August 17, 2012

NOAA: Thieving Bastards
— LauraW

When the stated policy of a government agency is to regulate an industry, but the unstated, *actual* policy is to destroy that industry, personal livelihoods must die to satisfy the whims of bureaucrats.

In a decade-long battle, Yacubian was thwarted at every turn. When he was ready to show that the NOAA's equipment was so unreliable it couldn't prove he had been in a forbidden area, his expert witness -- a respected Massachusetts Environmental Police officer -- came under pressure and asked to be excused from testifying. Yacubian lost his case, his permits, his boat and his income.

When Yacubian asked for a discretionary appeal -- inside the agency -- he was refused, and had to make to make a costly appeal to a federal court. He won the appeal, and the federal judge ordered his vessel permit and operator permit restored, and sent the case back to the NOAA for reworking according to his instructions. The NOAA ignored the federal judge, withheld Yacubian's permits and went through the same motions and same decision as before.

Yacubian's attorney's fees mounted to more than $250,000, and he tried to sell his boat and permits, worth nearly a million dollars. The NOAA blocked the sale three times by refusing to release the permits -- without which the boat was unsalable. Without an income and out of resources, in July 2005 Yacubian gave up and settled with the NOAA. The agency got everything, and he got less than half the boat's sale price.

It just so happens, in an odd bit of good fortune for the NOAA, that the money corruptly stolen from the NOAA's victims is then used to furnish lavish party boat cruises for NOAA employees and their kin. Go figure! Who coulda seen that coming, right?

So. That's nice. For them. I don't see any conflict of interest here. Only justice.

Yep.

Thanks to Andy.

Posted by: LauraW at 12:58 PM | Comments (184)
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1 Social justice.  Punish the bastards.

Posted by: twit of the year at August 17, 2012 12:58 PM (5TXNQ)

2 Now it's cocktail hour....

Posted by: i am mad as hell and i am not going to take it anymore at August 17, 2012 12:59 PM (cgxNI)

3 Burn it down!


All of it!

Posted by: General Woundwort at August 17, 2012 12:59 PM (06lNq)

4 ... explains the ammo.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 17, 2012 01:01 PM (C8hzL)

5 NOAA blows. Their offshore weather forecasts suck. Slaughtering a goat and examining the entrails gives a better forecast.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 17, 2012 01:01 PM (TMB3S)

6 I have to give Barney Frank some credit for defending him. Probably a first and last time.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 17, 2012 01:02 PM (l9GQj)

7 The NOAA ignored the federal judge, withheld Yacubian's permits and went through the same motions and same decision as before.


Sounds familiar with this lawless administration. Why did not the judge do like the Fed judge in LA and threaten NOAA with contempt of court?

Posted by: Vic at August 17, 2012 01:02 PM (YdQQY)

8 What does NOAA stand for? I am acronym challenged.

Posted by: Elizabethe from elsewhere at August 17, 2012 01:02 PM (fJody)

9

I believe the phrasing is:

tar. feathers. beaurocrats. some assembly required.

but I'm trending towards:

horses, rope. beaurocrats. some disassembly required.

Posted by: NewEnglandDevil at August 17, 2012 01:03 PM (73P68)

10 Yeah, I'd say some people need to be fired and publicly humiliated over that. WTF is with these people ignoring Judges? Maybe the Judiciary should be buying more ammo?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 17, 2012 01:03 PM (bxiXv)

11

National

Oceanographic and

Atmospheric

Association

Posted by: NewEnglandDevil at August 17, 2012 01:03 PM (73P68)

12 It gets better....

EPA basically decreed by edict no proof that a ranch in iowa had "endangered plants" on it....

was a working hobby farm....

ERA bankrupted 'em family fought hired an ISU botny survey whole 9 yards....was probably a seed carried by a fox or plated there by EPA....

long story short the plant was 2 years dead, family broke EPA shrugged a developer whose husband is epa bought the ranch at fire rate prices and made condos....

I'm serious if Romney wants to he can destroy the civil service in a year.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2012 01:03 PM (LRFds)

13 Hi.  I'm from the government.  I'm here to help.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 17, 2012 01:03 PM (nDcVA)

14

So every day the big screw of American government is exposed. It only gets worse. What's the point? 

Call me when they fire on Sumter.

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 17, 2012 01:04 PM (2d71t)

15 Sometimes I feel mighty thirsty.

Posted by: The Tree of Liberty at August 17, 2012 01:04 PM (AZGON)

16 National Oceanic and Atmospheric Admin. IIRC.

Posted by: Infidel at August 17, 2012 01:04 PM (O/fK8)

17 I love your hump when you get indignant, lauraw.

Posted by: garrett at August 17, 2012 01:04 PM (17UDs)

18 8 What does NOAA stand for? I am acronym challenged. Posted by: Elizabethe from elsewhere at August 17, 2012 05:02 PM (fJody) http://www.noaa.gov/ As usual, the answer is on an Internet near you.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 17, 2012 01:04 PM (bxiXv)

19 But they'll do a better job when they run Health Insurance.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2012 01:05 PM (r4wIV)

20 Morons and moronettes are perfectly suited to the formation of a modern sans-culottes.  You know, without pants.

Posted by: Cicero at August 17, 2012 01:05 PM (QKKT0)

21 NOAA and NMFS can suck my dick.

Posted by: Don't ask and I won't tell you at August 17, 2012 01:05 PM (Zs83Q)

22 If that happened to me, I'd probably wind up in prison for murder.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 17, 2012 01:06 PM (dZ756)

23 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 17, 2012 01:06 PM (8y9MW)

24 Good lord. Any government agency that gets funded by fines it imposes will become a tyrant/despot. I thought that there was language in the Constitution to prevent this from happening, or am I incorrect? I hope President Romney shuts NOAA down, right after he gets rid of the EPA and the Dept of Education.

