October 27, 2012
— DrewM This story is making the rounds and I'm seeing people trying to connect it to Benghazi somehow.
The Navy said Saturday it is replacing the admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment.Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette is being sent back to the USS John C. Stennis' home port at Bremerton, Wash., in what the Navy called a temporary reassignment. The Navy said he is not formally relieved of his command of the Stennis strike group but will be replaced by Rear Adm. Troy M. Shoemaker, who will assume command until the investigation is completed.
It is highly unusual for the Navy to replace a carrier strike group commander during its deployment.
It is very unusual for the Navy to fire such a high ranking officer but it's not unusual for them to remove a commander who has done something to lose the trust of their superiors.
How do I know this isn't connected to Benghazi? He'd be the worst scape goat in all of history for several reasons.
1. The Stennis Carrier group is in the Persian Gulf area, which is the 5th Fleet Area of Responsibility. It's nowhere near Libya, which is in the 6th Fleet AoR
Most importantly is this little tidbit in the story.
The Stennis group deployed from Bremerton in late August and had entered the Navy 5th Fleet's area of operations in the Middle East on Oct. 17 after sailing across the Pacific.
I don't know exactly where Stennis was on SEPTEMBER 11th but it was nowhere near Libya.
Calendars....How do they work?
My prediction: Gaouette's "judgment" issues have more to do with the port calls in Thailand and Malaysia than nefarious politics.
There are also some rumblings about the General Ham's replacement as Commander of Africa Command being announced this week. If you look at the history of combatant command tours they are usually about 2-2.5 years and this announcement is well within that window. Ham's replacement was simply named, he still must be confirmed by the Senate and then there's usually a few months until the actual change of command.
There are a lot of unanswered questions but trying to fill them in with crazy speculation doesn't help anyone.
Added: There's also a story going around (sorry, no links for nutty conspiracy theories) that General Ham was about to disobey Obama's supposed "stand down" order and was removed from command by his second in command.
Apparently it was only double-secret probation or something.
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Posted by: Victoria at October 27, 2012 12:36 PM (tV5ow)
Posted by: boulder Neutral hobo at October 27, 2012 12:39 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Occam at October 27, 2012 12:40 PM (lkUU9)
Except that, from what I hear, he's been there 18 months, which is outside that window.
More importantly, why exactly are nominations of any kind happening 2-3 weeks before an election?
Posted by: Methos at October 27, 2012 12:41 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at October 27, 2012 12:41 PM (hlUJY)
Posted by: steevy at October 27, 2012 12:42 PM (6o4Fb)
Nobody ever said a word to him about it then.
Posted by: Vic at October 27, 2012 12:43 PM (YdQQY)
...according to wikipedia. No info given about where he's headed from here.
Posted by: Methos at October 27, 2012 12:43 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at October 27, 2012 12:44 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 12:44 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Vic at October 27, 2012 12:44 PM (YdQQY)
Was that the same one who disallowed playing Doors music?
Because that one liked Hong Kong a lot, too.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 27, 2012 12:44 PM (Qxe/p)
Because the MSM certainly wouldn't use any overstatement on Romney's part to discredit him, now would it.
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 12:45 PM (6TB1Z)
I don't remember him not liking the Doors.
Posted by: Vic at October 27, 2012 12:46 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 27, 2012 12:47 PM (jUytm)
Posted by: GuyfromNH at October 27, 2012 12:48 PM (kbOju)
Posted by: Adm George Morrison at October 27, 2012 12:48 PM (lkUU9)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 04:44 PM
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You just won the internets.
Posted by: Lurking Flaneur at October 27, 2012 12:48 PM (hPlLv)
Posted by: Vic at October 27, 2012 12:49 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 12:49 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Vic at October 27, 2012 04:46 PM (YdQQY)
Well, that rules out Admiral Morrison.
I was on the other carrier mentioned in this (Wiki) bio: http://tinyurl.com/8xtywth
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 27, 2012 12:50 PM (Qxe/p)
Unfortunately, because the media is completely ignoring this we have to dot eh i's and cross the t's. We have to have proof, and damning proof at that. Hoping Griffin can come through...
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at October 27, 2012 12:50 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 27, 2012 12:51 PM (MnSla)
Posted by: ADM Husband E. Kimmel at October 27, 2012 12:51 PM (w95i1)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 12:53 PM (Z9EHQ)
That is all, carry on.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 27, 2012 12:53 PM (wR+pz)
There were two drones deployed to Benghazi.
According to Jennifer Griffin's report...anyone with clearance, had access to watching the video feed from those drones.
The drones worked in tandem.
They provided a live feed for over 6 hours of the fire fight.
Would an Admiral have access to that live feed?
Someone let this information out...to FoxNews.
Someone who knew about the 6 hours of drone coverage.
Posted by: wheatie at October 27, 2012 12:54 PM (ipkPX)
Explain to me how a carrier strike group in either the western Pacific or Indian Ocean has anything to do with what happened in Benghazi, Libya on September 11th.
I'll wait.
Posted by: DrewM. at October 27, 2012 12:54 PM (AR+tO)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 12:54 PM (+XD7n)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 12:55 PM (Z9EHQ)
It seems obvious that the MSM will not have anything to do with this story... Hopefully, one of the Super PAC's will get a commercial on TV this week and put the Benghazi issue front and center during the last week of the campaign. Better yet, maybe someone can get an interview from General Ham.
We all need to do what we can to keep this story alive through election day. Call those network news offices, post on blogs, tweet relentlessly and most importantly, talk to family and friends...
Posted by: Tony253 at October 27, 2012 12:57 PM (3yMFT)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 12:57 PM (+XD7n)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 12:58 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Missy from Mississippi at October 27, 2012 12:59 PM (Dll6b)
Who's talking about dismissing the possibilities? We just need to be very careful here that we don't do something that inadvertently helps defeat Romney. We have less than 2 weeks to go.
Nothing happens if Romney is defeated. Everything is possible if he wins.
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 12:59 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: occam at October 27, 2012 01:00 PM (lkUU9)
Heck, he might be leading it.
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 04:57 PM (+XD7n)
Where was he on 9/11/2012? Huh? Huh?
Posted by: Methos at October 27, 2012 01:00 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 01:01 PM (+XD7n)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny, GET THE UN OUT OF THE US at October 27, 2012 01:02 PM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 01:02 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: occam at October 27, 2012 01:02 PM (lkUU9)
Posted by: Truman North at October 27, 2012 01:03 PM (I2LwF)
People are pissed and we want answers - NOW !
Posted by: AmericanDawg at October 27, 2012 01:03 PM (XIsD/)
Posted by: Vic at October 27, 2012 01:04 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 27, 2012 01:04 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 01:04 PM (3ziXJ)
Posted by: TD, one of the proud 53% at October 27, 2012 01:05 PM (DQMcq)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 01:06 PM (3ziXJ)
No it couldn't have.
The story itself says it didn't get their until mid-October. The first two weeks of October they were in Thailand and Malyasia.
Are you saying they departed Bremerton on August 28th, went to Libya (via the Pacific-Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Suez Canal) for no reason and then went halfway back across the world to Asia and then back again to the Gulf?
That's your story?
