1 The Beatening

2 Congrats Ace, you've made it on their radar. Let me know what you've won.

3 I am amazed at how many "mainstream" right wing political blogs are openly discussing things that were once reserved for the CTers. Tyranny, rebellions, secession, death, three term presidents, etc.

Same thing with the comments on major news websites.

Interesting times.

4 The time for tweets and such is long past.

It really is time to grab pitchforks & torches and start physically protesting the corrupt media.

As is often said at Small Dead Animals, "not showing up to riot is a failed conservative policy".

5 I am boycotting NBC, ABC, CBS, and CNN.

6 LiB will fix more than the Free Shit Army.

7 What else is new? Why do you think Let it Burn has legs? Futility. They control the media and the educational system. They decide what is "cool" and what is not. Exactly what is left? Good post Ace.

8 Finally. I've been saying this for years. These fuckers AREN'T BIASED! They're partisan activists. They all whored their integrity out a long time ago.

9 Why can't we boycott NBC? All they have is one football game a week, other than that their programming sucks.

10 Meadowlark Lemon.  HAHA. Well played sir!

11 I hate that you're becoming cynical, Ace. you're going to hate it.

12 Thread stompers and claim jumpers. Grrrrr. Two of a kind. It's back to the cfb bowl pick-em thread for me.

13

They have simply decided that they are the DNC's Media Arm.

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ace, they interpret the latest election result as validation that the public likes what they are offering. So why would they need any pretense of objectivity at all?

 

What they're doing is working, so they're just gonna roll.

14 So how? We have Fox, Daily Caller, The Blaze, and they aren't changing a thing. I'm not being antagonistic, I just really don't see a road to cultural success via the news media. And we can't make explicitly conservative.movies because they're marked as such and dismissed.so...where do.we go?

15 If the Evil Breitbart Empire and the Crazy Beck Consortium could bury the hatchet we could put together a real media presence.

16 We know that the Democrats hate women. They value them as the slave owner values slaves. The MBM knows that the Democrats hate women.


Time to take it to the individual Democrats and ask them why they hate women.

17

As the goons so eloquently stated yesterday:

 

"What are you gonna do about it?"

18 The Russian journalists of old at PRAVDA stand in awe of the journalists in the US. 

19

Any organization not explicitly conservative will become liberal over time.

20 Look at the shows on NBC.com and tell me that there's one thing you can't live without. It all is terrible.

21 I'll just echo others' comments.  It's going to take another revolution to restore some balance in the country, and it's going to take a total meltdown before we can launch the second revolution.  Sad and scary, but there it is.

22 >>>>The Blaze, and they aren't changing a thing. I'm not being antagonistic, I just really don't see a road to cultural success via the news media. And we can't make explicitly conservative.movies because they're marked as such and dismissed.so...where do.we go?

We need all forms. Not just news. These operations are young, only a year old in the case of The Blaze. Progressives started making a power play for culture in the 1800s, don't expect to win it back overnight.

23 [after playing out all possible outcomes for Global Thermonuclear War]
Joshua: Greetings, Professor Falken.
Stephen Falken: Hello, Joshua.
Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

24 >>>Look at the shows on NBC.com and tell me that there's one thing you can't live without. It all is terrible.

Muted Sunday Night Football. But that's OK because
1. I watch broadcast TV
2. I don't have a Neilson box.

25 Look at the shows on NBC.com and tell me that there's one thing you can't live without. It all is terrible.


Can you live without NFL football until they fire Costas?

26

@14 -  We have Fox, Daily Caller, The Blaze, and they aren't changing a thing.

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For something like this to work, you need more than just a handful of sites.  You need a large network that you can rely on both for sources, and to quote you approvingly.  When sources are identified, you don't want to keep seeing the same names keep coming up every time.

 

27 I thought that your earlier post about starting websites and buying women's magazines offered a realistic, cheap option that the grassroots could engage in. But it's a non starter bc I don't think conservatives would be willing to labor over 90% of fluff in order to produce 10% of political messaging.

28 "I now understand that it is completely futile to note the extreme and blatant partisanship of the allegedly "mainstream" media because they have consciously embraced this partisan mantle." Yea I agree with this. I don't understand why people on the right feel the need to point out every, single time when the media shows partisanship. We've got it. They've got it. Everyone's got it. They are partisan. They are hacks. But pointing it out over and over and over again for years has managed to do nothing. So why get upset when someone on the right finally says "meh, don't feel like talking about it?"

29 They have simply decided that they are the DNC's Media Arm. The OPENLY report that they meet with the WH constantly. No one even cares in the public squares. If W had a regular "media coordination meeting" with the alphabets every week and Hannity and Rush, et. al. were seen at meetings with the pres on a regular basis the freaking WORLD Press would go apeshit. Progressive admin?....crickets.

30 Any organization not explicitly conservative will become liberal over time.

Posted by: imp at December 13, 2012 04:25 PM (UaxA0)

I think it is worse than that and the correct statement is "That any organization will become liberal over time!" because of relentless marxist societal pressure for pseudo-fairness and pseudo-equality.

31 This is surreal. The last thing I want is to gin up more outrage over anything. Online outrage is useless and unproductive. That's what I'm trying to say!!

32 Regarding alternative media... it's a good idea. It really is. But as history and most other countries around the world show us... well.. prepare to disappear if you dissent.

Am I a conspiracy theorist? Nope.

Disappearances are not that far down the logical line. It starts with hidden bias, moves to propaganda and, inevitable, people go missing.

It happens every damn time.

33 Hi ace, welcome to the pool party. Glenn Reynolds and I have warmed up the water for you!

34 3 I am amazed at how many "mainstream" right wing political blogs are openly discussing things that were once reserved for the CTers. Tyranny, rebellions, secession, death, three term presidents, etc.
Same thing with the comments on major news websites.
Interesting times.
Posted by: ElKomandante at December 13, 2012 04:20 PM (72QgB)

On the other hand we heard a lot of the same kind of stuff from the left after Bush was re-elected in 2004. And that was koo-koo-bananas shit.

Being mentally where the Democrats were circa January 2005 ain't a good place to be.

35 I forget who wrote this -- I think a commenter quoted it yesterday. But the effect of a critical conservative media has NOT been to pull them to the center, but to liberate them, ultimately, to not even pretend. I think at some point they realized they were biased, but they also decided *this is what we want to report and this is the way we like it.* So, partial victory: yes, we exposed their bias. But major backfire: They decided they'd rather embrace it. I used to buy the idea they were dying. Perhaps they are, but it's a slow, slow death. We need to kill them, and the present weapons aren't working.

36 Cheer up ace.

I frankly don't believe this fight is going to be won on the internet, where people gather (naturally so) with those who agree with them.
Or for that matter in the media (which is also becoming tribal in a sense.)

It will be won in family rooms, coffee shops and church basements around the country.

37 Clearly, ranting from Fapstations is the solution.

38 I am boycotting NBC, ABC, CBS, and CNN. Good, you can still watch ESPN. Wanna laugh? Google ESPN and 'cornball brother'. Post-racial AmeriKKKa in action. It's a hoot.

39 Awesome! Now the HQ just needs to get a signature Paul Anka riff about the guys getting shirts and not wifebeater tees and we'll be set for crazy HuffPo blog money.

40

Nicely said, Ace.

 

"...They are now comfortable with it; they have tried on Open Partisanship and like the way it looks on them."

 

And they even give each other 'attaboys' on how well they advocate their single-minded support of Dems.

They openly revel in their Us-against-Them-mentality.

 

What steams me...is when some Dem in Congress will use a contrived liberal 'news story' as a lead-in to a rant, and a proposal for a new law.

This completes the circle of colusion.

 

 

41 I don't know how to fix the media but, hell, I don't even know the second step in this formula:

1.  Raise taxes.

2. ????

3.  Prosperity!

42 >>>The last thing I want is to gin up more outrage over anything. Online outrage is useless and unproductive.

Your statement outrages me.

43 And my comment wasn't a knock on your last post, Ace. I was trying to say how bipolar we are. One minute we're talking about going to the mattresses, the next we're giggling about tentacle prOn.

44

>>Now, the leftwing blogs have simply gone into Defend the Media mode, so the media no longer bothers defending itself. They'll figure out their reasons for embargoing a story after Kos explains it to them.

So they're no longer even entertaining a dialogue, or pretending to have any professional interest in objectivity.




You are on a roll Ace, keep it coming because you're catching some buzz rattling some cages.

45 Lets ban soothsayer so nothing like this ever happens again.

46 ace, it's just you and that damn Johnson, they make Moran so angry he has to beat the fuck out of his woman.

47 >>>One minute we're talking about going to the mattresses, the next we're giggling about tentacle prOn.


engaging media has multiple facets.

48 Online outrage is useless and unproductive.


RINO

49

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 04:32 PM (VtjlW)

 

Gump reference.... well played... /golf clap

50 Soothsayer's giving me grief don't let that sheet get to you it doesn't matter

51 Why cant the liberal institutions be infiltrated? I know that is a long game approach, but we have to start somewhere. The thought of engaging liberals to try and convert them is sickening and feels like punching yourself in the face. I have found out you just cannot enlighten stupid people.

52 >>>But it's a non starter bc I don't think conservatives would be willing to labor over 90% of fluff in order to produce 10% of political messaging. ehhh... I could see the resistance. I could see the dumb thinking that unless almost every piece *expressly* pushes a line, there's no value in it, and that 90% fun stuff is just a waste. But here's the thing: it's that 90% that makes it *profitable,* too. It's not just like you're losing money. The media I'm talking about shouldn't be subsidized by some White Knight willing to fork over money year after year to keep a money-losing business afloat. It should seek a profit, and make one, because it's aiming at a larger, more general audience than Dedicated Conservative Activists. If you look at the way They do it, they don't put political stuff in in every article. Just where they can sneak it in.

53 Lets ban soothsayer so nothing like this ever happens again.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 13, 2012 04:31 PM (+paCV)

Well, if you don't agree with Ace 110%, why should you get to present an opposing view? 

Ban Baby Ban!

54 engaging media has multiple facets. Is this my fortune cookie fortune? You speak in riddles. Stop the madness!

55 >>We need to kill them, and the present weapons aren't working.
Posted by: ace at December 13, 2012 04:30 PM (LCRYB)

I'm kinda partial to sharpened wooden stakes.

56 One amusing takeaway here is that the media is cheerleading the abyss, and no matter which side survives it, the prognosis for prominent media personalities is not good.

57 >>>Why cant the liberal institutions be infiltrated? I know that is a long game approach, but we have to start somewhere.

Because they don't mind being openly discriminatory.

58 Online outrage is useless and unproductive.

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But useless and unproductive are my best moves.

59 Can you live without NFL football until they fire Costas?

The Sunday night game is on the radio every week in most markets.  Westwood One.  Not sure if they're evil or not, someone will have to look into it.

60 They have simply decided that they are the DNC's Media Arm.

The big question is, will they pay a price for this?

The big media companies are shedding viewers/readers and cash like Sandra Fluke's cooter sheds a smelly discharge.  But they certainly don't think their obvious bias is costing them viewers.  To them, its teh internetz! (I had a rather long email exchange with the ombudsman of the L.A. Times about this once, and before he refused to talk to me anymore he basically said this when I pointed out the Times' cratering readership.)

Frankly, at this point I'm not so sure that they're wrong.  Given the depths of the inability of the electorate to perform critical thinking on even the most basic level (as demonstrated by O'Fuckhead's re-election) I don't think any level of obvious bias will cost them much of their audience.  The audience is too dumb to care.  That makes me pessimistic that any of the MSM will ever have the self-awareness or conscious to be ashamed of what they call "journalism."

Maybe we'll have to wait for history to beat them bloody but I'm not even expecting that.  I'm afraid these fucks will be the ones who write the history, and what it will depict will be the Triumph of Enlightened Reporting Over the Benighted Forces of Conservative Primitivism.

61 Maybe it's because he doesn't read Twitter, so he's not where I am. So, out catting around with Twitter instead of dancing with the blog what brung ya. Shame.

62 Every day I just get more and more depressed.

63 >>>I used to buy the idea they were dying. Perhaps they are, but it's a slow, slow death. We need to kill them, and the present weapons aren't working.

I could swear this is exactly what I wrote in the earlier thread.

64 Good, you can still watch ESPN. Wanna laugh? Google ESPN and 'cornball brother'.

Post-racial AmeriKKKa in action. It's a hoot.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 13, 2012 04:30 PM (feFL6)

No ESPN is part of ABC.

65 I was trying to say how bipolar we are. One minute we're talking about going to the mattresses, the next we're giggling about tentacle prOn. Posted by: soothsayer at December 13, 2012 04:30 PM (jUytm) Yes. Because we are actual human beings who have a plethora of interests and who are capable of enjoying life while still being aware of the seriousness of the situation in which we find ourselves.

66 soothsayer, I tried to soften what I was saying to you in this post. I tried to say "Here's why I have a sense of futility" and "here's why I'm tired of hitting the same points." I did try to lay off attacking you. And you did prod me to post WHY I was thinking this way.

67

There may be some hope in the 40 or so publications who switched their endorsements to Romney right before the election.

 

I know, who reads newspapers anyway, right? But they do exert some influence locally. If the editors are already so disillusioned with preazy they couldn't endorse him, maybe they will be more disposed to treat the coming second term more objectively.

 

They might be the fissure in the wall.

68 >>>But it's a non starter bc I don't think conservatives would be willing to labor over 90% of fluff in order to produce 10% of political messaging. Ever watch Law & Order or TMZ or hear a line in a sitcom about how stupid Palin is? That stuff comes from the owners' and editors' cultures. When not specifically ordered.

69 90% fun, eh? So the Lingerie Economics idea might just work.

70 I'm just following politics for the laffs, now. All the rage is gone. Feels good.

71 What are you all freaking out about? Do you think Obama's half-baked failed warmed over Marxist policies are going to work? Do you think that berating successful people that are already paying that they're greedy and must pay more is going to motivate them to give up their hard earned money? Is Obamacare going to work?

The people decided on Nov. 6 that they still wanted Mommy to take care of them. They're about to find out reality doesn't work this way.

72 While we believe that boycotting is futile because the low information Americans will still soak it up, it may not be.

If enough do it to lower ratings by a point, that's a big difference to what they can charge advertisers, and could be the difference between Matt Lauer or Soledad O'Brien getting a nice fat new contract or getting their walking papers.