Posted by: moki at August 17, 2012 01:06 PM (dZmFh)

25 Oh, so can the EPA... and USDA and OSHA.  They all fuck with fishing.

Posted by: Don't ask and I won't tell you at August 17, 2012 01:07 PM (Zs83Q)

26 I'm serious if Romney wants to he can destroy the civil service in a year. Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2012 05:03 PM (LRFds) Unfortunately, I don't think he will. At least not without a METRIC F***TON of pressure. Which will be countered by the largest political lobbying organization in the world - the Federal Government itself.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 17, 2012 01:07 PM (bxiXv)

27 This takes "policing for profit" to a whole 'nother level.

My head nearly exploded.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 17, 2012 01:07 PM (8y9MW)

28
Morons and moronettes are perfectly suited to the formation of a modern sans-culottes. You know, without pants.

Posted by: Cicero at August 17, 2012 05:05 PM (QKKT0)








Luckily for the Horde, wearing assless chaps would technically fall under the phrase "without pants".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 17, 2012 01:07 PM (TIIx5)

29 Its amazing what a lack of accountability, demented attachment to leftist ideology, and an unlimited budget will do to any organization.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2012 01:07 PM (r4wIV)

30 This is why they felt the need to buy 40,000 rounds of .357.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 17, 2012 01:08 PM (X3lox)

31 I thought that there was language in the Constitution to prevent this from happening, or am I incorrect? Posted by: moki at August 17, 2012 05:06 PM (dZmFh) Unfortunately, language can't prevent corruption.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 17, 2012 01:08 PM (bxiXv)

32 Ahh, yes, NOAA, one of those agencies that just bought a stockpile of ammunition.

Posted by: GMan at August 17, 2012 01:08 PM (UkbKS)

33 I'm serious if Romney wants to he can destroy the civil service in a year.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2012 05:03 PM


Sounds good to me.

Posted by: huerfano at August 17, 2012 01:08 PM (bAGA/)

34 EPA basically decreed by edict no proof that a ranch in iowa had "endangered plants" on it....

was a working hobby farm....

ERA bankrupted 'em family fought hired an ISU botny survey whole 9 yards....was probably a seed carried by a fox or plated there by EPA....

long story short the plant was 2 years dead, family broke EPA shrugged a developer whose husband is epa bought the ranch at fire rate prices and made condos....

I'm serious if Romney wants to he can destroy the civil service in a year.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2012 05:03 PM (LRFds)

 

 

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Remember.  Punctuation is your friend. 

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2012 01:08 PM (Cn8U9)

35 I hope that boat with all these corrupt hacks gets lost at sea and washes ashore on Monster Island.

Posted by: UGAdawg at August 17, 2012 01:08 PM (WYOrt)

36 I have to give Barney Frank some credit for defending him. Probably a first and last time. Posted by: Dr. Varno I know, I was flabbergasted to see that he believed the fisherman was treated badly. There is a first for everything, isn't there!

Posted by: moki at August 17, 2012 01:09 PM (dZmFh)

37 26 Mero,

If he does not purge EPA and Energy, and maybe Ed we're screwed...

EPA runs the country now...

the sierra club has more say over US Industry than Congress.....


they're either gonna let us go when the time comes now or in 100 years or they are getting ran over.....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2012 01:10 PM (LRFds)

38 13 Hi. I'm from the government. I'm here to help. Shit

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 17, 2012 01:10 PM (GEICT)

39 And they ordered 500,000 rounds of ammo. Fuck them.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2012 01:10 PM (q1qYQ)

40 "I know, I was flabbergasted to see that he believed the fisherman was treated badly. There is a first for everything, isn't there!"
It dates back to the Bush administration. It was OK to think government agencies might do something wrong back then.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2012 01:11 PM (r4wIV)

41 There is now little difference between the government and organized crime.

Change, Obama dun brung it.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 17, 2012 01:11 PM (AUeaU)

42 stopped clock--right twice a day

Posted by: Bill in Billings at August 17, 2012 01:11 PM (Dll6b)

43

Well if they come after us with 357s we'll have a huge accuracy advantage.  Just saying.

Posted by: twit of the year at August 17, 2012 01:11 PM (5TXNQ)

44 Unfortunately, language can't prevent corruption. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 17, 2012 05:08 PM (bxiXv) Especially if the Justice Department won't deign to investigate and prosecute these crimes. So ready for a real change!!!

Posted by: moki at August 17, 2012 01:11 PM (dZmFh)

45
4 ... explains the ammo.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 17, 2012 05:01 PM (C8hzL)


Like I said before, NOAA needs as many bullets as Barney Fife.

Posted by: Ed Anger at August 17, 2012 01:12 PM (tOkJB)

46 Anyone who has ever seen BBC's "Yes, Minister" and "Yes, Prime Minister" knows one basic fact: no matter what presidents or congressmen or political parties come and go, the bureaucracy is always the same. Until that's cleared out, nothing will really change. Its like having Hoover in the FBI for 50 years, who cares what the president is, his rule is law in that agency. And they're all like that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2012 01:12 PM (r4wIV)

47 Is this really that surprising?

The government just let off the hook a "made" man who straight up stole a billion dollars.

A billion dollars!!

A small time fisherman would register a blip on their give a fuck meter!

Posted by: General Woundwort at August 17, 2012 01:12 PM (06lNq)

48 This is not TGIF content.

Posted by: need to start drinking after that one at August 17, 2012 01:13 PM (HOOye)

49 So? He didn't build that.

Posted by: Barky at August 17, 2012 01:13 PM (AWmfW)

50 National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association. I hate asset forfeiture as much as the next libertarian moron, but this story is fishy. He was hailed by the Coast Guard, so the claim that NOAA's ability to locate his whereabouts accurately is specious. In 1998 I had good enough GPS to know where I was on the water and the Coast Guard damn sure did. The scallop fishery is not his "family farm", it's the Commons, and the commons is a tragedy in nearly every fishery in the world. Has NOAA become a "money grubbing whore"? (thank you, Departed), maybe. It's news to me. Of course Brown and Frank will mouthe reassuring words, you have to say nice things about commercial fishermen in MA. I always thought that NOAA played things down the middle, but asset forfeiture is a deadly temptation. All of that notwithstanding, this fisherman's defense is "the police officer's radar gun is defective", which doesn't hold seawater in this case. He was surely fishing in a restricted area. Areas don't get restricted to please bureaucrats, bureaucrats get pressure from the Browns and Franks. Fisheries are collapsing everywhere from overharvest and exclusion zones are necessary for the next generations.

Posted by: Guy who sometimes posts as Prufrock at August 17, 2012 01:14 PM (u18HN)

51 34 Soona)

Forgive, me I was unaware that was that confusing.  I was once an idealist who believed in the possible limitation of Federal Regulatory agencies to "acceptable" limits.  I am not ashamed to admit this at various time I have believed in: Santa, the Easter bunny, love at first sight, I can explain, it won't happen again, no no I thought it was you, hey Sven you can take one drink, and a slew of other if not outright lies at least partial delusions.

Nothing prepared me for what I discovered about Feds gone wild, and this was before Bush the elder gave the precedent for Law Enforcement and regulation to be predatorial for profit.

