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April 15, 2014

Of Course: Obama's White House Pressured IPCC to Rewrite Report on Costs of Climate Change Mitigation Efforts, Demanding They Take Into Account Alleged "Co-Benefits" of Such Mitigation
— Ace

That the Science is Politicized is actually settled.

U.S. President Barack ObamaÂ’s administration is concerned that a crucial United Nations report on climate science may be too harsh in assessing the cost of fighting global warming.
Such a finding may lower the incentive for the world to reduce fossil fuel pollution and feed the arguments of those skeptical about whether itÂ’s worth spending money to curtail rising temperatures.
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Â“The discussion of the economic costs of mitigation is too narrow and does not incorporate co-benefits of action,Â” U.S. officials wrote in a submission to the UN, according to a document obtained by Bloomberg. They said including only one side of the equation Â“unnecessarily skews the information.Â”
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State Department officials are pressing to factor in improvements to public health and lower energy costs from increased efficiency that would happen if fossil fuels were limited. Those would offset the price to be paid for switching over to cleaner forms of energy such as wind and solar and paring back on lower-cost fuels such as coal.

Of course. We all know that when you convert from a lower-cost, privately-operated fuel industry to a higher-cost, government-subsidized-and-mandated one, you "increase efficiency." Always. It's like a Rule of Economics.

So of course you should figure this Fake Factor into your math and then claim it's "Science."

The last time the Obama Administration lied to the public about the actual costs of a major socialist program it all worked out so swimmingly that the Health and Human Services Secretary got rewarded with a Victory Resignation.

Of course, Obama's chief contribution to American Democracy is changing the numbers so that people are incapable of making informed decisions about the efficacy of government, and are thus unable to hold government accountable.

Via Weasel Zippers and Breitbart.

The Most Transparent Administration In History*

* Based upon our own calculations of transparency, which have been recalibrated to take into effect the increased efficiency that occurs when a government is disburdened from honestly reporting on its performance.

Seriously, it frees government up so much. And that's what you want-- a government free to live its life to the fullest, without consequences, without regret.

Common Core Math:

"What you have to do is subtract the cost of doing nothing from the costs of mitigation then subtract how it makes you feel divided by racism to get the correct figures."

---- The White House

From Dr. Spank.

Posted by: Ace at 11:16 AM | Comments (257)
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1 It's for the children ace. That's the secret sauce in the scientific method.

Posted by: gwelf at April 15, 2014 11:17 AM (+7Usq)

2 There is no science.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 11:18 AM (IXrOn)

3 Those goal posts sure do need a lot of fixin.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 15, 2014 11:18 AM (oDCMR)

4 No mas.....

Posted by: The Chicken at April 15, 2014 11:19 AM (DErq5)

5 I like PJMedia's Frank Fleming's take: There Are No Such Things as Â‘ScientistsÂ’ We should get rid of the word and simply replace it with "some guy."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 11:20 AM (IXrOn)

6 As I said earlier today... Any numbers coming from anywhere near this administration should get the label "i and pi'.... for Imaginary, and Irrational...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 11:20 AM (84gbM)

7 Lysenko Theory prevails!

And the chocolate ration has been increased from 13 grams to 9!!

Posted by: OK, thanks, bye at April 15, 2014 11:20 AM (RPDkq)

8 Of course they did. Every one of these stories, that is what I think now. Of course they did. I bet they even fix Dancing with the Stars.

Posted by: blaster at April 15, 2014 11:20 AM (4+AaH)

You got a problem with 4 dollar a watt energy?

That's rayciss!

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at April 15, 2014 11:20 AM (Z7toi)

10 "What you have to do is subtract the cost of doing nothing from the costs of mitigation then subtract how it makes you feel divided by racism to get the correct figures."

---- The White House

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 11:21 AM (5UteM)

11 The one I love from my lefty pals is "Obama is really a budget hawk". People still spew this.

Posted by: navybrat at April 15, 2014 11:21 AM (JgC5a)

lower energy costs from increased efficiency

Lower energy costs from switching to impractical expensive energy and (presumably) rationing regular energy? Lower energy costs?

Ta fuck?

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 15, 2014 11:22 AM (JtwS4)

13 Warm good, cold bad. Ugh.

Posted by: Caveman at April 15, 2014 11:23 AM (wAQA5)

14 increased efficiency that would happen if fossil fuels were limited.

You can go almost 75% as far on a tank of E-85 as you can on a tank of E-10.

