March 26, 2012
— Ace It's clear as a bell. Now, this is "cleaned up," and I suppose someone could say "That's just a nice word for altered," but that's what CNN did when it tried to push the meme that Zimmerman had said "coons."
He didn't. It's plainly "punks."
Punks. (Wav file provided by one of our audio expert commenters, Chris Reynolds.)
I got swindled by this. I have noted before that a new trick in the internet age is to take some hard-to-understand audio and then suggest -- I mean that in the hypnotist sense of "suggest" -- an interpretation of those unintelligible words. We saw that in 2008 with the Mickey Kantor video, in which it was alleged he called Pennsylvania Indiana voters "white n***ers."
But he said nothing like that.
It's pretty insidious. If you are fed the interpretation "worthless white ni**er," you do hear that. When it's suggested to you that's what he said, that's what it does sound like.
If you're expecting to hear it, you hear it.
But it's not what he said. What he actually says is something like "How would you like to be winning in Texas?"
And they've done this trick several times since. I forgot about the trick, though. Even though I actually always am pointing the trick out.
The thing is, if I try to hear "coons," I can hear coons. But the moment I switch my brain to hear "punks," I hear punks. Plain as day.
Now, CNN ginned this up. Not only did they insist he said "coons," they played the clip dozens of times in a single segment.
I point out the difference in rules when it comes to racially inflaming people -- CNN embargoes stories that might inflame whites against blacks (or Muslims), but here, they're happy arsonists tossing matches into a can of racial gasoline.
Seriously, watch how many times they play "f***in' coons" (supposedly) here. What is their intent? The guy actually says, "Let's play that like ten times."
And will they now acknowledge that it sounds more like "f***iin' punks"?
via @rdbrewer4 again.
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 11:18 AM (8y9MW)
It couldn't have been anything violent, or he wouldn't have been able to get a CCW, correct?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 11:19 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: New Black Panther Pahtay at March 26, 2012 11:20 AM (I8r8Y)
Posted by: taylork at March 26, 2012 11:20 AM (5wsU9)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 26, 2012 11:20 AM (YmPwQ)
I wonder what they know or what they've been told on this
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 11:21 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: EC at March 26, 2012 11:21 AM (GQ8sn)
Actually, it sounds to me like he said, "Too Many Secrets".
Posted by: Martin Bishop at March 26, 2012 11:22 AM (wuv1c)
That kind of willful stupidity deserves a nut-punch.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 11:23 AM (UOM48)
Maybe the gold teeth is a drawback
Motion to remove the evidence as inflammatory, your honor
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 11:23 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 26, 2012 11:23 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: JonathanEllis at March 26, 2012 11:23 AM (BdzEV)
Family gatherings at your house must be awesome.
Posted by: EC at March 26, 2012 11:24 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at March 26, 2012 11:24 AM (71LDo)
Which is, of course, true.
Pogues are the worst. REMF bastiches.
Posted by: Troll Feeder at March 26, 2012 11:25 AM (Bz9fh)
Family gatherings at your house must be awesome.
Actually, I deserve a damned medal for keeping my mouth shut over the years. If we lose this next election, I'm going nuclear on those Obamatards. If we win, I'm going full-on smug.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 11:26 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: EC at March 26, 2012 03:21 PM
"All lies and jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest" - The Boxer, Simon and Garfunkel
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 11:27 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Insert CNN anchor here at March 26, 2012 11:27 AM (NHNJt)
That's what I'm thinking, too. But I'd still like to know what for. They don't mention it (or the fact it almost had to be a misdemeanor) because they want you to believe he was some violent felon.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 11:27 AM (8y9MW)
Next time your BIL comes over, instead of opening the door and saying 'hello', you just crouch and give him a haymaker to the sac.
Posted by: EC at March 26, 2012 11:27 AM (GQ8sn)
Shooting the person who is kicking your ass for stalking them is not self defence. Its still either manslaughter or 2nd degree murder.
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 11:28 AM (ligUZ)
Posted by: © Sponge at March 26, 2012 11:28 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 26, 2012 11:28 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Chris R, red in NY-9 at March 26, 2012 11:28 AM (4NSlg)
Ace,
Thanks for revisiting this. I almost lost my shit when you were punked the other day in the comments, saying that Zimmerman said “coons”.
Of course, the 99% who donÂ’t pay attention already have it locked in their heads that Zimmerman is a white Hispanic racist.
Posted by: jwest at March 26, 2012 11:28 AM (FdndL)
Posted by: CNN, backtracking wildly at March 26, 2012 11:28 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 26, 2012 11:28 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Cosmo at March 26, 2012 11:29 AM (rjSXf)
Posted by: itsonlywords at March 26, 2012 11:29 AM (GeY0s)
Posted by: Ben at March 26, 2012 11:29 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Chris R, red in NY-9 at March 26, 2012 11:29 AM (4NSlg)
He does in the pic of him showing his underwear and flashing gangster signs.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 11:29 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: El Kabong at March 26, 2012 11:30 AM (99eo4)
Posted by: Soledad O'Brian at March 26, 2012 11:30 AM (ggRof)
Posted by: MAJHAM at March 26, 2012 11:30 AM (iwbZd)
Posted by: Malia in Mexico at March 26, 2012 11:30 AM (DATOZ)
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 11:30 AM (ligUZ)
Also, how many people do you know, racist or not, would call up 911 and use a racial epithet?
Logic, it's not a race baiter's friend.
Posted by: taylork at March 26, 2012 11:31 AM (5wsU9)
Never in my life have I heard a non-black person say the word.
Posted by: GergS(Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 26, 2012 11:31 AM (xAtAj)
We waste time continually pointing it out, when we already believe it and the other side will never report it.
The liberal media is determined to make Traayvon a national campaign issue. We are under no obligation to cooperate.
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 26, 2012 11:31 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: CNN Producer at March 26, 2012 11:31 AM (mhMA4)
40 I wonder if Trayvon still looks like Barry's son?
I wonder if those shooters who gunned down the white student in Mississippi look like Barry's sons too?
Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2012 11:31 AM (dEMjC)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 11:31 AM (UOM48)
Hispanics were not enslaved by whitey. Silly.
Posted by: Typical White Person at March 26, 2012 11:32 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 03:30 PM (ligUZ)
accuracy demands 'goatfuckers'
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 26, 2012 11:32 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Steve McCroskey at March 26, 2012 11:32 AM (i6RpT)
When this finally degenerates into the racial violence and riots the left wants, the blood is on their hands.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 26, 2012 03:30 PM (99eo4)
I wonder how latinos are reacting to this...
Posted by: CNN, backtracking wildly at March 26, 2012 11:33 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: El Kabong at March 26, 2012 11:33 AM (99eo4)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2012 11:33 AM (D5wbV)
I'll admit to getting punked on the photos the media is using, though. They're very clearly determined to establish a narrative of the innocent little boy being shot and killed, not that of a 17 year old who referred to himself by the n-word.
Posted by: Just a peon at March 26, 2012 11:33 AM (gI9Bk)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 26, 2012 11:33 AM (ZmIbh)
Shooting the person who is kicking your ass for stalking them is not self defence. Its still either manslaughter or 2nd degree murder.
So, how many times was Treyvon allowed to slam Z's head into the ground? Once? 4 times? What's the accepted punishment for "mistaken identity"?
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 26, 2012 11:33 AM (YmPwQ)
Everybody knows that.
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at March 26, 2012 11:33 AM (HqpV0)
Did these cunts at CNN ever show the Mu-hamm-ad cartoons?
I didn't fucking think so, Sally Skirt-wearers.
Posted by: Oscar Meyer at March 26, 2012 11:33 AM (eUT7n)
It couldn't have been anything violent, or he wouldn't have been able to get a CCW, correct?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 03:19 PM (8y9MW)
It looks like Z's just wearing an orange shirt. If he had a criminal record the MSM would have been all over that.
Posted by: fozzy at March 26, 2012 11:33 AM (FEzSe)
Posted by: Martin Bishop at March 26, 2012 03:22 PM (wuv1c)
That actually made me laugh, sorta.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 26, 2012 11:34 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 11:34 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 26, 2012 11:34 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 26, 2012 11:34 AM (RD7QR)
hears, and so it will try to bend the sounds to what you are told it
sounds like.>>
That explains the slurping sound I hear coming from the TV at the airport.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 26, 2012 11:34 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: El Kabong at March 26, 2012 11:35 AM (99eo4)
Posted by: noted civil rights leader John Lewis at March 26, 2012 11:35 AM (0w9Kf)
This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility....and all you white crackers are in for a heap of trouble then.
Posted by: Lord Barry at March 26, 2012 11:35 AM (dEMjC)
"Shooting the person who is kicking your ass for stalking them is not self defence. Its still either manslaughter or 2nd degree murder."
Bullshit. Fists kill and maim every day. IF (IF) Zimmerman was defenseless on the ground, taking a nonstop beating that he could not counter with fists/feet/claws/teeth, and in honest fear for his life and/or health the shoot was good. Not perfect, but good enough. The question is "IF".
Posted by: Jaws at March 26, 2012 11:36 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2012 03:33 PM (D5wbV)
Which is why we haven't heard much about this.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 26, 2012 11:36 AM (RD7QR)
Million Man Math: works every time.
Posted by: Calypso Louie at March 26, 2012 11:36 AM (I8r8Y)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 26, 2012 11:36 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Whoopie Goldberg at March 26, 2012 11:36 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at March 26, 2012 11:38 AM (GMzH2)
In Florida we call that "terminally dumb".
I'm considering when and how to demand my Twitter apology, which will never come.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 26, 2012 11:38 AM (Di+OU)
Javelin thrower in college.
Posted by: Calypso Louie at March 26, 2012 11:38 AM (I8r8Y)
Posted by: Typical White Person at March 26, 2012 03:36 PM (EL+OC)
It was the 70s. We still had a sense of humor. Now all we have is opportunistic manufactured outrage.
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 26, 2012 11:38 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: CNN at March 26, 2012 11:38 AM (X7aC8)
The photo is a mug-shot, and has been called such from the beginning.
According to HuffPo, Zimmerman was charged with resisting arrest and
violence and battery on a cop in 2005, but those charges were dropped.
Okay, that'd do it. So, basically, he doesn't actually have a criminal record at all. Got it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 11:39 AM (8y9MW)
If the issue was Zimmerman's temper, we wouldn't even know about this case. It's about alleged racism, and the change.org astroturfers didn't do their research on Zimmerman or even bother to see what he looked like before pushing this story on the MBM.
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 11:39 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: greenlight at March 26, 2012 11:39 AM (1fcKl)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 26, 2012 11:39 AM (Di+OU)
Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2012 03:31 PM (dEMjC)
I wonder if the three black youths that lit the white kid on FIRE while saying "that's what you get, whitey" look like O'dipshits sons as well.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 26, 2012 11:39 AM (UK9cE)
Bullshit. Fists kill and maim every day.IF (IF) Zimmerman was defenseless on the ground, taking a nonstop beating that he could not counter with fists/feet/claws/teeth, and in honest fear for his life and/or health the shoot was good. Not perfect, but good enough. The question is "IF"."
I'd tend to agree with you if Zimmerman hadn't provoked the situation. Its not like Martin was walking around with a gun menacing people.
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 11:39 AM (ligUZ)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 26, 2012 11:40 AM (ggRof)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at March 26, 2012 11:40 AM (h8UT+)
I was inclined to join the "who cares?" brigade until I saw ow, once again, the left was turning things up to 11 for no reason. They tried to indirectly pin this on us (conservative/right-wingers) AGAIN. They, without a scintilla of evidence, are demanding this Zimmerman's head on a platter. And, as the story first broke, some folks who are nominally on our "side" of things bought into the narrative hook, line and sinker. I'm done with the collective guilt crap. Done with it. If this case has done anything, it's presented a golden opportunity to present a plausible case to my relatives who voted for Zero in '08 but just think he's a misguided nice guy. This guy and his crew hate us, and are willing to use any tragedy or throw anyone under the bus to hold on to the power.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet, venting at March 26, 2012 11:40 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Zombie Robert Byrd (D-WV), Grand Kleagle Emeritus at March 26, 2012 11:41 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: noted civil rights leader John Lewis at March 26, 2012 03:35 PM
Thread winner!
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 11:41 AM (Y+DPZ)
^^^
Never. That little speech he gave Fri morning was a wink to them. He's every bit as complicit in this mess.
