is the way to get citizenship, then why are we not smuggling in conservative refugees from other failed states?
We should really start.
Posted by: entropy at November 09, 2012 09:18 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: El Kabong at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (YSkOI)
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:16 PM (LRFds)
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Where? Website? Link?
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (xZZ44)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (r2PLg)
I challenge hector to try to sneak into the southern Mexican border....
they give a little more than a sandwich and a ride home.
Let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Neville72 at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (NSQNc)
The Chetnik movement adopted a policy of collaboration with regard to the Axis Powers
*cough*
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (XMaKL)
Posted by: Hector's Peen at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (/YJYi)
I bet you would be OK if it was illegal Irish we gave amnesty to? Spare me the hypocrisy.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (6Lik1)
Posted by: evanstonChris at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (dpbUy)
I just invested in some dehydrated food stores from Banquet King. Their 30 day bucket is the cheapest I could find when it comes to calories per dollar.
I also bought 41 pounds of beans for protein supplementation. This is in addition to the food in my extra freezer and all my canned stock.
I'll be adding to it over the course of the year.
Everyone should buy top of the line water filtration (mine is a Berkey), 1-2 months of extra food, a firearm and ammunition, an alternative cooking method w/fuel (cooking stove, etc), medicine, gold, silver, hard liquor, and other tradable, storable commodities BEFORE they invest another penny in entertainment, IRA accounts, or other things.
The time for talking is over. Be ready. It's the most important insurance you can buy.
Posted by: Warden at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (0DlnM)
Posted by: willow at November 09, 2012 09:20 AM (hX8cq)
Posted by: L, just L at November 09, 2012 09:20 AM (0PiQ4)
That was a smear put out by Tito and the Communists. I am glad to see you believe Marxist propaganda. My people have fought Nazis, Communists and Muslims.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:20 AM (6Lik1)
Posted by: Baldy at November 09, 2012 09:20 AM (opS9C)
We need to play racial politics. We need to make a sustained and full-frontal assault on Democrats as patronizing hispanics. We need to make the Democratic narrative unpalatable. Our support for immigration reform must be premised on making American stronger by bringing in people with a strong work ethic and traditional values. If we think we can't convince hispanic people on economic issues...only try to keep them out...that's not a winning formula. It's weakness. I think you agree, Ace, that the fading of the gay marriage issue ultimately benefits Republicans politically. The same is true on immigration. We need to own the issue. I'm afraid too many conservatives have painted themselves into a corner of nothing v amnesty.
Posted by: Crispian at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (uxW8g)
Posted by: Hector's Peen at November 09, 2012 01:19 PM (/YJYi)
LMAO. Srsly!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: teebone at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (YtLSL)
Keep up the good fight, I have your back!
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 01:14 PM (6Lik1)
Just because your blow up doll was made in Mexico doesn't mean you're married to a Hispanic
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (1Jaio)
>> Why all the hate for amnesty?
Because it's stupid. Because it doesn't solve any problems, but just kicks the can down the road. Because it undermines rule of law. Because it's unfair to people in line for legal immigration. Etc.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (KDek4)
Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (IlZPo)
Canada's laws are Pro Muslim. Saudi Arabia is the heart of evil in teh world. I don'rt care about Mexico's laws.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:22 AM (6Lik1)
http://tinyurl.com/yknxrxg
He and Milton friedman both saw the writing on the wall when the donks were threatening it back in 2000.
Secession is ONLY BAD when I want it.
When it was the donk underground and Kos it was "sensible response to neanderthals."
Read it.
It changed my mind.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:22 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: ET at November 09, 2012 09:22 AM (s72/N)
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:22 AM (YdQQY)
For Hispanics we should talk more nicely about legal immigration and offer nothing. We may peel-off a few percent with a nice face. But, we need to work on closing the border. Any action that results in increased Hispanic voters will present the Republican party with the choice of permanent minority status or a complete cave on its fundamental concern with big government.
I think we should look into what alienated Asians (who voted for Obama in higher percentages than Hispanics). First, what is included in Asians? Indo/Pak? Second, I do not get the sense that they are great consumers of gov't. largess. That makes me think that the fear the GOP for some reason. We need to understand that demographic better and see if they may be a more natural fit in our party. If it a matter of an irrational fear of Repubs as anti-immigrant perhaps there are ways to address that without compromising our fundamental beliefs.
Posted by: Brian at November 09, 2012 09:22 AM (Hd5n8)
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:23 AM (YdQQY)
You're an idiot. The sitting President just assaulted Catholic supposedly deeply held religious convictions and they still put him back in office. They aren't swing any longer.