Posted by: DrewM. at October 27, 2012 01:06 PM (AR+tO)
Posted by: What do you do all day if you don't watch tv, anne? at October 27, 2012 01:06 PM (oZfic)
True, but I still maintain that her head is too big for her body. There's real danger of her tipping over, Guam style.
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 01:06 PM (6TB1Z)
But maybe it's different now, or in the Army.
Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at October 27, 2012 01:06 PM (2VCZA)
Posted by: You heard it here first at October 27, 2012 01:07 PM (cBYCG)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 01:07 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: TD, one of the proud 53% at October 27, 2012 05:05 PM (DQMcq)
No. That one is true.
Unless the Defense Department is lying: http://tinyurl.com/9xyw2gh
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 27, 2012 01:08 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: occam at October 27, 2012 01:09 PM (lkUU9)
Posted by: concrete girl at October 27, 2012 01:09 PM (y2Ojs)
OK, Panetta said he made the decision (with Ham) not to deploy. Fox reported that Glen Doherty and his team came in from Tripoli after the fighting began in Benghazi. Who sent them and who were they? And, what does this story mean?
http://tinyurl.com/8q6xw4y
Posted by: Liberty Lover at October 27, 2012 01:10 PM (aTqVQ)
It made me laugh to think what a track of that voyage would have looked liked.
Posted by: DrewM. at October 27, 2012 01:12 PM (AR+tO)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 27, 2012 01:12 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 27, 2012 01:12 PM (ck76k)
Sorry, but no sale. When a US embassy is under attack and the ambassador is missing, one person should be making the calls, and he didn't.
I suspect that Panetta, good loyal Dem that he is, is covering for his boss because he figures if he doesn't, he's out of a job, and if he does, who knows?
Or, he could just be an idiot. Either way, Obama should have made the call.
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 01:13 PM (6TB1Z)
From Ham's Wiki Bio:
"Commanding General, U.S. Army, Europe and Seventh Army 2008–2011"
"Commander, United States Africa Command 2011–present"
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 27, 2012 01:13 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 27, 2012 01:14 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: White People: More Guilty Now than 4 Years Ago at October 27, 2012 01:14 PM (AzwZn)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 01:14 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: Truman North at October 27, 2012 01:14 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Truman North at October 27, 2012 01:16 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 27, 2012 01:16 PM (ZFXqT)
Who gave the order to not allow a rescue?
Posted by: Truman North at October 27, 2012 05:14 PM (I2LwF)
IF Ham was relieved for "poor decisions" or "insubordination" or the like, my guess would be his immediate boss: Leon Panetta.
Which means Obama has "plausible deniability".
Even though he was probably in the room.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 27, 2012 01:17 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 01:17 PM (3ziXJ)
Posted by: S. Weasel at October 27, 2012 01:18 PM (YOBrO)
Obviously DrewM is part of the conspiracy.
Heck, he might be leading it.
DrewM might be a Sekrit Sikh.
I know that I've never seen him without a turban.
Posted by: garrett at October 27, 2012 01:18 PM (6BaWJ)
Second premise: talking about Benghazi and the CIA being endangers CIA operations. I pointed out that it's common knowledge that anywhere there is an Embassy, there's CIA.
Third premise: TFG doesn't have control or knowledge of day-to-day ops. I pointed out live Pred feed to WH situation room.
He finally gave up.
Posted by: Country Singer at October 27, 2012 01:18 PM (meVGV)
Posted by: TD, one of the proud 53% at October 27, 2012 01:18 PM (+uFux)
AP Poll finds over 50% of Americans are racist.........or hold racist views...........even when NOT specifically asked about race.
I don't know why AP would say such a thing about Blacks, Hispanics and American Indians. I don't believe it for one second.
Posted by: Leon at October 27, 2012 01:19 PM (PHb2k)
Posted by: Liberty Lover at October 27, 2012 01:19 PM (aTqVQ)
He hasn't be relieved, his relief has been named. That's simply the first step in a long process. The nomination of Rodriquez has to go to the Senate then there's a several months long transition period.
Look at the dates on Ham's record. He was confirmed in in November and didn't take over until April of the following year. Ham will be there until about that time.
Look at any other combatant command tour (don't confuse nomination/confirmation dates with change of command date) and they are in the same window.
Or don't.
Posted by: DrewM. at October 27, 2012 01:19 PM (AR+tO)
Posted by: occam at October 27, 2012 01:20 PM (lkUU9)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 27, 2012 01:20 PM (ZFXqT)
Posted by: USA at October 27, 2012 01:20 PM (RIg+t)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 01:20 PM (+XD7n)
Yeah, I think its very possible that they don't even bother Prezzy Osissywad with this type of stuff, because they know he can't make a decision anyway.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 27, 2012 01:21 PM (PHb2k)
Posted by: Ian S. at October 27, 2012 01:22 PM (rPA5/)
President Obama visits the doctor, and says, "Doc....this is embarrassing, but every time I look in the mirror I get sexually aroused". The doctor gives a noncommittal grunt, and replies, "I'm not surprised, Mr. President, you're a pussy".
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 27, 2012 01:22 PM (L7hol)
Look at any other combatant command tour (don't confuse nomination/confirmation dates with change of command date) and they are in the same window.
Or don't.
Posted by: DrewM. at October 27, 2012 05:19 PM (AR+tO)
I am assuming that means you think April 2011 to "present" falls within a "normal tour" window.
We will just have to disagree on that point.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 27, 2012 01:23 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 27, 2012 01:23 PM (TMB3S)
Drew is more then likely correct, but the lack of transparency by the Administration is what fuels these rumors and speculation.
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at October 27, 2012 01:23 PM (8YINY)
I haven't read all the comments yet ,on purpose. For the first time in my adult life I don't trust our CIC, gov'mt and am waivering on the Military. It's truly a sad day. Let me clarify, military spox.
Now I will go back and read.
Posted by: Infidel at October 27, 2012 01:24 PM (prnik)
We do not need the tin foil cap conspiracy theories to explain what happened at Benghazi. Simple incompetence and timidity / cowardice suffices.
Obama and the idiots at State wanted to play nice with the Libyans, and did not want a big, scary security force in Libya.
Terrorists being terrorists wanted to attack the US interests, and saw a weakly secured target. And Benghazi was full of islamic terrorist types (militias).
The idiots (in DC somewhere) that told the CIA to stand down thought that 5 or 6 or however many retired Seals could not affect the Consulate fight. They were forgetting that these were Seals and they were fighting Arab terrorists in a motley militia.
The idiots (again in DC or Africom) did not want to commit US forces to the fight "when things were unclear." It appears that they'd rather let them get overrun, and then with things "clarified," in the morning, they would somehow magically know what to do.
a. They were afraid the Libyan "government" might take offense. Rather than explaining to them that we get offended when our consulates are attacked.
b. We might rock the boat in Libya, and stir up all the islamic terrorist militias. They might start lashing out if we defended our people.
c. DC players were afraid it would turn into a Blackhawk Down scenario with every islamic jihadist scum in a town full of jihadist scum attacking the rescuers. -- After all, the entire Libyan Debacle in 2011 started after Khadaffi said he was going to sort out the islamic jihadi scum in Benghazi. Then the French convinced us to help out the jihadi scum so they could re-write their Libyan oil contracts. (Blood for Oil!!!)
d. It would be over before we get our people there.
e. The pilots might bomb something or hit something that the Libyans claimed was a bus full of nuns and children. see b. and c. above.
f. This would interfere with Obama's re-election campaign.
