October 23, 2012

New Team Romney Ad: US Navy Equals Strength
— DrewM

Last night Obama thought he was being really clever with his "horses and bayonets" line. Today, Team Mitt shoves back with a new ad highlighting the importance of naval power to America's military strength.

I'm not sure where it's going to air but Virginia, Florida and New Hampshire are big Navy states. Oh and they also happen to be key battle ground states. I hope Obama enjoyed his snark while it lasted.

The "horses and bayonets" line was probably the most divisive of the night. Liberals loved it and conservatives rolled their eyes.

Obama says Romney doesn't understand the qualitative nature of today's Navy when he focuses on the quantity of ships in the fleet. Well, Obama and liberals ignore that there's as much ocean today as there was in in 1917 but we have far, far more global interests and responsibilities. For all the wonderful advancements in technology in the last century, we still haven't figure out how to get a ship in more than one place at one time.

Quality matters but so does quantity. Just ask sailors and their families who are looking at longer and more frequent deployments thanks to Obama's ship building deficit.

I'm open to listening to people who want to cut the Navy but first they must tell me what missions they will forgo and what areas of the globe they will ignore. Without that, you are simply asking the Navy to do more with less and that won't work for long.

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1 ROmney WIns Big

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 11:12 AM (ovpNn)

2 Greg loses it in 3 2 1

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 11:12 AM (ovpNn)

3 funny how in November 2008 we stopped hearing about how recruitment under Bush was really really really bad

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 23, 2012 11:12 AM (jUytm)

4

There's more than a couple Maine residents working at the Portsmoth Navy yard.

Bath Iron Works in Bath, Maine might want to build a ship or two.

Posted by: fluffy at October 23, 2012 11:12 AM (4pSIn)

5 My eyes suck. Where's the ad?

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at October 23, 2012 11:12 AM (X7MMs)

6 and all this time I thought it was "Peace through kowtowing..."

Posted by: mallfly at October 23, 2012 11:13 AM (bJm7W)

7 They didn't build that

Posted by: simpleton at October 23, 2012 11:13 AM (i3pKT)

8 Yes, New Hampshire with its 14 miles of coastline is a huge naval state :-D. But I think Romney has NH in the bag anyways...

Posted by: Timin203 at October 23, 2012 11:13 AM (5WxMt)

9 Yes, and every timer there is a conflict somewhere they want to send a carrier group.  Those are shrinking.

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 11:13 AM (YdQQY)

10 I think the JEF kissed VA goodbye with that one. Turn out in the rest of the state is gonna be high. Air Force people in CO aren't gonna like last night comments either. And no military person any where believed what the JEF said about sequestration. What a blunder

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2012 11:14 AM (Dnbau)

11 Worth putting in this thread

OH NOES!

BREAKING ON A LIBERAL MAJOR NEWS SITE!

T M Z - Where an awful lot of the ignorant Liberals get their News


Barack Obama
RIPPED By Bayonet Co.
We're Still Relevant!!!

EXCLUSIVE


President Barack Obama has offended the bayonet community ... TMZ has learned.

TMZ
spoke with multiple people in the bayonet industry who tell us they
were shocked and even offended when Obama brought up the weapon during
last night's debate.

FYI -- Obama was going after Romney when he
said, "You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer
ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and
bayonets, because the nature of our military's changed."



According
to the official U.S. Marine Corps website, every Marine is STILL
required to complete a bayonet training program ... because "the weapon
becomes just as effective [as a rifle] in close combat situations."

ouch ouch ouch

We spoke with Dan Riker
from Bayonet Inc. -- a leading military surplus outlet that specializes
in bayonets -- who tells us he believes Obama's comment was "ignorant
... because our soldiers still use bayonets."

He adds, “[Bayonets] are still distributed to the military all the time -- he should get educated on it”


OUCH! thats gonna leave a mark!

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 11:14 AM (ovpNn)

12 I think we could adjust the force mix to better reflect the new realities - the huge carrier fleet could be supplemented with smaller ships using drones or Harriers for operation against smaller targets that don't need a complete carrier task force.

Plus 3 or 4 small groups could cover more targets than 1 big one.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 23, 2012 11:14 AM (z1N6a)

13 Where yo ad!?




Posted by: Tami at October 23, 2012 11:14 AM (X6akg)

14 Sorry to say, no ad in the world will win Ohio for Romney.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 11:15 AM (s2fu6)

15

I'll take Things That Are Awesome for a thousand, Alex.

Seriously, though, remember when stop-loss and long deployments were lefty talking points? I kind of doubt (and no, I'm not gonna do any research) that Barry has done anything about them.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 23, 2012 11:15 AM (zgHLA)

16 My God!  It's full of content!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 23, 2012 11:15 AM (sbV1u)

17 "For all the wonderful advancements in technology in the last century, we still haven't figure out how to get a ship in more than one place at one time."

just another wonderful technology we'll have if only we give Barky another four years

Posted by: mallfly at October 23, 2012 11:15 AM (bJm7W)

18

The Navy is the branch of the military that we MOST need to maintain.

 

We can afford to not be constantly sending boots on the ground all over in every deity-forsaken hotspot the worls over.

 

We CAN'T afford to maintain the floating walls that will keep anything short of an ICBM strike from reaching and harming the American mainland.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 23, 2012 11:15 AM (+inic)

19 /enter fake troll right on cue

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 23, 2012 11:15 AM (jUytm)

20 I'm open to listening to people who want to cut the Navy but first they must tell me what missions they will forgo and what areas of the globe they will ignore. Without that, you are simply asking the Navy to do more with less and that won't work for long.


Exactly.  I am not in the leave the defense budget alone camp because of course there's going to be padding and waste in the defense budget because humans are humans and it will happen.  But reality still exists.  The ocean is still as big.  We still have to get the rest of the fun toys from America to everywhere else.  Either we set realistic guidelines for what we need or we reduce the scope of what we do.  Both won't happen.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at October 23, 2012 11:16 AM (Gk3SS)

21 /cue up outrage in response to fake troll... now

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 23, 2012 11:16 AM (jUytm)

22 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 23, 2012 11:16 AM (8y9MW)

23 Timin203: Are you an idiot? NH is home to one of the main shipbuilding facilities for the Navy, the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard. (It's technically in Maine, but the city of Portsmouth is in NH and most of the employees come from there.) Plus New Hampshire has a long Navy tradition and that still matters to some people there.

Posted by: Trimegistus at October 23, 2012 11:16 AM (lrvnD)

24 Make that "CAN'T afford NOT to maintain..."

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 23, 2012 11:16 AM (+inic)

25 Brit Hume ‏@brithume @megynkelly Says when Obama made his crack about horses, bayonets, submarines, etc., there was laughter and applause in debate press room.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 23, 2012 11:16 AM (136wp)

26 /ready the fake fake-troll sockpuppets

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 23, 2012 11:16 AM (jUytm)

27 s2fu6 STFU is back!

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2012 11:17 AM (Dnbau)

28 14 Sorry to say. Ohio is Romney's ... along with NC, FL, VA and CO.

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 23, 2012 11:17 AM (GvYeG)

29 I'm ok with cuts to other branches, because eventually we have to stop colonizing random places like Europe.

I am however for beefing up our Navy. It will keep America safe and China at bay.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at October 23, 2012 11:17 AM (xAtAj)

30 Obama also missed out on the military value of spreading out resources so you don't lose 0.5% to 1% of your navy if a single ship is sunk. Placing all your resources in a few of the...what did he call them? ayre kraft careers? seems risky. Bad guys might know that we have all our eggs in 1 basket and make a special effort to attack one. Especially now that Obama let the world know that we have developed this new top secret technology. Though I think the thing about boats that are underwater was just a boast, no way that could be true.

Posted by: BSKB at October 23, 2012 11:17 AM (4KWOY)

31 They have shipyards in Ohio. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 23, 2012 11:17 AM (8sCoq)

32 Most of this rock is covered by water.  You could park all of the Navy's surface combatants and subs within a two mile square area and have enough space left over for a huge water theme park.

Math is hard...harder when you're a democrat.

Posted by: @PurpAv at October 23, 2012 11:18 AM (S8edY)

33 ....Where can we see the Ad?

Posted by: wheatie at October 23, 2012 11:18 AM (ipkPX)

34 28 14 Sorry to say. Ohio is Romney's ... along with NC, FL, VA and CO. Posted by: Honey Badger at October 23, 2012 03:17 PM (GvYeG) You have to put in terms a stuck-in-adolescence troll would understand: "All your base belong to us"

Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 23, 2012 11:18 AM (136wp)

35

@25

Applause and laughter. Oh how droll. It really wasn't that funny

Posted by: Jolly Roger at October 23, 2012 11:18 AM (t06LC)

36 CBS affiliate calls the election for Obama weeks early.  They say it was a test but someone went to a lot of trouble to make the spread seem believable.  Heebee jeebees abound:http://tinyurl.com/94ygm7q

Posted by: HtP at October 23, 2012 11:18 AM (jx2j9)

37 The only part of the Navy Obama knows is the "A" in "YMCA". or as he spells it "YCMA".

Posted by: dfbaskwill at October 23, 2012 11:18 AM (71LDo)

38 "I'm not sure where it's going to air but Virginia, Florida and New Hampshire are big Navy states."



It's not airing on this blog either.

Posted by: Tami at October 23, 2012 11:18 AM (X6akg)

39 Agree that the Navy is one branch which requires the most lead time to build up forces (ships take years to construct). But given the lag time in tech development, the Air Force is in the same, er, boat. The F-35 is nearly old enough to go to college and still hasn't been deployed.

Posted by: Trimegistus at October 23, 2012 11:19 AM (lrvnD)

40 And, Ryan tells the fauxpotus that the oceans aren't shrinking, hehe. Paul Ryan hits back at Obama’s debate Navy jab, says ‘ocean hasn’t shrunk’ http://thehill.com/video/campaign/263469-ryan-responds-to-obamas-navy-jab-the-ocean-hasnt-shrunk

Posted by: 14 days at October 23, 2012 11:19 AM (LpQbZ)

41 Watch it buddy- who are you calling fake?

Posted by: The Real Greg at October 23, 2012 11:19 AM (aKt3y)

42 Great response time for the Romney team yet again. Whatever crap comes out of Obama's mouth, they seem to have an ad using his latest stupidity ready within 24 hours or so.

A bit off topic, but I missed this earlier. In case you missed this like I did, apparently fretful concern trolls are not the only ones wondering if you can win without winning Ohio. And no, I'm not talking about the Romney campaign.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/8eu4hsg

Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 23, 2012 11:19 AM (qEkGZ)

43 We CAN'T afford to maintain the floating walls that will keep anything short of an ICBM strike from reaching and harming the American mainland.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 23, 2012 03:15 PM (+inic)


Think you forgot a NOT in there, Cincy.

now back to the plow for you!

