January 07, 2012
— andy It's been said that it takes 10,000 hours of experience to master any skill. Which means these guys are all now master debaters, right? I mean, holy schnikes, how many of these things does it take?
Apparently at least two more. The first one is tonight at 9pm Eastern on ABC. Livestream here.
Also, you can follow on Twitter at hashtag #NHDebate, and campaign reps for every candidate will be applying lipstick to their pigs in the Twitter #spinroom.
Then, for Saints and Lions fans I guess, there's another debate tomorrow morning at 9am Eastern on NBC. I doubt anybody here will be sobered up enough for that one after tonight's drunkblog liveblog, but TiVo.
Also, for additional entertainment value ABC stuck Diane Sawyer in one of the moderators' chairs again tonight. I'll take the over on whether she "visited a pharmacy" earlier in the day.
Now let's do this thing!
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Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 07, 2012 04:52 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: willy at January 07, 2012 04:54 PM (kFoic)
Posted by: Alex at January 07, 2012 04:57 PM (+1TUS)
And...Megatron!
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 07, 2012 04:57 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Pecos, sand dune lizard killer at January 07, 2012 05:00 PM (2Gb0y)
How is it, that 40% of the damn country declares themselves conservative yet we have less than a 10% makeup in our federal government? Maybe we can get more to vote next time or something!?
The Republican party should be sunk and we should start over with a new party, they have manipulated the system to keep out anyone that actually wants to stop the expansion of the government.
Oh well, I will be watching the playoffs not the All Barack Channel debate.
Posted by: David Kramer at January 07, 2012 05:00 PM (OkW7e)
Posted by: willy at January 07, 2012 05:00 PM (kFoic)
Posted by: Ball Peen Spammer at January 07, 2012 05:06 PM (jiwQf)
Holy crap. I just spent the entire day in my underwear playing video games.
I've been here since about 3:30, which is a new indoor record for me.
For the record, I've loved every minute of it.
I'll just lurk from now on, watching the Saints/Lions game and reading y'all's take on the proceedings.
Have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 05:08 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 05:09 PM (SiOVz)
Two at once? That would require Cheney-like proportions!
Posted by: Alex at January 07, 2012 05:09 PM (+1TUS)
I've been here since about 3:30, which is a new indoor record for me.
For the record, I've loved every minute of it.
I'll just lurk from now on, watching the Saints/Lions game and reading y'all's take on the proceedings.
Skyrim has me addicted. I will probably work out in a few minutes, then clean up and go out for a drink.
Posted by: Alex at January 07, 2012 05:11 PM (+1TUS)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 07, 2012 05:13 PM (UVGQ6)
--Yeah, they're master 'baters all right.
Posted by: logprof at January 07, 2012 05:14 PM (P1nni)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 05:15 PM (SiOVz)
Posted by: willy at January 07, 2012 05:15 PM (kFoic)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 07, 2012 05:18 PM (UVGQ6)
Posted by: soothsayer as The Beaver at January 07, 2012 05:19 PM (KreG+)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 07, 2012 05:19 PM (uhBHd)
Posted by: Ball Peen Spammer at January 07, 2012 05:20 PM (jiwQf)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 09:15 PM (SiOVz)
All of West Texas is filling up with out of works Dems.
How will they vote? We both know the answer to that.
Posted by: Pecos, Sic 'em Rick at January 07, 2012 05:20 PM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: soothsayer as The Beaver at January 07, 2012 05:21 PM (Ba6aP)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 07, 2012 05:23 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 07, 2012 05:24 PM (uhBHd)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 07, 2012 05:24 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: willy at January 07, 2012 05:24 PM (kFoic)
Posted by: A Conservative Teacher at January 07, 2012 05:25 PM (WwXHu)
Posted by: chunky at January 07, 2012 05:25 PM (0vEto)
Posted by: A Conservative Teacher at January 07, 2012 09:25 PM (WwXHu)
--Amen. It's a sad day in Moronhood when more are following the 427th debate than playoff football.
Posted by: logprof at January 07, 2012 05:26 PM (P1nni)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 07, 2012 05:26 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 05:27 PM (SiOVz)
Funny, Comcast will not tell you that you can get HD without their special HD box. Hmmmmm, wonder why that is? Could it be the extra 5$ they charge?
By the way, Captain and Coke with a splash of orange and pineapple this evening, how bout you folks?
