1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

2 OT  Some of my digging this morning

Hillary Rodham 92 page college thesis:

"There Is Only the Fight . . . ": An Analysis of the Alinsky Model"

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19734

3 What was Trayvon doing the moment he was shot?

4 Wait, I didn't see the Ewok signal yet this morning!

5 3 What was Trayvon doing the moment he was shot?

Posted by: eman at April 02, 2012 11:24 AM (SkRNT)

Dying

6 How come this "uniform" reasoning only applies to females not to young men who dress like thugs? NSFW

link to funnyordie - Dave Chappelle -"Whores Uniform"

http://tinyurl.com/6pq3d7x

7 If only this was actionable.

8 I'm sure that in the end, it will be revealed that either an intern who deliberately manipulated the audio track or they found absolutely no wrongdoing.

9 ...Libtards hardest hit.  And Ace BEFORE Noon???...Prepostermous!!!

10 And Ace BEFORE Noon???...Prepostermous!!!

Well, it's only a half hour before noon!

11 It's past noon in the Azores.

12 NBC is in CYA mode. ....Too late. It's already out there....like feathers in the wind.

13

The MFM framed these events in such a way to create immense pressure for the police to charge Jorge Z., and also to reawaken the white guilt that has gone dormant in light of Obama's dreadful "leadership". But the facts, they are pesky and inconvenient at times.

 

The feds and state prosecutors still haven't charged Zimmerman. They either are trying desperately to find some obscure loophole in fed/state law that will allow them to charge Mr. Z with murder, or they're just in overdrive making shit up to support a homicide charge. I don't think they want to offer the lynch mob a measly involuntary manslaughter rap.

14 NBC will find that a TEA Party spy infiltrated NBC and did the editing to make NBC look bad.

15 they so wanted zimmerman to be a white tea party extremist....just like jarod laughner.....

16

Whatever "journatists" can do to lie for Obama. They will do it.

No matter how dishonest and disgusting.

17 The MSM is nothing but a high tech lynch mob. They were with Clarence Thomas and they are now with Zimmermann

18 I really hope George Zimmerman sues them for millions.  This needs to be aired where no-one can miss it.

People trust "journalists" (I'm not sure why- it's not like we know them) to be honest and "fair."  Well, the price they should be paying for that is a much higher standard of honesty and "fairness."

Yet they are highly protected by the courts when they pull stunts like this.

19 The whole Trayvon Martin issue has been one giant case of media malpractice from the start.

20 Maybe some impromptu "I am Zimmerman" rallies will liven up the Summer?

21

Go check out mediate. Tommy Christopher is having a meltdown over this issue.

 

22 I just want to know when all the Black politicians decided they did not need the Hispanic vote.  I understand their first instinct to go all out for the "Justice Trayvon"schtick when they thought Zimmerman was some white guy of German descent, who was hopefully a Republican.  But, durn, if he didn't turn out to be an Hispanic Democrat!  There never has been much love lost between the Black brothers and the Brown brothers despite all the attempts by the dimocrats to woo the Hispanic vote.

23 Romney/Zimmerman 2012! Too soon?

24 You racists and your silly facts won't stop us.

25 I bet this story is one reason why NBC is having Sarah Palin guest on the Today show tomorrow.  They need a BIG distraction to divert attention from their fuck-uppery.  Palin will get them numbers they otherwise would never have seen.

26 The MSM sure showed their hand on this. I remember when the story broke even hannity came down on Zimmerman, until some truths came out. After all is said and done, i do hope Zimmerman is innocent after so much conservative political capital was spent on defending Jorge the Democrat.

27 cato great description....media malpractice.....

28 I know exactly what happened. They never bothered to listen to the original recording. They got the clip from Media Matters or JournoList and didn't bother to do any fact checking. Wasn't the exact same edited clip on ABC too?

29

Also I like the cropped photo of Zimmerman that shows him in what appears to be prison orange. 

 

I said in the thread below that I think that NBC has a problem with a defamation suit from Zimmerman.  If this can't withstand judgment on the pleadings and a motion for summary judgment, I can't imagine what would.  In that case, there needs to be an admission that the media (however that is determiend) is immune from such suits.

 

I am also interested in the decision by the college to remove him from registration.  Now that's a really fascinating problem.  It is an admission that Zimmerman's continued attendance is a danger not due to his actions but due to others.  That's a terrible precedent on heckler's veto grounds.  The flip side to that is that the college was opening itself up for liability based on a non-trivial possibility of collateral damage if someone took up the NBP on the bounty.  From a cold blooded economics standpoint, it's cheaper to defend one suit by Zimmerman than several suits if there was an incident.

 

30 The feds and state prosecutors still haven't charged Zimmerman.

I think they're stuck between a rock and a hard-place.  On the one hand, they probably know (even better than we "know" here on a blog) that they've got nothing that will hold up in court to convict- even on manslaughter charges.  On the other hand, they're feeling intense political pressure to bring charges against Zimmerman.  So what can they do?

I suspect they're following the best tactic they think they have at the moment- a "full and thorough investigation" which will, hopefully, take months.  They're hoping that by that time they'll either have enough for a conviction on something, or that the furor will have died down so they can quietly let it go without much political cost.

31 The MFM has never recovered from the fact that Zimmerman was not a Jew.

32 Said or unsaid, I heard the word "boy".

33 you guys are all racists. Trayvon was an innocent kid, and even if he wasn't -he's colored, he's allowed to steal!

34 5'9", not 5'7", just for the record.

The 17-year-old me was 20 pounds lighter than the 27-year-old me and could easily have kicked the 27-year-old me's ass.

35

Let's no absolve Zimmerman yet. Clearly he's getting a raw deal from the media who want their narrative to be true.

However, it's entirely possible that Zimmerman started a fight, began to lose and then shot Trayvon Martin. If that is the case, then he should be arrested and tried.

We shouldn't get on team Zimmerman just yet. He does seem like a bit of a weirdo and it's entirely possible that he is responsible for an unjustifiable homicide.  Wait for the facts to come in.

 

36 Maybe some impromptu "I am Zimmerman" rallies will liven up the Summer?

Posted by: eman at April 02, 2012 11:31 AM (SkRNT)

I think that while most people want to see justice done and this man receive the due process to which he is entitled, most people are edging back from full support of him in case new evidence comes to light that proves wrongdoing.

