October 03, 2012

Lindsey Graham: Obama's Lockheed Illegality Is a "Mini-Coup"
— Ace

It is. More and more Obama simply disregards the law, or asserts his authority -- apparently as a tyrant, unchecked by a legislature -- to change the law via his sole decision it should be changed.

Graham is deeply concerned about the move, and about the lack of attention it is receiving — within and without Congress. The manouvre is “incredibly disturbing,” he told me. How disturbing? “It is exhibit A in the march toward an imperial presidency.” The “statute is clear,” Graham continued, “the WARN Act is the law of the land.” Here, “we have a White House saying, ‘we don’t care what the law we signed says.’” The OMB analysis — which holds that as the law might change, there is no need for businesses to comply with it — is “absurd on its face,” the senator told me, and the Department of Labor’s advisory opinion “a political move.” It is “patently illegal for the federal government to absorb the financial cost of a private company for not following the law. Never have we put the taxpayer on the hook for a private company failing to follow the law.”

Graham wondered aloud, “why are Democrats are not upset about the precedent? This has implications beyond this election cycle.” What implications?, I queried. “Imagine if a Republican president said that, because his proposed tax cuts were likely to become law, there was no need for the existing rates to be paid.” What we have here, I suggested, is the government instructing people to violate the law, and offering to mitigate the consequences. “Yes,” Graham agreed. “It’s crazy legal analysis. We are in danger of being no longer a rule of law nation. It’s a mini-coup.”

As you probably heard, Michelle Obama has never been more proud of her country than when her husband "worked around" Congress and the Constitution he swore to defend.

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1 Because if he can't, it's RAAAACCCCIIIISSSSMMMMMM!!!!!!!!

Posted by: © Sponge at October 03, 2012 12:39 PM (UK9cE)

2 Laws?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 03, 2012 12:39 PM (IOuIz)

3 I'm in!

Posted by: jeanne at October 03, 2012 12:40 PM (GdalM)

4 Lindsey Graham is right. And now I owe my brother $500 because I swore I would never say that.

Posted by: Komissar Vladimir at October 03, 2012 12:40 PM (sBegS)

5 The Mini Coupe is nice, but not much storage.

Posted by: VW Zao at October 03, 2012 12:40 PM (I7O5y)

6 Squeak, said the mouse?

Posted by: Craig Poe at October 03, 2012 12:40 PM (BVkEs)

7 Obama has done so much shit like this, I can't explain it to my liberal husband anymore.   It sounds like I'm making stuff up.

Posted by: jeanne at October 03, 2012 12:40 PM (GdalM)

8 I for one, embrace our imperial lord and master.

Posted by: HtP at October 03, 2012 12:41 PM (ThQzX)

9 Graham wondered aloud, “why are Democrats are not upset about the precedent? This has implications beyond this election cycle.” What implications?, I queried. “Imagine if a Republican president said that, because his proposed tax cuts were likely to become law, there was no need for the existing rates to be paid.” What we have here, I suggested, is the government instructing people to violate the law, and offering to mitigate the consequences. “Yes,” Graham agreed. “It’s crazy legal analysis. We are in danger of being no longer a rule of law nation. It’s a mini-coup.”


Because Democrats DON'T CARE about anything but SUPREME POWER.  They only want dictatorship and will stop at nothing to destroy those that aren't on board.

Posted by: © Sponge at October 03, 2012 12:41 PM (UK9cE)

10 Oh this post fits right in w/the link below....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 03, 2012 12:42 PM (pLTLS)

11

Yo, Lindsay, while you're on the subject.....Zero is also buying an Illinois prison. So he can send his Jihadi buddies there from Gitmo.

Without authorization, of course.

 

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 03, 2012 12:42 PM (YmPwQ)

12 Obama is a Stuttering Clusterf**k of a Miserable Criminal.

Posted by: Average Guy at October 03, 2012 12:42 PM (yL1VH)

13 Lindsey Graham: Obama's Lockheed Illegality Is a "Mini-Coup" Legalizing certain illegals by fiaat was worse. Taking the US to war without Congressional approval - without even talking to anyone in Congress - was worse. Declaring the Senate to be out of session, against the determination of the Senate, itself, was worse ... I could go on for days with this shit. There's nothing "mini" about this coup.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 12:43 PM (X3lox)

14 I have the same problem with my liberal wife. "Where'd you hear that garbage? On one of your conspiracy Web sites? Never heard that on NPR."

7 Obama has done so much shit like this, I can't explain it to my liberal husband anymore. It sounds like I'm making stuff up.

Posted by: jeanne at October 03, 2012 04:40 PM (GdalM)

Posted by: Pyrocles at October 03, 2012 12:43 PM (cv5Iw)

15 The joke is that when Lockheed is sued for not obeying the WARN Act, there won't be a federal backstop under President Romney.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 03, 2012 12:43 PM (qGu2j)

16 But all these "great patriots" will do is whine. This country is now a one branch government and Obama has crowned himself emperor by default. It's over folks, the country is lost and the Republic is no more. This election is a useless farce.

Posted by: rplat at October 03, 2012 12:43 PM (wSYyB)

17 I saw that quote from moochelle today. WTF?

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 12:44 PM (9+ccr)

18 Does this mean I can drive home drunk on election night if Bammy wins?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 03, 2012 12:44 PM (8wH5z)

19 But..but..but...BOOOOOOOSH!!1!!1!111!!1!!111111!!!1!

Posted by: Fuckwit leftard at October 03, 2012 12:44 PM (aHR5E)

20 Government of the czars, by executive order and for Brock O'Bamma.

Posted by: VW Zao at October 03, 2012 12:44 PM (I7O5y)

21 As you probably heard, Michelle Obama has never been more proud of her country than when her husband "worked around" Congress and the Constitution he swore to defend.

That's funny that it took until then, because I would have thought Michelle Obama would have been proud of her country years before when she was admitted to Princeton despite being patently unqualified.

But hey, that's just me.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 03, 2012 12:44 PM (sbV1u)

22 Goober being somewhat cogent, for once.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 03, 2012 12:44 PM (+tqYo)

23 Or... I could not read the content of ace's post *grins*

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 03, 2012 12:45 PM (pLTLS)

24 A country of men, not laws.

Posted by: Madison Weeps at October 03, 2012 12:45 PM (rlba9)

25

Concerning polls, google "Why Mitt Romney WonÂ’t Win the Post Debate Swing State Polls" McLaughlin & Associates. Via The Corner at NRO.

 

Good article.

Posted by: jwest at October 03, 2012 12:45 PM (ZDsRL)

26 Why aren't Republicans in Congress more upset about the Precedent, Sen Graham?

Posted by: Firing the Precedent In the White House in November at October 03, 2012 12:45 PM (w84dK)

27 Yeah a couple of things Lindsey

1) Why aren't you and the rest of the GOP doing ANYTHING
to reign in Obama.

2) Do you really think the Donks/MSM would let a GOP President
get away with what you turds let Obama get away on a regular basis?

Posted by: General Woundwort at October 03, 2012 12:45 PM (06lNq)

28 I like the idea of Pres Romney saying only Republicans don't have to pay taxes and the federal gov't will pick up any penlties the tax payers face.

WTF is wrong with the media and liberals that they aren't upset about this.  W.T.F.  !!!!!!

Posted by: Tonic Dog at October 03, 2012 12:45 PM (X/+QT)

29 15 The joke is that when Lockheed is sued for not obeying the WARN Act, there won't be a federal backstop under President Romney. --- Here's a thought... can Romney say "Since President Obama decided that this was OK and offered to pay for it, we'll take any such fines out of his Presidential pension."?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 03, 2012 12:45 PM (e0xKF)

30 About d@mn time Congress decided to defend itself from Obama's habit of circumventing them. 

Posted by: Lizzy at October 03, 2012 12:45 PM (XDfSm)

31 How is this not prosecutable?  If not the deed itself, as a RICO violation?

Posted by: baboy at October 03, 2012 12:45 PM (8fx75)

32 As you probably heard, Michelle Obama has never been more proud of her country than when her husband "worked around" Congress and the Constitution he swore to defend.

You know that Ann Althouse will accuse you have ugly racism with that comment, ace.

She so wanted a reason to look at Romney, but you forced her back to the loving arms of the Obama Cult

Posted by: kbdabear at October 03, 2012 12:46 PM (wwsoB)

33 We are in danger of being no longer a rule of law nation. It’s a mini-coup.” I left the station almost four years ago.

Posted by: The Rule Of Law Bus at October 03, 2012 12:46 PM (FcR7P)

34 Is Lindsey the only big boy in the Senate?

Posted by: Craig Poe at October 03, 2012 12:46 PM (BVkEs)

35 I have the same problem with my liberal wife. "Where'd you hear that garbage? On one of your conspiracy Web sites? Never heard that on NPR."

7
Obama has done so much shit like this, I can't explain it to my liberal husband anymore. It sounds like I'm making stuff up.


Posted by: jeanne at October 03, 2012 04:40 PM (GdalM)

Posted by: Pyrocles at October 03, 2012 04:43 PM (cv5Iw)




Well, I certainly hope your spouse gives good head, then.  Their politics are truly asinine.

Posted by: © Sponge at October 03, 2012 12:46 PM (UK9cE)

36 She so wanted a reason to look at Romney, but you forced her back to the loving arms of the Obama Cult --- One of us! One of us!

Posted by: Freaks at October 03, 2012 12:47 PM (aHR5E)

37 Question is, what are you going to do about it Lindsey?

Posted by: Alinksy at October 03, 2012 12:47 PM (R43E/)

38 Well Miss Lindsey is right but nothing will be done about it before the election..

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 12:47 PM (9+ccr)

39 Just don't tell Althouse what nut means today, or any other sexual term. It's liable to set her off.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at October 03, 2012 12:47 PM (i2Lsf)

40 This is an easy three-fer-issue for Romney tonight.
1) Lawless Obama / cronyism
2) More layoffs = bad economy mgmt
3) Misuse of taxpayer funds, more debt

This is the issue that can be used so many ways in mini soundbites all night long.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at October 03, 2012 12:48 PM (X/+QT)

41 Well, when the serious news media continuously portrays the president with halos, we can hardly blame him for thinking that he doesn't have to follow the rules of mere mortals. I no longer think Obama is the story. The real story is the news media people who have completely given up any responsibility toward the public. Their job is to promote their own political agenda, and to get their guy re-elected. You would have to be a complete imbecile to have any respect for them. I'm looking at you, entertainment industry imbeciles.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 03, 2012 12:48 PM (ZCRQd)

42 Wait, Graham's not up for re-election this year, is he? Why is he pretending to be a conservative?

Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 03, 2012 12:48 PM (aHR5E)

43 If a Republican were doing it: SCANDAL!

Since a Democrat is doing it: Yawn.

Cynical? Me? Why would I be cynical?

Posted by: joncelli at October 03, 2012 12:48 PM (RD7QR)

44 Dem pols are trying to subtly convey that sequestration will not happen. But they have to be careful because if Barry is re-elected, the odds are that it will. And they know it.

Posted by: HtP at October 03, 2012 12:48 PM (aY3VP)

45 He'll have to literally use profane language to get the media to cover this.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 03, 2012 12:48 PM (hrAg/)

Posted by: slatz at October 03, 2012 12:48 PM (mE0Rl)

47 It's cute how some of you still think this is a nation of laws.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows poor people don't know how to dress themselves at October 03, 2012 12:49 PM (AZGON)

48 Say, has Linsday heard about Fast & Furious yet? Has he noticed that there's been no budget passed for the last 3 years? Is he aware that the EPA made re-interpreted a decades old law to grant themselves the authority to regulate greenhouse gasses? Has he noticed that the HHS contraceptive mandate violates the 1st Amendment? He might want to look into those things while he's getting all high and mighty about the role of Congress.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 03, 2012 12:49 PM (XDfSm)

49 46,
"The WARN Act, how does it f*cking work?!"

Posted by: Tonic Dog at October 03, 2012 12:49 PM (X/+QT)

50

I wonder what fat-assed liberal law professor and Obama supporter Ann Althouse thinks about her candidate blatantly bribing companies to violate the law.

 

Bribing companies with our tax dollars to violate the law.

 

How about it, bitch?  Are you okay with that?  Or  does bringing it up make me look ugly?

 

Fucking  useless asshole.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 03, 2012 12:50 PM (2GOU1)

51 Laws are for the little people. And racists.
 

Posted by: dananjcon at October 03, 2012 12:50 PM (eavT+)

52 Instead of calling it a "mini-coup"...say it's a "fucking mini-coup". And say it again and again on network TV.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 03, 2012 12:50 PM (hrAg/)

53
We're boned.

Insert "if Bush had done it".

That chick Lindsey sometimes does the right thing.

oh, and we're boned.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk, reminding everybody we are boned at October 03, 2012 12:50 PM (PHb2k)

54 “Imagine if a Republican president said that, because his proposed tax cuts were likely to become law, there was no need for the existing rates to be paid.” That's what I've been saying, I'm sure the Left will be all for President Romney telling everyone to ignore the requirements of Obamacare. Good for the goose, etc. If we are not under the Rule of Law, we are under the Rule of Men. One of my undergrad majors was history, I know how that story ends.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD the revelator at October 03, 2012 12:50 PM (VtjlW)

55

I'm almost ready to become a praying man again.

Never thought that would happen.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - malice an incompetence look the same at October 03, 2012 12:51 PM (hLRSq)

56 That's exactly what I was trying to do.

Posted by: slatz at October 03, 2012 12:51 PM (mE0Rl)

57 Obama's default mode when in trouble is to play the race card. He'll play it tonight. If he plays it early, I'll know he thinks he doesn't have a chance.

Posted by: Henry in Des Moines at October 03, 2012 12:51 PM (EuW9O)

58 Thanks to Obama's illegal maneuver, this is getting more play in the msm than it probably would have had they just issued the notices. Do you think there is a Lockheed employee on the planet who hasn't heard this by now not to mention the millions of people who never would have heard about it?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 03, 2012 12:51 PM (2EOKC)

59 Ace, Keep banging this drum. Out of all the things he has done, this is intolerable in the highest. How about this-- lead the charge. Breitbart may be gone, but you still have a blog and a podium. Requiring corporations and citizens under penalty of law and other federal censure, to break the law, and promising to use public monies to pay any fines/etc incurred in the process. Not only must he be defeated, but he needs to do jail time over this. This is a direct action against the Constitution and the Republic. Lead the charge. Further, Romney must bring this up directly. This election is now about the continuation of the Republic or a shift to a new form of government. This, combined with the NDAA and the Catholic Persecution are a national emergency. Combined with foreign policy, can we now suggest malicious intentions?

