August 21, 2012
— CAC AKA: Chill the f*** out.
Missouri was a gimme, now its likely gone.
Maine is probably gone too, Slu says hold on, I call that a loss.
I see us holding Nevada and Indiana comfortably, esp after R ads hit in Indiana to tie the Democrat to Obamacare. Scott Brown has enjoyed a lead over Fauxahontas, so with this holding we are down 1 seat to 46.
Add Nebraska. That is a given, and gets you to 47.
Add Wisconsin. Baldwin has failed to make any ground, Thompson has near-perfect Republican unity and enjoys an advantage with Independents, that gets you to 48.
Add Montana and North Dakota, where internal polling shows Ds with a slight lead but public polling a different story, and where Republicans will have a monetary advantage for the cycle.
That's 50.
Romney-Ryan means 51- because VP Ryan tie-breaks the Senate.
Problem solved, without Missouri. Or Florida, Ohio, New Mexico or Virginia for that matter. Wins in any of those states gets you to 51 outright. Consider those "call of history/RINO" insurance states.
In terms of odds, I put our chances at capturing 51 seats outright at about 50/50. Getting to 50 seats? 75%. So while Missouri is a slept-on-boner-of-a-pain, all is not lost.
In terms of how likely each seat goes?
100% Nebraska, 99% Wisconsin, 90% Montana, 75% North Dakota, 60% Virginia, 50% Florida, 40% New Mexico/Ohio, 35% Hawaii/Missouri, 25% Michigan, <10% Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Connecticut.
There are more paths to a Senate majority than there are for Romney to hit 270 electoral votes, and with recent polling in the midwest, southwest and south, that's a lot of paths.
To contribute to the competitive races:
MONTANA- Rehberg
WISCONSIN- Thompson
NORTH DAKOTA- Berg
FLORIDA- Mack
VIRGINIA- Allen
OHIO- Mandel
NEW MEXICO- Wilson
and lets not forget Scott Brown of Massachusetts, facing his own fight.
Slu had also suggested we don't abandon Summers in MAINE, so send him a few bucks too.
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Posted by: TwoStar at August 21, 2012 04:37 PM (3qXPO)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 04:37 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: Slublog at August 21, 2012 04:39 PM (SjVZP)
Posted by: TwoStar at August 21, 2012 04:39 PM (3qXPO)
There are more paths to a Senate majority than there are for Romney to hit 270 electoral votes, and with recent polling in the midwest, southwest and south, that's a lot of paths.
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I like that sentence. Maybe now we can all start climbing down from that ledge.
Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 21, 2012 04:40 PM (P6QsQ)
Also, the slept-on boner line is pretty damned funny.
Posted by: andrew at August 21, 2012 04:41 PM (65QIv)
Posted by: Gerry at August 21, 2012 04:42 PM (JKq+J)
What say you?
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 04:42 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 04:42 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: dogfish at August 21, 2012 04:42 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: TJexcite at August 21, 2012 04:43 PM (PNDql)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2012 04:43 PM (fU0YZ)
You don't understand, this means I'll have to put up with Claire Bear for ANOTHER SIX FUCKING YEARS!!!1eleventy!!11!!
(I said I was done with this before. Turns out, not so much.)
Posted by: filbert at August 21, 2012 04:43 PM (smvTK)
and not to be a wetblanket, but Akin KABLOW has not hit the polls yet....
I'll cross my fingers.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 04:43 PM (LRFds)
Yes a sore loser law, no primary loser can run without GOP approval and the GOP cannot field two candidates "formally".
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 04:44 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: President Obama, Constitutional Scholar and All Around Genius at August 21, 2012 04:45 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Jaimo at August 21, 2012 04:45 PM (v0el1)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 21, 2012 04:45 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: dogfish at August 21, 2012 04:45 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: dogfish
Jim Geraghty said there is a sore loser law in MO. http://tinyurl.com/8fdk449
Posted by: TJexcite at August 21, 2012 04:46 PM (PNDql)
Posted by: Airandee at August 21, 2012 04:47 PM (9GHCK)
Posted by: Paper at August 21, 2012 04:47 PM (UOC+H)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2012 04:47 PM (2pG7H)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 21, 2012 08:45 PM (uhAkr)
Not yet, give Gerry time.
Posted by: Adam at August 21, 2012 04:47 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: CAC at August 21, 2012 04:47 PM (LfLY7)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 04:47 PM (Wp4rQ)
That's 50...
The reelected Scott Brown goes independent because he "believes in bi-partisan solutions and wants everyone to have a say in our national dialog."* Votes for Reid and gets a plum committee chairmanship.
*wants to Leibermann into his old age.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 21, 2012 04:47 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Airandee at August 21, 2012 04:48 PM (9GHCK)
"100% Nebraska, 99% Wisconsin, 90% Montana, 75% North Dakota, 60% Virginia, 50% Florida, 40% New Mexico/Ohio, 35% Hawaii/Missouri, 25% Michigan, <10% Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Connecticut."
I'm on it...
Posted by: Optimizer at August 21, 2012 04:48 PM (As94z)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 04:48 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2012 04:49 PM (05RcU)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2012 04:49 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: NJ Libertarian (@BadMesmer) at August 21, 2012 04:49 PM (R79sT)
ROMNEY 56%
OBAMA 38%
Remember, NO bounce.
Wait, what? Is that legit?
Posted by: andrew at August 21, 2012 04:50 PM (65QIv)
Posted by: CAC at August 21, 2012 04:50 PM (LfLY7)
Posted by: Paper at August 21, 2012 04:51 PM (UOC+H)
Posted by: Alexander at August 21, 2012 04:51 PM (1/13k)
Posted by: The Archhitect, Karl Rove at August 21, 2012 04:52 PM (jucos)
MSNBC has a new poll out, trumpeting a 4 pt Obama lead...
With a 6 pt. Dem advantage in those poll'd...
And a 9 pt advantage of those who voted Obama over McCain last election..
so... even in this way tilted sample... Ob
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2012 04:53 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: rabidfox at August 21, 2012 04:54 PM (HlzEB)
% of Stupid Party hacks who laugh at those believers - 100
% of Stupid Party hacks who get that there's a problem here - 0
Posted by: Gerry at August 21, 2012 04:54 PM (JKq+J)
Posted by: Finn McCool at August 21, 2012 04:54 PM (R/8dI)
Posted by: filbert at August 21, 2012 04:55 PM (smvTK)
Not that I personally believe Romney would press it, but Ocare won't go if Obastard wins.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 21, 2012 04:56 PM (O1BLm)
Posted by: Todd Aiken at August 21, 2012 04:56 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 21, 2012 04:56 PM (sfsM9)
Posted by: Adam at August 21, 2012 04:57 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: filbert at August 21, 2012 04:58 PM (smvTK)
So all hope is lost on taking the seat of Maria "The Whore of the Senate" Cantwell in WA?