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 11:23 AM (ZKzrr)

15 Anybody seen my razor?

Posted by: Occam at April 15, 2014 11:24 AM (7ObY1)

16 It's a tax.

Posted by: John Roberts at April 15, 2014 11:24 AM (wAQA5)

17 Transparent like Cocytus.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 15, 2014 11:25 AM (uhAkr)

18 "Seriously, it frees government up so much. And that's what you want-- a government free to live its life to the fullest, without consequences, without regret." Government as anarchy. What a concept, er, reality.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2014 11:25 AM (CMkNk)

19 My 3 year old niece once told me that her 13 year old sister is "onety three" years old. Obama = a 3 year old niece.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 15, 2014 11:25 AM (7ObY1)

20 Nothing that these fuckers say is honest.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2014 11:26 AM (8ZskC)

21 The Scientific Method? All the hip Scientists today are just calling it "The Method", adding labels like "Scientific" are too restricting.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 11:26 AM (5UteM)

22 When energy costs we can just wear sweaters indoors during winter. But Obama will get an exemption because remember he grew up in Hawaii and he's used to it being hot. That's government efficiency.

Posted by: gwelf at April 15, 2014 11:26 AM (+7Usq)

23 They live in theory, not in the real world.

Posted by: Adam at April 15, 2014 11:26 AM (Aif/5)

24 and lower energy costs from increased efficiency that would happen if fossil fuels were limited. Yes. We are supposed to be this stupid.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 15, 2014 11:26 AM (XAASU)

25 Bonus IPCC Feature GIVE UP MEAT, COAL, OIL, ECONOMIC GROWTH AND NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY - ORDERS NEW IPCC CLIMATE REPORT breitbart london

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 11:27 AM (IXrOn)

I'm so proud of the government, for finally getting free.

It's like when my aunt finally dumped her abusive husband. Except, you know, my aunt never had nuclear weapons.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2014 11:27 AM (TOk1P)

27 I have this "libertarian" friend in California (actually, he now describes himself as a "market liberal" -- the meaning of which escapes me, I confess) who still insists that Obama is much more transparent than Bush was. Of course, he doesn't really pay attention to anything, so all the news he gets is what he picks up by osmosis through the culture around him, which remains "Yay, Obama!" all the time.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at April 15, 2014 11:27 AM (/AHDz)

28 Solar power comes from sunlight. Sunlight is like, free, right? So what's the big deal?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2014 11:27 AM (8ZskC)

29 I think Ace may be starting to see the situation through the same eyes as us gun dick stroking Teapartiers.

Posted by: maddogg at April 15, 2014 11:27 AM (xWW96)

30 I want my Global Warming and I want it Now it's snowing in East Ky. As I type this . Yep all the beautiful blossoms on the trees have been kaboomed.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at April 15, 2014 11:27 AM (GKF3X)

31 Obama's totally talked Putin out of Crimea. So next he's going to talk them out of producing natural gas. And then the Chinese out of using coal. It can't fail.

Posted by: gwelf at April 15, 2014 11:27 AM (+7Usq)

32 I've been so blue the last couple days the whole world going all splody doesn't even sound so bad, so bring it on Sweet SCOAMF of Doom!!!

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at April 15, 2014 11:28 AM (ZWvOb)

33 THIS is the issue that should have you worried. obamacare and obamagay are just the warmup acts for this 21st century Gestapo force.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 11:28 AM (o3NFc)

34 The chutzpah of these people is amazing. After every incident, they're on the prowl for domestic right-wing terrorists before the bodies are cold. Yet they support--no, they're in love--with a president who paled around with a guy who bombed the Pentagon--and is unrepentant about it.

Posted by: Mike at April 15, 2014 11:28 AM (r/L31)

35 So, uh, does this mean we have to remain in poverty and squalor?

Posted by: Third World at April 15, 2014 11:28 AM (+7Usq)

I like PJMedia's Frank Fleming's take:

There Are No Such Things as Â‘ScientistsÂ’

We should get rid of the word and simply replace it with "some guy."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 03:20 PM (IXrOn)

We should get rid of the word and simply replace it with "some guy" we are paying to provide "science" we like.

FIFF (Fixed it for Frank)

Posted by: rd at April 15, 2014 11:28 AM (D+lxs)

37 23 They live in theory, not in the real world. Posted by: Adam at April 15, 2014 03:26 PM (Aif/5) Untested theory with only one constant. Taxes.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 15, 2014 11:29 AM (XAASU)

38 A Criminal element from Chicago playing dirty tricks? Who woulda thunk?

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 11:29 AM (bb5+k)

39 So, uh, does this mean we have to remain in poverty and squalor?

Here, have some free abortions.

Posted by: Barry Soetero at April 15, 2014 11:29 AM (ZKzrr)

40 35 So, uh, does this mean we have to remain in poverty and squalor?

Posted by: Third World at April 15, 2014 03:28 PM (+7Usq)

Take comfort that it's for the greater good. Now shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 15, 2014 11:29 AM (DrWcr)

41 Hey guys, China's already way ahead of us. They pinkie swore they'd cut the use of natural gas and coal to save the planet. India too. At least that's what my taxi drive told me.