Nope, just let it blow over. Hope for the best. There was a huge security force of 6-10 people coming from Tripoli. Any hour now, there is plenty of time. They can stabilize the situation. After they find a plane to rent in Tripoli... After the militia clowns in Benghazi figure out who is in charge at the airport and is allowed to escort them to the safe house. Who cares if the Arab blow hards take an hour to decide?
By then it should be dawn too. Things always look better in the morning?
And then the bad guys get in one more shot, and kill Doherty and Woods with mortars after the Tripoli "rescue mission" arrives.
Incompetence and cowardice explains the entire disaster.
Posted by: rd wants the MSM to do their jobs at October 27, 2012 01:24 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 01:25 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 27, 2012 01:27 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 27, 2012 01:27 PM (kc2b9)
You and DrewM, the masters of slaying strawmen.
Posted by: lowandslow at October 27, 2012 01:28 PM (GZitp)
No I think April 2013 falls in the normal window.
Rodriquez has not taken command of AfriCom yet. He won't for months.
Posted by: DrewM. at October 27, 2012 01:28 PM (AR+tO)
Posted by: Up with people at October 27, 2012 01:29 PM (kzFo5)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 01:30 PM (+XD7n)
Posted by: freeus at October 27, 2012 01:30 PM (caDgg)
Yes, I think you've got it. Deliberate ambiguity and plausible deniability. Well, plausible to those who are deliberately obtuse, anyway.
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 01:30 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 01:31 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: Killerdog at October 27, 2012 01:32 PM (Oi60j)
Posted by: freeus at October 27, 2012 01:34 PM (caDgg)
How clever to put up one item (Gaouette) which is likely accurate, and then coyly slip in another (Ham) as if it is equally accurate.
2.5-3 years /= 1.5 years.
Is damage control your profession? I hope it is not math.
Posted by: Armchair1 at October 27, 2012 01:35 PM (FXJ3W)
Posted by: 2012independent at October 27, 2012 01:35 PM (JvBHg)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 27, 2012 01:35 PM (85x54)
Here is a weird part that still bugs me...so we had CIA there.... and then after the event we were all waiting for the CIA or somebody to show up for 2 weeks while reports were rummaging thru the consulate picking up sensitive info. So that's weird.
And then lets say they didn't react to the 9/11 attack (which they didn't) because they thought the fight was over earlier, well then, why wouldn't you still be going to secure the site in the immediate aftermath (supposedly the danger is past at that point). That's even weirder.
Something smells here concerning the reaction. 2 weeks later?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 27, 2012 01:36 PM (PHb2k)
Interesting sudden move at sea for the navy - we're investigating this:
Posted by: AmericanDawg at October 27, 2012 01:36 PM (XIsD/)
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"We do not need the tin foil cap conspiracy theories to explain what happened at Benghazi. Simple incompetence and timidity / cowardice suffices."
And carries none of the penalties of malfeasance.
How perfectly convenient.
Posted by: Armchair1 at October 27, 2012 01:37 PM (FXJ3W)
Sorry, but no sale. When a US embassy is under attack and the ambassador is missing, one person should be making the calls, and he didn't.
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Despite Drew trying to calm us down on Ham and the admiral, the rest of the story still stands. I'm still sticking with my theory that the SCOAMT observed, shrugged his shoulders, looked at his watch, and then walked out of the room.
Posted by: Soona at October 27, 2012 01:37 PM (01q+u)
Posted by: Up with people at October 27, 2012 01:37 PM (kzFo5)
Posted by: willow at October 27, 2012 01:39 PM (hX8cq)
I hope timekeeping isn't your profession since you don't understand when the clock starts and stops on combatant command tour.
Posted by: DrewM. at October 27, 2012 01:40 PM (AR+tO)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 01:40 PM (Z9EHQ)
However, Admiral Gaouette would have received all the same info about the attacks as the rest of the navy. He could easily have demanded that his strike group be sent to the Middle East as soon as possible and been told to shut up. If he pushed back, he could've been relieved of command.
It's not "tinfoil hat" speculation at all. And nobody's claiming he's being made a scapegoat; those of us who think it's connected to Benghazi think he could've been cashiered because he loudly and forcefully criticized the decisions being made, thus falling into the category of "questionable judgment" in that he dissed the C-in-C.
As for General Carter Ham, he could easily have been TEMPORARILY relieved of command and then reinstated so that he wouldn't resign and spill the beans.
None of this is "crazy speculation."
Posted by: Llarry at October 27, 2012 01:40 PM (5l2tw)
Rodriquez has not taken command of AfriCom yet. He won't for months.
Posted by: DrewM. at October 27, 2012 05:28 PM (AR+tO)
As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree on it.
I think 17 months from taking the position to the announcement that he is being replaced is a very short span of time.
You don't. Got it.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 27, 2012 01:42 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Listen to the Children at October 27, 2012 01:42 PM (8HhF2)
Second video in a row now that I've noticed that the Secret Service guys are hanging way back when Barky comes prancing onto the stage the way he does. Mitts guys envelope him. Barky's - a 30 foot buffer. Or I could be imagining the whole thing.
Posted by: Up with people at October 27, 2012 05:37 PM (kzFo5)
Obama probably has a much more secure perimeter with lots more SS security than Romney/ Also, I can see the prima donna saying stand back.
Posted by: rd wants the MSM to do their jobs at October 27, 2012 01:43 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 27, 2012 01:44 PM (ck76k)
Drew what is it about port calls in Thailand and Malaysia that would call the Admiral's judgement into question?
Unless he threw a Toga party for the crew at the Royal Thai Palace with two dozen individual acts of perversion so profound and disgusting that decorum prohibits listing them here.
Quel dealio?
Posted by: MikeD at October 27, 2012 01:44 PM (p8QOg)
Okay, that's random. But at least it distracts us from yet another suicidal fight.
This just in, Michelle Bachmann still good looking.
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 01:44 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 01:45 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 01:46 PM (+XD7n)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 01:47 PM (SAA1o)
When I started middle school, I was assured by my more experienced friends that one did not go for big arm movements while dancing at the sock hop. It was better to keep one's elbows plastered to one's sides. Barky does this when he makes an entrance. You'd think he'd have gotten over middle school by now.
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 01:47 PM (6TB1Z)
Well, that settles that - when you hear it from an Obama spokesmen, you can take it to the bank. Now about Sununu's comment on Powell...
Posted by: sherlock at October 27, 2012 01:47 PM (TQbuA)
Posted by: Up with people at October 27, 2012 01:47 PM (kzFo5)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 05:45 PM (Z9EHQ)
I saw that too!
It's seared -- seared -- in my memory!
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 27, 2012 01:48 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: SFGoth at October 27, 2012 01:48 PM (g+h9h)
It's not outside the realm of reality to question the timing of the replacement of such prominent military positions.
To mock those who question only makes you look arrogant and foolish.
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 27, 2012 01:48 PM (oHt/L)
Posted by: occam at October 27, 2012 01:48 PM (lkUU9)
No, it's an appropriate stance for a journalist. It isn't for a presidential candidate 10 days from winning.
