1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

2

I know you prefer cartoons, honey, but you might want to have Drew read this and explain it to you.

Take care of yourself, Snuggle Bear!

3 Sooooooooooo, does this mean Krauthammer comes off the RINO list?  Because I like his company.

4

Reparations by ANY means.

 

5 Mom, like the lady who makes the evil robots on Futurama?

6

Calm down. It's nothing to be angry about.

.

When I am the nominee, my man Krauthammer will convince everyone that "Obama's war on wealth" is wrong-headed.

7
Everyday we're losing more ground in the Message War.

Why is it so hard for these idiots to articulate Opportunity and Prosperity?

8 It would help if we had some Dale Carnegies or Norman Rockefellers around.

It used to be that people looked up to, and wanted to emulate, the rich.

Now, the only "Rich" that most people know anything about are whiny little brats and/or entitled, self-centered, egotists.  From Paris Hilton to Tiger Woods, to Donald Trump.

None of these people are looked up to- they're looked down upon as spectacles.  No one wants to emulate what they do, because we know we're already better than that.

9 Give me back every party I didn't attend, every drug I didn't do, every person I didn't date, every night I worked late etc. etc. first and then we can talk fairness. I am so sick about hearing about fairness when what is meant is give me what you have.

10 I spend like there is no tomorrow.
I save like that too.

11 Because I like his company.

Even a RINO can be right once in a while.
Cabbage-smasher stays on the RINO list.

12 Why is it so hard for these idiots to articulate Opportunity and Prosperity?
Posted by: soothsayer

Could you repeat your question in the form of an IF THEN statement?

13 Pudding without a theme?  Dude, get your own quips.

14 I am so sick about hearing about fairness when what is meant is give me what you have.

Amen and amen.

15
Ace's rapid fire posting is like premature ejaculation, today.

16 This retard, like all liberals, doesn't understand the concept of an ideal.

17

7
Everyday we're losing more ground in the Message War.

Why is it so hard for these idiots to articulate Opportunity and Prosperity?

 

Its Romney's October surprise. Come October he will begin to speak of these things. Right now he is too busy saying not much of anything. He is the ultimate stealth candidate. See?

18

Ace has a mom?  I thought he was just budded, like baker's yeast.

19 Cabbage-smasher stays on the RINO list.

Please, no, it's really crowded in here.

20 Social justice is where one person works to earn money and another person gets to spend it.

I can't quote it, but in Colorado yesterday Obama said that the green energy industry never looked brighter or words to that effect.  And another $100 million subsidized solar company goes bankrupt.

21 Now, the only "Rich" that most people know anything about are whiny little brats and/or entitled, self-centered, egotists. From Paris Hilton to Tiger Woods, to Donald Trump.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 12:36 PM

I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

22

>>I wish people would focus more on Obama's odd conception of the role of government in the economy.

That would make it too easy to connect the dots to his marxist mindset and commie background.

In a word raaaacissst.

23 Please, no, it's really crowded in here.

Posted by: Coulter, Rubio, Bolton, McDonnell, etc. etc. at January 27, 2012 12:40 PM (YXmuI)

Hey.  I was here first.

24 That pudding draws them in every damn time don't-ya-know.

25

I wish people would focus more on Obama's odd conception of the role of government in the economy. ~ Ace

.

I started that. ...."It's the economy stupid!"<----remember that? 

26

"If the Republicans canÂ’t beat that in November, they should try another line of work."

I mean really.

 

27 I started that. ...."It's the economy stupid!"<----remember that?
Posted by: James Carville, snakehead extraordinare at January 27, 2012 12:41 PM (ALwK/)

Piker.

28

I have to wonder how long it took Krauthmmer to gargle the taste of Zero's dick from his throat.

29 Dr. K said "pudding." 

heh heh heh heh

30 Sorry to OT and run but this is a hoot (and not at all unexpected) --

NathanWurtzel Nathan Wurtzel Heh. 6. MT @PeterHambyCNN: Biden tells Dem retreat he has "been given five states as a focus" for the election: PA, OH, MI, IA, NH and FL

31 Yikes. Nice formatting.

32 >>Ace has a mom? I thought he was just budded, like baker's yeast.


EB:  Could you have been born, Ace? And not egg-hatched as I've always assumed? Did your mother hover over you, snaggle-toothed and doting as you now hover over me?

Ace:  I loved my mother.

EB:  Puberty may bring you to understand, what we take for mother love is really murderous hatred and a desire for revenge.

33 Piker.
Posted by: FDR at January 27, 2012 12:42 PM (8y9MW)

You were saying?

34 "If the Republicans canÂ’t beat that in November, they should try another line of work."

Maybe as eunuchs guarding Obama's harem.

35 Just remember, whenever jerkwads like Tom Friedman claims that "we need" or "we must" do this and that for the economy, they're talking big government.    There is no way *we* can all collectively call some new industry into existence, except maybe accidentally.

36 >>>a pudding without a theme

Yes, I LOL'd.  I am Spartamoron!

37
...he would raise capital gains tax rates even knowing that would 1) retard growth and...

Retard growth, indeed.

Also: Retard growth. As in: Obama has given us retarded growth in a lot of wasteful and stupid shit.

38 Barack Hussein Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

I denounce myself.

39

We don't like republicans!!!

40 >>>>>>I wish people would focus more on Obama's odd conception of the role of government in the economy.


I wish people would focus more on the incredible damage in every area the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure has done to the United States.

We have a freekin' traitor in the White House, one who demonstrably does not give a shit about Americans. Unless, that is, they are hyphenated Americans, Muslims, "disadvantaged" or members of his gang of fellators.

RuPaul hates the Jooos? So does Osama Obama, and he has the power to make life messy for them.

The Newt and The Mutt are pandering hypocrites? SCoaMF has 'em beat. Santorum is a whiner? the Traitor-in-Chief has him beat seven ways from Sunday.

Let's shine the spotlight where it belongs: on the immense threat posed to our survival by the felon who calls himself "President," mmmmkay?

41 Ace:  The "divide up the wealth" part is what he used and hopes to use again to get elected.  The "how wealth is created" part is immaterial to him,  since his goal is to destroy the economy and thus the country.

Here's another example;  he purported concern for the environment.

1. Kill Gul oil drilling as an environmental hazard; loan money to Brazil to open THEIR off-shore deepwater drilling.

2. Kill Keystone XL pipeline out of environmental concerns;  ignore Warren Buffet's trains and Teamsters-driven trucks caarting the very same oil all over the place.  Bonus:  Canada hates us and oil is sent to China

3. Kill leases for uranium mining near Grand Canyon (and they weren't that close);  allow sale of uranium mines in Wyoming to Russians.

4. Just heard him rambling about the "dangerous fracking" and other "risky" drilling techniques.  So while he will sell those leases,  I can almost guaran-damn-tee you that the companies will not be allowed toproduce from those leases.

This is a well-established pattern,  in which he pretends to be trying to get more energy into the system but is actually not only stopping companies' efforts,  but aactively promoting countries which are our rivals,  if not enemies.

And it isn't incompetence.  It's a well thought out strategy to precipitate economic decline.

42 If it weren't for greedy rich bastards like Mitt Romney and Prince Fielder just think how many moon-towns we'd have by now!!

