January 13, 2012

Marines May Face Prosecution For Peeing On Corpses
— Ace

The real crime was the felony stupid of videotaping it.

A lot of people seem upset by this. I think it's upsetting that now these guys are probably going to get cashiered over a stupid act. But the act itself doesn't really upset me.

The whole point of a rule against corpse desecration is that you show respect and honor to the fallen one. But what if that fallen one had been trying to kill you not ten minutes before, and in fact you had killed him before he killed you?

It's not that suddenly you're permitted to pee on the corpse. The point is that they natural sympathy for a dead person that most people would feel is entirely absent in this case -- in fact, you feel something pretty close to hate; I'm not sure there's any other way you can feel about a terrorist dirtbag who was just trying to kill you and your friends -- so you're not naturally going to feel that you should treat the corpse with respect.

Your training and discipline should kick in to supplement that and keep you from doing this, but your natural moral sense isn't there. Because, seriously, the hell with this terrorist.

In addition, people who don't see corpses very often are naturally reverential about them. Awestruck to see what death looks like. Those who see it frequently lose that, almost just as a coping strategy. The first dead body a medical student sees might be cause to contemplate the mortality of man; the tenth dead body and jokes start occurring to him, like spinning around in surprise and accusing the corpse of grabbing his ass.

This happens, and yet those guys aren't monsters. They're just dealing with dead bodies every day.

Likewise these Marines aren't monsters. They don't have the advantage most civilians do, of being unfamiliar with corpses and hence a little awestruck by them. They see this a fair amount.

Nonetheless, this was certainly stupid, and bad for their fellow troops, both in terms of exciting the enemy and disrespecting the uniform of the Corps. They'll probably be ejected from the Corps, which is probably a good thing, since their discipline and judgement seem to be lacking. They also seem to have put their own hijinks above the Corps and their fellow Marines.

Posted by: Ace at 07:33 AM | Comments (334)
Post contains 404 words, total size 2 kb.

1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 07:35 AM (8y9MW)

2 Some people pay extra for that.

Or so I've heard.

Posted by: jwpaine at January 13, 2012 07:36 AM (FUozQ)

3 I'd pay good money to piss on that fat fuck Ibrahim Cooper.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at January 13, 2012 07:36 AM (yQwq5)

4 I probably wouln't piss on the corpse myself, because I'm a Christian and believe in offering basic respect to all men and women as children of God, but I don't have a huge problem with what the Marines do.

I don't have a huge *moral* problem.  I have a practical problem. What they did was stuck on stupid, and they should pay a price on those terms.  No criminal sentence, because they didn't do anything wrong.  But cashiered, probably.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Proud Mormon at January 13, 2012 07:37 AM (baC5d)

5 wsj journalist daniel pearl was unavailable for comment

Posted by: newrouter at January 13, 2012 07:37 AM (xD4bD)

6

I can walk and chew gum at the same time:

1) These marines should not have done this.  They also should not have video taped it.

2) Let's not freak out over this.  They are in a very high stress environment, let's cut them some slack. 

Watching the left go bonkers over this is ridiculous.  This is warfare and things like this happen.  It is unfortunate, but get some damn perspective.

Posted by: dan-O at January 13, 2012 07:37 AM (sWycd)

7 When the Kaaba is being used as an outhouse, get back to me.

Posted by: DarkLord©, Rogue Commenter at January 13, 2012 07:37 AM (GBXon)

8 You should read some of the stories from the Pacific in WWII.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 13, 2012 07:37 AM (o0pY6)

9 meh...a golden shower; did a few scenes with those in my early days on the circuit.

Posted by: Ron Jeremy at January 13, 2012 07:37 AM (YNtav)

10 Don't. Get. This. At. All.

Posted by: Richard I at January 13, 2012 07:38 AM (yQwq5)

11 Poor judgement, to be sure, on the part of the Marines, particularly recording it.  But I won't lose any sleep over it. 

I'm still trying to remember any CAIR outrage at the beheading of any number of kidnap victims, or their outrage over the corpses that were dragged through the streets, burned and then hung from a bridge.

Posted by: jjmurphy at January 13, 2012 07:38 AM (xjEAl)

12 When the Kaaba is being used as an outhouse, get back to me. Posted by: DarkLord©, Rogue Commenter at January 13, 2012 11:37 AM (GBXon) I'll lay odds it smells like one

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 07:38 AM (i6RpT)

13 You know what?  When you're an "ambassador" for your country (and that's what they always told us in ROTC, Sig Officer school, etc.), then you have a fiduciary duty to your country.  That means, if peeing on corpses is going to negatively reflect on your country, YOU DON'T FUCKING DO IT, no matter how many of your friends the subhumans killed.  Why?  Because it's going to make your country look bad (or at least have to do damage control).

Yeah, and videotaping is proof that you are too dumb to serve.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 13, 2012 07:38 AM (dZ756)

14 Sorry, typed without thinking.  Don't want to start another Mormon/anti-Mormon flamewar.

So replace "I'm a Christian,' with 'I identify as a Christian' or 'I'm a believer in Jesus Christ' or whatever else makes the point without making you feel like I want to touch your Bible without wearing gloves.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 13, 2012 07:39 AM (baC5d)

15 Maybe they was just tryin' to recreate them 'piss on you bumper sticker' thangys?

Posted by: Slack-Jawed Yokel at January 13, 2012 07:39 AM (YNtav)

16 I don't get the ZOMFG!!11! TEH OUTRAGEZ!! over this.

Besides, I'm sure they were just trying to cool the corpses off.

Posted by: Andy at January 13, 2012 07:39 AM (5Rurq)

17 I think you're right about the Conservative reaction to this- what they did was stupid and they shouldn't have done it, but to get cashiered for it?  Really?

OTOH: If they don't get disciplined (and since they were stupid enough to video tape this and post it, that discipline MUST be public), I'm not sure what else the military can do.

Anything less will seem like a "don't get caught, next time" response- which is not a terribly helpful reputation to have when attempting to deal with the indigenous population, I'd imagine.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 07:39 AM (8y9MW)

18 The corpses didn't seem to mind.

Posted by: Dang at January 13, 2012 07:39 AM (BbX1b)

19 Coexist, man.

Posted by: An OWS Douchebag at January 13, 2012 07:40 AM (yQwq5)

20 By the way in my humble opinion this will pass pretty fast since President Bush is not longer in Office and the liberals and the NY Times Yada Yada Yada will never try to pin this on obama, it will disappear before your eyes.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 07:41 AM (i6RpT)

21

You know, fuck these muzzie goat fuckers. They should have cut their damn heads off and shit down their necks. That's just me though.

 

Posted by: Cast Iron at January 13, 2012 07:41 AM (0ftSV)

22 They should have just thrown acid in the faces of girls who were learning to read. At least that doesn't seem to generate much of an uproar over there.

Posted by: OCBill at January 13, 2012 07:42 AM (YJvVE)

23 They were just recreating the scene from Shogun. Am I the only one that remembers that mini series?

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 13, 2012 07:42 AM (o0pY6)

24 Kill 'em?  No problem.  Piss on 'em?  OMG!!!!!11!!1

Posted by: The New York Times at January 13, 2012 07:42 AM (yQwq5)

25 As for those saying, "It's not as bad as what they would have done!"

Didn't you learn in school that you don't lower your behavior just because the other guy can't be held to your standard?  We don't do that kind of thing.  There are a variety of reasons (respect for the dead and their families is only part of it), but regardless of the specific reason: we don't do it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 07:42 AM (8y9MW)

26 Maybe the 72 virgins get turned on by the smell of urine. Did anyone ever think of that?

Posted by: jwpaine at January 13, 2012 07:42 AM (FUozQ)

27 Another point is that people under the acute stress of combat who are surrounded by so much death and carnage tend to develop a pretty macabre sense of humor as a response to the horror they are immersed in, and will naturally do things like this that people not in their position will not understand or interpret as inhumane and horrific. They are if they are products of a flawed personality, and there are people like that. These marines are not among them however. They are victims of acute stress which will develop into PTSD if not treated. This kind of behavior will happen regularly if they are not adequately supervised and treated for their stress.

Posted by: neuromancer at January 13, 2012 07:43 AM (THbwo)

28 If you crush your enemies, you don't have to win their hearts or minds.

Posted by: toby928© at January 13, 2012 07:43 AM (GTbGH)

29 And by enemies, I mean the MFM.

Posted by: toby928© at January 13, 2012 07:44 AM (GTbGH)

30 Revision to marine Corps Code of Conduct:

Article VII: Do not make a video of yourself or you comrades pissing on the enemy.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 13, 2012 07:44 AM (eEfYn)

31 dan-O, Empire, That's my take, pretty much. I don't want to form a Shame Circle to ritually denounce them, or to make them some kind of Internet Villains. But yeah, if you're Felony Stupid enough to videotape propaganda for the enemy, and evidence of your own court-martial-level misbehavior, you probably don't have the judgment and sense to be an effective trooper for the Marines. That said, I get it. People who are all upset about disrespecting a corpse are, I'm pretty sure, people no one's attempted to kill. I imagine this is a difference chiefly of *experience*, not morality. It's not that they lack morality. It's that they have an experience we don't, and that makes them think about things a little different. But they fell down on the code, so, as a professional matter, they need professional discipline. I guess that's my feeling here, that there's a difference between professional discipline and a kind of personalized shaming and crying out "Oh what monsters have we become?" Because seriously if anyone attempts to kill me, and I somehow manage to kill him in return, that guy's getting pissed on, for starters. I don't have training to restrain me. If I somehow make it out of that situation by some asshole who tried to kill me, there's going to be some abuse of corpse going on, at least unless I can start thinking about how it will look in front of a jury.

Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 07:44 AM (nj1bB)

32 Now if I remember the MFM template correctly, the Marines only acted this way because of a culture that has been fostered from the very top, the CinC. The question we should be asking is, when did Barack give these Marines the order to desecrate these bodies?

Posted by: mugiwara at January 13, 2012 07:44 AM (D5hxK)

33 They were just recreating the scene from Shogun.

Am I the only one that remembers that mini series? Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney

I remember that scene!  Kinda stuck with me for some reason.

Posted by: Dang at January 13, 2012 07:45 AM (BbX1b)

34 It was dumb to video tape that shit. I dont really hate the act, it's just this gives the military more work now.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 13, 2012 07:45 AM (k04sq)

35 I guess this means you can't collect their ears anymore either.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 13, 2012 07:45 AM (eEfYn)

36 They had to offer 3day passes to Marines to bring in a Jap prisoner for questioning. All the captured one's seemed to die before the Marines returned to base.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 13, 2012 07:45 AM (o0pY6)

37 The question we should be asking is, when did Barack give these Marines the order to desecrate these bodies?

Nice.

Posted by: abu ghraib at January 13, 2012 07:46 AM (GTbGH)

38 It's not that they lack morality. It's that they have an experience we don't, and that makes them think about things a little different.

Moral Relativism is the epitome of a slippery slope.  If they hold the same morals I do, then they failed them.  Let's not excuse their behavior because of their "experience."

Their situation may explain the behavior, but it doesn't excuse it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 07:47 AM (8y9MW)

39 >>> Didn't you learn in school that you don't lower your behavior just because the other guy can't be held to your standard? We don't do that kind of thing. There are a variety of reasons (respect for the dead and their families is only part of it), but regardless of the specific reason: we don't do it. nonsense. "Respect for the dead" isn't some absolute. None of you guys respect Osama bin Ladin; why should a marine respect one of Osama's henchmen, who just tried to kill him? There is no inborn sense that a scumbag killer ought to be respected in death. There is only an ethic -- a man-made code imposed upon the psyche -- that says so. So their breach was ethical, not of deep inborn morality.

Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 07:47 AM (nj1bB)

40

They should be punished for disobeying orders - since they were presumably given the Laws of Armed Conflict lecture before deployment. And for being so terminally stupid to tape it and post the frigging tape.