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 01:48 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 01:48 PM (oSFWF)
Posted by: Sexypig at October 27, 2012 01:49 PM (vTSVM)
Second video in a row now that I've noticed that the Secret Service guys are hanging way back when Barky comes prancing onto the stage the way he does. Mitts guys envelope him. Barky's - a 30 foot buffer. Or I could be imagining the whole thing.
I noticed this at teh Ryan rally the other night. SS everywhere. When he came on stage there were 2 in front, 3 on the side a huge I mean huge guy within 15 feet of Ryan. And this is a red county. Only 3K people at the most in the small venue. Lots of kids.
Posted by: Infidel at October 27, 2012 01:49 PM (prnik)
Let me guess: Gen. Ham decided he couldn't work with the bastards who put the kibosh on a Benghazi rescue mission. Via @TypicalCon. [rdbrewer]
Posted by: Gerry at October 27, 2012 01:49 PM (rAOS4)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 27, 2012 01:49 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 01:50 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 01:50 PM (+XD7n)
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 27, 2012 01:50 PM (oHt/L)
Posted by: Sgt. York
So, you're just asking questions, is that it?
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 01:50 PM (6TB1Z)
"We do not need the tin foil cap conspiracy theories to explain what happened at Benghazi. Simple incompetence and timidity / cowardice suffices."
And carries none of the penalties of malfeasance.
How perfectly convenient.
Posted by: Armchair1 at October 27, 2012 05:37 PM (FXJ3W)
Malfeasance? No, their idiocy is more like involuntary manslaughter.
We knew we should have prevented the deaths by beefing up security, but we did not because of politics. No, not money, political considerations.
We could have sent fighters and Spectre gunships. They would have provided heavy weapons support to a compound hit by RPGS and mortars. But someone did not. And after 6 hours, the mortars got lucky and killed and wounded several retired seals at the CIA safehouse. We did not because of politics. No, not lack of resources, political considerations.
Posted by: rd wants the MSM to do their jobs at October 27, 2012 01:51 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 27, 2012 05:49 PM (GEICT)
Why yes. Yes we are.
Personally, I think we should wait for the entire investigation to unfold.
It will turn out there actually WAS an impromptu demonstration!
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 27, 2012 01:52 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 01:52 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 27, 2012 01:53 PM (SKX2R)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 01:54 PM (SAA1o)
142 President Romney needs to issue a very clear order on Day 1.
"If Americans are in danger, anywhere in the World, rescue them. I'll back you up."
And perhaps adding:
"No captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of the enemy." - Horatio Nelson
Posted by: sherlock at October 27, 2012 01:54 PM (TQbuA)
That's right, because like it or not, we can do nothing if Barry is reelected. He'll use his office and the media to cover his tracks.
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 01:54 PM (6TB1Z)
Don't you know that Mitt Romney is going to require a Mormon be quartered in every household in America??????
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 27, 2012 01:55 PM (BuSM8)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 01:55 PM (oSFWF)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 01:55 PM (SAA1o)
Erm...
Posted by: Bull Halsey, chasing after phantom Japanese fleets while leaving the landing beaches undefended at October 27, 2012 01:56 PM (6TB1Z)
Can i put in my request now for a young blond female?Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 01:56 PM (oSFWF)
Well they endorsed Carter in 1980 so they have integrity, or something.
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at October 27, 2012 01:56 PM (9HhTH)
Posted by: Jean at October 27, 2012 01:56 PM (OTtAK)
Posted by: Liberty Lover at October 27, 2012 01:57 PM (aTqVQ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 01:57 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 01:57 PM (3ziXJ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 05:55 PM (oSFWF)
Did you ask your sister that?
Posted by: Tami at October 27, 2012 01:58 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 01:59 PM (oSFWF)
My mother is senile, has alzhiemers, is in a nursing home, and my cock sucking ( well actually muff diving) asshole sister got her a absentee ballot and will submit it with obama's name on it. My mother doesn't know what day it is, who the President is, or what happened 1 minute ago. And my shit head liberal sister thinks that is moral?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 05:55 PM (oSFWF)
Tell her you're inspired by her example, and will be happy to do the same for her should she become (further) incapacitated.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 27, 2012 01:59 PM (U+DUu)
My mother is senile, has alzhiemers, is in a nursing home, and my cock sucking ( well actually muff diving) asshole sister got her a absentee ballot and will submit it with obama's name on it. My mother doesn't know what day it is, who the President is, or what happened 1 minute ago. And my shit head liberal sister thinks that is moral?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 05:55 PM (oSFWF)
One, request the ballot for mom first.
two, have her removed from the voter rolls. you may need a court document showing conservatorship or a doctor's note.
three, if your sister forged mom's name, have her prosecuted.
Posted by: rd wants the MSM to do their jobs at October 27, 2012 01:59 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 01:59 PM (+XD7n)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 05:59 PM (oSFWF)
If she thinks that's a moral thing to do?
Posted by: Tami at October 27, 2012 01:59 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: AmericanDawg at October 27, 2012 02:00 PM (XIsD/)
Posted by: Infidel at October 27, 2012 02:00 PM (prnik)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 02:00 PM (Z9EHQ)
The Hamm replacement is odd. You don't do it mid-crisis, just as a courtesy to avoid any appearance of tampering with his judgement or character, and second, the Senate isn't going to do anything until after the election - and you just tossed them a perfect reason to have another hearing into the mess, why?
Posted by: Jean at October 27, 2012 05:56 PM (OTtAK)
Stop that.
DrewM has already severely chastised me for finding it odd.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 27, 2012 02:00 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: pep>>
Then it's a good thing people are asking questions now, isn't it?
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 27, 2012 02:00 PM (oHt/L)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 02:01 PM (oSFWF)
Well, last I checked, but I could be wrong, this thread was about whether or not Romney should be pounding the table about this, and demanding explanations for (likely but unproven) malfeasance, or should let things unfold with people like BB developing the story. But hey, there's a hill. Let's die on it. Because.
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 02:01 PM (6TB1Z)
Actually, it's nothing of the sort. Drew doesn't seem to know much about the military.
His point is that people are claiming Admiral Gaouette was relieved of command as a scapegoat and that General Ham is still in command of AFRICOM.
Gaouette was relieved for unspecified "questionable judgment." Criticizing Obama and demanding that his carrier strike group be sent in would fall under that definition. Criticizing the C-in-C will get you immediately fired.
Ham could have been temporarily relieved of command for disobeying orders and preparing to send in a rescue team. He then could've been talked into staying on the job for the good of the nation. All military men know that having the C-in-C revealed as a disgusting, incompetent, lying turd is bad for national security. And Ham took an oath to obey his orders.
Don't feel foolish, The only foolishness is the knee-jerk reaction of saying with absolute certainty that neither of these two stories have anything to do with Benghazi.
Posted by: Llarry at October 27, 2012 02:01 PM (5l2tw)
Posted by: What do you do all day if you don't watch tv, anne? at October 27, 2012 02:02 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 02:02 PM (oSFWF)
Posted by: eman>>
Because even if it does turn out to be a coincidence, then it is clearly massive incompetence. Staff shake-ups in the area of conflict are never a good idea.
