1 But hey, he's unemployed too, so he feels your pain.

2 We haven't even begun to talk about Mitt's taxes that he won't release.

3

Mitt can flip it. It is time to fire each and every Obama staff member, appointee. Save America, fire a DC bureaucrat.

4 First....okay, I've been fired before ........I got nothin'.

5 The "firing people" clip is nothing. If you don't believe in firing people who do a bad job, you are going to vote to re-elect Obama anyway.

6
Newt is a clownfucker.

He broke the last straw on the camel's back.

Whatever.

7 I'm about <thisclose> to hopping on board with Team Mitt.

*sobs*

No, I don't like it. In fact I hate it and it makes me want to barf. But I can't afford to dick around with my vote. I've talked to a lot of libs at work. They don't hate Mittens the same way they do with Newt. I think I could actually make a case for him.  And I don't get the visceral reaction with Mitt the way I do with Santorum. He's toxic.

We cannot afford to lose Ohio to Obama. So...

I'm a Perry girl,but.....

I'm an ABO girl first.

I'm getting scared. Scared out of my wits at the thought of another four years with  Sir Shanksalot.

8 Newt's doing his best to get Huntsman elected.

Jon Huntsman, catch the fever.

9 Actually, I want someone in the WH that won't be afraid of massively cleaning house in DC.  Fire everyone, then look at what we really need and hire accordingly.

10 Gotta be honest, that Mitt worked at Bain is non-issue for me. Maybe the knowledge he gained there can be used to cut down the bloated fed bureaucracy.

11
Here's the thing about private investors: they ain't running jobs programs.

12 Drew, you are a fucking idiot. I hate everything about Mittens, but using this blog for posting retarded and ineffective DemRapidResponse youtube shit is akin to pooping in our collective faces. If you think this is the way to prop Perry, I assure you this isn't.

13 This one should be easy: What I was saying is that I appreciate our free market economy that allows us to get rid of those who aren't giving us good value for our dollar. You don't like your house painters? Get rid of them. It is freedom. You don't like your President? Cashier him! Exercise your freedom. Prediction: Romney VP choice will be John Kasich.

14 Yes Newt is beating the shit out of Romney, but Romney started it and he deserves every thing he gets.

Fox has been playing a clip all day today of Newt hitting him for being a sanctimonious bastard.

15 Just keep in mind how this plays with the 52%.

This is going to be a tough, tough win if we pull it off at all.

16 The snowbilly appears to be getting closer to endorsing someone with her comments along the same lines attacking Mitt.

Although, you never know, what with the way she successfully ran for President and all.

And I like the theory that she shares a lot of blame for the current mess as had she made her intentions know when she knew them--rather than milking speculation for money--the base would have been able to rally around a not-Romney a long time ago.

17
You know why people will Love the idea of firing people in 2012?

Because people are so goddamm sick of hearing about "public" servants getting fat and then retiring with a generous pension.

18 To be completely fair, he said "I like being able to fire people who provide services to me".  That is a very different proposition that will make a difference to those who aren't completely in the tank for O already.  Granted, the campaign ads will only have the part up to "people", but even then, he's saying he likes being able to, not that he likes the act itself. 

Yeah, yeah, they'll still demagogue it. 

19 At some point, our candidates are just going to have to make a commercial that speaks from the heart, and calls the Democrats, and their bought-and-paid-for media, liars and thieves.

20 In the Public Sector you can't just fire people at will, regardless of how poorly they are performing. They are protected by civil service rules, unions, etc. However in the Private Sector, an employer can run their business how they choose, including terminating employees for the betterment of the business.

This is one of the most significant reasons Government is out of control. It is staffed by people who can't make it in the private sector, and they can't be fired... even though they're incompetent.

Here in my little hometown the City Council and City Management are wringing their hands over local business using "ugly signs and flags" in front of their businesses. The just can't understand what could be motivating businesses to act in such a manner. And they feel that engaging in dialogue with these business owners may yield some understanding.

Today our government is run by activists. People really good at whining. But terrible at leading. They have no vision. They have no answers. They know only what their activism tells them.

"I like to fire people" is the most positive, refreshing thing to come out of a bureaucrat's mouth in decades. As a taxpayer, it's porn to my ears.

21 I think Mitt can respond to this by saying shouldn't we fire the people that suck at their jobs, the #1 example being SCOaMF? I don't think this is so damaging that he can't turn it around to be used against Obama if he becomes the nominee. Obama has sooooo many weaknesses, if only our nominee and the GOP had the testicular fortitude to exploit them.

22 We need to fire people, lots of them. This guy might be growing on me.

23 Hey, who's that polling in second in NH? oh yeah, that guy.  

24 If you don't believe in firing people who do a bad job, you are going to vote to re-elect Obama anyway.

Actually, I want someone in the WH that won't be afraid of massively cleaning house in DC. 

Agreed.

25 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

26
the worst thing Mitt can do is shy away from this

Embrace this, Mitt. Embrace it.

27 I'm not a big Romney fan.  Actually, I'm pretty indifferent to him.  But I take these attacks as attacks on employers in general.  We have Palin telling us we need the Paul Nazis and Newt pandering to OWS.  I'm about ready to become a Romney supporter.

28 We haven't even begun to talk about Mitt's taxes that he won't release.

dingdingdingdingding!  Ask that guy who ran against Rick Perry in 2010 how well that works.

29 I get that people are annoyed with Newt ... for going after Mitt's work at Bain but it's better to have it out there now and decide if it's baggage we want to carry into the general election.



The idea that Bain is any kind of real baggage is pretty sad, especially considering conservatives say they want to downsize government.  You can't do that without people losing government jobs.  If you are afraid of making the argument that sometimes people have to lose jobs to improve the situation (and then increase employment), we are not going to be able to make the argument that government spending needs to be reduced.

30 Just keep in mind how this plays with the 52%.

This is going to be a tough, tough win if we pull it off at all.

Posted by: ScottJ at January 09, 2012 11:58 AM (KC2BE)

 

Give it a rest.  I'm getting really tired of you people who think our primary season is going to fuck us up.  This is called hard-ball election politics, nothing more.  It happens every four years.  Get used to it.

31 So, I guess Drew M., rdbrewer, Ace, etc. are jumping on the Occupy Wall Street bandwagon to bash Mitt now. You all really need to stop hammering Mitt for having no principles except getting elected. You all have no principles except hatred of Mitt.

32 In (Obama's) government, you can hire more people than necessary and at a rate so unaffordable that it bankrupts the nation and stick the bill to someone else while backed by the force of law.

In business, you can't.

Seems like a pretty easy argument to win. I'd say Romney could put a little Reaganesque flavoring to that answer to juice it up and get some decent mileage out of it. It's a twist on the "We're from the government and we're here to help" bullet point list.

33 Mitt can be pushed to the right if we have a R senate and Congress. and..

hahahahah, we can't even get the House and Senate to be pushed to the right, much less have them push someone else to the right.

34
We've been known to employ a person or two.

35 Too bad Romney didn't follow up with "I'd like to fire Barrack Obama". 

Meh.  The only people that will be moved by an attack ad derived from this out-of-context statement will be those who wouldn't vote Republican if their lives depended on it anyway.

36 I forgot that Bush beat Ann Richards in 1994.  That was a pretty big upset.

37
btw, Chris Christie is fully committed to Mitt Romney

I mean fully.

Christie is working hard to get to Mitt elected. Save your anti-Christie shit; I don't want to hear it.

The point is that Christie's presence is a lot more than I expected.

38

That was a pretty big upset.

If you were in Texas at the time, not really.

39 It's also a losing political message. We can (and should) make the case for free market economics but let's not pretend that there aren't some real world downsides on the personal level that result from it. Yeah. Knuckleheads dig massive fed subsidies for predatory Wallstreet finance bankers. W9inning message!

40 Republicans should relish the opportunity to defend the principles of free-market capitalism instead of being ashamed of them. Stop playing by the neo-commies rules.

41
Posted by: Genesis P. Orrige

Get back under the stairs, eggmcmuffin.

42 Heh. I was having a debate with a liberal co-worker. He was going on about how corporations lay people off so they can get rich. I decided to not only confirm his worst fears about conservatism, but make him stutter and stumble to defend his liberal honor. I simply replied, "so?" He was taken aback to say the least. Then I followed with: "laying off workers actually creates jobs in the long run." His head nearly exploded! Hahaha I followed up with the point that when a corporation lays people off, it's so they can stay afloat. I said there's nothing wrong with people getting rich because they spend it on mansions and limos. He said, "so let me get this straight. Corporations lay people off to make more money so they can spend it on limos? And that creates jobs?!" I said, "Of course it does. Who do you think built the engine for that limo? Who do you think fixes it when it breaks down?" He had no answer to that, but in normal liberal fashion just kept saying how stupid it was. It was the highlight of my day.