What's really disgusting is the caterwauling and hysterics by SecState etc.

Posted by: Simon Oliver Lockwood at January 13, 2012 07:47 AM (PaV2r)

41 While it is a symptom of the lawless regime's lawlessness, I don't really care that much. I mean, it's wrong, but it's not on the level of collecting ears or anything. plus, maybe these were known assholes they killed, like members of AQ's torture squad.

Posted by: joeindc44 - fully stoked tebow crazed rioter at January 13, 2012 07:48 AM (QxSug)

42 I hope their MRE's from the night before had Asparagus in them.

Posted by: garrett at January 13, 2012 07:48 AM (vt5AI)

43 So their breach was ethical, not of deep inborn morality. Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 11:47 AM (nj1bB) Well their breach was also against DIRECT orders not to do this type of thing and for G-D's sake don't video it!

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 07:49 AM (i6RpT)

44 You should read some of the stories from the Pacific in WWII.

Or Vietnam.  Collecting ears, belly buttons, that sort of thing.

Posted by: CUS at January 13, 2012 07:49 AM (84pE9)

45 32 Now if I remember the MFM template correctly, the Marines only acted this way because of a culture that has been fostered from the very top, the CinC. The question we should be asking is, when did Barack give these Marines the order to desecrate these bodies? Posted by: mugiwara at January 13, 2012 11:44 AM (D5hxK) This.

Posted by: Equal Rights Amendment at January 13, 2012 07:49 AM (x7g7t)

46 You should read some of the stories from the Pacific in WWII. Or Vietnam. Collecting ears, belly buttons, that sort of thing. Posted by: CUS at January 13, 2012 11:49 AM (84pE9) All very very true, but today's technology has changed many things

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 07:50 AM (i6RpT)

47 Hillary's State Department will quickly illustrate how NOT to handle such things.

Posted by: garrett at January 13, 2012 07:50 AM (vt5AI)

48

What's really disgusting is the caterwauling and hysterics by SecState etc.

Posted by: Simon Oliver Lockwood at January 13, 2012 11:47 AM (PaV2r)

But that's all she's got.

Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 07:50 AM (X6akg)

49 Remember when stupid crap like this was the fault of the President/SecrDef?

Posted by: passably affable at January 13, 2012 07:50 AM (sGRXI)

50 This is sort of like Sam Kinneson's advice about don't videotape yourself having sex. No one wants to see your Fuck Face.

I just can't get worked up by this. These guys are Young Fucking Studs involved in combat. Your adrenalin and emotions run pretty high when involved in shit like that.
Yes, someone should have had the sense to put the brakes on this, but only because of the reaction were seeing from the passengers of The Outrage Train.

Posted by: GrumpyUnk at January 13, 2012 07:51 AM (3VomX)

51 I can promise you that we will conduct a full investigation to find out who put those dead Taliban in the Marines' latrine.

Posted by: Sec. Of Defense John Bolton at January 13, 2012 07:51 AM (jiwQf)

52 None of you guys respect Osama bin Ladin;

Excuse me?  I certainly had no respect for Osama bin Laden (ladin? whatever), but once he was dead my animosity for him was over.  He'll rot in hell, and I don't need to do anything to make it worse.

However cathartic and viscerally satisfying desecrating his corpse might have been, it still wouldn't have been okay. 

And I do respect at least some members of his family.  Not everyone in his family was (is) a monster, and they lost a family member.  So it's not just respect for him at play, there.

I won't even get into actual religious/moral values like "The Golden Rule," or anything like that.

There is only an ethic -- a man-made code imposed upon the psyche -- that says so.

I already said I won't get into religious/moral values, so I'll just leave that with "I respectfully disagree."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 07:51 AM (8y9MW)

53 "Should you find that in the course of your assigned combat duties you kill one or more enemy combatants you must follow these guidelines in the handling of the bodies:

1. Under no circumstances should you piss on the bodies.
2. Respectfully wrap each corpse (or corps) respectfully in the pigskins which you have been issued for this purpose.
3. Respectfully dump the bodies in a shallow grave."

Posted by: RioBravo at January 13, 2012 07:51 AM (eEfYn)

54 32 Now if I remember the MFM template correctly, the Marines only acted this way because of a culture that has been fostered from the very top, the CinC. The question we should be asking is, when did Barack give these Marines the order to desecrate these bodies?

Posted by: mugiwara at January 13, 2012 11:44 AM (D5hxK)

Of course not, silly!  They were all personally trained by that war criminal, Boooooooooooosh.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at January 13, 2012 07:51 AM (ggRof)

55

So, when I first heard about this story, my initial reaction was, "so what."  If they were pissing on some live terrorist they had captured, I'd have a problem with that (not a huge problem, mind you, but a problem).  But I simply don't care about them pissing on a corpse.

Does that mean I have no shred of humanity left?

Posted by: OSUsux at January 13, 2012 07:52 AM (aOaj7)

56 I wonder how many times this stuff actually happens? I'm sure it does, dont blame them, most aren't stupid enough to video tape it.

I hear Obama's planning on combining departments. An election move sure, but it could seriously get looked at.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 13, 2012 07:52 AM (k04sq)

57 Personally, I think the Marines in question should have dropped a duece on them.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 13, 2012 07:52 AM (L8r/r)

58 But yeah, if you're Felony Stupid enough to videotape propaganda for the enemy, and evidence of your own court-martial-level misbehavior, you probably don't have the judgment and sense to be an effective trooper for the Marines.

Sounds like a Very Smart Military Blog™ to me.

Posted by: Andy at January 13, 2012 07:53 AM (5Rurq)

59 >>> Well their breach was also against DIRECT orders not to do this type of thing and for G-D's sake don't video it! but that's what i mean by ethic, not morals. Morality is an inborn sense of what is (the law calls) mala in se, bad in and of itself. Ethics concerns what the law would call mala prohibata, bad because a rule says it's bad. Honestly, if these guys were civilians, and the Taliban just attempted to murder them, would you say anything but HA!!!! if they then filmed themselves peeing the corpses of their would-be killers? Smearing pork on them? No, you'd say "Nice." Now these guys can't do that because they are professional soldiers. But that's an ethical thing. They're not monsters. They're probably just not good Marines. They may be good Marines in some areas, but their discipline and judgment is lacking, and they didn't seem to think about the Corps when doing this.

Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 07:53 AM (nj1bB)

60 Excuse me?  I certainly had no respect for Osama bin Laden (ladin? whatever), but once he was dead my animosity for him was over.  He'll rot in hell, and I don't need to do anything to make it worse.
-0------------------------------
They should've wrapped him in bacon.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 13, 2012 07:53 AM (k04sq)

61 The real crime was the felony stupid of videotaping it. ********* ugh. Vietnam forever changed the way in which we have to conduct warfare because it brought the war home in a way-to civilians-right in their living room. There's an old saying: War is ugly. Essentially you are asking young men to break the social norms... Anyways-we've had to change the methodology of warfare to conform with that reality. Some ask the question: Why can't we just carpet bomb the hell out of _____ ? Well because of the very real change that media has brought to warfare. It's necessitated "precision" bombing and the like. Now let's multiply that effect- the camera and video is literally everywhere and it's going to exasperate the above ten fold.

Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 07:53 AM (r2PLg)

62 Doing it may have been understandable, if odd; I don't have the experience to say one way or another. Taping it was downright idiotic; yes, by all means let's make the job of the Taliban Department of Propaganda and Infidel Smearing easier. The outrage is pointless -- no, it's not Abu Grahib. If you want to see abuse of a corpse, take a look at what happened to Ayatollah Khomeini's worthless husk -- freakin' hilarious.

Posted by: joncelli, spewing pea green soup at January 13, 2012 07:53 AM (RD7QR)

63 I won't even get into actual religious/moral values like "The Golden Rule," or anything like that.

It's now the Golden Shower rule.

Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 07:53 AM (X6akg)

64

We should defer to the Japanese Military Code of Conduct on this issue.

Also put a glass coffee table over the copse before releading yourself.

Posted by: Ben at January 13, 2012 07:54 AM (wuv1c)

65 *releasing

Posted by: Ben at January 13, 2012 07:54 AM (wuv1c)

66  As far as the actual act of pissing on a dead Taliban fuckstick,  my Gove-A-Shit meter still has not moved.

Posted by: Dang at January 13, 2012 07:54 AM (BbX1b)

67

Barack Hussein Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

I denounce myself.

Posted by: Alte Schule at January 13, 2012 07:54 AM (MLJu8)

68 They should've wrapped him in bacon.

I didn't say we should grant him any special honor, either.  Remember: bacon makes everything better.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 07:54 AM (8y9MW)

69

Yeah, there's probably a section in the UCMJ about not peeing on corpses.  Therefore...

Article 15.  Half month's pay (suspended), loss of rank (1 grade), 1 week restriction.

Next case...

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2012 07:54 AM (TOk1P)

70 Don't like it one bit - toe... what can I say, but I understand how the marines must have felt.  I would prefer they save a can of Spam and shove it in their gaping maw.  Much like an "Ace of Spades" card back in the 60s.

Posted by: dblwmy at January 13, 2012 07:55 AM (BvTwT)

71 Morality is an inborn sense of what is (the law calls) mala in se, bad in and of itself. Ethics concerns what the law would call mala prohibata, bad because a rule says it's bad.

Isn't that a line from Legally Blonde?

Posted by: Andy at January 13, 2012 07:55 AM (5Rurq)

72 Repeat of vast argument previously this morning. This is just a reflection of a military nenutted by PC bullshit and too many JAG officers.

Get JAG out of the military and have their NCO counsel them on giving video evidence to the enemy in the media and the CIC.

Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2012 07:55 AM (YdQQY)

73

When I read stuff like this, the first thing that always comes to mind is - what is it about young people (am assuming these marines were < 25 years old or so) videotapping every damn thing they do? Oh look, my cat is peeing - lets take a video; my girlfriend is naked - lets take a video, etc. etc. Or better yet, let me update my Facebook status every damn time I do something inane. Sheesh!

Posted by: IC at January 13, 2012 07:55 AM (jZNCU)

74 The urinating thing really bothers me. I could get spitting on the dead bodies, especially in the heat of the moment. Motherfuckers tried to kill me, that gets a nice swift kick and and spit on the bodies. But these Marines weren't in the heat of the moment. They seemed relaxed, laughing, and then went and urinated on the terrorist bodies for funsies apparently. It just seems so lewd and unbecoming. That said, they shouldn't be railroaded either, and disciplined according to marine policy, anything more and it's high jingo bullshit.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at January 13, 2012 07:55 AM (v6GqR)

75 Posted by: chemjeff at January 13, 2012 11:54 AM (7FadD)

Agreed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 07:55 AM (8y9MW)

76 Face it.  If they didn't get drummed out of the Corp(se), Obama was just going to lay them off anyway.

Posted by: John Kerry at January 13, 2012 07:55 AM (e8kgV)

77 This happened because of Bush's illegal wars. It is not the all knowing, all caring and all brilliant President Obama's fault becuase he loves the Taliban Children. No, it is definitely Bush'd fault because without Bush we would not be in the ME......So this would not have happened ..............Praise Allah for Obama !!!

Posted by: Wall_E at January 13, 2012 07:56 AM (48wze)

78

Morality is an inborn sense of what is (the law calls) mala in se, bad in and of itself. Ethics concerns what the law would call mala prohibata, bad because a rule says it's bad.

>>Isn't that a line from Legally Blonde?

Or as Ace called it "Law School".

Posted by: Ben at January 13, 2012 07:56 AM (wuv1c)

79 my girlfriend is naked - lets take a video

Uhhh.  Link please?

Posted by: CUS at January 13, 2012 07:57 AM (84pE9)

80 This is stupid, what ever happened to slaps on the wrist? I guess that only happens with fucking officers.

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 13, 2012 07:57 AM (Z9ymd)

81 How is this helping us win their Hearts and Minds?

Posted by: Libtard Extraordinaire at January 13, 2012 07:57 AM (YUwuZ)

82 ...videotapping every damn thing they do? Yeah really. Who the fuck thought it would be a kick and a half to video a bunch of guys whizzing away? What is this, an MTV reality show?