They need us more than we need them, we might be the difference in that slim margin which means Anderson Cooper anchoring a show for big bucks or doing entertainment beat fluff at 1/10th the salary

Don't give up on the influence of the internet just yet. After all, Dan Rather was taken down by a post on Free Republic, and even though they have no shame it takes time from their day to swat at the flies buzzing around their empty heads.

BTW, the average age of MSM viewership is over 55. Advertisers don't pay the big bucks to reach viewers who already have brand preferences

73 No, Ace they come up with a theme, like the 'evils of fracking' in Promised Land, they pitch it to their benefactors in FAZ Abu Dhabi, then they create a script, and cast around it.

74 Every day I just get more and more depressed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 04:35 PM (XkWWK)

Believe me, you are not alone, it just seems that way!

75 Everything will get sorted out in the Starving Time. LiFB.

76 The vast majority of conservatives and independents who get their news from TV already watch Fox.  Starting another news outlet only competes with Fox for marketshare it won't reach left leaning viewers who are currently watching the legacy networks or MSNBC and CNN.  They watch biased TV for a reason, they like the bias, it speaks to their worldview.

The problem isn't the narrative crafted by the MSM, most people aren't watching the MSM anyway.  The problem is the combined narrative crafted by the MSM, academia, K-12 education, non-news TV (Comedy Central/MTV/AMC/HBO/SHO), magazines, Hollywood movies, the art world and popular music.  The left owns the culture, creating Fox News 2.0 minus the right leaning pundits on in the evening will have zero impact I'm afraid.

If they can ignore non-biased Bret Baier's reporting on the Benghazi scandal then they can ignore his non-biased "New Network" counterpart's reporting on the Crowder beating.

We have to win back the culture first and we need a more comprehensive plan for that.  Step one: figure out the details of how the left took over damn near everything and how we let them.  Until that happens this is all just talk.

77 We need to kill them, and the present weapons aren't working. What are you saying, Ace, that we need to do something different; get off this beaten path we're on? hmmm, capital idea!

78 Can you live without NFL football until they fire Costas? I have lived without NFL football since the Cowboys won their last super bowl.

79 Ah done for the day

80 I cut cable and don't even have an antenna to get local channels. I only have internet. All I miss is football, and I walk to the local bar to watch that. Try it out, it's doable, and money back in your pocket.

81 I know, who reads newspapers anyway, right?

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I noticed that on the mall shooter's Facebook page under the favorite books section he wrote that he doesn't read.  Illiteracy, the wave of the future.

82 >>>i>Can you live without NFL football until they fire Costas? I'm a Broncos fan, so if it's not a Sunday night broncos game, then I don't have to watch it. If it is a Sunday night Broncos game, maybe I'll just go to a bar where they'll show it. So pretty much if we all ignore NBC for all but 2-3 days out the year, they'll have problems.

83 Can you live without NFL football until they fire Costas? I have lived without NFL football since the Cowboys won their last super bowl. Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 13, 2012 04:38 PM (GFM2b) Hey I'm a Jet's fan, I can live without .......

84 >>>But it's a non starter bc I don't think conservatives would be willing to labor over 90% of fluff in order to produce 10% of political messaging.

Shameless self plug. That is something we have to change if we want to exist in the future. We need to be willing to dive in and compete in the market of ideas, art and entertainment. So that the villian in every movie is the crypto fascist hiding behind a BS popular movement, not the evil industrialist bulldozing trees and killing blue people.

85 It's all like a train wreck in those old black and white movies.  No sound, but you can see it coming.  Might as well make popcorn and enjoy the show. 

86 Ace, do you mean that they are G*D Damned evil mutherfuckers that ought to be beaten down on sight?




That's my interpretation of it anyway.

87 Damn. I clearly missed something. That'll teach me.

88 #27  I would be willing to preside over 90% fluff,  and I can tell you there are a lot of other people who would as well.

People need JOBS.   I bet a lot of out of work morons would be HAPPY to edit recipes and home decor with 10% political content.

And how about some original women's stories,  like "How to stretch your food bill by cooking like it's 1940?"   Or, "I decorated my entire house with items found along the curb? " (I actually know someone who did this.

There are plenty of things to put in a women's magazine that NEVER gets covered. 

89 And you did prod me to post WHY I was thinking this way. That's more like it. So you're saying I'm your muse? That'll do.

90 We really, really do simply have to create our own media. Period. That's it. There is no other option. I can write a dozen posts and a thousand tweets but there's no way ABCNews carries any story that doesn't benefit the DNC and Obama. Don't we have rich Jews? I fear the enemy has more rich Jews than we do. Mr. President, we have a rich Jew gap!

91 Ever watch Law & Order or TMZ or hear a line in a sitcom about how stupid Palin is? That stuff comes from the owners' and editors' cultures. When not specifically ordered. Posted by: Daybrother at December 13, 2012 04:36 PM (+paCV) I cannot tell you how many people I've had to tell that Sarah Palin did not say she could see Russia from her house, that it was Tina Fey on SNL. I've had people accuse me of lying about that. In addition to the binders thing, can anyone explain Tina Fey's popularity to me? She is not funny. At all.

92 Offshore boats and jam the signal of the MFM. WE CONTROL THE HORIZONTAL WE CONTROL THE VERTICAL etc., etc.

93 Mr. President, we have a rich Jew gap! *Snerk!*

94 It really is time to grab pitchforks torches and start physically protesting the corrupt media.

The Today show has a window that shows you the smiling faces of the crowd outside.  Just sayin'.

95 Everything will get sorted out in the Starving Time.


There will be some pre-sorting during the Burning Time.

96 Leftwing Blogs Discover The Real Culprit Behind Pat Moran's Woman-Beating: Me

If you're taking flak, then you're over the target.

97

43...I was trying to say how bipolar we are. One minute we're talking about going to the mattresses, the next we're giggling about tentacle prOn.

 

Posted by: soothsayer at December 13, 2012 04:30 PM (jUytm)

 

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Bipolar?

No...just not singularly obsessed with what we are disgusted with.

 

98 ahhh, so the "impotent" line of attack was really on yourself because I was, like, wait, how does Ace know about...

99 Shameless self plug. That is something we have to change if we want to exist in the future.

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I've given up on the future and only hope someone invents a reasonably priced time machine so I can go back to 1952. 

100 There will be some pre-sorting during the Burning Time. Ah, The Airing of Grievances.

101

"Being mentally where the Democrats were circa January 2005 ain't a good place to be."

 

Let me get this straight. 

 

During the peak of economic good times and US global dominance, The Left, masters of  reality and purveyors of projection  that they are, see a slowdown on the path to national ruin as a Really Bad  Thing and freak out.

 

Smash cut to 2012 and Republicans, during the 5th year of the Next Great Depression, see  doubling down on socialism, creeping loss of liberty, and diminishing world influence as a Really Bad Thing and freak out.

 

Yep, pretty much the same.  Got it.

102 Former Nebraska Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, on the shortlist for secretary of defense in the second Obama administration, sits on the board of a bank that is under investigation for allegedly violating United States sanctions on Iran. The revelation could complicate the possible nomination of Hagel, who has come under sharp criticism for what critics describe as his troubling foreign policy views, which include calling for direct unconditional talks with Iran. Hagel reportedly met with President Barack Obama on Dec. 4 to discuss the Secretary of Defense position, according to Bloomberg News, and has passed the White House counselÂ’s vetting process. Hagel was appointed in 2009 to Deutsche BankÂ’s Americas Advisory Board. The paid position placed him in close contact with the bankÂ’s senior leadership.

103 The problem is deeper than just buying up moar media. The fact is, liberals are overwhelmingly single or DINK and just not interested in the old babymaking (beyond 1 or 2 IVF miracles in their late 30s to mid40s). I know plenty of people debunking the media veil offline subtly and with success, but they aren't blogging because they're busy raising kids and the best they can manage is a few comments here and there online. Libs have an army of hyperpartisan singles willing to literally sell their individual claim on the future (kids) in favor of the hope of a collective claim on the future (propagandizing other people's kids). Unless right wingers are willing to go big and offer a *real* support structure for parents (especially part-time and SAH parents) to write/create in their free time, it will be a long time before the liberal reign is ended. I will say that the schools have jumped the shark and a lot of parents are effectively dodging their propaganda, more than you'd think of course looking at the news.

104 While I used to think there was some value in criticizing or shaming the media, I am now certain that there is no value in it, because they are shameless, have decided that they will carry the water for the Democratic Party with no more cover than the simple assertion that they're not. exactly. Turn EVERY INTERACTION you (or whoever) have with the Progressive Religion into a venue/platform of what YOU want to say. People made fun of Michelle Bachmann for doing this, but clearly they didn't get it. I have used this strategy a lot. Completely ignore the question or discussion if it is not a real one, and answer/respond with what I want to say. It's fine if Soledad wants to discuss racism AT you, but you can simply quote a racist quote from the Progressive Religious types, like Obama, or Pelosi, Biden, etc. Or, you can talk about the increase in food stamps, what you're getting your wife for Christmas, or even the weather. I'm going out of bounds here, but you get the picture. Say what YOU want, whenever you want. Repeat it. But, turn it on them in the most clever way. Use the opening to channel your message. Forget whatever the hell they are saying, because it is always bs.

105 they are no longer JournOlists, they are fellow community organizers.

106 gigg423: Everyone understands they want liberty and opportunity. Republicans have have been painted as religious-fascists and anti-immigrant bigots for the past 20 years. Those two things make a party look corrupt and evil, and are much simpler to explain than than entitlement suicide and "socialism." I have an unemployed friend who refuses to get any form of assistance and works odd jobs to survive. He voted for Obama because he was afraid his wife would lose free birth-control. There are segments of the population who may be in need, or sucking on the tit, but that doesn't mean they want to be, or even identify with the philosophy behind it. Republicans just aren't viewed as a party of opportunity... at least with Democrats they can expect handouts.

107 Shameless self plug. That is something we have to change if we want to exist in the future. We need to be willing to dive in and compete in the market of ideas, art and entertainment. So that the villian in every movie is the crypto fascist hiding behind a BS popular movement, not the evil industrialist bulldozing trees and killing blue people.

Posted by: Mike The Moose is Shrugging at December 13, 2012 04:38 PM (0q2P7)

Fluff magazines cause brain damage. There is a reason why conservatives don't do that stuff. You have to throw out ninety percent of your mental capabilities to not go insane just reading it.

If the proposed solution is that we have to become idiots so that we can talk to idiots, I think we are looking at the problem wrong.

108 "We need to kill them, and the present weapons aren't working." I can think of some that will work. Just sayin'.

109 >>>Starting another news outlet only competes with Fox for marketshare it won't reach left leaning viewers who are currently watching the legacy networks or MSNBC and CNN. They watch biased TV for a reason, they like the bias, it speaks to their worldview. 1. That wouldn't happen for a long time. 2. Fox has enough money and can afford to lose some to competitors. 3. The presence of a SECOND fair network would do wonders for the cause. People couldn't just point out fox as a singular weird deviation. Now there'd be two, and further, there would be differences in the micro-audiences each targeted. Frankly, I like Fox, etc. etc., bu they are too self-consciously and self-admittedly and aggressively "on the other side" to be general interest. The most effective bias, the media has shown us, is the sneakier variety.

110 Twitchy is basically MM right?

111 The only thing I watch on TV right now is brief interludes of FoxB, an occasional movie provided on the Satelite channels (free), and my own BluRays and DVDs.


I could kill the satellite and string a short antenna to get the local station that carries wifey's wheel of fortune show.


But I do use the satellite for listening to music. The problem there is the station I like for that is in the middle tier.


The problem with FM radio here is that I am in the middle of nowhere and can get little or nothing without putting up a 100 ft tower. The local FM ( 50 radius) is noting but gospel, soul, top 40, and modern country which is not country.  IOW shit.

112 94 The Today show has a window that shows you the smiling faces of the crowd outside. Just sayin'. Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 04:40 PM (T0NGe) Is that asshole with the John 3:16 sign who used to invade every football game ever played in the 70's and 80's available?

113 In addition to the binders thing, can anyone explain Tina Fey's popularity to me? She is not funny. At all. She's a woman and had said some amusing things in times past. Because most women comedians aren't that funny the racial/gender bean counters take what they can get.

114 Ladies, ladies, you misunderstand me. I'm not saying we should obsess with one thing and nothing else. For the tenth time, I was pointing the extremes we go to during the course of the day over politics. And for what?

115 look how far we have come in 4 years.

When they were found out on JournOlists, they actually skampered denied anything going on and hid.

Now they are open to it.
They say Yeah, and so?

116 Bullshit!

We cover the news from every perspective - from International Socialist to Leftwing Radical - we allow every valid political opinion to have a say!

117 It's all like a train wreck in those old black and white movies. No sound, but you can see it coming. Might as well make popcorn and enjoy the show. And THAT, in a nutshell, is what Let. It. Burn. means. Get the F out of the way. It's a coming and you can't stop it.

118 Bipolar tentacle porn now there is an unexplored fetish niche.

119 Damn this whole thread was pretty depressing. The only positive I was able to take away since the election was that my state went very Republican. Super majority up and down. I know that a healthy majority of the people I love around think like me, and reject all this socialist insanity. One possible outcome is people voting with feet (moving trucks). It's possible that with enough of a shift in these republican states, real long term change can happen. I was super jazzed about the education reform in LA that Jindal helped to make happen. Again that is very long game, but the corruption that is inflicted on young people in the k-12 education has a lot to do with the current state of the American electorate, in my opinion.

120 8Finally. I've been saying this for years. These fuckers AREN'T BIASED! They're partisan activists. They all whored their integrity out a long time ago.

Posted by: ccoffer at December 13, 2012 04:22 PM (4DRxe)

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Were they partisan lap dogs after 9.11?  Were they partisan lap dogs during the WMD farce and invasion that was fucked from the get go, as most non-mainstream conservative voices now concede?  Romney had lots of money, support from a broad spectrum of conservative/libertarian/independent media voices.  The problem is that the voters said "fuck it" -- which is now "let it burn".  You get what you fight for, you deserve what you let happen.  Grow up.  Stop blaming everybody except the people that are responsible - the lazy, big mouth voter that refused to vote. 

121

Posted by: ace at December 13, 2012 04:43 PM (LCRYB)

 

And I would suggest going further RIGHT than Fox... so Fox would now become the Moderate Middle.... which it actualy is IMO.