43 I don't think Mittens is a great candidate but he's probably the strongest of the field. I won't vote for him in the primary but I am getting more and more comfortable with voting for him in the general (mostly based on the abject horror of a 2nd term for SCOAMF/T).

44
I think this whole primary season has shown that reports of Mitt's "electability" are overrated



Hey now! Mitt won an election:

...one election
...and it was a decade ago
...and in a blue state he has zero chance of winning in 2012
...and he didn't dare run for reelection
...and he lost his one other statewide race

45
How about we ask for video of Obama's past experience in running an efficient business?

46

Circa goes on record:

The Republican is going to win in November....and it's not even going to close.

There, I said it.

47 btw, Chris Christie is fully committed to Mitt Romney

I mean fully.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 09, 2012 12:05 PM (G/zuv)

Team America quote: "Don't worry, men, you can trust him.  He..."

48 If firing people who don't carry their load is unacceptable, we're already on the Short Bus to Socialism.

49 If Mittens is smart, he'll turn this into a positive by mentioning all the czars and bureaucrats he hopes to fire.

If Mittens is smart.

50 "...had [Palin] made her intentions know when she knew them--rather than milking speculation for money--"

Oh, is that what she did? Please tell us when she knew and present your evidence that she milked speculation for money. Sounds juicy!

51
but it is rather funny to hear some of the same people who wet their pants over Rick Perry's "you have no heart" remark saying that Mitt needs to show more compassion.

52 This is a bullshit nontroversey. I will feel sad if it's stuff like this that determines how republicans vote.

53

Posted by: Bob_B at January 09, 2012 11:59 AM (0tRzD)

 

A reformed civil service law by congress would do the trick, quite quickly at that.  I sure many repub congresscritters are at this very moment looking at ridding the civil service of much of the power of the SEIU also. 

54 Romney will beat Obama.

I'm not as sure about that.  Like it or not, Bain Capital is a big issue.  Most of the 52%'s idea about that kind of company comes from Pretty Woman.  Think about it.

Now, I agree (philosophically) with Mitt on this: It is a good thing to be able to fire people.  People knowing they won't get paid if they don't do a good job is a good thing for the economy and (if it ever were applied to the Public sector) the taxpayer. 

Add to that the fact he won't release his tax returns.  That's a huge political no-no.  Especially for someone with great personal wealth like Romney.

I don't doubt that Romney can win; I do have some doubts that he will.  Unfortunately, the exact same can be said of everyone in our field except maybe Santorum and Huntsman.

Still voting Perry if Perry is an available choice when my primary rolls around.

55

No, I don't like it. In fact I hate it and it makes me want to barf. But I can't afford to dick around with my vote. I've talked to a lot of libs at work. They don't hate Mittens the same way they do with Newt. I think I could actually make a case for him. And I don't get the visceral reaction with Mitt the way I do with Santorum. He's toxic.

We cannot afford to lose Ohio to Obama. So...

Why would they hate him? He's one of them.

56 obama is ruining the Military and our Nation. That is really all I need to know

57
The fact that Mitt is surging in both SC and FL is certainly making the case for his electability.

58 Using government money to keep people employed is Obama's big idea. Solyndra, GM, new government bureaucracies, Fisker, etc.  If you pull government funding, people lose jobs.

How can we argue against that if we are afraid of the Bain "baggage"?

59 I've finally decided...I don't have a candidate.

The GOP will screw around and pick a bad candidate from the field of Not Ready for Primary Time Players.  There's just no avoiding it.  May as well save my powder for the Main Event, no point investing treasure and emotion in the political equivalent of American Idol's 'Freak Week'.

60 I hate Obama. I hate Obama with every fiber of my being. He is evil incarnate.

He just has to go. I really don't care at this point who does it.

61 Again, maybe Mitt's going to be able to be a great ambassador for free market principles

Yes, like the Obamacare mandate! As conservative as it gets!

62 Perry would be far superior than Romney....

63 Prediction: Mitt Romney will soon become the next "not-Romney" candidate

64 I'm gonna write in Mickey Mouse for President with Donald Duck as his running mate.

65 Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2012 12:04 PM (YdQQY)

If the best argument "for" a candidate is that all those other people who might get elected will keep them from doing too much damage, you don't have much to say for your candidate.

I don't get why the Mittens collective doesn't get this.

66 The Republicans could nominate Jesus, Muhammed or Buddha and the Dem machine would demonize them.

67 Remember, we want people running the government who hate the idea of firing people who suck at their jobs. Vote Huntsman, Newt or Perry and keep the incompetents around forever.

68
Rick Perry is gonna drop out in the next few days.

Newt is finished the day after SC.

69 The Republicans could nominate Jesus, Muhammed or Buddha and the Dem machine would demonize them. Posted by: real joe at January 09, 2012 12:11 PM (IgXeh) Well of course they would. Don't you know, progressives hate people who cling to their Bibles and guns?

70 They don't hate Mittens the same way they do with Newt. I think I could actually make a case for him. And I don't get the visceral reaction with Mitt the way I do with Santorum. He's toxic.

Don't you see it as a problem that the people that want Obamanomics with a more competent President implementing it think Romney would be ok?

That says to me we should be trying to nominate Santorum because we, and the left, both know he would reverse DC's course since 2008...

71

16 The snowbilly appears to be getting closer to endorsing someone with her comments along the same lines attacking Mitt.

Posted by: Jimmuy at January 09, 2012 11:58 AM (pbKln)

 

IÂ’m very confident that Rick Perry would suck a number of dicks for PalinÂ’s endorsement.

72

Does this suck? .....Yes. ....But let's face it. This is the sort of stuff that the Dems will hit Romney with. Day after day. Week after week. ....It will be re-hashed, and re-run. They will dig up sob storries with 'victims' of Romney's evil firings and down-sourcings.

"Mitt Romney ruined my life".....they will find people that will say this. NBC might just make it into a new reality show. .....Occutards will have their little chants in the streets, with Mitt as the poster boy for the evil 1%-ers.

What do we have to fight that with?

 

73 Rick Perry is gonna drop out in the next few days.

Sadly I concur. And this is why I'm coming to the realization I'm coming to.

74 Vote Huntsman, Newt or Perry and keep the incompetents around forever.

A special welcome to Jennifer Rubin for joining us today.

75 If you think Bain is indicative of what a Romney president should look like, stop. His MA governorship is a better metric. He's like a walking democrat talking point.

76 They will dig up sob storries with 'victims' of Romney's evil firings and down-sourcings.

I expect flapjackmacka will star in one of his commercials.  (don't overreact, just having a little fun)

77 He's like a walking democrat talking point.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 09, 2012 12:15 PM (9JwOW)

I most certainly am not. Unless you want me to me.

78

Some of those 52 percenters have left the building. Obama's crew is down into the forties.

79 "I've finally decided...I don't have a candidate."

Yup. I'm just glad I live in a state (Illinois) where my vote won't matter. On election day, I'll trudge over to the poll and cast my pointless vote for the Republican, but if it's Mitt, I won't canvass for him. He'll get my appalled, horrified vote, but that's it. I will not be able to advocate on his behalf. The only thing he'll have going for him is that he's not Odisaster. Yay! Way to go, Mitt. You aren't him.

80 Rick Perry is gonna drop out in the next few days.

Newt is finished the day after SC.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 09, 2012 12:12 PM (G/zuv)

The Ohio primary is March 6. Is there gonna be anybody left besides Romney?

81

Why would they hate him? He's one of them.

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2012 12:09 PM (OlN4e)

Probably because he fights back.  They hate that.  Also, he broke some kid's crutches.

82 I think Palin should call Perry, Newt, and Santorum into a room; and make them reach an agreement on which one walks out as the candidate with her endorsement. If they don't play, she attacks the recalcitrant.

83

The Mittster could make lemonade out of lemons if he would get mean and nasty and double-down and fire back that "You're damned right I like to fire people - why the hell do you think I wanna go to Washington?!?"

 

84 Romney is probably my 2nd choice. Still hoping for Perry to have a comeback (of field we have) The general is going to be ugly ugly no matter what but people have ignored the "he is stupid" arguments before (Reagan, Dubya) Class warfare and cultist --I'm afraid people are less likely to respond rationally and ignore those arguments, and I am 100% certain the MFM will join the DNC in pushing those arguments HARD the second the primary is over if Mitt gets the nomination.

85 I think its bizarre how Gingrich is attacking Romney from both the right and the left. Newt really is devoid of a political center. Romney's may be moderate-right, but at least it's not as schizophrenic as Newt's.

86 Ah, Drewsie. Pray for a shit economy and a big terrorist attack. Maybe some American military deaths you can exploit for political points. Good times!

87 IF SCOTUS decides that Obamacare is unconstitutional, then Obama loses a huge club to beat Romney with. May wish to keep that in mind.

  It would also remove a major obstacle for me, should I be forced to vote for him.

