1 I think I've got whiplash.

2 It's a good thing I have contraception coverage, I'm seeing double.

-J

3 People are rankled that Romney is likely to win. They're comparing him, I believe, not to Santorum and Gingrich, but to hypothetical candidates they would really prefer, for whom Santorum and Gingrich are substitute place-holders only for basis of comparison.

Yep.

4 I commented on the other thread.

I WUZ robbed.

5

At least you didn't call first. Or a lawyer.

 

6 Let's roll.

7

More so... lets take the CHOICE away from any of the States who have not voted in the Primary yet...

 

All States are equal... but early States are more equal than later States?

8 Romney > SCOAMF

Next question?

9

I don't have a problem with Mitt. I think he'll throw his business experience and work ethic right into the job of President. Beats the hell out of what we have now.

10 Does anyone else think this business with the 5th circuit is smoke and mirrors cause he already know he won 6 to 3?

11 he has endorsed the Ryan Budget. Democrats are currently trying to make that a central issue in this campaign, Romney's "extremism" in embracing this budget.

Just don't ask us about our budget.  Because there ain't one.

12 People are rankled that Romney is likely to win. memo to people: Get over it.

13 So we shouldn't rub Romney nomination in the faces of Santorum supporters?

Got it.

14 Next question?


Where's my free stuff?

15 I'm still at Stage 4 but I'm heading toward acceptance. I know this because I know longer get nauseous when I think of having to vote for Mitt- just kind of numb now. SCOAMF will push me over the edge into Mittbottland soon enough.

16 Well, he's no Don Cheadle, that's for sure.

17 Come to me, friends.

18 What's here that you wouldn't want in a candidate? He's on record repudiating "Reagan-Bush", he imposed a health insurance mandate, and he doesn't seem to give credence to the more serious charges against Obama (not the full-on birther stuff, I mean talking about his radicalism).

19 Bejeez...its like I ate the brown acid around here today.

20 Hell, I conceded this months ago and I was for that Texas governor that could'nt talk. No the other one.

21 there's no point saying "get over it" because that actually makes people not want to get over it.

22 Yeah, people.
Don't fight it.
Just lay back and enjoy it.

23 Posted by: which at April 05, 2012 03:59 PM (oZfic)

THAR' SHE BLOWS!

24 Posted by: which at April 05, 2012 03:59 PM (oZfic)

You're delusional.  Put me in your dossier.

25 This gives me plenty of time to figure out how not to throw up on my ballot when being stuck voting for this sham of a "Conservative"...we're way beyond picking between a Giant Douche and a Shit Sandwich now.

Maybe I'll just pull the trigger a few times that morning as a precaution.

26

I still think putting the dog on the roof of the car is a reason to vote for him.  I mean, come on, who hasn't left random objects (a wallet, a book, a family member) on the roof of the car when going somewhere.

 

 

27

11. Just don't ask us about our budget. Because there ain't one.

That's the usual Democrat gamesmanship.

28 It don't matter.  Only one thing matters and that is getting that f*ing marxist out the white house before he douses the country in gasoline and puts a flame to it.
We might be too late as it is.

29 I don't like the Agent Smith attitude, either. "This is the sound of inevitability".

We weren't robbed, though. There was a lesson in the McCain - Hayworth primary campaign in 2010, You Can't Beat Somebody With Nobody. For various reasons, only vanity candidates bothered showing up this time - excepting Perry, I guess, who acted like he barely knew where he was during the campaign.

30 Time's slipping into the future. If Santorum and Newt haven't conceded by the time the convention rolls around Mitt will lose time that could be dedicated to attacking the SCOAMF. Neither of them can win it on delegatres and winning a floor vote is unlikely, so why roll the bones? Newt is just in it to take Santorum out and Santorum is still a young man. They -- and their supporters --  need to do what's best for the nation.

31 Damn typed out a long comment on the wrong one which got deleted.


So I will repeat.  WE WUZ ROBBED


We was robbed by what ever fracking RNC idiot decided it was ok to have ten thousand damn worthless debates hosted by the MFM.


That and the stupid primary order where the blue States determine our nominee is why we have these 4 worthless assholes as the nominees.


I may be forced to vote for  Mutt the MA liberal but I don't have to like him and kiss his ass.

And no I don't like Sanatarium or Noot either.

32 >>And while people largely ignore this, he has endorsed the Ryan Budget. Democrats are currently trying to make that a central issue in this campaign, Romney's "extremism" in embracing this budget.

I'm all dead inside, but an executive who understands arithmetic really is a vast improvement over status quo.

33

22Yeah, people.
Don't fight it.
Just lay back and enjoy it.

 

And think of England?

34 Ace, 2000 shiny nickels to you if you ban curious.

35 No, but I do believe he is conservative.
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Based on what.  The only thing conservative is his rhetoric.  His record is liberal as it can get.

36

>>If you decide that the refs took the game from you, now you have a grievance, and a sense of unfairness, and an anger towards The Whole Corrupt System.

 

What are you getting at?

37

The Mormon-bashing is already beginning....if that thing that O'Donnel did is an indicator.

 

The Dems would obviously rather have Santorum to beat up.

38

25. Maybe I'll just pull the trigger a few times that morning as a precaution.

You may have to clear the NBP from the polling place....

39 I don't really give a crap if Romeny discusses Obama's "radicalism" or not. Anyone who thinks Obama is radical is, get this, ALREADY VOTING AGAINST HIM. You ought to be thinking about what will put you in a better position (drawing some of the ten million who voted for Obama who we need to flip) rather than about things you'd like to hear for purposes of validation of your viewpoint.

40 Well, I will say this, at least: I don't have that same sick feeling in the pit of my stomach as I did when McCain secured the nomination.

But it might just be because I'm more inherently pessimistic now than I was 4 years ago.

I won't campaign for Romney. I won't work the phones or go door to door, but I'll find a good sturdy barf bag to bring to the polling place with me.

The rest is up to him.

41 Digging in my heels for Perry.

42 In time you will come to appreciate me. [Licks our cheek]

43 Romney isn't running for Blogger of the Year or Conservative Radio Hose of the Year.

44 And think of England?

I know what part you'll be thinking of.

/wink

45 "And when you compare Romney to Your Absolute Favorite Choice, hey, he kind of sucks."

Yeah, no shit, THIS HAS BEEN POUNDED IN OUR MORON HEADS OVER AND OVER!  So can we puh-LEEESE stop with this line of shit and know that WE CAN'T LET THIS MARXIST BASTARD HAVE ANOTHER TERM!!??  Please?  Can we just imagine another Obama term when he's not encumbered by the need to be re-elected?  CAN WE?  Will we recoginize our beloved republic?  Alrighty then.  Let's just stop this nonsense and get behind the guy who SUCKS WAY FUCKING LESS!!!!

Good heavens.  Please.

46

I'm just excited to get to the head to head battle with preznit fuckwit.

47 And think of England?

Posted by: Sub-Tard at April 05, 2012 04:02 PM (ursbV)

 

Think of America, or what's left by then.

48 host not "hose"

49 That's right. Mitt is running for national office.

50  No, but I do believe he is conservative.
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Based on what. The only thing conservative is his rhetoric. His record is liberal as it can get.

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2012 04:03 PM (YdQQY)

 

 

VIC IS SPOT ON!

51 Rubio is in Florida. He already had a chance to vote. I'm in PA. We haven't voted yet. I want my voice heard before before I get lectured to fall in line.
Romney needs to understand that his nomination may be inevitable, but he needs to convince a lot of conservatives, if he wants more than tepid support.

52 or Conservative Radio Hose of the Year.

ISWYDT

53 Video killed the radio hose.

54

I love ACE but I will never vote for Romney. . .never!

55 Pipe Holder, you suck as an advocate for Mitt Romney.

56 Yeah, radio hose of the year went to Randi Rhodes.

57 I still can't think of anyone he could pick to change my mind....not going to vote for Romneycare in the General election, I will vote down ticket for the R's, but putting Romney in there with a GOP congress will be a disaster for conservatism.  If you thought Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive, Romney is 10 times what he was.

58 @DavidMDrucker  MT @amyewalter: RT @daveweigel: Waukesha's screw-ups made #WIprimary look closer than was.Election night Romney lead 4 pts;Final: 7 pts.

So PPP called it correctly.

59 I love ACE but I will never vote for Romney. . .never! Posted by: Pragmatic

I have found this sentiment, from this nic to be oxymoronic for weeks.

60 I know, the agony, dear Will Robinson. oooh, it hurts to pull the lever for that man

61 The sad part is that he beat out other candidates that in hindsight would make a lot of people waaay more comfortable.  But he went to the back, melded into the woodwork and watched the blogsphere chop up the other candidates into little tiny pieces for him.

Marco thinks it's him.  That pawlenty guy thinks it's him.

Maybe daily caller thinks it's michelle.  The paulbots think it's him or his son.

And the Palinbots thinks it's her.  Oh and the Newt folks think it could be no

one else but him.

Sadly, the VP candidate might be the only thing that saves the guy with the

base.  And he's going to pick the governor of Virginia to appeal to the south.

62 You ought to be thinking about what will put you in a better position (drawing some of the ten million who voted for Obama who we need to flip) rather than about things you'd like to hear for purposes of validation of your viewpoint.

Posted by: ace at April 05, 2012 04:03 PM (nj1bB)

 

**

So? What? No red meat? Thats it, I'm takin my toys and goin home!

63 I blame all you Morons who would rather fap to internet porn than live in a moral and happy society!

64 Romney haters, come home. All is forgiven...

Seriously, out of the GOP candidates who ran in this cycle, Romney really is the best hope of beating Obama. The guy knows how to play hardball and he's going to make things very hot for Barry indeed...

65 Posted by: toby928© at April 05, 2012 04:07 PM (GTbGH)

Undoubtedly a troll.

66 Ok Ace. So finally. I've been saying this for a while esp to those who keep attacking Romney from the left because he isn't conservative enough for them. It's time to stfu and start to work on how to get rid of Obama. Everyone has heard all the anti-Romney crap. It's not cute anymore. No one cares if certain people are disappointed.

67 The hell with November! I may just lie back and think of Samantha Brick tonight.

Or five minutes from now in the employee bathroom. Hey, we're all friends here, right?

68

I've accepted Romney. I agree with Ace. Once you get over the initial hatred or dislike, he turns out to be a fairly likeable guy.

Is he my first choice? Is he my tenth choice? No. 

My number one goal, from the beginning of the primaries, was to beat Obama. That remains my number one goal. I will do whatever is needed to help ensure Obama loses in 2012.

 

 

69 I'm kind of disturbed by the number of "conservatives" actively working for a second--and more flexible! No more pesky answering to the voters!--term for Obama.

70

For what it's worth, I don't think politicians should say this. It's counterproductive. Every statement like this makes people want to dig in their heels more.

 

Unless he wasn't appealing to them, but rather to the presumptive nominee.

71 Are you shitting me? We've been waiting since November 5th, 2008 to vote against Obama.

72 Has anyone brought up Sarah Palin yet? She may be our only hope.

73

People are rankled that Romney is likely to win. They're comparing him, I believe, not to Santorum and Gingrich, but to hypothetical candidates they would really prefer, for whom Santorum and Gingrich are substitute place-holders only for basis of comparison.

.

Exactly.  Ask a Santorum supporter how long they have supported him.  If they are honest, it hasn't been from the beginning.

74 Mitt Romney: He doesn't suck as much as those other guys. Not exactly "I like Ike", but it will have to do.

75 Ron Paul!

76

My number one goal, from the beginning of the primaries, was to beat Obama. That remains my number one goal. I will do whatever is needed to help ensure Obama loses in 2012.

THIS.

ABO/2012

SMOD/2016

77 "Marco Rubio: It's Time To Concede That Mitt Romney Is Our Candidate"
<br><br>
Not a problem.
<br>
I'm conservative, and NOT Republican, so he's YOUR candidate. Not "mine".

78 "It's time to stfu..."

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Exhibit B for how to suck at advocating for Romney.

Folks, STFU is simply not going to win over anyone who doesn't want to vote for the guy.

79 I'm working my way through the Five Stages of Romney and I'm already up to Resigned Disgust.

80 I like Romney.

81 I'm still available!

82

Alrighty then. Let's just stop this nonsense and get behind the guy who SUCKS WAY FUCKING LESS!!!!
This a hundred fucking times!

83

Oh, so now they speak.

*

http://tinyurl.com/7dstqul

*

Wonder how many more weasels will come out of hiding.

 

84 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

85

Romney is the guy, and now I will back him.

/'scuse me while I hurl yesterdays breakfast

86 As long as Romney stands up to obama and the democratic thugs I think we will be OK, but he can't pull a McCain.

87 Call up Nicolle Wallace and Steve Schmidt and tell them it's safe for me to bring them into the campaign now

Oh, and see if Rove can be pulled away from the Bushes

88 "Mitt Romney: He doesn't suck as much as those other guys"

Put another way, he's the latest shit sandwich offered up by the Republican Party.

89

I'm already up to Resigned Disgust. Posted by: Cicero

Is that before or after Begruding Acceptance?

90 Stage 4.5 - Murder.

91 Romney isn't the second coming of Ronald Reagan, but I can definitely see him as President.

92 Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2012 04:03 PM (YdQQY)

Yeah, but you think Lincoln was a liberal and Goldwater was barely...barely tolerable.

Still crapping barium sulfate?

93 "You go to war with the army you have, not with the army that you want." - Donald Rumsfeld

94 If I were going to advocate for Mitt Romney, I wouldn't say one negative thing about the people who don't want to vote for him.

I'd focus 100% on how awful Obama is and hope that it sinks in enough.

95 Posted by: dananjcon at April 05, 2012 04:11 PM (8ieXv)

That's awesome.

96

I have been saying this for month.  Instead of simply saying Romney is inevitable or only Romney can beat Obama, why don't Romney supporters actually make the case for him.  And while it is good to show a candidate's flaws, that should never be your only strategy.  At some point you have to give a positive reason to vote for someone.  We will not beat Obama simply because we hate Obama.  That is not enough.  It is a strong start, and is really the only thing that gets you in the race at the start.  But to cross the finish line, you need a positive message of this is why you should vote for me.  I have yet to hear that positive message from Romney or his supporters.  Even once he officially becomes the nomineed, he shouldn't assume he will win all conservatiev voters.  He won't unless he gives us a positive reason to vote for him.  I have begged his supporters to make the conservative case for him.  Sure you can make a moderate case for him, but I - and many of us on this board and many more in the base - are not "moderates."  We are conservatives. 

In fairness, he appears to be getting better.  That may simply be because there are no debates - a setting in which I never thought he shined.  I will not vote for him in the primary whether he is inevitable or not.  If my vote is a protest vote, then that is what it is.  I'm protesting that he is the nominee.  I may vote for him in the general.  But I refuse to simply give him my vote because he is not Obama.  Romney should earn my vote like any other.  Now he may make the sale, he may not.  If he doesn't, sure I'll probably vote for him.  But stop telling me its time to unite around him.  I don't want to unite around him just yet, because he has not sold me as a candidate worth uniting around. 

 

Mitt - actually convince me that you will expend all your political capital repealing Obamacare.  Convince me that you will nominate justices in the likes of Scalia and Thomas.  Convince me that you will reform entitlements, that they are a system that desperately need strategic reforms.  Convince me that you have a core set of principles that you will draw from when the going gets tough.  Do that, and I'll get on board and say its time to unite around you. 

 

But until then, fight on.  If Mitt can't convince people that he is more worthy than Santorum, I'm not sure how he will do against Obama.  And if Newt and Santorum cause Mitt to come a little more to the right so be it.  The one thing I am convinced of is that Mitt needs more vetting.  He is not as polished as he will need to be.  I'm not sure if he will ever get there, but more trial by fire is needed. 

97 It's a bit late to pour oil on waters you spent several months whipping to a froth.

98 >>So let him be inevitable.<< I think I know what this is supposed to mean, but I don't quite agree. Also, it's crap that junior senators feel cocksure enough to start deigning to acknowledge the expressed public will. Can't say I'm a big Rubio fan. Romney is inevitable because he made himself that way. I know it's easy for grumbling "he's a RINO" types to engage in the electoral hedge and steal warmth from the herd of like minds who'd rather grouse than unite, but the fact is, he's put skin in the game, has won the contests he had to win, and the guy represents the one thing so unfortunately--but understandably--uncommon to American politics on either side of the ideological fence: the already-accomplished man who chooses to put his proven skills in the service of his nation. Obama, Clinton(s), Santorum, Gingrich--the list goes on--didn't leave a vastly more lucrative life to put their shoulders to the wheel. Romney is doing that, and I think the man deserves our respect as the kind of American we need more of, and not the kind of lemon-sucking "acceptance" his effort has brought. I know the above sounds like a Romney shill; that's not the way I mean it. I think I'm more conservative than he is. I just think he's worked hard to earn the nomination, I know he'd be vastly better than the incumbent, and I'm hoping to toast him in November and not wonder how many of my coevals stayed home eating bitter herbs because they didn't get their ideal candidate.