Posted by: Oldcat at October 23, 2012 11:19 AM (z1N6a)

44 It 's Obama all over again: His smart remarks may look good at first blush, but the facts seem to have a way of catching up with him lately...

Posted by: Cheetah at October 23, 2012 11:19 AM (zXhtZ)

45 Tee hee hee, he said bayonets, tee hee hee-typical Obama voter. 

Posted by: ejo at October 23, 2012 11:19 AM (GXvSO)

46 Paul Ryan hits back at Obama’s debate Navy jab, says ‘ocean hasn’t shrunk’





Another fucked up Obama promise.

Posted by: Tami at October 23, 2012 11:20 AM (X6akg)

47 That's nice. Where's the ad?

Posted by: joncelli, Not Bothering to Read the Comments at October 23, 2012 11:20 AM (RD7QR)

48 Is this the thread on Rum, Sodomy & the Lash?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 23, 2012 11:20 AM (tf9Ne)

49

"Though I think the thing about boats that are underwater was just a boast, no way that could be true."

 

You would make a ship sail under the water by lighting a bonfire under her deck?  I have no time for such nonsense! - Napoleon Barackaparte

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 23, 2012 11:20 AM (+inic)

50 So we nix the funds to Egypt and put them in defense budget. Win. Win.

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 23, 2012 11:20 AM (GvYeG)

51 It was a stupid attack on Obama's part because Romney was simply repeating what the navy had said.

Obama essentially dissed most members of the armed forces with one juvenile comment. He told the navy that he knows better than they do the number of craft they need, and he showed ground pounders that he doesn't care to know a thing about their methods of war fighting, either.

Brilliant move, that. The only adult in the room, deeply serious, pragmatic, Lightworker, etc.

Posted by: Llarry at October 23, 2012 11:20 AM (JgHoa)

52

Virtually all the new ship design incorporate manpower savings via technology.  The new DDG-21 Zumwalt destroyer class is about twice the size of an Arleigh Burke class...with half the crew.

 

The upfront investment in many of these new designs will be significant, but the long-term operational costs will be less.

 

We can afford a larger Navy.  And we're going to need it, too.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 23, 2012 11:20 AM (B+qrE)

53 "Sorry to say. Ohio is Romney's ... along with NC, FL, VA and CO."

Pick me, PICK ME!

Posted by: Penn's Woods at October 23, 2012 11:20 AM (71LDo)

54

"Is this the thread on Rum, Sodomy the Lash?"

 

No, that's tonight's open thread.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 23, 2012 11:20 AM (+inic)

55 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2012 11:21 AM (6o4Fb)

56 I sometimes wonder if the bloggers here post a thread and then run from their computers. 

Posted by: Tami at October 23, 2012 11:21 AM (X6akg)

57 Yes Ryan! Schooling Obama on geography.

Posted by: Cheetah at October 23, 2012 11:21 AM (zXhtZ)

58 It sure would have been nice to have some ships off the coast of Benghazi on 9-11-12.

Posted by: xbradtc at October 23, 2012 11:21 AM (+FFD7)

59 Conservative paradox: The national debt needs to be cut; it is imperative! and Military spending must be raised (again); it is imperative!

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 11:21 AM (s2fu6)

60 Of course, we all know that liberals actually don't want America to be secure with a strong military. They're all about defeat. They'd love to see China on the rampage in Asia, Iran dominating the Middle East, and no pesky American ships to get in the way. Obama embodies this ideal: he's simultaneously gutting the armed services and fanning the flames of conflict. If American society hadn't gone insane back in 1992, both Democrats and Republicans in Congress would be competing to see who could impeach him faster.

Posted by: Trimegistus at October 23, 2012 11:22 AM (lrvnD)

61

Drew

 

All your ads are belong to us!!!

 

 

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at October 23, 2012 11:22 AM (+/C3g)

62 Marines in NC, Navy in NH, VA, and FL and AF in CO. I have to say I am not sure I understand the JEFs campaign strategy here

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2012 11:22 AM (Dnbau)

63 We could save a lot of money in the military if we cut the Congress out of it all together.  Both procurement and base choices are rendered political and costly due to congress.

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 11:22 AM (YdQQY)

64 You know, if you look at a carrier strike group from the side, with your eyes a little squinted -  it looks almost exactly like a dude on horseback!!1!

Posted by: Heralder at October 23, 2012 11:22 AM (+xmn4)

65 59 Very easily done for those who can chew gum and walk at the same time.

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 23, 2012 11:23 AM (GvYeG)

66 Sharks...with laser beams on their heads

Posted by: Dr Evil at October 23, 2012 11:23 AM (Y//vu)

67

"Conservative paradox: "

 

There's no paradox.  We'll just cut off all welfare, put half the funds into the military, and use the other half to pay down the debt.  Win - win.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 23, 2012 11:23 AM (+inic)

68 Sorry to say, no ad in the world will win Ohio for Romney.

The 2004 election came down to 100,000 voters in Ohio.

I'd say Mitt's chances of getting those 100,000 this time around are pretty good, given Obama's steadily shrinking lead.

Posted by: Llarry at October 23, 2012 11:23 AM (JgHoa)

69

46...Paul Ryan hits back at Obama’s debate Navy jab, says ‘ocean hasn’t shrunk’





Another fucked up Obama promise.

 

Hah!

If anything...the oceans are getting bigger, since Barky hasn't kept his promise to stop the rising sea levels.

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 23, 2012 11:23 AM (ipkPX)

70 64 With a bayonet ...

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 23, 2012 11:24 AM (GvYeG)

71 It sure would have been nice to have some ships off the coast of Benghazi on 9-11-12. Posted by: xbradtc at October 23, 2012 03:21 PM (+FFD7) sure would have been nice to have some MArines at the embassy and consulate, or a A-10 Warthog available

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2012 11:24 AM (Dnbau)

72 OUCH! thats gonna leave a mark!

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 03:14 PM (ovpNn)



In the next 12 days, there isn't much left that he can't insult or demean that he hasn't already.

He's a fucking idiot.

Posted by: © Sponge at October 23, 2012 11:24 AM (UK9cE)

73 Conservative paradox: The national debt needs to be cut; it is imperative! and Military spending must be raised (again); it is imperative! Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 03:21 PM (s2fu6)

Evidently Greg is unfamiliar that there are other accounts in the Federal budget besides Defense.

This fact does not surprise me.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 23, 2012 11:24 AM (sbV1u)

74 @67 You should run an ad claiming that. I'm sure you will win.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 11:24 AM (s2fu6)

75

Conservative paradox:

The national debt needs to be cut; it is imperative!

and

Military spending must be raised (again); it is imperative!

 

Here, illiterate now poll-ignorer--get the economy moving and VOILA, BOTH take care of themselves.  Educate yourself about what the new ship designs mean in the long-term and perhaps you too cannot be a dumbass forever.

 

P.S.:  Chief Justice Kloppenhag would like fries with that.

 

Idiot.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 23, 2012 11:24 AM (B+qrE)

76 It sure is a problem that defense has been criminally neglected while the debt soars. Guess we'll have to cut back on all the massive entitlements that funnel cash to Democrat voters. Win-win all around: frees up money in the budget and starves the Democrat graft machine. Greg may have to get a real job.

Posted by: Trimegistus at October 23, 2012 11:25 AM (lrvnD)

77 They are saying Romney was not well last night.

Posted by: Redd at October 23, 2012 11:25 AM (RoEtU)

78

>>>OUCH! thats gonna leave a mark!

 

Bayonets usually do.

Posted by: uterus cannon at October 23, 2012 11:25 AM (3ZtZW)

79 I remarked early today in a discussion here at work about power projection that you'd think that somewhere amongst the highly-educated foreign policy gurus that are Team TFG someone would have read Alfred Thayer Mahan...but evidently, this has not been the case.

Posted by: Country Singer (likes teh ginger ladies) at October 23, 2012 11:25 AM (L8r/r)

80 Hope the ad features AMERICAN ships. Unlike the DNC in Charlotte.

Posted by: CheshireLion at October 23, 2012 11:25 AM (zNDIM)

81

"You should run an ad claiming that. I'm sure you will win."

 

I'm sure we would to.  The final tally would probably be around 53%-47%.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 23, 2012 11:25 AM (+inic)

82 I see Gurgie has stopped (again) pretending that he's Conservative.

Hey, Gurgie, do you like sleeping safe and secure knowing that Al Qaida, North Korea, China, and (yes) Russia, have to think about how they'd deal with our military if they chose to kill you in your bed?  Because I do.

Quick quiz, which of these is provided for in the Constitution

Military
Health Care
Retirement Plan

Take your time.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 23, 2012 11:26 AM (8y9MW)

83 I'm sure it is just a "coincidence" that on the same day Romney launches his drive for a larger Navy...
...he finally wins the endorsement of the Log Cabin Republicans.

Posted by: wooga at October 23, 2012 11:26 AM (vjyZP)

84 I always get a kick out of when a ship returns to it's home port and there are all these babies in sailor outfits waiting them. We need the Navy to keep our population up.

Posted by: Redd at October 23, 2012 11:26 AM (RoEtU)

85 BOOM ad's finally up!

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 23, 2012 11:26 AM (+inic)

86 They are saying Romney was not well last night. Posted by: Redd at October 23, 2012 03:25 PM (RoEtU) JEF made him sick? me too

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2012 11:26 AM (Dnbau)

87 I wonder what Sen. James Webb thinks about this?  He is (or was) a strong advocate of a big Navy.  If I recall correctly he thought Reagan was cutting the Navy too much (when he was Reagan's sec'y of the Navy).  If he were to slam Obama on this it would pretty much seal Virginia for Romney.  (So you can be sure that no one in the media will give him a chance to do so ...)

Posted by: buzz at October 23, 2012 11:26 AM (i27M5)

88 Though I think the thing about boats that are underwater was just a boast, no way that could be true. Posted by: BSKB at October 23, 2012 03:17 PM

Actually, Choom Boy was talking about ships that go underwater, IIRC. That must be some new Navy tricknology we don't know nothin' about, as I'm sure anyone in the Navy will tell you that our current underwater fleet is made up entirely of boats.

What do you expect from the America-hating shitweasel? Among the many things he doesn't know jack shit about, the military has to head the list.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at October 23, 2012 11:27 AM (ZgX/g)

89 I still can't figure out what horses have to do with the Navy?

Or does Obama think the Navy used to ride seahorses?

