December 05, 2012
— Ace But we're not supposed to say Obama's a socialist. That's crazy.
Here's video of Charlie Rose and Norah O'Donnell talking about this awesome new word. Norah's spin is that people were looking up "socialist" to confirm that Obama isn't one.
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Posted by: maddogg at December 05, 2012 07:53 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: dananjcon at December 05, 2012 07:54 AM (jvd3N)
Remember repitition is not always bad.
The inherent vice of Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
Posted by: polynikes at December 05, 2012 07:57 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Arcadehero at December 05, 2012 07:57 AM (zt7SE)
Posted by: baldilocks via iPad at December 05, 2012 07:58 AM (Su0W2)
Posted by: beach at December 05, 2012 07:59 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 05, 2012 07:59 AM (RuUvx)
Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2012 08:00 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:00 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 05, 2012 08:00 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 05, 2012 08:00 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Ian S. at December 05, 2012 08:01 AM (B/VB5)
Also Rapscallion, but that's not important right now.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 05, 2012 12:00 PM (QupBk)
On the contrary my dear boy, it is of the utmost importance that you explain your pontifications
Posted by: Overly wordy person at December 05, 2012 08:01 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: SFGoth at December 05, 2012 08:01 AM (dZ756)
Posted by: joncelli at December 05, 2012 08:02 AM (CWlPF)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 08:02 AM (HDgX3)
144,000
Out of, what? 37 million or so?
If you haven't already read The Future, you should pick up a copy. I think it's listed under "Atlas Shrugged" on Amazon.
Protip: Don't ride on none of those highspeed trains.
Posted by: entropy at December 05, 2012 08:02 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Ian S. at December 05, 2012 12:01 PM (B/VB5)
I have never been to this hedonistic establishment known as COSTCO, but it sounds as if the prices would be exorbitant.
Posted by: Overly wordy person at December 05, 2012 08:03 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 05, 2012 08:03 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Olaf at December 05, 2012 08:03 AM (t1NLo)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 12:02 PM (HDgX3)
Obliteration would be a more apt term for that era
Posted by: Overly wordy person at December 05, 2012 08:03 AM (uFY4s)
Get used to it: We are now where Europe was 30 years ago.
That's not true.
We will be where Europe is going around the time they get there.
We ain't got 30 years until we look like Europe today. That was called Yesterday.
Posted by: entropy at December 05, 2012 08:04 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: joncelli at December 05, 2012 08:04 AM (CWlPF)
Posted by: Olaf at December 05, 2012 12:03 PM (t1NLo)
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It pains me to know I share the same air with someone as mentally deficient as you.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 08:04 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: IBT at December 05, 2012 08:04 AM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 05, 2012 08:04 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Olaf at December 05, 2012 08:05 AM (t1NLo)
I always had this impression that in the USSR, if you refused to work, you didn't get Free Shit...you got shot.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 05, 2012 08:05 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:05 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Golan Globus at December 05, 2012 08:05 AM (/1U3u)
And they didn't just vote for a socialist?
They don't understand that even the socialism in europe is funded by capitalism.
Posted by: Dang at December 05, 2012 08:05 AM (R18D0)
In related news, Obama is consulting with Rachel Maddox and Al Sharpton on taxation policy so you know that's going to be good.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 05, 2012 08:05 AM (Hx5uv)
And the word "terrorism" was extremely popular right after 9/11. Doesn't
mean terrorism became popular or fashionable in the USA.
Posted by: Olaf at December 05, 2012 12:03 PM (t1NLo)
_____________________________________________________
It pains me to know I share the same air with someone as mentally deficient as you.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 12:04 PM (HDgX3)
It shall pain you far more to know that part of you was most likely once part of Obama's dandruff
Posted by: Overly wordy person at December 05, 2012 08:05 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2012 08:05 AM (wweov)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 08:06 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: IBT at December 05, 2012 08:06 AM (2t6Gz)
BTW, I hate the term "socialism" as defined by today's liberals who do not like the use of the term "communism" because of the 50 era Soviet Union bad PR. And guess what, liberals write the dictionaries and almost all other books.
The one who originated both terms was Karl Marx. Socialism is an intermediate step in the trip to Marx's supposed utopia of communism.
The US is, and has been a socialist State since the 30s when FDR started implementing his socialist programs. SS is socialsim, labor laws are socialism. Virtually every government program there is ow is socialism.
We are ow working towards the "Communist Utopia" envisioned by Marx now. When the US started getting rid of private property we started marching on the road to communism. We started that in the 60s and are now well on the way.
Obama is putting the cap on it now. He is nationalizing industries as we speak. The press just will not use that term.
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 08:06 AM (YdQQY)
15 I resolve to use the word Socialism at least 5 times a week in casual conversation this year.
Also Rapscallion, but that's not important right now.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 05, 2012 12:00 PM (QupBk)
Same here except my additional word was Misanthrope which seems appropriate.
Posted by: polynikes at December 05, 2012 08:06 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 05, 2012 08:06 AM (GFM2b)
Could more than 53% of oh, just to select a city at random, Parisians could read in the 1980s.
Zimbabwe.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 05, 2012 08:07 AM (/kI1Q)
Well sure you are buddy. The shame is that you will be lauded by your peers for doing it.
An IL House rep was caught at a Socialist group gathering a couple of years ago (also by Breitbart) accepting an award.
The Enemy is within and doesn't care if we know now.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 05, 2012 08:07 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 05, 2012 08:07 AM (e/Cti)
Accept the pudding, Norah.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 05, 2012 08:07 AM (QGyiB)
Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2012 08:08 AM (wweov)
First, we weren't supposed to call him a socialist at all. They even claimed it was racist. Yet immediately after his election, Newsweek had the "We are all socialists now" cover.
