January 16, 2012

Kindle Review
— Ace

I wanted to give it a couple of weeks because initially I just absolutely loved it. Maybe I was just smitten.

But three weeks later and I still love it.

I got the Kindle Touch with 3G for Christmas. Most of this review applies to any Kindle, but the specific one I'm reviewing is the Touch with 3G. (Clarification: All Kindles are wi-fi and connect to your home wireless. The 3G ones will also plug into the 3G phone system and download your book when on a train or the like. I don't know if this 3G capability is really worth it, because the number of times you're going to want to read a book, and yet have had no notice at all that you should spend the twenty seconds needed to download a book at home, are going to be rare bordering on the nonexistent.)

And with "Special Offers," which is Amazon's right to advertise to you, in exchange for knocking about twenty dollars off the cost of the thing. The advertisments are pretty unobtrusive -- the main thing they do is that when the device powers down, it puts up a full-page ad for something or other, and you can click on it to find out more. When you're actually reading it, though, there aren't any ads.

This is an aesthetic consideration. Is a $20 discount (or so) worth it to have the main page, as you power it up, consist of an advertisment? I can't answer that, of course. I'd prefer to have a selected image in there (I assume that's possible, but I don't know). Then again, it's $20 off. The ads are low-pressure and pretty tasteful; the one that was on there just now was a couple, in silhouette, walking at the edge of a shoreline; a small bit of text placed in the photo's sky promised half-off for some kind of footwear. No further details.

I should note for anyone who doesn't know that the Kindle isn't the Kindle Fire. The Kindle Fire is a tablet, like the iPad. It's a browser and a media player. The screen is like the screen of a computer or phone -- it is a source of light, and beams light at your eyes.

I didn't get that one, because I wanted a pure reader. I didn't want the device blazing light at my eyes like a computer screen; I was specifically looking for something that wouldn't contributed to eye-strain, as I'm on the computer all day and I'm pretty sure it would be bad for my eyes to add an additional hour of book-reading on a computer every day. So note that nothing I'm writing about has to do with the Kindle Fire, which, despite the Kindle name, really is unlike the actual Kindle e-readers.

As a physical object, it's very handsome. The metal around the screen is a handsome dull-gray, maybe gun-metal. Not sure what you'd call the specific color. It's pleasing enough, in an old-world way. (More on that idea -- old-world-- later.)

The screen itself holds about what a paperback page would hold, which is, I think, ideal. What little I know of speed-reading is that you're supposed to take a snapshot of a sentence in one glance; every time you move your eyes along a line of text, it slows you down. I'm not a speed-reader at all, but the page is small enough that you can read every sentence in just two moves of the eye (usually), which means, for me at least, I read faster on the Kindle than on many books.

I really love the "e-Ink" of the screen. I'm not sure how it works, but looking it at it, it looks like there is maybe a very thin membrane, which maybe turns black if electricity runs through it. Behind the membrane is a dull "page," which is somewhere between light gray and cream in color, depending on lighting.

I'm told they did not put a white "page" behind the letters because a darker page with lower contrast supposedly reduces eye-strain. It may also be that color to reduce glare when you're reading outside (and, just to check, I did read it outside; not too much glare). There is no problem at all with seeing the text or anything like that; the black letters jump off the page. I really haven't calibrated my level of eye-strain with the Kindle as opposed to an actual book, except that I suppose sometimes I have gotten it from a book, and, so far, haven't gotten it from the Kindle.

Note that unlike the Kindle Fire, the Kindle's page is unlighted. Completely unlighted. You'll need a light source to read it.

In fact, this is a little something I like: Because the letters aren't on the "page" or background plate, but above it, held in that membrane, they appear to float above the page by just a quarter millimeter or so, if you look closely. You might think that's distracting but you never notice it when you're reading. Every once in a while I give it a close inspection and I note the floating-text effect, though.

I like that. There's something very neat about that, about ink floating just the tiniest smidge of distance off the page. It looks just a little bit magic. But again this is an artifact you don't notice, unless you're looking for it.

The size and shape of the object make it very easy to read, too. I just read the big, fat, tall-paged Citizens by Simon Schama, and I struggled with the book. I mean I physically struggled with it; the prose was clear. It was hard to get it in just the right position to read the thing, and I was much-slowed in reading it as a lot of my time was spent shifting it around on my belly.

And pulling pages back hard to get at those words that curl on the page near the spine.

None of that happens with the Kindle, obviously, the page being perfectly flat, and the device being of an easily manageable size. The physical experience of reading the Kindle -- the romance of the printed book aside -- is simply better than a hard-copy book, in most cases. One spends less time futzing around with the physical thing itself and more time actually reading words.

One of the neatest features of all is an in-board dictionary. Don't know that word you just read? Well here's what you do: Hold your finger on that word. A definition comes up. If it's English, it's in there. (Alas, we're not at the level of perfection yet; there aren't any foreign words and phrases are in the dictionary. Even a somewhat-common word foreign word-- "bocor," or Voodoo witch-doctor -- doesn't pop up in the Kindle dictionary.)

Downloading a full book takes about twenty seconds. The device encourages buying books through ease of doing so, which I suppose is Amazon's master plan.

Here are a few small drawbacks, which hopefully will improve in time:

I'm questioning if the screen itself needs to be so grayish. After being initially delighted with the thing, I began wondering, "Wouldn't it be neat if this thing even more closely mimicked a real book in physical appearance?" I'm not sure about this one, but I think maybe it might make sense to feature a more whitish page, possibly even at the expense of the supposed benefits to the eyes. Aesthetics matter. Or, if you want to keep the page fairly dark, what about a more cream-colored page? They light gray/slight cream page isn't ugly, but it's just not the color you think of when you think of a book.

Weight. Ideally the thing would weight no more than a 230 page paperback detective novel or Baen sci-fi novel. In fact it weights as much as thick book. It's not a problem, really, because it's still as light as many books and lighter than some; but, now having read it a bit, I do start to notice it's a little heavier than I'd like. It's very easy to hold, and thus isn't as heavy as its gross weight might indicate, and of course it can always be set on the chest. Still, to be perfect, it would get closer to the weight of a thin paperback.

Speed of page-turning. A page turn takes less than a half a second on the kindle, maybe a quarter-second. It's a small amount of time, and probably less time than it takes to turn the page of a physical book; but then, you only turn the page of a physical book every other page. This isn't a big deal, but if we're looking for the ideal, a thing that is faster to read than a physical book in every way, I'd like to see that page turn down to a tenth of a second.

More fonts. The default font for the Kindle is very handsome. I like it. It also has a no-serif font to choose, if you hate serifs. That font isn't very nice looking.

I really like the default font. I just wonder why the heck they couldn't install four or six of them. Like, who knows, maybe one night I'm feeling wild and want to read a book in a Times New Roman style of font. Sometimes I live on the edge like that.

By the way, you can scale up the text-size if you like. The graduations of text-size are pretty fine, so you can customize it for your eyes pretty well.

No notebook!!! I'm baffled by this. There is no place to open the Kindle and just start to take notes -- a word you looked up, a thought you had. You can "take notes" inside any actual book on the Kindle, inserting a footnote, like writing in the margins of a physical book, but there is no separate free-standing notebook function, where you could just write something like "postern means a side-door" for general reference, unconnected to any particular book.

The thing holds like 3000 books or something. A "journal" function could easily be added.

The Kindle, despite being techy, actually encourages a Return to the Old Ways. I only read sporadically these last four years, since I turned 19. (Note: This age estimate may be inaccurate.) Now I'm reading more. And I sort of want to take notes in this handy contraption as I'm doing so.

I guess I'm looking for the word "journal" here but I'm afraid if I say that you'll make fun of me. So let's just say "notes."

I was just reading Robert W. McChambers The King in Yellow. He mentioned a wolfskin on the floor, with taxidermy head attached. I thought, "Oh, neat little detail, let me steal that for the thing I'm writing." But I have to write it in a separate pad.

It really would be very convenient to just do it right on the Kindle, as I think of it, without having to open a separate notebook.

Overall, I think this product is great. I had previously groused about older Kindle books still costing between 8 and 10 bucks (or more). I would still grouse about that, but I had thought that the main selling point of the device was simply that if you spent $80 or $120 upfront, you could then make that up in savings of cost of books.

You might end up saving some, overall, with the Kindle, but its real selling point isn't savings, but ease of reading. It just makes reading easier and faster and, in a lot of ways, more enjoyable.

Kindle Cover Review, or the Hunt for the Perfect Cover. You don't need a cover to the Kindle, but after getting the thing, an idea is probably going to pop into your head:

You know what would be neat? What if I could disguise this high-tech thing to make it look just like a plain old book? Wouldn't that make it aesthetically closer to the experience of reading a real book? Wouldn't that just be cool?

I think it's cool. I see a lot of people asking about just this in Kindle forums, so other people think it's cool.

I don't think there's a perfect Kindle cover out there yet. The one I have is pretty good, but pricey, but is so far from perfect I can't recommend it.

I got the sixty-dollar Kindle cover with light. You can get it for 40 bucks without the light.

The cover has some great things going for it. First of all, the Kindle simply snaps in, very securely, into a plastic molded space which perfectly fits the thing. The surrounding rubber provides some shock protection, and also a little bit of grip.

The whole outside is actually leather. I got the "purple," which is really a wine-purple and pretty nice looking. I love the idea of having, as Ron Burgundy said, "Many leather-bound books." Leather feels nice to the touch.

One critically-important design feature is that the cover folds completely behind the thing when open, so you're never holding two leafs, as with a book. That is, you can still just hold it with one hand; when the cover's folded behind, you don't even notice it. The inside of the cover has a different texture, like some kind of mock wool, which is okay as far as touchabliity but not great.

The light feature of the thing just isn't very good. The good part is that the light connects to the Kindle's batter, through two prongs that connect to small plates in the Kindle. You don't even see this. I didn't even understand how this worked at first because there was nothing to hook up or plug in. But when you snap the Kindle into the cover, the prongs touch the plates, and you're all powered up.

But the light itself falls down on the job. It's at the top of the device and swings out, on a little arm, to cast light down on to the page.

It illuminates the top part more than the bottom, which is distracting. Even more distracting is the fact that the light is not hooded at all -- from virtually all angles the light is actually exposed, in direct line of sight to your eye, rather than hidden beneath a hood. (And if the inside of the hood had a sliver reflective paint on it, it could do a better job of casting light down the page.)

When I have the light on, I wind up futzing with the book, holding the bottom of it away from me so that I don't see the light.

In addition, the light is an unattractive white-blue LED light. There's probably nothing they can do about that.

Obviously there are better ways to do this. Given the cost -- sixty bucks-- the light should be great. They might have tucked two small lights into the top and bottom edge of the cover, to light the top and bottom equally, each hooded beneath a curl of plastic so you didn't even see the light. But they didn't.

One last problem with the Kindle cover is an aesthetic one, at least to me. The cover is form-fitting of the Kindle, which is great on the inside. But on the outside -- the actual exterior -- why do the contours still follow the Kindle's shape? Why not a flat-back, like a real book would have?

This isn't a major thing, but I'm talking about what I'd like to see. I'd like to see a cover that effectively disguised the Kindle as a real leather-bound book.

Different covers have these features. But no cover has all the features I'd like to see. The Verso cover looks just like a leatherbound book or journal; pretty good-looking. But it holds the Kindle with four bungi-type cords at the corners, rather than the snap-in, shock-absorbing plastic/rubber mount of the Kindle brand cover.

This British company makes real book covers for the Kindle -- including with titles on the spine, like "Dracula by Bram Stoker" or "Emma by Jane Austen" -- and has some kind of plastic mount for the Kindle to snap into. But I think those are conventional hard-back covers, which aren't leather (and leather is nice), and if those are conventional hard-back covers the front cover won't, can't, flip all the way behind the book to effectively disappear when you want it too.

Another feature missing from the Kindle, which many competitors have, is a pocket to slide your hand into in the cover, so you're not actually holding it; it's just attached to your hand.

So, to me, the perfect cover, which isn't yet available, would be like the Verso, in appearing to be a real book. But it would have, inside, the shock-proof mount for the Kindle, and not just four little bungi-cords holding the book in place.

And if they wanted to get sexy about it, they could copy the KleverKover trick of embossing the leather with the titles of real classic books, like Treasure Island or whatever.

And the light would work like the Kindle's does -- snaps right in, draws power off the Kindle -- but it would be hooded and would illuminate the page evenly.

Since they don't make that product yet, I'd just say to go pretty cheap on a cover until they do.

I'd actually probably just get the Verso cover if I were just buying now. I would miss the shock-proof casing around the Kindle, but the other features would make up for that.

If you're going to get the Kindle cover -- which is pretty good, despite not being great -- consider skipping the light, or just buying a cheap clip-on light from another vendor.

Overall I like the Kindle cover with the light, but for sixty bucks, it really should be better. And the light itself -- which costs 20 bucks right there -- should be much, much better.

Posted by: Ace at 10:38 AM | Comments (271)
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1 That's a mighty Bold Review, Ace!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 16, 2012 10:39 AM (niZvt)

2 Charmin or White Cloud?  Just so long as there's some left when I need it...

Posted by: M. Murcek at January 16, 2012 10:44 AM (ToZXn)

3 If I wasn't addicted to my Apple products I might just run out and buy one, but as it is, we have ( well really my wife ) and iPad1 and we love it. I gave one to my assistant, but her boyfriend got her one also, so it looks like I may get my own. We will see

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 16, 2012 10:44 AM (i6RpT)

4 Honestly, the hardware is unremarkable across all the e-reader ecosystem, and if the software and the vendor don't drive you up the wall, well, good for you.