To get to the point where there are rallies in support, there will have to be an additional catalyst that is so outrageous that it removes this caution.

37 What's to investigate? They slimed the guy-- no doubt about it.

38 Wasn't the exact same edited clip on ABC too?

Yes, but later.  I think they got it from NBC.  There is good reason to believe that NBC had- or should have had- the full tape from Sanford PD.

39 Remember Amy Bishop?  I still have a screenshot of her rankyour professor rankings where her students discussed that she was a socialist and would talk to you about it after class.  Didnt matter the media still portrayed her that way.  Same thing with the nutjob marxists that flew the plane into the IRS building.

Progs with weapons.  You should all feel uneasy with this.  Don't confuse desperate authoritarians and hyper-stimulated/race-baited Pavlovians for pot smoking hippies.

"Progressives, itÂ’s time to go buy your guns."

http://tinyurl.com/7auzz6h

40 I suspect they're following the best tactic they think they have at the moment- a "full and thorough investigation" which will, hopefully, take months. They're hoping that by that time they'll either have enough for a conviction on something, or that the furor will have died down so they can quietly let it go without much political cost. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 11:33 AM (8y9MW) Haven't the prosecutors effectively punted on this one and convened a Grand Jury?

41

>>Remember Amy Bishop?

 

It's Dr.Amy Bishop mother fucker.

42

They are supporting the narrative.

They keep pouring gasoline on the fire with false and misleading "facts" and "news."  I suppose they hope for a blow up and a few riots.  Look what happened in 1965-1968, and in LA after the Rodney King riots.  Then everyone will be glued to their TV sets to see what happens, "If it bleeds it leads!"

Their audiences will go up, except for those that are being beaten, shot, raped and robbed in the riots that they are fanning the flames for.  But think of all the follow up stories on the suffering that a few riots will create.  Burnt out neighborhoods, funerals and vigils for the dead, wiped out businesses, and grieving families.  WIN-WIN!

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43 I could've sworn I read about this on an Endor-related blog this weekend.

44 NBC and ABC have seen their news departments become one of their most financially lucrative departments.  In the past few years both networks have expanded prime time "news" offerings significantly.  NBC has "Prime Time" a couple times a week, and ABC has a bunch as well.

The point is they have taken a "news" department and made it entertainment oriented with programs geared to be sensational and to grab a big audience.

They don't seem to know the difference any longer between entertainment and real news.

45 We shouldn't get on team Zimmerman just yet. He does seem like a bit of a weirdo and it's entirely possible that he is responsible for an unjustifiable homicide.

Indeed, it's possible, but it's becoming less and less likely with every new revelation.  And, from the beginning, we knew that everywhere we could immediately test the truth of Zimmerman's claims, that Zimmerman had been found to be telling the truth.  That gives him a lot of benefit of the doubt on the claims which cannot be immediately verified.

46 Ace, who the hell are you fighting with on Twitter?

47

20 Maybe some impromptu "I am Zimmerman" rallies will liven up the Summer?

 

I hope not. ....That would play right into the hands of the leftist media....they would portray it as "groups of gun-toting racists rally for Zimmerman".

 

I'd rather see some "I am Breitbart" rallies.

 

This whole thing started with Breitbart saying that "This time, Obama will be vetted"....and the tapes of Barky's racist obsession with Bell's Critical Race Theory. .....Team Barky was tasked with showing how 'racism still exists', so they jumped on this Trayvon© Story to do just that.

48 I suspect they're following the best tactic they think they have at the moment- a "full and thorough investigation" which will, hopefully, take months. They're hoping that by that time they'll either have enough for a conviction on something, or that the furor will have died down so they can quietly let it go without much political cost. or they're hoping another case pops up with an authentic white killer.

49

The MFM has never recovered from the fact that Zimmerman was not a Jew.

 

Winner winner chicken dinner! That was one of my first thoughts, betcha Sharpton et al saw the name Zimmerman and assumed he was Jewish.

50 This same newsrag insisted that the SCOAMF was the most brilliant President in history, so yeah, I question their accuracy.

51 It's old  http://minx.cc/?post=328021

52 "News" has gone from a service to a promotional tool.

One can argue it was never really a service.  It's just gotten far more blatant in its own self-promotion and ideological bias.

53 "So, they've made a public statement that they're trying to find out how this happened." I know! I know! (Bouncing up and down in desk, and waving raised hand)

54 Anecdote: one time when IM'ing with an old friend who had gone from a beautiful (and sexy) life filled catholic to a radical socialist during college,  I mentioned I assumed she was a "help the poor" type not the "blood in the streets" type... she responded "well how else are you going to get it done?"

55 They lie. They also suck cock, but mainly they lie.

56

"NBC is in CYA mode. ....Too late. It's already out there....like feathers in the wind." Posted by: wheatie

 

Anybody got some hot tar?

57

This goes on and on. Virtually everything that has come out since the media initially poked the hornets' nest with their biased reporting has contradicted the Trayvon as saintly victim/Zimmerman as white racist thug template.

 

They are doing a little backing and filling now, but the damage is already done. The Justice for Trayvon rallies and the New Black Panther bounty on Zimmerman are in place and ongoing. Tens of millions have the preferred media  template in place in their minds as "the facts".  They are not AoS or National Review readers. They are part of the 52% that elected Obama, and their view of the template the MSM hammered into place will not really be changed by a few non-apologies buried on a back page at this stage, for example:

 

 "As purveyers of objective facts and news that you count on, we could have done more, perhaps, to have published tapes that had more comprehensive editing and more current pictures of the victim and the vigilante. But to the shame of everyone in America, the core truth of the virulent racism and how it has led to the alienation of much of our society remains. Obama/Biden 2012."

58 *cough*

59 Sarah Palin snuck off to the bathroom and into the editing room when she was given a tour of the studios, prior to her gig.

60 I don't want us to go all-in for Zimmerman, certainly not at this point.  It is possible to be skeptical of the MBM reporting without wedding ourselves to someone who may be rightly guilty of manslaughter.