43

"Why is it so hard for these idiots to articulate Opportunity and Prosperity?" You mean like we once had in abundance before Washington decided to stick it's grimy little fingers in every nook and cranny of business? Beats the shit out of me. These guys obviously know how wealth works, because they're all quite well off and they didn't get that way by accident. Why they won't promote it and tout the virtues of the creation of wealth makes me suspicious that something is up. What, exactly, that might be, I have no idea. I can't think of a good reason for them not to be saying it out loud at every opportunity.

44 Let's shine the spotlight where it belongs: on the immense threat posed to our survival by the felon who calls himself "President," mmmmkay?

I could get behind that.

45 Barky's going to remind us Every. Single. Day until the election that he killed bin Laden and personally rescued the two hostages in Somalia.

Those Navy SEALS were just along for the ride.

46

With Bidens's focus on PA, OH, IA, NH, MI and FL, by gummint, we might have a chance.

 

Or maybe Joe just disappears for the next 8 months.  In a secret location.

47

Technically, we don't have a budget deficit, because we don't have a budget.

 

For three years running.

48 Brewer's letter to Obama (in namespace link)

49 We've already finding another line of work, it's donkey semen slurping for another 4 years. As well, the Lotto has replaced the 401K.

50 Or maybe Joe just disappears for the next 8 months. In a secret location. Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at January 27, 2012 12:47 PM

They are NOT sending me to India.

51 Why is it so hard for these idiots to articulate Opportunity and Prosperity?

On due reflection: because it can't be created by a Washington Bureaucracy.

Even our "Conservative" Politicians have left the 10th Amendment (and the 9th, too, for that matter) on the ash heap of history, and would like them to stay there.  They believe in Federal Control- just to "conservative ends."

They seem not to realize that the ends are not separated from the means, and that for Conservatism to work as promised, Washington really has to stop doing so much.

52 "...Where we're making stuff and selling stuff and moving it around and UPS drivers are dropping things off everywhere." - Pres. B. Obama

Smartest.  President.  EVAH!

53 1. Kill Gul oil drilling as an environmental hazard; loan money to Brazil to open THEIR off-shore deepwater drilling. You forgot the foreign policy win of paying Soros to develop the field, but losing the relationship to China to get the gas.

54 "i wish people would focus more on Obama's odd conception of the role of government in the economy." Why , when Zev Blitzer has us talking about completely inane bullshit and avoids mentioning Obama until the last 5 minutes

55
Funny you should say that...

Apparently back in the '50's the perception of the Republicans and Democrats were a bit different from today.

Mr C explains to his idiot son Richie that the Democrats solved problems with war and the Republicans are the party of peace and prosperity.

link to 17 second Happy Days vid: http://tinyurl.com/5czayv

56 I believe that's "Mom Herself"

57
Pffft.  Obama's war on wealth.  I appreciate K-man's article, hope it reaches a lot of people.  But most of us here knew this in 2008, he has a self admitted marxist background and he has marxist tendencies.  "Spread the wealth around" and all that.  Its more like Obama's war on the US Constitution.

58

Meanwhile, at Drudge:

 REAL GDP COLLAPSE: 1.7% FOR YEAR   

We have even less excess money now.

Run with this over the next 6 months. JEF will be de-elected.

59 And it isn't incompetence. It's a well thought out strategy to precipitate economic decline.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 27, 2012 12:46 PM (GoIUi)

 

Well, yeah.

His wealth redistribution dream doesn't stop at our borders.

60

What would be the conservative plan to “fix” healthcare?

 

This question may come up.

61

Liberals and progressives talk fairness all the time, but essentially they represent nothing but greed and selfishness.  Their entire raison-d'etre is taking away property, and handing it to others in return for votes.  Never forget that  Robin Hood didn't steal from the rich and give to the poor - he stole from the government tax collector and gave it back to those who earned it.

The only difference between  a progressive and a robber is that the robber puts a gun to your face to take your property, and the progressive uses the power of the state.

62
We "fix" health care by getting the govt out of health care. Govt meddling is the main force behind the skyrocketing costs of health care costs.

63 It would help if we had some Dale Carnegies or Norman Rockefellers around.

Steve Jobs is dead. Warren Buffett is dead to me.

Bill Gates is in the philanthropist stage.

Richard Branson ain't from around here.

64
ALL our problems can be solved with less govt.

Period. End.

65 Govt meddling is the main force behind the skyrocketing costs of health care costs. Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2012 12:54 PM (G/zuv) And the fear of malpractice and other legal actions against drug companies and others

66 "When Mom herself tells you an article's good..." Is that what she said? I was down in the basement...

67 Mom, like the lady who makes the evil robots on Futurama?

There you go again. Demonizing a successful business and modest profit making business woman.

68 Posted by: wiserbud at January 27, 2012 12:50 PM (gCa4h)



HAHAHAHA!  Don't even tell me he actually said that.  What a simpleton.

69

We "fix" health care by getting the govt out of health care. Govt meddling is the main force behind the skyrocketing costs of health care costs.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2012 12:54 PM (G/zuv)

 

So, what happens when some ghetto dweller shows up at a hospital with some ailment?  Who pays or are they turned out on the street?

70

"What would be the conservative plan to “fix” healthcare?" If the first few words in answer to that question aren't, "First, repeal ObamaCare," then all the words that follow may as well be gibberish. This is so plain, even a Moron understands it, as I think the rest of the country does. We are literally being crushed by the power of Washington to regulate our lives, our economy, and everything else, as planned.

71
Kind of related:  Warren Buffet wants people to leave his secretary alone.

FU buddy, you're the idiot that brought her into it, to help out your white house butt buddy so he could kick you back some sweet govt subsidies and market advantages.

72 Bill Gates is in the philanthropist stage. Is that what meddling federal education policy is called? I wish he would find something else to do, or stick with PRIVATE solutions and get out of the Ed Dept

73 What would be the conservative plan to “fix” healthcare?

Get government out of it. All the way out of it, too, not the quiet cronyism of the HMOs created by Nixon, the krutzing RINO.

74

Also in the category of "fairness":

 

This will make you mad – those USF “fees” that you pay on your phone and cell phone bill each month are used to provide “free” phone service to people who can’t afford it. But I bet your phone bills aren’t THIS high:

 

USF has also become wasteful and inefficient in some situations, paying over $20,000 a year – nearly $2,000 per month – in support per line for some households

 

And now the FCC wants to make taxpayers pick up the bill to provide BROADBAND services to these people as wellÂ…..

 

http://is.gd/hEYcae

 

75 The sad thing is that as the dopes in Washington spend money like there is no tomorrow, we here in Realville, who have saved for our tomorrows, will be washed out with everyone else when the shit hits the fan. Makes me want to go out and blow it all before it is all lost to me.

76 What would be the conservative plan to “fix” healthcare?

This question may come up.

Here are some general guidelines:

1)  Use the market, not coercion.

2)  Reduce regulation.  Allow insurance companies to see throughout the US.

3)  Don't require any specific coverage.  If you want to be insured against drug addiction, you can buy that insurance.  If you don't have to.

4)  Reduce medical malpractice exposure.  Impose loser pays tort system.

77
Look at what those idiots at the Fed did.

They boxed themselves into a corner with interest rates. They kept meddling and tinkering.

