April 25, 2012
— CAC I believe we need a new status.
Romney's speech last night is getting a lot of praise, and the key line, the MJGR, comes in at the 06:28 mark:
If he keeps up his rhetoric and argument in this vein, it will be a lot easier for distrustful Republicans to jump, AND win over the independents. No need to "move to the middle" when the middle is waking up. John McCain II he is not.
H/T to eman for coining MJGR. Update [ace]:
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Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 25, 2012 07:26 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Matt at April 25, 2012 07:29 AM (90w0O)
Posted by: Dagny at April 25, 2012 07:31 AM (4yXmp)
Posted by: eman at April 25, 2012 07:34 AM (YrBvI)
Posted by: I finally cry UNCLE! at April 25, 2012 07:35 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: David in Texas at April 25, 2012 07:35 AM (D1xXV)
Plus, he's the anti-Obama.....no nose in the air, looking down at us, comes across as humble, loves his country, no angry spouse fake-smiling in the background.
MJGR.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 25, 2012 07:37 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Mitt Romney at April 25, 2012 07:37 AM (BdzEV)
If the answer were “yes” to those questions, then President Obama would be running for re-election based on his achievements…and rightly so. But because he has failed, he will run a campaign of diversions, distractions, and distortions. That kind of campaign may have worked at another place and in a different time. But not here and not now. It’s still about the economy …and we’re not stupid."
Calling out the plays from the dem book before the first kick-off. Very good.
Posted by: kallisto at April 25, 2012 07:38 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 25, 2012 07:38 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 25, 2012 07:38 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Cicero at April 25, 2012 07:39 AM (E99n6)
Posted by: eureka! at April 25, 2012 07:39 AM (81yf8)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 25, 2012 07:39 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 25, 2012 07:39 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: farsighted at April 25, 2012 07:39 AM (DmWV5)
Mitt forgot to mention race, because you just KNOW Obama and his lackeys will cry "fuckin' racism!" 24/7 from here on out till Nov.
Posted by: EC at April 25, 2012 07:39 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 25, 2012 07:40 AM (4df7R)
The ways of Ace are a mystery inside a enigma covering a tasty nougat center.
Posted by: toby928© at April 25, 2012 07:40 AM (NG097)
Posted by: navybrat at April 25, 2012 07:40 AM (aXAKh)
Posted by: And Irresolute at April 25, 2012 07:41 AM (RC3M9)
Posted by: Blaster at April 25, 2012 07:41 AM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 25, 2012 07:41 AM (jUytm)
Mitt forgot to mention race, because you just KNOW Obama and his lackeys will cry "fuckin' racism!" 24/7 from here on out till Nov.
Posted by: EC at April 25, 2012 11:39 AM (GQ8sn)
We noticed there seems to be a lack of 'color' in the crowd...
Posted by: MSM at April 25, 2012 07:42 AM (FIDMq)
It went down with all hands.
Posted by: Cicero at April 25, 2012 07:42 AM (E99n6)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 25, 2012 11:40 AM (4df7R)
Thank you.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 25, 2012 07:42 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 25, 2012 07:42 AM (763Kc)
Mitt looks presidential. Talks presidential. And does not eat dogs.
Posted by: Nutmeg Moron at April 25, 2012 07:42 AM (qxcKC)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 25, 2012 07:42 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 25, 2012 07:43 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: navybrat at April 25, 2012 11:40 AM (aXAKh)
There's been a change in the Matrix!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 25, 2012 07:43 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: MSM at April 25, 2012 11:42 AM (FIDMq)
I see a black man and an Indian woman to Mitt's left.
Posted by: EC at April 25, 2012 07:43 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: DangerGirl at April 25, 2012 07:44 AM (Os+6p)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 25, 2012 07:44 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 25, 2012 11:39 AM (763Kc)
Who cares about the post. They snatched my comment, too! And it wasn't even a comment about snatches.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 25, 2012 07:44 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Barack O'Self-Delusions at April 25, 2012 07:44 AM (Pi5Sz)
I'll accept this as the real tone of the campaign when I've heard him in interviews and speaking off-the-cuff instead of from a prepared speech.
All that said: It was good, and I think he had just the right blend of "It's the policies, stupid" and "Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure" in the speech.
Mitt Romney 2012: Not a Dog-eater.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 25, 2012 07:44 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: And Irresolute at April 25, 2012 07:44 AM (RC3M9)
I see a black man and an Indian woman to Mitt's left.