As far as the south goes. We didn't reach out to the south. The south just realized the Dems they supported their whole lives were soundly against everything they believed.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 09:23 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 01:06 PM (6Lik1)
Not if in any way shape or form they are related to the Kennedys
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 09:23 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 09:23 AM (lTVJy)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 09:24 AM (X3lox)
Or was it the east?
Shit, I can't remember.
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:24 AM (GQ8sn)
I guess the German commanders praising the Chetniks fighting with them were also paid by Tito.
You monumentally-ignorant fuck.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 09, 2012 09:24 AM (XMaKL)
precisely....
and in all honesty my best answer to where likeminded self-reliant people will go is the cold north.
"Let it burn."
is really "stop fighting them and let them wreck it."
They are Ayn Rand's wreckers and they will not stop.
So don't stop them use them to get your freedom back.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:24 AM (LRFds)
Hispanics vote for Democrats for the same reason Blacks vote for Democrats - because they get more stuff from Democrats.
The only thing for Republicans to do now is force the sequestration through, and all ALL of the Bush tax cuts to expire. Let several million Obama voters start paying for the government they just voted for.
Amnesty? Never. That would be like Troy letting in more Greeks to fight the Greeks that were already in.....
Posted by: Chris at November 09, 2012 09:25 AM (/l7+K)
The Catholic vote was split. They are a swing voter. Thanks for playing!
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:25 AM (6Lik1)
Some "conservatives" are so prideful and self-righteous that they wanted Romney to lose and this country be destroyed just so they could say, "I told you so!" They also love to say that the GOP will eventually listen to them if they just keep refusing to participate. In my eyes, they are worse than liberals.
Posted by: 80sBaby at November 09, 2012 09:25 AM (YjDyJ)
Respectfully, no. And no.
Condoleeza is a fine person, but no politician, and in any event she's really not conservative at all.
Rubio does not strike me as executive material. I think he could serve us best in the Senate.
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 09, 2012 09:25 AM (IlZPo)
Posted by: NCKate at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (MsQkt)
Posted by: Jordan at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (jRfn3)
Yup...and I was dumb enough to try to carry Mitt across the line anyway.
"SuperCon" just lost one of his piggy banks.
I'm never donating again.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (dqGv3)
That was the Iron Guard traitors. Not Miholovic's group. The Nazis did try to claim Chetniks where with them to divide the resistance.
No wonder you are a Nativsist, you believe what Nazis say. I bet you would love to see Mexicans gassed.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (6Lik1)
You mean the screwheads who drove an economic boom to the dirt inside of a decade thanks to free shit syndrome. No they can get in line with the rest of the world who F*ked their own economy and opportunity for teh free shit.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 09:27 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: NCKate at November 09, 2012 01:26 PM (MsQkt)
Juan Epstein's mother?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 09:27 AM (1Jaio)
>> I think we should look into what alienated Asians
That is excellent advice.
You know, our last Republican president was not a dumb guy, but he was barely capable of putting together an intelligible sentence.
We are losing the idea war, badly. And lashing out at "Juan" for not understanding a message we've never really tried to explain to him isn't gonna get us anywhere. It's no mystery that nobody buys what we're selling.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 09, 2012 09:27 AM (KDek4)
A natural conservative is any person who is informed by multiple sources, who reads history, and who votes with the long term in mind rather than one who votes with the short term goal of filling their bellies-- meant literally and figuratively.
Such people are in the minority among every race, ethnic group and religion. That's life. Posted by: baldilocks at November 09, 2012 09:28 AM (Su0W2)
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2012 09:28 AM (FcR7P)
11, you're our guy, well at least I hope you'll be one of them, I hope the rest of you will be as well. We have been planning something for a long time, had it on the back burner. We were hoping we would have another 10 or 15 years before we had to really start moving on this, but its crunch time early. Project Exodus is going to take a lot of people and a lot of money, but we are going to try damn-it and I would rather die free then live a slave to the state. Anyone who takes that to heart and really thinks that way, let me know at dhebdaATliveDOTcom
Posted by: Dave in MA at November 09, 2012 09:29 AM (zsPnE)
It's been more than one election and barack Obama got more GIs killed per day than Bush.
I'm tired of my family being a prop for the democrats to destroy MY politicians and unmourned by the media and the code pinos when they hurt for donks.
This gun's retired.
The "best hardest working Americans" are mexicans.
John McCain told me.
I'll go work on being a Christian since I am not a good American.
Ask Bob Beckel.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:29 AM (LRFds)
I am an American first. And I'm not tribal like yourself, My loyalty is to this country, again, unlike yourself. Kiss my boney white ass racist!