Posted by: David Kramer at January 07, 2012 05:27 PM (OkW7e)
Geesh.. I want him as C 'n C.
I want him to balance the budget. I want that Texan commonsense and Texas balls in the White House.
Seeing him at the range yesterday is a plus!
Posted by: willy at January 07, 2012 05:28 PM (kFoic)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 07, 2012 05:29 PM (+nTu7)
Posted by: David Kramer at January 07, 2012 05:29 PM (OkW7e)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 05:31 PM (SiOVz)
Posted by: Big T Party at January 07, 2012 05:31 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 07, 2012 05:32 PM (+nTu7)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 05:33 PM (SiOVz)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 05:34 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2012 05:34 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 09:33 PM (SiOVz)
All that bleach makes it hard to manage.
Posted by: Pecos, Sic 'em Rick at January 07, 2012 05:34 PM (2Gb0y)
Ron Paul is lying.
A disproportional number of blacks served in Vietnam.
86% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasians, 12.5% were black, 1.2% were other races. (CACF and Westmoreland)
Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 07, 2012 05:35 PM (TkGkA)
Posted by: Joffen at January 07, 2012 09:35 PM (hMdrr)
Excellent. Hope he catches fire after Santorum's fall.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 07, 2012 05:37 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: er at January 07, 2012 05:37 PM (z+hCt)
Where is the libertarian that realizes that foreign policy must be with carrying a big stick? What happened to the saying? America is a paper tiger! Use to hear that all the time until Reagan became President.
Oooops, just gave away my age!
Posted by: David Kramer at January 07, 2012 05:37 PM (OkW7e)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2012 05:38 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or Submit at January 07, 2012 09:31 PM (tHnoW)
Because they haven't formed the Retard Party yet.
Ok, fine, I denounce myself.
Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 07, 2012 05:38 PM (uhBHd)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 05:38 PM (SiOVz)
This debate is giving Willard the chance to hide behind Sawyer's rather large and protruding ass.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 07, 2012 05:39 PM (TkGkA)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 09:38 PM (O3R/2)
Santorum will crash. He could rise from the ashes jimbo
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 07, 2012 05:39 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: Ball Peen Spammer at January 07, 2012 05:39 PM (jiwQf)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 05:41 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at January 07, 2012 05:41 PM (MyByM)
If I weren't a lady, I'd flash you my boobehs.
Posted by: Y-not at January 07, 2012 05:41 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: ontherocks at January 07, 2012 05:42 PM (HBqDo)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Tea Party Hobbit at January 07, 2012 05:42 PM (RBq6N)
Posted by: willy at January 07, 2012 09:28 PM (kFoic)
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Yeah, it was pretty amazing that the gun range photographer was RIGHT THERE to capture it too! Lucky break for Perry.
Whew. good thing. With cameras everywhere these days, must have been tough to find one.
Posted by: willy at January 07, 2012 05:42 PM (kFoic)
laup nor .....I finally got it......been wondering all week who luap nor was!!!....this has been truly an awesome day!!!......got a perfect score on "wild well control" test at work....shot my new Kimber 45 and I turned 43!
Congrats.
I coulda 'splained that to you real easy by pointing at my nic...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 05:43 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: willy at January 07, 2012 05:44 PM (kFoic)
He just said, "I'm the only one on this stage, the only one of the Democrats..."
freudian?
Posted by: er at January 07, 2012 09:37 PM (z+hCt)
That would make a great attack ad.
Posted by: willy at January 07, 2012 05:45 PM (kFoic)
Anyone believe that carp?
Posted by: Pecos, Sic 'em Rick at January 07, 2012 05:45 PM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at January 07, 2012 05:46 PM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: willy at January 07, 2012 05:47 PM (kFoic)
whats up with Santorun and sweater vests?
Posted by: osdrew at January 07, 2012 09:46 PM (1zdrn)
Man boobs?
Posted by: Pecos, Sic 'em Rick at January 07, 2012 05:47 PM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at January 07, 2012 05:47 PM (MyByM)
If they are, we are in bigger trouble than I thought we were because that must mean they're all stoners.
I know they've been claiming the most money donated, though. But that would make sense if it is disproportionately from the younger guys, who probably don't have families/responsibilities and can waste their money donating to Paul.
Posted by: Y-not at January 07, 2012 05:47 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Ball Peen Spammer at January 07, 2012 05:48 PM (jiwQf)
Posted by: ontherocks at January 07, 2012 05:49 PM (HBqDo)
Anyone believe that carp?
