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November 30, 2012

November 30, 1942: The Battle of Tassafaronga
— Dave in Texas

Part of the desperate struggle in the Solomon Straits, and the last major surface vessel fight over Guadalcanal.

Five American cruisers and four destroyers intercepted a Japanese force of eight destroyers attempting to deliver supplies to Guadalcanal for the Japanese 17th Army. The fighting on Guadalcanal, which began in August of '42 had reached a critical stage for the Japanese, who were using submarines to deliver supplies. But the submarine forces could only deliver enough food and ammunition for a day's worth of fighting.

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The battle damaged USS New Orleans

A strategic victory, but a very costly tactical defeat. The American forces intercepted a Japanese communication, which revealed the plan to drop heavier supplies to the beleaguered 17th Army. The US Navy engaged with superior forces, but the Japanese advantage in night surface fighting, and their more effective "Long Lance" torpedo (SWIDT) turned the fight into a significant tactical loss for the Navy. As the Japanese struggled to disengage, they launched over 40 torpedoes at the American ships.

At 2327, however, the Japanese struck the first of a series of crippling torpedo blows. Within one minute both the Minneapolis and the New Orleans had their bows blown off. Eleven minutes later, at 2339, the Pensacola was hit, and the resulting fire was not extinguished for 4 hours. Two torpedoes struck the Northampton at 2348, causing her to sink within the same space of time. In 20 minutes the fortunes of war shifted disastrously.

The results were horrific. Of the five cruisers that engaged, Northampton was lost. New Orleans, Pensacola and Minneapolis were heavily damaged. New Orleans, was hit in a forward magazine which completely destroyed her bow before the second gun turret. The Japanese lost one destroyer. It was a strategic victory for the Americans, the Japanese could not resupply. And yet one of the worst defeats for the Navy, leaving them only with four operational heavy cruisers and nine light cruisers in the Pacific.

One of those heavy cruisers left to the fight was the USS Indianapolis. A Portland class cruiser which was preceded by the Northampton class, and succeeded by the New Orleans class heavy cruisers of WWII.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at 03:54 PM | Comments (425)
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1 15 years from now, after Tyrant O-ama passes on, young son says to father:

Son: Dad what is a navy? Did the U.S. every have one?

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 30, 2012 04:02 PM (lGu1O)

Gotta admit, Dave. Those guys on the sharp end during WWII had huge balls...or they were the crazy type of brave and courageous...or both. Almost everywhere, the fight was to the knife, and often, very up close and very personal.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 30, 2012 04:03 PM (WwR1j)

3 DiT, shouldn't you be working on getting the Crap Tree up and running?

(that was a hilarious write up)

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 30, 2012 04:04 PM (ccXZP)

4 And still, they had no idea of the effectiveness of the Type 93 Long Lance.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:05 PM (7U6v/)

5 Son: Dad what is a navy? Did the U.S. every have one?

No, that was back in the days of horses and bayonets.

Posted by: Some Obamacultist who unfortunately bred after the collapse at November 30, 2012 04:06 PM (hO9ad)

6 Long Lance torp. Effective range 22,000m (at 48Â–50 knots) Maximum range 40,400m (at 34Â–36 knots) Warhead weight 490 kg The US torpedo had a warhead about half the power. Speed about the slow speed of the Long lance, range less than the high speed range of the LL. And a dud rate of about 50%. US torpedoes sucked until late 1943.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 30, 2012 04:06 PM (IH2b5)

7 What happened to the anti-LiB thread?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 04:06 PM (QupBk)

8 November 30, 1942: The Battle of Tassafaronga; How I Peed Into A Travel Canteen While Driving A Destroyer

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 30, 2012 04:07 PM (mukPq)

9 2 Gotta admit, Dave. Those guys on the sharp end during WWII had huge balls...or they were the crazy type of brave and courageous...or both. Almost everywhere, the fight was to the knife, and often, very up close and very personal. Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 30, 2012 08:03 PM (WwR1j) Best description I've read: Barroom knife fight with the lights out. (paraphrasing)

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:07 PM (7U6v/)

10 and to think, those brave guys died so that the Free Shit Army could get their gubmint-subsidized condoms

gah

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:07 PM (d/5qf)

11 Yup, huge torpedo problem for us in WW2.

magnetic detonator didn't work right either

Posted by: kinlaw at November 30, 2012 04:08 PM (uLTng)

12 Destroyers always seem to punch above their weight. Ours, and theirs.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 04:08 PM (QupBk)

13 I hate to be a snitch Dave , but there were people talking smack about you in the thread below .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2012 04:09 PM (M2+F0)

14 I have nothing to add. I just wanted to post in a thread today before it died.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 30, 2012 04:10 PM (5J54Q)

15 wha? And I'm such a peach. *pouts*

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 30, 2012 04:10 PM (pUqSw)

16 Fuck . I had "dandy "for a hundred .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2012 04:12 PM (M2+F0)

17 10 and to think, those brave guys died so that the Free Shit Army could get their gubmint-subsidized condoms

gah

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 08:07 PM (d/5qf)

Think Revolutionary, Civil, WWI or II would have been fought if they had a crystal ball that that foresaw the U.S in 2012?

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 30, 2012 04:12 PM (lGu1O)

18 <I hate to be a snitch Dave , but there were people talking smack about you in the thread below .>

F**k 'em Dave, its the daywalkers.

Posted by: kinlaw at November 30, 2012 04:12 PM (uLTng)

19 IT'S A TRAP!!!!

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at November 30, 2012 04:12 PM (NIZHJ)

20 So we go from the virtues of Mickey's widemouth (good girth, screw top) to a truly sobering (if such is possible, 4 drinks into the eve) moment. Behold, all ye who dare enter, I give you AOSHQ.

Posted by: jakeman at November 30, 2012 04:12 PM (96M6e)

21 11 Our torpedoes did too work -- we put a lot of dents in those Japanese destroyers which couldn't be buffed out with steel wool.

Scratched their paint jobs, too.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 30, 2012 04:12 PM (ccXZP)

22 Tassafronga is totally a made up name. And it's spelled "Guada Canal".

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 04:14 PM (I2LwF)

23 Tassafaronga? Sounds like the scientific name for a Joliet Jerry Can.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2012 04:14 PM (TIIx5)

24 Sounds like a Star Trek cross species.

Posted by: Butters at November 30, 2012 04:15 PM (NIZHJ)

25 Sounds like the scientific name for a Joliet Jerry Can. But can you pee in it while driving a Jeep?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 30, 2012 04:15 PM (mukPq)

26 OK , they weren't "people " , they were mostly me .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2012 04:16 PM (M2+F0)

27
#1

I have kids now that refuse to believe the U.S. landed men on the moon. Now we don't even have a manned space program. I explain to them that this used to be a great country that did great things. Sadly, those days are behind us, and while they last, I advise them to enjoy the bread and circuses.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 30, 2012 04:16 PM (L7hol)

28 off topic: was there a new gun thread this week that I missed?

Posted by: kalel666 at November 30, 2012 04:16 PM (DgQHz)

29 off topic: was there a new gun thread this week that I missed?

Posted by: kalel666 at November 30, 2012 08:16 PM (DgQHz)

I think the official gun thread is scheduled for tomorrow. Then again, at the HQ, every thread ends up being a gun thread......and an alcohol thread, and a deviant sexual activities thread.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2012 04:18 PM (TIIx5)

30 @28 . Please . There are rules around here . Luckily I'm not weilding the banhammer tonite . Take this as your first warning .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2012 04:18 PM (M2+F0)

31 > 11 magnetic detonator didn't work right either Posted by: kinlaw The US, Brits and Germans independently developed top secret magnetic detonators before WW2. None of them worked. The difference is that the Brits and Germans quickly switched back to contact detonators - we kept using them and blamed the sub captains instead.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 30, 2012 04:19 PM (IH2b5)

32 2055: Grizzled veterans of the Battle of Starbucks gathered today in Moron Memorial Park and greeted each other with their signature cry, "Pics or it didn't happen!"

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 04:19 PM (57VGh)

33 28 off topic: was there a new gun thread this week that I missed? Posted by: kalel666 at November 30, 2012 08:16 PM (DgQHz) I don't remember, but this is a gun cruiser thread.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:20 PM (7U6v/)

34 My granddad graduated the USNA with Chester Nimitz. Holy fuck shit, for the second time in my life I am ashamed of my country.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 04:21 PM (V70Uh)

35 I have kids now that refuse to believe the U.S. landed men on the moon. *sigh of despair*

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:22 PM (7U6v/)

36 Battle of Starbucks ............ the horror ...... the horror

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2012 04:22 PM (M2+F0)

37 And when the next Pearl Harbor comes, what will we do then? We are already so leveraged to the hilt, we can't afford another war.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:23 PM (d/5qf)

38 The story about the the battle of San Bernardino Straits was way better.

Posted by: Butters at November 30, 2012 04:23 PM (NIZHJ)

39 My dad fought there. He was never the same.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 04:23 PM (u25eL)

40 Nukes are still cheap.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 04:23 PM (QupBk)

41 40 Nukes are still cheap.

We won't use nukes. We never will again.

The next nuke used will be used against us, not by us.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:24 PM (d/5qf)

42 I have kids now that refuse to believe the U.S. landed men on the moon. *sigh of despair* Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 08:22 PM (7U6v/) In twenty years privately owned companies will take people on tours of the Lunar landing sites of the Apollo era. Don't make the mistake of measuring the greatness of the USA by looking at what the Federal Government accomplished.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 04:24 PM (57VGh)

43 God has no grandchildren

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 04:25 PM (V70Uh)

44 34 My granddad graduated the USNA with Chester Nimitz. Holy fuck shit, for the second time in my life I am ashamed of my country. Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 08:21 PM (V70Uh) And we shall probably not see their like again.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:25 PM (7U6v/)

45 >> And it's spelled "Guada Canal". Not by me, or Richard Tregaskis. Seriously, are you being serious? Do you also get into that whole Romanization argument over Chinese?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 30, 2012 04:25 PM (pUqSw)

This was told in the excellent book

"Neptune's Inferno" by James Hornfischer

There were four other major surface battles, which were also described in the book.

One was a terribly lop-sided defeat of the Americans (5 cruisers were lost, and that was kept from the American public for months), another was a decisive victory for the US Navy, where a lot of good command (Admiral Scott) and shooting took place, another was a terrible battle which was a stragetic victory with many brave men in the US Navy killed and ships lost, and the fourth was a terrrific battleship battle, with the US Navy coming out on top.

All these battles were at night, with the great training, command and tactics of the IJN versus erratic command and radar for the US Navy. Many of the command officers of the US Navy did not believe in or understand radar at the time, which could have given them a tremendous advantage in almost every battle.

And that was why the area around Guadalcanal was called Ironbottom Sound. We also lost the Hornet to daylight air attacks there.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not the Easter Bunny at November 30, 2012 04:26 PM (Md8Uo)

47 Don't forget about the Battle of Yucca Flats.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 04:26 PM (V70Uh)

48 Warren.. that was my dad. Hand to hand combat. He was just a young kid. .. 18 or 19. He left the Marines and joined the Air Force but he was an alchoholic til the day he died. Even my mothers undying love and a young daughter (me) couldn't save him.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 04:26 PM (u25eL)

49 2 Gotta admit, Dave. Those guys on the sharp end during WWII had huge balls...or they were the crazy type of brave and courageous...or both. Almost everywhere, the fight was to the knife, and often, very up close and very personal. Not to take anything away from WWII veterans, or indeed veterans of any other war, but it's WWI airplane pilots who make me go WTF? A brand new technology that was by no means mature. Those fragile, slow-moving contraptions were likely to rip a wing off if they were maneuvered too hard, or burst into flames if you looked at them funny. And for most of the war, the pilots didn't have parachutes. Those guys spit in the face of Death on a daily basis. It's like they didn't fucking care.

Posted by: rickl at November 30, 2012 04:26 PM (sdi6R)

50 63 more posts and this thread is mine, all mine

Posted by: off topic soothsayer at November 30, 2012 04:27 PM (DlaLh)

51 41 40 Nukes are still cheap. We won't use nukes. We never will again. The next nuke used will be used against us, not by us. Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 08:24 PM (d/5qf) I agree we will not use first strike again. I also agree that the next nuke will be against us (US, Europe, Israel). But what about the one(s) after that?

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 30, 2012 04:27 PM (jts1f)

52 And the USS Indianapolis was sunk by torpedo later in the war. They were not zig zagging and were an easy target. Sad story, read.

http://tinyurl.com/42qzq2n

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 30, 2012 04:27 PM (wR+pz)

53 The next nuke used will be used against us, not by us. Yep.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 30, 2012 04:28 PM (mukPq)

54 @40, the old man flew out of Rekjavik on P-3 sub hunting patrols armed with dial-a-yield nuclear depth charges. I understand that those weapons have been disassembled. What a shame.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at November 30, 2012 04:29 PM (h1Nch)

Don't forget about the Battle of Yucca Flats.

And Adobe Walls.

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at November 30, 2012 04:30 PM (jTKU5)

56 Wiki says that the New Orleans steamed from the Solomon Islands to Sydney, backwards, since the bow was missing.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 04:30 PM (QupBk)

57 Indianapolis? Sad story. Under comm silence. Went down. Sharks.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 04:30 PM (V70Uh)

58 Sorry Dave. I denounce myself. I revere what those brave men did for their country. I don think they would have done it for this country.