88

The Mittster could make lemonade out of lemons if he would get mean and nasty and double-down and fire back that "You're damned right I like to fire people - why the hell do you think I wanna go to Washington?!?"

But, of course, that would require gonads between one's legs...

 

89 The Republican is going to win in November....and it's not even going to close

That's why you need to vote for the guy committed to not undoing Obamanomics!

90 I'm gonna write in Mickey Mouse for President with Donald Duck as his running mate. Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2012 12:11 PM

I've just about settled on Vermin Supreme. He's from my town, after all. It's unlikely that his "baggage" is a fraction of The Mutt's, and the only "mandate" I've seen him support is for universal teeth-brushing.

It's still hard to believe that the Republicans have transformed an incredible chance to set the country moving in the right direction into a steaming pile of dung, but they have. Another four years of the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure (and, of course, Moo-chelle) seems all but assured.

Until conservatives grow a pair -- and stop listening to wimps like the "pundits" at NRO, "Poppin' Fresh" over at Tepid Air or past-their-prime gasbags like The Newt -- the drain-circling will only increase in velocity.

Thus, Vermin Supreme: We might as well get a laugh or two on the way to disaster....

91 If Mitt flames out, I'm available to carrry the banner for the GOP.

92 The snowbilly appears to be getting closer to endorsing someone with her comments along the same lines attacking Mitt.

Posted by: Jimmuy at January 09, 2012 11:58 AM (pbKln)

 

IÂ’m very confident that Rick Perry would suck a number of dicks for PalinÂ’s endorsement.

Posted by: jwest at January 09, 2012 12:13 PM (FdndL)

 

If I were a big time presidential candidate, I'd be willing to do that.  Whether you like Palin or not, her endorsement is going to mean quite a lot.

93 "I think Palin should call Perry, Newt, and Santorum into a room; and make them reach an agreement on which one walks out as the candidate with her endorsement. If they don't play, she attacks the recalcitrant."

I doubt this will matter very much. Palin was the candidate I wanted, by far, and I don't really care who she endorses, because her endorsement doesn't make them suck any less.

94 DrewM has disgraced this blog today.  But he knows that.

He's like Newt now: he doesn't really want to beat Obama, he just wants the pleasure of going "nyaah nyaah!" and saying "I told you so" about Romney.  And he's going to do every single thing he can to drive that narrative in the hopes that it will come true.

Way to go, true conservative.

95 Apparently we are handing out worthless humanities degree college credit for trolling blogs again.

96

The Ohio primary is March 6. Is there gonna be anybody left besides Romney?

It's already over, broseph.

97

But, of course, that would require gonads between one's legs...

Or, in the case of, say, a Michele Bachmann, gonads in one's abdominal cavity.

 

98 I think this whole primary season has shown that reports of Mitt's "electability" are overrated

He'll win, but it'll be by a whisker and you can forget any idea of a mandate. Forget about coattails, if we have any gains in Congress it'll be despite him not because of him.

99

Posted by: Genesis P. Orrige at January 09, 2012 12:19 PM (Wa2Hq)

Okay, time to shitcan this asshole.

100 Sorry, Ace, but you're off base on this one.

How many people want to be able to fire government workers (DMV, IRS, etc.)?  This is the call for individual power: If you don't like a business, you can fire it, you can't fire the government.

That's a case we NEED made during this election: The Democrats are bad because they replace private enterprise and the free market (where we as individuals can fire a company that pisses us off) with government (where we can't).

101 One thing that he can (probably) argue is that the people he likes to fire are almost all upper management.

If the Dems want to play class warfare, Romney can point out all of the fatcat executives that got fired by Bain.

I don't know about specifics, but usually with reorgs like Bain does, the little guys just change the color of the vest they wear.

102
I have no doubt whatsoever Sarah Palin will endorse Mitt Romney.

And it's coming soon.

103

It's already over, broseph.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 09, 2012 12:21 PM (G/zuv)

 

I know. Part of me just won't give up hope yet...

104 He'll win, but it'll be by a whisker and you can forget any idea of a mandate.

Hey, I'll always have one mandate.

You know, the conservative one in Obromneycare.

105 38  btw, Chris Christie is fully committed to Mitt Romney

Great! so we carry NJ and MA?

106 Thus, Vermin Supreme: We might as well get a laugh or two on the way to disaster....
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 09, 2012 12:20 PM

Hey, me, too!  His head wear shows a certain sense of style.

107

83 I think Palin should call Perry, Newt, and Santorum into a room; and make them reach an agreement on which one walks out as the candidate with her endorsement. If they don't play, she attacks the recalcitrant.

Posted by: Jean at January 09, 2012 12:18 PM (WkuV6)

I agree.  But first she should make them each suck Todd off. 

ItÂ’s the Team America way to show commitment.

108
He'll win, but it'll be by a whisker and you can forget any idea of a mandate. Forget about coattails, if we have any gains in Congress it'll be despite him not because of him.

How awful. Please tell me more.

109 Posted by: Jeff B. at January 09, 2012 12:20 PM (2I4Tp)

Yeah, I'm going to need to see some links from you dressing Romney down for lying about Perry wanting to eliminate Social Security and saying he'd make it a "Perry scam".

You Mittbots can throw a punch but you whine like little bitches (Anderson!) when anyone has the audacity to fight back.

Saddle up chum because Obama isn't going to play by your rules.

110 I agree.  But first she should make them each suck Todd off.

I'll have you know I am 100% heterosexual - just look at my picture perfect family...unless, uh, you don't want me to be.

111 You should at least not misquote him in the headline.  He said, "I like being able to fire people."

112 The Republicans could nominate Jesus, Muhammed or Buddha and the Dem machine would demonize them. Posted by: real joe at January 09, 2012 12:11 PM (IgXeh) You mean a bastard son of a Roman soldier and a whoring Jewish slut who was never married a woman (wink-wink), a pedophile warlord and some Asian dude who never had a shower in his entire life?

113 Way to go, true conservative.

The fault does not lie with anyone who feels this group of candidates, specifically the so called party favorite, is so poor as to induce nausea; The falt lies with a party that delivered this group to us as the best they had. They suck so bad, that I can't find fault in Drew's line. And if you do, you are deluded into thinking that Romney will actually do something politically brave to save this country.

114 Republicans should relish the opportunity to defend the principles of free-market capitalism instead of being ashamed of them. Stop playing by the neo-commies rules.

Posted by: Janitor at January 09, 2012 12:06 PM (tazG1)

Conservatives dont defend "capitalism", we defend the constitution and property rights. We put property beyond the hands of government, but we do not put its use beyond the reproach and criticism of fellow citizens. Thats all Newt and Perry are doing and what conservatives have done when we debated the Ground Zero Mosque.

Willard on the other hand defended the constitutionally dubious ponzi scheme we call social security.

So its quite rich to get the class warfare card played by Romney, who is way out of line with constitutional principles, unlike Perry and Newt. 

115 You guys are making a big mistake. SQUIRREL!

116 Jeff B probably drinks his beer with his pinkie finger pointed up.

117 Don't you see it as a problem that the people that want Obamanomics with a more competent President implementing it think Romney would be ok?

No, actually.  If we can fool the mushy middle that Romney isn't some evil conservative stereotype, then we get more votes for OUR TEAM.

118 we defend the constitution Since when?

119 38  btw, Chris Christie is fully committed to Mitt Romney

Great! so we carry NJ and MA? Posted by: Chainsaw Al Dunlap at January 09, 2012 12:23 PM

Nope. "We" -- that is, those who can stomach The Mutt -- maybe carry NJ. If "we're" lucky. Mr Inevitable couldn't carry MA more than once, and sure couldn't do it now.

120

It's still hard to believe that the Republicans have transformed an incredible chance to set the country moving in the right direction into a steaming pile of dung, but they have. Another four years of the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure (and, of course, Moo-chelle) seems all but assured

 

It has been boldly written on the wall since 2010 and shouted by every conservative talk show and blog, that not only are conservatives running against the SCAOMF and the dems, but against the establishment repubs in DC.

I'm finding it encouraging that the more conservative candidates have lasted as long as they have, considering the forces mustered against them.

Again, what if it is Mitt?  He's by far much better than the SCOAMF.  Plus, he's an American. 

 

121
The Republican is going to win in November....and it's not even going to close.
Posted by: Circa




Pittsburgh to win and beat the spread.

122 Posted by: Peej at January 09, 2012 12:24 PM (wF4wi)

Fixed it. I was going by memory. A dangerous thing after a certain age.

Thanks.

123 To be honest, this actually makes me want to vote for Mitt. That and that photo of him surrounded by other executives waving around dollar bills? Awesome. However, this really seems like it's just Mitt's conservative brother.

124 Just like attacks on Newt, Palin, and others by the MFM and Democrats, BIRM, they are only increasingly my support for them. Which in this case was non existent.