If you lionize Zimmerman before all of the facts are known, it puts you in a funny place where you have to believe ever more incredible scenarios to show that you've been right all along and you have the "narrative" correct.  See, for example, pandagon/feministe with regard to the Duke rape hoax.  The bloggers and commentors at those sites still insist that "something [in the nature of rape] happened on that night." 

I say keep the pressure on the MBM to tell the whole truth without getting wed to Zimmerman.  

61 Bam has to be pissed nobody's taking his hate-bait.

62 Its Bush's fault

63 54 Anecdote: one time when IM'ing with an old friend who had gone from a beautiful (and sexy) life filled catholic to a radical socialist during college, I mentioned I assumed she was a "help the poor" type not the "blood in the streets" type... she responded "well how else are you going to get it done?"


I have a Russian friend who says the same thing.  He says that the real leftwing should be feared and not mocked as the lazy, pot-head, layabout hippies that everyone seems to stereotype.  The real left, and he would know, are absolutely bloodthirsty and will kill you and the people next to you when the day finally comes.

64 61"Bam has to be pissed nobody's taking his hate-bait. Posted by: The International at April 02, 2012 11:42 AM (xXhWA)" Seems women are...fail!

65 Re him being expelled from Seminole State College (which seems to be a public community college, therefore tax-payer subsidized), I can't find any legitimate grounds based on their own student code of conduct. Moreover, he was entitled to a hearing. http://tinyurl.com/cjyrvpn I have major qualms about the events transpired that night and still think he may be civilly liable, but I certainly think he is entitled to due process. 'Hope he sues the ever-loving shit out of the folks who are trying to destroy his life.

66 Has there been a single point where Zimmerman's account of the incident has been contradicted by evidence?

67 There is a lady in my office who sums it all up as "George Zimmerman never should have gotten out of the car.  That poor boy is dead.  If he hadn't gotten out of the car Trayvon would still be alive."  The middle part doesn't matter apparently.

68 "19 The whole Trayvon Martin issue has been one giant case of media malpractice from the start." And we saw how well that worked out with the Atlanta Olympics bombing, and the Duke LaCrosse team. Maybe they should find some stripper to make up fake rape charges against Zimmerman.

69 Yeah, when you look at the vids that have come out, you're left with the question as to where  Mr. Zimmerman is hiding those extra 70 or so lbs. 

70 It was Old Man Gibbons, the Night Watchman at the Amusement Park!

71 As a moron noted over the weekend, is there any evidence that Martin even went to the 7-11?

72 It's just a wild coincidence that the editing "errors" always serve to advance the narrative.

73 I bet Trayvon would still be alive if he hadn't jumped Zimmerman too. Tsk. So many choices. I guess jumping Zimmerman wasn't his fault. It was an accidental jump. Maybe his hoodie caught in the wind and propelled him around and backwards onto George.


They should contact Mike Nifong. He's really good at evidence theories.

74 71

Those are surveillance tapes they probably don't want shown.

75 So he's a 5' 7" Hispanic Democrat?  Man, how wrong can they be and still keep their "credentials"?

76 Remember all the stories claiming George Zimmerman was 220 pounds? Or "at least 240 pounds?" Among the many narratives being pushed here was that the 6'2" Trayvon Martin was an Emo Waif and the 5'7" Zimmerman was a brutish hulk.

But our CSI watching forensics experts who come on here say it's not so! Their proof gathered on Facebook means GZ should be rotting in jail now !!!11!!!

That's the difference between being tried in the MBM and being tried in court.

Witnesses and "experts" don't have to be sworn in, are cross-examined, and often even eliminated from testimony in evidential hearings. Countering experts and witnesses are also brought in

Also, there's no perjury charges for lying to news consumers

77 Has there been a single point where Zimmerman's account of the incident has been contradicted by evidence?

Posted by: toby928© at April 02, 2012 11:44 AM (GTbGH)

No

78

"They're hoping that by that time they'll either have enough for a conviction on something, or that the furor will have died down so they can quietly let it go without much political cost."

 

Partially true. I think even if "they" do not find anything substantive and even if the evidence is non-existent, there is enough political pressure that "they" will finally rationalize, "Gee, for justice to be served, we really need for the courts to decide this, it needs a full and fair hearing. After all, if Zimmerman is innocent, he will be exonerated."  Iron rails. Too much pressure.

79 MSM , I'm proud of what you've become.

80 Deja Vu:  http://tinyurl.com/4nuangm

81 I have no doubt Angela Corey is going to charge him to save her own political ass and stall the inevitable riot. She is trying to get around presenting it to the GJ because she must know that it is not slam dunk.

82 Let's no absolve Zimmerman yet. Clearly he's getting a raw deal from the media who want their narrative to be true. However, it's entirely possible that Zimmerman started a fight, began to lose and then shot Trayvon Martin. If that is the case, then he should be arrested and tried. We shouldn't get on team Zimmerman just yet. He does seem like a bit of a weirdo and it's entirely possible that he is responsible for an unjustifiable homicide. Wait for the facts to come in. Posted by: Ben at April 02, 2012 11:34 AM (wuv1c) Agreed, but conservatives came to his defense not because he is white / white hispanic/ hispanic but because of media bias. likely he and his family were never on our side.

83 71 As a moron noted over the weekend, is there any evidence that Martin even went to the 7-11?
Posted by: toby928© at April 02, 2012 11:48 AM

His family said so! Isn't that enough? EVERYBODY KNOWS he was there!!!111!!!!

84 Damn, I never could have gotten away with this shit.

85

How can we keep shutting you conservative t-baggers up by calling you 'racist', if we don't create some evidence of how dangerous you gun-toting racists are?!

86 A free citizen of the United States of America should not be forced to go into hiding for his life because of stories from the media.

Still to this point I have not yet heard anything from the White House or the Justice Department that sounds like they want the jackals to back off  and let law enforcement proceed on the facts of the case.  Maybe I missed it.

87 The middle part doesn't matter apparently.

This is what angers me, actually- somehow Zimmerman is "wrong" for engaging in completely legal behavior.  Indeed, if Trayvon were (as Zimmerman seems to have suspected) a burglar casing a mark, and had then broken in and happened to injure or kill someone, we'd be saying, "He was seen by a Neighborhood Watch Captain- why didn't he do more?"

The evidence currently at our disposal suggests he was behaving as he believed most appropriate in light of: previous recent burglaries, what he perceived as suspicious behavior on the part of Trayvon, the fact Trayvon met the general description of that burglary suspect.