If it gets tight, she may resort to vote for me and I will sleep with you.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at August 21, 2012 04:58 PM (C2//T)
Posted by: Gerry at August 21, 2012 08:54 PM (JKq+J)
Really, we want to know. What is it about airline food?
Posted by: fluffy at August 21, 2012 04:58 PM (O6q63)
Because this is a libertarian / conservative blog, not First Things. There do exist nonbelievers who agree with the Right- not just Christ0ph types who come in here to raise, um, hell.
Whether nonbelief is compatible with the Right is another question. But you asked about the nonbelievers as people, not the philosophical question.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo, lord of the chartreuse longbow at August 21, 2012 04:59 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: USS Diversity-damus at August 21, 2012 04:59 PM (0CiTm)
That's slander! Nelson is not under the age of 18.
Posted by: Harry Reid at August 21, 2012 04:59 PM (HtUdo)
Posted by: Gerry at August 21, 2012 05:00 PM (JKq+J)
Pete is just getting started here in Michigan.
Dem low enthusiasm will hold down turnout, this will hurt Debbie. A lot of Dems here already think that Obama will not carry the state. Some Romney coat-tails will help Hoekstra.
And just possibly the Tea Parties may just decide he is worth his salt, based on a fairly true conservative voting record.
We have our work cut out for us, there will be no rest till November.
But there may be great rewards then.
Posted by: Mister Money at August 21, 2012 05:02 PM (wN82N)
I've been told that being a failure in real life will do that. Ain't that right, Erggy?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 21, 2012 05:03 PM (Q/1Jp)
That's slander! Nelson is not under the age of 18.
Sorry Harry, but we all know that you're not that discriminating.
Posted by: rabidfox at August 21, 2012 05:04 PM (HlzEB)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2012 05:04 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: The Q at August 21, 2012 05:04 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: SH at August 21, 2012 05:05 PM (2XIvU)
Posted by: nickless at August 21, 2012 05:05 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: The Q at August 21, 2012 05:05 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at August 21, 2012 05:06 PM (PH+2B)
Posted by: stepped on bonner of a pain at August 21, 2012 05:06 PM (Bm4aK)
Posted by: Campbell S. Brown at August 21, 2012 05:07 PM (bDUMn)
Posted by: Dr. Gergenfly Tardyaso at August 21, 2012 05:07 PM (aHR5E)
We were a week into the Ryan pick and the Dems hadn't rendered any significant damage on him. Now they're working out a way to paint him as a nut.
Fantastic.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 05:08 PM (sefrH)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 21, 2012 05:08 PM (jucos)
This is a sign of where things are really going. Akin will be forgotten or considered a local irrelevancy soon enough. The Dems can run Akin ads all day every day and all it will do is get old. The shit economy will not be forgotten. Most abortion lovers care WAY more about the economy than abortion. The ones that do not fit that description were NEVER going to vote for Mitt anyway because they're libtard scum. We win on almost every issue. That will change as the libtards and gutter trash outbreed and out propagandize us, but for now all is not yet lost.
Akin is a short term blip/poll turner. Maybe the fool will lose us his state, but he's not going to lose us the war. Indeed, he may not even lose Mitt his state. There's this thing - you don't have to vote a straight ticket. I know - hard to believe, right?
Posted by: Reactionary at August 21, 2012 05:08 PM (jfeoD)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at August 21, 2012 05:09 PM (PH+2B)
Posted by: rabidfox at August 21, 2012 05:09 PM (HlzEB)
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The answer to which is yes.
Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 21, 2012 05:09 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: 44QuickPassOn2 at August 21, 2012 05:10 PM (EuW9O)
anyone know the answer to this? apologies if it already has been answered.=======================
can another candidate run as an independent, or just the 3, dem, repub, libetarian? How can an independent be stopped from running? is that a rule in MO?
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 21, 2012 05:10 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: Gerry at August 21, 2012 09:00 PM (JKq+J)
Don't you mean Obama? Anyways a comment stolen from this Swiss story:
"Apparently, I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what Obama does with mine."
Posted by: Billy Quizboy at August 21, 2012 05:10 PM (FEzSe)
Which leaves out of the analysis the disastrous echo effect that Akin is going to have on swing races all over the country.
Guess what? The _LA Times_ is out there right now with a scoop that the guy Akin got his evil-rape-sperm-detector nonsense from turns out to be Dr. Jack Willke, whose endorsement had previously been touted by... MITT ROMNEY. The top of the goddamned ticket. Who knows who else is going to end up tarred with that same brush?
Akin would be bad if the Akin effect were a local one confined to Missouri. It's not. This is national level collateral damage. So factor that into the analysis for those other swing Senate seats.
Someone referred to my dour comments about this earlier today as being "Buzzkillington" in nature. Fuck yeah. My own buzz has been killed stone cold dead and my mellow has been severely harshed. Losing otherwise easily winnable elections with unforced errors has that effect on me. So sorry.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 21, 2012 05:12 PM (ymG7s)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 21, 2012 05:12 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: Forrest "Todd" Akin at August 21, 2012 05:12 PM (2pG7H)
Posted by: Alexander at August 21, 2012 08:53 PM (1/13k
Actually, I'm under the impression there are quite a lot here, including some of the main writers (okay, if not full-scale atheists, at least non-religious). This blog isn't anti-religious people, but it's not like it's very religious either.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 05:12 PM (sefrH)
"...the only thing that's Akin is Todd's ass."
Posted by: Lou at August 21, 2012 05:14 PM (xp1pq)
Posted by: rabidfox at August 21, 2012 05:14 PM (HlzEB)
This will all pass. I really think we have been buying to much into the MSM meh.
MO? Fuck most of their cousins are their cousins and they never had sex.
That was rude.
The WAVE will carry it all and this dumb fuck will be a senator.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at August 21, 2012 05:14 PM (3ZjAP)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2012 05:14 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: naes at August 21, 2012 05:15 PM (4WQJ/)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 21, 2012 05:15 PM (jucos)
Posted by: naes at August 21, 2012 09:15 PM (4WQJ/)
Yea, but wait until the Akin-stench gets into Hawaii.
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 21, 2012 05:16 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: thunderb at August 21, 2012 05:16 PM (Dnbau)
Posted by: SH at August 21, 2012 05:16 PM (2XIvU)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2012 05:17 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Schnack at August 21, 2012 05:17 PM (sl7j5)
What i'm worried about is that he won't get much, because "Hey, ND, so a lock." Don't call it a lock, Berg can still lose this. You gotta remember that ND had solid (D) reps/senators until 2010, if Berg wins we would have flipped both our senate seats and rep. chair.