Posted by: bd at November 09, 2012 09:29 AM (PEwU1)
The Republican party is for all Americans and we are the party of opportunity. There should be no room for Nativism nor Theocracy in it!
We will win!
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:29 AM (6Lik1)
Posted by: Motorhead at November 09, 2012 09:29 AM (fT6pk)
>> Hispanics vote for Democrats for the same reason Blacks vote for Democrats - because they get more stuff from Democrats.
Especially if by "stuff" you mean "high unemployment".
Posted by: sandy burger at November 09, 2012 09:29 AM (KDek4)
Posted by: angienc at November 09, 2012 09:30 AM (w3JGl)
Amen, I am the problem no problem.
I'll work, keep bees and rebuild grandma's pantry.
I'll die humble, unmourned and not loved by my nation.
Don't worry the feeling is mutual democrats.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:30 AM (LRFds)
Canada's laws are Pro Muslim. Saudi Arabia is the heart of evil in teh world. I don'rt care about Mexico's laws.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 01:22 PM (6Lik1)
fcol Hector, immigration laws are necessary.
should the laws have smoother entrance exams , perhaps so.
hector, if illegals want a srs path to american citizenship, why don't THEY themselves write a leter of recomendation for themsleves.
how about one of fidelity to the host nation , and legal promise to not burden the host nation with financial support, to honor the law
(that they've already broken btw, and that's WHY there is this argument btw the disdain for our laws and sovereignty in the first place) but let's pass that one
that they and their families will not become a burden in financial, health care, food stamps FINANCIAL BURDEN ), et (just like immigrants before them ) on their host nation, that they abstain from politics until hey become a legal citizen, you know sell it!
Posted by: willow at November 09, 2012 09:30 AM (hX8cq)
Wrong.
Collaboration was Chetnik policy, and had Mihailovic's (learn to spell, you dumb fuck) approval.
Deal with it.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 09, 2012 09:30 AM (XMaKL)
(*winky face connoting facetiousness*)
I would have loved the campaign commerical though:
Obama: Old and busted. Rubio: New hotness.
Posted by: Crispian at November 09, 2012 09:31 AM (uxW8g)
Posted by: El Kabong at November 09, 2012 09:31 AM (YSkOI)
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It has little to do with one election, you fool. Have you glanced at our country's checkbook lately? Have you listened to Harry's Reid in the last 24 hours? Have you noticed the push for amnesty already (you really have to put your thinking cap on and think that through)? Have you heard about all the crushing regulations that are going to leave the jobs market like the dozers left Rachel Corrie? Please, don't feel sad for me. I'll most assuredly be laughing when the red, hot poker of reality gets rammed up this country's rear end.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 09:32 AM (lTVJy)
So... not a natural conservative.
That whole "informed by multiple sources" thing? Doesn't happen by chance.
"Reads history?" Again, not by chance.
"Votes with the long term in mind...?" Not by chance.
Those things happen because of training and experience.
People also compartmentalize. I don't see how Catholics, Jews, or (for that matter) any other religious group can vote for Democrats- but they do in droves. Part of this is because they lack the training and discipline to see how these things all feed into each other.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 09:33 AM (/eBe8)
You know what the word "outreach" means in that context?
Absolutely nothing.
You might have saved yourself some typing and simply said "We should try to get more minority votes, but I have no idea how".
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 09, 2012 09:34 AM (SY2Kh)
I guess the survey was taken before the layoff notices went out, or the Free Shit Army is confident that Obullshit will forgive their loans and hand out Moar FREE SHIT
Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 09:34 AM (wwsoB)
Liar My Grandfatherw as there not your White trash Nazi ass. You are just pissed we killed Nazis. Want to discuss who saved the 500 American pilots? Thought so You Nazi scum.
Now I have to run off to go pick up my Hot Hispanic wife from work. I would love to see you White trash ass try to throw her in gas chambers. You will see what a Serb does to Nazi trash like you.
Inbred coward.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:35 AM (TVbdM)
Such people are in the minority among every race, ethnic group and religion. That's life.
Posted by: baldilocks at November 09, 2012 01:28 PM (Su0W2)
yep
Posted by: willow at November 09, 2012 09:35 AM (hX8cq)
Posted by: Neville72 at November 09, 2012 09:35 AM (NSQNc)
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2012 09:35 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 09:36 AM (xHZCD)
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Why is liberty and freedom not enough to offer?
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 09:36 AM (lTVJy)
"is it time to part company?"
This relocated yankee says "yes".
Sure, I'd like to keep the neme, the flag, our founding documents, the symbols of our heritage. But in the end, they're only things. It's the ideas and ideals that matter. What we have now is NOT what our forefathers wanted for us. What we have now would make King George blush - and we did it to ourselves.
