December 14, 2012
— Ace Parents first.
He then went to Connecticut to kill a woman he was involved with somehow -- whether wife or ex-girlfriend -- and also to kill all the children near her.
I think we were just talking a few weeks ago about a certain form of intensely narcissistic psychopathy that spurs people to kill everyone close to them rather than just taking the gentleman's way out of suicide. (I don't mean to give a nod towards suicide but if the difference is between killing yourself and murdering your whole family for your failures and inadequacies, let's put in a good word for suicide.)
I've said this before but I think the media can help reduce these things from occurring. These nutters see themselves heroically, sort of as bigger-than-life agents of mayhem and evil. Now that may sound like a bad thing to you, but it doesn't sound bad to them: They've embraced it.
And what Evil is usually described as, in popular mythology, which these guys are not, is potent and capable. Yes, Evil is horrible, but these guys are embracing it for the Power of it. Because they are failures and hopelessly inadequate in their own lives, they contrive a fantasy in which they become Dark Heroes -- larger than life and big as death -- by murdering a lot of people.
Obviously we have a debased value system here. But it does seem to me that that one thing they value and cherish is their self-conception of the Big Scary Man, who you should Take Serious Notice Of because he's Scary and Capable of Anything.
And a lot of media coverage tends to play this angle up. And I don't mean to knock the press too badly on this -- evil sells, and these people are evil.
However, I think it would do at least something to dissuade the next potential mass murderer to know, for example, that coverage on him will not focus on the Evil Menace part of him (which is a self-conception he finds flattering), but the Sad, Lonely Pathetic Guy Who Has a Small Dick and Couldn't Keep a Woman or a Job and Just Couldn't Hack It part of him. The part that's actually much more relevant to his crime -- masterful men do not have to kill people to let the world know "I exist" -- and the party that he's actually afraid of other people knowing about.
If I were the media, I'd allow myself to get very personal in publishing accounts of these guys. Personal, and nasty.
And not only is this a bit of a public service, but, as I said, this is much more relevant to the actual reasons for his crime than this puffed-up faux-heroic claimed motivations. The maniac in Colorado did not shoot up a theater because of Batman, and to even say that credits his self-conception as true and puffs up his fantasy connection to Batman.
No, the maniac in Colorado shot up the theater because he was a pathetic weakling unloved by women and incapable of satisfying them and so retreated into a twisted babydick world of power fantasy.
Same thing with this guy.
I'm going to go against my political team, here-- although conservatives often say "Label evil as what it is, Evil, and leave therapy and psychology out of it," I'm going to say No, not in these instances. Because Evil (notice the capital letter E) is powerful in these sad losers' imaginations, and they want to be called the Big Scary Man, the Shadow That Menaces At Midnight.
For an impotent, weak, ineffectual man, that is an attractive fantasy.
What they do not want and could not abide is an accurate assessment of their psychology, their physical stature and shortcomings, their ability to succeed in work or school, their loser history with women, and so on.
To the average people, the idea of being called Evil is bracing and restraining. Not to these fellers. All of these bizarre murders are motivated, at root, by the psychology of utter failure. These are flop-sweat murders, sexual panic murders, too weak to carry on murders. Reporting them as such would not only provide at least as small disincentive to the Power Fantasy losers who commit them, but would actually be much, much closer to the truth than "Heavy Metal poisoned his mind."
No, being the runt who no one loved all his life poisoned his mind. Heavy Metal was just his escape from that. Or Batman, or video games, or Jared Laugher's Conspiracy By Manipulation of Grammar, etc. Promoting the Batman/Heavy Metal angle takes the lunatic's diagnosis of himself as credible.
It's not.
There's a Pink Floyd song that mentions a sentence of being exposed before your peers. Let's strip the Mystery away from these guys. The Mystery angle is both complimentary (in the only way it matters-- as they assess a compliment) and false. The thoughts of a loser gone lunatic are not particularly mysterious, and not very interesting; they're all basically the same, as FBI profilers can tell you.
So less of that.
These guys are Romanticizing murder and conceiving it as some sort of Blaze of Glory heroic Act III. Everything we do and say should refuse that romanticization. Where they seek to seem big, we should make them small (which, again, is actually on the mark as far as accurately). Where they wish to seem Potent -- capable of inflicting their will on the world -- we should strip them down to what they actually are, impotent in virtually all ways. A little finger pulling a gun they didn't build is the one sad skill they've had any success with.
Let them know that murder will not be an escape from that pitiful truth, but rather a life sentence of being confronted with it.
"Theater:" A commenter "beach" cites an expert diagnosing this sort of crime.
A key word is "theater" -- the psychopath chooses this sort of senseless, large-scale murder for the theatrical element. Obviously there is no "motive" as it is usually understood -- murdering a bunch of kids does not advance his cause (the way murdering a man for his car would get you, temporarily, a car).
He wants to be discussed; he's giving a performance; he wants to move the audience.
The audience shouldn't indulge him by considering him in the terms her prefers.
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Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 10:59 AM (6zgse)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at December 14, 2012 10:59 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 11:00 AM (K4wCe)
Posted by: Jordan at December 14, 2012 11:02 AM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 11:02 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 14, 2012 11:02 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 14, 2012 11:03 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at December 14, 2012 11:03 AM (feFL6)
Son of Peter and Nancy Lanza of Sandy Hook, CT ?
Posted by: Yasser Arafat at December 14, 2012 11:03 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 14, 2012 11:03 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: BlueStateRepub at December 14, 2012 11:03 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 14, 2012 11:03 AM (q177U)
Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 11:03 AM (wsGWu)
I'm told shooter may have killed father in NJ home, then mother in CT home, then gunned down mother's entire kindergarten class
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 11:04 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 11:04 AM (bgzAd)
Fox is now reporting 20 children dead.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 02:58 PM
The MSM is all over the place with death counts, shooter names, rushed stories that turn out to be inaccurate
What is consistent is Andrea Mitchell pouring the blood of the dead over herself to push a political agenda
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 11:04 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: steevy at December 14, 2012 11:04 AM (dBYCN)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 14, 2012 11:04 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 11:05 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 11:05 AM (6zgse)
Posted by: exdem13 at December 14, 2012 11:05 AM (1GunI)
Posted by: navybrat at December 14, 2012 11:05 AM (Ty7ja)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 11:06 AM (bgzAd)
Now is not the time for politics. Now is the time to rally together and help.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 11:06 AM (oQmCC)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:04 PM (8sCoq)
His mother loved the kids more than him?
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 11:06 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 14, 2012 11:06 AM (4cRnj)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 11:07 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 14, 2012 11:07 AM (0Db2g)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 11:07 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 11:07 AM (oQmCC)
And what Evil is usually described as, in popular mythology, which these guys are not, is potent and capable. Yes, Evil is horrible, but these guys are embracing it for the Power of it. Because they are failures and hopelessly inadequate in their own lives, they contrive a fantasy in which they become Dark Heroes -- larger than life and big as death -- by murdering a lot of people.
This, to me at least, is the Modern Anti-Hero, which started to become popular in the '60's.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 14, 2012 11:07 AM (yiIja)
I was talking about "The Shield" and the last episode where Shane kills his family and then himself right before was he about to be captured by the police. Shawn Ryan, the creator, based that ending off what he read about "family destroyers" from psychiatrists.
Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 11:08 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Adriane at December 14, 2012 11:09 AM (gh+mp)
Play up their status as a loser and expect even more PSAs from has been Hollywierd types against 'bullying' with 'bullying' already being defined as 'not letting the out kid sit at your table' and such. Saw that one today on the tube while the grandkids were watching. In other words is being a loser causes people to go postal expect even more of the 'everybody gets a trophy' mentality.
Posted by: John Morris at December 14, 2012 11:09 AM (sCRhB)
Just a note to parents, make sure Santa doesn't forget anything.
Might be a mistake this year.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 11:09 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 11:09 AM (oQmCC)
Posted by: Ace
Doesn't this presume they care?
Obviously we don't know enough to make any conclusion about today but what hard evidence is there that some shift in reporting would affect any of them?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 14, 2012 11:10 AM (TtXjG)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:07 PM
Multiply that by 3 at least. He's NEVER in time for a presser
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 11:10 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: exdem13 at December 14, 2012 11:10 AM (1GunI)
Posted by: Joejm65 at December 14, 2012 11:10 AM (UZuc4)
What parent lets that happen?
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 11:10 AM (wR+pz)
Well done, sir.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 11:10 AM (UK9cE)
I do believe that Evil is pervasive on earth, has been since the beginning, and will be until the end. And its influence is subtle, and very, very effective.
Posted by: farmersusie at December 14, 2012 11:10 AM (9zugO)
Ace is dead on on the psychology and whys.
Before I read the part saying they should humiliate this guy, I was thinking the same thing. Guys like this loser LOVE the fact that they will be notorious and a page in a horrible history. The fact they will never see that, means little.
If we can make doing what he did completely "unglamorous" in every way, it will happen less.
BTW, I don't think it's "galmorous", but these lunatics do.
Posted by: Hard Right at December 14, 2012 11:11 AM (uhftQ)
If you want your murder/suicide to be unique, here's a suggestion.
Be daring, be bold, be different.
If you're determined to carry out a murder/suicide...
...start with the suicide.
Posted by: Sgt. York at December 14, 2012 11:11 AM (WHcjL)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at December 14, 2012 11:11 AM (kqGWM)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 14, 2012 11:11 AM (0Db2g)
Superb insight Ace. I'm in total agreement with the small-dicks theory and that that is what needs to be publicized.
That and building a public urinal over the graves of these monsters so the public can forever after show their...ahem...regard.
Posted by: LGoPs at December 14, 2012 11:11 AM (4x8W0)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 11:11 AM (oQmCC)
Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 11:11 AM (2t6Gz)
What I am about to say is going to be virulently unpopular with some...but...
A culture that devalues life, personal responsibility, faith, and truth experiences moments like this. Evil exists and it will exploit every gap and crack resulting from the results of the previous sentence. Let me very clear about it: Government and politicians cannot solve our cultural decline--they can only accelerate it.
I simply have no words for the parents of those kids or the loved ones of the others slain on this horrible day. I'm going home. I'm going to get on my knees and I'm going to pray for us. All of us.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 14, 2012 11:11 AM (B+qrE)
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Maybe a media consumer view isn't the right perspective from which to understand people who actually do things.
Maybe they're not like you.
Posted by: oblig. at December 14, 2012 11:12 AM (cePv8)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 03:10 PM (wR+pz)
Yeah not surprised by Fox, they're a "news organization". That mother is disgusting.
Posted by: Adam at December 14, 2012 11:12 AM (/YJYi)
What parent lets that happen?
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 03:10 PM (wR+pz)
Everyone grabs their piece of the 15 minutes.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 11:12 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: mr_jack at December 14, 2012 11:12 AM (TMG3G)
Yeah, in Nigeria it's just your good old fashioned Muslims slaughtering Christians. It's a far more reasonable rationale for massacring schoolchildren.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 14, 2012 11:12 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 11:12 AM (bgzAd)
Excellent assessment Ace, I agree.
All the (righteous) fear and panic and profound sorrow being felt that is shown and explored a lot by the media I think also compels people who would do this, because it affirms they are making an impact.
However, covering that stuff is valid, it's what people feel, so I don't really have an answer for the second part. Deranged people are still going to commit these Evil acts even if the media doesn't cover how scared people are over it.