The punctuation is acceptable now yes?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2012 01:14 PM (LRFds)

52 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 17, 2012 05:04 PM (bxiXv) It's more fun to ask you guys-- you never know when you'll get a good joke out of it.

Posted by: Elizabethe from elsewhere at August 17, 2012 01:15 PM (fJody)

53 Well I;m sure nothing like this could ever happen once the Gov't is firmly entrenched in everyone health care.

Posted by: BuckIV at August 17, 2012 01:15 PM (AtjNL)

54
YOU'RE WELCOME!

Posted by: Government at August 17, 2012 01:16 PM (AWmfW)

55

Didn't the Founding Fathers fight these same people once before? Perhaps it is time to reflect on how they won their fight against such tyranny and despotism. I hope their methods will not become necessary again but it's not looking too promising for the freedom loving people in our nation. If tyrants are determined to be tyrants unless stopped,then what choice do freedom loving people have of remaining free but to stop the tyrants? When those that are charged with upholding the law abuse their power and rape the people,then very few options are left open to prevent a Dictatorship from becoming a reality.

 

 "So, with or without congress, I'm going to keep at it" - -  President Obama.

Posted by: Old Dude at August 17, 2012 01:16 PM (yPBuZ)

56 Well , it's a tax.

Posted by: Justass Roberts at August 17, 2012 01:16 PM (AWmfW)

57 We're boned.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk, reminding everybody we are boned at August 17, 2012 01:17 PM (O1BLm)

58 This is not TGIF content.

Is this better?
http://binged.it/Mt5093

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 17, 2012 01:17 PM (8y9MW)

59 bonk bonk on the head

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 17, 2012 01:17 PM (l9GQj)

60 Sure, NOAA lied and was lawless in this case and others, but we can totally trust whatever environmental regulations it recommends, right? /s

Posted by: theCork at August 17, 2012 01:17 PM (hbAdE)

61

In order for shit like this to stop,  some things need to be done by congress (not the president) 

 

First - dismantle the public sector unions.

 

Second:  Make all  government civil employment to be "at will". 

 

Then we can start cleaning up the mess that's  the Fed. beaurucracy.

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2012 01:17 PM (Cn8U9)

62 You didn't steal that.  Oh,  wait,  you sure the fuck did.

Posted by: Dang at August 17, 2012 01:18 PM (Ky1+e)

63 can we get a Paul Ryan hot guy picture?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work, team dagny at August 17, 2012 01:18 PM (ojPZE)

64 I think these agencies are buying ammo to keep it out of the hands of the populace.

Posted by: nickless at August 17, 2012 01:18 PM (MMC8r)

65 Posted by: Guy who sometimes posts as Prufrock at August 17, 2012 05:14 PM (u18HN)

And the outright refusal of the NOAA to comply with the federal court's order ...?  You forgot to throw that bit in.  The law is collapsing far faster than any fisheries and will have a much worse effect.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 17, 2012 01:18 PM (X3lox)

66 Frigging scandis. OSLO (Reuters) - A Norwegian driver who swerved his car on a rural road to avoid running into a moose hit a bear instead, authorities said on Thursday. http://tinyurl.com/bshz4j8

Posted by: JackStraw at August 17, 2012 01:19 PM (TMB3S)

67 I wonder how much ammunition is currently being held by private gun owners?  I think I need to stock up.

Posted by: Not an Artist at August 17, 2012 01:19 PM (uRumV)

68 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 17, 2012 01:19 PM (Ts9tU)

69

>>OSLO (Reuters) - A Norwegian driver who swerved his car on a rural road to avoid running into a moose hit a bear instead, authorities said on Thursday.

 

Will the Homophobia never stop!?

Posted by: garrett at August 17, 2012 01:20 PM (17UDs)

70 In order for shit like this to stop, some things need to be done by congress (not the president)

First - dismantle the public sector unions.

Second: Make all government civil employment to be "at will".

Then we can start cleaning up the mess that's the Fed. beaurucracy.

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2012 05:17 PM (Cn8U9)



Not enough.  People have to be jailed.  In a pound-me-in-the-ass federal prison.  Without that, none of this shit will ever stop.

The same goes for what has to happen to Barky and most of his crew.  Their criminal actions cannot be allowed to slide.  Accountability must occur.  Harshly.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 17, 2012 01:21 PM (X3lox)

71 Hey, let's give them HEALTHCARE!

Posted by: nickless at August 17, 2012 01:21 PM (MMC8r)

72 50. You missed the point where the Federal Judge ruled for him. Everything NOAA did thereafter was abusive.

Posted by: Jean at August 17, 2012 01:21 PM (XN0LR)

73 Seriously, is there any agency that serves any useful purpose any more?

If I was his lawyer, I'd be suing NOAA for violating his civil rights.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 17, 2012 01:21 PM (imtbm)

74 OT:  Looks like the Brits have tossed off the spirit of Olympic international ass kissing and have surrounded the Ecuadorian (is that even a word? ) Embassy.  Sweet.  (See what I did there? )

Posted by: Dang at August 17, 2012 01:22 PM (Ky1+e)

75 72 jean *snicker*

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work, team dagny at August 17, 2012 01:22 PM (ojPZE)

76 63 can we get a Paul Ryan hot guy picture?



Holding a kitten?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2012 01:22 PM (UOM48)

77 asset forfeiture abuse won't end until government employees start forfeiting their own assets when they break the law, which they do 3 times a day.

Posted by: Team Longbow at August 17, 2012 01:23 PM (KHo8t)

78 73 Seriously, is there any agency that serves any useful purpose any more?

If I was his lawyer, I'd be suing NOAA for violating his civil rights.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 17, 2012 05:21 PM (imtbm)


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Defense Dept - that's about it.

Posted by: Not an Artist at August 17, 2012 01:23 PM (uRumV)

79 The thread below reeks of cat pee. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2012 01:23 PM (UOM48)

80 Remember the "ha, ha, ha we just crucify a company to make an example" guy?

The entire civil service is staffed top to bottom with those guys.

The States better start pushing back to help their citizens or the citizens will.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 17, 2012 01:23 PM (imtbm)

81 Holy fuck. This is why tar, feather, honey and anthills were created.

Posted by: physics geek at August 17, 2012 01:23 PM (llWHs)

82 can we get a Paul Ryan hot guy picture?



Holding a kitten?

Posted by: Jane D'oh


Between his butt cheeks?