Posted by: Jaws at November 09, 2012 09:36 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: KG at November 09, 2012 09:36 AM (p7BzH)
Yup we lost this nation when we did not kill the Bill Ayers types and gave them MY education's car keys.
I resisted because I was raised by WW2 people in part.
They won this nation and I am done working for them and wanting "better" since they'll steal it anyway.
I can be happy on very little and I am honestly tired of EBT users with better cars than me.
I won't take aid and I will die happy if I have books and my family's love and no hassle.
This gun's retired.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:36 AM (LRFds)
Inbred coward.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 01:35 PM (TVbdM)
So your wife works will your lazy ass sits at home. And I'll bet your hot Hispanic wife is probably a Chihuahua
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 09:37 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 09:37 AM (xHZCD)
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2012 09:37 AM (FcR7P)
---"If we mass-amnesty Hispanics, should we mass-amnesty Chinese? Asian Americans also vote against us, and they also would like come to America."
Mass amnesty is a proven failure. But we should absolutely have a different immigration policy vis a vis Mexico. Mexico poses a unique challenge. If China were on our southern border, I'd also want a different immigration policy. Cubans get favorable treatment. Given the rampant illegal immigration that occurs and our continued benefit from illegals working here, we need to legalize the immigration that is occurring in some reasonable way.
---"I'm curious about this notion. Where are you hearing a lot of "Ann Coulter-type rhetoric"? I suppose you mean it's borderline racist or at the very least demeaning."
I also think that complaint is overblown, but it almost doesn't matter. We need to own the argument so that we cannot be painted that way.
Posted by: Crispian at November 09, 2012 09:38 AM (uxW8g)
If barack Obama offered us the worst geographic state in the union with a port and charged us assumption of the National debt to keep the flag and our past I'd take it.
He wants something new and totally different and I want what we have and to be left alone.
We CANNOT coexist.
They say the pals are "entitled to their own state" well hey fuckhead i am sorely tempted to make you live up to that here assholes.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:38 AM (LRFds)
>>>No wonder you are a Nativsist, you believe what Nazis say. I bet you would love to see Mexicans gassed.
I bet you would love to see us gassed. You don't think we should be allowed to talk or more broadly be allowed to live. You see it's really easy to know what liberals are thinking. They tell you. Mainly by accusing you of thinking it. They dream of violence then accuse their opponents of doing the same.
I bet if the big trains came to haul away every Romney voter you know to shove them into an oven, you wouldn't lift a finger in protest. That's who you are. A liberal. A worshiper of death and violence.
Let me let you in on a little secret. Their is NOTHING WRONG WITH MEXICO. It's a great plot of land, and should by all rights have a humming economy almost as good as the US.
But they don't. Because they've got huge huge political problems. Problems I don't want to import. So I insist that every person that wants to immigrate from a country that has known issues go through a rigorous process of selection and naturalization; So I don't import someone else's political issues to heap on top of our own.
If you think that's racist you're an idiot who has apparently forgotten what the word race actually means.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 09:39 AM (0q2P7)
wife from work. I would love to see you White trash ass try to throw her
in gas chambers. You will see what a Serb does to Nazi trash like you.
He had to have his blow up doll cleaned. He's very protective.
Posted by: Hector's Peen at November 09, 2012 09:39 AM (/YJYi)
http://tinyurl.com/yknxrxg
He and Milton friedman both saw the writing on the wall when the donks were threatening it back in 2000.
Secession is ONLY BAD when I want it.
When it was the donk underground and Kos it was "sensible response to neanderthals."
Read it.
It changed my mind.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 01:22 PM (LRFds)
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This is excellent and written about the time I started thinking that this might be the best thing for this continent. I think people will really start thinking about this in about a year/year and a half. It's the only sensible thing to do, considering how utterly and absolutely this country has been polarized.
It would be really interesting also, to see which states would join a consitutional "new republic". There would be a few surprises, I bet.
Deep blues can be as communist as they want to be under an orderly split. Although, contrary to Mr. William's theory, I doubt very seriously that we'd become allies.
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 09:39 AM (xZZ44)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 01:33 PM (/eBe
They go to church and vote in exactly the same way and for exactly the same reason: to feel good about themselves.
"I went to church. I dropped a twenty in the plate. I said my hail mary's. I was in synagogue." "I voted for the poor. I voted for everyone to have healthcare. I voted for everyone to have a voice, not just the rich."
It makes them feel better about themselves, so fuck the long term rot it's causing.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 09:39 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 09:40 AM (X3lox)
Why have an INS at all?