Posted by: M. Murcek at January 16, 2012 10:46 AM (ToZXn)

5 One of the neatest features of all is an in-board dictionary. Don't know that word you just read? Well here's what you do: Hold your finger on that word. A definition comes up.

This.

I have the Kindle Fire, and have been reading a lot of public domain 19th century stuff lately.  Being able to easily look up words that have long fallen out of use is very, very helpful.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 16, 2012 10:47 AM (SY2Kh)

6 can I get this review on my kindle?

Posted by: Ben at January 16, 2012 10:51 AM (wuv1c)

7

I’m pretty sure you’re gonna poke your eye out with this “Kindle” thing.

Posted by: jwest at January 16, 2012 10:51 AM (FdndL)

8

I know nothing about how a Kindle works (well, I do a bit better now.)

That being said, can you get magazine subscriptions?

Posted by: ErikW at January 16, 2012 10:53 AM (dA8Ib)

9 It's called the Touch?  How long till Apple sues and it's called the Kindle iBooks or something stupid like that.

Posted by: © Sponge at January 16, 2012 10:53 AM (UK9cE)

10 But three weeks later and I still love it.

That's me. The more I use it the more I like. But ace you do need a cover to prevent the unit from getting all beat up and damaged as you carry it around.

Saving money can be dne if you limit yourself to free stuff from Guttenberg and free or cheap stuff from Baen. If you buy from Amazon the new books will be high and the older ones will be the same price as paperbacks. That is unless they are "popular". Then they charge all the market will bear.

And Amazon is sure to note that those prices are set by the publisher, not them. So far Baen has the best deals by far.

Posted by: Vic at January 16, 2012 10:53 AM (YdQQY)

11 6 can I get this review on my kindle?

Posted by: Ben at January 16, 2012 02:51 PM (wuv1c)

You can but it will use up all your storage space.

Posted by: Tami at January 16, 2012 10:54 AM (X6akg)

12 Had mine for a year and a half.  Wonderful.

Downloaded in excess of 20,000 free books to my desktop, got some translation solfware, pdf -> kindle, etc, and just copy and past to the documents directory on the kindle.

You can also email electronic books to Kindle and they will translate them for you, then send them directly to the device.  Or if you don't want to pay the minimal charge for that service, they'll email the translation to you.

I luvs me some Kindle.

Posted by: minuteman (formerly trainer) until Juggy is gone at January 16, 2012 10:54 AM (Rojyk)

13 >>>That being said, can you get magazine subscriptions? I think you can. I don't know 100%. One thing though it's in black and white only, unlike the Kindle Fire, so if you're getting a magazine that prints in color, you're going to lose something there.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2012 10:54 AM (nj1bB)

14 In my opinion, Kindles are the best wood to use to start a fire.

Posted by: Truman North at January 16, 2012 10:54 AM (I2LwF)

15 That being said, can you get magazine subscriptions?

Yes, but you want the color one for that.

Posted by: Vic at January 16, 2012 10:54 AM (YdQQY)

16 This isn't a major thing, but I'm talking about what I'd like to see. I'd like to see a cover that effectively disguised the Kindle as a real leather-bound book


they are somewhat pricey (keep in mind that it's all hand tooled to order) but the quality is top notch
http://www.oberondesign.com/

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2012 10:55 AM (M8yfa)

17

Ace there is a kindle cover with a good working light out there. I can't link to it as I'm at work.

The light comes out from the top right corner. It's perfect.

The only problem with the light covers is that they drain power from the kindle even if you have them off.

Also, keeping wifi on drains the kindle like crazy. Be sure to turn it off when you are not using it.

Posted by: Ben at January 16, 2012 10:57 AM (wuv1c)

18

one night I'm feeling wild and want to read a book in a Times New Roman style of font. Sometimes I live on the edge like that.

I really want to post an awful Aerosmith Song. 

But I won't do it. Consider this one a gift.

Posted by: garrett at January 16, 2012 10:57 AM (MNCju)

19
They light gray/slight cream page isn't ugly, but it's just not the color you think of when you think of a book.





Actually, most books use a cream colored paper, while newsprint is that light gray. Full-on white paper is more of an office copy-paper thing.

The page-turn delay on my Nook was initially annoying, about a half-second. I trained myself to turn pages once I hit the second-to-last line on the page. Later software versions greatly sped up the turn delay so that it's fairly unobtrusive. Either way, it's not a big deal once you adjust.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2012 10:57 AM (XCHGh)

20 Was the extra cost for the wi-fi worth it? I realize you're concerned about being bookless when you're not near your computer/network but, since you can stockpile a few 100 unread books in the kindle, is that really a problem?

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 16, 2012 10:58 AM (ec+Y6)

21 Next week at "Behind The Times," Ace reviews Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, the 1988 Monsters of Rock tour, and onanism.

Posted by: BREAKING NEWS at January 16, 2012 10:59 AM (gVqQ3)

22 Yes, but you want the color one for that.

Posted by: Vic at January 16, 2012 02:54 PM (YdQQY)

Excellent. I find myself reading periodicals more than books nowadays.

Posted by: ErikW at January 16, 2012 10:59 AM (dA8Ib)

23

It's called "kindle leather cover with light".

It's an LED light and works very well with my kindle( I don't have the touch one though)

Posted by: Ben at January 16, 2012 11:00 AM (wuv1c)

24 20 Was the extra cost for the wi-fi worth it? I realize you're concerned about being bookless when you're not near your computer/network but, since you can stockpile a few 100 unread books in the kindle, is that really a problem? Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 16, 2012 02:58 PM (ec+Y6) I guess not really, but it is kind of neat to finish a book in bed and be able to immediately to shop another one without having to get up.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 16, 2012 11:00 AM (niZvt)

25 Wow, I feel like I just read something I wrote myself... I also got a Kindle touch for Christmas, and absolutely love it too. Great product. Is there a way to share socially what people are reading via the Kindle? Like - Ace: reading now...? Might be interesting. For the record, I'm reading the G.R.R. Martin Collection Quadrilliogy, a bunch of classics, The Virtue of Selfishness: Ayn Rand, and a book on web application development...at the same time. And I don't have to lug around my bookshelf. Also, not sure if Ace mentioned, but if you turn off all of the antennas (you usually don't need them unless you are browsing/buying books) the battery life is absolutely mind blowing. I guess however e-ink works, it uses little to no power to keep a screen visible. Only changing the page requires juice. And the Touch has newer technology that allows for only the pixels (if that's what they are) that need to change, to change - whereas the older Kindle additions required refreshing the entire display. You should consider buying this thing. It pretty well dominates. -Adc

Posted by: Adc at January 16, 2012 11:00 AM (VCCe8)

26

>>s the extra cost for the wi-fi worth it?

>>realize you're concerned about being bookless when you're not near your computer/network but, since you can stockpile a few 100 unread books in the kindle, is that really a problem?

It automatically comes with wifi.

at least mine did. It's the 3G you have to pay extra for

Posted by: Ben at January 16, 2012 11:00 AM (wuv1c)

27

 The surrounding rubber provides some shock protection, and also a little bit of grip.

 

Get your freak on little ewok!  don't be ashamed.

Posted by: Note from TSA Agent at January 16, 2012 11:01 AM (MNCju)

28 ace, there is your opening. Publish a blank ebook, titled Notes. .99 to best seller status.

Posted by: Jean at January 16, 2012 11:01 AM (o90mm)

29 Wi-Fi extra cost? Isn't that the default? The 3G is extra cost and so far I have had no call for using the 3G in mine. If you have wi-fi at home that is all you need.

Posted by: Vic at January 16, 2012 11:01 AM (YdQQY)

30 >>>Was the extra cost for the wi-fi worth it? >>>I realize you're concerned about being bookless when you're not near your computer/network but, since you can stockpile a few 100 unread books in the kindle, is that really a problem? I doubt it's actually worth it, unless you're like me, an idiot who absolutely cannot see the next hour coming.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2012 11:01 AM (nj1bB)

31 Of course after the zombie apocalypse, you won't be able to charge the batteries, all that bookage is lost, and where's your god now?

Posted by: dicentra at January 16, 2012 11:01 AM (AIGFR)

32 In addition, the light is an unattractive white-blue LED light. There's probably nothing they can do about that.

You're welcome.

Posted by: Congress at January 16, 2012 11:01 AM (ZKzrr)

33 Shouldn't your Amazon links go to "your Amazon page"?

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at January 16, 2012 11:04 AM (xMU3a)

34

I am torn, I kinda want the older model w/the keyboard.

Posted by: garrett at January 16, 2012 11:04 AM (MNCju)

35 One thing I think all of you are forgetting....

When the Zombie Apocalypse comes, where will you get the power to recharge your high-falutin' gadgets, huh?

I'll just stay with the good, old-fashioned paper versions, thank you very much

*reaches for glasses....

Oops....

Posted by: Henry Bemis at January 16, 2012 11:05 AM (gCa4h)

36 oh and the ads can be pretty good on an occasion like $20 giftcard at Amazon for $10

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2012 11:05 AM (M8yfa)

37 damn you, dicentra

Posted by: Henry Bemis at January 16, 2012 11:06 AM (gCa4h)

38 Call me an old fogey.  I'll take my books over electronic whizbangs any day.  What I haven't heard is the electonic lifetimes of the Kindle.  What happens when one is reading, "...and she pulled out his turgid, throbbing"(screen blanks out or freezes).

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2012 11:07 AM (lDaH4)

39 I take it it has some kind of on-screen keyboard for entering text. How quickly does that respond?

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 16, 2012 11:07 AM (q8xaf)

40 Ace - did you notice that that company that sells the book bindings (Dracula, etc) sells fake book cases?  like, the kind that swings out to put a hallway/murder room/ panic room / etc behind?  I've never actually seen a company advertise they make those.

Posted by: VU Law at January 16, 2012 11:07 AM (duvQE)

41 I second the plug for Oberon Designs covers.  I bought one last year for my Nook Color.  It is still lovely and is only just getting a nice patina from constant use.  My Nook has dropped a couple of times, neither my Nook nor my cover were at all damaged. 

Plus, and this was the main reason I got it, they are really pretty and NOT plastic.  The leather is thick and the color is true, the patterns are gorgeous.

http://www.oberondesign.com/E_Reader_Sleeve.php

Posted by: Vivian Louise at January 16, 2012 11:08 AM (1uFeJ)

42 One of the things I don't like about eBooks is that you cannot read them during take-off and landing.

Posted by: wiserbud at January 16, 2012 11:08 AM (gCa4h)

43 I take it it has some kind of on-screen keyboard for entering text. How quickly does that respond?

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 16, 2012 03:07 PM (q8xaf)


it's okay, it's like a slower keyboard from Apple's stuff

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2012 11:09 AM (M8yfa)

44

>>I am torn, I kinda want the older model w/the keyboard.

I love it. It's lighter, smaller and cheaper.  I don't know if Kindle still makes them though. They seem to have phased out the keyboard.

Posted by: Ben at January 16, 2012 11:09 AM (wuv1c)

45 Wait - those are the sleeves, NOT what I got. 
http://www.oberondesign.com/nook.php

Posted by: Vivian Louise at January 16, 2012 11:09 AM (1uFeJ)

46 I was just reading Robert W. McChambers "The King in Yellow." However, in the end, you will be mine.

Posted by: Howard P. Lovecraft at January 16, 2012 11:09 AM (AZGON)

47 42 One of the things I don't like about eBooks is that you cannot read them during take-off and landing.

Isn't that time devoted to prayer for the pilot?

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at January 16, 2012 11:10 AM (xMU3a)

48 >>>33 Shouldn't your Amazon links go to "your Amazon page"? good idea, I think I've now done that.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2012 11:10 AM (nj1bB)

49 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 16, 2012 11:10 AM (8y9MW)

50 Kindle?  never heard of it....

Posted by: Charles Gibson at January 16, 2012 11:10 AM (Mrdk1)

51 O/T:

Santorum says Obumblefuck destroys Romney in November.

(CNN Link; H/T WZ)

Posted by: © Sponge at January 16, 2012 11:11 AM (UK9cE)

52 As someone with a Kindle Fire (who also works on a computer all day) I can tell you that the Fire doesn't add any eye-strain.  Not in reading mode, anyway.  I can read an e-book for hours without problem.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 16, 2012 11:11 AM (8y9MW)

53

Posted by: Ben at January 16, 2012 03:09 PM (wuv1c)

 

They had sold out at the local Best Buy over christmas...haven't been back to see if they had any more in stock.

 

Posted by: garrett at January 16, 2012 11:11 AM (MNCju)

54 >>> Ace - did you notice that that company that sells the book bindings (Dracula, etc) sells fake book cases? like, the kind that swings out to put a hallway/murder room/ panic room / etc behind? I've never actually seen a company advertise they make those. Yup. Love it. Re: Oberon, yeah, I saw that. it's too specific for me. too lord of the rings. they don't have the shock-moutning either, right?

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2012 11:12 AM (nj1bB)

55 AllenG.... what about a pron mode?

Posted by: Yip in Texas at January 16, 2012 11:12 AM (Mrdk1)

56 Does Valu-rite advertise on Kindle?

Posted by: Yip in Texas at January 16, 2012 11:13 AM (Mrdk1)

57 what about a pron mode?

yeah that's pretty...

wait.  I mean. Umm... I wouldn't know about that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 16, 2012 11:13 AM (8y9MW)

58

 what about a pron mode?

 

Just slip it inside a Ziploc.

Posted by: garrett at January 16, 2012 11:14 AM (MNCju)

59

The text to speech function is fun to play with as well--I use it when I'm working and bored with listening to music.  It's not perfect (misreads Roman numerals as letters) but it's a great way to multi-task.