99
"Mitt Romney? Bwahahahahahaha..." -- Thomas Jefferson 1804

100 Posted by: Mitt the Inevitable at April 05, 2012 04:11 PM (Y+DPZ)

Rove was surgically implanted on Jeb's ass about three years ago. If you try to remove him it will kill him!

101

Indeed.  Don't get pissed when Romney comes across as moderate on Obama hatred.

You can't expect our candidate to sound like someone who comments here and win.

He's going to have to appeal to people who voted for Obama in 2008 but are looking for a legitimate and reasonable alternative in 2012. I'm talking about the people living in the cities, exurbs and close suburbs. 

We've already got the rural areas.

It's the wishy washy, on the fence types. Obama won by 10 million votes last time. That means Romney needs to convince at least 5.1 million of them to come back to the Republican party.  Mainly in states like Ohio, Pennysylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia, New Hampshire and other states where the Republican party isn't exactly Ace of Spades-type Conservative.

102 "Let people get there on their own. Most will get there." And some will hate that he is there, because at this point, what we've got is sort of like an elderly VHS tape that we've played, and played and played, and our manic friends say they just took the cassette apart and fixed it. We're depressed, because they're trying to convince us to sit through until the ending, and they don't want to tell us any spoilers. These people are annoying. These people are unconvincing. The people telling us to wait and see how it comes out figure they provided the show, it's only fair that we pick up some figurative snacks and beer. It would be nice if they would show us some mercy. They got to pick what to watch, again, now they need to stop telling us we're going to love it. We don't love it. Stop this.

103 We shouldn't have to "win over" republicans or conservatives. If they are still saying they aren't voting for Romney then they're aren't conservatives or repubicans they are libs. You don't vote against Obama then you want Obama. Period.

104 Exhibit B for how to suck at advocating for Romney.

Folks, STFU is simply not going to win over anyone who doesn't want to vote for the guy.

Posted by: Kensington at April 05, 2012 04:10 PM (H84UO)

 

 

Thank you. It's bad enough feeling like you have to cave without having people beating you with a stick and laughing while you're down.

105

Is anyone else wondering about the tone-deafness of the Obama campaign's ad agency, not to mention that of the Mrs. Obama?

"Join Michelle and tell Barack you're in."

Now admittedly, it doesn't say "Join Michelle and tell Barack 'You're in (you stud!).'", but it comes close!  Why are there so many tone-deaf people around BO?  Or does MO have to tell BO when he's in?  I guess that would speak better of him than if the opposite was true.

106 And in the "we were robbed" corner is Vic:
[1.] ten thousand damn worthless debates hosted by the MFM.
[2.] primary order where the blue States determine our nominee

I assume that Vic means by "robbery" that the game was rigged in Romney's favour. It can't be that the game was rigged in Obama's favour because that election hasn't happened yet.

Against [1.]: the debates were bad, but some of them hurt Romney as well. Remember him crying for Anderson Cooper to bail him out of the pummeling Perry was laying down?

Against [2.]: If the red states had voted first, we'd be looking at Perry splitting the vote with Santorum and maybe even Cain. Romney would be a workhorse gathering a consistent level of delegates per race. And then would come the blue states and then Romney would pound the others. A brokered convention becomes more likely. But anyway the whole thing is in "what-if" territory. The order of states just doesn't have enough evidence to suggest a [deliberate] "robbery", IMO.

So, the first argument collapses and the second argument is highly debatable.

107 "You go to war with the army you have, not with the army that you want." - Donald Rumsfeld Posted by: soothsayer at April 05, 2012 04:12 PM (jUytm) If we don't get rid of obama soon, we'll be going to war with only our dicks in our hands

108 Look, I know you're not happy about this outcome and it's going to leave a bad taste, but it is time to concede that something is about to happen in your mouth.

109

"Folks, STFU is simply not going to win over anyone who doesn't want to vote for the guy."

 

You realize not voting for the GOP nominee = voting for Obama, correct?

110 As long as Mitt doesn't pick some icky flyover hick for a running mate, it might be safe for me to say nice things about Republicans again

111 96 If I were going to advocate for Mitt Romney, I wouldn't say one negative thing about the people who don't want to vote for him.

I'd focus 100% on how awful Obama is and hope that it sinks in enough.

Posted by: Kensington at April 05, 2012 04:12 PM (H84UO)

This. We're running against the SCOAMF. ABO, over and over and over again.

112 "Put another way, he's the latest shit sandwich offered up by the Republican Party."

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We will offer you a number of dressings and condiments so that you'll hardly notice the taste.

113 Yeah, but you think Lincoln was a liberal and Goldwater was barely...barely tolerable.

Still crapping barium sulfate?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 05, 2012 04:12 PM (nEUpB)

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Actually I thought Lincoln was a dictator and I campaigned for Goldwater. (put up posters/flyers)

Yes, still tied to the damn toilet squirting BaSo4.

114 romney's "staff" makes Nicole and Steve look like pikers. 

Otherwise, he'd have the base.

115
I was a Perry supporter, but my number one priority is to get the stuttering cluskerfuck of a miserable failure out of the White House.
If it's Romney so be it.

116 Ace, you're smart. But so are Erickson, Riehl, some of the other guys and a whole bunch of girls. So when you shoot off all your ammo, and then conservatives still aren't buying it, and you get all in a huff and say "If we don't win, it will be conservatives' fault" your intelligence is wasted. There isn't a whole lot of difference in the beltway guys wanting to get invited to all the best parties and you NewAge supposedly conservative whiz kids wanting to wink at each other and drink bud lights down at the Dirty Onion. Out of one side of your mouth it's armageddon and defeating the O-team is the only thing. But when push comes to shove you can't help but fall back into the Axelrod Trap. We need a superpatriot, Ace. Not Mitt. And you know it, or you wouldn't even be pretending to joke around about the conning, etc. Your committed slip is NOT showing.

117

Can't stand Mitt, yet I have never looked forward to voting for somebody more - including Reagan.  (And if he somehow fucks it up and loses, I'm going to find him in a public someday and punch him in the face for fucking it up and losing.  ...assuming niether of us have been arrested and subsequently 'misplaced' in detention by our new Fuher.) 

118 Urgh. Massive sock fail.

119 I for one will vote for a Republican president come November even if I have to come back from the dead... although hopefully it won't come to that as the dead literally voting would cause it's own problems.

120 Mitt sucks, but he's the probable nominee. Nothing is gained by voting against Mitt in November, even if he does suck. He will (soon) have won the primaries, in spite of how badly he sucks, because he's the only candidate who ran who has any kind of basic ability to campaign. He's the best we've got. Yes, the best we've got sucks, but their guy sucks more. And while Mitt would suck as a president, he will suck less. It would be nice to elect somebody who would fix things (and didn't suck), but we only have two options soon: stop the bleeding or bleed. Both choices suck. But we've got to vote to stop the bleeding, no matter how much it sucks. Yes it sucks to have to choose between two guys who gave me a healthcare mandate, but I shall vote against the one trying to mothball our fleet and destroy America. P.S. Mitt Romney does suck.

121 70 I'm kind of disturbed by the number of "conservatives" actively working for a second--and more flexible! No more pesky answering to the voters!--term for Obama.


They say it's a matter of principle but it's really about their desire to punish the Establishment.

122 You don't vote against Obama then you want Obama. Period.

More exactly, if you don't vote against Obama then you don't care if Obama becomes presidentus perpetuus.

123 It's a bit late to pour oil on waters you spent several months whipping to a froth. I take it that this is directed towards Ace. I don't think Ace is fluent in jibberish.

124 If Ocare is declared constitutional, does anyone think Romney won't veto a repeal?  For that matter, if it's found constitutional, will congress even take repeal up?

125 "Mitt Romney? Bwahahahahahaha..." -- Thomas Jefferson 1804


Jefferson was the archetypal flip-flopper.  Thank G-d, since we wouldn't have gotten the Lousianna Purchase, otherwise.  Maybe Mittens can surprise, too?  I'm getting into general election mode, now ...  I just wish Mittens would be as nasty and underhanded in going after the Indonesian Imbecile as Jefferson would have been.

126

"It's one thing to think you lost a big game. If you think you were outplayed, you accept it. If you decide that the refs took the game from you..."

Fwiw,  I was making this same point during the Herman  Cain collapse and was more then a few times pestered for being a delusional Cain supporter by Ace.  Maybe I didn't make my angle clear enough the time.

Then as now, the situation is:

*Yes its costing money for a lost cause

*yes its builds increased tension among the party

*yes its something that must be allowed to play out to not disenfranchise those large swaths of the GOP who were never going to feel real connected to Romney.

To me way back during the Cain - Perry collapses a Romney and a borderline disenfranchised base was pretty much the expected outcome and biggest obstacle to removing Obama.  We all got to pick someone else and have our time in the sun and for the most part our Ideas got Camera time.  Like I mentioned yesterday the literally hundreds of people Romney will bring in with him and I can content myself with that.

Future looks brighter then it did.  Even much Obamas base increasingly approaches his claims skeptically.  Even Mitch McConnel for the first time since he was 12 reached into his pants and found a pair.

There seems to be more then a few Big dinosaur types that have abandoned Obama.  Those few hundred "Immelt" types punch wayyy above their weight and don't bother with schoolyard bluff.  Also they leave a trail of corpsemen. ok ill stop

127 It's over, even Santorum knows it

128

I wanted Perry....so secret there.

 

But something that will make it a lot easier to vote for Romney, would be to see him start hitting Barky as hard as he has been hitting the other candidates. ....It would show me that he's a fighter....against the real enemy. The  enemy of our freedom. ....Instead of simply taking shots at people on his own side.

 

Romney has started making a few 'soft' blows, in his mild-mannered way. ....But I want to see some body blows. ....Some hits so hard that Debbie WhatsernameShitz starts bleeding out of her eyes.

129 Overeem, #2 UFC heavyweight fighter, got busted with testosterone levels 14x a normal male. Actually, it's his testosterone to epitestosterone ratio which was 14x. 4x is the legal max for most sports that do drug testing. Nevada allows 6x for fighters cause Nevada is crooked. Guy is built like a cartoon character.

130 Indeed. Don't get pissed when Romney comes across as moderate on Obama hatred.
You can't expect our candidate to sound like someone who comments here and win.

Conservative. Posted by: Ben at April 05, 2012 04:13 PM

No, but please let us not have a repeat of "you have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency"

131 I freely admit Rick has low odds in a general and Newt even lower.  However I assess Romney's as so close to zero that only a total economic meltdown of such a scale that all the kings horses and all the kings men (media, banks, etc) can't keep Humpty Dumpty at least appearing to still be alive until election day could possibly drag Romney over the finish line.

The guy has been running for at least six years now and can't seal the deal with Republicans, who are inclined to actually consider his business experience and religious based morals as positives.  But nobody, repeat nobody believes he actually HAS positions to be accused later of changing.  The whole Occupy movement was created from scratch specifically in the belief Romney, The Poster Child of the 1%, would be the opponent in the general.  (And if we aren't stupid enough... the stupid party... they will help nominate him for us.)

Now imagine how every television outlet is hard at work on a series of Mormon bashing 'news' stories for airing as soon as Romney really has this thing sewed up to the point we can't get out of the deal; we will be ready to vomit by election day at the levels of religious intolerance being spewed daily.  We will get a steady rotation of Mormons and bigamy/child rape, crazy Mormons and their magic underwear, Other Crazy Stuff Mormons believe, Why Mormons eat puppies for breakfast, and so on.  While of course Rev. Wright will remain strictly off limits and anyone breaking that rule gets branded a racist and driven from polite society.

Meanwhile, Romney will (because it is what RINOs do..) will be abandoning conservative positions daily from the nomination to the election, throwing conservatives under the bus every time we try to launch the attacks on Obama he refuses to do, etc.  In short he will be trying his damndest to force as many of our team to stay home as he possibly can, in the great tradition of McCain, Dole, Bush (the elder) and so on.

This is going to get ugly.  By election day our team will be even more demoralized than we were in late 2008.  We will have debased ourselves trying to drag this loser, that so many of us rightly predicted is a loser, across the finish line... but we will brainwash ourselves into believing because we MUST STOP OBAMA.  Only to watch Obama get sworn in for round two, this time with feeling!  Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Anybody wants me to join Team Romney had better first be able to show me a flaw in that reasoning.

132 Good post Ace.

Romney was never my favorite, but I can live with him.

We can't let the desire for the perfect destroy the possibility of the good (or in this case, just the possibility of the better)

I wanted to like Santorum as he seems to be the most conservative, but he is also the least clever. He takes everything at face value and does not understand how to finesse or even just ignore the small stuff.

Gingrich is actually my favorite because he has all the cleverness and genius that Santorum is missing but he is a victim of his own intellect, open-mindedness and need to explore and experiment. I kind of get where a lot of his gaffes (Pelosi on the couch, etc) come from because I can see myself possibly doing similar things in his situation - as much for the experience and the experiment to see what would happen more than a real ideological flip flop.

But the stalwart, incorruptable image that Santorum projects (for better or worse) is something that Gingrich simply can never muster. There is something deep within the American psyche - probably latent echoes of the Enlightenment - that puts extreme intellect and extreme moral uprightness at odds. It's not that very smart people can't be good - it's that they can't be VERY good - and very good people can't be seen as very smart.

I think this (is one thing that) separates the right from the left - the left EXPECTS the smartest to be the most moral and they often conflate the two both in their appearance and absence - the important people on the Right are always evil and stupid (although not always on the same day) where as their people are always incredibly brilliant AND morally pure.

When you see them trying to reshape the narrative, it's often because this canon has been violated in some way - Bill Clinton had to be absolved of his sins and Sarah Palin has to be made stupid.

So I'm OK with Romney - let's get on with setting things right.

133 131...."no" secret there

134

So at long last, we now come to that point in time where the indecisive and the irresolute, the independent minded menu using non-buffet feeders and admirers of your work may once again hold our heads up and bring the election home, I presume. Our shame at being irresolute, obviously irresolute in all things, can now be set aside. I rejoice...or stay home.

135 You don't vote against Obama then you want Obama. Period.

More exactly, if you don't vote against Obama then you don't care if Obama becomes presidentus perpetuus.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 05, 2012 04:16 PM (QTHTd)

2012: Obama vs. America

136 I just got out of the shower so I couldn't set my hair on fire if I wanted to.

137 Look, I know you're not happy about this outcome and it's going to leave a bad taste, but it is time to concede that something is about to happen in your mouth.

I laughed out loud.

138 Posted by: Ben at April 05, 2012 04:13 PM (wuv1c)

Fuck that! I want scorched earth. I want Obama curled up in a ball, crying and kicking and screaming for his mommy.

I want blood.

139 Thank God we defeated Santorum, the #1 threat to our por--I mean Republic. Now if you'll excuse me. Posted by: The Last True Conservative Online at April 05, 2012 04:16 PM (60GaT) Santorum defeated himself. He did not need any help from us. And the Tigers beat the Red Soxs in extra innings

140 Seriously the terrible formatting I can blame on minxy.. the mistspelling r my own fault.

141 "We shouldn't have to "win over" republicans or conservatives. If they are still saying they aren't voting for Romney then they're aren't conservatives or repubicans they are libs. You don't vote against Obama then you want Obama. Period."

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Do you want to be right, or do you want to defeat Obama. If being right is more important to you, then keep insulting voters who call themselves as conservatives and don't like Mitt Romney.

If you want to defeat Obama, you should try a different approach.

Your call, but why you'd want to spend your time insulting the people you need I'll never understand.

142 >>>Ace, you're smart. But so are Erickson, Riehl, some of the other guys and a whole bunch of girls. So when you shoot off all your ammo, and then conservatives still aren't buying it, and you get all in a huff and say "If we don't win, it will be conservatives' fault" your intelligence is wasted. There isn't a whole lot of difference in the beltway guys wanting to get invited to all the best parties and you NewAge supposedly conservative whiz kids wanting to wink at each other and drink bud lights down at the Dirty Onion. Grievance-mongering. I don't even know what the Dirty Onion is. >>>Out of one side of your mouth it's armageddon and defeating the O-team is the only thing. But when push comes to shove you can't help but fall back into the Axelrod Trap. I'm falling into the Axelrod Trap? Funny, you sound more like a recruit to his cause. >>>We need a superpatriot, Ace. Not Mitt. And you know it, or you wouldn't even be pretending to joke around about the conning, etc. Your committed slip is NOT showing. A "superpatriot"? I'm an adult, man. You know what I need? I need a fucking Porche. And yet, I can't afford it. You have a lot of "needs" and no plausible path for fulfilling those needs, except, I guess, spouting off in an internet comment area. So just keep on listing these "needs," man. It's very, very manly to just kvetch and complain without any actual plan of action.