Posted by: Heralder at December 14, 2012 11:12 AM (+xmn4)
The British Empire didn't arise and thrive by accident. They got a few thing right along the way.
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 11:13 AM (G0eua)
My suspicion is that reducing these things to an issue of mental health will probably be as fruitless as taking away all the guns.
Mind you, I have no idea what should be done, but I do support the idea of aggressively exposing these people as dickless losers.
Posted by: Kensington at December 14, 2012 11:13 AM (H84UO)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 11:13 AM (6zgse)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 11:13 AM (0Ufr+)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 11:14 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 03:11 PM (2t6Gz)
This should be the difference between "bloggers" and "media". Media should check their shit .
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 11:14 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 14, 2012 11:14 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 11:14 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 11:14 AM (OlN4e)
I'd like to see these nuts who are bent on murder-suicide to consider doing at a gang's clubhouse instead of a school.
If you want to die, take out a few gangbangers in the process.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 11:14 AM (G/zuv)
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 14, 2012 11:14 AM (R8BMm)
Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 11:14 AM (wsGWu)
All families aren't nice, aren't supportive, arent' sane themselves and as a result, they produce more insanity.
This is not to say that that's always the case, however to make a blanket statement that his explosion was derived solely from his own faults and derangement could be in error.
Of course many people endure what others cannot but this shouldn't be cause to make statements that focus all of his mental imbalances as of his own making.
Families can and do make some of their members nuts.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 14, 2012 11:14 AM (3E2th)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at December 14, 2012 11:15 AM (xDelD)
Very well written, sir. Very correct.
We're still going to use these kids bodies to further our agenda.
Posted by: your liberal douchetard betters at December 14, 2012 11:15 AM (0APJ3)
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 11:15 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Ostar at December 14, 2012 11:15 AM (WIdeI)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 14, 2012 11:15 AM (NzBQO)
25.....But over there people murder for some perceived or real benefit to themselves. Or revenge. But just not random rampages or murder-suicides.
I think in this post, Ace touched upon why things like this may happen over here, but any other ideas?
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 03:05 PM (6zgse)
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'Evil' is celebrated as something that is 'cool'.
Doing something outrageous...just to get attention...has become comonplace.
Take the word 'wicked', for example...'wicked' is now used as a compliment.
So in the game of attention-seeking, the attention-seekers are now seeking even more heinous ways of gaining points in their acts of mayhem.
Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 11:15 AM (K4wCe)
My guess: shooter was on medication or had recently stopped taking it.
Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 11:15 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 11:15 AM (oQmCC)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 11:15 AM (0Ufr+)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 14, 2012 03:11 PM (0Db2g)
So Roger Allies, sp, lets this shit go on? Where is HIS pride? The parents might not have any, but the head grown up should.
Not their finest hour. This country is turning into one big fucking soap opera.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 11:15 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: The MFM at December 14, 2012 11:15 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at December 14, 2012 11:16 AM (xDelD)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 14, 2012 11:17 AM (nZvGM)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 11:17 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 11:17 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 11:17 AM (ZPrif)
Teacher unions comparing anyone who doesn't break the budget to give teachers massive raises will be compared to the shooter
Take it to the bank
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 11:17 AM (wwsoB)
What, they are dead? Oh, never mind.
Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry, The One Who Eats Dogs at December 14, 2012 11:17 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 11:17 AM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: ChampionCapua at December 14, 2012 11:17 AM (qky7A)
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 11:17 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 11:17 AM (6zgse)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at December 14, 2012 11:17 AM (4136b)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 11:18 AM (oQmCC)
Posted by: L, elle at December 14, 2012 11:18 AM (0PiQ4)
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Two kinds of parents stick out for me:
1. Parents in shock who just aren't thinking straight; or
2. Leftist parents who don't want to let a crisis go to waste.
I'm not assuming any of these parents are number 2, mind you.
Posted by: Kensington at December 14, 2012 11:18 AM (H84UO)
Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry, The One Who Eats Dogs at December 14, 2012 11:18 AM (wR+pz)
This is what I've been thinking all morning. Evil seems to imply some grand, powerful menance and this is the act of a pathetic, weak, impotent maggot.
Anyway, I've had this thought all morning but I couldn't put it into words. Thanks for this. I couldn't agree more with what you've written.
Posted by: Dumb_Blonde at December 14, 2012 11:18 AM (EHlD/)
Posted by: Country Singer at December 14, 2012 11:18 AM (svK4p)
Posted by: L, elle at December 14, 2012 11:18 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 14, 2012 11:19 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry, The One Who Eats Dogs at December 14, 2012 11:19 AM (wR+pz)
Liberalism - There is no God. There are no consequences for your actions. Go ahead and do whatever because, you just might feel good. Or something.
My vagina, my choice, and you better make it free.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 11:19 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: farmersusie at December 14, 2012 11:19 AM (9zugO)
I hear the killer has a dick the size of a chapstick tube and he used to put it in his mother's cat.
Which was a male cat.
And the cat was able to fight him off most of the time.
Posted by: imp at December 14, 2012 11:19 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 11:19 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: L, elle at December 14, 2012 03:18 PM (0PiQ4)
His lips are moving, he is lying.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 11:20 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 11:20 AM (G0eua)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 11:20 AM (oQmCC)
So now we're in this place where we have to figure out the best way of how to get little kids out of a school being terrorized. Do you put them in a line? That keeps things orderly and make sure everyone's accounted for, but doesn't that just make everybody a target? What about the kids at the end of the line? Do you shut down everything around the school? Where to keep the parents whose children aren't accounted for? Could you have even contemplated anything like this when we were kids?
What a broken world we live in.
Posted by: Filly at December 14, 2012 11:20 AM (4DXae)
Posted by: L, elle at December 14, 2012 11:20 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: Barky McFucknut at December 14, 2012 11:21 AM (BVkEs)
Posted by: navybrat at December 14, 2012 11:21 AM (Ty7ja)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 03:20 PM (79ueO)
No for him. Did you hear what he said? "We will do something to correct this, regardless of the politics." .....or something to that effect.
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 11:21 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 11:21 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: LizLem at December 14, 2012 11:21 AM (8wqqE)
Posted by: cicerokid at December 14, 2012 11:21 AM (Yf4MJ)
Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 11:22 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 11:22 AM (6zgse)
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I don't mean to suggest that. I have no idea what the answer is.
Posted by: Kensington at December 14, 2012 11:22 AM (H84UO)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 14, 2012 11:22 AM (0q2P7)
Pathological narcissism/can't stand cameras on someone else, drum up support for his unilateral disarmament of the populace, pretending to care -> support for repeal the 22nd Amendment, attack his usual scapegoats, something something about Obamacare...
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 14, 2012 11:22 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (NzBQO)
This too, has been lingering around the periphery of my thoughts today. Kind of a lame comparison, given the weight of today's massacre, but in the movie Frightners, the murders are doing just do get in the record books as having killed more than other mass murderers.
Posted by: Heralder at December 14, 2012 11:23 AM (+xmn4)
Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 11:23 AM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 11:23 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 03:22 PM (OlN4e)
Get it right.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 11:23 AM (UK9cE)
But spot on about humiliating his memory. Let the nutjobs know they aren't going out in a blaze of glory, but smearing their useless POS selves into the mud of non-history.
Posted by: tcn at December 14, 2012 11:23 AM (ZOUmX)
What's scary is that there's tens of thousands of these pathetic losers out there that are thinking that this is cool. This country's leftists have cultivated this mindset (yeah, Ace, I said it) for decades now. Some have grown out of it, but for some, it's a permanent feature.
OWS was one of the best examples of these people.
Posted by: Soona at December 14, 2012 11:23 AM (1CXqI)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 14, 2012 11:24 AM (yiIja)
Individual responsibility? Bah. We can't have that enter our collective conscience. So the individual will not be mocked; he will be "understood".
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 14, 2012 11:24 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Hard Right at December 14, 2012 11:24 AM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 11:24 AM (ZPrif)
This should make it clear, we are NOT messing around.
Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry, The One Who Eats Dogs at December 14, 2012 11:24 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Prescient11 at December 14, 2012 11:25 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: S. Weasel at December 14, 2012 11:25 AM (CrEGa)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 14, 2012 11:25 AM (QupBk)
Filly,
I see what you are saying but in situation like this I try never to second guess. Those teachers were going with their gut in a situation that no one has ever faced before. At that moment it seemed the right thing to do.
Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 11:25 AM (hl8SI)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 11:25 AM (bgzAd)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 03:05 PM (6zgse)
I think part of it is a kind of "First World" psychosis. We live in a world of iPhones and Twitter and Facebook and email and texting. We get movies from Netflix instead of going to theater, and we watch sporting events on our big screen TVs in our own homes. When we turn on the TV we're faced with beautiful people with impossibly perfect skin and hair who live in beautiful homes despite having low-wage employment, and they all have someone in their lives they can count on: a wacky best friend, a cool neighbor, a loving parent, a supportive child.
It's very easy to feel disconnected and unwanted in that world. When you're already a weak, impotent little pansy man who could never succeed in social situations anyway, it goes from being merely depressing to malignant. "The whole world hates me, but not as much as I hate the world. I'll show 'em. I'll show 'em all. They shouldn't have underestimated me."
But they didn't underestimate him. The world at large had Impotent-little-pansy-man's number from day one and reasonably ostracized him. And with a gubmint daddy to make sure that his needs are taken care of -- food stamps, welfare, SSDI -- the need to become self-reliant and independent is negated, creating a fertile landscape for bitterness and envy to take root and thrive. "Why do I have to live in my mom's basement when THAT GUY can rent his own apartment? it's not fair. The world doesn't understand me. They all hate me. But I hate them MORE."
I think, in terms of places like your home of Nigeria, where there is still a great deal of poverty and struggle just to survive from day to day, this kind of First World ennui isn't an option.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 11:26 AM (4df7R)
Real tears? Real pause? Looked just scripted to me.
So thank God, Obama will finally encourage schools to have teachers or principles have a weapon within reach, to protect kids that have been placed in these currently "gun free zones", that attract these nuts.
Oh wait, no, he will use a crisis to push for gun control/confiscation.
Posted by: Illini Bill at December 14, 2012 11:26 AM (TacX2)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 11:26 AM (0Ufr+)
The only answer for a cat like this is to wield more power than he does, and let him know you do. Period. There are no other answers. No magical societal potion. No academic studies. Just more power.
If someone isn't afraid to die and wants to take people with them, there's not a whole lot we can do. The religion of peace taught me this.
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 14, 2012 11:26 AM (R8BMm)
Posted by: Xander Crews at December 14, 2012 11:26 AM (24UOj)
Ah yes, the days when you could let your kids walk 5 miles to the fishing hole by themselves and not worry about them.
Evil is always there. It didn't used to have as many places to fester in our society.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 14, 2012 11:26 AM (0q2P7)
Wait, what?
Obama said he was going to correct evil?
This is the scariest part of how leftist/liberals think -- they believe that human nature can be changed. Thomas Sowell explains it in Conflict of Visions and compares the unconstrained schoold of thought to the constrained.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 11:26 AM (G/zuv)
Did Reagan press-whore hours after the San Ysidro McDonald's massacre?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 14, 2012 11:27 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 11:27 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:25 PM (8sCoq)
And we are here to help.