Posted by: EC at April 25, 2012 11:43 AM (GQ8sn) p
And let me tell you, in Manchester, NH, that's a genuine feat. Even with all the Somali refugees!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 25, 2012 07:45 AM (4df7R)
... was watching the speech last night. Mrs Fixxer commented on how Mitt.... compared to Obama.... came across as an adult. She walked away.... muttering something about a "petulent man-child" and "Obama" in the same sentence.
I dislike Obama.
Mrs Fixxer has a deep seated loathing of the man.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 25, 2012 07:45 AM (ffV1/)
If he can continue to convey this message in this tone while letting others in the campaign do the twitter wet work against the One I can't see this even being close come November.
I do believe in the long run Romney will disgust me (the cap and trade, Romney Care, guns, other favorite lib stuff Romney will pop up again sooner or later) but at least I'll be able to convinve myself the morning after when I look in the mirror that he really did mean it when he said he'd be my conservative.
Posted by: H Badger at April 25, 2012 07:46 AM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: EC at April 25, 2012 11:43 AM (GQ8sn) p
And let me tell you, in Manchester, NH, that's a genuine feat. Even with all the Somali refugees!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 25, 2012 11:45 AM (4df7R)
Whaddya know, I see two more black men directly below Mitt!!! hee hee!
Posted by: EC at April 25, 2012 07:46 AM (GQ8sn)
But I am cool! ....I'm so cool I've got the economy moving along like a speeding glacier!
You wanna be cool? Vote for me! You don't need a job. I'll take care of my peeps.
Posted by: Barky the Coolest Prezzy evah... at April 25, 2012 07:46 AM (O4AQQ)
Posted by: EC at April 25, 2012 11:39 AM (GQ8sn)
Let them. Lots of squishes voted for Obama to get this whole race thing behind us once and for all. It'll make them even more pissed.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 25, 2012 07:46 AM (T0NGe)
Dude, don't be a dick. People being skeptical of something for which there wasn't much evidence is hardly surprising or worthy of contempt. I think plenty of us have already admitted to being pleasantly surprised.
Please stop "helping."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 25, 2012 07:47 AM (8y9MW)
This speech must be killing him.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 07:47 AM (piMMO)
whenever I have trepidations about voting for Romney, I just remind myself of this one vital difference between Mitt and the current Preezy of the United Steezy:
MITT: Loves America
OBAMA: Doesn't
It becomes much easier to swallow the bitter pill with that in mind.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 25, 2012 07:47 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2012 07:48 AM (nj1bB)
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And a hippie over his right shoulder.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 07:48 AM (piMMO)
Plus, this is an impressive speech. If you haven't heard it, you should.
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2012 11:48 AM (nj1bB)
What are you doing posting before noon? That's co-blogger time.
Posted by: EC at April 25, 2012 07:49 AM (GQ8sn)
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And a hippie over his right shoulder.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 11:48 AM (piMMO)
And by God, I think that's Jimmy Hoffa's neck he's standing on!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 25, 2012 07:49 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: JonathanEllis at April 25, 2012 07:50 AM (BdzEV)
New post after 3 minutes is bad.
How about a double post after 6 minutes?
/where's my AoSHQ style guide
Posted by: Mama AJ at April 25, 2012 07:50 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 11:48 AM (piMMO)
That's Jerry Garcia!!!
Posted by: EC at April 25, 2012 07:50 AM (GQ8sn)
Good speech and excellent presentation. I know some people disagree, but I think the bruising primary season was good for Romney: he has gotten more polished in delivering himself and his message.
I wasn't a Romney supporter initially but certainly am now. I especially liked the part of the speech where he stated that promises of "fairness" eliminates opportunity and leads to spreading poverty.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at April 25, 2012 07:51 AM (M0NzJ)
I hope to see more of it. I might even get past voting against Obama and to voting for Mitt.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 25, 2012 07:51 AM (8y9MW)
Mitt's a fighter, unlike McLame... I was pushing for Not-Mitt... but now I must say...
GO MITT GO
Posted by: phreshone at April 25, 2012 07:51 AM (KtT0H)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney at April 25, 2012 07:51 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: jwb7605 who ignores oZfics at April 25, 2012 11:47 AM (Qxe/p)
No. It means "Mitt Just Gnawed Rover" ... because Republicans are all dog-eating scum. They eat dogs, the savages.
And they hate America, too, the traitors.
There's nothing worse than dog-eating traitors, like the GOP are. You can read them talk all about it in their retarded books, the dog-eating GOP America-haters.