Posted by: Hopeless at October 03, 2012 12:51 PM (jKE+l)

60 Didn't Obama start this all long, long ago with his refusal to uphold DOMA?

Posted by: Lauren at October 03, 2012 12:51 PM (wsGWu)

61 It's not a law. It's a tax. Or a taxamandate. Anyhow, it's all kosher for purposes of the Anti-Injunction Act.

Posted by: John Roberts, philosopher-king at October 03, 2012 12:51 PM (AZGON)

62 Tyranny and fascism on display.  I think the lesson we can draw, (in f'n real time which pisses me off), is that this kind of behavior is only possible with a willing media. 

This will be lesson that we have to pass on to future generations - in formal history-type history.  Every story about Obama's behavior must be footnoted with a mention of the media's role.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at October 03, 2012 12:52 PM (X/+QT)

63 This is what happens when you can keep your ideals off of my vagina.

**
Go Obama!!

WhoooHooo!!


Posted by: S. Flook at October 03, 2012 12:52 PM (eavT+)

64 I mean if this doesn't signal that these fuckers don't really give a shit nothing will.

This fuck face Graham lays out the bill of particulars but will do nothing about it.

Get on the floor of the Senate every fucking day shit head and take this fucking President to the woodshed.

EVERY FUCKING DAY!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at October 03, 2012 12:52 PM (06lNq)

65 As you probably heard, Michelle Obama has never been more proud of her country than when her husband "worked around" Congress and the Constitution he swore to defend. He had his fingers crossed.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at October 03, 2012 12:52 PM (QupBk)

66 ... be cute about it and say "it's Ok, I'll direct congress to pay for your SEC indecency fines."

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 03, 2012 12:53 PM (hrAg/)

67 How about it, bitch? Are you okay with that? Or does bringing it up make me look ugly? Oh, poop on you, Whitey von Whiteypants. Now I'm gonna vote for Obama and you can't stop me. *flounces indignantly to the bathroom*

Posted by: Ann Althouse at October 03, 2012 12:53 PM (AZGON)

68 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 03, 2012 12:53 PM (8y9MW)

69

Why aren't the Republicans sending their own letter telling these contractors that if they violate the law, they will be held accountable. No one is above the law, including the President.

Posted by: Wisrich at October 03, 2012 12:53 PM (hdpay)

70 If we are not under the Rule of Law, we are under the Rule of Men. Rule of Empathy It was officially confirmed in 2009. One of my undergrad majors was history, I know how that story ends. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD the revelator at October 03, 2012 04:50 PM (VtjlW) Get ready because the Rule of Empathy is even worse than the Rule of Men.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 12:54 PM (X3lox)

71 Or... I could not read the content of ace's post *grins* It is against the Moron Way to read the posts. You know that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD the revelator at October 03, 2012 12:54 PM (VtjlW)

72 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 03, 2012 04:50 PM (2GOU1) Althouse has only ever been an attention whore.

Posted by: HtP at October 03, 2012 12:54 PM (aY3VP)

73 Get ready because the Rule of Empathy is even worse than the Rule of Men. Cf., The Ministry of Love.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows poor people don't know how to dress themselves at October 03, 2012 12:54 PM (AZGON)

74 The President does not have the authority, he does not have the money!

Where is the money going to come from?

We are existing on continuing resolutions there is no new budget, hasn't been for three fucking years.

Is the President going to compel Congress to pay for this shit.

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at October 03, 2012 12:55 PM (06lNq)

75 This may be the worst thing Obama has done as president, and that's saying a lot.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 03, 2012 12:55 PM (0muQ0)

76

One has to wonder what the press and Dem congresscritters are thinking.

 

Unless you understand this is the last stand in their mind, that if Obama wins they will be in charge when it doesn't matter anymore.

 

I didn't believe it when I heard it during the 90's re; Clinton but I do now.

 

These people, I know Racist, are going for broke.

They know if they win the opposition will fade away. Law abiding people don't take to the streets.

 

A second Obama term will put the nails in the coffin of this country. It will become something completely different.

 

More benign, less free, less consequential, less prosperous and much, much more divided.

 

One thing they never seem to think about is what the world will become if a nation of 300 million people is reduced to just "another country".

 

The size and cosequences of what they wish for has never been seen in the history of the world and the dominoes will fall very, very quickly.

Posted by: Finn McCool at October 03, 2012 12:55 PM (R/8dI)

77 Tyranny and fascism on display. I think the lesson we can draw, (in f'n real time which pisses me off), is that this kind of behavior is only possible with a willing media. Posted by: Tonic Dog at October 03, 2012 04:52 PM (X/+QT) Actually, it's Congress' job to stop this, or to just try to stop this.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 12:55 PM (X3lox)

78 Get ready because the Rule of Empathy is even worse than the Rule of Men.Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 04:54 PM (X3lox)

But the Rule of Gingers is benign!

....

OK, some gingers.

I swear, if Kate Upton dyes her hair auburn....I'll never leave my bunk

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 03, 2012 12:55 PM (sbV1u)

79 We are existing on continuing resolutions there is no new budget, hasn't been for three fucking years.

Is the President going to compel Congress to pay for this shit.

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at October 03, 2012 04:55 PM (06lNq)



 I'm with you. Sometimes I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone..

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 12:56 PM (9+ccr)

80 It seems pretty clear that all those laws against beating & sodomizing chickens are going to be repealed, so I'ma get back to business now.

Posted by: Choom Lord Soetoro at October 03, 2012 12:56 PM (o+Oe8)

81

Lindsey Graham: "...We are in danger of being no longer a rule of law nation. ItÂ’s a mini-coup."

 

Duh.

What was your first clue?

 

Barky uses "fighting words" to incite violence...for decades.

He is a master Agitator.

The clues were there. 

 

Barky became a Lawyer, in order to learn how best to circumvent our laws....not uphold them.

He uses 'race' as a cloaking device to destroy, that which he thinks should be destroyed.

 

If you look at everything that Barky has done...

The only conclusion that makes sense of it all, is that he wants to destroy this country.

That's what he meant, by "Fundamental Change".

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 12:56 PM (l5RhJ)

82 "Mini-Coup" is clearly racist.

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at October 03, 2012 12:57 PM (5Rurq)

83 If under-taxing the "rich" is tantamount to an increase in taxes on the middle class, as Biden and Obama say, then is not a federal grant to Solyndra also an increase in taxes on the middle class?

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 12:57 PM (jUytm)

84 It is against the Moron Way to read the posts. You know that. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD the revelator at October 03, 2012 04:54 PM (VtjlW) Hell, I don't even really read the comments anymore.

Posted by: ErikW at October 03, 2012 12:57 PM (8WDas)

85 Republic Maam.... but apparently you didn't keep it...

Posted by: Benjamin Franklin, shockin himself at October 03, 2012 12:57 PM (lZBBB)

86 Where is the money going to come from?
Posted by: General Woundwort at October 03, 2012 04:55 PM (06lNq)


I was wondering that very thing.  From his stash?

Posted by: huerfano at October 03, 2012 12:57 PM (bAGA/)

87 84 If under-taxing the "rich" is tantamount to an increase in taxes on the middle class, as Biden and Obama say, then is not a federal grant to Solyndra also an increase in taxes on the middle class? --- But... but... but... that's for The Greater Good~!

Posted by: President Barky at October 03, 2012 12:57 PM (e0xKF)

88 <That's what he meant, by "Fundamental Change".>

If someone burns down my house, my house has been fundamentally changed.

Posted by: Henry in Des Moines at October 03, 2012 12:57 PM (EuW9O)

89 Coup d'etat??  They go great with a sprightly Cabernet Sauvignon and a salty but sweet Gouda.

Posted by: dananjcon at October 03, 2012 12:58 PM (eavT+)

90 83 "Mini-Coup" is clearly racist.    
 

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at October 03, 2012 04:57 PM (5Rurq)

 

 

We concur!

Posted by: Mayor of Munchkin Land at October 03, 2012 12:58 PM (lZBBB)

91 Let's not get too carried away here.  My understanding is that the WARN act requires that 60 days notice be sent.  If no contracts are immediatedly cancelled when sequestration when it kicks on Jan 2, then there is no violation of the law.  When/if contracts are identified - if the contractors are given 60 days notice and they send out the notices, there is still no violation of the law.  Also, I read that - according to current regulations - those lawsuit costs can currently be submitted as contract termination costs - so no violation there either?    At least Lockheed stood up and pushed back on the WARN notices - let's look at the defense companies that agreed to not send out WARN notices without any assurances.

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 12:58 PM (RxLT6)

92 A second Obama term will put the nails in the coffin of this country. It will become something completely different. More benign, less free, less consequential, less prosperous and much, much more divided. One thing they never seem to think about is what the world will become if a nation of 300 million people is reduced to just "another country". Read that again, and again. Even a Republican win may be too late. And yes, we will bequeath slow impoverishment to the next generation. Baked in the cake.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows poor people don't know how to dress themselves at October 03, 2012 12:58 PM (AZGON)

93 Actually, it's Congress' job to stop this, or to just try to stop this. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 04:55 PM (X3lox) WHAT? *hiccup*

Posted by: John Boner at October 03, 2012 12:58 PM (9TTOe)

94

The size and cosequences of what they wish for has never been seen in the history of the world and the dominoes will fall very, very quickly.

The fuck you talkin' about?

Posted by: Turkish artillery officer at October 03, 2012 12:59 PM (O6q63)

95 29 "WTF is wrong with the media and liberals that they aren't upset about this. W.T.F. !!!!!!"
----
The best options I can think of is that they are idiots or they know of a secret plan to keep Obama in office in perpetuity. They may also think that, even if a Republican tried to do something as illegitimate as this, the media would be shrieking at eleventy for months on end about it, so there would be no way for a Republican to get away with it, so it won't come back to bite them in the ass.

Which is why I say that the only truly serious political consideration that needs to be debated is "When do we secede?". Everything else just seems like filler to me at this point.

Posted by: BS Inc. at October 03, 2012 12:59 PM (P2Ufm)

96 Conspiracy - bribery - RICO. Obama knows it's only illegal if you charge it. So why disappoint him?

Posted by: crazy at October 03, 2012 12:59 PM (DymQ2)

97 Gee Senator, howsabout you do something about this? After all, aren't the majority of you fuckin' pedophiles lawyers? What the FUCK are you waiting for RINO bastard?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at October 03, 2012 01:00 PM (Db61J)

98 83 "Mini-Coup" is clearly racist.
Posted by: Rachel Maddow at October 03, 2012 04:57 PM

Damn, and I was going to test drive one!

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 03, 2012 01:00 PM (wwsoB)

99 I just bought another 3 months worth of freezed dried meals to add to my stock.  I used to do this just as a kid-originated hobby and not as a serious end of civilization prepper.  Now I'm coming to the realization that the odds of actually having to use it in the future have gone up drastically since watching Omega Man as a kid.

Posted by: polynikes at October 03, 2012 01:00 PM (m2CN7)

100 Mini?

Posted by: Ken at October 03, 2012 01:00 PM (7yb9x)

101 Mt uncle Tony used to drive a Coup d'etat. That thing was HUGE...a real land yacht.

Posted by: dananjcon at October 03, 2012 01:01 PM (eavT+)

102 That word "tyranny" has gone out of style. It needs a comeback. Learn it, Lindsey. It means ruling without regard for the law, issuing edicts, decrees and ukases and backing it up with raw force. That's what we've got in the Executive Branch.

Posted by: Chipperoo at October 03, 2012 01:01 PM (6c62F)

103 since watching Omega Man as a kid. Posted by: polynikes at October 03, 2012 05:00 PM (m2CN7) I saw that too, the first time I saw boobies on film. Or was that Damnation ally?

Posted by: John Boner at October 03, 2012 01:02 PM (9TTOe)

104 The President does not have the authority, he does not have the money!

Where is the money going to come from?

We are existing on continuing resolutions there is no new budget, hasn't been for three fucking years.

Is the President going to compel Congress to pay for this shit.

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at October 03, 2012 04:55 PM (06lNq)



Um, why the hell do you think the Dems haven't passed a budget in 4 years?

Raise the debt ceiling and FUCK EVERYONE and their FUTURE!!!!!!

They are not accountable so they DON'T CARE.

Posted by: © Sponge at October 03, 2012 01:02 PM (UK9cE)

105 Doesn't Lockheed caving assume that Obama will still be in a position to give them a pass on their lawlessness after the election?  Shouldn't Romney pick up the phone and tell them that when he is in office they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and even if he does not win the Republicans will make sure Lockheed is held to account even if it takes several presidential elections before they are in power to do it?

Shouldn't the Republicans in the House and Senate also be holding up checks and new requisitions from these companies?

There are lots of ways to play this.  YOu could also include this in a commercial listing all of the ways Obama has violated and selectively enforced the laws.


Posted by: Seymour Butts at October 03, 2012 01:02 PM (qYvEa)

106

92 Let's not get too carried away here. My understanding is that the WARN act requires that 60 days notice be sent. If no contracts are immediatedly cancelled when sequestration when it kicks on Jan 2, then there is no violation of the law.

 

----------

 

When contracts are not being 'Renewed'....that is essentially a 'Cancellation'.

 

The O-administration is using thin legalese to deny the 'cancellations'.

And so are you.

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 01:02 PM (l5RhJ)

107 Stupid sock.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 03, 2012 01:02 PM (9TTOe)

108 Get ready because the Rule of Empathy is even worse than the Rule of Men.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 04:54 PM (X3lox)


Boy, let me tell you...

Posted by: Louis XVI at October 03, 2012 01:03 PM (RD7QR)

109 *exclusive* We have just acquired the edited parts of Ace's previous post on advice to Mitt Romney. Hello, I'm Mitt Romney. I rarely wear underwear, but when I do it is something exotic. And this: Well, I'm not the world's most passionate guy But when I looked in her eyes well I almost fell for my Lola L-L-Lola, L-L-Lola Lola, L-L-Lola, L-L-Lola

Posted by: scoop soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:03 PM (jUytm)

110

The only good  to come from this election so far is that George Orwell is back.