I do believe he will have blood on his hands.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 26, 2012 11:41 AM (pLTLS)
My mistake. Did not know that. But it sounded like he said "blouse-wearing poodle walker".
Posted by: fozzy at March 26, 2012 11:41 AM (FEzSe)
Posted by: Zombie Richard Jewell at March 26, 2012 11:41 AM (ZDUD4)
MARCH 26--The mother of Trayvon Martin has filed two applications to secure trademarks containing her late sonÂ’s name, records show.
Sabrina Fulton is seeking marks for the phrases "I Am Trayvon" and "Justice for Trayvon" according to filings made last week with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. In both instances, Fulton is seeking the trademarks for use on “Digital materials, namely, CDs and DVDs featuring Trayvon Martin,” and other products.
The March 21 USPTO applications, each of which cost $325, were filed by an Orlando, Florida law firm representing Fulton.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 11:41 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: CNN at March 26, 2012 11:42 AM (KNvk+)
Posted by: Obama at March 26, 2012 11:42 AM (ligUZ)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2012 11:43 AM (D5wbV)
I concur.
Posted by: Soledad O"Brian's earpiece at March 26, 2012 11:43 AM (5wsU9)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 03:41 PM (UOM4
Somewhere, John Edwards is smiling. And screwing somebody, but mostly smiling.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 26, 2012 11:43 AM (RD7QR)
Barry already has blood on his hands. We've had more dead and severely wounded in Afghanistan on his watch.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 11:43 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at March 26, 2012 11:43 AM (ZDUD4)
What gives them away is the ghost of someone from the 19th century uses hipster doofus slang
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 11:44 AM (Y+DPZ)
according to filings made last week with the United States Patent and
Trademark Office. In both instances, Fulton is seeking the trademarks
for use on “Digital materials, namely, CDs and DVDs featuring Trayvon
Martin,” and other products.
Is there any truth to the rumor that KFC and Kool will be doing a tie-in?
Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2012 11:44 AM (k8zkG)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2012 11:44 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: LASue at March 26, 2012 11:45 AM (XEegg)
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 26, 2012 11:45 AM (I8r8Y)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at March 26, 2012 11:45 AM (h8UT+)
80Shooting the person who is kicking your ass for stalking them is not self defence. Its still either manslaughter or 2nd degree murder.
So, how many times was Treyvon allowed to slam Z's head into the ground? Once? 4 times? What's the accepted punishment for "mistaken identity"?
I hadn't heard the head slamming part. Where can I go for an unbiased rundown of the facts?
Posted by: pashmr10 at March 26, 2012 11:45 AM (3aNC4)
"I'd tend to agree with you if Zimmerman hadn't provoked the situation. Its not like Martin was walking around with a gun menacing people."
I'd tend to agree with you if you understood Zimmerman wasn't chasing Martin around with his gun drawn. You've fallen prey to The Narrative.
Posted by: Jaws at March 26, 2012 11:45 AM (4I3Uo)
secure trademarks containing her late sonÂ’s name, records show.
Okay, I'm sure this will be mean and racist and all kinds of things, but I believe it to be true anyway.
I suspect that Martin's family was looking for a payday when they started trying to push this to the National media. They didn't particularly want all the media attention (though I doubt if they mind it too much), they just wanted the city to say "Sorry" and throw money at them to go away.
Sadly, had they just dropped a wrongful death suit on Zimmerman then, they probably would have won. Now, with as much as has come out- and if Zimmerman's account is held up to be accurate- they've cut the legs out from under that, too.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 11:45 AM (8y9MW)
Again I have to ask, who the hell even uses "c**ns" as a racial slur anymore? Has anyone used that since, what? 1938? I'm serious. Wouldn't you be a thousand times more likely to use something a little more common? Like, say... punks?
Also, again again, why hasn't anyone come forward with a more recent picture of Martin? Let alone a more recent picture of Zimmerman. Didn't Martin have a driver's license? Or failing that, a yearbook photo? Picture day was always at the start of the school year when I was a kid, and the school kept a copy of the photo on file -- regardless of whether you bought the "picture package," which my family never did -- in case you became one of those kids on the back of the milk carton. You mean they can't use THAT instead?
From what I've read he'd only just turned seventeen a little while ago. Aren't there any pictures from his birthday party?
I get that the media has to adhere to the narrative with raptor-like viciousness, but why isn't there a louder outcry about this?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at March 26, 2012 11:45 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 11:46 AM (UOM48)
I'd tend to agree with you if Zimmerman hadn't provoked the situation. Its not like Martin was walking around with a gun menacing people.
EVEN IF ZIMMERMAN HAD PROVOKED MARTIN (assuming the gun wasn't drawn) , how long is Zimmerman supposed to allow himself to be beaten until it's ok for Z to use his gun? Nobody seems to be able to answer this.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet, venting at March 26, 2012 11:46 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: dananjcon at March 26, 2012 11:46 AM (8ieXv)
Posted by: Riding Through The Desert With A Cat With No Name at March 26, 2012 11:47 AM (Q5fHc)
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 26, 2012 03:43 PM (RD7QR)
John Edwards facts:
1. John Edwards looks at himself in a mirror during sex.
Posted by: fozzy at March 26, 2012 11:47 AM (FEzSe)
Posted by: mama winger at March 26, 2012 11:47 AM (P6QsQ)
@ Lauren, there's alot of "evidence" flying around that is open to interpretation by us internet jurors. What if he did attack from behind because he was being threatend and was fearful of a stranger stalking him?
If only Zimmerman had stayed in the car...
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 11:47 AM (ligUZ)
Not in Florida. You do not get the right to kick someone's ass for "stalking them". You never have the legal right to instigate a fight with someone. However, in Florida, once you do begin a fight, the other person has the right to defend themselves up to and including lethal force.
As I said Saturday, I personally know a kid who was arrested for getting stabbed in the stomach. I spent a lot of time with my aggressive son drilling into him "if you see a fight, walk away. Do not jump in for any reason."
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 26, 2012 11:47 AM (Di+OU)
Heh...NAACP says Sharpton and Jackson expoiting Trayon while Trayon's mother is looking to trade mark the kids name.
*
You can't make this shit up.
Posted by: dananjcon at March 26, 2012 11:48 AM (8ieXv)
@109, © Sponge
I am hoping that the term "Barry's Son's" gets used a lot from now on.....as a referrence to little gangsta wannabes and gang bangers.
He took it upon himself to adopt this Trayvon kid, to enflame and agitate the whole situation. ....He owns it now. ....I hope it backfires on him.
Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2012 11:48 AM (dEMjC)
Get on the trolley. I use that slur all the time.
Posted by: 1920 boardwalk barker at March 26, 2012 11:48 AM (5wsU9)
Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2012 11:49 AM (lt+I9)
Posted by: TampaIllini at March 26, 2012 11:49 AM (gUa04)
Are you serious?
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 26, 2012 11:49 AM (I8r8Y)
Posted by: Typical White Person at March 26, 2012 11:49 AM (EL+OC)
If the GSW is a contact wound to the front of Martin, it is a righteous shoot.
If not - not so much.
No matter what that fat fuck in a leisure suit says.
Posted by: Barry is a fool at March 26, 2012 11:49 AM (y0VOX)
Posted by: dananjcon at March 26, 2012 11:50 AM (8ieXv)
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 03:39 PM
How did Zimmerman "provoke" it?
If you react to being followed by saying "wtf is YOUR problem" and that's it, you're in bounds
If you react to being followed by jumping a guy and pounding away on him, that's assault and battery
TM most likely didn't know that GZ was armed until he felt the bullet burn into his chest, so possibly he thought he would have no problem with jumping GZ for "dissing" him
Following someone isn't provoking an assault.
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 11:50 AM (Y+DPZ)
Sorry Jaws, hear what you want to. I never said his gun was drawn. Try to see both sides of The Narrative. The whole thing is a smoke show. Step back and watch the perimeter.
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 11:50 AM (ligUZ)
They'll hear what they want to hear.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 26, 2012 11:50 AM (Qxdfp)
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This is not a new phenomenon, of course. It's a trick using suggestion in order to influence thinking into a given direction. One of the most prominent usages of it can be found nowadays on that bullshit "Ghost Hunters" show on Syfy: The ghost hunting team will record various sounds as they go through their various "investigative" procedures, then listen back as part of the "analysis" of that investigation. Then they'll seize upon some sound and perceive it to be evidence of whatever paranormal activity they're seeking. Then when they present their final analysis to the client, they'll play back that chosen sound and say something like, "We did capture some very interesting sound. Let's play it for you, and tell us what you hear." Then after the noise in question is played, the client might say something like, "Well, I can't be sure . . . maybe a voice?" at which point a bullshit "Ghost Hunter" dude will go, "Well, to us it sounds like a little girl's voice saying, 'go away'." And since the gullible client has the bullshit "Ghost Hunter" dudes there in the first place to investigate a possible haunting by a long-dead little girl (as legends have dictated), that serves as reinforcing "evidence" of the haunting. It's an old trick that never seems to lose its effectiveness for some, apparently.
Posted by: Balsamic Shotgun at March 26, 2012 11:50 AM (sTS/8)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 26, 2012 03:45 PM (DGIjM)
Maybe it was "fuckin' Fluke." I mean, she does get around...
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 26, 2012 11:50 AM (RD7QR)
But then again they've bought into crimespeak/crimethink for a long, long time.
Pussies.
Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 11:50 AM (BoE3Z)
In Florida we call that "terminally dumb".
I'd say that Dave Chappelle put it best... "When Keepin' It Real Goes Wrong".
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 26, 2012 11:50 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at March 26, 2012 11:50 AM (DGIjM)
Posted by: Tipper Gore at March 26, 2012 11:50 AM (k8zkG)
Are you serious?
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 26, 2012 03:49 PM (I8r8Y)
That's the dumbest thing ever. You have no right to start a fight with someone walking away from you.
Posted by: fozzy at March 26, 2012 11:51 AM (FEzSe)
This isn't playing to black Americans. He's got them locked up.
This is aimed at white liberals. Some of them have been showing signs of straying off the plantation, so Obama's giving them a chance to feel full of progressive solidarity and go to vigils for poor martyred Trayvon and tut-tut over how racist American society is -- in other words, he's laying on the white guilt again so they'll atone by voting for him.
It remains to be seen if this will work, but that's the only explanation other than Obama having a full chimp-out like that chick in Florida.
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 26, 2012 11:51 AM (v9Kjt)
80Shooting the person who is kicking your ass for stalking them is not self defence. Its still either manslaughter or 2nd degree murder.
So, how many times was Treyvon allowed to slam Z's head into the ground? Once? 4 times? What's the accepted punishment for "mistaken identity"?
I hadn't heard the head slamming part. Where can I go for an unbiased rundown of the facts? Not sure where you can get an unbiased rundown, but Orlando Sentinel story in Ace's sidebar seems to have the police department's official timeline of teh events.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet, venting at March 26, 2012 11:51 AM (YmPwQ)
He took it upon himself to adopt this Trayvon kid, to enflame and agitate the whole situation. ....He owns it now. ....I hope it backfires on him.
Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2012 03:48 PM (dEMjC)
He knows nothing about it, so he's just going by the false media impression that he was a 10 year old kid brutally murdered by a white guy who's actually mexican, or whatever. Obama pays zero attention and says what they tell him to say.
He is having another teachable moment, from which he refuses to learn.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 26, 2012 11:51 AM (UK9cE)
Jane, ain't that the truth! They just had the awards ceremony for the Rangers in Savannah. 12 Silver Stars awarded, 2 post-humously (it was reported in the Army Times).. Breaks my heart.Posted by: Mandy P. voted and is All Dead Inside now at March 26, 2012 11:52 AM (qFpRI)
If only Zimmerman had stayed in the car...
Ummm... no.
Once Zimmerman had turned back to return to his car, there is no justification for Trayvon to have attacked. If Zimmerman hadn't turned back to his car, then you might have a case, but Zimmerman was (according to him- and I can give a lengthier discussion on why he should be believed if you want) heading back to his car.
Would things have turned out better had Zimmerman stayed in his car? It seems like it. Presuming Martin wasn't trying to break into whatever building Zimmerman thought he might be trying to break into, of course.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 11:52 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 11:52 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Typical White Person at March 26, 2012 11:54 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: fozzy at March 26, 2012 03:51 PM (FEzSe)
*********
You do when you're a Stuttering Clusterf*ck of a Miserable Failure.