122

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 04:42 PM (hVYrg)

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they're doing the "freeze the target" thing.

123 an anyone explain Tina Fey's popularity to me? ----------- Fey looks like Sarah Palin. --

124 I used to buy the idea they were dying. Perhaps they are, but it's a slow, slow death. We need to kill them, and the present weapons aren't working.

Posted by: ace at December 13, 2012 04:30 PM (LCRYB)

But it is working! Look at how little Tommy got his panties in a knot and wrote,  "the real villains were Rachel Maddow, Sandra Fluke, the media, Rep. Moran, and, somehow, me"

Sniffle, Sniffle. It's hilarious he's got a screen cap of your tweet with Bigfoot avatar.

125 The problem is that journalism is a liberal profession. The networks and newspapers don't have to search for liberal journalists, it just happens.  It's why Ailes has such a firm hand on Fox News.  Left to their own devices, most journalists are liberal.

That's why you have to have an explicitly conservative media org.  Otherwise, it just degenerates.

What we need to get rid of is journalism schools.  Defund every college and university with a journalism major.

126 >>If enough do it to lower ratings by a point, that's a big difference to what they can charge advertisers, and could be the difference between Matt Lauer or Soledad O'Brien getting a nice fat new contract or getting their walking papers.
Posted by: kbdabear at December 13, 2012 04:37 PM (wwsoB)



Good point, you don't have to kill the conglomerate, just starve their lefty stars.
When they have to rely on substance and not fluff and star power, the lack of meaningful content will be exposed.

.....even for the dopes.

127 If Fox Entertainment would just run the first half hour of Special Report as their network news, it would be a helluva start. Too bad Murdock isn't an actual conservative.

128 Boycotting doesn't work, we aren't watching right now, we aren't the demographic they care about, and we aren't measured. What I would like to see is a simple email that tells me who advertised during the news and prime time last night so I can plan my purchases for the day, punish their customers - the advertisers, the viewers are just sheep.

129 Me to Vic. I watch Fox Business  all day. I can't deal with Fox News's all politics all the time format.

130 >>>If the proposed solution is that we have to become idiots so that we can talk to idiots, I think we are looking at the problem wrong.

Well you either have to be able to talk to the stupid and convince them to do smart things or abandon the idea of universal sufferage. There is no other way to keep a republic intact.

131 If Fox Entertainment would just run the first half hour of Special Report as their network news, it would be a helluva start. Too bad Murdock isn't an actual conservative. Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 04:47 PM (QupBk) This has been brought up many times and I'm not sure why Fox doesn't do this.

132
"the DNC's media arm"?

You lack imagination, Ace.
They are Leftists.
The DNC is one of their political arms.
You need to stop thinking of them as a political movement and start thinking of them as a religion.

133 It really would be wonderful to turn on news that wasn't swayed either way, Just truth.

no  idealogy sold as truthy.

134 But useless and unproductive are my best moves. Posted by: WalrusRex What is this, vaudeville?

135 Cable is all well and good btw, but if it's not over the air, it doesn't count.

136

I have an unemployed friend who refuses to get any form of assistance and works odd jobs to survive. He voted for Obama because he was afraid his wife would lose free birth-control.

  Free birth control is a form of assistance.  Someone else has to pay for it.

137 "How to stretch your food bill by cooking like it's 1940?" 

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 13, 2012 04:39 PM (GoIUi)

 

Actually, that's a topic I would *love* to see covered. The old "How to feed your family for $1-a-day" type things that I strongly suspect is going to be helpful (maybe even necessary) soon.

138 It really would be wonderful to turn on news that wasn't swayed either way, Just truth.

no idealogy sold as truthy.

Posted by: ette at December 13, 2012 04:48 PM (nqBYe)

It would be wonderful if people could just totally forget their biases and never ever fall victim to them.

139 The local FM ( 50 radius) is noting but gospel,soul, top 40, and modern country which is not country. IOW shit. Country died when Nashville went Hollywood.

140 119 It's all like a train wreck in those old black and white movies. No sound, but you can see it coming. Might as well make popcorn and enjoy the show. And THAT, in a nutshell, is what Let. It. Burn. means. Get the F out of the way. It's a coming and you can't stop it. Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 13, 2012 04:45 PM (GFM2b) And in the smoke and fog of the burn, inflict whatever damage you can. Rhetorically speaking, of course.

141 >>>It really would be wonderful to turn on news that wasn't swayed either way, Just truth.

Now you're asking for something that has never existed.

142 Alex You miss the point.

143 and I walk to the local bar to watch that.

Communitarian!

Dude, I'm a Midwesterner. Given the choice, I'd drive to see my next-door neighbor. Don't be starting that walking shit, until the Superbowl's in July. And, it gets fierce hot here in July. I know, "you people" used to walk to the bar to get air-conditioned, too...

I sometimes might talk politics in a bar. I never talk football there.

144 65 I was trying to say how bipolar we are. One minute we're talking about going to the mattresses, the next we're giggling about tentacle prOn.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 13, 2012 04:30 PM (jUytm)

Besides, tentacle pron is an important facet of everyday life for everybody.

145 The problem with FM radio here is that I am in the middle of nowhere and can get little or nothing without putting up a 100 ft tower. The local FM ( 50 radius) is noting but gospel, soul, top 40, and modern country which is not country. IOW shit.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 04:44 PM (YdQQY)

Putting up a 100' tower is not difficult.  I've actually never built one that short.

Used Rohn 25 sections can sometimes be had for free, and sometimes you have to pay $50.00 a piece.  Guy wire is cheap, and a 100' tower really doesn't need all that much anchorage.  The stuff is easy to stack, you just have to not be afraid of heights.

146 I know Mike.

At least Now i know.

147 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 13, 2012 04:48 PM (wbeNt)

Per another friends suggestion I've been looking at the Reddit Budget food subeddit.
No, really.

148 I could have told you this four years ago.  I did tell another blogger who was mad the press wasn't "doing its job."  I told him he was mistaken about the job of a journalist - and that for most of the nation's history it had been to get a point of view out,  not the facts.  Quit complaining about it or asking about it.  Just call them on it and do not accept as reliable.  They can't be forced to the standards they tell you they have, its a free country, and they can be as biased as they want.  You must have the standards and let their work rest in its proper place.

Objective journalism has coasted on (an only halfway deserved at it's height) a reputation for standards and integrity in reporting the news.  Some really bought into "get the story" that sells, at least.   But even that projection of past standards onto the present doesn't change the fact that the press has been biased and bought for almost all its history in this country.  Only extreme competition made reputation important and the image of objectivity desirable.

Only high competition will bring it back.  Gatekeeping has benefitted from resting on laurels and credentialism -  long marches in the institutions, a public stupid, and mis-educated, and illiterate willing to be led was essential as well.  People don't think - they don't know how,  and they are cut off from their history or carefully taught it is objectionable or irrelevant.

I'm not sure a top-down solution can succeed without a suitable audience, but perhaps maximum push-back,  the other side, the whole story,  can do something to help people understand that their news has been filtered and to a purpose.   Maybe.

149

Posted by: JDP at December 13, 2012 04:47 PM (60GaT)

 

No Shep Smith.... no Global Warming crap... Constituional Consrvatism.... have well spoken TEA Party folks and Libertarians along with Conservatives... Give Mark Steyn a show...

 

And lots and lots of straight news... there are TONS of stories Fox never does because they all spend all day rehashing the SAME stories...

150 I almost think we should start dropping our own propaganda leaflets like the British did to the Germans in WWII. In all seriousness, we ought to develop our own propaganda campaign which would somehow cut through the the liberal media monolith and just spell out hard cold facts, mixed in with lots of sappy emotional appeals for those who dig that sort of thing. It could be through radio, direct mail, Facebook, whatever. Just use a multi-faceted, multimedia approach. Be thorough and relentless and do it for the long term. Target specific demographics. Be in their face all the time. A lot wouldn't pay attention, but if we could influence 3-4% of the population with such a campaign, it would make all the difference.

151 As I describe the Steven Crowder incident to others, is it more proper to use the term "Union Thugs" or "Union Goons"?  I've seen both, but they don't really seem interchangeable. 

152 let's start with the premise that Ace has a small online mob at his beck and call for a rapid response attack force now, how about starting with something small, such as twitter? for instance, we start an account such as @patrickmoran, then we tweet about our day hittin' bitches juvenile? yes. but so what; let's fuck with the Left like they do to us

153 Kind of off topic, but I actually like TMZ. They don't seem to take Hollywood seriously...which is why it's so pathetic to see them suck off Obama.

154 And I would suggest going further RIGHT than Fox... so Fox would now become the Moderate Middle.... which it actualy is IMO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 13, 2012 04:45 PM (lZBBB)

I agree. There are plenty of stories out there that Fox doesn't even cover.

155

It's one of the reasons I've listened to Rush for as long as I have.  He's known this  about the MFM  since the mid-90's and has been calling it such.

 

We have to think about this, though.  The news wings of the MFM are waining.   Polls have shown that fewer and fewer Americans believe them and are switching to alternate formats for news information.  I say that blogs like yours, Ace,  and others  need to keep stirring the pot.   The game is still underway.  We can't quit now.

 

The only other way I can think of to defeat the MFM is.....well......you know. 

156 And lots and lots of straight news... there are TONS of stories Fox never does because they all spend all day rehashing the SAME stories... Posted by: Romeo13 at December 13, 2012 04:51 PM (lZBBB) Hey, now, that story about that blonde white girl being kidnapped isn't going to promote itself.

157

This post sounds suspiciously like Let It Burn territory.

 

 

Rice is out of the Sec of State lotto, BTW.

158 Oh, by the way, the media presents what's profitable.  It's pretty clear that social conservatism is losing traction among most Americans, and not because they're brainwashed by the media - most people get their news from the internet, not the TV or newspapers.  Maybe Americans just ain't buying it anymore.  The media knows their audience, and if they tailor their "news" to fit the Dem's obvious popularity, they're doing it to make a buck.  It's called the marketplace, it's called capitalism.  It's called grow-the-fuck-up. 

159 Ace, your tweets inspired me to join twitter, only problem is, I don't have a clue what to do so will just watch and try to figure it out. 

160 #153, I like that idea. The simple morality of not stealing from working people in order to give to non-working people is actually a very easy sell, even to idiots.

161 how about an Obama-in-pee-pee video day?

162 I was trying to say how bipolar we are. One minute we're talking about going to the mattresses, the next we're giggling about tentacle prOn. Posted by: soothsayer at December 13, 2012 04:30 PM (jUytm) which is a good thing it's like random channel changing -- I like how Ace thinks. I come here for the balance of brain smashing and mental relief.

163 As I describe the Steven Crowder incident to others, is it more proper to use the term "Union Thugs" or "Union Goons"? I've seen both, but they don't really seem interchangeable. Posted by: Ray at December 13, 2012 04:52 PM (Z2aee) I would go with Goons because goon has the connotation of being paid to do it.

164

The American media and Hollywood have hated Republicans since Nixon.  And I mean since Nixon was VICE-PRESIDENT, starting in 1953.  Hollywood never got over HUAC and the McCarthy hearings and the blacklist.  To this day they think that if you scratch any Republican, you find Joe McCarthy or Dick Nixon inside.  

 

When Nixon was President, he was mocked mercilessly by comedians and Hollywood.   Saturday Night Live became a huge hit largely because of Chevy Chase's stumbling, bumbling impersonation of Gerald Ford.  And of course, Reagan was portrayed as a vapid B-movie actor with a shrew for a wife. 

 

I suppose the cheerleading for liberals has gotten a little more overt these days, but the hatred for Republicans has always been there. 

165 The problem is that journalism is a liberal profession. The networks and newspapers don't have to search for liberal journalists, it just happens. It's why Ailes has such a firm hand on Fox News. Left to their own devices, most journalists are liberal.

That's why you have to have an explicitly conservative media org. Otherwise, it just degenerates.

What we need to get rid of is journalism schools. Defund every college and university with a journalism major.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 04:46 PM (T0NGe)

I believe it was John O'Sullivan that said any organization that is not explicitly right-wing become over time left-wing.

You are right, Lefties pursue journalism because they have that itch to modify society  through their work.

166

>>Boycotting doesn't work, we aren't watching right now, we aren't the demographic they care about, and we aren't measured.

 

"We aren't measured"

 

When Ace brought up the idea of boycotting NBC a while ago, some of us brought up the list of channels they own.

 

I don't watch anything on NBC, but USA and SyyyFyyy are a different story.

 

Most of the time nobody could know that I watch them, but occasionally I do watch shows online, either at Hulu or Netflix and I watched a couple CBS shows on their site when my sat. receiver hiccupted and didn't record.

 

Those count. How much, I have no idea.

 

Getting online conservatives to not watch NBC shows online and maybe target some big advertisers on popular shows might be a thing.

167 Alex: In his mind, he doesn't accept foodstamps, so he doesn't consider himself a "freeloader." He doesn't understand socialism enough to accept the idea that his wife going to Planned Parenthood is equivalent. Meaning: ideologically he is recoverable, but Republicans aren't identified as the party of the self-sufficient. They look like sporadic cliques of religious wingnuts and anti-immigrant bigots. So why vote for them if he heard they might take his wife's birth-control, which he don't even view as "socialist," because in reality, he doesn't even understand the term.

168 #153, Seriously there are always those little slips of paper on gas pumps and whatnot, that are essentially religious solicitations. Why can't people to a political version of that.

169 +1

What I've been saying for at least 5 weeks.  lol

170 Ace: best synopisis ever! Onward!

171 I'm going into the Way Back , but Dennis the Peasant seems/seemed to have a good handle on this sort of Conservative movement. _

172 Well you either have to be able to talk to the stupid and convince them to do smart things or abandon the idea of universal sufferage. There is no other way to keep a republic intact.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 13, 2012 04:47 PM (0q2P7)

Abandon the idea of universal suffrage!

There you have it in three words!

Until you can correct this, any society will fall into the abyss sooner or later.  Once in the abyss, it may be not be possible to get back out, even if you could reverse universal suffrage.

173 They're advocates, not journalists.

They are unprofessional, and they're only sporadically ethical.

If there was a Code of Professional Responsibility for journalists, it would be rather easy to get many of them booted. 

But they're advocates, cheerleaders.  Must be weird throw throw in your lot with the powers that be.  And not operate as a check on that power.