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 04:30 PM (I2LwF)

59 Don't make the mistake of measuring the greatness of the USA by looking at what the Federal Government accomplished. Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 08:24 PM (57VGh) No. Not that at all. Just a little sadness at the utter disdain that academia has for a very storied, proud and, at times, glorious past of a country; that allows them to spew anything they desire, no matter how untrue or ridiculously revised.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:31 PM (7U6v/)

60 But what about the one(s) after that?

Even then we won't. We're now too "humane" to do that.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:32 PM (d/5qf)

61 It's horrid, but I no longer feel a connection to the people who lived in that America.

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 04:32 PM (I2LwF)

62 I still have nightmares about the Battle of Melrose Place. Color-coordinated, tailored nightmares.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 30, 2012 04:32 PM (mukPq)

63 55
Don't forget about the Battle of Yucca Flats.

Don't forget the war on womyns!

Posted by: St. Sandra Fluke at November 30, 2012 04:32 PM (wR+pz)

64 Don't make the mistake of measuring the greatness of the USA by looking at what the Federal Government accomplished. Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 08:24 PM (57VGh) No. Not that at all. Just a little sadness at the utter disdain that academia has for a very storied, proud and, at times, glorious past of a country; that allows them to spew anything they desire, no matter how untrue or ridiculously revised. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 08:31 PM (7U6v/) I hear ya.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 04:32 PM (57VGh)

65 The name "Guadalcanal" isn't some freaky transliteration from Chinese or Malay, it's a god-damned Spanish name and is pronounced the way it's spelled. Stop trying to PC-ify every god-damned thing.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 30, 2012 04:33 PM (LGG9W)

66 52 And the USS Indianapolis was sunk by torpedo later in the war. They were not zig zagging and were an easy target. Sad story, read. True. Not zig-zagging. But the Japanese sub captain testified at McVeys' court martial that it would have made no difference at all.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:34 PM (7U6v/)

67 Battle of Starbucks. the latte...the latte... In Boston it is known as the Battle of Stahbucks.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 04:34 PM (57VGh)

68 I agree we will not use first strike again. I also agree that the next nuke will be against us (US, Europe, Israel). But what about the one(s) after that?

Depends where. If England, France, or Israel get hit, they'll hit back on their own. This US regime would probably seeks convictions and give up after a week due to lack of evidence.

But let's not forget that Russia and China have muslim issues, too, and would be downright ruthless if first struck.

Posted by: Methos at November 30, 2012 04:35 PM (hO9ad)

69 Apologize for OT - but does anyone know of a site live streaming the UCLA/Stanford game?

Posted by: Mikeyboss at November 30, 2012 04:35 PM (5V9yW)

70 You are in big trouble when your enemy testifies at your Court Martial.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 04:36 PM (V70Uh)

71 Christ.. I'm depressed.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 04:36 PM (u25eL)

72 Mikeyboss try firstrowsports.eu

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:36 PM (d/5qf)

73 @66

Yeah, I knew that. The link I gave talks about what a huge fuck up the entire thing was.

Classic CYA from DC.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 30, 2012 04:36 PM (wR+pz)

74 It's the flashbacks that broke me. The terrifying flashbacks to the Battle of Black Friday. I almost didn't make it in before midnight.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 30, 2012 04:36 PM (mukPq)

75 70 Christ.. I'm depressed.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 08:36 PM (u25eL)

yeah me too.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:37 PM (d/5qf)

76
The irony of the U.S. torpedo problem is that about half of IJN loses were due to US navel submarine warfare.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 30, 2012 04:37 PM (mETGQ)

77 71 You are in big trouble when your enemy testifies at your Court Martial.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 08:36 PM (V70Uh)

He testified FOR the Indianapolis captain.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 30, 2012 04:37 PM (wR+pz)

78 That's true Methos. Hate him or love him, but Putin doesn't put up with ANY shit.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 04:37 PM (u25eL)

79 Apologize for OT - but does anyone know of a site live streaming the UCLA/Stanford game? It's on over-the-air Fox in my area.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 04:38 PM (QupBk)

80 listening to Gorecki, it feeds the depression
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVITZUQ_uIU

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:38 PM (d/5qf)

81 I just hope for one simple thing. That if, God forbid, we get hit by a nuclear hit in the U.S., please let it be in San Francisco.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 04:38 PM (V70Uh)

Which would be worse in WWII---

Navy and decent food, cots, heads and showers, BUT Kamikazes and drowning...OR

Army/Marines and no Kamikazes or drowning, but no comfort ever

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 04:38 PM (85EaA)

83 Naval and Navel.

Posted by: Butters at November 30, 2012 04:38 PM (NIZHJ)

84 Indianapolis delivered the nuke bomb parts. That alone was enough to put her in the history books.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 04:38 PM (eZgIK)

85 @56 - Yup, they took the props off and put them on backwards. Then the Captain ordered "All Speed Abaft!"

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at November 30, 2012 04:39 PM (h1Nch)

86 75 70
Christ.. I'm depressed.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 08:36 PM (u25eL)
yeah me too.

Fuck you all. We all are, but at least you all can get drunk.

I am on a fucking diet, no alcohol and no food. It sucks.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 04:39 PM (wR+pz)

87 Billy Bob, Was the Captain convicted?

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 04:39 PM (V70Uh)

88 81 I just hope for one simple thing. That if, God forbid, we get hit by a nuclear hit in the U.S., please let it be in San Francisco.

nahh, Detroit.

San Francisco is actually kinda pretty.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:39 PM (d/5qf)

89 God chemjeff.. I think I am having a delayed reaction to the fucking election. I have been down all week. I just want to go live in a goddman cave right now. Fuck the human race. I hate everyone right now (except you morons of course).

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 04:40 PM (u25eL)

90 Putin must look at Obastard and marvel how such a effeminate shitheel squanders the incredible opportunities Putin himself sees surrounding Barry, wonders what he could do if he were in Barry's shoes.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 30, 2012 04:40 PM (mukPq)

91 61 It's horrid, but I no longer feel a connection to the people who lived in that America. Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 08:32 PM (I2LwF) . yeah.....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:40 PM (7U6v/)

92 It's just me and the Crunch Berry Beast against the world.

Posted by: Butters at November 30, 2012 04:40 PM (NIZHJ)

93 chemjeff,

After the shit France has been getting away with, I wish Paris had been burned by the Germans.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 04:41 PM (V70Uh)

94 77 The Captain later committed suicide because the Navy insisted it was his fault

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 04:41 PM (XDC0v)

95 81 I just hope for one simple thing. That if, God forbid, we get hit by a nuclear hit in the U.S., please let it be in San Francisco. No, California is gone. If it hits Philadelphia, we get Pennsylvania back.

Posted by: rickl at November 30, 2012 04:41 PM (sdi6R)

96 82
Which would be worse in WWII---
Navy and decent food, cots, heads and showers, BUT Kamikazes and drowning...OR
Army/Marines and no Kamikazes or drowning, but no comfort ever

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 08:38 PM (85EaA)

A lot of that is true, but I don't call puking all day and night in a storm comfort, or sleeping in rotation in a hammock next to a boiler exactly comfort either. I guess it beats snow and mud.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 04:41 PM (wR+pz)

97 Yup, they took the props off and put them on backwards. Then the Captain ordered "All Speed Abaft!" Apropos of nothing, I have always wondered why Captain Smith didn't run the Titanic backwards toward the Californian before the flooding got too bad.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 04:41 PM (QupBk)

98 So, both Paris and San Francisco.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 04:42 PM (V70Uh)

99 I just hope for one simple thing. That if, God forbid, we get hit by a nuclear hit in the U.S., please let it be in San Francisco. Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 08:38 PM (V70Uh) SF is a great city and I have friends there. How about Chicago?

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 04:42 PM (57VGh)

100 I've got my uncle's Purple Heart, letters from the Secretary of War and his company XO and the 48 star flag that draped his coffin. I just get sick to my stomach to see what has become of the country he gave his life for. G-d damn those who stabbed us in the back to Hell.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 30, 2012 04:42 PM (XkWWK)

101

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 08:40 PM (u25eL)

jewells, I can empathize. I look around at people, particularly the yoots that comprise the student campus population, and I have to wonder if they were the one that gave Obumbles the 4,000,000th vote over Mitt Romney, and how could they be so stupid.

and then I have to grade their exams.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:42 PM (d/5qf)

102 No, California is gone. See, Lex Luthor could be a good friend after all.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 30, 2012 04:42 PM (mukPq)

103 But the Captain's descendant, a kid, got him cleared.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 04:43 PM (85EaA)

104

Next nuke? I know the towel heads love the idea of nuking New York, but they may actually go for the midwest. Kansas City, Oklahoma City, Dallas etc. Strike at the "heartland" of America. And no one would give a shit cuz we are flyover country. Two days max on the news coverage.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 04:43 PM (u25eL)

105 Which it wasn't- the Navy screwed up and didn't even notice the absence or start looking for survivors for 7 days- the sharks picked 'em off one by one including AS they were being pulled into the rescue craft

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 04:43 PM (XDC0v)

106 How about Chicago? Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 08:42 PM (57VGh) I can think of a better candidate.

Posted by: Not Ready To Unsock at November 30, 2012 04:43 PM (BgIBZ)

107 82 Which would be worse in WWII--- Navy and decent food, cots, heads and showers, BUT Kamikazes and drowning...OR Army/Marines and no Kamikazes or drowning, but no comfort ever Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 08:38 PM (85EaA) Each had it's idiosyncrasies and particular type of terror, but the fucking chow in the Navy is a whole lot better.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:43 PM (7U6v/)

108 I just hope for one simple thing. That if, God forbid, we get hit by a nuclear hit in the U.S., please let it be in San Francisco.

Pelosi would just move up the coast somewhere.

Posted by: Methos at November 30, 2012 04:44 PM (hO9ad)

109 103 But the Captain's descendant, a kid, got him cleared. Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 08:43 PM (85EaA) Pretty sure. I don't remember what administration it was done under.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:44 PM (7U6v/)

110 Pelosi would just move up the coast somewhere. With luck she would precipitate all over the Northwest.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 04:44 PM (QupBk)

111 DiT, I can't thank you enough for these posts. I learn something every time.

Posted by: Gromulin at November 30, 2012 04:44 PM (7Zrx4)

112 Pelosi would just move up the coast somewhere. Plus she's impervious to radiation. Like a cockroach.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 30, 2012 04:45 PM (mukPq)

113 Chemjeff.. grade them all a big fat S on the top of the page. Then when they bring you the paper for an explanation you can tell them S is for STUPID!!!!

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 04:45 PM (u25eL)

114 Stanford wearing Nike Pro Combat kit tonight. All black with the red S and red accents to their accessories. Really great look.

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 04:45 PM (I2LwF)

115 How about Chicago?

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 08:42 PM (57VGh)

Can I get a bid for NYC, going once, going twice. Wait, Boston is now up for bid and is overtaking NYC.

Let's go with Boston and Harvard yard.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 04:45 PM (wR+pz)

116 37 ChemJeff, Wish the Freeshit army the best of luck, God willing Texas will be fine.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 04:45 PM (LRFds)

117 Yeah, in the Navy you could die by fire or drowning. But at least you don't have to walk all day carrying a pack.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 04:45 PM (V70Uh)

118 How about Chicago? Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 08:42 PM (57VGh) Do it. No tears here and I might lose the parents.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:46 PM (7U6v/)

119 Paul Murphy, president of the USS Indianapolis Survivors Organization, said: "Capt. McVay's court-martial was simply to divert attention from the terrible loss of life caused by procedural mistakes which never alerted anyone that we were missing."

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 04:46 PM (XDC0v)

120 Thanks, chemjeff!!

Posted by: Mikeyboss at November 30, 2012 04:46 PM (5V9yW)

121 conservatives do exist in the SF Bay Area you know. though we are an endangered species Posted by: JDP at November 30, 2012 08:45 PM (60GaT) High five.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 04:47 PM (57VGh)

122 118 Yeah, in the Navy you could die by fire or drowning. But at least you don't have to walk all day carrying a pack.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 08:45 PM (V70Uh)

I heard they do a lot of "packing" in the Navy.

Posted by: Barney at November 30, 2012 04:47 PM (wR+pz)

123 118 Or you get to fall out of the sky, maybe on fire

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 04:47 PM (XDC0v)

124 68 ... Depends where. If England, France, or Israel get hit, they'll hit back on their own. This US regime would probably seeks convictions and give up after a week due to lack of evidence. But let's not forget that Russia and China have muslim issues, too, and would be downright ruthless if first struck. Posted by: Methos at November 30, 2012 08:35 PM (hO9ad) Top Candidates Israel - well, you know ... Rome - Capital of Christendom London - Capital of Imperialism (retired) New York - Capital of Capitalism Las Vegas - Capital of Hedonism Also the Russians and the Chinese will not get hit exactly because everyone knows (and believes) that RUTHLESS is exactly what they would be.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 30, 2012 04:47 PM (jts1f)

125 How about Chicago?

ncj hardest hit

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:47 PM (d/5qf)

126 OK, let me modify my wish.

Let Nancy Pelosi be doing a townhall meeting in SF when they get hit.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 04:47 PM (V70Uh)

127 George, what makes you think Putin hasn't been running this country for 4 years?

Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 04:48 PM (n9F1h)

128 I tossed in that part about the USS Indianapolis because I knew you morons knew about her fate as well. You never disappoint.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 30, 2012 04:48 PM (pUqSw)

129

and I might lose the parents.

???your own?

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 04:48 PM (85EaA)

130 But at least you don't have to walk all day carrying a pack. Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 08:45 PM (V70Uh) You get used to it. It's the extra frags, the spare machine gun ammo, bandoleers of 5.56MM and the AT-4 rounds that completely suck.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:48 PM (7U6v/)

131 There are no "conservatives" in San Francisco. There are only Loyal Obama Subjects and Subversive Enemies of the State.