To defend our Constitution?
Um you looked at the King?
Abolish the INS.
End the El Patrolero Bordero's assaults on the best Americans.
I'm done let 'em all in.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:41 AM (LRFds)
.........
I think that was actually Galadriel's line (when she refuses the ring from Frodo)..
But, point taken..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 09, 2012 09:41 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: baldilocks at November 09, 2012 09:41 AM (Su0W2)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 09:42 AM (xHZCD)
Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 09, 2012 09:42 AM (27tUc)
well i'm glad he loves his wife
if she ever tried leaving the loser he'd shoot her and the kids,trust me it happens all the time here in the hispanic community
Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 09:43 AM (AW9md)
Posted by: Silenus at November 09, 2012 09:43 AM (fEpBa)
Posted by: logprof at November 09, 2012 09:44 AM (jKE+Z)
Yup...and I was dumb enough to try to carry Mitt across the line anyway.
Regardless of Team Romney's mistakes, I will never be sorry for voting for Romney and Ryan. As for the people who sat this one out, they are going to learn the hard way that apathy in the face of evil is wrong.
Posted by: 80sBaby at November 09, 2012 09:46 AM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: baldilocks at November 09, 2012 09:48 AM (Su0W2)
Ma'am I am not angry at Mitt just saying I spent thr amount needed to finish paying off my car.
I wasted it because SUPERCon beat me not Mitt.
I am more conservative than Mitt but he is by far a better man than me and I was proud to vote for him.
I am going to go into the desert and work on being a better man than i am.
sven
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:48 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Carl at November 09, 2012 09:51 AM (OeUnr)
Posted by: Jaws at November 09, 2012 01:36 PM (4I3Uo)
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A new republic could retain everything our founding fathers left for us. The Constitution, the stars and stripes, everthing. As I said yesterday, I think more and more people are thinking along these lines but are afraid of speaking out for fear of being American heretics.
As I said yesterday, I'm going into the process of finding groups that support secession and will be writing to my governor and district reps.
Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 09:52 AM (xZZ44)
Don't confuse immigration enforcement with immigration policy.
We obviously need a coherent and enforceable policy.
But right now we do have rampant illegal immigration. And most of it is not "bad."
Right now the Republican Party's position is complacency. In part because we don't want to alienate hispanics, in part because enforcement of current laws is impractical, and in part because we don't want to alienate the base. It's a losing formula all around.
I've worked with immigrants of dubious legality and see it as less of an abstraction than perhaps you do. I see the guys who have been here for 5+ years on and off who speak only a few words of english. We can't reasonably deport all these people but they also have no incentive to integrate. We do benefit from immigrant workers. I knew one guy who fled Mexico after his wife was held for ransom. He had been a manager of some sort but in the US washed dishes. I don't know if he had legal status or not. But several years later, he spoke excellent english and was a manager at the restaurant.
They're not all banditos, amigo.
Posted by: Crispian at November 09, 2012 09:52 AM (uxW8g)
i really don't know how we can have this discussion without disenfranchising our neighbors.
i wish i were able to articulate
concerns without offending . i guess i can't.
Posted by: willow at November 09, 2012 09:53 AM (hX8cq)
I don't give a shit what they are anymore compadre.
Let 'em all in. INS is an outgrowth of the Progressivist State anyway.
Nation did just fine befor ehte INS and was freer than now anyway.
The USA of Washington is dead.
Bring 'em all in.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 09:54 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2012 09:55 AM (FcR7P)
As undeserving as the are, the GOP will benefit. When this happens, hopefully the tea party will make demands that steer them in the right direction. This might be the most realistic path for us. In the meantime, the GOP should attempt to neither help or hinder Obama. Actively helping him betrays our principles and will give no one a reason to turn to conservatism. Hindering them will dilute the pain and people must realize their suffering is caused by Dems.
It's already beginning, with the reports of impending layoffs and closings. Jacked up taxes starting Jan 1 and more Obamacare chaos will also be felt by many people.
Posted by: Mayday at November 09, 2012 09:55 AM (F3s39)
I'm sorry, sven. Don't know what else to say.
Posted by: 80sBaby at November 09, 2012 09:58 AM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: trickamsterdam at November 09, 2012 10:03 AM (uTBHY)
Posted by: baldilocks via iPad at November 09, 2012 10:03 AM (Su0W2)
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Correct.
434 It's not the worst thing in the world to be the part of the largest ethnic bloc.
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Not inherently, but it is if you consistently let your ethnic bloc be reduced absolutely and / or as a share of the population, be discriminated against (by affirmative action) and generally be reduced in wealth, power and prestige.