Posted by: Shandiss at January 16, 2012 11:14 AM (EjPS5)

60 Wait - those are the sleeves, NOT what I got. 
http://www.oberondesign.com/nook.php

Posted by: Vivian Louise at January 16, 2012 03:09 PM (1uFeJ)



If you're anywhere in public with a Nook and those covers, you'll be relieved of your product quite rapidly, I would think.

No such thing as personal property in the age of Obama.

Posted by: © Sponge at January 16, 2012 11:14 AM (UK9cE)

61 Isn't that time devoted to prayer for the pilot?

heh heh heh....

When I get upgraded, it's devoted to drinking as much as possible so I'm fully prepared to go screaming through the sky at 35,000 feet in an aluminum tube no thicker than a quarter.

Posted by: wiserbud at January 16, 2012 11:14 AM (gCa4h)

62 Had one for a while but, even after spending hours on the phone with tech support, couldn't get it to stream porn videos.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 16, 2012 11:15 AM (+lsX1)

63
Santorum says Obumblefuck destroys Romney in November.

"I - Sick Rantorum - would lose to obooboo by 12-15 points tops..."

Posted by: M. Murcek at January 16, 2012 11:15 AM (ToZXn)

64 OT-For sidebar:
 In Wisconsin, a Cowbell-Playing-Shirtless-man(TM) was arrested after hitting an officer, but mostly arrested for too much Cowbell.
http://tinyurl.com/7brvyg7

Posted by: MoJoTee at January 16, 2012 11:16 AM (e1kfW)

65 unattractive white-blue LED light

There are many shades of white LED to choose from.  They just chose poorly, or not, depending on the individual customer.  I've worked for some good companies that pay attention to these important cosmetic details but you would be shocked how many times a decision like this is left up to an engineer like me who thinks a red tie looks great with a pink shirt.

Posted by: Bob Saget at January 16, 2012 11:17 AM (SDkq3)

66 I got the Kindle Touch for my Wife for Christmas.
She too wanted a cover that looked like a book. An old book.

A friend of mine had pointed me to a place that makes gorgeous hand tooled leather covers in Marin. Oberon Design.

It is a nice cover, with a spine (to make it book like), although there are many different types.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at January 16, 2012 11:17 AM (Qxdfp)

67 My wife and I got each other his and her Kindle Fire's for X-mas. Haven't touched the PC since. Well worth the price of 200.00 with all the functionality of a tablet and a reader for a  third of the price of an I-pad. For pure entertainement- reading, blogging, surfing, videos etc. it can't be beat 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 16, 2012 11:17 AM (8ieXv)

68 You know the other thing you can do on a kindle (if it has browser support- not all of them do)?  Go to my blog.

Which I would appreciate.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 16, 2012 11:17 AM (8y9MW)

69 Re: Oberon, yeah, I saw that. it's too specific for me. too lord of the rings. they don't have the shock-moutning either, right?

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2012 03:12 PM (nj1bB)


they do make normal looking book covers (personal favorite is Celtic Hounds though Medici is more standard book cover fare). As for mounting, it's bungee straps on the corners. I have the oopsies and of all the drops my kindle, ipad and fire has had, no damage so far.

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2012 11:17 AM (M8yfa)

70 damn you, dicentra

I get that a lot.

Posted by: dicentra at January 16, 2012 11:18 AM (AIGFR)

71 what about a pron mode? You remember all those black wedge clipboard thingies with blinkenlights the yeoman was always giving me to read? Yeah. Kindle III Mark 70, with 3-D privacy displays. I kept mine loaded with 100 terabytes of Andorian furry porno. Did you really think I was spending all that time on the bridge reading requisition reports and engineering requests?

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at January 16, 2012 11:18 AM (AZGON)

72 For pure entertainement- reading, blogging, surfing, videos etc. it can't be beat

It sucks for authoring content (writing a blog post, for example), but if you're just consuming content, or (at most) commenting on a blog, it's very nice.

I actually like it a lot for TV shows and such, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 16, 2012 11:19 AM (8y9MW)

73 finally, a football thread

Posted by: soothie at January 16, 2012 11:19 AM (Y4TdB)

74

I just like the feel of a real book, turning the pages, the musty smell of an old, yellowed book that has been on the bathroom shelf since 1983.....

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 16, 2012 11:21 AM (YmPwQ)

75 the musty smell of an old, yellowed book that has been on the bathroom shelf since 1983..... There is a market for a weather-sealed, spill-proof Kindle.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at January 16, 2012 11:22 AM (AZGON)

76 My wife and I got each other his and her Kindle Fire's for X-mas. Haven't touched the PC since.

Yeah, pretty much the same here.  For checking e-mail and light web surfing I end up using the Fire from the comfort of my couch.

After having built my overclocked PC with a new video card, I don't use it that much anymore between the Fire and quitting WoW.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 16, 2012 11:23 AM (SY2Kh)

77

“New X-Ray feature lets you look up characters, historical figures, and interesting phrases.”

 

OK, if IÂ’m interpreting this correctly, it would be helpful.  When reading mystery thrillers with 4 subplots and a dozen characters and especially if there is a pause of a few days between chapters, it would be nice to hit a function when you have a “who the fuck is this” moment.

Posted by: jwest at January 16, 2012 11:23 AM (FdndL)

78 what about picture quality?  I read a lot of histories and bios and I'm always turning to the photo section in the middle to remind myself what someone looked like, or if I think he looks like the author says.

I agree about background color.  I like it as white as practical, like the BG here at ASOHQ.

Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at January 16, 2012 11:24 AM (GdalM)

79 The Fire's pretty cool.

The iPad is better.

Just sayin.

Posted by: Good Lt at January 16, 2012 11:24 AM (vAczv)

80 I just like the feel of a real book, turning the pages,

Actually, I've found that the more I read my Kindle, the less enamored I am of "real" books.  This is especially true when I'm consulting a reference book while working, or if I'm reading while I eat. 

"Real" books always lose my place, or I have to put something (that will inevitably be in my way at some point) in it to hold it open, or whatever.  My kindle will sit there, patiently waiting for me to decide if I wish to go to the next page, or not.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 16, 2012 11:24 AM (8y9MW)

81

I just like the feel of a real book, turning the pages, the musty smell of an old, yellowed book that has been on the bathroom shelf since 1983.....

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 16, 2012 03:21 PM (YmPwQ)

 

I always make sure I've read the page that I tear out to finish my business.

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2012 11:24 AM (lDaH4)

82 OK, if IÂ’m interpreting this correctly, it would be helpful.

You are interpreting it correctly.  Indeed, that's one of the most often cited uses for the feature.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 16, 2012 11:25 AM (8y9MW)

83 >>>Citizens by Simon Schama How can you trust this Obama fellator?

Posted by: mike at January 16, 2012 11:25 AM (WNvlG)

84 72 For pure entertainement- reading, blogging, surfing, videos etc. it can't be beat

It sucks for authoring content (writing a blog post, for example), but if you're just consuming content, or (at most) commenting on a blog, it's very nice.

I actually like it a lot for TV shows and such, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 16, 2012 03:19 PM (8y9MW)

Exactly, i comment here with it all the time, my wife even does her E-bay-ing from it. And yes! It works great for porn!

Love it.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 16, 2012 11:25 AM (8ieXv)

85 30>>> Was the extra cost for the wi-fi worth it?

>>> I realize you're concerned about being bookless when you're not near your computer/network but, since you can stockpile a few 100 unread books in the kindle, is that really a problem?

I doubt it's actually worth it, unless you're like me, an idiot who absolutely cannot see the next hour coming.


Posted by: ace at January 16, 2012 03:01 PM (nj1bB)

The best thing about the 3G for travelers is you can see a book in the airport bookstore and have it loaded on your kindle by the time you reach your gate.  I frickin' love my kindle.  Oh, also I could read moron's posts while on a cruise in the Gulf of Mexico.  Pretty cool.

Posted by: Hedgehog at January 16, 2012 11:26 AM (3jGS1)

86 Oh, also I could read moron's posts while on a cruise in the Gulf of Mexico.

Yeah... when I go on my cruise (probably in March), I don't think I'm going to be thinking of the Morons, much.  I'll have a couple of posts in the can, but otherwise- no politics for me that week.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 16, 2012 11:27 AM (8y9MW)

87 Reading is for pussies.

Dad?

Posted by: wiserbud at January 16, 2012 11:28 AM (gCa4h)

88 A note about the ads.

I bought this exact model for my wife for Christmas (and she too loves it, she had a custom case made for it).  She specifically wanted the one with the ads, because it turns out that some very unique and "only available on the Kindle" deals are offered this way.  Last week it was a $10 off coupon for groceries, as long as you buy $30+ worth of food.

Unless you are purist, paying an extra $20 to get a version without ads is a losing proposition, since you will miss out on some good deals.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 16, 2012 11:30 AM (RI0fC)

89 I have a cover for mine, but I prefer reading it without the cover. It is lighter that way, and page turns are done from either side. The only real problem is lack of books. You may find, as I did, that while one book that an author wrote is available, not all the rest are.

Posted by: I am the walrus, goo-goo-ga-joo at January 16, 2012 11:31 AM (ybkwK)

90 79 The Fire's pretty cool.

The iPad is better.

Just sayin.

Posted by: Good Lt at January 16, 2012 03:24 PM (vAczv)

Yeah, probably is, esp if you want to do more serious corn-putin but for the price and functionality you get a lot of bang for your buck.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 16, 2012 11:31 AM (8ieXv)

91 ...also I could read moron's posts while on a cruise in the Gulf of Mexico. Again, there is a market for a waterproof Kindle. Especially in the Tyrrhenian Sea.

Posted by: Captain Francesco Schettino at January 16, 2012 11:31 AM (AZGON)

92 I use this little clip on light I got at Ikea.  It is not white at all, more of a real lightbulb color. 3 leds, uses 1 battery, and I can't find it online.  Oh well.

I can read longer on the Kindle than I can on the iPad.  Eyestrain seems to win on the iPad.

Posted by: KF at January 16, 2012 11:32 AM (bXiBp)

93 I can read longer on the Kindle than I can on the iPad.  Eyestrain seems to win on the iPad.

I don't have an iPad.  After getting my Fire, I don't even want one.  There's nothing I'm going to do on a tablet in the first place that I can't do on the Fire.

I fully admit this will not be true for everyone, however.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 16, 2012 11:34 AM (8y9MW)

94

I got the same model of Kindle, 3G touch with ads.  I don't find the ads bothersome at all and I really wanted the 3G because I don't have wireless at home.  I got the "Marware jurni" cover which I really like because of the strap on the backside (when the cover is flipped open completely).  This makes it very easy to read while snuggling a kitteh with my other arm.

Occasionally I have had a book open many many pages past where I remember reading.  I keep wondering if I fell asleep with my fingers on it but I usually set it aside when I feel sleepy, so it's a mystery.

I do notice the page turn time still, but it's not too bad, more odd than anything else.

I keep getting the urge to buy books I already own in Kindle versions just because it would be easier to read them that way.  I will not, I will not, I will not.  Not yet, anyway.

Posted by: Tonestaple at January 16, 2012 11:34 AM (V+wqJ)

95 14

duh

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at January 16, 2012 11:34 AM (Qxdfp)

96 Bought a Galaxy Tab by Samsung. Don't find it to be useful for much of anything. Screen is too small to be of any use to me whatsoever. Same goes for smartphones. My son thought it was cool I got a Crackberry because now I could surf the web. No I can't. Can't see the G-ddamn screen. I can wait until I get home to surf the web. Same goes for e-mail. Oh yeah...... GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 16, 2012 11:37 AM (jucos)

97 Another cool thing: Best customer service ever. My Kindle had a problem, and when I called I got right through to a human who sent me a brand new one after a ten-second conversation. Also, you can assign a different dictionary if you want - Spanish, for example if you're trying to learn that language.

Posted by: Raul Johnson at January 16, 2012 11:39 AM (MiBr0)

98 double post from open thread prior to reading review tonight from a comfy chair.

Am I being unreasonable?
Your on the wrong blog to be reasonable!!!

 Can you use a sockname to register the Kindle and use a
Dunno, ask at mobileread if your still wondering later.

"Count, I don't know how you would get content to your Kindle without registering it. "

I dunno if it will work at all pre-registration but you can move stuff on/off the removable SD cards on the ones that have it.  And you can move stuff to/from a computer via calibre (free e-library manager - must have).

Posted by: DaveA at January 16, 2012 11:39 AM (t/mAc)

99 Wait. What movie is this again?

Posted by: lorien1973 at January 16, 2012 11:40 AM (usXZy)

100

Got a Nook Simple Touch for Christmas.  Love it.  Especially like that I can throw it in my purse and read in the car or in an airport without lugging a bulky book.  The Wifi in it is pretty weak though, at least in my house.  It's very lightweight too.  Was very easy to set up. 

Nooks have several fonts in them.  It is easy to switch, and easy to make the type bigger, which is nice for those of us with huge floaters who can't read normal size type anymore. 

Also you can take your Nook into any Barnes and Noble and read whatever you want for free. Can't do that with a Kindle, obviously.  I've already done this once, and it was fun to browse some books that I was interested in and see if I wanted to buy them. 

Posted by: rockmom at January 16, 2012 11:40 AM (NYnoe)

101 One more thing: If I see a really long article online I want to read, I can copy it to a PDF and email it to my Kindle account and read it on my Kindle (use a big font though).

Posted by: Raul Johnson at January 16, 2012 11:41 AM (MiBr0)

102 The Fire's pretty cool.

The iPad is better.

Just sayin.

And in other breaking news, a BMW is better than a Smart Car.