Posted by: Tolerant Bay Area Liberal at November 30, 2012 04:48 PM (d/5qf)

132 In the 6 weeks my father's squadron was on Okinawa they lost 60 men, 1/3 of the squadron, either killed or in Ofuna prison camp

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 04:48 PM (XDC0v)

133 ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta) - A Democratic representative is calling for an amendment to the United States Constitution that would allow for some legislative restriction of freedom of speech. Â“We need a constitutional amendment that would allow the legislature to control the so-called free speech rights of corporations,Â” Rep. Hank "Guam might capsize" Johnson (D-GA) was quoted as saying by CNS News.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 30, 2012 04:49 PM (e8kgV)

134 George, what makes you think Putin hasn't been running this country for 4 years? I know he hasn't because Putin is former communist, and we are ruled by an actual one.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 30, 2012 04:49 PM (mukPq)

135 The PAC12 teams seem to have difficulty with the concept of Defense.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 04:49 PM (QupBk)

136

I heard they do a lot of "packing" in the Navy.

Posted by: Barney at November 30, 2012 08:47 PM (wR+pz)

=====

Myth. The Marines are well known for sodomy.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 04:49 PM (85EaA)

137 All my relatives live within 50 miles of Boston. That said, it should be the first to go.

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 04:49 PM (I2LwF)

138 Navy squadron VPB-124

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 04:49 PM (XDC0v)

139

I am on a fucking diet, no alcohol and no food. It sucks.

You might want to alter your handle. Or stay out of South Carolina.

Posted by: fluffy at November 30, 2012 04:50 PM (3SvjA)

140 I'll give you SF only if Oakland gets hit too! Still Boston would be hard to beat.

WTF does Boston do that anyone would miss if they didn't do it?

Their beans suck.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 04:50 PM (wR+pz)

141 You might want to alter your handle. Or stay out of South Carolina.

Posted by: fluffy at November 30, 2012 08:50 PM (3SvjA)

I am staying out of SC.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 04:50 PM (wR+pz)

142 ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta) - A Democratic representative is calling for an amendment to the United States Constitution that would allow for some legislative restriction of freedom of speech. Â“We need a constitutional amendment that would allow the legislature to control the so-called free speech rights of corporations,Â” Rep. Hank "Guam might capsize" Johnson (D-GA) was quoted as saying by CNS News. Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 30, 2012 08:49 PM (e8kgV) Another amendment will tip the Constitution right over.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 04:51 PM (57VGh)

143 SF is a great city and I have friends there.

How about Chicago?

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 08:42 PM (57VGh)

I could roast marshmallows from my porch.

Posted by: Methos at November 30, 2012 04:51 PM (hO9ad)

144 Go Bruins

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 04:51 PM (XDC0v)

145 97 Apropos of nothing, I have always wondered why Captain Smith didn't run the Titanic backwards toward the Californian before the flooding got too bad. Funny you should mention that. Second Officer Charles Lightoller, the highest-ranking surviving crew member of Titanic, commanded a destroyer in WWI. After ramming and sinking a U-Boat, he did indeed return to port in reverse.

Posted by: rickl at November 30, 2012 04:51 PM (sdi6R)

146
WTF does Boston do that anyone would miss if they didn't do it?

Churn out loser politicians?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:51 PM (d/5qf)

147 I don't know why UCLA is passing, Stanford seems unable to tackle.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 04:51 PM (QupBk)

148 Myth. The Marines are well known for sodomy. Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 08:49 PM (85EaA) Yeah, but at least you get a reach-around.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 04:51 PM (57VGh)

149 We all are, but at least you all can get drunk. I am on a fucking diet, no alcohol and no food. It sucks. Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC Drink up. I heard anything greater than 100 proof will actually burn fat. Ted Kennedy told me.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 30, 2012 04:51 PM (PALjS)

150 87 ... 81 I just hope for one simple thing. That if, God forbid, we get hit by a nuclear hit in the U.S., please let it be in San Francisco. nahh, Detroit. San Francisco is actually kinda pretty. Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 08:39 PM (d/5qf) There are still patriots holding the line on the borders of the smoking ruins of the Once Great Motor City. We hear the Call to Prayer fives times a day in nearby Dearbornistan ... but nevertheless ... Don't nuke me, bro!

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 30, 2012 04:52 PM (jts1f)

151 good rule of thumb: don't drink flammable liquids

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:52 PM (d/5qf)

152 147
WTF does Boston do that anyone would miss if they didn't do it?

Churn out loser politicians?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 08:51 PM (d/5qf)

Your making my point!

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 04:52 PM (wR+pz)

153 Who was the Congressasshole who publicly announced the problems with our torpedoes? BTW, Germany had major problems with their torpedoes early on, also caused by incompetence and greed in the manufacturing process.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 30, 2012 04:53 PM (dZ756)

154 Don't nuke me, bro!

head south before you hear the sirens

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:53 PM (d/5qf)

155

Posted by: toby928Â© for TB at November 30, 2012 08:41 PM (QupBk)

We canceled Netflix so the kids are watching IMAX movies until the 4th when service actually ends. Watched one about Titanic yesterday. How in G-d's name could the captain of the Californian have known of the distress flares and chosen to do nothing?! None of us could get our heads around that.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at November 30, 2012 04:53 PM (NYki8)

156 Stanford players aren't used to having men in front of them

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 04:53 PM (XDC0v)

157 71 You are in big trouble when your enemy testifies at your Court Martial. Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 08:36 PM (V70Uh) He was a defense witness. The Indianapolis never should have done the transit with out an escort. The Big Brass fucked that up. Not McVay.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:54 PM (7U6v/)

158 Your making my point!

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 08:52 PM (wR+pz)

roger roger

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:54 PM (d/5qf)

159 good rule of thumb: don't drink flammable liquids Zombie Dan Haggerty agrees.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 04:54 PM (QupBk)

160 conservatives do exist in the SF Bay Area you know. though we are an endangered species Posted by: JDP at November 30, 2012 08:45 PM (60GaT) Hell Yeah! I work down on the peninsula.

Posted by: Hugh G. Rex at November 30, 2012 04:55 PM (q177U)

161 Just think in the "Great Battle of Midway", not ONE ship was sunk by a torpedo. Every torpedo plane was shot down. If it had not been for the dive bombers we would have lost our ass, even with all the Japs codes and plans.

An utter disgrace and waste of lives.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 04:55 PM (wR+pz)

162 oh, hey guess what showed up at my place: the complete Farscape series, on DVD. guess what I'll be doing this weekend

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 04:55 PM (d/5qf)

163 chemjeff: can you bing Wilson Middle School Carlisle explosion and ascertain what happened to that teacher ? If you have some time.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 04:56 PM (85EaA)

164 147 WTF does Boston do that anyone would miss if they didn't do it? Churn out loser politicians? Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 08:51 PM __ __ __ __ __ __ You got me, but I hear Harvard has a world class Chemistry program. (not sure if they were referring to the chemical experimentation in the dorms or what)

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 30, 2012 04:56 PM (PALjS)

165 Never eat Boo Berry the box.

Posted by: Butters at November 30, 2012 04:56 PM (NIZHJ)

166 Not to take anything away from WWII veterans, or indeed veterans of any other war, but it's WWI airplane pilots who make me go WTF?

A brand new technology that was by no means mature. Those fragile, slow-moving contraptions were likely to rip a wing off if they were maneuvered too hard, or burst into flames if you looked at them funny. And for most of the war, the pilots didn't have parachutes.

Those guys spit in the face of Death on a daily basis. It's like they didn't fucking care.

Behold the story of Lieutenant Louis Strange, Royal Flying Corps. He equipped his Martinsyde scout with a Lewis gun on the top wing. The ammunition drum had only 47 shells. To change the drum, Strange had to undo his safety belt and stand up in the cockpit.

On May 10, 1915, strange tried out his new weapon in combat for the first time. He engaged an Aviatik two seater, firing off his 47 rounds of ammo. When he stood up to change the drums, his aircraft turned turtle, dumping Strange from the cockpit. He held on to the drum of the machine gun as the scout went into a flat spin, upside down, Strange dangling from the machine gun.

Strange tried to haul his legs up in front of him back into the cockpit but succeeded only in destroying his instrument panel, which fell out. He then kicked his legs behind him, over and over until he got his feet inside the rim of the cockpit. He arched his back until he could reach the control stick and righted the aircraft so violently that he fell onto the seat on his back. The seat and its supports broke, so Strange flew back to base sitting on the floor of the aircraft. Every time he raised his body to get his visual bearings--having no compass and being unable to see over the cockpit edges--he lost control of the aircraft again, because he had to take his feet off the rudder pedals.

After landing blindly at his base, he got into terrible trouble with his superiors for destroying the instrument panel and seat of his scout. Nobody on the base believed his story.

After the war, a British journalist found the after-action report of the German Aviatik crew, who witnessed the entire episode. They, too, weren't believed by their commanders.

The writer introduced Strange to the two Germans, and they told him they were grateful he'd survived, because they'd never seen such a horrifying sight in their lives.

Posted by: Llarry at November 30, 2012 04:56 PM (JgHoa)

167 Okay.. I haven't even heard about the Californian til now. This was a ship that close to the Titanic?

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 04:56 PM (u25eL)

168 #whiskeytangofoxtrot all over the music, munuvians,,, GoinDownSlow http://bit.ly/VdnDBp
Ace: Take note abt the tune

Posted by: WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot at November 30, 2012 04:57 PM (44WKP)

169 It is strange that only decades after the battle of Tassafaronga a single USN Ohio-class submarine could destroy the entire IJN and Imperial Japan with the push of a button from thousands of miles away.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 04:57 PM (57VGh)

170

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 30, 2012 08:48 PM (pUqSw)

Weren't you the one that did a post about her sinking sometime in the last year? Maybe it was an ONT post.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at November 30, 2012 04:57 PM (NYki8)

171 Rome - Capital of Christendom

Hit the Vatican specifically and the muzzies make their point knowing full well no major (earthly) power would retaliate.

As for Russia and China being safe, don't forget that nearly all islamic terrorism is a pissing contest among muslims for who gets to lead the general war against everyone else.

Posted by: Methos at November 30, 2012 04:58 PM (hO9ad)

172 @157

What network is carrying the game? I am in a room without a cable box, might have to move.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 04:58 PM (wR+pz)

173 Polliwog, GJ, cancel anything that gives Hollywood money. The titanic, like a few other events in history, is one of those things that --the more you learn about it-- the more the conspiracy theories send a chill down your spine as making sense. No titanic sinking, no federal reserve, income tax, direct election of senators, or US involvement in WW1.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 04:58 PM (s+Cb9)

174 Rep. Hank "Guam might capsize" Johnson (D-GA) was quoted as saying by CNS News.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 30, 2012 08:49 PM (e8kgV)

I'm waiting for him to ask for a government study on why people don't get dizzy even though the planet is spinning.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 30, 2012 04:58 PM (mETGQ)

175 149 Myth. The Marines are well known for sodomy. Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 08:49 PM (85EaA) Yeah, but at least you get a reach-around. Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 08:51 PM (57VGh) I don't know about that. Get some rank-grabbing zero assigned to your unit and you can take a torpedo in the shorts faster than the Indianapolis. ...and no reach around, either.....azzholes! :-)

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 04:58 PM (7U6v/)

176 37 And when the next Pearl Harbor comes, what will we do then? We are already so leveraged to the hilt, we can't afford another war. Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 08:23 PM (d/5qf) What will we do? Nothing, right? I mean, LIB. In fact, we should open ourselves up and then offer no response. I mean, that should hasten the downfall.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 04:58 PM (GEICT)

177 What network is carrying the game? over the air Fox.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 04:59 PM (QupBk)

178 If you haven't read any books about the USS Indianapolis, I highly recommend it. There are 3 or 4 that I know of...all quite good.

Posted by: Icedog at November 30, 2012 04:59 PM (9ScGj)

179 For all the morons in SF, Det, Boston and NY, be prepared to take one for the team.

btw, after 9/11 and Sandy and Obama winning NY and NJ, I don't give a shit about New York or New Jersey anymore.

All my charitable giving is going overseas (e.g. Coptic Christians, even the Jews in Russia needing food for Rosh Hashana)) My reply to the local charities: "Get it from the government."

Seriously. This is war.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 04:59 PM (V70Uh)

180

haven't even heard about the Californian til now. This was a ship that close to the Titanic?

===

Yeah but they all had gone to bed and missed the show.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 05:00 PM (85EaA)

181 nahh, Detroit.

North Platte NE, and Selkirk NY would be my targets of choice. Two of the largest rail switching yards in the USA. Take them offline and you'd see some real SHTF.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 05:00 PM (eZgIK)

182

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 08:56 PM (85EaA)

yeah I got an email about that.

apparently, the teacher was setting rubbing alcohol on fire, and then pouring more rubbing alcohol into the beaker, and while doing so, the alcohol vapors ignited and created a fireball.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 05:00 PM (d/5qf)

183 168 Okay.. I haven't even heard about the Californian til now. This was a ship that close to the Titanic? Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 08:56 PM (u25eL) Yes. From what I have understood, they saw the signal rockets fired from the Titanic. Not sure of all the particulars.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 05:01 PM (7U6v/)

184 Yeah but they allhad goneto bed and missed the show. Think how many lives would have been saved if they had just motored the Titanic over to it.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 05:01 PM (QupBk)

185
@178

Thanks

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:01 PM (wR+pz)

186
You got me, but I hear Harvard has a world class Chemistry program.

Harvard, and MIT are in Cambridge, not Boston.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 05:02 PM (eZgIK)

187 Another weird thing is that all British sailors of the time had already been trained on how to construct makeshift rafts from ship parts and life jackets etc. But none were made. Anything that could have kept people out of the water would have saved them. Very strange.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 05:03 PM (QupBk)

188 163 oh, hey guess what showed up at my place: the complete Farscape series, on DVD. guess what I'll be doing this weekend Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 08:55 PM (d/5qf) Awesome. My fav episode of what I've seen is the exploding piss one.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 05:03 PM (GEICT)

189 I told you guys all about the USS Indianapolis, except that I was off by a month.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2012 05:03 PM (WBGqy)

190 USS Diversity.. I never even heard about it. Wow. That's... just incredible. I know the Titanic sent out several SOS's. EVERYONE was asleep? Really?