I believe that just like I believe that El SCOAMF is a Christian American who loves this country.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 05:49 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 07, 2012 05:50 PM (uhBHd)
Posted by: Pecos, Sic 'em Rick at January 07, 2012 05:50 PM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: ontherocks at January 07, 2012 05:51 PM (HBqDo)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 05:51 PM (O3R/2)
There are MAYBE, 1/2 of 1% of the US being homosexual, but the All Barack Channel is spending a frelling half hour on homosexual issues!
Explain to me again! Why the hell does the Republican party allow themselves to be moderated by the communist party?
ANYONE? Anyone?
Bueller?
Posted by: David Kramer at January 07, 2012 05:52 PM (OkW7e)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 05:52 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: concrete girl at January 07, 2012 05:52 PM (1lBFa)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 05:53 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: macintx at January 07, 2012 05:53 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 05:53 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: concrete girl at January 07, 2012 05:54 PM (1lBFa)
Posted by: Y-not at January 07, 2012 05:54 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 05:55 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Ball Peen Spammer at January 07, 2012 05:55 PM (jiwQf)
Posted by: Y-not at January 07, 2012 05:55 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 07, 2012 05:56 PM (uhBHd)
There are MAYBE, 1/2 of 1% of the US being homosexual, but the All Barack Channel is spending a frelling half hour on homosexual issues!
Explain to me again! Why the hell does the Republican party allow themselves to be moderated by the communist party?
ANYONE? Anyone?
Bueller?
Exactly. The commies are distracting from discussing the damage their team is doing.
Posted by: willy at January 07, 2012 05:56 PM (kFoic)
Hoping and praying there is many more like you!
This! And I truly hope he makes it to FL on the 31st so I can cast my vote for him.
Save us, Obi-Rick, you're our only conservative hope.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 05:56 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Tea Party Hobbit at January 07, 2012 05:57 PM (RBq6N)
She pronounced it like she was calling home the sheep.
Or like the thought train left town.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 07, 2012 05:58 PM (HBqDo)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Tea Party Hobbit at January 07, 2012 05:59 PM (RBq6N)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 06:00 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 07, 2012 06:00 PM (uhBHd)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:00 PM (r2PLg)
BTW, I think Santorum is a Big Govt. Republican. I will not support him.
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 06:00 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Jimbo
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Hoping and praying there is many more like you!
Posted by: macintx at January 07, 2012 09:53 PM (ucs8Y)
Another to-be Perry voter in SC, here.
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at January 07, 2012 06:01 PM (jV57q)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:01 PM (r2PLg)
No danger there, it's a GOP debate.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 07, 2012 06:01 PM (HBqDo)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 06:01 PM (SiOVz)
Posted by: Y-not at January 07, 2012 06:02 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:02 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Ball Peen Spammer at January 07, 2012 06:04 PM (jiwQf)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 06:04 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:04 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: tdpwells at January 07, 2012 06:05 PM (7vA7k)
Posted by: Y-not at January 07, 2012 10:02 PM (5H6zj)
I make a killer peanut butter cheesecake.
Oh! Not that kind? Sorry.
Posted by: Pecos, Sic 'em Rick at January 07, 2012 06:05 PM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: Ball Peen Spammer at January 07, 2012 06:05 PM (jiwQf)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 06:05 PM (SiOVz)
Posted by: lowandslow at January 07, 2012 06:06 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 07, 2012 06:06 PM (uhBHd)
I'm afraid to change the tv channel in case it wakes her up.
Change the channel, put it on mute (or down real low) and use Close Captioning? They sometimes have trouble keeping up, but it's kinda funny after a couple of drinks. The CC folk, that is.
Saints still up?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 06:07 PM (d0Tfm)
forrest gump for pres....ping pong saved the world!
Posted by: osdrew at January 07, 2012 06:08 PM (1zdrn)
Posted by: concrete girl at January 07, 2012 06:08 PM (1lBFa)
Yes and another great catch by Colston down near the goal line.
And now a TD by Graham.