The question is whether the $500 iPad is two and a half times better than the $200 Fire.  Not for me it isn't.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 16, 2012 11:45 AM (SY2Kh)

103 The e-ink consists of tiny spheres with actual black and white pigments. Negatively charged black in one half, positively charged white in the other half. Electrical current causes the spheres to rotate, exposing the black or white pigment. That's why it reads like real ink. Because it is real ink.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 16, 2012 11:46 AM (QcFbt)

104 sigh.
I'm gonna have to get an e-reader, aren't I?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 16, 2012 11:46 AM (qVUxp)

105 I'm presently working on making a tablet for highschool kids that downloads nothing but cliff notes and movies made from classic books.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 16, 2012 11:47 AM (eFnXz)

106 Fuckin' e-ink, how does it work?

Posted by: Insane e-reader Posse at January 16, 2012 11:47 AM (q8xaf)

107 I got a Nook (simple reader) for Christmas.

Ace is right about e-readers -- I've had the same experience.

The big difference between my Nook and paperbacks is that I tend to read all the words instead of skip-reading and maybe missing an important part.

Whatever e-reader you use, I highly recommend getting calibre as a support program.

Posted by: jwb7605 at January 16, 2012 11:47 AM (Qxe/p)

108

I put mine into a clear plexiglass shell that has a fold up stand on the back which I SHOULD NOT use as a handle but I do because I'm a risk taker.

For a light - I scotch taped a 9 led flashlight to the plexiglass shell, but not really. In the midst of my preparations (scotch tape, 4 bamboo skewers, 3 rubber bands and a big binder clip) my girlfriend bought me a flexible 2 led light online from Amazon. And then we did IT

Posted by: CozMark at January 16, 2012 11:48 AM (HK4Kc)

109 Nooks have several fonts in them.  It is easy to switch, and easy to make the type bigger, which is nice for those of us with huge floaters who can't read normal size type anymore.


What does big boobs have to do with font size?

Posted by: © Sponge at January 16, 2012 11:48 AM (UK9cE)

110 I'd like to take this opportunity to recommend a device that will make the personal computer obsolete.  It's called the abacus, and you use little beads to do calculations.  Using no power its totally green, so you don't have to lay awake at night worrying about Global Warming like I do. 

All my friends in China have switched over to these babies.  Or as we like to call them, 从人得到它的力量的计算机

Posted by: Jon Huntsman at January 16, 2012 11:49 AM (QKKT0)

111 My 3G Kindle has been very handy as an emergency (and free) internet device. It has a web browser in it. I'm cheap and just carry a disposable cell phone for emergencies (like if I drive into a ravine or something stupid.) On a recent trip I got lost and used my Kindle 3G to pull up google maps and get un-lost.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 16, 2012 11:49 AM (QcFbt)

112 The cutesie name Kindle annoys me. It's very Yuppyish. So then why Kindle? Probably because one meaning the word means illuminate (as in light from a 'candle'). Kindle also means litter (of kittens).

Posted by: soothie at January 16, 2012 11:49 AM (LPRBM)

113 What does big boobs have to do with font size?

Posted by: � Sponge at January 16, 2012 03:48 PM (UK9cE)

Mine haven't floated for at least 50 years.

Posted by: Helen Thomas at January 16, 2012 11:50 AM (QKKT0)

114 And, yes, Calibre is a great open source book manager.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 16, 2012 11:50 AM (QcFbt)

115

Mine haven't floated for at least 50 years.

Posted by: Helen Thomas at January 16, 2012 03:50 PM (QKKT0)



I would've thought yours were coming out of your feet by now.


Posted by: © Sponge at January 16, 2012 11:51 AM (UK9cE)

116 I will not, I will not, I will not. 

Yes you will.


Posted by: Tammy al' Thor at January 16, 2012 11:51 AM (SsG4J)

117 "Real" books always lose my place, or I have to put something (that will inevitably be in my way at some point) in it to hold it open, or whatever.  My kindle will sit there, patiently waiting for me to decide if I wish to go to the next page, or not.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 16, 2012 03:24 PM (8y9MW)

 

Sort of like the ideal woman. 

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2012 11:52 AM (lDaH4)

118
That's almost as exciting as watching my neighbor's video of opening gifts on Christmas morning.

Oh look!  Underwear from grandma!

Posted by: Wodeshed at January 16, 2012 11:52 AM (SgLsM)

119 I'm holding out.

For what, I don't know.

Ultra-high contrast color e-ink, I guess, and a screen a bit bigger than letter size paper for when I want to play from sheet music.

Posted by: fb at January 16, 2012 11:52 AM (/cFW6)

120 Occasionally I have had a book open many many pages past where I remember reading.  I keep wondering if I fell asleep with my fingers on it but I usually set it aside when I feel sleepy, so it's a mystery.

Heh heh heh.  Gotcha.

Posted by: Teh Kitteh at January 16, 2012 11:53 AM (ZKzrr)

121 I got the 2nd-generation Kindle as a self-defense Father's Day gift a few years ago (I kept using my wife's) and here are the things I like about it: - It only does one thing and does it superbly: function as a reader. I don't want a tablet. For mobile computing I use my phone or laptop if it's a long trip. - No fees overseas. I moved to Canada 18 months ago and shopping for and downloading books over the cellular network (Whispernet) costs NOTHING. That's a good fuckin' deal. - Easy on the eyes. Like Ace said, I work at a computer all day and the last thing I want when reading for pleasure is more brilliant white pixels firing into the pain receptors of my retina. What I don't like: - It is not as soft as a paper book if you need to wipe yourself in a pinch. However, it cleans up with a damp, lint-free cloth, which you cannot do with a paperback. I'm calling this one a tie.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 16, 2012 11:54 AM (XE2Oo)

122 I really hope they figure out color e-ink soon. They've been hinting at it for years but no products yet. There is the Mirasol tech which is impressive, but seems to have hit a ceiling. It's based on butterfly wings and that weird shimmering color effect they have. Plus side, it's a low-power e-ink style way to make color. Downside, they can't quite get rid of the shimmering effect. Which is annoying. Apparently there are some actual Mirasol based readers being released in Korea and Japan. Cause East Asians are weird like that.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 16, 2012 11:54 AM (QcFbt)

123 Yep, the first day I used mine I knew I was never buying another tree-based book.

Posted by: TallDave at January 16, 2012 11:57 AM (/s1LA)

124 How is the Kindle with library books, now?  Have the newer models adopted some of the more common library lending protocols, yet?

Posted by: grognard at January 16, 2012 11:57 AM (NS2Mo)

125 Kindle is impressive. I still want it bigger, lighter, and in color. I want a full page of music and be able to read comic books on it. For what it is, it's a pretty amazing piece of tech.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 16, 2012 11:57 AM (QcFbt)

126 Does teh Kindle float? They might be cheaper than life boats or competent navigators. Just sayin'. What?

Posted by: Carnival Cruise Line bean counter at January 16, 2012 11:57 AM (ELPgk)

127 There's a racist debate tonight in which all the racist Republican candidates will be participating. Only if one hates black people would one participate in a debate on this sacred day for blacks.

Posted by: soothie at January 16, 2012 11:58 AM (j7IJ7)

128 A lot of libraries lend Kindles now. The selection isn't great yet, but I can usually find something I want to read. After two weeks it disappears though (but you can check it out again).

Posted by: Raul Johnson at January 16, 2012 11:59 AM (MiBr0)

129 Apparently there are some actual Mirasol based readers being released in Korea and Japan. Cause East Asians are weird like that.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 16, 2012 03:54 PM (QcFbt)




Hey!!!  I wesent that wemawrk.

Posted by: Some Asian Guy at January 16, 2012 11:59 AM (UK9cE)

130 - It is not as soft as a paper book if you need to wipe yourself in a pinch. However, it cleans up with a damp, lint-free cloth, which you cannot do with a paperback. I'm calling this one a tie.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 16, 2012 03:54 PM (XE2Oo)

 

Three shells, EoJ.  Learn how to use the three shells.

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2012 11:59 AM (lDaH4)

131

Ref when you might download a book outside of your home - I have had the early Kindle for 2+ years.  Sometimes, in a car, in a plane, in a motel, I will read a book and decide I want to see if there are more by that author, so will connect to Kindle Store and possibly buy more books by that author.

My memory stinks so if I don't do it then, I will most likely forget which author I was interested in.

I love being able to connect from outside my home - that is a big feature, at least for me.

Posted by: InOhio at January 16, 2012 11:59 AM (ma96e)

132 I'll stick with my overhead projector and transparent sheets for reading  thankyewverymuch.

Posted by: booger at January 16, 2012 12:00 PM (EjNp5)

133 I thought it would be the SC state GOP who would treat us to to some Grade A silliness. But it was instead the SC Democrat party.

Posted by: soothie at January 16, 2012 12:00 PM (vanqS)

134

I had the second generation Kindle 3G which was awesome cause it had a really basic web search thingy which was ok when I was out on a train or something I could keep up to date on the internet.  I just got the Kindle Fire for Christmas and I love it as well, but haven't figured out how to look up a word, with the original Kindle all I had to do was highlight it and a thesaurus popped up with the meaning, the Fire doesn't and I'm too lazy I guess to figure out if I can do that.

I love laying in bed with my Fire and surfing the net instead of dragging out the heavy laptop and firing it up on my bed to surf. 

Both Kindles have their benefits.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 16, 2012 12:01 PM (9U1OG)

135 Hey, see that rock over there?  Now watch this!

Posted by: Capt. Francesco Schettino at January 16, 2012 12:02 PM (QKKT0)

136 Boy long Kindle thread. I saw 3 patients

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 16, 2012 12:02 PM (i6RpT)

137 I really love the "e-Ink" of the screen. I'm not sure how it works, but looking it at it, it looks like there is maybe a very thin membrane, which maybe turns black if electricity runs through it. Behind the membrane is a dull "page," which is somewhere between light gray and cream in color, depending on lighting.

No, Ace, it's much much cooler than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-ink

BTW, you can't put your own pictures for the default screen, but there's a simple hack for that.  My wife did ours.

Posted by: TallDave at January 16, 2012 12:03 PM (/s1LA)

138
The sepia tone on the Ipad really helps a lot for eye strain prevention.

Posted by: Wodeshed at January 16, 2012 12:03 PM (SgLsM)

139 My problem isn't with the page turn speeds, it's with the bad habit I developed over so many years of reading that I had trouble breaking it when I started reading on a Kindle, and it is preparing to turn the page while I read the last few words on it, then flipping to the next page without much pause in reading. On the Kindle I caught myself pressing the page turn button with a few words to go on the current page and the damned thing presented the next page too fast for me to get those last few words. LOL. For longer than I want to admit I push to page turn forward button immediately followed by the page turn back button. I take a while to retrain, obviously.

I'm glad I bought the cheap cover without a built in light. It has a hook system to hold the Kindle in securely place instead of bungy-type hooks and I'm happy to use a regular lamp when reading and given Ace's description about how the light washes the page unevenly I would have been unhappy with a lighted cover, I think.

Still, love the thing and think it's some of the best money I've spent.

Posted by: Retread at January 16, 2012 12:03 PM (joSBv)

140 Only if one hates black people would one participate in a debate on this sacred day for blacks.

Posted by: soothie at January 16, 2012 03:58 PM (j7IJ7)

Unless you're an NBA player....then it's ok.

Posted by: Tami at January 16, 2012 12:04 PM (X6akg)

141 Micro-fiche.  The wave of the future.

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2012 12:04 PM (lDaH4)

142 Boy long Kindle thread. I saw 3 patients

It's the only thread of the day, so it gets all the action.

I thought about contributing, just because of that.

(I wouldn't have much to contribute. I've got an iPad, which -- as people have mentioned -- is the BMW of the line. Better than everything else, but not necessary if all you're doing is reading.)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 16, 2012 12:04 PM (bjRNS)

143 Every single time I watch someone reading on DS9 I squeal like a school girl that "omg, we have that technology!"

Posted by: lauren at January 16, 2012 12:05 PM (HWyVZ)

144

129 There's a racist debate tonight in which all the racist Republican candidates will be participating.

Only if one hates black people would one participate in a debate on this sacred day for blacks.

Posted by: soothie at January 16, 2012 03:58 PM (j7IJ7)

 

Do you think the candidates might show up in blackface makeup?

Posted by: jwest at January 16, 2012 12:05 PM (FdndL)

145 @ Soona, That's funny - ever since I was young we called toilet paper "shit-tickets." When Demolition Man came out and they did the whole bit where Stallone kept cursing in front of the machine so it would print out paper tickets to wipe himself with, I instantly thought, "Hey! Shit-tickets! Admit one, Rock-o!"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 16, 2012 12:06 PM (vzFJV)

146 145 Micro-fiche.  The wave of the future.

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2012 04:04 PM (lDaH4)

Heheh...don't ever want to go back to that. Dark times indeed.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 16, 2012 12:07 PM (8ieXv)

147 Heheh...don't ever want to go back to that. Dark times indeed.

If my choice is microfiche or microfilm, I'll take microfiche.

But, yeah ... I don't miss it at all.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 16, 2012 12:08 PM (bjRNS)

148 I got the Kindle as a birthday present a while back. They were running about $500 at the time, I think. I never considered buying one for myself at that price, plus I'm one of those types who must have the real book in my hands. But I became a quick convert and a apostle for the Kindle, even at the high price of the time. When I put it in my backpack and hit the road for even a mundane daytrip, I found I had a whole library, and a vast bookstore, in such a small package. With the Kindle, I no longer need to add bookshelves. I've got a ton of bookshelves. I never realized how much space and expense they take up, never thought about it, until I had the Kindle.