Posted by: Cashin at August 21, 2012 05:18 PM (4Iz2n)
Posted by: jewells45 at August 21, 2012 05:19 PM (UljOc)
And we're glad to know the elections are all about you.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 21, 2012 05:19 PM (Q/1Jp)
Trayvonn Enterprises was an attempt to stir up The Base, who are 13 % of the pop and maybe 10 % of voters. Ryan and an effective use of the Medicare debate will stir up the Double-Secret Probation R Base: Cranky Old White People
Posted by: Tim in Timbuktu at August 21, 2012 05:19 PM (Dll6b)
Posted by: naes at August 21, 2012 05:19 PM (4WQJ/)
I'm watching it work. I've already seen it work with a couple people I know. Yeah, that's not a representative sample (I probably shouldn't go the "curious" route) and I hope this subsides. I hope you're right, but I thought the evidence was so overwhelming that the Jared Loughner storyline wouldn't be damaging to us either--you get enough people in the media behind one storyline, though, and spread it enough around people who aren't political junkies and, voila, you'll do some damage. You'll especially do some damage when you have a willing/clueless candidate helping you out.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 05:20 PM (sefrH)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 09:05 PM That's a race that could go Repub. Brown is a dick and not that well liked personally. He comes off as a ditz.
Posted by: Deanna at August 21, 2012 05:21 PM (3nJk7)
Posted by: Carl in Carlsbad at August 21, 2012 05:21 PM (Dll6b)
The USS Concern seems to arrive at odd times.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 21, 2012 05:21 PM (Q/1Jp)
With the timezone change and the way that light and sound have to travel through the earth's core to get there, no way the Morlocks let this so-called "scandal" reach Hawaii before November.
It is known.
Posted by: Dr. Professor Akin, MD, DDS, SCOAMF at August 21, 2012 05:21 PM (q5NFp)
Ace...thanks for the Twitter wisdom today.
Posted by: NanceHanson at August 21, 2012 05:21 PM (PTC4e)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2012 09:14 PM (6o4Fb)
Nor "Kristophr," who evidently bears a strong antipathy towards "fundies." Funny, that.
Posted by: Grey Fox at August 21, 2012 05:22 PM (az+j/)
Posted by: Reactionary at August 21, 2012 09:08 PM (jfeoD)
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I guess it depends on how much McCaskill has worn out her welcome. We'll see. She might have been a little too clever for her own good. Just supposing the Lord's Own Biden manages to pull out a win over McCaskill, it will be a tricky task chaining that particular cannon to the Senate deck.
Posted by: 66chevelle at August 21, 2012 05:22 PM (QjSgY)
Posted by: SH at August 21, 2012 05:22 PM (2XIvU)
Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at August 21, 2012 05:22 PM (O2Gu6)
Posted by: USS Diversity-damus at August 21, 2012 05:23 PM (0CiTm)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 21, 2012 05:24 PM (uhAkr)
Watching Hannity's interview with Ryan, I'd rather have him as president. He reminds me of a younger reagan.
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 21, 2012 05:25 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: jewells45 at August 21, 2012 09:19 PM (UljOc)
This. Let the libtards waste their ad budgets on Akin. We have more money, and 50 more winning issues. We win. Akin is a misfortune, but not a fatal one.
Michigan is leaning Right. Akin is not changing that, because nobody here cares about him except the hard core leftists anyway. Were you planning on their votes? Are you that retarded?
Posted by: Reactionary at August 21, 2012 05:25 PM (jfeoD)
Posted by: mantuaBill at August 21, 2012 05:25 PM (A0xmq)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 05:26 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: thunderb at August 21, 2012 05:26 PM (Dnbau)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at August 21, 2012 05:27 PM (x5v9i)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2012 05:27 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Deanna at August 21, 2012 09:21 PM (3nJk7)
I see Mandel's ads and think the guy looks like a kid. And he's older than me. I hope he shoves Sherrod's face in the dirt.
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2012 05:28 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: naes at August 21, 2012 05:28 PM (4WQJ/)
Posted by: thunderb at August 21, 2012 05:28 PM (Dnbau)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at August 21, 2012 05:29 PM (x5v9i)
Posted by: jewells45 at August 21, 2012 05:29 PM (UljOc)
If every repub entity has pulled their money from Akins, where is he going to get his money? (and how long will he last with no money) He cannot have that many donations, heck I was ready to donate to him before this all happened.
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 21, 2012 05:29 PM (ACkhT)
Lets pull Mandel over the finish line for my buckeye state.
Washington is broken? Send in the Marine!!
Posted by: knob (R-OH) at August 21, 2012 05:30 PM (p5w11)
Posted by: thunderb at August 21, 2012 09:26 PM (Dnbau)
If is this was really widespread, why is this the first time I have heard it? I have spent 30 years among pro-life folks, helped picket the local abortionist office, was very close to the family of a guy who has taken protesting abortion as his life's work, and I have never, ever, heard this before!
Posted by: Grey Fox at August 21, 2012 05:30 PM (az+j/)
He's got no funding mechanism left either official or from outside groups. In month he won't have money for TV ads.
Posted by: naes at August 21, 2012 05:30 PM (4WQJ/)
Posted by: 66chevelle at August 21, 2012 09:22 PM (QjSgY)
Point taken. But so long as Mitt wins, we don't even really need the Senate. He can waiver Deathcare out of existence. Obie has proven that the executive branch selectively enforces what laws it likes, spends any amount of money it wants, appoints who it wants, and basically ignores congress at will.
Posted by: Reactionary at August 21, 2012 05:30 PM (jfeoD)
The problem is not just the media. You have captive audience in high school and college, you have the Federal work environment they all devolve into lib echo chambers. The media will not let go, look at the tax thing.
I am not going to pretend hos much worse he'd get today, but I knew from his "apology" and "prayer vigil" that somehow God told him, "Todd YOU need to make this right."
Akin heard something a lot different in that than I would...
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 05:31 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 21, 2012 05:31 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: jewells45 at August 21, 2012 05:32 PM (UljOc)
138....If this is correct, aren't all right to life candidates going to be pilloried on this?
Posted by: thunderb at August 21, 2012 09:26 PM (Dnbau)
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Yep.
This thing with Akin is the gift that just keeps giving.
Giving to the Donkeys, that is.
He has just made it harder....for everyone....in every race.
Posted by: wheatie at August 21, 2012 05:33 PM (mtRB0)
As I posted on another thread, as an Oklahoman with real Cherokee heritage it gave me great pleasure to give Scott Brown money to help him defeat a former Oklahoman and non-Cherokee. I also enjoyed donating to Summers because my Liberal idiot boss is from Maine.