Posted by: MSM Spin doctors at December 14, 2012 11:27 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: bugle boy at December 14, 2012 11:27 AM (cdYUQ)
Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 11:27 AM (aZ6ew)
Around these parts, we call that an "attention whore".
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 14, 2012 11:27 AM (R8BMm)
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 11:28 AM (wwsoB)
Bane, The Joker and on and on. I blame hollywood.
As for the shooters, post photos of their dicks, with a ruler for reference.
Posted by: Javems at December 14, 2012 11:28 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 11:28 AM (79ueO)
I am not a psychologist but if I had to guess, I'd guess they tend to be middle class because it's only the middle class that feels class nervousness and the bleak horror of complete failure.
I can personally attest that this is truth. I've stared into that abyss myself.
When you're middle class people expect something from you.
Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 11:28 AM (fsLdt)
Oh I absolutely agree that we shouldn't second guess and they doubtless did the best they could under unspeakable circumstances. I just meant that it's horrible that we even have to anticipate something like this now and have protocol in place for it.
Posted by: Filly at December 14, 2012 11:28 AM (4DXae)
Posted by: Prescient11 at December 14, 2012 03:25 PM (tVTLU)
Did Obama cry over the F'n'F victims?
He's very selective.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 11:28 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 11:28 AM (0Ufr+)
There's something to that I'd wager.
I reminded myself and my friends that no matter how hard they try to live up to the TV it is make believe.
We're all fairly successful and that should be and is getting to be more for myself anyway 'enough."
Confessions of a dangerous mind is a good movie and in a way is about the wreck we're becoming...
"My name is Chuck Barris, I am the monster responsible for the Gong Show and the New Newlywed Game oh and I murdered 37 people."
Gonna rewatch it.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (LRFds)
We should have a national program for the training of teachers in the defense of their pupils and colleagues.
That's what any extra money for education should go toward.
Remember, it is only by chance that the police ever stop these crimes. They are, by definition, reactive, not proactive. An armed teacher can end it with a few rounds. A policeman will arrive too late to do anything.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (bgzAd)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (6zgse)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (LCRYB)
Code for you will do what I say.
Never miss a chance to get a dig in. He can not help his asshole self.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (wR+pz)
NO they don't. Maybe your average lefty dope, but not the ones in power. They merely don't want to let any crisis "go to waste". They don't want to make the world better, they just want to make it theirs.
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (R8BMm)
We haven't done this enough times to know how to behave yet?
Posted by: Aaron at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (Tlix5)
Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (OlN4e)
Understood. My point is that senseless slaughter of innocents is not unique to the US and it's not unique to our modern culture. It has happened throughout history. People are sometimes bent. They can snap and carry out something like this or they can kill methodically over a long period of time. We always want to craft some kind of narrative to neatly explain why it happens or blame it on something or someone we don't like. Or we invent tidy little solutions like publicly shaming the killer after he's dead as a deterrent to future maniacs. It won't work, but it sometimes makes people feel good that they're doing something.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (4cRnj)
Posted by: AndrewsDad at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (C2//T)
Posted by: tcn at December 14, 2012 03:23 PM (ZOUmX)
I say we need to understand it. Analyze it to DEATH. Go into every corner of this fuck's life. Read his words. See what he read, watched and listened to over the last 20 years. KNOW HIM WELL. That's the only way you'll be able to detect it beforehand going forward.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (UK9cE)
Just this post is worth more than your cable bill and newspaper subscription.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 14, 2012 11:29 AM (GsoHv)
He is a weapons grade douchnozzle....and the kids thing sells.
Nobody gives a shit about F&F and Ft Hood but us bud.
We're the 'other' Barky hates so bad.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 11:30 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Barack Obama at December 14, 2012 11:30 AM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 11:30 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 11:30 AM (fsLdt)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 11:31 AM (0Ufr+)
Yup....and they have a LOT of people who are their clients who convince themselves they are in bed with angels.
The country needs a divorce.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 11:31 AM (LRFds)
He's very selective.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 03:28 PM (AWmfW)
Brian Terry? A bump in the road. Ambassador Stevens? Unfortunate.
A chance to make a tragedy political and further defame The Constitution? A river of tears, baby.......
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 11:31 AM (UK9cE)
Guys, I despise zero as much as everyone else, but of course he is going
to speak on such a tragedy and offer thoughts and prayers.
I said in the previous thread, a simple written statement of condolence would be fine.
Getting up on his podium in front of the nation via televised broadcast is unnecessary, distracting, and in very poor taste. The facts of the case haven't even begun to solidify, yet he feels he can make some kind of statement? He clearly didn't learn from his "police acted stupidly" comment four years ago.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 11:31 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: L, elle at December 14, 2012 11:31 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: bugle boy at December 14, 2012 11:31 AM (cdYUQ)
Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 11:31 AM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 11:32 AM (oQmCC)
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 11:32 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 11:32 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Douglass at December 14, 2012 11:32 AM (Vi1ue)
I don't know if that's mental illness or pure evil, but it needs to be put down as quickly as it's identified because it's not fixable.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 11:32 AM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 11:33 AM (bgzAd)
Posted by: Andy at December 14, 2012 11:33 AM (ZSnCv)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (LCRYB)
But, turtles can be trained.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 11:33 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 14, 2012 11:33 AM (R8BMm)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 11:33 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 11:33 AM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 11:34 AM (8sCoq)
Yeah some NY Times blogger speculating on how disturbing and revealing that the falsely accused Ryan twits were. It really was nothing. He made some crack about the world ending in 2 weeks and he played Grand Theft Auto and Mass Effect.
Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 11:34 AM (hl8SI)
Correct.
In my anger earlier I posted about vigilantism and reciprocity against the shooter's families if need be.
The problem is he killed them all himself.
The kids that may need "exposed to the elements" as Livia opined on in I, Claudius live and many innocent kids who may not have been postal in waiting die.
The whole mess, the whole monstrosity goes back to the devaluation of life at all levels in our society to the point where the nuts who can do this no longer stand out as badly as they once did.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 11:34 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 11:34 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 11:34 AM (bgzAd)
If zero decided he can come after the guns, today will be another Ft. Sumter.
Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 11:34 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Max Entropy at December 14, 2012 11:34 AM (Z/+Lm)
I taught him that.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at December 14, 2012 11:34 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 11:34 AM (oQmCC)
Get them ready, get them on tape, lay the groundwork for the national gun contol legislation. Short remarks, no teleprompter, no eye contact.
Posted by: farmersusie at December 14, 2012 11:34 AM (9zugO)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 11:35 AM (bgzAd)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 11:35 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 11:35 AM (wR+pz)
This President has a bad habit of putting himself on camera in the heat of the moment
Well obviously, the President acted stupidly.
Posted by: Jay Carney at December 14, 2012 11:35 AM (3SvjA)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 11:35 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 14, 2012 11:36 AM (WWuYG)
Evil yes but mostly they are Cowardly Losers. Look at the act; a grown man in the prime of life needed guns to murder women and 5 yr olds. What a pussy. What a coward. He must have been afraid he'd be rushed by the children.
They should make his grave an outhouse.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at December 14, 2012 11:36 AM (WVMUQ)
Posted by: bugle boy at December 14, 2012 11:36 AM (cdYUQ)
A crazy man in China rampages through a school with a knife. Stabs 22 children and all survive.
In America a crazy person rampages through a school with a gun and 26 people die, 18 of them small children (plus him of course). Should we now be enacting laws so that small children can conceal and carry to elementary school. Come on, I'm sure one of you nutters thinks that is the solution.
Why do you gun nuts not accept basic evidence?
America. A country where it's easier to get a military grade assault weapon for "hunting" then it is to get mental health care.
Pity our children.
Posted by: John at December 14, 2012 11:36 AM (BvuR1)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at December 14, 2012 11:36 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 14, 2012 11:36 AM (paPv4)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 11:36 AM (3Y7RV)
Did anybody just see Obama wipe away fake tears? Omg, he paused as to catch himself from not crying? What a total fraud!! Was that scripted into his speech on the shootings? /i]
He better be careful. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY likes that kind of shit.
Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 11:36 AM (fsLdt)
Posted by: Adriane at December 14, 2012 11:36 AM (gh+mp)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:35 PM (8sCoq)
Probably a great deal. That's why the 48Hour rule always applies in heated situations like this. Question everything you hear during that period of time.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 11:36 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 11:37 AM (AWmfW)
--
Are they Republicans? Can they be cast as such? If so, I'm listening...
Posted by: MSM at December 14, 2012 11:37 AM (SO1aA)
Anthropologically speaking its kinda been a constant for hundreds of thousands of years. In the arc of human history context, WE are the outlier data point.
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 11:37 AM (G0eua)
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (UK9cE)
You can't. Every lunatic has his own vector. That's why we call them nuts. They don't adhere to the pattern, whatever you might think that is. Evil is evil, period.
Posted by: tcn at December 14, 2012 11:37 AM (ZOUmX)
Posted by: Observer at December 14, 2012 11:37 AM (/sohm)
Obama voted more than once in the Illinois state legislature to allow babies to be shelved if they survived an abortion. They dehydrate and die.
What is the difference between that an a 5 year old to Obama? Do you become a person when you can walk? Talk?
Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 11:37 AM (G+Wff)
We have a couple generations of kids who've been raised to believe that they're special, complete with middle class parents who believe that their little precious can do no wrong and is destined for Very Big Things.
There are no longer troublemakers, only Special Needs victims of ADHD, some other pseudo-medical condition, bullying, discrimination, intolerance, or some other outside influence. Not their fault.
There is no losing team- everybody gets a trophy because they're all winners.
Then, they discover the hard way that they're not that special and there are losers, because they are one. But it can't be their fault. Society, parents- someone else is to blame. Not them. Can't be because they're perfect and special.
Their failures aren't their own. The world conspired against them. They're the victim of unfairness. So who do they take revenge upon?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 14, 2012 11:37 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Jean at December 14, 2012 11:37 AM (/FT0A)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM
The MBM has been reporting everything except what's accurate
About all we know is that someone shot and murdered people including school children in Newtown CT
Everything else is just wild speculation disguised as "BREAKING NEWS !!!!11!! "
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 11:38 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: John at December 14, 2012 11:38 AM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 11:38 AM (0Ufr+)
What the fuck????? Now reports coming in that entire Lanza family is dead, shooter may NOT be Ryan Lanza but may have stolen his ID!!
This thing gets crazier by the minute.
Posted by: rockmom at December 14, 2012 11:38 AM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 14, 2012 11:38 AM (nZvGM)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 11:38 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: mare at December 14, 2012 11:38 AM (A98Xu)
"Lanza's mother, a teacher at the school,"
Bob Costas expresses concern about culture of education.
Posted by: Gerry at December 14, 2012 11:38 AM (DJIo7)
You'll have to show me where I can get an Assault Weapon easier than mental helath help.
Now "assault weapon" has a meaning I was taught in the army fucker.
No "evil scary black gun"
Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 11:38 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 11:38 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 14, 2012 11:38 AM (tkoGU)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 14, 2012 11:39 AM (IyKYr)
Posted by: Knemon at December 14, 2012 11:39 AM (nl1/0)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 11:39 AM (bgzAd)
Pretty soon I'm gonna have helicopters over head and flashing lights through my windows...