Posted by: Cowboy at January 16, 2012 12:08 PM (So+7G)

149 I really love the "e-Ink" of the screen. I'm not sure how it works, but looking it at it, it looks like there is maybe a very thin membrane, which maybe turns black if electricity runs through it. Behind the membrane is a dull "page," which is somewhere between light gray and cream in color, depending on lighting.
________

As I understand it, the screen is composed of a bazillion little bubbles that contain a white liquid and tiny black balls. The balls carry a charge. Using electrodes behind the bubble (i.e., on the circuit board behind the screen) they can push the balls either towards or away from the screen. When they are towards the screen, you see the black balls. When they are away from the screen, you see the white liquid.

The ball-pushing circuitry is only active while the screen is being changed; no power is required to hold an image once it has been painted. This is why the battery lasts so long; the Kindle essentially sleeps until you press a button. Powering off a Kindle just means it's no longer paying attention to most of the buttons.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 16, 2012 12:09 PM (6fER6)

150 ace, there is your opening. Publish a blank ebook, titled Notes. .99 to best seller status.

Brilliant. We'll buy it through his link and he'll even more money for nothing.

Posted by: Retread at January 16, 2012 12:09 PM (joSBv)

151 They pulled the same shit with Glenn Beck. You know that of course. It's more insidious than people realize. The Left is making it seem that the very ideas of the GOP's platform are grounded in racism (like the Klan) and The Nerve of Republicans to show our faces on MLK day...

Posted by: soothie at January 16, 2012 12:10 PM (KwX0v)

152 Every single time I watch someone reading on DS9 I squeal like a school girl that "omg, we have that technology!"

Posted by: lauren at January 16, 2012 04:05 PM (HWyVZ)

 

That's exactly how I react when I see something about Japanese sex robots.

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2012 12:10 PM (lDaH4)

153 Forgot to mention the big thing you must consider when considering ebooks.  Who you plan to 'marry' for the rest of your life.  Especially when considering the Kindle since it doesn't support anything but their own closed format.  You basically have to decide right up front to tie yourself into Amazon, B&N, Apple, etc's content system for the rest of your natural life.

So forget the normal decision points when buying tech things because things are going to change a lot over your life but with every content purchase you are more tied into your initial content provider decision.  If you move to a full tablet you can escape the chains a little, most offering Android apps that can read their books.. so long as you don't root your device of course.  Unless of course you have to root to install apps from outside your vendor's silo, then it is a catch 22 situation.

Which is why I refuse to play.  I bought a Nook Simple Touch and had to activate an account to be allowed to use it.  However I do not plan on ever buying any of their content, especially them being doomed.  We have seen this tale before with Plays for Sure as Walmart, Yahoo and Microsoft themselves sold millions of tracks before shutting down the DRM servers and hosing their customers.  Over the next twenty years the odds approach 100% that every current DRM ebook scheme will die and all purchased content will go "Foosh."

Yes the options in DRM free is more limited for now and you have to look harder.  But it is out there and most of it is ePub which leaves Kindle out.  OReilly tech books can be bought direct from them DRM free for example.  Buy it form B&N or Amazon and it will be sealed into their data silo.  I have a lot of twenty year old dead tree books and won't buy digital without a good chance of at least that sort of shelf life.

Posted by: John Morris at January 16, 2012 12:10 PM (nf02c)

154 I just happen to have my Kindle Touch and a Baen paperback beside me right now, and they seem to weigh about the same. (Granted, it's a relatively thick paperback - 1635.)

Those leather cases add a lot of weight and bulk; that's why I make my own cases - basically just a fabric envelope with a Velcro closure, and I take it out to read; the case is just to protect the thing when it's in my purse.

And I do wish they'd use a light cream background. I don't care what their tests say, my eyes feel tired after several hours of looking at that light grey screen.

It's an expensive little bugger, though. I'm much more casual about buying books now because (a) it's so easy and (b) I know I won't have to find shelf space for the book!

Posted by: mb at January 16, 2012 12:11 PM (og7hO)

155 But can you dip it in pudding?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 16, 2012 12:11 PM (zLeKL)

156 Unless you're an NBA player....then it's ok. Posted by: Tami at January 16, 2012 04:04 PM (X6akg) On the bright side, the Knicks lost today at home and looked like the shitty coached team they are with a screwed up owner

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 16, 2012 12:11 PM (i6RpT)

157

I download my monthyly sci-fi mags to my Kindle.  The fact that mine is not color is not an issue for those kinds of magazines, and now I have a ton less paper to get rid of when I finish reading them.

Before this, I loaded the magazines up and dropped them off at a half-price book store, because I can't bear to throw them away.

Admittedly many magazines don't lend themselves to be read on the B&W Kindle.

My husband gets various newpapers delivered to his Kindle daily.  He loves having the articles available and no paper to throw out.

I have some arthritis in my hands and my hands sometimes cramp when holding a paperback book open.  Never have a problem with my Kindle.

Love it.

 

 

 

Posted by: InOhio at January 16, 2012 12:11 PM (ma96e)

158 What are the chances that Obama attended a fundraiser today?

Posted by: soothie at January 16, 2012 12:12 PM (xIzGn)

159 The one thing I can think of where 3G would work is if you see a book in a store, you can download the first chapter and sample it. I have the kindle app on my phone and I do this all the time. It's great. Plus my phone is small enough to dip in pudding. That's important.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 16, 2012 12:13 PM (zLeKL)

160 I got my Daughter a 3G Kindle last year. She loves it, for most of the reasons you've mentioned -- especially how its battery life is weeks not hours.  It's not a touch screen color tablet, it's a reader.  All the tech of touch screen colored tablets is nice, but they suck up battery time big time. 

 I also searched around DHGate.com (China's ebay) for a kindle cover that fit what she was looking for.  Shipped to the house in a couple weeks at a notch over $10. 

Posted by: drfredc at January 16, 2012 12:14 PM (CW+P0)

161 I got the cheap, $70 Kindle with Christmas money and love it. Easier to read in bed before going to sleep because you don't have to use two hands to hold it open. I can't wait to take it to the beach this summer. There's a pretty good amount of free and cheap books available. I like old ghost stories and some of them are available for free.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 16, 2012 12:14 PM (4u1ZP)

162 On the Sunday before the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday, senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett visited Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta to give a political speech, in support of her boss (Barack Obama) and congressional Democrats: "Teachers, and firefighters, and policemen, whose jobs are now in jeopardy because Congress--well let me be specific--because the Republicans in Congress," Jarrett told the crowd. According to the CBS affiliate in Atlanta, at this point, "Before she could finish her sentence, people in the congregation were laughing, and applauding." At the Sunday service, Jarrett also brought up Osama bin Laden's death in order to praise the president. "We all sleep a little better at night knowing Osama Bin Laden and his lieutenants are not plotting a terrorist attack against the United States," Jarrett said. Then she pivoted to Iraq: "I saw so many soldiers returning home from their last tour of duty in Iraq, in time for the Christmas holidays." At the end of Sunday's sermon, after Jarrett had delivered her remarks to the congregation, the church held a voter registration drive. Disgusting and the 'Church" should lose it's Tax Free status.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 16, 2012 12:15 PM (i6RpT)

163

The Left is making it seem that the very ideas of the GOP's platform are grounded in racism (like the Klan) and The Nerve of Republicans to show our faces on MLK day...

Posted by: soothie at January 16, 2012 04:10 PM (KwX0v)

 

If thatÂ’s the case, itÂ’s a near certainty that Rick Perry will answer one of the debate questions with a quote from Amos & Andy.

He has an instinct for shrewd political moves, you know.

Posted by: jwest at January 16, 2012 12:15 PM (FdndL)

164 Yeah I'm all over that library thing now. Find the book you want and it sends it to your Amazon account for transfer to your Kindle. Also when it's time to turn the book back in, it just disappears from your Kindle and goes back, no late fees ever. If you check it out again, all your notes and bookmarks are right where you left them.

Posted by: Erick Brockway at January 16, 2012 12:15 PM (Vw3kr)

165 I also downloaded a couple of the free word games. One was an anagram game, another was kind of a minesweeper style game. I think the keyboard helps a lot for those games.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 16, 2012 12:15 PM (QcFbt)

166 What are the chances that Obama attended a fundraiser today?

Posted by: soothie at January 16, 2012 04:12 PM (xIzGn)



I had a friend ask me today what the over/under was on Odipshit attending fundies today.  I said 5. 

I mean, it IS his day, him being 1/2 black and all.  This day has nothing to do with MLK, really.  It's all about the O.

Posted by: © Sponge at January 16, 2012 12:16 PM (UK9cE)

167 141
The sepia tone on the Ipad really helps a lot for eye strain prevention.

Yeah it does, i use my ipod touch for books and even on that small screen it works great, ive tried both the kindle and nook apps and think the ibooks app is the best by far.

Posted by: booger at January 16, 2012 12:16 PM (EjNp5)

168 Attorney General Eric Holder used Martin Luther King Jr.’s legacy on the anniversary of the civil rights leader’s birthday Monday to emphasize the Obama administration’s dedication to protecting the American people from discriminatory voting practices. “Despite our nation’s record of progress, and long tradition of extending voting rights – today, a growing number of citizens are worried about the same disparities, divisions, and problems that Dr. King fought throughout his life to address and overcome,” Holder said at an MLK Day event in Columbia, S.C. ????? Yeah show me the proof?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 16, 2012 12:16 PM (i6RpT)

169 I bet the light problem will be fixed soon, ace. They make warm white LED x-mas lights now and the lack of a little cover thing is probably a common complaint.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at January 16, 2012 12:17 PM (UU0OF)

170 As we contemplate this MLK day, just consider:

We now have the dream of 400 years, the First Black President. And nobody even thinks about an Obama day. Oh, his partisans will praise him, but they know.  They know the full extent of his SCOAMFitude. They know the second he's out of office, it'll be "Barack who?" and "He wasn't *really* the first black president."

And still, a guy who never held office and whose most memorable tangible accomplishment was a speech will have a holiday.

It's a testament to conservatism in a way. The biggest accomplishments are not made by politicians and bureaucrats.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2012 12:17 PM (73tyQ)

171 What are the chances that Obama attended a fundraiser today?

That depends is today send out our money to his buddies or the day they send his cut back?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2012 12:20 PM (tf9Ne)

172 I picked up a nook color a few months ago. It's great most of the time but I wish it had a: the battery life of the kindle - I'm always picking it up to read only to find out it's died in the 3 days I left it sitting on the kitchen table b: no hard buttons for turning pages - I would *really* dig this, especially on something touted as primarily a reader. Other than that it's pretty BA.

Posted by: supercore23 at January 16, 2012 12:20 PM (bwV72)

173 I get all my news from my Leader on my Kindle...daily missives about Gold, Federal Reserve abolishment and general Joo-hatin' stuff...I <heart> it!!!

Posted by: Paultardbot 8.3/5 at January 16, 2012 12:20 PM (huzn1)

174 How does the Kindle's word search function compare to that of a printed book, Ace? Is it faster or slower to plug a word into the"Search" field of the Kindle and find where and how many times it appears in, say, "War and Peace," than it would be if you scanned each page of a paper book with your eyes? We thought so.

Posted by: Amazon.com at January 16, 2012 12:21 PM (2Y56z)

175 DNC Chairwoman Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL) appeared on the season premiere of HBO's "Real Time" with host Bill Maher this Friday. In the Overtime portion of the show, which is broadcasted and available only on the internet, Wasserman Schultz got into race politics, claiming the Democratic Party is the "natural home" for minorities. Wasserman Schultz says minorities feel "comfortable" because the Democratic Party stands up for "the issues that matter to those communities and Republicans shun them." Transcript below. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, DNC Chairwoman: "Just look at the chamber at the State of the Union. Look at the side of the chamber that the Democrats sit on and the side of the chamber that Republicans sit on. And you can notice a dramatic difference in who chooses to affiliate as Democrats and who chooses to affiliate as Republicans. The diversity in the Democratic Party is remarkable. We truly are the big tent party." [break] "There is a reason that the Democratic Party is far more diverse than the Republican Party, because the natural home, politically on major issues to Hispanics, to women, to Jews, to Asian-Americans, the diverse spectrum -- to African Americans." "The entire spectrum of diversity is comfortable in the Democratic Party because we stand up for the issues that matter to those communities and Republicans shun them." What a scrunt and all the Dems are do nothing on MLK Day but trying to make political points. They are all bastards and beneath contempt

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 16, 2012 12:21 PM (i6RpT)

176 a: the battery life of the kindle - I'm always picking it up to read only to find out it's died in the 3 days I left it sitting on the kitchen table


If you're going to leave it alone for 3 days, hold the power button down for a few seconds and power it off.  Battery lasts a lot longer that way.

Posted by: © Sponge at January 16, 2012 12:22 PM (UK9cE)

177 I have one of the older e-ink kindles and love it. Wait until you have five or six hundred books on there. Instead of keeping a separate list of books I would like to read, on Amazon or at the library, I dump everything into the Kindle, where books sit until I'm ready. Good product at a great price. (I use an ipad for everything but book reading. It's best for online, magazines and comics.)

Posted by: Jordan at January 16, 2012 12:22 PM (RSG1I)

178 "I think that the president — and for the good of the country, forget Democrats, Republicans — for the good of the country, I think it’s really important for the president to make the race that he is running against a do-nothing Congress." -Pissbrain Pelosi (this is what they get in return for giving Obama all his budget supplementals and debt limit hikes)

Posted by: soothie at January 16, 2012 12:23 PM (OHhPo)

179 Hey Ace,

Plug ye olde Kindle in to your computer.
Open your "My Clippings" text file.
There your go, all of your notes and highlights.

At least that's how I do it with my Kindle.

Though a separate journal would be nice.