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 05:04 PM (u25eL)

191 And when the next Pearl Harbor comes, what will we do then? We are already so leveraged to the hilt, we can't afford another war. Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 08:23 PM (d/5qf) We shall activate the 3687th Tactical Apology Bn. They shall be airlifted to the point of origin and immediately commence bending over.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 05:04 PM (7U6v/)

192 177 BC1981, They'll try to convict us of earcrimes for doing the right thing and jerk off to death camping us BC. Go read DailyKos guy. They won twice, fuck the assholes who rewarded Kos and Sheehan for their bullshit. Let it burn.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:04 PM (LRFds)

193 @187

Yeah, want to bet a nuclear bomb in Boston, will take out Cambridge, 3.4 miles away?

I will.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:04 PM (wR+pz)

194 Not to take anything away from WWII veterans, or indeed veterans of any
other war, but it's WWI airplane pilots who make me go WTF?

Wasn't the average life span of your typical WWI pilot about six weeks?
Not to mention most were always sick from ingesting and being covered in oil from the leaky engines.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 30, 2012 05:05 PM (mETGQ)

195 Okay.. I haven't even heard about the Californian til now. This was a ship that close to the Titanic? Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 08:56 PM (u25eL) Yep. They watched the whole thing, but they were too far away to make out enough detail. They were at rest in the ice field, drifting with the icebergs at night, and planned to get going again in the morning when they could see the bergs. Note to Captain Smith. They saw the Titanic stop a few miles away but they could not see why. They saw the distress rockets and thought the Titanic was throwing a party. Then when the Titanic sank they noted the ship could no longer be seen (likely thinking it had sailed away). They could have rescued hundreds of people.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 05:05 PM (57VGh)

196 190 I told you guys all about the USS Indianapolis, except that I was off by a month.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2012 09:03 PM (WBGqy)

I remember we had a long thread on it.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:05 PM (wR+pz)

197 187
You got me, but I hear Harvard has a world class Chemistry program.

Harvard, and MIT are in Cambridge, not Boston.
Posted by: @PurpAv

Yeah, like the Charles River is going to stop a Boston nuke from taking out Cambridge???

BTW, TT The Bears is (or was) awesome. Got my first drink there -- rum and coke -- when I was 16.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 30, 2012 05:05 PM (dZ756)

198 Harvard does have a good chemistry program. But they are just one of many good chemistry programs. Actually, places like Harvard are having problems attracting and keeping good chemistry professors, because they know that they won't get tenure. They have a habit of attracting good talent and then kicking them off, because they aren't "excellent" talent.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 05:05 PM (d/5qf)

199 As for Russia and China being safe, don't forget that nearly all islamic terrorism is a pissing contest among muslims for who gets to lead the general war against everyone else. Posted by: Methos at November 30, 2012 08:58 PM (hO9ad) No doubt, but they only attack when they perceive the enemy as weak. Convince them that you really will blast their cities to glass lined hole and they will not cross that line. Once the Iranian bomb leads to a ME arms race, all bets are off. If that comes to pass, we are all gonna taste the images of millions dead at time. 9/11*1000

Posted by: Spotswood at November 30, 2012 05:06 PM (jts1f)

200 All Farscape episodes with Claudia Black are my favorites..which is probably all of them.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 05:06 PM (eZgIK)

201 The best Titanic story is of the chief baker who started drinking whiskey or rum or something when the ship lurched to a halt, and then stepped into the 28 degree water when it sank, and paddled around until rescued, unharmed.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 05:06 PM (85EaA)

202 The "California". How appropriately named.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 05:07 PM (V70Uh)

203 As I said, The Titanic is one of those things that, the more you learn about it, the more it sends a chill down your spine as you start to see it for what it might actually be. It's like reading a book about summoning Cthulu.. Some things can't be unread.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 05:07 PM (svdpV)

204 202 I'm a baker Captain, not a lifeguard.

Posted by: Butters at November 30, 2012 05:08 PM (NIZHJ)

205 Holy crap eman. That is just sad. So many souls lost that night. How horrible.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 05:08 PM (u25eL)

206 Damn it looks pretty nasty at the game. 50 degrees and rain. I guess that beats 34 degrees and rain.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:09 PM (wR+pz)

207 I had kind of a flip response jewells, see eman's post. Same result I guess.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 05:09 PM (85EaA)

208 193 Let it burn. Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 09:04 PM (LRFds) Then you LIB guys can own the aftermath, cause I won't. This idea that by burning it down, some conservative utopia will come out of it is just laughable. I can think of no example where the things Conservatives espouse have come from chaos. Revolution? Yes. But not chaos. And that's exactly what will happen if it burns.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 05:09 PM (GEICT)

209 Behold the story of Lieutenant Louis Strange, Royal Flying Corps. Posted by: Llarry at November 30, 2012 08:56 PM (JgHoa) --- Wow. Just... Wow. Sounds like the kinda cheesy crap post-1989 George Lucas would put in an adventure movie. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Not Ready To Unsock at November 30, 2012 05:09 PM (BgIBZ)

210 Is this E-15 fuel already out?

Posted by: Butters at November 30, 2012 05:09 PM (NIZHJ)

211 LOL Al.. how very true.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 05:10 PM (u25eL)

212 133 In the 6 weeks my father's squadron was on Okinawa they lost 60 men, 1/3 of the squadron, either killed or in Ofuna prison camp Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 08:48 PM (XDC0v) Was he VMF flying F-4U's, DAve?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 05:10 PM (7U6v/)

213 Harvard does have a good chemistry program. But they are just one of many good chemistry programs. Actually, places like Harvard are having problems attracting and keeping good chemistry professors, because they know that they won't get tenure. They have a habit of attracting good talent and then kicking them off, because they aren't "excellent" talent. Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 09:05 PM (d/5qf) Stanford, U of Illinois, Rice - all pretty damn good.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 05:10 PM (57VGh)

214 194 billybob, 36 miles minimum.....otherwise run TO the fireball. We figured this out in 82-83

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:10 PM (LRFds)

215 "When this war is over, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell" -- Admiral Bill Halsey on December 7, 2001

my FIL spent the war in the Pacific, on the "Showboat" BB-55... part of him is still there.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 30, 2012 05:11 PM (8MasJ)

216 #173 Channel 11

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 05:11 PM (XDC0v)

217

Revolution? Yes. But not chaos. And that's exactly what will happen if it burns.

=======

Interesting....control the burn, you mean?

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 05:11 PM (85EaA)

218 A little .5kt suitcase job, or a crude one that was a squibbed shot in downtown Boston would knock some shit down but leave a lot of Cambridge still serviceable.

If the terrorists were smart, they'd forget about a "goes bang" nukes and just do aerosolized Plutonium dirty bombs. Way easier to build and they'd deny real estate usage for a LONG time.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 05:12 PM (eZgIK)

219 Wasn't the average life span of your typical WWI pilot about six weeks? I think it was less. Around 2-3 weeks.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 05:12 PM (7U6v/)

220 187 You got me, but I hear Harvard has a world class Chemistry program. Harvard, and MIT are in Cambridge, not Boston. Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 09:02 PM (eZgIK) Yeah, the distance between one side of Boston and the other side of Cambridge is walkable.

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 05:12 PM (I2LwF)

221 Jewels, Including the people that were opposed to (and preventing): the creation if the federal reserve, the passing of the income tax and direct election of senators amendments, and some other things related to WW1's outbreak and our involvement in it (for the sake of JP morgan's fortune).

Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 05:14 PM (svdpV)

222 28 points scored in 17 minutes in the PAC12 Championship.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 05:14 PM (QupBk)

223 It would be worth it to be rid of that shitty accent.

Posted by: Butters at November 30, 2012 05:14 PM (NIZHJ)

224 209 BC 1981, Have fun cleaning up Kos' smegma. I got better shit to do than waste a nanosecond on freeshit army. Whatever the fuck you're sitting on that wins why the fuck you hide it for 25 fucking years? I went 6500 in the hole trying to beat free shit army. That is 2 acres I wasted.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:14 PM (LRFds)

225 Is this E-15 fuel already out?

If your fuel injection is failing, maybe...

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 05:14 PM (eZgIK)

226 218 Revolution? Yes. But not chaos. And that's exactly what will happen if it burns. ======= Interesting....control the burn, you mean? Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 09:11 PM (85EaA) Revolution can result in things burning during, but I don't think they're reliant on each other. And I certainly don't think burning is the point of revolution. Some here seem to be insistent upon burning no matter what, and to me, that's a purely emotional reaction to losing the election.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 05:14 PM (GEICT)

227

Yeah, the distance between one side of Boston and the other side of Cambridge is walkable.

It will be a long day if you start in Hyde Park or Mattapan.

Posted by: fluffy at November 30, 2012 05:15 PM (3SvjA)

228 If the terrorists were smart, they'd forget about a "goes bang" nukes and just do aerosolized Plutonium dirty bombs. Way easier to build and they'd deny real estate usage for a LONG time. Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 09:12 PM (eZgIK) Anthrax in a spray bottle and Uranium powder taped to dynamite. It doesn't have to be very effective. It just has to happen. The human tendency to panic will do the rest.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 05:16 PM (57VGh)

229 Stanford, U of Illinois, Rice - all pretty damn good.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 09:10 PM (57VGh)

Yeah, so why I should care about Harvard's program escapes me.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 05:16 PM (d/5qf)

230 Wasn't the average life span of your typical WWI pilot about six weeks?
Not to mention most were always sick from ingesting and being covered in oil from the leaky engines.

And deafened by the unmuffled engines.

The gunner-mechanics of the Zeppelin-Staaken R-class "Giant" bombers had to communicate in sign language in their nacelles.

Posted by: Llarry at November 30, 2012 05:16 PM (JgHoa)

231 Then you LIB guys can own the aftermath, cause I won't. This idea that by burning it down, some conservative utopia will come out of it is just laughable. I can think of no example where the things Conservatives espouse have come from chaos. Revolution? Yes. But not chaos. And that's exactly what will happen if it burns. Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 09:09 PM (GEICT) If the LiB crowd is serious, not just blowing off steam, then they have never been out beyond the street lights. Chaos sucks. Fortunately, a significant percentage of the population is reasonably well armed and we will organize and put down chaos in our communities and the 'collapse' will burn itself out and essential services will start to flow again. Of course, if we do not organize fast enough, we will get epic demagogues and "The Terror" on a scale to embarrass Robespierre will follow. Keep your powder dry.

Posted by: Spotswood at November 30, 2012 05:16 PM (jts1f)

232 But BC...revolution could not, I think, be done without a hellofa lot of burning.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 05:17 PM (85EaA)

233 There were some crew members of the Californian who witnessed the Titanic firing rockets, but they didn't realize they were distress signals. The Californian had only one wireless operator, and he turned off his set and went to bed before the Titanic hit the iceberg. Shortly before that, he had tried to send an ice warning to Titanic, but was rudely told to "shut up". You see, wireless was still a newfangled thing, and many of Titanic's passengers were paying to send private messages to friends and family. Sort of like postcards: "Having a wonderful time. Wish you were here." That sort of thing. Titanic's wireless operators were swamped with this kind of work, and were desperately trying to catch up. When the Californian's operator broke in with an ice warning, he was so close he nearly blew the ears off of Titanic's operator, which is why he lost his temper.

Posted by: rickl at November 30, 2012 05:17 PM (sdi6R)

234 227 BC1981, Yeah "just tbis ection" sandy fluck is a bitch ass Nazi whore I'd have helped the Free French shave. We became what we beheld as a nation. This place ain't worth saving.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:18 PM (LRFds)

235

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 08:56 PM (u25eL)

Yes, it was apparently much closer than the ship which did come to the rescue. It was the first the kids or I had heard of there being another ship as well.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at November 30, 2012 05:18 PM (NYki8)

236 and to me, that's a purely emotional reaction to losing the election.

yeah I agree mostly, the people who are itching for revolution or chaos are a bit overwrought.

the solution is to take over your local GOP HQ and put it on the necessary right track. not because Boehner is some saint - but because we have a 2-party system, and the other party hates us, so the only alternative left is to transform the party that doesn't hate us into a force that actually fights for us.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 05:18 PM (d/5qf)

237 Yeah. One end of the green line to the other end on foot is one of those things I'll never do again!

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 05:19 PM (I2LwF)

238 stupid wardrobe error

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 30, 2012 05:19 PM (jts1f)

239

I have often thought that maybe they aren't even thinking nuke. What if they got into our water supply, or food? They have to be thinking about it, don't you think?

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 05:19 PM (u25eL)

240 Spotswood, Some of us have been beyond the glow of street lights. We're quite comfortable there.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 05:19 PM (svdpV)

241 Revolution can result in things burning during, but I don't think they're reliant on each other. And I certainly don't think burning is the point of revolution. Some here seem to be insistent upon burning no matter what, and to me, that's a purely emotional reaction to losing the election. Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 09:14 PM (GEICT) And you would be wrong. It is a cold and well-calculated reaction. The graph is clear. The end-point is disaster. Bring the system down and at least have a chance of rebuilding something much better. Or wait and hope for magic bunnies to set things right.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 05:20 PM (57VGh)

242 233 But BC...revolution could not, I think, be done without a hellofa lot of burning. Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 09:17 PM (85EaA) Maybe. I fully realize revolution can be messy. History shows that. But people aren't talking about revolution. It's all: 1) Let the motherfucker burn!!!11!!! 2) ?????? 3) Conservative country

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 05:20 PM (GEICT)

243 No doubt, but they only attack when they perceive the enemy as weak. Convince them that you really will blast their cities to glass lined hole and they will not cross that line. Once the Iranian bomb leads to a ME arms race, all bets are off. If that comes to pass, we are all gonna taste the images of millions dead at time. 9/11*1000

Hmm. It certainly helps that they think they can get away with it, but the threat of smackdown doesn't stop them from lobbing missiles at Israel all the time. I was thinking more in terms of ease of delivery. You can drive into China or Russia, or I suppose Europe, but you need a boat to get here.