Second, Americans boarded the socialist train at exactly the wrong time. Socialism is dying in Europe and can't sustain itself. Even the anemic growth isn't sustainable.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 05, 2012 08:08 AM (T0NGe)
All hail IgnoreUsers@AoSHQ.[/i]
That shit is ridiculous. Talk about epistemic closure. You can't even just ignore the people you want to ignore, you need a filter to make pretend like they don't exist?
Posted by: entropy at December 05, 2012 08:08 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: logprof at December 05, 2012 08:08 AM (gBuIk)
I read it on the Internet, so it must be true!
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:09 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 05, 2012 08:09 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: logprof at December 05, 2012 12:08 PM (gBuIk)
Don't forget tubgirl
Posted by: Overly wordy person at December 05, 2012 08:10 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart
Hmm...
Posted by: Dang at December 05, 2012 08:10 AM (R18D0)
Okay, first: WTF does that even mean?
Second: Day After Tomorrow.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:10 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: marcus at December 05, 2012 08:11 AM (GGCsk)
The very next sentence will be "Besides, what's wrong with Socialism?" Every single time.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 05, 2012 08:11 AM (SY2Kh)
Why, exactly, is the disease (the fiscal cliff) worse than any of the proposed cures?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:12 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: IBT at December 05, 2012 08:12 AM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:13 AM (5DR1j)
I did in 1989. And they came looking for me back then, asking why I wasn't paying my state income tax. I asked them "Where did you find me?" Then they had the unmitigated gall to as if I was ever coming back.
Posted by: Paladin at December 05, 2012 08:13 AM (ycm4Q)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 05, 2012 08:13 AM (QupBk)
47 A piece at Breitbart talks about a Chicago Teachers Union leader caught at a Marxist Conference, giving a speech to them. He denied giving a speech but did admit being there as "I'm allowed to".
Well sure you are buddy. The shame is that you will be lauded by your peers for doing it.
An IL House rep was caught at a Socialist group gathering a couple of years ago (also by Breitbart) accepting an award.
The Enemy is within and doesn't care if we know now.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 05, 2012 12:07 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Senator Joe McCarthy at December 05, 2012 08:13 AM (cv5Iw)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart
Where you going and what time?
Posted by: Dang at December 05, 2012 08:14 AM (R18D0)
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I don't know. I suggest maybe Edvard Munch's the Scream or Pablo Picasso's Guernica. I told here the expression "wolf at the door" was a reference to poverty-induced hunger so anything representing hunger, such as the Great Depression, the Holocaust, or the Holodomor, might be appropriate.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 05, 2012 08:14 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart
Where you going and what time?
Posted by: Dang at December 05, 2012 12:14 PM (R18D0)
Don't, its a trap!!!
Posted by: Overly stupid moron at December 05, 2012 08:14 AM (uFY4s)
I can see that, most of them are still living with or off of their parents. The concept of income going towards food, shelter, and transportation rather than toys and nightclubs hasn't sunk in
They'll be paying for it, so let them have it. Don't want to hear them whine when they have to pay for my social security though
Posted by: kbdabear at December 05, 2012 08:15 AM (wwsoB)
I can't wait till they start.
Even Miss Oprah says she counts the days she stays at her Montecito ranch so she doesn't get taxed as a resident.
Posted by: PJ at December 05, 2012 08:16 AM (ZWaLo)
It's not, we should go over the cliff, but this is the grand bargain that Bohner worked out so he could get to this crisis that needs to be solved with a grand bargain which will get us to the next crisis which...
Once you understand that the GOP establishment and the Donk establishment are working together to achieve the same objective all will become clear.
ITS ALL A FARCE, ALL OF IT!
It's turtles all the way down!!
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 05, 2012 08:16 AM (RrD4h)
Posted by: thunderb at December 05, 2012 08:16 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 08:16 AM (HDgX3)
This old Soviet joke "We Pretend to Work and They Pretend to Pay Us" indicates that they only shot you if you didn't play the game.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 05, 2012 08:16 AM (tf9Ne)
Haven't decided, yet. On either of those questions.
There's a Whataburger just south of Spring Creek, I think. I could go for that. I don't have a big budget for lunch, but eating alone is getting boring.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:16 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: marcus at December 05, 2012 08:16 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Dang at December 05, 2012 12:14 PM (R18D0)
Don't, its a trap!!!
Posted by: Overly stupid moron
Crap. Too late. Anyone know how to get out zip ties?
Posted by: Dang- sent from my pretend iPhone at December 05, 2012 08:16 AM (R18D0)
Posted by: maddogg at December 05, 2012 08:16 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 05, 2012 08:16 AM (GFM2b)
I can't wait till they start.
Even Miss Oprah says she counts the days she stays at her Montecito ranch so she doesn't get taxed as a resident.
Posted by: PJ at December 05, 2012 12:16 PM (ZWaLo)
100 days and you are a citizen of the state. Makes me wonder if you never stay in any state for very long, which one taxes you?
Posted by: Overly stupid moron at December 05, 2012 08:17 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: IBT at December 05, 2012 08:17 AM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: Ian S. at December 05, 2012 08:17 AM (B/VB5)
Neo-marxism ignores the "working" part of "working class".
Now it's all about people getting what they think they're owed.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 05, 2012 08:17 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2012 08:18 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart
They're out of business. There's a Five Guys burgers just east of there.
Posted by: Dang- sent from my pretend iPhone at December 05, 2012 08:18 AM (R18D0)
OT
Just had my office Christmas potluck luncheon. There's a lady co-worker who I find absolutely stunning in beauty. She's Egyptian Christian (Coptic?) and she's built like she's straight out of a comic book. Long dark hair, olive skin, and a face you can lose yourself in. (Who's Kate Upton?) 4000 years ago, she'd be fucking Pharaohs and launching fleets. Her contribution to today's potluck was......not shitting you.....cake.
Red velvet cake.
Homemade.
Yeah...
Gonna get some more cake now.
Posted by: EC at December 05, 2012 08:18 AM (GQ8sn)
Haven't decided, yet. On either of those questions.