It's easy, in retrospect, to say it was bad judgement to get out of the truck.  I'm not so sure it was.

88 If there was just some sort of explanation. Perhaps some sort of motive to actually change the tape. Oh well, we can't find one, it must have been just a random case of bad editing. Funny coincidence huh?

89 The real left, and he would know, are absolutely bloodthirsty and will kill you and the people next to you when the day finally comes.
Posted by: EC
..........
Not today's left.  There's maybe a handful like that in the whole country.  They just don't have the balls for it.  They have been sissified and pussified by the very nanny state they have created.

The morons that made up Occupy Wall St. are about as radical left as they get.

Let's see what happens here in Chicago at the NATO summit.  But, I doubt it will amount to much.

90 86 mama winger and you won't.....it doesn't serve their agenda.....

91  

 

  Nope, you haven't missed it mama . Instead they are doubling down sending out the big guns like Biden and Billy Clinton to demand more gun control in the name of "justice."

92 I know liberals that are starting to question the MSM's "integrity". They still are mentally damaged, but are treating the news more like those email urban legends they keep getting. The dumbasses still forward them on, they just don't reply violently when you debunk them.

93 I told someone last week that the Trayvon case would last about two weeks before it was dropped by the media.  It looks like they're on track for that.

94 The NBC edits almost gives the impression that there is a coordinated effort underway to deliberately and dishonestly mislead Americans and stoke the flames of this racial “crisis.” Almost.

95

“When anybody preaches disunity, tries to pit one of us against the other through class warfare, race hatred, or religious intolerance, you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom and destroy our very lives….”

 

http://is.gd/KCzk7V

96 I do, however, have the concern that after months of hammering false information like the NBC edit, inflaming passions of "the community," they will try him and he will unable to find a fair and impartial jury.  Imagine being, say, one of three whites on that jury, and the intense pressure to be "one of the good ones" who does the right thing and convicts Zimmerman, law and evidence be damned.

They have gotten the mob so riled up that I fear the only thing that can sate it is Zimmerman's blood. 

97 >>>71 As a moron noted over the weekend, is there any evidence that Martin even went to the 7-11? The freepers had a thread comparing what the parents have said & their inconsistencies. In one story, the kid is begging to be allowed to go to the store for skittles and IT. [eyeroll] He and his gf went out to dinner and from what I can tell they left him alone. They did not drop him off at the store and I can't believe that a kid would walk 0.7 miles in the rain for candy. That's where the skittles story comes from.

98 a serious question: is noting that 3% of the population commits 30% of the crime a legitimate statement or is it racist?

99 Does anyone know the provenience of the Skittles and Tea story?  They are not mentioned in the original police report, obviously, since it was a couple of days before Martin's family noticed that he was missing.  Were the items inventoried at the morgue?

100 Mwaaa Haaa Haaa.  What if this is a sinister plot to get rid of Al Sharpton from MSNBC?  Get Sharpton all riled up, get him out of the office and setting Sharpton loose on this race hating escapade can not end well.  Resist WE MUCH! 

101 Since NBC is in an investigatory mood, maybe it could look into who cropped the picture of the black rifle-carrying Tea Partier so it supported MSNBC's bullshit meme about Tea Partiers being white, armed, dangerous racists.

102 3 I told someone last week that the Trayvon case would last about two weeks before it was dropped by the media. It looks like they're on track for that i thought that last week but its now on auto pilot

103 Alright already!  I did it, I edited the tape.  Happy now? 

104

is noting that 3% of the population commits 30% of the crime a legitimate statement or is it racist?

 

Facts are racist. As is math.

105 Courage!

106

re 67. There is a lady in my office who sums it all up as "George Zimmerman never should have gotten out of the car. That poor boy is dead. If he hadn't gotten out of the car Trayvon would still be alive." The middle part doesn't matter apparently.

One (very offensive) reply to that statement is it sounds like, "she should not have been wearing a short skirt, she was just asking to be raped."

We do not know if George Zimmerman did any thing wrong.  Should he have just cowered in his house ignoring what was happening in HIS neighborhood?

 

107 As a moron noted over the weekend, is there any evidence that Martin even went to the 7-11?

Posted by: toby928© at April 02, 2012 11:48 AM

I was wondering that. We only "know" he went to the 7-11 because that's what his family was claiming. That's between half mile to a mile walk in the rain when it's getting dark, and TM lived 250 miles away from Sanford and wouldn't know the area well. According to the family he went to the store to get Skittles for his brother at halftime of a basketball game on tv

108 Jeez--just saw this now-- ABC is saying "enhanced video shows injury-might support Zimmerman's claims." http://tinyurl.com/72m3d6l

109

Even some of the wags on Fox have been talking about that "radical stand-your-ground law".....as though it is some sort of 'open season' law that enables people to go on shooting rampages.

 

There is a reason why these 'stand-your-ground-laws' have been passed around the country. ....There is some cause and effect. It was the rampant violent crime that came first....then came the laws whereby people could defend themselves.

110

Trayvon fucked up and died. The Sharpton scenario is unraveling, thanks to a few conservative bloggers and, finally, the police department.

Yes, Zimmerman was beaten up and there's anple proof of that now. Martin didn't have a scratch.

The Orlando Sentinel hired some idiots to analyze the tape and determined that the screaming man was not Zimmerman. They had no recording of Martin. Total bullshit.

Who sounds exactly the same screaming as they do softly speaking, as he was on the other tape? Still, there was almost a 50% match.

111 31 The MFM has never recovered from the fact that Zimmerman was not a Jew Tea Part Republican.

FIFY.

112 It's obvious who did it. The only question is why did they think they could get away with it, and the answer to that is also obvious.

113 Not today's left. There's maybe a handful like that in the whole country. They just don't have the balls for it. They have been sissified and pussified by the very nanny state they have created.

The morons that made up Occupy Wall St. are about as radical left as they get.

Let's see what happens here in Chicago at the NATO summit. But, I doubt it will amount to much.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 02, 2012 11:54 AM (f9c2L)

I'm not so sure.  What we see down in the Occupy camps is only the 'front' that will die first by the thousands as fodder when revolution comes.  This is according to my Russian friend.  The real left, the ones with guns and know-how, will then move into play and start the party.