Look at where there are now. Interest rates cannot go any lower. The Idiots have no more room to tinker with interest rates. Instead of allowing the economy to make natural adjustments, they kept on meddling.

78 And the fear of malpractice and other legal actions against drug companies and others

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 27, 2012 12:56 PM (i6RpT)

This.

Billions of dollars are wasted every year by healthcare providers who need to practice "defensive medicine".

79 What do you expect when you put a community organizer in a position of responsibility?  Every time the ignorant fuck talks about "jobs" it's like listening to an elementary school kid in special ed talking about them.  He doesn't have the slightest idea how the market place works because he's a fucking loser who revealed in front of the whole nation that he didn't even understand auto insurance.  He considers the world's worth to be static and to be carved up among different people; and he wants to wield the knife doing the carving.

80 are they turned out on the street? Posted by: jwest at January 27, 2012 12:57 PM (FdndL) No body is ever turned out into the street, but nice try

81 Democrats of the 21st century have no idea how to structure an economy based on growth rather than on seizure and redistribution.  That's the real story here.  At least Bubba grasped Econ 101.

82 Format FAIL!

83 What would be the conservative plan to “fix” healthcare? This question may come up. Posted by: jwest

Holy fuck, dude. Welcome back. That coma sounds like a nasty one.


Go to NRO and search for health care. I'll get you started:

Ryan-Wyden Plan
http://tinyurl.com/73gs2wx

84 Is that what meddling federal education policy is called?

I didn't say that I agreed with what he was doing with his money. It's just that some of the wealthy decide they're done, and go into a Philanthropic Stage. See Rockefeller, John D.

85 Ahhh so krauthammer sat down with his financial adviser, his tax lawyer and his accountant.....

86
And the fear of malpractice and other legal actions against drug companies and others.

Which falls under the category of govt meddling. It all goes back to meddling.

87 Give me back every party I didn't attend, every drug I didn't do, every person I didn't date, every night I worked late etc. etc. first and then we can talk fairness.

I am so sick about hearing about fairness when what is meant is give me what you have.


This. Eleventy billion times this. 

I've not worked less than two jobs since I got married 15 years ago.  If these little self important twits want the money that I have (and I'm no millionaire by any stretch) then go out and work for it. 

88 Cabbage-smasher stays on the RINO list.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 12:37 PM (8y9MW)

I'm glad you're the final word on who's on that list you pretentious arrogant gay prick. And you blog sucks badger balls.

89

He's been talking about tax cuts for people who don't need them.  And giving the choice between tax cuts for people, a greater debt, or fewer tax breaks for other people.  This is another indication of the same phenomena we're talking about here.

I know you can all parse out all the things wrong with this line of reasoning.  It just makes me so mad, though, I had to bring it up.

90
>>>>are they turned out on the street? <<<<<<

I don't know, what did the cavemen do?

91 Yeah- they need to hit this hard.  Obama keeps doing the same thing over and over again, failing each time, but expecting a different outcome each time he hands taxpayer dollars to a "green" start-up..

Why are "green" jobs superior to jobs in profitable, sustainable industries?  Are there millions of unemployed people out there too proud to take a job in any sector but battery and solar panel manufacturing?

92 I don't know, what did the cavemen do?

Hey, leave us the f**k outta this.

93

81 are they turned out on the street?
Posted by: jwest at January 27, 2012 12:57 PM (FdndL)


No body is ever turned out into the street, but nice try

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 27, 2012 12:59 PM (i6RpT)

 

This isnÂ’t a trick question.  Yes, as it stands now, nobody is ever turned out in the street.  Hospitals charge paying customers (those with insurance) extra to make up the difference.  So in effect, you pay for the ghetto dweller.

 

Is there a better way that would cost less?

94 It's astonishing to me how many people are falling for the Bush boogeyman meme being the real reason the economy is in the shitter.  The "Bush messed things up sooooo bad, it's going to take Obama a long time to dig us out" crowd.  My kid's 9th grade class got on the subject of politics the other day.  One kid blurted out that Bush was the worst president ever.  My kid said Obama was the worst.  The other kid then said Bush messed everything up so bad that Obama is having an extra hard time trying to straighten out the disaster.  Never have I heard a president blame his predecessor like President Pampers does.  It's sickening.  Too bad the country is chock full of friggin idiots who fall for it.

95 What would be the conservative plan to “fix” healthcare?

1) Repeal Obama Care.
2) Repeal the Federal Law that prevents Insurance Companies from selling insurance across state lines.
3) Repeal every coverage mandate that currently exists (there's no reason BCBS should have to sell me a policy which covers mammograms).
3.5) Expand eligibility for Health Savings Accounts.
4) Forbid States, Insurance Companies, or Hospitals not specifically catering to Federal personnel (mostly veterans) from receiving any Federal monies except for insurance payments (Tri-Care, for instance).
5) Let the States handle it.

96 >>>>are they turned out on the street? <<<<<<

Ship 'em to Mexico.  We owe them about 20,000,000 citizens.

97 How many billions of dollars have the taxpayers lost on these green company scams going bankrupt? Are we going to see any accountability? I won't hold my breath.

98 "she smoked something it's not marijuana"...abc radio news just played the demi 911 call....

99

"Of course, this being Obama, there was a reach for grandeur. Hope and change are long gone. ItÂ’s now equality and fairness.

That certainly is a large idea. Lenin and Mao went pretty far with it. As did Clement Attlee and his social-democratic counterparts in postwar Europe. Where does Obama take it? Back to the decade-old Democratic obsession with the Bush tax cuts, the crusade for a tax hike of all of 4.6 points for 2% of households — 10 years of which wouldn’t cover the cost of Obama’s 2009 stimulus alone."

100
We could kill the Left on this Fair Share horseshit.

Let's talk about paying our fair share! Fair share for what?

Paying our fair share for Solyndra?
For Auntie Zetuni?
For Nancy Pelosi to travel to Italy?
For NPR?
For Planned Parenthood's CEO to make $400K/yr?

Yes, let's talk about paying our fair share.

And, yes, this would make an excellent video.

101

From the context of last night's debate.  Which of the candidates made this statement a few years ago?

 

"The blind trust is an age-old ruse. You give a blind trust rules. You can say to a blind trust, don't invest in properties which would be in conflict of interest or where the seller might think they're going to get an advantage from me."

102 What would be the conservative plan to “fix” healthcare? First, do no harm. Reverse the government distortion of the market by making healthcare a personal deduction. Wait, let market correct itself. The make any additional tweaks once the consumers and voters understand the cost and value of their healthcare options. (Ref. A Smith, The pimp hand)

103 Too bad the country is chock full of friggin idiots who fall for it.

Posted by: Lady in Black....{sigh} at January 27, 2012 01:03 PM (F+Xfj)

You can thank us later.

104 Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 27, 2012 01:04 PM (jucos)

I have no time to check but someone said the latest company to go out made batteries.  Did they by chance make the volt batteries?

105 Let's talk about paying our fair share! Fair share for what?

And who gets to define what is my "fair share"?

106
Fair share to send Michelle Obama to Spain?

107 I have no time to check but someone said the latest company to go out made batteries. Did they by chance make the volt batteries?

Posted by: ambrosia at January 27, 2012 01:05 PM (oZfic)

In the time it took you to type that, you could of checked.