125 @96. No need to be such a drama queen. We know you're reeeaally all in for Mitt, but take a chill pill. I don't have a problem with Mitt's statement either, but not every attack on Romney signifies the corruption of humanity.

126
No, actually.  If we can fool the mushy middle that Romney isn't some evil conservative stereotype, then we get more votes for OUR TEAM.

Wait, you think Romney is lying to the left when he does things like defend Obromneycare?

I support there is a first time for everything, but I'm pretty sure Mittens is campaigning way to the right of how he would govern. Like every Republican nominee since Reagan...

127
At least Christie is doing something to get rid of Obama.

He was heckled by some idiot in NH this weekend and he pretty much grabbed his package and told her to fuck off.

I wish we had ten more Chris Christies out there working hard to defeat Obama.

128 Jeff B. Winning hearts and minds with persuasive arguments since approximately fucking Never.

129

Joffen,

WeÂ’re going to start making fun of Perry, so its best you go get some sleep.

This will just upset you if you stay.

130 Great analysis...and the solution is...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

131 >>>Yeah, I'm going to need to see some links from you dressing Romney down for lying about Perry wanting to eliminate Social Security and saying he'd make it a "Perry scam".

I'm sorry, DrewM, but the stupid fuck declared Social Security to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL and a PONZI SCHEME for Christ's sake.  There was no goddamn ambiguity in his statements. What the fuck ELSE would a statement like that mean other than "I don't like it and it's illegal, therefore I'd prefer to get rid of it."  And the "Perry scam" stuff was about his harebrained idea of 'returning it to the states,' which would of course render it inoperable. 

You are behaving like a whiny bitch about this.  You hate the fact that the candidates with theoretically better "true con" credentials said horribly, unforgiveably stupid things, and you resent so much that Mitt was able to punch back smartly and legitimately against them (because you don't like Mitt as a politician) that now you simply don't care about whether an attack against him is correct, or fair, or conservative: you just want to see him bleed for taking down your guy. 

132

'creative destruction' sounds like bad performance art to me.  And it sounds like it has the emphasis backward as if destruction is the goal rather than a byproduct of the new creation.

Would destructive (old the old) creation (of the new) be a better term for the process?

 

133 Posted by: Genesis P. Orrige at January 09, 2012 12:19 PM (Wa2Hq)

Okay, time to shitcan this asshole.

That's just erg. He cut school today and is hanging out at the public library.

134 @132: Hmmm....

135

 ^{_{I think Palin should call Perry, Newt, and Santorum into a room; and make them reach an agreement on which one walks out as the candidate with her endorsement. If they don't play, she attacks the recalcitrant.}}

 

AHOY!

136 Posted by: Jeff B. at January 09, 2012 12:30 PM (2I4Tp)

Shorter Jeff B.

LEAVE <sob>MITTENS <sob>ALONE!<sob>

137 "You are behaving like a whiny bitch about this." - Jeff B. My irony meter just exploded!

138 Willard on the other hand defended the constitutionally dubious ponzi scheme we call social security.

Umm, they all do.  Perry *called it* a Ponzi scheme, but where did he say he wants to eliminate it? No, he said he only wants to let state employees opt out.  That's all.

139 Well, all of them except Ron Paul, who doesn't count.

140 LEAVE <sob>MITTENS <sob>ALONE!<sob>

Posted by: DrewM. at January 09, 2012 12:31 PM (WNzUA)

Heat, kitchen anyone?

141 One thing that needs to be said over and over again is that, ideology aside, you WILL NOT win an election without a strong team of advisors, a strong ground game and lots of money. Of all the candidates only Romney meets this requirement. What, is Santorum gonna drum up the hundreds of millions of dollars and get a competant campaign staff in place? He is going to have foot soldiers across the 50 states? Do you see Newt achieving this? No. Only Romney. You could make the argument that Perry also has the ability to put together the kind of campaign that will be required but... I think that is a reach. Romney has been working on this for 6 years now. His ducks are in a row. He has spent 70 million of his own dollars to date. He is the guy this cycle. Remember, the most sterling conservative candidate we could dream up would not win without the proper organization. This isn't just some jackass Democrat - this is Obama, the ultimate jackass Democrat... and also owner of the largest Democrat national machine we have ever seen. You gotta fight fire with fire baby.

142 The fault does not lie with anyone who feels this group of candidates, specifically the so called party favorite, is so poor as to induce nausea; The falt lies with a party that delivered this group to us as the best they had. They suck so bad, that I can't find fault in Drew's line. And if you do, you are deluded into thinking that Romney will actually do something politically brave to save this country.

It's an off-script election. The economy was expected to recover and Obama would win reelection easily. So the candidates that entered the race were the throwaways or insufficiently prepared. Apparently nobody realized Obama was going to suck this bad and was potentially easily beatable.

143 If we nominate Romney we, meaning conservatives, have already lost before the first ballot is cast in the general election.

If you want to save Obromneycare, vote for Romney.

144

from Rasmussen:

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds Obama receiving 46% of the vote to SantorumÂ’s 39%.

145 Obama sucks.
Obama sucks.
Obama sucks.

If you say things three times in repetition they will stick.

Everyone here already knows this but it's a good reminder that anybody is fucking better than him.

Trite. But true. Very true.

146
You gotta fight fire with fire baby.

Posted by: E.M. August at January 09, 2012 12:32 PM (zeBNm)

So to beat a liberal, you suggest we nominate one ourselves?

147 The no tax info thing is going to take a big chunk out of Mitt's ass one way or the other.
Real dumb move unless there is some there there, in which case how does he explain not getting this shit in order in the last 4 years?

148

Cool, he can fire the SCOAMF.

And all the candidates who are peeing all over conservatisim to attack Romney, y'all aren't doing anything except screwing all of us. 

149 You are behaving like a whiny bitch about this.
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Ironic. You never cease your ability to give objectively true opinions

150 Oh it is always the highlight of my day, when they supporters for the most vicious machine on the field start sobbing when things get a little rough.

I'll give you a hint. Taking shots at someones conservatism because they don't support Willard? Yeah that's a miss. Try another line of attack that isn't so patently stupid.

151 "I'm about to hopping on board with Team Mitt. *sobs*" I just did it quick and got it over with. Sort of like ripping off a band-aid.

152

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at January 09, 2012 12:31 PM (qjUnn)

 

Yeah, same here. That's why I don't get involved in the arguments over who's electable, etc, because in the end it's going to be ABO and that's all I really care about.

153 Fight fire with fire , so we run a liberal Republican with indistinguishable policy position against Obama?

154 Umm, they all do.  Perry *called it* a Ponzi scheme, but where did he say he wants to eliminate it? No, he said he only wants to let state employees opt out.  That's all.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 09, 2012 12:32 PM (qVUxp)

Yep, because he backed down. That was a pretty sad moment. but the point is that attacks from the left obviously didnt disqualify Willard for his supporters, so they should stop whining and bitching about evil "class warfare" when its his turn to take it.

155

I agree that Mitt's background in firing folks is a con against him as far as campaigning VS Obama; as are Perry's debate skills, Gingrich's personal life, and Santorum's super so-con views

I do have to say though I wonder what the line is b/w worrying that Mitt's professional past hurts him and a class warfare that Romney is Gordon gecko

156 point is, Mitt shouldn't earn any special enmity for defending Social security, THEY ALL defend Social Security

157 Caught the video of Christie taking on some heckler at a Romney event. Good gosh, Christie is even fatter than he was before, no small feat.

158 That's just erg. He cut school today and is hanging out at the public library.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 09, 2012 12:30 PM (KHWIF)

And undoubtedly picking his nose and wiping the boogers off on the underside of the computer desk.

159 Posted by: E.M. August at January 09, 2012 12:32 PM (zeBNm) Please read that post, Jeff B. THAT is how you advocate for Romney. Not acting like you're out of Pamprin and Aunt Flo is ringing the doorbell.

160 A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds Obama receiving 46% of the vote to SantorumÂ’s 39%. So what, break that down electorally or go home.

161 Good gosh, Christie is even fatter than he was before, no small feat. Posted by: Dave at January 09, 2012 12:37 PM (Xm1aB) And obama is more arrogant than he was before

162 @38 - the talk from my people on the hill is that ALL the winners are already lined up behind Romney. All the people associated with winning fundraising and winning elections on the republican side have chosen Mitt. This isn't a coincidence...

163

I do have to say though I wonder what the line is b/w worrying that Mitt's professional past hurts him and a class warfare that Romney is Gordon gecko

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voted In The FL Primary at January 09, 2012 12:35 PM (3XDPM)

The left has been organizing to fight him for a couple of years now. Everything from the occupoopers to the new Wall Street movie are aimed at taking down a fat cat Republican.

So, let's just say choosing Romney will be letting the left choose where, and how, the electoral battle will be fought.

164

Cool, he can fire the SCOAMF.