143 Fuck that! I want scorched earth. I want Obama curled up in a ball, crying and kicking and screaming for his mommy. I want blood. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 05, 2012 04:18 PM (nEUpB) Yup blood and liberals jumping off bridges

144 I'm at peace with Romney as the Republican candidate (I have a rule that I may only find a single candidate completely unacceptable, and that one was Ron Paul). However, I do recommend that the Romney campaign pick this up as its theme song:

http://tinyurl.com/ahly5c

145 You can't expect our candidate to sound like someone who comments here and win.

In my dreams EoJ is the GOP nominee and he relentlessly assaults Obozo and his clown college with some of his best shit.

146 I would say if people sit out two elections in a row then they have no gripe if the party seeks to replace them.

147 Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2012 04:15 PM (YdQQY)

So you didn't believe the MBM that Goldwater was beyond the pale, that he would be the end of America?

148 "Hose" is better.

149

Romney may be alot of things, but he doesn't pal around with terrorists, worship Saul Alsinsky, doesn't seem to be a race-baiter, and won't sell us out to the Russians. I doubt that here will be a Che Christmas ornament.

You may think the GOP establishment pushed Romney upon you. I still don't see wonderful conservative savior who got pushed out of the way.

Unless you're one of those "let it burn, and let Obama do it" people (and there's a part of me that is being pulled in that direction), there's no excuse for sitting this one out.

 

150 I don't relish the idea of voting for mittens, but do you really want scoamf appointing up to 3 more Supreme Court Justices?

151 This isn't about Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney, to me, is just a suit, just a name on the ballot. I'm not on Team Romney. Since November 5th, 2008 I've been on Team Get That Muthafucka Obama Out of the White House. That's what team I'm on.

152 67 Ok Ace. So finally. I've been saying this for a while esp to those who keep attacking Romney from the left because he isn't conservative enough for them. It's time to stfu and start to work on how to get rid of Obama. Everyone has heard all the anti-Romney crap. It's not cute anymore. No one cares if certain people are disappointed. Posted by: dagny doesn't want to forget Andrew at April 05, 2012 04:08 PM (CMM9V)*** The kind of "fuck you" post that makes Ron Paul look like a tempting alternative.

153 111 "Folks, STFU is simply not going to win over anyone who doesn't want to vote for the guy."

At this late date, it is still necessary to convince people on the right that voting against Obama is the thing to do and that they should stop beating down Romney because he is the apparent nominee. Really? There is someone on this blog that is that dumb? And they can read? And they can type nasty things about Romney because.......................why? Because they still, STILL, want to what? Vote for Obama? That makes no sense.

154 Posted by: Curious at April 05, 2012 04:14 PM (kaOJx)

Are you sure you want to use that nic?

155 I came to terms with Romney a long time ago.  Obama is a skidmark on the underwear of civilized society and I want his lazy, malevolent ass booted the fuck out of the White House. Nothing else matters.

156 I think we just need to scream more about Obama being a Marxist to win. If that doesn't work we could say he's *fucking* Marxist. Or maybe a goddamn, fucking Marxist traitor. That should convince those swing voters. Just go up to random suburban white women and scream, "Obama is a goddam, fucking Marxist traitor!! Vote Romney!." I don't see how that strategy could fail. I suggest we camp out in front of grocery stores and pharmacies and scream this at the suburban white women exiting the store.

157 150 I would say if people sit out two elections in a row then they have no gripe if the party seeks to replace them. Posted by: Shiggz RocketSurgeon at April 05, 2012 04:19 PM (RfvTE)** And I would say, if the party makes people sit out two elections in a row--what party?

158
Don't Hate Me Because I'm Beautiful

159 Fuck that! I want scorched earth. I want Obama curled up in a ball, crying and kicking and screaming for his mommy.

I want blood.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 05, 2012 04:18 PM (nEUpB)

Yup blood and liberals jumping off bridges

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 05, 2012 04:18 PM (i6RpT)

 

 

Keep talking like that and you'll have me at stage 5 and buying a corn shaped vibrator.

160 Yes it sucks to have to choose between two guys who gave me a healthcare mandate

At least Romney only gave it to Massholes, and has stated he won't give it to anyone else.  People can leave that state if they want.  Obama gave it to everybody.

161 In my dreams EoJ is the GOP nominee and he relentlessly assaults Obozo and his clown college with some of his best shit.

Number of ejaculations:  12.5

162

"Your call, but why you'd want to spend your time insulting the people you need I'll never understand."

 

Anyone who claims to be anti Obama yet needs to be begged to vote against him is either lying or a moron (the bad kind). Your choice.

 

163 You realize not voting for the GOP nominee = voting for Obama, correct?

Way number 2 not to convince the doubters.  "Vote for my guy or your voting for Obama!" is what they hear.  And they know it's crap- a vote not cast is... a vote not cast.  It doesn't factor in on either candidate's side.  And they know that.

If Mittens and his supporters want the rest of the GOP to support him, they're going to have to stop with that crap line and accept the fact we have some serious doubts- and then go about attempting to assuage them.

Directly comment on his liberal record on judges- and not with "well he was in MA, what did you want him to do?"  Directly comment on RomneyCare- same rule.  This is not an exhaustive list, by the way.

164 155 So go ahead and vote for Ron Paul. So Obama can win. That's what you must want.

165 >>>Put another way, he's the latest shit sandwich offered up by the Republican Party. Offered up by? You mean they created this product and then attempted to force you to buy it? We just had five or six months of voting for a candidate. What was that? I thought that was a guy winning the most votes and delegates. But you think it was "offered up" by "The Republican Party"?

166 They're comparing him, I believe, not to Santorum and Gingrich, but to hypothetical candidates they would really prefer, yes, a Generic Republican.

167 So just keep on listing these "needs," man. It's very, very manly to just kvetch and complain without any actual plan of action.

Posted by: ace at April 05, 2012 04:18 PM (nj1bB)

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What we "need" is to make the primary voting order by percent vote for the last Republican candidate. And, we need to replace the old Rockefeller wing of the Party with conservatives. 

WHEN Mutt gets the nod we will see after the convention how it is going. I have never thought that he was "magically" the best one to beat Vomit. The States he is strong in the primaries in are ones in which it is doubtful a Republican will win anyway.  The States that normally vote Republican he is weak in. 

And once he does get the nod if he loses to Vomit it will destroy the Republican Party. The Party can not survive two 2008's in a row.

168 Does anyone else think this business with the 5th circuit is smoke and mirrors cause he already know he won 6 to 3? No curious, if Kagan told him he won 6-3, instead of losing 5-4, he'd be doing a 'I killed Osama' style victory lap instead of insulting the Supreme Court. He's a child and cannot control his emotions.

169 >>They say it's a matter of principle but it's really about their desire to punish the Establishment.

Well, at least they'll have that to cling to when the local Medical Resource Ethics Panel decides they're too old and white to waste anything more expensive than aspirin.

170 62 The sad part is that he beat out other candidates that in hindsight would make a lot of people waaay more comfortable. But he went to the back, melded into the woodwork and watched the blogsphere chop up the other candidates into little tiny pieces for him.

Marco thinks it's him. That pawlenty guy thinks it's him.

Maybe daily caller thinks it's michelle. The paulbots think it's him or his son.

And the Palinbots thinks it's her. Oh and the Newt folks think it could be no

one else but him.

Sadly, the VP candidate might be the only thing that saves the guy with the

base. And he's going to pick the governor of Virginia to appeal to the south.

Posted by: which at April 05, 2012 04:07 PM (oZfic)

Close the thread.  Curious has spoken.

171
Posted by: Curious at April 05, 2012 04:14 PM (kaOJx)


Are you new here?
If so welcome.
Also you my want to consider a different nic.
There some bad juju in that name.

172 "At this late date, it is still necessary to convince people on the right that voting against Obama is the thing to do and that they should stop beating down Romney because he is the apparent nominee. Really? "

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Uh, yeah. They chime in on almost every post. But go ahead and keep insulting them, because you're right, and apparently that's more important than winning them over.

Not a stupid, self-defeating strategy at all.

173 Oh brother...talk about over. Newt filed for bankruptcy.

174 Since November 5th, 2008 I've been on Team Get That Muthafucka Obama Out of the White House.

That's what team I'm on.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 05, 2012 04:20 PM (jUytm)

Exactly, Barry has acted like a commie thug up till now,  I'd hate to see what he'll do if he has more "flexibility.

175 I am for Anybody but obama and come Romney's assumption of the prospective Republican Nominee, I will be officially 100% behind him with NO reservations, because I am afraid what America would look like after 4 more years of communist rule.

176 So you didn't believe the MBM that Goldwater was beyond the pale, that he would be the end of America?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 05, 2012 04:19 PM (nEUpB)

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I wouldn't believe the MFM if they told me the Sun was rising in the East tomorrow. 

177

Excuse the curious sock from earlier.

 

And yes, if you don't vote for the nominee you are actively helping Obama get re elected.

 

178 I waited by the phone.

179 Also, we should scream about Obama launching a race war. But with lots of cursing. Like -"Did you know that Obama is a fucking racist and is launching a fucking race war!??! Huh!??! Vote Romney." I should be in charge of the GOP outreach campaign. I got lots of ideas to capture those swing voter pussy motherfuckers we need to win the election.

180 177 Oh brother...talk about over. Newt filed for bankruptcy.

Posted by: dananjcon at April 05, 2012 04:25 PM (8ieXv)

Where are you seeing that?  Callista leaves in 3...2...1....

181 A vote not cast certainly does impact the candidate. You have to get MORE votes than the other guy. Not just come up with percentages. All the republicans can stay home during the primaries and the one that gets the most votes is the nominee but when we run against the dem, turnout is the most important thing there is.

182 listen up idiots here comes a master class in political

any one that would vote for romeny doesnt not even care

about bears or a health care for children with broken legs or sickness

or equal right for black and chinese or a gay guy to get marriage

maybe you clowns can try thinking about it for a while

omg get a clue idiots

#JusticeForTradell

183 Once again, the reason to vote for Romney is because if you don't you support Obama.  Please give me the history of presidents who have won simply by not being the other guy.  Voters must want to vote for you.  It is good to have a lot of voters who want to vote the other guy out.  As I said that gets you in the race.  But if you don't have voters who actually want to vote for you, you will not win.  See Kerry.  See Clinton.  See Reagan.  I'm not expecting Romney to hold all the conservative positions of the conservatives on this board.  But he if holds himself out as dem-lite, that will not win over voters.  You don't win over the indepents who pay no attention to politics until the October by offering a mild version of what you have.  You win them over by offering them something different, something worth voting for.  You can't say Obama stinks so vote for me.  You must say Obama stinks, here is how I'm different, this is how it will benefit you, so vote for me.

184 Has anyone brought up Sarah Palin yet? She may be our only hope.
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 05, 2012 04:09 PM
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The plans for the battlestation are in MY PANTS!

185 125 It's a bit late to pour oil on waters you spent several months whipping to a froth. I take it that this is directed towards Ace. I don't think Ace is fluent in jibberish. Posted by: soothsayer at April 05, 2012 04:16 PM (jUytm)*** I take it you are unfamiliar with the commonplace "pour oil on troubled waters"; otherwise this is a non sequitur. And you're just the homeliest of his shield-maidens, but by all means, throw yourself forth in His name.

186

I like Rubio, but lately he's testing my patience.

187 Conservative Radio Hose of the Year. Posted by: ace at April 05, 2012 04:04 PM (nj1bB) ****** I'm Canadian!?

188 I'll ask again.  Does anyone think Romney will sign a repeal of Ocare if it's found to be constitutional?  And, also, will congress even take repeal up if Ocare is found constitutional?

189 AllenG is right.  Mittens needs to come to us, not us to him.  I understand that he doesn't want to do it publicly and scare that mythical independent, uncommitted voter by taking a position.  But, at least do it by proxy.  Go to conservative leaders, in the smoke filled room, and cut some deals.

190 I'm thinking of moving to Puerto Rico or some other US territory where I won't be eligible to vote.

191 u mad, broseph?

192 >>>r thought that he was "magically" the best one to beat Vomit. The States he is strong in the primaries in are ones in which it is doubtful a Republican will win anyway. The States that normally vote Republican he is weak in. States like Wisconsin and Michigan? They're in play. I don't know what you want me to say, Vic. We had a vote. It was a fair vote. People disagreed with you. Some agreed, but more disagreed. What's your plan now? You want to re-do the primaries, or what? Are you doing anything more than *venting*, is what I'm getting at. Do you have an actual plan? Is there some ACTION you are proposing, or is this just words?

193 If you like your Obama, you can keep your Obama!

194 @164 yeah, at least Mitt only did it to me. Honestly, fuck me and everybody I know. I could leave my house, job, and relatives and move to another state. It's trivial. I think all health mandates are bad. But I care enough to oppose them on people outside MA.

195

ok Ace...this is too far down the comment stream for you to see it, but, I've gone from "I will under no circumstances Vote for Mitt Obromney" to..."ok, OK, anyone but that guy that is currently in the office of the President of the United States."

I'll vote for Mitt. Just don't ask me to like it.

 

196 Uh, yeah. They chime in on almost every post. But go ahead and keep insulting them, because you're right, and apparently that's more important than winning them over.

Not a stupid, self-defeating strategy at all.

Posted by: Kensington at April 05, 2012 04:25 PM (H84UO)

Sorry, but they are liberals who say that. They want people to stay home. Reinforcing their propaganda is the stupid tactic.

197 Vote for whoever the fuck you want. You know the consequences.

198 And when Mitt Romney picks Marco Rubio as his running mate, we will celebrate. Because the election will be ours.

199 >>And they know it's crap- a vote not cast is... a vote not cast. It doesn't factor in on either candidate's side.

I know math is racist and all...but I'm going to employ it to show you're wrong.

Obama 49 votes, Romney 51 votes = Romney 51%
Obama 49 votes, Romney 48 votes = Obama 50.5%

Not voting because you're throwing a tantrum about Romney favors Obama.

200 #JusticeForTradell You should really do an -alt-universe Canseco and have him be pro Zimmerman- #JusticeForDreidel

201 Drew - you'll still be able to vote in the primary though.  Can someone explain that to me.  Why does Guam have any say in who the republicans (or dems for that matter) nominate?

202 If Newt just filed for bankruptcy then he just made the whole party look stupid and corrupt.

203 As to the mandate in MA, Romney's options were "mandate" or "single payer socialized medicine."

We forget just how little power a red governor has in a blue state.

204 192 I'll ask again. Does anyone think Romney will sign a repeal of Ocare if it's found to be constitutional? And, also, will congress even take repeal up if Ocare is found constitutional?

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2012 04:27 PM (KhmDD)

I've heard him state he absolutely would, on Fox I believe.

205 Directly comment on his liberal record on judges- and not with "well he was in MA, what did you want him to do?" Directly comment on RomneyCare- same rule. This is not an exhaustive list, by the way.

Well, what if Romney actually makes the federalist case?  He's given a little lip service to the issue, but suppose he studied up on the issue and gave a serious Tenth Amendment defense?  At that point, the "Mass versus US" point would be, in itself, a substantive reason to vote for Romney.

206 Never ever underestimate the Democrat's power to do the impossible- Unite Republicans. It'll happen just let 'em go....

207 I'm ready to bend over and take it right in the Mitten....we've already taken it in the O far too long.

208 Huzzah.

209 I didn't read all that, but... Rubio is a dirty, dirty RINO.

210 I don't mind a candidate with moderate positions

I mind a candidate with a moderate desire to win

211

oh yeah, i almost forgot....

fuck Romney!

212 No, I don't know what that means either.

213 We're voting against Obama, which means voting for whomever. That's what you get. This habit of ceaseless, unending apologetics and smarmy justifications comes off as nervous, and weaselly. At some point it's not really about Romney, it's about the people who advocate for him. I expect to see these huge pro-Romney essays frequently, all the way until Election Day. Please disappoint me. Please.

214 "I'll ask again. Does anyone think Romney will sign a repeal of Ocare if it's found to be constitutional?"

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I think it's a moot question because the GOP won't have the balls to move a repeal through Congress even if they retake the Senate.

But if that happens I do believe Romney will sign it. It would be political suicide if he vetoed it.

215

I'll ask again. Does anyone think Romney will sign a repeal of Ocare if it's found to be constitutional? And, also, will congress even take repeal up if Ocare is found constitutional?

 

I think he would sign it. It would cost him much, much more to not sign it. Congress, eh, that's another story.

216 Look, the halfwits who are going to think it's all a big conspiracy, that "The Establishment" rigged the primaries to "cram Romney down our throats" already believe that crap.  They are stupid, you can't get through to stupid people.  You can't fix stupid.

They have been saying that baloney the whole time, and I see no reason to stop mocking them.  Shame is how we learn in a civil society. 

From what I've seen, Newt's supporters seem more realistic about things.  At least they aren't whining like the Santorum crybabies. 

217 Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2012 04:27 PM (KhmDD)

He'll sign it if it magically shows up on his desk.