There's a Whataburger just south of Spring Creek, I think. I could go for that. I don't have a big budget for lunch, but eating alone is getting boring.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 12:16 PM (5DR1j)
I knew a guy who never understood that name until one day he blurted out in the Car
"WHAT A BURGER" I GET IT
Posted by: Overly stupid moron at December 05, 2012 08:18 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 05, 2012 08:19 AM (QupBk)
Photos of Michelle Obama's school lunches.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 05, 2012 08:19 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 05, 2012 08:19 AM (g2ldK)
I'm really only using it for those few commenters that have repeatedly proven that they have nothing whatsoever to contribute to a rational discussion
I suppose theoretically, it could be used responsibly.
I still hate the idea of it. The temptation is too great and getting carried away is too easy.
Posted by: entropy at December 05, 2012 08:19 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2012 08:21 AM (I2LwF)
Homemade.
Go on.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 05, 2012 12:19 PM (QupBk)
Three words
WHITE CHOCOLATE FOUNTAIN
Posted by: Overly stupid moron at December 05, 2012 08:21 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Dang- sent from my pretend iPhone at December 05, 2012 08:21 AM (R18D0)
Yeah, gonna be hard to do that.
"Ok, now hold your cake toward the camera...yeah that's it....now smile and gimme a wink....oh yeeeaahhh...."
Posted by: EC at December 05, 2012 08:21 AM (GQ8sn)
Nope. They just moved to the South Bound service road, and a little further south. Was there just a couple weeks ago.
Not a huge fan of 5 Guys. They're alright, but nothing to write home about. For a completely different type of food, how do you feel about Free Birds (Campbell, just W of 75)?
Better yet, email me (dedicatedtenther at gmail), so we don't clutter up this oh so scintillating thread.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:21 AM (5DR1j)
100 days and you are a citizen of the state. Makes me wonder if you never stay in any state for very long, which one taxes you?
Hmm, I think I have a good tax avoidance strategy: buy an RV and drive in circles around the Four Corners area all year long. Three months here, three months there...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 05, 2012 08:22 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:23 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at December 05, 2012 08:23 AM (Dll6b)
How about just moving to Texas or Florida?
Posted by: EC at December 05, 2012 08:23 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: IBT at December 05, 2012 08:23 AM (2t6Gz)
101 Anybody here still not ignoring me?
Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2012 12:21 PM (I2LwF)
I still give your stuff a glance as I'm scrolling by.
Yeah, gonna be hard to do that.
"Ok, now hold your cake toward the camera...yeah that's it....now smile and gimme a wink....oh yeeeaahhh...."
Posted by: EC at December 05, 2012 12:21 PM (GQ8sn)
Seems like you got the idea to me....
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 05, 2012 08:23 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2012 08:23 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Overly stupid moron at December 05, 2012 08:23 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Jmel at December 05, 2012 08:23 AM (9tSXa)
Posted by: Cricket at December 05, 2012 08:24 AM (DrC22)
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Damn! I should've chosen the other pill.
Posted by: Neo from the Matrix at December 05, 2012 08:24 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Unattorney at December 05, 2012 08:25 AM (T1yys)
Posted by: Bob Costas at December 05, 2012 08:25 AM (gBuIk)
but this is the grand bargain that Bohner worked out so he could get to this crisis that needs to be solved with a grand bargain which will get us to the next crisis which...
will require a grand bargain to get us to the next crisis which will require a grand bargain to get us to the next crisis which will require a grand bargain to get us to the next crisis which will require a grand bargain to get us to the next crisis which will require a grand bargain to get us to the next crisis which will require a grand bargain to get us to the next crisis.
Posted by: entropy at December 05, 2012 08:25 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 05, 2012 08:25 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 05, 2012 08:25 AM (e/Cti)
You have two cows.
Communism- The Government takes them and gives you a ration of the milk.
Socialism- The Government takes them and sells you a ration of the milk.
Fascism- The Government takes them and shoots you.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:25 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 05, 2012 08:25 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 05, 2012 08:26 AM (ccXZP)
if I get the clap, you all get the clap. Olaf gets it in his Read Door, mouth, and both ears
Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at December 05, 2012 08:26 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: beach at December 05, 2012 08:26 AM (LpQbZ)
*smoochies*
I grok the concept of the Corbet, but it's not really my style.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 05, 2012 08:26 AM (/kI1Q)
Communism- The Government takes them and gives you a ration of the milk.
Socialism- The Government takes them and sells you a ration of the milk.
Fascism- The Government takes them and shoots you.
Capitalism- You sell one of the cows and buy a bull.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 05, 2012 08:27 AM (SY2Kh)
there is no alcohol in the four corners. Its an indian reservation
Shazbot! Foiled again.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 05, 2012 12:25 PM (yiIja)
Its the Largest outside of Alaska actually.
Posted by: Overly stupid moron at December 05, 2012 08:27 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: logprof at December 05, 2012 08:27 AM (gBuIk)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 05, 2012 08:28 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2012 08:28 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: beach at December 05, 2012 08:28 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart
**
I always associate 96oz steaks with Texas....I don't why.
Posted by: dananjcon at December 05, 2012 08:28 AM (jvd3N)
Posted by: logprof at December 05, 2012 08:28 AM (gBuIk)
Then God dammit, Obama is a socialist. I'm sick of being the nice guy, next time at my hyper-liberal in-laws i'm just going to come out and say Obama is a fucking socialist and wants to put conservatives in concentration camps. Because making shit up is apparently the way to win elections now.
LET IT BURN!!!!!
Posted by: Cashin at December 05, 2012 08:28 AM (TYEu4)
And, I think you cannot use credit cards to pay, only cash/debit cards. I know this is how it is in Canada.
They will take Amex but no others. Here anyway.
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at December 05, 2012 08:29 AM (BrQrN)
I'm hungry. Any DFW Morons near 75 the Bush, and want to go to lunch?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart
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I always associate 96oz steaks with Texas....I don't why.