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 23, 2012 11:27 AM (imtbm)

90 The "horses and bayonets" line was probably the most divisive of the night. Liberals loved it and conservatives rolled their eyes.
But it didn't win a single vote for Obama. Its the kind of sneering line of red meat that true believers love but it turns off people less worshipful because it seems presidential and unpleasant - and in this case ignorant, actually.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 11:27 AM (r4wIV)

91 take the total number of ships. then realize one third are deployed, one third are getting ready to deploy and the last third is in overhaul. we have three seperate navies. The Amphib navy, the surface navy and our submarine fleet. 264 total shipseem awfully small.

Posted by: bob at October 23, 2012 11:27 AM (fSbqI)

92 you'd think that somewhere amongst the highly-educated foreign policy gurus that are Team TFG someone would have read Alfred Thayer Mahan...but evidently, this has not been the case Posted by: Country Singer (likes teh ginger ladies) at October 23, 2012 03:25 PM (L8r/r)

He's the guy running the White House coffee shop, right?

I love that dude!  His bear claws are awesome yo!

Posted by: Typical Obama Staffer at October 23, 2012 11:27 AM (sbV1u)

93

Posted by: wooga at October 23, 2012 03:26 PM (vjyZP)

 

Hahahahahaha, funny.

 

Spin up, missile tube one, EXO.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 23, 2012 11:27 AM (B+qrE)

94 "Just ask sailors and their families who are looking at longer and more frequent deployments thanks to Obama's ship building deficit."

I hope that this ad runs in heavy rotation in VA.

Let's be clear that there has been a catastrophic vacuum of shipbuilding under Obama, but it didn't begin with Obama. A problem he inherited and failed to fix, or even recognize. Really, the last time the US Navy had a genuinely healthy new influx of modern ships was under Ronald Reagan.

Then Reagan won the Cold War, and people got delighted about "peace dividends" and such (a phrase you were already hearing in the G.H.W. Bush administration), and shipbuilding slowed to a crawl, and really never recovered. We ate the seed corn of the Reagan legacy.

What's far worse is that over the whole long history of the Navy, we see that it has only performed at its best in acquisition when it had its own tough and learned in-house expertise in naval architecture, from blueprints to building ways.

That capability has been gutted. The small core of people left in the USA who know how to design and build ships are predominantly at the contractors, and that power is open to abuse.


Posted by: torquewrench at October 23, 2012 11:28 AM (ymG7s)

95 We don't need no stinking Navy since the sea levels fell!!1!

Posted by: uterus cannon at October 23, 2012 11:28 AM (3ZtZW)

96 @AllenG I am a conservative, but I guess it's all relative. Also, In answer to your question: All of them, one implicitly, the others fall within the powers of regulating commerce.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 11:28 AM (s2fu6)

97 Obama foreign policy:  Beating our swords into plowshares and arming the jihadis.  What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 23, 2012 11:28 AM (Hx5uv)

98

67 There's no paradox. We'll just cut off all welfare, put half the funds into the military, and use the other half to pay down the debt. Win - win.

---------------------

 

I like your thinking son

Posted by: Exit Ramp at October 23, 2012 11:28 AM (sWgE+)

99 Or does Obama think the Navy used to ride seahorses?

Hippocampi.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 23, 2012 11:28 AM (8y9MW)

100 Oh good, the ad finally magically appeared.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 23, 2012 11:28 AM (qEkGZ)

101 Well you can't have a ship in tow places at once. The most advanced well armed ship in the world is no good defending Taiwan if it is in the Persian Gulf.

Posted by: bobbymike at October 23, 2012 11:29 AM (wJSZn)

102 Conservative paradox:

The national debt needs to be cut; it is imperative!

and

Military spending must be raised (again); it is imperative!

Didn't you hear in the debate last night when Obama said he's increased military spending and is on track to cutting the national debt?

Are you calling him a liar or a conservative?

Posted by: Llarry at October 23, 2012 11:29 AM (JgHoa)

103 The national debt needs to be cut; it is imperative! and Military spending must be raised (again); it is imperative! Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 03:21 PM (s2fu6) It is truly scary that you don't get how this works. Truly scary. I bet you are of this crowd: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1600092 If You Have The Ability to Create Your Own Currency, How Can You Ever Be Broke?

Posted by: 14 days at October 23, 2012 11:29 AM (LpQbZ)

104 It's not like TFG is pushing to build new aircraft carriers. Not when there are still parasites lacking an Obamaphone.

Posted by: real joe, almost tasting victory at October 23, 2012 11:29 AM (Mea7K)

105 How many ships and planes could have been built with The SCOAMF'S squandered stimulus "investments."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 23, 2012 11:29 AM (LnQr8)

106 I am a conservative, but I guess it's all relative.

Compare.

All of them, one implicitly, the others fall within the powers of regulating commerce.

Contrast.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 23, 2012 11:29 AM (8y9MW)

107 Hussein Obama must know about some new fangled technology that lets U.S. warships be a couple of places at once if he doesn't think the Navy needs more ships. Current fleet can't meet the requirements of Obama's own national defense strategy. To quote the Commander of Fleet Forces Command, Admiral Gortney - "For the foreseeable future, our operating environment will be defined by four predominant characteristics: (1) decreasing resources, (2) increasing operational demands..."

Posted by: guns at October 23, 2012 11:29 AM (z7HWo)

108 14 Sorry to say, no ad in the world will win Ohio for Romney.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 03:15 PM (s2fu6)



Greg, you can not cheat that much this time.  We have a Republican Governor AND Attorney General.   Your thugs will not get away with shit this time.

Sorry, this is NOT Chicago this time.


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 23, 2012 11:29 AM (wR+pz)

109 I voted today here in the heart of TX ....there were 3 nice little old ladies and a middle aged woman manning the station.....I can report that Borat made no appearance to question the legality of my vote.

Posted by: kawfytawk at October 23, 2012 11:29 AM (JWLqy)

110 The funny thing about liberals is that they obviously don't think things through. Greg, when America is embroiled in simultaneous wars against China, Iran, and whoever else wants to take advantage of our weakness -- do you really think the public will want to spend money on welfare and Obamacare? A genuine fight for survival tends to focus a country's priorities, and the liberal utopia will get kicked to the curb right away. But of course you're too ignorant to know that.

Posted by: Trimegistus at October 23, 2012 11:29 AM (lrvnD)

111 Obama's thinking way ahead of you wingnuts -- after the oceans recede we won't need a navy.

Posted by: Uncledave at October 23, 2012 11:30 AM (nJ32z)

112 some one needs to call Col West

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2012 11:30 AM (Dnbau)

113 OT:  Anyone see the Twitter stuff hit the fan over Michelle Malkin?  A female scumbag said she hoped Michelle Malkin's daughter would "die a slow painful death from ovarian cancer."  Some guy,  who's now my hero - don't know his name,  Tweeted the female scumbag's name,  address,  phone number.  The female scumbag's apologizing like crazy now.  I'm loving that shit.

Posted by: Dang© at October 23, 2012 11:30 AM (R18D0)

114 When Barry unloaded that Navy BS I screamed at Mitt to ask him how a castrated Navy would do in the Pacific against any Chinese or other Asian threat but I'm beginning to think people can't hear me when I do that.

Posted by: Daybrother at October 23, 2012 11:30 AM (+paCV)

115 "Just ask sailors and their families who are looking at longer and more frequent deployments thanks to Obama's ship building deficit."

Posted by: torquewrench at October 23, 2012 03:28 PM (ymG7s)

You could actually help this by having duplicate crews like they do on the big subs.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 23, 2012 11:30 AM (z1N6a)

116 I'm ok with cuts to other branches, because eventually we have to stop colonizing random places like Europe.

I am however for beefing up our Navy. It will keep America safe and China at bay.


Yup.  Fortress America only works if we can keep the walls up.  The Navy is those walls. 


Of course, it makes sense that someone who thinks that our enemies die because some magic drone kills everyone without any human is involved has no fucking clue how defense actually works. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at October 23, 2012 11:30 AM (Gk3SS)

117

"I still can't figure out what horses have to do with the Navy?"

 

They use them to pull the ironclads, of course.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 23, 2012 11:31 AM (+inic)

118

77...They are saying Romney was not well last night.
 

Posted by: Redd at October 23, 2012 03:25 PM (RoEtU)

 

He sounded a bit hoarse.

 

The guy has been out campaigning in all kinds of weather.

Day after day.

He's a pretty strong dude, at 65.

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 23, 2012 11:31 AM (ipkPX)

119

Commander in Chief Obama doesn't understand that bayonets are essential to the mission.  After losing the acclaimed P-38 can opener, the only way to extract Beanie Weenies from C-Rats is by bayonet. 

Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 23, 2012 11:31 AM (lDWQr)

120 28 14 Sorry to say. Ohio is Romney's ... along with NC, FL, VA and CO.

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 23, 2012 03:17 PM (GvYeG)


You left out, WI, PA and MI.   This is soo fucking over.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 23, 2012 11:31 AM (wR+pz)

121 Well you can't have a ship in tow places at once. The most advanced well armed ship in the world is no good defending Taiwan if it is in the Persian Gulf.

Quite frankly, THIS is why I'm disappointed we don't have freakin' Star Destroyers.  From HEO, it would only take 3 to ruin everyone's day.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 23, 2012 11:31 AM (8y9MW)

122 "do more with less"  is called "normality" in the Coast Guard.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - I'm Back in Slacks! at October 23, 2012 11:31 AM (hLRSq)

123 Good and Plenty Clause!!!

Posted by: The Real Greg at October 23, 2012 11:31 AM (aKt3y)

124 77 They are saying Romney was not well last night.


His voice sounded a little weak to me, like he is fighting a cold.

Posted by: real joe, almost tasting victory at October 23, 2012 11:32 AM (Mea7K)

125 Torquewrench is right.

I was very disappointed in GWBush's failure to provide strategic thought, guidance, and rationality to DoN in terms of fleet size and shipbuilding.

Most of teh Navy's problems are of their own making. Letting the Navy run the Navy has had bad consequences.

Posted by: xbradtc at October 23, 2012 11:32 AM (+FFD7)

126 113...do you have a link?

Posted by: kawfytawk at October 23, 2012 11:32 AM (JWLqy)

127 By the way, I notice that Greg used to comment mostly at night. Now he's busy in the afternoon. I'm guessing he flunked out of whatever college he was at, and now he's back in Mom's spare bedroom.

Posted by: Trimegistus at October 23, 2012 11:33 AM (lrvnD)

128 All of them, one implicitly, the others fall within the powers of regulating commerce.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 03:28 PM (s2fu6)


Typical example of trying to sound smarter than you are.  You mean explicitly, not implicitly.