Posted by: Will Be Taking Applications and Assimilating The Love-slaves at August 21, 2012 05:33 PM (kXoT0)
Claire and the DNC will give it to him which should be setting off alarms as her funding him should have set MO GOP alarms off.
This half wit truly thinks Claire is being nice and Huck is feeding that.
Huck needs about 60 pounds kicked off his body.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 05:33 PM (LRFds)
"Akin would be bad if the Akin effect were a local one confined to Missouri. It's not.
Guess what? The _LA Times_ is out there right now with a scoop that the guy Akin got his evil-rape-sperm-detector nonsense from turns out to be Dr. Jack Willke, whose endorsement had previously been touted by... MITT ROMNEY."
Posted by: torquewrench at August 21, 2012 09:12 PM (ymG7s)
Yeahh, no. "The Network Revealed" and "Follow the Flowchart of Evil" stuff doesn't captivate anyone, right or left, for more than fifteen minutes. So either Good Luck With That, or Don't Sweat the Seven Degrees, depending on where you're coming from.
Posted by: 66chevelle at August 21, 2012 05:33 PM (QjSgY)
and should we lose enough he has set back the pro-life cause between 6-12 years.
"Good work Todd"
//God
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 05:33 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: SH at August 21, 2012 05:34 PM (2XIvU)
Baseball - MLB Network in most areas of the country. Some areas showing Yankees/WhiteSox
Posted by: The Q at August 21, 2012 05:34 PM (B/yDO)
When you have a sympathetic media, you can just shut up and, more often than not, that stupid thing is not going to do much damage to you.
When you don't have a sympathetic media, that's much less likely to happen.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 05:34 PM (sefrH)
Posted by: RKinRoanoke at August 21, 2012 05:34 PM (pxur/)
At this point he could just coast into the loser slot but I was disturbed* to see that McAssface funded some pseudo-negative ads against Akin that supposedly pushed primary voters towards him. So it's not unfathomable to think that some Clean Government PAC or NoLabels group can throw in a few bucks just keep him in the race.
*that's my passive aggressive way of admitting that I was wrong earlier today when another commenter noted that McAssface was part of the reason the primary voters voted for Akin.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 21, 2012 05:35 PM (Q/1Jp)
Q: what we get when we overreact?
Posted by: SH at August 21, 2012 09:31 PM (2XIvU)
Yep. And Bush was warned by conservatives that it was a TERRIBLE idea that would never do what it was supposed to, would be impossible to get rid of, and would unionize and become another permanent and twisted federal piece of shit. But, Bush was worried about what the left and the squishes would say if he didn't follow the recommendations of that insane 9/11 commission, which was the biggest joke of a leftist piece of shit we have seen. But ... being worried about "how it would look" not to follow the idiots, we got the TSA and are now stuck with it.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 05:35 PM (X3lox)
Exactly, the usual weasel position is the easiest and best for the party nationally, BUT a simple I am staunchly pro-life no exceptions followed by I answered let's move on" I'd have his back.....
this is "different" a LOT "different".
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 05:35 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: thunderb at August 21, 2012 05:36 PM (Dnbau)
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 09:33 PM (LRFds)
Actually he didn't even know that 1.5 million was spent by Claire to praise him in the primaries. How someone this dumbwitted got this far, I cannot figure out.
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 21, 2012 05:36 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: thunderb at August 21, 2012 05:38 PM (Dnbau)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 05:38 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 21, 2012 05:39 PM (TMB3S)
Not shutting up but turning it around and attacking the left's positions - i.e. how they abuse exceptions in law to totally destroy law, how they want to kill aborted babies born alive, how they promote the idea of abortion until the moment of delivery (which is as insane as it gets), ...
But, instead, our wonderful people prefer to turn on our own and show that they are better shots at conservatives than the left.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 05:39 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 09:35 PM (X3lox)
Meh. Our side has nothing to lose from eliminating the TSA. It would win more votes than it would lose - that much is certain. Everyone knows its a joke. Everyone hates it.
Posted by: Reactionary at August 21, 2012 05:40 PM (jfeoD)
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 21, 2012 05:41 PM (ACkhT)
What a bunch of nervous nellies. I have been coming to this Blog since 2007 and you guys always get caught up in the media who ha that goes on. Yes Akin said something dumb, but he has apologized and the new AD he is running to his fellow Missourian's (sp?) is very good. Mea Culpa. I predict he will win MO anyway. Mcasgill(sp? who cares!) is not popular in MO. In this realignment election 2012 is to be will carry him. ....there are 23 DEM seats are up this yr only 10 GOP. All are safe even Scooter Brown in MA. GOP will win at least 7 to 9 seats. that includes Lingle in HA. She is ahead and will win by 10 or so. Akin did the right thing, he could have quit, but he faced his mistake, owned it, apologized to MO, the ADs when you see them online are compelling. You are right on contributions.. they all need dough, because the DEMs are broke and SS Obama/Biden are heading down.
Posted by: Allen D. Warren at August 21, 2012 05:41 PM (pbxRU)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 21, 2012 05:41 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 21, 2012 09:40 PM (uhAkr)
Oh, God. Now you've done it.
Posted by: Adam at August 21, 2012 05:41 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 09:39 PM (X3lox)
Someone that until 2 days ago believed that "if you got pregnant then you weren't raped" is not one of my own.
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2012 05:42 PM (GULKT)
Well, what are YOU ALL gonna do about it?
Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at August 21, 2012 05:42 PM (O2Gu6)
We hope.
I'll ask again if Huck and Todd were trying to hurt as as an op what would be different?
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 05:42 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: torabora at August 21, 2012 05:44 PM (4QI0N)
Alright--head out and get every sympathetic journalist, every sympathetic newspaper, and every sympathetic news anchor that we have on that right now.
Get set. Go!
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 05:44 PM (sefrH)
Posted by: 56 and loving RR at August 21, 2012 05:46 PM (e9kQC)
Maybe the RNC should divert some of that MO senate race monies to my neck of the woods?
Posted by: Serious Cat at August 21, 2012 05:46 PM (zrpqj)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 21, 2012 09:41 PM (uhAkr)
Among who? What populations are sampled? And with what wording of the questions? Most of us on the hard Right hate it. Anyone who flies should hate it. The leftards hate it. Sheesh... They're as useful as tits on a bull.
Ah well. It would be pretty damn easy to run a campaign against them. Alas - one more issue that is too low on the priority list to fix.
Posted by: Reactionary at August 21, 2012 05:46 PM (jfeoD)
The timing sucks; but it could have happened on November the First, and that would have been worse.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 21, 2012 05:47 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: jewells45 at August 21, 2012 05:47 PM (UljOc)
These folks are going to be like Arlen Specter and his gang of 14 with judicial nominees. We need a solid conservative core. Missouri hurts.