Will he fight for it and spend political capital to make it happen? That's a different issue.

218 Don't want to vote for Romney? Okay. Imagine what happens if they get just one more left winger on the Supreme Court.

219 The Keys to Victory 1. The Court rules against part or all of Obamacare 2. Obama's "recovery" continues apace 3. Marco Rubio on the ticket 4. Profit

220 Do you have any Grey Poupon?

221 If Newt just filed for bankruptcy then he just made the whole party look stupid and corrupt. Posted by: dagny doesn't want to forget Andrew at April 05, 2012 04:30 PM (CMM9V) Yeah like we need any help doing that?

222 Didn't Mitt refuse his salary as Gov. of MA?  Also refused to accept a salary when he chaired the Olympics.

It would be interesting to hear him tell the country that as president he wouldn't accept a salary, and that further, while we're at war he wouldn't be caught taking lavish vacations and golfing.

That would warm me up to him.

223 Exit question: 

Is Santorum holding out:

A.  To raise his profile for a sweet Fox News gig and/or a 2016/2020 run?
B.  Out of spite / ego?
C.  Because he's actually delusional enough to believe what he says about delegates nominating him at a brokered convention?

Conventional wisdom usually would point to A (Huckabee) or B (Newt)... but I have a sneaking suspicion that with Santorum it's mostly C.

224 Must be a bad poll day for the SCOAMF

Greg the Poll Troll isn't here to gloat about the Obama polling juggernaut

225 I am voting for Romney because I want to get drunk again to have fun and not just to forget!

226 Another idea. We constantly call Obama a liberal fascist. But not just that. We call him a liberal *fucking* fascist. That's a swing vote winner right there. Eco-nazi, liberal fucking fascist. I know swing voters. I'm a people fucking person. And swing voters are sheep you gotta shock em into compliance. Strategy should be "fuck this" and "nazi that" and "traitor this" and "motherfucking that". Swing voters respond to the strong horse and strong horses call people fucking progressive leftist traitor fucktards. It works. Trust me. Fucktard is a great one. Works best on 30-somethings. A little too edge for the older suburban woman, but the 30-something with toddlers will respond will to a pamphlet and a couple "Obama is a fucktard. Vote Romney" speeches. Never underestimate the power of a fucktard.

227

Ace, you'll  feel better   after you sift through some  of Marco's refuse.

228 There some bad juju in that name.

I'm not Jewish!

229 >>>You win them over by offering them something different, something worth voting for. You can't say Obama stinks so vote for me. You must say Obama stinks, here is how I'm different, this is how it will benefit you, so vote for me. Well I don't like Santorum or Gingrich so what would I do? Or do I not count? This is what's going on: Many of you are displeased at the fact that Romney has appealed to more voters than your guy. Right? But you don't seem to mind the opposite outcome-- you'd be happy if Santorum (or Gingrich) was winning ,and therefore *I* was displeased, right? And what would you say to me in that situation? "Suck it up" or something to that effect, right? Romney wasn't chosen randomly. We've had 20 contests so far and he's won most of them. Most votes, most delegates. So your proposal is what? That we give up on the guy that 40% of the party is okay with, and say "The hell with them," and give it to a guy that 30% like? Or 12% like? You're essentially arguing for a Minority Veto -- that is, you get to veto the result, even if you're in the minority. In other words, you privilege your own vote more than mine. It should have more weight, basically. You get a veto, whereas I don't. I'm really tired of implications along those lines. I understand why people think this if they don't bother to think about it -- but if you do think about it, it makes no sense. It's essentially calling for a Tiers of voters.

230 >>Why does Guam have any say in who the republicans (or dems for that matter) nominate?

In a thread bitching that "we got no say!!!" you insist Republicans who live in Guam should have no say?

That's kinda funny.  And the exact same "logic" employed by the anti-Walker scrunts stinking up Madison for the past 14 months. 

231 No, really. Huzzah.

232 "Sorry, but they are liberals who say that. They want people to stay home. Reinforcing their propaganda is the stupid tactic."

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Tell that to DrewM.

233 Jimmy Carter won because he wasn't Nixon's handpicked vp. So there is one who won because he wasn't the other guy.

234 I appreciate Ace's honesty about who Romney is and what his limitations are.

What might help is if some of his more enthusiastic supporters stopped making him out to be all sorts of awesome.

Yesterday I had a big Romney supporter on Twitter tell me Mitt's previous support for Cap and Trade showed he just wanted to deal with pollution and there was nothing wrong with being moderate on that issue.

Seriously Team Mittens...stop trying to help him so much.

235 You think Obama is smug and arrogant now, just wait until he's given a 2nd term. You think he lies shamelessly now, just wait. You think he's corrupt now? Oh, you just wait. And you think he's done a lot of damage now ... you ain't seen nothing yet.

Just picture his smug, entitled, RACIST fucking face up there next to his nasty bitch wife as he's sworn in. Think about how HAPPY the national media will be. Oh, won't it be fun!

236 States like Wisconsin and Michigan? They're in play.
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I am not so sure of that.  It has been a long time since either State went Red.  I am not counting any chickens until they are in the pot and cooked. And I don't consider any national polls reliable right now.



As for what to do, I thought I said that.  Change the primary rules and get the Rockefeller wing out of the Party.



It is too late to help this election, but it may save the party down the road.  Let's face it ace, the strength of the Republican Party no longer lies in the NE.

237

Anybody wants me to join Team Romney had better first be able to show me a flaw in that reasoning.

 

No flaw at all child, your last paragraph proves that you are as psychic as am I.

238 @207 Mitt did not go mandate for our sins. He went mandate because he liked them. But, this is not about Mitt sucking. That is common knowledge. We must now unite against Soetero.

239 I'm ready to bend over and take it right in the Mitten....we've already taken it in the O far too long.

Trust me, after a while you kind of get used to it.

240

Dear Condoleezza,  ... oh forget it. Stay where you are and be happy. Mitt will surely find someone we can all like as a VP contender.

241 Drew, you think it will take a lot of heavy lifting by Romney to convince the public that they want ObamaCare repealed? Despite the fact that 59% already think that?

242 Not voting because you're throwing a tantrum about Romney favors Obama.

No.  Still not a "vote for Obama."

See, a "vote for Obama" would look like this, using your numbers:

Obama 49 votes, Romney 51 votes = Romney 51%
Obama 50 votes, Romney 50 votes = Tie

Now, to show me not voting:

Obama 49 votes, Romney 51 votes = Romney 51%
Obama 49 votes, Romney 50 votes = Romney ~50.5%

See how those are different?  So maybe instead of blaming those who are still uncomfortable with Romney, Romney and his staff should be blamed for not trying to make them more comfortable.

His entire campaign has been to make him the "least objectionable."  But least objectionable to whom?  To the people who don't pay attention until the last minute, and who would vote for Obama again.  Why didn't he care to try to make actual conservatives comfortable? 

One logical (not the only, but one of them) is that he isn't conservative.  If that's the case, I don't think he gets to count on my vote.  And, no, I won't accept your emotional blackmail over the fact that he failed to address my concerns in any substantive way.

243 239 You think Obama is smug and arrogant now, just wait until he's given a 2nd term. You think he lies shamelessly now, just wait. You think he's corrupt now? Oh, you just wait. And you think he's done a lot of damage now ... you ain't seen nothing yet.

Just picture his smug, entitled, RACIST fucking face up there next to his nasty bitch wife as he's sworn in. Think about how HAPPY the national media will be. Oh, won't it be fun!



Jeebus.  Thanks for that image.  *grabs bottle of Valu-Rite and downs the whole thing*

244 hahaha @ the imaginary "Team Romney" you guys just won't quit with that nonsense

245 >>>Yesterday I had a big Romney supporter on Twitter tell me Mitt's previous support for Cap and Trade showed he just wanted to deal with pollution and there was nothing wrong with being moderate on that issue. And yet, apparently, there doesn't seem anything wrong with it when Newt Gingrich writes books advancing the Global Warming agenda.

246 Posted by: Kensington at April 05, 2012 04:34 PM (H84UO)

I've never said people should stay home.

My feeling on Mitt is, "Sorry, if you live in a swing state, you're going to have to vote for him".

247 I'll vote for Mitt. Just don't ask me to like it.

A quadruple shot of whisky before hitting the polls helps.  If it wasn't for the option of voting drunk, McCain would've got beaten by an even wider margin.

Pro tip- the little booths you see people standing in at the polling station are NOT urinals.

248 Regarding the justices.  Yes I imagine the next President will get to choose, but probably only replace one from their side.  This is not good because it removes old seats you have a chance of flipping by placing younger versions in them.  You also run the risk that one of you seats just checks out - physically or mentally - so you really do lose a seat.  While I would rather have Mitt nominate a justices over Obama, I'm not certain the result will be any different.  A lot of Republican presidents have nominated some pretty liberal justices.  Would Mitt make this mistake.  Maybe not.  But when Reid and company start threatening to filibuster will Mitt stick with someone conservative or give in on someone who Reid is more willing to support.  Its a question, I would like Mitt to address more strongly.

249 >>It has been a long time since either State went Red.

Wisconsin flipped the governor, both houses of the Assembly, their senator, and a couple of Congressional districts to Republicans in 2010.

That's not "red"[sic] enough for you? Are you for real?

250 "Is he ultra-conservative? No, but I do believe he is conservative."

Here's my problem.  He still thinks government, somehow, is the solution to the health-care "problem".  It's not - except to the extent that the solution is LESS government (it's over-involved now).

As long as he thinks more government involvement (and he accepts the fact that a mandate is wrong for any unit of government), I can't really accept that he is a principled conservative.

A conservative-for-convenience, maybe.  But not in principle.

251 Ace, you HAVE to put up a thread, or at least a sidebar on this one, it's just too funny!

MSNBC duped: Network runs satirical fake news from Daily Kos as a real story

http://tinyurl.com/7tjxhsm

252

Oh, won't it be fun!

 

Posted by: Warden at April 05, 2012 04:35 PM (wsXTf)

 

 

Can you imagine the billion dollar White House gala he'd throw if he wins?

253 >>>As for what to do, I thought I said that. Change the primary rules and get the Rockefeller wing out of the Party. First we start by making a smaller, regional party? Tell me more.

254 Put another way, he's the latest shit sandwich offered up by the Republican Party.

Offered up by? You mean they created this product and then attempted to force you to buy it?

We just had five or six months of voting for a candidate.

What was that?

I thought that was a guy winning the most votes and delegates.

But you think it was "offered up" by "The Republican Party"?

When you start with shit and bread you're going to get a shit sandwich.  There is no amount of bread that makes it not a shit sandwich.

255 Just this week, as the primary has come closer to being wrapped up, we've seen Romney pivot to attacking Obama, and lining up the general election strategy. There's a fair amount of red meat there. Don't toss it out because it's stew meat, and not prime rib.

256 Team Romney = Romney's checkbook

257 Romney has to be better than McCain and throw us conservatives a few bones, and place at the table. A "shut up, donate, and sit quietly at the back of the bus" attitude won't cut it. Other than that, I for one welcome our new Romney Overlords.

258 Romney will be an adequate president, at a time when we need an extraordinary one.  But, he will not the Avenging Angel of the Third World that Barry SCoaMF has turned out to be.   Buying a little time is always better than rushing over the cliff.

... The king may die, I may die, or, just maybe, the horse will learn to sing.

259 After the primaries are over, Romney can be more 'flexible'.

260 Hey I'm okay with Romney. He cleans up right nice.

 

261 So ... what you're saying is "second look at Gary Johnson?"

262 >>See how those are different?

See how you're not the only one on this thread making your asinine argument?  If a a couple percent of "I'm better than you sell-outs" conservatives depress, we get more Obama.

Does that make you "comfortable"?

263 Drew, you think it will take a lot of heavy lifting by Romney to convince the public that they want ObamaCare repealed?
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2012 04:36 PM (nj1bB)

I think it'll take a lot of heavy lifting to get it through reconciliation. I think it'll take a lot of heavy lifting when Democrats start showing up with sick people and little kids who won't have coverage because pre-existing conditions won't be covered anymore.

As you point out, people like the bits and pieces of ObamaCare but not the whole package. The political focus of repeal will be on those bits and pieces, not the whole package.

So yeah, it will take a lot of heavy lifting to take away "free stuff" from people.

264 "Let them get there on their own". OK fine. You have to realize that the Mitt haters haven't been to conciliatory to his supporters. I don't know how many times I have heard "Mittens", "RINO", "Rombot", "He's identical to Obama", "He is the father of ObamaCare" and the countless other insults from the guys who went from Cain to Perry to Newt to Rick, all because they don't like Mitt. Part of the whole "inevitability" process is that some people are going to state the obvious which is "Mitt is the inevitable nominee" like Rubio is doing now. I don't see why the Santorum holdouts should be coddled for their infantile antics, which is a direct reflection of their candidate who is doing the same thing.

265

Via Drudge/MSN

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In another black eye for Newt Gingrich, the flagship of what's known in Washington as "Newt, Inc.," has filed for bankruptcy.

In a Chapter 7 filing in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Northern District of Georgia, The Gingrich Group LLC, doing business as the Center for Health Transformation, filed for bankruptcy Wednesday. (Chapter 7 is "the chapter of the Bankruptcy Code providing for 'liquidation,' that is, the sale of a debtor's nonexempt property and the distribution of the proceeds to creditors,"

266 Math is so hard.

267 i'm so glad i live in California... i don;t have to hold my nose and vote for Mittens in November, because it just won't matter. there's no way the SCOAMF is NOT winning my terminally boned state, so i am off the hook. fuck you RNC and the GOP HQ for deciding it was this shit sandwich's turn: your only hope for victory is that Ear Leader sucks so bad this RINO might just look good to enough people.

268 And don't forget, if the Congressional elections go as well as we hope, there's going to be a lot of pressure from the Hill for Romney to do the right thing, on all sorts of issues.

What's the saying? We don't need the right people? We just need people to do the right things?

269 Yes! Four more years of seeing this grifter's obnoxious face all over your TV.

Won't it be grand!

More lies! More race-baiting! More giveaways to cronies! More undermining the military! More support of Muslim terrorists! More exploding deficits!

More shout-outs! More of that cocky, George Jefferson walk he does! More Moochelle taking lavish vacations on your dime! More White House parties! More scolding Americans who don't wish to have their wallets raided!

More class warfare! More tearing up contract law so you can steal money and give it to the unions! More protests! More anger! More misery!

More exploding energy prices! More nuclear armed Islamic countries! More alienating our allies!

Oh, I can't wait!

FUCK ROMNEY THIS IS WHAT I REALLY WANT!!!

270 >>When you start with shit and bread you're going to get a shit sandwich.

It's Romney's fault the primary field was so weak this year?  I'd like to hear more about why you think this.

271

Getting rid of Obama will be like flushing a big, nasty turd.

 

/can I get a DENOUNCE?

272 "I've never said people should stay home.

My feeling on Mitt is, "Sorry, if you live in a swing state, you're going to have to vote for him"."

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Do you think STFU is going to be an effective way to get those swing state voters to show up?

273 @Clubber Lang

It probably feels like its falling on deaf ears but I think you are laying good groundwork in some upset peoples minds about how to stop going about talking to others about Obama.  Besides Obama is a severe symptom but not the root.

If I might add, even if Obama is a so called "fuckin marxist traitor," the day after Obama is out of the White house (assuming no type of race or anti-religious riots break out) we will still have to face the half+ of congress, majority of judges, enviromental-racial-union etc.. special intersets, open borders to the polito-religious-socialists from third world south america, leftist news and entertainment media, public indoctro-education, radical academics, useful idiot leftist religonists, half of Fox news, and etc... to contend with.  Oh and an Obama not responsible for anything, flooding airwaves kneecapping the new president far worse then the at times classless and intemperate carter/clinton ever have.

274

Is he ultra-conservative? No, but I do believe he is conservative. And while people largely ignore this, he has endorsed the Ryan Budget. Democrats are currently trying to make that a central issue in this campaign, Romney's "extremism" in embracing this budget.

And contrast that with Newt, who attacked Ryan and gave Obama ammo.

275 My concerns about Mitt:

1.  Souter 2, Souter 3.  Tell us your plans, hell give us your short list.

2.  Healthcare, Big - Simple - Steps and Identify advisors who we trust, not the clowns who helped Obama

3.  Guns, go to the NRA - make them happy, I'll be happy

4.  Spine.  We know you can compromise, pick an issue or two and don't.

5.  the Mormon thing, I grew up Catholic - in Utah - so I may have a different perspective on this.  I don't really care if the SS catches you looking for dancing salamanders at night in the Rose Garden or what the old lady rubbed on your nuts.  What I do care about is the pervasive corruption, confidence games, and influence peddling in local Mormon governance in the Great Basin - how are you going to keep that crap out of your adminstration (at levels far below what a President ususally sees).  I really don't want to see critical reforms in a financial storm succumb to a death of a thousand cuts.