Posted by: TH at October 23, 2012 11:33 AM (AprKJ)

129 I was hoping for a close up of Obama saying bayonettes and Horses...

Posted by: miikeb at October 23, 2012 11:33 AM (3hezO)

130 Was it Romney that said that the weaker your military, the less your foreign policy positions seem to matter, or something to that effect?

Posted by: Heralder at October 23, 2012 11:33 AM (+xmn4)

131 Obama's thinking way ahead of you wingnuts -- after the oceans recede we won't need a navy. Posted by: Uncledave at October 23, 2012 03:30 PM (nJ32z)

I guess he's not thinking too hard.

After the oceans recede we'll need a MUCH bigger Army.

Posted by: Se at October 23, 2012 11:33 AM (sbV1u)

132 Navy?  Yeah I've been in the Navy, I am the injuin.


http://tinyurl.com/4dbgfa

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 11:33 AM (wR+pz)

133 Jim Webb?  Is that the tough talking Scots-Irish Democrat who is tough talking and ready to talk tough on national security issues, no matter whose toes he steps on?  I can't think of anyone who tanked for the Dem Party quicker once he got to Washington.  Has he said a word since he got there?  Has he "talked tough" like the tough guy that he is. 

Posted by: ejo at October 23, 2012 11:33 AM (GXvSO)

134 For all the wonderful advancements in technology in the last century, we still haven't figure out how to get a ship in more than one place at one time. Why, hello there! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment

Posted by: Philadelphia Experiment at October 23, 2012 11:33 AM (XvHmy)

135 OT: Anyone see the Twitter stuff hit the fan over Michelle Malkin? A female scumbag said she hoped Michelle Malkin's daughter would "die a slow painful death from ovarian cancer." Some guy, who's now my hero - don't know his name, Tweeted the female scumbag's name, address, phone number. The female scumbag's apologizing like crazy now. I'm loving that shit. Posted by: Dang© at October 23, 2012 03:30 PM (R18D0) I'm always afraid for ppl like Michelle. The left is so vile -- towards anyone conservative. Especially those sticking their necks out a little farther to help the rest of us.

Posted by: 14 days at October 23, 2012 11:34 AM (LpQbZ)

136

4 There's more than a couple Maine residents working at the Portsmoth Navy yard.

__________________


Portsmouth Navy Yard technically is in Kittery Maine

Posted by: Uncle Milty at October 23, 2012 11:34 AM (8J5Ck)

137 Hussein Obama must know about some new fangled technology that lets U.S. warships be a couple of places at once if he doesn't think the Navy needs more ships. <<...>>

Posted by: guns at October 23, 2012 03:29 PM (z7HWo)


Maybe he thinks the transporters on Star Trek are real?

Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 23, 2012 11:34 AM (qEkGZ)

138 113 OT: Anyone see the Twitter stuff hit the fan over Michelle Malkin? A female scumbag said she hoped Michelle Malkin's daughter would "die a slow painful death from ovarian cancer." Some guy, who's now my hero - don't know his name, Tweeted the female scumbag's name, address, phone number. The female scumbag's apologizing like crazy now. I'm loving that shit.

Posted by: Dang© at October 23, 2012 03:30 PM (R18D0)



Have a link?

Posted by: Tami at October 23, 2012 11:34 AM (X6akg)

139 The national debt needs to be cut; it is imperative!

and

Military spending must be raised (again); it is imperative!

---

Percentage of countries that no longer exist because they did not have enough military power at the right time to all countries that ever existed:  99.99999%

Percentage of countries that no longer exist because they didn't subsidize solar and alternative energy enough to all countries that ever existed:  0.00000%

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 23, 2012 11:34 AM (Hx5uv)

140

greg,

Wasn't that you at the bottom of the pyramid?

At Abu Ghraib?

I think they called you the "cellblock bitch".

Posted by: SMOD 2012 at October 23, 2012 11:34 AM (Cc3Vx)

141  I think we could adjust the force mix to better reflect the new realities - the huge carrier fleet could be supplemented with smaller ships using drones or Harriers for operation against smaller targets that don't need a complete carrier task force.

Plus 3 or 4 small groups could cover more targets than 1 big one.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 23, 2012 03:14 PM (z1N6a)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

Agree.  But we still need to build new ships that are compatible with the mission as well as modifying older ships for the same reason.

 

Plus, there needs to be a push and/or incentives for young people to consider the military as a viable  career or, at least, a valuble growing up experience.  We'll need more personnel in the military.  That really is the  key.

Posted by: Soona at October 23, 2012 11:35 AM (Uq53m)

142 Lets not forget that WI is playing a large role in the building of Navy Littoral ships up in Marinette...

I hope R/R mentions this when they hit our fine State again soon.

Posted by: H Badger at October 23, 2012 11:35 AM (n/0Nw)

143 CNN is reporting that Romney's PAC is buying ad time in Maine! Heh.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 23, 2012 11:35 AM (TMB3S)

144 @128 Actually, both work in the context. Regardless, mere distraction my friend.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 11:35 AM (s2fu6)

145 Evidently Greg is unfamiliar that there are other accounts in the Federal budget besides Defense.

Yeah, like 80 percent's worth of accounts. Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security together are double defense spending, while discretionary spending equals defense.

Posted by: Llarry at October 23, 2012 11:35 AM (JgHoa)

146 Greg please post your address and phone number so we can check up on you throughout election night to make sure you haven't suffered severe emotional trauma, committed suicide, or accidentally choked on your skittles from the shock of hearing that Romeny is the next President.

We want you around for a long time and want to ensure you stay healthy and safe....after all, no village is complete without it's idiot.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 11:36 AM (ovpNn)

147 Without that, you are simply asking the Navy to do more with less and that won't work for long.
--
For decades, that's already been the case.


Posted by: panzernashorn at October 23, 2012 11:36 AM (BAnPT)

148 more sugar: David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog "And also, I believe I have luxuriant cascading mane of hair." RT @tobyharnden Axelrod: "This is a race we believe we're leading."

Posted by: 14 days at October 23, 2012 11:36 AM (LpQbZ)

149 SIZE MATTERS.

Posted by: @ParisParamus at October 23, 2012 11:36 AM (lkG6y)

150 You could actually help this by having duplicate crews like they do on the big subs.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 23, 2012 03:30 PM (z1N6a)


There are just over 100 people on a fast attack sub. An operating carrier with air crew runs over 5,000 people. Plus the wear and tear on a 90,000 ton carrier requires a lot more maintenance after a cruise.

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 11:36 AM (YdQQY)

151 " ... we have far, far more global interests and responsibilities"

*cough*

Posted by: Gerry at October 23, 2012 11:36 AM (OY1go)

152 94 Exactly.Which is why every new project is gold plated,late and way,way over budget.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2012 11:36 AM (6o4Fb)

153 Obama threw unicorns under the bus.

Posted by: Cheetah at October 23, 2012 11:36 AM (zXhtZ)

154

"CNN is reporting that Romney's PAC is buying ad time in Maine!"

 

IIRC, Romney is actually leading in one of the CDs in Maine, which means he would pick up an EV from that state.  In this election, that's well worth the investment.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 23, 2012 11:37 AM (+inic)

155 submarines are not called ships ...  never have been ...  they are "boats" no matter how big they are now ...  just another corpse-man moment ...

Posted by: JeffC at October 23, 2012 11:37 AM (A3tpD)

156 Do you mean to say that Sir Mittens treated the debate as a mere photo-op, fodder for his nefarious adverts?  That's not very respectful of the office.

Posted by: Blackface Portman at October 23, 2012 11:37 AM (2ZE+B)

157 Oh,and JEF?Those "ships that planes land on",we have less of those than we've had in a very long time.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2012 11:38 AM (6o4Fb)

158 I'm always afraid for ppl like Michelle. The left is so vile -- towards anyone conservative. Especially those sticking their necks out a little farther to help the rest of us. Posted by: 14 days at October 23, 2012 03:34 PM (LpQbZ) I do too...the oh so *tolerant* libs were insanely cruel when her niece went missing

Posted by: kawfytawk at October 23, 2012 11:38 AM (JWLqy)

159 54 "Is this the thread on Rum, Sodomy the Lash?"

No, that's tonight's open thread.   ----------   PINKY: What's the ONT going to be about tonight, Brain?   THE BRAIN: Same thing it's about every night, Pinky. Rum, sodomy, and the lash.  

Posted by: Anachronda at October 23, 2012 11:38 AM (FzhYM)

160 >>IIRC, Romney is actually leading in one of the CDs in Maine, which means he would pick up an EV from that state. In this election, that's well worth the investment. If you are spending valuable ad money in the last two weeks of a campaign in ME for 1 EV, you are doing well in places you have to win.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 23, 2012 11:38 AM (TMB3S)

161

I'm still wondering who's saying they don't want 2 trillion dollars.

Posted by: trailer narrator voice at October 23, 2012 11:39 AM (xXhWA)

162 Undecided voters better help to elect a POTUS who attends every intelligence briefing, and at least READS the bills before signing into law.

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 23, 2012 11:39 AM (BAnPT)

163 Everyone wants to check up on my health on election night it seems. I am very thankful; y'all are truly compassionate. However, let's switch sides: What will you do when Obama wins? Do you want me on standby to call the ambulance?

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 11:39 AM (s2fu6)

164 I guess Obama also didn't realize that when you send a carrier, you don't just send a carrier. You send a fleet of support ships. The Navy still sorta needs those support ships to support the carrier. So, reduce the fleet and you reduce the operational ability of the carrier.

But then again, this is an idiot who doesn't know the word "corpseman".

The expertise the SCoaMF has about the military couldn't fill a spent casing.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 23, 2012 11:39 AM (eHIJJ)

165 74 @67 You should run an ad claiming that. I'm sure you will win.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 03:24 PM (s2fu6)


Please don't do that.  They will kick me out of my public housing, take my EBT card and no more free visits to the Emergency room.

Fuck Greg will have to go to work and get out of the basement.


On second thought, do it.


Posted by: Greg's mom at October 23, 2012 11:39 AM (wR+pz)

166 The increase in troll activity today smells like....desperation.

Posted by: wheatie at October 23, 2012 11:39 AM (ipkPX)

167

" ... For all the wonderful advancements in technology in the last century, we still haven't figure out how to get a ship in more than one place at one time. ..."

 

EXACTLY.