This is ridiculous.
Posted by: Mario Lanza at December 14, 2012 11:39 AM (2oHJ2)
Death penalty was recently overturned in CT, but anyone who was sentenced to death still has that sentence.
Well, until the lawyers get done arguing that it's not fair....
At least this dirtbag saved us the cost of a trial..
Posted by: wiserbud at December 14, 2012 11:39 AM (gCa4h)
Everyone LOVES a train wreck, therefore we need to make it the biggest and baddest train wreck in history.
We'll apologize later if we didn't get it right.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 11:39 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 11:40 AM (wsGWu)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 11:40 AM (GBXon)
Their graves should be outhouses too.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at December 14, 2012 11:40 AM (WVMUQ)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 11:40 AM (0Ufr+)
194...I just don't think you can apply the same toolbox to them that you'd apply to normal people. They're not normal. "Morality" is so distant from them it's like trying to communicate with a turtle.
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (LCRYB)
--------
Exactly so, Ace.
But we've seen Morality held up as something to be ridiculed.
Immorality is now held up as 'normal'.
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that this shooter was involved in the OWS protests.
'Envy' used to be considered a sin.
Now it is dished out on a daily basis from our POTUS.
Voting is declared an act of 'revenge'...against those horrible people who are happier than you are, or have more than you do.
This shooter killed his family...and then went on to kill the children who had been taught by his mother (?)...as a further act of 'revenge' for his own unhappiness.
He obviously felt entitled to exact this revenge for his lack of happiness.
Btw...Great work lately, Ace.
Thanks.
Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 11:40 AM (K4wCe)
Don't say he's just crazy. This guy had a plan from the beginning. What the hell set him off?
Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 11:40 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Adriane at December 14, 2012 11:40 AM (gh+mp)
America. A country where it's easier to get a military grade assault weapon for "hunting" then it is to get mental health care.
Pity our children.
Posted by: John
Well then we better ban airplanes. They were used as human guided bombs on 9/11 and more than 3,000 died.
Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 11:41 AM (G+Wff)
And yes, crazy is crazy is crazy is crazy.
Someone smart enough or determined enough can always inflict significant pain and death. it's a fact.
I like Ace's suggestion of laughing at them, belittling them, and then moving on after a summary execution once found guilty.
Why oh why does it take so long to end these people. Just like pedophiles, they need to be eliminated.
Posted by: Prescient11 at December 14, 2012 11:41 AM (tVTLU)
Many prison inmates would not be there today had they spent a day or two in the stocks being pelted with rotten fruit as teenagers. Of this I am certain.
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 11:41 AM (G0eua)
Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 11:41 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 11:42 AM (0Ufr+)
Posted by: Justamom at December 14, 2012 11:42 AM (t9e6Q)
Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 03:41 PM (G+Wff)
Don't forget the box cutters.
Posted by: Adam at December 14, 2012 11:42 AM (/YJYi)
**(The sound of Bob Costas having a self-righteous Liberal orgasm.)
This may be the "Archduke Ferdinand" moment of the next American Civil War.
Posted by: MENE MENE TEKEL UPHARSIN at December 14, 2012 11:42 AM (SiF4n)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 03:40 PM (0Ufr+)
and he was wrongly identified to the world as that mass murderer
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 11:42 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 03:41 PM (G+Wff)
And we'd best ban matches, too. Do you know how many people have been killed by arsonists over the years?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 11:42 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: rockmom at December 14, 2012 11:43 AM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 11:43 AM (LCRYB)
Ace, as to your idea of how to cover these guys....good luck with that, it ain't gonna happen.
But you know that.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 14, 2012 11:43 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 11:43 AM (oQmCC)
Posted by: Jordan at December 14, 2012 11:43 AM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 11:44 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: John at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (/YJYi)
In the liberal world, you're exactly fucking right. That's why we have things like THIS happening. You PREACH no personal responsibility. PAY FOR MY BIRTH CONTROL!!!! I don't WANT to be punished with a BABY!!!!!
I can go shoot a bunch of school kids and my parents because there IS NO GOD so I will NOT be PUNISHED for my actions!!!!!
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 11:44 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 14, 2012 11:44 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 11:44 AM (6zgse)
Posted by: Tony Danza at December 14, 2012 11:44 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: uterus cannon at December 14, 2012 11:44 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 14, 2012 11:44 AM (WWuYG)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 11:44 AM (0Ufr+)
Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 11:45 AM (wsGWu)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 11:45 AM (LCRYB)
Just in case the media is not done casting about for the right perpetrator
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 11:45 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 11:45 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: rockmom at December 14, 2012 11:46 AM (aBlZ1)
Is it the truth? Who cares. Shitbag put himself in the public domain.
Posted by: Tee at December 14, 2012 11:46 AM (40zQF)
Posted by: Bud Norton at December 14, 2012 11:46 AM (6cOMd)
Posted by: Tony Danza at December 14, 2012 03:42 PM (NIZHJ)
Best lay low right now, Tony. I know I'm gonna.
Posted by: Lorenzo Lamas at December 14, 2012 11:46 AM (2oHJ2)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 14, 2012 11:46 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Justamom at December 14, 2012 11:46 AM (t9e6Q)
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 14, 2012 11:46 AM (paPv4)
Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 11:46 AM (OlN4e)
Christianity knows the Devil, knows how difficult it is to combat him, but does so at all times.
St. Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray....
Posted by: tcn at December 14, 2012 11:46 AM (ZOUmX)
The organ harvesting thing doesn't really bother me that much.
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 11:46 AM (G0eua)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 14, 2012 11:47 AM (2x+V2)
Don't say he's just crazy. This guy had a plan from the beginning. What the hell set him off?
Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 03:40 PM (GQ8sn)
It could be emotional revenge on his parents, that's why he killed the children his mother cared for.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 11:47 AM (AWmfW)
"In Japan they have a shame culture. Doing something like this brings shame and humiliation to your loved ones. That is part of the reason whey there is less of this there. "
Yeah.
They just hack people to death with swords and pop off poison gas in the subways. Totally different.
Evil is everywhere. Shoot it in the brain when possible lest it spread.
Posted by: Jaws at December 14, 2012 11:47 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: RWC at December 14, 2012 11:47 AM (fWAjv)
culture disputes we're currently having, when the nation was almost
entirely Christian (and self-pronouncedly Christian):
Ah yes, the days when you could let your kids walk 5 miles to the fishing hole by themselves and not worry about them.
Evil is always there. It didn't used to have as many places to fester in our society.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 14, 2012 03:26 PM (0q2P7)
-----------------------------------------------------
Or when I was in the sixth grade and all of us boys brought our rifles to school so that we could have our 4H gun safety and shooting classes after school.
The teacher made us put all of the guns in the coat room at the back of the classroom.
When I hear some of you talk about that this has nothing to do about morality (right and wrong) are obviously too young to remember a different era in American history when we still had prayer and scripter read at the beginning of every school-day. When the family was the norm instead of the "quiant" situation. When abortions were almost unheard of. When pre-marital sex was openly disdained.
We're reaping the reward of a purposeful societal breakdown.
Posted by: Soona at December 14, 2012 11:47 AM (1CXqI)
Posted by: Christmasghost at December 14, 2012 11:47 AM (nzlU3)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 11:47 AM (3Y7RV)
good luck with that, Chief
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 11:47 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 11:48 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 11:48 AM (MPjT8)
Go through his computer. Get his IP.
What what he doing Friday night? Looking at porn? Like a fucking loser with no girl.
What has he been doing every Friday night?
Post the most embarrassing fact about this loser's life.
Pictures that show his pale, weak, bird chest. His weak man-boy scruff of a non-beard. His already flabby, skinny-fat gut.
Post the porn he looks at. Post the most embarrassing porn he's looked at.
Post his job history.
Post his grades. Especially his failures.
Post his SAT scores -- especially if they are low. Or lower than he wishes they were.
Post pictures of his broken down, ratty-ass car.
Post emails where he whines like a bitch to a girl who dumped him.
Post anything embarrassing about his medical history. Acne, asthma, herpes.
Total character assassination for any murderers. Make it known that we'll take the most unflattering aspects of their life and put that on a wall. That is how they'll be remembered.
Love it. The media has no problem with publicly dismantling celebrities and politicians...
Ace said everything I've always thought about these guys, except he said it perfectly. I would have written a 4500 word post trying to express the same thoughts.
Also, fuck that 24 year old bitch. I hate the "evil nerd" type more than anything else. These are the guys that bitch about women choosing the athletic, accomplished guy over the caring nerd. They feel entitled to women, claim to be such a nice guy, and end up as hate-filled bitter losers. Once they realize that, it's time to pop some school children.
Raging right now.
Posted by: ElKomandante at December 14, 2012 11:48 AM (72QgB)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 11:48 AM (6zgse)
Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 11:48 AM (LpQbZ)
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I read Explaining Hitler by Ron Rosenbaum who presented an interesting idea along these lines. He contemplates the possibility that Hitler wanted to be The Greatest Conqueror in History! but after the Battle of Stalingrad it was pretty clear that that wasn't going to work out so he went with Most Evil Mother Fucker In History! instead. Rosenbaum references Hitler's prior dream of being an artist and suggests that what Hitler was doing was becoming an artist of evil. So the Holocaust was performance art. I've never been able to look at Hitler quite the same since I read that.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 14, 2012 11:49 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 11:49 AM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 14, 2012 11:49 AM (C8mVl)
Maybe it's time to bring back the concept of "shame."
This is something I've been preaching for years.
Those little children who run up and down the aisle at the movie theater? Or who kick your seat on the airplane? Or the person on the subway who talks very loudly into their cellphone about the anal sex they had the night before? They were never taught shame.
Shame is only negative when misplaced and when taken to extremes (see treatment of women in the middle east). When used as it's MEANT to be used, shame is a key component of behavior building. It's not supposed to destroy a person's sense of self; it's supposed to make a person understand that they are not the only person int eh world. It's supposed to remind people that they should respect those around them. It's supposed to build harmonious social bonds.
And let me say, there's a difference between "shame" and "humiliation." Shame is meant to be a check on behavior, and is something internalized by the individual. Humiliation is punative and is used by sick fucks to get a cheap thrill at the expense of someone else's humanity.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 11:50 AM (4df7R)
America. A country where it's easier to get a military grade assault weapon for "hunting" then it is to get mental health care.
Lulz.
Do you people have a manual you read from?
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 11:50 AM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 14, 2012 11:50 AM (hNXHo)
That's exactly the impression I got. You are right---no need for legislation when an executive order is handy.
Posted by: farmersusie at December 14, 2012 11:50 AM (9zugO)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 11:50 AM (oQmCC)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at December 14, 2012 11:50 AM (dvRYt)
Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 11:50 AM (OlN4e)
Thanks. They were my friends but I hadn't spoken to them in a number of years (they were closer to my ex-wife). Still, it was tragic and simply baffling. I asked people closer to them if there had been signs for a while but everyone said no. It came completely out of the blue.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 14, 2012 11:51 AM (WWuYG)
Posted by: rockmom at December 14, 2012 11:51 AM (aBlZ1)
A key word is "theater" -- the psychopath chooses this sort of senseless, large-scale murder for the theatrical element. Obviously there is no "motive" as it is usually understood -- murdering a bunch of kids does not advance his cause (the way murdering a man for his car would get you, temporarily, a car).
