July 02, 2012
— andy With John Roberts' surprising decision last week, the fate of the country's healthcare system has been thrown back to the people, who have one last chance to kill Obamacare before it kills them by electing Mitt Romney President, electing a GOP majority to the Senate and holding the House in November.
Hyperbole? Maybe. But if the current state of the UK's NHS is any indication of where we're headed, and I think it is, the gravity of the situation facing us is pretty clear.
Avik Roy, the excellent healthcare blogger at Forbes, has a good piece over at NRO on the do-or-die nature of November's election and what conservatives must do to win the day. Short version: we need to remind our friends and neighbors why Obamacare is so bad, and fast:
... there is one aspect of Obamacare that, above all others, will matter to the broadest swath of American voters: the degree to which the law drives up the cost of health insurance. And this is the message that opponents of Obamacare must hammer home.When President Obama was campaigning in 2008, he repeatedly promised that Obamacare would reduce, on an absolute level, Americans’ health premiums. “We’ll start by lowering premiums by as much as $2,500 per family,” candidate Obama said in October of that year.
But the opposite has happened. In 2011, the average family health plan cost $15,073, a jump of $1,303 — 9.5 percent — from 2010, the year that the president signed Obamacare into law. Over the same period, median household income increased by only 4 percent, from $49,445 to $51,413. That means that, for the average family in 2011, health premiums amounted to a staggering 29 percent of household income.
Read the whole thing, and we'll have much, much more on this topic over the coming weeks here at the HQ. But let me remind you what Obamacare's architects view as the end-state of their grand plans ...
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 05:39 AM (8y9MW)
In a six-page letter to FactCheck.org, deputy Obama campaign manager Stephanie Cutter disputes the notion that Romney cannot be held accountable for outsourcing by Bain Capital-owned companies after February 1999, when he stepped down as CEO.
“The statement that Gov. Romney ‘left’ Bain in February 1999 — a statement central to your fact-check — is not accurate,” Cutter writes. “Romney took an informal leave of absence but remained in full legal control of Bain and continued to be paid by Bain as such. Governor Romney would have the period of Bain service understood differently, for the obvious reason that there is much in this l999-2002 period that he would prefer to avoid accountability for.”
Cutter cites statements by Romney, his wife Ann, lawyer Bradley Malt, and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission as evidence that he maintained significant managerial and financial ties with the company during the period when the outsourcings referenced in Obama TV ads occurred.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 02, 2012 05:39 AM (e8kgV)
The Federal Government will never (willingly) fully repeal Obamacare. The States must re-assert their Constitutional Authority.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 05:40 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 05:40 AM (rX1N2)
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CMS estimates the growth in health insurance costs will increase 10 extra percentage points in 2014 because of ObamaCare — a 14% increase, versus 3.5% without the law.
In 2020, the net cost of health insurance is estimated to be $271 billion. Without ObamaCare, that number would have been $248.7 billion — a difference of more than $22 billionPosted by: Jay at July 02, 2012 05:40 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: Greg at July 02, 2012 05:40 AM (j+Xk7)
Al QaedaÂ’s Yemen-based terror cell, the same organization behind the 2009 attempted underwear bombing and a similar terror plot uncovered by a CIA informant less than two months ago, is believed to be behind this latest planned attack, according to the Sunday Times of London.
The plan is not specifically targeted to the Olympics, intelligence officials told the paper, and instead should be seen as another attempt by al QaedaÂ’s Yemen affiliate to blow up a US plane.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 02, 2012 05:41 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Ozzie at July 02, 2012 05:41 AM (ds/2y)
Posted by: Greg at July 02, 2012 05:42 AM (j+Xk7)
So not only was the $2,500 line a lie, so was "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" (esp. when said doctor quits).
Posted by: Jay at July 02, 2012 05:42 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: DrSmith at July 02, 2012 05:46 AM (Xa2if)
Paving the way for another "crisis" where the government needs to step in with real Single Payer.
Posted by: Dave C at July 02, 2012 05:48 AM (3GRfo)
Sixty of the guns and several BB guns were turned in by the Champaign-based Guns Save Life. In return, the group received $6,240 in gift cards, said John Boch, president of the group.
Guns Save Life is known for the pro-gun signs the group posts along Interstate 57 between Chicago and Champaign. It also publishes a monthly gun journal.
Most of the money will go toward buying ammunition for an NRA youth camp in Bloomington. The rest will pay for four bolt-action rifles that will be given away to campers.
“This was rusty, non-firing junk that we turned in,” Boch said. “We are redirecting funds from people who would work against the private ownership of firearms to help introduce the next generation to shooting safely and responsibly.”
Posted by: Charlton Heston at July 02, 2012 05:49 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Dave C at July 02, 2012 05:50 AM (3GRfo)
Secondly, we'll be overrun with stories on how trying to repeal it will have serious political consequences, yea even historical ramifications, on an R who dares to pursue this divisive agenda. We'll get human interest stories stacked one on top of the other highlighting the virtue of the newly implemented FREE coverages and how turning back the law will be worse than any atrocities of WW2 Nazis.
And, finally, the fate of repeal will be with Lischea Murkelscruntski, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins in the Senate. Anyone want to bet on those three holding the line?
Posted by: The Hammer at July 02, 2012 05:50 AM (wo1YR)
I wouldn't bet on Jim DeMint holding the freaking line, let alone those three.
I'll say it until I'm blue in the face: the only weapon we have against Obamacare is the States.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 05:52 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2012 05:53 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: ADOACF at July 02, 2012 05:54 AM (qxcKC)
What the trader told us was that the bank could not be seen to be borrowing at high rates, so we were putting in low Libor submissions, the same as everyone. How could we do that? Easy. The British Bankers' Association, which compiled Libor, asked for a rate submission but there were no checks. The trader said there was a general acceptance that you lowered the price a few basis points each day.
According to the trader, "everyone knew" and "everyone was doing it". There was no implication of illegality. After all, there were 20 to 30 people in the room – from management to economists, structuring teams to salespeople – and more on the teleconference dial-in from across the country.
The discussion was so open the behaviour seemed above board. In no sense was this a clandestine gathering.
Posted by: Charlton Heston at July 02, 2012 05:55 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 05:55 AM (8y9MW)
In other news, Barry is full of shit
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 02, 2012 05:57 AM (1Jaio)
And, finally, the fate of repeal will be with Lischea Murkelscruntski, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins in the Senate. Anyone want to bet on those three holding the line?
Just get it to 50. Vice-President (XXXXXX) will cast the deciding vote. And then some idiot on MSNBC will claim that the outcome is unconstituional.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 02, 2012 05:57 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: Nancy Lugosi at July 02, 2012 05:59 AM (IoNBC)
Buying a shit "healthcare" package from the Finance/Insurance/Real Estate (FIRE) assholes who designed it? How about for not carrying concealed, maybe? Not going to church? Drinking 12oz sodas instead of thirty-two ouncers?
And this is a conservative solution, is it?
Posted by: Ten at July 02, 2012 05:59 AM (56DAY)
Posted by: DrSmith at July 02, 2012 06:00 AM (Xa2if)
Posted by: Kane at July 02, 2012 06:00 AM (pzBdY)
Roberts decision epitomizes the problem with sophistry. (iow: The facts/ethics/truth be damned, how can I 'win' and still be the 'hero'?)
Sophistry has been a part of educational theory in the west for quite some time. It is a part of of our culture.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at July 02, 2012 06:01 AM (WwR1j)
Posted by: Cricket at July 02, 2012 06:02 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 02, 2012 06:03 AM (I2LwF)
The public wants to back a winner and Obama looks like a winner.
Oh, Jeebus--you should wear a helmet before jumping logic gaps like that.
Let's see how much of a winner he looks like when the jobs report comes out on Friday.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 02, 2012 06:03 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: King Barracka at July 02, 2012 06:04 AM (IoNBC)
I wish Roberts had merely "punted." Instead he effectively re-wrote the law which had been passed by the US Congress to force it to be constitutional.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 06:05 AM (8y9MW)
But after decades of work and billions of dollars spent, researchers at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, say they aren't quite ready to say they've "discovered" the particle.
Instead, experts familiar with the research at CERN's vast complex on the Swiss-French border say that the massive data they have obtained will essentially show the footprint of the key particle known as the Higgs boson — all but proving it exists — but doesn't allow them to say it has actually been glimpsed.
It appears to be a fine distinction. Senior CERN scientists say that the two independent teams of physicists who plan to present their work at CERN's vast complex on the Swiss-French border on July 4 are about as close as you can get to a discovery without actually calling it one.
"I agree that any reasonable outside observer would say, 'It looks like a discovery,'" British theoretical physicist John Ellis, a professor at King's College London who has worked at CERN since the 1970s, told The Associated Press. "We've discovered something which is consistent with being a Higgs."
Posted by: Al Gore's Real Brain at July 02, 2012 06:06 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 09:57 AM (tf9Ne)
I'm sure they find some way to screw that up too.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 06:06 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: clemenza at July 02, 2012 06:06 AM (ePSlU)
"...have one last chance to kill Obamacare before it kills them by electing Mitt Romney President, electing a GOP majority to the Senate and holding the House in November."
LOL!
Posted by: flyonthewall at July 02, 2012 06:06 AM (aZ7lL)
You know, he is.
Of course, it's the Death Star main laser, but it's a laser nonetheless.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 06:06 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 06:07 AM (DrWcr)
'Cause that would be awesome.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 06:07 AM (8y9MW)
How about a Constitutional Amendment that limits the government? Here's my idea:
“No branch of Government may compel any Citizen to participate in Commerce, nor may any Citizen be penalized or taxed for choosing not to participate in Commerce.”
Keep it short and simple (something that can be written out 50 times with a quill and ink) and non-controversial. If you can do that, you should be able to get Congress to approve it and send it to the States.
It's closing the barn door after the horses have gotten out, but it should limit their ability to do this to us in the future.....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 02, 2012 06:08 AM (0xqzf)
Posted by: Al Gore's Real Brain at July 02, 2012 06:08 AM (e8kgV)
I wish Roberts had merely "punted." Instead he effectively re-wrote the law which had been passed by the US Congress to force it to be constitutional.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 10:05 AM (8y9MW)
^This. He just made shit up out of whole cloth, which is pretty much the definition of judicial activisim, in order to save the legislation and maintain his access to Lawrence Tribe's liberal weenie. Am I pissed about this? Yes, yes I am.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 06:08 AM (DrWcr)
Yep. That would have been "punting." This wasn't.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 06:09 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2012 06:09 AM (hdGdp)
turd first emerged in nearly whole cloth back in early 2009. Nope, I was out there protesting and organizing in the first Tea Party to hit our state.
Then I was told what a brilliant game the Pubs were playing in keeping the Dems from passing it, except it kept moving forward somehow. Then as if by magic, Scott Brown was pulled from the
Republican ashes of MA to stop it.....except it didn't.
Nope, Pelosi got to wave around her massive hammer like she was Thor. So then I was engaged in replacing our Dem Blue Dog with an R, part of a wave of change in the House unseen in decades....and still it persists; hell, it ain't even been slowed down any.
So now we enter the final chance this November. The odds aren't good as we now need to win the Senate AND presidency AND nobody getting weak kneed afterwards too. Like Mr. Roberts.
Some metagame. Well, I'll stay engaged through November. A loss then though means that the looters and moochers have won for good.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 02, 2012 06:09 AM (ccXZP)
'Cause that would be awesome.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 10:07 AM (8y9MW)
Slublog, paging Slublog...please pick up the courtesy phone.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 06:09 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Team RamRod at July 02, 2012 06:13 AM (AzwZn)
"The public wants to back a winner and Obama looks like a winner."
Uh, no. This fey, mincing, sissy throwing nancy can barely walk, let alone "look like a winner".
I'd also point you to the "growth" rate of the GDP, the unemployment rate, the uninterrupted string of bankrupt "green" companies, his chinless weasel doj head (and I mean "head" in all possible ways it can be interpreted) being cited for contempt, and his camp's increasingly desperate and shrill pleas for more of that sweet sweet caysh.
That earflapped punk is going to lose, and lose big come November.
Posted by: Chariots of Toast at July 02, 2012 06:14 AM (ksERZ)
Or with the image of a kitteh chasing a laser light with the same caption.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 06:14 AM (tf9Ne)
Mitt Romney isn't saving anyone from anything. Heckle is no different from jeckle except for maybe the size of the "s" in socialist.
The republican "party" is only interested in saving its ass. Our asses are Negotiable.
Posted by: flyonthewall at July 02, 2012 06:19 AM (aZ7lL)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 06:20 AM (9TTOe)
Well Ace has a few of my drafts for various posts on this subject. (Including a hastily written on the dangers of an insurance "floor" we all have to buy and how that is and will be used as a trojan horse for abortion coverage in WA and a longer more thinky piece on concerns regarding the american idea of "basic care" and the ever expanding costs of healthcare.)
I'd be willing to throw together my "if I could design an insurance plan from the ground up" idea as well, it's in pieces all over my IM accounts with friends, I'd just need to coherently put it together.
Oh and the NHS suxxors. Sure they cover a higher percentage of people, but they do it crappily.