114 (Hey, Pixi or someone. I still can't use formatting at all  on Firefox, can someone look into that? Please? It works fine in preview, but when I post, it's not there.)

115 >>>The Orlando Sentinel hired some idiots to analyze the tape and determined that the screaming man was not Zimmerman. Actually, the main idiot was hired by the Martin family atty.

116 It works fine in preview

There's a preview??

117 The Orlando Sentinel hired some idiots to analyze the tape and determined that the screaming man was not Zimmerman. They had no recording of Martin.

More, Martin's own dad listened to the recording early on and said it wasn't his son.  Witnesses at the scene said it was Zimmerman screaming.  I think their "expert" is no such thing.

118 shibumi, That's a side-effect of ace having to remove formatting ability because of troll problems a couple of months ago.

119

Just One Minute is all over this.  HereÂ’s a comment from their thread concerning the “experts” who said that the screaming on the tape wasnÂ’t Zimmerman, but was TrayvonÂ…

 

Hmmm ...

Tom Owen. Is he really a "forensics expert?"

Well, no. He has a B.A. in History, not forensics.

Well, surely since he's an expert, he went to Harvard or Yale or Oxford, right?

Well, no he went to Bellarmine College in Kentucky. You've heard of Bellarmine College, right?

Well, but surely he's worked for the FBI or CIA as a forensics examiner?

No, but he did work for the New York Public Library in charge of their Rogers and Hammerstein archive.

But surely he's written some books about forensics that the FBI and CIA use, right?

No, but he has written extensively about the banjo and did a coloring book:

Tom Owen, Scaling the Fretboard (Chappell Music 1973)
Tom Owen, The Chord Coloring Book (Chappell Music 1974)
Tom Owen, Tenor Banjo (Chappell Music 1975)
Tom Owen, Lead Guitar (Chappell Music 1976)
Tom Owen, The Classic Blues Singers (Chappell Music 1977)

What about his wife Jennifer Owen ... surely she's a hotshot FBI forensics examiner, right?

No, she makes Powerpoint presentations and is a secretary with a political science degree, not a forensics degree.

But surely they have an advanced forensic acoustics laboratory where they conduct their forensic analysis right?

No, they just have a computer in the basement of their house in New Jersey right next to the railroad tracks.

But surely he's a member of the American Board of Recorded Evidence?

Yes, but he and his wife run the Board. He's the chairman, and she's a board member. The Board is run out of a weight-loss clinic in Springfield, Missouri along with a bunch of other dubious "boards," "colleges" and "Institutes."

American Board for Certification in Homeland Securityý - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MO
American Association for Integrative Medicine Inc - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MO
American College of Forensicý Examiners International - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MOC
College of Wellness - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MO
American Psychotherapy Association - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MO

There are no colleges or real boards here. There's a fat farm weight loss clinic at that location. They appear to have certified themselves experts by running this board themselves.

Now, let's examine the software they used to perform their analysis. How good is it?

Well, given two KNOWN samples of speech by President Richard M. Nixon, the software only matched two recordings to a 86% match.

Remember, Mr. Owen said he'd expect a 90% match before he concluded that the voices were identical. Although when he's testifying in murder cases, he claims a 68% match is enough to send someone to prison for the rest of their life (CT v Sheila Davalloo). Even in the software makers own demonstration of the product, using two KNOWN samples of speech from the same famous person, there was only an 86% match.

What about the algorithm they're using to make the comparison? How good is it? UNKNOWN. That's proprietary. They won't tell you what they're actually measuring.

What about the second "expert," Ed Primeau. Surely he was educated in forensics?

Nope. He was a Communication Major, like Katie Couric. Only he didn't graduate and was awarded no degree. He was a probation officer

Here's what he said: "I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau says, stressing that the tone of the voice is a giveaway. "That's a young man screaming."

And remember, there's allegedly NO AUDIO TO COMPARE OF TRAYVON's VOICE. But somehow, the second expert was able to match it even without any way to compare what he heard to a known recording of Trayvon Martin.

Posted by: someguy | April 2, 2012 at 1:30AM

120 re 67.There is a lady in my office who sums it all up as "George Zimmerman never should have gotten out of the car. That poor boy is dead. If he hadn't gotten out of the car Trayvon would still be alive." The middle part doesn't matter apparently.

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2012 11:59 AM

That's another "fact" that isn't so. GZ wasn't in his car when he made that 911 call, he was outside watching TM and was heading back to his car when the confrontation occurred

That's why we have courts of law, and people get upset at verdicts because they got all their "facts" from the MBM and Facebook

121 I agree with the commenters upthread about the aims of the left, the hardcore left.  If you're a repub with conservative leanings they want you dead,  or, at  least, shackled and put away......but they want you mostly dead.

122

Posted by: Avi at April 02, 2012 11:56 AM (J3gb4)

 

Well, if you were trying to get a college degree, I wouldn't bring that up in class...

123 jwest- good to see someguy is still punching up

124 All I know is that when I can finally make it through the day without hearing the name Trayvon Martin, I will do my happy dance.

125 "We do not know if George Zimmerman did any thing wrong. Should he have just cowered in his house ignoring what was happening in HIS neighborhood?"


The underlying theme of the "he should have stayed home/in his car" presumes both that 1) property crimes (which had been happening with apparent regularity in the community) are not serious crimes and that they don't lead to violent crimes, and that 2) only the police have an active role in observing/reporting crimes in progress. 

How long would the property crimes have happened before one of the thugs happened - wittingly or unwittingly - upon an occupied house, and the situation escalated?

Any cop will tell you that 99% of the time, their job starts after the crime has occurred.  Without witnesses, the chances of apprehending the theif/theives is infinitesimal, and you might as well leave your valuables on the front lawn. 

126 "That's a young man screaming."

At 27, Zimmerman's not exactly a codger.

127

>> I just want to know when all the Black politicians decided they did not need the Hispanic vote.

 

If only there was a word to describe one group having bad feelings about another group.

128

Hey NBC! I know someone that is interested in being your "investigator"...