He wants to be discussed; he's giving a performance; he wants to move the audience.
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Yeah, that fits in with Rosenbaum's Explaining Hitler.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 14, 2012 11:51 AM (Hx5uv)
Soona:
Absolutely. These people are hysterical. If anything, armed school staff could help defend against such an attack.
Remember that school shooting in MS, it was stopped when the principal went outside to grab his .45 from his vehicle.
Posted by: Prescient11 at December 14, 2012 11:51 AM (tVTLU)
signed the NRA
Posted by: John at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (BvuR1)
You're just a dick. That's all there is to it.
I guess no one dies of gunshot wounds in the UK, then, huh.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 11:51 AM (UK9cE)
Time to get back under the stairs, now, Posted by: John (BvuR1) .
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 11:51 AM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Max Entropy at December 14, 2012 11:51 AM (Z/+Lm)
Posted by: Adriane at December 14, 2012 11:51 AM (gh+mp)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at December 14, 2012 11:52 AM (Lxw+T)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 11:52 AM (4df7R)
What kind of sick little puppy you must be that you think the greatest thing you can do is preen and shove your noxious notions down everyone's throat. You are a small disk pathetic excuse for protoplasm.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 11:52 AM (oQmCC)
Posted by: snowcrash at December 14, 2012 11:52 AM (I30qo)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (4df7R)
The worst slur you can hurl at a Filipino is to pronounce them 'wala hiya', 'without shame'.
Posted by: cicerokid at December 14, 2012 11:52 AM (Yf4MJ)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 14, 2012 11:52 AM (9+ccr)
OSS had a psychological profile along those lines.
The problem is Darth Shicklgruber had some other hardasses to compete with for "most evil artiste" that beggar the imagination.
Ivan the Terrible and his 35 foot frying pan come to mind.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 11:52 AM (LRFds)
John does it hurt being suck a stupid fuck? It ought to.
Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (OlN4e)
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Evidently not, because stupid fucks seem to be multiplying.
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 11:53 AM (MPjT8)
343...Or when I was in the sixth grade and all of us boys brought our rifles to school so that we could have our 4H gun safety and shooting classes after school.
The teacher made us put all of the guns in the coat room at the back of the classroom.
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Yeah, Soona...I remember seeing guns in the back of the classroom too, stored with the coats.
Boys brought them to school with them during hunting season, so they could do a little hunting on their way home.
It was no big deal.
Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 11:53 AM (K4wCe)
No, Clinton shamelessly blamed Rush Limbaugh and talk radio for their "inflammatory rhetoric against the government"
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 11:53 AM (wwsoB)
The type of fertilizer he used is now highly regulated and very hard to find for the non farmer.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 14, 2012 11:53 AM (81UWZ)
Posted by: RWC at December 14, 2012 11:53 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 11:54 AM (3Y7RV)
and I used to say "but not here because WE ARE different we are not socialist fucknozzles like the rest of Anglia....but now...
yeah now i am deciding whether to get that upper or accept that the left gets whatever they want now forever.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 11:54 AM (LRFds)
Expose every facet of these losers.
It's what should have been done to Klebold and Harris, but the parents were somehow able to obfuscate the facts enough that it turned them into psycho-cult killers.
Posted by: Budfox at December 14, 2012 11:54 AM (9+DJg)
Nope. "Guns are bad, drugs are good be cause I do them"
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 11:54 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 14, 2012 11:55 AM (R8BMm)
It's vicitmhood that has been absorbed into our culture, plain and simple.
This guy was a mutt.
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 14, 2012 11:55 AM (RrD4h)
Or the person on the subway who talks very loudly into their cellphone about the anal sex they had the night before?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (4df7R)
That was ... weirdly specific.
Posted by: Heralder at December 14, 2012 11:55 AM (+xmn4)
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 14, 2012 11:56 AM (R8BMm)
Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez, Wishing Everyone Happy Holidays at December 14, 2012 11:56 AM (yAor6)
Come on Ace or cob, fucking get rid of this garbage.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 14, 2012 11:56 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 11:57 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: MENE MENE TEKEL UPHARSIN at December 14, 2012 11:57 AM (SiF4n)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 11:57 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 03:49 PM (NIZHJ)
I can't...I have pressing matters of state!
Posted by: Joe Biden at December 14, 2012 11:57 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 11:57 AM (6zgse)
John has left the building, folks, via the plumbing.
Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 11:58 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Ian S. at December 14, 2012 11:58 AM (B/VB5)
They've been trying this for a while, but I've seen a huge press on this today. It's still stupid, but more difficult to counter.
Posted by: grognard at December 14, 2012 11:58 AM (NS2Mo)
Posted by: LeBron Steinman at December 14, 2012 11:58 AM (jfWE9)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 11:58 AM (oQmCC)
A more basic premise is underlying. A person who cannot responsibly own a gun is also incapable of responsibly voting in a representative government for the former requires less knowledge and virtue to accomplish safely. If you are willing to accede that the American people need to be ruled because they are unable to responsibly participate in self government. I will accede that they should not be armed.
How's that for an answer?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 14, 2012 11:58 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Heralder at December 14, 2012 03:55 PM (+xmn4)
Anecdotal evidence from a friend of mine after a trip to NYC. 
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 11:58 AM (4df7R)
Pity our children.
Posted by: John at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM
Go apply for "military grade assault weapon" then get back to us.
You might have a point about getting mental health care since you need it so urgently
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 11:58 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 11:58 AM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: tennvols87 at December 14, 2012 11:59 AM (HeCg1)
Posted by: rockmom at December 14, 2012 11:59 AM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 12:00 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (oQmCC)
I am behind this 100%. Turn the fire hoses on the psychopath-sympathizing doucheturd, full power.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 12:00 PM (4df7R)
So....somebody help me out here....now the story is this kid killed his family and then went to the school where his mother worked for the big theatrical finale?
Am I caught up?
Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 12:01 PM (fsLdt)
Posted by: Ma Bell at December 14, 2012 12:01 PM (uVuwp)
Michael Moore
@MMFlint
The way to honor these dead children is to demand strict gun control, free mental health care, and an end to violence as public policy.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 12:01 PM (8sCoq)
So what does the media do? Shower them with virtually unlimited attention, and indeed SYMPATHY.
Crazy doesn't mean stupid. Someone craving attention the way a junkie craves a fix, shoots a bunch of people and is REWARDED with media attention that would make the Beatles in their heyday jealous. What do they THINK the other malignantly narcissistic nihilists are going to do?
The media is literally TRAINING mass murderers as surely as Pavlov trained dogs.
It's the equivalent of using bloody fish guts as shark repellent.
Of course the media simply doesn't CARE. It's an opportunity to attack the right to keep and bear arms. But suggest that they be forbidden from fawning over the next mass murderer and they suddenly remember the Bill of Rights.
It's about MONEY, far MORE money than what the media hypocritically accuses the firearms industry of making.
Posted by: Deanimator at December 14, 2012 12:01 PM (2YnwF)
Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 12:01 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 12:01 PM (NIZHJ)
Apparently, the new gun grabber angle is "relative lethality."
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
...
No it's not. It's the stupidest thing I've heard in the last hour or so, but it's still stupid as shit John.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 12:01 PM (4df7R)
Nope. "Guns are bad, drugs are good be cause I do them"
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:54 PM
One lefty blogger was already pointing out the gaming angle based on the falsely accused shooter's facebook page. So because some guy who shares a name with the real killer we should ban games preemptively
Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 12:01 PM (hl8SI)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 12:01 PM (oQmCC)
These. People. Are. Sick.
Posted by: Filly at December 14, 2012 12:01 PM (4DXae)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 12:01 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 12:01 PM (0Ufr+)
If the sicko killer was high on any of those, will you feel any "shame" for advocating legalization of drugs?
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 12:01 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Ma Bell at December 14, 2012 12:02 PM (uVuwp)
There's significant regulation on the bulk purchase of ammonium nitrate fertilizers now. I had to fill out some govt paperwork to buy a 5gal pail of Nitro methane recently, even though the stuff is no more splody than Methanol (no paperwork necessary for that)
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 12:02 PM (G0eua)
I think you should seriously consider deputizing a significant number of commenters as post moderators. Shit like John or that other crazy fucker from last night needs to be patrolled and smacked hard. I think there's a fair number of us that would like the job.
Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 12:02 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Jordan at December 14, 2012 12:02 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 12:02 PM (3Y7RV)
if by sin you mean being naughty, yes
TV shows and movies sometimes like to portray murder as something sexy or something gets people horny. I find it hard to believe that is not extremely rare.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 12:02 PM (G/zuv)
Michael Moore
@MMFlint
The way to honor these dead children is to demand strict gun control, free mental health care, and an end to violence as public policy.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM
I have a brilliant idea Mike lets outlaw murder!!!!!
Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 12:03 PM (hl8SI)
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 14, 2012 12:03 PM (R8BMm)
Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 12:03 PM (OlN4e)
Actually, ace has noted several times here that he is misanthropic, which is the secular version of the original-sin "people suck by nature" theme.
Nice of you to bring out your own pet theory though. You're just as bad as John.
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 14, 2012 12:03 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Country Singer at December 14, 2012 12:03 PM (svK4p)
Rick Leventhal doing a stand-up in front of the school, and there's a sign behind him:
Sandy Hook Elementary School
Established 1956
Visitors Welcome
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 12:03 PM (8sCoq)
Banhammer on BvuR1. Sick fuck.
No. Troll bust.
He is anxious to tell us about his skid stained Hello Kitty! panties.
Posted by: fluffy at December 14, 2012 12:03 PM (3SvjA)
Posted by: Heralder at December 14, 2012 03:55 PM (+xmn4)
Anecdotal evidence from a friend of mine after a trip to NYC.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (4df7R)
Oh, in that case, it's lucky that's all they overheard.
Posted by: Heralder at December 14, 2012 12:03 PM (+xmn4)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 12:04 PM (oQmCC)
Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 12:04 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 12:04 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 12:04 PM (3Y7RV)
It's mobys like Kilgore who need the instant ban stick
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 12:04 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 12:04 PM (MPjT8)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 12:04 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: tennvols87 at December 14, 2012 12:05 PM (pEOD8)
Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 12:06 PM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:54 PM (wwsoB)
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Not to be taking anything away from Ace's post, but the drugs these people may be doing "on a strictly recreational basis" was left out on his list.
Posted by: Soona at December 14, 2012 12:06 PM (1CXqI)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 12:06 PM (6zgse)
Can it be used to make recreational substances? [insert usual rant about how treating me like a criminal when my sinuses hurt hasn't stopped the flow of methamphetamines from Mexico]
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 14, 2012 12:06 PM (/kI1Q)
Fuck with their posts. Do that for a bit and they get huffy and go away on their own
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 12:06 PM (G0eua)
Posted by: guy falle at December 14, 2012 12:06 PM (lB/5N)
Michael Moore
@MMFlint
The way to honor these dead children is to demand strict gun control, free
mental health care, universal health care, higher taxes, ban SUVs, more investment in solar energy, more windmills, nationalize oil companies, and an end to violence as public policy, and a partridge in a pear tree.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 12:06 PM (G/zuv)
Fuck does anything GOOD happen anymore?
That's why we talk about sports. SOMEBODY'S team has to win.
Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 12:06 PM (fsLdt)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 12:06 PM (oQmCC)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at December 14, 2012 12:07 PM (dvRYt)
...take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.
In the wake of horror, overtures to a power grab.
...it begins.
Posted by: T. Hunter at December 14, 2012 12:07 PM (EZl54)
Good gosh, too little information and too many idiots pontificating.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 12:07 PM (oQmCC)
Guaranteed that his family well knew that this character had no boundaries for his acting out, because his act has been building for some time.
This kind of behavior though thankfully rare, fits Justice Stewart's definition of porn, tough to define but you know it when you see it.
I'd be willing to bet that in their awful last moments, this devil's parent's were by far the least surprised of all of today's victims.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 12:07 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:00 PM (LCRYB)
Agreed. That is the POINT of sin. Sin is meant to be seductive; that's how it preys on the soul. And that doesn't mean sexually seductive. It means alluring and engaging to a dark part of our subconscious that wants pleasure without consequence.
One of the problems as I see it is that we've divorced the concept of "sin" from the concept of "morality." Sin is no longer a wicked indulgence (let alone a damning offence); it's become a lifestyle.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 12:07 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 12:08 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 12:08 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: Jollyroger at December 14, 2012 12:08 PM (t06LC)
Ties in with Ace's "theatre" comment. This sicko also tweeted about spending his "Black Ops 3" money. These armored/well-armed shooters are living it, IMHO.
Posted by: eureka! at December 14, 2012 12:08 PM (HPRku)
Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 12:08 PM (LpQbZ)
Sorta, I use it and the Methanol to mix model airplane fuel ;-> Mostly I think it was just because it sounds scary -- nitro anything sounds scary to govt retards.
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 12:08 PM (G0eua)
Today is not the MBM's Finest Hour
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 12:09 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 12:09 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Locarno at December 14, 2012 12:09 PM (f7XGr)
Posted by: Jones
Yes. We know that work marvelously in Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, etc.
Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 12:09 PM (G+Wff)
The book: Terrorism: How the West Can Win (1987) by Benjamin Netanyahu has a good Krauthammer (I think) essay on media and terrorism.
Posted by: fb at December 14, 2012 12:09 PM (JVEmw)
Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 12:09 PM (OlN4e)
Fuck does anything GOOD happen anymore?
Yes it does. Tonight there will be kids hugged and tickled, spoused kissed, presents wrapped, trees trimmed, eggnog spiked and pets cuddled.
Pants removed and goofy stuff typed on the ONT. I almost forgot that part.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 14, 2012 12:10 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 12:10 PM (MPjT8)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at December 14, 2012 12:10 PM (feFL6)
That's good.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 12:10 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 12:10 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 14, 2012 12:10 PM (xjpRj)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 14, 2012 12:10 PM (VtjlW)
And Nigeria has no shortage of mass murder crimes.
I'm certain Africa is the least safe place in the world. Maybe she meant people trying to kill a classroom.
Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 12:10 PM (fsLdt)
Patch exclusive: The man identified in media reports Friday as the shooter has told friends that he thinks his developmentally disabled brother may have committed the crime, Patch has learned.
A close friend of Ryan Lanza who would not be identified told Patch that he spoke to Lanza as Lanza made his way home from work to Hoboken. Lanza also took to his Facebook page to rail against CNN naming him as the suspect in the shooting in Newtown, Conn.
“I’m on the bus home now, it wasn’t me,” Lanza wrote.
http://is.gd/ALZVjF
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 12:11 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: snowcrash at December 14, 2012 12:11 PM (I30qo)
WTF, no one working today?
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 12:11 PM (wR+pz)
At the beginning I thought the Aurora shooter was just doing a pretend to be crazy guy, but it appears he really is nutty like Laughner is.
At the beginning of this one, going after parents, etc, this seems like it is an example of anger in its purist form.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 14, 2012 12:11 PM (n/ubI)
Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 12:11 PM (LpQbZ)
@MMFlint
The way to honor these dead children is to demand strict gun control, free mental health care, and an end to violence as public policy.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM
Mental health care doesn't do jack in most cases, free or not.
End to violence? Hey Fat Man, have a chat with your comrades in Hollywood who make billions from violence, then we'll listen to you for five seconds without laughing at you
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 12:11 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 12:12 PM (2t6Gz)
but hey, his wife has all the answers on how to win again! it's the gays!
Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez, Wishing Everyone Happy Holidays at December 14, 2012 12:12 PM (yAor6)
Time for national online education.
Posted by: T. Hunter at December 14, 2012 12:12 PM (EZl54)
Well, it is hard to beat Hormel pre cooked bacon at Costco. Zap it again for 30 seconds to get it good and crisp.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 12:12 PM (wR+pz)
Barky named off the shooting massacres that have happened this year...like it was some sort of...inventory.
Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 12:12 PM (K4wCe)
Nitromethane can be used to make an explosive. It's also quite explosive on its own under the right conditions.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 14, 2012 12:12 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 12:12 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 12:12 PM (bgzAd)
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 12:13 PM (G0eua)
She broke out in tears in the middle of the store because of the raw emotions of the day and that one random act that helps restore your faith in humanity.
And, shortly thereafter, she paid it forward.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 12:13 PM (UK9cE)
The real answer is there is no f*cking answer. There is no question. Maniacs will be disturbing and unknowable just like the grass will be green and grow.
There is no salve for the pain and destruction they cause. When the mania is widespread and based in an ideology, we can stomp the subscribers and stop the spread. When it's individual and unique, we just have to eat the horror and find some f*cked up way to digest it.
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 14, 2012 12:13 PM (R8BMm)
IT HAPPENS EVERY TIME. The media is so piss poor, it should be a joke.. but it isn't. Right now half the nation is on the edge of their seat to catch what these idiots have to say next.
we'll only see more of that hackery if we go down this road. In a competent world, this would be ideal, but we have people in the media who's mental ability doesn't match their education. They're idiots
Have any of you been involved in a news story? like a local one? I was in a second hand way.. and the newspaper got just about EVERY FACT WRONG. This was a small town thing, too.. so the big stories are so full of fuckery I cannot imagine
Posted by: Obama 'en pee pee at December 14, 2012 12:13 PM (agJFZ)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 12:13 PM (6zgse)
Posted by: 300 dead Mexicans at December 14, 2012 04:09 PM (EZl54)
You've got a lot more dead mexicans to add to your name to be correct about how many have been killed in Mexico due to guns
Posted by: Jollyroger at December 14, 2012 12:13 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 12:13 PM (oQmCC)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 12:14 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 12:14 PM (LCRYB)
I have a diferent perspective on all this....
Not all Men (people) are good by Nature... most have to be trained by Western Society and their upbringing to be good....
A large part of that used to be religion, and the idea that there WAS Ultimate Justice when you die... thus this person would have gone straight to hell, due to killing innocent children and commiting suicide.
That part of societal training is no longer active, nor effective, with the secular society we have become... and when you add in moral relativism where EVERYTHING is equal (its just cultural).... where NOTHING is Right or Wrong, let alone Good or Evil.... there is no check on Amoral behaviour...
This idividual WAS Evil, IMO... and in the balance, I think pointing this out will deter MORE whackos, than it will encourage.... but neither tactic will deter them all....
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 14, 2012 12:15 PM (lZBBB)
I'd like to hear from Bob Costas on the Culture of Italians.
And he killed his parents, so I think we also need to hear about the Culture of Parents.
Come on, people, let's get to the root of the problem here -- Italians ... in families ... do I have to spell it all out for you?
Posted by: Phinn at December 14, 2012 12:15 PM (oFH2D)
The shooter, Adam Lanza, 20, who was carrying his older brother's ID, is confirmed dead and body still inside the schoolHis father was found dead at his home in Newtown
Brother Ryan, 24, is in custody and being questioned
http://tinyurl.com/czv87ov
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 14, 2012 12:15 PM (81UWZ)
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 14, 2012 12:16 PM (GFM2b)
IT HAPPENS EVERY TIME. The media is so piss poor, it should be a joke.. but it isn't. Right now half the nation is on the edge of their seat to catch what these idiots have to say next.
we'll only see more of that hackery if we go down this road. In a competent world, this would be ideal, but we have people in the media who's mental ability doesn't match their education. They're idiots
Have any of you been involved in a news story? like a local one? I was in a second hand way.. and the newspaper got just about EVERY FACT WRONG. This was a small town thing, too.. so the big stories are so full of fuckery I cannot imagine
Posted by: Obama 'en pee pee at December 14, 2012 04:13 PM (agJFZ)
So what you're really saying is the media sucks at their job.
Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 12:16 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 12:16 PM (LCRYB)
@517
First world problem: contagious celebrated narcicissm, untreated mental illness, breakdown of society generally.
I think the post above delves into it. I doubt such persons would be profiled in Nigeria, of course I doubt Nigeria also has the "everyone gets a trophy" mentality. What is the suicide rate in Nigeria?
Posted by: Jollyroger at December 14, 2012 12:16 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 12:16 PM (0Ufr+)
Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 12:16 PM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 12:16 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: naturalfake at December 14, 2012 12:17 PM (54vf8)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 12:17 PM (oQmCC)
Posted by: tennvols87 at December 14, 2012 12:17 PM (kQl8p)
is Ryan, 24, the same Ryan Lanza who was tweeting 'shut the fuck up, it wasn't me" to people today?
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 12:17 PM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 12:17 PM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 12:17 PM (0Ufr+)
Imagine how much better our society/culture would be if we reported the positive more than the negative...
Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 04:11 PM (LpQbZ)
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Yep...but as Ace mentioned above...."evil sells".
The word 'evil' is even used as a compliment these days.
So is the word 'wicked'.
Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 12:17 PM (K4wCe)
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 14, 2012 04:16 PM (GFM2b)
Me too!!!! Even got to munch the carpet a bit.
Good times.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 12:17 PM (UK9cE)
Why them? I'd guess that he wanted society to hate the woman who brought him to the school, who made it possible for him to get past security, with a white hot anger. He'd want the press to investigate her life, interview her neighbors, turn her into the focus of the investigation.
Which I surmise is going to happen. He gets the reward he wants, because I would suspect there's something there he wants to be discovered.
What's the answer to that?
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 14, 2012 04:10 PM (feFL6)
Yes , looks like killing the children had something to do with his relationship to his mother. She cared for them but not for him? Envy.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 12:17 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 12:18 PM (6zgse)
It was someone else's fault. Demons are crafty.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 14, 2012 12:18 PM (G0eua)
Any summer weekend in Chicago, for instance.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 14, 2012 12:18 PM (/kI1Q)
I believe her point was that such violence usually has a specific motivation behind it- political rivalry, sectarian / tribal conflicts, criminal gangs, civil war, etc.
This wasn't motivated by any sort of conflict against the kids or profit. It was killing for the sake of killing and a narcissistic desire for attention in the aftermath.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 14, 2012 12:18 PM (SY2Kh)
The shooter's father may have come back to life.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised. The media outlets have been awful with this story.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 12:18 PM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Andy at December 14, 2012 12:18 PM (C/NnJ)
You must live in my town.