Posted by: tsrblke at July 02, 2012 06:20 AM (22rSN)
Posted by: eman at July 02, 2012 06:20 AM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Hawker Flyer at July 02, 2012 06:20 AM (kheK+)
Posted by: csm at July 02, 2012 06:21 AM (6MiMG)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 06:21 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 02, 2012 10:22 AM (JHBL9)
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 06:23 AM (DrWcr)
Unfortunately Andy I think this is wishful thinking. The balless Republicans in the House can't even cut spending now. Sure, they will pass a bill to kill Obamacare knowing full well it will die in the Senate.
But will the Senate go full nuclear when we have 51 Republicans?
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 06:24 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: eman at July 02, 2012 06:25 AM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Hawker Flyer at July 02, 2012 10:20 AM (kheK+)
He can't, but he could direct CMS, the IRS and other agencies not to enforce it, the same way Barry has directed his agencies not to enforce immigration laws or a myriad of other things.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 06:25 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 09:57 AM (tf9Ne)
Wanna bet?
First, they would have to be equal opportunity hires.. Meaning old and fat ladies and even men need to be serving. Not just hot chicks with C cups.
Posted by: Dave C at July 02, 2012 06:26 AM (3GRfo)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2012 06:26 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: Scobface at July 02, 2012 06:26 AM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Dave C at July 02, 2012 10:26 AM (3GRfo)
And they could require you to accept services from a dude, even if you're straight.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 06:27 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 06:28 AM (9TTOe)
catch on. anyone who takes money under the table for various jobs (cutting grass & anything else you can imagine), won't report that income. therefore, they will be deemed too poor to pay insurance, mandate, anything. we'll be paying them.
are we out of other people's money yet?
Posted by: kelley in virginia at July 02, 2012 06:28 AM (p3a8+)
First, they would have to be equal opportunity hires..
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Apparently, you didn't see what he did there. Think about it.
Posted by: Anachronda at July 02, 2012 06:28 AM (1c58W)
Fuck replace.
Just repeal the damn thing.
Joseph Hacker's fingerprints will somehow find a way be all over the Republican's version of "Replace"
Posted by: Dave C at July 02, 2012 06:29 AM (3GRfo)
Posted by: Dave C at July 02, 2012 06:30 AM (3GRfo)
Posted by: eman at July 02, 2012 06:31 AM (ejmiE)
A handful of Republicans sided with Democrats to block the measure on a procedural vote of 46 yeas to 53 nays, including Sens. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, Scott Brown of Massachusetts, and Susan Collins and Olympia Snow of Maine.
We will be lucky to get through the Senate even w/9o Harry Reid.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 06:32 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: eman at July 02, 2012 06:32 AM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 06:32 AM (9TTOe)
Recovery Summer v 3.0 -- the Bonering Continues
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 02, 2012 06:32 AM (ccXZP)
Paving the way for another "crisis" where the government needs to step in with real Single Payer.
Posted by: Dave C at July 02, 2012 09:48 AM
Ding ding ding! Tell him what he's won, Johnny!
Posted by: huerfano at July 02, 2012 06:33 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: Dave C at July 02, 2012 06:33 AM (3GRfo)
My father's medigap insurance has gone up 56% in the last six months. I work for a very small firm now and our premiums went up 25% or so last year despite shedding half our employees. Yeah, premiums going down is an utter lie.
So HOW exactly is Romney going to get rid of Obiecare on day one in office all by his lonesome? bullshit. I'm voting for him, but bullshit.
IIRC, the pledge is that he'll move to repeal Obamacare Day One, not that he'll put it all to a halt Day One.
Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 06:33 AM (VtjlW)
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Watched that yesterday. That.was.AWESOME.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 02, 2012 06:34 AM (C8hzL)
If we are lucky the collapse of our system will be quick and bloodless.
Unfortunately, I think we'll only get to pick one of those, and if we pick "bloodless" the opposite of "quick" might not be "slow" but "never."
The country is currently made up of two fundamental views- those who view the government as a protector of private rights, and those who view the government as "The Great Equalizer." Those are not compatible in any way. Such views cannot live side-by-side for very long (in the scope of history- it may seem like forever for us).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 06:34 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Hawker Flyer at July 02, 2012 10:20 AM (kheK+)
He can't, but he could direct CMS, the IRS and other agencies not to enforce it, the same way Barry has directed his agencies not to enforce immigration laws or a myriad of other things.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 10:25 AM (DrWcr)
As if the Dem-Commie fifth-columnists in the Fed bureaucracy would obey a GOP President.....
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 02, 2012 06:35 AM (TIIx5)
video.foxbusiness.com/v/1712885335001/usda-suggests-food-stamp-parties-to-boost-enrollment
Posted by: Dave C at July 02, 2012 06:36 AM (3GRfo)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 02, 2012 10:35 AM (TIIx5)
There's an easy way to deal with that. "I'll be expecting your resignation in the morning then."
Posted by: Dave C at July 02, 2012 06:37 AM (3GRfo)
Obiecare on day one in office all by his lonesome?
All those "waivers" are Executive Branch powers. That means he could just issue a bunch of waivers to everyone under the sun.
That wouldn't actually "stop" or "repeal" Obamacare on day one, but it would give people some breathing space while they worked on getting a real repeal done.
Of course, I don't think any of those things will happen, but I'd be glad to be wrong.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 06:37 AM (8y9MW)
Hi, all!
Okay, so here's the scenario I've been bopping around in my head. Is it finally at long last time to convene a Constitutional Convention to amend the Constitution with something akin to, "The federal government cannot tax, penalize or otherwise punish the people for failing to or choosing not to take part in economic activity." I know amendments are proposed all the time, and often they get shot down in the legislature. But it seems to me that there's enough unrest and disquiet in the country over this ObamaTax ruling that a Constitutional Convention through the STATES, rather than through Congress, might actually get somewhere.
The Roberts decision may have beneficial or detrimental political effects in the short term, but Constitutionally, it's a death blow. It needs to be rectified.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 02, 2012 06:38 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Scobface at July 02, 2012 06:38 AM (IoNBC)
NO STATE RESOURCES SHALL BE USED TO ENFORCE ANY PROVISION OF
THE ACA AGAINST ANY RESIDENT OF THIS STATE.
NOR SHALL ANY PERSON WITHIN THIS STATE BE RECOGNIZED AS HAVING ANY AUTHORITY TO
ENFORCE ANY PROVISION OF THE ACA.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 02, 2012 06:38 AM (kSaUf)
However the rationing of healthcare can be easily proven AND how that leads to the elderly being treated poorly or not at all.
We have plenty of factual incidents to show from the NHS in Britain.
Demonstrate that the cost per individual may seem low but the quality of care will disappear.
Use the DMV or Post Office argument. Most can relate better to that.
Let the big dogs make the cost arguments. Person to person should be about how poor and delayed care will be.
Ask 'em if they want to have some Doctor making decisions about whether their granny gets to live or die without family's input. That's what's coming.
Death panels and rationing. It ain't no joke and can be proven.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at July 02, 2012 06:39 AM (CP+yl)
Thou Shalt Not Cut and Paste from Microsoft Office Products.
Otherwise, you're right. Actually, I think every state should pass something like that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 06:41 AM (8y9MW)
NYT (June 26, 2012 Trip Gabriel):
Senator Claire McCaskill on Tuesday became the latest Democrat to decide to skip the partyÂ’s national convention in Charlotte, N.C., later this summer.
Posted by: mrp at July 02, 2012 06:41 AM (HjPtV)
In most of his pictures he reminds me of a kid who's just pooped his diaper and is proud but knows mom's gonna be mad.
The epitome of beta male.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at July 02, 2012 06:42 AM (CP+yl)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Posted by: navybrat at July 02, 2012 06:43 AM (rs5jS)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at July 02, 2012 10:39 AM (CP+yl)
This might fall under 'Irony' but you can even make the same case using the number from MassCare (*coff* RomneyCare)
Posted by: Dave C at July 02, 2012 06:45 AM (3GRfo)
Posted by: EM August at July 02, 2012 06:45 AM (zeBNm)
Let alone the FDA.
Government WOULD fuck up a wet dream.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at July 02, 2012 06:45 AM (CP+yl)
must read:
SCOTUS Rule 44 Petition More Necessary As WH Chief Of Staff Denies ObamaCare Mandate Is A Tax
Posted by: mallfly at July 02, 2012 06:46 AM (bJm7W)
Posted by: Shit You'll Tell Your Grandchildren at July 02, 2012 06:47 AM (IoNBC)
I sort of get the whole death panels rationale having seen a hospital recently. One patient was in there for the second time in two weeks after a long stay before. Medicaid natch. Doesn't take her meds they prescribe her. Some problem with Tricare or something but sounded more like lack of effort. Actually refused a program which was offered to help her get and take her meds. Not interested in dieting or exercise.
Sad story though. No visitors. She calls her family for "chicken nuggets." But they didn't show for the two days I saw.
Doctors have basically three tools: 1) drugs 2) surgery 3) placebo effect and 4) health advice. If a patient shows up and expects a hospital to make her take her meds for a short time in order to be released and readmitted a short time later, what should they do (assuming the pile of money and man hours is not unlimited)?
Posted by: Beagle at July 02, 2012 06:47 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 02, 2012 10:35 AM (TIIx5)
There's an easy way to deal with that. "I'll be expecting your resignation in the morning then."
Posted by: Dave C at July 02, 2012 10:37 AM (3GRfo)
And the response would be an EEOC or similar complaint which would most likely keep said official in office while the complaint was adjudicated.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 02, 2012 06:47 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: EM August at July 02, 2012 10:45 AM (zeBNm)
Begone troll who can't even properly name the damned bill (PPACA or ACA or Obamacare).
Furthermore I challenge you to explain how your better off (unless you're now eligable for medicaid in which case, sod off anyway.) My premiums have gone up already and we're only in year 1. Care is no better, and I highly predict it'll get worse.
Posted by: tsrblke at July 02, 2012 06:48 AM (22rSN)
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Why? Why does the government need to be involved?
Posted by: Anachronda at July 02, 2012 06:48 AM (1c58W)
Posted by: jfalcon, the curmud..curmuge..the old guy in Vegas at July 02, 2012 06:49 AM (2EqTP)
Posted by: Lefty Hussein McMoonbat at July 02, 2012 06:50 AM (2jQGY)
"Effective immediately, the EEOC's operations have been suspended pending investigations of irregularities in its operations."
An easy +10 approval points, improved economic conditions, and a freer hand all in one shot.
(Mornin' Morons. Yeah, like I get up early on July Vacation.)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica Sanitation Department at July 02, 2012 06:50 AM (x8wJs)
Posted by: tonynoboloney at July 02, 2012 06:51 AM (6rcwQ)
let insurance companies (use the auto insurance gag) compete across state lines.
Let people select the coverage they want/need.
Make the process of billing from the Medical side more transparent and even. No other place can you walk in and not get an estimate of your costs that is accurate before you sign to have it done. Even Dentists don't try to pull that sh!t.
Flat fees for every procedure or test listed somewhere.
No cost sharing: higher for cash patients, lower for insurance patients.
same care for every patient. the only thing government subsidizes is a minimal insurance for children and the genuinely indigent.
Get the government out of my body. (isn't that one of liberals mantras?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at July 02, 2012 06:51 AM (CP+yl)
Sure.
"The Federal Government has no place in regulation or provision of healthcare within the States. The States should implement State-Level plans to address the needs of their residents."
Easy.
Also, listen to tsrblke, he knows of what he speaks.
Heck, even if you qualify for medicaid now when you didn't before, or have on of the other goodies, you'll be worse off than you were before in short order. Make no mistake, Obamacare will destroy the private health care system in the US. If the mandate had been struck down but the rest left, it would have happened faster, but it will happen all the same.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 06:51 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 06:52 AM (uff2W)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 06:53 AM (9TTOe)
There has to be a better way. There must be some way to hold their feet to the fire. Repeal Healthcare that's a laugh. I'm sorry to say, this bunch doesn't have it in them.
There is. It's called the Federalist System and the States finally fighting to take back the power they've ceded to (or that has been usurped by) the Federal Government.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 06:54 AM (8y9MW)
You can repeal it but we better have something to replace it with... As it stands now, I am going to be better off with the AHCA than I was with what we had before it. Feels a bit weird to say it as a republican.
I do not want anything replacing ACA unless it's some kind of bill to open the sale of insurance across state lines and/or getting rids of the vast majority of regulations that make insurance so expensive. My pipe dream is to decouple insurance from employment. Sure, that may make me nigh to uninsurable but so be it.
Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 06:54 AM (VtjlW)
Cashier: Would you like to buy condoms for Sandra Fluke?
Customer: No way! What kind of idiot do you think I am?
Cashier: That will be $3.00 tax. Thanks to the ObamaCare Tax, declining to buy Sandra Fluke condoms means we just tax you for them instead!
Posted by: And That's The Way It Is Under O-bah-muhhCare at July 02, 2012 06:54 AM (RK0od)
@68 "So HOW exactly is Romney going to get rid of Obiecare on day one in office all by his lonesome? bullshit. I'm voting for him, but bullshit."
"He is going to use Execitive Orders. You know, the same ones we hate when Obama uses them."
IMO, we're so far off the Constitutional reservation that it just doesn't matter anymore. Use the EO. Break the damn law. Have a goddamn military coup for all I care anymore. It's not like those'll be any more offensive than what's already happened to the Constitution.