Posted by: naes at August 21, 2012 05:47 PM (4WQJ/)
Posted by: nickless at August 21, 2012 05:48 PM (MMC8r)
I'm ON IT!
We've turned the fact SCOAMF is ignoring Congress subpoenaing the F&F records as opposed to asking for Mitt's taxes so well BREAK!
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 05:48 PM (LRFds)
163 The RNC needs to put their efforts to other close races that are winnable. Here, they need to start showing some pro-Allen, Anti-Kaine ads. Tim Kaine was the DNC chair for goodness sake. Let's help Allen beat Kaine. Then the path to 51+ becomes clear.
Here in northern Virginia I see almost as many anti Kaine TV ads as anti Obama ads. The battle is on.
Posted by: Barky O''Bumbles at August 21, 2012 05:48 PM (/TMxX)
Damn it, buzzion; we're supposed to be enemies, why are you saying shit that makes sense. Cognitive dissonance makes my head hurt.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 21, 2012 05:48 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: maineconservative at August 21, 2012 05:49 PM (QCTnA)
Get set. Go!
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 09:44 PM (sefrH)
I said nothing about sympathetic journalists. I spoke about how conservatives need to handle the questions from antagonistic journalists. This ain't rocket science.
Next, the MFM will start back up on the "magic underwear" theme ... but what the MFM wants to do says nothing about how conseratives can easily deal with them - and not by shooting our own (buzzion, excepted, of course) in some idiotic self-sacrificial ritual.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 05:49 PM (X3lox)
Cheer up. Romney is 3 times tougher a candidate than I hoped, and he may decide you know what fluke this I'm going downtown!
We'll see. Akin just hurt because literally ALL he had to do was be boring.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 05:50 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: jewells45 at August 21, 2012 05:50 PM (UljOc)
You know, that's the conciliation I'm going to take out of this. We're no longer talking about the tax records. Awesome.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 05:51 PM (sefrH)
Posted by: cthulhu at August 21, 2012 05:52 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 21, 2012 05:52 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: jewells45 at August 21, 2012 05:52 PM (UljOc)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Fapping Imaginatively Since Time Immemorial at August 21, 2012 05:52 PM (x5v9i)
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 21, 2012 05:52 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Still Standing with Todd Akin at August 21, 2012 05:53 PM (zrpqj)
This is the best way to damage control.
If you can make the reason you're doing damage control go away (as opposed to it going on until the election), I prefer taking that route.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 05:54 PM (sefrH)
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at August 21, 2012 05:55 PM (/TMxX)
I had a long talk with myself and I asked myself this one question, "How much money was I willing to put on the line for the chance to not have Harry Reid as Senate Majority Leader any more?" Then I divided that up and sent the money to 11 candidates.
Posted by: Will Be Taking Applications and Assimilating The Love-slaves at August 21, 2012 05:55 PM (kXoT0)
Seriously. Use word of mouth, if need be bust out Barry and the Linen Closet....
we can't quit, and we won't.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 05:55 PM (LRFds)
Q: what we get when we overreact?
Posted by: SH at August 21, 2012 09:31 PM (2XIvU)
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Don't leave out the DHS.
And when we don't pay attention, we get a weaponized Department of Education.
Posted by: 66chevelle at August 21, 2012 05:56 PM (QjSgY)
Posted by: Jr at August 21, 2012 05:56 PM (BdVar)
Posted by: RKinRoanoke at August 21, 2012 05:56 PM (pxur/)
Dana Perino just suggested the same thing--re: it's the consultants who are encouraging him to stay in so they can get paid.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 05:56 PM (sefrH)
Is two days of saying this is the end of the world enough? AD is right. The media will harp on this and harp on this. But the media doesn't always get their way. If they did, gay marriage would be allowed in every state and no one would own a gun. I'm ready to move on and fight the good fight. I can't wait until they overplay their hand.
That is what I think we are overreacting to. Not the initial reaction and trying to get him to resign. But the belief that this will be a costly drag on the entire nationwide ticket.
Posted by: SH at August 21, 2012 05:56 PM (2XIvU)
Posted by: Star Voyager Gus Grissom at August 21, 2012 05:57 PM (x5v9i)
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 21, 2012 05:57 PM (ACkhT)
You can't write in one of the primary losers. FUCK. There's really not much wiggle room here.
Posted by: naes at August 21, 2012 05:59 PM (4WQJ/)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at August 21, 2012 06:00 PM (x5v9i)
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at August 21, 2012 06:00 PM (/TMxX)
On Greta's show: retired navy seal calls Barry "arrogant and condescending and belittling"
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 21, 2012 06:01 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 06:01 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: Naj at August 21, 2012 06:02 PM (tAHf5)
Posted by: Ed Anger at August 21, 2012 06:02 PM (tOkJB)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at August 21, 2012 06:02 PM (x5v9i)
Paging BDSM moronette lurkers . . .
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 21, 2012 06:04 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Newt at August 21, 2012 06:04 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: Mycroft at August 21, 2012 06:04 PM (qDICb)
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 09:54 PM (sefrH)
Not if you do more damage in the process (which is obvious) and make people worry that you will turn on anyone in a second, both of which are the outcomes of these asinine circular firing squads that the center-right (and now right) launch into whenever there is a whiff of possible "embarrassment". I don't know that I would trust any of the people who turned on Akin in a second.
People hold all sorts of views, some of which we agree with, some of which we don't. There are many who share the same conclusions as I might but get there by radically different reasoning (poor reasoning on their parts). But that is life and it is not the most important thing in the world, especially when we can each provide our own reasoning and understanding of whatever the topic is - and then turn it all against the left. Showing a bit of loyalty and not being cowed by the despicable, lying scumbag left is much more important. Like I said, I wouldn't trust many of this bunch for any sort of backing and that is fatal. More damage than anything about a particular candidate or his ideas.
Of course, so few on the right have had the guts to defend America against the onslaught of the Indonesian Imbecile, calling the retard "intelligent" for YEARS and cowing to him and his asshole junta on the Hill. The Crybaby and Bitch Mcconell have helped the America-hating idiot for the whole time, scared to defend anything - lest they be viewed as attached to the "violent" Town Hallers and Tea Partiers ... I would have loved to see this sort of reaction to the Crybaby and McConnell as they fucked us over after the 2010 election ... but no. No one (of the punditry) cared too much about that. But they are going ape-shit over Akin and having to address the idea of abortion and rape exceptions 9which they should be able to handle, no matter what their position is).
This is all too pathetic, really.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 06:05 PM (X3lox)
I freakin hate pixie.