And all the candidates who are peeing all over conservatisim to attack Romney, y'all aren't doing anything except screwing all of us. 

heh all I here is "Join us... it's inevitable" "You are only making this harder on yourself"

Is it just me, or do Romney supporters suck at sales so hard they couldn't push gold on a Glenn Beck audience.

165
I love how so many think Obama is an automatic defeat.

And we can beat Obama with nobody.

Mitt Romney? Screw!
Michelle Bachmann? Go away, you freak!
Glenn Beck? Shut up!
Chris Christie? You fat shit, who needs you.
Ann Coulter? Traitor!
Sarah Palin? You dope, go quit something.

Who else is expendable? Get rid of all of them. Because Obama is definitely gonna lose.

166 Apparently nobody realized Obama was going to suck this bad and was potentially easily beatable.
Posted by: Heorot at January 09, 2012 12:33 PM

Can't agree with you. There were plenty of people who knew how badly the SCoaMF would do -- as far back as 2008 -- but they were drowned out by the President Historic First© bullshit and the Polite Conservatives who felt that we could somehow smother him with niceness.

I guran-damn-tee you that everyone running for the presidency (well, except maybe for Waldo Huntsman) knows how dangerous Osama Obama is to the nation's future. Each one of them also knows he would be pilloried as an eeeevil racist if he actually said so.

There are no surprises for any remotely sentient being in the Traitor-In-Chief's performance. The surprise is that the Game of Politics trumps any effort to hold him accountable for what he has done.

167 If I thought for a second that preznit Willard was going to fire half the federal employees I'd be enthusiastic about the guy, but he doesn't exactly sound like that kind of draconian fiscal-con.

168 Ya know obama is firing thousands and seem to enjoy the heck out it. They are called Military Personal.

169 Jeff B has obviously read the book "How to win friends and influence people"

170 A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds Obama receiving 46% of the vote to SantorumÂ’s 39%. So what, break that down electorally or go home.

Posted by: Jean at January 09, 2012 12:37 PM (WkuV6)

I'd take that as a positive actually, Santorum just jumped into being a first tier candidate so these numbers are quite strong for him.

Give him a few weeks in the limelight and see what happens.

Of course in the end the election will be a referendum on Obama, not the Republican candidate, so the real question is who can differentiate himself from Obama the best?

171 After I score points on the next debate, I'm "Tebowing"

Jesus loves that and it'll put me over the top

172 You are behaving like a whiny bitch about this.
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Ironic. You never cease your ability to give objectively true opinions

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 09, 2012 12:35 PM (9JwOW)

 

If you hadn't commented on him, I wouldn't have even noticed he was on this thread.  I guess I'm just automatically skipping over his comments when I see (and then forget) his name.  

173

again to Romneybots, most of you (not all) app. have decided that the way to influence folks to come to Mitt's side is too...insult folks and then demand they get in line

yeah, that'll work/sarc

174 Lacey come to Team Meteor we have stompy boots and cookies. For everyone hammering Drew on this do you legitimately believe that won't be the Dem line of attack? Maybe I'm reading the post wrong but I read it as descriptive not prescriptive.

175 Drew obviously hates Mormons.

176 >>Good gosh, Christie is even fatter than he was before, no small feat.
Posted by: Dave at January 09, 2012 12:37 PM (Xm1aB)

Saw that myself, and was thinking that he may not only have no future as a Presidential candidate, he may not have much of a future of any kind.

Time for the wife to lay down some immutable dietary laws ASAP. 

177

St. Sarah you are our only hope!

178 I'm getting scared. Scared out of my wits at the thought of another four years with Sir Shanksalot.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2012 11:55 AM (pLTLS)

I really would not worry...

I think Obama is going to throw the election.  He KNOWS the numbers and sees the almost inevitable economic collapse coming.  He knows the Fed Res has propped up the system longer than it should have... and can't do so much longer.

He does NOT want to go down as the President in office when the REALLY Great Depresion hits... he wants to be able to sit on the sidelines and say 'see, if you'd just elected me....'

He IS setting the battlefield for the Great Class War to come... by training the Race and Lower Class folks to rely on the Government, and by killing the Middle Class... but thats going to be the battlefield for AFTER the collapse...

179 “My opinion is that I can see what’s coming ... the media will try to bolster Romney so they can tear him down, ”--Sarah Palin

The left wants Mitt. Why do we again?

180

So, let's just say choosing Romney will be letting the left choose where, and how, the electoral battle will be fought.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 09, 2012 12:38 PM (7BU4a)

Their position is designed to demonize the philosophy that has enabled the prosperity of this country.  It's not as if we stepped in a trap.  If we can't win the class-warfare argument then there's not much worth fighting for anyway.

181

Arrgh.

I'm in NH.  I vote in the primary tomorrow.  I don't want to vote for any of the candidates.  What the hell am I going to do? 

182 insult folks and then demand they get in line

yeah, that'll work/sarc

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voted In The FL Primary at January 09, 2012 12:41 PM (3XDPM)

I've noticed that the Paultards employ a similar tactic.

183 And all of you crying that Romney is a liberal, get real. Sorry you can't have your way. Sorry the Tea Party produced no viable candidate. Sorry Paul Ryan was not brave enough or prepared enough to step in. The field is what it is. If you think somehow Romney will be liberal in spite of the current house and senate leadership, you are an idiot. What, you think he isn't bought and paid for like everyone else?

184 I'm in NH. I vote in the primary tomorrow. I don't want to vote for any of the candidates. What the hell am I going to do? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2012 12:44 PM (4df7R) Write my name in

185 If you think Bain is indicative of what a Romney president should look like, stop. His MA governorship is a better metric. He's like a walking democrat talking point.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 09, 2012 12:15 PM (9JwOW)

The difference is at Bain, Mittens was making his own money (and doing it quite ruthlessly) while the MA guv, he was spending other people's money and pandering to a liberal entitlement state.

Conclusion: in a government setting, you will barely be able to tell if Obama is still in office or has been replaced by the Mittster.

186
...do you legitimately believe that won't be the Dem line of attack?

Sí, claro. But did you see the advice he offered? "Part of being "electable" is not saying dumb stuff that can be used against you."

Which means: try not anger the Democrats. Wow.

187 Lacey come to Team Meteor we have stompy boots and cookies.

Hmm. Perhaps. Anyway I can get a cupcake rather than cookies?

188 point is, Mitt shouldn't earn any special enmity for defending Social security, THEY ALL defend Social Security

Posted by: chemjeff at January 09, 2012 12:36 PM (qVUxp)

Okay, I remember that differently, but I may be wrong.

189 Unfortunately, Mitt's primary opponents are previewing the Bamster's attack on Mitt. (Yes, I think Romney will win the nomination.) You will have the Occupiers outside every Mitt rally chanting "Bain Capital!" and "Romney is the 1 Percent!" and similar juvenalia. Then Axelrod and co will make him out to be the perfect Hollywood capitalist villain, complete with slick look and dead puppies under the floorboards. Mitt's people have to figure out a way to counter this NOW. Oh, and Mitt has to grow a thicker skin.

190 167 @38 - the talk from my people on the hill is that ALL the winners are already lined up behind Romney. All the people associated with winning fundraising and winning elections on the republican side have chosen Mitt.

This isn't a coincidence...

Posted by: E.M. August at January 09, 2012 12:38 PM (zeBNm)

Yep, those invested in the status quo, are all lined up behind Mitt...

wow... color me suprised.... NOT...

191 I don't want to vote for any of the candidates.

Not even Buddy Roemer? He's polling better than Perry there.

Yes, really.

192

Their position is designed to demonize the philosophy that has enabled the prosperity of this country. It's not as if we stepped in a trap. If we can't win the class-warfare argument then there's not much worth fighting for anyway.

Posted by: The Lone Lemon at January 09, 2012 12:43 PM (xXhWA)

+1

 

Arrgh.

I'm in NH. I vote in the primary tomorrow. I don't want to vote for any of the candidates. What the hell am I going to do?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2012 12:44 PM (4df7R)

I voted absentee for the FL primary a couple days ago, I see where your coming from. I was pretty pissed come voting time about who to pick. I had a long conversation w/ myself and carefully thought out which vote I could live with. I voted the way I did, refuse to tell folks who it was for, and now I await for this horrible process of the reds snipping at each other to end so we can go on to fighting the blues, best advise I can give you

which vote can you live with, considering what qualities your looking for

193

Mitt should retool his entire campaign to focus on the quote.

He could run ads that start with “I like having the ability to fire people who provide services to me”, then have a shot of cubicles inside the “Department of Human Services” with the phone ringing and ringing.  At one cubicle, a fat black woman files her nails while ignoring the phone.  At the next, some hippy looking dude with a ponytail plays video games while ignoring the phone. 

A scroll on the screen shows something like:  “The average federal worker makes double what the average private sector worker does” then it says:  “ArenÂ’t you ready to fire some people who are suppose to be working for you?”