Posted by: Jay The Carney, Projectionist Propagandizer at April 25, 2012 07:52 AM (X3lox)
Slow down the news. It was a political speech, done to music.
I caught that much before I had to turn it off.
Posted by: Jay in Ames at April 25, 2012 07:52 AM (UEEex)
Now, I hope he picks Rand for his V.P.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 07:52 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: jwb7605 who ignores oZfics at April 25, 2012 07:52 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Fritz at April 25, 2012 07:52 AM (/ZZCn)
I hope the G's don't kill us.
Posted by: toby928© at April 25, 2012 07:53 AM (NG097)
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It also forced him to change debate coaches and the difference was like night and day.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 07:53 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: blindside at April 25, 2012 07:53 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: H Badger at April 25, 2012 11:46 AM (n/0Nw)
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I tend to agree. However, I don't think a President Romney would get up every morning thinking about how to destroy America, unlike the current occupant of the White House.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at April 25, 2012 07:55 AM (M0NzJ)
Posted by: Grey Fox at April 25, 2012 07:55 AM (cmYEw)
Wonder if Carville will sue as his turn of phrase is used to bludgeon the puppy-eater.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 25, 2012 07:55 AM (Y8+fT)
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2012 07:55 AM (nj1bB)
You seem to think that comment was personally aimed at you. It isn't and wasn't -- I've always considered you a pretty reasonable, persuadable Romney-skeptic, anyway.
I do feel slightly vindicated though, and it's not about rubbing other people's noses in it, rather it's about being pleased to have gotten this one right. A lot of people kept pointing out that the idea of Romney 'going soft' on Obama was ridiculous based on 1.) the fervor and commitment with which he's run all his campaigns (indeed, with which he's thrown himself into everything in his entire life); and 2.) the fact that neither he nor his team are idiots. I'm thrilled to see him come running right out of the box, and bringing skeptics over to his side.
He sounds like a winner, you know.
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 25, 2012 07:55 AM (irCrF)
Ace is truly a god.
Posted by: jwb7605 who ignores oZfics at April 25, 2012 07:56 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2012 07:56 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: blindside at April 25, 2012 07:57 AM (x7g7t)
It may have just been a "tone" thing there (note to self: remember there is no tone of voice on the internet). But there have been several of the Romneybots who have been absolute jerks ever since Santorum dropped out of the race. My patience for such has worn thin.
And I agree: I liked this speech a lot. I'm still a skeptic (one speech does not a platform make), but the tone was right. If he can keep it up in non-scripted moments, I'll be more willing to believe it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 25, 2012 07:59 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: lolobama at April 25, 2012 07:59 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2012 07:59 AM (nj1bB)
I watched this live last night. ....And yeah, it was a great speech. More, please.
There is no erasing the fact that thoughout the early primaries.....Romney consistantly pulled in around 25% of the votes. ...That was when there were several Not-Romneys to choose from.
Which means that 75% of the voters that Romney needs to support him....didn't start out supporting him.
Speeches like this will help.....help to smooth the ruffled feathers that Romney and his Pacs rubbed the wrong way, just a few months ago.
But what will not help....is if the 25%-ers, who have always supported Romney, cannot resist the urge to be gloating dickheads.....and as a result, ruffle those feathers that Romney himself is trying to smooth down.
Posted by: wheatie at April 25, 2012 07:59 AM (O4AQQ)
Not really. The fact is that people will flock to a charismatic candidate (Obama) as long as (a) they don't discuss controversial policy positions too deeply and (b) they are likeable.
If you explain it in terms of freedom from oppressive government, if you couch it in hope and optimism and you're good at communicating, you win. But any good product can be sold poorly.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 25, 2012 07:59 AM (T0NGe)
It was NEVER about the economy.
It was about a feral government that has run totally amok (which affects the economy) and the treasonous retard who is driving us into the ground and abusing everything about us and our nation that he can think up in that pea-brain of his, but it is not about the economy. It's about maintaining our unique governance (almost gone, now) and the character of America (also close to snuffed out, already). It's about the Rule Of Law versus the insanity of the America-hating empathy retards.
This is also why, after the election, arrests MUST occur. Without that, you can hang it all up because it will be over.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 25, 2012 08:00 AM (X3lox)
Um, I'm pretty sure she's dead.
JeffB-I agree with the others that now's not the time. Believe me, I understand, and have to fight the urge myself, sometimes unsuccessfully.