Posted by: Optimizer at October 23, 2012 11:40 AM (R4cjW)

168 If you are spending valuable ad money in the last two weeks of a campaign in ME for 1 EV, you are doing well in places you have to win.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 23, 2012 03:38 PM (TMB3S)


Yep.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 23, 2012 11:41 AM (qEkGZ)

169 A female scumbag said she hoped Michelle Malkin's daughter would "die a
slow painful death from ovarian cancer."

Remind me who hates women.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 23, 2012 11:41 AM (ZKzrr)

170

@59- "Conservative Paradox:"

Interesting point. Stupid, but interesting.

Liberal paradox:

"I'll erase the budget deficit by having millionaires pay a little more."

No budgets in 4 years.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at October 23, 2012 11:41 AM (18VcZ)

171 war on women. Conservative women

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2012 11:41 AM (Dnbau)

172 God forbid we lose a ship. The loss of a single vessel is much more devastating with fewer ships in the Navy.

Posted by: Tommy V at October 23, 2012 11:42 AM (ZYlKz)

173 Obama essentially dissed most members of the armed forces with one juvenile comment.
============
There was also the bit where he claimed he knew better how to invest R&D than the private sector.
It's an old trope among the left, that the only reason we don't have flying cars is because the oil companies suppress the technology.

Damn, they have been riding NASA's coattails for 40 years.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 23, 2012 11:42 AM (imtbm)

174 I read something at another site a few years ago, people in Great Britain tried to screw with the Ohio voters to vote for John Kerry. I wish I had printed that one, but Ohio went for Bush and with TFG insulting everyone, now he's still using Romnesia as a comparison to Stage 3 Cancer, he has 13 days to go and he will have insulted just about everyone. Romney is going to win by a landslide.

Posted by: CarolT at October 23, 2012 11:42 AM (z4WKX)

175 What will you do when Obama wins? Do you want me on standby to call the ambulance?

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 03:39 PM (s2fu6)


I actually have a plane ticket to Spain.  Win or lose.  We lose, I am looking for a villa, we win I looking for a villa. 


Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at October 23, 2012 11:42 AM (wR+pz)

176 There are just over 100 people on a fast attack sub. An operating carrier with air crew runs over 5,000 people. Plus the wear and tear on a 90,000 ton carrier requires a lot more maintenance after a cruise.

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 03:36 PM (YdQQY)

Well, in WWII we used to rotate out air wings independently of the ship. 

But you're right, its harder for the big ships. One of the reasons I want to get to smaller ships that can support more limited operations - (like special ops) smaller 'escort carriers' and helicopter ships and save the big fellows for the actual wars.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 23, 2012 11:43 AM (z1N6a)

177 >>Gary L Bauer ?@GaryLBauer FOX reports that @MittRomney will run 30 min infomercial in battleground states. #tcot #lynnedebate Whiteboard time.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 23, 2012 11:44 AM (TMB3S)

178 "do more with less" is called "normality" in the Coast Guard.

In Katrina, the Coasties rescued more people by helicopter than make up the entire service itself.

Plus, the Coasties have the best snipers in the world.

The Precision Marksman Observer Team (PMOT) from the USCG's Maritime Security Response Team (MSRT) cover boarding parties, and the Helicopter Interdiction Tactical Squadron (HITRON) shoot out the motors of speedboats with .50 caliber rifles.

Posted by: Llarry at October 23, 2012 11:44 AM (JgHoa)

179

They should play old Obama clips.  You know, "We are the ones we've been waiting for," "when the oceans ceased rising, and the Earth began to heal", "a light will shine down from heaven, and you will realize that you must vote for Barack", he's "The One".

 

You know, all the old favorites...

 

[OK, OK, the folks that voted for Obama are embarrassed enough!  Maybe save it for a victory party - after the election!  Hey!  THAT'S what you can play whilst empuddening!!!] 

Posted by: Optimizer at October 23, 2012 11:44 AM (R4cjW)

180 117 "I still can't figure out what horses have to do with the Navy?" They use them to pull the ironclads, of course. Up and down the Erie Canal. Which, btw, is the ONLY canal that we haven't given away yet.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 23, 2012 11:45 AM (GFM2b)

181 Oldcat, we rotated CAGs back then because they quickly became depleted faster than the CVs needed yard overhauls.

Conversely, if a carrier was damaged, but the CAG wasn't, it made sense to keep the wing in the fight.

Posted by: xbradtc at October 23, 2012 11:45 AM (+FFD7)

182 Air Force people in CO aren't gonna like last night comments either.

Thanks for noticing, but the whole Air Force is not in Colorado.
Know where there's a whole bunch of 'em, and civilian contractors too?

Wright-Patterson AFB. In Dayton.

Ohio.

Posted by: comatus at October 23, 2012 11:45 AM (qaVK+)

183 Of course Obama doesn't understand the importance of ships.  After all, he walks on water.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 23, 2012 11:45 AM (Hx5uv)

184
What will you do when Obama wins? Do you want me on standby to call the ambulance?

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 03:39 PM (s2fu6)


We are dealing with reality here Gregie, not incredible shrinking firewall fantasy football hypotheticals.


Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 11:46 AM (ovpNn)

185 Gary L Bauer ?@GaryLBauer
FOX reports that @MittRomney will run 30 min infomercial in battleground states. #tcot #lynnedebate

Whiteboard time.

I have it on good authority that he will be using the time to convince voters to adopt his retirement plan, which revolves around reverse mortgages.

As he should.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 23, 2012 11:46 AM (SY2Kh)

186

What will you do when Obama wins?

 

Wake up from the ngihtmare and watch the real returns.  You're beat, gimpy.  And it's not even close.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 23, 2012 11:46 AM (B+qrE)

187 177 >>Gary L Bauer ?@GaryLBauer
FOX reports that @MittRomney will run 30 min infomercial in battleground states. #tcot #lynnedebate


Like THIS.........     http://tinyurl.com/3owm6l


The best of "THE SPEECH" that started it all.   Watch it Greg, we've been fighting you assholes for a LONG time.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 23, 2012 11:46 AM (wR+pz)

188 USS Enterprise (CVN-65) is scheduled to be deactivated on 1 December 2012

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at October 23, 2012 11:46 AM (e8kgV)

189 Well, in WWII we used to rotate out air wings independently of the ship.


They still do that with the air wings but only the air wings.  And they do have smaller ships for SO and Marine amphibian operations.



The large carriers are used to project force and typically the minimum size of a task force group would be the carrier, a tin can, and a sub. That is what we ran in 'Nam.  I understand now they have gone to two tin cans.

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 11:46 AM (YdQQY)

190  Bayonets, Binders and Battleships.

Oy...my head.


Posted by: dananjcon at October 23, 2012 11:47 AM (eavT+)

191 I think we could adjust the force mix to better reflect the new realities - the huge carrier fleet could be supplemented with smaller ships using drones or Harriers for operation against smaller targets that don't need a complete carrier task force.Plus 3 or 4 small groups could cover more targets than 1 big one. Posted by: Oldcat at October 23, 2012 03:14 PM (z1N6a)

Respectfully disagree.  You can't project naval power where you don't have air superiority.  In addition, there are some situations where air power is vastly preferable to surface ship deployment (example: Straits of Hormuz vs. Iranian/Pasdaran speed boat swarm). After the retirement of Enterprise in December, we will only have 10 carriers in the fleet, which is only enough to keep 3 on station (4 if you extend deployments, or shorten yard and training periods).  That's just not enough.

Posted by: TH at October 23, 2012 11:47 AM (AprKJ)

192

Looks like 'Operation Depress the Conservative Vote' is percolating in Florida.

 

Republicans in Florida have been receiving bogus 'Notices' claiming to be from immigration...telling them there is a problem with their citizenship, and that they cannot vote in this election.

 

Fox has been reporting on this for hours now.

 

These bogus 'Notices' have only been sent to registered Republicans.

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 23, 2012 11:47 AM (ipkPX)

193 Oh, I get it.  Female scumbag was just following her idol, because cancer is hilarious.

http://is.gd/uUlrBC


Nyuk.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 23, 2012 11:47 AM (ZKzrr)

194 Another failed promise, Obama was going to lower the sea's - thats why he didnt need as many ships.

Posted by: Jean at October 23, 2012 11:48 AM (ytax8)

195 FOX reports that @MittRomney will run 30 min infomercial in battleground states. #tcot #lynnedebate

Whiteboard time.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 23, 2012 03:44 PM (TMB3S)



Whoa!!!  That's gotta cost a chunk of change.  30 minutes!?

Posted by: Tami at October 23, 2012 11:48 AM (X6akg)

196 Air Force people in CO aren't gonna like last night comments either.

The Obama campaign doesn't care about military votes- they made sure that the DOD conveniently forgot to send out absentee military ballots.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 23, 2012 11:48 AM (SY2Kh)

197 157 Poor Barry. Prepping for last night's debate, his neat "new" facts made him feel all smug and smarty pants in debate, an actor who played a professor spoon feeding the audience his cool vocabulary that included "horses and bayonets," too. He can't help that he was born with a hoof in his mouth.

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 23, 2012 11:48 AM (BAnPT)

198 By the way, when I referred to the Reagan years as having been the last healthy years for U.S. naval shipbuilding, I omitted to note something key.

The guy who as SECNAV was the architect of that buildup, John Lehman, has been quietly advising Romney from behind the scenes.

Lehman also was the one who pushed the USN to adopt the "maritime strategy" to pressure the Soviet Union militarily in their northern waters. Controversial at the time. A masterstroke in retrospect.

That was one of several key U.S. top level military policy changes, along with Pershing II in Europe and the Strategic Defense Initiative, which compelled the Sovs to panic and overspend in an attempt to counter these new capabilities. Overspending that helped hasten their collapse.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 23, 2012 11:49 AM (ymG7s)

199

 

Why would you ever need a larger navy?

Posted by: China (who is certainly NOT massively increasing their naval forces) at October 23, 2012 11:49 AM (ggRof)

200 I think this is all that's left of the Michelle Malkin Twitter dust-up.

https://twitter.com/janagailwootton

Posted by: Dang© at October 23, 2012 11:49 AM (R18D0)

201 31 They have shipyards in Ohio. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 23, 2012 03:17 PM (8sCoq)

**


Wasn't George Steinbrenner's family the big ship builders on Oiho??

Posted by: dananjcon at October 23, 2012 11:49 AM (eavT+)

202 30 min infomercial? More like a short documentary!

Posted by: IC at October 23, 2012 11:50 AM (a0IVu)

203 Why would you ever need a larger navy?

I have no idea.