Posted by: Bawdy Fwank at August 17, 2012 01:23 PM (Ky1+e)

83 The government working and non working dependency class that now starts every big and small election in every region 30-40% dem to 0 Rep.

The fraudulent, cultural crusading, flame fanning news and entertainment media.

The aggressive indoctrination fiefdoms of lower through higher ed.

This Cancer is in the brain, lungs, and the heart.  Many dems and their sympathizers don't even realize the monstor they have already created because they are so focused on us, the "greedy" host.  This hungry Godzilla monster will head for them the moment its done with us.

If I didn't believe in a supreme being I would say there is no hope.

Posted by: Shiggz Roketsturgeon at August 17, 2012 01:23 PM (RfvTE)

84 If this happened to me I would not be able to possibly get restitution like the Captain is likely to get because I would be in prison for burning my boat and assault on NOAA officials.

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2012 01:24 PM (zAcMD)

85 jane i know....gah

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work, team dagny at August 17, 2012 01:24 PM (ojPZE)

86 Seriously, is there any agency that serves any useful purpose any more?

If I was his lawyer, I'd be suing NOAA for violating his civil rights.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 17, 2012 05:21 PM (imtbm)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

And then you get the  DOJ involved.  No cookies for the proletariat, remember?

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2012 01:24 PM (Cn8U9)

87

And they ordered 500,000 rounds of ammo.

 

Hollowpoint, if I'm right. Just what you need for non-lethal target practice.

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 17, 2012 01:24 PM (2d71t)

88 Is this better? http://binged.it/Mt5093 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 17, 2012 05:17 PM (8y9MW) If I was a lesbian.... o_O

Posted by: need to start drinking after that one at August 17, 2012 01:25 PM (HOOye)

89 Hi, I'm from the NOAA.  Nice boat you have there.  Shame if anything were to happen to it.

Tar + feathers.  Some assembly required.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2012 01:25 PM (UOM48)

90 Three cheers for Captain Yacubian.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 17, 2012 01:25 PM (l9GQj)

91 And then you get the DOJ involved. No cookies for the proletariat, remember? Posted by: Soona

I'm thinking the Romney DOJ is going to have a huge case backlog.

Posted by: Dang at August 17, 2012 01:25 PM (Ky1+e)

92 88 Is this better? http://binged.it/Mt5093 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 17, 2012 05:17 PM (8y9MW) If I was a lesbian.... o_O No worries, I'll take your share of happiness with Ms. Upton.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 17, 2012 01:26 PM (GEICT)

93

39And they ordered 500,000 rounds of ammo.

Fuck them.

 

 

Agreed.  That being said, I'll bet they have none left by January 21, 2013.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 17, 2012 01:26 PM (D9CxV)

94 Holy shit.  Look at the cheerful headline at Drudge.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2012 01:26 PM (UOM48)

95 Posted by: need to start drinking after that one at August 17, 2012 05:25 PM (HOOye)

Well, it made my day better.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 17, 2012 01:26 PM (8y9MW)

96 The thread below reeks of cat pee.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

I blame the asparagus I had for lunch.

Posted by: The Cat at August 17, 2012 01:27 PM (Ky1+e)

97 National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association. I hate asset forfeiture as much as the next libertarian moron, but this story is fishy.

He was hailed by the Coast Guard, so the claim that NOAA's ability to locate his whereabouts accurately is specious. In 1998 I had good enough GPS to know where I was on the water and the Coast Guard damn sure did.

The scallop fishery is not his "family farm", it's the Commons, and the commons is a tragedy in nearly every fishery in the world.

Has NOAA become a "money grubbing whore"? (thank you, Departed), maybe. It's news to me. Of course Brown and Frank will mouthe reassuring words, you have to say nice things about commercial fishermen in MA. I always thought that NOAA played things down the middle, but asset forfeiture is a deadly temptation.

All of that notwithstanding, this fisherman's defense is "the police officer's radar gun is defective", which doesn't hold seawater in this case. He was surely fishing in a restricted area. Areas don't get restricted to please bureaucrats, bureaucrats get pressure from the Browns and Franks. Fisheries are collapsing everywhere from overharvest and exclusion zones are necessary for the next generations.

Posted by: Guy who sometimes posts as Prufrock at August 17, 2012 05:14 PM (u18HN)

 

You don't know very much do you ?

 

 

Posted by: The Jackhole at August 17, 2012 01:27 PM (nTgAI)

98 Well, it made my day better. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 17, 2012 05:26 PM (8y9MW) ========= That's okay, hehe. My husband's bod just got home. Cheers all!

Posted by: need to start drinking after that one at August 17, 2012 01:27 PM (HOOye)

99

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 17, 2012 05:21 PM (X3lox)

 

The key is getting rid of TWO things...

 

1.  The idea of Sovereign Immunity.  It flies in the face of the ideal that the Government belongs to the People... as the Government MUST be held accountable for its own laws.

 

2.  The Idea that a public servent cannot be held PERSONALY responsible for their actions... if the Judge could have slapped the Person in charge of this case in Jail for Contempt?  They might have paid attention to his ruling... all the Judge could do was FINE the Government... which we the taxpayer then pays...

Posted by: Romeo13, with a new improoved Red White and Blue Tinfoil Hat at August 17, 2012 01:27 PM (lZBBB)

100 "73 Seriously, is there any agency that serves any useful purpose any more?
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 17, 2012 05:21 PM (imtbm)"   Honestly, I think the FDA does more good than harm.  Yeah they could be better but I woudn't propose doing away with it.

Posted by: twit of the year at August 17, 2012 01:28 PM (5TXNQ)

101

 

NOAA was formed as a Weather Service.

It's job was to study the weather, and warn people about storms.

 

It should never have been given the power to police....anything.

 

And now, the agency is so badly infested with leftist leaches.....that it has become a willing co-conspirator in the AGW hoax.

As well as being a tyrannical predator upon the very people it is supposed to be helping.

Posted by: wheatie at August 17, 2012 01:28 PM (mtRB0)

102 sebilius says ryans healthcare proposal is a serious plan

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work, team dagny at August 17, 2012 01:28 PM (ojPZE)

103 Hey, Prufrock! Exactly where in that chain of assumptions do you get "the agency gets to ignore the courts?" Because I seem to have missed the connecting flight there.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 17, 2012 01:29 PM (bxiXv)

104

I hate asset forfeiture as much as the next libertarian moron, but this story is fishy.

Yes. Yes, it is. Your story is very fishy.