96oz :O
Posted by: Overly stupid moron at December 05, 2012 08:29 AM (uFY4s)
The U.S. government now controls:
90% of home mortgage lending
90% of college student lending
About 40% of auto lending (most people do not realize that the U.S. owns 75% of Ally Bank, formerly known as GMAC, which has the lion's share of the consumer auto lending market and about 80% of the dealer market, which finances the dealers' purchases of cars from the factory)
These are the only three things for which most people will ever borrow money.
But noooo, we're not a socalist country.
Posted by: rockmom at December 05, 2012 08:29 AM (NYnoe)
Posted by: RWC at December 05, 2012 08:30 AM (fWAjv)
But, you can use your credit card to buy the membership, of course.
Low overhead, high prices.
Posted by: beach at December 05, 2012 12:26 PM (LpQbZ)
That used to be the policy at the BJ's/Sam's Club/Costco by me but I know the first two now accept CC.
Never, and i mean never, put the words sam club and costco in the same sentence or face my moronic WRATH
Posted by: Overly stupid moron at December 05, 2012 08:31 AM (uFY4s)
--I bet if you drive around Cumberland Gap and rotate among three states (VA/TN/KY) there's plenty of booze there.
No shit. I'm sure I'll run into more than one cousin. Hell, I might even run into Tickle from the Moonshiners TeeVeelision show.
That guy is a hoot and a holler.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 05, 2012 08:31 AM (yiIja)
Nazis = Socialist
Commies = Socialist
Progressives = Socialist
In just the past 100 years, can someone come up with the total civilian body count caused or experienced under socialist regimes.
How about military dead?
Posted by: Prescient11 at December 05, 2012 08:31 AM (tVTLU)
Socialism- The Government takes them and sells you a ration of the milk.
Fascism- The Government takes them and shoots you.
Capitalism- You sell one of the cows and buy a bull.
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Obamunism. The government takes both cows and gives them to minorities as reparations.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 05, 2012 08:31 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Jmel at December 05, 2012 12:23 PM (9tSXa)
Fascism is a term invented by the Germans in the 30s to differentiate themselves from the Marxists in Russia. They hated the Russians with a passion and needed something to separate them. Read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. Very good explanation of the history.
http://is.gd/ecYBpM
But under today's lights most conservatives define "Fascism" as a trend by the government to take over industry not by nationalizing it, but by regulating every aspect of its operation. The owners may still own it but they have no say-so on how it is run. It is defacto nationalization.
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 08:32 AM (YdQQY)
Commies = Socialist
Progressives = Socialist
In just the past 100 years, can someone come up with the total civilian body count caused or experienced under socialist regimes.
How about military dead?
Posted by: Prescient11 at December 05, 2012 12:31 PM (tVTLU)
150 million without Rachel Carson
700 million with Rachel Carson
Posted by: Overly stupid moron at December 05, 2012 08:32 AM (uFY4s)
Then
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 05, 2012 08:32 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at December 05, 2012 08:32 AM (1hM1d)
Socialism- The Government takes them and sells you a ration of the milk.
Fascism- The Government takes them and shoots you.
Capitalism- You sell one of the cows and buy a bull.
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Obamunism. The government takes both cows and gives them to minorities as reparations.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 05, 2012 12:31 PM (Hx5uv)
Who then pawn the cows for hookers and booze
Posted by: Overly stupid moron at December 05, 2012 08:33 AM (uFY4s)
After this most recent election, I am expecting them to sell millions.
http://ars.to/TIUJag
Posted by: ElKomandante at December 05, 2012 08:33 AM (e23o2)
So I googled the lovely Egyptian princess, and I found a bunch of videos of her bellydancing with her friends. She's got them public and everything. Holy shit! This is fucking awesome!!!
Posted by: EC at December 05, 2012 08:33 AM (GQ8sn)
Are you sure it's not a 2 cows one bucket pron video?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 05, 2012 08:33 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: beach at December 05, 2012 08:33 AM (LpQbZ)
In just the past 100 years, can someone come up with the total civilian body count caused or experienced under socialist regimes.
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You could but then I'd have to kill you.
'Bama's pal Bill Ayers was willing to sacrifice twenty-five million American lives to fundamentally transform America.
Posted by: Socialist Dogooder at December 05, 2012 08:34 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: OVerly stupid chemist at December 05, 2012 08:35 AM (uFY4s)
A still of those i-phone hipster douches from the Samsung commercials.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:35 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2012 08:35 AM (I2LwF)
So I googled the lovely Egyptian princess, and I found a bunch of videos of her bellydancing with her friends. She's got them public and everything. Holy shit! This is fucking awesome!!!
Uhhh...do I really need to ask?
Posted by: Every Single Moron at December 05, 2012 08:36 AM (BrQrN)
90% of home mortgage lending
90% of college student lending
About 40% of auto lending <snip>
rockmom, those are some mighty inconvenient facts you are throwing out there. You just got moved up to 'first bus' status in The Great Conservative Roundup Control Act Of 2013.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 05, 2012 08:36 AM (ccXZP)
#141 I am already getting physically sick thinking about a family get-together that is happening in January. My limousine-liberal Obama fangirl SIL is hosting it at her luxury 5-bedroom ski house at Stowe. I had to de-friend her on Facebook after the election because if the sickening crap she was posting about "My Awesome President." Even worse, she was jumping up and down about Elizabeth Warren winning, and when I told her, congratulations, you now have two useless socialist Senators who want to be President and don't give a crap about you, she went into orbit.
If I say that Obama is a socialist in this crowd, I'll get hammered. One BIL is actually sane and conservative, but at Thanksgiving the rest of the fam was dumping all over him for buying a gun and joining a Tea Party group.
But the husband always tells me I am the one that needs to shut up and put away the politics at family gatherings.
Posted by: rockmom at December 05, 2012 08:36 AM (NYnoe)
Posted by: DanInMN at December 05, 2012 08:37 AM (XqeyF)
Posted by: IBT at December 05, 2012 08:37 AM (2t6Gz)
You have two cows.