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at January 13, 2012 07:57 AM (v6GqR)

83 >>>However cathartic and viscerally satisfying desecrating his corpse might have been, it still wouldn't have been okay. It would have been okay by me. Unwise but not morally blameworthy. You know I worked in a hospital and occasionally had to move corpses in high school. The first couple of times you're all reverential and asking people "Is it okay to do x?" Because your inborn sense is to treat the corpse with some kind of special respect. By the eighth time you're just moving a mass and being grateful it's a thin old woman rather than a fat man. And don't tell me "Oh I'm so moral I never would have just considered them a mass." Nonsense. Doctors and cops who make macabre jokes about corpses aren't less moral than you. They just have jobs where they've been desensitized to corpses and are now in the gallows humor phase of things.

Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 07:57 AM (nj1bB)

84

WAR ENSEMBLE

 

'THE FINAL SWING IS NOT A DRILL, IT'S HOW MANY PEOPLE I CAN KILL!!!'

Posted by: SLAYER! at January 13, 2012 07:57 AM (vt5AI)

85 If Abu Ghraib was all Bush's fault...

then this is all Obama's fault.

Posted by: Naqamel at January 13, 2012 07:58 AM (UMwMT)

86 It;s better to know that the dead Taliban are in the afterlife being fucked by 72 virgin.....pigs

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 13, 2012 07:58 AM (k04sq)

87 Daniel Pearl was unavailable for comment.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at January 13, 2012 07:58 AM (iaOP0)

88

Funny part is - the Talis that got peed on don't get to go to Paradise, don't get their 72 virgins. 

It's in the ahadith, someone who touches urine loses their place in Paradise.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 13, 2012 07:58 AM (+inic)

89 Really poor judgment. 

I don't care about the dead guy, but ace is right.  And, yeah, in a less PC era they would not get drummed out of the marines, but it is what it is.  They should have known better. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 13, 2012 07:58 AM (5H6zj)

90 #44 CUS . But soldiers in Vietnam were bad men and soldiers in WWII were our greatest generation. My sarcastic point being this is human nature in war. You can supress this nature but you will never eliminate it.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 13, 2012 07:59 AM (o0pY6)

91 For the record the 99.999% of Sailors and Marines I serve with are some of the greatest people I have ever met. Just being around them keeps me young and feeling good about this Country. Lets keep that in mind and move on, the sky ain't falling.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 07:59 AM (i6RpT)

92 >>>Isn't that a line from Legally Blonde? could be, but it's a real thing. it gets taught in law school. I remember it because it's so easy to remember it. what I don't remember is secured and unsecured debt in a liquidation.

Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 07:59 AM (nj1bB)

93 The fact that 'we Americans' are concerned about this at all is one reason why we are unlikely to ever win another war against a determined adversary.  If we per chance do so (Iraq 2003) we'll decide to stay around long enough to make sure we don't 'win' in the end.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 13, 2012 07:59 AM (eEfYn)

94 "What a cruel thing is war; to separate and destroy families and friends, and mar the purest joys and happiness God has granted us in this world; to fill our hearts with hatred instead of love for our neighbours, and to devastate the fair face of this beautiful world! "

"It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it."
- Robert E. Lee

Posted by: GrumpyUnk at January 13, 2012 08:00 AM (3VomX)

95 How long before SCOAMF call the dead Taliban scumbags' families to apologize?

Posted by: Beth at January 13, 2012 08:00 AM (kBxk7)

96 This is a good teaching moment for Obama.  The difference of corps and corpse.

Posted by: What would Hitch do? at January 13, 2012 08:00 AM (zFMCq)

97 Doctors and cops who make macabre jokes about corpses aren't less moral than you. They just have jobs where they've been desensitized to corpses and are now in the gallows humor phase of things.

If you can't see the difference between bad jokes and peeing on a corpse, maybe you need to review your own morals, ace.

As for moving a body?  I don't see how that has any moral component at all, outside of some rare (and sick) circumstances.  They body isn't going to move on its own, after all.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 08:01 AM (8y9MW)

98 When you gotta go, you gotta go.

Posted by: Sgt. Hartman at January 13, 2012 08:01 AM (YmPwQ)

99 The marines need to be prosecuted for the act of videotapping to the fullest extent of the law, that was just felony stupid.

For the act of peeing...not so much.

Posted by: Fire with Fire at January 13, 2012 08:01 AM (lcwvr)

100 Didn't Obama have a presser scheduled at 11:20 to blather on about streamlining the government? I don't have the liberty of watching that stuff at work. Ace, were you covering it?

Posted by: JoeInMD at January 13, 2012 08:01 AM (Xwgt3)

101 So their breach was ethical, not of deep inborn morality.

I'd put this as morally equivalent to pissing on their superiors tent. You may be angry with him but you also know there will be hell to pay if you're caught. Video taping anything stupid you do that will have consequences proves your an idiot.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2012 08:01 AM (tf9Ne)

102 Obama pees on the corps.  The marines pee on the corpse.

Posted by: What would Hitch do? at January 13, 2012 08:01 AM (zFMCq)

103 I think we really would all just love to do this. But we're sick fucks that way.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 13, 2012 08:02 AM (p/cIU)

104 I know how to punish these Marines.  I would give them a slap on the wrist and get a written promise from all of them promising that they will not pee on any more dead Tally-bahners. They will instead expend more effect into making more dead Tally-bahners.  Problem solved! 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 13, 2012 08:02 AM (9hSKh)

105 @96 Bad you forgot that, because that's gonna be some critical knowledge if things don't get better quick.

Posted by: Dave at January 13, 2012 08:02 AM (Xm1aB)

106 Taliban spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahed: "This is yet another barbaric act by foreign forces..." ...But he added: “I don’t think this new issue will affect negotiations" *

Posted by: Teh Obvious, Belabored at January 13, 2012 08:02 AM (l1oyw)

107

>?>>And don't tell me "Oh I'm so moral I never would have just considered them a mass." Nonsense. Doctors and cops who make macabre jokes about corpses aren't less moral than you. They just have jobs where they've been desensitized to corpses and are now in the gallows humor phase of things.

I went camping with a group once and one of the campers was a local cop.

He was telling us a story how desensitized to death they become.

He gave us a story of a man who was run over, got caught on the bottom of a car, and was dragged and torn apart for over a mile. Just a man out walking. A father, a son, a brother, etc. Just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The guy who was telling this story said he was first on the scene and that the first thing the second cop to arrive said to him was, "who ordered the pizza."

It seemed heartless, cruel and sad to me, but I don't see that stuff daily. It's new to me, but a weekly occurence to them.

The point being it's hard to judge someone in that situation, because I have no experience. I have no evidence of how I would act if I were in their shoes. In all likelihood, I would probably end up the same way.

Posted by: Ben at January 13, 2012 08:02 AM (wuv1c)

108 >>>And, yeah, in a less PC era they would not get drummed out of the marines I dont' think it's the era that's PC. Patton got heat for slapping that soldier, right? What's different is ubiquitous video cameras, and people's strange embrace of the idea of documenting every stupid thing they do, like they're starring in their own version of Jackass. of course this has always happened. @petitedov linked something about marines pissing on Japanese corpses in WWII. It's these damn cameras and people's weird lack of comprehension that being an idiot in front of two buddies is no big deal, but being an idiot in front of the entire world is a problem.

Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 08:02 AM (nj1bB)

109 By the way the Taliban don't seem to give a rat's ass about this since obama is in the process of surrendering. They seem to be able to keep the eye on the ball.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 08:02 AM (i6RpT)

110 Didn't Obama have a presser scheduled at 11:20 to blather on about streamlining the government? I don't have the liberty of watching that stuff at work. Ace, were you covering it?

Yes just put up an entry on the previous post about it.

Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2012 08:02 AM (YdQQY)

111

My old man was a Marine Combat Vet in Korea. This incident pales in comparison to the stories he used to tell me of what happened in that war. I once asked him, how he felt at the time these things were going on and he said  that you can't view what happens in combat with the same eyes that you look on things in a safe and structured environment like we have here in America.

He told me that making judgements while setting in your favorite chair in the peace of your fully climate controlled home is an entire other universe from the nightmare of war. He ended with the statement that in his experience in combat, an individual must develop moral flexibility in order to operate, even though his entire upbringing and culture would direct the oposite. My old man was a hard ass but he wasn't evil. Either are these Marines.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at January 13, 2012 08:03 AM (BupRb)

Posted by: Your Masters, GWAR at January 13, 2012 08:03 AM (vt5AI)

113 >>>Didn't Obama have a presser scheduled at 11:20 to blather on about streamlining the government? I don't have the liberty of watching that stuff at work. Ace, were you covering it? I didn't know. Putting tv on now. maybe he's late, as usual.

Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 08:04 AM (nj1bB)

114

I would have preferred tea bagging myself.  By the female Marines.

All this is is a faux civil rights issue for the anti-military worldwide media and Facebook cognitwattery; nobody else gives a shit.  I'd have preferred that they put the dead irregulars into hilarioius poses before urinating into their mouths.   

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 13, 2012 08:04 AM (Ec6wH)

115 This is probably a violation of article 134 UCMJ, the catch all article. Or a violation of some standing order in how to respect bodies or the proper procedure for handling them. Give the fucks an article 15, extra duty take a stripe, and then send them in their way. FYI I'm in a JAG unit

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 13, 2012 08:04 AM (Z9ymd)

116 >> what I don't remember is secured and unsecured debt in a liquidation.

Yeah, lots of people forget that one.

Posted by: GM Bondholders at January 13, 2012 08:04 AM (5Rurq)

117 I wish all they did was pee on me

Posted by: Mussolini at January 13, 2012 08:05 AM (VxqUc)

118 I didn't know. Putting tv on now. maybe he's late, as usual.

Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 12:04 PM (nj1bB)

Believe it or not, he's come and gone already.

I turned it off.

Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 08:05 AM (X6akg)

119 Doctors and cops who make macabre jokes about corpses aren't less moral than you. They just have jobs where they've been desensitized to corpses and are now in the gallows humor phase of things. When was the last time you saw a cop whizzing on a dead body though? I don't give a shit about the dead, but I am concerned about the Marines' behavior that they would think nothing of whipping out their dicks and participating in a group urination party in front of somebody's video cam. Maybe it's a generational thing, I dunno. I never got Beavis and Butthead either.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at January 13, 2012 08:05 AM (v6GqR)

120

The Tallyban deserve an emoticon of respect, the least the soldiers could have done was wipe the seat when they were done.

 

Posted by: Megan McMac-attack at January 13, 2012 08:05 AM (8ieXv)

121 Maybe it's a generational thing, I dunno.

If it's a generational thing, I was born 20 years too late.
Of course, I "got" Beavis and Butthead.  I just didn't think it was funny.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 08:06 AM (8y9MW)

122 I think he already gave that speech. He is co-opting GOP ideas for independents.
Mitt Romney's response: Good Job Mr. President! (I made that up)

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 13, 2012 08:06 AM (k04sq)

123 If we can show the dead people were Christian, i'm sure we can have the charges dismissed...

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at January 13, 2012 08:07 AM (SO2Q8)

124 113 >>>And, yeah, in a less PC era they would not get drummed out of the marines

I dont' think it's the era that's PC. Patton got heat for slapping that soldier, right?

---

Well, I'm just speculating, but to me it is partly the PC era.  The folks in the chain of command have to seem all outrageously outraged because (as you point out) there's a video out there of the stupid act.  I doubt that they would have made a big issue out of it had there not been a video. 

Of course one could also argue that it is really a serious thing for them to broadcast what they did in terms of increased risk to marines by pissing off the enemy.  (I'm not sure how much I believe that in this case because the enemy seem to need no provocation to act like savages.)