Fisheries are collapsing everywhere from overharvest and exclusion zones are necessary for the next generations.

Wait, didn't you just state, or at least imply that you are a libertarian? Now you are stating that we need the government's supervision.

If you want to bat from both sides of the plate, go ahead. But only one side per pitch.

Posted by: fluffy at August 17, 2012 01:29 PM (O6q63)

105 fluffy his definition of libertarian isn't the traditional definition

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work, team dagny at August 17, 2012 01:31 PM (ojPZE)

106

The increase in shark attacks is caused by global warming.

 

Posted by: Things I learned This Shark Week at August 17, 2012 01:31 PM (17UDs)

107 Fish, and plankton. And sea greens, and protein from the sea. It's all here, ready. Fresh as harvest day.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 17, 2012 01:31 PM (l9GQj)

108 A Norwegian driver who swerved his car on a rural road to avoid running into a moose.

A møøse once bit my sister..

Posted by: Huusker at August 17, 2012 01:34 PM (PaKLC)

109 This is depressing!  Not a Friday post.


I want my money back......

Posted by: Tami at August 17, 2012 01:34 PM (X6akg)

110 Holy shit. Look at the cheerful headline at Drudge.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2012 05:26 PM (UOM4

 

 

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Haven't they been saying the same thing since the 70's?  Soon.  Soon.  Like in what, dog years?

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2012 01:34 PM (Cn8U9)

111 100 twit of the year My objection to the FDA is their forbidding me from buying things at my own risk. Years ago, I bought raw milk from an Amish farm to make my own yogurt, and I also bought the butter the wife made (it was amazing). One day she regretfully told me that she was no longer allowed to see me dairy products. I want a food label to be accurate, but I don't want the government to tell me that I can't buy something.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at August 17, 2012 01:34 PM (Dm6/d)

112 Ms Upton not really my flavor, I don't care for the "magazine" look/behavior.  Give me a 7-8 that I might bump into somewhere randomly but maker her just a little wild and now you are talking my flavor.  You can keep your super models.

Posted by: Shiggz Roketsturgeon at August 17, 2012 01:34 PM (RfvTE)

113 Hey Tom Morello, Mr. Rage Against the Machine?


THIS IS THE MACHINE!


You dumb fuck.

Posted by: Billy Quizboy at August 17, 2012 01:35 PM (FEzSe)

114 The only way this stops is a top to bottom purge of the entire federal government.

The institutional infestation runs deep, it will take YEARS to undue the damage.

Posted by: General Woundwort at August 17, 2012 01:35 PM (06lNq)

115

Why is it Prufrock and Ted Danson never post in the same thread?

Posted by: garrett at August 17, 2012 01:36 PM (17UDs)

116 Local and State LE does this too.

Posted by: steevy at August 17, 2012 01:36 PM (Ts9tU)

117 This same agency also keeps climate records, and computer-models the climate. There is, as we have seen repeatedly, a huge built-in conflict of interest in how those things are conducted as well.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at August 17, 2012 01:36 PM (w41GQ)

118 Ms Upton not really my flavor,...  You can keep your super models.

Posted by: Shiggz Roketsturgeon at August 17, 2012 05:34 PM (RfvTE)



Deal

Posted by: Billy Quizboy at August 17, 2012 01:37 PM (FEzSe)

119 Best way to balance the federal budget, cut bureaucrats' jobs. Many of these people are nothing but pigs with their snouts in the public trough. And these reward junkets that these bureaucrats get at the taxpayer expense are exactly what is wrong with the attitude bureaucrats have toward taxpayer money. Giving them party boat cruises and trips, a la, GAO, in order to keep up their morale is a waste of money. They get paycheck and benefits to do their jobs. If, they aren't willing to do an exemplary job based on that, fire their asses and hire someone with some ambition.

Posted by: nerdygirl at August 17, 2012 01:37 PM (V/Aej)

120 sebilius says ryans healthcare proposal is a serious plan

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work, team dagny at August 17, 2012 05:28 PM (ojPZE)

 

 

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An election tactic.  It's like us begging the SCOAMT to keep the intelligent and vital Joe Biden on the ticket.

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2012 01:37 PM (Cn8U9)

121 @Romeo "1. The idea of Sovereign Immunity. It flies in the face of the ideal that the Government belongs to the People... as the Government MUST be held accountable for its own laws.

2. The Idea that a public servent cannot be held PERSONALY responsible for their actions... if the Judge could have slapped the Person in charge of this case in Jail for Contempt? They might have paid attention to his ruling... all the Judge could do was FINE the Government... which we the taxpayer then pays... Posted by: Romeo13,"


I like the way you think

Posted by: Shiggz Roketsturgeon at August 17, 2012 01:37 PM (RfvTE)

122

There is no incentive for government employees to restrain themselves. If they get away with pushing their authority beyond its actual limits, yay for them - they're more powerful. If they get slapped down then they pay restitution - with taxpayer dollars. They can't lose unless they go so far as to do something they could be prosecuted for (I don;t understand why the federal judge in this case didn't hold NOAA employees in contempt for ignoring his ruling).

I would propose altering the law, making government employees personally liable in the event that it is ruled that they acted beyond the authority of their office. Then they would have to pay a boatload for insurance and worry about being sued all the time, just like the rest of us in the real world.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 17, 2012 01:37 PM (nZvGM)

123

Those people at the NOAA who were involved in this theft should be....

fill in the blanks yourself.  

 

Posted by: Jack at August 17, 2012 01:37 PM (wUFaM)

124 What really pisses me off about this story is the NOAA's use of the Coast Guard to help them.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2012 01:38 PM (UOM48)

125 Hope Solo is on ESPN for those so inclined

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 17, 2012 01:38 PM (GEICT)

126 I would propose altering the law, making government employees personally liable in the event that it is ruled that they acted beyond the authority of their office. Then they would have to pay a boatload for insurance and worry about being sued all the time, just like the rest of us in the real world. Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 17, 2012 05:37 PM (nZvGM) And maybe, just maybe, they wouldn't be such raging power-mad assholes.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 17, 2012 01:38 PM (bxiXv)

127

Ms Upton not really my flavor,...

 

So you are saying you're gay?

Posted by: garrett at August 17, 2012 01:39 PM (17UDs)

128

 

What was that thing that Barky said about a "Government police force".....one that was as well funded as the military?

It was back in 2008, during the campaign.

 

That has come back to haunt me, every time I learn of things like these various Govt Agencies stocking up on ammo.