129 Footage of Tom Owen playing the banjo as a kid - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8

130 ICE TEA, TEA PARTY, it all makes sense now.

131 @chi town Jerry, I live rural in a very conservative state and a fair amount of the giant trucks have Obama 2012 stickers.   All my neighbors but one that I know of are democrats.  Government/Union workers, Hispanics (spanish and black media is saturated with democrat propaganda)  In short and IMO, while you are really overlooking the Black, Hispanic, and Union muscle....  The white dog whistle blowers of the left..... have not.

132

>>Should he have
just cowered in his house ignoring what was happening in HIS
neighborhood?"

Well, yeh.

 

That's what we do.

133

Well, if some punk was casing my neighborhood where my kid was sleeping, I'd call the police and get out of the car as well.

Martin was caught at school with a screwdriver and a bag of women;s jewelry.

Sounds like a fucking thief to me....

134 question was trayvon on his way to the 711 or on his way home from the 711?

135 That complex has lots of other black people living in it from what I gather. Why did TM draw the attention of GZ? TM didn't live there and wouldn't be a familiar face to GZ.

If there was any profiling done by GZ, it was likely due to unfamiliarity, not race

136

108 Jeez--just saw this now-- ABC is saying "enhanced video shows injury-might support Zimmerman's claims."

 

 

http://tinyurl.com/72m3d6l

 

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Wow. You can clearly see the gashes and abrasions on the back of Zimm's head in that video. .....ABC is in CYA mode too now.

 

It's like some behind the scenes corporate lawyers at these networks have pointed out how badly these 'journalists' have screwed up....or something. 

137 135question

was trayvon on his way to the 711 or on his way home from the 711?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 02, 2012 12:08 PM (Ho2rs)

Supposedly, on the way home....but, I don't know for sure. Did they actually find skittles and iced tea on his person? Does anyone know?

138 It's only in recent years that the media have been biased.

139 he was on his way home......just went and read the time line.....

140 It's like somebehind the scenes corporate lawyers at these networks have pointedout how badly these 'journalists' have screwed up....or something.

Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2012 12:11 PM (+5U+B)

It's like their lawyers have decided that they don't want a multimillion dollar law suit.

141 Alec is 100% right. It does nothing for conservatives if we allow ourselves to be drawn into the liberal/media meme that this case represents race relations in the U.S.A., which is pure BS. The fact is that black people are not at an inordinate risk of being gunned down by racist Whites or Hispanics. People are most often killed by someone their own race. Taking Zimmerman's side and desperately trying to highlight anything that might make him look better and make Trayvon look bad when we just don't know yet only feeds into the us against them storyline the libs and their media are trying to create. Face facts, Zimmerman does not have a clean record and definitely sounds like he was racially profiling Trayvon (which is understandable, but because Trayvon was not actually doing anything wrong or illegal, still a judgement based on race not actions). No one, not even Zimmerman on the 911 call, can say they saw Trayvon doing anything illegal. The man is dead and unable to defend himself, so I think taking it easy on him is warranted. This is an individual case that appears it may not have been thoroughly investigated initially. It is a good idea for new officials to re-investigate and decide if anything else should be done. If we help the media turn this into-if you charge Zimmerman, whites and Hispanics have no rights AND if you don't charge Zimmerman, blacks have no rights-we will have to take our share in the blame of continued racial tensions. One case, not representative of anything but George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin and their actions.

142 he was on his way home......just went and read the time line.....

From what source was the timeline built?

143 They lied about the 911 call. They lied about the injuries. They lied about his race. They are lying about who is screaming. Lies, lies lies...

144 I'm sure this investigation's rigor and thoroughness rival that of OJ Simpson's investigation into who murdered Nicole and Ron.

145 I tried to confuse the lady with the facts and it all came back to "He shouldn't have gotten out of the car".  Pretty soon it felt like beating my head against the wall so I left it alone. 

I have a friend that listens to conservative radio as she travels a lot with her work and I had many more facts than she does.  She'd say "GZ didn't have visible injuries." I would say "he was treated by paramedics at the scene" she'd say " I didn't know that".  This woman is not one to listen to the MFM, but that just goes to show that the "facts" of the case have not been presented as much as the "feelings" have.

146 Taking Zimmerman's side and desperately trying to highlight anything that might make him look better and make Trayvon look bad when we just don't know yet only feeds into the us against them storyline the libs and their media are trying to create.

Nonsense on stilts.

147 135 question

was trayvon on his way to the 711 or on his way home from the 711? Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 02, 2012 12:08 PM

According to his family he was on the way home and "was only carrying Skittles and Iced Tea".  So unless his father's girlfriend makes Skittles out of her home, I'd assume coming back, if he really was making a candy run for little brother

That's if he ever went there or intended to in the first place

It also took quite a bit of time for little brother's sugar cravings to get him to ask where the hell his brother was with those Skittles. Three days

148 good lord when i go to MSN.com they still have the young angel/gritty thug photos side by side...makes me want to throw up.

149 cnn time line http://tinyurl.com/7onkyo7

150 >>>Did they actually find skittles and iced tea on his person? Does anyone know? Posted by: EmilyM. No. And there is no mention in the police reports. This makes me think they did not find them on him.

151 It's like somebehind the scenes corporate lawyers at these networks have pointedout how badly these 'journalists' have screwed up....or something. Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2012 12:11 PM (+5U+B) ************ I think you were right on the ABC is doing CYA...

152 No. And there is no mention in the police reports. This makes me think they did not find them on him.

Posted by: mike at April 02, 2012 12:17 PM (s6QDI)

Jeebus.  Not only did Zimmerman shoot an innocent kid, he took his Skittles and iced tea.  Fucking savage.

/sarc

153 kbdabear yes.......i've said before...if my brother(s) was/were on a candy run for me (they wouldn't be) and if they weren't back with what i perceived to be a reasonable amount of time .... the screaming would begin......

154 As far as "feelings" go, any of the TM "mourners" have feelings for these?

7 California boys arrested in attack on teen

http://tinyurl.com/7ux9ycf

PALMDALE, Calif. (AP) - Seven black teens have been arrested on suspicion that they committed a hate crime when they attacked a 15-year-old Hispanic boy while he was walking home from school in Southern California, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office.

Meanwhile in Trayvon's home town;

“Grandma, I’ve Been Shot” Said Girl Hurt In Gang Related MassShooting

http://tinyurl.com/6olmbvn

NORTH MIAMI (CBSMiami) – Fourteen people have been shot and two are dead in what may be one of the worst mass shootings in South Florida history.