Posted by: Pussy Ass (half)Cracker at March 26, 2012 11:54 AM (ggRof)
I can. Once Martin threw the first punch, he accepted responsibility for the results. There is no acceptable rational for throwing a punch under Florida law, except for defense of your home.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 26, 2012 11:54 AM (Di+OU)
Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2012 11:54 AM (A2cTV)
Posted by: rdbrewer at March 26, 2012 11:54 AM (Iyg03)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at March 26, 2012 11:54 AM (4df7R)
Extrapolating from the family who didn't report him missing but are really excited about the law$uit$ they're going to file, I would be surprised if he had a birthday party.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 11:54 AM (ZKzrr)
1. John Edwards looks at himself in a mirror during sex. Posted by: fozzy at March 26, 2012 03:47 PM
2. Says, would you f*ck me? I'd f*ck me I'd f*ck me hard.
Posted by: huerfano at March 26, 2012 11:54 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: Rev Al at March 26, 2012 11:54 AM (DGIjM)
Posted by: Tipper Gore at March 26, 2012 03:50 PM (k8zkG)
Paul is dead...Paul is dead...
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 26, 2012 11:54 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 11:56 AM (TomZ9)
ni***r: truck, house, rock, is, typewriter, linoleum, grass, mailbox, television, bottle, tree, eleven, tire, pencil, hat, guitar, glasses, punk, chain, spoon, drawer, boy, cloud, toaster, shoe.......
I can't type them all, my internet is out of ink.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at March 26, 2012 11:56 AM (61yvg)
Extrapolating from the family who didn't report him missing but are really excited about the law$uit$ they're going to file, I would be surprised if he had a birthday party.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 03:54 PM (ZKzrr)
Sadly, I'm sure you're right.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at March 26, 2012 11:56 AM (4df7R)
Considering the pictures of him floating around photoshopped to say crap like "Made N***a", I'm not sure the family wants people to see what he looked like right before the shooting.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 26, 2012 11:56 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 03:41 PM
She's filing for trademark applications BEFORE it goes national on MBM coverage?
Strikes me as astroturfing
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 11:56 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Andy at March 26, 2012 11:56 AM (5Rurq)
Posted by: mama winger at March 26, 2012 11:57 AM (P6QsQ)
Hey, there is a simple question about this case I cannot find an answer to. No one seems interested in it, though it seems fundamentally relevant to me. The question is, was Martin following the most direct route from the convenience store to the place he was staying. If so, his presence in the neighborhood would be completely understandable. If not, one might question his motive in being where he need not be.
The answer to this question should be easy for enterprising reporters to ascertain, yet none seem interested.
Posted by: Inspector Colombo at March 26, 2012 11:57 AM (mQMnK)
Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 11:57 AM (BoE3Z)
Posted by: Tom Hanks at March 26, 2012 11:57 AM (DGIjM)
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 11:57 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 03:41 PM
She's filing for trademark applications BEFORE it goes national on MBM coverage?
Oh. I did not see the date on that. Hmmmm. Interesting.
Posted by: mama winger at March 26, 2012 11:58 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 26, 2012 11:58 AM (SuBE0)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 26, 2012 11:58 AM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Typical White Person at March 26, 2012 11:58 AM (EL+OC)
ni***r: truck, house, rock, is, typewriter, linoleum, grass, mailbox, television, bottle, tree, eleven, tire, pencil, hat, guitar, glasses, punk, chain, spoon, drawer, boy, cloud, toaster, shoe.......
Every word that starts with the letter U, and all numbers ending in 3.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at March 26, 2012 11:58 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 26, 2012 11:58 AM (r4wIV)
185 Thanks Dave. There seems to be a line of thought out there that Martin was entitled to start beating up Z without fear of retaliation. Even if Z did start a physical confrontation, once Martin got the upper hand he shouldn't be allowed to continue beating him into oblivion.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet, venting at March 26, 2012 11:59 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 11:59 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Calypso Louie at March 26, 2012 03:36 PM (I8r8Y
The power of 19; is there anything it CANT do?
Posted by: DaveinNC at March 26, 2012 11:59 AM (boNGU)
Seems irrelevant to me. He was where he was, he didn't owe an explanation to anyone. And, had he kept it to that level, "No sir, I don't owe you an explanation," we'd be fine.
It seems, however, that he decided that he'd "teach some respect," and decided a beat-down was in order. The problem with starting fights is that the other guy seldom fights fair.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 11:59 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 26, 2012 11:59 AM (jUZRg)
There should be no 'neighborhood watch programs' anyway.
It is the government's job to watch you. After the election, I will have flexibility on this. ...You will like my new Watch Program.
Posted by: Lord Barry at March 26, 2012 12:00 PM (dEMjC)
Posted by: USA at March 26, 2012 12:00 PM (6Cjut)
Something tells me that before long Sanford is going to look like Beirut.
At least it will if Barky has anything to say about it.
Posted by: Zombie Robert Byrd (D-WV), Grand Kleagle Emeritus at March 26, 2012 12:01 PM (sbV1u)
ni***r: truck, house, rock, is, typewriter, linoleum, grass, mailbox, television, bottle, tree, eleven, tire, pencil, hat, guitar, glasses, punk, chain, spoon, drawer, boy, cloud, toaster, shoe.......
****
You forgot "balanced budget" "voter ID" "immigration" "liberty" and numerous others.
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 26, 2012 12:01 PM (jUZRg)
It remains to be seen if this will work, but that's the only explanation other than Obama having a full chimp-out like that chick in Florida.
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 26, 2012 03:51 PM (v9Kjt)
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There's one small flaw in your theory. Anyone who sees a picture of Zimmerman will know that he's not caucasian. He looks as Mexican as my lawn guy.
Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2012 12:01 PM (lt+I9)
So I'm supposed to assume that maybe he is on his way to band camp?
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 12:02 PM (Y+DPZ)
He'd be Barry's kid, alright.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 12:02 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 12:03 PM (i6RpT)
If it does I'll run right out and get my "Pussy Ass Cracka" t-shirt.
Then I'm going to sew my "Pork Eating Infidel" patch on it.
They're only words...right?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 26, 2012 12:03 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: the hobbit fomerly known as Donna at March 26, 2012 12:03 PM (ZHge+)
Dan Reihl at Reihl World View wonders why the photo that appeared at the drudge report (hoodie pic) was p-shopped Go see the difference at his sight. Link to long for pixy hamsters.
Posted by: Derak at March 26, 2012 12:03 PM (VEhDR)
Posted by: mama winger at March 26, 2012 12:03 PM (P6QsQ)
Between Soledad O'Brien and this, CNN's having a helluva couple of race-baiting weeks.
***
I wonder what Soledad's sister, Alcatraz O'Brien, thinks about this.
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 26, 2012 12:04 PM (jUZRg)
He'd be Barry's kid, alright.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 04:02 PM (UOM4
If he'd been suspended for suspicion of cocaine use, I'd be demanding a paternity test.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at March 26, 2012 12:04 PM (4df7R)
In the earlier thread about this, this morning.....someone posted a link, and mentioned that Zimmerman is a Democrat, and has black people in his family.
Zimmerman probably even voted for Barky, if that is the case. .....I hope when all the full details come out, that this whole thing backfires on the race-baiting SCoaMF....bigtime.
Posted by: Lord Barry at March 26, 2012 12:04 PM (dEMjC)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 12:04 PM (Y+DPZ)
Maybe he's a Spaniard. They count as white guys, right? And look what they did to the Incas.
Posted by: The MSM, Pushing The Narrative Like Sisyphus Chased by A Bunch of Hoodies at March 26, 2012 12:05 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 26, 2012 12:05 PM (DGIjM)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 26, 2012 12:05 PM (1Jaio)
His family, the media, the myriad groups who stand to benefit from ginning up a local news item into a race war...
I'm pretty sure this is why we haven't seen breathless reportage of any of his social media, unlike when a white guy kills his pregnant wife or a white girl murders her baby.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 12:05 PM (ZKzrr)
That's not true, either.
If the other guy starts the fight, I'm allowed to keep going until I'm sure he's not a threat anymore. If he dies during that period (or as a result of injuries) it's still self-defense.
Think about it: if Z had started it (it seems he didn't) then Martin would be thinking "Geez, this dude already hit me once, what if he does worse next time?" and would be fairly justified in attempting to render his assailant unconscious. If you do that with your bare hands, there's a fine line to walk between "He'll get up while you're walking away" and "permanent, possibly fatal brain injury."
So it all depends on who started the physical altercation and why. If Z was chasing (as in "running") Martin, and Martin turns around and punches him- we're still in reasonable self-defense territory (or close enough that he wouldn't get prosecuted). If Z starts the fight, Martin is engaging in self-defense. In almost any other scenario, Zimmerman was completely within his rights to defend himself with deadly force.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 12:05 PM (8y9MW)
"Once Martin threw the first punch, he accepted responsibility for the results. There is no acceptable rational for throwing a punch under Florida law, except for defense of your home."
So, if a stranger comes up to you in the middle of the night and flashes a gun at you and you feel your life is in danger, the law says you don't have a right to punch that guy out? Are you supposed to just stand there and let him shoot you?
According to the girlfriend, who was on the with phone with Trayvon, she said the two exchanged words and then sounded like they started fighting. Maybe Trayvon felt threatened by this stranger with a gun and felt it was either kill or be killed? No, I'm not buying into The Narrative - but, just because witnesses saw Trayvon beating Zimmerman, doesn't mean Zimmerman didn't do something to make him feel his life was in danger (like flash a gun). We'll probably never know what really happened, because no one saw the first punch and who started it, except for Zimmerman.
Posted by: sydney jane at March 26, 2012 12:05 PM (zYWPO)
Priceless shit, there, Jane. Wouldn't you like to know what the Sentinel edited out, not fitting the meme...... I like the fiancee part, especially. Not in the mood to be generous with these fucks anymore.
Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 12:06 PM (BoE3Z)
Posted by: booger at March 26, 2012 12:06 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: The MSM, Pushing The Narrative Like Sisyphus Chased by A Bunch of Hoodies at March 26, 2012 04:05 PM (QKKT0)
I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at March 26, 2012 12:06 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Mandy P. voted and is All Dead Inside now at March 26, 2012 12:06 PM (qFpRI)
Agitate we much !!!
Posted by: Folsom O'Brien at March 26, 2012 12:06 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 12:07 PM (snRY5)
Seems irrelevant to me. He was where he was, he didn't owe an explanation to anyone. And, had he kept it to that level, "No sir, I don't owe you an explanation," we'd be fine.
It seems, however, that he decided that he'd "teach some respect," and decided a beat-down was in order. The problem with starting fights is that the other guy seldom fights fair.
Posted by: AllenG at March 26, 2012 03:59 PM (8y9MW)
right, but what has also bugged me about this, is how any passerby TRayvon was to know zimmerman was part of a neighborhood watch. so Trayvon probably saw something different as He just saw a man following him for a length of time.
i think we have two people that made a terrible mistake thinking something other than reality.
seems if you are going to actually approach someone that there should be some identifier. and everyone recognizes that identifier. it seems to have authority but by what right? hoa?
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 12:07 PM (TomZ9)
...from her website: "Florida State Attorney General Pam Bondi, elected 2010. Attorney General Bondi is focused on protecting Floridians and upholding FloridaÂ’s laws and the Constitution. Attorney General Bondi is a graduate of University of Florida and Stetson Law School and has served as a prosecutor for more than 18 years. As an assistant state attorney for the 13th judicial district, her investigative and courtroom experience includes the successful prosecution of numerous first-degree murder cases and two capital cases."
Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 12:07 PM (lpWVn)
Seems irrelevant to me. He was where he was, he didn't owe an explanation to anyone. And, had he kept it to that level, "No sir, I don't owe you an explanation," we'd be fine.
It seems, however, that he decided that he'd "teach some respect," and decided a beat-down was in order. The problem with starting fights is that the other guy seldom fights fair."
This is where things are not clear. Was Zimmerman the epitome of social politeness? Did Martin really want to "teach some respect"? Or was Zimmerman threatening Martin, did he try to "apprehend" him? Was Martin in fear of his life from Zimmerman? We'll probably never know.
Regardless of what happened at the moment Martin was killed, Zimmerman's actions precipitated Martin's death.
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 12:07 PM (ligUZ)
That would assume you've ever read.
A book.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 26, 2012 12:08 PM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at March 26, 2012 12:08 PM (SzAZ7)
"If only Zimmerman had stayed in the car..."