Posted by: pep at April 25, 2012 08:00 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: lolobama at April 25, 2012 08:01 AM (jUytm)
I dunno. I suspect that's a "YMMV" kind of thing. For me (what I've heard of it) it was almost perfect. You could almost hear "And Barack Obama is a Stuttering Clusterf*ck of a Miserable Tyrant" in his pauses. He made the contrast by not explicitly making the contrast.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 25, 2012 08:01 AM (8y9MW)
Dude gets it.
Posted by: eleven at April 25, 2012 08:02 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 11:53 AM (piMMO)
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As much as it would give the Moron Horde pleasure, Romney is never going to say "Obama is a dog-eating, communist, muslim-appeasing traitorous Kenyan." Mitt struck the right note in the subliminal message to the squishy moderates. They are never going to accept that they were conned by flim-flam man, so it's better to attack Obama on his failures to deliver.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at April 25, 2012 08:02 AM (M0NzJ)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at April 25, 2012 08:03 AM (DGIjM)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at April 25, 2012 08:03 AM (B5cM9)
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 25, 2012 08:04 AM (irCrF)
In before the Mittbot 3000 socks.
Posted by: pep at April 25, 2012 08:04 AM (YXmuI)
I read the speech earlier and liked it. I watched the speech and LOVED it. Mitt wasn't my first choice either, but he knows what the hell he is doing here and he has a good speechwriter. It was as good an "opening" speech for a general election as I have heard. Certainly beats the hell out of Barry's "this is the day when the oceans started to recede" bullshit in 2008. And I do love the juxtaposition of this serious and sober speech the same night our Doofus-In-Chief embarrasses himself on Jimmy Fallon's show.
I wonder which network is going to give Obama a talk show after he gets his ass kicked in NOvember.
Posted by: rockmom at April 25, 2012 08:05 AM (aBlZ1)
Just remember that electing Mitt is just getting a beachhead. Every day after that for four years is reminding Mittt and the Congressional R's to dance with the boy what brung ya.
Posted by: shillelagh at April 25, 2012 08:06 AM (hRzu2)
That was a good line. He also did a nice job refuting Obama's stupid "silver spoon" line. My favorite part of the speech was this:
Is it easier to make ends meet? Is it easier to sell your home or buy a new one? Have you saved what you needed for retirement? Are you making more in your job? Do you have a better chance to get a better job? Do you pay less at the pump?
Simple and direct, but brutal.
Posted by: Slublog at April 25, 2012 08:06 AM (0nqdj)
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2012 08:06 AM (nj1bB)
I liked the line about....."congratulating people on their achievement...not punishing them for it".
Good stuff, that. ....More, please.
Posted by: wheatie at April 25, 2012 08:06 AM (O4AQQ)
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 25, 2012 08:07 AM (Y8+fT)
My ninth grade English teacher would kill you for that. That fucker was insane.
Posted by: eleven at April 25, 2012 08:07 AM (KXm42)
Plus Mitt doesn't drink and never ate a dog.
Posted by: Tough,Tougher,Crunchy at April 25, 2012 08:08 AM (c3mby)
Eureka-I have the perfect campaign message for Barry.
"My presidential performance is absolutely consistent day to day"
Posted by: pep at April 25, 2012 08:09 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: Jimbo at April 25, 2012 08:09 AM (O3R/2)
Great package deal.
Now who for VP?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 25, 2012 08:10 AM (UOM48)
The new firmware looks like a winner.
Posted by: toby928© at April 25, 2012 08:10 AM (NG097)
Posted by: Slublog at April 25, 2012 08:10 AM (0nqdj)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 25, 2012 08:11 AM (jUytm)
I wouldn't. The way things are going, Mitt can win without them. The price of getting much of the Hispanic vote (amnesty) is so high that it would alienate lots of other voters. Not to mention the long term costs.
Posted by: pep at April 25, 2012 08:11 AM (YXmuI)
with dems its "you're americans, you suck"
Posted by: Berserker at April 25, 2012 08:11 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2012 11:55 AM (nj1bB)
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Wow, I got a response from the Ewok!!!!!
Yeah, Romney definitely was very personable and also a little humble in his speech. He started out talking about how important his wife and family were to him in his life. Certainly a stark contrast of "It's all about me" delivery of the SCOAMF.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at April 25, 2012 08:11 AM (M0NzJ)
Posted by: @krak_t at April 25, 2012 08:13 AM (37gK8)
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Not to mention his willingness to pit us against Russia in the Georgian conflict.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 08:13 AM (piMMO)
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Really very lifelike.