Communism- The Government takes them and gives you a ration of the milk.
Socialism- The Government taxes the hell out of the milk them and gives it to government bureaucrats, cronies, and their supporters.
Fascism- The Government makes you take care of the cows, but tells you how you will do that in every aspect of the operation. The taxes the hell out of and gives it to government bosses.
The US is currently about 15% Communist, and 50-50 Fascist/Socialist. It adds up to more than 100% because the Fascism and Socialism overlap.
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 08:38 AM (YdQQY)
NAME PLZ
Posted by: ElKomandante at December 05, 2012 08:38 AM (e23o2)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 05, 2012 12:22 PM (yiIja)
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I know a couple that do that. Their "residence" is S. Dakota which has no income tax. The RV and their car is also registered there since registration is nothing in the state. They spend 1/2 the year traveling in the RV and the other 1/2 at their mini-palace of a house in New Mexico. And yet somehow they are S. Dakota residents for tax purposes. Knowing these two, I'm sure what they do is 100% legit. But it's kind of messed up when they spend practically no time in the state where they are "residents".
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 08:38 AM (HDgX3)
That's not true.
We will be where Europe is going around the time they get there.
We ain't got30 years until we look like Europe today. That was called Yesterday.
Especially not true. 30 years ago Europe had the United States subsidizing their national defense via NATO. Name the country that subsidizing ours (and don't say China, they're loaning us the $)?
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 05, 2012 08:38 AM (kqqGm)
Here's video of Charlie Rose and Norah O'Donnell talking about this awesome new word Norah's spin is that people were looking up "socialist" to confirm that Obama isn't one.
Between the poor reading comprehension skillz and non-critical thinking that's taught in the skrewls and the twisting of the language by the Prog/Coms in the MFM, I'd guess there are precious few who would understand what that word really means any more.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 05, 2012 08:39 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2012 08:39 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 08:39 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 05, 2012 08:40 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 05, 2012 08:41 AM (piMMO)
The grandparents who raised him were Marxists.
Obama's mentors were Marxists.
All of his buddies were (and still are) Marxists.
Are we to believe this is merely guilt by association?
Not buyin' it.
Posted by: wisenheimer at December 05, 2012 08:41 AM (eYx/w)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:41 AM (5DR1j)
90% of home mortgage lending
90% of college student lending
About 40% of auto lending <snip>
Not true; the government "controls" 100% of all of those through either outright ownership of the program as in college lending or through regulating them to death.
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 08:41 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 05, 2012 08:42 AM (piMMO)
“Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm.”
― Winston Churchill
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 05, 2012 08:42 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: RWC at December 05, 2012 08:43 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 08:44 AM (YdQQY)
Upwards of 100 million in the 20th century.
Posted by: wisenheimer at December 05, 2012 08:44 AM (eYx/w)
90% of home mortgage lending
90% of college student lending
About 40% of auto lending
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I agree with student loans. But car/home is not really accurate. The govt backs loans, but that's not the same as saying they control it. They're an insurance company more than anything else. They make no profit off of lending, they just pay when people fuck up.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 08:44 AM (HDgX3)
*sigh* Left Hot Air to get a little less BS.
Posted by: MadisonConservative at December 05, 2012 08:45 AM (Y/HG5)
John Roberts Capitalism -- You have to have 2 cows, or pay a tax.
...and your veterinary bill skyrockets because the cows get better health care than you do.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 05, 2012 08:45 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: DANEgerus at December 05, 2012 08:45 AM (e3/KR)
I really thought about using that word.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 05, 2012 08:45 AM (kqqGm)
Ask someone here involved in the banking industry abut regulations. Especially since they passed that last little POS.
If you don't think the government doesn't control all banking and loaning industry in this country you are very ill-informed.
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 08:46 AM (YdQQY)
Hahahahaha...
wait. You weren't kidding?
You do realize that, until the passage of ObamaCare, Banking was the most regulated industry in the nation, and that even after the passage of that abominable monstrosity, it's a close thing?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:46 AM (5DR1j)
The very next sentence will be "Besides, what's wrong with Socialism?" Every single time.
That's when I would love to point a gun at their head and say "Nothing. I'm from State Central Planning and you have been deemed to be un-needed".
And then watch their squeakhole relax uncontrollably. Good times.
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 05, 2012 12:16 PM (GFM2b)"
These useful idiots just don't understand how freaking arbitrary socialist systems are in practice. It's not as if the evidence for that doesn't exist, either. They seem to think it's going to be in practice as it is in theory. At the same time, they'll swear to you that there are no real Christians because no one puts true Christianity into practice. Well, there are no real socialists, either. Give a socialist a little power and they will abuse it.
For all of their ranting about marketing being a giant waste only necessary in a capitalist society, the Left sure does market itself exceedingly well. This resurgence of socialism is beyond stupid, yet here we are. It's like Ford trying to bring back the Pinto and succeeding.
Posted by: BS Inc. at December 05, 2012 08:46 AM (FFwP9)
Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 05, 2012 08:47 AM (epWQP)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at December 05, 2012 08:47 AM (Lxw+T)
Posted by: maddogg at December 05, 2012 08:47 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse
Yup. Liberation theology.
Posted by: wisenheimer at December 05, 2012 08:47 AM (eYx/w)
The nuclear industry is the MOST regulated, but Banking is up there.
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 08:48 AM (YdQQY)
"198Fuck this country. Seriously. Fuck this version of America. Will be easier to pick up the pieces than fix this piece of shit. "
Barry has been fulfiling that wish for 4 years now, but he said himself he still has a lot of work to do. Good thing he is a lazy git.