A functioning sectional party has to support its section, promote the opposite of the bad things that happen to a losing ethnic group, and get credit for that from its natural supporters.
To put it mildly, amnesty is inconsistent with this.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 10:04 AM (ApQpy)
country again."
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Yes x 100.
It's frustrating that the GOP and conservatives are all blindly firing in a circle rather than looking, hard, at the left. If the election was stolen, then the GOP is unnecessarily digging itself new, deeper holes for itself based on false premises. It is crucial that we investigate the 2012 election with a microscope before we start writing prescriptions for 2016 or even 2014. There is absolutely no downside to a thorough investigation. That the GOP is so quick to move on is counter-intuitive; they should want to look for evidence of fraud and I'm not sure what to make of their behavior (don't want to go tin foil, but their behavior is puzzling).
If there was systematic fraud, or enough in just 3 or 4 states, it could be responsible for O instead of R. We have a short window, until Obama is sworn in, to find out if the election was stolen. No harm done if we find out if was not.
And angienc is right, if we don't do anything now, we are giving up on fair elections. The left will know they can get away with more and more because nobody will do anything about it or even raise questions. Every indication, and there were many, pointed to a Romney win. We have known for years the left would do anything to keep the WH in 2012. It is inconceivable they did not employ fraud; we just don't know the extent, and the hows and wheres.
Frankly I thought Romney/GOP anticipated fraud better and had armies of lawyers ready. The lack of activity or even questioning is surprising. As was Romney's concession even when we knew military votes were suppressed, in Philly they kicked out GOP poll watchers, and voting machines were changing R votes to O. Maybe Romney was so stunned he wasn't thinking clearly?
Posted by: Mayday at November 09, 2012 10:14 AM (F3s39)
Posted by: trickamsterdam at November 09, 2012 10:18 AM (uTBHY)
No Barky all or nothing....why turn one American versus the other.
Fuck you.
Taxes are good asshat we'll let you raise as many as you want.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 10:19 AM (LRFds)
That's how it usually turns out in California prisons.
"One thing's for sure: we will drive them into the Dem camp en masse if..."
Ha ha ha, can't "drive" them to that place when they're mostly already there.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 09, 2012 10:22 AM (vd7A8)
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You can win a lot more often and better by not giving your opposition a huge new voting block with a 60-40% split in its favor.
And the split is likely to be worse anyway - in the region of 2/3 to 3/4 of new Hispanic votes going Democrat consistently.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 10:24 AM (ApQpy)
Posted by: gracepmc at November 09, 2012 10:25 AM (rznx3)
Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at November 09, 2012 10:40 AM (OY/SZ)
I can't argue with you, because the long pdf report of Edison-Mitofsky, the firm that conducted the 2004 National Exit Poll (NEP) is no longer available online. That is where it admitted that the larger figure was an error - or rather that is where I say it admitted that, as without the .pdf to show, I can't prove anything.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 10:48 AM (ApQpy)
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Sure. There are many wonderful Hispanic people.
And they will vote on average two-thirds to three-quarters Democrat, providing a massive liberal majority, in addition to other negatives.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 10:55 AM (ApQpy)
Well we need to change that! Yes???
Complaining is all well and good but we need to do something. Something aside from stopping hispanics from reproducing...
Posted by: Crispian at November 09, 2012 11:05 AM (uxW8g)
Posted by: Mazzuchelli at November 09, 2012 11:14 AM (zAZNI)
350 The GOP doesn't actually have an "ethnic voting base", it has an "idea-centric voting base", with "America" as the idea.
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There's a competing agenda promoted by the mass media, academia and so on, and its bottom line is anti-White. It's everybody versus Whitey, or if we're being even more specific, against straight White men.
Among Whites, a strong majority prefer the idea "America" and a very important minority accept the anti-White complex of ideas. There are Whites who hate White people as much as any none-White. (Rev. Michael Pfleger, famously associated with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and the Trinity Baptist Church, is an example.)
Among non-Whites, a strong majority are receptive to anti-White ideas, and a minority prefer "America". Unlike with Whites, the anti-White idea does not conflict with collective, ethnic self-interest. And it pays. So even non-White groups with no obvious internal coherence or grievance against Whites, like "Asians" (who are actually doing better than Whites educationally and in career-building) are always likely to be drawn into the anti-White coalition.
This is immensely important for practical politics.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM (ApQpy)
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They get to choose their own opinions.
And I'm not interested to prevent anybody reproducing. I'm pro-life.