 

Whether it is being done to 'dry up' the ammunition supply available to the private sector....

Or, being done as some sort of ...'readiness'...for some anticipated event, it is disturbing.

And it is something that needs a lot of sunshine directed on it.

Posted by: wheatie at August 17, 2012 01:40 PM (mtRB0)

129 Oh, and big surprise, gubmint bums, including the commie in chief, hate businessmen.

Posted by: nerdygirl at August 17, 2012 01:40 PM (V/Aej)

130 I'm not so lolz right now at all.

Posted by: The Cat at August 17, 2012 01:41 PM (Ky1+e)

131 Heh.  Cat piss girl is still going to town on the thread below. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2012 01:42 PM (UOM48)

132 Should I go to law school? Seems like defense and prosecution could be this nation's growth area for the next four years.

Posted by: t-bird at August 17, 2012 01:42 PM (FcR7P)

133 Notice how Bob Beckel aka Too Much Beef aka Fat Fuck aka SEAL Hater is being overly nice today on The Five? The Wobbling Walrus knows his hours are numbered at FNC.

Posted by: Craig Poe at August 17, 2012 01:42 PM (BVkEs)

134 "Fisheries are collapsing everywhere from overharvest"
According to the NOAA, that's not actually true. You know, the guys who would ordinarily agree with this nonsense.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2012 01:42 PM (r4wIV)

135 14: Ironically NOAA in SC occupies the site of the former Fort Johnson, the location where the first shots were fired onto Sumter. Maybe we should go to Sumter and return the favor

Posted by: ketos at August 17, 2012 01:43 PM (VK4bK)

136 Is that the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration? That jumped out at me because I read about them earlier today, that they were stockpiling .357 magnum hollowpoint ammo (as well as the Social Security Administration). tinyurl.com/d7yjlnl I remember that a while ago the Department of Education was buying shotguns.) tinyurl.com/9nloc6a

Posted by: entropy at August 17, 2012 01:43 PM (Ci0JG)

137 Ace perhaps it is time for the total number of US troops Bark has managed to get killed in Iraq and Afghanistan get highlighted by us.

Tapper et al want to ride his jock maybe we need a simple post with the total.

Hell just post the number, and then "silence please"....

maybe if enough of the right blogosphere does it it will become a meme...?

He's gonna use our war dead and OBL as a prop, maybe we should remind the Code Pinkos who they are in bed with....

and remind our military families and survivors of our fallen we are with them.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2012 01:44 PM (LRFds)

138 Every single (D) in government service needs to be fired.  And perhaps jailed.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 17, 2012 01:45 PM (DuH+r)

139 128 wheatie,

Federales don't just sing it, come on and bring it.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2012 01:45 PM (LRFds)

140 I want a new AOS rule.  Cobloggers must end every Friday with a Paul Ryan pic.  Make it so.


Can I get a second?

Posted by: Tami at August 17, 2012 01:46 PM (X6akg)

141  Notice how Bob Beckel aka Too Much Beef aka Fat Fuck aka SEAL Hater is being overly nice today on The Five? The Wobbling Walrus knows his hours are numbered at FNC.

Posted by: Craig Poe at August 17, 2012 05:42 PM (BVkEs)

 

 

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I'm not so sure I would like Beckel to go.  'Cause you know who they'd replace him with.

 

 

 

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2012 01:46 PM (Cn8U9)

142 128

What was that thing that Barky said about a "Government police force".....one that was as well funded as the military?
It was back in 2008, during the campaign.

That has come back to haunt me, every time I learn of things like these various Govt Agencies stocking up on ammo.

Whether it is being done to 'dry up' the ammunition supply available to the private sector....
Or, being done as some sort of ...'readiness'...for some anticipated event, it is disturbing.
And it is something that needs a lot of sunshine directed on it.

Posted by: wheatie at August 17, 2012 05:40 PM (mtRB0)


The ammo is being funneled to the New Black Panther Party, the Crypts, the Bloods, and any other group hostile to law and order. Harry Reid told me so.

Posted by: Craig Poe at August 17, 2012 01:47 PM (BVkEs)

143 138 BC,

well why not, seriously?

I mean the whole point of a permanent set of servants was to "stamp out corruption" once the dems subverted them....

we just have a permanent leech donk machine....

fuck 'em we need to prosecute the worst and scare the middle to quit and put the fear of God in the rest that stay.

They are allowed to be thieves, but if they want to use religious green fervor to ruin us then they need to go be paid clergy by the ECOs now us.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2012 01:48 PM (LRFds)

144

 'Cause you know who they'd replace him with.

 

I'm tanned, rested and have all the talking points well rehearsed.

Posted by: Juan Williams at August 17, 2012 01:48 PM (17UDs)

145 http://1.usa.gov/PAuSUh Yes, the Social Security Administration asking for 174,000 rounds of hollowpoint. The real deal. Page 4 of SSA-RFQ-12-1851. I'm sure it's just another routine office supply.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Harry Reid is a pederast and a strangler at August 17, 2012 01:48 PM (AZGON)

146 He's gonna use our war dead and OBL as a prop, maybe we should remind the Code Pinkos who they are in bed with.... The only problem with that is the right still supports Obama's (and George Bush's, and Mitt Romney's) foreign policy. They don't want out of Afghanistan they want back in Iraq.

Posted by: entropy at August 17, 2012 01:48 PM (Ci0JG)

147 Screw fox news,  outside of the occasional red eye I have watched very little of them over the last few years. 

As I rant here often, we need a multiple non-leftist channels.  Something of a different tone and flavor from Fox.  The left has dozens of flavors to choose from, From the The View-Ellen-PBS-MSNBC-CNN same core info and views just different flavors attracting and influencing different personality types.

Liberty and cultural values are an information war, and we need to stop surrendering.

Posted by: Shiggz Roketsturgeon at August 17, 2012 01:49 PM (RfvTE)

148 How much power does the media still wield?  3 words. Joe Biden

Posted by: Shiggz Roketsturgeon at August 17, 2012 01:50 PM (RfvTE)

149 'Cause you know who they'd replace him with.

I'm tanned, rested and have all the talking points well rehearsed.

Posted by: Juan Williams at August 17, 2012 05:48 PM (17UDs)

 

 

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Bingo!  You get a year's free subscription to AoSHQ.

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2012 01:51 PM (Cn8U9)

150 I have a business in which I have worked with a few of the state parks in the state I live in (a red one).  While I am sure the springtime Friday-Sunday camping may make a park "busy", for the most part, when you go to one of these parks during the week, you'll find 5-10 people doing absolutely nothing but drawing breath.