Posted by: zombie Nicole Simpson at December 05, 2012 08:48 AM (f+TdG)
Posted by: Accuracy at December 05, 2012 08:48 AM (5DR1j)
The only real new buyer of our debt is the Fed. It's a straight up monetization of the new debt, which as we all know amounts to a fresh trillion + every year.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 05, 2012 08:48 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Clemenza at December 05, 2012 08:49 AM (Q8Pu5)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at December 05, 2012 08:49 AM (Lxw+T)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 05, 2012 08:49 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 08:50 AM (YdQQY)
It may depend on your definition of "most." I know that the nuclear industry has some high hurdles to clear, but I think, at least from a number of regulations/rules/etc., Banks have nukes beat.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:50 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: beach at December 05, 2012 08:50 AM (LpQbZ)
Marxist, Fascist, Socialist, eh, he is, he will never admit to it. Until some time later when it doesn't matter.
Even that idiot that wrote that lying lie of a book a people's history of the U.S. didn't admit he was a communist until he was almost dead.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 05, 2012 08:50 AM (n/ubI)
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 12:46 PM (YdQQY)
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If I don't think the govt doesn't control banking, that means I think the govt controls banking. I think you added one extra negative in there 
Sure the govt regulates lending. But to say it controls it 100% is ridiculous. If that were the case, anyone anywhere could get any loan they wanted. Lenders still decide who gets a loan and who doesn't (for now anyway).
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 08:50 AM (HDgX3)
"Norah's spin is that people were looking up "socialist" to confirm that Obama isn't one."
That's as bad as Republicans believing their own hype during this last election.
The real question: What will those googling 'researchers' decide wrt socialism being a good thing...or not?
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at December 05, 2012 08:51 AM (WwR1j)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at December 05, 2012 08:51 AM (Lxw+T)
Posted by: MadisonConservative at December 05, 2012 12:45 PM (Y/HG5)
Welcome to the party, pal. I like your writing.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 05, 2012 08:52 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at December 05, 2012 08:52 AM (Lxw+T)
Not so. That would assume that the government wanted everyone to be able to get loans. However, if you look at people the government wants to get loans (mostly "the poor" and "minorities"), you'll find they're getting them (especially home loans and auto loans) at near 100%.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:52 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: IBT at December 05, 2012 08:52 AM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 05, 2012 08:52 AM (piMMO)
yeah and I bet you think repeal of Glass-Steagal and Republican laizesfaire caused the collapse too.
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 08:53 AM (YdQQY)
“[Dr. Wright] bent down and picked up the cross. He felt the weight dig into his shoulders. He placed the crown of thorns on his head. He started down the hard road, walked by the preachers and saints before him. The road walked by Martin and Malcolm. The road that still has the footprints of our Lord. He heard again the words of ridicule and derision, because the Romans were sore, sore afraid. … He embodies within him the power and the glory Satan cannot break. In the gospel of Matthew when Satan left Jesus … angels came to Jesus and anointed Jesus to preach the word of God. And that word tonight, in the preacher before us, lives and breathes, and so do the angels who stand by him.”
. . .
“The Romans, who Dr. Wright correctly reminds us were white — it was Jesus who was a person of color — don’t like preachers any more today than they did two-thousand years ago.”
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 05, 2012 08:53 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 05, 2012 12:52 PM (n/ubI)
China quit buying and started selling 2 years ago.
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 08:53 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 12:52 PM (5D
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Any data to back this up?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 08:53 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 12:53 PM (YdQQY)
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Yeah. That's EXACTLY what I said. <shakes head>
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 08:54 AM (HDgX3)
Not at my finger-tips, but it exists. That's what CRA was about, after all, and somehow in all the finger-pointing after the mortgage bubble burst, it was never repealed. And Dodd-Frank actually made it worse.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:55 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 05, 2012 08:55 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at December 05, 2012 08:55 AM (Lxw+T)
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 08:55 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: maddogg at December 05, 2012 08:56 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 08:56 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 12:55 PM (YdQQY)
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I agree there is too much regulation in banking(and everywhere). But I disagree that this means the govt **controls** lending.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 08:57 AM (HDgX3)
They get to decide only once they've lent enough to people of color who don't qualify.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 05, 2012 08:57 AM (tf9Ne)
Then ...DOOM
FIFY
Posted by: Paladin at December 05, 2012 08:57 AM (WujO7)
Posted by: BuddyPC at December 05, 2012 08:58 AM (jfUIE)
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Yeah, but they were just acting Roman.
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 05, 2012 08:58 AM (wDG5U)
Answer me this: does the US Government (whatever our opinion on the matter) have the power to tell Banks who to lend to, or at least how to weight their approval criteria?
If the answer to that is "yes," the the Government controls lending. The fact they do not exert full control does not mean they do not have full control.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 08:58 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 05, 2012 08:59 AM (yiIja)
See link in my sig.
China has actually decreased its holdings of U.S. debt over the past year, dropping from $1.31 trillion in June 2011 to $1.16 trillion a year later, according to the Treasury Department.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 05, 2012 08:59 AM (ccXZP)
Once you subject liberal programs to the criteria of public goods, you see that many of them fail to meet that criteria or meet it in ways that are reflective only of subjective preferences on the part of those staffing the various bureaucracies. The greatest success of Leftist propaganda over the past century has been in blurring these distinctions.
But, Republican candidates seem to lack the ability to talk about these distinctions coherently and so fall prey to the media swarm around terms like "socialism", which is too bad because there is a very rich philosophical discussion around these terms going back ages which can be used to rebut the idea that every policy the Left would like to enact is analogous to the government providing roads and bridges. At the very least, GOP candidates could say "We don't object to the government providing goods that everyone can use, what we object to is the government picking specific classes of citizens and providing things only they can use" and then go on to make the case that the first part of that sentence doesn't imply nationalization of industries because that would require violating people's right to private property and free association.
Posted by: BS Inc. at December 05, 2012 09:00 AM (FFwP9)
Young boys, OTOH...fuck away with their blessing.