I don't know the details of Patton and slapping his soldier, but it seems to me there are good reasons that the military has (and had, I think) rules of conduct between officers and enlisted that have to do with maintaining effective command, not political correctness. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 13, 2012 08:07 AM (5H6zj)

125 Given the fact they desecrate every one of our Fallen, Fuck 'em.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 13, 2012 08:07 AM (136wp)

126 I don't give a shit about the dead, but I am concerned about the Marines' behavior that they would think nothing of whipping out their dicks and participating in a group urination party in front of somebody's video cam. They have to piss into bottles on inside of crowded vehicles all the time, I doubt they think to much about wiping it out in public all that much. Jut saying

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 08:07 AM (i6RpT)

127 Believe it or not, he's come and gone already. ooohh gawd... I hate where my mind went with that-it's this blog.

Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 08:07 AM (r2PLg)

128 I'm telling you.  My defense would be: "Hey I was trying to cleanse the wounds.  I didn't know they were dead."

Posted by: Jimbo at January 13, 2012 08:08 AM (O3R/2)

129 They should have pulled their heads off, and shit down the hole.

Posted by: James 4:14 at January 13, 2012 08:08 AM (Xu1TY)

Posted by: MEGADETH at January 13, 2012 08:09 AM (vt5AI)

131 >>>If you can't see the difference between bad jokes and peeing on a corpse, maybe you need to review your own morals, ace. I see the difference. Do you see the difference between a corpse who never did you wrong and a terrorist motherfucker who not ten minutes before was trying to kill you and your friends? Virtue untested is no virtue at all. I tend to discount statements that begin, "Well if *I* were in this situation--" yeah you're not. You can only tell me what you'd hope you'd do or not do. The point of respecting a corpse is to show honor to the dead person, and his family. Okay -- what if you actually have absolutely no respect for that dead person and probably not his terrorist-breeding family, either? There's another line in law: The rule exists for a reason. Where the reason ends, so does the rule. Now in this case the rule continued extending -- but as a matter of ethics (the Code), not as a matter of respecting a terrorist scumbag out of innate reverence.

Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 08:09 AM (nj1bB)

132

When I was in the service, I knew a guy who blew his own head off.  The next day we were on guard duty in the area, and since there was snow on the ground, it was possible to draw arrows and write words in huge letters in the snow, pointing to where the clean-up crew missed brain matter.

Thankfully, another buddy of mine had more sense than some of us, and he and we got rid of our "artwork" in the snow.

You do what you have to sometimes to keep from letting it get to you.  Not an excuse, but maybe a reason. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2012 08:10 AM (TOk1P)

133 Anyone who doesn't like what they did should go take their places.

Posted by: alans at January 13, 2012 08:10 AM (hrTcJ)

134 The only error in judgment I perceive is deciding to videotape. A big error to be sure, but the only one.

Posted by: Dave at January 13, 2012 08:10 AM (Xm1aB)

135 Absolutely inexcusable. Conduct unbecoming, prejudicial to good order and discipline, for starters. The question I have is where in the hell is their command NCO's and Officers. Where the hell is the person who is supposed to say to them, "If you people don't have something better to do I will find something better for you to do." Lt

Posted by: Lt. York at January 13, 2012 08:10 AM (n8fhI)

136 They should have poured diesel on them and ignited it with a WP grenade.

Then pissed on the ashes to make sure they were out. (Except WP doesn't go out when you piss on it)

Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2012 08:10 AM (YdQQY)

137 I don't give a shit about the dead, but I am concerned about the Marines' behavior that they would think nothing of whipping out their dicks and participating in a group urination party in front of somebody's video cam.

Guys are always ready to whip it out.... I'll bet 50% of the people reading this post have their hands on their zippers...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 13, 2012 08:11 AM (136wp)

138 I like the New York Post editorial Insty just quoted on this: "Maybe somebody should ask Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl about it."

Posted by: Ian S. at January 13, 2012 08:11 AM (tqwMN)

139 "The first dead body a medical student sees might be cause to contemplate the mortality of man; the tenth dead body and jokes start occurring to him, like spinning around in surprise and accusing the corpse of grabbing his ass." Nah. By med school you already have had at least a 5 hour anatomy class. And believe me the pranks, are a lot grosser and involve more than verbal jokes. This is why I would never leave my body to "science." Donate parts for transplants but if you think your body is going to be treated reverentially if left for dissection, you're wrong.

Posted by: mike at January 13, 2012 08:11 AM (WNvlG)

140 Where was the Liberal outrage when American bodies were dragged through the streets?

This is just more political posturing from the Dems. Ask them the above question and tell them to shut the F*ck up.

Posted by: An Observation at January 13, 2012 08:11 AM (ylhEn)

141

They should get disciplined for not hydrating enough. Did you see how yellow their urine was?

 

Hydrate! Hydrate! Hydrate!

Posted by: Ben at January 13, 2012 08:12 AM (wuv1c)

142 By some of the comments here you wonder why we lose wars. I'm not surprised, just disgusted by people that have never been in battle condemming these soldiers for pissing on enemy shitbags.

Posted by: Cast Iron at January 13, 2012 08:12 AM (0ftSV)

143 They have to piss into bottles on inside of crowded vehicles all the time, I doubt they think to much about wiping it out in public all that much. Jut saying True, closest I've come myself to whizzing outside of a urinal was a hole in the middle of a desert in Utah.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at January 13, 2012 08:12 AM (v6GqR)

144 >>>When was the last time you saw a cop whizzing on a dead body though? You don't seem to get my point. No, cops don't whiz on dead bodies. But those dead guys weren't trying to kill them. Still, they make jokes about the dead, sometimes the innocent dead. They're not giving the bodies the "respect" which is urged. Is that because they're immoral scum? Or is it more likely that people in professions that deal with dead bodies frequently quickly lose the taboos about death? Most people have never seen a corpse who wasn't a family member, and those (thankfully) rarely. If you're dealing with them every week, the taboos just aren't there. Thus the med student who puts a dead body's hand on his junk and says "This corpse is trying to grab my shit!!!"

Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 08:12 AM (nj1bB)

145


They have to piss into bottles on inside of crowded vehicles all the time

 

Piss-Bottle Man

Posted by: MIKE WATT at January 13, 2012 08:13 AM (vt5AI)

146 In one of those huge (and graphic) Time Life World War II books my Grandfather owned there was a pic of a dead Japanese soldier's disembodied head with a cigarette in his lips. I always wondered if the photographer had stuck it there. That is all.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 13, 2012 08:13 AM (uIz80)

147 The question I have is where in the hell is their command NCO's and Officers. ***** Hand-holding them-? Is that what you want? Jeez you'd have a top heavy command structure there..

Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 08:13 AM (r2PLg)

148 This is just more political posturing from the Dems. Ask them the above question and tell them to shut the F*ck up. Posted by: An Observation at January 13, 2012 12:11 PM (ylhEn) Actually your getting very little political posturing from the Dems ( outside of State and Defense) and the MSM since the messiah is in the White House. Bunch of hyprocrites

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 08:13 AM (i6RpT)

149 As far as pissing on the Taliban dead or alive........Tim Tebow does NOT endorse!!!!! Tebow is, however, consulting with God over whether it would be ok if it was Martin Bashir being pissed on. Stay tuned.

Posted by: Uncle Wang's House Of Meat Puppets at January 13, 2012 08:13 AM (jiwQf)

150 They were probably trying to relieve the pain of jellyfish stings. There are some fierce jellyfish in Afghanistan, you know.

Posted by: Marine Biologist at January 13, 2012 08:14 AM (ggRof)

151 Remember when the Hero of Chappaquiddick said that Abu Graib was still the same horror chamber under the new management of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld?

Anyone hear Lurch running up to the cameras to tell us that the corpses might as well have been pissed on by Obama/Biden/Panetta themselves?

Posted by: kbdabear at January 13, 2012 08:14 AM (Y+DPZ)

152 Big mistake was not having dogs pee on the bodies...

Posted by: phreshone at January 13, 2012 08:14 AM (T3vCe)

153

>>>Didn't Obama have a presser scheduled at 11:20 to blather on about streamlining the government? I don't have the liberty of watching that stuff at work. Ace, were you covering it?

Didn't see the presser (thank God) but did see a headline on MSN   online news: Obama demands Reagan-era Executive powers.....(can't brink the link up for some reason).

He gonna try to morph into a fiscal conservative....

Posted by: Sgt. Hartman at January 13, 2012 08:14 AM (YmPwQ)

154

Taliban Terrorists?

Piss on 'em.

Never heard of them.

 

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at January 13, 2012 08:14 AM (Usk3+)

155 >>> By med school you already have had at least a 5 hour anatomy class. And believe me the pranks, are a lot grosser and involve more than verbal jokes. I kind of know that (I've heard that) but I don't want to say so because I'll have a bunch of doctors saying, 'How DARE you..." Hey, I've *heard* it happens.

Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 08:14 AM (nj1bB)

156 Now, the Taliban will be really mad. And just when they were all pacified and everything...

Posted by: OCBill at January 13, 2012 08:14 AM (YJvVE)

157 5 wsj journalist daniel pearl was unavailable for comment

Posted by: newrouter at January 13, 2012 11:37 AM (xD4bD)

For our liberals who are outraged......neither was Mary Jo Kopechne.

Posted by: Big Al at January 13, 2012 08:14 AM (UWp/G)

158 When was the last time you saw a cop whizzing on a dead body though? ***** This you see as a direct correlation?

Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 08:14 AM (r2PLg)

159 When was the last time you saw a cop whizzing on a dead body though?

Sometimes they shoot unarmed people a lot - 41 shots, etc.  - but at least they don't piss on the corpse (or corps) afterward. Very important.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 13, 2012 08:14 AM (eEfYn)

160 As I said earlier, this is no different than any of the previous wars. It has been going on since forever.

Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2012 08:14 AM (YdQQY)

161 How about we make this deal with the Taliban.

When your guys start wearing uniforms and stop killing civilians on purpose we'll stop pissing on you when you're dead.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2012 08:14 AM (tf9Ne)

162 So some folks are upset that our military guys acted uncivily after they killed some bad guys? Really? That's it? Pissing on the corpse was worse than killing them then?

Posted by: steve walsh at January 13, 2012 08:15 AM (nU8lz)

163 If Abu Grab was George Bush's fault, then pissing on dead Talibans is Woebama's freakin' fault.

Where are you, media?  Where are you, Cindy Sheehan?  Where are you, commie-socialist anti-war protestors?

Where are the demands for the resignation of Sec Def Leon Panetta Rumsfeld?


Posted by: Sphynx at January 13, 2012 08:15 AM (fEmj2)

164 My take on this was the Marines need to start treating these guys for PTSD now.  It's obvious that they snapped.  People snap in different ways.  I'm horrified that the left is vilifying them and the Marines want to toss them from the corpse.  This is a time for understanding and treatment.   Even the taliban realized this when they said it wouldn't stop the peace talks.  Why is the left so damned dense?

Posted by: hey at January 13, 2012 08:15 AM (oZfic)

165 Patton pissed into the Rhine river on his way into Germany. But that's not the same thing.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 13, 2012 08:15 AM (YmPwQ)

166 true story - During a sales training course we were required to attend the trainer asked a question: What's the worst t hing that can happen? Someone responded: Well, they can't kill us. Trainer said: Not true. Under certain circumstances they can kill you - but by law, they cannot mutilate your corpses. - Great training session

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 13, 2012 08:15 AM (h6mPj)

167 This is obviously BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH'S FAULT !!!!!

Posted by: Wall_E at January 13, 2012 08:15 AM (48wze)

168 Here's a piece re: this topic; http://tinyurl.com/7hbmcp6 which links here to vote your response: http://tinyurl.com/7h5wz7e Votes so far: It's an unacceptable desecration - 11% It's an embarrassment - 7% It's not surprising -- things like this happen in war - 82% Total Votes: 24,885 And, this is at the Post...