Posted by: Methos at November 30, 2012 05:20 PM (hO9ad)

244 my FIL spent the war in the Pacific, on the "Showboat" BB-55... part of him is still there. Posted by: redc1c4 at November 30, 2012 09:11 PM (8MasJ) *clink*

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 05:20 PM (7U6v/)

245 Brookline/Newton are probably more virulent infestations than Boston proper.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 05:21 PM (eZgIK)

246 232 spotswood, The nation picked Chi Jesus, they want proto Marxist Fwench Rev why stop it? They want to have a contest in out of control lawfare I'm game. You do not build a just society on the mob setting wealth limits. Envy is sin.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:21 PM (LRFds)

247

It's all:

1) Let the motherfucker burn!!!11!!!

Do you know how to stop it?

Posted by: fluffy at November 30, 2012 05:21 PM (3SvjA)

248

Anybody ever heard of Billy Fiske? His daddy was a Mega-banker, magnate, and he won gold, as the driver, at the '28 and '32 Olympics in bobsled/bobsleigh. The 1st when he was 16, was the youngest of any Olympic gold ever, at the time. He was described as the quintessential amateur. He was evidently a "hit" in St. Moritz, where he did the Cresta Run (like early luge, in the streets, only he did it head first). He declined to go to the Hitler games. Was one of the founders of Aspen. Helped build the first lift (the Boat Tow). Joined the RAF (in the "Millionaires Squadron") and was one of the first American pilots killed in WWII.

A short but incredibly full life. Pretty cool dude!

Posted by: Just Another Moron (Formerly New and Semi-New) at November 30, 2012 05:22 PM (mkb9H)

249 CONS! YOU KNOW NOTHING OF THE HORRORS OF WAR, CONS! NONE OF YOU SERVED YOUR COUNTRY IN AN ANTARCTIC UNIT LIKE I DID, CONS! IT WAS JUST LIKE COMMUNISM, CONS! CONS! YOU ARE ALL CONS, CONS!

I remember when that gay biker gang invaded the 2007 Berkley Furry Convention like it was yesterday, cons. It was horrific, cons. My ass bled for two weeks, cons. Jizz and Astroglide flowed through the aisles like a river, cons. The stench of ballsweat, shit, and fursuits being burnt with cigarettes is something I'll never forget, cons. We were due for a re-supply of Cheetos, Red Bull, and ecstasy, but those damn bikers in their ass-hugging leather chaps were monitoring our Twitter feed and intercepted our convoy of SmartCars, captured our supplies, and had buttsex with the drivers for the rest of the day. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO ENJOY BEING SODOMIZED BY GAY BIKERS WHO ALL LOOK LIKE ROB HALFORD FOR 12 HOURS, CONS?!?!? HAVE YOU HAD YOUR ASS POUNDED UNMERCIFULLY AND GONE WITHOUT ENERGY DRINKS AND ECSTASY FOR AN ENTIRE AFTERNOON, CONS?!?!?!?

As arduous an ordeal as it was, I'm not bitter, cons. I got in contact with the bikers and we hold re-enactments of the battle every weekend, cons. Sometimes the bikers even dress up like Nazis and beat my bare ass with riding crops, cons. Every morning when I put in my buttplug before I go to work my gloryhole I have flashbacks, cons.

Posted by: Lt. Raykon, 99th Ninja Parachuter Pokemon Regiment at November 30, 2012 05:22 PM (edwu9)

250 Some of us have been beyond the glow of street lights. We're quite comfortable there. Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 09:19 PM (svdpV) And you would have your neighborhood burn and have warlords roaming across the land? To prove a political point? I empathize with the LiB sentiment, like saying Fuck Obama, it is a vulgar idea that allows negative energy to vent, but I don't want to actually do that either.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 30, 2012 05:22 PM (jts1f)

251 209 Yeah BCochran that's what I've been saying since the beginning- No USMC he was flying PB4Y-2's, four-engine land-based: Navy version of the B-24 with a single rudder. I have a 1911A1 he traded a marine sergeant who was also on Okinawa a bottle of whisky for. Hardly used. Only later did I think how the sgt. got it- there were probably lots of them laying around the island. They were still cleaning up the other side of the island when my dad's squadron was flying missions- 12 hour patrols- lotta time without sighting land, esp. in 1945

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 05:23 PM (XDC0v)

252 235 227 BC1981, Yeah "just tbis ection" sandy fluck is a bitch ass Nazi whore I'd have helped the Free French shave. We became what we beheld as a nation. This place ain't worth saving. Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 09:18 PM (LRFds) Then what are you still doing here? Why are you still commenting? You should be preparing. Packing. Planning on whatever better country with more potential you're going to move to. You gotta lot of shit to do and 1500 comments a week is taking up way too much of your time.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 05:23 PM (GEICT)

253 Just how fucking hungry am I?

I am eating raw broccoli with lemon juice. Pretty disgusting.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:23 PM (wR+pz)

254 243 BC 1981,

No but if you think you can convince people that think Bawney Fwank is a genius that the founders were right, and the TV and Jon Stewart are lying asshammers have at it.

I gave, I trusted the GOP leadership before I started going rabid on it I tried, I failed.

I can honestly say I am to the point that I would not shed a tear if the 18-24 year olds vanished.

I detest them that much.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:24 PM (LRFds)

255 Now, THAT is fucking hungry!

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 30, 2012 05:24 PM (jts1f)

256 I can honestly say I am to the point that I would not shed a tear if the 18-24 year olds vanished.

I detest them that much.

Well, thank god my youngest is 25!

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:25 PM (wR+pz)

257 2) Replace country. Start fresh.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 05:25 PM (eZgIK)

258 Life is going to get alot harder and that's what pisses me off. I have worked my whole life, since I was 16. I played by the rules and it got me nowhere. That's why I want to go live a fucking cave and tell the rest of the world to fuck off. Alas.. that is not possible, at least not now. I have an elderly mom to worry about, and kids. I honestly think the kids would get it, but poor mom would never understand. So.. I sit here and wait to see what bullshit the government pulls next. And I get sucked into whatever scheme it comes up with.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 30, 2012 05:25 PM (u25eL)

259 @256

And I finished an entire bag of the damn things!

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:26 PM (wR+pz)

260 The only trouble with conspiracy theories about the Titanic is that they require the villains to know: -- that Wilson was going to win the election that fall; -- that World War I was going to happen; -- that the US actually would get involved; -- how it would play out; and oh by the way -- where the goddamned iceberg was. It's like trying to blame the Fukushima meltdown on the Green Party. They may have benefited from it afterwards, but you can hardly claim they caused it.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 30, 2012 05:26 PM (LGG9W)

261 And I finished an entire bag of the damn things!

a "bag" of raw broccoli with lemon juice?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 05:26 PM (d/5qf)

262 Maybe. I fully realize revolution can be messy. History shows that. But people aren't talking about revolution. It's all: 1) Let the motherfucker burn!!!11!!! 2) ?????? 3) Conservative country Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 09:20 PM (GEICT) No, I expect there to be three to four countries in the aftermath. People will move to where they think they belong, pretty much. That is how it should be now, but there is no peaceful way to make it happen. Eventually the separate nations will reunite under the system that worked best. It won't be Socialism.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 05:27 PM (57VGh)

263

Sorry is this already came up

69Apologize for OT - but does anyone know of a site live streaming the UCLA/Stanford game?

http://tinyurl.com/8l66ggg

by the way, that a great site for all sorts of live sports streams

Posted by: Vertov at November 30, 2012 05:27 PM (rRr9n)

264

Well, thank god my youngest is 25!

=====

Yeah that's the problem with broadly wiping out an entire demographic. For instance, there are actually right-wing teachers.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 05:27 PM (85EaA)

265 I can honestly say I am to the point that I would not shed a tear if the 18-24 year olds vanished. ___________ You do know that Romney won 51% of the white Youth Vote?

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2012 05:27 PM (r2PLg)

266 253 BC1981,

You ain't too sparse on the comments either Champ.

I am preparing my next hit of money dropped.

I will gladly leave this stupid, retarded, vile, greedy, lazy nation for whatever comes next that is better.

The majority of the nation decided fuck the next generations I want mine assholes.

Fuck them.

I pray that enough people Run red to start over God willing being left alone in peace.

Barring that I WILL go to Canada if they'll have me and enjoy economic freedom in Alberta.

It takes Capital to move and I am settling accounts and preparing.

I will be goddamned if a coke sniffing asshole from Chicago who gets nponstop blowjobs from the press will steal my work.

Fuck Freeshit Army.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:27 PM (LRFds)

267 218 Revolution? Yes. But not chaos. And that's exactly what will happen if it burns. ======= Interesting....control the burn, you mean? Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ I believe a controlled burn is what the Dem's have been doing to the Constitution for quite some time now.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 30, 2012 05:28 PM (PALjS)

268

I am eating raw broccoli with lemon juice.

Are you cleansing? Studying for an exam?

Posted by: fluffy at November 30, 2012 05:28 PM (3SvjA)

269 266 Tasker,

You know I have been told repeatedly by Chris Matthews I am not allowed to look at race ever?

51% ain't enough.

I'd lose 4 people I love but if you are 18-24 and think that Govt is the answer given how fucked Soc Sec and medicare are you are too stupid to breed.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:28 PM (LRFds)

270 @ 262- I'm waiting for the obscure movie ref.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at November 30, 2012 05:28 PM (h1Nch)

271 Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 09:27 PM (LRFds) *waves goodbye*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 05:29 PM (GEICT)

272 Critical thinking, Trimegistus has it.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 30, 2012 05:29 PM (jts1f)

273 First of all I don't believe sven 'cuz I know him to be a far better person than his recent posts would suggest. And I think bcochran is feeling now what i felt last week and we discussed at the time

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 05:29 PM (XDC0v)

274 Do you know how to stop it?

Time. The collapse of the Soviet Union and rebirth into a fairly functional Russian Federation took under 20 years. They came out the backside better off for having done it.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 05:29 PM (eZgIK)

275 Did you know pickles have no calories? That's what the jar says. I eating those now. Bread and Butter chips!

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:30 PM (wR+pz)

276 251, Why would I be scared of your mythical roaming warlords?

Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 05:30 PM (Da/fK)

277 268 john Stark Dark,

Yup.

About 100 years.

Thanks Woody, of course let's be honest he could never have done it without Abe and teddy.

We had our hand in this as a party too.

The founders left a system that was a perfect little engine, it needed a few adjustments kill slavery and give women the vote.

That's it...but no legislating "pay equality" got to be all the rage.

What the fuck is "income inequality?"

I used to call it..."spend more time getting skills and less getting drunk"

You make your bets and takes your chances.

I hate the electorate.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:31 PM (LRFds)

278

They came out the backside better off for having done it.

======

To the point where they may become a threat again, sooner rather than later.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 05:31 PM (85EaA)

279 We can't destroy Socialism and bring down the Federal Empire because I have tickets the Super Bowl!

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 05:32 PM (57VGh)

280 No USMC he was flying PB4Y-2's, four-engine land-based: Navy version of the B-24 with a single rudder. I have a 1911A1 he traded a marine sergeant who was also on Okinawa a bottle of whisky for. Hardly used. Only later did I think how the sgt. got it- there were probably lots of them laying around the island. They were still cleaning up the other side of the island when my dad's squadron was flying missions- 12 hour patrols- lotta time without sighting land, esp. in 1945 Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 09:23 PM (XDC0v) OK, gotcha. Flying the Privateers. My old man flew PBM's out of Kwajalein and Eniwetok '48-'50 chasing down B-50 crews that had to ditch due to engine fires. Pretty epidemic with P&W R-4360 Wasp Majors. Uncle did his trigger time with the 6th MARDIV on Oki.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 05:32 PM (7U6v/)

281 277 Because warlords prey on the innocent and who would stop them? How do we get from Lord of the Flies to Constitutional republic?

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 05:32 PM (XDC0v)

282 >>>>I can honestly say I am to the point that I would not shed a tear if the 18-24 year olds vanished. This is the US Military. You may not like 'em, but we need 'em.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 30, 2012 05:32 PM (4Mv1T)

283 Wow. Just... Wow.

Sounds like the kinda cheesy crap post-1989 George Lucas would put in an adventure movie. Unbelievable.

I wish someone would make a movie about the B-17 mechanics based at Clark Field in the Philippines who built their own bomber from spare parts after the surviving B-17s were flown to Australia.

The mechanics had to be left behind, so they cobbled together a B-17 from whatever was lying around (the Japanese had bombed the field on December 8, 1941, so there were lots of carcasses available).

Once they had a completed aircraft, they boarded it and figured out how to fly it, every mechanic contributing what he knew about flying by remembering conversations he'd overheard between crew members of his own operational bomber.

Two mechanics were chosen as pilot and copilot, and they took off, navigated the thing to Australia, and landed it safely, all by committee.

Posted by: Llarry at November 30, 2012 05:32 PM (JgHoa)

284 272 BC1981,

waves back with one finger.

as if you can shame me.

There is NO SHAME the nation elected a shit stirrer with less than 1/3 a fucking senate term twice to devour the wealth of the frugal.