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 14, 2012 12:18 PM (R8BMm)
It's entirely possible that he had his brother's ID because they look alike and that's how he buys booze.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 14, 2012 12:18 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Peter at December 14, 2012 12:19 PM (gLfEN)
I think what Chick de Africa is saying is individual nutters don't go shoot up places there
groups motovated by religion(read, islam) or politics go kill a bunch of people
Posted by: jake in ID at December 14, 2012 12:19 PM (W6iIX)
they said there was 2 shooters
said the father was dead; now backing off that
MISIDENTIFIED the alleged shooter; now it looks like it was a younger brother
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 12:19 PM (8sCoq)
“I’m on the bus home now, it wasn’t me,” Lanza wrote.
http://is.gd/ALZVjF
Posted by: Jones in CO
To the lawerly morons here - does he have a case to sue whoever reported this first?
Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 12:19 PM (G+Wff)
And, shortly thereafter, she paid it forward.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 04:13 PM (UK9cE)
Good for her. Reminds me of the Chic fil a day. I paid for the guy behind me's meal, and the lady started smiling. She said half the people in the line are doing the same thing and they were having a hard time keeping up with who had paid or been paid for.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 12:19 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Christmasghost at December 14, 2012 12:19 PM (GWxXv)
Any summer weekend in Chicago, for instance.
Not since Mayor Rahm told them to take that shit into the back alleys.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 12:19 PM (G/zuv)
And the children have mothers, who probably all feel pretty shitty tonight.
Can't make his own mother miserable when she's dead, so he'll make other mothers miserable. There's probably a fancy word for that.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 14, 2012 12:19 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: tennvols87 at December 14, 2012 12:19 PM (kQl8p)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 14, 2012 12:20 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 12:20 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 04:17 PM (NIZHJ)
he was killed but he got better
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 12:20 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 12:20 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 12:20 PM (0Ufr+)
Brother Ryan, 24, is in custody and being questioned
http://tinyurl.com/czv87ov
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 14, 2012 04:15 PM (81UWZ)
I thought his father was found dead in Hoboken?
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 12:21 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 12:22 PM (0Ufr+)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 12:22 PM (bgzAd)
Oh. Dear. God.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM (VtjlW)
Fox said that Adam(the shooter) was carrying Ryan's ID.
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 12:22 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 12:22 PM (oQmCC)
The slaughter of childern is so common that it doesn't even get reported much.
Of course, that may have something to do with the killers, those guys in the "Religion of Peace".
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 12:22 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Mrs. McConnell at December 14, 2012 12:23 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 12:23 PM (6zgse)
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:21 PM (X6akg)
Fox reporting the father may not be dead
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 12:23 PM (8sCoq)
Except me. I've got it completely right. I'm a Blogger.
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:16 PM
For some reason, the "Dragnet" theme popped into my head when you said that
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 12:23 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 14, 2012 12:23 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Adriane at December 14, 2012 12:24 PM (gh+mp)
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 12:25 PM (UK9cE)
I can go with money in my pocket, and see a psychiatrist today. Buy a rifle of any type in Connecticut? Not so much.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 14, 2012 12:25 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:24 PM (G/zuv)
Let's bring them all back..
Posted by: Kiss Kiss Bang Bang at December 14, 2012 12:25 PM (/YJYi)
I think NBC cracked that one first.
The media IS NOT the news.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 12:25 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 12:26 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 12:26 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 12:26 PM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM (LCRYB)
I see your point... but the question then becomes how you tailor the narrative to effect the MOST who may need said messege...
I would say MOST people still believe in some higher power. If EVERY Religious or philisophical leader came out with the idea that this was Evil, and TALKED about it... it would get to 'most'...
Now there is the subset of whackos that you describe... and I like you idea of calling them pathetic losers....
But why not a Pathetic Loser who is going straight to Hell?
Best of both worlds? Get both subsets with the messege?
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 14, 2012 12:26 PM (lZBBB)
I think NBC cracked that one first.
The media IS NOT the news.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 04:25 PM (aZ6ew)
Yeah, how IS Richard Jewel getting along these days?
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 12:26 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 04:25 PM (UK9cE)
That's funny....FOX just reported the mother was killed at her home in Newtown.....and 'someone' is dead in Adam's apt/home.
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 12:26 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 12:26 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:24 PM (G/zuv)
the mother remains dead at this time, pending MSM updates/walk-backs
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 12:26 PM (8sCoq)
Barky named off the shooting massacres that have happened this year...like it was some sort of...inventory.
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I noticed that. A more cynical person might say, 'boy there sure are a lot of mass shootings on this gun grabber's watch".
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 12:27 PM (MPjT8)
Posted by: gw mclintock at December 14, 2012 12:27 PM (qwUGR)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 12:27 PM (0Ufr+)
Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 12:27 PM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:21 PM (X6akg)
Fox reporting the father may not be dead
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:23 PM
Since the media is wildly speculating I will too about how this tragedy could be avoided.
The killer's mother was in CT working. The father in NJ. Well its pretty clear to me his parents were divorced. Lets ban divorce!!!!111!!!
Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 12:27 PM (hl8SI)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 04:22 PM (0Ufr+)
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Per FNC: Average cost of a house in that neighborhood - $400,000
Average income per household: $111,000+
Posted by: Soona at December 14, 2012 12:27 PM (1CXqI)
So the mother is possibly dead. So is Adam Lanza, who might be developmentally disabled. And Adam used weapons registered to the mother. Wiped out the school office before going to a classroom. Ryan Lanza is apparently alive and saying its not me. And now it appears the father might still be alive.
But its all subject to change.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 12:27 PM (oQmCC)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 12:27 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM
U Signùri rùna ‘u viscuottù a cu nun’ avi rienti
(God gives biscuits to those with no teeth)
Posted by: Ace's Consigliere at December 14, 2012 12:27 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Everyone was like you gotta see this movie! I thought it was ridiculous. And I like ridiculous, but it was just dumb.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 12:27 PM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 12:27 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 12:27 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 12:27 PM (6zgse)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 14, 2012 12:28 PM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 12:28 PM (0Ufr+)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 12:28 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 14, 2012 12:29 PM (XkWWK)
592 Someone is dead in the father's house. It's not the dad.
This is what is still foggy...
Trace Gallegher on Fox just said that there is someone who is dead in Hoboken...at the older brother Ryan's appartment.
And it is not Ryan.
Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 12:29 PM (K4wCe)
But its all subject to change.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM
Can't anybody here report this story !!!!!
Posted by: Casey Stengel at December 14, 2012 12:30 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: jaimo at December 14, 2012 12:30 PM (ulzt7)
That's a new one. Shame, decency, and any sense of decorum and humanity, totally gone. They're not even hiding it anymore.
Posted by: Filly at December 14, 2012 12:30 PM (4DXae)
Posted by: Jack at December 14, 2012 12:30 PM (7us0J)
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:27
Wait the Ryan who wasnt the school shooter did kill his girlfriend?
Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 12:30 PM (hl8SI)
The common factor of every divorce is marriage. Ban that.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 14, 2012 12:30 PM (/kI1Q)
Haven't had time to read the latest comments but...
"The AP has already dubbed it "the worst school tragedy in American history."
WRONG again. The worst involved no guns. A bomb was used. A long time ago.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 14, 2012 12:30 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: LGoPs at December 14, 2012 12:30 PM (4x8W0)
@578
Not to offend, but I think that's partially because Nigerians by in large aren't as high on Maslows hiarchy of needs. People that do shootings like this are usually quite comfortable so that the other motivations you mentioned (food, property, etc.) aren't needed. This kind of killing is all about the big ME.
Posted by: Jollyroger at December 14, 2012 12:30 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 14, 2012 12:30 PM (q177U)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:26 PM (G/zuv)
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Yup. And for a long time.
Posted by: Soona at December 14, 2012 12:31 PM (1CXqI)
#564 Yep, apparently the younger brother was the shooter but had the older brother's ID on him, so the cops initially told reporters it was the wrong brother.
I'm guessing he borrowed the ID on the pretext of buying some booze but really wanted it to buy ammo.
Some are saying Ryan is in custody but if it's the Facebook guy he was posting that he was on his way home from work. So that is fuzzy.
Posted by: rockmom at December 14, 2012 12:31 PM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (hl8SI)
No one said that.....just that she's missing....which could be wrong to at this point.
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 12:31 PM (X6akg)
The audience shouldn't indulge him by considering him in the terms he prefers.
And yet....here we are.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at December 14, 2012 12:31 PM (L7hol)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 12:31 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 12:31 PM (NIZHJ)
Yeah, how IS Richard Jewel getting along these days?
He died a couple years ago. Not in the greatest of health.
Posted by: fluffy at December 14, 2012 12:31 PM (3SvjA)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 12:32 PM (MPjT8)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 14, 2012 12:32 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 12:32 PM (ZPrif)
I'd argue that whatever you choose to call that, it's not treatable, aside from extermination.
That is the very darkest possible shade of humanity.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 12:33 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: dantesed at December 14, 2012 12:33 PM (GmsM/)
We are in the we don't know what we don't know stage.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 12:33 PM (oQmCC)
The person can go from functional - school, work, girlfriend -- to psycho killer fairly quickly.
Really? And this happens frequently?
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 12:33 PM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 12:34 PM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 14, 2012 12:34 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 12:34 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 14, 2012 12:34 PM (XkWWK)
Doesn't change the horror. But horror is not new.
Posted by: Just sayin at December 14, 2012 12:34 PM (EZl54)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 12:34 PM (0Ufr+)
If you walk into a police station or hospital and state you got a bunch of guns and ammo at home and feel like you're gonna go postal any moment and need to be stopped, you aren't gonna be sent home.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 14, 2012 12:34 PM (G0eua)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 12:34 PM (G/zuv)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 12:35 PM (6zgse)
Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 04:31 PM (NIZHJ)
No. Not if they are honest filling out the form.
Posted by: Jollyroger at December 14, 2012 12:35 PM (t06LC)
Barky named off the shooting massacres that have happened this year...like it was some sort of...inventory.
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I wish that their was someone in the media or politician with some balls to start naming all of the victims of gun violence in Chicago, all of the MS-13 gang (illegal Salvadoreans) violence in Los Angeles, etc. I am so sick of this guy getting away with this.
And Mooch comes out and talks about how there was so much voter supression this election, and "not truth-telling", and the Republicans spent so much money, on and on.
These people have no shame and should particulary keep their mouths shut today.
Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 12:35 PM (G+Wff)
Posted by: tennvols87 at December 14, 2012 12:35 PM (kQl8p)
Posted by: dantesed at December 14, 2012 04:33 PM
That was James Brady who was reported dead but was still alive in the emergency room. His wife is gun control fanatic Sarah Brady
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 12:35 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Andy at December 14, 2012 12:35 PM (C/NnJ)
Ace, your prescription is flawed in one key way: ridiculing these murderers only works ex post facto, which assumes that humiliation is a deterrent. But by your own acknowledgement, humiliation isn't a deterrent, *it's the motivating factor*. Calling these murderers names in the hopes the next one won't kill someone is foolish, as the next one will simply say, "Oh yeah? I'LL SHOW YOU", and go ahead and prove it. Rationality does not work with the insane... that's why we call them the insane.
Posted by: Disagree at December 14, 2012 12:36 PM (JpC1K)
Posted by: UGAdawg at December 14, 2012 12:36 PM (WYOrt)
No, the Adam who was the shooter killed his own girlfriend, who was mistaken for his father.
I can see how that happened, though. She must have been carrying Mr. Lanza's ID.