Posted by: Wodeshed at April 25, 2012 12:12 PM (5FSU6)
I am now reminded of when David Letterman joked that Al Gore was NASA's first attempt at a lifelike android.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 25, 2012 08:14 AM (Y8+fT)
Booyah!
I know Mitt is going to disappoint pretty often. Instead of Ronald Reagan we're electing Meh Rom-meh.
But he gets one thing that Reagan got. Remember Reagan's vision of the Cold War: "We win, they lose"? Romney gets that. He's spent his career winning, and not because he was black or had inherited wealth, but by offering products people wanted and by piling up the skulls of his competitors.
Mormons usually make sucky poker players, but Romney might be an exception. He comes across like this awkward overly earnest guy and then he steamrolls you.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream. at April 25, 2012 08:14 AM (epBek)
Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet[/i] at April 25, 2012 08:15 AM (UtoLw)
Posted by: Y-not at April 25, 2012 08:17 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: thunderb at April 25, 2012 08:19 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Lord Humungus at April 25, 2012 08:19 AM (Yv6gq)
Posted by: Joe mama at April 25, 2012 08:21 AM (OokNw)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 25, 2012 12:10 PM (UOM4
I've said this before....I would really like to see someone who has some military experience, as the VP pick.
So, in that regard, Allen West would be a good pick, imo. ....He's also a fighter, and has a huge fan base across the country.
But I also like Darrel Issa. ....He's a good fighter too. ....I love that thing he said yesterday about the "Most corrupt administration ever"!
Posted by: wheatie at April 25, 2012 08:21 AM (O4AQQ)
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I noticed it too, but got the feeling that he's very uncomfortable in front of the camera. He was fidgeting with his hands quite a bit. He eventually sat down, but continued to wave the flag and clap.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 08:23 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at April 25, 2012 08:24 AM (B5cM9)
Posted by: booger at April 25, 2012 08:24 AM (HI6wa)
Posted by: Y-not at April 25, 2012 12:17 PM (5H6zj)
If that happens.....then they owe a huge apology to Rick Perry, who got flayed for simply defending what the Texas legislature wanted to pass.
Posted by: wheatie at April 25, 2012 08:24 AM (O4AQQ)
I think the GOP DREAM Act stuff would make Rubio too toxic as a VP candidate now. Which sucks, because I think Rubio is genuinely great otherwise.
I'm still pulling for Allen West for Veep. I like that he's more or less said, "Screw nuance. Say what you mean and mean what you say." A Biden/West VP debate would be a bloodbath.
What about Cucinelli? (I'm sure I'm spelling his name wrong.) The AG from Virginia?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 25, 2012 08:25 AM (4df7R)
So, in that regard, Allen West would be a good pick, imo. ....He's also a fighter, and has a huge fan base across the country.
But I also like Darrel Issa. ....He's a good fighter too. ....I love that thing he said yesterday about the "Most corrupt administration ever"!
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West's seeming inability to control his anger rubs me the wrong way. His anger, albeit righteous, has on a couple of occasions become the story itself, rather than the targets of his anger.
I love the idea of Issa, but I think we desperately need him where he is.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 08:25 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at April 25, 2012 08:26 AM (DGIjM)
Posted by: tasker at April 25, 2012 08:26 AM (r2PLg)
I'd be very surprised to see the VP come from outside that four-man shortlist.
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 25, 2012 08:26 AM (irCrF)
The dark cloud of the off-season is beginning to lift away.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 08:27 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at April 25, 2012 08:29 AM (B5cM9)
I've heard that Obama is loosing the 'yout' vote.
Over the weekend I was at a Cal State Monterey baseball game and someone had written "Obama T-shirts" on the holder for the paper toilet seat protectors. Is this something?
Posted by: the Butcher at April 25, 2012 08:29 AM (8g9qq)
Posted by: Y-not at April 25, 2012 08:30 AM (5H6zj)
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Ryan is another that I think we need to hold where he is. The VP position is one of shaking hands and kissing babies AND, of course, casting a tie-breaking vote. He is more important in his current position.
What does he need? A Southerner or Westerner? Someone who will not undermine him with asinine and embarrassing remarks. A conservative.
What else is on the list?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 08:32 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: tasker at April 25, 2012 08:32 AM (r2PLg)
Both are ineligible.
I wish people would stop this talk, already, and look for someone who is Constitutionally able to take the job. Frankly, Jindal and Rubio are both okay (Rubio was until his DREAM act crap, after which he should shut up and go away and think about things for a good, long while) but neither is any great shakes that one should be looking to ineligible people to fill the VP slot.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 25, 2012 08:32 AM (X3lox)
West's seeming inability to control his anger rubs me the wrong way. His anger, albeit righteous, has on a couple of occasions become the story itself, rather than the targets of his anger.