The reset button has to be pushed and there is no way to do it without trashing The Law as it's evolved to be, as well as the resultant civil unrest, blood, and lost treasure. There is no guarrantee that it'll turn out well at all.
The alternative; the route we're on, is a slow-motion slide into oblivion. This is a fact.
Posted by: Jaws at July 02, 2012 06:55 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 06:56 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 10:53 AM (9TTOe
Price fixing is not the answer
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 02, 2012 06:56 AM (mFxQX)
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2012 06:57 AM (OlN4e)
"I have always said..."
"Let me be perfectly clear..."
"This will absolutely happen..."
... you can pretty much rest assured that whatever follows will be a lie. He adds the superlatives because he KNOWS he is about to lie and he feels the need to convince you.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at July 02, 2012 06:57 AM (hlUJY)
I wonder what hookers would do if the government ran them? (Since they wouldn't be sucking). I'm certain you all can come up with some more interesting ideas. But I'm thinking they would probably watch a lot more Judge Joe Brown. Maybe they could even bring back One Life to Live.
Posted by: gum chewer at July 02, 2012 06:57 AM (JS6HU)
And it the same thing needs to happen with many other things the feds are mixed up in. Replace healthcare with education or any number of fed programs that should not exist.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 06:57 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Beagle at July 02, 2012 06:58 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Jaws at July 02, 2012 10:55 AM (4I3Uo)
>>>> I can't argue with that!
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 02, 2012 06:58 AM (mFxQX)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 06:58 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 02, 2012 10:22 AM (JHBL9)
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 10:23 AM
Darmok and Jalad.....at Tanagra
Posted by: Berserker at July 02, 2012 06:58 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 06:59 AM (8sIym)
My insurance premium increased by 14% last year, deductible increased 100%. I'm taking an insurance holiday next year to save up for whatever the spike will be in 2014 when the shit sandwich is mandatory.
Romney's five million dollar haul the day of the fercockt Roberts decision wasn't the result of only GOP diehards opening their wallets.
Posted by: kallisto at July 02, 2012 07:00 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Zombie A. Gramsci at July 02, 2012 07:00 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Darles Chickens at July 02, 2012 07:00 AM (NsRPe)
An easy +10 approval points, improved economic conditions, and a freer hand all in one shot.
(Mornin' Morons. Yeah, like I get up early on July Vacation.)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica Sanitation Department at July 02, 2012 10:50 AM (x8wJs)
Cut. Jib. Newsletter.
Add in "abolish the Dept of Energy and kill the EPA with a chainsaw and a barrel of gasoline" and I'll bear your children. Of course, I'll need to grow a vagina first, but they're doing wonderful things with surgery in Denmark.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 02, 2012 07:00 AM (TIIx5)
It has been said of Roberts that he is playing chess while everyone else plays checkers.
People are saying, "Roberts changed his position after pressure from Obama and the media!". But perhaps there is another angle. Perhaps the pressure from Obama and the media so incensed Roberts that he came up with a plan that would assure Obama's defeat?
I am surprised no one has floated this idea.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at July 02, 2012 07:01 AM (hlUJY)
---------
Well, in the book "Moscow 2042", you paid your money to the government brothel and they led you to a room in which you could fap. And they poked their head in a few minutes later to ask if you were done yet.
They also solved their health care problem by deporting anyone who got sick.
Posted by: Anachronda at July 02, 2012 07:01 AM (1c58W)
Posted by: Mainah at July 02, 2012 07:02 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Darles Chickens at July 02, 2012 07:03 AM (NsRPe)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at July 02, 2012 11:01 AM (hlUJY) <<<<<
It has been floated. Occam's razor says bullshit.
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2012 07:03 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 07:03 AM (5y+yw)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at July 02, 2012 11:01 AM (hlUJY)
>>>> You must not be getting the e-mails I'm getting.
Here is a sample I have now read a large portion of the decision and I believe that it was precisely the result that Scalia, Alito, Thomas, Roberts and even Kennedy wanted and not a defeat for conservatism or the rule of law.
BS
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 02, 2012 07:04 AM (mFxQX)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at July 02, 2012 11:01 AM (hlUJY)
I think the idea that Roberts was playing nth dimensional chess with the decision is wishcasting by desperate conservatives at best, a steaming pantload at worst. I'm going to go with the Occam's razor approach, which I think says he caved, pure and simple.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 07:05 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: cajun carrot at July 02, 2012 07:05 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 07:05 AM (9TTOe)
Make the process of billing from the Medical side more transparent and even.
This. All of the this. I review medical bills several times a week and the question "What did you actually bill and what payment did you actually receive?" usually takes multiple phone calls, several cross checks and then it will still be wrong.
We laid off everyone (or moved to 1099)
Annnnd then there's that. More and more people are going to be forced to be self-employed as employers are going to do everything in their power to stay under the 50 or 25 or whatever the magic number will be to trigger the penalties. I don't blame an employer for doing that at all, it's only rational. You want to work? You're going to end up working as a contractor whether you like it or not.
My prior employer was run by huge liberals who loudly favored single payer. They also made damn sure that they never got over the 50 employee threshhold in order to avoid all the additional requirements that kick in with that.
Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 07:05 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at July 02, 2012 07:06 AM (J6kXj)
Posted by: BearManPig at July 02, 2012 07:06 AM (e8kgV)
Also, listen to tsrblke, he knows of what he speaks.
LIES! YOU LIE HORRIBLY! 
I'd like to take this moment to quote Will Smith from "I, Robot"
"Does thinking your the last sane man on the planet make you crazy?"
Seriously though, I watch people get up and cheer for things like "Medicare for all!" because they think it'll work (ha!) or look to other countries (Fareed Zakaria was all up in Taiwan on CNN explaining how we need to be more like them, utter bullshit.)
Here's what it really boils down to. There are a lot of things our system does well, and some things it does not so well. We need to be aiming to improve the latter without screwing over the former. At best, Obama care sells out the former at the expense of the latter (so it would cover more people than our system does, but not as well.) Yes, we need to get better at paper records and billing, etc. Government Fiat isn't going to accomplish that though (in fact, Government Fiat created a highly artificial demand for electronic records systems, leading to a situation where the goal became to get them set up quickly rather than correctly, so currently there are several EHR software suites that can't properly communicate with each other.)
(I've truncated this because I'm busy, expand it accordingly)
Posted by: tsrblke at July 02, 2012 07:06 AM (22rSN)
"And it the same thing needs to happen with many other things the feds are mixed up in. Replace healthcare with education or any number of fed programs that should not exist."
No kidding. The problem is that your idea presupposes your hatred for old people, blacks, women, children, and fucking baby puffins. The MSM said / will say so and 50% of your damn neighbors will buy it no questions asked. How do you compete with that? Answer: You can't. Why try?
The sad and ironic fact that I'm resigning myself to is that a "Republic" and its attendant need for self-reliance, responsibility, and limited government can and will only be re-acheived first through "Unconstitutional" means nobody will like and then maintained only through a legal ruthlessness nobody will like.
So yeah, nothing will happen but our slow demise.
Posted by: Jaws at July 02, 2012 07:07 AM (4I3Uo)
Afterwards there was a lot of pressure to make it a ballot referendum in the next election.
But then all scaredy cats balked and said oh no we don't want to be the ones to tell all those new homo couples they cant be married anymore.
Today it's oh no we dont want to be the ones to take away health insurance from millions of people.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 10:59 AM (8sIym)
The disgusting thing is liberals shove this shit down peoples' throats and we never shove back and say that no one wanted it in the first place. yeah, you'll be called a racist, sexist, homophobe, bigot for it but who cares
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 02, 2012 07:08 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: gum chewer at July 02, 2012 10:57 AM (JS6HU)
Well, the last time the Feds tried running a brothel (The Mustang Ranch, seized for unpaid taxes), they ran it into the dirt within 3 or 4 months.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 02, 2012 07:08 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 07:08 AM (5y+yw)
Welcome to the club.
That is the modus operandi for most bloggers and commenters here at AOSHQ!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 02, 2012 07:09 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at July 02, 2012 07:10 AM (J6kXj)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 07:10 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Zombie A. Gramsci at July 02, 2012 07:10 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 02, 2012 07:11 AM (OBDWE)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 07:11 AM (9TTOe)
Which is extra maddening because the law as written does just that. In addition to making actual care harder to obtain with any insurance you may be able to keep.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 07:12 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 07:12 AM (xTbtA)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 07:12 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:13 AM (WkuV6)
why stop there? let's also install slot machines in voting booths.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 11:08 AM (5y+yw)
Why not? Entering a voting booth is already a gamble, might as well make it official.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 02, 2012 07:14 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 07:14 AM (uff2W)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 02, 2012 07:14 AM (GFM2b)
I am 100% behind InstaPundit's ideas for taxing Hollywood and former elected officials who cash in on their "public service"[sic].
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 07:14 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: baldilocks at July 02, 2012 07:15 AM (6kWFm)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 07:15 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:15 AM (WkuV6)
I am surprised no one has floated this idea.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at July 02, 2012 11:01 AM (hlUJY)
Oh, there goes all the sunshiny people again. WE LOST. He should have found the whole damn thing unconstitutional and threw it out. We will win the election on jobs and the economy. We don't need a SCJ that's thinks he's smarter than everyone else saving us with a nuanced position.
- No, actually you are short-sighted. If Obamcare had been upheld Obama's base which at this point is utterly lethargic would have been energized to 2008 levels. Think about it. His fundraising would have exploded.
It's like football. You are having a shitty season. You have no chance for the playoffs. If you lose your last game you get to pick the Heisman Trophy Winning Quarterback in the draft, if you win, you lose him.
So, in that case, losing is FAR better than winning.
It's called long ball. Learn to play it.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at July 02, 2012 07:15 AM (hlUJY)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 07:17 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 07:18 AM (3dufx)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 07:18 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 02, 2012 10:22 AM (JHBL9)
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Zinda, his face black, his eyes red. <---America
Posted by: baldilocks at July 02, 2012 07:18 AM (6kWFm)
It's called long ball. Learn to play it.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at July 02, 2012 11:15 AM (hlUJY)
First, your analogy sucks. We aren't having a shitty season. We were having a damn good season.
Second, in case you haven't noticed, this HAS fired up Obama's base.
Third, we've been playing long ball for the past 90 years. This bullshit line has been used to justify allowing the neverending creep of leftism. It's time to stop this mealy-mouthed shit.
Posted by: grognard at July 02, 2012 07:19 AM (tdom9)
It must be eradicated before.implementation.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 11:18 AM (3dufx)
This. Sweet Jesus, THIS.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 02, 2012 07:19 AM (4df7R)
Folks, we have come full circle on the gravy train when physicists have reduced their standards to "belief" in a "god particle."
Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2012 07:19 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at July 02, 2012 11:15 AM (hlUJY)
While you are all twisted up like that, you might want to try sucking your own dick.
You'll probably never have a better chance at winning the game than now.
Posted by: garrett at July 02, 2012 07:19 AM (U0CEa)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 07:20 AM (gtTDa)
So yeah, Team Obama, that chicken is dead, but you can keep humping it if you like.
Oh, dear God, no. . .
Posted by: The Chicken at July 02, 2012 07:21 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Shit You'll Tell Your Grandchildren at July 02, 2012 07:21 AM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 07:21 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 02, 2012 10:22 AM (JHBL9)
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 10:23 AM
Darmok and Jalad.....at Tanagra
Posted by: Berserker at July 02, 2012 10:58 AM
Sokath, his eyes uncovered.
Posted by: Pete at July 02, 2012 07:22 AM (V8Vnt)
Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 07:22 AM (KXm42)
One of the things he noted was that the liberals in CA had several bills ready to go if the ruling struck it down--bills which went quite a bit further than the ObamaTax.
So, why hasn't anyone in the GOP introduced a bill to tax those who choose not to carry their child to term?
We're not taxing abortion, we're taxing the decision not to give birth. They are still free to have all the abortions they want, they are not free--in the words of Roberts--to refuse to pay the tax.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 02, 2012 07:22 AM (kSaUf)
It's called long ball. Learn to play it.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at July 02, 2012 11:15 AM (hlUJY)
With all due respect, Bill, long ball is political, and this ObamaTax decision goes much deeper than politics. It cuts at the very core of American liberty. In that way, even if this WERE political long ball, it's still shortsighted and foolish. A minor political victory for either side weighed against the Legislature's seemingly newfound power to tax ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING, even things that don't exist, is not a victory at all. It's national suicide.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 02, 2012 07:23 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: A. Powers at July 02, 2012 07:23 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 11:18 AM (9TTOe)
No, but this is.
Turn off the f**king computer, do the laundry, and make me a g*ddamned sammich
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet's wife at July 02, 2012 07:23 AM (Yhu4q)
Group hug!
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 07:23 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 02, 2012 10:22 AM (JHBL9)
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 10:23 AM
Darmok and Jalad.....at Tanagra
Posted by: Berserker at July 02, 2012 10:58 AM
Sokath, his eyes uncovered.
Tito, his song unsung.
Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 07:24 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2012 07:24 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:24 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 07:25 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Jaws at July 02, 2012 11:23 AM
SCOAMF and Michelle at Ben's Chili Bowl
Posted by: Pete at July 02, 2012 07:25 AM (V8Vnt)
I my be incorrect, but I thought the Pubs had at least 2 alternatives to Obamatax that were ignored.