Posted by: Jimmuy at January 16, 2012 12:23 PM (pbKln)

180 And for the ladies who read trashy romance novels between yoga classes, eating organic food and drinking herb tea, how many trees are killed to make a Kindle, Ace? Is it made substantially of wood?

Posted by: Amazon.com at January 16, 2012 12:24 PM (2Y56z)

181 Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2012 04:17 PM (73tyQ)

Hmmmm, I beg to differ -- we already have (at least here in Ohio) schools named in honor of Little Barack Fauntleroy.

Posted by: billygoat at January 16, 2012 12:24 PM (huzn1)

182 20 Was the extra cost for the wi-fi worth it?
_______

All Kindles are wi-fi. The extra money is for 3G, the ability to get to the net via the cell phone network.

I went with the 3G version, but I rarely use it.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 16, 2012 12:25 PM (6fER6)

183 In the Overtime portion of the show, which is broadcasted and available only on the internet,

OK, this show airs on HBO, which has no ratings or ads.

It's rebroadcast a thousand times on a half-dozen different versions of HBO.

And they've got stuff that isn't good enough for the main show?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2012 12:25 PM (73tyQ)

184

Mark Levin on Cavuto.  I just noticed; he has an intention tremor like I do.

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2012 12:26 PM (lDaH4)

185 If you're going to leave it alone for 3 days, hold the power button down for a few seconds and power it off. Battery lasts a lot longer that way. Yeah, But I never *intend* to leave it for 3 days. The thought is always, "Oh yeah, I'll pick up where I was tomorrow afternoon/night/etc" I'm my own worst enemy.

Posted by: supercore23 at January 16, 2012 12:28 PM (bwV72)

186 Hmmmm, I beg to differ -- we already have (at least here in Ohio) schools named in honor of Little Barack Fauntleroy.

Posted by: billygoat at January 16, 2012 04:24 PM (huzn1)

You watch.  They'll want to change those names pretty quickly after he leaves office.  In fact, I think at least one of those schools already contemplated it.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2012 12:28 PM (73tyQ)

187 17 The only problem with the light covers is that they drain power from the kindle even if you have them off.
______

I don't believe that's the case. I suspect you're confusing it with a problem they had with the unlighted version of the cover that has the LED coming out the right corner. The unlighted version used a metal hook covered in some sort of coating to attach to the Kindle; it mated to the Kindle in the same way as the lighted cover, but didn't have a light. Problem was that the coating would eventually rub off and the metal hook would short out the contacts used to power the light.

I assume they fixed that by now.

I have the cover with the LED coming out the right corner. It acts as though pulling out the LED causes it to make contact with the hook that attaches it to the Kindle. Problem being that I've had mine long enough that the contacts are starting to get dirty, so I have to fiddle with the light a bit because it'll suddenly go out.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 16, 2012 12:29 PM (6fER6)

188

My wife and I got the Fire for Christmas and we love it. We got our oldest a Kindle and within a week our next kid wanted to buy one, and did. Our youngest (9) decided he needed one too and bought a used one from a friend. He has an undeveloped macula and usually has to hold books right up to his glasses to be able to read at all. I showed him how to increase the font size. Now he has the font size cranked up to just below max so only a few word fit on the page but he can read them while holding the Kindle at a normal distance.

I'm telling you it's been a life-changer for him. Me and my wife are just head over heals about his being able to read this way & his reading skills have improved dramatically just in the few weeks that he's had the thing.

Anyway, we're a Kindle family now. One of the things I like most about it is that since all of our Kindle's are on the same Amazon account we only need to purchase (or find free) a book once and we can all read it at the same time & then discuss it. It's truly cool.

Posted by: 29Victor at January 16, 2012 12:29 PM (ES9R7)

189 I guess it was a bad idea to get my navigation charts on a Kindle. That, and plotting a course between rounds of grappa.

Posted by: Captain Francesco Schettino at January 16, 2012 12:31 PM (AZGON)

190 Oh, and the cases are vastly over-priced, but I found one for our fire on sale for $16 and it suits us pretty well.

Posted by: 29Victor at January 16, 2012 12:31 PM (ES9R7)

191 Ace, you know the kindle will read the book out loud to you right? 

When traveling simply let the Kindle read the book to you.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at January 16, 2012 04:25 PM (hXJOG)

Great.  Stephen Hawking Bedtime Stories.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2012 12:31 PM (73tyQ)

192 I got an ereader, like Ace I wanted one with e-ink rather then yet another backlit screen unnaturally straining my eyes.  (which I already do wayyyyy to much daily and get frequent headaches)

I just cant get into using mine but then I've been into audiobooks for years, ever since my aging eyes got those floating spots in them.

Audiobooks specifically the voice of the readers are kind of a two edged sword.   A good one can be a nice improvement on the text itself and a bad one can become constantly distracting or boring.

Some basic tips for those who prefer audiobooks.

-They recently redid Frank Herberts "Dune" with a whole cast.
-BBC has lots of dramatized versions of classics.
-Stefan Rudnicki is excellent in "Enders Game" and does most of Orson Scott Cards other series.
-Nigel Planers reading of "Discworld" is clever and enjoyable
-Robert Inglis reading of LOTR is clearly a classical British actor with finely honed skill.
-The usually excellent Stephen Fry, reading the "Hitchhiker" series is ok but a little flat at points.

Posted by: Shiggz at January 16, 2012 12:33 PM (RfvTE)

193 Stephen Hawking Bedtime Stories. "The Little Black Hole That Could Evaporate With A Blackbody Spectrum On A Timescale Of Gigayears."

Posted by: Stephen Fucking Hawking at January 16, 2012 12:33 PM (AZGON)

194 The Kindle DX (extra-large screen) is not wi-fi. It is 3G only. We have it and love it. Possibly due to the larger screen (it's about twice as many pixels), it takes about a second to complete a page turn. It's nice having the extra real estate, because it will handle PDFs and you can read a whole page at a time. There is a 99-cent Notepad app for the Kindle. Haven't got it yet, but plan to.

Posted by: Original Roy at January 16, 2012 12:33 PM (wTawr)

195 I guess it was a bad idea to get my navigation charts on a Kindle. That, and plotting a course between rounds of grappa.

Posted by: Captain Francesco Schettino at January 16, 2012 04:31 PM (AZGON)



I actually think it was a bad idea for you to be seen hanging out in a bar on board the ship shortly before you crashed.

Posted by: © Sponge at January 16, 2012 12:33 PM (UK9cE)

196 Does Kindle have braile books?

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2012 12:34 PM (lDaH4)

197 If you read your kindle books on your phone as well, the 3G function is crucial for syncing your place. Often I'll grab my phone to read a few pages and realize that I'm nowhere near the furthest page read, because I'd been reading on my Wi-Fi only Kindle and I forgot to sync it the last time I was home and had access to Wi-Fi.

Posted by: Oschisms at January 16, 2012 12:34 PM (K8p6f)

198 Billy Bob, I did note the partial escape possible on full tablets.  But you can't read Kindle books on a Nook or Kobo ebook reader.  You can't read B&N's content on a Kindle.  That isn't just because of the DRM, it is a more fundamental format issue, Kindle using .AZW and everyone else using ePUB.  And with the chains going onto more and more tablets you might not be able to install the app to read a competing content provider's material.  The Kindle Fire only installs apps from Amazon's App Store, the Nook Tablet only installs apps sold in their store.  Both have apps in the full Google Android App store to read their sealed content but neither can install apps from there and thus can't access each other's content.  And if you root to get around those limits you lose access to all DRM content anyway so it is pointless as a solution to this problem.  With Microsoft mandating a locked boot loader for any Win8 device (except x86 desktops/laptops... for now) this sad trend will probably get worse before it all blows up and starts getting better again.

Posted by: John Morris at January 16, 2012 12:34 PM (nf02c)

199 E-ink looks fantastic, but a back-lit screen is easier for me to read at night before sleeping.

I have a (hacked) Nook Color, and I love it.

Posted by: sandy burger at January 16, 2012 12:36 PM (DRcoj)

200
-They recently redid Frank Herberts "Dune" with a whole cast.
-BBC has lots of dramatized versions of classics.
-Stefan Rudnicki is excellent in "Enders Game" and does most of Orson Scott Cards other series.
-Nigel Planers reading of "Discworld" is clever and enjoyable
-Robert Inglis reading of LOTR is clearly a classical British actor with finely honed skill.
-The usually excellent Stephen Fry, reading the "Hitchhiker" series is ok but a little flat at points.

Posted by: Shiggz at January 16, 2012 04:33 PM (RfvTE)




Don't forget about Barack Obama reading Dreams From My Father where you can hear the President of the United States saying the 'N' word and other cool stuff.



Posted by: © Sponge at January 16, 2012 12:36 PM (UK9cE)

201 So kindle huh? That's how we are spending the whole afternoon? Talking about a high tech electronic widget which compares favorably to the book?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 16, 2012 12:37 PM (0q2P7)

202 80 My kindle will sit there, patiently waiting for me to decide if I wish to go to the next page, or not.
________

Mine gets bored and turns itself off after a while. If I'm reading while distracted (say, while having a conversation in a restaurant), I find that it seems to have a psychic power to turn itself off just as I turn back to it. I assume some applied computation demonology is involved.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 16, 2012 12:38 PM (6fER6)

203 I see somebody used the name grognard (aka a wargame nerd). I actually own several Columbia Games block games. I went through a mini-grognard phase about 5 years ago. Have a buddy who has a room he keeps set aside just for his wargames to play with is one other ultra-grognard buddy. Although he just had another kid, so that room might be filled with pink, cuddly bunnies now. The super grognard games were just too much for me. The Columbia block games were about the max complexity I wanted. And even then I can't convince my other friends to play them (except super-grognard friend, but he lives in another state). Most of my friends have about a one-page of rules maximum for complexity when it comes to games. Which is totally understandable. Whereas my super-grognard friend seems to prefer about a minimum of 10-20 pages, not counting supplements and the 3 pages of home rules he develops himself. He's a good guy. An odd guy. But a good guy. Amazingly his wife is smoking hot. He's a kinda weird looking dude who uses his high IQ and amazing memory -- to play incredibly elaborate war games. But she was a smart chick who digs smart dudes -- and he glommed on to her when she was just 18 and he was 22 and she didn't realize how amazingly hot she was. And he was a senior on academic scholarship. Of course, his weirdness was kinda obvious even then and his difficulty actually holding down a stable job could probably have been predicted. Luckily she makes very good money. His life would probably have turned out radically different if he hadn't met her. She's super smart, stable, beautiful and has a great job. He's super smart and kinda weird and not very stable. Without her he'd probably be some weird super smart hermit working night shifts and living alone in a hovel with his collection of wargames. With her he lives in a McMansion in a great part of town, has some cute kids, and is just entertainingly, if frustratingly, eccentric.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 16, 2012 12:38 PM (QcFbt)

204 Don't forget about Barack Obama reading Dreams From My Father where you can hear the President of the United States saying the 'N' word Niblick? He is the First Golfer.

Posted by: The Bleeding Head of Arnold Palmer at January 16, 2012 12:38 PM (AZGON)

205 And if you root to get around those limits you lose access to all DRM content anyway so it is pointless as a solution to this problem.

That's not always true.  It depends on the device.

Also, I hear that there is software which can strip DRM from epub ebooks (and maybe Kindle books as well?), although I've never tried it.

Posted by: sandy burger at January 16, 2012 12:39 PM (DRcoj)

206 Hmmmm, I beg to differ -- we already have (at least here in Ohio) schools named in honor of Little Barack Fauntleroy.

Posted by: billygoat at January 16, 2012 04:24 PM (huzn1)

Let me guess. Cincy?

Posted by: ErikW at January 16, 2012 12:40 PM (dA8Ib)

207 193 You watch.  They'll want to change those names pretty quickly after he leaves office.  In fact, I think at least one of those schools already contemplated it.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2012 04:28 PM (73tyQ)

maybe...personally, I was disgusted they'd rename a school in his honor!...but then, they also renamed a street in CLE (Liberty Blvd.) after MLKjr. 

The offense was that Liberty was named in honor of CLE WWI vets...guess they figured all had died so they could rename the street again!

Posted by: billygoat at January 16, 2012 12:41 PM (huzn1)

208 I hear that there is software which can strip DRM from epub ebooks There is a command line utility that strips open the old .lit format, presumably written in C. Hence its name: clit.

Posted by: The Bleeding Head of Arnold Palmer at January 16, 2012 12:42 PM (AZGON)

209 I've had a keyboard kindle for a year and a half. Loved it. I read 2-3 books a week on it. I read nothing in paper since I got it other than for some research and I have read 2 books a week for the past 45 years or so.

I got a Kindle Fire in early December. Hated the lighted screen at first. Fooled around with the light levels, font size and so forth and figured out how to set it. I can read it for hours without being bothered by eyestrain.

I love the Fire. Even better than my old Kindle which I gave to my son. It is not a tablet, though. It is between a Kindle and a tablet. If you are looking for a cheap I-Pad, you may be disappointed.

Lot of free stuff. Most of Gutenberg is available in Kindle format for free. If not in Kindle, I download the text version and can't tell the difference.

Re Gutenberg, try Gutenberg Australia. They have different copyright laws and have some stuff that is still in copyright in the US.

Also download Send to Reader to your PC. This puts a bookmarklet in your toolbar and one click sends any web document, formated for the Kindle and stripped of ads, sidebars and other stuff directly to the Kindle (Old style or Fire) Wonderful program.

One complaint: Ace of Spades dose not format correctly for Android either phone or Fire. It locks both of them up solid when I try to read it. So solid I have to remove the battery from my phone to get back to normal. I can't even turn it off.