Posted by: Strait of Hormuz at October 23, 2012 11:50 AM (SY2Kh)

204  One of the reasons I want to get to smaller ships that can support more limited operations - (like special ops) smaller 'escort carriers' and helicopter ships and save the big fellows for the actual wars.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 23, 2012 03:43 PM (z1N6a)

 

 

-------------------------------------------------

 

 

We still need more "big fellas".  Nothing projects power and intimidation like 5 acres of American sovereignty parked off the coast.

Posted by: Soona at October 23, 2012 11:51 AM (Uq53m)

205 190 Bayonets, Binders and Battleships.

Oy...my head.


We approve of this message.

Posted by: The Better Busines Bureau at October 23, 2012 11:51 AM (wR+pz)

206 Last night Obama thought he was being really clever with his "horses and bayonets" line. Doubly funny and triply pathetic, as the Dems are the treasonously stupid ones who tried to show off their support for great naval power with a picture of the friggin Russian navy at their America-hating convention. The fact is that the number of ships required by any navy to actually rule the seas has only increased over time. We have more cars now than we did in 1917, too, and need them more - military and civilian. Barky and his leftist junta are so proud of their obnoxious ignorance. It's a crime against the intellect.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 23, 2012 11:51 AM (X3lox)

207 200 I think this is all that's left of the Michelle Malkin Twitter dust-up.

https://twitter.com/janagailwootton

Posted by: Dang© at October 23, 2012 03:49 PM (R18D0)



Did she delete the original tweet?

Posted by: Tami at October 23, 2012 11:51 AM (X6akg)

208

 

Who's talking about polls?  I'm pretending to be conservative again!

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 11:51 AM (ggRof)

209 "Yes, and every timer there is a conflict somewhere they want to send a carrier group. Those are shrinking."

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 03:13 PM (YdQQY)

 

Or a tsunami, or an earthquake.  Either Obama is tired of the USN bringing quick relief to people in major disasters, or he is tired of the USN showing up the pathetic UN responders, who helicopter in weeks after the fact and sit in the nearest five-star hotels talking to cameras and each other.

Posted by: 66chevelle at October 23, 2012 11:52 AM (QjSgY)

210 177 >>Gary L Bauer ?@GaryLBauer FOX reports that @MittRomney will run 30 min infomercial in battleground states. #tcot #lynnedebate Whiteboard time. Posted by: JackStraw at October 23, 2012 03:44 PM (TMB3S) ____________ Whiteboard? RACISSSSSSSSSSSSST. But really... this is going to be great. I hope they spend it all by Nov 6.

Posted by: Dante at October 23, 2012 11:52 AM (NWLVJ)

211 What will you do when Obama wins? Do you want me on standby to call the ambulance?

Why? Nobody here died when he won in 2008. We said, "Shit," and got on with our lives.

It's your side that's getting more and more frenzied by the day. Look at you, pretending to be a conservative because you've personalized politics to the extent that you have to playact like a first grader.

I'll bet you $1000 that not a single regular commenter here has ever gone on a liberal blog and pretended to be liberal just to try and demoralize the opposition.

It's abnormal behavior. It shows a horrifying personal deficit in your life. Your deep, abiding devotion to a politician is simply not healthy.

Posted by: Llarry at October 23, 2012 11:52 AM (JgHoa)

212 The large carriers are used to project force and typically the minimum size of a task force group would be the carrier, a tin can, and a sub. >>

I found a nifty slideshow about the carrier fleet.

http://www.slideshare.net/halffast/3-carrier-groups-plus-the-uss-new-york

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 23, 2012 11:53 AM (tf9Ne)

213 201 "Wasn't George Steinbrenner's family the big ship builders on Oiho??"

Yes.

And we come full circle, having started with Obama's George Costanza moment

Posted by: The Q at October 23, 2012 11:53 AM (B/yDO)

214 I am completely opposed to the United States having such an overwhelming monopoly in naval force. These warships, the construction of which made so much money for the Wall Street machine, should be turned over to the command of the United Nations. They can then be used to end illegal wars through kinetic action and move to stop racism rather than to fight illegal Republican wars against brown people.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at October 23, 2012 11:54 AM (h9WhI)

215 By the way, when I referred to the Reagan years as having been the last healthy years for U.S. naval shipbuilding, I omitted to note something key.

The guy who as SECNAV was the architect of that buildup, John Lehman, has been quietly advising Romney from behind the scenes.

Lehman also was the one who pushed the USN to adopt the "maritime strategy" to pressure the Soviet Union militarily in their northern waters. Controversial at the time. A masterstroke in retrospect.

That was one of several key U.S. top level military policy changes, along with Pershing II in Europe and the Strategic Defense Initiative, which compelled the Sovs to panic and overspend in an attempt to counter these new capabilities. Overspending that helped hasten their collapse.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 23, 2012 03:49 PM (ymG7s)


Oh that's good news. I didn't realize Lehman was still around, much less advising Romney.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 23, 2012 11:54 AM (qEkGZ)

216 Whiteboard time.


SMOD/Whiteboard baby.   Feel the burn!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at October 23, 2012 11:54 AM (Gk3SS)

217 201 I think Florida.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2012 11:54 AM (6o4Fb)

218 131 After the oceans recede we'll need a MUCH bigger Army...   ---------   ...with MANY more bayonets.  

Posted by: Anachronda at October 23, 2012 11:54 AM (FzhYM)

219 Which, btw, is the ONLY canal that we haven't given away yet.

The Indiana Harbor and Ship Canal is still owned/operated by the Army Corps of Engineers.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 23, 2012 11:54 AM (ZKzrr)

220

Who needs a Navy anyhow.  Most stuff comes by high speed rail.

 

Except maybe:

 

“At the port of Los Angeles total tonnage in 2012, to reach 66.7mn tonnes.

 

At the East Coast port of New York/New Jersey (NY/NJ), in 2012, to reach 145.4mn tonnes.”

Posted by: DumboTheAvenger at October 23, 2012 11:54 AM (XrGnJ)

221 I think this is all that's left of the Michelle Malkin Twitter dust-up.

https://twitter.com/janagailwootton


Posted by: Dang© at October 23, 2012 03:49 PM (R18D0)


Did she delete the original tweet?

Posted by: Tami at October 23, 2012 03:51 PM (X6akg)


Nevermind....found it on Malkin's timeline.   Good grief people are unhinged.

Posted by: Tami at October 23, 2012 11:55 AM (X6akg)

222 192 Looks like 'Operation Depress the Conservative Vote' is percolating in Florida. Republicans in Florida have been receiving bogus 'Notices' claiming to be from immigration...telling them there is a problem with their citizenship, and that they cannot vote in this election. Fox has been reporting on this for hours now. These bogus 'Notices' have only been sent to registered Republicans. --- AG Rudy will be busy come January.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 23, 2012 11:55 AM (e0xKF)

223 215 Yes,this made me very happy when I read about it some time ago.Romney has some top men advising him(real top men not our joking "top men")

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2012 11:55 AM (6o4Fb)

224 ir Force people in CO aren't gonna like last night comments either. Thanks for noticing, but the whole Air Force is not in Colorado. Know where there's a whole bunch of 'em, and civilian contractors too? Wright-Patterson AFB. In Dayton. Ohio. Posted by: comatus at October 23, 2012 03:45 PM (qaVK+) my bad. I did forgot. What made the JEFs comments about the military so good last night? Seems he is crapping all over swing state voters.

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2012 11:55 AM (Dnbau)

225 @211 Llarry I don't tend to visit liberal blogs. Daily Kos, Krugman, etc. they are just as delusional as people on this blog. I am merely stating the fact on the ground: this election is not a cakewalk for Romney.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 11:56 AM (s2fu6)

226 Wisconsin, nowhere near, not even close to FL, VA or NH as being a Navy State. But we are still a Navy State. Some really fine Navy Ships being built here in Wisconsin that do provide jobs.

Posted by: blindgoose at October 23, 2012 11:56 AM (a6qEC)

227 Not surprisingly,Obama's SecNav is a SCoaMF.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2012 11:57 AM (6o4Fb)

228 Barry: I know all about the Navy. Because I'm very familiar with semen

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 23, 2012 11:57 AM (1Jaio)

229 @212

Can not get it to work.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 23, 2012 11:57 AM (wR+pz)

230 Oh on the carrier slide show at 212. I thought the pilot of the plane looked familiar. Those images were shot for a movie on the real carrier. The pilot is Jessica Beil crappy movie was Stealth.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 23, 2012 11:58 AM (tf9Ne)

231 Anybody need a slightly used 3 legged dog? Lord, I love these people. http://goo.gl/0gjFs

Posted by: Redd at October 23, 2012 11:58 AM (RoEtU)

232 @ChrisLaibleFN: FOX News has learned @Mittromney is planning to run a 30-minute infomercial in TBD battleground states in the coming days

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at October 23, 2012 11:58 AM (DGIjM)

233 117 - "I still can't figure out what horses have to do with the Navy?"

Sing it Lyle...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4evzpIVnMVs

Posted by: Uncledave at October 23, 2012 11:58 AM (nJ32z)

234

This thread needs....something....

 

Oh yeah.

A little bit of...US Navy - Hell Yeah!

 

http:/ /youtu.be/ud-at_mpGSU

Posted by: wheatie at October 23, 2012 11:58 AM (ipkPX)

235 Tami; whenever I comment, I hit post and then do a little happy dance of joy joy joy and then scroll down to see my words blazoned upon the moronosphere for everyone to admire and snark.

THEN I run away.

Posted by: Jcw46 at October 23, 2012 11:59 AM (Vh0f5)

236 I am merely stating the fact on the ground: this election is not a cakewalk for Romney.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 03:56 PM (s2fu6) 


Remember that next week when the cascade really begins.  Obama's smirking condescending rude performance last night was the the final crack in the damn.


Greg, sweetie, it is fucking over.


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 23, 2012 11:59 AM (wR+pz)

237 Barry: I know all about the Navy. Did you see the naval photo at our convention? Case closed

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 23, 2012 11:59 AM (1Jaio)

238 Patrick Ruffini @PatrickRuffini Obama ceases polling in Virginia? bit.ly/TwAkKG

Posted by: Evilpens at October 23, 2012 12:00 PM (ck76k)

239 "No budgets in 4 years."

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at October 23, 2012 03:41 PM (18VcZ)

 

Yeah, I was screaming that at the TV last night.  That, and "How come Romney's not talking about Leading From Behind??" after SCOAMF bragged about putting together the Libya Bombing Consortium.

Posted by: 66chevelle at October 23, 2012 12:00 PM (QjSgY)

240 @228

Thread winner.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 23, 2012 12:00 PM (wR+pz)

241

"What will you do when Obama wins?"