This is not the hill to die on at this point in time. We can work on that later. Right now our Country is in peril, we need to gain seats in the House, gain control of the Senate and return some class and dignity to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
just my .02.
Posted by: Infidel at August 21, 2012 06:05 PM (rkWzl)
So clair-a-boo has found a reverse operation chaos and is thinking she has BOUGHT herself another term?
Well, what are YOU ALL gonna do about it?
Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at August 21, 2012 09:42 PM (O2Gu6)
That's what I'm sayin'. If the GOP is stuck with Akin, they can still go negative on McCaskill. That shit does work. Let the lord provide for Todd, and take a shovel to the snake.
Posted by: 66chevelle at August 21, 2012 06:06 PM (QjSgY)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at August 21, 2012 06:07 PM (x5v9i)
@190 Winning the Senate is about Obamacare and that is it.
This must happen or we will have this shitpile around forever....
It will become SS Medicare/aid and welfare
Something we may be able to tinker with but never get rid of.
Budgets and the rest are up to Romney and Ryan to work the congress.
Which I think they have the stones for although I didn't a few months ago.
Posted by: Finn McCool at August 21, 2012 06:07 PM (R/8dI)
Maybe but we need to figure out whether we go write in, God calls Todd back up, or just napalm Obamacare in general mentioning Claire bear...
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 06:07 PM (LRFds)
The fuckhead said if you got pregnant, you didn't get raped. The guy must go, end of story.
Posted by: mugiwara at August 21, 2012 06:10 PM (rLvxx)
Forget about Akin. Punish his consultants and punish Huckabee. Just because.
But the belief that this will be a costly drag on the entire nationwide ticket.
I appreciate the comments, but if he damages tournout in MO, that'll damage the entire ticket. What really p***es me off is that we were making headway with Ryan. The Dems hadn't laid a hand on him. Now they're tying him to Akin and everybody has forgotten about the $716 billion cut in Medicare that seemed to be making headway just a couple days ago.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 06:10 PM (sefrH)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at August 21, 2012 06:11 PM (x5v9i)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:11 PM (dZQh7)
This is all too pathetic, really.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 10:05 PM (X3lox)
You're still sticking your fingers in your ears and imagining this is about "opposed to abortion in all instances" instead of "Until 2 days ago I really did think if you got pregnant then you weren't really raped" I see
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2012 06:12 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: mugiwara at August 21, 2012 10:10 PM (rLvxx)
That's not what he said so just shut the fuck up, already. He said, originally, that it was "rare", which it is as a point of fact.
Go change your diaper.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 06:12 PM (X3lox)
SING IT, TODD!
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 21, 2012 06:14 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Newt at August 21, 2012 06:14 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: mugiwara at August 21, 2012 10:10 PM (rLvxx)
That's not what he said so just shut the fuck up, already. He said, originally, that it was "rare", which it is as a point of fact.
Go change your diaper.
That is what he said and what he meant dickhead. He believed that women's body have a magic rape shut off valve.
Posted by: naes at August 21, 2012 06:15 PM (4WQJ/)
Go argue with Jeff B. He seems to disagree with you about this.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 06:16 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: SH at August 21, 2012 06:18 PM (2XIvU)
Congrats Akin, you just lost anyway. What a turd.
Posted by: Fresh at August 21, 2012 06:19 PM (O7ksG)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:19 PM (dZQh7)
TPOP, find me a major Dem who will go in front of a video camera right now and advocate:
killing aborted babies born alive, and promoting the idea of abortion until the moment of delivery
and I'll go along with this plan. (Yes, I know Obama supported a bill to keep doctors from assisting babies who were born alive. We bring that up--he says the bullshit he already said: "I was doing it for a procedural reason to protect other aspects; not because I favored that" and the issue goes away.)
More importantly, find me sympathetic journalists, sympathetic newspapers, and sympathetic reporters who are willing to pepper the Democrats with it for a few months.
We don't have that.
So, this route is a non-starter.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 06:19 PM (sefrH)
"...God calls Todd back up..."
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 10:07 PM (LRFds)
Hehheh...I'm assuming you mean god Lumberg calls Todd back on the Holy Hotline and says, "Todd, ummm...about that Senate Seat...yeah, I'm gonna need you to do something different for me this week...."
Posted by: 66chevelle at August 21, 2012 06:19 PM (QjSgY)
shun him so we can try to defuse this...if the MSM won't let go ask them about Barack and linen Closets
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 06:19 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 06:20 PM (Wp4rQ)
Exactly the opposite in fact. I have a fairly strong dislike for Allen, personally, but I know people on his campaign team and they're good guys, very pro and very solid. Not only are they not worried about SW Virginia, they know it's a major source of votes and strength and are working overtime to max out there.
What they're worried sleepless about is NoVA, especially the formerly reliably GOP counties like Loudon, Fauquier, and Stafford which cockpunched him in 2006 and went for Obama in '08. They swung super-hard back to McDonnell in '09 (but then again McDonnell was such a juggernaut that he actually won FAIRFAX), so there's real hope.
Allen (and Romney) will win if 1.) those swing NoVa counties can be brought back on board; 2.) they get high turnout in the rural areas, particular in the coal country of SW VA; 3.) Wilder is only 'meh'-level engaged in turnout for the Richmond Dems...and this last is a good sign for us given his fondness for McDonnell and Romney -- even though he'll never openly endorse. But he hates the state Dem party and our guys are willing to kiss the ring.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 21, 2012 06:20 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:21 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:22 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: SH at August 21, 2012 06:25 PM (2XIvU)
From the National Cancer Institute (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/stress):
Can stress increase a personÂ’s risk of developing cancer?
Studies done over the past 30 years that examined the relationship between psychological factors, including stress, and cancer risk have produced conflicting results. Although the results of some studies have indicated a link between various psychological factors and an increased risk of developing cancer, a direct cause-and-effect relationship has not been proven.
Some studies have indicated an indirect relationship between stress and certain types of virus-related tumors. Evidence from both animal and human studies suggests that chronic stress weakens a personÂ’s immune system, which in turn may affect the incidence of virus-associated cancers, such as Kaposi sarcoma and some lymphomas.
More recent research with animal models (animals with a disease that is similar to or the same as a disease in humans) suggests that the bodyÂ’s neuroendocrine response (release of hormones into the blood in response to stimulation of the nervous system) can directly alter important processes in cells that help protect against the formation of cancer, such as DNA repair and the regulation of cell growth.
As I said, this is not a defense of Akin's ideas on the body shutting down in cases of rape but you folks should realize that that sort of thinking, applied to many bodily functions, is not far from the conventional wisdom and is discussed seriously.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 06:26 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 06:27 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2012 06:28 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2012 10:28 PM (GULKT)
He didn't say that so why do you have it in quotes?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 06:30 PM (X3lox)
If we had any impact on Todd he'd be gone, it is important that we not be seen "pulling for him"....I want him persona non grata along with Huck, I want even Chris Tingle worried that this will boomerang....