 

I missed you, ya fuckin degenerate.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 03, 2012 01:04 PM (2GOU1)

111 This is actually related - now this is the type of political stunt I love - http://bit.ly/P9tOYB Live by your own rules, bitches, see how you like them.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD the revelator at October 03, 2012 01:04 PM (VtjlW)

112
Wait, Graham's not up for re-election this year, is he? Why is he pretending to be a conservative?
Posted by: mediumheadboy





Lockheed Aeronautics - Global Sustainment
400 Brookfield Parkway, Greenville, SC 29607

1,300 Employees

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 03, 2012 01:04 PM (kdS6q)

113 Fuck the traitor Obama. Illegally bribing defense companies to violate federal law. Promising to pay their fines and penalties. Fucking lawless tyrant.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 03, 2012 01:05 PM (ZPrif)

114

Congress has been giving its power to the executive agencies for a long time.  Now Congress is butthurt? They did this on purpose.

Posted by: Invictus at October 03, 2012 01:05 PM (OQpzc)

115 The rule of law? There's an EO for that:
 
But it has been a long time since anyone has seriously tried to turn the United States in a National Socialist direction. Which is what Barack Obama seems to be doing. Consider his 983 executive orders, compared with George W. BushÂ’s 63.
 
http://tinyurl.com/9aq9726 (powerline link, I added bolding)

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 03, 2012 01:05 PM (ccXZP)

116 Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 04:58 PM (RxLT6)

Also since not all contracts end on Jan 2, and if their funding has been obligated, then the sequestration cutoff date is tied to the existing contract termination date, thus no notice need be sent.

Posted by: Hrothgar (Dagny Aficionado ) at October 03, 2012 01:05 PM (Cnqmv)

117 @106

How can the GOP not force the Donks to submit a budget?

What the hell are they doing?


Posted by: General Woundwort at October 03, 2012 01:06 PM (06lNq)

118 Lindsey, you stupid fuck. Your lack of any fucking spine is part of the problem and none of the solution.

Posted by: maddogg at October 03, 2012 01:06 PM (OlN4e)

119 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD the revelator at October 03, 2012 05:04 PM (VtjlW) Some for me, not for thee. Excellent.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 03, 2012 01:06 PM (9TTOe)

120 The dirtbag Democrats. Dirtbag Democrats has a nice ring to it. Kinda like racist Republicans. It's a nice slur you can use in everyday conversation. Obama and the Dirtbag Democrats.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 03, 2012 01:06 PM (ZPrif)

121

@97 I'm not sure it will be all that slow....

 

Imagine the greatest consumption machine in recorded history grinding to a halt. It may be relatively slow but not in historical terms.

 

Our government may borrow from everyone and their second cousin to stay afloat but the US economy still drives the world.

 

What happens when that stops?

 

I don't think it will take long at all. Markets, especiallly internationally, are driven by what amounts to perception.

 

This will be ugly beyond belief.

 

A generation should see it done.

 

My unborn grandchildren will live in a very different and much worse world.

Posted by: Finn McCool at October 03, 2012 01:07 PM (R/8dI)

122 Obama and the Dirtbag Democrats. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 03, 2012 05:06 PM (ZPrif) Sounds like a bar band.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 03, 2012 01:07 PM (9TTOe)

123 Why pass a budget when the Republicans will continually agree to CR's (Continuing Resolutions) spending bills? The Democrats get what they want. The Republicans aren't called bad names. The taxpayers get screwed. Everyone is happy.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:08 PM (jUytm)

124 I am about to leave for work. I will do 75 on I-81 in the 60 zone. When stopped I will explain that the speed limit might be changed in the future so that I do not have to comply with it now. I am sure that will work, right?

Posted by: RKinRoanoke at October 03, 2012 01:08 PM (DOEXI)

125 A. This is Harry Reid's fault. He doesn't care. He's in cahoots. The Senate will not do anything to stop Obama, therefore, there's nothing that can be done to punish him. B. These can be fought piece by piece in court by affected parties,states. C. I look forward Sec. Human Services Santorum and Dept of EPA head Sara Palin. D. It doesn't seem like GOP leadership has cared that much anyway.

Posted by: joeindc44 found the last comment to be vile, particularly vile at October 03, 2012 01:08 PM (QxSug)

126 Well, at least Lindsay mentioned it.

Now, he won't be doing a fucking thing about the lawless administration in the White House that is wiping it's collective ASS with the constitution daily.

But he mentioned it.

Posted by: © Sponge at October 03, 2012 01:08 PM (UK9cE)

127 Romney could play hardball and say that any company that follows Obama's lawless waiver will be prosecuted in a Romney administration.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 03, 2012 01:09 PM (pmDdf)

128 WHY WAS OBAMA‘S AUDIO BOOK VERSION OF ’DREAMS FROM MY FATHER’ PURGED OF ALL REFERENCES TO COMMUNIST MENTOR? http://tinyurl.com/97y2k6o

Posted by: Evilpens at October 03, 2012 01:09 PM (ck76k)

129 Dirtbag Democrats has a nice ring to it. Nice, but I'm sticking with Red Rat Commie Bastards. It's served me well for decades.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at October 03, 2012 01:09 PM (QupBk)

130 OT
The police state comes to cafeteria garbage cans in Florida.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/8z547p2

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 03, 2012 01:10 PM (UYZgt)

131 I missed you, ya fuckin degenerate. I'm not always angry, but when I am, I'm bourbon angry. Stay thirsty, my fake internet friends.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows poor people don't know how to dress themselves at October 03, 2012 01:10 PM (AZGON)

132 Imagine the greatest consumption machine in recorded history grinding to a halt. It may be relatively slow but not in historical terms. Hell, remember all the YouTube videos posted during Cash for Clunkers of engines running until they seize because the Dems required them to be destroyed? It's pretty much *the* visual metaphor for the entire Obama administration.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 03, 2012 01:10 PM (B/VB5)

133 Gramnesty seems surprised...

Posted by: Major _____ de Coverly at October 03, 2012 01:10 PM (Dll6b)

134 It sure would be nice if the press was really interested in big juicy stories and fighting corruption and abuse of power huh? A press that is as crusading as the movies and TV keeps telling us they are, a press that's as opposed to those in power and scummy politicians as they insist and their profs say they are.
Its just not possible to imagine a country where we had a truly neutral, objective press that aggressively went after corruption and abuse of power no matter who it hurt or what party benefitted.

Posted by: Christopher taylor at October 03, 2012 01:11 PM (r4wIV)

135
108 When contracts are not being 'Renewed'....that is essentially a 'Cancellation'.

The O-administration is using thin legalese to deny the 'cancellations'.
And so are you.

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 05:02 PM (l5RhJ)

----------

I doubt that many contracts are up for renewal - they'll be issuing contract mods to remove work or they'll be terminating contracts and paying termination costs.  If - and this is a big if - the sequestration actually goes through.  Do you think Romney is going to let those defense cuts take effect?

The bottom line is the government made assurances that no cuts would take effect on Jan 2 - that it would be a few months before any cuts would occur and the contractors would have time to send out the WARN notices.  Lockheed pushed back and said - hey, we'll still liable for the lawsuit costs if you do decide to do something on Jan 2.  The government then said - well, if that's the case, we'll cover the lawsuit costs as a part of the termination costs.

What's lockheed supposed to do at point?  Say you're a liar and never get another contract while Obama is in office again?  It's not like the Obama admin hasn't proven to be a bunch of vindictive a-holes.

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 01:11 PM (RxLT6)

136 Yeah, where is the money coming from to pay for this shit? Congress, to my knowledge, hasn't allocated money for a slush fund so what gives?

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 03, 2012 01:11 PM (0muQ0)

137

Sounds like a bar band.

They would play a couple songs from their iPod, then make you buy champagne until your credit card was declined.

Posted by: fluffy at October 03, 2012 01:12 PM (O6q63)

138 This is all bullshit because if and when Romney is elected President what is the first thing the Donks are going to demand?

FOR ROMNEY TO PROPOSE A BUDGET!


THESE MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at October 03, 2012 01:12 PM (06lNq)

139 In the civilian world we call that evading the law and patently illegal. It usually comes with a jail term or probation. That usually ends in being called a felon.

But Obama does it and suddenly he's a fucking magical unicorn- come to save the world from Godzilla and Roldan with skittles shooting out of his ass for all.

We have a Constitution and laws for a reason. Why doesn't Lindsey and that big pussy who should have his man-card revoked Boehner sue the Executive Branch and agencies involved. Fucking whining baby-bitches.

Do something. Don't just cry about it.

Posted by: EXILE at October 03, 2012 01:13 PM (GGCsk)

140 >>>because his proposed tax cuts were likely to become law, there was no need for the existing rates to be paid

I hope Willard is taking notes.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at October 03, 2012 01:13 PM (SDkq3)

141

 

Yeah, where is the money coming from to pay for this shit? Congress, to my knowledge, hasn't allocated money for a slush fund so what gives?

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 03, 2012 05:11 PM (0muQ0)

 

I'll pay for it out of my stash.  Hey, want a free phone?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at October 03, 2012 01:13 PM (ggRof)

142 How can the GOP not force the Donks to submit a budget? What the hell are they doing? Posted by: General Woundwort at October 03, 2012 05:06 PM (06lNq) Yep. the Weeping Boner has been Barky and the Dems' biggest ally in the House. Boner is a total piece of dog shit who should have been tossed from the leadership in early 2011. He has caved on everything and gotten NOTHING in return. Less than nothing, if we include this totally retarded sequestering that we all warned about when we first heard of this asinine, suicidal "compromise". The Weeping Boner needs to be tarred and feathered ... weekly, the fucker.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 01:15 PM (X3lox)

143 OT but the more one hears about it, the more it seems like ambassador Stevens was Obama's Mary Jo Kopechne.

Posted by: biff at October 03, 2012 01:15 PM (27ZDF)

144 Sorry - is there some browser that acutally accepts whitespace and line feeds with this editor??   IE doesn't seem to do it.

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 01:15 PM (RxLT6)

145 Whether the contracts will be cancelled or not requiring the 60 day notice is not the issue.  The issue is that the Obama administration advised Lockheed that if they were, that they did not need to worry violating the law and  about the fines because the government would pay it.  That is the issue.

Posted by: polynikes at October 03, 2012 01:15 PM (m2CN7)

146 We are very close to the point where the "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same" clause supersedes the "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States" clause of The Oath.

Posted by: Mannie at October 03, 2012 01:15 PM (QY3oj)

147 On Medved today, Obama's strategy is to lock up the non-white vote.  He's currently at 80% of the combined black and Hispanic votes, thus largely eliminating the need to appeal to whites.

Yeah, we're the racists.

Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 01:15 PM (6TB1Z)

148 OT but I'd rather watch Modern Family than a debate.

Posted by: logprof at October 03, 2012 01:16 PM (V/U0X)

149 How can the GOP not force the Donks to submit a budget?
How can they force it to happen? The House has passed a couple but the Senate just refuses to even look at it and Reid has all the power he needs. Its not like you can filibuster not doing something.

Posted by: Christopher taylor at October 03, 2012 01:16 PM (r4wIV)

150 I'll pay for it out of my stash. Those government stashes can be huge. Holder just bought a $150M prison with his.

Posted by: Scobface at October 03, 2012 01:17 PM (IoNBC)

151 149 On Medved today, Obama's strategy is to lock up the non-white vote. He's currently at 80% of the combined black and Hispanic votes, thus largely eliminating the need to appeal to whites.

Yeah, we're the racists.

 And does obama actually have a 50 point lead with Hispanics/

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 01:17 PM (9+ccr)

152 Where's  yo  dollah?!  Makes  yo  hollah!   Where  my  bamaphone?!

Posted by: Honey Boo Boo Blackcent at October 03, 2012 01:17 PM (wIgpo)

153

137, 108....It's not like the Obama admin hasn't proven to be a bunch of vindictive a-holes.

 

Bottom line...

They are desperate to postpone any layoffs...until after the election.

 

That's why they issued all those Obamacare Waivers.

Same thing --- breaking the law, and cloaking it with legalese.

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 01:17 PM (l5RhJ)

154 And here's some advice for Moochele. How about drinking a nice cup of STFU?

It's Harry Reid and the Senate that has been holding everything up. Look at all the bills the House has passed and that Reid has not acted on.

Oh those, says the big fat ass Mooch?

Yeah, because Obama and Reid are coordinating this. Reid's stalling provides cover for the Presidents illegal actions and the stupidity that flows from that cows mouth.

And they think the fawning rubers won't notice and vote with their body parts?

I've got a body part I am going to vote with....

Posted by: EXILE at October 03, 2012 01:17 PM (GGCsk)

155 145 OT but the more one hears about it, the more it seems like ambassador Stevens was Obama's Mary Jo Kopechne. Posted by: biff at October 03, 2012 05:15 PM (27ZDF) --Before there was throwing under the bus, there was leaving in the canal.

Posted by: logprof at October 03, 2012 01:17 PM (V/U0X)

156 Those government stashes can be huge. Holder just bought a $150M prison with his. Posted by: Scobface at October 03, 2012 05:17 PM (IoNBC) Well, I always wanted to meet you guys and dolls in person.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 03, 2012 01:18 PM (9TTOe)

157
How can the GOP not force the Donks to submit a budget?
What the hell are they doing?

Posted by: General Woundwort





Oh dear, you seem ever so upset!

Here, have some flood insurance and a student loan. Or maybe you would like a Post Office named after you?

Posted by: The Congressional Republicans

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 03, 2012 01:18 PM (kdS6q)

158

CHOO-CHOO!!

 

CHOO-CHOO!!

Posted by: Choo-Choo Joe Biden at October 03, 2012 01:18 PM (F6KtL)

159 Medved said that today? It's the 80/40 plan. 80% non-whites + 40% whites = Obama win.

Posted by: soothsayer already said it at October 03, 2012 01:18 PM (jUytm)

160 The next R administration should claw back all the illegally spent dollars from the bureaucrats who spent them (after firing them, of course). Including Obama in that. He might think that he's got a sweet life lined up making $250K per speech, but he'll have to do a lot of yapping to pay back the $8B in funds he illegally used to delay the impact of OCare on Medicare Advantage until after the election.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at October 03, 2012 01:18 PM (nZvGM)

161 Sorry - is there some browser that acutally accepts whitespace and line feeds with this editor?? IE doesn't seem to do it. Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 05:15 PM (RxLT6) Firefox works fine, but you can try to put in [br] for manual linebreaks with IE. Or [br /] ... I forget if you have to close the unitag.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 01:19 PM (X3lox)

162 O/T - This is a big deal.  Rasmussen Party ID poll for September confirms that Republicans have a significant advantage.  The jaw dropping August number was not an outlier.

I have a write up on my blog.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 03, 2012 01:19 PM (qigku)

163 if and when Romney is elected President what is the first thing the Donks are going to demand?

And the bitch of it is that Romney will be ready and have a fully formed plan.  Bite me, Dems.

Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 01:20 PM (6TB1Z)

164

Sorry - is there some browser that acutally accepts whitespace and line feeds with this editor??

Use [ br ] for line feed. It is symbolic of our uphill struggle against the violence inherent in the system.

Posted by: fluffy at October 03, 2012 01:20 PM (O6q63)

165 So what else is new?

Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2012 01:20 PM (NlCP0)

166 155 - Oh, agreed.  But as polynikes right points out - it's a _willingness_ to break the law.  My point was that no laws have been broken yet - or may ever be broken in respect to the WARN notices.

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 01:20 PM (RxLT6)

167 Obama will know some conversational Spanish before the election.

Posted by: Henry in Des Moines at October 03, 2012 01:20 PM (EuW9O)

168 You think they bought that 165 million dollar prison to transfer the GITMO prisoners?  Remember when the plan to transfer them to Illinois was leaked in 2009 to see how it would play out with the public?

Posted by: polynikes at October 03, 2012 01:20 PM (m2CN7)

169

Posted by: fluffy at October 03, 2012 05:20 PM (O6q63)

 

Thanks fluffy!!

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 01:21 PM (RxLT6)

170 I'd like to make a music vid with an Obama lookalike. ♪ Hey, big spender... Scene: Obama in a tuxedo, wearing a big smile, walking around the slums of a big city, tossing Food Stamp coupons at everyone he sees as if they c-notes.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:21 PM (jUytm)

171 Wish somebody would mini-coup me...

Posted by: Sandra Fluke-Me at October 03, 2012 01:22 PM (F6KtL)

172 Ugh, I can't even see Bettman or Fehr on the TV without getting nauseated.

Posted by: logprof at October 03, 2012 01:22 PM (V/U0X)

173 I have a Mini Coupe.  I love it.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 03, 2012 01:22 PM (qigku)

174 The juxtaposition of Lindsay Graham with an article about butt-chugging is a bit too much for me to handle.

Posted by: jakeman at October 03, 2012 01:22 PM (96M6e)

175 And so we do...what, exactly, about this?

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at October 03, 2012 01:22 PM (GBXon)

176 With this new average, Romney is leading in the RCP average by 3.9%! That is why the trolls are here to despress R turnout because they are are BURNT TOAST & THEY KNOW IT

Posted by: Evilpens at October 03, 2012 01:22 PM (ck76k)

177 How can they force it to happen? The House has passed a couple but the Senate just refuses to even look at it and Reid has all the power he needs. Its not like you can filibuster not doing something. Posted by: Christopher taylor at October 03, 2012 05:16 PM (r4wIV) Then the House needed to say that they wouldn't okay any continuing resolutions or debt ceiling increases and DEMANDED a budget. Or ... the House could have said that they would only sign on for lifting the debt limit if a total repeal of ObamaScare was attached to it. Stuff like that. Ultimately, the House holds the purse strings and it is the House's job to keep the finances in order. If the Senate refuses to pass a budget and shuts down the feral government, then, so be it. Down she goes. But, that's all ancient history, now.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 01:23 PM (X3lox)

178

Thanks fluffy!!

You're welcome.

Posted by: fluffy at October 03, 2012 01:23 PM (O6q63)

179 Any evidence this "offer" was made to anyone except Lockheed? They're not exactly a free-standing enterprise at the moment, depending on a half-assed joint venture with EADS, which is about to merge on uncertain terms with BAE.

Pulling one major government program would just about put them under. I suspect they've been singled out for bullying because they're vulnerable. And if they take the deal, they're stuck in Obama Camp forever.

Posted by: comatus at October 03, 2012 01:23 PM (qaVK+)

180 170 You think they bought that 165 million dollar prison to transfer the GITMO prisoners? Remember when the plan to transfer them to Illinois was leaked in 2009to see how it would play outwith the public?

Posted by: polynikes at October 03, 2012 05:20 PM (m2CN7)


  So if they aren't going to put the gitmo inmates in there who are they going to put in?...Oh...,never mind.'' stocks the  safe house  with provisions...

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 01:23 PM (9+ccr)

181 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 05:19 PM (X3lox)

Thanks - using Firefox now. 

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 01:24 PM (RxLT6)

182 How can the GOP not force the Donks to submit a budget?

How?  Make SCOTUS order them to produce one?

Obama response would just be: "how many tank divisions does the Supreme Court have again?  Refresh my memory"

Once you've crossed the line and decided to ignore the law completely, pieces of paper won't enforce themselves.  The legislative and judiciary have no enforcement staff -- that resides with the executive.

This is perhaps a flaw in the design.  The framers never anticipated a president who would be totally lawless.


Posted by: @PurpAv at October 03, 2012 01:24 PM (2rqDl)

183 My point was that no laws have been broken yet - or may ever be broken in respect to the WARN notices. Wrong answer. http://tinyurl.com/9k42c3j

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at October 03, 2012 01:24 PM (GBXon)

184 It takes a serious cocksucker like 0bama to make Linzee Graham appealing to our team, but damn if he didn't pull it off.

Posted by: logprof at October 03, 2012 01:24 PM (V/U0X)

185 I bet Obama pronounces coup as coop.  You have to assume so since corps is corpse and o-RI-on is o-ri-On.   

Posted by: polynikes at October 03, 2012 01:24 PM (m2CN7)

186 146 Sorry - is there some browser that acutally accepts whitespace and line feeds with this editor?? IE doesn't seem to do it.

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 05:15 PM (RxLT6)

 

Turn on compatibility mode in IE.  It will allow you to put in whitespace.  Just double space it.

Posted by: buzzion - Free Kratos at October 03, 2012 01:24 PM (GULKT)

187 I think I ran over a mini-coup once in my Tahoe.............but, I'm not sure.

Posted by: Not and Artist at October 03, 2012 01:24 PM (uRumV)

188 162 The next R administration should claw back all the illegally spent dollars from the bureaucrats who spent them (after firing them, of course). Including Obama in that. He might think that he's got a sweet life lined up making $250K per speech, but he'll have to do a lot of yapping to pay back the $8B in funds he illegally used to delay the impact of OCare on Medicare Advantage until after the election.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at October 03, 2012 05:18 PM (nZvGM)

 

 

There's where you err, my friend.  There's not going to be a future for us.  Many people really seem to think this is just a Carter on steroids era, and that we'll get a Reagan to straighten this all out.  Four more years of al-obama and it's all over...completely.  Even if we somehow manage to survive long enough to elect a Conservative President, he'll have to contend with a Supreme Court that consists of at least 3 more al-obama appointees.  That's a game-over scenario.  I really believe that it all hinges on tonight.  This is really damn scary.  If Romney doesn't make his case tonight, the battle is over.  The other two debates won't matter.  The razor thin segment of the population Romney needs to win will form their opinion tonight.  This is it folks.

Posted by: Havedash at October 03, 2012 01:25 PM (ToMJU)

189 Can we please stop with the Boehner and general GOP criticism before the election? You aren't helping. He may not be perfect, but he's probably doing what he thinks is best to further our cause prior to the election.

Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 01:25 PM (6TB1Z)

190   ¿Donde es el ...?    How do I say male whorehouse in Spanstrian?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at October 03, 2012 01:25 PM (ggRof)

191 The Democrat party is a RICO. This administration is far and away the most criminal in the history of the United States. If ANYONE could hold them accountable, the Obamastration would never see sky without bars in the way again. You wanna know WTF is wrong? Utter gutter corruption form tip to toe, that's what's wrong, and the MFM and pretty much the entirety of DC is part of it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 03, 2012 01:26 PM (bxiXv)

192 189 I think I ran over a mini-coup once in my Tahoe.............but, I'm not sure. Posted by: Not and Artist at October 03, 2012 05:24 PM (uRumV) Send me pics and I'll buy you a six of spotted cow for every one you crush.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 03, 2012 01:26 PM (9TTOe)

193

146  Sorry - is there some browser that acutally accepts whitespace and line feeds with this editor?? IE doesn't seem to do it.

 

It's this site, lymond.

It is...'minimalist'.

And spaces between individual words get eaten too, randomly.

 

For line spaces, try doing a 'spacebar' + an 'enter'...to create a space between lines.

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 01:26 PM (l5RhJ)

194 The razor thin segment of the population Romney needs to win will form their opinion tonight. This is it folks. Posted by: Havedash at October 03, 2012 05:25 PM (ToMJU) --Shit, now I'm genuinely scared to watch. I don't think I will unless I have some whiskey.

Posted by: logprof at October 03, 2012 01:27 PM (V/U0X)

195 Ugh, I can't even see Bettman or Fehr on the TV without getting nauseated.

Posted by: logprof at October 03, 2012 05:22 PM (V/U0X)



Fuck those two AND the horse they rode in on.

I don't bleed any sport, but hockey was my favorite.  They're ruining it for everyone.

Posted by: © Sponge at October 03, 2012 01:28 PM (UK9cE)

196 We are very close to the point where the "support
and defend the Constitution of the United States against all
enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and
allegiance to the same" clause supersedes the "I will obey the orders of the
President of the United States" clause of The Oath.

Posted by: Mannie at October 03, 2012 05:15 PM (QY3oj)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

When they wrote that oath (of which I've taken) no one ever dreamed that the voting public would elect a tyrant for president.

 

We are a lawless nation right now.  This is what anarchy tastes like.  Suck on it, you fucking  dems and  Paulbots.

Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2012 01:28 PM (NlCP0)

197 191 Can we please stop with the Boehner and general GOP criticism before the election? You aren't helping. He may not be perfect, but he's probably doing what he thinks is best to further our cause prior to the election. Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 05:25 PM (6TB1Z) Hey, some people just cannot eat an entire shit sandwich without at least pointing it out. You may have to learn to live with that. Alternatively, maybe we could try to find a way to stop serving shit sandwiches. Note to self, check next TEA Party meeting...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 03, 2012 01:28 PM (bxiXv)

198 196 The razor thin segment of the population Romney needs to win will form their opinion tonight. This is it folks.

Posted by: Havedash at October 03, 2012 05:25 PM (ToMJU)

--Shit, now I'm genuinely scared to watch. I don't think I will unless I have some whiskey.

Posted by: logprof at October 03, 2012 05:27 PM (V/U0X)

 If they watch at all. Most probably won't but will turn instead to the MSM for analysis.That's what scares me..

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 01:28 PM (9+ccr)

199 Try, just try to imagine the stuff he will do in a second term. And he is unimpeachable.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at October 03, 2012 01:28 PM (PH+2B)

200 O/T, I just scanned through a montage of Kristan Stewart Photos and I want to break all sodomy laws with her. Over and over again. Damn is that kid built.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 03, 2012 01:29 PM (9TTOe)

201 Any evidence this "offer" was made to anyone except Lockheed?

That's a good question.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 01:29 PM (/kI1Q)

202

Lindsey Graham said something?  Who gives a fuck.  It isn't as though he won't be sucking Bill's dick next time he's in town.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 03, 2012 01:29 PM (wUFaM)

203

Posted by: Havedash at October 03, 2012 05:25 PM (ToMJU)   I hope you're not correct, but my fear is that you are.

Posted by: Infidel at October 03, 2012 01:29 PM (O/fK8)

204 177 And so we do...what, exactly, about this? Posted by: Brother Cavil presents

It almost always comes down to the willingness of the oppressed to use force, doesn't it?  Eternal verities and all.

Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 01:29 PM (6TB1Z)

205 I apologize if this has been axed elsewhere, but is there a LiveBlog! on tonight's festivities? Is there a betting pool on strawmen, um/ah/errs, and lemmebeclears?

Posted by: jakeman at October 03, 2012 01:30 PM (96M6e)

206 AIGH!  Sorrry! 

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 01:30 PM (/kI1Q)

207 #196 This is why I have already finished a large glass of Merlot.  

Mitt is pretty good and is wicked smart,  but it is a terrible thing to have to stand in the presence of Evil.

I am praying St. Michael's prayer and suggest all do the same or whatever seems appropriate to your faith.

Posted by: Miss Marple at October 03, 2012 01:30 PM (GoIUi)

208 207 I apologize if this has been axed elsewhere, but is there a LiveBlog! on tonight's festivities? Is there a betting pool on strawmen, um/ah/errs, and lemmebeclears? Posted by: jakeman at October 03, 2012 05:30 PM (96M6e) Yeah. And where are the drinking game rules?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 03, 2012 01:30 PM (9TTOe)

209 176 The juxtaposition of Lindsay Graham with an article about butt-chugging is a bit too much for me to handle.
Posted by: jakeman at October 03, 2012 05:22 PM (96M6e)

You need to literally gird your loins

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 03, 2012 01:30 PM (vjyZP)

210 202 O/T, I just scanned through a montage of Kristan Stewart Photos and I want to break all sodomy laws with her. Over and over again. Damn is that kid built.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 03, 2012 05:29 PM (9TTOe)

 

You'd get more of an emotional reaction fucking a blow up doll.

Posted by: buzzion - Free Kratos at October 03, 2012 01:31 PM (GULKT)

211 Hey, some people just cannot eat an entire shit sandwich without at least pointing it out. You may have to learn to live with that.

Your virtue is noted.

Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 01:31 PM (6TB1Z)

212 There'll be no more liveblogging... until morale improves.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:31 PM (jUytm)

213 For what it's worth, despite weaknesses, Boehner has done some good work as well as surrendering. And he has to get anything he wants past the filter of the press, and he doesn't know how. I actually like Issa, who has done even more good work, but sometimes it seems like the plan is to drag everything along as far as possible - which we can't afford. Hell, I honestly don't know if it's already too late. We absolutely need a massive political reform movement and I'm not sure something like that is actually possible at this point. I sure hope so. But we sure as Hell need to try.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 03, 2012 01:31 PM (bxiXv)

214
It's this site, lymond.

It is...'minimalist'.

Posted by: wheatie





It does have a certain austere Zen-like beauty....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 03, 2012 01:31 PM (kdS6q)

215 --Shit, now I'm genuinely scared to watch. I don't think I will unless I have some whiskey.

Unless?  I'm unfamiliar with this concept that a choice exists to not have whiskey.  People do that?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 03, 2012 01:31 PM (SY2Kh)

216 Unless? I'm unfamiliar with this concept that a choice exists to not have whiskey. People do that? Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 03, 2012 05:31 PM (SY2Kh) No shit, I've been drunk for three years.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 03, 2012 01:32 PM (9TTOe)

217 Mitt is pretty good and is wicked smart, but it is a terrible thing to have to stand in the presence of Evil.

I am praying St. Michael's prayer and suggest all do the same or whatever seems appropriate to your faith

Nicely put.

Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 01:32 PM (6TB1Z)

218 He may not be perfect, but he's probably doing what he thinks is best to further our cause prior to the election. Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 05:25 PM (6TB1Z) No, he's not. He's a total piece of shit. And you are going to have to come to grips with the fact that this is part and parcel of the budget debate. When people ask how we could have gone without a budget even with a GOP House, what do you think you're going to say? This is what happened. Don't like it? Talk to the Weeping Boner who "understands OWS". This has nothing to do with the fact that Barky needs to be removed from office and tried. If people are that clueless than I don't know what you think you are saving, anyway. America has a tyrannical, lawless retard at the helm. All else is inconsequential. Anyone who thinks this matters with regards to Barky has been a lost cause, anyway, who has no feeling or attachment to America.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 01:32 PM (X3lox)

219 Four more years of al-obama and it's all over...completely.

Obama/SkyNet  -- can anyone show me an substantive difference?

Posted by: @PurpAv at October 03, 2012 01:33 PM (2rqDl)

220 Your virtue is noted. Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 05:31 PM (6TB1Z) Oh, don't be such a whiner, especially when you're complaining about whining. It's so meta.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 03, 2012 01:33 PM (bxiXv)

221  I really believe that it all hinges on tonight. This is really damn scary. If Romney doesn't make his case tonight, the battle is over. The other two debates won't matter. The razor thin segment of the population Romney needs to win will form their opinion tonight. This is it folks.

Posted by: Havedash at October 03, 2012 05:25 PM (ToMJU)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

You're wrong.  The election doesn't hinge on this debate or any other.  The majority of people that are going to vote have already made up their minds.

 

The polls be damned, RR is going to win.

Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2012 01:33 PM (NlCP0)

222 202 O/T, I just scanned through a montage of Kristan Stewart Photos and I want to break all sodomy laws with her. Over and over again. Damn is that kid built. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 03, 2012 05:29 PM (9TTOe) --I don't care how hot she is, knowing that she happily slept with a married father of young children is too disgusting for me to stomach. There's a point where moral ugliness impinges on the physical attractiveness, which is why many Hollytards don't appeal to me.

Posted by: logprof at October 03, 2012 01:33 PM (V/U0X)

223 The razor thin segment of the population Romney needs to win will form their opinion tonight. This is it folks.
Posted by: Havedash at October 03, 2012 05:25 PM (ToMJU)
--Shit, now I'm genuinely scared to watch. I don't think I will unless I have some whiskey.
Posted by: logprof at October 03, 2012 05:27 PM (V/U0X)

My gut tells me of the 6 possible outcomes only one of 4 will happen.

1. Romney clearly wins but still goes on to lose the election.
2. Romney clearly wins and goes on to win the election.
3. The debate is a tie, and Romney goes on to lose.
4. The debate is a tie, and Romney goes on to win.
5. Obama clearly wins, but still goes on to lose the election.
6. Obama clearly wins, and goes on to win the election

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular! With Full Stomping Power! at October 03, 2012 01:33 PM (0q2P7)

224 Obama/SkyNet -- can anyone show me an substantive difference?

SkyNet's never belonged to a Chicago bathhouse?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 01:33 PM (/kI1Q)

225 *Please Please Please* Post at least two debate posts. One for the 1st half, and another for the 2nd half. Or else we'll have a scrolling nightmare and a lot of unhappy campers.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:34 PM (jUytm)

226 185 My point was that no laws have been broken yet - or may ever be broken in respect to the WARN notices.

Wrong answer.

http://tinyurl.com/9k42c3j

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at October 03, 2012 05:24 PM (GBXon)
---------------------

What laws does the link say were violated?  I don't see any.  Lockheed was trying to get info from the government on which programs on what time table were going to be cut.  Without that info, they were going to issue WARN notices to all employees 60 days prior to the Jan 2 start of sequestration. 

Your link lays out the fact the Lockheed was guaranteed that no cuts would take effect for months and they would still have time to comply with the law.

"The additional guidance offered important new information about the potential timing of DOD actions under sequestration, indicating that DOD anticipates no contract actions on or about 2 January, 2013, and that any action to adjust funding levels on contracts as a result of sequestration would likely not occur for several months after 2 Jan."

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 01:34 PM (RxLT6)

227 Me an' the cabinet were sitting around the Mini Cooper buttchugging solutions.  It seemed good at the time.

Posted by: Barryo Bomber at October 03, 2012 01:34 PM (0It32)

228 Oh, don't be such a whiner, especially when you're complaining about whining. It's so meta.

Deep

Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 01:34 PM (6TB1Z)

229 191 Can we please stop with the Boehner and general GOP criticism before the election? You aren't helping. He may not be perfect, but he's probably doing what he thinks is best to further our cause prior to the election.

Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 05:25 PM (6TB1Z)

 

 

The word "doing" is a verb which means action.  Remind me again what crying Boehner and his band of brothers are doing other than a few tempered nancy boy whimpers from time to time? 

Posted by: Havedash at October 03, 2012 01:34 PM (ToMJU)

230  207 I apologize if this has been axed elsewhere, but is there a LiveBlog! on tonight's festivities? Is there a betting pool on strawmen, um/ah/errs, and lemmebeclears?
Posted by: jakeman at October 03, 2012 05:30 PM (96M6e)

Yeah. And where are the drinking game rules?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 03, 2012 05:30 PM

 

For every 100 uhhs that Obama utters you have to drink. You will probably be drunk in 5 minutes

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 03, 2012 01:35 PM (nTgAI)

231 You'd get more of an emotional reaction fucking a blow up doll. Posted by: buzzion - Free Kratos at October 03, 2012 05:31 PM (GULKT) agreed

Posted by: palin steele at October 03, 2012 01:35 PM (V/U0X)

232

I just don't want the debate to be like the Ryder Cup since I am not watching the debate and did not watch the last day of the Ryder Cup.  Confident expectation that we would win but finding out that we stepped on our dick.

  

Posted by: polynikes at October 03, 2012 01:35 PM (m2CN7)

233 Remind me again what crying Boehner and his band of brothers are doing other than a few tempered nancy boy whimpers from time to time?

Trying to avoid giving anyone of the persuadable tards who might vote differently this time a reason not to?

Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 01:36 PM (6TB1Z)

234

216....It does have a certain austere Zen-like beauty....
 

Heh.

Yeah, it sort of does.

 

And at least it's not like that dreadful 'Disqus' system...which is owned by two Chinese guys, who store your complete comment history.

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 01:36 PM (l5RhJ)

235 I know Southpark already did a reverse-eating episode, but I have to imagine butt-chugging will be on their radar.

Posted by: jakeman at October 03, 2012 01:36 PM (96M6e)

236

Post at least two debate posts. One for the 1st half, and another for the 2nd half. Or else we'll have a scrolling nightmare and a lot of unhappy campers.

Posted by: soothsayer





3 minutes in and "500: Internal Server error"....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 03, 2012 01:36 PM (kdS6q)

237 >>>Obama/SkyNet -- can anyone show me an substantive difference?


Skynet was a capable leader, organizer, and military planner, making decisions quickly and decisively.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular! With Full Stomping Power! at October 03, 2012 01:37 PM (0q2P7)

238 Confound you, Pixy!!

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:37 PM (jUytm)

239 Thanks Dave for all that poll info!

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 03, 2012 01:37 PM (GvYeG)

240 Using Chrome, text is handled normally here.

Posted by: Scobface at October 03, 2012 01:38 PM (IoNBC)

241 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 03, 2012 01:38 PM (6o4Fb)

242 It's this site, lymond. It is...'minimalist'. Posted by: wheatie I've looked at the code for these pages. Trust me, there's nothing minimalist about it. Quite the opposite. "retarded" is the word you're looking for.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 01:38 PM (X3lox)

243 What laws does the link say were violated? I don't see any. Ummm...WARN? Which is law of the land? Which is the entire fracking point of the subject?!?

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at October 03, 2012 01:39 PM (GBXon)

244 Using Chrome, text is handled normally here.

Posted by: Scobface at October 03, 2012 05:38 PM (IoNBC)

 

Nothing is handled normally here

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 03, 2012 01:39 PM (nTgAI)

245 Trying to avoid giving anyone of the persuadable tards who might vote differently this time a reason not to? Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 05:36 PM (6TB1Z) If election season ever ended, that would almost make a kind of sense. It doesn't.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 03, 2012 01:39 PM (bxiXv)

246 Wait'll I unveil my new golf stimulus plan tonight. Lots of shovel-ready fairways, y'all!

Posted by: Baraka McShitwit at October 03, 2012 01:40 PM (V/U0X)

247 Lawyers built the system and then game the system.

Lawyers have nearly destroyed our republic, and they get paid for it. They always get paid.

Fast and Furious.

Posted by: 13times at October 03, 2012 01:40 PM (h6XiD)

248 Heh, from iowahawk: "Joe Biden" is an anagram for "I need job." Let's make that a reality next month. . . .

Posted by: logprof at October 03, 2012 01:40 PM (V/U0X)

249 I heard that all the debates will be broadcast in Tard-o-Vision, for the undecided and moderates.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:41 PM (jUytm)

250 And at least it's not like that dreadful 'Disqus' system...which is owned by two Chinese guys, who store your complete comment history.

And is blocked by my employer. 

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 01:41 PM (/kI1Q)

251

244....I've looked at the code for these pages. Trust me, there's nothing minimalist about it. Quite the opposite. "retarded" is the word you're looking for.

 

I won't argue with that...I'm sure you know more about it than I do.

 

But if you click on "Cherry Pi"....it calls itself a 'minimalist' system.

Heh.

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 01:42 PM (l5RhJ)

252 That Obama is so mean. And those damned Tea Partiers too. Nobody appreciates how hard you have it. Go ahead and cry....You know you want to. Go ahead and cry. Go ahead and cry. Go ahead and cry. Cry! Cry! Cry! Awwww, hell's yeah. Cry me a river! Now they'll feel bad...

Posted by: The Bourbon in Boehner's Belly at October 03, 2012 01:42 PM (54vf8)

253 Two Chinese Guys would be a great name for a band.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:42 PM (jUytm)

254 Off topic but check this shit out

http://tinyurl.com/9g2vnf5


Posted by: gulfkraken at October 03, 2012 01:43 PM (WBfjO)

255 245 What laws does the link say were violated? I don't see any.

Ummm...WARN? Which is law of the land? Which is the entire fracking point of the subject?!?

-----------


"WARN offers protection to workers, their families and communities by requiring employers to provide notice 60 days in advance of covered plant closings and covered mass layoffs. This notice must be provided to either affected workers or their representatives (e.g., a labor union); to the State dislocated worker unit; and to the appropriate unit of local government"



It's only a violation if notices aren't sent out 60 days prior.  If there's no contract actions on Jan 2 to notify about, then there's no violation of the law.

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 01:43 PM (RxLT6)

256 If election season ever ended, that would almost make a kind of sense.
It doesn't.

Just because Barry doesn't ever leave election season doesn't mean we don't. 

Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 01:43 PM (6TB1Z)

257 Trying to avoid giving anyone of the persuadable tards who might vote differently this time a reason not to?

Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 05:36 PM (6TB1Z)

 

 

So, in other words, hiding in a corner?   A Clint quote seems appropriate.  "Dying ain't much of a living, son".  I don't think the 2010 vote was to put a group of cowering pussies in power. 

Posted by: Havedash at October 03, 2012 01:45 PM (ToMJU)

258 There is only one rule: if it's been on Ace of Spades, it's off-limits because of racism. Now, Your Majesty, shall we discuss curtain patterns for your second and eternal term?

Posted by: The Moderators at October 03, 2012 01:45 PM (FcR7P)

259 O/T but this is getting a bit creepy from over at the Daily Caller: Obama and Romney to face real lie detector test during debate When Barack Obama and Mitt Romney face off for the first time at tonight’s presidential debate in Denver, they’ll also be taking a lie detector test. A spokesman for the group Americans for Limited Government told The Daily Caller on Wednesday they have contracted with a company to use new truth detecting technology to determine whether either candidate is lying during the debate. “For the first time, within a few hours of a political debate, the American people will know if the candidates are telling the truth, and better be able to judge what promises are real, and which ones are nothing more than political pandering,” Bill Wilson, president of Americans for Limited Government said.

Posted by: truth at October 03, 2012 01:45 PM (LpQbZ)

260 256 Off topic but check this shit out http://tinyurl.com/9g2vnf5 Posted by: gulfkraken at October 03, 2012 05:43 PM (WBfjO) --Is Capehart the bonesmuggler (NTTAWWT)?

Posted by: logprof at October 03, 2012 01:45 PM (V/U0X)

261 You know the presnit is in trouble when he's losing committed homo-leftists like Graham.

Posted by: Truman North at October 03, 2012 01:46 PM (+gfwN)

262 Posted by: The Jackhole at October 03, 2012 05:39 PM (nTgAI) Hee. Yeah, I just mean that you don't have to jump through hoops to get normal spacing or anything.

Posted by: Scobface at October 03, 2012 01:47 PM (IoNBC)

263 O/T but this is getting a bit creepy from over at the Daily Caller:

Aren't sociopaths able to beat those things?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 01:47 PM (/kI1Q)

264 I heard that all the debates will be broadcast in Tard-o-Vision, for the undecided and moderates.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 05:41 PM (jUytm)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

All captioning will be reduced to one-syllable words  encapsulated in comic-book bubbles. 

Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2012 01:47 PM (NlCP0)

265 lymond, you're wrong fucko and being retardedly literal. But keep apologizing for tyranny, show your true colors.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 03, 2012 01:47 PM (ZPrif)

266

257....It's only a violation if notices aren't sent out 60 days prior. If there's no contract actions on Jan 2 to notify about, then there's no violation of the law.

 

And it is a 'Gift'...to all the lawyers who will be getting paid to argue about what constitutes a 'violation'.

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 01:48 PM (l5RhJ)

267 >>>If there's no contract actions on Jan 2 to notify about, then there's no violation of the law.

Buzzzzzz thanks for playing we have some worthless parting gifts for you. If at 60 days prior to contract expiration a new contract is not IN HAND AND SIGNED, WARN Applies.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular! With Full Stomping Power! at October 03, 2012 01:48 PM (0q2P7)

268 "Americans for Limited Government" What do we know about this group? I'm suspicious because the leftists dress up their groups all the time in the terms of 'Democratic' or 'Limited', when they are anything but.

Posted by: blindside at October 03, 2012 01:48 PM (x7g7t)

269 Posted by: The Jackhole at October 03, 2012 05:39 PM (nTgAI)

Hee. Yeah, I just mean that you don't have to jump through hoops to get normal spacing or anything.