But being an aristocrat--or an aristocrat wannabe, a familiar--is so very appealing.  Much better to be an In than one of the Outs.

174 What we need to get rid of is journalism schools. Defund every college and university with a journalism major.

Can land grant institutions actually be defunded?

175 "It's one of the reasons I've listened to Rush for as long as I have. He's known this about the MFM since the mid-90's and has been calling it such. "

Except he's let them paint him as a racist. Case in point the McNabb comment. What the F did he think would happen? He played right into their hands.

176 I almost think we should start dropping our own propaganda leaflets like the British did to the Germans in WWII.\

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Those propaganda leaflets had no effect. Still, it would be a cool stunt.  Drop propaganda leaflets over NYC or 'Frisco or perhaps some Donk event.  Perhaps referencing the White Rose anti-Nazi resistance movement that distributed propaganda in Nazi Germany.  Of course, they were beheaded.

177 163 i dunno complaining about FOX because it's conservative but not niche conservative enough for your tastes seems a bit much to me    

Posted by: JDP at December 13, 2012 04:54 PM (60GaT)

 

My premise is that Fox is already a Niche Conservative... they cover very specific stories...

 

Thus, another outlet, with a DIFFERENT niche... is what is needed so they don't really compete with Fox's niche...

 

Note.... there are 5 or 6 major Left leaning media outlets... and ONE Fox... which allows them to gang up on Fox... and people to dismiss it...

178 Can land grant institutions actually be defunded? Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 04:57 PM (/kI1Q) Yup. State funding for state colleges and universities can and is being cut. There is an enormous amount of screaming about this across the land.

179 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 13, 2012 04:50 PM (bb5+k)


I used to put up antennas for a living.

180 Get rid of j-schools? Does this seem like a viable option to you? This is kinda what I mean about going to extremes when we get ginned up. It's a nice thought and all, but not evenly remotely realistic. Ideas are great, though. What else can we do instead?

181 Well you either have to be able to talk to the stupid and convince them to do smart things or abandon the idea of universal sufferage. There is no other way to keep a republic intact.

Posted by: Mike the Moose Shrugging at December 13, 2012 04:47 PM (0q2P7)

Bingo. That idea is the wound through which the nation is bleeding dry.  The 24th amendment was a HORRIBLE mistake. (Specifically the last three words "Or other tax.") 

The 24th amendment separated the cost of government from the benefits received from government. It was as if someone cut the connecting rod from the governor to the engine throttle, and the results are exactly what anyone should have been able to predict.

The 26th amendment was also wrong-headed and foolish, because people grow up a hell of a lot in the three years between 18 and 21.

I'm for letting anyone vote, so long as they pay taxes.

No Representation without Taxation!!!! (But of course it's too late now.)

182 Actually, that's a topic I would *love* to see covered. The old "How to feed your family for $1-a-day" type things that I strongly suspect is going to be helpful (maybe even necessary) soon.



You can get 10lb of potatoes for as little as 3 bucks. Rice, oats, and other simple grains are also very cheap.

On the protein side beans remain at the head of cheap, along with eggs, and ground meats.

Stews are always the cheapest way to built palatable food. If it's chewable it never gets thrown away if uneaten it gets rendered for gravies or saved for future stews. If not chewable, it gets boiled in stew first then de-marrowed, then thrown away. 

Look for bargains on not so fresh veggies. They taste OK in the stew anyway.

Salt (with iodine) is your friend. It covers a lot in the way of marginal ingredients.

183 Why can't we pollute their blogs with stupid, ultra radical comments, like this: The old Equality Agenda is no longer enough. It's no longer enough to approve of the differently and queerly gendered: it is now everyone's duty to radically reinvent themselves through sexually transgressive surgeries and subversive restroom use. I just made that up. I bet we could really irritate them with a Your Not Liberal Enough act.

184 Give Mark Steyn a show... Posted by: Romeo13 at December 13, 2012 04:51 PM (lZBBB) Damn shame that he doesn't have one.

185 184 Who will train the waiters and waitresses of tomorrow?

186 The media doesn't present what's profitable. In fact, they are willing to lose money hand over fist (Lena Dunham is nevah evah going to recoup that advance for the publisher) to advance the party line. SyFy lost viewers and advertising cash with its agendaed switchover. The liberal superblogs like huffpo and dkos rely on the stupidity of their herd blogging at length for free to be even a little profitable. No, when the Boomers and Silents funding these young broke idiots die and there's no trust fund/401k/annual gift cash/free room and board going on, there will be a noticeable cultural shift in discourse. If right wingers are prepared and ready to run with it.

187 Retake the institutions. Build some new ones. I posted this a few times the other day -- and since I'm finishing up my daily glass of wine, I have no inhibitions to post this again, hehe (just not the whole comment). Get Engaged http://tinyurl.com/czs9j25 Breitbart's Shapiro Segment: United Right Must Be Happy Warriors http://tinyurl.com/cq4bett (I swear Shapiro gets sexier every time I see him (and he's not my type). But, I like how he thinks and stays positive. Ace can do this to a goil from time to time ;-) Brian Lilley's blog (which includes list of organizations to get engaged with - he's Canadian, but we can do the same, here in the US. It's a great idea.) http://blogs.canoe.ca/lilleyspad/author/brian-lilley/

188 most people get their news from the internet, not the TV I find that hard to believe.

189 As a prominent intellectual, my opinion is that any efforts to reform our political or cultural institutions are doomed to failure. We're living the curse of affluence: there is no incentive for reform. They will have to be rebuilt from the ground up. And to do that, they must burn. America must suffer the consequences of decades worth of bad decisions. Once the old, broken systems have been swept away, we can rebuild. Not before. It's going to suck, but it is inevitable.

190 @183 About 50 pounds ago, I used to climb them.

191
No doubt about that most media is just the dem party talk machine, well established.  The amount of "if a republican had done it" stuff of this WH is mind boggling.

It shows what hypocrites they are too, they only care about wars and troop deaths if there is a repub in the WH.  Same on Benghazi, F and F, Libya 'war', debt and deficits, her queen majesty moochelle vacation costs and entourage, unemployment and work participation rates, massive spying on US citizens, drone killings, kill lists, etc etc.

Buddy Holly and the Crickets.

192 Who will train the waiters and waitresses of tomorrow?

Art schools.

193 "It's one of the reasons I've listened to Rush for as long as I have.
He's known this about the MFM since the mid-90's and has been calling it
such.
"

Except he's let them paint him as a racist. Case in point the McNabb comment. What the F did he think would happen? He played right into their hands.

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I tend the other way.  I think we should be less careful about what we say, not more careful.  We will never be able to eliminate dog whistles from our language.  (A couple of weeks ago those who pronounce such things pronounced that the pronoun "we" is a racist dog whistle.)  If we are afraid to even name our enemy, if we are afraid we may hurt our enemy's feelings, we will never win.

194 I am grateful for Fox even though it tries way to hard to be fair and balanced.  They basically regurgitate news except for Cavuto and Baier, so essentially two hours of news and a hour of current "news" and other hosts recycled for the remaining 21 hours.

195 You can get 10lb of potatoes for as little as 3 bucks. which can also be converted into handy weapons, I hear

196 92 Offshore boats and jam the signal of the MFM.

WE CONTROL THE HORIZONTAL

WE CONTROL THE VERTICAL


etc., etc.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 04:40 PM

Been there, done that ...

197 Ok, I know my idea for a conservative propaganda campaign is crazy. I'm going to take it a step higher on the crazy ladder. What if we developed an organization specifically dedicated to this kind of conservative propaganda campaign. And what if this organization specifically asked for volunteer recruits to "proselytize" conservatism to their neighbors, family and friends. People love to be part of a cause. And this could be a peaceful way to achieve the revolution we are seeking. Along with the advertising, set up a call center with a 1-800 number for people who want to learn more about how conservatism can benefit themselves and their country. Encourage people to become part of the movement. When they sign up as volunteers, give them scripts and materials they can use to persuade family, friends and neighbors. Set up booths at local community events. Give the revolution a name such as "A more prosperous America." Host parties and events. Set actual goals for numbers of people to sign up with incentives. Encourage and celebrate "recruits." All we need is to raise money and get a few key people behind this. And of course get over our internal bickering.

198 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 13, 2012 05:01 PM (CF4Y5) That totally reminded me of the scene from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure where Bill (or was it Ted?) explained to Socrates that "All We Are Is Dust In The Wind".

199 Just strangling Shep Smith on air would make things better, or at least would make me happier.

200 161 Oh, by the way, the media presents what's profitable. It's pretty clear that social conservatism is losing traction among most Americans, and not because they're brainwashed by the media - most people get their news from the internet, not the TV or newspapers. Maybe Americans just ain't buying it anymore. The media knows their audience, and if they tailor their "news" to fit the Dem's obvious popularity, they're doing it to make a buck. It's called the marketplace, it's called capitalism. It's called grow-the-fuck-up.

 

Posted by: romulus at December 13, 2012 04:53 PM (MgN9a)

 

To the extent I agree with you, it is because the new media are following the paying demographics.  I suspect that consumption of all media falls a lot as people get married and have children, because their spare time becomes limited.  Single people and childless couples have entirely different wants and points of view from married couples with children.  They are more like children themselves, which is why they are susceptible to messages that government can take care of them and Republicans won't.

 

There isn't much we can do with a message of  "act like grownups, pay your bills, take care of yourself and your family" when a large part of the electorate are overgrown children who don't want to grow up.  We ARE the grownups.  All we can do is a better job reaching the grownups and getting them to vote.

201  The revolution will not be televised

202

Posted by: walknot at December 13, 2012 04:53 PM (vo2je)

 

I'm @Polliwogette and @Polliwogette2 and have a list of over 250 Horde members  on Twitter  that   I'll send  you if you want to give me your Twitter handle.  Haven't been on much since the election, but doing my bit to try to cut down on people getting ganged up on and sent to the #TwitterGulag.

 

I'm hardly an expert on the subject myself,  Rdbrewer gave me some pointer when I first got an account, but maybe he or Ace could do an "Introduction to Twitter" post sometime.

203 Abandon the idea of universal suffrage!

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I think that's right.  As long as the free shit army can vote themselves free shit, we lose.

204 All media operates on a profit principle.  They may fail or succeed, but that's what drives the editors, ultimately.  They're not partisan ideologues anymore than anyone else in any professions -- unless you consider the puruit of profit an ideology.  Which it may be, of course.  But not in the sense that most people define it, as an aherence to principles that are not materialistic  in origin. 

205 Before I go off to start dinner, remember this: - they are so vigilante because we have made inroads - they are so emboldened (e.g. unions) because they are afraid and in some cases losing - new media IS making a difference -- don't be fooled - why do you think there are targeted attacks on Fox, Rush, Levin, Beck, Breitbart, Matt Drudge? Because people are listening. Fox is still number 1 in the ratings for the time slots. We can do this. We are. And, Ace helps. *so does HotAir =p (I like Ed!)

206 151 Posted by: SarahW at December 13, 2012 04:51 PM (LYwCh) It starts and ends in the schools and in the home. 1) break the rotten back of the teachers unions, NEA and dissolve the DoE. Decentralize education back to the local and district levels. 2) give incentives for school vouchers and promote home schooling. 3) if you can't do these things as a parent, it is your responsibility to know what your child is being taught every day and to correct the damage and lies there and then. 4) run for your local school board and/or go to every meeting. All this presupposes we have parents who are not themselves infected with liberalism.

207 Ace, by blaming you TXtopher is giving you publicity.  Some people will come over here and Twitchy and stay.  Dextrosphere is 'the forbidden' to the left but people have always been attracted to the forbidden. 

208 How about at least one program on, where the people can talk about an issue, and state their theory or opinion in full, before the freakin' host has got to jump in with his/her opinion on the guest opinion...I'm looking at you O'reilly and the rest of you jack wagons. I'm tuning in to find out someones thoughts beside yours. Let them finish, then tear them a new one if you want or it's needed.

The same shit happened in the debates. I couldn't watch them after about 10 minutes.

209 Can't we just collaborate and produce funny vignettes for youtube that also explain conservatism/economics/marxism? It's free, practically. Satirization is the key, cheaply, I believe.

210 "I tend the other way. I think we should be less careful about what we say, not more careful."

Except that it's hard to demonize Rush if he's on every Sunday talking ONLY about football. That was an opportunity to be apart of the mainstream culture and he threw away that opportunity.

211 Finally we are getting to the root of our problems: a corrupt media.

212
Yup. State funding for state colleges and universities can and is being cut. There is an enormous amount of screaming about this across the land.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 04:58 PM (VtjlW)

People should cheer on and copy the $10,000.00 Bachelors degree which is being promoted in Texas.  Cut the amount of money going to Universities and you will automatically reduce student exposure to liberal ideology.

213 Hey I'm a Jet's fan, I can live without ....... Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 04:38 PM

Shhhhh ... we're supposed to go underground now. It's like admitting that you went to see Twilight and LIKED it

214 the giant multi-billion network and education reform can come later, of course but for now...

215 If conservatives were a country, this is the point where we would say, "All diplomatic efforts have failed."

I'm sick of all this shit. My expectations are sub-zero, nothing would shock me, and I'm beginning to get that nice glowy feeling that comes with this position. Bring on the civil war, lefties.

216 "No, when the Boomers and Silents funding these young broke idiots" LOL, funded with what? Debt capital? Ponzinomics? Get over yourself.

217
I used to put up antennas for a living.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 04:59 PM (YdQQY)

Cool. For me it is just a sideline. 

218 All media operates on a profit principle. They may fail or succeed, but that's what drives the editors, ultimately. Explain MSNBC or CNN. FNC is a gold mine and they won't make a single move toward it's model.

219 @EoJ

There is less crudeness and booze in that post than I have come to expect from you.  So I ignored it.

220 208 All media operates on a profit principle. They may fail or succeed, but that's what drives the editors, ultimately. They're not partisan ideologues anymore than anyone else in any professions -- unless you consider the puruit of profit an ideology. Which it may be, of course. But not in the sense that most people define it, as an aherence to principles that are not materialistic in origin.

Posted by: romulus at December 13, 2012 05:05 PM (MgN9a)

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Bullshit. MSNBC has crappy ratings. They could double their rating tomorrow by going the route of Fox. They choose not to because they would rather be ideologically pure than profitable.