I want a person who bings Todd Akin to see 50 different slags at 50 different rightwing blogs on him so they wonder "wow the guys on his side sure think he's a tard I wonder if the MSM is lying about anything else?"...
sorry
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 06:30 PM (LRFds)
Apparently, Palin supported her against Akin in the MO primary.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 06:31 PM (sefrH)
Posted by: SH at August 21, 2012 06:31 PM (2XIvU)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 10:30 PM (X3lox)
Because I "can." Are your fingers in your ears or are you finally willing to realize that on Hannity today Akin talked about how he has learned over the last two days that you can actually get pregnant from rape.
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2012 06:32 PM (GULKT)
Go Gov Palin!
I'd donate heavily to a sarah steeleman 3rd party run. My MO dem relatives voted for steeleman because of Palin's endorsement.
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 21, 2012 06:32 PM (ACkhT)
Medicare/Ryan/Nelson are all tightly coupled, and will determine the results in Florida.
Unless you want to imagine a path to victory that doesn't include Florida, which is pretty unlikely.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 21, 2012 06:33 PM (dX4hn)
Posted by: entropy at August 21, 2012 06:33 PM (Ci0JG)
Palin just said, if he doesn't get out by the 25th, "it's going to be third party."
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 06:33 PM (sefrH)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:34 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 21, 2012 06:34 PM (dX4hn)
Posted by: SH at August 21, 2012 06:34 PM (2XIvU)
Posted by: mugiwara at August 21, 2012 06:34 PM (rLvxx)
Apparently, Palin supported her against Akin in the MO primary.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 10:31 PM (sefrH)
Palin is likely unaware of the difference between Alaska's election laws and Missouri's.
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2012 06:34 PM (GULKT)
Todd God bless him he threw as many in as he could and he dropped a grenade at all our feet....wounded he them celebrated by calling in a constant time on target arty barrage on us....
"almighty, almighty, this is Zealot 6 I need WP, HE, APDS, Beehive, ILUM, and Smoke over....on my position!"
yeah thanks Huck
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 06:35 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 06:35 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: entropy at August 21, 2012 10:33 PM (Ci0JG)
Damnit, please no.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 06:36 PM (sefrH)
Posted by: entropy at August 21, 2012 06:37 PM (Ci0JG)
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 21, 2012 06:37 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: Serious Cat at August 21, 2012 06:37 PM (zrpqj)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:40 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 06:40 PM (Wp4rQ)
I wasn't defending the statement but many here are acting as if the idea that stress affects bodily processes is some alien notion that would be laughed out of modern medical research.
Of course I know that rape can yield pregnancy. I'm Jewish and I learned long ago that one of the reasons that Judaism is passed maternally is because many of my ancestors were being raped by marauders and to have the children as Jews and not ostracized by the community it was important to have the line defined by the mother.
Akin was trying to soften his position to appeal more to the pro-abortion PC crowd with that argument and it was a stupid one, but not totally out of bounds, given what medical research looks into in other areas. Just an erroneous argument and a bad justificiation when he should just state his anti-abortion position and not try to soften it with such arguments. But holding ideas like that are not the worst thing in the world and they are not that far off from other considerations that medical research looks into. I would think that the notion that stress causes cancer would be much odder than the idea that stress can stop a pregnancy, but we get lots of research into the stress/cancer connection.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 06:40 PM (X3lox)
it stops when he quits or his idiocy no longer hurts...
he is hard at work "doing good"....
he literally could not do more harm if he were a mole.
"almighty, almighty this is Zealot 6, I need candles* on my position..."
*candles is slang for atomic arty
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 06:41 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: entropy at August 21, 2012 06:41 PM (Ci0JG)
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 21, 2012 06:41 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:42 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 06:43 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: entropy at August 21, 2012 06:43 PM (Ci0JG)
Posted by: mugiwara at August 21, 2012 06:43 PM (rLvxx)
Posted by: entropy at August 21, 2012 06:44 PM (Ci0JG)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:44 PM (dZQh7)
Here, just convince Steelman to include a "legalize marijuana" position in her platform. Nobody on our side would hold it against her and it might work.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 06:45 PM (sefrH)
But holding ideas like that are not the worst thing in the world and they are not that far off from other considerations that medical research looks into
Holding the idea until the last two days that You cannot get pregnant from legitimate rape is not one of the worst ideas in the world?
See until Hannity today you could have claimed that he just had a case of foot in mouth and that he really didn't mean to say that. But on Hannity he admitted to only discovering over the last 2 days that rape can result in pregnancy. So his idea of the magic goalie blocking rape sperm from the net really was the same as believing you weren't really raped if you got pregnant from it.
Pull your fingers out of your ears and listen.
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2012 06:45 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: eman at August 21, 2012 10:35 PM (Wp4rQ)
Then buzzion should have had the intellectual honesty to write something like, "some guy who basically thinks that ..." instead of trying to quote it and make it appear as if they were Akin's words. buzzion has a bug up his ass about this and is pulling out all the stops to push his idiocy. He can't just be honest about it and make his argument like a mensch. I guess he thinks his argument isn't strong enough ... or, as buzzion would write, "My argument isn't strong enough to make it without attributing fake quotes."
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 06:46 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:47 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: entropy at August 21, 2012 06:48 PM (Ci0JG)
I think the MO repubs will try to convince Akin to leave by this weekend, while the national repubs will cut off all funding, take name of any of Akin's consultants promising they would be frozen from any future jobs. And if within a weekend its obvious this nut job won't budge, get Ashcroft, a soda can a ham sandwich and get superpacs to run against Mccakill. My sense is that MO residents still has not been saturated by the full extent of what Akin has said, when it does, it will be easier for the MO repubs and national repubs to completely freeze him out.
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 21, 2012 06:49 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 10:46 PM (X3lox)
How do you feel that Akin aborted 75% of your defending him today on Hannity numbnuts? Still think its a good idea to act like a democrat and pretend that he didn't actually say it because you want to ignore it? Why is it that you want to be just like the supporters of Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Dick Blumenthal, and Barack Obama?
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2012 06:49 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:51 PM (dZQh7)
I think we'll win Florida's Senate seat, but VA and Ohio will probably stay in Democrat hands. I see Romney winning both states, but I doubt either will be in blowout territory. I have this fantasy though where Virginia looks close, but Romney wins by 7 points and pulls Allen across the finish line.