276 PS to Rubio and the rest: Mittens is NOT my candidate, anymore than McLame was...  fuck you twice for this pathetic bullshit.

277

Carter STILL almost lost to Ford.

If it wasn;t for Perot, Clinton wouldn;t have had one term, let alone 2.

Post Truman, America seem to only like Dem presidents in small doses. I'm praying that it still holds true.

278 That's not "red"[sic] enough for you? Are you for real?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 05, 2012 04:37 PM (ZKzrr)

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I thought it was understood we were talking about the Presidential election here.  You are talking about local elections, while being an "indicator" they are still not proof that the State is ready to go full red in a national election. 

279 And yet, apparently, there doesn't seem anything wrong with it when Newt Gingrich writes books advancing the Global Warming agenda.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2012 04:37 PM (nj1bB)

No, it's a crappy thing and it was rightly held against him.

Here's the thing, I was never stupid enough to try and pitch that as a selling point for Newt.

This Romney guy was telling me Mitt's support for Cap and Trade was a GOOD thing.

I'm willing to overlook some crappy things here and there but don't fucking tell me not only aren't they crappy but they are actually GOOD.

280 Some of you need to face the fact that while a majority of Americans hate Obamacare, its repeal is way down on their list of priorities. It's a big deal, but not as big as jobs, gas, and housing. Not even close, bros.

281

Aaaaaaannnnndddd, millions of American Gay Men (and some Gay Women) now rename their favorite butt-plugs "Mitt Romney," replacing their old favorite butt-plug name:  "John McCain."

 

BOHICA, AMERICA!!!!

282 Let's get the fuckin whiners below deck and win this bitch for Breitbart.

283 Yes, we should all "concede" that Romney is going to represent us against Obama.  This is a fact to be "conceded" not, celebrated or applauded.  So Rubio chose his words correctly.

284 Mitt's instincts may be big-government activist but, I can't see him being willing to borrow $1.5T a year to see them through.

285 Getting rid of Obama will be like flushing a big, nasty turd. But first we will stand up, turn around, and cut the Obamalog in half with our pee streams.

286

I,  for one, hopes everbody remembers what happened the   last time Pubbies    got pissed in an election. We're still recovering from handing   Congress over to the   Dims in '06.

 

I'll just lie back,   vote for  Mittens as if my country   depended upon it (which it just so happens to do), and think about Warden's  Comment #239 above.

 

And drink heavily before I vote.

287 >>You are talking about local elections

Yes. Local. The U.S. Senate and the U.S. Congress don't affect anyone except Wisconsin.


You know what? Fuck you guys. I better not see ANY of you in my re-education camp.

288 Let's give the Bill Ayers and the Sandra Flukes of the world another win! Let's make Warren Buffett and George Soros' day!

289 Romney will be better at catering to conservatives than McCain. McCain's believed, mostly correctly, that being a war hero pretty much covered his right flank. He didn't have to prove he was a tough guy, he was a fucking war hero. Nobody was gonna call McCain a pussy, even though he did puss out on attacking Obama. Romney has to be tougher to pacify us, cause we already are calling him a pussy.

290 Posted by: Kensington at April 05, 2012 04:42 PM (H84UO)

No where did I tell anyone to STFU but the reality is, if you want Obama out and you live in FL, NH, OH, WI, PA, VA, NV, MI, etc, yeah, Romney is the only choice.

It's a binary thing.

291 287 Let's get the fuckin whiners below deck and win this bitch for Breitbart.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 05, 2012 04:44 PM (K3Byq)

Jeebus.  Thank you.  *flashes boobies*

I think I'll take a break from this circular firing squad.  Focus, people.  Sheesh.

292 ABO.  If Romney is our candidate, I'll vote for him  not because he's really all that conservative, but that he's an American and loves this country probably as much as I do.  I want the  marxist  Indonesian out of the WH.

293 First we start by making a smaller, regional party?

Tell me more.

Posted by: ace at April 05, 2012 04:38 PM (nj1bB)

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Ace you are missing the point.  It is already a regional Party. It carries the South and the Midwest.  Primarily States that do NOT have large urban concentrations.  That pretty much locks out the NE.

294 I better not see ANY of you in my re-education camp. Avenge me!

295 There is an enthusiasm gap for or with Romney. It is a problem--ignoring it doesn't fix it unfortunately. I think the only ones you can close the gap will be the Democrats with their talent for obnoxiousness.

296 If I've lost my job, can't afford gas or housing, going to jail for not being able to afford Obama care seems liek a big deal to me.

297 Let's get the fuckin whiners below deck and win this bitch for Breitbart. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 05, 2012 04:44 PM (K3Byq) Amen, but that man a drink

298

Jeebus. Thank you. *flashes boobies*

 

Wait, what, I have to do actual work at work and I missed that. Mendoza!

299 Count yourself lucky you don't live in a swing state and have to stay sober enough to vote for him several times without screwing up.

300 fuck you RNC and the GOP HQ for deciding it was this shit sandwich's turn: your only hope for victory is that Ear Leader sucks so bad this RINO might just look good to enough people.

Yeah, Ron Paul really does need to do something about the RNC / GOP mind control HAARP rays that force people to vote according to their Establishment wishes.

At least you were immune to the effects of this dastardly technology, even if only because it requires a fully functional brain to be effective on a given target.

301

Ace (233) - I am not saying that Mitt is not deserving.  I am simply saying that he shouldn't expect us to simply fall in line.  I would be happy if Newt or Santorum were winning, but only because I support them over Mitt.  And if they were winning I hope I would be making the case for why they are a better candidate than Mitt with an argument that is more than inevitability - or being the most electable.  I have been trying to do that for months here.  What I ask of Mitt supporters is they make the same argument to me.  I cannot deny that Mitt is likely going to cruise to the nomination at this point.  And I will not whine that he only won because he outspent his rivals.  That's part of the game.  I do not believe there to be an establishment conspiracy.  Mitt is winning, and he is winning fairly.  We can all agree that he is not really winning that strongly - particularly when the competition is Rick and Newt.  My proposal is this - continue to make the case for why you are deserving. 

 

With respect to the general, I stand by my proposition that you don't win the Presidency by simply not being the incumbent.  Bush was beatable.  But the democrats nominated someone few wanted to vote for, except their own base.  Still it was almost enough.  A Bill Clinton type could have won.

 

Mitt will have to start making the case for himself, so might as well start now.  I don't care if he is inevitable.  I want to know why I should vote for him.  You can vote for him for whatever reason  you want.  But a lot of us want a reason to vote for him.

302 299
I better not see ANY of you in my re-education camp.

Avenge me!

Posted by: red dawn soothie at April 05, 2012 04:47 PM (jUytm)

You think they'll bother with re-education camps?  Pffft.  Bullets are cheaper.

303 To be perfectly clear, I will vote for Romney. I think he's an epic fucking disaster, but I will vote for him, nonetheless. But you "inevitable" motherfuckers better be right.

304

275
Getting rid of Obama will be like flushing a big, nasty turd.

 

Yeah. ....But he will be a floater. Like Carter and Clinton....he will still be in the news as much as the lib media will let him. Which will prolly be...a lot.

 

And he will very likely try to come back in 2016. .....So unfortunately, this is a turd that going to hang around stinking up the place for a long time.

 

Which is why we need Romney to learn how to make some body blows and draw blood.....direct his attack machine at someone other than his fellow R's. 

305 And there you go, every other post is "Mittens" this or "Mittens" that. What a bunch of mind numbed retards you all are. We need to beat Obama, tearing down our nominee is not going to do that. We can win this thing. In fact tearing down Romney is exactly what Obama wants you to do.

We heard this shame shit about "McLame" the last time around. You purists all stayed home and watched him lose. Now we have had four years of living hell that will take many more years to recover from. Thanks alot for your wonderful insights and support to the cause. Now go cry awhile and pout about how life isn't fair.

The libs act like they're winning even when they're losing. We act like we're losing all the time because some of us are a bunch of crybabies who are craving the perfect candidate who doesn't even exist.

306 Jeebus. Thank you. *flashes boobies*

I think I'll take a break from this circular firing squad. Focus, people. Sheesh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 05, 2012 04:46 PM (UOM4

BUNK!

(Yes, I am married, how did you know?)

307 This is why I am so loyal to you, Ace.  Your analysis is never conventional but usually spot on.  Mitt needs to hire you on as a campaign advisor.

308 "No where did I tell anyone to STFU but the reality is, if you want Obama out and you live in FL, NH, OH, WI, PA, VA, NV, MI, etc, yeah, Romney is the only choice."

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I wasn't accusing you of using that strategy, just asking if you think it's a good idea, since it's being employed by not a few people in the comments.

309


We have a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure who really doesn't' know his ass from a hole in the ground and people are willing to let him have another four more years because Romney sucks?

310 Does that make you "comfortable"?

Wow.  So Mittens makes multiple conservatives nervous- and it's our fault?  WTF?  Maybe, just maybe, the problem is with Romney?

Now- I'm on the record as saying this, and I won't go against it- no way on God's green earth does Romney get my vote- not in the Primary, probably not in the General.  I live in Texas, and if he needs my vote to win Texas, we're already so screwed that we may as well just say "screw it" and start the shooting war now.

That said- We're still the ones hiring him.  Yes, it's his job to make us comfortable.  I'm not even asking for a complete walk-back, but at least an acknowledgement that his past choices were not strictly Conservative, and explanation of why (and if it's mamby-pamby "I was in MA" it doesn't count), and a good, principled reason why I should believe he won't repeat those mistakes at the national level.

Because if he has a justice appointment record at the national level like he did in MA, then we get (at best) another Kennedy and a Souter.  Which doesn't actually help.

311 Any of you Romney haters who are going to "stay home" and say "I will never vote for Romney" and don't actually go out and pull the lever for him ought to be banned from any conservative site. Because if you stay home and don't vote you've basically just voted in the very same person you've been bitching about on this site for the last 4 years. The weenies on hot air are pissing in their diapers thinking sanatorium still has a shot new need to play this election safe by getting Romney in there to stop the bleeding THEN in four yrs go out and get your dream candidate. We need to play the green on this shot. Not go for the hole in one.

312 But first we will stand up, turn around, and cut the Obamalog in half with our pee streams. Posted by: soothsayer south park edition at April 05, 2012 04:45 PM (jUytm) *************** The pee-stream is strong with this one.

313 But he will be a floater. Like Carter and Clinton....he will still be in the news as much as the lib media will let him. Which will prolly be...a lot.

Oddly, I have the feeling that Barry will die young compared to our recent presidents.

314 Alternate post title: Marco Rubio: This Bitter Pill, You Need To Swallow It

315 All you peeps who feel the need to rant and rave about Romney's short commings, be my guest. Just be there Nov 6th to set us all free. Please

316 "You purists all stayed home and watched [McCain] lose."

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Oh, bullshit.

McCain is the only one responsible for his lost. A lot of us "purists" worked our asses off trying to drag his sorry carcass across the finish line.

He was a dreadful candidate, and he torpedoed himself.

317 Rubio's the annoying guy behind the porn camera saying "aww yeah! fuck him / her right in the ASS! can't wait for the ATM scene, huh? I bet it'll taste like -"

Yes, Marco; I know what's going on, and I can guess what the end result is going to taste like. . .

318 “I actually think we’re going to have a very good nominee."

From the point of view of a Republican Party member, maybe. From the point of view of a conservative, certainly not.

319 General Zod says: the guy represents the one thing so unfortunately--but understandably--uncommon to American politics on either side of the ideological fence: the already-accomplished man who chooses to put his proven skills in the service of his nation I think the General just pushed me past Stage 5 with that last sentence. That is how you win people over, not with stfu. I just hope Mitt fights harder than that loser-ass McVain

320 This time, could we please not have anyone tell us that once the people see what a fuckup socialist turd Obama is that they'll be ready for the Great Conservative Savior who has not yet revealed him or herself to us? They've seen and enough of them STILL might vote for four more years of "it's not his fault, he inherited his problems"

A wise Moron once commented;

Conservatives in 2008: We need another Carter to get another Reagan

Conservatives in 2012: Oh shit, we forgot to get another Reagan

321 Yeah. ....But he will be a floater. Like Carter and Clinton....he will still be in the news as much as the lib media will let him. Which will prolly be...a lot. ******* eeeeeeewwwww, LOL! What kind of a shit is __________? Discuss!

322 I don't get the whole "not voting for Mitt is a vote for Obama" thing. I mean, I think Mitt sucks donkey dick, but I've accepted him as the nominee and have been somewhat shilling for him the past month or so. Neverthelss, unless Romney can impress me between now and Nov, he's not getting my vote. But I live in a state where the outcome is a foregone conclusion. If I were in a swing state, I'd vote Mitt as many times as I could manage, but I'm not so why should i automatically reward him with my vote simply because he's not Obama?

323 McCain is the only one responsible for his lost. A lot of us "purists" worked our asses off trying to drag his sorry carcass across the finish line.

This. The purists went all-in for Sarah Palin. I personally took time off of work to call a bunch of total strangers in western Pennsylvania.

324 My concerns about Mitt:
1. Souter 2, Souter 3. Tell us your plans, hell give us your short list.
Posted by: Jean at April 05, 2012 04:42 PM (WkuV6)

Why would you worry about that? I mean it's not like Mitt is dumb enough to have John "Of course Souter is a conservative" Sununu as one of his top advisers/surrogates.

Wait a second....

Oh for fuck's sake.

325 I'm glad you mentioned Romney's embrace-- whole-hearted and very vocal embrace-- of the Ryan budget and Ryan himself. I too hope those who feel most hostile, resentful, suspicious toward Romney might re-evaluate him, at least a little, on this basis. Many of the anti-Romneys' qualms are valid; but this should allay at least some of them.

After all, much of the complaint against Romney has been-- he doesn't stand for anything, he just wants to POTUS to be POTUS, he's going to move left for the general election, he'll pander to moderates/ indies/ Dems instead of conservatives, he's a progressive who will do nothing to attend to or remedy the most urgent fiscal situation facing our nation.

And yet-- he's standing shoulder to shoulder with Ryan, arguably the Republican who's been most demonized by the Dems during Obama's presidency, painted as "right-wing radical" and politically toxic (because he's the most dangerous-- most serious, articulate, and potentially persuasive). IMO Ryan right now is the politician with most integrity, substance, and actual concern for our country (transcending any partisan political calculation) out there. It is politically risky to ally yourself with him. And yet, Romney has done so. That tells me: (1) Romney's not a politician who's just calculating shallow political advantage, e.g. trying to "pander" to the center/ left; and (2) Romney actually has substantive and serious fiscal concerns, a substantive and serious fiscal diagnosis and prescription for what ails this country, along the lines of Ryan's plan. He's not just whistling past the graveyard.

Let us recall that Ryan (portrayed by the liberal as MSM as a "radical" granny-killer) has been considered so politically toxic, so scary to the political center, that Newt-- considered by many a "true conservative" compared to Romney-- infamously pandered to Meet the Press audience by calling his plan "right-wing social engineering". Newt distanced himself from Ryan. Romney is totally embracing him-- and not in the thick of the primaries (when he might have needed to "pander" to conservatives), but on the brink-- or now, already, the start-- of the general election. Whatever case Romney will make to the general electorate, we can be sure it will be one that incorporates Ryan's concerns and Ryan's vision. Not one that distances itself from them.

That's an excellent sign. 

326 Oddly, I have the feeling that Barry will die young compared to our recent presidents.

Posted by: toby928© at April 05, 2012 04:50 PM (GTbGH)

Cocaine's a hell of a drug.

327 It's time to concede that I won't be voting for anyone in the election because I'm not voting for a democrat regardless of the letter behind his name. These are the choices I get... A religious anti-liberty zealot like Santorum, a Rino like Romney, a nutbag like Paul and a adulterous, gas bag liar like Gingrich.

Really? That's the best we can offer up as a solution? These are the men that deserve to be president of the United States of America? I got five guys on my street that deserve it more and would be a million times more trustworthy.

328 McCain is the only one responsible for his lost. A lot of us "purists" worked our asses off trying to drag his sorry carcass across the finish line. He was a dreadful candidate, and he torpedoed himself. Posted by: Kensington at April 05, 2012 04:51 PM (H84UO) Ain't dat the truth. Worst candidate ever. Made Bob Dole look Presidential

329 I've heard him state he absolutely would, on Fox I believe.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 05, 2012 04:30 PM (UOM4

I don't.  But he's got my vote, anyway.  I'll move for impeachment the minute he so much as looks cross-eyed at anything or fumbles like an idiot trying to figure out how to get an umbrella through a gated arch.

330 That's not good enough, n-g-u. All that negativity will kill the Romney candidacy. If people can't be enthusiastic about Romney, at least show and tell people how excited you are to vote out Obama. Turn that neg-a-tive...into a pos-i-tive!

331

I'm With EoJ and Mrs Do'h.

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Lots of eeyores round' here.