Posted by: Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini at December 05, 2012 09:00 AM (/kI1Q)
Mortgage acceptance by race
http://diversitydata-archive.org/Data/Rankings/Show.aspx?ind=35
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 09:00 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Jason Whitlock at December 05, 2012 12:17 PM (gBuIk)
Big boned.
Posted by: E. Cartman at December 05, 2012 09:00 AM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: Jason Whitlock at December 05, 2012 12:17 PM (gBuIk)
Big boned.
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While "United States" just means boned.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 05, 2012 09:02 AM (Hx5uv)
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How many people, especially younger ones, think socialism is similar to social media? It's just being friendly, you know. People cooperating and sharing, stuff like that.
The right needs to start fighting the media and stop letting the left get away with hijacking terminology for their purposes. I'd love to see PACs underwrite public education ads.
Extraneous thought, if the GOP had any brains, they'd have someone keep close tabs on Bill Clinton over the next four years starting right now. Could potentially collect loads of useful pictures, financial dealings info, etc. to help fight Hillary in 2016.
Posted by: Mayday at December 05, 2012 09:03 AM (F3s39)
Posted by: Fritz at December 05, 2012 09:03 AM (/ZZCn)
Yes. For "Conventional Mortgages" which were expressly not to blame in the mortgage bubble. However, almost all of those people who failed to be approved for "conventional mortgages" were then approved for "sub-prime" mortgages.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 09:04 AM (5DR1j)
This from 2012
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0697.pdf
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 05, 2012 09:04 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: BuddyPC at December 05, 2012 09:04 AM (jfUIE)
If the answer to that is "yes," the the Government controls lending. The fact they do not exert full control does not mean they do not have full control.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 12:58 PM (5DR1j)
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Well using your criteria the govt sets speed limits. Therefore the govt controls driving habits. Therefore the govt controls when and where you can go. Therefore the govt controls your movement. Therefore we live in a dictatorship where the citizens are now allowed to move about freely.
Govt mandates cars have to have seat belts. Therefore the govt controls the auto industry. If regulating = control then yeah the govt controls 100% of everything if that's how you want to look at it.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 09:06 AM (HDgX3)
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This. Liberals win when people don't understand history and where things came from. I was talking to a Social Studies teacher the other day about her civics unit, which uses an NYT article to essentially say that conservatives like old policies whereas liberals are for freedom and progress. I asked if she went into the history of the labels, and I got this really funny look and a negative answer. So much for "critical thinking"...
If you don't teach people to "look under the hood", all you get are propaganda-swallowing yes-men.
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 05, 2012 09:07 AM (wDG5U)
Starve the Free Shit Army.
Posted by: wisenheimer who grows more livid every day at December 05, 2012 09:07 AM (eYx/w)
Posted by: JDTAY at December 05, 2012 09:07 AM (a0nis)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 05, 2012 09:08 AM (uPQOl)
He's pulling your chain, there is no Egyptian Princess. I googled Egyptain hootch belly dancer and go bupkis!
Posted by: Paladin at December 05, 2012 09:08 AM (WujO7)
Posted by: beach at December 05, 2012 09:08 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Mayday at December 05, 2012 01:03 PM (F3s39)"
Yeah, I think this has a lot of truth. I know when I was younger, that's how I thought of socialism. Turns out that in practice, it's not really that. Part of the problem is that young people generally haven't had any experience in making difficult decisions regarding scarce resources, which is what adult life and capitalism are about.
And as for the idea that it was the "wrong people" in charge, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that everyone in the leadership of the Russian Communist movement, even Stalin, was a fuck of a lot smarter than Obama and any of the dipshits who support him. The leadership of the kibbutz movement in Israel certainly were, as were the East Germans.
If they could not make it work, the US Left certainly can't.
Posted by: BS Inc. at December 05, 2012 09:08 AM (FFwP9)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 05, 2012 09:09 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 05, 2012 09:09 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 05, 2012 09:09 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 05, 2012 09:09 AM (XkWWK)
that's taught in the skrewls and the twisting of the language by the
Prog/Coms in the MFM, I'd guess there are precious few who would
understand what that word really means any more.
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Capitalism defined in a single image by a California teacher's union:
"A new animated video released by the California Federation of Teachers shows the rich “1 percent” urinating on and stealing money from the less fortunate and middle class. The purpose of the video is to explain “economic inequality” and the need for wealthy people to pay their “fair share of taxes.”
http://preview.tinyurl.com/bzy262l
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 05, 2012 09:09 AM (Hx5uv)
http://bit.ly/KQ05QY
Posted by: ElKomandante at December 05, 2012 09:10 AM (e23o2)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 05, 2012 09:10 AM (+paCV)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 01:04 PM (5DR1j)
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Since this was from 2000 your point doesn't stand as the bubble started several years later.
This is what makes me crazy about conservatives and the sub-prime debacle....CRA was around from the 1970s. In the 80s and 90s there was no sub-prime craziness. Then in the 2000s, under a Republican president, the sub-prime shit hit the fan. And what is to blame? CRA, a 30 year piece of legislation. Let's ignore the 0% interest rates set by Greenspan. Let's ignore the "owenrship society" pushed by Bush. Let's ignore the CDOs that magically turned junk status notes into AAA rated notes. Let's ignore the MSM that for 5 years pushed the "real estate only goes up" meme. Nope, none of that had anything to do with the bubble/crash. It was all because of CRA.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 09:11 AM (HDgX3)
Govt mandates cars have to have seat belts. Therefore the govt controls the auto industry. If regulating = control then yeah the govt controls 100% of everything if that's how you want to look at it.
Well, yes. Sort of. Your attempt at reducto ad absurdum (sp?) notwithstanding.
The FEDERAL government, does not set speed limits. They can tell States "set the speed limit on road X to Y, or you don't get sweet, sweet government money" but the State Government actually sets the speed limits (and can be over-ridden by local government in the right circumstances).