FUCK them all.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:33 PM (LRFds)

285 Billy Bob- There is a Hardees, and it's only like 25-30 minutes away.

Posted by: Just Another Moron (Formerly New and Semi-New) at November 30, 2012 05:34 PM (mkb9H)

286 Um. The 19th A was a huge mistake.

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 05:34 PM (I2LwF)

287 wow, I am really drunk already, and it's not even ONT time.
whoa.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 05:35 PM (d/5qf)

288 Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 09:33 PM (LRFds) There's no shame here. Not even sarcasm. You wanna go, go. I encourage it in fact. If you feel that's what's best for you and yours, fine. Good luck. Have at it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 05:35 PM (GEICT)

289 The Russian Federation is a serious economic competitor, not a military one. They got more than enough problems on their borders to keep the Russian military busy for a very long time.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 05:35 PM (eZgIK)

290 283 Tobacco Road,

No we don't need 'em.

Chicago jesus says so and by Jesus plenty here did as well back in 2010.

I remember the shutdown threads and the general apathy from the nation when Barry refused to pay the force four fucking times.

Those 18-24 year olds are honorary 40 year olds.

Assholes like the 22 year old fucker at my old shop who unashamedly think they should get 1/3d a bankers' pay for a job requiring a lean driving record.....

yeah not so much.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:35 PM (LRFds)

291 277 251, Why would I be scared of your mythical roaming warlords? Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 09:30 PM (Da/fK) If you are sufficiently prepared, equipped, and train you should have nothing to fear. And your right, warlords never materialize where chaos reigns. We already have them in the collapsed inner cities.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 30, 2012 05:35 PM (jts1f)

292 Oh Jesus fucking god sideways on a Popsicle stick, can we not have a vaginal bleeding contest right the fuck now? We are the only ones we can trust. Fucking whizzing on each others asses is not going to fucking being back America. Stay together and don't fucking lose your heads over who posts more and who has a more fruitful uterus.

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 05:36 PM (I2LwF)

293 288 ChemJeff,

If I could handle it without being a felony in waiting I'd have had you beat.

I went people watching today in an area that went Blue here in Indiana.

I am not in love with the fact those people beat me.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:36 PM (LRFds)

294 #281 "My old man flew PBM's out of Kwajalein and Eniwetok '48-'50 chasing down B-50 crews that had to ditch due to engine fires." Haha I was talking to this old geezer at the market who was flying Catalinas in the Phillipines. On the way home after the war they flew back to Pearl and it took them 7 DAYS because the Cats were like 110 mph top speed. Seven days just to get as far as Pearl... the Pacific is very large

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 05:36 PM (XDC0v)

295 What about the nuke silos?

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 05:36 PM (85EaA)

296 I must say, I do have students in my class who feel like they are entitled to a good grade just because they put a lot of effort in. I have a hard time feeling sympathy for them. And I can't help but thinking that they are probably Obama voters.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 05:36 PM (d/5qf)

297 Again, mythical roaming warlords. it's the voice of a terrified suburbanite. The government needs to keep those inner city people out!! I live in a closely knit quasi-rural area that is heavily armed and agriculturally self-sufficient. Roaming warlords are target practice for the sheriff's men at the roadblocks.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 05:37 PM (Da/fK)

298 Maybe. I fully realize revolution can be messy. History shows that. But people aren't talking about revolution. It's all: 1) Let the motherfucker burn!!!11!!! 2) ?????? 3) Conservative country Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 09:20 PM (GEICT) Collapse and let it burn does not necessarily mean some sort of Mad Max scenario. It means the system that funds the Federal Empire collapses and the folks that feed off it from top to bottom are set adrift. If decent and well-armed folks are ready and see it coming they can avert all that warlord stuff. The other option to making things fall and trying to control the outcome is to sit back and do nothing as you are enslaved or the system collapses in such a way that no recovery is possible. And if you think getting more GOP ass-lickers into office is going to save the day, well, wanna buy a watch?

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 05:37 PM (57VGh)

299 Stay together and don't fucking lose your heads over who posts more and who has a more fruitful uterus. Don't be talkin bout my damn uterus yo.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 05:37 PM (GEICT)

300 who has a more fruitful uterus.

Did somebody call me?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 30, 2012 05:37 PM (d/5qf)

301 >>>Why would I be scared of your mythical roaming warlords? You must spend all your time on the right side of the tracks.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 30, 2012 05:38 PM (GE1+K)

302

What is this strawman shit about Let It Burn? I'll own the aftermath of the burn, and Republicrats can own what got us there. There won't be chaos, there will be a slow 10-year smolder just like the last 4 years.

It's burning now, deal with it.

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at November 30, 2012 05:38 PM (jTKU5)

303 The enemy is out there...closing in!!

Posted by: Caesar Rodney in 1776 at November 30, 2012 05:38 PM (85EaA)

304 Winter is coming.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 05:39 PM (QupBk)

305 Time. The collapse of the Soviet Union and rebirth into a fairly functional Russian Federation took under 20 years. They came out the backside better off for having done it. Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 09:29 PM (eZgIK) That's the most likely outcome I see. But, we will no longer be one nation. I see two entities on the coasts and one big group in the middle and the South. Over a generation or two, the middle country would take over the coasts as they will eventually fall. The only wild card is outside land grabbing (Russia, China, Islamofucks) during the confusion.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 05:39 PM (7U6v/)

306 Maybe your home may be defensible (to what extent Mr. Maginot?) but a lot of good people's aren't or wouldn't be.

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 05:40 PM (XDC0v)

307 How 'bout the Yankee capitol as target 1?. With NYC as the backup?

Posted by: Boomer Redneque knows Mohammad was a goat-fucking kiddie-raper at November 30, 2012 05:40 PM (eQnzo)

308 If I could handle it without being a felony in waiting I'd have had you beat.

Bl@zer, is that you?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 05:40 PM (d/5qf)

309 Roaming warlords are target practice for the sheriff's men at the roadblocks.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 09:37 PM (Da/fK)

In a total collapse, the sheriff is likely to be the warlord.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 30, 2012 05:40 PM (iK4hL)

310 Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 09:37 PM (57VGh) 47% right? That means setting adrift somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 million. (I think) That's a guaranteed recipe for chaos. I've never said anything about sending more Repub bitches to DC. I think we should give the lot of them the boot and get some rope for a good portion.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 05:40 PM (GEICT)

311 282 DAve,

I've explained the best bet we have if we are forced by the world to stay here.

You know how angry I am we are expected to let the entire planet move here with a song int heir heart and hope in their eyes and NOBODY wants Americans unless we are PhDs or wealthy or machinists or tradesmen.

I'd run into walls for a boss who paid fair in a nation that did not subsidize sloth.

I'm sorry I am in a foul mood tonight.

BC you and I are mostly allies but YOU have decided that those of us who accept the majority WANTS to torch it, and no longer feel ANY obligation to stop the assholes from killing themselves are "less than decent people" or something.

You are a far better "American" than i am now I suppose.

The thing is I look at what "American' is and don't even know why I am bothered anymore that you seem to imply that.

If Obama and kos are "our best" I could give two fucks about the race itself anymore.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:41 PM (LRFds)

312 Stockpile shoulder pads and hockey masks.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 05:41 PM (QupBk)

313 >>>Roaming warlords are target practice for the sheriff's men at the roadblocks. Bwuahahaha! Yes that's why most western states had Ranger companies. Because local law enforcement worked great against mobile threats in rural environments.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 30, 2012 05:41 PM (GE1+K)

314 I do have students in my class who feel like they are entitled to a good grade just because they put a lot of effort in

Use the engineer analogy. Suppose someone puts enormous effort into designing a bridge/building, a truly herculean effort, thousands and thousands of man hours...

...and then the bridge/building collapses and kills hundreds of people.

After they graduate, and get out in the field, ALL the "tests" they encounter for the rest of their life are OPEN BOOK, but failing one will kill people or cost vast sums of money.

In the real world, you can't bribe/cheat mother nature

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 05:42 PM (eZgIK)

315 310 Roaming warlords are target practice for the sheriff's men at the roadblocks.Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 09:37 PM (Da/fK)In a total collapse, the sheriff is likely to be the warlord. Posted by: Grey Fox at November 30, 2012 09:40 PM _ _ _ _ or....the warlord is likely to be the sheriff.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 30, 2012 05:42 PM (PALjS)

316 Just enough scotch now that facts will elude me, but would it be accurate to say that the last two generations (boomers and their kids) have had no occasion to rise too?? I never wish for war, as I have 16 and 20 year olds, but is not WWII the very thing that made our parents the greatest generation. What would they have been if that war had not occurred? Just wondering.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 30, 2012 05:42 PM (4Mv1T)

317 Make sure that your doom-mobile is diesel powered.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 05:43 PM (QupBk)

318 309 ChemJeff,

nah...rest his soul.

I don't have an "off now" switch.

I'm gonna jet I think.

I got so focused on trying to help spouse and her shop with the war effort I lost sight of the fact I lost the nation.

This anger ain't leaving on its own.

The kids REALLY think i want to force them to get pregnant and that Obama has a skittle shitting unicorn.

I give up and will try to move, endure, or die unmourned.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:43 PM (LRFds)

319 We're beating the fuck out of each other because we don't know exactly how the end is coming. It's like a horror movie when one testosterone case kills another one for no good reason. All we know at this point is the zombies are out there and we need warm bodies to man the shotguns. I commend Sven for his prepping. I commend BCochran for his optimism. I commend both of you for your passion. We need all three.

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 05:43 PM (RP9fo)

320

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 09:42 PM (eZgIK)

I try, I really do. I explain to them that I am attempting to prepare them so that when they go to grad school/professional school/wherever, that they don't come off as a total dumbass. It works on some, but not all.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 05:43 PM (d/5qf)

321 Lmao The suburbanites don't understand. It's the federal government subsidies that allow inner cities to be what they are. Mike, I've spent much time on the wrong side of the tracks. Which is why I laugh at these ideas of roaming warlords. It screams "I live in suburbia and minorities are SCARY!!"

Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 05:44 PM (AjH+Y)

322 295 #281 "My old man flew PBM's out of Kwajalein and Eniwetok '48-'50 chasing down B-50 crews that had to ditch due to engine fires." Haha I was talking to this old geezer at the market who was flying Catalinas in the Phillipines. On the way home after the war they flew back to Pearl and it took them 7 DAYS because the Cats were like 110 mph top speed. Seven days just to getas far asPearl... the Pacific is very large Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 09:36 PM (XDC0v) Heh...That slipped my mind about the PBY's airspeed. Yeah, 110-115 tops. A lot of people just don't realize how enormous the Pacific is. One of my old fantasies was to get rated in an amphip (PBY, J2F, etc) and spend about 3 years flying around the South Pacific goofing off. Then reality hit.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 05:45 PM (7U6v/)

323 slanty?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 05:45 PM (d/5qf)

324 312 "BC you and I are mostly allies but YOU have decided that those of us who accept the majority WANTS to torch it, and no longer feel ANY obligation to stop the assholes from killing themselves are "less than decent people" or something." NO, sven, that's why I SAID I knew you to be better than what you were appearing- I KNOW you to be FAR BEYOND decent- that's why I'm so perturbed by your relatively long-lived foul mood and my inability at least so far to do anything about it

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 05:45 PM (XDC0v)

325 174 The titanic, like a few other events in history, is one of those things that --the more you learn about it-- the more the conspiracy theories send a chill down your spine as making sense. No titanic sinking, no federal reserve, income tax, direct election of senators, or US involvement in WW1. No, there wasn't a conspiracy. It was more like a confluence of events. The 1911 Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, the 1912 sinking of the Titanic, and the 1913 Ludlow Massacre all fed into the general sense that capitalism was inhumane and that progressivism/socialism was the solution for it.

Posted by: rickl at November 30, 2012 05:46 PM (sdi6R)

326 286 Billy Bob- There is a Hardees, and it's only like 25-30 minutes away.

No Hardees in CLT, all in the burbs. Now there IS a chick fil a about 2 miles from my house, but fried is not on the diet. Damn.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:46 PM (wR+pz)

327

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 05:46 PM (QupBk)

328 BC sincerely I apologize.

You have the answers great show me.

I have none.

Either everything I know about morals, economics, and military power/readiness and world affairs is wrong or the US is full of retards who picked an idiot to finish us off.

Either way I am sick to my stomach about 655 of the time I allow myself to ponder things.

I started working when I was 10, I had a real job at 14 the minute I could be hired.

Until I cranked back to be primary caregiver and work spotty I was out of work 6 months in 17 years.

One of my favorite actors is in a 'comedy" about a guy who grifts disability.

I have no idea who we are anymore.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:46 PM (LRFds)

329 WWII staved off socialism here, at a cost of millions of lives. Am I wrong?

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 05:46 PM (85EaA)

330

Posted by: rickl at November 30, 2012 05:46 PM (sdi6R)

331 fix

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:46 PM (wR+pz)

332 SHIT! *looks at barrel*

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 05:47 PM (7U6v/)

333 Roaming warlords are target practice for the sheriff's men at the roadblocks. Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 09:37 PM (Da/fK) Like I said, if you are prepared, equipped, and trained, you have nothing to fear. However, the denial of the ugly realities of pretty much every widespread extended societal collapse (LiB) in the history of mankind strikes me as leaning too far into the wind.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 30, 2012 05:47 PM (jts1f)

334 Sheriff becomes the warlord? Ideally. Around these parts he and the deputies are good men, most the time. Now you suburbanite clowns are starting to use your brains instead of defaulting to "panic! The government must do something!"

Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 05:47 PM (ThQzX)

335 Sven You're really hurting. I'm so sorry.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 30, 2012 05:47 PM (0PiQ4)

336 47% right? That means setting adrift somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 million. (I think) That's a guaranteed recipe for chaos. I've never said anything about sending more Repub bitches to DC. I think we should give the lot of them the boot and get some rope for a good portion. Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 09:40 PM (GEICT) Your use of scale is off. Yeah, that 150 million set adrift. Some will convert. But, it isn't 150 million to one, you know. If you think GOP folks should be strung up, you should think carefully before you denounce LIB folks.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 05:47 PM (57VGh)

337 not so slanty

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 05:47 PM (d/5qf)

338 gomen asai

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 05:47 PM (7U6v/)

339 Whew. I thought I had to go into the barrel for a minute there.

Posted by: rickl at November 30, 2012 05:47 PM (sdi6R)

340
   Can't let it burn. That oath I took won't allow it.

    Whatever it takes, here I am until there is no more.

   I CAN make a difference at my local level, and THAT is where the effort will be concentrated.

Does not matter how long or hard, there it is.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 30, 2012 05:47 PM (SAMxH)

341

Â“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.Â” - John Locke

- Absolved.

Posted by: Just Another Moron (Formerly New and Semi-New) at November 30, 2012 05:47 PM (mkb9H)

342 I used to live in the Netherlands. One Saturday morning in 1977, I went by streetcar from Rijswijk to the Hague to go to a hobby shop that sold rare, out-of-production British model kits. When I got to the store, it was closed but would open in fifteen minutes. So I ambled around in the covered pedestrian mall, waiting.

Approaching a store, I saw an old man in front, washing the window. He was whistling an intricate classical piece and seemed really happy. As I approached him, he turned and said "Good morning! Isn't it beautiful?" in Dutch. I responded. He smiled and went back to his window.

His sleeves were rolled up. On his left forearm was a Nazi death-camp tattoo.

Whenever I feel that my problems are overwhelming, I think of that old man.

Posted by: Llarry at November 30, 2012 05:48 PM (JgHoa)

343 Chuck Hagel (R) is the likely replacement at Sec of Defense according to the AP.

Obama's centrist position is firmly established.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 30, 2012 05:48 PM (TZWbv)

344 This LiB stuff has us ALL in uncharted territory and I think for most of us a place we never thought we'd be-

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 05:48 PM (XDC0v)

345 Obama has a skittle shitting unicorn. Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 09:43 PM Why didn't anyone tell me...where are all my free skittles at?

Posted by: Yo Mamma at November 30, 2012 05:49 PM (PALjS)

346 Chuck Hagel can blow me.

He was a RINO somewhere to the left of Linc Chafee.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 05:49 PM (d/5qf)

347 There are two things that give me hope.

First, fracking and energy independence, Barry will have to let that happen.

Second, recent story linked at Insty, about how China will not be able to feed itself in a few years. They are addicted to our soybeans and corn and that will not go away.

What does this mean? The Red states are going to bail out the coastal states yet again.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:49 PM (wR+pz)

348 Obama's centrist position is firmly established. I laughed out loud.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 05:50 PM (QupBk)

349 #341 ten points for perspective

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 05:50 PM (XDC0v)

350 320 I commend Sven for his prepping. I commend BCochran for his optimism. I commend both of you for your passion. We need all three. Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 09:43 PM (RP9fo) I'm actually attempting all three. My great grandfather had a great saying, "Prepare for the worst, hope for the best and you'll never be surprised." Will It burn? Maybe. Possibly. We are even hedging towards likely IMO. But I refuse to let that be the goal. I refuse to encourage it. I refuse to quit on this country. I choose to fight in whatever manner I can, large or small. I've said it before, the Spartans had it right, "With your shield or on it." This country, this world, is sorely needing of Honor. If I stand aside, if I encourage, how can I look at myself as anything but part of the problem?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 05:50 PM (GEICT)

351 It works on some, but not all.

Get some pics of a meth cook house gone bad. The local PD probably has some.

Show them to the hard cases. Some people are visual learners. Scorched corpses, and blown up shit are pretty persuasive visual aids.

Chemistry ain't like plumbing where if you fuck up bad, someone just gets wet.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 05:50 PM (eZgIK)

352 330 WWII staved off socialism here, at a cost of millions of lives. Am I wrong?

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 09:46 PM (85EaA)

Completely.

Ever heard of Stalin and the Iron Curtain?

Ever heard of FDR and the New Deal?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:51 PM (wR+pz)

353 Obama is a "centrist"...compared to say Pol Pot.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 05:51 PM (eZgIK)

354 okay, that is the end.

time for bed, even if it is only 9 PM here.

good night all

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 05:52 PM (d/5qf)

355 325 DAve,

Dave thanks.

I am sorry.

I do try to be decent, but decency is simply an avenue of attack for the people who are willfully driving the train off the tracks.

Were it in my power I would save everyone, as it now stands I can see it very possibly being finally that I can save no one.

I joined the Army to fight communism and it LOOKED gone.

I decided Saddam could stunt double.

My wife joined in 1997 and she decided that radical islam was a big enough threat to endure soldiering that I cannot truly comprehend.

The restraint we DEMAND of the kids now....totally alien to me and I probably could never do it.

I am out of answers, and I fear that the internal GOP war means I will in a cowardly fashion cede politics like I ceded the classroom in my youth.

I now KNOW that my inability to endure political correctness has defacto enslaved a generation of kids to Bill Ayers.

I am mad at the US but mostly I am ashamed of myself.
I went blue collar, wasted a degree path I had almost finished and hid behind hard physical work because I lack the self control to force myself to deal with adverse intellectual venues.

I may have lost my nation to communists without their ever firing a shot at me and I fear my grandkids hating me if/when I am graced with them.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:52 PM (LRFds)

356 So a platform that shoots 5.56 can handle .223, but not vice versa...right?

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 05:52 PM (85EaA)

357 So a platform that shoots 5.56 can handle .223, but not vice versa...right? That's how it's been explained to me.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 05:53 PM (QupBk)

358 I have no idea who we are anymore. Then fight man! Don't quit. Don't run! We need every person we can get.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 05:53 PM (GEICT)

359 Whenever I feel that my problems are overwhelming, I think of that old man. Posted by: Llarry at November 30, 2012 09:48 PM (JgHoa) Thing is Llarry, he was able to be whistling happy because we existed. If not, he would have glumly been whistling the Internationale.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 05:53 PM (7U6v/)

360 BB- I am also a Charlottean. I saw, about a month ago, when I really was a Newb, a thread about the Chickies in the Hardees ads. And your comment about none being close. I think the closest to me is on I-85 past the airport, at Little Rock. And I live off of Sardis.

Posted by: Just Another Moron (Formerly New and Semi-New) at November 30, 2012 05:54 PM (mkb9H)

361 @357

Here you go.

http://tinyurl.com/cl53vvm

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:54 PM (wR+pz)

362 O/T UCLA/STAN tied 14 each at halftime.

In my youth, I admired Joe Paterno. About 20 years ago I realized that he was a flaming asshole. How you ask?

He never let the player's name be put on the backs of their jerseys.

Oh I know. There is no "I" in "TEAM".

Bullshit. As humans we are given names. We are not numbers. We have names.
Joe Paterno was an asshole.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 05:55 PM (V70Uh)

363 sven, not lost YET- and yes, 357, a 5.56 chamber will handle a .223... although after a .223 chamber has seen a few hundred rounds it'll take 5.56, my friends insist who do it all the time...

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 05:55 PM (XDC0v)

364

may have lost my nation to communists without their ever firing a shot at me and I fear my grandkids hating me if/when I am graced with them.

NO, bro. It is not your fault. We have been swamped by a system we assumed was working on our behalf. We were duped. And in this the GOP is worse than the RATS. If possible I hate them more.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 05:55 PM (85EaA)

365 343 LLarry,

There's a school district in florida requiring kids to buy lunch with their palm print.

The NHS has their oven training wheels on with born babies declared "untermenshen" being killed off.

We ain't there yet, but I suspect Barry has dreams from Daddy about IPAB.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 05:55 PM (LRFds)

366 Your use of scale is off. Yeah, that 150 million set adrift. Some will convert. But, it isn't 150 million to one, you know. If you think GOP folks should be strung up, you should think carefully before you denounce LIB folks. 150mil kicked to the curb is fuckin dangerous man, no matter the odds. Sorry, I retread and worded that improperly. I didn't mean just the R's, I meant DC elected officials as a whole. And yeah, there's a lot of R's that should have their shit kicked in for what they've done.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 05:57 PM (GEICT)

367 Sharks "Doll's eyes"

Posted by: Fox2! at November 30, 2012 05:57 PM (1Qpmy)

368 Hardly any AR makers claim to make a .223 upper anymore anyways

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 05:58 PM (XDC0v)

369 @361

That sounds right, I am in Eastover. I'd go to Cotswald for Chick fil a before I drove to the ghetto. At Cotswald I would also stop by the new KK donut shop!

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 05:58 PM (wR+pz)

370 So Chuck Hagel does not quite have the war boner of a Dickless Cheney? (repeated draft dodger).

Is that what you guys are saying?

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 30, 2012 05:58 PM (TZWbv)

371 Sven, I sincerely advise you to step away from keyboard, have a beer, and take a walk around the block.

All of us here understand your feelings but from the outside it's clear you're working yourself into a frenzy of anger, frustration, despair and a little self-loathing. Nothing good ever comes from this. And ranting about it on the internet doesn't help either. Take some time off, do something different for while. The country and all of us will still be here in a few weeks.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 30, 2012 05:59 PM (XkotV)

372 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper Behold the power of a public school education.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 05:59 PM (QupBk)

373 The local sheriff would be a minor inconvenience to any concerted effort from any of the urban street gangs L.A. Co Sheriff can't contain.

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 06:00 PM (XDC0v)

374 In the real world, you can't bribe/cheat mother nature Posted by: @PurpAv at November 30, 2012 09:42 PM (eZgIK) Nooooooo. Mother Nature is very cruel and absolutely heartless. Glad hearts and noble intentions get you killed. Knowledge and improvisation lets you survive and thrive. If nothing else, always carry a multi-tool and waterproof matches. You can eventually steal the rest that you need. A good dog is always a bonus.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 06:00 PM (7U6v/)

375

This LiB stuff has us ALL in uncharted territory and I think for most of us a place we never thought we'd be-

This.

Fuckin Chinese and there interesting times.

Posted by: fluffy at November 30, 2012 06:01 PM (3SvjA)

376 When the Federal Government collapses, don't be surprised to see some State governments rise to meet the challenge while others fail.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 06:01 PM (V70Uh)

377 ha ha or visit justrage.com.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2012 06:01 PM (85EaA)

378 335Sheriff becomes the warlord?

Ideally. Around these parts he and the deputies are good men, most the time.

Now you suburbanite clowns are starting to use your brains instead of defaulting to "panic! The government must do something!"

Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 09:47 PM (ThQzX)

Kings come in good models and bad models. Mostly indifferent to bad.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 30, 2012 06:01 PM (iK4hL)

379 Then fight man! Don't quit. Don't run! We need every person we can get. Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 09:53 PM (GEICT) Let it burn is fighting. To me the true founding document for the USA is the Declaration of Independence. Revolution, war, sacrifice, destruction, all for a few simple ideas. The Constitution is secondary. It is just a framework for how to be free and orderly at the same time. It is a failure. Take it all down and rebuild. And guess what, it does not matter if you like let it burn or not, it will happen anyway. You only get a chance to steer the outcome a bit and to prepare for the recovery. The more you shout "Fight!" to preserve our present system and somehow make it better the more you make things worse.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 06:01 PM (57VGh)

380 It screams "I live in suburbia and minorities are SCARY!!" Posted by: Hopeless at November 30, 2012 09:44 PM (AjH+Y) Hurling insults at strangers is an incredibly easy way to be dead wrong. Back on topic, for what its worth, I think that 'it' will in fact eventually burn, at least to some degree. I have been preparing for some time. However, I think the gleeful, "let's have a weenie roast" mentality fails to sufficiently take into account the lessons of history. That is all.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 30, 2012 06:01 PM (jts1f)

381 Awww, fluffy. That sucks. Barrel.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 06:02 PM (GEICT)

382 #372 Maet may be right- ain't nothing here that needs to be resolved tonight or this weekend or this week.

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 06:02 PM (XDC0v)

383 I believe a premature barrel call is also a 1 internetz fine.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 06:02 PM (QupBk)

384 372 Maet,

Thanks, I will I was.

The abortion thread got me sucked back in.

I am paying off the Purple PT Cruiser of doom tomorrow and may square up all my outstanding credit but the mortgage.

If anyone wants a house in indy metro let me know I will literally hand you 3 gs to take her I suspect.

I apologize and I will be around some, but I need to clear my head.

I am not supposed to feel that the only way to save economic liberty and the founding priciples is break up.

I have been in fistfights down south over their rebellion in my youth for God's sakes.

The American people if they choose to embrace what barack is selling are no longer Washington's honorary children IMHO.

I feel sick.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 06:03 PM (LRFds)

385 Behold the power of a public school education.

Posted by: toby928Â© for TB at November 30, 2012 09:59 PM (QupBk)

The paper just announced the poverty level in CLT schools. 54% of all kids K-12 qualify for free meals. The highest? 97% in an elementary school in a democrat area. The lowest 11%. Those are bussed in, that HS school is 100% in a Republican area.