155

I wonder what the MFM will dig up as the next white/conservative/Jewish atrocity.

 

This one is about ready to go off the headline board.  Gotta keep everyone uproaring.

156 At the time of his death, the teenager is unarmed and carrying a small amount of cash, a bag of Skittles candy and an iced tea.

That's no help really.  It's just posited out there.  Is it from the coroner's report?

157 Great response, toby. You totally convinced me...

158 > I just want to know when all the Black politicians decided they did not need the Hispanic vote.

If only there was a word to describe one group having bad feelings about another group.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 02, 2012 12:06 PM (XdlcF)

--

The hispanic media seems to be airing the racism charges without much mention of anything else. (When the hispanics are illegal immigrants,etc. they take their side, of course and usually defend 'their' people aggressively.)

Apparently 'White (Armed) Hispanics' don't meet the raza test.

159 That hyper-caffeinated iced tea was the real culprit.

160 phoenixgirl: I have to take the phone records with a grain of salt in that they are only releasing snippets of them and they have the girl under wraps. It makes me think they are hiding something. That and the fact that the girl did not call the police or the family.

161 I am fairly confident that Trayvon was on his way to get "Skittles" and "Tea".  He just had to do a little breaking and entering to get something to exchange for the "skittles" and "tea"

162 Great response, toby. You totally convinced me...

You're welcome.  A bootless assertion deserves it's own in return.

Have at you!

163 Face facts, Zimmerman does not have a clean record

He doesn't?  How'd he get a CCW and a legally registered handgun, then?

See, I just bought a handgun this weekend, and I had to fill out a form that basically said I'd never had a violent thought ever (okay, not quite that bad, but close) and then the FBI also did a background check on me.  Now- I'm pretty sure whoever was in charge of that had to have some coffee to complete the check- my background is so boring it could be used as a soporific.  But I'm pretty sure that Zimmerman had to be at least relatively clean to get both a CCW and a legal handgun.

See, that's part of the misinformation out there.  He was/is at least relatively clean.  Additionally, to this point nothing he's said in his statement has been contradicted (or even contraindicated) by the evidence.  That makes him a whole heck-of-a-lot a better witness than, say, Trayvon's mom or dad (who apparently didn't notice him missing for a couple of days, and denied that he'd been suspended from school).

164 Answer this, do you believe its moral for the US Military to lie or set traps to kill the Taliban and terrorists?  Of course you do and a not insignificant portion of leftists view conservatives as "America Taliban" they don't see it as immoral to lie about anything to attack us or bring us down.

Short version,  how you see the Taliban is how leftists see you.

If any leftists are reading, one cant argue when the Soros funded leader of a website with 5 million monthly hits writes a book.

Link to amazon
http://tinyurl.com/2b3wec4

Also lefties, up until recently, how you see the Taliban like just some bad apples, bad leaders, maybe theyll grow out of it when they get a job etc..  Is how conservatives used to see you.

165

Posted by: mike at April 02, 2012 12:17 PM (s6QDI)

I suppose it's possible for him to have dropped them somewhere in the area during the incident, so the police wouldn't have looked for them when they responded. But after the story came out, they would have gone back to look right? Has anyone from the 711 come forward? where are you getting your info from? I don't know anyone in the media that can be trusted on this.

166

"One case, not representative of anything but George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin and their actions"

 

I disagree. Seen the latest People Magazine cover? Nice, innocent 13yr old.

 

Which is not the case, at all. So when the bias hits, fight back. That's what Brietbart did....

167 I don't think there was a younger brother waiting for him at home. The father came home, Travon was not their, he assumed that he had gone out with his nephew, and the father went to bed.

168 "The media is the enemy." - Andrew Breitbart

169 Don't worry, the media will do their level best to explain that Zimmerman isn't a TRUE Hispanic. He's definitely way more white than Hispanic, they'll say, not like you true Hispanics who would never do such a thing as Zimmerman. That's why they put the White first in White Hispanic!

170 http://goo.gl/462xQ Interesting read regardin the parents.

171 Instead of "I am Zimmerman" -- "Yo soy Jorge"

172 Social  justice.  The marxist screed.  This is what's being peddled thoughout all of this.

173 >>>where are you getting your info from? From the city of sanford site where they have posted the tapes and reports.

174 Does anyone here know a 17-year-old with tattoos?

175 175Does anyone here know a 17-year-old with tattoos?

Posted by: nickless at April 02, 2012 12:29 PM (MMC8r)

 

Oh, I'm sure the little honor student's were the lick-on stick-on variety, with a peppy, optimistic sporting theme.

176

>>Does anyone here know a 17-year-old with tattoos?

Plural? No. I know 17 year olds with one tattoo, usually pretty small and stupid looking.

177 So the Democrat's "Republican War On Women" fizzles like a Polish bottle rocket so what does the MSM do? They publish and trumpet a "poll" so skewed.........so dishonest.........that Vladimir Putin's campaign manager was quoted as saying, "That's pretty ballsy right there". Obama with an 18% lead with women voters over Romney? Why that point spread is right in line with the 41% Dem.- 24% Rep. split in the poll! AMAZING!

178

"Does anyone here know a 17-year-old with tattoos?"

 

This some sort of trick question???

179 Yeah, when you look at the vids that have come out, you're left with the question as to where Mr. Zimmerman is hiding those extra 70 or so lbs.

I have an idea about that...

180 This some sort of trick question??? Is it legal to tattoo a <18, or were Trayvon's homemade? Honestly, no one in the family has any, but I have to think that most 17-year-olds don't have them, esp. Eagle Scouts like the media's version of St. Trayvon.