I just think that Whites, strongly threatened by anti-White policies, attitudes and mass media vilification, need to practice collective self-defense, demographically and for their culture and values, including democracy.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 11:23 AM (ApQpy)
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Lacking a specially modified silver DeLorean, everyone has to deal with Hispanic attitudes as they actually exist in the 21st Century.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 11:31 AM (ApQpy)
Posted by: Silenus at November 09, 2012 11:40 AM (fEpBa)
Ah, you're catching on. You can pander to as many "minorities" as you want by putting minorities on the party ticket (see recent black losers Allan West and Mia Love), but they will STILL vote Democrat, because to do anything other is to betray their race.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at November 09, 2012 11:40 AM (v2B2W)
Posted by: Elrond at November 09, 2012 01:26 PM (MLHfc)
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Consider Zimbabwe. It doesn't resemble the beautiful destination described by Gandalf the White.
Who will pay you, in what coin, where and when, to give up?
White people are feeling so whipped and beaten now, I feel like Ottway late in The Grey.
Don't just sit there. Let's walk on a little further together. That's all I ask.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 11:42 AM (ApQpy)
Posted by: Silenus at November 09, 2012 11:42 AM (fEpBa)
Posted by: trickamsterdam at November 09, 2012 11:45 AM (uTBHY)
That selective ban can't last forever right?
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Yes it can.
The race card will never expire or be maxed out.
It has to be challenged and cut up.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 11:51 AM (ApQpy)
Posted by: Silenus at November 09, 2012 11:57 AM (fEpBa)
I think the argument to "give it to them before they take it anyway and get mad at us for resisting" is weak.
I don't believe there is a reward for quitting. I think Democrats will vote Democrat because the are Democrat.
I don't believe there's a punishment for doing your best.
I think for Republicans to sell out their White base on this issue would be demoralizing.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 11:58 AM (ApQpy)
I cling to the naive idea that we can convince people. Since hispanics and blacks and gays are secluded in their "communities" we need to go through the gates of those communities and make an effort. We keep hoping they see how great our American-centric views are but the Democratic guards at the gate don't permit them to peek out much. Those communities don't understand that their community gates are actually prison bars. We need to appeal to minorities on their own terms. That doesn't mean adopting liberal policies.
Terrible idea to cluster behind our own gates. I understand your view quite well. I understand its genesis. Setting aside any moral objections, it is simply short-sighted.
Posted by: Crispian at November 09, 2012 11:58 AM (uxW8g)
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Because they continue to be different in the second and third generations, and actually in later generations.
And, they are not White. The practical, political significance of this is that they always have an offer on the table from the anti-White left to take up the hate-Whitey cause, realize they are oppressed, and get free stuff. History shows that that offer, constantly and artfully made, and backed by real free stuff, is effective.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 12:03 PM (ApQpy)
It's so bizarre to get fixated on "race" as if it's this insurmountable stumbling block between people. Sit down have some drinks with some Mexicans, and you'll find that they are fine folks, just as willing to work as you are, probably for less money and longer hours. In a generation, their kids will be marrying your kids and all this nonsense about how they will always be different is just trash. (Doesn't stop some people from saying the same things about Jews, who, DO have ethnic and religious practices that are distinct from American protestants... But are nonetheless good, respectable Americans just like everyone else).
What made the Irish "black" to the British, the Jews "scary" to WASPs, the Italians "dark" to everyone else was, in large part, the "white" groups willingness to accentuate the distinction with these foreign groups and stoke feelings of resentment and hate.
The reason Latinos break for progressive candidates is the same reason other groups do.... Conservatives have often argued that minority cultures degrade the dominant one. And if you come from one of these minority cultures.... why would you vote for someone that sees your presence as a problem? Think about it. Even if your sole aim is to assimilate and start a business and live like a capitalist, you still aren't going to struggle to be warm to people who see your accent as evidence of moral decay.
Posted by: hoo? at November 09, 2012 12:33 PM (vdTud)
Oh, that's right, they are fucking national socialists, right there on the surface.
Of course democrats see socialism like fish see water, so all they see are a proud ethnic people.
Posted by: Rmoney Voter at November 09, 2012 12:46 PM (JtyGg)
It's not the hatred that directed at them that dissuades Latinos from voting Republican.... it's the fact that Latinos are actually nazis.
Hmmmm..... food for thought. The kind of food for thought that gives you e. coli.
Posted by: hoo? at November 09, 2012 01:05 PM (vdTud)
Fraud stole it and now, lies based on the fraud (like we "lost" because we're anti-amnesty) threaten to change the GOP forever. We the grassroots must tell people that we not only didn't "lose" over amnesty, we didn't "lose" period! Ulterman's Report, Pundit Press, "ObamaFraud", and Lame Cherry. Read them!