I love the idea of Issa, but I think we desperately need him where he is.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 12:25 PM (piMMO)
It is West's 'anger' that resonates with people across the country. ....They're angry too! ....And he controls it just fine. I don't think we've ever seen LtC West get truly angry.
And as desperately as we need Issa where he is now....we desperately need to win the white house more.
Posted by: wheatie at April 25, 2012 08:34 AM (O4AQQ)
I wish people would stop this talk, already, and look for someone who is Constitutionally able to take the job. Frankly, Jindal and Rubio are both okay (Rubio was until his DREAM act crap, after which he should shut up and go away and think about things for a good, long while) but neither is any great shakes that one should be looking to ineligible people to fill the VP slot.
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WTH are you talking about?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 08:34 AM (piMMO)
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Giggle.
BTW, I think they are remaking the movie.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 08:35 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at April 25, 2012 08:35 AM (B5cM9)
Mittens needs to distance himself from McShame and any other amnesty idiots he might hear about. Amnesty is TOTAL FIRE and Mittens will torch the GOP if he doesn't deal with this correctly. Even dems get beaten badly when they go treasonous pro-amnesty. That's what killed SHrillary's 2008 bid and started the downfall of Spitzer (whose approval rating crashed from over 70% to under 40% in a matter of a week or two after Shrillary told the nation that the prick wanted to license illegals).
This ain't rocket science. Shit, it ain't even model rocket science.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 25, 2012 08:36 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: tasker at April 25, 2012 08:36 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: toby928© at April 25, 2012 08:37 AM (NG097)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 12:34 PM (piMMO)
Exactly what I wrote. It was clear.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 25, 2012 08:37 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 25, 2012 12:25 PM (4df7R)
[i/]Now THAT's a quality choice. Ken Cuccinelli is one sharp dude.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 25, 2012 08:39 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: tasker at April 25, 2012 08:39 AM (r2PLg)
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Here we go again with the Rubio and Jindal aren't REAL citizens again.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 08:39 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Lord Humungus at April 25, 2012 08:40 AM (Yv6gq)
Posted by: tasker at April 25, 2012 08:40 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at April 25, 2012 12:35 PM (B5cM9)
He thinks Barky is eligible, too. Gabe thinks that someone holding citizenships in 149 different nations is eligible for the American Presidency. Seriously.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 25, 2012 08:40 AM (X3lox)
Shit yeah, I wanted West as president, but I'll gladly take him as VP. That dude got balls that clank.
Posted by: Berserker at April 25, 2012 08:40 AM (FMbng)
McDonnell has spectacularly coiffed hair, btw. It makes Callista look like a hippie. It would be the hair ticket to end all hair tickets.
Posted by: pep at April 25, 2012 08:41 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: Lord Humungus at April 25, 2012 08:41 AM (Yv6gq)
Posted by: Lord Humungus at April 25, 2012 08:42 AM (Yv6gq)
Her state is in the bag--and she couldn't even bring in her state during the primaries for Romney with her endorsement.
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Gotcha.
Thinking outside the usual group of names that are tossed around, who fits the bill?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 08:43 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 12:39 PM (piMMO)
Natural born citizen =!= REAL citizen
Don't be an ass. Natural born citizen is an actual category of citizenship and it is different from other American citizenships. It was put in by the Founders for a very specific reason - generally to stop the sort of shit that we see with Barky - though the purpose is not just to stop malevolent foreign influence, but other sorts of foreign influence into our system and in control of our army. THis is a serious issue. There is not much in the Constitution and this specification is one of the very few things they put in.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 25, 2012 08:43 AM (X3lox)
said, "Screw nuance. Say what you mean and mean what you say." A
Biden/West VP debate would be a bloodbath""
Biden: I want to start this debate by saying that Adam, I loved you as Batman but I thought that you're a white guy. Any way I hope that Robin is doing okay. Hey did you ever score with Catwoman?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 25, 2012 08:45 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: booger at April 25, 2012 08:46 AM (HI6wa)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 12:39 PM (piMMO)
What it boils down to, NDH, is whether or not every anchor baby out there is eligible to be POTUS.
Mitt's dad wasn't born here either. ....But at least he was a citizen when Mitt was born. .....So, that is a good place to draw the line, I think....at least require that the president's parents were both citizens, at the time of their birth.