181 HH, I don't know if I understand what you're saying, and I haven't seen People's cover. I'm assuming it's the young picture of Trayvon Martin. Also, I never said Trayvon was an innocent little 13 yr. old., or even 17 yr.ol. I was simply saying that this case does not represent the racial situation in the U.S. Are there an inordinate number of shootings of black (maybe even thugs or thug wannabes) men by white or Hispanic or white Hispanic people that are not prosecuted? All I'm saying is that this is one case where it appears to me that a second investigation is reasonable. One case! It is the libs and the media saying a bunch of racial crap and trying to draw conservatives into saying a bunch of racial crap, so that they can say,"Tsk, Tsk look at the conservatives, racist as usual." Not that we should be quiet about racial things, but some conservatives here are constantly overlooking bad things about Zimmerman and highlighting bad things about Trayvon, kind of buying into the media's invitation to a race war. Let's definitely fight against the media's storyline! I feel like recognizing that this is a case about Zimmerman and Martin and whatever problems or bad actions THEY may have taken are the issue. Not that blacks are under attack.

182   I hope all of you find the left's series of face plants the last few weeks as gratifying as I do.

   Good fortune would insist that that their course remain unchanged.

   My hope continues undiminished.

183 5' 7" and 170 lbs?  The incredible shrinking George Zimmerman.  Another inch and a few more pounds and he'll be in Barney Fife territory. 

184 157 At the time of his death, the teenager is unarmed and carrying a small amount of cash, a bag of Skittles candy and an iced tea.

That's no help really. It's just posited out there. Is it from the coroner's report?
Posted by: toby928© at April 02, 2012 12:18 PM

No, CNN's "timeline" comes from interviews with the Martin family, Zimmerman family, and other news reports

The MBM has been pretty blatant with these pictures. Who wouldn't want justice for the smiling young boy who looked like a member of the Harlem Boys Choir who looks totally harmless, shot by a guy whose picture makes him look like a Chicano drug dealer

Who could be afraid of the kid in the MBM pics?

Who wouldn't be afraid of the gold toothed tattooed gangstah that GZ saw that night?

185

Trayvon© was also on the football team at school......a fact that has been deleted from the narrative. ....It was in the earlier accounts, though.

 

So, 6 ft - 160 lb football player....vs....5'7"- 170 lb couch potato. ....But then, this doesn't fit the narrative.

186 Showing that pic of Trayvon Martin at 13 is like showing pics of Britney Spears at 15

Quite a difference you'd might say

187 Yes thanks to their cover story this week, American Tragedy, I won't be renewing my subscription to People magazine. Will be a nice savings for me.

188

Yeah, kbdabear. ....The teen years are like...dog years.

 

That's why I was saying way back when this thing started getting traction...."Where are the more recent pics of Trayvon? How do we know what Zimmerman was seeing that night?"

 

The Trayvon Twitter streams speak volumes about what he was into. ....As well as the school supensions.

189

@89 Not today's left. There's maybe a handful like that in the whole country. They just don't have the balls for it. They have been sissified and pussified by the very nanny state they have created.

 

I think you misunderestimate them. Sure, most lefties are as you describe, but that's true of every population. Most Germans were probably pretty peaceful too. But it doesn't take all that many hard core assholes to perpetrate horrific crimes. After all, the Gestapo only comprised 5000 agents, and they terrorized the entire continent of Europe. Can leftists muster 10,000 bloodthirsty types? I suspect the answer is "yes - easily."

190 Fuckwittage!

191

@ 190, Jay:

Nah, you're overestimating them.  The vast majority of these idiots still are in school or they're stoned out of their heads on couches in their parents' basements.  A majority of the remainder are counting their trust fund monies in places like New Caanan, Ct. and Pacific Heights, Ca, or they're teaching liberal arts classes in places like Boulder or Berkeley.  They couldn't get together 10,000 hard core Pol Pot types if their lives depended on it.  They'd have a hard time scaring up 500 of those, and even then they'd be disbursed from northern Washington State down to San Diego and then over to Maine and all points in between.  The U.S. is too big and too populated.  Plus far too many of us have weapons, not to mention law enforcement corps from coast to coast which happily enough have become quite militarized over the past couple of decades. 

This isn't the Khmer Rouge with which we're dealing.  It's the arrested development airheaded brigade.   

192 Has there been a single point where Zimmerman's account of the incident has been contradicted by evidence?

CBS News says an expert has listened to the audio tapes and decided scientifically that it cannot have been Zimmerman, meaning it must have been Trayvon.***


What else do you need to know?   EXPERT SCIENCE says Zimmerman is guilty.     


*** The same test was not performed for Trayvon.  So uh, no control.   The "journalist" is just throwing out a meaningless number to lend credibility to an unjustified conclusion.  

193
They lied about the 911 call.
They lied about the injuries.
They lied about his race.
They are lying about who is screaming.

Lies, lies lies...

Posted by: mike at April 02, 2012 12:13 PM (s6QDI)


I am learning more and more to never make a judgement based on the "facts" as presented by a leftist source.   A tentative judgement, perhaps, *IF* the facts are as presented.   Heavy emphasis on the "if".

But never make a decision without doing your own research because they're really just fishing for a soundbite to use against you later - "Hey, you agreed that he was guilty, why are you flip-flopping?"  

194 based on the picture of the "kid" showing off his tats he's got above average arms ...  at 6' or taller there is no way he's tipping the scales at 150 ...  more like 180 if he's a pound ...

195 Well, the Today show is entertainment, not hard news.  Are you not entertained?

196 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

197 Remember that postal worker that committed suicide? Yup, they were saying it was the tea party.

198 All along, there has never been a single shred of evidence presented that Zimmerman did not act in self defense and within the law.  Florida's statute on false arrest ensures citizens that police cannot arrest them without probable cause (else the cop, the DA, and the city or county lose their immunity to damages).  NONE exists here.

Which is why there was no immediate outcry or protest about the shooting.  It was a good shoot.  And those loving parents who have been all over showing off their grief?  Well they didn't even notice Trayvon hadn't ever come back.

Enter race-pimping scumbag lawyer Ben Crump, who enticed the parents with the prospect of a payday, and called in rabble rousers from around the nation like Farrakhan, Sharpton, and Jesse.

The reason Zimmerman is being called a "white Hispanic" is because the media swallowed the crap offered by the race-baiting parasites without question and initially reported he was white.  This is how they try to cover their error.  Too bad it didn't give them pause about the whole line they were being fed, eh?

199 White Hispanic is the new Black

200 While they're at it, how about investigating the edit Ed Schultz made of Rick Perry's speech.  You know, the one where  "black cloud hanging over America" was supposed to be Obama -- not the national debt as Perry clearly stated.

http://tinyurl.com/3v7qs6o