Posted by: go vote! at January 13, 2012 08:16 AM (/MuFf)

169 Why do I have a feeling that if an Occupooper pissed on a dead cop, Froma Harrop would call it acceptable civil discourse

Posted by: kbdabear at January 13, 2012 08:16 AM (Y+DPZ)

170 Who gives a fuck. They're dead.

Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 08:16 AM (/2LYb)

171 Hey it was Jane Fonda day on TCM. Perhaps they should have shot her and pissed on her corpse.

Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2012 08:16 AM (YdQQY)

172

I don't see what the problem is here.

 

Posted by: R. Kelly at January 13, 2012 08:16 AM (8ieXv)

173 They're not giving the bodies the "respect" which is urged. Is that because they're immoral scum? Or is it more likely that people in professions that deal with dead bodies frequently quickly lose the taboos about death? Agree, normally I wouldn't think twice, but for some reason the urination was more off putting to me than if they had say, spat on the bodies, kicked it, rolled it down a hill or cut the head off and used it as a beach ball. All of which I would have been fine with.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at January 13, 2012 08:16 AM (v6GqR)

174 When was the last time you saw a cop whizzing on a dead body though? If MS13 starts using snipers, suicide vests, and IEDs on a regular basis -- then it will happen. Have you ever talked to a WWII vet from the Pacific theater?

Posted by: Jean at January 13, 2012 08:16 AM (WkuV6)

175 No, cops don't whiz on dead bodies. But those dead guys weren't trying to kill them.
----
O/T but kind of related.  Last week we had a terrible thing happen in Ogden, UT where a warrant was being served on a suspected drug dealer.  It was supposed to be routine, but the guy opened fire on the officers.  Killed one and seriously injured 5 or 6 others. 

Amazingly, the perp is not dead and not even all that seriously injured.  That's some tremendous self-control on the part of the officers. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 13, 2012 08:17 AM (5H6zj)

176
Not just prosecution, the possibility of WAR CRIMES.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 13, 2012 08:17 AM (G/zuv)

177 15 Maybe they was just tryin' to recreate them 'piss on you bumper sticker' thangys?

Posted by: Slack-Jawed Yokel at January 13, 2012 11:39 AM (YNtav)

Perhaps, but I think they were just helping with the traditional washing of the body as a preparation for a proper terrorist burial.

Posted by: Big Al at January 13, 2012 08:17 AM (UWp/G)

178 Van Der Sloot gets 28 year in peruvian prison.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 08:17 AM (i6RpT)

179 They should face prosecution for not shitting on them.

Posted by: sickinmass at January 13, 2012 08:17 AM (orDig)

180 I wonder what Mitt Romney thinks. And then I wonder what he'll think tomorrow.

Posted by: OCBill at January 13, 2012 08:17 AM (YJvVE)

181
And this is why we're slowly being boiled and don't even know it.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 13, 2012 08:18 AM (G/zuv)

182 "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats pissing on corpses."

Posted by: Meremortal at January 13, 2012 08:18 AM (Usk3+)

183 Not just prosecution, the possibility of WAR CRIMES. Posted by: soothsayer at January 13, 2012 12:17 PM (G/zuv) No, no chance of that

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 08:18 AM (i6RpT)

184 I don't give a damn about dead terrorist and in general prefer a more aggressive war which would mean more collateral, innocent deaths. That said, one of the reasons for strict enforcement of rules like this is not to show honor to the dead, but to convince the still living Afghans that we have respect for them so they are more cooperative with us. To be honest, I don't think that's completely necessary for Afghans since they live by the code that allows you to do anything to your enemies. So I think the average Afghan totally understands what the Marines did and would do something much worse to somebody who tried to kill them. But I think, practically, rules like this are to prevent giving the enemy propaganda material they can use to turn the civilian population against you. It's gussied up in high-sounding moralisms.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 13, 2012 08:18 AM (QcFbt)

185 Yea....What about that loser occupier taking a shit on the police car? I guess that was OK? I can't wait till that Commie-Socialist Bastard Obama and his Fat-Assed Chihuahua Spouse Moooooooooooooochele are gone....

Posted by: Wall_E at January 13, 2012 08:18 AM (48wze)

186 168 How about we make this deal with the Taliban.

When your guys start wearing uniforms and stop killing civilians on purpose we'll stop pissing on you when you're dead.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2012 12:14 PM (tf9Ne)

How about this deal for the Taliban. Let us shoot you in the head and we'll make sure you get a decent burial..

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 13, 2012 08:19 AM (136wp)

187 Hillary just wishes she could aim her pee.....jealousy.

Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 08:19 AM (/2LYb)

188 Btw I'm only suggesting slaps on the wrists for these guys cause they probably will be chaptered out. Probably chapter 10, which they will probably be pressured to accept to make this go away.

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 13, 2012 08:19 AM (Z9ymd)

189 171 If Abu Grab was George Bush's fault, then pissing on dead Talibans is Woebama's freakin' fault.

Where are you, media?  Where are you, Cindy Sheehan?  Where are you, commie-socialist anti-war protestors?

Where are the demands for the resignation of Sec Def Leon Panetta Rumsfeld?


Posted by: Sphynx at January 13, 2012 12:15 PM (fEmj2)

THIS!!!

Posted by: dananjcon at January 13, 2012 08:19 AM (8ieXv)

190 @193 Actually, it's not as hard as you think.

Posted by: John Kerry at January 13, 2012 08:19 AM (Xm1aB)

191 OT: From the Daily Caller.....

Newt Gingrich is calling on the pro-Newt superPAC to correct any inaccuracies in King of Bain ad. Here’s his statement: “I am calling for the Winning Our Future Super-PAC supporting me to either edit its “King of Bain” advertisement to remove its inaccuracies, or to pull it off the air entirely.

“Furthermore, I am once again calling on Governor Romney to issue a similar call for the Super-PAC supporting him to edit or remove its ads which have been shown to contain gross inaccuracies, something the Governor has thus far refused to do”

Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 08:20 AM (X6akg)

192 New and improved Taliban corpses: 10% less fat and no piss.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 13, 2012 08:20 AM (eEfYn)

193 you show respect and honor to the fallen one. They did.

Posted by: t-bird at January 13, 2012 08:20 AM (FcR7P)

194

142 -

No offense, LT, but if this is a combat unit, the officers and higher ranking NCOs are back in the tents (or vehicles or whatever) with the other REMFs.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2012 08:20 AM (TOk1P)

195 I say this goes all the way to the top. Obama's policies of assassination and secret drone strikes are against international law. Time to perp walk Obama and pals and hold them accountable for the atrocities commited in the name of Obama!

Posted by: Pitt at January 13, 2012 08:20 AM (f7ylG)

196 EBL : 01/13/12 12:10 1 vote Vote up! Perhaps a viewing of Speilberg's "The Pacific" and Clint Eastwood's recent movies on Iwo Jima might be in order. Just to get just a tiny taste of what battle field conditions are. I saw this nonsense yesterday at Andrews Sullivan's site: "Debra Cassens Weiss compiles evidence suggesting that the episode qualifies as a war crime." Andrew Sullivan, What War Does To Soliders, 12 Jan 2012 06:40 PM Really? A few Marines (who probably lost buddies to the Taliban) doing what they did constitutes a war crime? Are people mad? To even suggest such a thing is a war crime is insane. I am not condoning it. It was a stupid thing to do. It could potentially disrupt the mission (and filming it?). But people need to react appropriately to something like this. This is, at worse, a situation that warrants some discipline action at a unit level (such as an NCO telling them "don't do this again or you will be charged."). Link

Posted by: EBL at January 13, 2012 08:20 AM (IgakF)

197 These people use children as suicide bombs and I'm suppose to believe they are offended by pissing on corpses?

Posted by: mike at January 13, 2012 08:20 AM (WNvlG)

198 If what you did can be completely undone and fixed by application of a sponge or shammy of some sort, it's not a war crime.

Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 08:20 AM (nj1bB)

199 I agree that the dumbest aspect is the videotaping.  I suppose that's "FaceBook Culture" - everything I do must be preserved and celebrated for all time.  Common sense?  Never heard of it.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 13, 2012 08:20 AM (i0App)

200 Drop the bomb...Kill all them bastards....

Posted by: Col Kurtz, Col USA (Ret), Vietnam Vet at January 13, 2012 08:21 AM (48wze)

201 202 - yeah that's all due respect

Posted by: RioBravo at January 13, 2012 08:21 AM (eEfYn)

202 In past wars, including the "good wars", soldiers commonly stripped enemy corpses for souvenirs

Here's an actual gauge to measure how much the pissing on the enemy corpses actually bothers me

Posted by: kbdabear at January 13, 2012 08:21 AM (Y+DPZ)

203 I'm having a hard time getting worked up over this.  Stuff like this has been happening in war as long as there has been war.  Yes, they exercised poor judgment in video taping it. Yes, Americans think we should be better than this. But, I'll be damned if I'm going to judge these guys over it from the comfort of my nice warm office where I work everyday with nary a person trying to shoot me or blow me up with a fucking IED. I can't even imagine what that's like and neither can the media pansies who are manufacturing outrage about this.

So yeah, it was wrong.  It was even stupid. Is it enough that otherwise good Marines should be discharged or court martialed over it? I don't think so. 90 days of peeling potatoes and cleaning latrines? Maybe.

Posted by: DanInMN at January 13, 2012 08:21 AM (XqeyF)

204 No hand holding, I want their fucking squad leader to do his job...

Posted by: Lt. York at January 13, 2012 08:21 AM (n8fhI)

205

Have you ever talked to a WWII vet from the Pacific theater?

 

My grandfather was driving a tank in the Pacific, mostly the Phillipines. 

He was very candid about the things that went on when he was there.  He had albums filled with photos from his time spent in the pacific and would tell me stories for hours and hours. 

 I'll bet some of them were even true.

Posted by: garrett at January 13, 2012 08:21 AM (vt5AI)

206 That above is my comment today at the Corner. I will link this article over there too.

Posted by: EBL at January 13, 2012 08:21 AM (IgakF)

207 I'm trying to step into the shoes of one of those Marines.  I wonder if the delicate and reverential manner in which Bin Laden's corpse was handled created a little blowback.  I could easily see them thinking: "No white robe and ceremony for you, f*cker!"

Posted by: angler at January 13, 2012 08:22 AM (SwjAj)

208
It's not too late to blame it on Bush.

Posted by: Mainstream Media at January 13, 2012 08:22 AM (7+pP9)

209 @191
That's basically my take on this. 

It was irresponsible of the marines to put their command in this position by video taping what they did.  I don't care about the corpse, but it is entirely predictable that there would be blow back from what they did if it became public. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 13, 2012 08:22 AM (5H6zj)

210 look at me! look at me! why won't anyone click my links and listen to my stories of my great New York City friends?

Posted by: oZfic at January 13, 2012 08:22 AM (yAor6)

211 well ok, but did they than proceed to chop their heads  off or drag them through the streets neked, and hand out candies in joyful exuberance?
ok what they did was less than honorable for OUR guys and it does reflect on the troops. still i'm having a hard time being enraged.

Posted by: willow at January 13, 2012 08:22 AM (h+qn8)

212 So is Obama upset US Marines were unprofessional or his he upset that US Marines pissed on a fellow Muslim???

Posted by: Wall_E at January 13, 2012 08:22 AM (48wze)

213 Trust me, this story will soon be "gone." Down the shithole. Because Obama is president.

Posted by: John Kerry at January 13, 2012 08:22 AM (Xm1aB)

214 well - we could take this in another direction: An Artist Always Signs His Work _

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 13, 2012 08:22 AM (h6mPj)

215 I was under the impression that they had an inbed journalist who was horrified and filmed the incident.  Don't remember where I heard that though.  I'll keep trying to remember.