221 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 13, 2012 05:05 PM (wbeNt)


I have not been able to steel myself sufficiently to visit twitter since Nov 6.  The raw sarcasm and cynicism here gets me through the day, or I wouldn't even come here, (that and a lot of tentacle pr()n).

222

>>Retake the institutions. Build some new ones.

 

Support your local homeschoolers.

223 So, how about we occupy streets and parks, use megaphones and protest? Organize in communities... Oh, wait a second...

224 an't we just collaborate and produce funny vignettes for youtube that also explain conservatism/economics/marxism? " + boobs. A conservative Miss Minx or whatever the hell her name is.

225 Well, Ace, to tell you the truth, I've been too depressed to watch the news since the election. I am 100% heart & soul committed to "Let it burn". Just bought a house in Idaho and have been toying with the idea that I'm going to forgo TV. Just internet and maybe Netflix. This post has convinced me I'm making the right decision. No cable, no more mainstream TV. (Oh, Hai! Polliwogette, my Twitter friend!)

226

I dont get all this folderol about the lack of compromise and going over the fiscal  cliff. The cliff IS a compromise,  it  has tax increases and spending cuts, just what both sides are talking about.

 

 

So go over it and shut up.

227

Posted by: soothsayer at December 13, 2012 05:06 PM (jUytm)

 

Yeah, the Hayek vs Keynes RAP battles on You tube were fantastic!

228 My liberal friends and relatives, all with advanced degrees, avid fans of the NYT, LAT, NPR, The Economist, etc. all did NOT KNOW that union dues are mainly used for campaign donations. They had no idea that dues supported political campaigns. Total surprise.

Didn't really believe me until I told them about my former union and my lawsuit against them where they admitted under oath that 80% of the dues goes to Dem campaigns.

229 192 most people get their news from the internet, not the TV

I find that hard to believe.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 05:01 PM (QupBk)

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Most people that get their news verbally from other people. Friends, co-workers, family.

Where did those mostly low-info people get their news that they pass on?  Media.  Nightly news, headlines on the front pages, 15 second radio spots, sitcoms (yes, sitcoms), entertainment mags at the checkout, etc.  They get it from 'the culture'.

230 Ace, I would advise planning for the long term. The results might not come to fruition during your lifetime or mine, but you can plant the seeds.

Alinsky died in 1972, long before his book became the Democrat training manual

The leftist takeover of culture didn't happen overnight, it had its genesis 100 years ago, and they played the long game.

231 Get rid of j-schools?

Does this seem like a viable option to you? This is kinda what I mean about going to extremes when we get ginned up. It's a nice thought and all, but not evenly remotely realistic.

Ideas are great, though.

What else can we do instead?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 13, 2012 04:59 PM (jUytm)

No, this really is a good idea. Technology is moving us away from Universities anyway.  As I mentioned earlier, supporting Texas's $10,000.00 degree program is a good move.  Cut off the life blood to Liberal indoctrinators and we will start moving people away from this nonsense over time.

Of course I think it's now too late for any solution to work but fire.

232 Explain MSNBC or CNN. FNC is a gold mine and they won't make a single move toward it's model. Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 05:07 PM (QupBk) Nice little tax writeoff you've got there. Be a shame if something happened to it.

233 They are more like children themselves, which is why they are susceptible to messages that government can take care of them and Republicans won't.

Well you're certainly never going to get the ambitious single childless people to listen to how conservativism can benefit them more than a welfare state when you start from your bigotted premise that only married people with children are REAL ADULTS WHO MATTER.

That's a good third of our problem with young people right there.

234 Attack the celebs.  Character assassination.  Personal. If they are lefties, they get savaged.

First, steal from them.  Hit them where it hurts.  If it's made by liberals and you want to see it, pirate it. Do it without shame -- you are agreeing with their ideals.  You aren't stealing -- you are redistributing their wealth to you.  It's what you want.

When they promote some charity or cause, find out what they contributed.  Then figure it as a percentage of their income, and tell people how much they REALLY gave.  McCartney, AFAIK, gave no cash to Sandy.  He's worth $800 million.  Peg it to the median salary -- $45K.  For every $17,777 McCartney donates, everyone making $45K should donate... a dollar.  If they won't pony up, we shouldn't pony up.

It's the basis of Alinsky -- make them live up to their own moral code.

235 This is basically how LGF works. You don't write your posts to figure out what actually happened. If it goes against the received opinion, it'll be ignored and if you do it often enough, you'll be "discredited". No one ever discredited Breitbart; they just called him "discredited". People in moderate fora learnt not to cite him, or they would be branded trolls. If you are a 28 year old blogger and you have any ambition at all, you craft your posts to please the people giving you hat tips. That would be the Left, giving those hat tips.

236

#187 I love to concern-troll like this on liberal blogs and on the liberal Twitter hashtags.  But I keep getting banned. 

 

My favorite one is asking why Hollywood won't show gay men having buttsex on any TV shows, even on cable.  And where are the queer characters in "Homeland"?  This homophobia must end! 

237

You can't blame the non-voting conservative miasma on the liberal media,    however.  That's a function of individual derangement.  And the liberal media   doesn't vote on legislation, issue executive orders or nominate judges.    Politicians do.  The ghastly irony is that substantial numbers of erstwhile and   putative conservatives would not be able to connect the obvious dots, even if   you used a puppet show. 

238

Leaving only the option to simply create another media.

 

And internet is a main platform for this creation.  Obama, Democrats and the media will fight this with everything they have to prevent this and if all else fails they will hand the internet over to the UN to accomplish it.

239 re: "While we believe that boycotting is futile because the low information Americans will still soak it up, it may not be."

In real life, the people I know mostly think I'm at least slightly more awesome than they are, and when they reference or quote a TV show or movie or "meme" or whatever and I don't know what they're talking about, some of them are sort of ashamed that they do know it.

Presume that it's you who decides what's worth talking about. And don't join in anything that's not Yours.

Works for Them.

(Yeah, it won't work for "Us." But still. Die with your bag out.)

240 THIS: "239 Attack the celebs. Character assassination. Personal. If they are lefties, they get savaged. First, steal from them. Hit them where it hurts. If it's made by liberals and you want to see it, pirate it. Do it without shame -- you are agreeing with their ideals. You aren't stealing -- you are redistributing their wealth to you. It's what you want. When they promote some charity or cause, find out what they contributed. Then figure it as a percentage of their income, and tell people how much they REALLY gave. McCartney, AFAIK, gave no cash to Sandy. He's worth $800 million. Peg it to the median salary -- $45K. For every $17,777 McCartney donates, everyone making $45K should donate... a dollar. If they won't pony up, we shouldn't pony up. It's the basis of Alinsky -- make them live up to their own moral code. Posted by: Phelps at December 13, 2012 05:10 PM (9Kx2Z)" I'M GAME.

241 Except he's let them paint him as a racist. Case in point the McNabb comment. What the F did he think would happen? He played right into their hands.

Posted by: Liontooth at December 13, 2012 04:57 PM (xk0Xg)

 

 

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He speaks the truth when he sees it.  That's why he has such a large audience.  He and all of the rest of us are going to be branded one way or the other by speaking the truth  because the truth hurts the leftist ideal.  We were all going to be labeled as racists one way or the other.

 

As a reminder, just remember all the words and phrases that the left said were racist during the election.  They're only going to double down now.  Your a racist whether you say anything or not.

 

Again, what happened to Rush is what political correctness has done to the national discourse.  It has killed truth telling.

242 232 My liberal friends and relatives, all with advanced degrees, avid fans of the NYT, LAT, NPR, The Economist, etc. all did NOT KNOW that union dues are mainly used for campaign donations. They had no idea that dues supported political campaigns. Total surprise.

Didn't really believe me until I told them about my former union and my lawsuit against them where they admitted under oath that 80% of the dues goes to Dem campaigns.

Posted by: PJ at December 13, 2012 05:09 PM (ZWaLo)

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I'll also bet serious money they can't tell you the difference between a marginal and effective tax rate, can't tell you the difference between a debt/deficit and couldn't within a 20% band on either side tell you what tax bracket they're in. I know this because I deal with these people on a daily basis myself and know how utterly clueless about the world they are.

243 A funny thought I had today for whenever a lefty thinks he's "beaten" you on a point

I'm going to answer with "YES, you've WON!!! OK Johnny, tell the folks at home what ergie/jordan/olaf/occam just WON!!"

"Well KB, for winning in the comments section of the blog, our troll has won an all expenses paid cruise to WHO GIVES A FUCK ISLAND !!!!"

244 "The most effective bias, the media has shown us, is the sneakier variety."

Ace, I agree.  My main point was that an additional non-partisan news network will not reach any new viewers.  The same people who have already rejected the MSM for Fox would end up being 90% of the viewers at this new network.  We have already have their attention, it's not enough.  I think it would be extremely successful and I would welcome an expanded non-leftist MSM but the impact on the popular culture would be negligible.

We didn't lose this last election because the enemy controls the MSM.  The MSM wasn't feeding narratives to the masses that they hadn't heard 1000 times before as they worked their way through 12 years of public education, listened to top 40 pop songs, spent 5 years in college getting a psychology degree they'll never use, watched 3 or 4 big feature films a month and tuned into Jon Stewart a few times a week.

I think it has to go beyond political/news media answers.  We like politics and the news, it's our thing.  That's not where the fight is being won and lost though.  The GOP is seen as evil and homophobic because how many girls are bopping their head back and forth to Lady Gaga's Born This Way?

245 Except he's let them paint him as a racist. Case in point the McNabb comment. What the F did he think would happen? He played right into their hands. Because he said McNabb was over-rated? That was an opinion supported by about 90% of Philly Eagle fans at the time and subsequently about 100% of Wash Redskin fans. I don't get how a pasty white dude with a big ego can tell the truth and be castigated by his 'own' side while an ESPN commentator can basically call RGIII a house n*****r or Uncle Tom and he skates.

246

>>People should cheer on and copy the $10,000.00 Bachelors degree which is being promoted in Texas.

 

I want to move there when hubby retires from the military, for several reasons...and that's about 3 of the reasons!

247 You can't blame the non-voting conservative miasma on the liberal media, however. I'm starting to wonder if many of them were simply early adopters of LiB. People might be smarter than we are supposing.

248 As a prominent intellectual, my opinion is that any efforts to reform our political or cultural institutions are doomed to failure. We're living the curse of affluence: there is no incentive for reform. They will have to be rebuilt from the ground up.

And to do that, they must burn. America must suffer the consequences of decades worth of bad decisions.

Once the old, broken systems have been swept away, we can rebuild. Not before. It's going to suck, but it is inevitable.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 13, 2012 05:01 PM (CF4Y5)

I have long made the argument that some of our worst stupidity is the result of our prosperity.  I think you are absolutely right in your comment, right down to the system being swept away.  The tide now appears unstoppable.

249

My pappy always said; If you want to take out an enemy, you need to attack their weakest point."

The Lefts weakest spot is their lack of faith.  They have no faith in anything they believe, say, or do.  They are a conglomerate of takers...so if there is nothing left to hand out, their whole thing will crumble.

For the MSM, its all about their image.  I say keep up the frontal attack on the MSM types and take their image from them.  Keep going after Anderson Cooper on twitter, keep holding thier beliefs up to public riticule.  We all need to do this, and we all need to keep on it.  Pound, pound, pound, and people will get the point.

Your tweets are doing a lot of damage, you don't see it but they look really bad and it's starting to show, even my die hard dem friends are starting to take notice.

250 The boomers and silents are the ones whose 401ks still have money in them, which they use to support the horde of Gen X/Y free media. It's actually ironic, private household funds support a bunch of idiots who are aggressively pro-collectivist and propagandize for it.

251 Per another friends suggestion I've been looking at the Reddit Budget food subeddit. No, really. Posted by: tsrblke (work) at December 13, 2012 04:51 PM (xjVxe) Reddit is a pretty damned useful place as long as you stay away from the political section.

252 meh, we lost and we lost big. The msm defines the narrative of what is and what is not. Any effort to create an alternative voice will result in that effort (like buyign women's vag magazine) being ostracized and mocked into oblivion. We can't win. Oh and the demographic shift is underway anyway, so that it's really pointless. We are all Somalis now.

253

It doesn't matter.

 

It doesn't matter what we write here, or what Ace writes or any of the cob-loggers.

The effect on the society at large is infinitesimal. Un - measurably small.

 

Bring down Anthony Weiner? So What?  One out of many, and someone else just takes his place.  He was a lightweight fool, and he would have done something else just as stupid later.  Why can't we get rid of Jim Moran or McDermott or some of the other really damaging assholes of the Democrat party?  Why?  Because they are bullet proof.

 

What we do here is for our own mental health, a place to air greivances and remind ourselves that we are not alone.  We have to struggle and persevere in our beliefs.  But most of what happens here and is said here makes absolutely no difference.  At all.

 

All the rancor about whether or not Mitt Romney was a good nominee or not?  Nothing, made no difference anywhere.  Outside of the few hundred that regularly participate and perhaps the thousands that read and lurk from day to day, it makes no difference.

 

Bring down the Mass Media?  Really?   Multi-billion dollar corporations.  Really?  Weapons to hurt them.  Really?

 

We can kid ourselves but it just doesn't make any difference.  The die was cast decades ago, and the effort to reverse the damage at this point would be monumental.  We just don't have the numbers or the ability to make an impact.  Most people are just scurrying about to make ends meet everyday.

 

Real people don't have the time or staying power to fill out the ranks of a mass movement, until things are at the point of imminent disaster, and we are not there yet.

 

Seeing  your words next to your name or nic may be gratifying at times, and it is indeed re-assuring to know that somewhere out there, people agree with you or think alike.  But nothing that happens here makes any difference. 

 

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer and write such a defeatist comment, but now it looks like there is absolutely no way that our Republic can or even should be saved.  It was killed by hate, envy and stupidity.

Obama will be President for four more years, and for years afterward, will be hailed as a great statesman and historic president.  Just like the disastrous cocksucker FDR still is today, after all the ruin and stupidity he was responsible for.

 

There is a lot of ruin in a country.

254 The funniest part about hte McNabb controversy is Michael Irvin chiming in right after he says the "controversial thing that must never be said" with "that's right!"

255 What the medai is doing is treason, just like Pat Caddell said. Our form of government is  singularly  dependent on a reliable source of information upon which to make informed decisions.  And anyone that distorts or hides that information is a traitor to the very concept of self-government.  It is that fucking simple.