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This is when the shit starts getting real. Non-stop focus on Barky's demise. And I'll even go as far to say Romney wins going away. Beer, popcorn, pudding....CHECK!!!!

332 My concerns about Romney: Don't mean shit compared to my concerns about a second obama term

333

As I said eons ago (I think it was a few months, actually), the Republican Party doesn't always pick the most conservative candidate, but they go about selecting their candidate in a very conservative way. 

 

That's why we have Romney.  Good, bad or indifferent, the process favors a guy like him.  It's not a conspiracy, it's just how the party operates. 

334 if romeny doesnt not support saving bears

even though obama has not helped bears or other problems are all worst

i cant not vote for romeny becuase bears are important to the earth

maybe if the bears were extinced we might final do some thing about it

its called game thoery idiots think about it

#JusticeForRaylon

335 And on the "repeal obamacare" front anyone that thinks there is a chance of that regardless of who gets elected is smoking some hard stuff.


First we will not have 60 votes in the Senate. So they will have to go with the nuclear option. Given the current congr4essional RNC leadership there isn't a chance in hell of that.


You had best pray that asshole Kennedy was happy with Scalia on the day they voted.

336

@317 - Should we have no fear that if Romney wins, it is likely that Obamcare stays on the books, a liberal like Souter gets appointed to replace Scalia and Kennedy, and taxes go up in a deal that mildly cuts spending.  Where the tea party movement stops in its tracks because you have to go with the team, and the President is usually the coach.  Do you not fear that at all?  I do.  Because nothing in Mitt's past convinces me that that is not a plausible choice. 

What is worse?  The foregoing or a President Obama who is hamstrung by a GOP run house and Senate? 

I would say you probably roll the dice and always go for the win.  But is it not a legitimate fear to have with Romney? 

337 McCain is the only one responsible for his lost. A lot of us "purists" worked our asses off trying to drag his sorry carcass across the finish line.

He was a dreadful candidate, and he torpedoed himself.

If I had a father, he'd look like John McCain. 

Wait, what?

338 ...new poll out-- Americans are leery of Mormons.

339 342 if romeny doesnt not support saving bears even though obama has not helped bears or other problems are all worst i cant not vote for romeny becuase bears are important to the earth maybe if the bears were extinced we might final do some thing about it its called game thoery idiots think about it #JusticeForRaylon Posted by: Jose Canseco's Gristle Encased Head at April 05, 2012 04:55 PM (+lsX1)*** Damn you, you made me laugh and broke up the bad mood I'd been working on all day.

340

Nikki Haley call the JEF a bully.

 

I would like to see Romney do something like that. ....Hell, if a girl can do it....

341 You had best pray that asshole Kennedy was happy with Scalia on the day they voted. Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2012 04:55 PM (YdQQY) Well you know he was since obama got the inside poop from Kagan and went ballistic the next day. The question is does he have the balls to stay the course?

342 316 Wow. So Mittens makes multiple conservatives nervous- and it's our fault? WTF? Maybe, just maybe, the problem is with Romney?


Why is a second Obama term to be desired above electing Romney? Why would it be better for the country?

343 People, people - everyone chillax...curious ozfic will soon appear to set us all straight. No need to wind yourself up in a knot when her pretzel logic does the job so splendidly.

344 The pee-stream is strong with this one.

Posted by: Yoda at April 05, 2012 04:50 PM (r2PLg)

 

 

It's the asparagus booster.

345 "This. The purists went all-in for Sarah Palin. I personally took time off of work to call a bunch of total strangers in western Pennsylvania."

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Exactly! Hell I spent every weekend that Fall traveling to Pennsylvania so I could work door to door, and every night the rest of the week making cold calls on his sorry behalf.

And I really gave in to it, too. I drank every drop of McCain Kool-Aid I could get my hands on, to the extent that when my group got pulled off of canvassing duty one day just so we could stand around at an airport to greet McCain and Lieberman, I was genuinely excited.

In retrospect, it's mortifying, but that's what us "purists" did in 2008.

346 Santorums hoping Willard picks him for VP. That's why he is hanging on, hoping for a deal ?

347 Why would you worry about that? I mean it's not like Mitt is dumb enough to have John "Of course Souter is a conservative" Sununu as one of his top advisers/surrogates.

Wait a second....

Oh for fuck's sake.

And his actual legal advisor?  Robert Bork.  What a RINO.

348 ...a vote for Romney proves you're a racist.

349 Obamacare has a much better chance of being repealed if it is the centerpiece of the campaign of the GOP nominee, and not simply a throw-away line in a campaign speech.  I mean really argue for repeal.  One reason why Obamcare is so unpopular is because there was no mandate (political mandate) for it.  In fact, Obama ran against the mandate (Obamcare mandate).  It is much easier to pass a law or repeal it if you specically ran on it.  That is the argument that Santorum has been making, and quite effectively.  Yes it will be extremely difficult to repeal Obamacare, but much more manageable if you run on it because the people will have spoken.

350

By the time November gets here,   we'll be ready to dig up Teddy   *hic*   Kennedy to run against the SCOAMF.

 

My Senator was just stating the obvious,  imo.  It's  time to circle the wagons. There are big things at stake and we absolutely cannot let the SCOAMF win another term in  orifice.

351 Numerically Independents are few, also all I think ive seen typically like 80% vote the same each election.  So, we are talking about some very small numbers there that can in now way compensate for weak base turnout.

352 That internet, its an open sewer of unfiltered information all right.

353 ...new poll out...choosy Moms choose Jif!

354 Toast, you keep making these interesting sounds. Why, toast?

355 I understand the idea that calling for others to concede generally makes them dig in that much harder but at the same time I think its also a way for them to psychologically hedge their bets. If the candidate they were forced to concede to loses they can then spend several months jumping up and down screaming I told you so. On a similar note, after McCain sort of stood there and waved for the election that was the Obama coronation I sort of felt a little better about the loss knowing we had seen it coming for so long.

356 @133 The guy has been running for at least six years now and can't seal the deal with Republicans

You mean like winning the nomination?  John Morris, you seem to be a bit slow on the uptake.  And I'm not interested in showing you anything.

357 You may have questions about Romney, but you know EXACTLY what you're going to get with Obama -- 4 more years of him laying waste to the Constitution and to your children's future.

358 Hey, why bother with the convention?

359 You had best pray that asshole Kennedy was happy with Scalia on the day they voted.

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2012 04:55 PM (YdQQY)

 

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I know I'm going out on a limb when I say this, but I think Breyer may be the swing vote this time around.

360 @kensington

Compared to the 08 Obama crowds you had a shotglass of diet coke compared to their garbage truck full of meth.  Wouldn't beat yourself up too much. 

361 This thread is getting stale.  Time to talk about what's really important.  How does Obama feel about Augusta National?

362 If you want to control politicians control the media and the money.  Reality the left has proved is that voters are secondary.  Most of their agenda gains only 20-30% national support... yet they are viable national party.

363 "...They're comparing him, I believe, not to Santorum and Gingrich, but to hypothetical candidates they would really prefer"

No, I'm comparing him to Gingrich, and he still sucks.

Not that Gingrich is all that wonderful but at least he can articulate a conservative or liberty argument, whereas Etch-a-Sketch will say anything. The man is Ruling Class Elite My Turn to Win all the way. F*ck him.

The true battle is for ideas and Romney is unarmed.

364 Ace is right.  People have to come to the table when they're hungry.  They can't be force fed.

My primary was Tuesday.  I had my not-Romney say.  My state also spoke, and all WI delegates will be going to Romney.  But I had my chance to vote, no one took that from me.  Now I set that to the side, climb on board like a good soldier and re-calibrate myself towards accomplishing the larger mission, which is to defeat our first Anti-American president.

Don't nag.   Don't gloat. Don't rub it in.  People have had enough of that.  They'll get there when they get there.

365 Posted by: Jean at April 05, 2012 04:42 PM (WkuV6)

Good points all..except religion.

Name a religion I will find several examples of stunningly corrupt, vile behavior that would make your gorge rise. That includes Catholics. Not Jews of course, because we are perfect.

My only concern with religion is that the candidate not be a member of a religion that flies fucking jets into our buildings and blows themselves up in the name of their god. I reject all other religious tests.

366 366 @133 The guy has been running for at least six years now and can't seal the deal with Republicans

You mean like winning the nomination? John Morris, you seem to be a bit slow on the uptake. And I'm not interested in showing you anything.
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By "sealing the deal" you mean winning about a third of Republican primary votes with 2/3 of the money? Big friggin' whoop.

367 Once upon a time Flip-Flopping, Wealthy, Out-Of-Touch, Northeasterners were NOT going to make good presidents. Now Kerry -oops, Romney- is the official GOP candidate? Nice.

368 == 167 Allan --

You are precisely correct.  The fact that I refuse to vote for one modern-liberal statist does not mean I am voting for the other modern-liberal statist; it means I refuse to vote for ANY modern-liberal statist.

For what it's worth, I'm registered Republican only because they seemed to be slightly more likely to offer a conservative alternative in the primaries, and my state has closed primaries.  I am, and have always been, a classical liberal, and voted for Goldwater in my first presidential election.

SMOD 2012!

369

"I would say you probably roll the dice and always go for the win. But is it not a legitimate fear to have with Romney?"

 

Actually, no. Romney has publicly   committed himself to the repeal of ObamaCare by issuing waivers to all the 57 States on his first day in office, then pushing for repeal through Congress.

 

Another factor is that Mittens is political Silly Putty. He will bend to the will of those who put the most pressure on him, and it damn sure ain't  gonna be libs that do that. The Tea Party, which stands to gain more seats in Congress and  will probably take the Senate too, will be so   far up Mitt's ass he won't need to ever see a proctologist. He won't be able to look in a mirror without seeing a Gadsen   Flag in it.

 

This is important:   everything the SCOAMF  has done   has to be undone.  And all   of us have a duty to make sure that gets done  by pressuring these people we send to Washington to act on our behalf all the time, 24/7, 365.

370

Yeah... because Telling people to shut up... ie, saying they should not excercise their freedom of Speech, because they choose to excercise their RIGHT to vote, or not vote, for whomever they choose... is such a Conservative Position.

 

/facepalm

371 Warden for the win.

372 Posted by: Arms Merchant at April 05, 2012 05:07 PM (+XVQe)

Jesus...so now because Romney had more money it wasn't "fair?"

This isn't cricket. He won because he beat the other guys. He was better than they were. More money...more blow...more blackmail pictures of ward captains sucking off little boys...it doesn't matter.

373 "Compared to the 08 Obama crowds you had a shotglass of diet coke compared to their garbage truck full of meth. Wouldn't beat yourself up too much. "

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Well that's certainly true. I was in Manhattan on election night, and when Zero was pronounced the winner, the streets were more full of mindless, drooling zombies than a Walking Dead episode.

I was trying to drive home, and some Avenues were impassable because those imbeciles had blocked traffic so they could dance in the street.

I hope each and every one of them has since lost their jobs.

374 It's Romney's fault the primary field was so weak this year?

There's plenty wrong with the process as we've ad-nauseumed here and MR gamed it flaws and all.  Very little of what's not working now with the parties, politics or the American system in general is fixable within the system.

One thing we haven't beat to pieces is the # of little e establishers to do all the stuff that campaigns need.  MR has been running and thus has these little es since 2007.  Herr Doktor has his permanently.  The pool drains quick.

The country is Doomed unless we fire some whopping portion of Govt., and never let them back.

375

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 05, 2012 05:08 PM (d0Tfm)

 

My problem is that I see Romney at a technocrat... not a Leader...

 

He will tinker around the edges of problems, looking like he's doing somthing, while not addressing the problems with real solutions.

 

And so, will be President when everything falls apart... because the dems WILL retain enough Seats in the Senate, to block any real change.

376

What does giving a waiver to a state do anyway? Besides further the idea that we are a country not of laws but of waivers, what does it do.  Does it mean that the individual mandate goes away?  Any president can sign for legislation, but you usually have to push for it.  So no simply saying you will repeal something does not give me a lot of confidence. 

 

Having Robert Bork as an advisor does.

 

 

377 314 "No where did I tell anyone to STFU but the reality is, if you want Obama
out and you live in FL, NH, OH, WI, PA, VA, NV, MI, etc, yeah, Romney
is the only choice."

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I wasn't accusing you of using that strategy, just asking if you think it's a good idea, since it's being employed by not a few people in the comments.

Posted by: Kensington at April 05, 2012 04:49 PM (H84UO)

It was me. I think it's time to stop with the whining about how you'd like a more conservative candidate and especially quit attacking him from the left. Because I'm oh so sure there are scads and scads of battleground people here on the fence that need convincing that Obama is a bad guy? Of course not. Anyone here like Obama? Anyone here thinking they need to stay home so he can win? Hello?

Yeah, so I said stfu about continuing to bash the hell out of the candidate we have left to beat Obama. You think bashing him will really turn those people in the purple states away from Obama and toward Romney? Or do you mean that bashing Romney will help us get those who hate Romney to vote for Romney? Oh, maybe you mean that if the people on the right are allowed to bash Romney and no one says anything that they will somehow get over it?

Which one?

378

there's no point saying "get over it" because that actually makes people not want to get over it.

 

Not "get over it" -   just "get through it".

379 Actually, no. Romney has publicly committed himself to the repeal of ObamaCare by issuing waivers to all the 57 States on his first day in office, then pushing for repeal through Congress.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 05, 2012 05:08 PM (d0Tfm)

You kind of ignore the fact that Romney has "publicly committed himself" to a lot of things over the years that he then quite publicly un-committed himself to, hence the concern.

Also, you can't "repeal" a law by issuing waivers. Only some sections of the law are open to waivers and even then do you think NY, CA, IL, etc are going to ask for or accept them?

We're going to need to repeal all of it root and branch and contra Ace, it's going to be tough under the best of circumstances.

380 Yep so reality is pointing us to Romney. I know I can barely stand the guy but I didn't see anyone else all that palatable staying around for the long term. The guy is an epic flip flopper and a technocrat but guess what? Every inanimate object I am currently looking at on my desk would make a better President then Obama. Six months ago I should I would never vote for Romney but I don't think America can survive another Obama term so I will vote for an empty ketchup packet if it gets the Republican nomination.  

381 seriously, ace, you have described me perfectly. I had to stop reading the comments here or anywhere for a couple of months (ever since Perry dropped out) before I could come to the "okay, this is the guy we got, let's do this thing," place and start feeling slightly positive about it all.

382 I'm just curious and hopeful about his VP pick.  Can you imagine West, Rubio, or Ryan in a debate with Slow-Joe.  Comedy gold!

383 Also, how is it an "attack from the left" if someone says Romney isn't conservative enough? Isn't than an attack from the Right?

384 "I'm just curious and hopeful about his VP pick. Can you imagine West, Rubio, or Ryan in a debate with Slow-Joe. Comedy gold!"

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Biden wins!!!!1!

385 I'm just curious and hopeful about his VP pick. Can you imagine West, Rubio, or Ryan in a debate with Slow-Joe. Comedy gold!
Posted by: Cheri at April 05, 2012 05:21 PM (G+Wff)

I hope you're used to disappointment by now because you aren't getting any of them or anyone like them.

How's your excitement meter over Rob Portman or Bob McDowell?

386 Arggghhhhh! Romney sucks! Paul Ryan sucks, too! Now Marco Rubio Sucks! Did you know Romney's first name was WILLARD?!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

387 340 My concerns about Romney: Don't mean shit compared to my concerns about a second obama term

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 05, 2012 04:54 PM (i6RpT)

This!

To the folks who are going to stay home or write in Ace or whatever. You're of course well within your rights to do so. Just ask yourself one question. Is America better off with Barry or Mitt? If you can't honestly answer, then please return your head to your ass, stay home  and enjoy the next four years of his SCOAMFness. Romney is my 3rd choice. But when I compare Zero to Mitt it's no contest and I'll vote for Mitt. But if you do go the stay home or  write in protest vote just one other thing. Don't say a damn word for the next 4 years complaining about Barry if you do. Not a bloody word.

388 Why hurry the fat lady to sing?

I'm in the flip situation of AllenG if SCOAMF is doing so bad here in MD that my vote would actually count then I'd gladly spend another 2+ hours standing in lines all thru the local MLK  elementary school vs. Tuesday when there were more judges than voters in the gym. Maybe I'll just be an asst. vomit bucket swapper at the GOP table. 

389 Well said, Ace!

390 You think they'll bother with re-education camps? Pffft. Bullets are cheaper.

They'll run out of shooters long before they run out of bullets.

391 A decent VP pick, someone like Rubio or Ryan would really do wonders for the likeability of a Romney ticket. I am heavily leaning toward Ryan, the guy seems brilliant and he explains things in a way that people understand. It would also be awesome to see him turn the tables on the media when they under estimate him in their gotcha games. West would be nice too but honestly I would rather see him stay in the house for now then run for Senate. 