Then, almost without fail, the park supervisors are complete cocksuckers who go out of their way to 1) be cocksuckers 2) actively avoid anything that may make them lift a finger. 

They wonder why their funding is down... Gee, I dunno... I mean, they are so freakin' inspiring and all.  Being an outdoorsy-type, I greatly appreciate  the state parks (their natural beauty), but the leaches who work there are TOTALLY fucking it up!!!   The "leaders" at the headquarters are just as bad.  Normally, I am all love and peace (seriously!), but I hate hate HATE these wastes of humanity, and I know it is just another example of how govt-run agencies are beyond pathetic. 

Posted by: rarely comments at August 17, 2012 01:53 PM (7ui01)

151 Liberty and cultural values are an information war, and we need to stop surrendering.

Posted by: Shiggz Roketsturgeon at August 17, 2012 05:49 PM (RfvTE)

 

 

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I think the innerwebs and conservative talk radio has countered much of the leftist message.  Remember 2010.

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2012 01:53 PM (Cn8U9)

152 Well isn't this nice.  Obama's thugs speak out against the SEALs' video about the administration leaking info and endangering lives (from Blackfive):

Taking a direct shot at the leaders of OPSEC, an Obama campaign official lambasted the group's accusations about national security leaks this morning. Â“No one in this group is in a position to speak with any authority on these issues and on what impact these leaks might have," said the official, speaking on background, "and itÂ’s clear theyÂ’ve resorted to making things up for purely political reasons.”


What a cowardly bunch of fuckwits in this administration.  From the top down.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2012 01:54 PM (UOM48)

153 As soon as they handed. The goat fucker a weapon. KABUL, Afghanistan—A newly recruited Afghan village policeman opened fire on his American allies on Friday, killing two U.S. service members minutes after they handed him his official weapon in an inauguration ceremony. It was the latest in a disturbing string of attacks by Afghan security forces on the international troops training them. Later Friday, an Afghan soldier turned his gun on foreign troops in another part of the country and wounded two of them, a spokesman for the NATO coalition said. The attacks in the country's far west and south brought to seven the number of times that a member of the Afghan security forces—or someone wearing their uniform—has opened fire on international forces in the past two weeks. Such assaults by allies, virtually unheard of just a few years ago, have recently escalated, killing at least 36 foreign troops so far this year. They also raise questions about the strategy to train Afghan national police and soldiers to take over security and fight insurgents after most foreign troops leave the country by the end of 2014. The NATO-led coalition has said such attacks are anomalies stemming from personal disputes, but the supreme leader of the Taliban boasted on Thursday night that the insurgents are infiltrating the quickly expanding Afghan forces.

Posted by: steevy at August 17, 2012 01:54 PM (Ts9tU)

154

Even worse than Hjuan Williams.....they might replace Beckel with Skeletor.

 

Posted by: wheatie at August 17, 2012 01:54 PM (mtRB0)

155 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2012 05:54 PM

The hell?  No one in this group OF FORMER NAVY SEALS AND OTHER MILITARY SPECIAL FORCES "is in a position to speak with any authority on these issues...?"  Excuse me?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 17, 2012 01:55 PM (8y9MW)

156 My dad's electroplating business was destroyed by EPA thugs threatening multi-million dollar fines and cleanup bills.  It was subsequently shown there was no contamination to speak of, but the business and property had been lost at that point so it didn't matter.  It was just gone.

This guy is lucky he came away with anything at all.  Thousands of other people didn't and had their lives and life savings completely destroyed by these government thugs.

All these government agencies need a major housecleaning, and a LOT of Federal employees need to spend the rest of their lives in Federal prison.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 17, 2012 01:56 PM (QgK5d)

157 156 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2012 05:54 PM What..In..The...FUCK?!?!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 17, 2012 01:57 PM (GEICT)

158 All these government agencies need a major housecleaningburning

FIFY

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 17, 2012 01:57 PM (8y9MW)

159

and a LOT of Federal employees need to spend the rest of their lives in Federal Private prison.

 

Wouldn't want them getting any special treatment.

Posted by: garrett at August 17, 2012 01:57 PM (17UDs)

160 I think that piece on Barry's thugs going after the SEALs deserves its own thread.  My rage meter is pegged to eleventy billion.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2012 01:59 PM (UOM48)

161 156 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2012 05:54 PM
What..In..The...FUCK?!?!

It easy to explain actually. You see what you need to understand is SHUT UP!!!!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular With Full Stomping Power! at August 17, 2012 01:59 PM (0q2P7)

162 perhaps someone should get Romney a copy of "Yes, Minister" and "Yes, Prime Minister" but I suspect he already learned a lot about that from being Gov of Mass.

Or maybe he needs to have a staff of people to make sure he knows about these things so he can issue Executive Orders, like Barky does (at which point the Dems can affirm that they suddenly realized that EOs are not a good thing.)

Posted by: mallfly at August 17, 2012 01:59 PM (bJm7W)

163 >>>I think that piece on Barry's thugs going after the SEALs deserves its own thread. My rage meter is pegged to eleventy billion.

Careful, you'll bend the needle. Then it will never read right.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular With Full Stomping Power! at August 17, 2012 02:00 PM (0q2P7)

164

153....What a cowardly bunch of fuckwits in this administration. From the top down.

 

I think they are intentionally trying to piss us off, Jane.

 

Barky started out as an...Agitator.

It's his only talent.

He worked for ACORN, training others on how to whip up people's emotions.

He was never an "organizer"...like they try to say.

Barky was an Agitator.

And he still is.

Posted by: wheatie at August 17, 2012 02:00 PM (mtRB0)

165 Posted by: garrett at August 17, 2012 05:57 PM (17UDs)

Heh.  Touche!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 17, 2012 02:00 PM (X3lox)

166

Beg your pardons if this has already been addressed, but WTF is an "environmental police officer"?

Massachusetts version of Fish & Game warden, I believe.

Posted by: fluffy at August 17, 2012 02:01 PM (O6q63)

167 Not enough. People have to be jailed. In a pound-me-in-the-ass federal prison.

I don't think this means what you think it means.  Federal Prisons are nothing more than country clubs.  Other than the shame, most would rather go to a Federal Prison.