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 27, 2012 02:02 PM (oHt/L)
172 My mother is senile, has alzhiemers, is in a nursing home, and my cock sucking ( well actually muff diving) asshole sister got her a absentee ballot and will submit it with obama's name on it. My mother doesn't know what day it is, who the President is, or what happened 1 minute ago. And my shit head liberal sister thinks that is moral?
Damn.
That's pretty bad.
I admire your restraint, Nevergiveup.....I would be opening a can of whoopass on her.
But then, I'm a girl and could get away with it.
Posted by: wheatie at October 27, 2012 02:03 PM (ipkPX)
Posted by: USA at October 27, 2012 02:03 PM (RIg+t)
Am I?
You tell me.
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 02:03 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 02:03 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 06:01 PM (6TB1Z)
I think you might be wrong about that.....does Romney's name appear in Drew's post anywhere? You were the first person to throw Romney's name in this discussion.
Posted by: Tami at October 27, 2012 02:03 PM (X6akg)
The "this isn't linked, move on" posture is misguided and premature. That it came so soon after the Ham situation at least plausibly suggests linkage.
There is more to military interactions than looking at a globe.
Posted by: dawnfire at October 27, 2012 02:03 PM (eEeH7)
Dear Bull Halsey, chasing after phantom Japanese fleets while leaving the landing beaches undefended,
Yeah, it's sort of a prerequisite to know where the fucking real fleet is, Bull. Thanks a big fucking lot.
Tin Can Sailors
Posted by: sherlock at October 27, 2012 02:04 PM (TQbuA)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 02:04 PM (oSFWF)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 02:05 PM (3ziXJ)
Posted by: Boomer Redneque thinks Obama is the ineffective sphincter of an incontinent asshole at October 27, 2012 02:05 PM (eQnzo)
Posted by: occam at October 27, 2012 02:05 PM (lkUU9)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 27, 2012 02:06 PM (TMB3S)
You could be wrong. Romney doesn't appear anywhere in Drew's post and the thread overall is simply asking the general question for the sake of the general public whether or not these military replacements are ill-timed or part of a cover-up. I've seen no comments in this thread that Romney should be asking these questions.
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 27, 2012 02:06 PM (oHt/L)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 06:01 PM (oSFWF)
Condolences. I am sorry you have to deal with her, when she should know what is moral and ethical and ignores it..
Posted by: rd wants the MSM to do their jobs at October 27, 2012 02:06 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: bayway48 at October 27, 2012 02:07 PM (FzYtL)
Posted by: Commander Gutsy Call at October 27, 2012 02:08 PM (vm7ot)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 27, 2012 05:55 PM
------------------
Does that mean I have to start wearing pants?
Posted by: Lurking Flaneur at October 27, 2012 02:08 PM (hPlLv)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 27, 2012 02:09 PM (yJYwC)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 02:09 PM (+XD7n)
Posted by: occam at October 27, 2012 02:09 PM (lkUU9)
Maybe. But it's not "tinfoil hat territory" and "crazy speculation" to say they might be connected to Benghazi.
General Stanley McChrystal was fired for criticizing Obama and Biden. It's entirely possible that Admiral Gauoette was relieved of command for criticizing the decisions made to not send help to Benghazi, and it's possible that Ham was temporarily relieved of command but reinstated.
To state otherwise is simply silly.
Posted by: Llarry at October 27, 2012 02:09 PM (5l2tw)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 02:10 PM (3ziXJ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 02:10 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 27, 2012 06:09 PM (yJYwC)
Because it will be revealed that Mormons are behind it.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 27, 2012 02:10 PM (Qxe/p)
If she's liberal, 'moral's got nothing to do with it.
I've got a liberal sister myself; not only does 'moral' have nothing to do with it, common sense doesn't either, most of the time.
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 27, 2012 02:11 PM (oHt/L)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 02:12 PM (SAA1o)
Obama just jumped up 50 points on Intrade.
Good job guys.
Good.
Job.
Posted by: Methos at October 27, 2012 02:12 PM (hO9ad)
I will not be told to sit down and shut up. I don't think Ham's removal is totally benign, because he did speak to Jennifer Griffin.
Since Brett Baier thinks the admiral's removal is odd, I will go with his investigating, and see what happens.
Romney needs to stay out of this, as I also think he might be receiving false or incomplete information.
For those who think I am tin foil, I would remind you that there are a lot of connections Obama has that were ascribed as tin foil when people brought them up 4 years ago. Does anyone think he will support Israel? Does anyone think he might have been sending guns to Al Qaeda in Syria? Why was the increased security to Libya denied?
Pffft. I don't know enough about the military to post authoritatively, but I sure as heck know when things are fishy, and this Benghazi thing is in that category.
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 27, 2012 02:12 PM (GoIUi)
Then it's a good thing people are asking questions now, isn't it?
Posted by: Sgt. York
216 <<Am I?
You tell me.>>
Why? I'm not asking you any questions and I owe you no explanations.
Posted by: Sgt. York
Ummmmm
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 02:13 PM (6TB1Z)
Basically nobody is going to claim anything for the fiasco in Benghazi. The buck wasn't passed, there was no buck, if there was a buck it fell out somewhere or the buck got stolen, whats a buck? Stand up Buck, what am I saying?, God love ya.
I guess they all feel this is better from a political point of view. I think they will realize on Nov. 6th they are wrong.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 27, 2012 02:13 PM (PHb2k)
Pretty much, yeah.
Even if it is scheduled changes, prudence would simply delay the changes until after the election just to avoid the appearance of malfeasance. And we know how hung up they are on appearance.
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 27, 2012 02:14 PM (oHt/L)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 02:15 PM (+XD7n)
Then it's a good thing people are asking questions now, isn't it?
Posted by: Sgt. York
216
<<Am I?
You tell me.>>
Why? I'm not asking you any questions and I owe you no explanations.
Posted by: Sgt. York
Ummmmm
Posted by: pep>>
You misspelled "yes".
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 27, 2012 02:15 PM (oHt/L)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 02:16 PM (3ziXJ)
Posted by: Infidel at October 27, 2012 02:16 PM (prnik)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 02:16 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 27, 2012 02:16 PM (JWLqy)
A guy on Greta last night said it best....
Romney is caught in a catch-22.
If he brings up Benghazi...then they [team-O] will say, "Romney is politicizing it!"
If he doesn't say anything about it...then they say, "Well if Romney isn't bringing it up, then it must not be important!"
So, as usual, Barky and his media coxuckers are trying to have it both ways.
Thank God FoxNews is still digging away at this whole thing.
Judge Jeanine Piro will be doing her whole show tonight, on the Benghazi attack.
She will have Tyrone Woods' family on, as guests, during part of it.
Posted by: wheatie at October 27, 2012 02:16 PM (ipkPX)
Posted by: bayway48 at October 27, 2012 02:16 PM (FzYtL)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 02:17 PM (+XD7n)
I will not be told to sit down and shut up. I don't think Ham's removal is totally benign, because he did speak to Jennifer Griffin.
Since Brett Baier thinks the admiral's removal is odd, I will go with his investigating, and see what happens.
Posted by: Miss Marple
--------------------------------------------------------------
+ 1 , Damn Good Post !