You know, I'll actually agree with you there. Zimmerman has taken a justifyably huge shellacking in the gunnysphere by ccw types who fault him for all sorts of stupid - but not illegal - actions during "Phase I" of the incident. Those criticisms are mostly a variation on "don't go looking for trouble while strapped" and "MYOB".
"Phase II", however, began when Zimmerman was physically struck and that's where the legal meat of this case resides. There is zero evidence or eyewitness accounts of Z having a drawn gun and hunting for the kid so that's all media/leftist (BIRM) wet dreaming. If Z was on the ground getting pounded, and drew the gun from concealment when he saw no alternative, and took the shot it's a no-charge case in FL. That's why the prosecutor didn't file.
Posted by: Jaws at March 26, 2012 12:08 PM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Trayvon Obama at March 26, 2012 12:08 PM (ggRof)
We need the Obama quote about Trayvon looking like his son, under the more recent photo of Trayvon shirtless, and with his pants drooping in the Gangsta style.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 26, 2012 12:09 PM (6ZcUc)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 26, 2012 12:09 PM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2012 12:09 PM (D5wbV)
Posted by: sydney jane at March 26, 2012 04:05 PM
Right. Mexican guy who might be a gang member (TM didn't know who or what he was) pulls a gun on you, the first thing you do is jump his ass
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 12:09 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: awkward davies at March 26, 2012 12:09 PM (Jp1VY)
Posted by: PMRC at March 26, 2012 12:10 PM (snRY5)
The "practice" of Florida law tends to be highly tied to who starts the fight. There are plenty of instances of kids in jail for murder, who started fights, then their buddies jump in and kill someone.
However, all evidence points to Martin throwing the first punch, and most importantly, nothing indicates Zimmerman threw the first punch. Presumption of innocence requires that Zimmerman's story be accepted. Even so, they is physical evidence and witnesses that indicate that Martin was actively fighting Zimmerman, making Zimmerman's claim that Martin started the fight plausible.
Ignoring the cries for a racially motivated lynching, Zimmerman will not be charged.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 26, 2012 12:10 PM (Di+OU)
Posted by: Mandy P. voted and is All Dead Inside now at March 26, 2012 12:10 PM (qFpRI)
244 I have no idea what happened.
But the second you find out the media is using a 5 year old photo of the victim and calling a hispanic a white man.
Your bullshit meter should be spiking.
Yep, Jumbo......and also the way that the media is totally ignoring other shootings that are happening, when the shooters are black and the victim is white.
Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2012 12:10 PM (dEMjC)
Posted by: wooga at March 26, 2012 12:10 PM (vjyZP)
And the first kid to find it got it, right?
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 26, 2012 12:10 PM (Qxdfp)
Zimmerman may have started the chain of events by following Martin, but he never initiated any physical contact, that was Martin, once he iniated that physical contact Zimmerman had a right to defend himself.
Posted by: booger at March 26, 2012 12:10 PM (HI6wa)
267 If so I'd like to see a recent picture of Trevon next to that.
umm, that would involve bloating and maggots
Posted by: navycopjoe knows Teh SARAH!!!! can save us at March 26, 2012 12:11 PM (aeve0)
...so unless he's saying pahcoonuhks...
Possibly he's saying "Polacks?" Like maybe he'd just eaten some polish sausage and it was giving him indigestion?
"Fucking Polacks..."
Hey, why not? It makes as much sense as "c**ns," which hasn't been in vogue since the fricking Dust Bowl.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at March 26, 2012 12:11 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: LASue at March 26, 2012 12:11 PM (XEegg)
Why should she, her Guv and former Guv are on Obamason's side.
The GOP is fucking stupid to jump right in on this BS.
Posted by: Typical White Person at March 26, 2012 12:11 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 04:04 PM (Y+DPZ)
Yeah, sort of puts the flash mob phenomenon in a new light. There's probably somebody in Axelrod's office who is compiling a list of people to text for a "spontaneous" flash mob protest at a key moment in the summer -- say, during the RNC convention.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 26, 2012 12:11 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Room Temp at March 26, 2012 12:11 PM (ETgqz)
As long as he didn't say "fuck in the pooper". That would be unacceptable.
Posted by: Rick Santorum at March 26, 2012 12:12 PM (vjyZP)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 26, 2012 04:10 PM (Qxdfp)
***********
Yep! See, I'm just like my dad!
Posted by: Trayvon Obama at March 26, 2012 12:12 PM (ggRof)
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 04:07 PM
IF, as Zimmerman has claimed, that he had lost sight of Trayvon, was returning to his vehicle when hit from behind and subsequently beaten, I think the precipitation becomes much weaker.
If I look at you and you don't like the way I'm looking at you, and I turn away from looking at you, and you jump me, my looking at you might be the first in a string of events. But I wouldn't call it precipitation to a beating.
Posted by: mama winger at March 26, 2012 12:12 PM (P6QsQ)
That's really one reductio ad absurdum too many.
Using that exact same logic then Martin's parents are responsible for his death by bringing him into the world, the Nike corporation is responsible for making the shoes that took him there and the Champion clothing company is responsible for his death by making his hoodie.
Pretty sure you don't want to go there.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 26, 2012 12:13 PM (sbV1u)
Ya know, being punched in the nose is one thing, but nowadays it seems the *youts* are aiming for the head, like kicking the victims' heads so hard that it could cause brain damage if not death. From what GZ told the police, Treyvon was looking for some #knockoutking props.
I would shoot, too.
Posted by: jeannie the dancing bug at March 26, 2012 12:13 PM (GdalM)
Maybe he was complicit in the DB Cooper hijacking, and Cooper owed him money? Or, he really hates Billion Dollar Babies.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 26, 2012 12:13 PM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2012 12:14 PM (A2cTV)
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Now, "bullshit," mind you, is TOTALLY acceptable. Especially when going off on NY Times reporters.
Posted by: Rick Santorum at March 26, 2012 12:14 PM (sTS/8)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 26, 2012 12:14 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 04:07 PM
I guess by your criteria, Zimmerman being born precipitated Martin's death
Nice try though, you win an official "Pussy Ass Cracker" t-shirt for your advocacy of lynching Zimmerman
http://tinyurl.com/cxabzpu
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 12:15 PM (Y+DPZ)
287 Who is 'they'? War on Hispanics?
they best not, obama gave the blacks welfare, he gave us mexicans assualt rifles
Posted by: navycopjoe knows Teh SARAH!!!! can save us at March 26, 2012 12:15 PM (aeve0)
" but he never initiated any physical contact, that was Martin, once he iniated that physical contact Zimmerman had a right to defend himself."
You can't claim that with certainty. Again, still a gray area. Of course Zimmerman would deny starting it.
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 12:15 PM (ligUZ)
Posted by: stillers at March 26, 2012 12:15 PM (ZBAJt)
Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2012 04:10 PM (dEMjC)
Or where the victim is black and the SHOOTER is black. Those don't count, see, 'cuz that's what black people do in the Media's sphere of Racism through Low Expectations.
"A black person killed a white person? Meh. A black person killed a black person? QUADRUPLE meh! What's that? A white person killed a black person? Get the Governor on the phone, we have a Major Story Breaking!"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at March 26, 2012 12:15 PM (4df7R)
This.
999 out 1000 blacks today will tell you OJ is innocent of murder.
Posted by: Typical White Person at March 26, 2012 12:16 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2012 12:16 PM (7W3wI)
Let's see if I can mind meld with CNN: Okay, we could report the call straight and honestly inform our viewers or we could monkey with it and make it sound like "coons". Which one will help Sparky in FL come November? It really is that simple folks. Sparky is failing in the polls so here comes the caped crusaders of the press to manufacture a issue tailor made to motivate blacks to the polls.
Jeebus - its like the shooting of young black male is news to these guys. WTF?
Posted by: Sub-Tard at March 26, 2012 12:16 PM (ursbV)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at March 26, 2012 12:16 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: jenny tries too hardZimmerman may have started the chain of events by following Martin, but he never at March 26, 2012 12:16 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 12:16 PM (BoE3Z)
MFM: We heard Zimmerman say that Trayvon looked like Obama's son and because he's a racist, sexist homophobe he was going to kill him. At least that's what the White House told us we heard.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 26, 2012 12:16 PM (1Jaio)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2012 12:17 PM (7W3wI)
253I wonder what Soledad's sister, Alcatraz O'Brien, thinks about this.
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 26, 2012 04:04 PM
Not to mention her mother, Joliet O'brien.
Posted by: Alvin Greene at March 26, 2012 12:17 PM (mQMnK)
Bullshit. At the very least Martin's actions helped lead to his own death.
And I tend to believe Zimmerman's account- in its entirety- because in everything where his story can be verified, it has been and he has been shown to be truthful.
We know that he called 9-1-1 concerned that some black kid in a hoodie in the rain, looking like he might be on drugs, appeared (to him) to be breaking into (or preparing to break into) a building in an area that had a rash of burglaries.
We know that Martin saw Zimmerman and left, that Zimmerman followed. He was told "you don't have to do that," which is not "don't do that."
We know that Zimmerman said, "He's running... he ran." According to the recording Ace posted on Friday, Zimmerman did not sound winded or like he was running when saying those words- so we can be reasonably certain that he hadn't given chase and believed that Martin had escaped.
We know that, immediately after the altercation became physical (cops already on the way, so it couldn't have lasted too long) Zimmerman called for help- that was caught on 9-1-1 tapes, and even Martin's father has admitted the voice calling for help doesn't sound like his son- witnesses specified that his it was Zimmerman calling for help- and only fired his weapon when he believed help either was not forthcoming or would not arrive quickly enough.
We know that Martin had been hitting Zimmerman- both by witness statements and police on the scene observing physical evidence- to whit: grass on the back of Zimmerman's shirt, and wounds Zimmerman had sustained.
Because everything we know (to the extent we can know anything about the case) lines up with what Zimmerman has said, then where he speaks that the evidence is silent (him walking away, and then being confronted by Martin as he attempted to return to his truck), he has earned the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 12:18 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: the hobbit fomerly known as Donna at March 26, 2012 12:18 PM (ZHge+)
I've been advised if someone is following me to not lead them to my home--instead, go to an open business with some outdoor lighting.
Mama winger, did you follow any of the flash-riot-at-Mayfair Mall stuff last spring? Eugene Kane wrote a bit about how the power black teenage boys feel when they glower at white folks trying to shop, and we have to understand it would be wrong to take that power away from them, because it's the only power they'll ever have (he left out "because they're wasting their time and energy doing stupid shit at the mall instead of going to class and doing homework"...yeah, I know)... He had an actual word for "intimidating white people in public" that I can't recall right now.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 12:19 PM (ZKzrr)
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I don't know how big Zimmerman is, but I've read reports that say Martin was as tall as 6' or so. What the truth is, I don't know.
Posted by: Rick Santorum at March 26, 2012 12:19 PM (sTS/8)
Springfield auto - check
Ammo - check
Car door locks operating - check
It's summertime summertime sum sum summertime.
Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2012 12:19 PM (lt+I9)
Posted by: ESPN at March 26, 2012 12:19 PM (0w9Kf)
CNN expert audio analysis of Dirty Harry
Posted by: CNN, The News Boat at March 26, 2012 12:19 PM (Y+DPZ)
^^^^^^^^THIS
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 26, 2012 12:19 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Alan Grayson at March 26, 2012 12:20 PM (HzhBE)
UpworthyÂ’s output is a stream of curated daily picks via email newsletter, Pinterest, Facebook and Twitter. Its first two featured items are both about the Trayvon Martin killing.
...it would like to run items about “something like planking or Tebowing but about climate change” and “17 Sexiest Pics About Income Inequality.”
http://tinyurl.com/cqrz4zy
sometimes you just can't make stuff up...
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at March 26, 2012 12:20 PM (rzTDZ)
They haven't even started dumping the laundry out of the basket on this one yet.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 26, 2012 12:21 PM (Qxdfp)
Hang on, soothsayer told me two days ago that Zimmerman chased this kid down for Walking While Black, pistol-whipped him to the ground, pulled young Trayvon on top of him, pistol-whipped HIMSELF, yelled "DIE, YOU FILTHY COON!" and that we are all racists for questioning those FACTS.
You figure he would still be around, with that kind of certainty.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 26, 2012 12:21 PM (/tzTG)
If you don't have any evidence, why do you assume he is lying?
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at March 26, 2012 12:21 PM (VW0I/)
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I don't think it wise at all to pass another law restricting a homeowner from tracking a stranger scoping his block.