108 What would be the conservative plan to “fix” healthcare?
This question may come up. Posted by: jwest

Apparently that accident of yours was more serious that we thought. It's only taken me a minute to find conservative proposals regarding healthcare.

Here's another one to help you out.
http://www.healthcarefreedomcoalition.org/agenda.asp

Good luck with your cranial-rectal inversion. I'll wear a yellow band for you!

109 So in effect, you pay for the ghetto dweller.

Is there a better way that would cost less?

Posted by: jwest at January 27, 2012 01:03 PM (FdndL)

 

Paulbot #3764423 reporting for duty.

110
Fair share to pay members of Congress $180K/yr + fringe benefits and free license to insider trade?

111 Is there a better way that would cost less?

We used to fund County Hospitals that would serve as a training ground for new medical professionals. When a for-profit hospital would find out that someone couldn't pay, they'd transfer them to County.

Didn't really change the cost of health care overall, but made the costs more transparent.

Unfortunately, somebody decided that it was humiliating to transfer people from the "good" hospitals, and you had to treat people where they showed up.

112 Seems to me Obama likes hell out of rich people. It is the filthy middle class that controls so much wealth collectively that give him and his rich, elite conspirators the hives.

113 Posted by: Tami at January 27, 2012 01:06 PM (X6akg)

I'm somewhere where I can't check.

114 So, what happens when some ghetto dweller shows up at a hospital with some ailment? Who pays or are they turned out on the street? Cash upfront, just like the rest of the world (sans Europe)

115 And who gets to define what is my "fair share"?

Your fair share is whatever I don't want.

116 i think it might reside in an adult care facility.......

117 Paulbot #3764423 reporting for duty.

No.  jwest is a Palindrone.

Though I'll admit, to keep up on the blog, you need a scorecard.

118
Let's talk about paying our fair share! Fair share for what?

Paying our fair share for Solyndra?
For Auntie Zetuni?
For Nancy Pelosi to travel to Italy?
For NPR?
For Planned Parenthood's CEO to make $400K/yr?

Don't forget me!

119 I'm somewhere where I can't check.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 27, 2012 01:07 PM (oZfic)

So first you had 'no time', now you're 'somewhere where you can't check'....yet you're online posting.

120
Fair share for to pay for GM workers to sit around?

121 somebody decided that it was humiliating to transfer people from the "good" hospitals, and you had to treat people where they showed up. Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 27, 2012 01:07 PM (bjRNS) Well that's why ambulances are routinely routed to the "appropriate" Hospital in the first place

122 Tami. 

lol

123
Fair share to continue to prop up a monstrous failure such as Amtrak?

124 When Mom herself tells you an article's good, it has to be linked.
****
This afternoon's meatloaf recipe thread is gonna be great!

125 HAHAHAHA! Don't even tell me he actually said that. What a simpleton.

Lady in Black, he said it. 

Link from sidebar:  http://tinyurl.com/7bmjtxs

126


Why, why why can't we (peacefully) say fuck this and form our own autonomous area?  With enough people we could (peacefully) defend it, and live life how it sould be led.  New Hampshire WAS the free state bullshit solution, but that was just smoking crack that close to  NY/CT/MA.  How about a real plan?  What can be done?

127 It's no fun to post comments here anymore, because they get all mashed up.  It's bad enough that I can't think clearly and I can't type.  Now the blog is making it look like I have no space bar!

128 Obama sucks cock

129 "You can thank us later." Us too.

130
Fair share for friggin ACORN to disenfranchise the voters and make a mockery of the sanctity of the American vote?

131 "What Obama offered the nation Tuesday night was a pudding without a theme:"

He mentions pudding. Is K'hammer a moron?

132 #129

We can't have nice things.

133 66.....And the fear of malpractice and other legal actions against drug companies and others

.....Posted by: nevergiveup at January 27, 2012 12:56 PM (i6RpT)

.

Shut up! You are prohibited from talking about that. ....We got rid of that guy from Texas who enacted tort reform. ....We are not through destroying him. ....But if you don't shut up, we will destroy you too.

134 Fair share for friggin ACORN to disenfranchise the voters and make a mockery of the sanctity of the American vote? Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2012 01:11 PM (G/zuv) ----------------------------------------------------------- Don't forget us!

135 Here's another, Jwest

http://tinyurl.com/73dudc6

It's from Heritage, the same group that admitted making a mistake in crafting the basis for MASScare. Seems they have some thoughts on the matter.

Good luck.

Do you use a drool cup or just let it all hang out?

136
I listed, what, a dozen examples of how the taxpayers are getting bilked by government do-gooders?

But you know what the Left/media sees when they read my examples? They see: I hate paying for roads and firemen!

137 Well that's why ambulances are routinely routed to the "appropriate" Hospital in the first place

Ambulance rides are much less common than that.

138

Everyone seems to love insurance companies.  I, on the other hand, recognize that giving money to an entity that has an incentive to deny giving money back to me as much as possible may not be the best way to go.

139 You want healthcare and a spacebar, you kids are greedy

140 But you know what the Left/media sees when they read my examples? They see: I hate paying for roads and firemen!

So true.  Which just goes to show you how stupid the American public is, as a whole.  Since Federal dollars really shouldn't ever be spent on your local emergency services, nor, really, on the vast majority of roads people use.

141

They see: I hate paying for roads and firemen!

 

Ah-ah-ah! [wagging finger]  The more lucrative terms are "investing in infrastructure" and "funding first responders"!

142 Everyone seems to love insurance companies. I, on the other hand, recognize that giving money to an entity that has an incentive to deny giving money back to me as much as possible may not be the best way to go. Posted by: jwest at January 27, 2012 01:14 PM (FdndL) ??/I guess you've never done business with the Federal Gov, because they just love giving money back to you?

143
here's another good one:

Fair share to pay millions of dollars for road signs touting Obama's stimulus act?

144 #78  Oh,  I don't know.  I pretty much am waiting until the fed orders banks to pay ME to borrow money from them.

1. I will simply collect .5% of every million dollars I borrow and then pay back. 

2. Lather, rinse, repeat.

3. Profit!!

145 Remember when the MFM told us how Moochelle's high-paying job in Chicago was to send poor folks to hospitals other than the one where she worked?

Yeah, me neither.

146

Soviet central planners mandated quotas for steel production, regardless of demand.

 

Years ago I was in the then-extant USSR and went into the GUM department store on Red Square. Most shelves were empty except for one store that had an entire wall full of hundreds and hundreds of ... red plastic pails with white handles, the sort of thing toddlers would use at the beach. That's it.

 

Lots of pails, but no customers, and nothing else. But some central planner had apparently decided to close the Red Pail Gap with the West, or something.

147 Jwest,

http://blogs.forbes.com/aroy/

I understand how difficult it must be hunting-and-pecking with a stylus in your mouth but keep a smile on your face!

148 Heh. 6. MT @PeterHambyCNN: Biden tells Dem retreat he has "been given five states as a focus" for the election: PA, OH, MI, IA, NH and FL

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 27, 2012 12:43 PM (pLTLS)

That does it, we're doomed. Might as well pack up and go home cause the "Pretty Big Fuck*N Deal"  has it locked! Cancel the lection and coronate the Lyin kING!

 

149 Everyone seems to love insurance companies. I, on the other hand, recognize that giving money to an entity that has an incentive to deny giving money back to me as much as possible may not be the best way to go.