Posted by: AmericanDawg at October 27, 2012 02:17 PM (XIsD/)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 02:17 PM (3ziXJ)
The "this isn't linked, move on" posture is misguided and premature. That it came so soon after the Ham situation at least plausibly suggests linkage.
There is more to military interactions than looking at a globe.
Spot on. Drew said people were accusing Obama of "scapegoating" Admiral Gauoette over Benghazi. Drew apparently doesn't know that military leaders can be relieved of command simply for sending impolitic messages to their higher ups.
Something along of the lines of "Why the fuck aren't we doing something? The fighting has been going on for five hours! What's the holdup?" would've been enough.
Plus, the brass doesn't even have to have a good reason for relieving someone of command. Commanders serve "at the pleasure of the Commander-in-Chief."
Look how think skinned Obama is and what a liar and toady Panetta is. You think they would put up with a lowly admiral questioning them?
Ham is different. If he resigned this close to an election, the media couldn't ignore the story, so they could've temporarily relived him and then appealed to his patriotism to get him to stay on the job.
Posted by: Llarry at October 27, 2012 02:18 PM (5l2tw)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 02:18 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 02:18 PM (oSFWF)
219 How would asking a question or two about this Benghazi situation lead to Romney's "defeat"?
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 27, 2012 06:09 PM (yJYwC)
Because the MFM media will latch on any tin foil conspiracy bullshit and smear the entire story as tinfoil conspiracy bull shit. They will not mention people are asking "WHO ordered the STAND DOWN?" they will only say that the Admiral was not relieved because he could not participate in the rescue at Benghazi, because he was actually near Guam!
Chuckle, chuckle, Ha Ha!!
Aint them wingnutz stoopid.
If there is no tinfoil, they will use the fact that their favorite whipping boy, Glen Beck is asking questions. and again discredit the questions.
Posted by: rd wants the MSM to do their jobs at October 27, 2012 02:19 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 02:20 PM (3ziXJ)
Posted by: Sgt. York
<<Am I?
You tell me.>>
Why? I'm not asking you any questions and I owe you no explanations.
Posted by: Sgt. York
Ummmmm
Posted by: pep>>
You know what? My bad. I should have realized your comprehension problems when you asserted that some were demanding that Romney should be asking these questions. I didn't think the question mark would throw you off. My fault for using proper punctuation when the statement clearly is not an interrogative. Allow me to replace the confusing mark with one that will allow for those with comprehension issues:
"Then it's a good thing people are asking questions now, isn't it."
We apologize for the confusion. Juice boxes will be handed out after nap time.
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 27, 2012 02:21 PM (oHt/L)
However, I would make your sister aware that if she does this again you will file a report with the election board and the Secretary of State. I also would move to have your mother declared incompetent and removed from the roles.
What your sister did is a felony.
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 27, 2012 02:22 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 02:22 PM (SAA1o)
I
will not be told to sit down and shut up. I don't think Ham's removal
is totally benign, because he did speak to Jennifer Griffin.
Since Brett Baier thinks the admiral's removal is odd, I will go with his investigating, and see what happens.
Posted by: Miss Marple>>
You win +1 internet.
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 27, 2012 02:23 PM (oHt/L)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 06:02 PM (oSFWF)
I would have said You sent out the form and mailed it?
aww cht , i had ordered a ballot and did the same thing, I hope they don't arrest Mom for fraud.
Posted by: willow at October 27, 2012 02:23 PM (hX8cq)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 02:23 PM (oSFWF)
Posted by: Radar at October 27, 2012 02:25 PM (Z64pB)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 02:25 PM (+XD7n)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 27, 2012 02:25 PM (yJYwC)
Posted by: Radar at October 27, 2012 02:26 PM (Z64pB)
Posted by: willow at October 27, 2012 02:26 PM (hX8cq)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 27, 2012 02:26 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: Jean at October 27, 2012 02:26 PM (kdfQ/)
Posted by: not the mama at October 27, 2012 02:27 PM (kzCIn)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 27, 2012 02:27 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 02:27 PM (+XD7n)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 27, 2012 02:27 PM (JWLqy)
Agreed, but it is what it is.
Posted by: pep at October 27, 2012 02:28 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Ed Anger at October 27, 2012 02:28 PM (tOkJB)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough>>
True as that is, you aren't exactly their target demographic.
("Wait, if Democrats think SHE's pretty, then so am I...I'm gonna go vote for Obama!")
They've perfected identity politics to both an art and a science.
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 27, 2012 02:28 PM (oHt/L)
Posted by: Jean at October 27, 2012 02:28 PM (kdfQ/)
Posted by: Truman North at October 27, 2012 02:28 PM (I2LwF)
There is a $43 trillion dollar lawsuit for RICO vs Holder et all. (Spire Law Group). It is in WSJ Marketwatch. Or, just google "43 trillion RICO" and you will see it was mentioned by a few outlets on October 25th. There is even a bizarre connection with CNBC Digital Klein, whose children were murdered, had the story up. Then they pulled the story.
The White House? Has no comment.
I think we are living in scary times. Pray for this country.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, unbanned, ready to get this done at October 27, 2012 02:29 PM (baL2B)
Reports indicate two drones and an AC-130 gunship were in the area when Benghazi was attacked, yet their resources were not used.
This runs completely against the current explanation coming out of
the White House, which is that Obama did everything he could once he
learned of the attack.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 27, 2012 02:30 PM (PHb2k)
"Pray the gay away" - is that the sermon next Sunday?
Posted by: Reverend Robinson at October 27, 2012 02:31 PM (khZbv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 02:31 PM (oSFWF)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 27, 2012 02:32 PM (JWLqy)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 02:32 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 27, 2012 06:25 PM (yJYwC)
Because the fucking undecided and squishy independents are ignorant self absorbed pricks. Any question about Obama's incompetence will be played by the MFM as mean attacks by the Romney Monster.
The undecideds are stupid low information voters, that they will believe the MFM, and may vote for the incompetency in chief.
Posted by: rd wants the MSM to do their jobs at October 27, 2012 02:33 PM (zLp5I)
My guess on the Thailand/Malaysia connection was simply based on the fact most "judgement" based reliefs seem to involve alcohol and/or woman (especially of the junior rank variety).
Posted by: DrewM. at October 27, 2012 02:34 PM (AR+tO)
I am avoiding him until after the election. Unfortunately, he is the one who has Thanksgiving. I am seriously thinking about getting a case of the flu and skipping the whole fiasco.
One of the things I hate Obama for is his causing division amongst families. I am old enough to remember my southern democrat dad and my conservative grandpa having good-natured political discussions, sort of like people talked about football teams. That isn't possible anymore.
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 27, 2012 02:34 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 02:34 PM (oSFWF)
Posted by: eman at October 27, 2012 02:35 PM (+XD7n)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 02:35 PM (oSFWF)
Posted by: Andy S. at October 27, 2012 02:36 PM (q72+j)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 27, 2012 02:36 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Ed Anger at October 27, 2012 02:37 PM (tOkJB)
Posted by: Truman North at October 27, 2012 02:38 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: USA at October 27, 2012 02:39 PM (RIg+t)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 02:39 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: Beto at October 27, 2012 02:39 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 02:40 PM (3ziXJ)
Horrors. It must be because of this irresponsible speculation! Everyone shut up, so his job approval can rise!