But, yes, the Government does control (just about) everything. Welcome to the party. Do you really think the Federal government should even have the power to decide whether my car has a seat belt? Seriously? Should the Federal government have the power to tell my local school what it can or cannot serve in the cafeteria?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 09:12 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: JDTAY at December 05, 2012 09:13 AM (a0nis)
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Listen, and understand. That Free Shit Army is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 05, 2012 09:14 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 05, 2012 09:14 AM (jucos)
You're about this close (holds fingers close together) to me deciding you're a troll and telling you to F off.
I wasn't "ignoring" anything in the subprime bubble. I was pointing out- relevant to our conversation- that CRA and it associated regulations give the Federal Government complete control (or close enough that the difference is negligible) over lending- especially (in the case of CRA) over mortgage lending. You're the one who came back trying to disprove that statement by referring to "Conventional" mortgages- completely ignoring the subprime mortgages.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 09:15 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Mindy at December 05, 2012 09:16 AM (6jLT3)
But, yes, the Government does control (just about) everything. Welcome to the party. Do you really think the Federal government should even have the power to decide whether my car has a seat belt? Seriously? Should the Federal government have the power to tell my local school what it can or cannot serve in the cafeteria?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 05, 2012 01:12 PM (5DR1j)
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I'd say the feds don't so much control everything as bribe people into accepting their rules. The local school board could tell the feds to fuck off and set its own cafeteria menu. But it wants the federal money so it gives in. Same with states and speed limits.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 09:19 AM (HDgX3)
It was all because of CRA.
You need to do your homework. It really was all because of the CRA. Billy Jeff Cliton put the teeth into that POS law that Jimmah Cahtah stupidly signed. It took a few years, but it eventually did what it was designed to do: collapse our economy, with some help from our enemies.
Click this if you dare:http://tinyurl.com/4veqn8a
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 05, 2012 09:19 AM (yiIja)
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LOL. I don't blame the bubble on the CRA therefore I'm a troll. OK whatever.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 09:20 AM (HDgX3)
bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or
remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are
dead.[/i
I hear you. I'm beginning to think my days of being a law-abiding citizen are over. These people are [i]not my countrymen.
Posted by: wisenheimer at December 05, 2012 09:21 AM (eYx/w)
Click this if you dare:http://tinyurl.com/4veqn8a
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 05, 2012 01:19 PM (yiIja)
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Right you are. It was all because of the CRA. By the way was Reagan part of this great conspiracy too? Cuz he had 8 years to get rid of CRA.
So the 0% interest rates set by Greenspan (a Reagan appointee) had nothing to do with it? The CDOs had nothing to do with it. People buying 10 houses in Phoenix and Las Vegas with the intention of flipping them 2 months later for a 20% profit had nothing to do with it. Nope. It was all Clinton and Carter's fault.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 09:22 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Karl Marx at December 05, 2012 09:23 AM (o44nj)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at December 05, 2012 09:24 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: glorious rainbow utopia at December 05, 2012 09:26 AM (Kflw4)
Point of order, Tsar, we're getting the blame no matter what (or did you forget that a plurality of voters are still blaming Bush?).
The proper use of Let It Burn is, "Step back and don't grab the bucket labeled 'water' that actually contains gasoline."
Posted by: steveegg at December 05, 2012 09:29 AM (o44nj)
bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or
remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are
dead.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 05, 2012 01:14 PM (Hx5uv)
Don't forget the Bab Breath!
Posted by: Paladin at December 05, 2012 09:31 AM (WujO7)
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Me too, though not really due to Boehner's purge although it's an additional sign and symptom. The GOP has at best looked the other way or at worst assisted in the cover ups of Obama's radical background, Fast and Furious, and Benghazi (to name only a few).
They have refused acknowlege what is happening to and in our country today, to spell out the nature of this administration and to educate the public. They don't do anything about the media bias (suicidal, IMO). Since the GOP has an obvious motivation to do all of these things for their own benefit not to mention for the good of the country, but they haven't, I've concluded they are enabling Obama and the Dems. They sure aren't representing me.
Posted by: Mayday at December 05, 2012 09:35 AM (F3s39)
If socialism worked in the real world, I'd be a socialist. I follow the logic and go where it takes me. But, based on historical experience, socialism doesn't work and--since it's based on false premises regarding value and innate characteristics of human nature--it cannot work, ever, so I'm not a socialist.
Glad to know the word is finally coming out in the open. It disgusted me no end that 'mainstream' Republicans would refuse to call out Obama for what he is, what he's always been.
As a heads-up, socialist states are typically ruled by one party. Dissent is...discouraged. Voting is a formality with a preordained outcome. Also (and most importantly), socialism is at complete odds with the US Constitution in purpose and specific intent, both word and spirit. An American citizen is duty-bound to resist a socialist state.
Posted by: troyriser at December 05, 2012 09:53 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 05, 2012 12:44 PM (HDgX3)
If you're 'fortunate' enough to need and get a loan modification, the feds take over your mortgage. The original lender still services it, i.e. that's who you send the payments to but the govt owns it. Oh and they force you to use them as the insurer too for the home owners' policy...
Posted by: Lynne at December 05, 2012 10:06 AM (+Uv5V)
This week a slew of polls came out that show majority of Democrats view Socialism positively and soon after Obama was elected in 2008, Hillary, Howard Dean, the entire brain trust of the party were making remarks like, We need some Socialism or Why do people say Socialism is a bad word. So its not like these people don't know what the Dictionary story means.
The truth is they just don't know how to spin it. O'Donnel's statement is almost nonsensical.
"I find it so interesting that Socialism is the number one word, because Obama was 'Labeled' as a Socialist so people wanted to see the actual definition. I find that so interesting".
What the hell does that mean if we assume she is sincere, which she is not?
I find it so very, very interesting that people looked up the definition of "Birth Certificate" because of the Birther accusations. I just find that mind blowingly fascinating.
Charlie Rose hit the eject button on the segment by declaring "I'm definitely not a Socialist".
Eject!
Posted by: TJ King at December 05, 2012 11:49 AM (bTARb)
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