Otherwise....we've got all these Anchor Baby Mills spewing out potential presidential candidates.
Posted by: wheatie at April 25, 2012 08:46 AM (O4AQQ)
They were both born in America, how much more natural could they be?
Posted by: booger at April 25, 2012 08:47 AM (HI6wa)
Posted by: tasker at April 25, 2012 08:47 AM (r2PLg)
Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for election to the office of President or Vice President. This requirement was an attempt to allay concerns that foreign aristocrats might immigrate to the new nation and use their wealth and influence to impose a monarchy.
Both Jindal and Rubio qualify, technically. Whether they should be the VP candidate is another issue.
Posted by: GregInSeattle at April 25, 2012 08:49 AM (B5cM9)
Posted by: tasker at April 25, 2012 08:50 AM (r2PLg)
If someone is so determined to influence politics by coming here, having a baby specifically to raise them for two decades so they can run for office they're not going to mind waiting another generation, so what then? Make it three generations? We're talking about people who are willing to wait decades so they probably won't mind that either, so how far do you want to go back? Three generations? Four? Why don't we just establish a monarchy?
Posted by: booger at April 25, 2012 08:50 AM (HI6wa)
Posted by: booger at April 25, 2012 12:47 PM (HI6wa)
Perhaps you're not familiar with the Anchor Baby Mills that are located across the country. ....The Mom flies in, spends her last few weeks of pregnancy in one of these 'baby houses'....then goes to the hospital to give birth.
Mom then goes back to her home country, with her US-citizen baby....and raises it there. ....Those babies were born here. You want one for a president some day?
We've already got a guy for president, whose dad was never a citizen....and who was raised outside the country during his formative years. ....How's that working out?
Posted by: wheatie at April 25, 2012 08:54 AM (O4AQQ)
Oh, and pray tell where has the term "Natural Born Citizens" been defined by the Supreme Court in controlling precedent (read: NOT DICTA) in the sense that you choose to read it?
Because I can't seem to find your curious definition anywhere.
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 25, 2012 08:54 AM (irCrF)
Posted by: booger at April 25, 2012 12:47 PM (HI6wa)
Citizen parents are required. Lots of people are born in America. Diplomat's kids are born in America and they aren't even given American citizenship - as per the Constitution.
Oh ... wait! Diplomats kids ARE given American citizenships, these days, because no one gives a shit what the Constitution says about anything. It's all empathy, now.
I like Jindal. But he's not a natural born citizen and he should be the first to say that. What's the big deal, anyway? It's one friggin job that he isn't eligible for, and for a good reason that has nothing to do with him.
IN any event, to those who don'
t get the Founders' reasoning, here's a July 1787 letter from John Jay to George Washington explaining part of it:
Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise [and] seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expresly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 25, 2012 08:55 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 12:43 PM (piMMO)
Lol...Scott Walker of WI. Do it and watch heads explode.
Posted by: GMan at April 25, 2012 08:55 AM (sxq57)
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He has stated unequivocally, that he would reject the request to run as V.P. I think was was just last Sunday.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 08:55 AM (piMMO)
Lol...Scott Walker of WI. Do it and watch heads explode.
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That alone might make it worth the price of admission!
Now, folks bear with me here, but if we're talking Florida, and I'm not endorsing the guy, and yes...his name is "Bush", but Jeb was one helluva popular governor here and years out of office, still retains a great deal of popular support.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 08:57 AM (piMMO)
I live in Texas, i'm more familiar with anchor babies than most, if you really think someone who was born here, then lived all their life in another country only to come back to run for Prez can get elected then i don't know what to tell you. If you're worried about a Manchurian candidate there's just as much chance of that with someone who's family has lived here for generations.
Posted by: booger at April 25, 2012 08:58 AM (HI6wa)
Since when? Again, what I see here is your STRONG BELIEF. But I see both the law and empirical fact saying otherwise.
Constitutional principles of eligibility for the Presidency do not turn your own own private interpretation of the definitions of terms. You do understand that, right?
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 25, 2012 08:59 AM (irCrF)
Posted by: toby928© at April 25, 2012 09:01 AM (NG097)
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I agree, because you don't need JUST Florida, but he's been shaking trees lately, waiting to see what falls out. I had really believed that he would sit out of politics and help to shape the future for his son, George P., who I believe has a really terrific future in politics.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 25, 2012 09:06 AM (piMMO)
Right? Isn't Bush fatigue what got us into this mess? Among other things.