Was this wrong?
Posted by: irongrampa at July 02, 2012 07:25 AM (SAMxH)
And the government didn't use the results to decide if you "deserve" to be allowed future treatments.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 07:26 AM (/kI1Q)
lots of rules start kicking in at 50 employees -- health and safety reporting, environmental crap, financial reporting, etc. My accountant says it makes no sense to be between 49 and about 150 employees.
Yup, the worst place to be is in the 50-150 range. You can more or less all of the regulations as a larger business without being large enough to get all the tax benefits and other goodies.
I fully expect there to be a hardcore push to say that anyone who is on a contract over 90 days will be deemed an employee. I think, though I'm not sure, there are some states that do this now for purposes of wc and unemployment.
Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 07:26 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at July 02, 2012 07:27 AM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:27 AM (WkuV6)
Also his idea to zero-budget piracy enforcement for music and movies. Kick Hollywood right in the whatever they have instead of nuts.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2012 07:29 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: baldilocks at July 02, 2012 11:15 AM (6kWFm)
No, it just means they can tax you extra for not having an abortion.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 11:15 AM (v+QvA)
Snark noted. But seriously, could this be a basis for the repeal of one, the other, or both? What say you, Lawyer Morons?
Posted by: baldilocks at July 02, 2012 07:29 AM (6kWFm)
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 02, 2012 11:22 AM (kSaUf)
Because betting 100% of the Tax Revenues on the Roulette Wheel has a better chance of a positive outcome?
Did I miss the free Tardisil shots this morning?
Posted by: garrett at July 02, 2012 07:29 AM (U0CEa)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 02, 2012 07:30 AM (mFxQX)
Keep in mind that they did not tie the "Cadilac health plan tax" to any index, like CPI or inflation. This means that, as the law is written, everyone who has a private health plan today will end up being forced to pay the Cadilac tax within the next 10 years (or sooner).
Its the frog in boiling water strategy.
Posted by: @huffpeter at July 02, 2012 07:30 AM (NHNJt)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:31 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Scobface at July 02, 2012 07:31 AM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:32 AM (WkuV6)
It's the AMT strategy.
I'm off to Chick-Fil-A, because next year I won't be able to afford food.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 07:32 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:33 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Contintental Army at July 02, 2012 07:33 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 07:35 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Dathon, his fist clenched at July 02, 2012 07:37 AM (ZGD9B)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:38 AM (WkuV6)
"We're not taxing abortion, we're taxing the decision not to give birth. They are still free to have all the abortions they want, they are not free--in the words of Roberts--to refuse to pay the tax. "
Brilliant. We can claim we're only doing it to offset the funding ObamaTax will lose by the mother's decision to not provide America another future taxpayer.
You birth that taxpayer, or you pay up-front what they will not be around to earn.
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 07:38 AM (V40IZ)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:39 AM (WkuV6)
Just a word of advice coming from a guy who used to have to answer these letters.
Handwritten letters aren't taken seriously by anyone in any Congressional office. That goes double for anything written on notebook paper.
Jus' sayin'
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 07:39 AM (sbV1u)
Chief Justice Roberts: A more nuanced view after healthcare ruling
Christian Science Monitor
New found respect....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2012 07:39 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Dathon, his grin shameless at July 02, 2012 07:39 AM (ZGD9B)
http://is.gd/Ynhg49
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 07:39 AM (/kI1Q)
They need some children born or they wont have any grist for the "it's for the children" mill. Though I suppose they could get enough children to keep the lie going if they only taxed those not on welfare.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 07:40 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:40 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at July 02, 2012 07:40 AM (SDkq3)
Posted by: Shit You'll Tell Your Grandchildren at July 02, 2012 07:42 AM (IoNBC)
"I'm off to Chick-Fil-A, because next year I won't be able to afford food."
But if you don't buy Barry-O's, you will be taxed for non-purchase. You have the option to not afford food, but you do not have the option to not pay for it.
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 07:42 AM (V40IZ)
Posted by: EM August at July 02, 2012 07:42 AM (zeBNm)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 07:43 AM (GUbzo)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:43 AM (WkuV6)
"Handwritten letters aren't taken seriously by anyone in any Congressional office. That goes double for anything written on notebook paper."
Triple for crayon.
Posted by: Joe Biden's secretary at July 02, 2012 07:43 AM (V40IZ)
Brave brave John Roberts, he bravely ran away.
Brave brave John Roberts, he bravely ran away.
They'll send your premiums straight through the roof,
You'll wait for years if you have a sore tooth.
They'll cut off your care and leave you for dead,
They'll mine the tonsils right out of your head.
Brave brave John Roberts, he bravely turned and fled.
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 07:44 AM (TULs6)
They tied it to whether or not you were a union. That was one of the "fixes" that was done with reconciliation.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 07:45 AM (YdQQY)
Eric Fehrnstrom, a senior Mitt Romney campaign advisor, said in an interview Monday that Romney agrees with Obama that the mechanism to enforce the so-called mandate that Americans have insurance — a provision modeled after the Massachusetts law Romney had signed as governor — was a penalty and not a tax, a statement that runs counter to what the rest of the GOP has argued in the wake of the Supreme Court ruling last Thursday.
LA Times
*sigh*
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2012 07:45 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 07:45 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:45 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Shit You'll Tell Your Grandchildren at July 02, 2012 07:46 AM (IoNBC)
Well, thats easy to fix
They'll just keep changing the time frame. When I was working temp job, there were various businesses that did the 90 days as temp and then you were deemed hired thing. I worked quite the number of 75-80 day assignments.
I fully expect there to be much mucking about with the Medicare/Medicaid lookback provisions. I believe the current lookback is five years. I anticipate this moving to 10 years applied retroactively.
Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 07:46 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2012 07:46 AM (tqwMN)
"Just wait for the day the Left tries to tax live birth."
Only births by mothers who are registered (R). You have the option to raise another wicked little Republican, but you do not have the option to avoid the fundraising the (D) party will need to buy a nullifying vote.
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 07:47 AM (V40IZ)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 07:47 AM (UZQM8)
Since guaranteed issue hasn't come to pass, yet, I call BS.
HIPAA already required that your pre-existing condition be covered if you'd carried creditable coverage prior to your current policy. If you weren't carrying coverage when you acquired the condition, why should anyone other than you pay for it?
Where you denied coverage prior to acquiring the condition in question? If so, why? Were you aware that your state almost certainly (I think 45 of the 50 do) has a High Risk Pool which will cover all conditions and bases acceptance not on health, but on ineligibility for other coverage?
Did you or your spouse work for an employer who provided health coverage? If so, you were automatically qualified for that coverage. They might not have covered your pre-existing condition immediately, but after a waiting period (typically 12 - 18 months, if you didn't have prior creditable coverage) they were already required to cover the condition- HIPAA was passed in 1996 which requires that. If you did have creditable coverage, they were required to cover said condition immediately.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 07:48 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 02, 2012 07:48 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 11:40 AM (tf9Ne)
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It is true - the poor will always be horrendously prolific baby factories. That said, they will NOT tax births to the productive class. We are, after all, the new slaves. WE are the ones who support it all, keep it all going. They need us. Every child born in America today to a family that works and pays taxes and tries to obey the law is a Slave. A slave to the Leftist bureaucrats, and a slavce to the Welfare Class.
Time for a slave uprising. Let us ponder the example of Haiti (OK - hear me out). The slaves there rose up and took very definitive action - nowadays nobody is left there who does not physically resemble the slave rebels. Imagine the result here if one day we woke up and everybody "looked like us" in terms of behavior and values - hard working, law abiding, free-minded individuals.
Posted by: Reactionary at July 02, 2012 07:48 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2012 07:48 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 02, 2012 07:49 AM (ZGD9B)
If you see trees in the neighborhood with the bark scraped off, that was me. I'm just being proactive and stocking up.
Posted by: Albie Damned at July 02, 2012 07:49 AM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:49 AM (WkuV6)
Obama : Economy :: Death Star : Alderaan
C'mon Slublog, let's get that Demotivator made.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 07:51 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Shit You'll Tell Your Grandchildren at July 02, 2012 07:51 AM (IoNBC)
We are, after all, the new slaves. WE are the ones who support it all, keep it all going. They need us. Every child born in America today to a family that works and pays taxes and tries to obey the law is a Slave. A slave to the Leftist bureaucrats, and a slavce to the Welfare Class.
Who is John Galt?
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 07:51 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Shit You'll Tell Your Grandchildren at July 02, 2012 11:51 AM (IoNBC)
This is the scariest one, because it is so plausible.
Posted by: Reactionary at July 02, 2012 07:52 AM (xUM1Q)
The labor organization with the old contract would fire all the workers and the new one would hire them at a reduced salary. (if the contract was lower cost)
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 07:52 AM (YdQQY)
State law controls this (for now).
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 07:53 AM (YdQQY)
Anderson Cooper reveals he's gay: 'I couldn't be any more happy, comfortable
New York Daily News
*tee hee*
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2012 07:54 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2012 07:54 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2012 11:48 AM (05RcU
>
It is a depression
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 02, 2012 07:54 AM (mFxQX)
Posted by: Contintental Army at July 02, 2012 07:54 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:54 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at July 02, 2012 07:55 AM (J6kXj)
Posted by: gum chewer at July 02, 2012 07:56 AM (L9Mr/)
Posted by: Contintental Army at July 02, 2012 07:56 AM (x7g7t)
And will switch to controlling private citizens generating their own electricity in the future.
Does anybody know hoe to effectively conceal a steam engine?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 07:57 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at July 02, 2012 07:57 AM (izA2D)
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 11:52 AM (YdQQY)
>>> Well all they had to do was keep renewing contracts and make sure they were always lower and pretty soon the labor would be free/
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 02, 2012 07:57 AM (mFxQX)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:57 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Contintental Army at July 02, 2012 07:58 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 07:58 AM (WkuV6)
Forget that, I want one of those fridge-sized maintenance-free nuclear generators Insty touts occasionally. (I think it was Toshiba that developed them).
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2012 07:58 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: Stuff Your Grandkids Will Never Believe at July 02, 2012 07:59 AM (CGjum)
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 11:53 AM (YdQQY)
What if there isn't enough capacity? State Law can't overcome physics.
That's the plan.
Posted by: Contintental Army at July 02, 2012 11:56 AM (x7g7t)
What will happen is the utilities will shutdown coal plants temporarily until the Obama crowd is run out. Hopefully when Romney is elected his EPA will reascend all the Obama regs. IN the interval the utilities will run more oil or gas fired IC turbines which are much more expensive to operate.
Guess what. "Fuel adjustment clause". You will pay for it.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 07:59 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: The Ruling Elite at July 02, 2012 07:59 AM (6j180)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 08:00 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Greg Louganis at July 02, 2012 08:00 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at July 02, 2012 08:00 AM (UU0OF)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 08:01 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: The Slave Formerly Known as Jaws at July 02, 2012 08:02 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2012 11:58 AM (tqwMN)
There is no such thing as a "maintenance free nuclear reactor". All those new modular reactors are are just small 200MW PWRs. They will actually be more expensive to operate on a price per KW basis
There is a reason utilities use the 1000MW models.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 08:03 AM (YdQQY)
Does anybody know hoe to effectively conceal a steam engine?
Wood gas generators and wood gasifiers, and ethanol (E85 or even better, 'natured' E96) with flex-fuel generators.
So long as you have access to vegetation you can have lights.
But you'll need a still, and learn to make hooch, and somehow restrain yourself from drinking all the fuel.
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 08:03 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 08:04 AM (WkuV6)
A friend and I were half joking about the coming chaos. We've long noticed that there are a lot of humungously fat women in LA and were wondering how long after the food disappeared from the shelves, it would take for them to start disappearing too...
Long pig anyone? /watched Book of Eli too many times
Posted by: baldilocks at July 02, 2012 08:05 AM (6kWFm)
"But you'll need a still, and learn to make hooch, and somehow restrain yourself from drinking all the fuel."
Hm. Have lights, or get lit? Decisions, decisions....
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 08:06 AM (CGjum)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 08:07 AM (WkuV6)
A friend and I were half joking about the coming chaos. We've long noticed that there are a lot of humungously fat women in LA and were wondering how long after the food disappeared from the shelves, it would take for them to start disappearing too...
Long pig anyone? /watched Book of Eli too many times
Posted by: baldilocks at July 02, 2012 12:05 PM (6kWFm)
Heh. Watch for a sudden outcropping of smokehouses.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 08:07 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Scipio Africanus at July 02, 2012 08:08 AM (XYqoq)
"watched Book of Eli too many times"
The touch of irony that the same actress who played a character in West Wing that ultimately became Chief of Staff in Democrat Utopia wound up also playing a post-apocalyptic cannibal was not lost on me.
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 08:09 AM (CGjum)
Posted by: Anachronda at July 02, 2012 08:09 AM (xGZ+b)
No. No you did not.
BTW I'm not playing chess, I'm playing Twister!!
Posted by: Chief Justice Awesome at July 02, 2012 08:10 AM (zsgo8)
Hmm, I haven't read all the comments, but I see you guys aren't too far off from what I've been thinking about this morning:
Maybe I should start learning about medicine. Start taking nursing classes at the local community college and/or online...