256 Bullshit. MSNBC has crappy ratings. They could double their rating tomorrow by going the route of Fox. They choose not to because they would rather be ideologically pure than profitable.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 13, 2012 05:08 PM (HDgX3)

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Lower ratings than Fox is not NO ratings at all.  They're still profitable, or they'd be gone.  Unless your arguing some vast DNC conspiracy slush fund keeping them afloat, which I would entertain hearing for about 10 seconds before I lose interest. 

Oh, I almost missed this.  The premise is that media has influenced people to vote Democrat, yet the highest rated cable media news failed to persuade their viewers enough to get them to get off the couch and cast a ballot.  Explain that.

257 It starts and ends in the schools and in the home.

1) break the rotten back of the teachers unions, NEA and dissolve the DoE. Decentralize education back to the local and district levels.
2) give incentives for school vouchers and promote home schooling.
3) if you can't do these things as a parent, it is your responsibility to know what your child is being taught every day and to correct the damage and lies there and then.
4) run for your local school board and/or go to every meeting.

All this presupposes we have parents who are not themselves infected with liberalism.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 05:06 PM (XkWWK)

Might have worked, but the clock has run out in my opinion.  Misery and death will be our teachers now.

258 "If you want to do something, Boycott NBC, which is already on the ropes and can't stand much of a push before it collapses." Okay, I already watch nearly nothing on most networks. I guess I can call it a boycott and look all politically active, and sacrificing and what not. I sit here taking care of my 95 year old father with the tv on. Pushing their political agenda aside, 95% of what's on tv is pure, unadulterated, retarded slop. Shame Anderson Cooper? He works for the same company that pushes that creep Nancy Grace. He's not capable of shame.

259 `Except he's let them paint him as a racist. Case in point the McNabb comment. What the F did he think would happen? He played right into their hands.

Because he said McNabb was over-rated? That was an opinion supported by about 90% of Philly Eagle fans at the time and subsequently about 100% of Wash Redskin fans.

I don't get how a pasty white dude with a big ego can tell the truth and be castigated by his 'own' side while an ESPN commentator can basically call RGIII a house n*****r or Uncle Tom and he skates.

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Not to mention that the comment was ABOUT FOOTBALL.  The very thing he was hired to comment on.

260 so, really, the only option is to be on war footing with the media. Any member of the GOP who doesn't have that mindset will be gutted by them. See how Clinton wagged his finger at whatshisface on Fox for daring to question his softness on Al Qaeda? That's how we gotta roll. But it's all lost anyway. Sure, economically, we're no longer rich enough to attract the worst and poorest of Mexico to come here and vote DNC in exchange for handouts, but Obama is pretty sure there's plenty enough of the 6billion people on earth not American to come on in and vote DNC in exchange for handouts.

261 >>>bigotted premise that only married people with children are REAL ADULTS WHO MATTER.

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I don't get it.

Are you trying to say that getting married and having a kid do NOT on average greatly increase someone's maturity?

262 I not convinced that the customer base for conservatism is => 50.1% of the electorate. Liberalism is too seductive - it appeals to base, selfish desires and absolves you of responsibility for your lack of success. In fact, it taints success with a vague, suspicious criminality, therefore it's easy to rally support for taking from the successful to keep you in iPads, fair trade coffee, housing, Obamaphones and malt liquor. Some people's price may be lower or higher, but they ALL have a price. And for all the talk of fiscal cliffs, we haven't maxed out the credit card yet. What do we have to compete with that? It Must Burn.

263 Can't we just collaborate and produce funny vignettes for youtube that also explain conservatism/economics/marxism?

It's free, practically. Satirization is the key, cheaply, I believe.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 13, 2012 05:06 PM (jUytm)

I've been thinking about doing this for almost a year, but I keep running up against the problem of not wanting Liberal asshats burning me out of my home.  It would need a lot of deep anonymity, and the reason I say this is because if it doesn't hurt, it won't work, and if it hurts, they are going to come looking for the bastard who is bringing the hurt to them.

I know this from experience. I've had my land set on fire because of my political signs.  I've had FEC charges filed against me.

264 Mock the MSM & highlight the ploys they use, but do it a fun way that is easily accessible to people not overly interested in politics.

265 Finally we are getting to the root of our problems: a corrupt media.

Posted by: GardenGnome at December 13, 2012 05:06 PM (LqefR)

Yes, and it has been since the beginning. Remember Hearst and Remeber Walter Durante ?

266 Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch carries matches.... at December 13, 2012 05:14 PM (RFeQD)

I am very discouraged but there is hope.  I do believe that what each of us does adds to a whole.  The decisions we personally make create a larger reality that reverberates in the world as a whole.  I may not be able to see the way out of this (and I don't) but that doesn't mean that there is no way out.  Life has a way of surprising you.

267 Lower ratings than Fox is not NO ratings at all. They're still profitable, or they'd be gone. Unless your arguing some vast DNC conspiracy slush fund keeping them afloat, which I would entertain hearing for about 10 seconds before I lose interest.  Posted by: romulus at December 13, 2012 05:15 PM

MSLSD is a loss leader. GE and Comcast are willing to lose 50 million bucks on that sad sack cable network in exchange for billions in subsidies, tax favors, and no bid contracts through favor with the SCOAMF. All they have to do is keep up the cheerleading

268

Well you're certainly never going to get the ambitious single childless people to listen to how conservativism can benefit them more than a welfare state when you start from your bigotted premise that only married people with children are REAL ADULTS WHO MATTER.

That's a good third of our problem with young people right there.

 

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 05:10 PM (/kI1Q)

 

And calling me a bigot is a great way to eange in dialogue! 

 

The truth may hurt, but Barack Obama just got reelected by convincing a whole lot of young men and women that government student loans, government-mandated "free" birth control, same sex marriage, and "tax fairness" are their keys to Nirvana, and that Republicans are all stingy poopyheads who think God wants women to be raped and have the babies.

 

This campaign was no accident, it was not only tested by polls but developed with consultations from psychologists who told Team Obama how to reach young people with messages that resonate with them.  These messages basically treated young single people like children and promised them sex and toys.  And they worked.

 

You tell me how conservatives are supposed to respond to this.  We can't promise them sex and toys. 

269  The premise is that media has influenced people to vote Democrat, yet the highest rated cable media news failed to persuade their viewers enough to get them to get off the couch and cast a ballot. Explain that.

Posted by: romulus at December 13, 2012 05:15 PM (MgN9a)

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You're a typical liberal moron who doesn't understand simple math:

Fox is 1 network. It gets the highest ratings. Then the other 20 networks get spots 2-20. Imbeciles like you ask why did Romney lose when Fox is rated #1? Sure Fox is #1 with X viewers. But 2-20 combined have 5X viewers. And 2-20 say the exact same thing.

Same goes for talk radio vs. all other radio. Take any individual talk radio show and it beats any individual non-talk radio show. Take every talk radio show and every non-talk radio show (and liberal) and it's the same 5:1 ratio.

270 Our form of government is singularly dependent on a reliable source of information upon which to make informed decisions. Posted by: LGoPs at December 13, 2012 05:15 PM (4x8W0) You can't have a deal with cheaters. It isn't just the fact that there's biased information (lies), it's that there's no universally or even generally accepted check on that. Things like Fact Check were a great *idea* but took about five seconds to turn into an utter sham. There's no voice that can convincingly contradict the lies - that was the moment when it all went wrong.

271 Again, what happened to Rush is what political correctness has done to the national discourse. It has killed truth telling.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 05:12 PM (OqZHj)

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Rush has a big mouth.  He tells the truth as long as he can make a buck saying shit that sounds truthful.  The very essence of media commentary is rhetoric, not truth.  They might say some things that are true - but that's not Truth, as you imply it is.  Rush and every other political commentator is trying to pursuade you to believe what he wants you to believe.  Mostly, that you're a patriot, that you're noble, and your   views are correct.  That means you'll tune in regularly, his advertiser's have willing ears, and everybody on the inside of the radio gets fat and giggly on your dime.  He's done more to undermine the GOP than MSM ever could, cuz he did it from the inside, pitting the tea party against the GOP establishment.  You want to blame someone?  You can start there. 

272 The leftist takeover of culture didn't happen overnight, it had its genesis 100 years ago, and they played the long game.

Posted by: Kbdabear at December 13, 2012 05:09 PM (wwsoB)

It wasn't just their playing the game that made it successful. A lot of circumstances contributed to our current situation. The Domestic reduction in available men during World War II, Anti-Biotics, and Birth Control pills combined synergistically to produce a much more a-moral society regarding Sex. 

I could go on to explain further, but you might see the connections without any further commentary from me.

273 It would be easier and simpler to expel the heavy democrat counties out of the US than to recapture the institutions from the Enemy. In other words, we've lost and will never live free again in our lifetimes. Sorry to be the cold dark voice of inevitability.

274

Unfortunately we all have to beat around the bush and not speak of what the real solution is. And  the real solution  becomes self evident   when you have one side that is impervious to civil discourse or argument or persuasion. And has  used all their power to shut down  those avenues  of peaceful discourse. When all else is taken away there is only one thing left to do....

 

And I'm not trying to be coy. But the answer is to fight. Literally. But I also know that I'm getting too old and too out of shape to accomplish anything other than to get myself killed.

 

The alternative is to shuffle into serfdom.

275 Attack the celebs. Character assassination. Personal. If they are lefties, they get savaged.

First, steal from them. Hit them where it hurts. If it's made by liberals and you want to see it, pirate it. Do it without shame -- you are agreeing with their ideals. You aren't stealing -- you are redistributing their wealth to you. It's what you want.

When they promote some charity or cause, find out what they contributed. Then figure it as a percentage of their income, and tell people how much they REALLY gave. McCartney, AFAIK, gave no cash to Sandy. He's worth $800 million. Peg it to the median salary -- $45K. For every $17,777 McCartney donates, everyone making $45K should donate... a dollar. If they won't pony up, we shouldn't pony up.

It's the basis of Alinsky -- make them live up to their own moral code.

Posted by: Phelps at December 13, 2012 05:10 PM (9Kx2Z)

And this is absolutely excellent advice.  I wouldn't have said it publicly though.

276 It would be easier and simpler to expel the heavy democrat counties out of the US than to recapture the institutions from the Enemy. Probably. So what? That's not so hard. Whether you help it along or not, the fed will end up bankrupt. Republicans have plenty of states to themselves.

277 My favorite one is asking why Hollywood won't show gay men having buttsex on any TV shows, even on cable. And where are the queer characters in "Homeland"? This homophobia must end!

Posted by: rockmom at December 13, 2012 05:11 PM (aBlZ1)

The Queers threw a hissy fit at the producers when Silence of the Lambs came out.  Apparently they thought the Gay man who wanted to wear a suit made of Women skin was painting other homosexuals in a bad light. 

But you are right, the public needs to see what they are supporting.

278

Life has a way of surprising you. - WalrusRex

 

Yes, in many bad ways.  We are in for a whole host of "surprises" in the next four years, and beyond.

 

People, many people, hunger , THIRST for ideas and reasons to explain what is happening.  But they are not buying what Ace, or  Rush Limbaugh, or Glen Beck are selling.  People buy into ignorance because it is simple.  I hear it everyday and have to bite my tongue to keep form blurting out the obvious insult.

 

Sure, Limbaugh is a wealthy man being a media figure. And he certainly has listeners and so does Beck.  But what they have is a fraction, and it will never be larger than that.  It is not what people are buying or listening to.

 

Don't give up, but just realize that what happens here has no consequence whatever. And I don't mean that to insult the efforts of Ace or anyone else. It's just that the numbers that read here and all the blogs are just too small.  We may have the comfort of saying to ourselves "we told you so!" but it just doesn't matter.  More people are aware of what the imbecile Anderson Cooper said last night than was is written here.  And CNN's audience is actually pretty small.

279 You're a typical liberal moron who doesn't understand simple math:
Fox is 1 network. It gets the highest ratings. Then the other 20 networks get spots 2-20. Imbeciles like you ask why did Romney lose when Fox is rated #1? Sure Fox is #1 with X viewers. But 2-20 combined have 5X viewers. And 2-20 say the exact same thing.
Same goes for talk radio vs. all other radio. Take any individual talk radio show and it beats any individual non-talk radio show. Take every talk radio show and every non-talk radio show (and liberal) and it's the same 5:1 ratio.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 13, 2012 05:22 PM (HDgX3)

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I didn't say that Fox has the same access to everyone, but they, the number 1 station, couldn't motivate the base to vote.  I do have a question for you: is Fox overtly biased against the Democratic party, because they claim to be fair and balanced.  What is their distinction, to you, specifically.  And in Chicago, the conservative stations WIND and WLS both bury the lone weakling prog radio.  Bury it HARD.  Okay, that's the heart of Obama land.  I get that.  but I would venture to guess that SRN and ClearChannel proliferate far more than the progs on radio.  Radio is a conservative haven, even in the people's republic of Chicago. 

280

And to do that, they must burn. America must suffer the consequences of decades worth of bad decisions.



Once the old, broken systems have been swept away, we can rebuild. Not before. It's going to suck, but it is inevitable.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 13, 2012 05:01 PM (CF4Y5)

 

 

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I agree with you EoJ.  BUT, there are parts of this country that are still holding on to the American ideal, re; the red states.  It will be up to us in these states to stand firm and prosper on our own, if need be. 

 

The rest of the nation that will burn (I'm looking at you, blue states) will need good examples to copy when they start digging out of the  ashes.

281 If you need Washington to grant you your freedom, you will never be free. Ever. No matter who's in charge. If you recognize you are free, you are free no matter what assholes rule Washington.

282 Ace, maybe you're not old enough, but do you remember Bob Grant and Barry Farber?

They were doing conservative themed talk shows on AM in the NYC Metro Area when Rush was still wandering around Top 40 stations trying to hold onto a steady job

Remember Morton Downey Jr? Kind of a right wing version of Geraldo's show, but it grew until Downey's own wackiness did him in

283 The liberal pitch: don't work, get everything you want for free, do what you want without any consequence

The conservative pitch: work hard, your actions have consequences, so act responsibly

As a consumer of political parties/philosophies, which is more appealing to a 20 year old?