I've made this argument before to my Obama-loving acquaintances. If the problem is a market distorted by what an insurance company will pay for, then how are you going to fix the market by reducing the number of entities that are paying even further?

Really, the solution is to remove maintenance insurance from the equation. I've got less against catastrophic insurance, but that maintenance thing has got to go.

150

Jury verdicts are not the reason for the high cost of medical care, unless you want to factor in the need of insurance companies to make profits no matter what it takes, or who they have to screw. 

We have jury verdicts because insurance companies refuse to pay, even as they gouge the fuck out of doctors on malpractice premiums.  What was the profit for med mal insurance companies?  Have they ever LOST money in a year?  Getting fucked over by the insurance company after getting fucked over by some hospital flunkie is not exactly great fun. 

Blame the lawyers, sure.  Lawyers would be irrelevant if insurance companies paid out their claims as they are supposed to. 

But those same companies have managed to turn two helping professions against each other by fucking both sides.  Must be nice.

151 I, on the other hand, recognize that giving money to an entity that has an incentive to deny giving money back to me as much as possible may not be the best way to go.

That's not exactly how they work- and I virtually guarantee that if you ever have a major claim they'll spend more on you that year than you'll pay them in premiums.  If it's a big enough claim, they'll spend more on you than you'll pay them for 10+ years of premiums. 

But, if you feel that way about it, don't carry insurance.  Go all cash, save money in a savings account, and tell your doctor and hospitals that you only pay cash.  Be prepared to put a substantial down-payment for any services rendered, but they'll often charge you something resembling what the "reasonable and customary" charge would be when it came back from your insurance anyway, so there's that.

152 Everyone seems to love insurance companies. I, on the other hand, recognize that giving money to an entity that has an incentive to deny giving money back to me as much as possible may not be the best way to go.
*****
Right, because there's no way that a competitive free market could provide incentives to improve customer service. That's just crazy talk. Better to leave things to a government solution.

153 Let's not overtax Obama's brain and give him a chance to prove he is worth re-election.

The annual budget request, by the Budget Act, is due next Tuesday. Will he deliver it on time, or has his campaigning around the country diverted his attention from his primary job.

154 Also in the category of "fairness":

This will make you mad – those USF “fees” that you pay on your phone and cell phone bill each month are used to provide “free” phone service to people who can’t afford it. But I bet your phone bills aren’t THIS high:'

The USF (which the FCC insists isn't a tax, because telco providers aren't required to recoup the cost from their customers though all do) has been a joke for a long, long time.

Originally it was intended for providing POTS (plain old telephone service) to mostly rural areas that would be too expensive to profitably deploy service to.  Telcos didn't mind at all- they just tacked the USF onto customer bills, then got money from the FCC to defray deployment costs.

Of course the USF- like every other such program- didn't go away once it's goal of universal phone service was realized.  Now it's a political slush fund for politicians to use on pet projects.  Yet another 'hidden tax' that should've been done away with long ago.

155 Another chart, linked by Insty, showing the rate of GDP growth in dollars over the last 60 years. By my eye, we're about $1trillion to $2trillion in growth behind where we would have been if we'd approached this recession like all the others in the past.

$1trillion. Hmm. That number seems relevant somehow . . . .

You know, maybe someone, say a Presidential candidate could put that in an ad or something.

At least we can count on Romney to aggressively nibble around the edges.

156 I understand how difficult it must be hunting-and-pecking with a stylus in your mouth but keep a smile on your face!

They don't give you a stylus any more. You get an iPad, and you have to use your nose. (Or your tongue, but that streaks the screen even worse.)

157 Really, the solution is to remove maintenance insurance from the equation. I've got less against catastrophic insurance, but that maintenance thing has got to go. Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 27, 2012 01:18 PM (bjRNS) NOt sure I agree with that. History has shown than in medicine, as in most fields, prevention and basic well care is much much much cheaper than eventually having to treat the consequences of not doing that

158 ??/I guess you've never done business with the Federal Gov, because they just love giving money back to you?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 27, 2012 01:16 PM (i6RpT)

 

Ha~! You must be one of the 49% who don't pay then, thus an Honorary member of the 99%, possibly one of the 52% who gave us the Lyin kING?

159

Posted by: imp at January 27, 2012 01:10 PM (UaxA0)

Put forth your plan and let the Moron nation review.

 

160 <<on the other hand, recognize that giving money to an entity that has an incentive to deny giving money back to me as much as possible may not be the best way to go.>>

If your contract with the insurance company wasn't tied to your job and didn't have 300 pages of govt regulation in it then you would have a better understanding of what your buying. And in a truly free market insurance companies that didn't pay what they were supposed to would soon go out of business.

161 Billions of dollars are wasted every year by healthcare providers who need to practice "defensive medicine".

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 27, 2012 12:58 PM (RSqz2)

 

That's nothing compared to the tens of billions lost to Medicare fraud alone.

162

Everyone seems to love insurance companies. I, on the other hand,
recognize that giving money to an entity that has an incentive to deny
giving money back to me as much as possible may not be the best way to
go.
*****
Right, because there's no way that a competitive free market could provide incentives to improve customer service. That's just crazy talk. Better to leave things to a government solution.

 

One more time:  Health care and health insurance are not the same thing. 

163 ace, he's a fucking socialist, why is anyone surprised at his agenda?
He plans to nationalize everything he can and unionize the rest,

Not since the UK Labor party won after WWII have we seen so much destruction of capitalism.

164

Right, because there's no way that a competitive free market could provide incentives to improve customer service. That's just crazy talk. Better to leave things to a government solution.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head


What competitive free market?

When has the highly regulated insurance industry ever been a free market (which, given the potential for fraud, it cannot truly be)?

165

Of course the USF- like every other such program- didn't go away once it's goal of universal phone service was realized. Now it's a political slush fund for politicians to use on pet projects. Yet another 'hidden tax' that should've been done away with long ago.

 

What was the charge that was abolished a few years ago that was originally a tax to pay off the Spanish-American War?

 

You want healthcare and a spacebar, you kids are greedy

 

I want a unicorn and another foot of height too.  But then again, I've admitted to being ocassionally the Platonic Ideal of an Entitled Bitch.

166 NOt sure I agree with that. History has shown than in medicine, as in most fields, prevention and basic well care is much much much cheaper than eventually having to treat the consequences of not doing that

Not true- not in the aggregate anyway.  You don't get preventative care to reduce costs, you get it to "catch things early."  For any specific person it may be true that preventive care ends up less costly than forgoing the care and then getting majorly ill, but- in the aggregate- this is not true.

167

jwest - funny thing: if you quit paying for the so-called "ghetto dwellers" health care, one of two things will happen:

 

1)  They will figure it out and find a way to pay for it themselves.

 

2)  They won't, and eventually they won't be a "health problem" any more.

 

I'm about to the point where I don't really care what happens to them anymore myself.  And when enough people feel that way, this country is going to be in a world of hurt.

 

But you know what?  I've got grown kids now.  As long as Mom and Dad were footing the bill, they had NO CONCEPT of the value of things, even though we made them pay for lots of stuff on their own.

 

Once they had to start paying their OWN bills, they learned right quick how to prioritize their spending.  'Cuz we told them that the gravy train had stopped.

 

Darn if they weren't able to make it on their own.....