Posted by: hey at January 13, 2012 08:22 AM (oZfic)

216 Didn't you learn in school that you don't lower your behavior just because the other guy can't be held to your standard?

I learned that pretending to ignore bullies only made them escalate.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 13, 2012 08:23 AM (ZKzrr)

217 My dad was in the Pacific theater. Till he died you couldn't convince him that asians were truely human because of what they did during the war to prisioners, etc.

Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 08:23 AM (/2LYb)

218 Abu Ghraib = Proof Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld are evil. Evil warmonger culture spreads from the top down. Marines Pissing on Corpse = Just some rogue marines. Maybe proof the military dehumanizes men. Nothing to do with Obama at all. Move along.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 13, 2012 08:23 AM (QcFbt)

219
But I think, practically, rules like this are to prevent giving the enemy propaganda material they can use to turn the civilian population against you.

It's gussied up in high-sounding moralisms.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 13, 2012 12:18 PM (QcFbt)

yeah, what He said.

Posted by: willow at January 13, 2012 08:23 AM (h+qn8)

220 Hey it was Jane Fonda day on TCM. Perhaps they should have shot her and pissed on her corpse. Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2012 12:16 PM (YdQQY) Too good for her, gang rape would be about right, although she would probably enjoy it. Posted by: Bubba at January 13, 2012 12:21 PM (hXJOG) We had our Holiday party last weekend up at the Sub Vets hangout in Groton Ct. and all the urinals have Jayne Fonda Urinal stickers on them. I got a few real good pics

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 08:23 AM (i6RpT)

221 When ya gotta go, ya gotta go
That was especially true of the dead Talis.

As I said on a thread yesterday, regardless of wars and rumors there of, it would be easily understandable if this was a defiant eff off to the current foolish ROEs.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 13, 2012 08:23 AM (ZJCDy)

222
Hey, remember The Greatest Generation? Buncha swell guys 'n gals who brought the nation through World War II only to emerge stronger than ever?

Well, here's a true story about one WWII I know:

An old guy, his name is Pirolli, owned a building supply company. He has lots of memorabilia from Germany during the war. After he killed the krauts, he'd rob them. Old Man Pirolli has a photo of his smiling young self posing next to a dead kraut.

Yes, you bet your ass he took their wallets, jewelry, and teeth (if they were filled with gold).

War. It's, um, fucking war, you ninnies.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 13, 2012 08:23 AM (G/zuv)

223 I'll keep trying to remember.

Posted by: hey at January 13, 2012 12:22 PM (oZfic)

Don't hurt yourself.

Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 08:24 AM (X6akg)

224 Too good for her, gang rape would be about right, although she would probably enjoy it.

Not with my junk.

Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2012 08:24 AM (YdQQY)

225 I was under the impression that they had an inbed journalist who was horrified and filmed the incident. Don't remember where I heard that though. I'll keep trying to remember. Posted by: hey at January 13, 2012 12:22 PM (oZfic) No it was a 5th Marine

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 08:24 AM (i6RpT)

226 Is Mooooooooochele still proud of her country after this incident occured will her spouse was POTUS ????

Posted by: Wall_E at January 13, 2012 08:25 AM (48wze)

Posted by: EBL at January 13, 2012 08:25 AM (IgakF)

228 The only thing worse than the stupidity of taping this, is the fake moral outrage from bleeding heart liberals and "moderate Muslims". Piss on them, instead.

Posted by: Roy at January 13, 2012 08:25 AM (VndSC)

229 Yep, my pop is a Vietnam vet. Want to make him red in the face? Just mention one of two names: Jane Fonda or LBJ.

Posted by: Dave at January 13, 2012 08:26 AM (Xm1aB)

230 Only two more years of this stuff in Afghanistan. Where can we worry about how we treat corpses next?  Mexico? Pakistan? Texas?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 13, 2012 08:26 AM (eEfYn)

231
When you teach men to kill, what do you think is gonna happen?

When you have men who know that today they might draw their last breath, what do you think they'll do to blow off a little steam?

Play pinochle???


Posted by: soothsayer at January 13, 2012 08:26 AM (G/zuv)

232

they were stupid to do it and dumber than that to video tape it....that said....i'm not upset by it..and how do we know the corpses were not stung by jelly fish?

Posted by: phoenixgirl....all in for perry at January 13, 2012 08:26 AM (mfbqu)

233

Given how I know the Muztards treat the bodies of kaffirs, my give-a-fuck meter ain't budging concerning the urination on their dead bodies.

I am pissed that they were stupid enough to video themselves doing this.

Posted by: BUTCH at January 13, 2012 08:26 AM (0APJ3)

234
My dad was in the Pacific theater. Till he died you couldn't convince him that asians were truely human because of what they did during the war to prisioners, etc.

Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 12:23 PM (/2LYb)

So was my father. He was also in Korea and Vietnam. He's the same way. He's always very happy whenever there's a major earthquake in  Japan.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 13, 2012 08:26 AM (7+pP9)

235 Well this is a propaganda defeat for us. Once the Afghans finish up with their dancing boys and log-on to the Internet, there is going to be hell to pay.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 13, 2012 08:27 AM (eEfYn)

236 175 http://tinyurl.com/7h5wz7e Votes so far: It's an unacceptable desecration - 11% It's an embarrassment - 7% It's not surprising -- things like this happen in war - 82% Total Votes: 24,885 ------------------------------ up to 25,132+ Same percentages. Not the narrative we are hearing from the Obama White House and the libs. Heads exploding...

Posted by: go vote! at January 13, 2012 08:27 AM (/MuFf)

237

These guys' Marine forefathers, members of Tom Brokaw's Greatest Generation Evar, pried the gold teeth out of mortally wounded / dead Japs' mouths with their Ka-Bars on a regular basis.  War sucks.  It's ugly, but the uglier the better.  It's how shit gets done.  Just don't post it on YouTube, dipshit.

What we've forgotten is that the enemy has to be dehumanized to some extent if we expect our men to kill them in the amounts necessary to win. It has ever been thus.  But winning really doesn't seem to be much of a priority anymore, does it?

Posted by: Jaws at January 13, 2012 08:28 AM (4I3Uo)

238

dagny and ed

 

they ate our boys........

Posted by: phoenixgirl....all in for perry at January 13, 2012 08:28 AM (mfbqu)

239 >Have you ever talked to a WWII vet from the Pacific theater?

No shit. My pops was a Seabee in the Pacific and the stories he told me jived 100% with Eugene Sledge's account in "With the Old Breed."

Posted by: DanInMN at January 13, 2012 08:28 AM (XqeyF)

240 This is o/t but looking at the picture of sarkosy of drudge makes you wonder what any woman sees in him.  I mean the ears are so big you can grab onto them, maybe that it, the ears.

Posted by: hey at January 13, 2012 08:28 AM (oZfic)

241 The only reason that any of the Muzzies or the Liberals  are outraged over this is because we on the conservative side - who do have a sense of morality - are outraged and they are playing up to it.

Remember when The Cleric Al Sadr in Iran killed a bunch of women and children in the hope of blaming it on us? Neither the Muslims or the Liberals cared about that at all. Do you really think they care about some Marines peeing on dead Taliban? Please - it is just "Never let a crisis go to waste".

During the Booosh years the buck stopped at the White House for Abu Grahib - not so much now that Teh Won lives there. We need to point that double standard crap out to the MFM.



Posted by: An Observation at January 13, 2012 08:29 AM (ylhEn)

242 Sarkozy is hot.. So is Netanyahu.

Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 08:30 AM (r2PLg)

243 We need to point that double standard crap out to the MFM.

I think they are already aware of it.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 13, 2012 08:31 AM (eEfYn)

244

Same media that wouldn't show cartoons of Muhammad for fear of enraging the Muslim world runs the urine pictures/video non-stop.

Nailed it!


Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 08:31 AM (X6akg)

245 They're monsters.

Posted by: Chuckit at January 13, 2012 08:32 AM (vaHru)

246 Yeah, and videotaping is proof that you are too dumb to serve.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 13, 2012 11:38 AM (dZ756)


This.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 13, 2012 08:34 AM (T2/zQ)

247

Regarding the "filming," like everyone else their age, they all carry cell phones, and tend to take pics/vids of everything they do.

And for anyone "concerned" about their mental health, just know that if they get kicked out of the service with something less than an honorable discharge, chances are they won't qualify for VA benefits.  They'll be "walking time bombs" in civilian clothes, with nowhere to go for help from people who understand.

(I'm just trying to anticipate one of the rationalizations that will be used)

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2012 08:34 AM (TOk1P)

248 They'll be "walking time bombs" in civilian clothes, with nowhere to go for help from people who understand.

On it.

Posted by: Janet N. at January 13, 2012 08:35 AM (eEfYn)

249 255 They're monsters.

Posted by: Chuckit at January 13, 2012 12:32 PM (vaHru)

speaking of which, one of my friends said sarkosy looks like this guy.

She's going to photo shop his face onto this image, should be funny.

Posted by: hey at January 13, 2012 08:36 AM (oZfic)

250 And for anyone "concerned" about their mental health, just know that if they get kicked out of the service with something less than an honorable discharge, chances are they won't qualify for VA benefits.
---
If they are relieved of duty for mental health reasons does that really rob them of their VA benefits?  That doesn't make sense to me. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 13, 2012 08:36 AM (5H6zj)

251 Yeah, and videotaping is proof that you are too dumb to serve.

Don't know about that. After all, they are alive and the terrs are dead.

Posted by: Janet N. at January 13, 2012 08:37 AM (eEfYn)

252 guys you wont believe what Glenn Beck said about vaginas today! and that Mark Levin too! I also listened to Dr Savage about vaginas

Posted by: oZfic at January 13, 2012 08:39 AM (yAor6)

253 speaking of which, one of my friends said sarkosy looks like this guy. ***** LOL! damn it.

Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 08:40 AM (r2PLg)

254

my friends said this and that, and I got this other friend who said this and that. here's a link, I promise it's not porn. I really do.

why is no one replying to my comments? guys? guys? guys?!

Posted by: oZfic at January 13, 2012 08:40 AM (yAor6)

255 Dr. Savage was furious about this incident.  He backed the Marines, 100% no matter what and he blamed everything on the left.  I turned a fruious mark levin off to find a more furious Dr. savage.  I just turned off the radio at that point.

Posted by: hey at January 13, 2012 08:40 AM (oZfic)

256

"But what if that fallen one had been trying to kill you not ten minutes before, and in fact you had killed him before he killed you?"

EXCELLENT POINT ACE

in a simlar vein - my dad  (Korean War - purple heart) was once shot at by a chicom sniper as he was taking a leak. the bullet - for lack of a better word  - "whizzed" by his head just missing him. i'm sure if he had subsequently had a chance to take out the chicom, he may have decided to pea on him after the fact. you know - touche`.

Posted by: Keith Richards at January 13, 2012 08:41 AM (dON4Y)

257 im like mrs super conservative warrior, why do so many people hate me?

Posted by: oZfic at January 13, 2012 08:41 AM (yAor6)

258 Tell the libs that these particular Taliban were registered Republicans.

Posted by: Darth Randall at January 13, 2012 08:42 AM (O/onO)

259 265 Dr. Savage was furious about this incident.  He backed the Marines, 100% no matter what and he blamed everything on the left.  I turned a fruious mark levin off to find a more furious Dr. savage.  I just turned off the radio at that point.

Posted by: hey at January 13, 2012 12:40 PM (oZfic)

Ok, now turn your computer off.

Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 08:42 AM (X6akg)

260

I've got a deal.

Stop trying to kill us, and we will not kill you and piss on your corpse.

win-win

Posted by: cuttingtom at January 13, 2012 08:42 AM (JUwNh)

261

260 -

It really does depend on how it gets processed.  Someone up thread said he's in a JAG unit, I don't want to suggest I know how automatic it is, but I would think if they're court martialed and discharged, that's a completely different classification than if they are given a medical discharge for psychological reasons. 