284 I didn't say that Fox has the same access to everyone, but they, the number 1 station, couldn't motivate the base to vote. I do have a question for you: is Fox overtly biased against the Democratic party, because they claim to be fair and balanced. What is their distinction, to you, specifically. And in Chicago, the conservative stations WIND and WLS both bury the lone weakling prog radio. Bury it HARD. Okay, that's the heart of Obama land. I get that. but I would venture to guess that SRN and ClearChannel proliferate far more than the progs on radio. Radio is a conservative haven, even in the people's republic of Chicago.

Posted by: romulus at December 13, 2012 05:31 PM (MgN9a)

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Are you really this dense or are you just pulling my chain?

285
There is a lot of ruin in a country.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch carries matches.... at December 13, 2012 05:14 PM (RFeQD)

Take heart. The worst burning will occur in the camps of our enemies. We, being a more sensible group of people, will have prepared for the fire storm better than they.

286 "Except he's let them paint him as a racist. Case in point the McNabb comment. What the F did he think would happen? He played right into their hands.
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He speaks the truth when he sees it. That's why he has such a large audience. He and all of the rest of us are going to be branded one way or the other by speaking the truth because the truth hurts the leftist ideal.

I don't get how a pasty white dude with a big ego can tell the truth
and be castigated by his 'own' side

Not to mention that the comment was ABOUT FOOTBALL. The very thing he was hired to comment on.
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He brought up "black quarterback" and made the political point about media wanting a black quarterback to do well.

http://tinyurl.com/aenpcbu

287

I used to be really opposed to pirating music or movies.  I just don't think stealing is right.  But my son, who is an aspiring film composer, does it all the time and says his conscience is not bothered by it at all and he does not consider it stealing.   The point of making music is to have people hear it, not to make money.   He says if more people hear his music by downloading it and wouldn't buy it, he is happy.  Completely changed my opinion.

 

And I am beginning to see the utility of withholding my money from these media companies who hate me and are ruining America. 

288 Ace, my friend, I'd say the exposure of "JournOList" really was the date the "we-DO-have-some-objective-standards" mask was ripped off these thugs. No real house-cleanings, no punishments, you KNOW they just set up a new list for the cadre. Oh, that's a word we have to re-klearn, friends: cadre. As for creating a new media, I'd say Glenn Beck is doing a damn good job...along w/Breitbart, DCaller, and your lil ole self!

289 Hi Ace,


Here are some other things I have concluded about this topic:


1) none of this is an accident, because all the people you are talking about get a paycheck, and those that fund the paychecks are fully aware of what the recipient of the paycheck is doing.  If those that fund wanted those that act to stop, the paychecks would stop -- and they never do.  Accidental paychecks have a time limit.  I now refuse to believe any of the media crap that the individuals don't have the full backing of those corporations for whom they work.


2) those that fund the media paychecks have a vested interest in owning our government -- that is why they do what they do.  No matter how much they may lose in the media venture it is still a price they are willing to pay.  There is simply no doubt they will make up the money in other ways.  For example, if one owns congress, one can sell a lot of turbines, so it does not matter if one loses some money in one's media venture as long as that media venture helps one own congress.


3)  I have boycotted.  It's not that bad.  I miss football, but I am getting over it.  Turn their shit off and don't go back.  It has actually been an improvement in my life not to subject myself to their bilge.


4)  Focusing on the media portion of the empire will be ineffective.  Think bigger.  Someone is funding a paycheck.  Why?  How can you get those that fund the paycheck to conclude that a different path would be a better choice for them?


5) An Art of War approach is needed here.  The powerful are vulnerable, but not in obvious ways.  Tactics are needed that use their strength against them.  No single tactic will work, and those tactics that do work will not continue working indefinitely.  This will be a long struggle.


6)  This struggle is not trivial.  Those that are funding the media so they can own the government want to own the government so they can own you.  Thanks to John Roberts' view of the unlimited taxing power of Congress owning the media has become a gateway to slavery. 

290 What the medai is doing is treason, just like Pat Caddell said. Our form of government is singularly dependent on a reliable source of information upon which to make informed decisions. And anyone that distorts or hides that information is a traitor to the very concept of self-government. It is that fucking simple.

Posted by: LGoPs at December 13, 2012 05:15 PM (4x8W0)

A very salient point.  Most people THINK they are getting the truth. They don't know what they don't know. 

How can they make rational decisions if they are getting false or incomplete data?

291 Take heart. The worst burning will occur in the camps of our enemies. We, being a more sensible group of people, will have prepared for the fire storm better than they.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 13, 2012 05:34 PM (bb5+k)

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I keep hearing this but argument but it's bullshit. Their side has the govt. The govt has the power to take your shit and give it to them. That's the entire premise of the Democrat party. Don't do anything, don't work. We'll steal other people's money and give it to you. Used to be they at least phrased that in the guise of helping the poor. Now they straight up campaign on theft from evil rich (mainly white) people.

292 As a consumer of political parties/philosophies, which is more appealing to a 20 year old? It's your own stupid ass fault for pitching it that way. Ron Paul does great with 20 somethings, but hey, he's icky. And when his 20-something fans show up here we flat out tell them to go away and become democrats because they are too icky.

293

Posted by: romulus at December 13, 2012 05:24 PM (MgN9a)

 

 

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You sound like you got your talking points from Kos.  Or the DNC.   You need to be a bit more original to make it sound like it's your own opinion.

294 I keep hearing this but argument but it's bullshit. Their side has the govt. The govt has the power to take your shit and give it to them. They can do that because it's their money. If their money falls, redistribution of those beans growing in your backyard, or the gold you burried God-knows-where, is a lot harder, and a lot more obvious. And the money WILL fall.

295 288The liberal pitch: don't work, get everything you want for free, do what you want without any consequence
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As a consumer of political parties/philosophies, which is more appealing to a 20 year old?
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You know, this is the essence of the Romeny 47% crack, as well as his comments aftrer the election that Obama appealed to the "free shit" army.  That may be true.  Gingrich, Jindahl and George blasted his comments.  George Will made the observation that it's one thing if it appears that voters don't like you.  It's waaaaaayyyy worse if it appears that you don't like voters.  Either Will is wrong, or you are.  Go ahead.  Tell me who's right on this one. 

296 Ron Paul does great with 20 somethings, but hey, he's icky. And when his 20-something fans show up here we flat out tell them to go away and become democrats because they are too icky.

Posted by: entropy at December 13, 2012 05:38 PM (YUttk)

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I agree to some extent. Ron Paul was run out of town by the right.

BUT....

Ron Paul's appeal was and is quite limiting I think. Yes he got 2000 people to show up on college campuses. But how did that translate into votes for him? It didn't.

And let's be honest here. His appeal to the 20 somethings wasn't because he wants to cut spending. It's because he wants to legalize pot. Which is fine by me, legalize it all as far as I am concerned. But don't kid yourself into thinking the stoner at a Ron Paul rally is also in favor of reducing Medicaid or Food Stamps. Chances are he's ON medicaid and food stamps.

297 You know, this is the essence of the Romeny 47% crack, as well as his comments aftrer the election that Obama appealed to the "free shit" army. That may be true. Gingrich, Jindahl and George blasted his comments. George Will made the observation that it's one thing if it appears that voters don't like you. It's waaaaaayyyy worse if it appears that you don't like voters. Either Will is wrong, or you are. Go ahead. Tell me who's right on this one.

Posted by: romulus at December 13, 2012 05:42 PM (MgN9a)

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It's official. You are the most cretinous poster here. Congrats.

298 Probably. So what? That's not so hard. Whether you help it along or not, the fed will end up bankrupt.


Republicans have plenty of states to themselves.

Posted by: entropy at December 13, 2012 05:28 PM (YUttk)

And this is an outcome that I would consider as positive, though highly unlikely of occurring in the near term. No, I think even the conservative states are going to be forced over the cliff because it is not so simple to cut the chains to the Liberal states.

299

Fuckin' math, how does it work?

And Ron Paul is icky.

300 The rest of the nation that will burn (I'm looking at you, blue states) will need good examples to copy when they start digging out of the ashes.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 05:31 PM (OqZHj)

The "Red" States (God I hate using the color pushed on  us by the MFM back in 1992) will not escape the burn. We are chained to the "blue" (communist) states by a common currency, and short of secession it is not possible to avoid the financial collapse of the American Dollar.

We are going to burn too.

301 You sound like you got your talking points from Kos. Or the DNC. You need to be a bit more original to make it sound like it's your own opinion.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 05:39 PM (OqZHj)

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So, you're saying he's a revealer of truth and not a rhetorician?  Do you know what rhetoric is, and what a rhetorician does?  Politicians aren't ideologues, they're rhetoricians.  A car salesman is not a truth-teller -- he's, you guessed it, a rhetorician.  I hope that was illuminating.

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You can ignore Rush's responsibility, and I know you will, and I don't care what you do or think, ultimately.  He's a cancer and the right, not the left, will excise him.  He's done, kid.  You'll always have the memories, though.  So you got that going for yourself.  Which is nice. 

302 But don't kid yourself into thinking the stoner at a Ron Paul rally is also in favor of reducing Medicaid or Food Stamps. See, there you go again. It's cultural bigotry. We all have our little tribes and our little whistles. The right, the left, and everything in between. It's why conservatives jump at that thought of running Colin fucking Powell or Petraeus... because they see a military uniform and automatically think "one of us", even when they aren't. And likewise, you see some dreadlocked kid in a pot leaf t-shirt and just assume he must be the other. Because you don't like his aesthetic style, he can't possibly be one of you. You're respectable people, he's obviously an enemy trashball. It's all caricatures. Because stoners can't possibly be Austrian on economics. You'd be surprised. If you ever allowed yourself to be.

303 You can ignore Rush's responsibility, and I know you will, and I don't care what you do or think, ultimately. He's a cancer and the right, not the left, will excise him. He's done, kid. You're an idiot. Have you ever even listened to him? How do you figure 'hes done'? Who are you? I never even heard of you.

304 I keep hearing this but argument but it's bullshit. Their side has the govt. The govt has the power to take your shit and give it to them. That's the entire premise of the Democrat party. Don't do anything, don't work. We'll steal other people's money and give it to you. Used to be they at least phrased that in the guise of helping the poor. Now they straight up campaign on theft from evil rich (mainly white) people.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 13, 2012 05:37 PM (HDgX3)

The Cities will burn, and they will scavenge the countryside for food for the Cities.  It requires a great deal of food now to feed our cities.  I am thinking they won't be able to do it without the cooperation of the Farmers, at least to the extent that a lot of their supporters won't survive the starvation. 

305 It's official. You are the most cretinous poster here. Congrats.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 13, 2012 05:44 PM (HDgX3)

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Gingrich.  Will.  Jindal.  They all said he was nuts -- not for thinking it, but for saying it out loud.  What they didn't say is that, in voters' minds, his post-election statements confirmed his antipathy towards most Americans.  They said that, not me.  Two conservative politicians and one conservative commentator who were pulling for the GOP, and pulling for Romney -- and he didn't have the presence of mind to know how is words are heard by the electorate he was supposedly capable of leading.  He embarassed them, and no one put a gun to their heads to express their disbelief at his stupidity.  And, by association, your own stupidity. 

306
If their money falls, redistribution of those beans growing in your backyard, or the gold you burried God-knows-where, is a lot harder, and a lot more obvious.


And the money WILL fall.

Posted by: entropy at December 13, 2012 05:41 PM (YUttk)

And this is my point as well.

307  No, I think even the conservative states are going to be forced over the cliff because it is not so simple to cut the chains to the Liberal states.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 13, 2012 05:44 PM (bb5+k)

 

 

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I think they would, even  with the knowledge that it will hurt in the short-term.   We Americans in the middle of the country like our freedom.  We have our share of liberals (yes we do) but the liberalism here  just doesn't seem as radical as  it is in the northeast or the west coast.   It seems more in the order of what it used to be; a difference of opinion. 

 

 

 

308 Henceforth known as exhibit 2 in the argument supporting...

...Let It Burn.

Exhibit 1 being that a voting majority show up to the polls for goodies and presents.

Exhibit 3 being we are probably fucked anyway with 50 to 75 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

309 He brought up "black quarterback" and made the political point about media wanting a black quarterback to do well.

http://tinyurl.com/aenpcbu
Posted by: Liontooth at December 13, 2012 05:35 PM

Rush could have left it at "overrated" and although the left would have still accused him of racism, he wouldn't have made it a lot easier for them by bringing race into it. It played into the "conservatives hate blacks" meme. Rush bit the hook

310

Posted by: romulus at December 13, 2012 05:48 PM (MgN9a)

 

 

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I've read enough from you to say that you and people like you are the cancer.  Your part of the problem.  Get the fuck back to your lefty friends at Kos.  Maybe they'll listen to your  pre-manufactured  shit.

311 Dems are doing to college youth the same thing LBJ did to the AA community. Keep them on the government hook, and they're yours forever.

People get more conservative when they get some skin in the game: owning a home, owning a business, having kids. The Dems don't want that to happen, unless they are in charge. Ergo, free birth control, student bailouts.

I saw the light about six months after Bubba Clinton was elected. I went to my accountant to get my taxes done. Give me those middle class tax cuts! I said. He, a big Repub, sat back and laughed his head off at me: Didn't you get the memo? He took them back! Didn't know how had the budget really was! I saw the light.

312 >>>tea party against the GOP establishment. You want to blame someone? You can start there.

BWAHAHAHAHA!
No Rush. No Newt Gingrich majority in 94

No tea party no Boehner Majority. No Scott Brown. Which means, yeah, Single Payer via public option would have been law along with CapNTrade, and Amnesty, and 50% top marginal rate, and God only knows what else.

With no Tea Party, Obama wouldn't need a second term. 

313 I've read enough from you to say that you and people like you are the cancer. Your part of the problem. Get the fuck back to your lefty friends at Kos. Maybe they'll listen to your pre-manufactured shit.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 05:59 PM (OqZHj)

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You can malign me all you want, I could really care less what you think.  You want truth, you're not gonna find it on the radio, kiddo.  Why don't you ask some of the standbys out here what they think of Rush.  Even a ditto head has to admit he's anti-GOP establishment.  He's far more interested in cultivating a listenership than government leadership.  I'm not saying he wanted Obama to win, but Rush's ratings go up when there's a big, common enemy to whip on a daily basis.  Let's just say Obama winning was a happy accident for El Rushbo.  More money to pay Sir Elton to sing at his next wedding. 

314 That's funny PJ...that was almost to the day when I saw the light.  It just happened to coincide with a few months on my first real job.   Hmmmm.