Posted by: Scobface at October 03, 2012 05:47 PM (IoNBC)

 

heh..The next step is to move to posting in binary

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 03, 2012 01:49 PM (nTgAI)

270

206 177
And so we do...what, exactly, about this?

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents

It almost always comes down to the willingness of the oppressed to use force, doesn't it? Eternal verities and all.
Posted by: pep



Now, now, no more of that talk . . . online.

Posted by: imp at October 03, 2012 01:50 PM (UaxA0)

271 What is the over under that Ace takes down the comments at least once before the election. Lots of ANGER here DAMNIT !

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 03, 2012 01:51 PM (nTgAI)

272 Two Chinese Guys would be a great name for a band. Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 05:42 PM (jUytm) Two Chinese Guys and a Truck?

Posted by: ErikW at October 03, 2012 01:51 PM (0m+Iv)

273 1001101101001101011010100110100101011101001101001010100011001000101101010110101011010100100!! LOL

Posted by: Truman North at October 03, 2012 01:51 PM (+gfwN)

274

>>>01101000 01100101 01101000 00101110 00101110 01010100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101110 01100101 01111000 01110100 00100000 01110011 01110100 01100101 01110000 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01101101 01101111 01110110 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110000 01101111 01110011 01110100 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00100000


01110111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00111111

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular! With Full Stomping Power! at October 03, 2012 01:51 PM (0q2P7)

275 It's only a violation if notices aren't sent out 60 days prior. If there's no contract actions on Jan 2 to notify about, then there's no violation of the law. Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 05:43 PM (RxLT6) As a general rule, suborning a crime is a crime. Now, in the sense that DC is going to let Obama get away with ANYTHING, you can claim there's no crime (from the nihilist point of view that there's no crime if you aren't prosecuted). But from the point of view that circumventing legal processes on spending to promise to pay certain people to break a law, that's fucking illegal on several levels, from violating prohibitions on due process and arrogating authority illegally to actually suborning lawbreaking and beyond. But this is all part of that legal grey area, you know the one where Democrats can break any God-damned law they want.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 03, 2012 01:51 PM (bxiXv)

276 Two Chinese Guys and a Truck?

Posted by: ErikW at October 03, 2012 05:51 PM (0m+Iv)

 

30 minutes later, you want to move again.

Posted by: buzzion - Free Kratos at October 03, 2012 01:52 PM (GULKT)

277 YOU GUYS BROKE IT

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 03, 2012 01:52 PM (nTgAI)

278 This thread's getting stale, how about a debate warm-up thread?

Posted by: JDTAY at October 03, 2012 01:52 PM (a0nis)

279 Two Chinese Guys and a Wok and a Cat?

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:52 PM (jUytm)

280 Whoa.  Wide.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 01:52 PM (/kI1Q)

281 Just because Barry doesn't ever leave election season doesn't mean we don't. Posted by: pep at October 03, 2012 05:43 PM (6TB1Z) The Weeping Boner wasn't doing anything to help GOP election bids. He took a huge mandate handed to him from the Tea party in 2010 and shit all over it until those same people felt defeated and that their votes were meaningless. I believe that this is a large part of the drag on Romney. It's not Mitt but the nearly two years of a GOP House that has done nothing but the bidding of Barky and the Dems. They, led by the Weeper, have beaten the Tea party into apathy, as seemed to have been their intention and motivation. As I said, the Weeper was happy to show that he sympathized with the Occupooping scum (who didn't even understand themselves) but he held the Tea Party at arm's length most of the time - worried about us being all racisty and violent and rapey. This took a toll that I think we are seeing, in part. They have also let the administration get away with every type of lawlessness one can imagine. I doubt anyone thinks there are any defenders of the Constitution or America to even bother voting for. I'm voting for Romney and GOP all the way through but I certainly hold no illusions about what they are going to do to turn things around and hold Barky and his junta accountable for the many, many, many serious crimes they have committed and serious damage they have done to our nation. And I wouldn't have even gone into this explanation if you hadn't complained about a straightforward and honest explanation of how this nation could have continued on without a budget for the past two years.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 01:52 PM (X3lox)

282 lie detector test? I don't think so... That's gotta be from the Onion...

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 01:52 PM (9+ccr)

283 What time is the debate tonight?

Posted by: Jason at October 03, 2012 01:53 PM (xXhWA)

284 I knew I shouldn't of had that second piece of pizza

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 01:53 PM (9+ccr)

285 The Tree of Liberty must be stunted from time to time with the Cocaine of Tyrants.

Posted by: Stuff Jefferson Said, While Drunk at October 03, 2012 01:53 PM (IoNBC)

286 half past the monkey's ass or 8p

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:53 PM (jUytm)

287 in lieu of liveblogging we will have wideblogging

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 03, 2012 01:54 PM (nTgAI)

288 Oh, and some good stuff here.

And then take the fight to the enemy.  Refuse to accept their narrative that Obama is the perfect man without flaw.  Mock him.  Make fun of him.

http://is.gd/0jNcI0

Sara Hoyt.  I bought one of her books, I should probably read it.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 01:54 PM (/kI1Q)

289 O/T but this is getting a bit creepy from over at the Daily Caller: Aren't sociopaths able to beat those things? Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 05:47 PM (/kI1Q) ==== yes

Posted by: truth at October 03, 2012 01:54 PM (LpQbZ)

290 Debate's at nine on the superior coast.

Posted by: JDTAY at October 03, 2012 01:54 PM (a0nis)

291 er, 9p eastern airlines time

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:54 PM (jUytm)

292 288
half past the monkey's ass

or 8p

  I thought it was 9

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 01:54 PM (9+ccr)

293 Will the debate be on television? Is it on tape delay or what?

Posted by: Truman North at October 03, 2012 01:54 PM (+gfwN)

294 Nein!

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:54 PM (jUytm)

295

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Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2012 01:55 PM (NlCP0)

296 So are we in agreement that Barry is getting coked up about now?  A little positive reinforcement chanting?

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 03, 2012 01:55 PM (lTVJy)

297 Number 9. Number 9. Number 9.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:55 PM (jUytm)

298 30 minutes later, you want to move again. Posted by: buzzion - Free Kratos at October 03, 2012 05:52 PM (GULKT) Ha, nice.

Posted by: ErikW at October 03, 2012 01:55 PM (0m+Iv)

299 Two Chinese Guys and a Wok and a Cat? Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 05:52 PM (jUytm) Make it a dog instead and I'll invite them to the White House.

Posted by: Baraka at October 03, 2012 01:55 PM (V/U0X)

300 My friends, there's nothing to fear from a President Obama.

Posted by: John McCain at October 03, 2012 01:55 PM (W2qJe)

301 Unless you understand this is the last stand in their mind, that if Obama wins they will be in charge when it doesn't matter anymore.
=========
Now you are getting it. That is exactly what they think and what WILL happen.

1) The major newspapers will be "bailed out" by the local cities and some states. They'll form a quasi-private corporation along the lines of PBS or Fannie Mae that will, more or less, make them officially what they already are: Mouthpieces for the state. It'll be a loan or bonds or something but, there will be taxpayer money going to the major newspapers. They will do it at the state and local level to avoid any constitutional questions. (and even then, that piss-yellow coward, John Roberts will be fine with it.)

2) The Fairness Doctrine will be the law of the land by May. I don't think I need to explain just how erronous and malicious this law is to any conservative. Short answer: No more Fox, no more talk radio and--because they will apply it to the internet--no more conservative websites. "Cut, jib, newsletter" won't be a joke, it'll be the only way you'll hear conservative opinions. Opps. Nope. Not even that will be allowed. Or  did you think that "arrest" of the filmmaker was a one-time deal?

Yes, we are well and truly fucked in the ass if the JEF is reelected.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 03, 2012 01:55 PM (imtbm)

302 I think the debate's at 9 so people on the inferior coast have time to get home from work and see it.

Posted by: JDTAY at October 03, 2012 01:55 PM (a0nis)

303 It is 9p. all the debates are 9-10:30

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:56 PM (jUytm)

304 you can wok a cat but you can't heard one

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 03, 2012 01:56 PM (nTgAI)

305 Did y'all know Homeland Security has cameras on bike trails?

WTF.

http://is.gd/kj8DHX

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 01:56 PM (/kI1Q)

306 276 >>>01101000 01100101 01101000 00101110 00101110 01010100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101110 01100101 01111000 01110100 00100000 01110011 01110100 01100101 01110000 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01101101 01101111 01110110 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110000 01101111 01110011 01110100 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00100000 01110111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00111111 --- I had a horrible nightmare... it was all zeroes and ones, then I saw a two!

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at October 03, 2012 01:57 PM (e0xKF)

307

Would it be too much to ask Mitt to throw down the gauntlet on the Lockheed thing?  Something like:

 

"So your adminstration is telling defense contractors to ignore the law both parties supported, and that you will cover their expenses if they get fined?  Are you serious?  How can you run for another term for a job whose single most important duty is to defend the Constitution, that is the law, while advocating illegal behavior that has only one conceivable motive, and that is to help elect you to protect it again?  Are you kidding me?  You have already failed at Job #1 and you want to be re-hired?"

Posted by: sherlock at October 03, 2012 01:57 PM (JYBAr)

308 Somebody went and broke the bloody  thread!

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 01:57 PM (9+ccr)

309 @307 You don't want terrorists bombing our bike trails, do you??? The casualties would be in the tens of ones.

Posted by: JDTAY at October 03, 2012 01:58 PM (a0nis)

310 I'm a better lawmaker than my lawmakers.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 03, 2012 01:58 PM (nVOyV)

311 Obama enjoys having congress with himself.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 03, 2012 01:58 PM (nVOyV)

312 "They have also let the administration get away with every type of lawlessness one can imagine. I doubt anyone thinks there are any defenders of the Constitution or America to even bother voting for. " *a zillion. Example A: Darrell Issa siting on F&F so long that now we won't get anything until after the election. If ever. He did a good job feigning surprise when JEF exerted Executive Authority, but he knew it was going to happen all along - as did most of us, and he did nothing but wait for it to happen so they could react instead of being PROACTIVE. Fuck that. Holder should have been arrested, and Obama should have been held in contempt of Congress and brought up for impeachment and charges of treason for taking power that is not his. See Weeper and Issa - this is how leaders LEAD. They are PROACTIVE. Politics be DAMNED. The country is being destroyed before our eyes and these fuckers sit around and do jack. Most of these bastards in DC need to be swept out of office. Some of the Republicans are among the worst because they are BETRAYING our trust.

Posted by: blindside at October 03, 2012 01:59 PM (x7g7t)

313

307 Did y'all know Homeland Security has cameras on bike trails?

 

Doesn't surprise me.

 

They're now talking about putting cameras in school lunchroom trashcans...to see who is throwing their veggie-lunches away!

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 01:59 PM (l5RhJ)

314 Mitt needs to stick to issues and things that everyone knows about: Gas Groceries Gjobs Keep it simple and focused on things with broad interest.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 01:59 PM (jUytm)

315

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Posted by: Obama clueless about joke but trying to play along at October 03, 2012 01:59 PM (m2CN7)

316 307 Did y'all know Homeland Security has cameras on bike trails? Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 05:56 PM (/kI1Q) You've heard of mission creep? This is mission vomit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 03, 2012 01:59 PM (bxiXv)

317 306 you can wok a cat but you can't heard one

Posted by: The Jackhole at October

even with the Miracle Ear?

Posted by: the Butcher at October 03, 2012 01:59 PM (8g9qq)

318 269 >>>If there's no contract actions on Jan 2 to notify about, then there's no violation of the law.

Buzzzzzz thanks for playing we have some worthless parting gifts for you. If at 60 days prior to contract expiration a new contract is not IN HAND AND SIGNED, WARN Applies.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular! With Full Stomping Power! at October 03, 2012 05:48 PM (0q2P7)


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Huh?  We're talking about sequestration - forced cuts due to the legislation - and the governments failure to provide info on what programs would be effected.  Of course Lockheed knows which of their contracts are expiring and can manpower plan based on new business and existing contracts.  Contracts don't automatically re-up when they expire.  They can be partially funded year by year - but would still require a contract mod to terminate or decrease work.

Expiring contracts is not the issue at all.   It the impact of not knowing what is going to cut via sequestration that caused the threat of sending WARN notices to everyone in the company.

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 01:59 PM (RxLT6)

319 You don't want terrorists bombing our bike trails, do you???

I want to bomb bike trails.  They're a fucking menace.
http://www.bikereader.com/contributors/misc/menace.html

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 01:59 PM (/kI1Q)

320 I don't know. I kind of like it.

Posted by: 60's Era Pontiacs at October 03, 2012 02:00 PM (jucos)

321 @316 Mitt doesn't really control the questions though. He'll probably get nothing but gay marriage and abortion.

Posted by: JDTAY at October 03, 2012 02:00 PM (a0nis)

322 Hello Ace... you awake?

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 02:00 PM (9+ccr)

323

WHAT THE FUCK! I thought ours was a constitutional republic. Is there no remedy, short of impeachment, to stop the Imperial Tyranny of the Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure?

Why don't the Republicans in the house do something? Obama's thumbing his nose at the clear letter of the law and his offer to have the taxpayers indemnify all who fail to follow the law are much more substantive grounds for impeachment than getting a blowjob from a fat wannabe yenta.

Posted by: MoeRon at October 03, 2012 02:01 PM (yWDpP)

324 Posted by: RoyalOil at October 03, 2012 05:55 PM (imtbm) What does 'cut,jib, newsletter' mean?

Posted by: blindside at October 03, 2012 02:01 PM (x7g7t)

325 Banhammer time

Posted by: El Lobo at October 03, 2012 02:01 PM (+I8Mq)

326 307 Did y'all know Homeland Security has cameras on bike trails? WTF. http://is.gd/kj8DHX Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 05:56 PM (/kI1Q) Uh, betta change pwans for date night!

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at October 03, 2012 02:01 PM (V/U0X)

327 Hello Ace... you awake?

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 06:00 PM (9+ccr)

 

Shhhhh

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 03, 2012 02:01 PM (nTgAI)

328

Ace and none of the Cobs are reading the comments at this point but I'll ask anyway.

 

Is the HQ liveblogging the debate so I can get my hate on?

Posted by: Finn McCool at October 03, 2012 02:01 PM (R/8dI)

329 Imp President.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 03, 2012 02:02 PM (nVOyV)

330 @kesgardner This is what old media hackery looks like. Yes, this happened -- 34 days before the actual election. --> pic.twitter.com/2vddk6Ef (h/t @keder)

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 03, 2012 02:02 PM (YjDyJ)

331 327 Banhammer time

Posted by: El Lobo at October 03, 2012 06:01 PM (+I8Mq)


  What did I miss? I nodded off there for a second...