I think you could have a situation where, say a guy slugs an officer.  In one unit they prosecute him and he's screwed for life out of VA and other benefits.  In another unit they send him to a shrink, then the full force of military/VA medical evaluations take place, and we give him a discharge with 100% disability benefits. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2012 08:43 AM (TOk1P)

262

The question I have is where in the hell is their command NCO's and Officers.

-----

Someone's gotta take the picture

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at January 13, 2012 08:44 AM (SO2Q8)

263 262 guys you wont believe what Glenn Beck said about vaginas today! and that Mark Levin too! I also listened to Dr Savage about vaginas

Posted by: oZfic at January 13, 2012 12:39 PM (yAor6)

Attention whore.

Posted by: Googlin' Guy at January 13, 2012 08:44 AM (Usk3+)

264 You're right on about the training and discipline. I have a son in the infantry, and I am sure that training and discipline were key factors to his survival in several instances. I also know that part of his "training" included humilating and unnecessary mistreatment by his lower level "leadership". I have seen the photographs that show this, and was informed that JAG officers showed up to investigate. Nevertheless, perhaps the seeds had been planted by that poor leadership, because it was during his last tour that soldiers from his former platoon were lead (literally) to commit murders for which they are currently in prison or are being prosecuted. I thank God that my son was not part of that, but if he had followed the career "advice" of that leadership, he would have been.

Posted by: Jay Bee at January 13, 2012 08:45 AM (Xwgt3)

265  They're monsters.

Posted by: Chuckit at January 13, 2012 12:32 PM (vaHru)

Good.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 13, 2012 08:46 AM (Usk3+)

266 dont call me an attention whore, you know I know who you people really are in person...

Posted by: oZfic at January 13, 2012 08:47 AM (yAor6)

267 jarheads probably so scared they pissed themselves and dead Taliban got in the way j/k, mad respect for the Corps. SEMPER FI!

Posted by: grognerd at January 13, 2012 08:49 AM (NHDZu)

268 Apparently the taliban and afghans in general consider this a big deal. Personally, I think the message they should take from this is "If you try to kill marines, they'll kill you and piss on your corpse". I think that's a good message to send. I'm sorry that these guys are facing serious consequences for this.

Posted by: mikesixes at January 13, 2012 08:50 AM (yd+Ha)

269 276 dont call me an attention whore, you know I know who you people really are in person...

Posted by: oZfic at January 13, 2012 12:47 PM (yAor6)

Attention whore.

I'm not a person, dolt. I'm a milbot. Come find me and die. Sensors are operative.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 13, 2012 08:50 AM (Usk3+)

270 We had our Holiday party last weekend up at the Sub Vets hangout in Groton Ct. and all the urinals have Jayne Fonda Urinal stickers on them. I got a few real good pics

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 12:23 PM (i6RpT)

Is it still on School St?  I used to live right up the hill from there.

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 13, 2012 08:51 AM (RSqz2)

271 you just see I can find ways to get you guys to stop calling me troll

Posted by: oZfic at January 13, 2012 08:52 AM (yAor6)

272 I want to see giant paper mache  heads of Paneta and Obama in Marches against the War. Left wing outrage.

Posted by: An Observation at January 13, 2012 08:53 AM (ylhEn)

273

Target acquired.

Computing.

Target not worthy of ammo.

Ignore.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 13, 2012 08:55 AM (Usk3+)

274 206 If what you did can be completely undone and fixed by application of a sponge or shammy of some sort, it's not a war crime.

Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 12:20 PM (nj1bB)

I can see the sham-wow commercial now!

Seriosuly people. You've not walked a mile in their boots. The constant strain is unimiagineable. And what seems abhorent typing from your laptop on your couch is a whole other matter thousands of miles from home where someone is tyring to KILL YOU EVERYDAY! The shittiest part of your day is they gave you the wrong order at the drive thru. Imagine having someone trying to kill you every moment. Shit like this has been happening since the beginning of warfare. These guys were weapons grade stupid to film it. Swipe a stripe and send them on their way. If any of them were looking to make a career out of the Corps it's effectively over. But war crime? Not a chance.

 

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 13, 2012 08:56 AM (OCCG6)

275 You guys are arguing with the wrong troll. 

One is a sock of it....one is 'it'.

Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 08:57 AM (X6akg)

276 I am not upset that the Marines peed on these pieces of shit.  I am upset that the American media is making us look like bad guys.  Lets make a small comparison:

Muslims:
1.  behead living captives, combatant or not;
2.  practice female genital mutilation as a generally accepted practice;
3.  stone rape victims for adultry
4.  promote and perform regular honor (oxymoron here) killings for a plethora of reasons

American:
1. Don't kill captives at all (well generally)
2. Give captives food, water, shelter, medical care, a FRIGGIN Koran
3. Build roads, schools, hospitals, and power generation with American DEBT

Tell me.  Who is the barbarian, and who cares about pissing a dead guy.

Posted by: haavamaal at January 13, 2012 08:58 AM (3032/)

277

First, some disclosure: I served in the Army, but I had a desk job.

"The whole point of a rule against corpse desecration is that you show respect and honor to the fallen one."

This is a Western concept, and a rather late one at that. Some other cultures may show respect to corpses, but in their own way; examination of heads in Feudal Japan comes to mind.

But other cultures The Taliban, Al Q., and other Islamic terrorists; what respect do they show corpses? I remember Mogadishu, and an incident involving a bridge in Iraq, Christian girls in Indonesia, ... these actions were meant to send various messages tarious audiences.

"Your training and discipline should kick in to supplement that and keep you from doing this, but your natural moral sense isn't there. Because, seriously, the hell with this terrorist."

This might be true; I no longer remember. But at some point, sending a reciprocal message to the enemy is needed.

I suspect that there was no outrage by the Taliban and accomplices when this news broke, because they understood the message, as did all of the other players in the area. It worked, and only when Leon Panetta took action did the message fail, and the Taliban start whining.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 13, 2012 09:02 AM (fDFi3)

278 Yep, my pop is a Vietnam vet.

Want to make him red in the face?

Just mention one of two names: Jane Fonda or LBJ.

Posted by: Dave at January 13, 2012 12:26 PM (Xm1aB)

As a Vietnam vet myself let me add the name of the psychopath in chief of that war: McNamara.


Posted by: An Observation at January 13, 2012 09:02 AM (ylhEn)

279

Hey, you want war atrocities, how about this: Taliban Gunmen Execute Unarmed Medical Aid Workers http://nyti.ms/A3wU37  "The gunmen marched them into the forest, stood them in a line and shot 10 of them one by one."

I'll kick in $100 to help finance a mission to load a C-17 full of urine and dump it all over Helmand Province.  Anybody with me?

Posted by: gp at January 13, 2012 09:08 AM (B9rV2)

280 This is all George Bush's fault...

Posted by: Mudshark at January 13, 2012 09:10 AM (CRDXw)

281 @ 289

I'm with ya.  In fact this could be a great business opportunity.  Think how many OWS peeps (oops people) who could get paid for peeing in a vat to send to AG.  Need to work up a business plan. 

Posted by: haavamaal at January 13, 2012 09:10 AM (3032/)

282 Those fuckers still have one of our service men who they have held captive for 3 years.

Posted by: mike at January 13, 2012 09:12 AM (WNvlG)

283 Well they could have lit them on fire to dry them out.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 13, 2012 09:14 AM (OCCG6)

284 As to war crimes.

The Taliban are committing war crimes since they are combatants in a war - not wearing uniforms on the battle field. It is legal to summarily execute them when captured because of that.

Did it ever occur to any of you that maybe the Marines thought the Taliban were thirsty - so they tested the water first by drinking it and making sure it was safe before they gave it to the enemy?

Posted by: An Observation at January 13, 2012 09:15 AM (ylhEn)

285 Combat guys get the same attitude. Anyone else remember the 2 F15 pilots who shot down the US helo because it had an IFF  failure, and followed it up on the radio with "Stick a fork in him", etc.? Same thing. As it happens, I met both of them earlier, and they were nice guys... but they were fighter jocks. It's how they act.

Posted by: SDN at January 13, 2012 09:26 AM (W8DZi)

286 Oh, and a note to the Afghans: if you don't want our soldiers pissing on your dead - don't give Al Qaeda a free reign to build their headquarters in your country so they can plot flying planes into our buildings, or did you for get why we're there in the first place?

Posted by: An Observation at January 13, 2012 09:27 AM (ylhEn)

287 Let me get this straight: We're fighting a "culture" of muzzie shitbags who couldn't care less about the Geneva accords and sure as fuck don't play by the Marquis of Queensberry rules. They use children for human shields, use planes as human-filled missiles, commit atrocities in the name of shit published in a 7th century screed, and blow up people for "allah'.  And we're supposed to worry because a group of jarheads pissed on a Taliban corpse.  The troops in question ought to be jack-slapped for videotaping it, but other than that, I couldn't give a shit less. I'd have joined in by pissing on the son of a bitch myself. I'd have to squat because I'm female but what the hell...

Posted by: SFC MAC at January 13, 2012 09:28 AM (imbsB)

288

 

i guess you can't get your 72 virgins if you show up at the gates of paradise smelling like piss.

Posted by: kj at January 13, 2012 09:31 AM (CXpT5)

289
  Really want to make this vet see red? Mention John Kerry and Jane Fonda in the same sentence.

  Only mistake those marines made was taping the act. Jack them up for that.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 13, 2012 09:34 AM (SAMxH)

290 Here's a complete, detailed, annotated list of all the fucks I give:

















Posted by: Brendan at January 13, 2012 09:37 AM (2jQGY)

291

Ah yes, the do-gooders still hard at work, trying to single handedly turn the world's ugliness and horror into a Libtard approved version of Sunday school.

If they'd chopped off the heads, stripped them of flesh, and made beer mugs out of them maybe I'd be a little put off, but as many commenters have already said, the only crime here was filming it.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 13, 2012 09:40 AM (xUM1Q)

292 I say give em all a medal. I am sick of our military being made out to be the bad guys every time something happens. I do not condone pissing on dead bodies, but the individuals who stand on that wall for us and take violent action against aggressors who would just as soon chop our heads off, or wait better yet dismember our bodies and burn them and then hang them from a beam for all to see should be honored not sought out for sacrificial lambs to the corrupt media. Just read "Lone Survivor" and them tell me that we need to treat our enemies with more compassion, hell maybe we should just start using rubber bullets so we really don't do any terminal damage to them...this makes me sick! If you don't wanna get shot, killed and pissed on then don't take up arms against us, seems pretty simple.

Posted by: Coach at January 13, 2012 09:41 AM (7pRpF)

293 Oh sure, let's use this as an excuse to kiss some dirtbag murdering barbarians asses, why don't we Barack, or Hilary, or Leon?! Or maybe you should just double up and kiss every ass in the region! We should use chainsaws on that scum, or lighter fluid. Those assholes videotape cutting peoples heads off and we are supposed to care if our Marines threw a little going-away party for them?! Bah!

Posted by: Errol at January 13, 2012 09:42 AM (vewos)

294

oh, I forgot...

Marines pissing on dead Talliban?

Up Tinkles!

Posted by: garrett at January 13, 2012 09:42 AM (S4+t1)

295

 In the Marine Corps, if you're stupid enough to get caught, you don't deserve the rank you think you've earned. Looks like it still works that way...and that's a good thing.

(SGT USMC 1976-1983)

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at January 13, 2012 09:52 AM (E7Z1r)

296 We fashioned necklaces made of ears from the fried corpses of Imperial Japanese Army soldiers. I survived the war and worked at the Ford Motor Company for 35 years.

John Wayne made movies about or heroic deeds.

I think of the horrible things we did on those far-off South Pacific Islands every day of my life.


Justice, served cold. Enjoy.






Posted by: the greatest generation, you may know him as know, grandpa at January 13, 2012 10:11 AM (h6XiD)

297 When the Navy rescued that Iranian fishing boat from pirates, were any of you surprised? Of course you weren't - we expect that level of performance and moral decency from our soldiers and sailors.