315 You're PRO republican establishment? LOFL. Hehehehhehe.

316 I'm for facing the issues honestly.  If someone thinks Rush is doing the GOP any favors, I'm going to stand up and say they are wrong.  If someone thinks he's telling "truth" I'm going to explain the difference between truth and rhetoric, between ideology and making a buck.  Nothing wrong with making a buck, as long as we don't confuse the subordinate "ideology" for the dominant "profit margin" ideology.  Ace knows its the truth.  And that was the point of all my posts.  Media is about makin money.  You can fudge the premise all you want, but if there's a dollar involved, the message is almost inherently comprimised.  You want truth?  Talk to God.  You want opinion?  Trust yourself. 

317 It's the basis of Alinsky -- make them live up to their own moral code.

Posted by: Phelps at December 13, 2012 05:10 PM (9Kx2Z)

That's the BIG PROBLEM, right there. THEY HAVE NO MORAL CODE! This is why charges of hypocrisy don't seem to stick to the left. Lying, hypocrisy, fraud, cronyism - none of this is a problem if it advances the socialist agenda. These are revenue enhancers, not shameful vices.

I'm with Ace on Let It Burn. The squishy middle needs to see first hand the horror and futility of socialism. They need to experience hauling a wheelborrow of cash to buy a loaf of bread. They need to know for themselves the dead-end of living without thinking.

Then, and only then, can we on the right pick up the pieces and re-create a Constitutional Republic.

In the mean-time, we must work to educate as many as possible, and likely as covertly as possible, in the virtues of free-market economics and accountable, representative government. It may be too late to re-infiltrate the very institutions that we slowly and silently surrendered. It is never too late to get involved with mentoring and, to borrow a concept from Christianity, friendship evangelism.

We've lost the national political arena, but we can still have an impact in certain states and localities. Focus on local, local, local.

318 It just feels so relentless, like I can't even fight it anymore. Ace is right, we need to form a new media organization, now while we can. Because I honestly believe it's getting to the point where we'll be shamed to go underground with our beliefs and the Media will from here on out be known as the Ministry of Truth.

I'm just waiting for Obama's call to end term limits, so he can, in what will probably be his words, "finish what I started."

319 Congrats, your only 3 or 5 years behind Glenn Beck and his Blaze media outfit, which still puts you immeasurably ahead of most other conservatives.

320

NEW-MEDIA

It's called the BIGs

 

This is WAR

321 If you want to take out the media, you have to take away their revenue streams and those revenue streams are protected by... copyright. Derek Khanna is right, and the Republicans are wrong.

Right now the free market is distorted by a few large players controlling most of the copyrighted content (movies, tv, music, etc). That's bad enough but as Ace point out, these folks now have enough mojo to create their own reality in which they a disinterested, non-partisan observers.

That would be bad enough but, and here's the thing, the worst sitting president in modern memory was re-elected by mobilizing low-information voters. In other words by the consumers of media.

Boycotts will not work because:

High-info, Republican voters are not the media's target demographic. The media we consume around the edges is just gravy to them. If we all went cold turkey, as in no NFL championship game, it still wouldn't make a dent. And who here is ready to miss the big half-time show?

Building an alternative media will not work because:

FOX News. It has high ratings mostly from high-info right-leaning voters. And it's general reputation among the rest of the population is... little better than any random center-right blog. Just how it is. Murdock makes money, that's fine but it isn't winning hearts and minds.

It is cost-prohibitive and ultimately doomed to try and compete unless and until the dominant media has been mortally weakened.

I hate to say it but we are not going to win until we destroy the media advantage the Democrats have. Everything else: deck chairs, Titanic, iceberg.

You have to attack the revenue stream. The revenue stream is copyright. Return copyright to something that more closely approximates the founders' intent and you create pink slips at NBC.

Further reading:

Virgina Psotrel...
http://is.gd/HmE20A

Derek Khanna's paper:
http://is.gd/JEk4NW

322 I wonder if a low-tech action would be somewhat effective here.  If the goal is to draw attention to the media's bias, perhaps buying some billboard space in key markets would suffice. It could, at the very least, get it on the radar of people who still get their news from the major media outlets.

323 "You have to attack the revenue stream. The revenue stream is copyright." Yes. Cut it down to 20 years from publication or 30 years from creation, whichever is less. I'm also open to 25/35. No more of this "lifetime of the individual or lifetime of the Disney Corporation" nonsense. Think of how much content would instantly appear in the public domain. 95% of the damage done by that move will be to liberals. Very little of the damage will be to actors.

324 Tocquevillian, then you got your first paycheck and said...what's all these deduction things? Who took all my money?

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Re TV revenue stream, if Fox would go live online, millions would all cut the cable right away. I'd even pay to stream it.

325 Boycotting can be done and with absolutely no cost to the boycotter. You want to punish the media but just can't live without your weekly dose of the Office or the Mentalist or Dancing With The Stars or CSI or whatever? Fine, you can download new episodes off the internet (illegally, but no strategy is perfect) literally right after they're done airing. And if it's sports you want you can purchase an Apple TV box and jailbreak it and get all the sports you need.

The point here is you get to piggyback off the work of the media, enjoy the fruits of their labor without putting one dime in their pockets. I can't think of a sweeter revenge than that.

One caveat: Don't download any Norah Jones. I've been a superfan for 10 years. She's talented. She's nice. She doesn't politicize her work. What can I say, she does it for me. She deserves every penny. That's all. Carry on.

326 Well, making the Big Leagues(TM) seems to have scored you a few more Mobys, Ace. Or is this one of our old ones with a shiny new hash? And if I had known the smart military blog would be a Major News Source by the end of the day, I would have had my hair done.

327 You, or others who can do so, need to put out just how we peons can help with building new media. Not watching the mastodon media is easy.

328

Ace, one thing I've noticed from the local progs is that they drip with the word "postmodern".  It turns out the way they use it is as projectional as everything else they do.

You know the whole "postmodern" schtick where everyone is in their own little head and they have accepted it as their reality and there's no point in arguing with them because they can't comprehend anything but their own reality?

Well, they're on their own little asteroid with their sheep and their rose under a bell jar, and have declared it "the reality based world".  Ad nauseam.

And everyone who does not recognize that their reality is the one and only true and REAL reality is just in their own little postmodern racist homophobic woman hating fake "reality", poor teabagging idiots who can't understand why their unearned privilege has come to an end.

I had a small success today:  the primo progblogger in my little corner of the planet was shamed, by me, on facebook, into switching from posting Twinkie memes from "Americans Against the Republican Party" to recycling her anti-violence memes that were coming wo dozen a day when the VAWA was the shout of the moment.  I reposted their Twinkie/teabagger meme with the heading "Dem congressman's son, his girlfriend, and a prog feminist walk out of a bar..."

Within two minutes there was some very small acknowledgement that what happened was wrong.

Shame can happen, which is nice.

329 Another idea. Buy one share of stock in the media companies, go to the annual shareholders meetings, and kick up a stink about the coverage.

330 Oh, by the way, the media presents what's profitable.

Right.  Go with that.  Invest heavily.

331 @140, you need Hillbilly Housewife: http://www.hillbillyhousewife.com/ . And there's Poor Girl Eats Well: http://www.poorgirleatswell.com/ .  I did see a 50s food challenge once on a blog, where they cooked out of period cookbooks. There's a pretty good niche market for foodies out there.

332 The media have become propaganda mills. Really, an arms of the government in a third-world dictatorship sense.

They continue to bleed money and are very unprofitable. Most media companies are bad investments. In a capitalist society, one would start to envision the end of these companies.

They are mostly supported and invested in by like minded people or funds that invest in conglomerates. But eventually people get tired of losing money and they will be abandoned. Papers such as the NYT are very close to facing their own fiscal cliff.

Some have tried adding a token Republican or person alleged to be Republican. Then we have people like  Jake Tapper who throw a cookie to Republicans every so often under the guise of "balance". Sure.

Should media organizations start to face their end, watch how the Democrats move to support these companies with our tax dollars using some lofty strawman as their motive.

333 "They have simply decided that they are the DNC's Media Arm."

I've been saying that sort of thing for quite some time now. The media these days is basically the propaganda arm of the Democrat Party. No ifs, ands, or buts.

334 #336 or going back even further, how about "Depression cooking with Clara". Clara is a lady in her nineties who shows you how they did it.

335 @334 This could work. In fact, if we could persuade a few thousand or so of us to buy a handful of shares each and then collectively assign our proxy to, say, Ace, we could actually wreak some thoughtful havoc. Say getting Rupert Murdoch a seat on the board or Roger Ailes or Rush Limbaugh. You get the idea.

336 One more idea:  Provide an opportunity for regular folks to get on TV.

You know that is why those people stand in the window at the Today Show,  why people get in the background and wave during football interviews,  why so many no-talent losers show up for American Idol auditions.

So have a network with lots of shows which let regular people appear and showcase their skills or talents.  AND their kids!

Have a show called "This Week's Best Recipes" where 5-10 local,  no-name cooks show their special dish.

Have a show about piano-playing kids, or tap dancing kids, or kid musicians. (Once upon a time this was called Arthur Godfrey's Talent Scouts.)

Have competitions between small towns for the best 4th of July parade,  with prizes awarded.  Take tours of State Fairs,  or the best state parks from each state.

Guy Feieri (or however you spell it) has made an entire show out of touring diners all over the US.  Why not something similar only about unusual attractions,  such as Holiday World in southern Indiana?  

You have to have shows which grab eyeballs,  and the message has to be very understated.  I have LOTS of ideas, just no money.

337 Excellent post, 100% correct in every particular.

And, quite frankly, why shouldn't they feel this way, they just won obama his second term.

So, for them the plan is working.

In the end they may end up like Robespierre and co, but for right now they're winning.

338 Actually NBC is owned 51% by Comcast and 49% by GE. The real bargain for big media is the NY Times which closed at $8.26 today. So they have about 143 million shares so a 5% stake is about 7.15 million shares. This is way back of the envelope but hypothetically Iowahawk has about 36,000 followers on Twitter. So, if each of his followers bought 200 shares it would cost each follower about $1650 plus $5 bucks for the trade on strafe. Then assigning their proxy to Iowahawk he would then vote 5% of the stock. Multiply this process out among the conservative blogosphere... This seems too easy, there may be trade regulation or other laws that prevent this. But if not: doable.

339 Ishmael, I like the way you're thinkin... Speaking of crashing shareholder meetings, one little guy named Reed Irvine, founder of Accuracy in Media, used to enrage the libs and get some good news stories by doing this himself years ago...Now w/the concept of flash-mobs, why cdn't we pack ~50-100 or even 1,000 enraged shareholders into every media corp meeting and at least GET THEIR ATTENTION in an embarrassing, public way.

340 BTW... NBC lists copyright infringement in their SEC filings as one of the biggest threats to their business. That means reforming copyright as mentioned in #326 is definitely a way to take out big media.

341 Who says we can't boycott liberal media? Or liberal movie stars or liberal businesses?  Money talks.  Let them bray with no pay.

342 It's tricky to boycott unless you get their attention. When I gave up on the New York Times I cut up my Macy's charge card and pasted the pieces to a letter to the head of Macy's at the time, and copied the EVP of sales at the Times. I said I could no longer tolerate the leftward drift of the paper and by extension, its advertisers. Felt great. It's one thing to send an angry letter, but sending pieces of the charge card is a very concrete way to demonstrate that you are no longer a customer.  The retail stores are big advertisers of newspapers; I think the equivalent would be a car company for a Tv station.

343 Another pressure point is the Associated Press. Did you know it's a nonprofit? - I think of that when I hear BS about taxing the churches....the AP makes TONS of money and the reporters who write books based on their experience get to keep the cash, although, when you think about it, they are subsidized by taxpayers.   The left challenges the tax exemption all the time: 
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/alec-irs-tax-exempt-challenge

Would the fact that the AP is shielded from certain tax liabilities make its reporting on tax policy suspect? Let's ask the board of directors...
 http://www.ap.org/company/board-of-directors

344 Here's the test for the pro-boycott folks. Organize a boycott of the NFL championship game. If you can tank the Super Bowl ratings you will most likely get their attention. This year the game is on CBS. They certainly have it coming. If successful, it probably would cause a severe financial loss. Boycott both the broadcast and the advertisers. Go big or go home.

345 To repeat my old song you may as well get mad an enemy soldiers for firing at you. They mean to win the war and will never willingly disarm. How to get around their lines and flank them is the question, Long term planning- One of us will eventually come up with some big insightful idea.

346 One big hurtle is winning the confidence of the general public. The left blogs and media have been successful at smearing Fox and blogs as "biased, partisan" and so forth to the general public. Now that advantage has been somewhat lost over the last four years but the actions of the left media themselves. But, a campaign to win the trust of the general public would help. And announcing "we're fair and balanced" is not what I have in mind. The reputation problem has been spread by word of mouth in schools, universities , worksites. Who convinced them first and how can that avenue be duplicated in the opposite direction?

347 It is such a waste of brainpower and time to talk about the bias of the MSM (I'm looking at you Rush Limbaugh.) Conservative media should keep getting out their message and then we should all be sharing the correct info. in person and through FB, twitter, etc. Have respectful conversations with leftists and gently show them the error of their ways. The only way to beat free is to educate them on the end result.

348 It's not only political ideology but science also. They want to control your healthcare, eventually your lifestyle. They want to control your energy usage by using "smart meters in the name of saving the planet via the global warming hoax. The third leg of the tripod is food. Most of the world lives on rice and beans, we should live on rice and beans too. Besides cow farts contribute to global warming.

349 Ace,

I don't have a lot of time, so forgive me for not reading all of the comments before I post.

But I have an additional data point that supports your position - that the media has just given up pretending to be nonpartisan. Have you seen any "Whoops, we were too biased this past election" articles this time around?

It used to be that for each presidential election, the media would be horribly biased for the Democrat and would push hard to get them elected. Traditionally, a couple days after the election, the Ombudsman would look back on their paper's performance and admit that yeah, things were a little lopsided. This would usually end with a promise to look into it, an introduction of new editorial controls, assurances that they would do better next time, blah, blah, blah.

The classic example is Deborah Howell's article "An Obama Tilt in Campaign Coverage", November 9th, 2008 in the Washington Post.

So... where are the mea culpas this time around? I think they've just decided that it's not worth the pixels. Because they don't even have to pretend any more.