 

Buy a Greek island.  I hear Naxos is pretty nice.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 23, 2012 12:00 PM (+inic)

242 Torque, why do I suspect you're a fellow reader of Information Dissemination?

Posted by: xbradtc at October 23, 2012 12:00 PM (+FFD7)

243 What are you all talking about?  Of course I'm a filthy stinking evil... I mean, a conservative.  The glee with which I breathlessly proclaim an Obama victory is because my boyfriend... I mean, President Obama is totally a conservative, just like me.

Derp!

Posted by: New Fake Gerg at October 23, 2012 12:01 PM (aHR5E)

244 the JEF is no longer polling in VA? Hello collapse

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2012 12:01 PM (Dnbau)

245 What worries me most now is Holder and the DOJ(I find that department name so ironic these days).

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2012 12:01 PM (6o4Fb)

246 Poor Barry. Prepping for last night's debate, his neat "new" facts made him feel all smug and smarty pants in debate, an actor who played a professor spoon feeding the audience his cool vocabulary that included "horses and bayonets," too. He can't help that he was born with a hoof in his mouth.

---

John F'in' Kerry was his debate prep guy.  In 2004 when Kerry had delusions of adequacy for the White House, W had a minor bicycle accident and Kerry quipped, "Did the training wheels fall off?"  It was the snarky humor of a spoiled three year old and was most definitely not presidential.  Now F'in' John is preping Obama and we have the same condescending, spoiled toddler humor.  Obama picked the wrong guy to prep him.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 23, 2012 12:02 PM (Hx5uv)

247 This thread needs....something....

Oh yeah.
A little bit of...US Navy - Hell Yeah!

http:/ /youtu.be/ud-at_mpGSU

Posted by: wheatie at October 23, 2012 03:58 PM (ipkPX)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

Let's not get carried away.  The people who do the "real work" are the Army and Marines.   They need  our support as much as the chickens of the sea.

Posted by: Soona at October 23, 2012 12:02 PM (Uq53m)

248 161 I'm still wondering who's saying they don't want 2 trillion dollars. The toddler on the Capital One commercials?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 23, 2012 12:03 PM (GFM2b)

249 What's with trash talking the horses?

Posted by: Sarah Jessica Parker at October 23, 2012 12:03 PM (QDOTI)

250 In a 269-269 electoral tie (a real though not likely possibility), Romney wins by House vote.  But what do you think the Dem Senate would do?

Would enough Dems cross the isle to give Ryan the VP slot?  Or would they be petulant and elect Biden or Obama as Mitt's VP?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 23, 2012 12:03 PM (SY2Kh)

251 O's No's: Not that it means anything, but SCOAMF is collapsing on InTrade - now 5.72 / 5.73

Sell, Mortimer.

Posted by: Randolph Duke at October 23, 2012 12:03 PM (WuAJB)

252 Obama Hears a Who
"I say what I mean and I mean what I say"
He for got to add
A person's a person, no matter how small

Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 23, 2012 12:04 PM (AREf/)

253 Or would they be petulant and elect Biden or Obama as Mitt's VP?

---

Like TFG would accept a position where he's actually answerable to someone.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 23, 2012 12:04 PM (aHR5E)

254

Liberals  love the concept of preventative  medicine  and spending money for early testing  in the medical world  as a cost savings device, even  though several studies have debunked  the cost savings value to them.  But  when it comes to the military, they  do not see the same  value.  Having a strong  Navy that allows the US to project  itself  in the world  is far cheaper than a  war.  Maybe we should call it preventative  defense  instead of Peace through  strength. 

 

It is very easy to see a hot war break out over a tiny island.  One that could easily be prevented by simply having our Navy in the region to prevent a certain country from making any forward movements in the first place.  That is what a strong Navy does for you.

Posted by: SH at October 23, 2012 12:05 PM (gmeXX)

255 250 In a 269-269 electoral tie (a real though not likely possibility), Romney wins by House vote. But what do you think the Dem Senate would do? --- The votes would be done by the NEW Senate. Depending on the composition of the new Senate, I could see a very small number of Dems crossing over to save their own asses, like a Mark Pryor or Mary Landrieu.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 23, 2012 12:05 PM (e0xKF)

256 Outstanding!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2012 12:05 PM (oSFWF)

257 Last I heard, Marines can't walk on water (no matter what they tell you) and they can't breathe under water (for too long with out help).

We may only be taxi drivers but we come armed to the teeth with air cover, artillery support, medivacs and close in air to ground support.

It's a team not a competition. (well, when it counts anyway. the rest of the time is just good fun. f'n jarheads)

Posted by: Jcw46 at October 23, 2012 12:06 PM (Vh0f5)

258 It is very easy to see a hot war break out over a tiny island. One that could easily be prevented by simply having our Navy in the region to prevent a certain country from making any forward movements in the first place. That is what a strong Navy does for you. Posted by: SH at October 23, 2012 04:05 PM (gmeXX) or the straits of Hormuz as previously mentioned

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2012 12:06 PM (Dnbau)

259 Would enough Dems cross the isle to give Ryan the VP slot? Or would they be petulant and elect Biden or Obama as Mitt's VP?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 23, 2012 04:03 PM (SY2Kh)


That's a rhetorical question, yes?

Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 23, 2012 12:06 PM (qEkGZ)

260 Does anyone know where Greg(tm) is? He called our offices this morning ranting and raving incoherently about our polling methodology> We're concerned about him and don't want to see anything bad happen - he seems like such a fragile soul. Oh and the last leg of the stool (i.e. inTrade) has broken against the President - now below 60 / from 78 to below 60 in < a month

Posted by: The wonderful people at Gallup at October 23, 2012 12:06 PM (4eNxd)

261 We may only be taxi drivers but we come armed to the teeth with air cover, artillery support, medivacs and close in air to ground support. Armed to the Teeth! Thank- You from a Navy Dentist---Finally someone noticed: You can't fight, if you can't bite!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2012 12:07 PM (oSFWF)

262 Sarah jessica Parker walks in to a bar . . .

(sorry that joke NEVER gets old)

Posted by: Jcw46 at October 23, 2012 12:07 PM (Vh0f5)

263 224 ir Force people in CO aren't gonna like last night comments either. Thanks for noticing, but the whole Air Force is not in Colorado. Know where there's a whole bunch of 'em, and civilian contractors too? Wright-Patterson AFB. In Dayton. Ohio. Posted by: comatus at October 23, 2012 03:45 PM (qaVK+) My brother was in the Air Force and went to specialty training in Colorado.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at October 23, 2012 12:07 PM (DGIjM)

264 OT: I took the missus down to vote.  In SC, you have to have a reason.  She is disabled and I am the caregiver.

What a treat it was to find out that we are no longer in Clyburn's district.  Made my day. 


Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at October 23, 2012 12:08 PM (he2LC)

265 We are also short carrier based aircraft. We need to double our TACAIR inventory.

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Dispatches) at October 23, 2012 12:08 PM (3xuEM)

266 What's with trash talking the horses?

Posted by: Sarah Jessica Parker at October 23, 2012 04:03 PM (QDOTI)


If Obama asks her for her vote she'll say, "Neighhhhh!"

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 23, 2012 12:09 PM (Hx5uv)

267 Llarry

I don't tend to visit liberal blogs. Daily Kos, Krugman, etc. they are just as delusional as people on this blog.

I am merely stating the fact on the ground: this election is not a cakewalk for Romney.

A while ago you were sneering that Obama had it in the bag, and now you're saying that the election is not a cakewalk for Romney. Quite a walkback from the way you were thumping your chest like an adolescent ape just a while ago. I guess reality is starting to penetrate.

Oh, and you're a shitty actor, too. You're not conservative. Nobody's buying your act. It's stupidly transparent because it's utterly scripted. Don't you get that the people here have heard your exact spiel 80,000 times? This is why your side is going to lose. You simply can't change the script.

Thank God, eh? Imagine the trouble we'd be in it you people could actually adapt and overcome. Your rigidity prevents that. You honestly can't believe that a corny Mormon is going to clean Obama's clock, so you just plow ahead with the same old playbook, waiting for the magic to kick in.

I think it's fantastic. I'm actually looking forward to an an election for once. The sheer misery and hysteria from your side will sustain me for months.

Posted by: Llarry at October 23, 2012 12:09 PM (JgHoa)

268 @234

I like this and Greg you can suck it. 


http://tinyurl.com/5n4gjw

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 23, 2012 12:09 PM (wR+pz)

269 Funding is so short that only about 60% of the people in my Unit ( Medical Unit) get to their Annual Training. And that is NOT good.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2012 12:10 PM (oSFWF)

270 New one

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 12:10 PM (YdQQY)

271

247....Let's not get carried away. The people who do the "real work" are the Army and Marines. They need our support as much as the chickens of the sea.

 

Posted by: Soona at October 23, 2012 04:02 PM (Uq53m)

 

------------

 

And Barky wants to cut funds to all of them, Soona.

 

God Bless all who serve, wherever they are.

If we prevail in this election...then help is on the way.

 

Posted by: wheatie at October 23, 2012 12:10 PM (ipkPX)

272 Did she delete the original tweet? Posted by: Tami at October 23, 2012 03:51 PM (X6akg) === jana did, but I think it is still up on michelle's. just go there and search jana

Posted by: 14 days at October 23, 2012 12:11 PM (LpQbZ)

273

I  agree we have limited  military dollars to spend, and I believe the military budget should be cut like all other budgets,  so long as all other budgets are actually  cut.  So we must spend our dollars wisely.  Here is how I would  spend them:

 

1.  Navy - there is no better way to project force than an aircraft carrier.  But yes, let's also build more mobile tactical ships.

 

2.  Nuclear weaponry and missile defense -  classic Reagan, nothing scares our adversaries more.

 

3.  Special force training - those terrorists aren't going to kill themselves.  Well some are.

 

 

Posted by: SH at October 23, 2012 12:11 PM (gmeXX)

274 We still use horses.  But I see that the office of the Commander in Chief has added a horse's ass to its inventory.  Somebody go give Barack The Horsey an apple.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at October 23, 2012 12:11 PM (oe1aw)

275 88 Though I think the thing about boats that are underwater was just a boast, no way that could be true.

Posted by: BSKB at October 23, 2012 03:17 PM

Actually, Choom Boy was talking about ships that go underwater, IIRC. That must be some new Navy tricknology we don't know nothin' about, as I'm sure anyone in the Navy will tell you that our current underwater fleet is made up entirely of boats.
******* I'm no Obama fan, but either "boat" or "ship" is an acceptable reference for a submarine, hence the USS in the name.