168

 What would be the conservative plan to “fix” healthcare?

This question may come up.
Here are some general guidelines:

1) Use the market, not coercion.

2) Reduce regulation. Allow insurance companies to see throughout the US.

3) Don't require any specific coverage. If you want to be insured against drug addiction, you can buy that insurance. If you don't have to.

4) Reduce medical malpractice exposure. Impose loser pays tort system.

5) Stop cost shifting, Don't let providers shift the cost of care for freeloaders onto people with health insurance and stop the drug companies from dumping all their developmental costs on Americans. Let the rest of the world pay their share of the costs.

6) Apply the antitrust laws to the healthcare industry; make them post their prices so everyone can see what it costs for every treatment.

169

Really, the solution is to remove maintenance insurance from the equation. I've got less against catastrophic insurance, but that maintenance thing has got to go.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 27, 2012 01:18 PM (bjRNS)

 

I agree.  Everything except catastrophic needs to be a direct patient to provider transaction that would eliminate the backroom expenses on the provider side of the equation.  When a service is given, a card is swiped and the provider is instantly paid out of a healthcare savings account.

 

Now, on the question of catastrophic care, what is the best solution that saves money?

170
How much of a stupid cocksucker is Chris Matthews?

Here's a short clip in which Pissbrain Matthews says Alinsky was no Lefty.

I shit you not.

http://tinyurl.com/6ozq5gl

171 Jury verdicts are not the reason for the high cost of medical care, unless you want to factor in the need of insurance companies to make profits no matter what it takes, or who they have to screw.

We have jury verdicts because insurance companies refuse to pay, even as they gouge the fuck out of doctors on malpractice premiums.

Bullshit. 

We have jury verdicts because scumbags like John Edwards manage to pull at the heartstrings of juries who award money regardless of whether any negligence occurred or not.

The cost of malpractice suits isn't just in the form of jury awards and malpractice insurance.  Enormous amounts of money are wasted due to the need to practice "defensive medicine"- unnecessary tests and procedures performed solely as a CYA maneuver to in case of lawsuit.

172
Saying the name Alinsky is just another dog whistle, says that fucking imbecile Chris Matthews.

173 65
ALL our problems can be solved with less govt.

Period. End.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2012 12:55 PM (G/zuv)

Actually, ALL of our problems can be solved by one well-place meteor.

174 You don't get preventative care to reduce costs, you get it to "catch things early." For any specific person it may be true that preventive care ends up less costly than forgoing the care and then getting majorly ill, but- in the aggregate- this is not true. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 01:24 PM (8y9MW) "You don't get preventative care to reduce costs, you get it to "catch things early."" but those are the same thing. Both in medicine and dentistry that is just how it works out. The old "Pay me now, or pay me more later" is very true

175 when asked in the 2008 campaign if he would raise capital gains tax rates even knowing that would 1) retard growth and 2) produce lower government revenues, he said, yes

This is the most critical insight into liberal thinking. It is not important that lives improve, and poverty is reduced, poverty is fine, suffering is fine, so long as individual outcomes are crushed, and mankind is homogenized into one "fair" herd of people, that is all that matters. It is at it's best delusional, the idea that you could build a perfectly fair world. It relies on assumptions about humanity which have been shown time and time again to be inherently false. To honestly believe in it is insanity, and to espouse belief in it in solely to garner power is wholly immoral.

176 stop the drug companies from dumping all their developmental costs on Americans. Let the rest of the world pay their share of the costs. this! btw, the big gardisil push is only 90 percent about the US youth's health. It's also a way for us to pay for the extremely subsidized vaccine rollouts to 3rd worlders. Merck gives gardisil to young women who really are at risk elsewhere in the world and they get paid by gov't pushing (or even requiring) the vaccine here.

177

OT:  Brewer relased her letter.  Not one disrespectful syllable in it.

178 What would be the conservative plan to “fix” healthcare? This question may come up. Posted by: jwest

http://www.cato.org/health-care

No need to thank me. Caring for retards is its own reward.

179

What was the charge that was abolished a few years ago that was originally a tax to pay off the Spanish-American War?

Tolls on the SF-Oakland Bay Bridge were supposed to be temporary too, until the cost of its construction was paid for. Which happened sometime in the 1940s, IIRC, but they're still collecting it.

180

Put forth your plan and let the Moron nation review.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition

I wish I had one.  There have to be enough people to form a critical mass somewhere.  I asked a few days ago if the entire idea of a conservative movement wasn't fatally flawed from the beginning like communism theoretically is.

We can't have a conservative government because government by it's very nature is self perpetuating and ratcheting.  I'm truly dejected politically right now.  Short of moving en masse to South Dakota or some shit, where can conservatives ever hope to make a difference?  We're scattered and slowly watching the work of generations be pissed away by idiot socialists and ravenous "state capitalists" (I love the Economist's headline, "State Capitalists" over a picture of Lenin)..

This includes the beloved "business" that free marketers rally behind, when it is exactly those businesses doling the most rent-seeking and rigging the game.  It's repulsive.

We have  sold our children's children into pecuniary bondage for a mess of pottage. 

181
Chris Matthews is amazed in this clip. (He should be amazed that he still has a show.)

http://tinyurl.com/82cz462

182 O/T Fitch has downgraded Spain, Italy, Belgium, Cyprus, and Slovenia.

183 Now, on the question of catastrophic care, what is the best solution that saves money?

A combination of insurance and a health spending account that doesn't go away every year. You put money into the HSA, and can increase your deductible to some percentage of the balance of that account.

Sure, making the HSA tax-free is government interference, but it's a soft interference.

184 Short of moving en masse to South Dakota or some shit, where can conservatives ever hope to make a difference?

It is, I think, part of the reason why we like the idea of going to the moon. It'll get us off-planet, and away from the idjits.

Because they won't want the risk.

185 I hate paying for roads and firemen! Who here isn't served by a volunteer fire dept and arent the majority of highway funds drawn from gas tax revenues?

186 59 Meanwhile, at Drudge:
REAL GDP COLLAPSE: 1.7% FOR YEAR
We haveeven lessexcess money now.
Run with this over the next 6 months. JEF will be de-elected.    

Posted by: Arbalest at January 27, 2012 12:53 PM (WfF4T)

 

In unadjusted Dollars? funny that inflation is higher than that growth... and REAL inflation is even higher...

187 Saying the name Alinsky is just another dog whistle, says that fucking imbecile Chris Matthews.

The dog whistle I use is "Shirley Jackson Lee."

188

HP, bullshit yourself.  Edwards gets what, 3-4 big wins like that in a lifetime?  I really don't know--10?  Whatever, the insurance companies are charging doctors THOUSANDS a MONTH in MP insurance.  They exist to MAKE MONEY.  I talked with a neurosurgeon a while ago on a plane, and he was talking about not practiceing any more, not because of the lawsuit risk, but because of insurance.  A doctor might get hit with a lawsuit every so often, but they pay every fucking month. 

Seriously, when was the last  time a med mal insurer lost money in a year?  And when the doc does screw up, honestly as it were, what happens, the insurance company gambles on a trial because they just have to pay policy limits anyway.  ANd if that bad defense is a breach of fiduciary duty, then what?  The doctor has to sue them, which they take to trial.  The insurance companies make money by NOT PAYING. 