194

Their position is designed to demonize the philosophy that has enabled the prosperity of this country.  It's not as if we stepped in a trap.  If we can't win the class-warfare argument then there's not much worth fighting for anyway.

Posted by: The Lone Lemon at January 09, 2012 12:43 PM (xXhWA)

Oh indeed demonizing capitalism is ridiculous, but it generally works. And Romney will easily play to the stereotype the media will push hard - it isn't so much a trap as simply doing exactly what the left wants us to do. Ironically, the candidate easiest for them to demonize, and the candidate least likely to actually change the course of DC are the same guy - Romney.

Actually when was the last time a businessman got elected president?

195 I'm getting scared. Scared out of my wits at the thought of another four years with Sir Shanksalot.

Well it's kind of like this. At this point with the absolute fragile state of the west's monetary system; the fact we have done nothing to curb our overspending; There is 0% chance we survive Obama for another four years under the Constitution, and really only about a 2% chance that we do with any of the Republicans.

So that's what we are playing for that 2% of almost nothing for hope; That you are clinging to and inflating it to be more than it is.

Don't worry once you  lose all hope it will get easier. After the crushing sadness goes away.

196 192 Lacey come to Team Meteor we have stompy boots and cookies.

Hmm. Perhaps. Anyway I can get a cupcake rather than cookies?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2012 12:45 PM (pLTLS)

Cake or Death?

197 I really would not worry...

This was a very misleading statement, Romeo!

!!!!!!!!!!!!

198

“My opinion is..." --Sarah Palin

 

Let me stop you, right there, sugartits.

 

199

@145 

He has spent 70 million of his own dollars to date. He is the guy this cycle.

70M of his own money in this economic enviroment, I am sure that will endear him with the electorate.  Kind of like how did the perception buying an election with her own money work out for Meg's run for CA Gov?

200 What, you think he isn't bought and paid for like everyone else?

Undoubtedly.  However I rather doubt its a "smoky back room" Cabal of fiscal conservative shadow players who have Romney in their pocket based on his track record.

201 Then Axelrod and co will make him out to be the perfect Hollywood capitalist villain, complete with slick look and dead puppies under the floorboards and live puppies in a 'strap-on' rooftop carrier. Mitt's people have to figure out a way to counter this NOW. Oh, and Mitt has to grow a thicker skin.

Posted by: joncelli at January 09, 2012 12:45 PM (RD7QR)

202

Not even Buddy Roemer? He's polling better than Perry there.

Yes, really.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2012 12:46 PM (pLTLS)

since you gave me an open line to do so, i'll be blunt in a pro-Perry blog, Perry tommorow will finish dead last among the major candidates, I mean it'll be a sad thing to watch. Hunstman will do better.

203 The AP twitter guy about to be fired.

Tweet: 25-year-old described as an Islamic extremist is arrested in a plot to attack sites around Tampa, feds say: http://apne.ws/wVbACY

AP headline: 25-year-old man arrested by feds in Fla. bomb plot

The article is almost as neutered as the headline.

204
Obama is dressing up in a Mad Hatter's costume and we're sitting here worried that Mitt Romney is not down with redundancy.

wooohoooo!

205 Actually when was the last time a businessman got elected president?

Carter?

206 Mendozaaaaaaaaa !!!!!

207 There was nothing "dumb" about what Romney said.  Why would we buy in to the narrative of the left?  You don't think there are tons of soundbites floating around from Santorum and Newt that could be used against them?

208 Palin has a severe allergy to anything Presidential. She won't endorse anyone, unless she gets that desperately needed spine transplant.

209 finish dead last among the major candidates

Well he was never going to play well in NH anyway. Apparently Santorum is out in NH and has moved on to SC as well.

210
There is no way Romney already spent $70M.

Where did that come from?

211 DrewM.  This is that last time - Get in the fuckin' kennel, already!

212
If you think somehow Romney will be liberal in spite of the current house and senate leadership, you are an idiot.

Damn straight, I'll keep Romney in line. Remember you can count on me to fight to the bitter end.

Hey does anyone else smell ribs? I definitely smell them. BRB.

213 I think I need to stop posting altogether.  I'm too angry.

214 Palin is in it for reality shows and celebrity status. Anyone who still believes otherwise is a dolt.

215 When you're down-in-the-dumps about our candidates, just remember  Moochelle and her Halloween party.

216 Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have an the leader of our country someone who knows when it's best to cut and run rather than waste hundreds of billions of dollars on enterprises that have no hope of succeeding and never did to begin with.  Yep - Bain Capital broke apart failing companies and sold their parts.  Yep - some people lost their jobs over that.  Yep - the business world is frequently a dispassionate and cold world. 

Obama spent hundreds of million on Solyndra, and wanted to invest more, when he knew full well that it would never succeed.  Assuming no malfeasance on Obama's part, which may be a stretch, Obama was so enamored with Solyndra's potential that he ignored its realities and cost us nearly a billion dollars.

We need a President who can separate himself from his emotions and do what needs to be done, even if that is painful. 

217 Posted by: jwest at January 09, 2012 12:46 PM (FdndL)
Such an accurate ad would be vilified as RAAACIST before it ever aired!

218 I think I need to stop posting altogether. I'm too angry. Posted by: Jeff B. at January 09, 2012 12:51 PM (2I4Tp) Suicide an option?

219 @221 What Halloween Party, never heard of it.

220 219 I think I need to stop posting altogether.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 09, 2012 12:51 PM

I think I need to stop posting

221
70M of his own money in this economic environment, I am sure that will endear him with the electorate.

This is the kind of thinking that helps us lose.

222 >>Don't worry once you  lose all hope it will get easier.

_{Someone's been watching Band of Brothers.} 

223 EM All the people associated with winning fundraising and winning elections on the republican side have chosen Mitt. So all the Bush RINOs, great. I thought I saw some losers from McCain jumping on board as well.

224 Can't agree with you. There were plenty of people who knew how badly the SCoaMF would do -- as far back as 2008 -- but they were drowned out by the President Historic First© bullshit and the Polite Conservatives who felt that we could somehow smother him with niceness.

It was expected he would be bad, but I don't think many people expected him to do so well at being enormously, colossally bad. Those who came closest are those who are regularly derided as "True Conservatives" and "Purists" and they have very little influence.

225 The country needs people who take over rotten companies and break them up. Those people should not expect to be popular or elected President.

226   I'm too angry.

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 09, 2012 12:51 PM (2I4Tp)

 

He's gonna go cry in the car.

 

227
So that's what we are playing for that 2% of almost nothing for hope; That you are clinging to and inflating it to be more than it is.

/Looks at Mitt's standings in the primary polls.

Uh, aren't you being wildly optimistic about the 2% part?

228 Ronnie would punch Mitch McConnell in the mouth.

229

Such an accurate ad would be vilified as RAAACIST before it ever aired!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 09, 2012 12:52 PM (i3+c5)

 

You think we might lose the black vote?

230 _{Someone's been watching Band of Brothers.} 

Posted by: ontherocks at January 09, 2012 12:53 PM (HBqDo)

No, somebody had sunday afternoon tea with my mother...

231 >>I think I need to stop posting altogether.  I'm too angry.

Do some pushups and crunches and it will all go away for a few minutes

232

 jwest at January 09, 2012 12:46 PM

That would make a very killer ad.

233

What Halloween Party, never heard of it.

Rumor has it there was a wookie at the party.

234 I don't suppose Mitt will take my advice, but my response would be "I'm just the guy to take over the government and start downsizing by handing out pink slips to overpaid, unnecessary federal employees."

235

168 ....The left has been organizing to fight him for a couple of years now. Everything from the occupoopers to the new Wall Street movie are aimed at taking down a fat cat Republican.

Exactly. That's what I've been saying too. .....It's not just that latest Wall Street movie either, 'The Company Men' is playing now on Showtime. Same theme --- evil corporate downsizers.

It's a common theme, a current narrative, right now....throughout the airwaves of media & entertainment.

So how is it smart to pick the candidate who will be used as the poster boy for the evil 1%-ers?

236 I'm watching "Trains, Plains, and Automobiles" on TV and it's much more fun than this election

237 @206 - All the bundlers and fundraisers will have their say. You don't raise say... 800 million dollars for an election without owing some favors. You don't get the "it's your turn in line nod" Republicans dole out without owing somebody. Romney will not have the political strength or goodwill to be a "liberal" as the president. He will not be able to be independent unless he manages some BIG wins. He will, be a candidate who drives economic policy, signs whatever juicy social con stuff comes to his desk and who takes his leads on most things from the people who got him elected, which for better or for worse, is the republican establishment.

238

Team Mitt here?  Nope.  Not even close.  Will I hold my nose and vote for him against Sir Putts?  Yeah, I guess so. 

It's pretty sad.  The Dems can go to the polls cheering on their chocolate jesus.  We have to go to the polls with our heads hung down holding our noses.