If a gated community HOA posts per gate the organization's rules, that's a start for "expectations" of public understanding. It seems a general curfew is about the only thing that would work, during which time a specified ID process be followed during exceptions.
But formulating a strict procedure required of every citizen is heavy handed, ESPECIALLY given that criminals and illegal aliens do not conform regardless of "accepted" protocol.
Also, when Police approach and announce their identity, order someone to cease and desist, and everyone recognizes that identity complete with authority and right by law and municipal ordinance, too many youths challenge the authority with noncompliance that's frequently violent, resisting arrest, etc.
Police on one hand discourage [White: all but black] vigilante volunteers; but on the other, have traditionally counted on neighborhood watches, posting street signs featuring the dog detective McGruff, "warning: neighborhood watch".
Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 12:21 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2012 12:21 PM (lt+I9)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 26, 2012 12:21 PM (DGIjM)
The good news is, you're an honorary Caucasian!
The bad news is...
Posted by: The Rainbow Coalition at March 26, 2012 12:22 PM (QKKT0)
i can say this as i can still believe Trayvon might have been absolutely innocent of doing anything but chatting on the phone , wondering around until right before the blows happened, at that point we only have zimmermans words and witness's of zimmerman being beat up and more calls to 9-11 from witness's
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 12:22 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 12:22 PM (lpWVn)
I hear it with myself.
I say the phrase "President Obama" and it always sounds exactly like "that fuckin' jagoff".
Posted by: Roy at March 26, 2012 12:22 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Room Temp at March 26, 2012 12:22 PM (TgHk6)
In that case, you are dead. You would have to be a special kind of stupid to take a swing at someone threatening you with a gun.
Now according to Florida law, you are allowed to protect yourself from a threat of bodily harm. But in 99.999% of the cases where that comes up, it is the person defending themselves, their home, or a family member from a threat with a knife or gun with a gun.
You are raising a technical point that doesn't occur.
But starting a fight with someone who has a concealed knife or gun, and ends up wounded or dead? Happens in Florida a couple times a year, and is never prosecuted, except you going to jail for starting the fight.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 26, 2012 12:23 PM (Di+OU)
That's really one reductio ad absurdum too many.
Using that exact same logic then Martin's parents are responsible for his death by bringing him into the world, .....
Pretty sure you don't want to go there.
296
I guess by your criteria, Zimmerman being born precipitated Martin's death.
Hmmm, let's throw out the context and jump right to hyperbole. You Morons are smarter than that.
"Nice try though, you win an official "Pussy Ass Cracker" t-shirt "
I love free t-shirts!
"for your advocacy of lynching Zimmerman"
Pointing out that Zimmerman is not a choir boy either and that the facts are murky is not advocating lynching.
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 12:23 PM (ligUZ)
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 04:07 PM
IF, as Zimmerman has claimed, that he had lost sight of Trayvon, was returning to his vehicle
The first thing that will be asked will be did he act in a reckless manner while armed, that a reasonable person would not have done while unarmed. If the answer is yes (Which I think happened when he started following Martin on foot) then Man 2 comes into play.
The second thing was did he do anything that a reasonable person would interpret as a threat of bodily harm that would make a violent response reasonable; Which *if* Zimmerman ever ran after Martin I would say yes; Then you escalate to Man 1.
The third question is malice. If he pushed confrontation out of some sort of malice toward Martin. Then it becomes Murder 2. Which is where your doctored recording comes in.
When you have a CCW you aren't allowed to go looking for trouble when you are in public.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 26, 2012 12:23 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Lazy Reporter Ass-man at March 26, 2012 12:23 PM (5C9Dt)
Posted by: Ammo Dump at March 26, 2012 12:24 PM (WUWb9)
Posted by: jenny tries too hardZimmerman may have started the chain of events by following Martin, but he never at March 26, 2012 12:24 PM (snRY5)
I heard Trayvon was wearing a "I am Troy Davis" hoodie when his promising young life was cut short.
That's just spooky, man.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 26, 2012 12:24 PM (/tzTG)
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Come on -- he's a white guy who killed a black kid. It's so obvious he's lying, 'cause he's all RACIST an' shit.
Posted by: Balsamic Shotgun at March 26, 2012 12:24 PM (sTS/8)
Zimmerman is 5'5 and 250 pounds. That is a tubby man.
Against a 17 year old, 6'3 football player.
I have an 18 year old.. he is 6 foot and 180 pounds. He could run circles around a 5'5 250 pound 30 year old. Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 26, 2012 12:25 PM (DGIjM)
Why would Zimmerman, who was on the phone with the police and had a gun, start the physical contact? He may have been overzealous in who he considers suspicious, but he didn't seem eager to engage in a beatdown or he never would have called the police and why start a fight when you can hold the guy with your gun?
Posted by: booger at March 26, 2012 12:25 PM (HI6wa)
Finally, a voice of reason.
Posted by: Ron Paul at March 26, 2012 12:25 PM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: Rick Santorum at March 26, 2012 04:19 PM
What I've read is that GZ is 5-9, overweight, and asthmatic
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 12:25 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at March 26, 2012 12:26 PM (ursbV)
Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 12:26 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Sing Sing O'Brien at March 26, 2012 12:26 PM (jucos)
CNN expert audio analysis of Dirty Harry
Posted by: CNN, The News Boat at March 26, 2012 04:19 PM (Y+DPZ)
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LOL! Email it to the Onion. That would make a great satire piece.
Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2012 12:26 PM (lt+I9)
Posted by: USS Diversity at March 26, 2012 12:26 PM (vpe0k)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 04:04 PM (Y+DPZ)
Yeah, well, if he's like me he assumed that the MSM was telling the truth about the bare facts of the case. Which is obviously pretty naive, as we now see. I got sucked in by the assumption that there were some unspinnable truths, and acted on that assumption. I should have known better.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 26, 2012 12:26 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: jenny tries too hardZimmerman may have started the chain of events by following Martin, but he never at March 26, 2012 12:27 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: long island at March 26, 2012 12:27 PM (kzp9t)
Everything I'm hearing/seeing says that the cops were on the scene within 2 minutes of the shooting.
The first thing that will be asked will be did he act in a reckless manner while armed, that a reasonable person would not have done while unarmed. If the answer is yes (Which I think happened when he started following Martin on foot) then Man 2 comes into play.
As a "Captain" of the Neighborhood watch, I believe that would be viewed differently. If he just scared off some "punk" from breaking into a home (or the community center? I think I saw that on one of the transcripts, too), he might have decided to follow just to make sure the kid hadn't just gone around the corner to wait for him to leave.
It does no good to *pause* a break-in. He was trying to prevent one.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 12:27 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: awkward davies at March 26, 2012 12:28 PM (Jp1VY)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2012 12:28 PM (D5wbV)
Maybe the president should have said "hey, everyone calm down, let's wait for the results of the new investigation and in the meantime let's not jump to any conclusions.
Posted by: chic at March 26, 2012 12:28 PM (oZfic)
I don't know how big Zimmerman is, but I've read reports that say Martin was as tall as 6' or so. What the truth is, I don't know.
I read somewhere that Zimmerman is 5'9". I can't find the original report where I read that. Anyone able to corroborate that for me?
If it's true, then Martin had a good five inches on him.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at March 26, 2012 12:28 PM (4df7R)
(OK)
If a gated community HOA posts per gate the organization's rules, that's a start for "expectations" of public understanding. It seems a general curfew is about the only thing that would work, during which time a specified ID process be followed during exceptions.
(This is a valid idea perhaps, still having an expectation, but having a teen not take short cuts?)
But formulating a strict procedure required of every citizen is heavy handed, ESPECIALLY given that criminals and illegal aliens do not conform regardless of "accepted" protocol.
(uhm hmm, Still even if children teens etc are told don't cut through there, should there be an expectation that the consequence would be death)?
Also, when Police approach and announce their identity, order someone to cease and desist, and everyone recognizes that identity complete with authority and right by law and municipal ordinance, too many youths challenge the authority with noncompliance that's frequently violent, resisting arrest, etc.
(Sadly yes, that also happens)
Police on one hand discourage [White: all but black] vigilante volunteers; but on the other, have traditionally counted on neighborhood watches, posting street signs featuring the dog detective McGruff, "warning: neighborhood watch".
(i actually haven't really dealt with police in this situation so i wouldn't know if there are demands on exceptable vigilance on one group and not another)
Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 04:21 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 12:28 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 12:29 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Fritz at March 26, 2012 04:09 PM (/ZZCn)
That bastard figured out I killed Laura!
Posted by: Leland Palmer at March 26, 2012 12:29 PM (v+QvA)
From the Orlando Sentinel:
Â…Activist Al Sharpton headlined a rally in Sanford Thursday that drew an estimated 8,000 people.
Â…That attention led to a press conference called by Trayvon Martin's family after a community forum in Eatonville sponsored by TV talk show host Roland Martin.
IsnÂ’t it curious that paid talent from MSNBC and CNN are actually driving the story, not reporting it?
Posted by: CJ at March 26, 2012 12:29 PM (9KqcB)
This is nuts.
Posted by: chic at March 26, 2012 12:29 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Ben at March 26, 2012 03:32 PM (wuv1c)
What could be wrong with that?
Posted by: S.M. Archer at March 26, 2012 12:29 PM (TOk1P)
And motive equals evidence.
If he wasn't eager to engage in a beatdown, and police were on their way, why would Zimmerman even get out of the car?
See my comment @359.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 12:30 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2012 12:30 PM (A2cTV)
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 12:30 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at March 26, 2012 04:16 PM
Crown Heights really put me over the top against Giuliani in 1993 ... uh.... hmm .. maybe not
Posted by: David Dinkins at March 26, 2012 12:31 PM (Y+DPZ)
What about Allen's point that the parts of Z's story that can be corroborated are, that doesn't give him any cred in your mind?
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at March 26, 2012 12:31 PM (VW0I/)
None of this happens if Zimmerman's carrying a crossbow. I'm just sayin'...
*scurries away chuckling*
Posted by: spongeworthy at March 26, 2012 12:31 PM (puy4B)
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Maybe it was actually "quatloos," because he'd bet it all on the wrong Thrall...
Posted by: Star Trek Geek at March 26, 2012 12:32 PM (sTS/8)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at March 26, 2012 04:28 PM (4df7R)
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I believe it. You know what they say about black guys.
Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2012 12:32 PM (lt+I9)
The way that they use their hands to eat cat food is really creepy.
Posted by: the least interesting man in the world at March 26, 2012 12:32 PM (Dll6b)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 12:32 PM (i6RpT)
From the pictures i've seen there isn't a road where they would have been heading so he had to get out of the car to follow him.
Posted by: booger at March 26, 2012 12:33 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: jenny tries too hardZimmerman may have started the chain of events by following Martin, but he never at March 26, 2012 12:33 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: the least interesting man in the world at March 26, 2012 12:33 PM (Dll6b)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 04:32 PM (i6RpT)
Drop them britches!
Posted by: Creepy Mountain Man #2 at March 26, 2012 12:34 PM (v+QvA)
/sarc
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 12:34 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Sterling Archer at March 26, 2012 12:34 PM (ggRof)
How about because he fucking wanted to.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2012 12:34 PM (KNvk+)
The people, on all sides of every issue, in this country lately, are all suffering from terminal sensitivity. It's making everything a total mess.
Posted by: chic at March 26, 2012 12:34 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: RioBravo at March 26, 2012 12:34 PM (eEfYn)
369 -
That's about right. I saw the police report, the other day. It either said 5'9" or 5'8", and interestingly, his weight is redacted.
Martin's was listed as 6' and 160lbs, but I suspect that was from his license, as opposed to anyone taking measurements at that time. In which case, the dispartity of their sizes may have been even greater. A young, muscular, growing teenager would only be expected to get bigger since his license was issued.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2012 12:35 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 12:35 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2012 12:35 PM (D5wbV)
Posted by: Rush at March 26, 2012 12:36 PM (SO2Q8)
people with guns, when you're not in your own home, and not a cop (and sometimes when you are) is definitely starting the fight.
What evidence is there that Zimmerman displayed his weapon to TM prior to the physical altercation?
Posted by: Insomniac at March 26, 2012 12:36 PM (v+QvA)
Posted by: Yankel Rosenbaum at March 26, 2012 12:36 PM (jucos)
Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2012 12:36 PM (A2cTV)
If we're going to go down the 'chain-of-events' road.....then we should address "why is there a need for 'neighborhood watch' in the first place"?