John Henry

Posted by: John Henry at January 16, 2012 12:42 PM (dV3hp)

210 I got one just after Christmas and am really happy with the purchase.  I debated between the Touch and the Keyboard, and eventually went to the older technology.  What tipped the balance was the fact that Kindle Touch doesn't do landscape mode, and there doesn't seem to be any firmware fix ever to come for that. 

Haven't bought much content yet, though I marvel at the free (or nearly so) material that is available.  My favorite:  Burton's translation of The Thousand Nights and a Night.  I tried the free version, but ended up paying the $4 or so to get a different version in which the formatting is a little better and the footnotes actually work.  It is criticized as being difficult to read because of somewhat archaic language (but so is Shakespeare), racist and mysoginistic (yup! And having lived in Saudi for a while, I'd say Arabs still are), and pornographic (Alas!  by today's standards, the langage is barely ticking the mildly erotic level on the scale.  I miss the illustrations that are included in Bennet Cerf's collection of excerpts from this set of stories).

It's a huge body of work, some 16 volumes, but it's something you can read a little or a lot at a time, put it down and pick up where you left off, and simply enjoy a good read. 

My second-favorite is Balzac's Droll Stories.  A hilarious collection of stories of old France, and in which no one (from Kings, Queens, and Cardinals to simple peasants) is safe from ridicule. 

Posted by: DaveK at January 16, 2012 12:42 PM (uUZHA)

211 re: 3G I think I heard there are ways to trick the Kindle into limited web browsing. 3G, paid for by Amazon, becomes a steal if that is true.

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2012 12:43 PM (FcR7P)

212 Even better, the Kindle app for iPad.

Posted by: Andy at January 16, 2012 12:43 PM (XG+Mn)

213

Don't forget about Barack Obama reading Dreams From My Father where you can hear the President of the United States saying the 'N' word

What's really really going to chap Barky's ass on into the future is that he'll always be playing, at the most, second fiddle to MLK.

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2012 12:44 PM (lDaH4)

214 @221 free 3G web browsing is something I do on mine. no trick necessary. There is a web browser built-in. It's called experimental, but Amazon put it there. No hacking or anything nefarious is involved.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 16, 2012 12:45 PM (QcFbt)

215 Didn't MLK have a dream that one day- per year, I guess- a man-child would be judged on the content of his character? Today is that day, and I say Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2012 12:46 PM (FcR7P)

216 215 Posted by: ErikW at January 16, 2012 04:40 PM (dA8Ib)

CLE (cleveland)...I can't see the down-staters (especially CIN.!) renaming one after BO!

Posted by: billygoat at January 16, 2012 12:47 PM (huzn1)

217 What's really really going to chap Barky's ass on into the future is that he'll always be playing, at the most, second fiddle to MLK. However, in future certain major thoroughfares in large cities will be named Barack Obama Boulevard, just like the dozens of MLK Boulevards we now have. These, like the existing MLK streets, will have easily predictable real estate values and crime statistics.

Posted by: The Bleeding Head of Arnold Palmer at January 16, 2012 12:47 PM (AZGON)

218 There are some free ebooks at feedbooks.com.

The first Downlink link is an epub, but if you click on the item details, there is a Kindle (.mobi) download, too.

Posted by: sandy burger at January 16, 2012 12:49 PM (DRcoj)

219 229 Posted by: The Bleeding Head of Arnold Palmer at January 16, 2012 04:47 PM (AZGON)

Sad, but true.  What comic said, (paraphrasing) 'if you find yourself on MLKjr Rd. in Anywhere America and you're White -- drive fast!'  might have been Richard Pryor, but maybe Chris Rock?

Posted by: billygoat at January 16, 2012 12:50 PM (huzn1)

220 @sponge,

Does this N word also have a G and an I and another G and I and an E and an R in it?

If so why does the Preznit refer to gingers so often in his book?

Posted by: Shiggz at January 16, 2012 12:51 PM (RfvTE)

221 Most of the free book sites give you the option of the format you want to download.  UVA had a site and  the Gutenberg project has free stuff too.

If you are interested in free audiobooks you can get them from Libravox. It's a volunteer project like Gutenberg. Some of the volunteers that do the reading can be distracting as can be the audio quality but it's free so I can't bitch.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2012 12:51 PM (tf9Ne)

222 If so why does the Preznit refer to gingers so often in his book? He feels a kinship to people without souls.

Posted by: The Bleeding Head of Arnold Palmer at January 16, 2012 12:52 PM (AZGON)

223 Doh one to many I's.

Lets just call it an Ironic ode to the presidents narcissism rather then a typing error.

Posted by: Shiggz at January 16, 2012 12:52 PM (RfvTE)

224 219 Posted by: John Henry at January 16, 2012 04:42 PM (dV3hp)

JH -- don't have that problem (with AoSHQ) on either my Droid or K Fire...

Posted by: billygoat at January 16, 2012 12:52 PM (huzn1)

225

meh, wife and girl have kindle fires

i'm waiting for alienware to release their version

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 16, 2012 12:54 PM (MedXx)

226 Tomorrow is Benjamin Franklin's birthday. Who did more for America?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 16, 2012 12:54 PM (PddVe)

227

238  Tomorrow is Benjamin Franklin's birthday. Who did more for America?

he just makes it better for football players and actors when they tip strippers

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 16, 2012 12:57 PM (MedXx)

228 I have the Kindle touch 3G and the keyboard models. I didn't buy a light simply because I use the night stand light at my bed. The E- ink is awesome for this. Prior to this, reading a real book was effing annoying because without my contacts and a 1.5 reader, it was impossible. I needed more light and more eyes!  Now, I just need the readers, no extra light because I can change the font.

As I am a cheapskate of sorts, I went to Barnes and Noble looking for a case. Surprise! 75% off of two types. The one with the elastic bands at the top and the slide in lip at the bottom. My keyboard got a bit blocked, but I gerry-rigged it with some foam core. Also, it has a slot for money, cc,  or something on the left hand side. Soft and feels like a book. Voila! Just fine for me and 18 bucks. The other is just a slide in harder leather case that has the "bible marker" tab so you can pull to remove it.
 
Have not found a 3g Touch case that I like as the hubs is using it without one. The slide in version for the Nook fits the Kindle Fire nicely and my sister is using it. Beat the hell out of spending more money...I don't mind the improvising at all, so long as I am comfortable.

Posted by: DefendUSA at January 16, 2012 12:57 PM (wpvfW)

229 However, in future certain major thoroughfares in large cities will be named Barack Obama Boulevard

Nope.  That's what I'm saying. Maybe in Chicago (you'll note that he doesn't spend a whole lot of time there anymore but they'll still slobber over him there) but not anyplace else.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2012 12:57 PM (73tyQ)

230 Tomorrow is Benjamin Franklin's birthday. Who did more for America? Posted by: USS Diversity at January 16, 2012 04:54 PM (PddVe) That's a trick question right?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 16, 2012 12:59 PM (i6RpT)

231 re Sandy Berger @ 214: Ssshh.  Don't speak of these things in public.  Certainly don't link to em.  DMCA and all that.  It is illegal to even discuss those things.  But yes I have the source to an Adobe DRM stripper, got it way back when /. talked about it and I didn't even have a reader yet.

And they are taking precautions to minimize that risk anyway.  On my Nook for example, it only stores DRM content in the internal flash and in a partition that isn't exported via USB.  You buy a book and it is sent directly into the reader and you never get a chance to see the file.  So those decryptor tools first require you gain root on your reader to be able to copy out the content.  They are getting better and better at tightening the chains.  The only winning move is to simply refuse to play.  The sooner a critical mass figure that out the sooner we get unlocked content.  Music is now unencumbered (mostly.  watermarking is still popular but I can live with that) so we can win if we just close our checkbook and say "No sale."

Posted by: John Morris at January 16, 2012 01:06 PM (nf02c)

232 CLE (cleveland)...I can't see the down-staters (especially CIN.!) renaming one after BO!

Posted by: billygoat at January 16, 2012 04:47 PM (huzn1)

Shit! That was my first guess, shoulda stuck with it. That is his favorite campaign stop in Ohio after all.

Posted by: ErikW at January 16, 2012 01:09 PM (dA8Ib)

233 Of course after the zombie apocalypse, you won't be able to charge the batteries, all that bookage is lost, and where's your god now?

The battery will last long enough with the antennas off to get to book 2.
Now that you've survived the Zombie Apocalypse how to restart the nearest Power Plant.

Posted by: DaveA at January 16, 2012 01:10 PM (t/mAc)

234 >>>ace, there is your opening. Publish a blank ebook, titled Notes. .99 to best seller status. that's actually pretty neat. That's all you would need, I guess.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2012 01:13 PM (nj1bB)

235

Is there anything to be read into a northeast conservative's choice of a "wine-purple" kindle cover?  It probably looks very handsome along side the rino-gray metal around the screen. 

  

Posted by: phxjay at January 16, 2012 01:13 PM (c+W7U)

236 I use and recommend Nook book readers. We have a Nook Simple Touch (latest and greatest e-ink reader), a Nook Color (which I'm trying to root), and a Nook Tablet. The Tablet is, IMHO, the perfect size for a tablet: big enough to see things with my increasingly bad eyes, small and light enough to carry around conveniently. (If I got a free iPad 2, I'd sell it and use the proceeds to buy a Nook Tablet and a nice cover for it.) All the things Ace liked about the Kindle apply to the Nook Simple Touch. It doesn't have 3G but as Ace said, not that big a deal. I believe the Nook Simple Touch is actually lighter than the Kindle, and it has hard keys for page turns. When you read a magazine on a Nook Color or Nook Tablet, you see the full-color images as the graphic designer intended; but on any page with one or more articles there is a GUI button for you to touch, called "ArticleView". If you touch this button you get a popover with just text, in a font you choose and with a size you choose, with the full text of the article in one column (as opposed to artistically wrapped around an image on the page, spread across multiple pages, etc.). You can even use the page-turning gestures to flip through the articles while not looking at the ads. With the Nook Simple Touch, you can read magazines, but all you get is the ArticleView text. This is a very sensible compromise; you get the most important part, and the photos and such won't look great in e-ink anyway. Importantly, all the Nook devices support the open ePub format. I refuse to buy Kindles because Amazon insists you use their proprietary format. I get lots of public domain content from feedbooks.com, including science fiction stories from the 50's and 60's. I get them in ePub but they are also available in Kindle format.

Posted by: steveha at January 16, 2012 01:16 PM (P0N+7)

237 Oh, I forgot to mention the light. At the Barnes and Noble where I bought my Nook Simple Touch, they had a clip-on light for $20. I love it. It has a clip that fits on the Nook Simple Touch like it was designed for it (maybe it was) and an LED that provides smooth, even illumination over the whole page; no hot spots. It uses a lithium "coin" battery (a 2032, which you can get at any drug store for about $5, or which you can buy a 5-pack for $5 from Amazon.com). I haven't had to replace it yet so I don't really know how long one lithium battery lasts, but it seems to be a long time. It would be even better if there was some sort of cover that had a light like this built-in somehow, but it's not a deal-breaker to carry around this little and lightweight thing in addition to the Simple Touch.

Posted by: steveha at January 16, 2012 01:20 PM (P0N+7)

238 CRM and cloud giant Salesforce has announced a key hire today—former U.S. Chief Information Officer Vivek Kundra.

Kundra has joined the company as executive vice president of emerging markets. Kundra joined the Obama administration in March of 2009. As the first Chief Information Officer of the United States, Kundra managed more than $80 billion in technology investments and was an early evangelist of cloud computing in the public sector. Kundra also authored the ‘Cloud-First policy,’ which aims to guide government IT organizations around the world on how to be efficient with fewer resources.

Posted by: Steve Wozniak at January 16, 2012 01:26 PM (e8kgV)

239 I guess I'm looking for the word "journal" here but I'm afraid if I say that you'll make fun of me. So let's just say "notes."

If you really want to be made fun of, the word you're looking for is "chronicle."

Posted by: World of Darkness at January 16, 2012 01:26 PM (8/DeP)

240 i have the old school 3g. when they first came out i thought that they couldn't possibly hook up to the internet on 3g network all the time. i thought it was just for downloading books. the 3g without the ads were $189 and the wifi without ads were $139. when they came out with the ad models, that 3g was $139 and the wifi was $114. i am on the internet all day while at work on my kindle. one problem is that ace.mu.nu says that my ip is blocked for comments. another problem is you can't watch videos but $139 internet access forever is worth it. one work around i use is to put the kindle in the read mode and turn down volume. the kindle will automatically turn the pages. handy for when you can't turn the pages.

Posted by: javau at January 16, 2012 01:34 PM (G42mF)

241

"Cabbie, can you take me to the Barack H. Obama Federal Building?  It's at the corner of Stuttering Clusterf(ck and Miserable Failure Boulevards."

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 16, 2012 01:36 PM (Ec6wH)

242

Ace - As far as being able to take general notes on the Kindle? You can.

Go to the Kindle Store, and search for notepad. Choose the one by 7 Dragons, and pay your 99 cents. I see they update it in Dec 2011, so they're still working on it (mine is a year old).

There are other Kindle apps too; you might want to do do a Google search for "kindle apps". I have Calendar Pro, 1901-2100 Monthly Calendar, and Easy Calculator.

I don't want to give a false impression that these are great must-have apps, btw. Truth be told, they're convenient at best ...the Kindle reader fulfills it's primary function with aplomb, but other things, not-so-much. Still: "better than nothin'".

Caveat: YMMV. I have a Kindle 3 (keyboard) purchased Nov 2010, and the above apps work ("good 'nuff") with that model. I've no idea what works with the Kindle Touch.

 

Posted by: davisbr at January 16, 2012 01:58 PM (640ne)

243 >>>Go to the Kindle Store, and search for notepad. Choose the one by 7 Dragons, and pay your 99 cents. I see they update it in Dec 2011, so they're still working on it (mine is a year old). Okay I'll do that!