Is Mitt the most electable?  I don't think so for the simple reason that the left and MSM want him.  He's been the one who's been sheltered in this whole process.  He's been the golden boy who's gotten the kid gloves treatment so far.  To me, that's very telling.  The media did the same thing with our good friend McCain. 

The "most electable" mantle should be a reverse barometer for anyone who's paying attention.

Tebow/Rubio 2012

239 Don't know if it's been mentioned but just saw a tweet that sources say Palin will endorse Gingrich.

240 You're taking this very personal. This is business and Jeff B. is taking it very, very personal.

241 @242 Great movie, in my all-time top 5.

242 So all the Bush RINOs, great. I thought I saw some losers from McCain jumping on board as well.

Posted by: Jean at January 09, 2012 12:53 PM (WkuV6)\

Friends, Barack Obama is someone we don't need to fear. Just like my esteemed colleague Mitt Romney, and even though I beat the living tar out of him in 2008, I'm sure he has a fine shot at winning and implementing the kind of conservative policies he embraces, like socialized healthcare.

243
If you think somehow Romney will be liberal in spite of the current house and senate leadership, you are an idiot.
Posted by: E.M. August




So true.  How could Mitt go astray under the steely-eyed gaze of Mitch McConnell or the firm hand of John "The Rock of Piqua" Boehner.

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Rumor has it there was a wookie at the party.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 09, 2012 12:55 PM (6BgmB)

And Chewbacca was there too!

245 @229 - so what, you would rather Mitt not be supported by the people that know how to win elections? Or you would rather we run a candidate that will get his ass beat by Obama but hey, at least he was, pure.. well, purer? I dunno.. I am not an ideologue but I am a winner. Maybe this is why I am at odds with lots of people around here.

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So how is it smart to pick the candidate who will be used as the poster boy for the evil 1%-ers?

Posted by: wheatie at January 09, 2012 12:56 PM (oPkw3)

Its brilliant! He didn't scare a single one of my pals, and they normally get the vapors when they hear the word Republican! And hey, have you checked out his pants? O...M...G!

247 Watching Mitt at a NH town hall. He just said to a senior about Medicare, "it's a great program".

So, you know...Mr. Conservative.

248 The Neshaminy School District (PA) teachers are on strike as of today. On their rolls they a 39 year old teacher who worked for 10 years and then retired. She was then eligible for full retirement benefits, a $27,500 retirement bonus and full health benefits (no co-pays or premiums) for herself, her spouse and her children until they reach 65/ the children reach age 27. The school district ranks 234th of 683 schools in PA. Of course, teachers can't be fired.

I want a candidate that talks about how this cannot go on, it is unsustainable.

249 81 Rick Perry is gonna drop out in the next few days.

Newt is finished the day after SC.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 09, 2012 12:12 PM (G/zuv)

 

 

 

Highly doubtful.  Newt doesn't seem like the type to give up so easily.  He's going to be in there until Super Tuesday at least.

250 Posted by: KimS at January 09, 2012 12:51 PM (eicOh)
Another difference is that in the case of Bain's operations, people at specific companies were adversely impacted if the business model of the company was so bad that the company was worth more as individual pieces on the auction block. The total population, however, was not overly impacted by this.
In the case of the no job left behind argument, all employees of  Solyndra, Government Motors, etc. should be placed in a never fire category so they do not suffer for the incompetence of the company.  The source of funds for the life-time jobs model can only be the government via the taxpaying base and thus all taxpayers are very much impacted and in an adverse manner.  This is much worse to me than having a small number of employees placed in a bad situation (and I do not wish that situation on anyone).

251

vote your candidate in the primary. Vote the nominee in the general.

It really is this f'n simple people.

252 If like who my daddy picks like isn't the candidate guy, I'll stomp my feet!!!

253 Don't know if it's been mentioned but just saw a tweet that sources say Palin will endorse Gingrich.

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2012 12:56 PM (X6akg)

Today?

254 John "The Rock of Piqua" Boehner.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 09, 2012 12:58 PM (3wBRE)

So the scary part is Boehner would be the strongest conservative of the three by a long stretch. Remember how he wouldn't budge on the budget until he got $2M in real cuts? Of course this is after Obama added $1T to the budget...

255 I am not an ideologue but I am a winner. Maybe this is why I am at odds with lots of people around here.

Posted by: E.M. August at January 09, 2012 12:59 PM (zeBNm)

And thats why you support a candidate who has never one a majority in any election he actually ran in. I see...

256 Don't know if it's been mentioned but just saw a tweet that sources say Palin will endorse Gingrich. Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2012 12:56 PM (X6akg) TODD Palin just endorsed him

257

Romney's work for Bain Capital deserves this and even greater levels of scrutiny, firms like Bain Capital don't produce things, they are the economic equivalent of a plague of locust.

258 Sarah Palin’s husband is endorsing Newt Gingrich for president, Todd Palin told ABC News today. But Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor and John McCain’s 2008 Republican running mate, has yet to decide “who is best able to go up against Barack Obama,” Todd Palin said. Palin said he has not spoken to Gingrich or anyone from the former House speaker’s campaign. But he said he respects Gingrich for what he went through in the 1990s and compared that scrutiny in public life to what Sarah Palin went through during her run for the vice presidency. Todd Palin said he believes that being in the political trenches and experiencing the highs and lows helps prepare a candidate for the future and the job of president. He did not criticize any of the other candidates and said his “hat is off to everyone” in the Republican race.

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You know if Romney did have such milquetoast, all things to all people tendancies he could actually use this to his advantage.

After all, our government is one of the most overstaffed bureaucracies in the world, and is absolutely suffocating the private sector. I think most Americans would WANT someone in charge who likes to fire people.

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70M of his own money in this economic environment, I am sure that will endear him with the electorate.

This is the kind of thinking that helps us lose.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 09, 2012 12:53 PM (G/zuv Don't get me wrong, I will hold my nose and vote for any of them (sans Luap Nor) come November, but perception is reality, and there is a percentage of people who will be turned off by that (if as you noted earlier it is in fact accurate)

261   I don't dislike Mitt, but I am disappointed in a critical time such as this we really need someone that won't reach across the aisle so much, we need strong leadership. We are told week after week by those in the know we are almost certainly financially wrecked if a Turn Around Isn't completed quickly. But we are told to vote for someone that implemented mass care , the same type of gvt intrusion and financial risk as many of Obamas legislation.
I don't blame Mitt for running a better campaign I do however blame Media for holding their hand to finish Him off (possible?)after He is our candidate.
really piss'd at Perry who had it in his hand and screwed it up.

262 Jon Huntsman is the only reasonable and non-extreme candidate available. Anyone else is extremist and will be the death of the GOP

Once I get my workstation setup and my parking pass from Tina at Daily Beast, the millions of readers will see the wisdom I'm imparting

Hey, how come Meghan gets a Handicapped parking spot?!!?

263 many=much

264 @261 - not sure who you support but I feel confident that it is either a man who was once the most hated man in politics or a man who happens to be yet another Texas Republican, just what the electorate is pining for.

265 Or you would rather we run a candidate that will get his ass beat by Obama but hey, at least he was, pure.. well, purer?

If the objective is solely to beat Obama, why not draft Hillary Clinton? If Republicans supported her, she would be guaranteed to win.

For myself, I don't care a lot about Obama, I want to beat his policies, and replacing one liberal (Obama) with another (Clinton, Romney) does not accomplish that goal.

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The whole Mitt candidacy is based on emotion.

No, really!  Mitt can best be summed up, emotionally, as calm and safe.  That's his message, that's his advantage over the other R candidates.  At least with 25% of the voters, it is. 

Let Paul have his nuts.  Let Perry have the people who like to shoooooot guns!  Let Newt have the neurotics, and Santorum have the holy rollers (don't hate my characterizations, I know these are oversimplifications), Mitt gets the "normals."

It's gonna work too, at least in the nomination process, but don't think his opponents in the fall won't be able to hang emotionally charged albatrosses around his neck, because they will.

267 @261 - not sure who you support but I feel confident that it is either a man who was once the most hated man in politics or a man who happens to be yet another Texas Republican, just what the electorate is pining for.

Posted by: E.M. August at January 09, 2012 01:06 PM (zeBNm)

That sounds about right

268 We need to choose carefully. We are picking who will run against America's first black President. This is not a decision to be taken lightly. Our children's grandchildren will read about this election. More importantly, after Obama wins he will be impeached. So they'll probably read about that too.

269 Oh, I forgot Huntsman!  "Hi, I'm Jon The Huntsman, sure I'm Mitt-lite, but I can speak Chinese and he can't!" 

270
Our children's grandchildren will read about this election.
Posted by: Joffen




Personally, I intend to write-in vote for Romulus Augustulus....