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 02:02 PM (9+ccr)

332 #321  They are better than those damned bike LANES which Ballard got talked into putting in by some greenie-weenie.  WITH fed money,  I might add!

Posted by: Miss Marple at October 03, 2012 02:02 PM (GoIUi)

333 Posted by: MoeRon at October 03, 2012 06:01 PM (yWDpP) There is another alternative.

Posted by: blindside at October 03, 2012 02:02 PM (x7g7t)

334 326 It means "I like the cut of your jib. Do you publish a newsletter?"

Posted by: El Lobo at October 03, 2012 02:02 PM (+I8Mq)

335 326 I like the cut of your jib and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 03, 2012 02:03 PM (nVOyV)

336 Example A: Darrell Issa siting on F&F so long that now we won't get anything until after the election. If ever.

Right- it's definitely Darrell Issa's fault for not abducting Holder, tying him down and shoving bamboo splinters under his fingernails until he produced the documents he's been withholding.

Damned that weak willed Darrell Issa!

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 03, 2012 02:03 PM (SY2Kh)

337 333 we're wide blogging because someone broke the blog

Posted by: El Lobo at October 03, 2012 02:04 PM (+I8Mq)

338 338 Example A: Darrell Issa siting on FF so long that now we won't get anything until after the election. If ever. Right- it's definitely Darrell Issa's fault for not abducting Holder, tying him down and shoving bamboo splinters under his fingernails until he produced the documents he's been withholding. Damned that weak willed Darrell Issa! Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 03, 2012 06:03 PM (SY2Kh) Did you not bother to read the surrounding sentences? Way to miss the point.

Posted by: blindside at October 03, 2012 02:04 PM (x7g7t)

339 When do we get to see Slow Joe mauled by Paul Ryan? Next week?

Posted by: logprof at October 03, 2012 02:04 PM (V/U0X)

340 338 Seriously. Issa is one of the few congresscritters who actually does anything bordering on useful.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 03, 2012 02:05 PM (nVOyV)

341 Using what appropriated funds does the Department of Labor intend to use to pay this. Hell, using what appropriated funds did the Department of Labor use to conduct the analysis? I'm sure there isn't a line item that says: Legal research into ways to ignore the law

Posted by: Jean at October 03, 2012 02:05 PM (g2ldK)

342  Did y'all know Homeland Security has cameras on bike trails?

Doesn't surprise me.

They're now talking about putting cameras in schoollunchroom trashcans...to see who is throwing their veggie-lunches away!

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 05:59 PM (l5RhJ)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Welcome to New America.

Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2012 02:05 PM (NlCP0)

343 342 338 Seriously. Issa is one of the few congresscritters who actually does anything bordering on useful. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 03, 2012 06:05 PM (nVOyV) Really...for example?

Posted by: blindside at October 03, 2012 02:05 PM (x7g7t)

344 Well obama didn't seem too worried about the debate tonight. Going to a golf resort and touring. Makes me mighty suspicious that the fix is in...

Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 02:06 PM (9+ccr)

345 340 I read the surrounding sentences. What was the point?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 03, 2012 02:06 PM (nVOyV)

346 bonk bonk on the head

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 03, 2012 02:06 PM (g1uMP)

347 When do we get to see Slow Joe mauled by Paul Ryan? Next week?

October 11.

It's gonna be puddingtastic.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 02:06 PM (/kI1Q)

348 345 Like trying to kick Dems in the nuts, which is sort of important.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 03, 2012 02:07 PM (nVOyV)

349 Dammit, why don't House Republicans do the right thing and activate the Bat Signal???

We're in the face of a completely lawless administration, yet House Republicans are too wimpy to call upon the one and only hope for saving our republic- BATMAN.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 03, 2012 02:07 PM (SY2Kh)

350 Goober being somewhat cogent, for once.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 03, 2012 04:44 PM (+tqYo)



Ehh, the bugeyed fuck has done shit like this before, like when he asked Stedman some hard questions, but he ultimately folds like a fucking puss.  Or more precisely, like his asshole friend McRINO.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at October 03, 2012 02:07 PM (Mtc5W)

351 Welcome to New America. Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2012 06:05 PM (NlCP0) It's the American Socialist Superstate.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 02:07 PM (X3lox)

352 I heard that all the debates will be broadcast in Tard-o-Vision, for the undecided and moderates.
Posted by: soothsayer at October 03, 2012 05:41 PM (jUytm)

Interspersed with clips of guys getting hit in the groin. Just like in Idiocracy.

Posted by: wooga at October 03, 2012 02:07 PM (vjyZP)

353 Man, I am bone tired of the SCoaMF and his miserable scrunt of a wife.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 02:08 PM (ovpNn)

354

330....Is the HQ liveblogging the debate so I can get my hate on?

 

I dunno.

He said in another thread...that it's kind of expensive to do that, because he has to pay for posting those links.

 

But I haven't read every thread since then, so I don't know what he's decided to do.

 

Unlike the Primary Debates....this is going to be aired on all the networks and news channels.

So....just putting up a thread or two, is really all he needs to do.

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 02:08 PM (l5RhJ)

355 Did y'all know Homeland Security has cameras on bike trails? -------------------------------------------------- اللعنة من الله

Posted by: Al Qaeda at October 03, 2012 02:08 PM (jucos)

356 Interspersed with clips of guys getting hit in the groin.

It's what plants crave.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 02:08 PM (/kI1Q)

357 351 They should try the Ewok Signal.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 03, 2012 02:08 PM (nVOyV)

358 318 307 Did y'all know Homeland Security has cameras on bike trails?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 05:56 PM (/kI1Q)

You've heard of mission creep? This is mission vomit.


This is mission projectile vomit.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 03, 2012 02:09 PM (d0Dmj)

359 There's where you err, my friend. There's not going to be a future for us. Many people really seem to think this is just a Carter on steroids era, and that we'll get a Reagan to straighten this all out. Four more years of al-obama and it's all over...completely. Even if we somehow manage to survive long enough to elect a Conservative President, he'll have to contend with a Supreme Court that consists of at least 3 more al-obama appointees. That's a game-over scenario. I really believe that it all hinges on tonight. This is really damn scary. If Romney doesn't make his case tonight, the battle is over. The other two debates won't matter. The razor thin segment of the population Romney needs to win will form their opinion tonight. This is it folks.

Posted by: Havedash at October 03, 2012 05:25 PM (ToMJU)

==========

Second Amendment Solutions. Was discussing this yesterday with a veteran of the Battle of the Bulge, he's the last of two still alive from his unit.

Scary shit. All I wanted was nice, peaceful life.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 03, 2012 02:09 PM (imtbm)

360 I read the surrounding sentences. What was the point? Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 03, 2012 06:06 PM (nVOyV) Being REACTIVE instead of PROACTIVE. There was no reason to let this drag on this long. Do you think it was a coincidence that JEF exerted EA when he did? They knew they were going to do it the whole time, and Issa knew they were going to do it as well. It's not like JEF hasn't established a pattern of 'letting the law catch up'. Issa COULD have been pushing this along to get the contempt vote sooner to force Obama's hand sooner so that the lawsuits could be over with before the election. He could have had everything place ready to file the lawsuit - instead, they had to have a vote then find someone to hire, etc etc. Again, do you think it is just 'coincidence' that now the suits won't be heard or decided until after election day? I have a bridge to sell you.

Posted by: blindside at October 03, 2012 02:09 PM (x7g7t)

361

344....Welcome to New America.

 

I know, Soona.

It's getting more unrecognizable by the day.

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 02:10 PM (l5RhJ)

362 Did you not bother to read the surrounding sentences?

Way to miss the point.

Oh, there was a point there?  I must have missed it in the midst of all the delusional impeachment fantasies.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 03, 2012 02:11 PM (SY2Kh)

363 And I still don't think we've seen the October Surprise yet.

Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2012 02:11 PM (NlCP0)

364 http://www.bikereader.com/contributors/misc/menace.html Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 05:59 PM (/kI1Q) Hahaha! I live in the country and drive rural roads that are popular with Peletonia assholes who think that they are on the Tour De Ohio all the fucking time. It's a struggle to not run them down because I know they have the same right to be on the road as I do but dear fucking god, going over a long hill with 15 of them is heart-attack inducing.

Posted by: ErikW at October 03, 2012 02:11 PM (0m+Iv)

365 Romeny better fucking bring this lockheed bullshit up at the debate tonight.

If he doesnt i dont know what to say

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 02:11 PM (ovpNn)

366 Troll comment from Norway:

I think you are looosing. With the idotcuts in the budgets that the repubs have painted themselves into, a lot of people are going to vote with the dems just to ensure their paychecks. In oh so many places. And also because everybody knows someone who is a part of the system by now. The vets and so on.

And abortion.  Cause a repub gvmnt is going to be like Iran.

Posted by: Fnord at October 03, 2012 02:12 PM (hoJnS)

367 Oh, there was a point there? I must have missed it in the midst of all the delusional impeachment fantasies. Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 03, 2012 06:11 PM (SY2Kh) Maybe delusional because the Republicans are a bunch of pantywaists. Or do you think this President hasn't done anything worthy of impeachment?

Posted by: blindside at October 03, 2012 02:12 PM (x7g7t)

368 343 Using what appropriated funds does the Department of Labor intend to use to pay this. Hell, using what appropriated funds did the Department of Labor use to conduct the analysis? I'm sure there isn't a line item that says: Legal research into ways to ignore the law

They will "borrow" the money from another account.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 03, 2012 02:12 PM (YjDyJ)

369 363 I doubt Issa just sat around touching himself waiting for time to pass...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 03, 2012 02:12 PM (nVOyV)

370 It's not Issa or even Romney, there exists a body of 'Pub consultant work - to include polls, focus groups, tea leaves, belly aching, and analysis - that says don't attack Obama, and by extension his entire fiefdom, because people will rally to him like a wet kitten. Obviously, not us, the evil haters who would grind that kitten up for dupling filling, but the general electorate. I can grant them the direct attack on Obama argument, but the idea that his penumbra extends to Hilda Solis, Kathleen Sebelius, or Holder is insane.

Posted by: Jean at October 03, 2012 02:13 PM (u5ozF)

371 It's a struggle to not run them down because I know they have the same right to be on the road as I do

Did you see #6?

Bicycles use the same roads as cars and trucks yet they pay no gasoline tax, carry no license plates, are not required to have insurance, and are not subject to DOT, CAFE, or NHTSA regulations. Furthermore, bicyclists do not have to take driver's examinations, have eye tests when they're over sixty-five, carry registration papers with them, or submit to breathalyzer tests under the threat of law.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 02:13 PM (/kI1Q)

372 372 363 I doubt Issa just sat around touching himself waiting for time to pass... Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 03, 2012 06:12 PM (nVOyV) So...I ask again. What has he done? How was he proactive? How was he LEADING? You say you doubt he just sat around...except the record says that is exactly what he did. Again, do you think it is coincidence this went on long enough that we won't have answers before the election?

Posted by: blindside at October 03, 2012 02:14 PM (x7g7t)

373 It's the American Socialist Superstate. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 06:07 PM (X3lox) --It already smells lie ASS.

Posted by: logprof at October 03, 2012 02:15 PM (V/U0X)

374

Troll comment from Norway:

 

 

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That's the only thing in your comment you got right.  Now go fuck an iceberg.

Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2012 02:15 PM (NlCP0)

375 375 Well, ok, what should he have done, concretely speaking?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 03, 2012 02:16 PM (nVOyV)

376 Should the JEF be impeached? I believe he should. Is it going to happen? No. Is he going to win this election? No. It will be a blowout. Probably 5 to 7 points in Mittens favor.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 03, 2012 02:16 PM (jucos)

377

366  And I still don't think we've seen the October Surprise yet.

 

I don't think so either....still too early.

 

I shudder to think of what Barky might do, if his internal polling shows that they are losing big.

It could be epic.

It could give him a 'crisis' to use, to postpone the elections...indefinitely.

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 02:16 PM (l5RhJ)

378

we're wide blogging because someone broke the blog<<<<<

 

No.  We're wide-blogging because of this cheap-ass slapdick open source  bullshit software that Pixy  runs.  Because it's cheaper.

 

So, it can't wrap text like every other bit of blogging software on the planet, or  insert paragraph breaks, or spaces, or use ampersands, but  forget all that - it's fucking Linux, so it's superior, and it's free.

 

FREE.

 

Are you feeling the fucking savings?  Are you?

 

Oh, just wait until the  "new site" is finished.  We've  only had to wait 2 years for functionality WordPress or  Blogger already has, but fuck those corporate drones with their functional  software.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 03, 2012 02:16 PM (2GOU1)

379 377 He can't they all melted do to AGW.

Posted by: steevy at October 03, 2012 02:17 PM (6o4Fb)

380 Maybe delusional because the Republicans are a bunch of pantywaists.

Or do you think this President hasn't done anything worthy of impeachment?

Yes, if the Republicans weren't such pantywaists, Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats would without a doubt vote to convict Obama.

It's SCIENCE.  Well, at least in Crazyburg it is.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 03, 2012 02:17 PM (SY2Kh)

381 submit to breathalyzer tests under the threat of law Which is why Mrs. Jakeman and I ride our bikes to the neighborhood bar when the plan is to get hammered. We're on dirt paths and not endangering any cars, only ourselves. Heh.

Posted by: jakeman at October 03, 2012 02:17 PM (96M6e)

382 Hell,if the software worked it wouldn't be the HQ.

Posted by: steevy at October 03, 2012 02:19 PM (6o4Fb)

383 373 It's not Issa or even Romney, there exists a body of 'Pub consultant work - to include polls, focus groups, tea leaves, belly aching, and analysis - that says don't attack Obama, and by extension his entire fiefdom, because people will rally to him like a wet kitten. Obviously, not us, the evil haters who would grind that kitten up for dupling filling, but the general electorate. I can grant them the direct attack on Obama argument, but the idea that his penumbra extends to Hilda Solis, Kathleen Sebelius, or Holder is insane. Posted by: Jean at October 03, 2012 06:13 PM (u5ozF) I agree with this - I just think that the Republicans by-and-large have bought into it. We have example after example of a president and his administration that aren't just 'gray areas' but are COMPLETELY lawless, and nothing ever happens. NOTHING. Throw out immigration laws? No big deal. Attack a foreign country and fail to report to Congress? Who cares? Trillions thrown away, donors literally getting 100s of millions from the government? Keep on keeping on. During the Bush years we saw Dem after Dem POUNDING away at Bush - did everyone forget the accusations about Iraq and Katrina. The Dems brought up 'impeachment' multiple times. Have you EVER heard a Republican leader mention that word with respect to Obama? Can you imagine, if this were Bush doing these things, Harry Reid or Pelosi sitting quietly? Yet, here our guys sit, like bumps on a log 'well, he shouldn't do that' and 'we are looking into it' It is frustrating. Sorry if I've been rude but I'm sick of it.