What sort of crimes had been happening in and around this neighborhood? And by whom? .....And then there is the 'catch and release' methods that the police are hamstrung with.
If people are going to condemn Zimmerman for even being in his own neighborhood, and being wary of someone lurking around in the dark.....then what made him 'wary' in the first place?
Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2012 12:37 PM (dEMjC)
He was fat. He was printing. Fat guys always print.
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 12:37 PM (ligUZ)
I've been in some neighborhoods where the gates around the apartment complexes and hotels have little to do with affluence.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at March 26, 2012 12:37 PM (rzTDZ)
Posted by: chic at March 26, 2012 12:37 PM (oZfic)
The race baiters have trained black youth to be insulted by any slight. Being followed is one of the common ones they complain about and react negatively to. And even I as a white youth was questioned when walking the neighborhood after dark so being offended by that is a learned response.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 26, 2012 12:37 PM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 26, 2012 12:37 PM (DGIjM)
Because it's strapped to your person in accordance with concealed carry standards?
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 12:37 PM (ZKzrr)
How would GZ know that TM was unarmed? One reason the gangstas wear the baggy clothes is to conceal weapons. He also told the dispatcher that TM was reaching into his waistband.
And stop repeating that Facebook "waving the gun around" bullshit. GZ didn't pull out his gun until TM was beating on him
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 12:37 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 26, 2012 04:36 PM (v+QvA)
***********
Our feverish and hyperactive imaginations!
Posted by: bad guy jenny at March 26, 2012 12:37 PM (ggRof)
Have you noticed the mindset at AoSHQ? The comments stretch into the high hundreds when people perceive there is an injustice being done on an innocent person. Like Zimmerman being unfairly convicted in the press, or when the Duke rape case was goingÂ….
Or when Ace attacked Palin over and over.
Posted by: jwest at March 26, 2012 12:38 PM (FdndL)
375It really is that simple folks. Sparky is failing in
the polls so here comes the caped crusaders of the press to manufacture
a issue tailor made to motivate blacks to the polls.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at March 26, 2012 04:16 PM
Crown Heights really put me over the top against Giuliani in 1993 ... uh.... hmm .. maybe not
This may indicate just how desparate the WH is. The polling we see isn't the polling they see. Like I said, trying to motivate blacks without pissing off hispanics is going to be a great hat trick. One thing for sure, blacks can easily be baited to react senslessly. Baiting them with a hispanic is obviously an electoral risk. Lets see if this goes the way of Sandra Fluke. Meaning a PR bomerang. Crosses fingers. What are the odds that hispanics and Catholics get together and vote the hoser out?
Posted by: Sub-Tard at March 26, 2012 12:38 PM (ursbV)
Posted by: Jenny at March 26, 2012 12:38 PM (jucos)
If people are going to condemn Zimmerman for even being in his own neighborhood, and being wary of someone lurking around in the dark.....then what made him 'wary' in the first place?
The early media reports indicated that there had been a series of break-ins in the area in recent months.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at March 26, 2012 12:38 PM (4df7R)
175, 345. Posted by: Clutch Cargo (Qxdfp)
Exercising racist bigotry yourself for promoting that pernicious lie.
Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 12:38 PM (lpWVn)
"When's the last time anybody used the word coon as a racial slur, anwyay? 50 years ago, maybe"
I don't know all the facts, but I'm pretty sure Zimmerman isn't a sheriff in Alabama in 1960, so odds are against him saying that.
Posted by: UGAdawg at March 26, 2012 12:38 PM (NAlbk)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 12:39 PM (snRY5)
I once had a bloody garbage can brawl with a coon over a half-eaten jar of peanut butter.
I whipped his coon a$$ up one side and down the other. Yip.
Posted by: Toby the Beagle at March 26, 2012 04:37 PM (Ks4nX)
Iced tea, meet keyboard.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 12:39 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: chic at March 26, 2012 04:28 PM (oZfic)
Barry would have done that but he was too busy selling us out to the Russians
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 26, 2012 12:39 PM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 26, 2012 12:39 PM (DGIjM)
No, but, if your requirements as a neighborhood watch (I wouldn't say patrol unless he was uniformed) don't include hazarding yourself by following suspicious persons on foot, you have gone above and beyond the scope of your duty by doing so.
Essentially police are uniformed and trained to handle this type of situation. Zimmerman was neither. He could not say to Martin "Stop I'm a COP!" As far as I know he never attempted to tell Martin why he was there.
As far as Martin knew (as far as I know, because not all evidence has been released) Zimmerman was just some dude trying to follow him at night.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 26, 2012 12:40 PM (0q2P7)
not that i've read anywhere.
it was strapped to his back and full of grass from being on his Back.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 12:40 PM (TomZ9)
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Masochistic? The plot thickens.
Posted by: RioBravo at March 26, 2012 12:40 PM (eEfYn)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 12:40 PM (snRY5)
For them it seems to be a nice distraction from the Fluke'd up attempt to gin up "GOP war on wimmens", $4 gas and rising, economy still sucks, Barry still undercutting our national security every chance he gets ...... Its pretty desperate using *this* case, but I guess white on black violence is so rare they had to and they think they can spin things sufficiently. I sincerely hope this is even more of a Fluke up for them.
Posted by: Palerider at March 26, 2012 12:41 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2012 12:41 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: chic at March 26, 2012 04:37 PM (oZfic)
Thanks, curious. We await with breathless anticipation. Please don't link more of your ghey porn.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 12:41 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet, venting at March 26, 2012 12:42 PM (YmPwQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lN8vWm3m0&feature=related
Posted by: Bunk X at March 26, 2012 12:42 PM (ik06d)
Posted by: Trayvon Obama at March 26, 2012 12:42 PM (ggRof)
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 12:42 PM (TomZ9)
Martin's was listed as 6' and 160lbs, but I suspect that was from his license, as opposed to anyone taking measurements at that time. In which case, the dispartity of their sizes may have been even greater. A young, muscular, growing teenager would only be expected to get bigger since his license was issued.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2012 04:35 PM (TOk1P)
Wasn't redacted....it just wasn't listed.
Posted by: Tami at March 26, 2012 12:42 PM (X6akg)
and it sounds like this guy has his head up his ass.
Posted by: mallfly at March 26, 2012 12:42 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: chic at March 26, 2012 04:34 PM (oZfic)
=== chic, you're even less interesting than me. Much, much less.....
Posted by: the least interesting man in the world at March 26, 2012 12:43 PM (Dll6b)
420 @Insomniac Oh, I don't know that Zimmerman showed the gun beforehand, but it wouldn't surprise me. I was responding to AllenG's saying that Zimmerman might've gotten out of the car to "scare" Trayvon away, so that Trayvon wouldn't break into any homes or the clubhouse.
osted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 04:39 PM (snRY5)
It wouldn’t make sense that Zimmerman wanted to “scare” Trayvon away. He had called the police and was waiting for their arrival, so he would want Trayvon around when they got there.
Posted by: jwest at March 26, 2012 12:43 PM (FdndL)
Posted by: Norman Lear at March 26, 2012 12:43 PM (qndXR)
I'm not hearing much from LULAC, La Raza, Mecha or other latino groups.
Maybe it's bad timing on my part.
Posted by: YIKES! at March 26, 2012 12:43 PM (M+UUq)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 12:43 PM (snRY5)
How about because he fucking wanted to.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2012 04:34 <<<PM (KNvk<<<<
THAT. Right fucking there. THAT.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 26, 2012 12:43 PM (/tzTG)
Posted by: OldSailor at March 26, 2012 12:43 PM (u6tth)
I think it's fair and reasonable to want more investigation into what actually happened, though.
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 04:40 PM (snRY5)
Which is why you aren't a member of the MFM.
I think it's telling that here at the HQ, where we are not necessarily known for holding our tempers, we are nonetheless able to hold a relatively civil discussion about what may or may not have transpired in this case. I have to wonder if someone were to ask these same questions at the Daily Kos or DU if they'd be blacklisted and banned for not clinging to the narrative.
I suspect the answer is yes.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at March 26, 2012 12:43 PM (4df7R)
"ABC News has learned there is tremendous pressure from local and state authorities for an arrest." http://tinyurl.com/dxxvda7
Posted by: chic at March 26, 2012 12:44 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2012 04:38 PM (7W3wI)
Me too, but if it provides enough of a distraction from Bambi's clusterfuckery it's going to be around for the foreseeable future.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 26, 2012 12:44 PM (RD7QR)
Why?
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 12:44 PM (TomZ9)
Uh, no.
Posted by: mama winger at March 26, 2012 12:44 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: jenny at March 26, 2012 12:44 PM (ggRof)
Posted by: USS Diversity at March 26, 2012 12:45 PM (vpe0k)
Yeah, Zimmerman started the chain of events so Martin's family would have a good civil case, not that i'm a lawyer of know jackshit about it, but i did watch the OJ trial so i declare myself an expert anyway.
Posted by: booger at March 26, 2012 12:45 PM (HI6wa)
I think it's possible Trayvon flashed gang signs then began flinging Chinese throwing stars at Zimmerman.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2012 12:45 PM (KNvk+)
Someone at Volkhov actually did a mapping of the scene and TM was only 100 yards from his father's condo when GZ last spotted him
If you're scared, do you run home or in the direction of the person scaring you?
Nice try, you can take your CSI test again in 6 months
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 12:45 PM (Y+DPZ)
That's what I'm talkin' about!
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 12:45 PM (ligUZ)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 12:46 PM (snRY5)
Maybe it's bad timing on my part.
We're thinking. We're thinking.
Posted by: LULAC, La Raza and MeCHA at March 26, 2012 12:46 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at March 26, 2012 12:46 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 04:43 PM (snRY5)
seems you want to assume a lot .
makes perfect sense for a guy that has called the police as He had done several times over the years in the same capacity as that night, to threaten , wave a gun around and instigate trouble?
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 12:47 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: USA at March 26, 2012 12:47 PM (6Cjut)
Posted by: the hobbit fomerly known as Donna at March 26, 2012 12:47 PM (ZHge+)
442 I also wanted to make the point that if Zimmerman got out of his car with the intention of "scaring" Trayvon, he's an instigator. If you instigate shit with a loaded weapon, you may well be guilty of manslaughter.
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 04:43 PM (snRY5)
Trayvon went between the buildings, so Zimmerman couldn’t follow in his car. Using the two addresses from the police report, you can find the point where Trayvon cut through the “alley” and lost Zimmerman.
Posted by: jwest at March 26, 2012 12:47 PM (FdndL)
Comment from Holder? *crickets*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 12:48 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 12:48 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2012 12:48 PM (7W3wI)
with the intention of "scaring" Trayvon, he's an instigator. If you
instigate shit with a loaded weapon, you may well be guilty of
manslaughter.
-------
<<sigh>>
He had already told 911 dispatch he ran away and had lost him.
You cannot scare away what has already left.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 26, 2012 12:48 PM (C8hzL)
They got him down for a $5K donation.
Which is just silly. Democrats never spend their own money.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 12:49 PM (ZKzrr)
"Fat guys always print."
GTFO! Fat dudes can get away with carrying serious iron. It looks just like another roll. Skinny dudes like me end up looking like they have a hip goiter.
Posted by: Jaws at March 26, 2012 12:49 PM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 26, 2012 12:49 PM (v+QvA)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2012 12:49 PM (7W3wI)
The expectation has ALWAYS been that trouble arises when we place ourselves where we should not be.
That "kids these days" think there are no rules is not my fault.
There is no expectation of fair play in American society when the POTUS broke contract law and has absolute disregard for rule of law, doing all that he can to destroy the US Constitution and our Constitutional Governance. Racial strife is BOUND to recur when we are not all held equally under the law. And where there would be biased resentment when individual injustices occur in life, the result of FELONY "Hate Crimes" fans the bonfire of outrage between segments of our nation's population.
That someone died in a scuffle in the middle of the night is a shame. But statistically, scuffles in the middle of the night are violent. Hence, kids belong indoors at night, doing homework or getting a good night's sleep, preferably at home. What responsible dad encourages his young adult son to wander the streets in the middle of the night in a neighborhood where there has been an outbreak of crime already?
Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 12:50 PM (lpWVn)
--- Yeah, like he'd sell us out to a bunch of crackers
Posted by: Eric Holder at March 26, 2012 12:50 PM (SO2Q8)
Posted by: Barky O'Genius, Virtual Father at March 26, 2012 12:50 PM (QKKT0)
This was a well thought-out media event before this was ever brought to national attention. Otherwise, it would have been a small paragraph on page 6 of the local rag.