Posted by: Phinn at December 14, 2012 12:36 PM (oFH2D)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 12:36 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 12:36 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: Andy at December 14, 2012 12:36 PM (C/NnJ)
Posted by: whobewut at December 14, 2012 12:36 PM (W5c4e)
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:31 PM (LCRYB)
We have an old family friend who is a psychiatrist.
He is against the death penalty except for those who act out of some psycho-pathological basis.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 14, 2012 12:36 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 14, 2012 12:36 PM (nZvGM)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 14, 2012 12:37 PM (jucos)
Well, I'll bet this "mentally ill" shooter was a h.s. grad and probably had a few college credits.
He might've had some issues with anger and depression, but he had all his faculties, I'm guessing.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 12:37 PM (G/zuv)
Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 12:37 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 14, 2012 12:37 PM (Ec6wH)
so who is dead at the mother's house
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 12:37 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 12:37 PM (wsGWu)
Like I say, he's the gun trying to outrun the ball of flame, the big bomb, behind him. Or the one who dies in Act 3.
Media: don't give it to him!
Posted by: PJ at December 14, 2012 12:38 PM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 14, 2012 12:38 PM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (q177U)
Libs will try.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 14, 2012 12:38 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 14, 2012 12:38 PM (GVxQo)
Well then it clearly never happens.
That's a stupid conclusion, Andy. Why do you say that? Because I sure didn't say it or even infer it. You said it.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 12:39 PM (G/zuv)
when you say "it's become a lifestyle," surely you're not postulating a time when this was not true.
When I say "it's become a lifestyle," I mean that it's become an accepted option in our culture. Once upon a time the Marquis de Sade was frowned upon. Today, people walk through San Francisco in fetish gear with ball gags in their mouths and we're not allowed to express our disgust because that's considered BAD.
It has nothing to do with being Christian. It's about having some basic human decency and respect for your fellow man. I don't want to sit somewhere that has just been sat upon by a naked fat man, even if the naked fat man thinks it's his right to sit there and I shouldn't be oppressing him with my desire that he be clothed. When all we care about is satiation and indulgence of our own selfish desires, then we lose interest in the sanctity of the lives and desires of those around us.
When Tiny Dick Babykiller decided to kill these people, he did it out of selfishness. He did it because of envy, or anger, or hate, or any of the deadly sins. He let himself be controlled by his own selfish desires. THAT is what I mean when I blame degraded culture and bankrupt society for horror shows like this. When there is no solid moral code that forces individuals to subsume some of their selfishness in order to live harmoniously with those around them, then you end up with untethered people who have no idea how to act in a civilized world.
"Thou shalt not kill" isn't just some religious claptrap. It's the basis of pretty much every law and code of behavior in every civilized nation. It just happens to also be in the Bible, too. Aristotle preached moderation in all things; he wasn't a Christian warning against sin. These things are not based in any religion, and adherence to them has nothing to do with being religious. It's about being a decent human being.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 12:39 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 12:39 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 14, 2012 12:39 PM (G0eua)
Welcome to America 2012
Thanks to the Frankfurt School for just about all of it.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 12:39 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 14, 2012 04:38 PM (GVxQo)
a stepfather then?
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 12:40 PM (8sCoq)
....and many of the killers will be outlaws using guns to kill people....guns that they have obtained illegally, and now they know they have free rain because no one else has guns...I won't be there to protect your liberal ass. (case in point, in the 70's gun control activists put signs on their front yard, "gun free house", they were all taken down within two weeks, because all the houses had been robbed at gunpoint).....when criminals know you don't have guns they will be more brazen and come after those who do not have them.
The liberal nihilist amoral society without "shame" as mentioned above is the real reason for today's carnage.
Posted by: John Stark Die at December 14, 2012 12:40 PM (PALjS)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 12:40 PM (oQmCC)
Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 12:41 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 12:41 PM (0Ufr+)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 12:41 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: tennvols87 at December 14, 2012 12:41 PM (kQl8p)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 04:39 PM (ZPrif)
But was she still good in the sack?
Posted by: typical disgusting Moron at December 14, 2012 12:41 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 14, 2012 12:41 PM (G0eua)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 12:42 PM (MPjT8)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 14, 2012 12:42 PM (VtjlW)
Thanks, I had trouble trying to remember his name. He was visibly upset when info came in that Brady was still alive not dead as reported earlier in the day.
Posted by: dantesed at December 14, 2012 12:43 PM (GmsM/)
Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 04:37 PM (wsGWu)
Yeah, right when they put on the wedding ring....
/runs out fo the thread
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 14, 2012 12:43 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at December 14, 2012 12:43 PM (5qkWa)
His self righteous bullshit pushes my angry button. I just want to scream STFU AND GO AWAY.Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 12:44 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Douglass at December 14, 2012 12:44 PM (Vi1ue)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:42 PM (oQmCC)
I didn't disagree with anything he said.....
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 12:44 PM (X6akg)
If we make them small and despised in the eyes of the world, we might get less of this kind of crap. It is definitely worth the experiment.
Posted by: Shame Them at December 14, 2012 12:44 PM (w+4Xb)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 12:44 PM (oQmCC)
Posted by: Jehu at December 14, 2012 12:44 PM (cSD32)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:44 PM (oQmCC)
And I don't disagree with you either....not a Huckabee fan.
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 12:45 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 12:45 PM (0Ufr+)
"Developmentally disabled", my ass. He couldn't get to kill his brother, so he just destroyed his life.
There. Is. No. Hell. Hot. Enough. Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 04:41 PM
Well if there is any grain of truth to this report and Adam killed his brother's GF too. Well prayers for Ryan too.
Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 12:45 PM (hl8SI)
Thanks, I had trouble trying to remember his name.
I remember Frank Reynolds. He was adamant about reporting the facts, nothing more, nothing less. The newsmen of his generation were all generally like that, until Cronkite and Rather came along.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 12:45 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 12:46 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 12:46 PM (3Y7RV)
"No plan survives contact with the enemy."
"Murphy was an optimist."
"Hope for the best, plan for the worst."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 12:46 PM (oQmCC)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:45 PM (8sCoq)
This is what resulted in an inability to think critically. The culture now expects the media to tell it how to think. And it obliges.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 14, 2012 12:48 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 12:49 PM (GBXon)
I'm trying to work and lurk at the same time....and you guys go and ban the troll when I was just finishing up for the day and coming in to trounce him. .I get so pissed at them I can't hold back sometimes, I know we are not supposed to feed the trolls. I was lurking through the comments and kept seeing everyone flaming him....and I'm thinking...if just finish this one more item I can go flame the troll!
Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 14, 2012 12:52 PM (PALjS)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:45 PM (8sCoq)
I taught them everything I knew.
Posted by: Walter Duranty at December 14, 2012 12:53 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: gw mclintock at December 14, 2012 12:53 PM (qwUGR)
Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 12:54 PM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at December 14, 2012 12:55 PM (L7hol)
Posted by: KG at December 14, 2012 12:55 PM (p7BzH)
God walks in all of us, not that we are God but we and he are in a rather co-dependant relationship.
We need god's guidance lest we fuck up his gift and creation and God is desperate in wanting souls to choose to engage in the contrition and devotion necessary to work in His plan.
The train fell off the tracks somewhere.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 12:56 PM (LRFds)
Totally agree with Ace and others. I am all for the public exposing and shaming of this insect's life and have thought something like this has been necessary for a long time. Unfortunately I have never done anything to make it happen.
Subject this asshole's pathetic life to unending mockery and eternal humiliation. I'd like to suggest that after an appropriate period of time, when there are also numerous embarrasing pieces of information known which can form the basis for a very personal rechristening, that his legal name be replaced so that he will only be referenced by his worst photos, his new shame name (e.g. rope pusher, pindick, etc), and a record of his hall of shame loserdom failures excluding details of his horrific crime (other than to note that he committed an atrocity).
Unrelated to my thought about eventually ceasing to use his name, is the caution to make 100% sure that no info about the wrong person gets posted. I know everyone realizes this already, but a reminder can't hurt. I don't know how many identifiers are needed to insure that a mistake isnt made, but it is far more than only name and city. I have traditional, common first and last names and in my own small suburb there are 5 people with the same name as me, including one married to a woman with the same name as my wife. In the medium sized city (~500K) we live adjacent to, there are more than 20 people with the same name as me. Lots of the same for my hometown, college, etc.
Posted by: Prindle at December 14, 2012 12:56 PM (2Ynt1)
Posted by: KG at December 14, 2012 12:58 PM (p7BzH)
Posted by: The MSM at December 14, 2012 01:04 PM (hNXHo)
Posted by: Christmasghost at December 14, 2012 01:05 PM (r2mIz)
I thought Ace's post was excellent. Posted by: gw mclintock at December 14, 2012 04:53
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And his post is the adult response that a responsible media should take. It would be great if someone with connections would take the salient points and concepts of this post and present them to the editors and producers at most of the national media outlets....or perchance, members of congress. I guess I could start by writing to all my members of congress.
Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 14, 2012 01:06 PM (PALjS)
If I were the media, I'd allow myself to get very personal in publishing accounts of these guys. Personal, and nasty.
But thats not what will happen. the media will get personal and nasty with targets of political and cultural opportunity completely unrelated to the shooting.
Talk shows will have one question for Republicans: "Isnt right wing extremism to blame for this shooting, Congressperson X, and why wont you repudiate Rush Limbaugh"?
The same talk shows will have one question for Democrats" "Senator Y, isnt right wing extremism to blame for this shooting and why wont Republicans repudiate Rush Limbaugh?"
the larger issues arising from children murdered by a psycho will somehow escape media notice. those angel kids went straight to heaven and this guy will soon go straight to hell.
Posted by: MikeD at December 14, 2012 01:06 PM (p8QOg)
191 "It is long past the time when we should have armed teachers in every school in the nation."
Why would we want to have a bunch of armed public-sector union thugs around?
Posted by: shifty1 at December 14, 2012 01:15 PM (HzZR2)
Posted by: The Ghost of Flannery O'Connor at December 14, 2012 01:25 PM (mMtFx)
Posted by: Victoria at December 14, 2012 03:08 PM (Gr8tW)
Posted by: zuch at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM (DOMqh)
Shame, guilt, and anger are the spiraling feelings which are part of the depression-aniety cycle. The guy probably acted on the basis of this cycle, many people can suppress or ignore the this spiral but some (including myself) are unable to recognize the dangers.
People can try to shame you or assign guilt to you, but usually it doesn't stick unless you've really done something bad. So in effect, the only true shame is probably only from your own actions. I don't think that "shaming" this killer would have much of a effect, because he, in essence was trying to "one up" his own shame. Other people who achieve his mindset will also act out of a need to "one up" their own shame, so I wouldn't advise wasting timw on shaming the killer, but rather trying to identify the problem.
Posted by: Kyle at December 14, 2012 06:11 PM (GESBM)
Posted by: George LeS at December 15, 2012 07:14 AM (C4s3i)
Posted by: bobp at December 15, 2012 09:58 PM (um9UQ)
Posted by: Gandydancer at December 17, 2012 06:40 AM (n7NRy)
Effing Martin Bashir just showed a video of a Bushmaster .223 shooting all by itself. I watch so you dont have to!
Posted by: t-dubyah-d at December 18, 2012 12:07 PM (WX65W)
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Fox is now reporting 20 children dead.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 10:58 AM (oQmCC)