Not for a paying job, but to go Galt. Or Galt-ish.
Posted by: Mama AJ at July 02, 2012 08:10 AM (SUKHu)
Does anybody know hoe to effectively conceal a steam engine?
I believe the name you are looking for with regards to this device is "Humidifier."
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 08:10 AM (CGjum)
Posted by: Greg Louganis at July 02, 2012 08:11 AM (KXm42)
This problem can be dealt with by putting the claymores at 100 yards. Just remember to use reliable sensors for the detonators.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 02, 2012 08:13 AM (SAMxH)
They sell fish antibiotics at the pet store.
It's the same antibiotics... in fact if you do a bit of research you might find the same exact pills from the same batch from the same manufacturer, just off-labeled for fish use only.
Cuz fish aint's got no good metals to listens to.
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 08:13 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 12:04 PM (WkuV6)
There are several varieties out. Yes, some of them are pebble bed. But there is no big rush to use them. Pebble Bed reactors have been around for a long time. South Africa has one in operation but it is a big one.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 08:13 AM (YdQQY)
Newt Gingrich issued a warning, based on the destructive storms that hit the Washington, D.C. area over the weekend, on Twitter:
Friend and coauthor bill forstchen notes washington-baltimore blackout mild taste of what an emp (electromagnetic pulse) attack would do
— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) July 2, 2012
Posted by: BearManPig at July 02, 2012 08:14 AM (e8kgV)
Best thing I've seen online in a long time was on Mrs. Reason's FB this weekend.
It was one of those "Demotivator" poster mockups. The title was "SOLUTION." and the image was a US Flag with a tiny plug taken out of it and moved to one side. The plug was strategically removed so that it took out one star in the blue field, and a little bit of white and red stripe, such that this piece, when viewed on it's own, made the Texas State Flag.
Lurved. I'd provide a link, but I can't find the image in a normal image-search.
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 08:14 AM (CGjum)
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2012 08:14 AM (tqwMN)
I'm faxing Drew's GOP fight letter to Boehner and Cantor - when are the dickwads back in session, Monday? Added to it will be a big fat P.S. that passing the Highway Bill is just another broken promise (no bundled bills as per John "I'm Cryin'" Boehner). Couldn't wait to go on another vacay?
I'm also going to fax it to all those "tea party" jackholes that voted yay. Yes, Jason Chavetz, I'm lookin' at you.
Posted by: joanne is pissed off until November at July 02, 2012 08:14 AM (VNFBf)
1) Pelosi is asking, almost begging, for the Dem troops to try and sell Otax. She even implies O isn't doing enough.
2) Chucky Schumer is warning, I say warning the GOP of the folly of running on OTax repeal. He says we'll lose for sure if we do, and we know that he's always thinking of what's best for us.
Does this sound like the Dems like their chances? Be of good cheer.
Posted by: pep at July 02, 2012 08:15 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 08:15 AM (WkuV6)
I love CNBC, it's funnier than Comedy Central, which isn't funny at all.
Friday: Stocks Up On Eurozone Optimism
Today: Stocks Slip On Fading EU Hopes
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 08:15 AM (9Q7Nu)
Never watched West Wing. This one? "I know what the fuck *I'm* doin'!"
Posted by: baldilocks at July 02, 2012 08:16 AM (6kWFm)
CNBC is like a weather forecast.
Today: Mostly worry, chance of optimism.
Tomorrow: Mostly optimistic, chance of worry.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 08:17 AM (9Q7Nu)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 08:17 AM (WkuV6)
Simple. Direct IRS to not enforce the law. Obama has already established ample precedent for an administration ignoring existing law.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 02, 2012 08:17 AM (PqMHM)
I got my EMT cert and held onto the books for just that purpose.
I'm not much good with long term illnesses but I can maintain ABCs ,splint, compress, stabilize and transport etc. pretty well. A few months interning on a city ambulance will pretty much cover the bases for emergent trauma and medical stuff.
Posted by: reality check at July 02, 2012 08:17 AM (zsgo8)
Today: Stocks Slip On Fading EU Hopes
But they had a breakthrough and everything.
Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 08:18 AM (KXm42)
@260 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2012 11:45 AM (kdS6q)
Are you fucking serious?
That sliver of hope I'm holding on to keeps getting smaller and smaller.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 08:18 AM (rX1N2)
Today: Stocks Slip On Fading EU Hopes Posted by: soothsayer
They debuted that line up in 2010 and it has been reruns ever since.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at July 02, 2012 08:18 AM (famk3)
Posted by: Greg Louganis at July 02, 2012 12:11 PM (KXm42)
She's gorgeous! They couldn't quite make her look plain in B of E.
Posted by: baldilocks at July 02, 2012 08:19 AM (6kWFm)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 08:19 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 08:19 AM (WkuV6)
Import children from India and then force them to run in place on a treadmill for 16 hours a day.
If you want a stealth version confiscate their jewelry and make them wear moccasins.
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 08:19 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: dnice at July 02, 2012 08:19 AM (Tnt6v)
Anyone actually watch CNBC? I glance at it from time to time but don't watch it anymore.
Is Steve Liesman a complete commie shithead, or is he just playing around?
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 08:19 AM (9Q7Nu)
Every survival library should have a copy of this. http://tinyurl.com/2egjt5t
US Army Survival Manual: FM 21-76
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 08:20 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: BearManPig at July 02, 2012 08:21 AM (e8kgV)
The day after the diet Coke runs out? Mass suicides.
(How long can you store ibuprofen? I like to think I could gradually taper down what's left of my coffee, but I don't know.)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 08:21 AM (/kI1Q)
How about "Obamacare Must Be Destroyed"? Or "Obamacare Must Be Torn Down!"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 02, 2012 08:21 AM (exvgC)
"Can someone remind me what insurance / health care groups lobbied for Obamacare? And why?"
They have liberals on their boards and key management positions.
That answer should suffice for both questions.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 08:22 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: New Comments Thingy at July 02, 2012 08:22 AM (u5ozF)
Posted by: Contintental Army at July 02, 2012 08:22 AM (x7g7t)
@baldi - WW was a learning tool for me. Watched it to see what the liberals hated about Dubya and what they thought the Oval really was all about / what they wished it was all about.
Apparently John Edwards learned everything he thought he needed to know about campaigning from the last two or three seasons (which are all about nookie on the campaign trail).
Apparently Obama learned everything he thought he needed to know from the first five seasons (which is basically, have a catchy couple of put-downs for your oppenents, and they will fall in line with their tails tucked between their legs. The success of your policies is automatic and requires no effort.)
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 08:22 AM (W2YA6)
Wow, I did Wilderness EMT with my son four years ago. I learned a lot of shit. Mostly ABC and SAMPLE.
Ha ha. I kept my books too. There is nowhere to volunteer in my town, all professionals and Para Medics, so I could never keep my license current.
I learned a couple of things. EMT's are not organ donors for a reason, and without a defibrillator soon, all that CPR is bullshit.
Still have my kit in the car.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at July 02, 2012 08:22 AM (KZI7g)
This problem can be dealt with by putting the claymores at 100 yards. Just remember to use reliable sensors for the detonators.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 02, 2012 12:13 PM (SAMxH)
And if you have to exfil quick, How to Drop Kick A Claymore
Posted by: tangonine at July 02, 2012 08:23 AM (x3YFz)
This morning CNBC was talking about Mexico's new president and privatizing or taking over the oil.
Liesman said "if we took over ExxonMobil, imagine all the good we could do." Everyone else chuckled.
I don't know if he was joking, though, because I'm not a regular viewer.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 08:23 AM (9Q7Nu)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 08:24 AM (WkuV6)
Dump mittens, then get a nomineee who will, in fact, repeal obamacare NOMITTNOBAMA 2012! America deserves better and can get it (if the people want it ). If mittens were a patriot, he's step down and support JINDAL/WEST 2012!
Posted by: NoMittens at July 02, 2012 08:24 AM (lTnzg)
"They debuted that line up in 2010 and it has been reruns ever since."
Sort of like "unexpected" at Bloomberg. That's the only reason I give Bloomberg any traffic these days is to go over there after the latest employment and economic data gets released.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 08:24 AM (rX1N2)
Re: fish antibiotics
Maybe one of the cobloggers can make a prepper/EOD/SHTF thread where we can post linkies and the like.
Think of it as a Pinterest for Preppers.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 02, 2012 08:24 AM (C8hzL)
Read up on the army corp of engineers recent spate of floodings (and subsequent carpetbagging of land at 'floodsale' prices and/or EPA declaring wetlands).
Makes you think the Agenda 21/Black Helicopter nutters may not be so crazy after all.
Especially when you consider how many crazy leftists are convinced Bush flooded New Orleans on purpose for no good reason - turn about is fair play, no? Think they're above it? You're wrong.
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 08:25 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 08:25 AM (9TTOe)
http://tinyurl.com/7fm2zka
That's like a retired person taking some time away from the grind.
Posted by: Albie Damned at July 02, 2012 08:25 AM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: NoMittens
Proggmatic, get back to Hot Air.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at July 02, 2012 08:26 AM (famk3)
"Impeach Roberts. He's gone full retard or he is on the take."
Invitations to the A-List dinner parties in DC are worth their weight in silver, apparently.
Posted by: Judas at July 02, 2012 08:27 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Your thoroughly-indoctrinated Grandchild at July 02, 2012 08:27 AM (cv5Iw)
Not everyone has the brand of stupid that is CA.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 08:27 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Dan at July 02, 2012 08:28 AM (/7gN/)
once again pep, you assume it's about us versus them.
A Romney election is a pyrrhic victory as he has no intent to eliminate O's Hellcare . Romney DESIGNED the damn thing!
Romney has no track record of taking major liberal policies to the right. None. In fact the opposite is true.
Even getting rid of OCare means nothing as the rule of law and the system of checks and balances in the US has been serious wounded possibly mortally.
But keep on cheerleading if it gets you through the day.
Posted by: reality check at July 02, 2012 08:28 AM (zsgo8)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 08:29 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at July 02, 2012 08:29 AM (5mx3x)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 12:27 PM (/kI1Q)
Tell me about it, that fucking slacker. Valerie and I are still on the case.
Posted by: Michelle at July 02, 2012 08:29 AM (KZI7g)
Deep pervasive anger. It's out there.
Posted by: small town girl at July 02, 2012 08:29 AM (vn1hI)
Yeah, the DBD about Roberts' wife not liking his decision is funny, but let's face it, she's probably the one who lobbied for it. DC wives *love* their dinner parties.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2012 08:29 AM (tqwMN)
Pemex is essentially state owned...and a complete clusterfuck operation.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 02, 2012 08:29 AM (PqMHM)
If mittens were a patriot, he's step down and support JINDAL/WEST 2012!
Posted by: NoMittens
Proggmatic, get back to Hot Air.
That's actually a Free Republic thang. Remember when people went there?
Posted by: Jaws at July 02, 2012 08:30 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 08:30 AM (9TTOe)
Gaining unauthorized access to my area would be an exhilarating exercise. Possibly even survivable.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 02, 2012 08:31 AM (SAMxH)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 08:31 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: reality check
Ah, the TRUE CONSERVATIVE is back to lecture us all.
Tedious.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at July 02, 2012 08:32 AM (famk3)
Posted by: Anachronda at July 02, 2012 08:32 AM (IrbU4)
Posted by: Dan at July 02, 2012 12:28 PM (/7gN/)
Showing us how sooper dooper competent he is.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 08:33 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 08:33 AM (WkuV6)
No one's gonna keep you alive if you've got useful bits.
I'm kind of surprised there's nothing in the Obamacare law to the effect of "by being alive, you consent to organ harvest at your local Community Resource Efficiency Panel's recommendations."
You (your labor, your income, your children) are a resource to be used for the good of the state, why not your kidney? Someone more important than you needs it.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 08:33 AM (/kI1Q)
notes washington-baltimore blackout mild taste of what an emp
(electromagnetic pulse) attack would do
— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) July 2, 2012
Posted by: BearManPig at July 02, 2012 12:14 PM (e8kgV)
The book is "One Second After".. And it's a scary read.
Posted by: Dave C at July 02, 2012 08:33 AM (3GRfo)
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 02, 2012 12:29 PM (PqMHM)
And an unmitigated disaster in all respects
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 02, 2012 08:33 AM (mFxQX)
Posted by: Dan at July 02, 2012 12:28 PM (/7gN/)
That fucking idiot Roberts put him in this box. The GOP line has to be now that Ogabe imposed a massive tax...therefore RomneyCare was a tax.
He can't label Obama a killer by tax w/o it sticking to himself
Posted by: Albie Damned at July 02, 2012 08:33 AM (Yhu4q)
Invitations to the A-List dinner parties in DC are worth their weight in
Posted by: Judas at July 02, 2012 12:27 PM (4I3Uo)
Suggested alternative.
Posted by: Retread at July 02, 2012 08:33 AM (I2fq9)
Posted by: Anachronda at July 02, 2012 12:32 PM (IrbU4)
Good point. I guess the shoved project would only be half-assed at that juncture.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2012 08:34 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at July 02, 2012 12:24 PM (KZI7g)
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What's the first thing the government is going to shut down if there's even a hint of open rebellion? Get the book.