What does that say?

189 >>So, what happens when some ghetto dweller shows up at a hospital
with some ailment? Who pays or are they turned out on the street?

Execution.

But, I'm in a pretty pissed mood today on account of being responsible and paying my bills.
I have no fucking sympathy for those who could do better but don't right now.
'Cause I've been a damned sight worse than them before.

190 Who here isn't served by a volunteer fire dept and arent the majority of highway funds drawn from gas tax revenues?

I'm in San Diego, so the fire department is not volunteer.

Also, for us, new highway construction is either a toll road, or subsidized by the wealthy paying tolls to use carpool lanes without actually carpooling.

Y'know, just like the private sector, only with eminent domain power.

191 >>>>140Everyone seems to love insurance companies. I, on the other hand, recognize that giving money to an entity that has an incentive to deny giving money back to me as much as possible may not be the best way to go.

Posted by: jwest at January 27, 2012 01:14 PM (FdndL)<<<<

 

And Obamacare just makes the US Government ONE BIG INSURANCE COMPANY.

 

If the Dems have their way, it will become the ONLY insurance company.

 

But the rubes who can't understand anything higher than a pretty speech at an 8th-grade level CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.  Obamacare isn't health CARE, it's health INSURANCE.....

192 What was the charge that was abolished a few years ago that was originally a tax to pay off the Spanish-American War?

Yeah, the Telephone Excise Tax.  According to Wiki it was originally passed to fund the Spanish-American war, but has been repealed and re-authorized many times since.

The feds lost a court case in 2006 resulting in the tax to be scaled back, but it's still in place for local phone service.  A bill to fully repeal it is currently stuck in House committee.

193 the need to practice "defensive medicine"- unnecessary tests and procedures performed solely as a CYA maneuver to in case of lawsuit.

Market value of a dyed MRI....on the cheap it is a grand.
Cost of a contrasted CT about the same.
Every blood test costs a couple of hundred.

Malpractice insurance is a major cost of healthcare, that is driven by settlements. You'll note big socialized medicine states like Canada, one of the first thing they do is eliminate non-malice malpractice suits. Effectually inserting an "It was an honest mistake" clause into the civil courts. So that you as a plaintiff have to prove that the doctor *knew* better and acted either with malice or deliberate negligence. No "reasonable doctor would have" standard like here in the US. That drives your associated legal costs of healthcare way down to put such a substantial and virtually unprovable burden on the plaintiff.

194 When has the highly regulated insurance industry ever been a free market (which, given the potential for fraud, it cannot truly be)?
*** *** *** ***
We're obviously talking about degrees of freedom. That is, freedom for entities to compete for business given a uniform set of rules. By the way, I completely disagree with your notion that a free market for a service cannot exist if there is potential for fraud. The potential for fraud exists with every transaction. Since when does a highly regulated environment prevent fraud?

195 Sure, making the HSA tax-free is government interference, but it's a soft interference.Posted by: Meiczyslaw

Wrong. Reducing taxes on individuals is reduction of government interference. The optimal and unobtainable level of taxation is zero and  moving toward that number results in less government interference.

196

A combination of insurance and a health spending account that doesn't go away every year. You put money into the HSA, and can increase your deductible to some percentage of the balance of that account.

Sure, making the HSA tax-free is government interference, but it's a soft interference.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 27, 2012 01:30 PM (bjRNS)

 

Not a bad idea.  It preserves the free market aspect while lowering the overall costs.

By tying the catastrophic policy premium to about 80% of an individualÂ’s HSA, and making the HSA unlimited and tax-free, it could reduce costs significantly.  Although people would scream about “fairness”, it would work.

197 What does that say?

Posted by: imp at January 27, 2012 01:34 PM (UaxA0)

It says that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

198 Jesus. You basically have three choices: Insurance companies, State-run bullshit like England or the Soviet Union, or the tooth fairy. Seriously, what other options do you have? Who's going to pay for it? PS what we have now is a blend between the first two. I don't want state-run DMV surly bitch health insurance, and I ain't gonna find an emergency room under my pillow. So there ya go. If the insurance companies were making 200% profit or something, people would have a point. But they aren't. Look, sometimes in life your choice isn't between wine & roses and beer & pizza, sometimes it's between a crap sandwich and a knuckle sandwich. It's like millions of people have been deluded into the idea that life is supposed to be fair. Effin' Sesame Street.

199

Effectually inserting an "It was an honest mistake" clause into the civil courts. So that you as a plaintiff have to prove that the doctor *knew* better and acted either with malice or deliberate negligence. No "reasonable doctor would have" standard like here in the US. That drives your associated legal costs of healthcare way down to put such a substantial and virtually unprovable burden on the plaintiff.

OK, then how do you deal with a murderer like Gosnell in that situation?

I'm even open to caps on pain and suffering, but medical (hard economic) expenses to fix or maintain, even for honest mistakes, has to be available.

And if that happens, then insurance has to be regulated, since you can't gore one ox without goring the other. 

There has to be a consequence for fucking up.  And if so, there has to be a balance with not only the harm done, but the making whole of the injured.

200 Oh, you could go to a cash market also. Once upon a time charities filled in the gaps (and medicine was simpler, cheaper, and less effective). That could happen again IF somehow Leviathan was extracted from the mix. So, four choices.

201 I dunno.  Teh Kraut's preaching to the choir, IMO.  Articulates it spectaculary, but nonetheless, he's just repeating what we all know to be true about most Democrat's complete lack of understanding of business and how it works.  Because they make their money through graft, they have no knowledge of those funny business ideals that the rest of us little people espouse.

202

Yep, HP, no fucking clue.

At all.

203

Once upon a time charities filled in the gaps (and medicine was simpler, cheaper, and less effective).

Yep, Merovign.  Of course, now charities are being forced out of the mix by insurance company written bullshit like Obamacare, which mandates morally unacceptable bullshit like contraception for Catholic hospitals. 

The wedding of "capitalism" and government is ever a toxic brew.  And don't pretend now that  we have anything approaching a free market or honest competition, HP.

204 Fairness == other people stealing the shit you worked hard to get.

205 But, I'm in a pretty pissed mood today on account of being responsible and paying my bills.
I have no fucking sympathy for those who could do better but don't right now.
'Cause I've been a damned sight worse than them before.

Posted by: Jimmuy at January 27, 2012 01:34 PM (7jkW7)

 

Trade em for a worker from Mehiho. Start a prison on the border and when a border hopper enters send a professional baby maker south. Cures cheap labor problem, improves the welfare rolls and balances the budget, plus most of the ones going south wont need suntan lotion! Have ya ever tried to buy suntan lotion in mehiho?

 

Seriously , hint, they don't need it there just gringos do.

206

The point of this exercise about the conservative version of a healthcare plan is that our side should have one concept that can be explained and contrasted to Obamacare. 

 

ItÂ’s hard going into an election year with one side saying they are going to give you a free lunch and the other side saying to eat shit.  Even with something as unpopular as Obamacare, there will be a natural tendency for people to look for the gift horse.

207

Obamacare, there will be a natural tendency for people to look for the gift horse.

 

In this case the gift horse is buried under horse shit for most of us but keep lookin I'm sure it's under there somewhere!

208

A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public fisc.