Posted by: eleven - all in for Newt!! at April 25, 2012 09:06 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: eleven - all in for Newt!! at April 25, 2012 09:08 AM (KXm42)
"If the answer were “yes” to those questions, then President Obama would be running for re-election based on his achievements…and rightly so. But because he has failed, he will run a campaign of diversions, distractions, and distortions. That kind of campaign may have worked at another place and in a different time. But not here and not now. It’s still about the economy …and we’re not stupid."
Posted by: Alex at April 25, 2012 09:13 AM (/yzYn)
Posted by: Call me Ishmael at April 25, 2012 09:13 AM (xwGzJ)
Posted by: Tentatively Hopeful at April 25, 2012 09:19 AM (jjsXL)
Posted by: Lord Humungus at April 25, 2012 09:23 AM (Yv6gq)
Posted by: GabeS at April 25, 2012 09:25 AM (gKz+d)
Posted by: GabeS at April 25, 2012 09:26 AM (gKz+d)
Why would they try and change it if it wasn't cut and dried? Seven of those listed were attempts to do away with natural born citizenship, a couple of those probably had Ahhnuuld in mind, and the one that wasn't was an attempt to stop one that was.
Posted by: booger at April 25, 2012 09:54 AM (HI6wa)
His first shout-out is to those hard-working single moms?
Fuck you. They're the main reason government is growing. Christ. They're not going to vote for you.
/end
Rest of the speech was fine.
Posted by: CJ at April 25, 2012 09:58 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 25, 2012 10:04 AM (UU0OF)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at April 25, 2012 10:23 AM (F0o5k)
I'd like to see Jindal - I'd also like to see Allen West get the nod.
Posted by: Naqamel at April 25, 2012 10:24 AM (UMwMT)
Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2012 10:35 AM (7W3wI)
Posted by: Schwalbe #230
I think it's called, I'd rather play than work, and especially when I can do it on the peoplle's dime! Just think of 17 vacations, doesn't get to work until 10:00 am, 94 golf games times 4 hours each = 376 hours. You go figure why we are paying him anything. I can just about bet you that Romney will take $1.00 a year and will not abuse the taxpayer's money as this guy in office now.
Posted by: jilda at April 25, 2012 10:51 AM (X5RhF)
Kelly Ayotte will be short-listed.
Watch the travel, the VP will need some foreign policy exposure. Especially after the disaster that was Sarah Palin; whose ghost will likely kill Ayotte's chances.
Those in contention, and desire the spot, know who they are and to keep themselves in-play will make moves. See Christie's happenstance trip to Israel in early April. See Rubio's speech at Brookings.
The benefit of Marco Rubio isn't the direct Latino connection; that's patronizing and silly. It's that he's an articulate conservative fighter who would be an attack dog. The same thing can be said for Ryan, who is fantastic. Think Eisenhower's Nixon.
They also provides a transition to the younger generation of conservative leaders. Rubio's problem is that he needs to pass the vetting.
The Portman noise is being fed. Ask yourself why and watch where people travel. Rumble-in-the-Jungle.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at April 25, 2012 12:36 PM (JdSQO)
Yeah, I saw almost the whole thing last night. Since I was impressed by his IL primary speech last month, I kinda look forward to them now.
The part where he says something like, do you have a higher paying job now than you did four years ago? then says, do you havea chance of getting a better job now than four years ago? I think he should then say, heck, do you even have a job at all?
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at April 25, 2012 04:29 PM (KL49F)
Mitt will not pick a VP based on gender or race. He will pick one he believes can take over as president, one who is extremely qualified, and one who will not embarrass the ticket in any way. This is Romney's strength. He is a detail man, someone his colleagues describe as being interested in the smallest detail and then be able to toss all those details in the air and see the big picture as they land. He is most applauded in the business world for his decison-making ability. He will not be someone who selects someone based on what might or might not play with the racists out there.
I also do not think Mitt will follow the typical base and select someone just because they gave a good speech sometime in the past. I personally like Paul Ryan, but I have a feeling that Mitt is going to name someone none of us has thought of, yet when he does, we'll all think, why didn't I think of him/her, of course, she/he is perfect.
This is a guy who plans and who knows where he is going and how he'll get there and how he'll bring you along with him.
Posted by: Sara at April 25, 2012 05:03 PM (0M2Nt)
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Mitt Just got REAL???
Is that an OxyMoron? Jumbo Shrimp kind of thing?
Not a good Meme if you actualy LIKE Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 25, 2012 07:25 AM (lZBBB)