Posted by: Y-not at January 07, 2012 06:09 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 07, 2012 06:09 PM (uhBHd)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:10 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 06:10 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 07, 2012 06:10 PM (uhBHd)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:11 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 06:12 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Racefan at January 07, 2012 06:12 PM (gc7IE)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:12 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 06:12 PM (SiOVz)
Posted by: lous a girl at January 07, 2012 06:12 PM (R21xD)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 06:13 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:14 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: willy at January 07, 2012 06:14 PM (kFoic)
Mitt's tie is crooked and poorly tied. I don't like the pattern, either.
Another good reason not to vote for him.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 07, 2012 06:15 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Red Shirt at January 07, 2012 06:15 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 10:00 PM (d0Tfm)
Derrrrrrrrr, that is what the All Barack Channel is for.....................what the Fuck are these idiots doing?
Explain it to me. Why the hell don't these morons get together and ask each other what is best for our country? Why do they allow themselves and US to be manipulated. I swear, the people that are supposed to be their managers are either the dumbest frelling people in the world or they are working for Obama!
I have about had it, what the hell did Palin talk to these people about? Attacking each other? I mean, she did get together with most of them, didn't she? I thought she would have been the one to tell them that the communists are the enemy, are they that much hung up on themselves?
Posted by: David Kramer at January 07, 2012 06:15 PM (OkW7e)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 06:15 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 06:16 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 06:16 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 07, 2012 06:17 PM (+nTu7)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:18 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: wankette at January 07, 2012 06:18 PM (CrYip)
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 07, 2012 06:18 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: lous a girl at January 07, 2012 06:19 PM (R21xD)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 06:20 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:20 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 07, 2012 06:20 PM (+nTu7)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:21 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:22 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 06:22 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 07, 2012 06:23 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 07, 2012 06:23 PM (+nTu7)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 06:24 PM (d0Tfm)
Stop feeding the monster.
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 06:26 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 07, 2012 06:27 PM (uhBHd)
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 07, 2012 06:28 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: lowandslow at January 07, 2012 06:29 PM (GZitp)
Oh God! Santorum has descended to slime attacks again. The debate was going well with the candidates stating their position but bouncing their ideas against what obama was doing but Santorum had to get slimey again.
Posted by: rabidfox at January 07, 2012 06:30 PM (VzVoB)
A draw, which means Romney. George Stenophilouslisis is the big loser.
Posted by: lowandslow at January 07, 2012 06:31 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 06:31 PM (O3R/2)
Mitt: "We need to open up markets for American goods." Howzabout we start making our own and consuming those? We're still the world's largest consumer market, yet we aren't taking advantage of it.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 06:31 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:33 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 06:33 PM (SiOVz)
Posted by: chas at January 07, 2012 06:34 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Tea Party Hobbit at January 07, 2012 06:34 PM (RBq6N)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 06:34 PM (SiOVz)
Huntsman is right.
Even Huntsman is actually substantially better than Mittens, if we feel we must nominate someone who panders to the ignoramus vote.
Posted by: Entropy at January 07, 2012 06:34 PM (fUGwd)
Posted by: lowandslow at January 07, 2012 06:34 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 07, 2012 06:36 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:37 PM (r2PLg)
Not much in the way of us making our own products again, sadly predictable.
I'd love to hear Perry say that this whole global economy idea just isn't working out well for us and we should regroup and concentrate on us for a change.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 06:37 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 06:37 PM (SiOVz)
Heh, ties. Mitt's is blue and has a pattern that points in all directions.
Freudian?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 10:24 PM (d0Tfm)
Definitely appropriate.Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 07, 2012 06:38 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:38 PM (r2PLg)
Romny was right about China and their artificially low currency. I don't think a trade war would help China - all we'd have to do is whisper the 'D' word.
Posted by: rabidfox at January 07, 2012 06:38 PM (VzVoB)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:40 PM (r2PLg)
I'm like watching this debate you know, and like it's so cool because like you know I'm going to be punditting about it later on TV.
Does punditting have like one T or two, cause it just like looks wrong. Oh well nobody can see it on TV like you know where I am.
Posted by: Meghan McCain at January 07, 2012 06:40 PM (krDGs)
I wish someone would ask Romney what would happen to bond rates and inflation...
I mean maybe he has the answer-but no one follows up with that.
A substantive question from this panel? Shirley, you jest. They are there to divide...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 06:40 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Heartlandvoter at January 07, 2012 06:40 PM (AkFx3)
A draw, which means Romney. George Stenophilouslisis is the big loser.
George StaphinSyphillis?