Pretty sad. Public schools are warehouses that teach little democrats that everything is free, just show up.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 06:03 PM (wR+pz)

386 I CAN make a difference at my local level, and THAT is where the effort will be concentrated. Does not matter how long or hard, there it is. Posted by: irongrampa at November 30, 2012 09:47 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __________________________________________________________-- Agreed, And I really do get inspired by your comments, as I know a lot of others around here do as well. I will work at the local level to promote conservative principals and ethics and morality as well, but at the same time, the let it burn crowd is saying, we need to let them hang themselves with their own policies.... we need to take the actions that will expedite their complete failure. We are talking about the same thing, just through varying methods. cause our ground game is an utter disaster. ____ ____ The additional collateral damage may be that shit actually starts to burn. But as post 342 quotes an excellent passage from John Locke, things are so bad, that we have to start doing something rather than sitting around waiting for things to change with the help of the failed liberal leaders in the GOP. the game is now fixed, with the media and other institutions controlling the minds of the youth and the weakminded, we can either keep acting as the week 2nd place team, or change the game. ____ ____ We aren't talking about a horrific mad max, post-armeggedon scenario, atleast I am not, perhaps others are talking about a complete meltdown. I want to take the house that's already unfire and let it burn, to expose the failing policies that they are already using to burn the system down. Right now they are making it look like it is the conservatives doing it....when it has been them with the help of liberals in conservative clothing. Let it burn, the sooner the better, and be prepared to face the blowback that ensues.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 30, 2012 06:03 PM (PALjS)

387 Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 10:01 PM (57VGh) Then you and I simply disagree my friend. Damn. That reeked of McLame.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 06:03 PM (GEICT)

388

Barrel.

Gotta do my part.

Posted by: fluffy at November 30, 2012 06:03 PM (3SvjA)

389 Don't know how that space showed up?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 06:04 PM (wR+pz)

390 Based on my observations here I can almost guarantee that at this point LIB means something different to everyone who considers it, which is why we spend so much time talking past each other with our idiosyncratic definitions.

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 06:05 PM (XDC0v)

391 Back in 2008, one of Indy's sailors died. His grandson serving aboard USS Ohio was allowed to bury his grandfather with his long departed shipmates.
http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2008/10/rejoining-shipmates.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 30, 2012 06:06 PM (Mnvm/)

392 Wow. sven, relax. Go to church. We all die. Live a decent life and be true to your values. Rome fell. We will too. Love your neighbor in spite of everything. Don't hate. Only love. Nature (and liberals) want us dead. God wants us to live.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 06:06 PM (V70Uh)

393 384 I believe a premature barrel call is also a 1 internetz fine. Posted by: toby928Â© for TB at November 30, 2012 10:02 PM (QupBk) Wait, Fluffy's whole comment is in Italian. That's the barrel, correct?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 06:06 PM (GEICT)

394 Based on my observations here I can almost guarantee that at this point LIB means something different to everyone who considers it Yep.

Posted by: toby928© at November 30, 2012 06:08 PM (QupBk)

395 There's a school district in florida requiring kids to buy lunch with their palm print.

The NHS has their oven training wheels on with born babies declared "untermenshen" being killed off.

We ain't there yet, but I suspect Barry has dreams from Daddy about IPAB.

We're a long, long way from death camps.

I don't compare our current situation with that of people who survived Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, Sobibor, and Treblinka.

If you took a time machine back to 1944 and asked an inmate of Auschwitz if he or she wanted to stay there or come to Obama's America, what do you think they'd say?

Perspective is useful.

Posted by: Llarry at November 30, 2012 06:08 PM (JgHoa)

396 Sven, we've locked horns plenty of times and disagree on plenty I'm sure, but even if you don't believe me (which is fine), I sincerely wish you the best of luck in whatever you intend to do and I hope you find peace in it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 06:09 PM (GEICT)

397

BB - Yep. That Krispy Kreme is 5 minutes away. Hot. Fresh. Now. But teh Mrs. has "forbade" them in our new diet (the girls in the office buy them, though, which is nice). We did have NY Strips for supper though. Harris-Teeter Valu-Rite this weekend.

- That and 12 Ga. 00's from Dick's. Being "suburban" and whatnot.

Posted by: Just Another Moron (Formerly New and Semi-New) at November 30, 2012 06:09 PM (mkb9H)

398 395 We also take up WAY too much space and time discussing banning, since we seem to each have our own standards about that too

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 06:09 PM (XDC0v)

399 341 Can't let it burn. That oath I took won't allow it. Whatever it takes, here I am until there is no more. I CAN make a difference at my local level, and THAT is where the effort will be concentrated. Does not matter how long or hard, there it is. Posted by: irongrampa at November 30, 2012 09:47 I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the lawful orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 30, 2012 06:10 PM (jts1f)

400 Holy moly.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at November 30, 2012 06:12 PM (atlWY)

401 Ask yourself how many cops and soldiers will refuse to fire on Americans if refusing means they will lose their pensions

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 06:13 PM (XDC0v)

402 400 341 Can't let it burn. That oath I took won't allow it. Whatever it takes, here I am until there is no more. I CAN make a difference at my local level, and THAT is where the effort will be concentrated. Does not matter how long or hard, there it is. Posted by: irongrampa at November 30, 2012 09:47 I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the lawful orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. Commendable, sirs. I took it, too. Local level, within the State, is the only place that can make a difference.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 06:13 PM (7U6v/)

403 I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same: Took it- a coupla times

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 06:15 PM (XDC0v)

404 377 When the Federal Government collapses, don't be surprised to see some State governments rise to meet the challenge while others fail. Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 10:01 PM (V70Uh) I can see that. That, is where I shall go.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 06:15 PM (7U6v/)

405 Nu thread up

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 06:16 PM (XDC0v)

406 ONT up

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 30, 2012 06:16 PM (wR+pz)

407 I define LIB as stand back and do nothing while it burns. Little does anyone think that the Bill of Rights will not survive the downfall of the Republic.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2012 06:16 PM (V70Uh)

408 The more you shout "Fight!" to preserve our present system and somehow make it better the more you make things worse.

There's a happy medium between preserving the system as it is and blowing up the whole thing.

Beware what you wish for. Having been born and raised in a lawless Third World country, I don't think you quite know what's in store for us if "let it burn" becomes the dominant philosophy.

What inevitably happens is that "let it burn" gets extended to individuals, not just institutions. In Somalia and Liberia, people take what they want by force, and society is divided into two strata: predators and prey.

You may think you're prepared for letting it all burn, but I'm betting that you really aren't. And since it's unnecessary, it's not helpful to wish for it.

Posted by: Llarry at November 30, 2012 06:17 PM (JgHoa)

409 382 Awww, fluffy. That sucks. Barrel. Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 10:02 PM (GEICT) Free at last, free at last..............

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 06:18 PM (7U6v/)

410 The Battle of Savo Sound was a disaster. Marines had just gone ashore. From Rabaul the Japanese sortied a strong force. At night this force slipped by the DD USS Blue and another DD. Both cans were at the opposite ends of their patrols and the IJN cruisers slipped between their radar scopes. So the first warning men aboard USS Vicennes, HMAS Canberra, and other ships was when the IJN cruisers opened fire. It was a massacre and start of calling it Iron Bottom Sound.

Oct Admiral Scott took a cruiser force to oppose the Tokyo Express and managed to derail it. In Nov Scott was involved in CA/DD duel with the IJN. This was the infamous call of cease fire because the US formation got messed up and Scott though US ships were firing on each other. By the end of this battle, Adm Scott would be dead and his flagship USS San Francisco had taken more than 20 hits.

Then there was the BB duel between USS Washington and USS South Dakota under the command of Admiral Lee. Prelude to this combat, according to one source, he told the Peter Tares to back off and his name was 'Chinese Catchee.' The two US BBs slugged it out with the IJN BBs Hiei and Kirishima.

There were also pure DD duels. Ainsworth, Moosbrugger, and Burke. From one of these combats Arleigh Burke got the nickname '31-knot Burke.'

As for USS New Orleans. IIRC from 'And Pass the Ammunition' which was written by New Orleans chaplain, after Tassafaronga, a temporary wooden bow was fitted in theatre before she returned home for repairs. The concussion of the torpedo hit that tore away the bow and No. 1 turret killed the entire gun crew of No. 2 turret. After the battle sailors from other divisions manned No.2 turret.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 30, 2012 06:20 PM (Mnvm/)

411 I'll try to work through it.

I'd take all y'all into my compound.

IronGrampa you and I are a lot more in alignment than many'd think.

Get your money national...fortify the local and state.

Not one more strep left.

God bless and keep y'all.

Night.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 06:22 PM (LRFds)

412 I also took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, for my first job, which was as a part term clerk for the Department of Education at a local state college. I have always tried to live up to this, it made me interested enough to read and understand the Constitution for what it is, and not just from what I dimly remembered from Social Studies class. It lead me to take up online activism in the name of the Tea Party in its earliest hours, and I will continue to honor this oath, because when all else is lost, the only thing you have left is your principles. If the Republic falls, I will still follow my oath, and do my best to see whatever we replace it with established on Constitutional principles. If it does not fall, I will continue my roving, random support for the Constitution in all the unlikely places I go until this country has returned to principle and cast out the politics of career building at the expense of the people.

Posted by: Cato at November 30, 2012 06:24 PM (VYJ5B)

413 374 The local sheriff would be a minor inconvenience to any concerted effort from any of the urban street gangs L.A. Co Sheriff can't contain.

Posted by: DAve at November 30, 2012 10:00 PM (XDC0v)

Well, the L.A. Co. Sheriff is handicapped by this little thing called "due process". He can't just up and shoot all the gang-bangers, as much has he might like to.

But in a LiB scenario, when central authority has broken down, and there is no functioning court system, then the County Sheriff who is faced with an invasion of urban gang-bangers will have no such restrictions on him. He and his posse will simply shoot, shovel, and shut up.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2012 06:39 PM (pFqpP)

414 Whoa, late to the party . . . how are all you faptastic fuckers doin' tonight?

Posted by: Peaches at November 30, 2012 06:42 PM (kpCLl)

415 Oops, my bad, wrong thread, thought I was on the ONT. Do forgive . . .

Posted by: Peaches at November 30, 2012 06:42 PM (kpCLl)

416

"Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors"

Japs thought they were up against degenerates who would not fight to the death. Error.

Posted by: sherlock at November 30, 2012 06:57 PM (f29LO)

417 297 I must say, I do have students in my class who feel like they are entitled to a good grade just because they put a lot of effort in. I have a hard time feeling sympathy for them. And I can't help but thinking that they are probably Obama voters. Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2012 09:36 PM (d/5qf) ~~~~~ Yeah I get that too. My answer is they are entitled to the grade they have earned. They hate that. But the way I figure it is without chemist and chemistry they'll never get into whatever program they want or think they want. Most that do the whining are your premeddies. Another great group of whiners are your older ladies who want to be a nurse but cannot handle Nursing chemistry; a calculator scares them. They get all pissy and wonder why they cannot get into Nursing, yet they care so much. They really hate it when I tell them caring don't mean a damn if you are injecting your patient with the wrong concentration of material. Chemistry has always been a filter.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at November 30, 2012 07:15 PM (RXQ2T)

418 Ref "31 knot burke". That was Halsey goofing him. The Destroyers Burke had in his squadron had a top speed around 34-35 knots. But the one Burke was on had a damaged boiler and could only make a top speed of 31. So Halsey dinged him with that nickname.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 30, 2012 07:49 PM (IH2b5)

419

Dang. Yet another WWII thread I missed here on the Left Coast.

Haven't read through all the comments (what? isn't that required here?), but just happened to just finish reading "Neptune's Inferno" about a month ago.

Thing about the cruiser night actions, of which Tassafaronga was one, is that they were, as described by USMC above, like bar fights in the dark. My "favorite" one wasn't the melee Annu Puma mentions, where the US ships got mixed up and had to stop shooting for fear of friendly fire (which happened anyway), but the action of Oct. 11 - Battle of Cape Esperance - where the US force had the drop on the Japanese force thanks to reconnaissance intel and finally, radar. The columns drew to within 3,000 yards - absolutely point-blank in naval gunnery terms. Amazing. The US side fired first (and furiously - continuous rapid fire, not rhythmic salvos) and got the better of it. A true bar-room brawl, in the dark.

As I've said here before, anyone interested should read all of Hornfischer's books, esp. Neptune's Inferno and Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors.

Thanks, Dave, for your steady stream of notable WWII anniversaries. I've gotta check the blog more often so I can be in the thick of the comments, and not lost to the rear like one of Adm. Scott's lost destroyers .......

Posted by: non-purist at November 30, 2012 08:31 PM (afQnV)

420 409 Llarry: You may think you're prepared for letting it all burn, but I'm betting that you really aren't. And since it's unnecessary, it's not helpful to wish for it. It's not a question of wishing for it. It's going to happen. It's mathematically inevitable. It's best to have it happen now and get it over with as soon as possible. The longer we put it off, the worse it will be.

Posted by: rickl at November 30, 2012 08:54 PM (sdi6R)

421 whistle

Posted by: whistle at November 30, 2012 09:07 PM (D7lJF)

422 So if the Indianapolis was sunk in 1942, no atomic bomb delivery, sharks go hungry, we invade Japan in 1946, lose millions of troops set for the cold war in Europe, and Eurozone is now under the rule of that capitalist powerhouse known as the Iron Curtain and their economic problems of today would have never happened because the Soviets don't give a flip about green energy. Flawed logic but all of us hope for a world free of the term "green energy."

Posted by: Mac Gootbone at December 01, 2012 04:39 AM (9KBWp)

423

Ref. Hornfischer's "Neptune's Inferno". Terrific book. Fantastic review on Amazon.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at December 01, 2012 07:11 AM (z4bFV)

424

Sandra Fluke almost had her pontoons blown off in the battle of free birth control

Posted by: kj at December 01, 2012 08:29 AM (fAXyw)

425

my ruck weighted 120lbs and i went from 165 down to 120lbs so yea that sucked plus i ate c,rations for a year.

Posted by: bruce at December 03, 2012 09:38 AM (UkZyq)

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