392 I'm choosing to set my reservations aside until November.  I have one political focus now and that's to defeat Obama.  Everything, and I mean everything, else is a distant second.  We can hold Romney's feet to the fire later.  We can elect majorities in both Houses that will help us do that. But first we have to win.  Winning isn't everything.  It''s the only thing.

Just. Win.

393 I have to say that watching Romney in Wisconsin with Paul Ryan and Ron Johnson, and hearing the reasons these two men gave for endorsing him have helped give me some measure of confidence in Romney.

394 Got an idea how we fix this problem going forward and this year is a good opportunity.  Romney knows he needs us doing more than grudgingly showing up to vote in Nov. so if we could gang up on him and force a deal we might get it.  He gives us support on a few critical rules changes at the convention in exchange for our full throated support in the general.  We even grant up front that should be actually WIN he is welcome to revert the changes.

New delegate selection rules.  Pick several or all of these ideas or add more in a similar vein.

IA and NH go after at least ten other states or they receive zero delegates.  I.E. beauty contest only with no option of a do over later that actually awards the delegates.  Where are the stone tablets that say they must always go first?  Ds might be happy with it but we shouldn't.

Award 1 delegate per electoral vote.  Award one more vote for each electoral vote that went to the R candidate in the last four cycles.  This ends blue states that have no chance of actually voting for our team in the fall from having such an outsized influence on our nominee.  Perhaps add in a special bonus for very close purple states to avoid overly penalizing them and/or give em a little boost if they are purple and went R anyway.

Arrange for some smallish red states to go first to ensure the first cull leaves some conservatives in the field but then some purple ones to stop a Bachman or Cain situation.

395

This thread is getting stale. Time to talk about what's really important. How does Obama feel about Augusta National?

 

Posted by: SH at April 05, 2012 05:04 PM (gmeXX)

 

 

He'd probably like for Augusta's membership to be mostly women and minorities. I don't know much about the current president, Billy Payne but Hootie Johnson would likely have gone public and told Obama to fuck himself, quite possibly in those words.

 

Women are allowed to play at Augusta as guests, they just can't be members.

 

If Obama wants a premier golf club that admits everyone, he can go start one. I guarantee the PGA wouldn't consider it for a tournament, no matter how nice it was.

396 Eh.  I'm wavering about voting for Romney.

It's not sour grapes about "my" candidate; I never had one.

The problem isn't Obama.  The problem is US voters.  Nobody knows even basic civics.  Democrat or Republican, it's been the same downward spiral since the New Deal, with one single solitary speedbump along the way.  Vote for Romney?  Meh.  Maybe we should let the socialists own America's decline, in the hopes that some voters might eventually notice a pattern.

The silly fear-mongering about how America can't survive another four years of Obama is childish and shrill.  It confuses the disease for the symptom.  If we "can't survive" another four years of Obama, then we can't survive, period.

397 "A religious anti-liberty zealot like Santorum, a Rino like Romney, a nutbag like Paul and a adulterous, gas bag liar like Gingrich."

I'd have gone with the adulterer; at least he HAS a conservative record, and he's not a Saint Santorum.

398 Everyone touting Rubio obviously hasn't kept up with his support for the Dream Act.

399 Miss80sBaby:
Why is a second Obama term to be desired above electing Romney? Why would it be better for the country?

Because stupid voters might finally learn something about what does and doesn't work in the real world.

400 "But if you do go the stay home or write in protest vote just one other thing. Don't say a damn word for the next 4 years complaining about Barry if you do. Not a bloody word."

You get the feds to stop taxing my income and I promise I won't say a thing.

401 [The silly fear-mongering about how America can't survive another four years of Obama is childish and shrill.]

1. The deficit.
2. Supreme Court nominees.

No, we can't survive another 4 years.

402 And I'm not really down with turning my two kids into debt slaves in order to teach voters a lesson.

403 Okay, so "Sandy Burger" is exactly the kind of voter I've been talking about.

If any of you think you're going to win him over to Romney by shouting STFU at him, then go right ahead. There he is. Shout away.

I suspect that won't be very effective. He might end up voting for Romney, but probably not unless you convince him that four more years of Obama is, in fact, a really bad idea.

So I'd focus on trying to convince him rather than insulting him.

But that's just me.

404 And another idea.  Delegate penalty for open primary.  Bonus for a caucus.  Republicans should be picking the Republican nominee and if it is a little bit of a bother so much the better.

And another.  The Republican Party will sponsor a series of officially sanctioned debates.  They will be run with the single minded notion that every minute of them will advance the goal of assisting Republicans choose a nominee and anything that doesn't advance that goal will be eliminated.  Republicans from across the spectrum of Republican thought will moderate and ask all questions.  Only registered Republicans will be permitted in the audience.  All candidates will be required to formally bind themselves as a caucus to support the eventual nominee to be allowed to participate.  No more Gary Johnsons and Ron Pauls taking up valuable space when everyone knows they aren't really Republicans who will support the eventual nominee and are as likely to go third party as vote R.

405 >>> And I'm not really down with turning my two kids into debt slaves in order to teach voters a lesson.

Me neither, but it already happened, and voters keep crying out for more of it.

But hey, let's keep applying band-aids...

406 415 Kensington

Some people are too stupid to convince.

407 Sandy, I've never met a worse, more malicious president in my lifetime and that includes Carter.

I want him GONE, period.

Even if you don't think another term will be worse than this one (with the "flexibility" of not having to worry about reelection), giving Obama a 2nd term affirms everything this shithead has done.

I'll crawl over broken glass to vote for Romney. Shit, I'd vote for Ron Paul if it came down to it.

408 Excellent Friday document dump. Can we fight about the V.P. pick now?

409

Some people are too stupid to convince.Posted by: packsoldier

I agree with some people.  However, I believe that enough people are hurting right now with dwindling wallets, and retirement plans taking a dump that their own personal welfare will trump ideology.  That's my prayer anyway.

410 Posted by: Kensington at April 05, 2012 05:45 PM (H84UO)

You can't convince people on the right to vote for Mitt. By now they've either they've bought into him, come to peace with the choices they have or they aren't going to do it.

There's nothing that Mitt can do or say at this point, he is who he is. There's no new information out there to be had. At least that's likely to make him more attractive to conservatives.

Personally, I think it depends on which state you live in. If you're a conservative stuck in NY or CA or some other deep blue state and you can't stand Mitt, there's no harm in not voting on that line or picking some 3rd party candidate that's not going anywhere.

If you live in a swing state, as I've said, sorry, you really need to suck it up.

411 Honestly, if you think that another four years of Obama will somehow result in your wet dream ticket of Palin/West being elected in 2016, then by all means vote for Obama, you fucking retard.

412

Man, I hate reading about being stuck in the Reeducation camps...I already went to a progressive grade school back in the 70s....

413 He'll get in and do good. He'll stop the bleeding and get us moving in the right direction.

It's the bench that I'm real excited about...Ryan, West, Rubio, Noem...go ahead add some names, they're there.

Mitt wins, and we'll be very well set up for the future.

And...Senator Palin and Leader Bachmann

414 1. The deficit.

This was a foregone conclusion as soon as the New Deal was passed.  And a whole string of Romney clones have come and gone since then, doing nothing to fix it, as Romney will do nothing to fix it.  He'll just pull some strings and use some managerial kung-fu to keep it solvent a little bit longer.

2. Supreme Court nominees.

Yeah, that's a biggie, I agree.  But at the end of the day, it's still not the main problem.  We are descending into Euro-style socialism, and even a correct Supreme Court cannot stop it if that's what the public wants.

Sandy, I've never met a worse, more malicious president in my lifetime and that includes Carter.

Yeah.  Obama is a dick.  Seeing him lose would be very satisfying.

I just don't think Romney will actually help America any.  Voting for Romney is like debt forgiveness for somebody with a gambling addiction.

415 Republican enthusiasm is lackluster. Just look at Wisconsin turnout. Only 784,000 votes in the Republican contest. Only the highest since 1980. And that's like, old and stuff. Nobody is pumped this year.

416 Sandy's posts are reminiscent of the spoiled brat who would rather break the toy than share it with his sister. Idiocracy, here we come...

417 "Republican enthusiasm is lackluster. Just look at Wisconsin turnout.
Only 784,000 votes in the Republican contest."

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I'm not impressed by measurements of GOP enthusiasm based on primary turnout.

I almost didn't bother showing up to vote in the Illinois primary, but nothing will stop me from voting in November.

November enthusiasm is the only enthusiasm that matters, at this point.

418

240 States like Wisconsin and Michigan? They're in play.
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I am not so sure of that

 

Then try Florida or New Hampshire or Ohio.  Jumpin' Jehosaphat.

419 Posted by: CAC at April 05, 2012 05:57 PM (t1xEd)

Don't worry, 6 1/2 months is plenty of time for Mitt to depress the hell out of everyone.

420 Don't worry, 6 1/2 months is plenty of time for Mitt to depress the hell out of everyone. Posted by: DrewM. at April 05, 2012 06:06 PM (2f1Rs) I forget, when are we supposed to get off the "ah fuck the world sucks" train and actually fake our enthusiasm enough to get this asshole out of the White House?

421 sandy burger -

I understand your concerns, believe me when I say I share many of them.  But please believe me as well when I say this: 

I am a mother whose only son is in the military.  Please do not allow Obama to be his commander in chief. He and thousands upon thousands of military men and women are being put in harm's way by a CiC who does not give two craps whether they live or die.  This is a very real thing.  It is life or death.  If for no other reason than this, would you do your best to defeat Obama, even if it means some sacrifice of principle on your part? 

I am having to suck it up too.  I cannot afford to do anything else.  As a military mom, I'm asking, no - I'm begging you to consider this.  Please.

422 426 - Sandy, I'm right there with you on your points. It's true, Romney can't and won't solve some of the fundamental problems with the way this country's government operates. I'm probably not as solid on the question of the Supremes as you are, in that I sincerely doubt there's ever going to be a point in our near future when there are more than four "conservative" votes on the court. So it's always going to be a silly mish-mash, when important cases come before it. That being said, in the end my decision comes down to emotion: I'm sick of that pig in the White House, and his wife too. I want them out. Period. I'll live with the (slightly) slower decline a Romney Administration will bring.

423 I forget, when are we supposed to get off the "ah fuck the world sucks" train and actually fake our enthusiasm enough to get this asshole out of the White House?
Posted by: CAC at April 05, 2012 06:09 PM (t1xEd)

No one is demanding you be on it so I don't know why you give a shit about how other people feel.

Romney and his supporters have spent a year telling us he's so gosh darn electable...how about he start showing some of that electability magic we've heard so much about?

Why do we need to gin up enthusiasm, if as Mitt said, "beating Obama is the easy part"?

424 Ace makes a good point in the comments. Barring voting getting behind Romney, there is no alternative plan available to get Obama out of the White House. Fine. I concede that point and will make my best attempt to shelve the bitching (it's not as if I can stomach Santorum either and Gingrich is hopeless and only good for debate entertainment, not governing). That said, I am not supporting Romney. I respect that other have conceded to this plan, but for me, Romney has given me no reason to vote for him. I have no reason to believe, based in his history, that he would do anything that resembles any of my interests. On the contrary, there is overwhelming evidence that I won't like anything that he does. All that remains is the nonsense about "if youre not for Mitt, your for Obama". Nothing could be further from the truth. I believe that neith Mitt nor Obama offer anything that would lead me to believe that they could provide the leadership and willingness to make the extremely hard choices necessary to even show down, much less stop, our journey off of a financial, social, and global cliff. So here's my plan. I don't care which one wins or loses. I'm refocusing on taking care of myself when the inevitable fall comes. Neither of those assholes is going to be of any use to anyone.

425 He's better than McCain. And that jagoff almost beat him...if he voted no on the tarp (I think it was tarp...) I think he may have.

They didn't need his vote, he could have voted no but his fucked up mind wouldn't let him do it.

He wouldn't attack, Mitt will. Is Mitt a drop the gloves heavyweight like Newt? No, but he will attack.

I mean..ALL of us would love to see Newt destroy and reduce him to looking like a 5 year old...my only concern with that is the "Idiocracy" types will start to feel sorry for him.

Then you'll get the "whitey is disrespecting" crap too.

426 And..Brietbart said "get behind the candidate who wins". And he did more for us than anyone.

427 I think Romney has the stronger moral base than the others. I also believe he strongly loves this country and will put her first. I think he will stand with the Constitution and not back down. We need God's Grace back on our country. For me, Romney does come out on top. Haven't always supported him, but as Ace says, over time I have come to see and sense that he is the one to man the post. It is going to be a really rough time.

428 "Everyone touting Rubio obviously hasn't kept up with his support for the Dream Act."

Ain't it funny how the people that would probably otherwise make good candidates for higher office have some kind of hangup that runs counter to the positions held by the majority of conservatives? And more often than not that hangup seems to be immigration.

429 Why waste words this far down a thread? Because I can,thats why. Waste waste waste. Fuck Romney.I hope he wins. Then you will all see what a REALLY BAD George Bush would have been like. And I kinda liked ol George.

430


So Long Mitt -- and Thanks for All the Fish.

Posted by: Conservative Dolphins Leaving Earth Before November

431 I will learn to love the Romney. Because I will vote for a box of rocks over Obama - and because Romney is 1,000% improvement over Obama. He's not my first, second or third choice, but people I know who have dealt with him have nothing but praise for him, and I can open my mind to that. As Breitbart said: "Ask not what our candidate can do for us, ask what we can do for our candidate."

432 In summary,the position here is that it's better to have chronic kidney failure rather than terminal cancer because terminal cancer is worse.

433 Ace and Kensington,

I agree with your advice: that it behooves Romney supporters (or anyone who's already 100% aboard the ABO train) to show forbearance toward those who are still ABR. It's of the utmost importance for us to get Obama out, and for all of us (Republicans and conservatives and independents disenchanted with Obama) to unite. I always try show respect toward those I disagree with (with the exception of obvious trolls). I try to empathize with the diehard anti-Romneys. But I also understand those who become so frustrated with ABRs that they impatiently lash out-- I share some of that frustration, though I do not condone lashing out. Or crudely hitting back-- which is what it most often is: it's totally a two-way street; the ABR conservatives are hardly innocent victims in the vitriol wars, though they like to take the martyr role. Which makes it all the more exasperating. But maybe it's natural that there should be a higher bar re decorum for electoral winners than for electoral losers. But it takes restraint. (For the record, I strongly support and am rooting for Romney now-- I'm in general election mode-- but among the primary candidates he was my third choice.) Some reasons for the frustration:

1. Obamabot mobys. There's no question that there are already a number of mobys and concern trolls afoot (a number that will probably grow as the general election campaign progresses). Most mobys/ trolls are obvious and idiots. But many are not: and many effectively echo the rhetoric and memes of genuine conservative ABRs. So much so that, honestly, I often find it very difficult to tell them apart. (E.g., sometimes it seems to me like half of Hot Air commenters are mobys-- but that can't be right, can it??) There's a thin line (looking at it from the outside) between taking a principled conservative stand against Romney (for not being conservative enough by your standards) and using that same rhetoric and those same memes to depress conservative turnout in the general election, argue that there's no difference between Romney and Obama so might as well not vote in the general, let Obama win-- teach "them" a lesson. Down with establishment, death to the GOP, let it all burn in an Obama second term.

So the frustration-- the irritation, the exasperation-- among some "Mittbots" is twofold: at the Obamabot mobys exploiting conservative rhetoric to get Obama elected, and at the actual conservatives whose principlesÂ… or "purity" or zealotry or resentment or pride or whatever leads them to aid and abet, to legitimate and strengthen, those Obamabot mobys' aims. So those Romney supporters who lash out are not just lashing out at ABR conservatives, but at the multitude of mobys who parrot ABR conservative rhetoric, so much so that it blends together. And Mittbots are already in general election mode: so their anger at Obama (and hence Obamabot mobys) naturally falls upon some of the conservatives whose rhetoric is indistinguishable from Obamabot mobys.

I have no problem with those voting against Romney in the primaries for principled reasons. I respect them: a sterling example is someone like mama winger. But anyone advocating not voting for Romney in the general election? Argh this drives me up the wall, my blood pressure shoots up, in Santorum's words it makes me want to vomit. Yes, it angers me. It's your vote, but UGH. You're going to sit out (and advocate others sitting out) on Obama's-- OBAMA'S-- "final election," after which he will have "more flexibility" (as he said to Medvedev)? What??? Are you insane??? (I'm sorry, I know this doesn't help. But this is what I feel.)

By the way, this is why Santorum's Romney = Obama, "might as well vote for Obama" rhetoric is IMO extremely reprehensible. Conservatives hated McCain for saying "there's nothing to fear from an Obama presidency." Yet here's Santorum, true conservative, on the brink of the general election, making the case to the American people that Obama-- the most radical leftist SCOAMF POTUS *ever*-- is basically indistinguishable from a Romney-- who may be a "moderate" but is nevertheless ideologically a standard Republican (and someone with extensive private sector and executive experience, patriotic American, etc. etc.). Hey America, it's perfectly reasonable for you to think Romney and Obama are so similar, you might as well vote for Obama! IMO that's just as bad as "there's nothing to fear from an Obama presidency".