In fact, we expect nothing less.

Now, do you expect our soldiers to urinate on dead enemy soldiers?

Posted by: JEA at January 13, 2012 10:15 AM (DPvCq)

298

Our commander in thief pees on our corpsemen all the time and no-one gets upset.

just for the record if he was on fire I wouldn't pee on our commander in thief

Posted by: concealed kerry or submit at January 13, 2012 10:22 AM (vXqv3)

299 Corpse desecration is a crime.
This was corpse enhancement.

Posted by: real joe at January 13, 2012 10:28 AM (IgXeh)

300 I'm thinking Misdemeanor Stupid not Felony, or Career Terminal.  But I'm an SW dev not a lawyer.  What I don't get is the follow on rings of idiots that echo it viral.  How come no one said Hey, this is stupid, there will be trouble, let's tell the uploaders to take it down as it rippled out from the cameraman over the web.

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2012 10:32 AM (t/mAc)

301 also,

HydroTherapy... You're doing it wrong.

&

Cpl. Derp:        LT what about this bunch o hadjis over here.
Lt. InAHurry:   Piss on em.

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2012 10:34 AM (t/mAc)

302 My big brother had a friend whose dad was a WW II vet.  That guys dad used to tell a story about how his platoon had lost a couple guys to a sniper while in France.  The rest of the platoon eventually caught the sniper.  Turned out to be a German kid about 16 years old.  They skinned him and then pissed on him before they put one in his head.  The old guy telling the story wasn't bragging, just telling the story.  He didn't seem proud of what they had done, it was just something that happened.  That is what happens when you get young, armed soldiers that have just witnessed some of their friends die.  What did Ernie Pyle say, something about the scariest thing in the world being an 18 yer old Kansas farm boy with a rifle.

Posted by: hughie at January 13, 2012 10:40 AM (+56Bh)

303 I think Rep. (Col.) West's solution is a good one.  From the sidebar:
The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.

Posted by: Y-not at January 13, 2012 10:40 AM (5H6zj)

304 The Strait of Hormuz might as well be on another planet when compared to the backwaters of Afghanistan.

No more foreign adventures. We need to end this farce of a war, today.

I wont be party to scapegoating, trial by media and kangaroo court-martial justice.

Hawk to dove in less than a week.


Posted by: the unforgiven at January 13, 2012 10:44 AM (h6XiD)

305 ugh.

The stakes are so high for these guys.  They are asked to kill or be killed.  The emotions that creates are powerful.  They know friends who are dead.  They know the friend's daughters and think of their own sons.

And still show up to kill or be killed because we ordered them, as a country to do it.

And so when they make a mistake, sometimes it's a very ugly mistake.  How do you communicate your disgust with a terrorist who wanted to kill your friends?  If you're in control of your emotions and military discipline, you can't do it and you just deal with that.

These guys should be punished, but not in the dog and pony way that is BS foreign policy.  Their lives shouldn't be ruined just so Obama and Hillary can prove a point.  They should be permitted to continue doing their jobs.  Take rank, take pay, put them on extra duty, and allow them to continue being Marines.  Don't put these guys in prison or kick them out of their jobs for what amounts to a lapse of discipline.

THIS IS WHEN A LEADER CAN PROVE SOMETHING ABOUT HIMSELF.  Standing up for the armed forces right now would earn President Obama respect.  He'd be paying a price for those who are always paying the price.

And he doesn't have it in him to do that, I imagine.  This is where the difference between the weaker, more ruthless, less principled leaders comes into play.

Posted by: Dustin at January 13, 2012 10:59 AM (rQ/Ue)

306 I disagree with Ace a little in that I think a decent person has an affirmative duty to piss on these dead jihadis.  We are fighting a 7th century death cult with strong superstitions about the cleanliness of burial rituals.  If thinking they may get the eternal golden shower makes them hesitate or choose a different course of action then it would be a job well done. 

In fact I think we should hire prostitutes to fill bottles with urine that we can ship overseas to make sure that each of these little benighted little cretins get their own special ration.  If they are going to ascribe to these ridiculous and barbaric beliefs we should at least use it against them. 

The bacon grease bullets should be standard issue as well.  It should smell like a country breakfast after a firefight.

Posted by: Voluble at January 13, 2012 11:14 AM (JKX4x)

307
Being photographed while peeing on them was really, really dumb - though they may not have known that they were on candid camera.

But the notion that it's OK to shoot these guys to death, but somehow beyond the pale to piss on their corpses, strikes me as ... let's say, a little odd.


Posted by: Brown Line at January 13, 2012 11:14 AM (VrNoa)

308 Neo-Con Hannity: post-mortem piss baths no big deal as long as its Arabs being "washed".

Posted by: Uncle Wang at January 13, 2012 11:17 AM (jiwQf)

309 Note to Marines:

It's collect saltpetre from old latrines after use to make gunpowder not piss on dead hadji to blow your career up.

Things Bill Shatner would have said if ST:TOS was remade today.

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2012 11:26 AM (t/mAc)

310 Honestly whizzing on Taliban corpses doesn't concern me much. They shouldn't have filmed it and they ought to be punished for being that damned idiotic, but like others have said: shooting and exploding people to death = fine, but pissing on them = unforgivable?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 13, 2012 11:26 AM (r4wIV)

311 The pissing troops should be punished. Now USA is even more hated. Pissing on dead bodies? USA is supposed to be a civilized nation. This is barbaric. We now have more people who HATE the USA.

Posted by: Marine@yahoo.com at January 13, 2012 11:33 AM (RHb9m)

312 If only they had cut off their heads and pissed down their windpipes.

Posted by: RFA at January 13, 2012 01:30 PM (YVsCJ)

313 I hope they had bacon for breakfast that morning.

Posted by: kretyn, usmc at January 13, 2012 02:05 PM (fWdId)

314 I think the penalty should be that they be sat in a room an sternly told to 'quit it'.

Posted by: Kevin at January 13, 2012 02:06 PM (3o64G)

315 Cpl.  Derp:                  LT what about this  bunch o hadjis over here.
Lt.  InAHurry:            Piss on  em.
later,
Maj. Review Board:   Thank God  you didn't say fuck em.

Posted by: DaveA's but wait there is more for the joke at January 13, 2012 02:21 PM (t/mAc)

Posted by: hey at January 13, 2012 03:08 PM (oZfic)

317 Eh...I think the two talibs and a cup video was better.

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at January 13, 2012 04:13 PM (SzAZ7)

318 The first rule of, uh, peeing on a corpseman is don't pee on, uh, the corpseman.

Posted by: Presnit Oblama at January 13, 2012 04:32 PM (qs9G3)

319 A former Marine friend of mine said that when his wife told him that she found such behavior disgusting, he said:" Hell I'd have been the first guy to whip it out."

Posted by: CMU VET at January 13, 2012 04:34 PM (/crvS)

320

Yep, filmin it was a dumb ass redneck thing to do but DAMN, thats some funny shit.

Fuck the Taliban, Long live the Core.

Posted by: Rich K at January 13, 2012 04:57 PM (X4l3T)

321 The point is that they natural sympathy for a dead person that most people would feel is entirely absent in this case -- in fact, you feel something pretty close to hate; I'm not sure there's any other way you can feel about a terrorist dirtbag who was just trying to kill you and your friends -- so you're not naturally going to feel that you should treat the corpse with respect.

Terrorists, which is what the Taliban basically are, are fighters without honor. A lack of honor deserves no honor in return.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 13, 2012 05:10 PM (l2fOr)

322 Tuned in to Mark Levin and the callers were calling to thank him for his rant about this subject.  Apparently it was his best rant ever.  Trying to find it to post a link.

Posted by: hey at January 13, 2012 06:54 PM (oZfic)

323 This is bullshit and the commanders not supporting their Marines is bigger bullshit. The Taliban behead people, fer cryin' out loud.

What an f'n lack of perspective.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at January 13, 2012 07:09 PM (+XVQe)

324 I would support punishment for these Marines if our enemies were held to the same standard.  But they're not.  Not even by they're own cult members.

So I suggest we start dumping every drop of piss made in America all over the Muslim world, on a daily basis.  When they complain, we can just say "Hey, you quit pissing on us, and we'll quit pissing on you."  Ironically, this is exactly how the Democrats feel about international trade, or "fair trade" as they call it.


Posted by: Vercingetorix at January 13, 2012 07:31 PM (pOUA4)

325 332 "Fuck the Taliban, Long live the Core."

That's "Corpse", you racist.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at January 13, 2012 07:35 PM (pOUA4)

326 Peeing on the tubes to cool them off so you can keep putting rounds on the enemy - innovative Peeing on their dead bodies after you killed them...

Posted by: D at January 13, 2012 07:43 PM (nOA0j)

327 I won't watch any suck video. On the other hand, that's exactly what I would have done. Moreover, before loading my mags, I would have dipped each and every meplat in lard or the next best thing. They cut off our heads, marry their cousins, and have temporary "marriages" with little kids. In contrast, when ya gotta drain it, ya gotta drain it. The political action as a result may be the most important indicator of who's in charge in our country, us or them.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 13, 2012 08:35 PM (OhenJ)

328 @322: Hey, gurl, I think your Prius is double-parked in the loading zone.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 13, 2012 08:39 PM (OhenJ)

329 Was the photographer a mole, monitoring troop actions?

This comes after Biden's, 'not necessary our enemies' comment.. And don't forget, Libs run Media Propaganda.

Liberal/Marxist's dynamic is never letting a crisis go to waste... And (to me) this looks like triangulation (bad them/good us) as BO Admin faces a collapse in negotiations with the Taliban.



Posted by: bbay at January 13, 2012 09:09 PM (+uy5K)

330 I am pissed that they were stupid enough to video themselves doing this. Engadget

Posted by: tamo at January 13, 2012 10:13 PM (R2aBz)

331 “Dear Taliban, We, the Armed Forces of the United States of America, sincerely apologize for the incident in which Forces of the United States Marine Corps desecrated the deceased bodies of your comrades in arms. It is a desecration that we do not condone or authorize. All of our armed forces are trained to respect the dead, even the dead of the enemy, and to, if possible, give them a proper burial as befitting the deceased’s culture and standing. We stand ready to give each and every one of you a proper and respectful burial upon your demise, and foreswear, now and forever, that we will not desecrate your dead after we blow them to itty bitty bits. We promise. Of course it would all be much easier for us to give you a proper and respectful burial if you would all put your guns to your heads and pull the trigger. Repeat if necessary. Thank you for your time. Respectfully, The Armed Forces of the United States of America.”

Posted by: beerparty! at January 14, 2012 03:35 PM (fI1g6)

332 You know that I'm not a perry fan at all.  But, this was perfectly executed and he gets points in my book for just going on CNN with candy.

Posted by: Free Market Capitalism is the Best Path to Prosperity at January 15, 2012 02:49 PM (oZfic)

333 What the fuck is wrong with this site? Brain dead. Can't post simple links.

Posted by: LARRYG at January 15, 2012 05:00 PM (q9LWi)

Posted by: LARRYG at January 15, 2012 05:08 PM (q9LWi)

Hide Comments | Add Comment | Refresh | Top

Comments are disabled. Post is locked.
259kb generated in CPU 0.1831, elapsed 0.3792 seconds.
64 queries taking 0.2937 seconds, 462 records returned.
Powered by Minx 1.1.6c-pink.

Support





Donate to Ace of Spades HQ!


Contact

Change the At to "@" and the DOT to "."




Intermarkets' Privacy Policy
Support


Donate to Ace of Spades HQ!


Search Thingy



Archives

Monthly Traffic

  • Pages: 32045
  • Files: 373
  • Bytes: 838.6M
  • CPU Time: 39:00
  • Queries: 916926

Content

  • Posts: 22824
  • Comments: 5953260

Feeds


RSS 2.0 Atom 1.0