Posted by: Soona at July 02, 2012 08:34 AM (Mtcin)
Please remember Val-U-Rite soaked tampons up there are a Bad Idea.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 08:35 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2012 08:35 AM (tqwMN)
Hahahahahahaha
That has never been done not once. Even after catching one red handed in a bribery scandal he was not impeached. He resigned (Abe Fortas)
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 08:35 AM (YdQQY)
"I fear the Republicans don't have the guts to eliminate the EPA. Unlike Scott Walker, they won't do the 'right' thing and let the results speak for themselves. "
Doing it would be a huge challenge in the "court of public opinion." You'd have to fight a lot of claims of "hating the environment," "being against clean air," and "being against clean water."
You'd have everyone who owns a copy of "Gasland" up against you.
To do it right, you would need to make sure your term is long enough to survive the period of unpopularity, and start showing some success before you're done in your position. Not so much for your own chances of getting re-elected, but for sake of the person replacing you not putting everything back.
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 08:36 AM (W2YA6)
Life would be easier.
Because grass and leaves are everywhere and "herbivore" , duh .
Posted by: reality check at July 02, 2012 08:36 AM (zsgo8)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at July 02, 2012 08:36 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 08:37 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 12:33 PM (/kI1Q)
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Strange to be reading this today. I was watching "Repo Man" last night and was thinking the same thing.
Posted by: Soona at July 02, 2012 08:38 AM (Mtcin)
Romney is basically saying Fuck You to both Plans A and B.
His messaging on OCare is going to be completely unintelligible to the swing voter. Hell, it's just started getting unintelligible to me.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 08:38 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: dogfish at July 02, 2012 08:39 AM (NuPNl)
After removal Alcee Hastings went on to become a congressman where his corruption was less objectionable.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 02, 2012 08:39 AM (PqMHM)
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 08:40 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 08:41 AM (UZQM8)
I wonder what high level staff changes happened in his campaign in the last week?
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 02, 2012 08:41 AM (PqMHM)
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2012 12:35 PM (tqwMN)
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Get the book and be sure. If there is open rebellion, our electronic luxuries will be one of the first things destined to the dust-bin.
Posted by: Soona at July 02, 2012 08:42 AM (Mtcin)
The ISMÂ’s manufacturing purchasing managersÂ’ index plunged to 49.7 last month from 53.5 in May. A reading above 50 indicates expanding activity.
Economists surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires had expected the June PMI to slip only to 52.0.
Posted by: Gordon Gekko at July 02, 2012 08:42 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 08:43 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2012 08:43 AM (tqwMN)
So contribute something.
Here's some DOOM from VDH.
http://is.gd/1f2uw7
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 08:44 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 08:44 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Billy Carter at July 02, 2012 08:44 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2012 08:44 AM (tqwMN)
You could just bolt an old school steam engine to any old electric motor. Electric motors can swing both ways.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 02, 2012 08:45 AM (PqMHM)
wow, could we see 2nd Qtr GDP of <1%?
I'm hearing an expectation of 100K jobs added for June.
Lousy.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 08:45 AM (9Q7Nu)
While Congressional Republicans have seized on the Supreme CourtÂ’s ruling that President ObamaÂ’s health care overhaul is constitutional as a tax, presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt RomneyÂ’s top campaign strategist undercut that line of argument Monday, saying that the governor agrees with Mr. Obama that the law is not a tax.
“The governor has consistently described the mandate in Massachusetts as a penalty,” Eric Fehrnstrom, Mr. Romney’s strategist, said on MSNBC. “The governor disagreed with the ruling of the court; he agreed with the dissent that was written by Justice Scalia, which clearly states the mandate was not a tax.”
Oh good. That clears things up nicely. Maybe next we can argue the meaning of "is".
Posted by: reality check at July 02, 2012 08:45 AM (zsgo8)
Well...sometimes. This thread is starting to look like Katie freakin Couric.
Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 08:47 AM (KXm42)
Those are all fluffers to added to the WH staff.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 02, 2012 08:47 AM (PqMHM)
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 12:36 PM (W2YA6)
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All Romney would have to do is roll the EPA regs back to 2005 to begin. Then work from their. It will take some time to dismantle the monster we have in DC. Don't be looking for quick fixes.
The only real quick fix in the foreseeable future is Ocare. Repeal! Repeal! Repeal!
Posted by: Soona at July 02, 2012 08:47 AM (Mtcin)
Will any type of wood work or certain types only?
Really, you can do this with any vegetable matter.
And that goes for both alchohol and wood gas to some extent, though certain types lend better to different methods. Obviously, high sugar content will easily produce alchohol. Getting alchohol from fermenting wood and sawdust is possible, but not hardly worth the effort and it is technically very difficult.
Wood gasifiers will probably work best with wood... actually, I have read best with charcoal which you can make from wood.
But I wouldn't rule out throwing a bunch of bananas and some switch grass in there and having it work a bit in a pinch. It's all hydrocarbons anyway.
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 08:49 AM (TULs6)
My BiL as some property that likely has natural gas. He's negotiating to lease the property for exploration and any possible royalties.
His HS aged daughter mentioned this in class one day and the teacher promptly announced to the rest of the students that her daddy was ruining the water supply.
Posted by: Albie Damned at July 02, 2012 08:49 AM (Yhu4q)
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/army-survival-for-ipad-iphone/id343747489?mt=8
Posted by: baldilocks at July 02, 2012 08:49 AM (6kWFm)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 08:49 AM (8y9MW)
You know what the best way to serve tube steaks is? flour tortillas! All the condiments, onions and stuff doesn't fall out when they're done up as a "wrap"
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 02, 2012 08:49 AM (PqMHM)
Found the site that I'd seen before on steam engines. They're spendy but I figured it wouldn't take too much engineering to hook to generator part from a gasoline model.
http://reliablesteam.com/RSE/RSEengines.html
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 08:50 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 08:51 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2012 08:51 AM (r4wIV)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 08:51 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 08:51 AM (9TTOe)
Where? None here in California unless CJ John Roberts made the jobs magically appear out of nowhere.
Posted by: mpfs, I can See Nov 6th From My House at July 02, 2012 08:52 AM (iYbLN)
"His HS aged daughter mentioned this in class one day and the teacher promptly announced to the rest of the students that her daddy was ruining the water supply."
Bingo. It's a lot easier to watch a YouTube video of somebody setting their tap water on fire and assuming "natural gas == BAD!" than to do actual work and learn stuff.
You can't force someone knowledge on someone.
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 08:52 AM (F26eZ)
If you think about it, this has been a big win for companies. If you work part time they don't have to give you any perks like insurance. So the trick has been to limit your hours so you are considered part time. This is going on all over the country. And if you ask about carrying your own insurance, even though you are part time, they refer you to the bank of mom and dad.
This is good for the administration. Can you imagine how many people would be running around not covered by insurance? It would be way more obvious than it is now. Right now, it still looks like "everything's fine"
Posted by: stare decisis at July 02, 2012 08:52 AM (oZfic)
Since retirement means Monday is just another day I will leave y'all to get through your work day.
There are fish to be annoyed and grandkids to torment.
Have the best day possible, good people.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 02, 2012 08:53 AM (SAMxH)
IRS workers, analyzing your proof of insurance?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 08:54 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 08:54 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: sympleton at July 02, 2012 08:55 AM (cVYiZ)
True.
You can only force health care on them.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 08:55 AM (sbV1u)
You have to use your imagination, but if you do it right you can bring anything back to life.
Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 08:55 AM (KXm42)
"I'm hearing an expectation of 100K jobs added for June."
Got a big Ally Bank hub near my place of business laying off 55 people this month. They're bringing in replacements from India for training, then shipping them back home.
Such a government success story that Ally Bank!
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 08:56 AM (rX1N2)
a poster on an ONT posted this recipe for Bobby Flay's burger. I don't have the original link but it is the same recipe.
We tried it and the family LOVED it.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/7lupqgy
definitely something to try on the grill
Posted by: reality check at July 02, 2012 08:57 AM (zsgo8)
We'll have none of that here!
Posted by: The Indpependent Payment Advisory Board at July 02, 2012 08:57 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 12:54 PM (/kI1Q)
FLOTUS hired some more vacation planners, maybe?
Posted by: Albie Damned at July 02, 2012 08:57 AM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 08:57 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™
The IRS will become the single most powerful arm of the government. You won't be able to escape their scrutiny. Does anyone believe your medical information will remain confidential? Fat fucking chance. They will share this information with every federal agency. Life as we know it in these United States is changed forever.
Roberts should resign from the court, he is a disgrace to Lady Justice and the Constitution.
Posted by: mpfs, I can See Nov 6th From My House at July 02, 2012 08:58 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: stare decisis at July 02, 2012 08:58 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 08:59 AM (9TTOe)
438, you know what works really well -- coal
Well if you have access to coal you don't need wood gas, duh. That is for if you don't happen to have a coal mine in your back yard.
But now that you mention it - I know there is that gasified coal stuff, but I never looked into it. Is it actually the same thing? Now that I think about it, it may well be.
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 08:59 AM (TULs6)
The Chief Justice declared it unconstitutional if it's not a tax. Obama and his advisers keep claiming it's not a tax. So, one theory would be to say, "Fine, it's not a tax. Let's go back to the Supreme Court and hear you specify that it is not, and should in no way be considered, a tax."
I don't know that I agree with it, but I don't think it's horrible, either.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 08:59 AM (8y9MW)
You know what the best way to serve tube steaks is?
Yes. Inserted into a fish taco.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 02, 2012 09:00 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: sympleton at July 02, 2012 09:00 AM (cVYiZ)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 09:00 AM (UZQM8)
http://reliablesteam.com/RSE/RSEengines.html
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 12:50 PM (tf9Ne)
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What people don't realize about steam engines is that it's usually not the fuel for the fire that's most worrisome, it's the water and it's quality thereof. Water high in minerals will cause maintainence problems as in mineral build-up in lines, hoses, but most of all the boiler.
Posted by: Soona at July 02, 2012 09:01 AM (Mtcin)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2012 09:01 AM (05RcU)
...your dollarsssss hasssssten my return....
Posted by: a feeble, but still alive, VoldeJobs at July 02, 2012 12:56 PM (F26eZ)
LOL
Posted by: baldilocks at July 02, 2012 09:01 AM (6kWFm)
Low sodium and high protein too!
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 09:01 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2012 09:02 AM (8sCoq)
So you're saying send your water through a water softener, first?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 09:02 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: sympleton at July 02, 2012 01:00 PM (cVYiZ)
Read the blog and comments sections since the ruling. Most commenters here would probably rather take a power drill to their kneecaps than repeat this shit endlessly.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 09:02 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: Doc at July 02, 2012 09:03 AM (RkH4v)
"A lot of people already like the idea that the "kids" are covered. Heck some of those "kids" who were fired and living at home with mom and dad after age 26 have to buy insurance or COBRA, I can tell you, they are all doing without insurance. And mom and dad are very angry that the law doesn't cover them further. "
DUBIOUS. ANECDOTAL. UNPROVEN.
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 09:03 AM (F26eZ)
Nice summation, I thought.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 09:03 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:04 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: HeatherRadish
I'm more of a take, take kinda guy. Besides it's time to stop producing and start living off of someone else's hard work.
Posted by: dogfish at July 02, 2012 09:04 AM (NuPNl)
Posted by: sympleton at July 02, 2012 09:04 AM (cVYiZ)
Another choice is to collect an filter natures distilled water that come out of your downspout.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 09:05 AM (tf9Ne)
What people don't realize about steam engines is that it's usually not the fuel for the fire that's most worrisome, it's the water and it's quality thereof. Water high in minerals will cause maintainence problems as in mineral build-up in lines, hoses, but most of all the boiler.
That just goes back to the fundementally essential nature of having a still.
Then you can make distilled water. Granted, it won't be completely soft... may wind up with some azeotropes. But everyone should have a still.
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 09:05 AM (TULs6)
Then the guy should construct an anti BOcaretax pledge for them to sign too. this way he's killing two birds with one stone and we'll know right away who wouldn't sign.
He can ask romney to sign it. And while he's at it, after all of the house and the senate, go for the governors.
Posted by: stare decisis at July 02, 2012 09:05 AM (oZfic)
Only moms and dads with highly subsidized (and, therefore, probably "Fully Funded") plans through their employers.
If mom and dad are paying most or all of the premium, they aren't so hot to keep junior on the insurance.
And if you're 26 - 30 and in good health, there's no reason you can't carry your own (lesser) coverage at a decent cost already.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 09:06 AM (8y9MW)
Thanks for that link to VDH doom. I think I'll go jump off the roof now.
Sheesh.
Seriously though, unplugging from the system seems rather rational at this point. Might lose some luxuries, might regain some sanity. What is coming our way is pretty fearful to contemplate.
Posted by: Derak at July 02, 2012 09:06 AM (r3pF5)
Lemme guess, one of them will step over the line, get banned, leaving the remaining troll to pat himself on the back, "I did good, didn't I fellow Conservatives!!"
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at July 02, 2012 09:07 AM (famk3)
461 Roberts' decision was correct, brilliant and pro-Conservative:
Posted by: sympleton
this is the debate, right here. Maybe this is a correct assessment of the ultimate effects, maybe not. In any case it was a calculated gamble for Roberts that accomplished a great number of internal court goals, but very little general political ones, especially when one stops to consider that the whole thing could have been struck down.