Posted by: blindside at October 03, 2012 02:20 PM (x7g7t)

384 اللعنة عليك باراك أوباما، الذي يمارس الجنس مع الأم سخيف التأتأة كتلة من الفشل الذريع. ومن أجل كل ما هو مقدس، إذا كنت لن يجعل العاهرة التي البغيضة من زوجة لك ارتداء البرقع لعنة الله، يحلق أن الحمار الكلبة القبيح وجعل لها السير إلى الوراء. أيضا، قال كلبي مني أن أقول لك أن تذهب اللعنة نفسك يا كلب يأكل مصاصة الديك.

______OOOOO______ هذه الكتلة يمارس الجنس مع التأتأة الفشل!!!
____OOO___OOO____ هذه الكتلة يمارس الجنس مع التأتأة الفشل!!!
___OOO_____OOO___
____OOO___OOO____ هذه الكتلة يمارس الجنس مع التأتأة الفشل!!!
______OOOOO______ هذه الكتلة يمارس الجنس مع التأتأة الفشل!!!

أوباما أم مص الديك الداعر التأتأة يمارس الجنس مع كتلة من الفشل الذريع!!!
أوباما أم مص الديك الداعر التأتأة يمارس الجنس مع كتلة من الفشل الذريع!!!

أوباما أم مص الديك الداعر التأتأة يمارس الجنس مع كتلة من الفشل الذريع!!!
أوباما أم مص الديك الداعر التأتأة يمارس الجنس مع كتلة من الفشل الذريع!!!

أوباما أم مص الديك الداعر التأتأة يمارس الجنس مع كتلة من الفشل الذريع!!!
أوباما أم مص الديك الداعر التأتأة يمارس الجنس مع كتلة من الفشل الذريع!!!

أوباما أم مص الديك الداعر التأتأة يمارس الجنس مع كتلة من الفشل الذريع!!!
أوباما أم مص الديك الداعر التأتأة يمارس الجنس مع كتلة من الفشل الذريع!!!

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 02:23 PM (ovpNn)

385 Tell you what, Ace. I'll fix your blog and we'll be partners, K? We could alternate posts. Of course, I'd have to retain the right to post unlimited pictures of bicycle sprockets. And fences.

Posted by: Chuckles Johnson at October 03, 2012 02:24 PM (IoNBC)

386 lol the reverse translation even reads like broken cab driver Islamoenglish....google translator hilarity.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 02:25 PM (ovpNn)

387 Yes, if the Republicans weren't such pantywaists, Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats would without a doubt vote to convict Obama. It's SCIENCE. Well, at least in Crazyburg it is. Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 03, 2012 06:17 PM (SY2Kh) You're like an abused spouse, always making excuses. Can you show me how the Republicans have led? Hey, how's that spending reduction that they were elected to enact in 2009 working?

Posted by: blindside at October 03, 2012 02:26 PM (x7g7t)

388 So what are you going to do about Lindsey . . . whine and snivel a lot?

Posted by: rplat at October 03, 2012 02:26 PM (wSYyB)

389 Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 03, 2012 06:13 PM (/kI1Q) The cocksuckers don't even stop at stop signs, that's what pisses me off. And if I can rant, I'd rather have a big fucking group of bicyclists travelling in a group than in a long line along a half mile of country road. What the fuck am I supposed to do if someone pulls out of their driveway or makes a right turn towards me when I'm trying to pass these assholes? I really fucking hate bicyclists.

Posted by: ErikW at October 03, 2012 02:27 PM (0m+Iv)

390 I know someone who got a DUI while riding his bike.

Posted by: Jean at October 03, 2012 02:27 PM (iy7de)

391 393 I know someone who got a DUI while riding his bike.

Posted by: Jean at October 03, 2012 06:27 PM (iy7de)


I would get a DUI if i had to ride Moochelle.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 02:28 PM (ovpNn)

392 EoJ, when the time comes, this blog will work on pirate AM radios, those fancy blogs with paragraphs, not so much.

Posted by: Jean at October 03, 2012 02:32 PM (wLibB)

393 Now, in the sense that DC is going to let Obama get away with ANYTHING, you can claim there's no crime (from the nihilist point of view that there's no crime if you aren't prosecuted).

But from the point of view that circumventing legal processes on spending to promise to pay certain people to break a law, that's fucking illegal on several levels, from violating prohibitions on due process and arrogating authority illegally to actually suborning lawbreaking and beyond.

But this is all part of that legal grey area, you know the one where Democrats can break any God-damned law they want.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 03, 2012 05:51 PM (bxiXv)

I agree, in general.  This is certainly the most lawless administration I've ever seen - from violating the war powers act to illegal amnesty to ignoring court orders on the gulf, etc.  Those are concrete violations of the law.


In this case, though, the violation of the law is theoretical and not actual.   If the government acts in good faith and gives a few months heads-up to contracts on contract cuts/terminations (or if a law is passed that nulls the sequestration) - then the WARN act would never be violated.  If the government says no cuts on Jan 2 - and then decides cuts come on Jan 2 and the contractors have to lay people off without 60 days notice - then that would an unfaithful government that needs to be taken out big time.   It just seems to me that people are assuming that the government's assurances that no cuts will be occurring on Jan 2 is faithless  - and hopefully there's still some good people in the DoD that see that doesn't happen.


Lockheed put the Obama admin in a horrible position politically - they either had to specify the cuts and the timelines so Lockheed could issue  targeted WARN notices - and take the flak of actual discrete impacts due to the cuts (instead of just having nebulous cuts coming).  Or they could guarantee the cost of the lawsuits in the case the the government is faithless and doesn't give the contractors enough time to comply with the law.


It is this willingness to pay somebody for violating the law that is most damning - the administration put politics in front of doing their duty and specifying the cuts and timelines or letting Lockheed issue WARN acts to all employees.  **But**, if everybody acts in good faith then there is no violation of the law and no paying for somebody to violate the law.

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 02:35 PM (RxLT6)

394

396...Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 06:35 PM (RxLT6)

 

If the government, itself, is setting new precedents about breaking the Laws...

Then, what good are it's 'guarantees'?

 

What is to stop them from negating their own guarantees?

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 02:46 PM (l5RhJ)

395 If Michelle was my spouse, I'd work around congress with her as well. 

We're talking about sexual congress, right?

Posted by: Fritz at October 03, 2012 02:55 PM (vm7ot)

396 In this case, though, the violation of the law is theoretical and not actual. Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 06:35 PM (RxLT6) Holy fucking shit. You offer to pay someone to commit a crime, and did so under the color of authority. And you didn't have the authority to spend the money on that in the first place. If that's *not* against the law, there's a metric fuckton of disgraced and jailed former public officials that need to be reinstated, stat. Also, official corruption is legal, apparently. Report to your work camp, unless you're a politician. Now, I'll give you one thing, I'm not gonna spend hours trying to read the alien language they write Federal code in to give you code numbers, but I'd bet there's at least a dozen this breaks.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 03, 2012 03:07 PM (bxiXv)

397 "Mini-Coup"? I was thinking more along the lines of "conspiracy to violate federal laws.". They still throw people in federal prison for that, don't they?

Posted by: Socratease at October 03, 2012 03:09 PM (iVBDH)

398 Hypothetical question: Is it OK to start shooting people with Obama stickers on their cars as long as Romney refuses to allow prosecutions of shooters, or pardons the shooters?

The Democrats need to think long and hard about chucking out the rule of law.


Posted by: Kristophr at October 03, 2012 03:13 PM (wYVte)

399 397

If the government, itself, is setting new precedents about breaking the Laws...
Then, what good are it's 'guarantees'?

What is to stop them from negating their own guarantees?

Posted by: wheatie at October 03, 2012 06:46 PM (l5RhJ)


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But are they setting new precedents?  The question I had to do with the offer to pay for the lawsuits arising from the civil liability of not sending out the notices.  Did existing FAR/DFAR regulations already say that type of cost could be covered or did the admin make up new law/regulations?  If they did - that would be pretty huge - but really no more than the crap that the EPA or HHS has been doing.  (But what's congress going to do about it?)



Anyway, the OMB stated that the offer does "not alter existing rights, responsibilities, obligations, or limitations under individual contract provisions or the governing cost principles set forth in the Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) and other applicable law." Thus, "agencies may treat as allowable other costs potentially associated with sequestration, including WARN Act-related costs arising under circumstances not specified in th[e memorandum], based on the usual cost principles of allocability, allowability, and reasonableness as set forth in the FAR." 


So I they're saying there's latitude in the FAR to already allow those costs based on the fact it would've have been the governments breach that caused the costs.

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 03:16 PM (RxLT6)

400 Lymond: But would this latitude in the FAR protect the CEO of Lockheed from criminal prosecution for violating a ton of anti-corruption acts?

last time I checked, in oreder to violate criminal code with government permission ( sting perations, etc ), you needed a writ of immunity signed by both a federal judge and a US attorney.

Does the CEO of Lockheed have such an instrument in his possession?

Posted by: Kristophr at October 03, 2012 03:19 PM (wYVte)

401 order, operations .... typing too fast.

Posted by: Kristophr at October 03, 2012 03:20 PM (wYVte)

402 Holy fucking shit.

You offer to pay someone to commit a crime, and did so under the color of authority. And you didn't have the authority to spend the money on that in the first place.

...

Now, I'll give you one thing, I'm not gonna spend hours trying to read the alien language they write Federal code in to give you code numbers, but I'd bet there's at least a dozen this breaks.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 03, 2012 07:07 PM (bxiXv)

I'm not sure it's a crime , since the penalties in the WARN act are civil fines and not criminal.  But I can go along with that if we can get labor and OMB on it.  But we're saying the Lockheed and the other contractors didn't commit a crime, right?  Or are you saying that they accepted bribes - even though any cost recovered would go to the laid off employees and not to Lockheed martin?

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 03:37 PM (RxLT6)

403 last time I checked, in oreder to violate criminal code with government permission ( sting perations, etc ), you needed a writ of immunity signed by both a federal judge and a US attorney.

Does the CEO of Lockheed have such an instrument in his possession?

Posted by: Kristophr at October 03, 2012 07:19 PM (wYVte)


---------

Hi Kristophr - would any criminal code be violated - even in the event that Lockheed didn't give 60 days notice?  The WARN act consists of only civil penalties/fines. 

Even so, I'm sure that Lockheed could delay the layoffs to comply with the law even if it ate into their profits.  They could lay off 499 people for two months and then the rest after 60 days and still be in compliance of the law regardless of what cuts the government decides on - or when.

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 03:43 PM (RxLT6)

404 I'm not talking about WARN by itself.

There are a raft of laws on the books forbidding collusion between private individuals and government officials to break the law for personal profit.

Obama is profiting by this, and the CEO of Lockheed is as well.

He could easily face criminal charges for outright crimes, crimes with statute of limitations that run well past the end of Obama's term.

Posted by: Kristophr at October 03, 2012 04:00 PM (wYVte)

405 You are assuming, Lymond, that Obama will be making decisions about who will be prosecuted for corruption in Jan. of 2013.

I don't think this will be the case. The CEO of Lockheed needs to consider the possibility that a Romney appointee will be trying to make a criminal corruption case out of this.

Posted by: Kristophr at October 03, 2012 04:02 PM (wYVte)

406 Linzey, does Strom's ghost haunt you each night? I sure hope the f ck he does.

Posted by: EROWMER at October 03, 2012 04:40 PM (kxlCQ)

407 If only we had men like this Graham fellow in Congress! Obama would rue the day he crossed this line! Rue, I say!

Posted by: galosgann at October 03, 2012 04:47 PM (evvN+)

408

407I'm not talking about WARN by itself.

There are a raft of laws on the books forbidding collusion between private individuals and government officials to break the law for personal profit.

Obama is profiting by this, and the CEO of Lockheed is as well.

He could easily face criminal charges for outright crimes, crimes with statute of limitations that run well past the end of Obama's term.


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How is the CEO of Lockheed profiting by this?  They're _cutting_ his business with sequestration.   He'll be losing business and profit.  You guys think are he's already scheming to break the law - you remind me of the seers in Minority Report.  The only way that Lockheed would even get reimbursed for the WARN fines would be if (a) the government cut programs without giving them enough time to send out notices; (b) Lockheed decided to actually lay off enough people in 60 days to qualify for fines.  Everybody seems to be assuming that Lockheed is going to intentionally violate the law just so they can be reimbursed for fines that they wouldn't get if they followed the law.   Makes no sense.

Let me ask this:  What about the CEOs that already agreed to not send out WARN notices before this latest direction from OMB?  Are they guilty of some crime too?  Or only Lockheed who waited because they wanted to be sure they complied with the law? 

Posted by: lymond at October 03, 2012 05:19 PM (RxLT6)

409 Lockheed is getting value in not having to warn employees about layoffs.

Companies do not like warning employees about such becuse their best folks all jump ship early.

So, yes, there is quid pro quo here ... Lockheed avoids having to comply with the WARN act, and Obama does not have to have a bunch of folks that are effected by his decisions get layoff notices before an election.

And the other CEOsare just as guilty here.

Do not think a corruption charge can't stick.

Posted by: Kristophr at October 03, 2012 05:41 PM (wYVte)

410 Exposure no longer is enough to deter the lawless/lawlessness. The Democrats are now defined only by the will to power, having abandoned ethics, morality, rule of law. The question now is "What does the average citizen do about it?"

Posted by: Electric at October 03, 2012 05:46 PM (MA7nw)

411

I have been saying that is has been a silent coup for months now and some have told me to keep quite.  This whole administration has been acting as if they are above the law, no constitution except to lie to us and keep us in check.  Wake up people, please wake up before we loose this country completely.  No matter what we must oust Oboob and his crooked administration,  flush the evil Socialists down the sewers where they belong.  No matter what they pull please we must stand with Romney/Ryan and then after the election make sure to let the Republicans that we will stand for no more of business as usual!!!!!!!!  THIS IS OUR COUNTRY STAND UP AND PROTECT IT AND OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE.

Posted by: Nonie at October 04, 2012 02:33 PM (U+k0e)

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