I've written off Missouri and am not counting on it, but I still think there's a good chance a write in campaign may force Akin off. It's definitely worth a shot, especially if you can find a big name. The worst mistake Republicans would make is trying to salvage the seat with Akin, that's not going to fly.
Keep in mind, if it wasn't for SoCon idiots, between this election and the last, we'd have a comfortable majority in the Senate.
Thank you, Christine O'Donnell, Ken Buck, Sharon Angle, and now Akin. none of these clown lost because they were too severe about "legitimate" fiscal issues.
Posted by: Jalopy at August 21, 2012 06:52 PM (XDRsa)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:53 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 21, 2012 10:14 PM (/COnL)
And yet, it is true. See, here's the problem. This guy blurts uncomfortable things, sometimes very clumsily, so clumsily that it obscures whatever truth he was aiming to communicate, and it infuriates his natural allies that he does this. If Dennis Miller had said, "There are great people, a songwriter from Missouri and others, who are products of rape.", we'd all laugh with him, and not at him, but it wouldn't make the statement any less true.
Sure, Akin has mangled the delivery (no pun intended) of socon/prolife tenets to the delight of faithless enemies, but the more they dig for Akin gold, the more liable they are to unwittingly paint a more sympathetic picture of the guy, at least to those whom we need to vote for him. And the stone cold fact is that he's in the breech (again, no pun intended), he got there legally, and the only way to get him out is to pull the trigger.
The GOP had best figure out how to take their best shot with what they've got, and try to turn this gun back on McCaskill. Push back on all the crap the left dredges up, because as some have noted above, the left may come after all the socon/prolifers with this line of attack. I hope the other potential targets are brushing up on their moral jujitsu right now.
All this talk of protocol, right-of-succession, pick-up-the-toys-and-go-home hoodoo needs to end. The guy is staying put, so deal with it. The Dems do.
Posted by: 66chevelle at August 21, 2012 06:54 PM (QjSgY)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:55 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:56 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 21, 2012 06:57 PM (JMmQ9)
His original statement was that pregnancy from rape was "rare", not "impossible".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 06:57 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: entropy at August 21, 2012 06:57 PM (Ci0JG)
The GOP just needs to get rid of the socons. They only cause problems. Just get them out of the party.
Posted by: SH at August 21, 2012 06:58 PM (2XIvU)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 06:58 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2012 10:57 PM (X3lox)
And then on Hannity today he said he's learned over the past two days that yes you can get pregnant from rape. So that means he just admitted that until August 19th 2012, he really did believe that you could not get pregnant from rape.
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2012 06:59 PM (GULKT)
In a communist state, the true believers wind up getting killed within a couple decades, so you always wind up with cynical people in power. That said, you could still wind up with North Korea.
Posted by: AD at August 21, 2012 06:59 PM (sefrH)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 07:00 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 07:01 PM (dZQh7)
sure they do as in "a majority of the Caliphate's existence"....
theocratic regimes are cyclic just like everything else, and peole like money and eating, and vice....
the problem is flawed as the west is it is the best on record we've ever had it...
Posted by: sven10077 at August 21, 2012 07:01 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: entropy at August 21, 2012 07:01 PM (Ci0JG)
Anyone remember college statistics? I'm pretty sure that the odds of getting to 5 seats with these odds are higher than 50/50.
(1 * .99 * .9 * .75 * .6) = .40
(1 * .99 * .9 * .75 * .5) = .33
(1 * .99 * .9 * .75 * .4) = .26
(1 * .99 * .9 * .75 * .35) = .23
(1 * .99 * .9 * .75 * .25) = .16
(1 * .99 * .9 * .75 * .1) = .06
(1 * .99 * .9 * .75 * .1) = .06
(1 * .99 * .9 * .75 * .1) = .06
Sum = 1.56
Instinctively, I know the odds aren't over 100% but I can't remember how to get to the right odds.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 21, 2012 07:03 PM (dX4hn)
Posted by: entropy at August 21, 2012 07:04 PM (Ci0JG)
"100% Nebraska, 99% Wisconsin, 90% Montana, 75% North Dakota, 60% Virginia, 50% Florida, 40% New Mexico/Ohio, 35% Hawaii/Missouri, 25% Michigan, <10% Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Connecticut."
With these probabilities, even giving PA, NJ, and CT 0% gives a 98.9% chance of at least 50 seats. Feel better?
Posted by: Optimizer at August 21, 2012 07:06 PM (As94z)
Posted by: sybilll at August 21, 2012 07:07 PM (gUZhL)
Posted by: sexypig at August 21, 2012 07:08 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: cynder ella at August 21, 2012 07:13 PM (oZfic)
Dude, I instead think you oughta be asking yourself what it is that would put buzzion and me -- our history of smacking each other upside the head in genuine anger around here dates back half a decade -- on the exact same friggin' page in terms of our attitude about Akin. Again, it's like when Mark Levin and David Frum are singing from the same choirbook: if you can unify people across the board like that, then anybody caught out should start wondering what it is they're missing.
And FWIW I didn't think buzzion was being unfair. Akin basically DID say that. Everyone HEARD that -- and rightfully so, given what he's gone on to say -- so it's actually splitting hairs to argue that, hey, if we just parse his exact wording a bit here, we can get something slightly more acceptable out of it.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 21, 2012 07:17 PM (/COnL)
"Is this like when the King of England said "will no one rid me of this man" about the bishop of Canterbury?"
Right now, its more like Todd "Taylor Grey Meyer" Akin and the GOPadres. The ball is in Reince's court.
Posted by: 66chevelle at August 21, 2012 07:18 PM (QjSgY)
I mean, Democrats could not have genetically engineered a more perfect look for the stereotypical SoCon. It's so easy seeing him screaming at rape victim that they had it coming because they dressed slutty.
You can tell these people are wired this way just by looking at them, take Santorum for instance. Just one look tells you he's WAAAY to into obsessing over issues regarding sexual morality and uteruses.
Posted by: Jalopy at August 21, 2012 07:39 PM (XDRsa)
Posted by: JParker at August 21, 2012 07:56 PM (8HhF2)
Posted by: JParker at August 21, 2012 07:58 PM (8HhF2)
I agree that Akin should drop out, but the vitriol against social cons, particularly here, does not endere me to Romney or any other fiscal con shit sandwich I'm forced to swallow.
Isn't there a way to express disagreement within our party without being as ugly as Democrats?
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at August 21, 2012 08:20 PM (aPkU9)
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Posted by: navycopjoe (looking for that sweet sweet dem cash) at August 21, 2012 08:32 PM (Shrag)
Draft Kit Bond out of retirement to save the world. Or something like that. Posted by: TJexcite at August 21, 2012 08:43 PM (PNDql)
Draft Tony LaRusso! He'll win St. Louis!
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