Frankly, the downside of striking it down (liberal anger and calls for a packed court or some such) is not a very good reason to take this gamble. I agree with teh idea that this significantly limited the commerce clause, but the substitution of the tax power is not as institutionally limited as Roberts might think.
All in all, a gamble and a dangerous one, when the other option was so much in play.
Posted by: imp at July 02, 2012 09:07 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 12:54 PM (WkuV6)
--------------------------------------------
I'll one-up ya'. The vast majority of people don't realize how cheap healthcare was before the government got into the medical business (LBJ's Great Society - 1965).
Posted by: Soona at July 02, 2012 09:07 AM (Mtcin)
Posted by: sympleton at July 02, 2012 09:08 AM (cVYiZ)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 09:08 AM (WkuV6)
'cause I'd pay to see that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 09:08 AM (8y9MW)
Thu 28 Jun 12 | 10:53 AM ET"
http://tinyurl.com/6qdn6xk
I like surprises.....would be nice if the republicans nominated this guy at the convention.
Posted by: stare decisis at July 02, 2012 09:08 AM (oZfic)
"Winning by using an intelligent strategy instead of the knee-jerk crap I see on pretty much every conservative blog."
So expecting the supreme court to perform its constitutionally outlined duty is now "knee-jerk" crap.
What flavor are your paint chips?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 09:09 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 02, 2012 09:09 AM (XYqoq)
Posted by: Doc at July 02, 2012 09:09 AM (RkH4v)
Posted by: sympleton at July 02, 2012 09:09 AM (cVYiZ)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:09 AM (9TTOe)
Obama has a warehouse full of "suspicious packages" waiting to be deployed on a moment's notice should anything start to gain traction and need to be busted up.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 02, 2012 09:10 AM (PqMHM)
While Commerce Clause powers can be debated, power to tax is pretty clear. He's given Court approval to the notion of government having the power to tax anything out of existence that it chooses to.
Posted by: nickless at July 02, 2012 09:10 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 02, 2012 09:11 AM (XYqoq)
Posted by: sympleton at July 02, 2012 09:11 AM (cVYiZ)
Posted by: sympleton at July 02, 2012 01:08 PM (cVYiZ)"
So, how long before sympleton spots the fatal flaw in this comment?
I'm putting my money on "never, even after the obvious is pointed out to him".
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 09:12 AM (rX1N2)
I have no faith whatsoever that they will do so. What was the last major "conservative" legislative victory? What was the last program that the GOP repealed or ended?
Please. Get real people. It's over. We are now a socialist health care country.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at July 02, 2012 09:12 AM (sOx93)
Without ObamaCare - Romney would |not| beat Obama in 2012. With it - he's almost assured victory.
It's not even worth responding. You seem to treat bald-faced speculation as utter truth.
One cannot argue with another's imagination.
Posted by: imp at July 02, 2012 09:12 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:13 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: sympleton at July 02, 2012 09:13 AM (cVYiZ)
My interest in steam engines is partially because I had a model one as a kid and so it's nostalgia not practicality. It really isn't hard to do without electricity in daily life except for refrigeration. They do make propane refrigerators but if there's no electricity propane is probably going to be scarce too.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 09:13 AM (tf9Ne)
That's my view also. But who lied about it being a tax?
The Ocare attorneys ? Or the judge who appears to have made " tax"appear from thin air? Who owns the misrepresentation of the facts.
Where did the tax theory come from? How can a judge rule on something other than what is at issue ?
I guess I'll have to wait 5 years for volume 1 of "The Late Great United States" from Treebark Press to find out.
Posted by: reality check at July 02, 2012 09:14 AM (zsgo8)
I crap bigger than you.
Posted by: internet toughguy #476 at July 02, 2012 09:14 AM (KXm42)
Obama has a warehouse full of "suspicious packages" waiting to be deployed on a moment's notice should anything start to gain traction and need to be busted up.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv)
Oh, sthop it!
Posted by: rEGGIE lOVE at July 02, 2012 09:14 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 09:14 AM (UZQM8)
You, sir or madam, are a moron. And not in a good way.
First off, no one (except the Chief Justice John Roberts, out of whole cloth) thinks this is a tax. It was not passed as a tax. The word "tax" was specifically avoided. It is a regulatory penalty. Those are two different things. For one thing, one is based on positive action: you choose to do something, so you pay a tax. The other is based on negative action (or: inaction): you chose not to do something, so you pay a penalty. And that's only the most superficial change.
Further, if the US Government has the authority to tax your choice not to engage in some behavior (when they already also have the power to tax your choice to engage in that same behavior), the US Government is under no constraints whatsoever.
The problem with the Commerce Clause abuse is not that it simply takes authority not in evidence, but that if "everything" including inaction is commerce, then the Federal Government has no limits. The same is true if they can tax any activity and its opposite inactivity. But we know that a limited Federal Government is specifically what the framers had in mind when they wrote the Constitution.
So, congratulations, your oh-so-conservative victory has made you a slave, the only difference is that the US Government won't track you down if you run away (but you'll have to pay your redemption price), and they won't use actual metal chains. Yet.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 09:14 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 01:02 PM (8y9MW)
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No. All I'm saying is there's a correlation between the mineral content in water and maintainence. Maintainence of steam engines is high just in itself, but if one lives in a part of the country where mineral content in water is high the maintainence will be higher.
A complete set of tools will be a must if one goes to steam.
Posted by: Soona at July 02, 2012 09:15 AM (Mtcin)
The only arguments I hear from you whiners is name-calling.
The door's on your right. Don't let it hit you on the way out.
Posted by: imp at July 02, 2012 09:15 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: Spicy Meatball at July 02, 2012 09:16 AM (mxnUd)
250 is a little light for 6'8"
In fact, it's a lot light.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 09:16 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 09:16 AM (UZQM8)
And tomorrow? ...NOT buying a new car every 5 years, or being "unpatriotic" and NOT hiring a plumber for $150 to fix your bum toilet flush valve you can fix yourself for $6 in parts in 15 minutes
This isn't a slippery slope, its a fucking cliff we just jumped off.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 02, 2012 09:16 AM (PqMHM)
Mom?
Posted by: Malia at July 02, 2012 09:16 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 09:16 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: sympleton at July 02, 2012 01:13 PM (cVYiZ)"
Said by someone who hasn't even bothered to read the arguments he's pining for made ad nauseum on a blog he just stumbled upon.
What we we do without an FNG striding in here to put us straight!
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 09:17 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at July 02, 2012 09:17 AM (J6kXj)
Now that's funny, no matter how you slice it. The guy with the two ivy league degrees from Harvard, who takes himself so seriously will be laughed at in history.
Posted by: stare decisis at July 02, 2012 09:17 AM (oZfic)
So since we're discussing movies (we're 500 comments in, that is 200 comments over the this is now a movie thread criteria), I must say that I am looking forward to Taken 2. Kill bad guys, Liam! Kill them a lot!
Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 09:18 AM (VtjlW)
Early this year I had to pay ALL of my medical costs. A Dr visit w/o insurance was $200.
Using gov number for inflation that cost should have been $137.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 09:19 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 09:19 AM (WkuV6)
Will his daughter be hawt this time?
Or will she have hotter, sluttier friends?
Please?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 09:20 AM (sbV1u)
A complete set of tools will be a must if one goes to steam.
Not to mention goggles. And, for me anyway, a nice corset. Mayhap a parasol.
Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 09:20 AM (VtjlW)
Right duder- despite the Obamacare being unpopular with the general public and 85%+ of Republicans, they're going to deliberately keep it in place for no reason other than to validate your inane defeatist fantasies.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 02, 2012 09:20 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:21 AM (9TTOe)
And mom and dad are very angry that the law doesn't cover them further. "
DUBIOUS. ANECDOTAL. UNPROVEN.
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 01:03 PM (F26eZ)
____
If you'd have included PIXILATED. - you'd have summarized every one of curious' posts.
Posted by: kallisto at July 02, 2012 09:21 AM (jm/9g)
"So since we're discussing movies..."
That's it, ace must be polishing up his latest magnum opus. Just can't figure out what movie he'd be reviewing.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 09:22 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: sympleton at July 02, 2012 09:23 AM (cVYiZ)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 09:23 AM (UZQM8)
"I've always been legally obligated to pay for other people's health insurance. The Feds having been taking it out of my paycheck since I was 15.
"The Feds also require a straight-up redistribution of wealth from working people to retired people - again, taken right out of my income before I even get hold of it.
"Now everybody's freaking out about this latest law like it's something new under the sun. I haven't had the difference explained to me."
Of course, Obamacare is worse, because Medicare as a single payer system is actually simpler (and we saw how well that controls costs). Medicare also doesn't have death panels.
But if we're intellectually consistent, we really need to see Medicare taken down as well.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at July 02, 2012 09:23 AM (+XVQe)
Posted by: Disappointing Name Caller at July 02, 2012 09:23 AM (C8mVl)
540 As for the duking it out - I'm 6'8" and weigh
Mom?
Posted by: Malia at July 02, 2012 01:16 PM (MMC8r)
Fixed for accuracy
Posted by: imp at July 02, 2012 09:23 AM (UaxA0)
Obamacare II: The Reaming
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 09:23 AM (sbV1u)
Just watched Taken the other day so maybe her friends can be hotter but no not sluttier. They weren't in town for an hour and the blonde already picked out the taco filling for the night.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 09:24 AM (tf9Ne)
Will his daughter be hawt this time?
You, sir, have slandered the good hotassery of Maggie Grace. This is an insult which shall not stand. I hereby challenge thee.
Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 09:24 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:24 AM (9TTOe)
Challenge accepted.
I demand pistols, leather corsets and some slow jazz.... at dusk.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 09:26 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: sympleton at July 02, 2012 01:23 PM (cVYiZ)"
I suggest reading the blog. Hell, next time just try reading the thread you're posting in.
It's weird suggesting someone who's supposedly 6'8" take baby steps.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 09:27 AM (rX1N2)
>>>Right duder- despite the Obamacare being unpopular with the general public and 85%+ of Republicans, they're going to deliberately keep it in place for no reason other than to validate your inane defeatist fantasies.
Hollowpoint...I agree with you, there isn't much political downside for repealing the law. Especially when so many of the GOP reps specifically were elected to do so.
The problem is, and I hate to be on the side of the eyeores here, is that the remaining Dems and the shills in the MFM aren't just gonna let it happen. The caterwauling will be epic. Romney and the presumptive new GOP majority had better learn to ignore it. And we had better be prepared to have to do the heavy lifting ( read:screaming loader than the libs) again.
It seem to be our lot in life.
Posted by: Donald Verrilli at July 02, 2012 09:27 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:27 AM (9TTOe)
While I loved the kick ass nature of Taken, I really dislike Liam Nesson's political stances, including his latest one about thinking about converting to Islam. So, I am torn and will probably just wait to see it for free a year down the road.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 02, 2012 09:28 AM (RZ8pf)
"That's it, ace must be polishing up his latest magnum opus. Just can't figure out what movie he'd be reviewing."
The one with the teddy bear.
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 09:28 AM (F26eZ)
Tyrone Jones' petition appears to be the first filed in the wake of the court's 5-4 decision. The 56-year-old has served nearly four decades since his arrest at age 16 in the North Philadelphia street slaying.
How is a "real life" sentence cruel and unusual. Which when that part of the Constitution was written meant specifically drawing and quartering and other forms of torturous death.
http://is.gd/gGZoRZ
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 09:29 AM (YdQQY)
"Now everybody's freaking out about this latest law like it's something new under the sun. I haven't had the difference explained to me."
Perhaps she should sit down and do the math on just how much of her paycheck she's willing to keep giving up.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 09:29 AM (rX1N2)
SO we need to start a campaign to send them earplugs after the election?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 09:29 AM (tf9Ne)
"If you'd have included PIXILATED. - you'd have summarized every one of curious' posts."
*wince* You know, it really felt like I was missing something when I hit POST.
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 09:29 AM (F26eZ)
"The only arguments I hear from you whiners is name-calling."
When self-evident common sense can find no purchase, there's really no point in continuing to bang your head against the wall. So here we are.
Asshat.
Posted by: Jaws at July 02, 2012 09:29 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2012 09:30 AM (05RcU)
I demand pistols, leather corsets and some slow jazz.... at dusk.
Your terms are agreeable. Now, my minions, fetch me some trolls. I am in need of target practice.
Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 09:30 AM (VtjlW)
Ouch.
And....THIS
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 09:30 AM (sbV1u)
The series could be endless.
Posted by: stare decisis at July 02, 2012 09:31 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Spicy Meatball at July 02, 2012 09:32 AM (mxnUd)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at July 02, 2012 09:32 AM (CP+yl)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2012 09:32 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 09:32 AM (WkuV6)
"I suggest you stick your thumb in you ass and run in a circle. Then you would actually know what you are doing."
Oldsailor, you are my new favorite co-commentor.
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 09:33 AM (F26eZ)
I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Posted by: zombie Ted Kennedy at July 02, 2012 09:34 AM (bAGA/)
I looked it up. Coal gasification is actually the same as wood gasification.