Can't. Watch. Him.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 07, 2012 06:41 PM (Usk3+)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:41 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:42 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 06:43 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:43 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: rabidfox at January 07, 2012 06:44 PM (VzVoB)
Perry sure was quiet. At least he had no gaffes that I heard, but I just tuned in at halftime. Did I miss anything he might have done to hurt himself?
Back to footsballs...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 06:45 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 07, 2012 06:45 PM (SiOVz)
This debate was uninspiring, or maybe I'm simply burned out listening to the same answers or possibly watching the same players?
Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 07, 2012 06:45 PM (TkGkA)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 07, 2012 10:16 PM (uhBHd)
Hehehehehehehe, poooorrr widdle bawawky obamey. He is such a woooser. Cannot say that!
Here is the problem with everyone of them on the stage, I saw a vid of Ryan Air addressing the EU in Brussells, that guy tore them up. He stated right to their faces that it is not Europe that is the problem, it is the frelling bureaucracy that is the problem. Just as it is in the US.
Not one of these idiots even addresses the substitive problem, the bureaucracies. Hell, Romney states he know the problems, but never states what they are. I built all kinds of sites, commercial, residential, industrial, it always comes down to government interference. They can talk all they want about increasing manufacturing and industrialization, problem is, they will NEVER be able to stop the problem unless they destroy the very bureaucracies that are the center of the problem. They will then have to address the courts that the environmento freaks use to hold up business and expansion. Hell, I had one freak hold up a project for a year for ONE, ONE redtail hawk nest. Redtail hawks are not an endangered species, they are prevalent throughout the entire country. But hey, we cannot harm one redtail hawk nest, even if it is to provide 96 homes for humans!
I have dealt with city, county, state inspectors, they are NOT the problems, the problems are the freaks in government that create these laws that require anything and everything to be studied, cataloged, choreographed, etc, etc, etc before anything that can be done.
Obama, spoke about how in the past we created huge improvements like the Hoover Dam, in today's world, it would take 10 years to get the original approvement. Each and every adjustment would take another 10 years to be approved. This is why the US is becoming a 3rd world country, not because of non initiative, but because of the inability to actually do ANYTHING!
We have become the USSA!
Posted by: David Kramer at January 07, 2012 06:45 PM (OkW7e)
Sawyer does look like she took a few vicodins to prep herself for the debate.
Why did the debate end at 10:40 instead of 11:00? Did they intentionally time it so MFM assholes had 20 minutes to follow up with "analysis"?
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 07, 2012 06:45 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 07, 2012 06:46 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:47 PM (r2PLg)
When Huntsman spoke Chinese, it was something about Diane Sawyer's rather large and imposing udders.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 07, 2012 06:48 PM (TkGkA)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2012 06:48 PM (Gc/Qi)
This debate was uninspiring, or maybe I'm simply burned out listening to the same answers or possibly watching the same players?
Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 07, 2012 10:45 PM (TkGkA)
That's why I'm into the neckties. That's probably going to be the deciding factor for me.Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 07, 2012 06:49 PM (7+pP9)
Hehehehehehehe, udderly idiotic I suppose.
Posted by: David Kramer at January 07, 2012 06:49 PM (OkW7e)
Posted by: rabidfox at January 07, 2012 06:50 PM (VzVoB)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:50 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:51 PM (r2PLg)
What's yellow and wears a mask?
Posted by: The Lone Lemon at January 07, 2012 10:52 PM (xXhWA)
Big Bird robbing the US Treasury for crack money!
Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 07, 2012 06:53 PM (TkGkA)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2012 06:54 PM (Gc/Qi)
ABC News... deciding how our candidates are presented. Lovely.
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Well yeah! You have Stephanopolis, a communist..........erm Democrat operative asking questions, what the HELL do you expect!?
All Barack Channel running the debate.
I swear, the Republican party is allowing the debates to be run by the Democrat run media on purpose. There is NO OTHER EXPLANATION.
Yeah, I am not a normally conspiracy minded individual, so you give me the explanation that makes sense besides this one. The Republicans are being destroyed by the very media that denigrates conservatism every single day. Yeah, that would be my choice for outlets!
Posted by: David Kramer at January 07, 2012 06:55 PM (OkW7e)
Posted by: rabidfox at January 07, 2012 06:55 PM (VzVoB)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:56 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: David Kramer at January 07, 2012 10:45 PM (OkW7e)
Good rant, check your silt fence and watch out for wetlands.. I finished my last project in 07 and knew better than to start another. Galt is good.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 07, 2012 06:58 PM (Usk3+)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 06:59 PM (r2PLg)
You haven't done a tie review for Ron Paul yet...