Shit like this happens all over the nation without one peep from the national media. I know public opinion manipulation when I smell it.
Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2012 12:50 PM (lt+I9)
Posted by: the least interesting man in the world at March 26, 2012 04:41 PM (Dll6b)
The De-Mestizoized Zone?
Posted by: Insomniac at March 26, 2012 12:51 PM (v+QvA)
Jenny, you're not too familiar with police work are you
The entire reason that cops are armed is to deter a perp who wants to fight. The vast majority of cops in America have NEVER fired their service weapon while on duty
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 12:51 PM (Y+DPZ)
437 -
Thanks Tami, I believe you are correct. Other things were redacted, like addresses, but Zimmerman's weight simply wasn't listed.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2012 12:51 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2012 12:51 PM (D5wbV)
Posted by: notropis at March 26, 2012 12:51 PM (Ca1QE)
"He had already told 911 dispatch he ran away and had lost him.
You cannot scare away what has already left."
Clearly he found him again. That part isn't on the 911 call.
The endless pontificating about what happened when the mic was off can only lead to hours of pointless speculation. But what else is the internet for!?!
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 12:52 PM (ligUZ)
Posted by: the crow at March 26, 2012 12:52 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 12:52 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: Barack Obama at March 26, 2012 12:53 PM (v+QvA)
412 Have you noticed the mindset at AoSHQ? The comments stretch into the high hundreds when people perceive there is an injustice being done on an innocent person. Like Zimmerman being unfairly convicted in the press, or when the Duke rape case was goingÂ….
Or when Ace attacked Palin over and over.
Injustice.....or when justice is being done. Or when something is especially irksome, the comments fly and number in the high hundreds as well. ....You're stretching it there, jwest.
But what I have noticed, is how you never seem to shy away from inserting that raging hardon you have for Palin, into nearly every topic.
Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2012 12:53 PM (dEMjC)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2012 12:53 PM (7W3wI)
If you are carrying, don't go looking for trouble. It will find you.
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 12:53 PM (ligUZ)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at March 26, 2012 12:53 PM (ursbV)
The endless pontificating about what happened when the mic was off can only lead to hours of pointless speculation. But what else is the internet for!?!
It's good for getting information that isn't tainted by the MSM. You know, the truth....
Posted by: the hobbit fomerly known as Donna at March 26, 2012 12:53 PM (ZHge+)
Posted by: booger at March 26, 2012 12:54 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 26, 2012 12:54 PM (jucos)
Posted by: jenny at March 26, 2012 04:44 PM (ggRof)
But only if it's in the 40 Watt range. Anything less is pussy.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at March 26, 2012 12:54 PM (nZvGM)
http://youtu.be/BYTlN6wjcvQ
Posted by: basil seal at March 26, 2012 12:55 PM (lQMLp)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 12:55 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 04:52 PM (snRY5)
************
The stupid is strong with this one.
Posted by: Darth Clueless at March 26, 2012 12:56 PM (ggRof)
*
One of the producers on the original Star Trek was a fellow named Gene L. Coon. The story goes that when people from the network would show up on the lot, his secretary, a young black woman, would startle them by saying, "Hi! I'm Gene L.'s coon."
That was in 1966 or so. (Yanno, back when we had a sense of humor in America.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 26, 2012 12:56 PM (exvgC)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at March 26, 2012 12:56 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2012 12:56 PM (A2cTV)
Posted by: clueless at March 26, 2012 12:56 PM (FEzSe)
If you take a gun with you, to "prevent" a break-in, especially of someplace that's not your own house, and you're not a cop, you are treading real close to manslaughter.
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 04:46 PM (snRY5)
The simple act of possessing and carrying a gun doesn't make you guilty of reckless use of that gun. The act of discharging your weapon in self defense or in defense of others doesn't mean that you recklessly discharged your weapon. I don't see manslaughter as valid unless GZ shot TM even if he'd perceived that TM wasn't a threat, or if he really DID shoot TM just because TM was black.
Now, I'm not a legal eagle; I have absolutely no idea of the nuances of criminal law. But as it currently stands I would say the fact that GZ had a gun is only relevant in that it was the weapon that caused TM's death. There is absolutely no evidence at this point that the gun's presence had anything to do with inciting the alleged altercation.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at March 26, 2012 12:56 PM (4df7R)
You know, when I initially saw the story and the guy's name being zimmerman, I thought it was a white neighborhood watch guy. If you don't delve into the facts, you assume it's a white guy as his name is not a latino name. Wonder if this is what the MSM did.
Posted by: chic at March 26, 2012 12:57 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 04:55 PM (5H6zj)
I'm going to go way out on a limb here and suggest cooking it then eating it.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 26, 2012 12:57 PM (v+QvA)
479...I'm thinking along the same lines. They were looking for an event like this to exploit, they found this story...saw the names....and ran with it. As seems to be the M.O. of this administration (and/or it's flunkies), the "Zimmerman" thing was completely missed. Now it's far too late to backtrack, under the bus go teh "white hispanics". Oops.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 26, 2012 12:57 PM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at March 26, 2012 12:57 PM (4136b)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 04:52 PM (snRY5)
jenny, he had the gun on him because he had a valid CCW. He was on his way back from a store when he spotted TM. He wasn't out looking for trespassers to wave his gun around.
Posted by: Tami at March 26, 2012 12:57 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2012 12:57 PM (7W3wI)
Don't remember the exact time from the police report, but it was around 19:30. Not really an unreasonable hour for anyone under 60 to be out of their home.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 12:58 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: booger at March 26, 2012 12:58 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: Pepe LePeu at March 26, 2012 12:59 PM (M4AGP)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 26, 2012 12:59 PM (jucos)
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 12:59 PM (TomZ9)
Damn you MSM race baiting bastards!
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 12:59 PM (ligUZ)
Jenny, could you please enlighten us what the whole point of NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH is ? Especially in an area with a rash of break-ins and burglaries?
You take the gun on the high probability that a suspicious person is A-R-M-E-D and you don't want to be a sitting duck
Tell your Facebook friends to think before posting theories
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 12:59 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2012 04:57 PM (7W3wI)
Now that's racist
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 26, 2012 01:00 PM (1Jaio)
Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2012 01:00 PM (A2cTV)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 01:00 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 01:00 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 01:01 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: nickless at March 26, 2012 01:01 PM (MMC8r)
many times police were called over the years by HIM in this same situation.
this time went south.
that's really the question is What Happened in those couple fo minutes.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 01:01 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: notropis at March 26, 2012 01:02 PM (Ca1QE)
What I gathered from Jack Nicholson's Twitter feed:
Jack Nicholson does not like hard corn.
He likes soft corn but only on Thurdays.
Awesome!
Posted by: TexasJew at March 26, 2012 01:02 PM (z8HSj)
"If you are carrying, don't go looking for trouble. It will find you."
OK, let's find your line.
Let's say I live in a neighborhood that's suffered a number of recent break-ins and even a home invasion. It's not a bad neighborhood, but it's seen better days. Let's say my wife wants to walk the dog most every night and I insist on going with her so she's not alone in the dark. Let's say I legally ccw everywhere I can and tend to have personal security top of mind. God forbid, I might shoot competition and go to training courses and the like. Hell, I might even reload.
If we get jumped and I'm forced to defend me and mine with a firearm, was I looking for trouble?
Posted by: Jaws at March 26, 2012 01:02 PM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 01:02 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 05:01 PM (5H6zj)
Sounds fantastic. I'm coming to your place for dinner!
Posted by: Insomniac at March 26, 2012 01:03 PM (v+QvA)
Does someone have a link to the legal eagle cam? Have they hatched yet?
If so, have they started arguing the individual mandat yet?
Posted by: Joe Biden at March 26, 2012 01:03 PM (k8zkG)
They're blowin' in the wind,
The ants, they are blowin' in the wind
Posted by: Bob Dylan at March 26, 2012 04:58 PM
Real name Robert ZIMMERMAN
Yup, racist killer
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 01:03 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2012 01:04 PM (D5wbV)
463 patdollard.com has a disturbing article: Meet the Real Trayvon Martin.
Wow. ...Thanks for the heads up, USA. ....I just went there and read that whole thing. .....Again, wow.
That is a must-read for anyone interested in this case.
Trayvon's twitter picture is *nothing* like the photo that the media keeps using for him. ....That twitter pic looks very recent. He does't look like a little boy at all....he could pass for 20 in that pic. ....And the gang tats are an interesting touch as well.
Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2012 01:04 PM (dEMjC)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2012 01:04 PM (KNvk+)
Just lie back, clutching your rape whistle, warm and fuzzy and smug with the knowledge that you are BETTER than the woman who would have shot the son-of-a-bitch before he violated her.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 01:05 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 01:05 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: You want me on Twitter, you need me on Twitter at March 26, 2012 01:05 PM (4136b)
Posted by: Andy at March 26, 2012 04:54 PM (5Rurq)
She's asking some smart questions. It's best to have all of this out in the open where we can examine it rather than getting blindsided later. Shit, it's more than we can expect from the MSM.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 26, 2012 01:05 PM (RD7QR)
I'm not assuming that Zimmerman waved his gun around. But really, why would a guy who has called the police, as he has done several times before, get out of his car and pursue someone? Why? If it was to "scare" him, and he took a gun, he's an instigator. If it was to keep track of Trayvon (who hadn't committed any crime that Zimmerman mentioned) and he took the gun, he's still being some sort of crazy-ass vigilante.
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 04:52 PM (snRY5)
To keep an eye on Trayvon so he could tell the police where he was, and the police could check him out. Duh.
Posted by: stace at March 26, 2012 01:05 PM (lYlx9)
Maybe
Posted by: zombie guy who waited a teensy bit past potential at March 26, 2012 01:06 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2012 01:06 PM (A2cTV)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2012 01:06 PM (D5wbV)
whoa, wait, hold the fuck up
we can now place bounties on half white/half minorities?
oh hell yeah!!!!
i'll pay a bounty to whoever can bring me Halle Barry
bonus if she's dressed like a sexy pirate
Posted by: navycopjoe knows Teh SARAH!!!! can save us at March 26, 2012 01:06 PM (aeve0)
could you please enlighten us what the whole point of NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH is ? Especially in an area with a rash of break-ins and burglaries? Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 04:59 PM (Y+DPZ)
In my neighborhood, the watch informs police of suspicious activity. They do not physically pursue people. The cops specifically tell any involved with the watch to stay out of any situation.
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 01:06 PM (ligUZ)
Just lie back, clutching your rape whistle, warm and fuzzy and smug with the knowledge that you are BETTER than the woman who would have shot the son-of-a-bitch before he violated her.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 05:05 PM (ZKzrr)
You left out "think of England."
Posted by: Insomniac at March 26, 2012 01:06 PM (v+QvA)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2012 01:06 PM (KNvk+)
Posted by: logprof at March 26, 2012 01:07 PM (ykSKg)
Posted by: booger at March 26, 2012 01:07 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 01:07 PM (TomZ9)
The dark-haired guy is really an alien and he ate Hendrick's brains and then was killed by the army.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 26, 2012 01:07 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 01:07 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 26, 2012 01:07 PM (DGIjM)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 01:08 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 01:08 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 01:09 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2012 01:09 PM (D5wbV)
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I lit firework with a punk when I was a kid.
Punks are brown.
Clearly, an allusion to the darker skinned among us. User of the word "punk" is indeed, racist.
/s
Posted by: fixerupper at March 26, 2012 01:09 PM (C8hzL)
so Trayvon was beating zimmerman , if he was afraid of a potential criminal (zimmerman)and NOONE should stand up to criminals?
but zimmerman should also not have stood up to a potential criminal either?
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 01:09 PM (TomZ9)
It is sort of unreasonable to walking "to his father's fiance's house from the store" in the rain, though. Not impossible, not unprecedented, but not something you'd look at and think "oh, yeah, he's obviously just on his way home," either.
From the initial 9-1-1 call, I think it was an accumulation of things that set off Zimmerman's radar. It was dark out. There had been burglaries. Trayvon was out in the rain. He appeared to be looking into the windows of a building (note: this means it did not appear to Z that T was walking directly to or from anywhere, but was looking at a specific building). He was shaking "like he's on drugs" (heck, he could have just been chilly- I don't know what the temp was that night in FL). So a number of things fed into Zimmerman's perception, and he decided the kid was likely up to no good.