Pffft. I do NOT like being told to sit down and shut up.
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 27, 2012 02:41 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Truman North at October 27, 2012 02:41 PM (I2LwF)
Gallup: Obama's Job Approval Drops 7 Points in 3 Days
Posted by: USA at October 27, 2012 06:39 PM (RIg+t)
Breitbart seems to think it's because of all the people with tin foil hats.
http://tinyurl.com/8azzk5u
I mean, we've had 6 or 8 perfectly reasonable, totally different explanations given to us, and we still seem to think we're not getting the real story!
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 27, 2012 02:42 PM (Qxe/p)
Oh yeah...Barry brought 'the Chicago way' onto all our T-Giving tables.
"They bring a knife, we bring a gun." Bast^rd. I am tired of being 'nice' to family members who continually berate, call names and generally act nasty over St Barack.
Of course, if I counter their venom, I would be 'the bad guy'. So mostly I am silent and pray and wait.
Posted by: Lizabth at October 27, 2012 02:42 PM (JZBti)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 27, 2012 02:42 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: real joe at October 27, 2012 02:42 PM (PD2ad)
# 276:
"Pray the gay away" - is thatthe sermon next Sunday?
No, that's what Moochelle whispers to herself when she dresses in her slinkiest negligee on a Saturday night.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 27, 2012 02:42 PM (L7hol)
When you read the fine print and the questions they asked, you find that they were asking political questions. (not about the candidates by name but about how things are in the country and so forth)
I think they used that to determine a person political leanings but I also suspect they used it to weight the responses on the intrinsic side.
i thought it was interesting that on the outright obvious questions, Republicans scored like 80% bigoted and Democrats only 30% while when they did the intrinsic questions, they found that Democrats were bigots by 55% and Republicans by 65%
At the bottom of this page == http://tinyurl.com/9q557l4 is the link to the analysis and the details about the questions and how they took the poll.
Posted by: Jcw46 at October 27, 2012 02:42 PM (Vh0f5)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 02:43 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 02:44 PM (oSFWF)
OK, we are all pissed about Benghazi. What can we do?
How about talking to our friends, neighbors, colleagues asking,
WHO ordered the stand down?
WHO ordered the stand down?
The sad part is we may have to explain what a Benghazi is. And what happened on 9/11/12. But if we ask our circles of influence, the word will get out. And eventually the news must cover it. WE have NINE days.
Posted by: rd wants the MSM to do their jobs at October 27, 2012 02:45 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: Truman North at October 27, 2012 02:45 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 27, 2012 02:45 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 27, 2012 02:46 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by:--------------- Miss Marple
Piers Morgan tried to do the same thing with Ann Coulter the other day , it didn't end well for the Slimy Brit...
I believe I saw the clip over at News Busters...
Posted by: AmericanDawg at October 27, 2012 02:46 PM (XIsD/)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 27, 2012 02:46 PM (JWLqy)
Posted by: Ed Anger at October 27, 2012 02:48 PM (tOkJB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 02:49 PM (oSFWF)
Here's what that creepy children singing for Obama video reminded me of -- this clip from the movie 1984 where the uniformed children are singing in praise of the Party:
Posted by: "we are the children" at October 27, 2012 02:49 PM (Q2wni)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 02:49 PM (3ziXJ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 02:49 PM (oSFWF)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 02:50 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: S. Weasel at October 27, 2012 02:50 PM (YOBrO)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 02:50 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 02:50 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 27, 2012 02:50 PM (jucos)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 27, 2012 06:46 PM (JWLqy)
Someone has confused catapults with arrester systems in the article. I do not think it was the PIO though.
Posted by: rd wants the MSM to do their jobs at October 27, 2012 02:51 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 27, 2012 02:52 PM (jucos)
That picture at Africom.com - that's supposed to be General Ham? That's not him! That's . . . . that's . . . . omigawd, this is all getting just WAAAAAAYY too complex for me . . .
That's not Ham! That's Brett Kimberlin!
Posted by: bobby b at October 27, 2012 02:52 PM (uvdTG)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 27, 2012 02:53 PM (JWLqy)
282 #257 Nevergiveup, I have a union-brainwashed brother. Here we are in 2012 and he STILL has a "Get out of the Bushes" bumper sticker on his truck. Last time I was at his house, he had photos of Barack and Michelle on hos fridge, which no doubt were because of his donations.
-------Reminds me of the time I worked at a temp job. On the first day I kinda sorta rearranged my area....The first thing I took down was a pic of Hillary...lol, thanks for reminding me.
Posted by: concrete girl at October 27, 2012 02:53 PM (y2Ojs)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 02:53 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 02:54 PM (3ziXJ)
Not because he actually -did- or -tried- to do anything in particular. But because he couldn't restrain himself. A "Who the flaming fuck ordered -this-?!?" is pretty much normal -here-. But saying the same thing anywhere it can be reported back to higher could well be enough.
Posted by: Al at October 27, 2012 02:54 PM (MzQOZ)
Posted by: Andy S. at October 27, 2012 02:54 PM (q72+j)
Posted by: Truman North at October 27, 2012 02:55 PM (I2LwF)
#311
Twin 550 MW nuclear reactors? Holy shit! I should call my doctor now, because this boner is going to last longer than four hours.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 27, 2012 02:56 PM (L7hol)
I have found it very effective to hang around the meat department at the grocery and look for likely suspects, then comment about th sky high cost of beef. ($17.00 for a chuck roast!!) I make a comment about the prices, and then, depending on their reaction, I can tell if they are Obama or Romney voters.
If they are Obama voters, I ask them if they know about how the EPA and Obama have driven up the cost of fuel, which causes grocery prices to rise. If they are receptive, I talk about inflation caused by printing more money.
If they are Romney voters, I get them to talking and (since I am an older person and possibly hard of hearing) I talk real loud with them, and then THEY get real loud, and then everyone in the area hears all of the stuff we are saying!
I do this every time I go to the grocery store.
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 27, 2012 02:56 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Ed Anger at October 27, 2012 06:37 PM (tOkJB)
Um. What? You'd have to check the exact requirements of your state but filling in a ballot for someone else is really really really damn illegal, absent certain very specific circumstances (ie physically unable to complete and have an appointed person complete it at your request in your presence).
Disclaimer time: not your lawyer, not licensed in your jurisdiction, general information only. If your sister is aware that your mother is mentally incompetent and she is still voting for her, then she is very likely violating her duties as power of attorney and not only can but should be replaced. Not to mention the whole really damn illegal thing.
In other news, how many penalties have there been in the Florida Georgia game, 100+?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at October 27, 2012 02:56 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Ed Anger at October 27, 2012 02:57 PM (tOkJB)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 27, 2012 06:53 PM (JWLqy)
Naw, I was referring to the Malaysian MFM'er. He tried, but I think he got a little confused in his description of what stops the planes.