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 10:38 PM (r2PLg)
It was maybe a bit wide, but I like wide ties versus skinny ones. The skinny ones that Newt and Santorum wore don't do it for me. I also liked the pattern, big diagonal stripes. He used a winsdor knot (a plus) but it was very sloppily tied. He probably tied it himself and didn't notice how bad of a job he did. He had a chance for the best tie of the debate and totally blew it.Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 07, 2012 06:59 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2012 06:59 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 07, 2012 06:59 PM (+nTu7)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 07, 2012 07:00 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 07:00 PM (r2PLg)
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Posted by: Burke at January 07, 2012 07:02 PM (9N3G1)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2012 07:03 PM (Gc/Qi)
Hmmm. So many divisive questions, so little in the way of clear answers. I'll admit this is the first debate I've watched since the second one, and I just flipped over at halftime, so I missed the first part of it.
I'm still disappointed that Newt was the only one who really took it to the SCOAMF. I'd really have liked to heard a kindler, gentler tone amongst the candidates and a hell of a lot more criticism of this current communist regime.
Oh, and D. Kramer, you ain't seen nothing like I've seen in manufacturing over the years. We are truly killing ourselves with overregulation: it gets lip service, even from the SCOAMF, but nobody, and I mean nobody, ever does anything to actually stop it. It seems like whomever we vote for, the onslaught of regulations continue unabated.
How will it ever stop? Why is our own government intent upon defying us?
More importantly, how did we lose control of our own damned government and how do we get that control back?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 07:03 PM (d0Tfm)
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Posted by: lowandslow at January 07, 2012 07:05 PM (GZitp)
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Posted by: CoolCzech at January 07, 2012 07:07 PM (niZvt)
I thought Diane Sawyer looked kind of hot. She's in my top 3 for the 65-75 age group with Raquel Welch being number 1.
Sawyer did seem drunk though...easy score.
Romney won the debate but I have to admit, Gingrich describing all of the effects of gay marriage re: the Catholic Church was the best part of the debate.
Posted by: Pete_Bondurant at January 07, 2012 07:09 PM (Q4jrq)
Posted by: tasker at January 07, 2012 07:11 PM (r2PLg)
Hehehehehehehehe
My last project was a Jimmy John's in New Mexico. Electrical design was all frelled up, got it done after numerous redesigns and firing the first electrical contractor, my General paid the initial idiot almost the entire contract before he was done. JEEEEEZ!
Your silt fence statement reminds me of the 55 unit single level homes and duplexes I built for my second project in Fresno Ca. I came back from vacation and as I was approaching the site, from about a mile away, I started noticing silt in the drainage gutter along the roads. My site was a disaster, I told my project manager to keep a watch on the laborers, they were a collection of lay arses. I guess he left one day and instead of watering the site with the hoses and water truck to keep the dust down, they decided to get drunk and just flood the site with the hydrants!
Spent the next three weeks cleaning and training in new laborers. Oh well, it was all worth it, being that I was salaried, I got to work an extra 30 hours per week for three weeks to clean up the mess. For no extra pay!
Fresno is a basin of clay that is like concrete when dry, under that is hardpan that makes concrete look soft. But when you get a little rain or someone flooding the site, it turns into a sloppy mess. If you allow any traffic, the moisture travels down into the soil and destroys the compaction. Some of the worst soil conditions I have ever seen!
As for Galt, been that way since I left Fresno in 08, been doing minimal work for the last 3 years. Building websites for minimal money.
Posted by: David Kramer at January 07, 2012 07:12 PM (OkW7e)
This is the most I watched any debate so far... who made the decision to marginalize Perry and Gingrich? Am I crazy? What I saw was Huntsman getting as much questions tossed at him as Mitt, with Paul and Santorum bickering with each other. It can't be based on anything other than ABC News deciding how to manage the clock, can it? One time I heard Perry actually have to CUT IN to get in a comment!
ABC News... deciding how our candidates are presented. Lovely.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2012 10:48 PM (Gc/Qi)
It's an important point and you nailed it squarely.The GOP is just going through the motions for 2012. If they were serious about winning they would've been working their asses off to reform the primary system beginning in 2009.