Then, Trayvon looks at Zimmerman, and then walks away.
At this point, I'm not sure what I would have done. I probably would have let it go, but I'm not as vigilant as Zimmerman appears to be. It's possible he just takes his position on the Neighborhood Watch (that he pushed for and started) very seriously. At any rate, Zimmerman leaves his vehicle, and walks after Martin.
Now, Martin is faced with several possibilities. He could "stand his ground," he could ask Zimmerman if there's a problem, he could run, or any number of other things. He chooses to run.
Zimmerman, an overweight, middle-aged, asthmatic then (according to his statement, and I've already explained why I'm agreeing to believe him here) begins to return to his truck. Martin (again: according to Zimmerman's statement) then chooses to confront Zimmerman.
Why would he do that? As a former teenager, I can say without fear of contradiction: teenagers are dumb. So, assuming Zimmerman isn't lying, my guess is Trayvon psyched himself up ("Oh, then I'll tell 'em '...and he was like...'") or decided he'd be made fun of for running from a middle-aged fat guy (these two options are not mutually exclusive).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 01:09 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 01:10 PM (snRY5)
The racist wars have begun. I heard a New Black Panther on Hannity upping the bounty on Zimmerman's head by $1k...dead or alive...he was hoping for 1 million to prosecute Zimmerman...spreading lies that Tyvon was only 13 yrs old. Hannity asked him what would be justice, and the caller stated for Zimmerman to be brought before a jury of New Black Panthers in their own court. In other words, their idea of Sharia Law.
Meanwhile, the MSM fans the flames. It is going to be a long, hot summer. I hope Obama is defeated in a landslide.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky: ABO 2012 at March 26, 2012 01:10 PM (baL2B)
570 because we all know police are never wrong, lazy, or stupid.
THIS!!! preach it sister!!!
i earned my pay
Posted by: navycopjoe knows Teh SARAH!!!! can save us at March 26, 2012 01:10 PM (aeve0)
wasn't he? still in school, with exception of being suspended
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Since Martin was still a juvenile non-adult, he had no business in the middle of the night leaving his dad's home in order to eat Skittles and (spiked?) Tea, prowling.
Had Mr. Martin been a responsible father, he would have kept an eye on his visiting son rather than allowing the kid to prowl the neighborhood in the middle of the night. Whether or not Mr. Martin gave the kid permission to leave the house, his son is/was his responsibility.
Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 01:11 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 01:12 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 05:02 PM (snRY5)
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If I'm in a neighborhood that needs a roving watchman, I would kind of like him to let the POS that's about to kick my front door in know that he's about to suffer some consequences he may not have thought of before. I don't want that scumbag "potential" criminal in my AO.
Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2012 01:12 PM (lt+I9)
i can only Assume that Trayvon was goijng towards his dads girlfriends home? or did he have to double back to get to it? anyone know ?
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 01:12 PM (TomZ9)
"If you are carrying, don't go looking for trouble. It will find you."
OK, let's find your line.
Let's say I live in a neighborhood that's suffered a number of recent break-ins and even a home invasion. It's not a bad neighborhood, but it's seen better days. Let's say my wife wants to walk the dog most every night and I insist on going with her so she's not alone in the dark. Let's say I legally ccw everywhere I can and tend to have personal security top of mind. God forbid, I might shoot competition and go to training courses and the like. Hell, I might even reload.
If we get jumped andI'm forced to defend me and mine with a firearm, was I looking for trouble?"
No, "forced to defend" is not looking for trouble. Chasing down suspicious individuals who are not presenting a real threat is looking for trouble.
(BTW, you just described me & my neighborhood. )
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 01:13 PM (ligUZ)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 01:14 PM (snRY5)
And all the potential criminals thank you for that PSA.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 01:14 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2012 01:14 PM (KNvk+)
...the night leaving his dad's home in...
I've read that it is his mother's fiance's house. No blood ties to the kid.
Posted by: Vidkun Quilsling at March 26, 2012 01:15 PM (chysP)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 01:16 PM (5H6zj)
"Fat guys always print."
GTFO! Fat dudes can get away with carrying serious iron. It looks just like another roll. Skinny dudes like me end up looking like they have a hip goiter.
Heh, was just trying get the fat guys all fired up.
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 01:16 PM (ligUZ)
What you clearly don't understand is that we have something called rights. And one of the most important rights we have as Americans is the right to keep and bear arms.
We don't have to explain why we are exercising those rights.
And guess what? Guns make people equal. Think about that one.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 26, 2012 01:16 PM (nEUpB)
Oh, hell. Fine. I'm a potential criminal. My kids, in their hoodies, are potential criminals. If one of my kids is ever chased and shot, I'll just meekly accept the shooter's explanation. When the police don't even take the shooter in, but accept his story wholesale, and don't even wait for my kid to be identified, I'll accept that too because we all know police are never wrong, lazy, or stupid.
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 05:08 PM (snRY5)
Chased and shot?! Where do you get he was 'chased' and 'shot'?
Posted by: Tami at March 26, 2012 01:17 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Chasing Trayvon at March 26, 2012 01:18 PM (chysP)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 05:12 PM (snRY5)
zimmerman wore his gun as a guy that has a license to do so.
He did not put His gun ON for Trayvon or this incident . see that?
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2012 01:18 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 01:18 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Trayvon Martin at March 26, 2012 01:18 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky: ABO 2012 at March 26, 2012 05:10 PM (baL2B)
Has anyone yet mentioned the 85 year old white woman in Oklahoma who was raped and beaten to death by a guy who looks like Obama's son? Bonus: the guy also tortured the 90 year old husband, but so far he's still alive.
Posted by: stace at March 26, 2012 01:19 PM (lYlx9)
Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2012 01:19 PM (A2cTV)
Chased and shot?! Where do you get he was 'chased' and 'shot'?
Posted by: Tami at March 26, 2012 05:17 PM (X6akg)
Seriously. TM was apparently beating the hell out of Zimmerman when Zimmerman shot him. Hardly a being chased down and shot scenario.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 26, 2012 01:19 PM (v+QvA)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 26, 2012 01:20 PM (DGIjM)
Posted by: Dan Rather School of Journalism in Miami at March 26, 2012 01:20 PM (JQ1k+)
If the evidence matches the story, you can't charge him no matter how much your white guilt SWPL coterie who live in white bread liberal neighborhoods want it
Oh, and your kid is special and would NEVER get mixed up with drugs and a bad crowd.
Hopping on a Facebook bandwagon because "we're the hip kids who hate racists" and every "fact" passed around the internet is gospel is lazy, wrong, and stupid too
Posted by: zombie guy who waited a teensy bit past potential at March 26, 2012 01:20 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 26, 2012 01:22 PM (DGIjM)
Really... a 5'3 250 pound 30 year old?
On what planet is that possible?
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 26, 2012 05:20 PM
Well, my facebook friends say that racists can do anything when they want to wave their gun around and play cowboyz
Posted by: jenny tries to hang with the hip kidz at March 26, 2012 01:23 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 26, 2012 01:23 PM (snRY5)
1.) Young black men have the right to wander around neighborhoods at night.
2.) Slightly older hispanic men don't have the right to get out of their cars.
3.) If someone is following a young black man on foot, the young black man has the right to start hitting that person.
4.) If a fat hispanic man gets attacked, he does not have the right to pull his gun and defend himself.
Did I leave anything out?
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 26, 2012 01:23 PM (v9Kjt)
Posted by: bad guy at March 26, 2012 01:24 PM (ligUZ)
Posted by: the only Commander in Chief we got at March 26, 2012 01:24 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: AllenG
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There weren't other people on the street to taunt Trayvon either for running away or encouraging to turn around and attack Zimmerman from behind. No?
Teenagers are dumb. But this teen, Trayvon, was vicious, too. He went out in the middle of the night looking for something to do, hyping himself up with sugar, caffeine and whatever else, looking for some excitement, ready to make something happen, talking with his girlfriend on the cell phone. So did his girlfriend egg him on to attack the guy who'd followed from a distance, but had himself turned and was walking away?
In martial arts, you never turn your back on an opponent, nor take your eyes off an opponent. You do NOT instigate a fight, but deflect blows in self defense.
This event proves one thing in particular, rescind "hate crimes" all together, particularly the federal prosecution!
Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 01:27 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2012 01:27 PM (D5wbV)
Posted by: Tami at March 26, 2012 05:17 PM
Everyone knows that, it's on the facebook group that me and my friends joined
Posted by: jenny tries to hang with the hip kidz at March 26, 2012 01:27 PM (Y+DPZ)
Hey, same thing happened to a kid (24 year old) I know. He was a druggie but supposedly had cleaned up his act. Wifey goes out of town and he's sitting in the parking lot of a public school in the middle of the night in a snow storm. A cop comes by and somehow the kid gets killed by the cop.
Family says cop just shot him (even though cop had to spend the evening in the emergency room) and that the kid was clean of drugs. After a year the report finally comes out that the kid was ordered out of the car and apparently had cocaine on him, then tried to run, cop catches him, kid tries to take his gun, cop unloads said gun into said kid.
Case closed. Happens all the time. For the record, both cop and kid were white.
Posted by: Jaimo at March 26, 2012 01:27 PM (x1vrl)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at March 26, 2012 01:28 PM (VW0I/)
>>That's the dumbest thing ever. You have no right to start a fight with someone walking away from you.<<
No one starts a "fight" with someone walking away from them. The concept of an attack from the rear is to avoid a fight by suddenly bashing the back of the head so the target gets all goofy, wobbly and falls down in a drooling heap. That is not a fight.
Obviously, the poor young child screwed it all up and may have used the bag of Skittles.
Posted by: Doug S at March 26, 2012 01:28 PM (bGgEi)
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Posted by: Calypso Louie-Lou-eye at March 26, 2012 01:47 PM (gAuX8)
Sounds like somebody ran that file through some noise reduction software.
You know the kind of person "that works in the most state of the art studio in the Biz" paid for by a worldwide media network "who's also one of the best audio guys in the broadcasting business".
CNN thinks were stupid. I mean you can get a demo of some of the best noise reduction plugin's for your audio program in the world.......For FREE!
Good work guys. Next time rdbrewer send the file out to all your Audio connects and we'll crowd source that bitch for you.
I'm on the list, but have to remain anonymous as well.
They blacklist audio guys too in Hollywood. Bitch-Ass MotherFuckers!
Posted by: ina_ginalship at March 26, 2012 01:48 PM (IXuVr)
Posted by: TexasJew at March 26, 2012 02:00 PM (z8HSj)
Posted by: qrstuv at March 26, 2012 02:44 PM (m3Xia)
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Posted by: doom am I, full-ripe, dealing death to the worlds, engaged in devouring mankind. at March 26, 2012 03:28 PM (QJRDE)
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Posted by: blah at March 26, 2012 05:50 PM (JRHVs)
I think that O-boo-boo knows that the j--, er, um, the joke is up. He wants to rally his welfare, food-stamp, ex-felon,bleeding heart, illegal, imbecile (etc) base to threaten the majority. This will not end well.
Those of us in urban areas, be prepared, those of you in rural areas, please come visit us soon.
Posted by: damocles at March 26, 2012 05:56 PM (RM+Mi)
MSNBC and other news outlets are saying it is either "coons" or "goons," and are not evening mentioning "punks."
And of course, all the black advocates are saying he definitely said "coons."
Also, where is the media coverage about the 2 black kids that lit a white kid on fire and said he deserved it because "he's white?"
Posted by: Erix at March 26, 2012 07:13 PM (K9tLb)
I last heard "coon" as a racial epithet back in the 1960s. Is it current in Florida Hispanic circles? Is a Peruvian likely to say that? Does anyone know? Does anyone care?
Posted by: Brown Line at March 26, 2012 07:40 PM (HB4/n)
It's clear Jenny has issues with guns. She looks at Z as if he was the "bad guy" from the git-go. I guess Z was suppose to know Martin was 17 years old and just out walking in the rain at night.
The issue raised, Why did Z get out of his car? I think he lost sight of Martin and got out to see if he could spot the guy maybe between buildings or behind shrubbery. I don't think he was trying to confront Martin. He was looking to see where the guy went so he could tell the cops. He goes back to his car and Martin jumps him. But WHY would Martin jump Z? Why not just keep out of sight and go home? Martin was banging Z's head to the ground over and over. Trying to knock him out? Is it possible this event turned into a mugging? But Martin didn't know about the gun and Z had to get the guy off him.
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