Posted by: Grim at October 23, 2012 12:12 PM (0TjWd)

276

"It's a team not a competition. (well, when it counts anyway. the rest of the time is just good fun. f'n jarheads)"

 

Besides, the Marines are a department of the Navy.

 

The Men's Department.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 23, 2012 12:13 PM (+inic)

277 Bremerton, Washington. Portland, Oregon. San Diego, California. All big shipyards.

Posted by: LASue at October 23, 2012 12:14 PM (gjIQF)

278 Grim at October 23, 2012 04:12 PM (0TjWd)

Try telling that to a sub sailor. In a bar. When they're half loaded.

You WILL have a confrontation.

Posted by: Jcw46 at October 23, 2012 12:14 PM (Vh0f5)

279 The Men's Department.

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 23, 2012 04:13 PM

SOMEONE'S gotta guard the brig and drive the Admiral.

Posted by: Jcw46 at October 23, 2012 12:15 PM (Vh0f5)

280 The large carriers are used to project force and typically the minimum size of a task force group would be the carrier, a tin can, and a sub. That is what we ran in 'Nam. I understand now they have gone to two tin cans. Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 03:46 PM (YdQQY) I think they now prefer two tin cans as a minimum and preferably an amphibious assault ship for ASW capabilities. The top squids really don't want to lose a CVN.

Posted by: Ed Anger at October 23, 2012 12:15 PM (tOkJB)

281 Aren't the Seals....Navy guys?
God.the more I think of O, the less I think of O.
Where's video of the MSM laughing at O's hit on Romney in the media room? That's a winning ad, right there.

Posted by: vivi at October 23, 2012 12:18 PM (gA85w)

282 "Last night Obama thought he was being really clever with his "horses and bayonets" line." That's because Obama prefers the rhetorical petard for combat.

Posted by: USA at October 23, 2012 12:20 PM (RIg+t)

283 That's what the sub is there for also; ASW

I Think for a roaming Task Force, it's 1 CVN, 2 Aegis, 1 tanker/supply, 1 attack sub, 1-2 Frigates for anti missile screen and Sea Rescue.

If it's on station somewhere, there'll be fewer ships on station but others get rotated in as needed for relief and resupply.

Posted by: Jcw46 at October 23, 2012 12:20 PM (Vh0f5)

284 I prefer using the Navy to accomplish objectives to using the Army/Marines, where it's feasible. I would rather blow shit up from a ship, than send Americans on the ground into some shit.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at October 23, 2012 12:23 PM (H2aaF)

285 Obambi should be informed that in addition to no Navy corpse-men, there are no ships in the world that go underwater unless they are sunk, submarines are called "boats".

Posted by: Armed and Larry at October 23, 2012 12:23 PM (geQ1s)

286 If our military and our nation are stronger today that ever, why did Obama allow the Benghazi incident? We are too strong for a few bumps in the road to matter.

Obama failed to acknowledge the August address in Washington by NATO Deputy Secretary-General Vershbow who stipulated that our NATO members' arsenals are all spent out, no reserves since Libya, and that the US arsenal was over-extended in Libya using what had been appropriated for our responsibilities in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US bearing what Vershbow called "the lion's share of the load" for every NATO exploit.

Consider well that the EU awarded itself the Nobel Peace Prize to officially segregate itself from NATO responsibilities.

America has reached the point of over-extension, still relying upon ships and aircraft that "life expectancy" expired at least a decade ago, with production NEVER completed prior to every new contract that negates the former.

That our military needs refurbishing is true. Our military has been abused, over used, by our nation's political leadership led by our POTUS, by NATO allies and the UN, and even by globalist corporations designing nation building for their own profits (to abuse others for their own good so they can buy shiny things and go into inflationary speculative debt, too); all at the expense (and "fault") of US taxpayers who will NOT profit from such debt and will never be repaid, and all at the misery of perpetually re-deployed military personnel, and all at the cost of our ships and aircraft life-expectancy expired long ago already since 2001.

This is something which we American middle class tax payers can not afford, even if Mitt is POTUS and says all the "right" words beginning with Peace. And of course, Mitt approves of every war that Obama started, selling the "Arab Spring" as more compassionate nation building benefiting the Islamist radicals despite our intentions to help the "right" people. That's inevitable over there. Weapons and financial aid find there way to the most corrupt, to the worst enemy despite whom America awarded, despite best intentions and sworn oaths.

Vershbow warns another interventionist war will do more harm than good.

Ορκος

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 23, 2012 12:24 PM (BAnPT)

287 @178 semper paratus!
I'd prefer that the Coastie snipers use this http://preview.tinyurl.com/8puwm6q in lieu of their fifties. (Then, oddly, the ship's log is indecipherable/unreadable. That way, they won't have to turn the failure to stops over to Eric Holder.)

Posted by: Thorvald at October 23, 2012 12:29 PM (1V6Pv)

288 283 That's what the sub is there for also; ASW One sub is weak tea against a real sub threat. Helicopters full of sonobuoys and other ASW weapons are required. Tin cans can't support enough of them for a robust ASW defense.

Posted by: Ed Anger at October 23, 2012 12:34 PM (tOkJB)

289 Troops stationed in Korea and Japan - and elsewhere.  Why?  We are not going to be fighting a ground war over there.

That's a lot of money that could be put to better use.  Like Naval power.

Posted by: Bobby Ahr at October 23, 2012 12:34 PM (zmZ2x)

290 @267 I'd quote Napoleon here about not interrupting your enemy while he's making a mistake, but you're quite right. Learning goes against the programming.

Posted by: The Ghost of Flannery O'Connor at October 23, 2012 12:34 PM (mMtFx)

291 176, doesn't quite work that way oldcat. Size isn't the controlling factor. The number of sailors drives cost, newer designs take far fewer men to man and thus their life cycle costs are less. With flight operations, size matters. The smaller amphibs are great multi-role vessels; but they can't go into an adversarial situation without a big deck carrier to ensure air dominance. The helo's, jump jets, etc are supplementary, not there to control airspace. The carrier has to be big. Personally, I think the distinction between frigates, destroyes, and cruisers is going to blur. We are going to end up with something about the displacement of a destroyer, the crew size of a frigate, and firepower of a cruiser. Especially with multi-mission drones, rail guns, and big frikken lasers reducing the logistics tail associated with helicopter operations and missiles.

Posted by: Jean at October 23, 2012 12:36 PM (wLibB)

292 I read that Gov. McDonnell blasted back at Barky right away about the Navy. Kiss Virginia goodbye, Oshithead.

Posted by: logprof at October 23, 2012 12:38 PM (jKE+Z)

293 The helo's, jump jets, etc are supplementary, not there to control airspace. Posted by: Jean at October 23, 2012 04:36 PM (wLibB) A goodly portion - 8% - of our jump jets (the Marines', at least) were just destroyed by the savages in Afghanistan, anyway.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 23, 2012 12:44 PM (X3lox)

294 Gunboat diplomacy.

It served us well for a long, long time.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at October 23, 2012 01:01 PM (Gkhxf)

295 Respectfully disagree. You can't project naval power where you don't have air superiority. In addition, there are some situations where air power is vastly preferable to surface ship deployment (example: Straits of Hormuz vs. Iranian/Pasdaran speed boat swarm). After the retirement of Enterprise in December, we will only have 10 carriers in the fleet, which is only enough to keep 3 on station (4 if you extend deployments, or shorten yard and training periods). That's just not enough.

Posted by: TH at October 23, 2012 03:47 PM (AprKJ)

Using a huge CVN isn't needed when you are fighting Taliban and insurgents.  Using a smaller 'limited mission' task force can be enough then.

Conversely, if you are fighting an all out air war and need superiority, then nothing replaces a big CV.

One size doesn't fit all.  So have a variety, and incidentally save some wear on the big fellers.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 23, 2012 01:07 PM (z1N6a)

296 Personally, I think the distinction between frigates, destroyes, and cruisers is going to blur. We are going to end up with something about the displacement of a destroyer, the crew size of a frigate, and firepower of a cruiser. Especially with multi-mission drones, rail guns, and big frikken lasers reducing the logistics tail associated with helicopter operations and missiles.

Posted by: Jean at October 23, 2012 04:36 PM (wLibB)


In order to be able to operate all around the world and in all weathers, a war ship needs to be a certain minimum size.

The tail is pretty easy to implement,... In the Falklands the Brits used a few container vessels to improvise...lost one to an Exocet.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 23, 2012 01:13 PM (z1N6a)

297 278 Grim at October 23, 2012 04:12 PM (0TjWd)

Try telling that to a sub sailor. In a bar. When they're half loaded.

You WILL have a confrontation. ********* I've had my dolphins since 1998.  I think I'll be OK.

Posted by: Grim at October 23, 2012 01:18 PM (0TjWd)

298 #290, I thought that was Horatio Nelson, not Napoleon.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at October 23, 2012 01:21 PM (h9WhI)

299 The only thing that would have made the ad better is if he tack this on to the front because it says it all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEtZ5r0CIYI

Posted by: boballab at October 23, 2012 02:16 PM (ebXTQ)

300 What's this idiocy I just heard on Fox about Romney saying Syria is Iran's conduit to the sea being wrong.  It's their route to the Mediterranean Sea.  Iran borders the Indian OCEAN.  And they don't need ships to get to Syria.  They can DRIVE there with those things called cars.   

Posted by: Davidlind at October 23, 2012 02:44 PM (J9mCu)

301 That comment will cost Obama Virginia and Florida.
What an idiot.

Posted by: whoseyourmomma at October 23, 2012 05:47 PM (SaAjb)

302 Think about where Iran wants to project its power, which is against Israel and to influence the Islamic nations on the Mediterranean.  Most of Iran's ports are in the relatively confined waters of the Persian Gulf so they can be blockaded.  To reach the Mediterranean  they also have to sail through the confined waters of the Red Sea and then navigate the Suez Canal.  A port on the Mediterranean itself keeps Saudi Arabia, the Islamic nation that is probably most suspicious of Iran's long term goals, entirely out of the equation. 

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at October 23, 2012 05:58 PM (lVq3p)

303 Hopefully this will guarantee the navy will name the next garbage scow USS Odumbo.

Posted by: LaZrtx at October 23, 2012 06:12 PM (HY3CJ)

304 303, The Navy is still trying to get reasonable service out of the last scow named after a deserving prez.. The Clinton. May I suggest a sewage hauler?

Posted by: CPO Knotty at October 23, 2012 09:23 PM (Hze1q)

305 It's a small planet. It doesn't need a big Navy.

Posted by: Admiral Barack, Lord of the Universe, Slayer of Osama at October 25, 2012 04:07 PM (iCKzD)

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