Posted by: rd wants the MSM to do their jobs at October 27, 2012 02:57 PM (zLp5I)
From the $43 trillion RICO lawsuit vs Government officials including Holder, Anita Dunn, Jarret, Corzine, and Geitner (bailout moneyhas not been repaid). From WSJ Marketwatch 10/25/12:
“In the District Court lawsuit, Spire Law Group, LLP — on behalf of home owner across the Country and New York taxpayers, as well as under other taxpayer recompense laws — has expanded its mass tort action into federal court in Brooklyn, New York, seeking to halt all foreclosures nationwide pending the return of the $43 trillion ($43,000,000,000.00) by the “Banksters” and their co-conspirators, seeking an audit of the Fed and audits of all the “bailout programs” by an independent receiver such as Neil Barofsky, former Inspector General of the TARP program who has stated that none of the TARP money and other “bailout money” advanced from the Treasury has ever been repaid despite protestations to the contrary by the Defendants as well as similar protestations by President Obama and the Obama Administration both publicly on national television and more privately to the United States Congress.
Because the Obama Administration has failed to pursue any of the “Banksters” criminally, and indeed is actively borrowing monies for Mr. Obama’s campaign from these same “Banksters” to finance its political aspirations, the national group of plaintiff home owners has been forced to now expand its lawsuit to include racketeering, money laundering and intentional violations of the Iranian Nations Sanctions and Embargo Act by the national banks included among the “Bankster” Defendants. “
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, unbanned, ready to get this done at October 27, 2012 02:58 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 27, 2012 02:58 PM (JWLqy)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 27, 2012 02:59 PM (jucos)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 02:59 PM (3ziXJ)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 27, 2012 03:00 PM (JWLqy)
Posted by: Beto at October 27, 2012 03:02 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: D. R. Ainsborough at October 27, 2012 03:02 PM (3ziXJ)
Posted by: Sherriff Joe Biden at October 27, 2012 03:03 PM (Nts6c)
Regarding the fact we have 9 days, rd, I recommend talking this up.
I have found it very effective to hang around the meat department at the grocery and look for likely suspects, then comment about th sky high cost of beef. ($17.00 for a chuck roast!!) I make a comment about the prices, and then, depending on their reaction, I can tell if they are Obama or Romney voters.
If they are Obama voters, I ask them if they know about how the EPA and Obama have driven up the cost of fuel, which causes grocery prices to rise. If they are receptive, I talk about inflation caused by printing more money.
If they are Romney voters, I get them to talking and (since I am an older person and possibly hard of hearing) I talk real loud with them, and then THEY get real loud, and then everyone in the area hears all of the stuff we are saying!
I do this every time I go to the grocery store.
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 27, 2012 06:56 PM (GoIUi)
^^^^YES!!!!^^^^
This is one way we all can change a vote or two. IMO, People believe in their neighbor's judgement. That is one reason political signs work.
WORD OF MOUTH works.
Posted by: rd wants the MSM to do their jobs at October 27, 2012 03:04 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 03:04 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2012 05:55 PM (oSFWF)
----------->>>
It's actually illegal to cast an absentee ballot in another person's name. But with leftists, the ends justify the means.
I'd suggest that you call the appropriate board of elections. If you don't want to get your sister in legal trouble, tell the board that you had heard a rumor that your Alzheimer's-stricken mother was sent an absentee ballot.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 27, 2012 03:04 PM (nYHk7)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 03:06 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 27, 2012 03:07 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 27, 2012 03:07 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 03:09 PM (SAA1o)
Posted by: Al at October 27, 2012 03:10 PM (MzQOZ)
Posted by: teej says go K-State at October 27, 2012 03:10 PM (/BwGa)
Posted by: rd wants the MSM to do their jobs at October 27, 2012 03:12 PM (zLp5I)
131 Posted by: DrewM. at October 27, 2012 05:40 PM (AR+tO)
1 year, 7 months, 10 days was Ham's duration from assuming command to the announcement that Rodriguez was replacing him. Approval will take what, 2 months? maybe 3? So that's a 2 year stint end to end, when 3 years or more is average. Check out EUCOM history, since AFRICOM is new.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EUCOM
The timing of the replacement, barely a month after the September 11th debacle, is *interesting* to say the least. Especially considering the direct involvement of the parties involved, the disavowments and prevarication which followed, and appearance of communications that hint that maybe, just maybe, SECDEF & TOTUS weren't being 'the most transparent leaders ever'
Gaouette & Ham are two completely different stories. Why you chose to incorporate them as somehow connected (both 'nutty'? is that how you phrased it or something to that effect?) places your objectivity and agenda in question. Alinsky's Rule #5 perchance?
Posted by: Armchair1 at October 27, 2012 03:12 PM (FXJ3W)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 27, 2012 03:15 PM (SAA1o)
Even if you think it's early consider this: Panetta doesn't think Obama is going to win and he wants to name his replacement and try to sneak the confirmation through in the lame duck.
Posted by: DrewM. at October 27, 2012 03:31 PM (AR+tO)
That makes more sense. Still the timing just sets a big flag.
The next ten days will be mighty interesting. Waiting to see if more stuff comes out into the open.
We sure need it.
No harsh feelings then
Posted by: Armchair1 at October 27, 2012 03:35 PM (FXJ3W)
Posted by: beverly at October 27, 2012 04:07 PM (w/8oh)
Posted by: holmes at October 27, 2012 04:31 PM (Q38Em)
Posted by: In the Belly of the Beast-Kathy in MD at October 27, 2012 05:08 PM (A5iH4)
Posted by: Jeff Gauch at October 27, 2012 05:14 PM (N49zT)
Things must have changed then. Thirty years ago a 'flamer' was regarded as a character-building experience for his juniors.
Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at October 27, 2012 05:32 PM (2VCZA)
Posted by: Jeff Gauch at October 27, 2012 07:03 PM (N49zT)
No idea about the misconduct allegations, though they announced on the 1MC (PA system) that it was an IG investigation, and that announcement was the first I heard about it. I myself, working in Logistics, suspected it was financial related, improper use of funds, but I really don't know. Way above my pay grade.
Posted by: unkownsailor at October 27, 2012 11:24 PM (e88kd)
Posted by: soopermexican at October 27, 2012 11:36 PM (52BzA)
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Dispatches) at October 28, 2012 03:00 AM (p4U6S)
Actually, I would have expected him to dither until the General actually did something and then take the credit if it worked.
Posted by: Sabba Hillel at October 28, 2012 06:18 AM (6M5VX)
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Dispatches) at October 28, 2012 07:52 AM (p4U6S)
Posted by: Mr. Khan at October 28, 2012 08:23 AM (6MiMG)
Posted by: HtP at October 28, 2012 12:19 PM (jx2j9)
Posted by: padraeg at October 28, 2012 01:01 PM (12XHu)
Posted by: GM at October 28, 2012 02:16 PM (9wauV)
Posted by: Tom Mannis at October 29, 2012 06:49 AM (tNq7p)
Yesterday, I went to vote.. I was met out side the precinct by two obama supporters who asked me to vote for obama.,.I am very upset over the whole obama fantasy, but the bengazi deal has pushed me over the edge..I asked them in a very loud voice, "what do you guys want to do , kill some more navy seals? "" Of course, they started yelling. I then told them they had put a community organizer in as comander in chief and some of the blood was on their hands. They yelled louder. I yelled " Liberal fools and walked off.. As I was walking to the building another group of people out side the precinct appaulded me. When I came out they were waiting for me and thanked me for what I had said..We need a sighn at every polling place.
OBAMA=DEAD SEALS
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