209 I figure Bill O'Reilly isn't very popular here, but in this segment he replays his 2008 interview with Obama in which Obama says he is against raising the capital gains tax to 30 percent. But now, raising that tax rate is a central position in his class warfare/"fairness" election platform.

I think this video is very valuable in presenting Obama as someone who will do and say anything if he thinks it will help him get elected and I'm surprised none of the blogs I read have used it. Give it a look.

 http://goo.gl/vjSdI

210

I think this video is very valuable in presenting Obama as someone who will do and say anything if he thinks it will help him get elected and I'm surprised none of the blogs I read have used it. Give it a look.

 

You mean there's folks on this planet that don't know this yet. if they don't they are too dumb to vote

211

"Soviet central planners mandated quotas for steel production, regardless of demand."

 

I heard part of a news story on the radio today that you would not believe.

 

They were talking about how few cars are being built these days, but that the car companies are doing better. Normal people would explain this as "fewer people feel financially confident enough to buy new cars", and that the car companies have restructured and adjusted to the new realities of the marketplace.

 

Instead, they explained that the car companies used to just produce as many cars as they could, generating unhealthy competition. These days, in comparison, led by govt-owned GM, they don't make as many cars so that there isn't an oversupply.

 

Wow. A fairy tale of central planning coming to the rescue. What country am I in, again?!?

212 {i]Wrong. Reducing taxes on individuals is reduction of government interference. The optimal and unobtainable level of taxation is zero and moving toward that number results in less government interference.

Adding loopholes in the tax code is an attempt to get you to do something, which is why I'm calling it interference.

In this case, it's tasty, rewarding interference, which is why I also characterize it as "soft".

213

"I wish people would focus more on Obama's odd conception of the role of government in the economy. " Amen.

People seem to think that voting for the President of the United States is equivalent to voting for the CEO of the United States Economy or even the CEO of the Global Economy.

Would like to see debates revolve around the Preamble to the United States Constitution. Educate the public regarding just what in the fuck the USA was designed to be while ripping the Democrat version.

214 "He's not at all interested in how that wealth actually gets created. Or in fashioning policies that encourage the creation of wealth."

Because he is too stupid to comprehend it. Seriously.

He's a street agitator where those who actually create products and wealth via their own initiative are perceived by him as Uncle Pennybags. His education manufactured caricatures of reality. He believes that private enterprise can be ridden and abused without any feedback loops or repercussions. He literally has no comprehension of viable economics other than if others have wealth, take it and spread it.

IOW, a SCoaMF.

215

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 12:36 PM (8y9MW)

Excellent point. I still respect the rich. They pay me to work and stuff. And there are still rich people that do a lot for charity (regardless of the motive, it is much more effective than tax & governmentr programs).

216 "You don't get preventative care to reduce costs, you get it to "catch things early."" but those are the same thing. Both in medicine and dentistry that is just how it works out. The old "Pay me now, or pay me more later" is very true

I know this is a dead thread, but I'm just getting back to it...

Sort of.  Note that I was talking about "in the aggregate."  Certainly it's cheaper to have the preventative/well-care visits if you ever are diagnosed with something (it's much cheaper to catch cancer early than late).  But the vast majority of people will never be diagnosed with anything major.  So for them, all that preventative medicine didn't really do anything except cost money.

217

"He's not at all interested in how that wealth actually gets created."

 

He's what Rand called a "looter". Looters never bother thinking about where the wealth comes from. If they did, it might make them think twice about looting. They prefer the fantasy that wealth is just "natural resources" sitting around, and that if one person is rich while another is poor, it's because the rich dude grabbed more than his share, or took it from the poor dude.

 

That calls to mind one of the Lefty themes in the movie "Independence Day". Aside from its fantasy about usurping the holiday that celebrates the birth of America, it describes the aliens as "locusts" who hop from planet to planet "using up the natural resources" before moving on. Well, if it really worked that way life on Earth would have come to a screeching halt a long, long time ago.

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You know, Jerry Boyer had Obama figured out way before Obama's election. He wrote a piece explaining that Obama is a Fabian Socialist, something with which Boyer was familiar, he said, because his own father had been one. So I had heard about that stuff long before Glenn Beck started his mini college course on that sort of political stuff on Fox.

 

If there was any doubt, one just needs to 1st remember that Obama quite literally ran on a socialist minor party (called the New Party) when he ran for state senate back in Illinois. It's a matter of public record, not some wild-eyed consipracy theory. 2nd, recall his recent comparison of himself to previous presidents. He compared himself to FDR and Johnson (who brought us Social Security and Medicare), with Lincoln thrown in as an afterthought (apparently for the lesser accomplishment of essentially ending slavery).

 

The Cloward-Piven strategy of the Fabian Socialists calls for overwhelming the capacity of the government to pay for entitlement programs, and here we see Obama completely disinterested in assuring that those programs remain solvent. I'm not sure he even throws us so much as an empty promise about it.  Instead, he spent all the political capital he could muster to ram yet another massive financial black hole down our throats, and rang up almost a Trillion in new debt for the spendulus alone (that being a robbery of the treasury - for lefty causes - of such massive proportions that Jessie James could never have begun to imagine that such a thing was possible).

 

Using Cloward-Piven as a measuring stick, I would have to agree with Obama that his "legislative accomplishments" exceed most, if not all, of his predecessors. Even Conservatives don't seem to have picked up on this, but you would think the average independent on the street would pick up on a sense that something is just wrong.

219 Malpractice does not drive up the healthcare costs but they want you to believe that so you all happily spout it.

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@216 "Because he is too stupid to comprehend it. Seriously."

 

Don't make that mistake. It is NOT a matter of being stupid. It is a matter of being morally corrupt. The looter is not stupid - the looter steals stuff from other people and rationalizes that they DESERVE that money by virtue of a) having less, b) because the other guy got it "unfairly", c) because the other guy "victimized" me, d) I'm just so goddamn awesome, or e) anything else they can think of.

Again, trying to understand how wealth is created undermines that entire process, so they don't do it. They even establish a simple-minded denial that wealth is actually created. Anything to rationalize taking stuff from other people.

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I believe in American ingenuity. We get things done. We can do anything we put our minds to. Except when it comes to producing safe nuclear energy. That is why we are going to provide energy to this country with love.

♫ That's the Power of Love ♫

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Look, Jan, let's not quibble over our diferences.

223 Look, I am a Democrat, but, ahh, I agree with Abraham Lincoln when he said something like, you know, the only time government should act is when the government can do stuff better for people than they can do themselves. You know, like, buying houses, or TV's, or bikes, or cell phones, or shake weights, and plates and paper and pencils and jooery and tape measures and wate and shoes and cars and paper clips and calendars and milk and barbecue grills and grass seed and thumb tacks and, you know, when they buy food or feed themselves or when their kids eat in school and stuff like that....

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e) anything else they can think of.

How about this? Because if they are really Christians, they would not only give their shirt when someone asks for it, but also their coat and whatever else they have. Democrats just love people more. So there.

225 Optimizer: "Don't make that mistake. It is NOT a matter of being stupid. It is a matter of being morally corrupt."

While corrupt, he is economically stupid. He has no concept of business and economics other than that a government apparatus can be established to raid enterprise.

226 Malpractice doesn't drive up health care costs???????

227 He's not at war against wealth. Obama just wants to spread the poverty around.