But the GOP doesn't really want to win. That's why they're perfectly content with liberals running their debates and the current flawed primary system.
The bastards are working as hard as the Democrats and MFM to demoralize the conservative base.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 07, 2012 07:13 PM (7+pP9)
I think tonight sewed it up for him.
I have that same sinking feeling myself that Mittens will be the nominee. That won't stop me from pulling for Perry right up until the second he drops out, though.
In a perfect world where everything wasn't backwards, someone on his committee would monitor this site and take a few notes. He has a lot to learn. Since he's proven to move in the direction of the wind, he could sure do worse than listen to us.
Oh, BTW, did anybody catch the last question's answers about the "football championship game?"
It's not tonite, it's Monday nite.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 07, 2012 07:13 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: lowandslow at January 07, 2012 07:14 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: rabidfox at January 07, 2012 07:16 PM (VzVoB)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2012 07:19 PM (Gc/Qi)
Oh, and D. Kramer, you ain't seen nothing like I've seen in manufacturing over the years. We are truly killing ourselves with overregulation: it gets lip service, even from the SCOAMF, but nobody, and I mean nobody, ever does anything to actually stop it. It seems like whomever we vote for, the onslaught of regulations continue unabated.
How will it ever stop? Why is our own government intent upon defying us?
More importantly, how did we lose control of our own damned government and how do we get that control back?
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I think there is a solution to this problem. A President can declare an emergency with the approval of the Congress, they then can bypass almost any and all regulations. I believe this is what it is going to take.
Think about that crap with the Canadian oil pipeline, they originally took 3 years to study the impact and Obama wanted to do another study!
All it takes is initiative and some balls, but of course, there are not many left in DC with balls, they all come with bribery skills though, and pink tootoos!
Posted by: David Kramer at January 07, 2012 07:20 PM (OkW7e)
Posted by: Ball Peen Spammer at January 07, 2012 07:21 PM (jiwQf)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 07, 2012 07:24 PM (V6fqC)
I worked in Texas, can't imagine California. Did some small stuff in Colorado, more regulated than Texas but still probably much better than Cali.
Flooding fill dirt with hydrants to keep the dust down, that's a good one.
Good luck out there.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 07, 2012 07:25 PM (Usk3+)
Posted by: Laredo Loretta at January 07, 2012 07:28 PM (r2PLg)
A drunken Sawyer and a sober Snuffleupagus.
And GOP candidates actually voluntarily showed up for a clown-show debate moderated by these two.
If that alone doesn't indicate the utter senile decrepitude that has overtaken the party, nothing will.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 07, 2012 07:30 PM (aWrFJ)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 07, 2012 07:32 PM (Te1S8)
BurtTC at January 07, 2012 11:19 PM (Gc/Qi)
you remember the last election when the nytimes endorsed mccain during the primary. when the general election rolled around they continued to give him fair and balanced coverage. im sure the same will hold for willard this time also.
Posted by: chas at January 07, 2012 07:36 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: Africanus at January 07, 2012 09:02 PM (sy+ko)
Posted by: FactCheck.Org at January 07, 2012 09:24 PM (hRH92)
Posted by: EBL at January 07, 2012 09:49 PM (UwxZ1)
Posted by: Joffen at January 07, 2012 10:00 PM (zLeKL)
It is so strange how many of you just don't get it.
Romney is huge. He will be like Reagan in twenty years... everyone will want to say how they supported him.
And you all will either lie, or be embarrassed.
Who are you going to say you supported? Newt Gingrich? Really? Against Mitt Romney? You won't be proud of that in a couple of years.
Open your eyes.
Posted by: petunia at January 07, 2012 10:40 PM (hgrmi)
Perry 04:24
Huntsman 05:44
Gingrich 06:24
Moderators 06:42
Paul 10:08
Santorum 10:41
Romney 13:18
Also, ABC should be prohibited from further debates unless they can provide a serious questioner, like Jake Tapper.
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 08, 2012 02:05 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 08, 2012 04:39 AM (SiOVz)
Posted by: cackfinger at January 08, 2012 05:08 AM (a9mQu)
6-Shooter - Check
Saddle - Check
Big Dick - Check
Dead Coyotes - Check
Rick Perry
It is NOT TOO LATE for Rick Perry. Stop listening to the MFM.
Posted by: iykwimaityd at January 08, 2012 06:17 AM (Dh3nJ)
Hilarious!
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