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 09:34 AM (TULs6)
"who have one last chance to kill Obamacare before it kills them by electing Mitt Romney President, electing a GOP majority to the Senate and holding the House in November."- Andy
I really really want to believe that and I will vote for the Republicans, but really does anyone believe this will be repealed? I don't why? Three words Spanish American War thats right we still have a phone tax that was originally sold as a tax to finance that war and it is still in effect today. So be honest with yourself DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE OBAMACARE WILL BE REPEALED?
Posted by: Oldcrow at July 02, 2012 09:34 AM (QpXw0)
" I demand pistols, leather corsets and some slow jazz.... at dusk. "
Where will Tim Curry fall into any of this...?
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 09:34 AM (F26eZ)
When you were a kid, the doctor didn't have to employ staff just for government paperwork.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 09:36 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:37 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 02, 2012 09:37 AM (i0App)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at July 02, 2012 09:37 AM (CP+yl)
I'm tellin' ya, Fugitive Week could be as big for DisneyWorld as Gay Week.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 09:38 AM (/kI1Q)
"The only arguments I hear from you whiners is name-calling."
Heeeeeeennnnnn-REEEEEEEEE!!! Henry Aldrich!
Posted by: Mother at July 02, 2012 09:38 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:38 AM (9TTOe)
Well not paperwork but somebody had to take care of all the chickens and pigs he got as payment
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 09:38 AM (tf9Ne)
Ummmm....
Devil Patrick, our beloved governor;
Mumbles Menino of Boston;
John F'n Kerry;
The late, never-great Teddy Kennedy;
Bawney Fwank;
Elizabeth "How!" Warren;
Joey Kennedy III (yup, one of THEM).
Do I gotta go on? I'd vote for Whitey Bulger if he was running in MA this November. Sadly, too many of MA's greatest non-political criminals -- like, say, Raymond Patriarca -- have shuffled off the mortal coil....
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2012 09:39 AM (MQc8e)
I shall send for them immediately my queen.
Snap to it serfs!!
Posted by: mpfs, I can See Nov 6th From My House at July 02, 2012 09:39 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2012 09:39 AM (05RcU)
578 Romney and the presumptive new GOP majority had better learn to ignore
it. And we had better be prepared to have to do the heavy lifting (
read:screaming loader than the libs) again.>>
SO we need to start a campaign to send them earplugs after the election
Yes.
I see how that reads. I really need to remember PIMF.
Let's just say that we need to make sure that we're heard. They should be praying for earplugs.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 02, 2012 09:40 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:40 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 09:40 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at July 02, 2012 09:40 AM (C8mVl)
Roberts isn't "the GOP". He's a judge. That he was nominated by a Republican doesn't change the fact that he happened to turn out to be a pussy.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 02, 2012 09:40 AM (SY2Kh)
When you were a kid, the doctor didn't have to employ staff just for government paperwork.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 01:36 PM (/kI1Q)
That is my intent. Government interference, insurance, and inflation have drive costs up. I didn't even talk about an ER visit.
I had to go to an ER once as a kid for stitches. Cost about $30 (I think). Had to get some here a few years ago. Cost $600.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 09:40 AM (YdQQY)
When you were a kid, the doctor didn't have to employ staff just for government paperwork.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 01:36 PM (/kI1Q)
Or employ a staff of Lawyers to protect him/her from law suits.
Or fill out endless insurance forms.
Posted by: Mother at July 02, 2012 09:40 AM (MMC8r)
Is that the same as Michael Moore gasification?
Posted by: mpfs, I can See Nov 6th From My House at July 02, 2012 09:41 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 01:34 PM (TULs6)
------------------------------------------
When coal is gasified, or another way of putting it, is heated in the absence of oxygen, not only is there combustive gas produced, but the coal is transformed into coke. And coke is the fuel used to smelt metals. It's a twofer.
Posted by: Soona at July 02, 2012 09:41 AM (Mtcin)
Ace must be polishing up his latest magnum opus. Just can't figure out what movie he'd be reviewing.
Brave?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 02, 2012 09:41 AM (zF6Iw)
Now if Brian Williams announced he was gay, that would be newsworthy. Except not really, because I don't actually care if someone is gay or not. I just want them to do their job and not preach at me and condemn my heterosexual lifestyle.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 02, 2012 09:41 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2012 09:42 AM (/ZZCn)
I had to go to an ER once as a kid for stitches. Cost about $30 (I think). Had to get some here a few years ago. Cost $600.
But you paid for the three deadbeats ahead of you in line.
Thank you, Citizen.
Posted by: Mother at July 02, 2012 09:42 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2012 01:32 PM
Better question: What's up with Massachusetts?
Maybe it's haunted. I always thought that most of King's novels should have been set in Mass than Maine.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at July 02, 2012 09:43 AM (CP+yl)
Can we all now agree that teh gheys are ruining the country?
* * * * *
599 Anderson Cooper announced he's gay?
Can Shepard Smith be far behind?
Posted by: huerfano
THOSE gays certainly are.
Posted by: imp at July 02, 2012 09:43 AM (UaxA0)
I understand the skepticism.
I'm not sure if that Spanish-American War tax was ever the focal point of 2 elections and a SCOTUS descision, though.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 02, 2012 09:43 AM (YmPwQ)
Do you still have the keys to this place?? Pretty sure anytime there's 600 comments and it's almost 2pm, Ace might be okay with you putting up a new thread.
I still miss your do-it-yourself threads.
Posted by: Mama AJ at July 02, 2012 09:43 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:43 AM (9TTOe)
Probably the same people who think Mutt Romney, Bitch McConnell, "Weepy" Boner and the other so-called conservative suckers-at-the-public-teat in D.C. will kill any laws that are set to launder billions of dollars through Congress.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2012 09:43 AM (MQc8e)
Posted by: stare decisis at July 02, 2012 12:52 PM (oZfic
I can imagine how it was before. It would be called the History of the United States before Obamacare passed. Idiot.
Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2012 09:43 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: nickless at July 02, 2012 09:44 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 09:44 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2012 01:39 PM (05RcU)
Clay Aiken fans.
Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2012 09:44 AM (GULKT)
I wish the announcements of gayness would just stop altogether. Who is this helping? It's nothing but attention whoring. Nobody is going to quit bullying others because some famous person came out in solidarity with the bullying victim. It's an absurd notion.
Wanna be gay? Great - be thankful you're in a Western society and go about your business. If it's not supposed to be a big deal, then quit making it a big deal.
Posted by: Reactionary at July 02, 2012 09:44 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at July 02, 2012 09:44 AM (CP+yl)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 09:44 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at July 02, 2012 09:45 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:46 AM (9TTOe)
Anderson Cooper announced he's gay? Can Shepard Smith be far behind?
I see what you did there. . .
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 02, 2012 09:46 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Scobface at July 02, 2012 09:46 AM (IoNBC)
Your argument would carry much more weight if you'd thrown in an "eleventy!!!11!!" or two....
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2012 09:46 AM (MQc8e)
"But you paid for the three deadbeats ahead of you in line.
Thank you, Citizen."
That, and you paid your "fair share" of the ridiculous malpractice premium your Doc pays to fight off the ambulance chasers and their government / Bar Association / insuarnce industry enablers.
Posted by: Jaws at July 02, 2012 09:47 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:47 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 09:47 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: internet toughguy #476 at July 02, 2012 09:48 AM (KXm42)
I'm pretty sure that the fact that he wasn't open about it until now means that he hated gays until now.
At least, that's what I'd tell his fans. With a hurt expression on my face or something.
Posted by: Mama AJ at July 02, 2012 09:48 AM (SUKHu)
O/T (one hopes, unless interior decoraters have gotten a whole lot more sketchy during the recession)
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012 /07/adam_lee_brown_arrested_in_chi.html
Pretty sure that he's ruining the country all by himself.
Posted by: imp at July 02, 2012 09:48 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 02, 2012 09:49 AM (Ho2rs)
We're gonna tax your ass, and then tax you again for putting your pants back on.
Posted by: ObamaTax Revenuer at July 02, 2012 09:49 AM (wAQA5)
Not enough of them were elected to repeal it. Any House bill to repeal would be nothing more than a symbolic gesture.
The Dems couldn't get a single Republican to vote for it- not even the Maine bimbos. Hell, they couldn't even get all Dems to vote for it. You'd have us believe they'll jeopardize their re-election by turning around and voting not to repeal an unpopular bill?
While the GOP has too often gone weak on spending, on taxes they've held the line- they haven't forgotten what happened to HW Bush when he reneged on his "no new taxes" pledge.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 02, 2012 09:49 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Aaron at July 02, 2012 09:50 AM (Tlix5)
Posted by: Avi at July 02, 2012 09:50 AM (AxE3L)
(it's a link to breitbart)
Posted by: stare decisis at July 02, 2012 09:50 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 02, 2012 09:51 AM (Ho2rs)
Has it changed it's hash? I have a cold and can't smell the cat pee....
Posted by: the Romney bus is honkin' for Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:52 AM (MQc8e)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 02, 2012 09:52 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: the Romney bus is honkin' for Dagny at July 02, 2012 09:52 AM (MQc8e)
I can see us getting the majority, I just don't see the visionary leadership from Boehner, McConnell or Romney to not only undo ObamaTax, but to make sure its like can never be attempted again.
Posted by: Iblis at July 02, 2012 09:52 AM (9221z)
If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me.
Posted by: Ringo, George, Paul and John Roberts at July 02, 2012 09:52 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 09:53 AM (KXm42)
Alex's minions are lazy. It's her weak spot.
We don't consider it lazy so much as "taking time to stop and smell the roses."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 02, 2012 09:53 AM (zF6Iw)
Will have fun tonight telling hubby "now I'm ready for a breakdown of society because I've got an app for that!"
Posted by: Mama AJ at July 02, 2012 09:53 AM (SUKHu)
You know how the free riders are? Grandma.
Bitch gets $5M in healthcare the last 2 years but she only GROSSED $2M over the course of her whole damn life.
So there you go.
That's where the real cost is. Blaiming it on foodstamp users is just scapegoating.
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 09:53 AM (TULs6)
Hah....alex's minions are lazy. It's her weak spot.
I rather think the fact that alex is epically lazy is alex's weak spot. Also her tendency to refer to herself in the third person.
Okay, I know I just breezed through the comments, but did I see something about how if I wear a board I'll get sammiches? Mmmmm sammiches.
Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 09:53 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 02, 2012 01:51 PM (Ho2rs)
and when they click the link and it's not pron then you look like the fool you are....
You are not a conservative, nor an independent, nor a republican...you behave and post like a lib...and I know libs, I'm surrounded by them....and your behavior is paid lib troll through and through....
Posted by: stare decisis at July 02, 2012 09:54 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 02, 2012 09:54 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 02, 2012 09:56 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 02, 2012 01:54 PM (Ho2rs)
That's an interesting question from an obamabot like yourself.
Posted by: stare decisis at July 02, 2012 09:56 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Scobface at July 02, 2012 09:57 AM (IoNBC)
Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2012 09:58 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 01:56 PM (YdQQY)
ThatÂ’s good, because 100 years from now, some historian is going to be reviewing this stuff and wonder, how did this lame post generate 670+ comments.
Posted by: jwest at July 02, 2012 09:59 AM (ZDsRL)
Does anyone know of a major federal program that Republicans have repealed?
We are therefore forever saddled with ObamaCare. And because of the way it was written it will be a monster. As Mark Steyn has said the very nature of the relationship of the people to the government has forever changed.
Posted by: harold at July 02, 2012 10:00 AM (JKNLp)
It's not "visionary leadership" that would get the GOP the necessary 2/3 majority in both the House and Senate while also convincing 3/4 of state legislatures to go along with amending the Constitution.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 02, 2012 10:02 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 02, 2012 10:02 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2012 10:04 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: Avi at July 02, 2012 10:10 AM (4yFKY)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 02, 2012 10:12 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Avi at July 02, 2012 10:14 AM (4yFKY)
Posted by: Anachronda at July 02, 2012 10:14 AM (NmR1a)
Posted by: Anachronda at July 02, 2012 10:19 AM (xGZ+b)
Note that in some parts of the country, rainwater belongs to the local water conservancy district.
LOFL.
Posted by: entropy at July 02, 2012 10:20 AM (TULs6)
http://www.ocregister.com/news/pool-361329-ducks-fly.html
Senior condo residents are forbidden to get rid of ducks!
Posted by: PJ at July 02, 2012 10:23 AM (DQHjw)
As far as I can tell from the Fehnstrom quote, as a matter of jurisprudence agreeing with Scalia, instead of Roberts. Saying, in essence, it should have been found unconstitutional. Nothing wrong with that.
Quotes will be spun out of context (especially Fehsntrom quotes, cf. "etch-a-sketch"), and often by people with other interests than us. I'd look to the full quote before getting outraged.
It's true that the tax/ penalty thing is a tricky one for soundbites and political messaging, and I'm not sure the Romney team has a coherent political strategy yet. But explicitly saying you agree with Scalia's opinion instead of Roberts's isn't a bad thing in my book.
Posted by: lael at July 02, 2012 10:30 AM (kfIw+)
Posted by: Scobface at July 02, 2012 01:57 PM (IoNBC)
Perfect sense if your aim is to destroy any charitable actions not run/controlled/rationed by the feral gummint!
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Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 02, 2012 05:35 AM (Ho2rs)