A related factor is the "Operation Hilarity" shenanigans-- the fact that you have Kos and Michael Moore et all getting liberal Dems to vote Santorum. It's totally unfair to blame genuine Santorum supporters for that, or conflate them (just as it would be totally unfair to conflate genuine good faith Santorum supporters or anti-Romney conservative commenters with someone like curious ozfic catpiss). But if/ when they say the same kinds of things, or seem to have the same goals, it's natural that anger toward the one (Operation Hilarity or trolls like curious) would sometimes indirectly fall upon the other (diehard Santorum supporters or ABR conservatives). I'm not condoning such a conflation: I'm saying such a conflation is *wrong*. I would never exploit the loathsomeness of catpiss to argue against Santorum or for Romney. But I'm just saying that plays a part, psychologically, in the exasperation many Romney supporters might feel.

Gotta go, #2 coming later. Maybe. It's about bad faith and hypocrisy-- plenty of that to go around. But maybe there's no point in going on, pointing fingers-- after all, I take Ace's and Kensington's point, which is a good one. What's important now is not who's right or wrong, winning an argument in a blog comments section. It's about rallying together and getting the SCOAMF out. Whatever facilitates that, I'm all for.

434 "My own experience with coming over to Romney's side is this: Once you get past hating his guts, you kind of... like him."

If someone could explain this to me sincerely, it would do more than all the arguments about delegate math put together.

435 My concern is that conservatives seem to think beating Obama is so much more important than cleaning up the corrupt GOP. It's actually less important. We can survive four more years of Obama. We cannot survive twenty more years without a small-government party. I've heard all these arguments before. I voted for Bush. And what did I get? Republican leadership who sneered at PorkBusters and defended Cold Cash Jefferson. Eh, it's likely i'll "come around" in November. And it's likely I'll just end up kicking myself for it, yet again.

436 T.J. @449, have you watched any of Romney's recent speeches? E.g., the latest victory speech(es) or the speech he just gave to news editors (parallel to Obama's speech). I'd recommend that. If there's are any reasons to be thankful for the prolonged primaries, one is this: Mitt has greatly improved as a candidate.

In the end, what Romney supporters and Romney detractors may argue will sound hollow-- or be ineffective in moving you from whatever your current feelings toward Romney (pro or con) are. There are plenty of good arguments for Romney-- that are not just anti-Obama-- but those tend to fall on deaf ears (if you're already set against him). Anything us "Mittbots" might say isn't going to have much credibility for you. (Though probably Ace's account of his experience-- who was much more resistant to Romney throughout the primaries, yet has lately come around for the general-- if he cared to expand on it, would be more persuasive for you.)

But again, in the end, all of that will be secondhand. If you've already listened to recent Romney speeches and been turned off, then it may help for Ace or others to explain their shift. But if you haven't, I recommend listening to Romney himself-- not what other people say about Romney. You might be pleasantly surprised.

437 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

438 Well, lael (44 , I thought I had a lot to say, but you said a good deal of it for me. However, I would add just a couple of thoughts. As a Romney supporter since 2007, the thing that so repulsed me about Santorum saying that Romney = Obama is that it is just simply delusional. If he truly thinks that Romney would nominate SCOTUS justices that in ANY way resemble those that Obama would, I don't know whether to hate or pity him. If he really thinks that a Romney cabinet/Justice Department would in ANY way resemble what we are stuck with under Obama, I don't know whether he should be tarred and feathered or boiled in oil. It's simply incomprehensible to me. As for the Democrats voting in the primaries, I think you let Santorum off a little too easily. He not only openly embraced, but encouraged, their interference in the primaries. I also have a minor quibble with Ace vis-a-vis the Gadsden flag. Having attended Tea Party rallies, I think I can state that, while neither Romney nor Santorum represent the perfectly ideal Tea Party candidate, I certainly think Romney comes closer. As I understood it, the genesis of the movement was in reaction to the government's excessive conversion of personal wealth through taxation in order to facilitate an explosion in the size of government. Based on the rallies I attended, I don't recall Evangelicals having a share of the platform, but throughout this campaign, I have witnessed some stealthy attempts to rebrand the Tea Party as a social issues-driven movement, and not infrequently by Santorum supporters. If Santorum is, in fact, the Tea Party standard bearer, then I sadly misjudged their intent. Perhaps Tea Partiers could help me understand this a bit better. Unfortunately, I think Santorum gets it exactly backwards for my tastes- big on government solving every problem, big on government concerns with social issues. The reason I support Romney is because he supports less government, and less emphasis on social issues. I prefer that my government stay out of my personal life, especially when it thinks it's trying to help me!

439 Sandy B. I agree with 50% of what you said. You're right- we can't afford another 20 years without a small government party, but you are REALLY wrong- we can't afford another four years of Obama. Think how much bigger that government will be after four more years of him. Please don't think of just the POTUS, think of the runaway growth of government under his cabinet appointments. If the Republicans retain the House and (hopefully) win the Senate, Obama will do all of his damage through the executive bureaucracy. He's already strongly hinted as much. How many more Solyndras can we afford??

440 fuck the republican party. im getting sick of romney, his minions and even the leadership trying to imply the primary is over when the majority of voters havent had a chance to express their choice. i wont support a party that tries to prempt their own process this way. im tired of delaware and other pissant purple states deciding who runs for president. i might be staying home come november.

441 So I dont even get to fucking vote on our candidate because everyone wants it to be over before I even get to god-damn mfing vote. This god-damn sucks

442 I have to admire the brave but disappointed electorate here. They wanted to beat Obama but wanted to do it in a way that repudiates his ever winning in the first place. They wanted a candidate that was a Knight in Shining Armor and who's style and panache would out do the current President's obvious lies. Who would have made his/her election inevitable in spite of the efforts of an Obama worshiping Media and all the minority and fraudulent votes.


We wanted someone to publicly name Obama as the Marxist anti-capitalist anti american Manchurian candidate that we know he is in our souls.

McCain was too much a political animal to ever make unequivocal statements like that and tried to dress up his cowardice as being fair and civil.  He lost.

Many didn't care about being fair and civil and saw McCain's meek and mild handling of an obvious demagogue and charlatan as the final recognition of McCain's lack of fire or having any conservative tendencies so they stayed home.

I fear that the disappointment in Romney being candidate and his failure to inspire will lead to the same conclusion as 2008.  For much the same reasons that sunk McCain. We might even have a flash of zeal if Romney selects someone that would momentarily cause conservatives to forget all his negatives but who could that be at this point? Plus Romney doesn't have that "what the hell" gene like McCain did.

This is like O.J.'s trial. We know he's guilty (Obama) but the Prosecutors (RNC) are just not up to the level of showmanship of a Johnny Cochran. Add on top that they had lousy witnesses (Newt, Santorum, Perry, Bachmann, Cain, Paul et al) and didn't extract the testimony (inspiration) that would convince a jury (us) he was the killer.  They've given us a placeholder.

We know in our hearts Obama is going to win this. Not that he deserves it or that the Democrats have earned it. We've handed them the victory now that Romney's the candidate. We KNOW in our hearts we've lost. That is the real denial we're in right now.

We'll continue to fight on but this milquetoast, mediocre, lukewarm bucket of spit can't/won't win over Obama.

Welcome to the Umma of the West.

Face it the Old Media has won and the U.S. is swirling around the bowl. Best to get on with preparations for the inevitable.

443 Some of the comments are better suited for a high school forum.

Why the hatred for Romney?  It has to stem from a feeling of total uselessness..

Why the hatred of the GOP?  IF you hate the GOP you must love the Dimocrats.  Grow up, AH's; there is only ONE alternative to the Dimocrats and that is the GOP.  You can dream about your alternatives; but you can't  escape reality.   So, you can sit with our thumb up your ass, and let the Dims walk off with election; or you can STFU and go vote.  Those are the choices.

444 ______________________________

As long as Romney does not add a National Sales Tax to his election platform, Conservatives will overwhelmingly turn out to support him - as we should.

Many of us will even surprise ourselves and discover that we actually feel obligated to donate money to his election effort to defeat Obama - as we should.

Early on in the debates Santorum seemed in some ways more conservative than Romney but less likely to perform as well in a General Election. He seemed a perfectly acceptable alternative but who was very unlikely to pose a serious challenge to Romney because his polls were so low, his campaign lacked sufficient national organization, and he was not well funded.

In recent months Santorum proved to be a serious competitor. But he also surprised me by repeatedly revealing an abrasive and unpleasant side to his personality that is very off putting.

Ultimately, Santorum would have amounted to a snake-bit nominee and would have been a much tougher sell in the General Election. He chronically manages to blunder into and exacerbate polarizing issues; in years past he has produced a sizable catalog of in-artful rhetoric on divisive issues that would repeatedly come back to haunt him; and he often issues a disdainful - even disgusted - smirk and vocal tone when talking about or to his opponents. And unfortunately - to top it all off - Santorum has shown a propensity to eventually display a palpable personal animus and ugliness against his opponents. These are all significant (though not necessarily insurmountable) liabilities in a General Election.
Like I said, Santorum would have been the snake-bit option: acceptable but highly worrisome.

We need a Happy Warrior. We need someone who looks good even when he's attacking his opponent.

We have that in Romney.

We have our nominee. And he's good. And he's conservative.

445 How's about STFU about everyone STFU.

Still a free country and words are wind. Why does someone saying things you don't want to hear bother you so much?

Better that you STFD and take a deep breath.

It ain't over till November.

446 Moonbeam, agree with everything you said, especially: "we can't afford another four years of Obama." NO WE CAN'T.

447 Thanks- that's high praise coming from you!

448 Some of the comments are better suited for a high school forum.

Why the hatred for Romney? It has to stem from a feeling of total uselessness..

Why the hatred of the GOP? IF you hate the GOP you must love the Dimocrats. Grow up, AH's; there is only ONE alternative to the Dimocrats and that is the GOP. You can dream about your alternatives; but you can't escape reality. So, you can sit with our thumb up your ass, and let the Dims walk off with election; or you can STFU and go vote. Those are the choices.

Posted by: Topgun at April 05, 2012 10:14 PM (wvphK)

 

you reference high school and then pull the ole' "IF you hate the GOP you must love the dimocrats" that fucking line of logic comes straight out of middle school.

 

why should i support a party that doesnt care what my views are? they wont the primaries over than they need to set up a better schedule. not tell me my vote isnt needed, 4mil in the purple states are who gets to pick the candidate. sorry, not supporting or voting for that party.

449

If you can't vote against both the DIABLO and the weakest incumbent in history, then you don't want good government, now do you?

Pretty simple, really.

450

lots of misinformation here,

"Conservatives will flock to Romney in November"?  I think you mean "moderates and those posing as conservatives" will flock to Romney in November.

 "Why the hatred for Romney? It has to stem from a feeling of total uselessness.."

Actually, it has to stem from his being a liberal dressed in GOP clothing.  Romneycare, Cap n' Trade, tripling of gun license fees, appointing democrat judges at a 3:1 rate, thrice denying Reagan....

the hatred is from true conservatives who aren't blinded by the establishment and the constant flip-flopping of a candidate who's moral compass points only towards self-validation.

451 As a former Santorum guy, I appreciate this post, Ace. Very nicely written.

452 Ace, go ahead and delude yourself into thinking he's a conservative.  Have a few beers with your buddies and convince yourself Romney will run a good campaign in the general election.   I'm having none of it because Romney's record says otherwise.

The man simply can't relate to those who aren't part of his twin subcultures of Mormons and billionaire business men.   When he attempts to do so it is pathetic.  I was embarrassed for him in Wisconsin when he tried to show his human side by talking about his dad moving all of American Motor's operation to Wisconsin.  Great work Mitt!.  Remind voters again how you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth and that your dad also liked to shut down businesses and fire people. 

On the morning of the Wisconsin primary the prediction was the 2012 turnout might approach the 2008 level of 35%.  The evening of the Wisconsin primary the turnout came in at 23% and Romney got a whopping 41.1%. 

That is Mitt Romney's effect on voters and it could kill us down the ballot come November.  Romney is  simply the worse candidate I have seen on the national ticket in my lifetime.  That includes Hillary Clinton, a woman with all the political instincts of a stone. 

453 I'm tired of being a tool for a ruling class, Democrat and Republican, that continually sneers at me. Screw them and screw the Republican establishment.  I refuse to yet again validate them by participating in their charade.

I say let Obama win and let the whole damn thing collapse. Then free people can self-organize and pick up the pieces.

There. Got that out of my system.

454 My favorite was Perry, below that Pawlenty, below that Bachmann, and then Romney.  He is the last one standing so that probably bodes well for his ability to win in November.  Why someone would vote for Santorum who can't even win the Repub nomination I don't understand, he couldn't win the general.  Not likeable enough and the focus on social issues when the economy is on life support doesn't show good judgement.

455 I  supported Mitt in 08 (still have the Mitt '08 sticker on our Celica) and I support him now. 

What is so funny in 08 he was the "conservative alternative" and now he is the establishment, RINO, squish.  I guess that's good news because it shows how much the republicans are shifting right.

456 NC Mountain Girl, I'm a Tarheel myself, so I beg you, please don't embarrass our state by spouting nonsense. You know, it's really easy to Google the 2008 WI turnout- it was 402,699. The 2012 turnout was 784,660. So with nearly double the turnout, how could the percentage drop by a third? A massive migration to WI that wasn't covered in the press? Jeez. You might want to brush up on your math skills, so as not to provide more fodder for jokes about the hillbillies of Appalachia.

457 Evan- exactly!

458

I don't know anyone can support Santorum, the whiner and baldface liar. His PA constituents booted him out for lying to them and now he lies or mischaracterizes Mitt Romney's record in nearly every speech he gives. He is a nasty piece of work and is about as far from conservative you can get. Look at his record.

Romney, OTOH, is a hard-line fiscal conservative, which is exactly what we need.

Of course, if you want to keep "your woman" barefoot and pregnant as a 2nd class citizen, vote for Santorum. If you want to see your country pulled back from the brink of bankruptcy, nullify Obamacare if the court doesn't do it first, get a budget on the table and get to balancing it, then Mitt's your guy.

I predict that he will become one of our best presidents ever. To the cynics out there, I know it is rare, but Mitt is one those rarest in politics, a really good man. Honest, faithful, and true and someone who will always put the country first. Believe in America!!

459 "What is so funny in 08 he was the "conservative alternative" and..."

Compared to McCain, maybe.

But a conservative generally? Unlikely.

460 You all should just ignore Dagny, she's a mitt loving troll.

461 My own experience with coming over to Romney's side is this: Once you get past hating his guts, you kind of... like him. He is a cancerous tumor, but damn it, he's mine, mine, mine...I can't reject what's mine! The circular logic is fatally inevitable. So I have to hold my nose until it bleeds just to get rid of Obama? Ok, so after the inevitable election of Romney how many blood transfusions will I be needing? So help us Ace, if we are trading one turd for another you're going to hear about it until you're deaf or your fingers bleed from typing apologies.

462 ______________________________

It is clear that Mitt Romney will win the Republican Nomination for President.

Consequently, it is becoming ridiculously obvious that all remaining Romney-haters are effectively engaged in the campaign against him becoming President. (They can no longer cover themselves with the thin veil that they really just want to see someone else win the nomination. – That’s over.)

That essentially puts them in league with the Obama campaign.

And that's all we really need to know about them.
ItÂ’s ironic that they hurl the utterly irrational and lame insult that Romney supporters are trolls. We are? Really? Trolls pretend to be something other than they are.
But consider that they are the ones who are verbally tearing down a man of significant accomplishment who has embraced the Paul Ryan plan and who is solely challenging Obama for the Presidency. That makes them the trolls. – And from here on out, they should always be dismissed as such. Call them by their category:  Obama Trolls.

And even more specifically:  Romney Bashing Obama Trolls.    (Or:  RBOTs )

463 ______________________________

When there was a chance that an alternative candidate could win the Republican nomination, we could give the Romney-bashers the benefit of the doubt. Now, those who continue to bash Romney have no excuse left. They are Obama Trolls bashing Romney - plain and simple. They were probably always Obama Trolls pretending to support weaker nominees. - Just so they could get their jollies by ripping on the likely Republican nominee who would eventually be challenging their precious, messianic Obama.

Their continuing attacks on Romney reveal their true agenda.

464 I appreciate the reply, lael.  I listen more than I watch; I hear the candidates on radio more than I see them on video.  Romney's voice does this strange thing whenever he's challenged, and it gives me the creeps.  I wasn't impressed with Bush in 1999, though, and I thought he'd grown a lot as a candidate by the convention.

I'll try to take your advice and listen more to Romney and less to Romney's cheerleaders.  If I notice a change, I'll report back.  Thanks again.