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2012 01:59 PM (nj1bB)

244 >>>Is there anything to be read into a northeast conservative's choice of a "wine-purple" kindle cover? It probably looks very handsome along side the rino-gray metal around the screen. Only that I didn't want black. I'm tired of black. Everything I get I get in black because it's a safe color. You always know exactly what color black it is (unlike other colors, where "gray" could mean 1000 different shades). I just didn't want black. What I actually wanted was like something deep green, like racing green or something, but they didn't have that. They had some light yellow-green that looked like a cartoon alligator's belly.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2012 02:02 PM (nj1bB)

245 a Nook Color (which I'm trying to root)

If you're having troubles, the forums at mobileread.com might be helpful.

There are two main approaches:  You can root the B&N android OS, or you can run CyanogenMod android off of an SD card.

I love being able to carry so many books around with me.  I now prefer ebooks to physical books.

Posted by: sandy burger at January 16, 2012 02:20 PM (DRcoj)

246 problem with 7 dragons notepad at least on the kindle i have is that you have to get out of the book you're reading click on the dragon app. to stay in the book and write a note select add a note type in the note. you can then view the note or cut and paste from the "My Clippings" text file on the kindle

Posted by: javau at January 16, 2012 02:23 PM (G42mF)

247 I just saw this "my clippings" thing. I see my "test" note went there. But it's very cluttered with stuff like "Bookmark added to X book" stuff.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2012 02:38 PM (nj1bB)

248 do you know if the Dragons 7 notepad works with the Touch? I assume it does, but just want to clarify that I don't need the keyboard.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2012 02:38 PM (nj1bB)

249 So basically, Kindles with only wifi are totally useless if you don't have wifi?

Geezamently, that's pretty useless. Guess I won't be buying them for my parents or myself.

Posted by: Maureen at January 16, 2012 02:41 PM (QFFJm)

250 >>>o basically, Kindles with only wifi are totally useless if you don't have wifi? Sort of but I don't think completely. There's a USB connection in the bottom which I assume would allow you to load in books from your computer. But it's definitely designed to be used in tandem with a wireless modem, or the 3G network. If you have 3G coverage and get the 3G one, you can download from that. By the way, you don't pay a monthly fee for the 3G. The extra money you pay up front covers it.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2012 02:44 PM (nj1bB)

251 I'm not sure if you can use a physical usb connection to load books. you'd have to check on that.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2012 02:46 PM (nj1bB)

252 you can load pdf and txt files with usb. also m.gutenburg.org will download books directly to your kindle.

Posted by: javau at January 16, 2012 02:50 PM (G42mF)

253 So basically, Kindles with only wifi are totally useless if you don't have wifi?

I don't know about Kindles, but that's going to become increasingly true of gadgets in general.  Home wifi is just assumed.  You must assimilate.

Posted by: sandy burger at January 16, 2012 02:58 PM (DRcoj)

254 #207

Stripping DRM off files from any of the major e-book venues is trivial. From there, you have any number of conversion utilities to go to any format you like. It's all just HTML under the hood. Calibre gets the job done for most people.

Alternately, you can find pretty much anything in a torrent. I prefer to go that route and reward the author directly rather than give the time of day to rapacious Big Six publishers.

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2012 03:16 PM (kcfmt)

255 So basically, Kindles with only wifi are totally useless if you don't have wifi?

I didn't have wi-fi at home when I bought my Kindle so I got the one w 3G. Works fine to download books, or has for me for 18 months.

Posted by: Retread at January 16, 2012 03:18 PM (joSBv)

256 I'm not sure if you can use a physical usb connection to load books. you'd have to check on that.

Mine does. Kindle 3 w/3G.

And from time to time it is a good idea to plug it into your computer and update the software.

Posted by: Retread at January 16, 2012 03:22 PM (joSBv)

257 #261

There is a USB connector on the Kindle, which you also use for charging the battery. You can download Kindle purchases to a PC and sync with the Kindle over the USB connection.

You can also find free WiFi in plenty of places nowadays. If you live out in the boonies it may be a problem but such is living out in the boonies.

Nearly all broadband services include a WiFi router in their start-up package these days. Many people have an AP running in their home and don't know it, much to the annoyance of their neighbors as the spectrum gets oversubscribed.

WiFi equipped routers can be had for under $20 these days. If you any kind of always-on internet service in your home, there really is no reason not to have it available wirelessly.

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2012 03:23 PM (kcfmt)

258 #243

Incorrect. The simple workaround is to download content to your PC while your e-reader is in 'airplane' mode. This gives you ready access to the file.

Amazon and B&N aren't putting that much effort into DRM. They could do quite a lot to make it far harder to work around.  They'd be just as happy to not have it and don't make it a requirement for self-published items. The big publishers require it as a matter of course. They aren't going to be around in a decade. Not in their current forms. The brands will exist but they'll be attached to substantially different companies.

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2012 03:32 PM (kcfmt)

259 #237

Have you seen Razer's demo design?

Project Fiona

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2012 03:42 PM (kcfmt)

260 A company at CES last week had the cover I was searching for months ago. This one has a light and a solar panel on the outside front. So your e-reader is almost always fully charged, even if you read in bed with the lights out a lot.

The downside is the price: $80. As much as the entry level e-readers.

There are some new developments that promise to allow photo-voltaic cells to be put in a much greater variety of locations. You give up some efficiency in exchange for durability but this hardly matters for something like a Kindle. The idea that it will go for years without requiring a connection for charging is quite a nice feature. I'd pay a bit extra for it.

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2012 03:49 PM (kcfmt)

261 We got a kindle fire for Christmas.  It's wifi only, no 3g option (I figure they'll have that for the new year).  My wifi Kindle keyboard was then my wife's.
Recently had to go out of state.  Was no problem getting the wifi set up at the enroute hotel, destination hotel, several relatives' houses.  Almost always had a connection when not driving.  Keyboard kindle worked well everywhere (was used mainly for reading).
The Fire:  used it mostly during that trip for web browsing.  Yes, Ace works pretty well on it, just had to screw with the font size.  Same for a lot of my other daily web reads.  But not all (some had "script" errors that required the browser to close).
Do wish it had 3g though.  Would've made it easier to hook up to web when rolling along I-10.  Gets kinda boring when wife is driving and I don't feel like a nap (and don't feel like booting her out of the driver's seat). 
Maybe this year they'll 3g the fire.
But overall, really like the Fire and the Keyboard both. 

Posted by: Dan at January 16, 2012 05:19 PM (yOk5u)

262 My step-daughter got me a Kindle Touch for Christmas.  I've read 3 books in 3 weeks -- as much as I read all of last year.  Just downloaded Laura Hillenbrand's Unbroken

The problem I've had with book-books is that I'd leave them laying around the house in odd places and I'd loose track of them for months at a time.  I've only misplaced the Kindle once so far (accidentally put it away in a filing cabinet).

Speaking of covers -- she got me an "m-edge" brand light to go with it, not realizing that it was made for a specific cover -- so I just bought one of their covers -- "Executive" model.  The light is held into  the cover by a slot behind the Kindle, then tucks away in the spine.  Then it swivels up and has one of those bendy things for adjusting it further.  Light intensity adjusts by tapping on the on switch.  I also discovered that it shuts itself off after 15 minutes or so, saving the battery -- I'm always falling asleep reading so this will save on batteries (1 AAA).

The cover is faux leather with a strap that 1) holds it closed when not in use and 2) holds it behind when folded over.  It has sewn in leather holders in the bottom corners and elastic ones on top.  That's the only complaint I might have.  It shifts around a little when turning it on and off.  All in all, I'd recommend the cover -- $32 at Walmart.com -- free shipping to store.

Posted by: rockhead at January 16, 2012 05:31 PM (ZMHGo)

263 Also -- one of the ONT cobloggers linked some articles at "Instapaper" which will save web articles, then send them to you Kindle -- very handy.

Posted by: rockhead at January 16, 2012 05:36 PM (ZMHGo)

264 Found a new thing to like about my year old Kindle today: sat on the shore of Lake Sommerville in a stiffish breeze and did not have to  hold down any page corners

Posted by: Laurie at January 16, 2012 05:53 PM (SxHk+)

265 3g: it comes in handy if you have a smartphone with the Kindle app, just sync it up for during a really boring lecture or something.

You really do get used to the grey backing. I don't even notice that anymore, and I'm on my 3rd Kindle. Had Gen 1 when first released, Gen 2 for years, an now on Touch. I read a crapload, so, it is easier on eyes than white pages.

Make sure to get protective screens, preferably anti-glare. I have some that are washable, used the same one for 2 years or so.

I find so many good books that I rarely ever re-read a book.

That cover has good points and bad. Good, it protects well, and is really light weight, and is small. Bad, it looks cheap, and my is already scratched up, which didn't happen with the leather one I got for Kindle 2.

There is a case that has a handle. Search the Marware ones.

Kindle takes away from blogging and....oh, hey, look, another good zombie book.

Posted by: William Teach at January 16, 2012 06:04 PM (Pq9u/)

266 I'm loving all this tech talk. For example:

Then it swivels up and has one of those bendy things for adjusting it further.

Ya. I've had one of those for seventy-three years. Works great. Highly recommended.

Posted by: Hammersmith Police at January 16, 2012 06:48 PM (Onw8c)

267 Ace,
http://www. amazon.com /Best-Calendar-Journal -updated -ebook /dp/ B001GNBU18

Mr. Bezos is on it.

Posted by: DaveA at January 16, 2012 06:55 PM (t/mAc)

268

There are many great reviews out there for the Kindle however I am not happy with it. I bought a Kindle for durability and ease of use. The ease of use is great but the durability is appalling. My screen froze up after a week. When I took it back to where I bought it I was told I had a cracked screen and it was not covered by warranty. I have been very careful with it and have not dropped it etc. Interesting when I was in the shop two other people said they had the same thing happen. There also was another Kindle waiting to be sent away also. I am not sure if it is a fault with this batch or not. Interesting they were all bought from the same store.I insisted they send it away for review but I am not hopeful. At the moment I wouldn't recommend the Kindle to anyone.

Posted by: Michelle at January 16, 2012 07:42 PM (9qQsz)

269 I haven't time to read all the comments and got eye strain about half way through the thread header post so if this has already been covered, sorry 'bout that.

http://calibre-ebook.com/

Calibre is a free to use ebook management tool. It can change a wide variety of formats from whatever to whatever. It's great for when you want to finish a series or read other works from an author that's not available at your primary purchase site.

I started out years ago with a Ebookwise gizmo. Got stuck with partial series and unavailable authors for way too long until I found Calibre.

I've since upgraded to a Kindle and still find use for the tool.

Posted by: Grimmy at January 16, 2012 08:41 PM (uUsh9)

270 The DX is NOT wi-fi.  It uses Amazon Whisper Net to connect.  Homes which lack wi-fi should choose the DX unless a wi-fi hotspot is convenient.

Posted by: Kitty Crouch at January 17, 2012 04:16 AM (XfQ5w)

271 Love my Kindle, and mostly agree with your review.  Totally disagree that the 3G is not that important.Partly this is because I am clearly more impulsive than you, and I have, more times than I can count, been in exactly this situation, where I:
<i> want to read a book, and yet have had no notice at all that you should spend the twenty seconds needed to download a book at home</i> Seriously, more times than I cound that's exactly where I've been, and I downloaded a book and read it on the spot.

Sometimes in church our very well read preacher will mention a book that sounds intriguing, and my impulsive and forgetful self can download the book on the spot. Previously, I'd write down the title on a scrap of paper that I subsequently lost and I'd forget all about it.

In some cases I have been there because I have found myself watching somebody else's child on the spur of the moment away from both our homes (I am an unofficial foster parent to children with a very irresponsible mother), and I've download a book to read to them, or a dentist visit is taking far longer than planned and I've downloaded a book for my son to read, or my foster sons are more fidgety than usual in church and I downloaded a book for them to read, or on a long car trip my 13 year old finds he did not bring enough stuff to entertain him so I downloaded a Kindle game to play with him, etc, etc.


I was able to use my Kindle's 3G capabilities when suddenly stranded at Union train station in Chicago due to employee incompetence. Within minutes a network of friends had offered solutions, and I was stranded no more.

I use the 3G feature to keep up with a couple of blogs when I my news junkie self is away from home and I want to catch up with the news.


I have also used my Kindle's 3G capacity to notify the rest of the family when my oldest daughter and her minutes old son were being transported by ambulance to the NICU because it turned out my grandson had a rare and life threatening genetic disorder. My cell phone wouldn't work. My husband was 40 miles away. Being able to use the Kindle allowed him to get the news of the emergency immediately rather than 30 minutes later, at a time when every minute counted because nobody knew if my grandson was going to live (Thankfully, he just had his first birthday and his condition is now under control).

 The NICU policies of the hospital where my grandson spent the first 6 weeks of his life did not allow cell phone usage, nor did they allow eating in the room or dozing in the hard rocking chair next to the baby's plastic box/bed.  Because my son-in-law, as a just hired employee, could not get off work immediately, I stayed with my daughter for about half of the 40 days my grandson spent in the NICU, so I could be with the baby when my daughter had to eat, nap,pump life sustaining breast milk for her baby, or fill out incessant paperwork.  With my Kindle I could communicate with the rest of the family via facebook updates (not only were updates important, but it was also over Christmas, and though I am a grandma, I still have minor children at home as well and it was wonderful to be able to keep in contact whenever we wanted with the Kindle).

The 3G feature has been wonderful for me, and much used.

Posted by: DeputyHeadmistress at January 17, 2012 09:10 AM (mhcif)

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