If the RINOs/party leaders get their way and change the GOP based on these lies, they will run a LEFTIST in '16 (if there is a '16); it will be JEB; he's thick as thieves with Rove and party leaders and guess what? He's pro-AMNESTY. These party leaders are prepping us for JEB with these lies.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 09, 2012 01:13 PM (KL49F)
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Aslan's Girl, I've been making the same point too. I need the fraud to be proven (or disproven), because I too fear the GOP will do stupid things based on faulty intel.
Relatively few people seem to be considering fraud, which I consider to be an obvious thing to check before we start the circular firing squad which is well under way. If fraud is proven, and the result would be a Romney win otherwise, then for God's sake let's not let Obama get away with it. Seriously hope the GOP or Romney camp is investigating. Even if we find that it wasn't decisive in Obama's win, at least we (and the left) will know we aren't rolling over.
Posted by: Mayday at November 09, 2012 03:01 PM (F3s39)
"I went to church. I dropped a twenty in the plate. I said my hail mary's. I was in synagogue." "I voted for the poor. I voted for everyone to have healthcare. I voted for everyone to have a voice, not just the rich." It makes them feel better about themselves, so fuck the long term rot it's causing. Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 01:39 PM (da5Wo)
BCCohran, the church-going Catholics vote GOP(and it's been my experience that the people in the pews are frequently far more conservative than the old '60's era Vatican II priests.) So do Orthodox Jews. The problem is not the religious ones, it's the mainly secular, Christmas-and-Easter Catholics and the Jews who turn up at the synagogue once a year that are the problem
Posted by: Donna V. at November 09, 2012 03:45 PM (7OHl8)
But..but that's what they want!
Posted by: kevinw at November 09, 2012 04:25 PM (wrzBP)
It already does.
Posted by: kevinw at November 09, 2012 04:48 PM (wrzBP)
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No, and they know the difference. Brown Pride and Brown Power and La Raza are racial concepts. No White guy told Cain Velasquez to get a big Brown Pride tattoo on his chest.
579 What made the Irish "black" to the British, the Jews "scary" to WASPs, the Italians "dark" to everyone else was, in large part, the "white" groups willingness to accentuate the distinction with these foreign groups and stoke feelings of resentment and hate.
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No, that's an anti-White narrative that hides everybody else's contributions to conflicts and pretends that it was all about Whites inventing a false distinction to oppress people. So there are no real "whites" but they are still guilty of all racial conflict anyway. What a piece of sophistry.
The reason Latinos break for progressive candidates is the same reason other groups do.... Conservatives have often argued that minority cultures degrade the dominant one.
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No, they vote for Democrats because they are Democrats. These are their values; pro-big government and so on.
You are propagating a false narrative where everything is Whitey's fault, even though you also suggests with scare quotes that Whites don't exist. You are anti-White and you are not telling the truth.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 05:08 PM (U4eT/)
It already does.
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No, there is a huge difference between an implicitly White appeal and an explicitly White appeal, a direct appeal, which is what's needed.
An implicitly White appeal is when politicians rock up at places Whites like, such as NASCAR events, and they say vague things that imply they have a lot in common with the people there, but they never articulate Whites as a legitimate group with legitimate interests like any other, and they do nothing for Whites as Whites. It's all smiles and waves and no action.
A direct, explicitly White politics is when you openly say you are appealing to Whites, just as if you were talking to "the Black community" or some other group like that, and then you actually defend White interests. You oppose Affirmative Action, explicitly so that Whites can have as good a chance as anyone else to get a job they are qualified for. You don't pretend you only care about Blacks getting a false reputation for being over-promoted or whatever. You explicitly say you are doing this because it's good for White people to have fair employment rules, and then you follow through. And then you tell White people: 'I did this for you; vote for me,' in the same way that politicians tell Blacks or Jews or any legitimate group that their legitimate collective interests have been served and the politician wants to be rewarded with votes for that.
Only explicitly White politics can ever defend White interests when they are challenged, which in a multi-racial state with an active anti-White mass media and an anti-White party (the Democratic Party) they constantly are.
In reality, Whites do not receive the benefits of explicit identity politics, as other groups do; they are constantly attacked as a group but do not get defended as a group. This is bad for the Whites, and in the long run also bad for the party that gets 90% of its votes from the Whites, because when you let your supporters be driven down into the dirt, you go down after them.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 05:31 PM (U4eT/)
GOP: YOU'RE OLD, YOU'RE WHITE, YOU'RE HISTORY!
Do you think you can hide from the anti-White left that the Republican Party is the White Party, that this is all about race, and that the anti-Whites are winning? Good luck with that.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 05:40 PM (U4eT/)
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