271 Everybody back off and give Jeff B. an emoticon of privacy so he can collect himself.

272 More importantly, after Obama wins he will be impeached. So they'll probably read about that too.

Posted by: Joffen at January 09, 2012 01:08 PM (zLeKL)

Wont happen. 3 words: President Joe Biden.

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So in a jobs & Obamacare election, the "inevitable" nominee made his $ eliminating jobs & his signature legislation is state health care

Ya gotta hand it to the GOP!

274

Arrgh.

I'm in NH.  I vote in the primary tomorrow.  I don't want to vote for any of the candidates.  What the hell am I going to do? 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2012 12:44 PM (4df7R

Live Free or Die - vote Perry.

275 Mitt sent me a request to join his Presidential Campaign Team (and give money).
I wrote back in red marker: "If I could believe a word you said, you'd be a great candidate. Sorry, I'm for PERRY."

276 >>3 words: President Joe Biden.
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at January 09, 2012 01:13 PM (1PXIb)

_{When you were having tea with your mom did she happen to mention that you have a filthy mouth?}

277
If like who my daddy picks like isn't the candidate guy, I'll stomp my feet!!!
Posted by: Meghan McCain




"Hooves, dear.  Moo cows have hooves..."

278 Still undecided here. I'm really waiting for the GOP to decide who'll get the nod and I'll vote for them. Anyone's better than Bambi Teleprompter.

279

_{When you were having tea with your mom did she happen to mention that you have a filthy mouth?}

Posted by: ontherocks at January 09, 2012 01:16 PM (HBqDo)

Mother, is that you?

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It makes me laugh up my own vomit when these RINO GOP RINOs start talking about "jobs" and "electability" and such.  What in the hell do jobs and electability have to do with elections, you geeks??  Geez these RINOs are dumb.

Look, chumps, elections are real simpleton.  First you purge the GOP of all RINO GOP RINOs.  Then you bash the suits and other wimps on "Main Street" over the head with the single issue of abortion and the single issue of deporting every Mexican wherever you find them and spending less federal money, dammit.  Then you bask in the glory of being a true and pure conservative hero, like me.  If the RINO GOP RINOs nominate a RINO punk wimp then you send your message and prove your point by staying home and not voting in the general.  Duh.  Then you fire up Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and Michael Savage so they can explain to you how right you are and how wrong everyone else is. 

Perry is a RINO punk.  Romney is a RINO puke.  The Newt I like, but he's been too nicey, nicey for my tastes.  General Cain is my main man, but he was too smart for them suits on RINO Street.

I'll be writing in St. Sarah in my primary and then voting for Obama in November.  Better to have Obama in office so we can impeach him than to lose slower with a RINO GOP RINO holding the presidency and Cryin' Boehner and Mickey Mouse McConnell.

Palin-Angle-Buck-Miller-Paladino-Paul-O'Donnell, '16.

281 I've said it before repeatedly, and I will keep saying it:

Romney is NOT electable.

If he had any decent chance of winning, the liberal media would not be doing everything in their power to make sure he wins the nomination.  I'm convinced they want Romney to be the nominee because they think he will be the easiest one to beat.

282 Posted by: Norcross at January 09, 2012 01:34 PM (RM0br)
This is a thought that just keeps nagging at me in the background.  I know the establishment (MFM, RINO, and Dem) has NO interest in changing the state as it is, because it is working pretty well for them.  So I find it hard to believe that the MFM/Dem wing of the establishment would really be supportive of any candidate that would do more than be a caretaker President until they can get the next socialist ready to go.
From all the evidence I have seen, the RINO wing of the establishment is basically spineless, stupid, incompetent, and very comfortable skimming their percentage from the DC rackets .  So I find it hard to trust their electability arguments either.

283 If you can't fire, you can't hire--that's the euro-lesson.

284 I've said it before repeatedly, and I will keep saying it:

Romney is NOT electable.

If he had any decent chance of winning, the liberal media would not be doing everything in their power to make sure he wins the nomination.  I'm convinced they want Romney to be the nominee because they think he will be the easiest one to beat.

Posted by: Norcross at January 09, 2012 01:34 PM (RM0br)

They think so, but they are wrong.  They are living in a bubble of their own and cannot understand how much the rest of the country wants to get rid of the SCOAMF.  They didn't get it about Jimmy Carter in 1980 either. 

El President Downgrade can't get above 46% in a poll today against Rick Santorum!  What makes you think Romney won't beat him? 

285 Mitt sent me a request to join his Presidential Campaign Team (and give money). Flip it over, what does it say. Send money to Obama

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Yeah!  We want someone who is not afraid to fire people who are not competent for the job, who are not needed in the current business/government agency, and the petty tyrant bureaucrats trying to control our every breath (Educ Dept, EPA, NASA (James Hansen types), and so on and so on and so on.  Go Mitt, even if I am not voting for you until the end.  For me that means if/when Perry goes out.  (The latter has got to develop a better  campaign -- The Alamo?  FCS) 

The more vetting the better; the stronger the charge or complaint the better.  The eventual candidate must answer, or apologize, and, of course, turn it to his advantage.  Like Romney's "I like to fire people."  Go Gingrich.  Go Santorum.  Go Perry.  Go Huntsman.  Go Paul.  Make whoever comes out on top of the primaries have earned his time in the sun.  Let Mitt feel all the pink slips we wish we could give him.  Answer the charges, dammit.  Then let us all work like there is no tomorrow (maybe true?) for the nominee.

287

Mitt Romney will never get my vote.

Go Newt, Gingrich, Perry

or

Go Rubio, Palin

288

Mitt Romney will never get my vote.

Go Newt, Gingrich, Perry

or

Go Rubio, Palin

289 " maybe Mitt's going to be able to be a great ambassador"

Works for me.  Anything to keep another liberal out of the White House.

290 @290

El President Downgrade can't get above 46% in a poll today against Rick Santorum!  What makes you think Romney won't beat him? 

Posted by: rockmom at January 09, 2012 01:44 PM (NYnoe)

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Because Mittens Oba-romney can't get above 20 - 25% of Republicans outside of his current polling in the ultra-liberal NE.

291 DrewM, Ace, etc. Romney's time at Bain is something easily spinnable to a win. To counter any negative crap, like Debbie Wasserman-Schultz tried, with a direct comparison of what Obama did at Soylendra with what Romney did at Bain, it works immensely in Romney's favor, and immensely against Obama. Romney invested in companies in a free market system. They exchanged a portion of the ownership for the capital. Romney and teams then tried very hard to increase the value of the company for the owners, which created jobs. Sometimes it didn't work, and the companies failed. But it worked more often than it failed (only a blithering idiot would ask why or how we know this). American jobs were created. Value was produced. Taxes paid. Obama invested in ideologically sound but fundamentally financially flawed companies, with little to no hope of economic success. These companies pushed a particular politically sound button (green), and yet were being set to be devastated in the market by cheaper alternatives from foreign producers. No net jobs were created, net jobs were destroyed. No shareholder value (us) was created, tax revenues were lost. This is a very ... VERY ... strong argument for Romney. Obama knows he doesn't want to go there. Vet it if you want. The argument that he closed businesses in a tough economy (wasn't there in this recession) won't hold water, and will be easy to deflect. This said, look very carefully at the remaining field. We have maybe one other possibly viable contender, and he is something of a grenade launcher/flame thrower when you get him started. We have two Texans, one wearing a silver foil hat, and the other completely done in all but word (see how well the "re-invade Iraq" played out? No amount of spinning can help him ... game over). You have a social-con from PA who would be massacred by Obama ... lets not go there. You have a former member of the Obama administration ... Before you complain on the "inevitable" candidate, identify an anti-Romney whom can actually withstand an Obama assault with MFM in tow. The mission is to fire SCOAMF. Which of these could do it? Real answers now. We know who is done. We know who hasn't a snowballs chance in Hell (Michigan, where it is somewhat warm today). The "inevitable" candidate is pretty much the only one with any realistic chance of beating SCOAMF. I like Newt. I really do. I'd like to see him as VP. But his negatives are simply too high. Like Palin, like Perry ... Come up with a better option who can beat SCOAMF (I mean really beat him, not in some orgasmic fantasy universe, but in the real one) that everyone can rally around. I don't see it. I really don't. And this doesn't indicate failure. It means if this is the hand you are dealt, then you play the most effective strategy.

292 That's a fantastic theory and creative destruction is a necessary part of a successful economy.

Great, so we're running Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg for President?  This is going to end well. 

293 Huntsman is growing on me: 
"What's clear is he likes firing people, I like creating jobs."

294 Malkin has a great column today on the OWS style anti-capitalist rhetoric being employed by some of the anti-Romneys. I couldn't agree with her more. Gingrich is turning my stomach on this stuff, and I've never been for Romney.

295 Of course everyone knows keeping lazy incompetent people on your payroll is the key to success...........so when the business can't remain competitive and goes out of business then everyone loses their job. you people are fucking stupid!

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