Posted by: Full Pint at August 17, 2012 02:03 PM (7g1yh)

168 Massachusetts version of Fish Game warden, I believe. And more, but yes, you're generally correct.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Former Masshole at August 17, 2012 02:03 PM (Xb/hA)

169 "Navy SEAL responds after Media Matters staffer says Obama-critical SEALs ‘don’t have guts’" http://tinyurl.com/9cv8v3b

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 17, 2012 02:04 PM (l9GQj)

170 The government siezure mindset started with the DEA siezures of property and if I remember correctly everyone on both sides applauded the legislation, and most still do. People need to get it out of their mind that what someone else earned isn't yours to take.

Posted by: Hal Burton at August 17, 2012 02:05 PM (kzFo5)

171 >>>environmental police officer

If you need to ask
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml54UuAoLSo

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular With Full Stomping Power! at August 17, 2012 02:05 PM (0q2P7)

172 I think they are intentionally trying to piss us off, Jane.

Barky started out as an...Agitator.
It's his only talent.
He worked for ACORN, training others on how to whip up people's emotions.
He was never an "organizer"...like they try to say.
Barky was an Agitator.
And he still is.

Posted by: wheatie at August 17, 2012 06:00 PM (mtRB0)

 

 

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And as I've said before, the dems will light any fuse they think will create chaos.  They need chaos.  It's the  only  re-election strategy they'll have in two months.

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2012 02:06 PM (Cn8U9)

173 Other than the shame, most would rather go to a Federal Prison.

Posted by: Full Pint at August 17, 2012 06:03 PM (7g1yh)



I didn't write that.  Blame Office Space.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 17, 2012 02:06 PM (X3lox)

174 154 - what a grotesque story.  There is not a single trustworthy Muslim on the whole planet.  Kill 'em all.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 17, 2012 02:09 PM (DuH+r)

175 146 Entropy,

No I don't think we do.  I know I don't not anymore.  The US is going to reduce the forces a 1/3d and still go.  At what point do we just hold a lottery and send guys over there to be ritually killed?

Everybody is looking for a free lunch with the military.  Barack has us over there doing nothing useful for the blood we're shedding.  That is not partisan hyperbole that is fact.

I am betting the right has been taught by the media and Barack that we could lose whole companies and they'd palace guard his ass.

Leave, leave a note in Pashtun and Farsi-next time it is just FAE and napalm....

Barack is never held to account for anything.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2012 02:11 PM (LRFds)

176 I don't think this means what you think it means. Federal Prisons are nothing more than country clubs. Other than the shame, most would rather go to a Federal Prison.

Posted by: Full Pint at August 17, 2012 06:03 PM (7g1yh)

 

 

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I beg to differ with you.  Please come to OK and admire our El Reno Fed Penitentary.   It's OK's version of incarceration.

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2012 02:12 PM (Cn8U9)

177 WTF is an "environmental police officer"? Someone who has legal authority to violate your civil rights in the name of environmental justice.

Posted by: entropy at August 17, 2012 02:15 PM (Ci0JG)

178 I think that piece on Barry's thugs going after the SEALs deserves its own thread. My rage meter is pegged to eleventy billion.

Barky loves fucking with the SEALs for political purposes.  He thinks it makes him look tough.  He fucked them over in the Somali pirate fiasco, not allowing them to do jack shit until the commander on the ground finally took things into his own hands and ended the ordeal (with nothing but obstacles coming from the White House and a court martial if anything had gone wrong).  Barky kept putting off the OBL kill and tried to make sure that any problems would be borne by the SEALs on the ground.  Barky let that idiotic helicopter transport of those same SEALs take place weeks after, the crash of which then caused about half the number of SEAL fatalities through the whole Viet Nam war.  And now the Dog-Eater and his traitorous cronies are going after the SEALs because in order to defend the White House's clearly treasonous acts of leaking national security information in order to gain some political edge (so that Barky can wreak more damage on America).  ... and then there were the Gitmo interrogators whose pictures and information were released to terrorist attorneys and the press ... and on and on.

Nothing new.  This is the cowardly, America-hating, treasonous administration that it always was using the same projection that it always has.  It won't stop until some of them are truly held to account.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 17, 2012 02:16 PM (X3lox)

179 100 "73 Seriously, is there any agency that serves any useful purpose any more?Posted by: RoyalOil at August 17, 2012 05:21 PM (imtbm)"

Honestly, I think the FDA does more good than harm. Yeah they could be better but I woudn't propose doing away with it.

Posted by: twit of the year at August 17, 2012 05:28 PM (5TXNQ)


A few years ago, in northern Ohio FDA were hitting farm coops for not letting their undercovers in and not selling them milk; and using obscure Amish religious rules to force them to give undercovers milk so they could raid the entire commune with SWAT and seize their cattle and grain supplies.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at August 17, 2012 02:22 PM (G99e4)

180 The reason government employees never pay any court judgements is not because of purposeful law.  It is because of lawyer-legislators mandating joint and several liability laws which make the deepest pockets pay for all of the judgment.

Posted by: Vic at August 17, 2012 02:23 PM (YdQQY)

181 A few years ago, in northern Ohio FDA were hitting farm coops for not letting their undercovers in and not selling them milk; and using obscure Amish religious rules to force them to give undercovers milk so they could raid the entire commune with SWAT and seize their cattle and grain supplies. For nearly a hundred years now, the FDA has been banning chemicals, and any things that have chemicals in them (which could be anything). For instance, they banned root beer. You think you've had rootbeer? No. You've had wintergreen beer. They don't make old fashioned american rootbeer anymore, because a health study found in the 60's that intravenously injecting twice their bodyweight in rootbeer's worth of safrole straight into their veins, every day for a couple of months until they died, killed them. Causes liver cancer you see, carcinogenic. Even though, oddly, there is research to show that rats don't even process the compound the same way humans do.

Posted by: entropy at August 17, 2012 02:39 PM (Ci0JG)

182 Well, if the NOAA doesn't get their hands on as much money as possible, how are they going to prove that mermaids exist?

Posted by: ChrisValentine at August 17, 2012 04:38 PM (ht3c8)

183 I cant say whats right or wrong, but some mercs I know, before letting them boats go at half price, would have sailed them boats up the Potomac loaded up with Russian black market nukes and blown the O and all his cronies right back up to Allah and them 70 toothless, pig, virgins. Can ya all feel me? In my defense, I have had a bit to drink.

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at August 18, 2012 05:49 AM (5oyTf)

184 For those of you who have read Unintended Consequences, this will make sense. It is TIME TO FEED SOME PIGS.

Posted by: TimInVirginia at August 18, 2012 06:15 AM (zSZnT)

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