Posted by: Thomas L Friedman at April 15, 2014 11:29 AM (+7Usq)

Posted by: Heralder at April 15, 2014 11:29 AM (/Mxso)

43 I hope Jeff Sessions doesn't have any latent aneurisms.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 11:30 AM (thLL8)

44 The Plank constant is neither constant nor made of wood. Discuss.

Posted by: Scientists at April 15, 2014 11:30 AM (5UteM)

45 Yes Third World you'll remain in poverty and you'll like it.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at April 15, 2014 11:30 AM (GKF3X)

46 8 Of course they did. Every one of these stories, that is what I think now. Of course they did. I bet they even fix Dancing with the Stars. Posted by: blaster at April 15, 2014 03:20 PM (4+AaH) And people think it's crazy to suggest they might have rigged the election in various urban sections of the country. Nah, "The Chicago Way" type people would never have done such a thing.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 11:30 AM (bb5+k)

O/T from the previous post

He peeked into his boat and saw blood and Tsaernev. Then he called the police.

I bet he doesn't receive a huge pension and out after 20.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 03:23 PM (thLL

Last I heard, he had the privilege of paying for his shot-up boat.

Posted by: rd at April 15, 2014 11:30 AM (D+lxs)

48 If you like your climate change, you can keep your climate change.

Posted by: tu3031 at April 15, 2014 11:30 AM (nsQhi)

49 Need to go do my exercise thang. Leaving you with the funnies: Global Warming-Cooling Explained In cold years like these, climate change deniers always ask a trick question, "How come global warming can cause both heating and cooling?" The answer is actually quite simple. We all know that sometimes it's hot as Hell*, and sometimes it's cold as Hell. Clearly, Hell can make it hotter or colder. The science is settled on the fact that global warming will be Hell on Earth, and since Hell can make it hotter or colder, global warming can, therefore, also make it hotter or colder. - http://tinyurl.com/kyfgyu9 And, don't forget to download the latest New Mozilla Add-Ons Drudge Block (gets 5 stars) Thoughtcrime Analzyer (5 stars) "Denounce your Neighbor" auto-fill function (5) One-Click Report-a-Christian (5 stars) The Current Truth status updates (2 stars) hehe, and the Soviet posters of Obama and Michelle are fun, too at the homepage of http://thepeoplescube.com/ cya's

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 11:31 AM (IXrOn)

50 20 Nothing that these fuckers say is honest. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2014 03:26 PM (8ZskC) And thus you have summed up Ace's Next 100 posts regarding the Obama regime.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 11:32 AM (bb5+k)

51 30 I want my Global Warming and I want it Now it's snowing in East Ky. As I type this . Yep all the beautiful blossoms on the trees have been kaboomed. Posted by: Fourth Horseman at April 15, 2014 03:27 PM (GKF3X) I know, right. Freeze warnings for So. Ill. tonight. April. I can see the seas rising from my house.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 15, 2014 11:32 AM (XAASU)

52 Obama's White House Pressured IPCC......

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there's that fucking word again.

PRESSURED.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2014 11:32 AM (nELVU)

53 State Department officials are pressing to factor in improvements to public health and lower energy costs from increased efficiency that would happen if fossil fuels were limited. Those would offset the price to be paid for switching over to cleaner forms of energy such as wind and solar and paring back on lower-cost fuels such as coal.
***

I swear to God, Lewis Carroll's "Jabberwocky" reads like a physics textbook compared to those sentences above.

Posted by: B at April 15, 2014 11:32 AM (5OEha)

54 Climate changes not only forward, but also backwards and sideways.

Posted by: Barry Oretard at April 15, 2014 11:33 AM (xjjBZ)

55 And thus you have summed up Ace's Next 100 posts regarding the Obama regime. Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 03:32 PM (bb5+k) I guess that'll change when they decide to tell the truth..... ....and burst into flames.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 15, 2014 11:34 AM (XAASU)

56 Obama is just trying to make this a better country: why do you H8 him for that?

Posted by: surrounded by Raycissssss at April 15, 2014 11:34 AM (q+fqH)

We all know that sometimes it's hot as Hell*, and sometimes it's cold as Hell.

Damn. This made me want to link the "is Hell endothermic or exothermic" thingie and Snopes says it's bogus.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 15, 2014 11:34 AM (JtwS4)

58 >>So, uh, does this mean we have to remain in poverty and squalor? Posted by: Third World damn toot'n

Posted by: Aviator at April 15, 2014 11:34 AM (jSUU1)

59 This is the same State department that lost $6 Billion?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 11:34 AM (IdOTf)

60 Just when the first blooms were a-blooming, it snows. The tiny wintercress sprouts might not survive the night. I was hoping for my first foraged greens of the year.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 15, 2014 11:34 AM (7ObY1)

61 Last I heard, he had the privilege of paying for his shot-up boat. He should count his blessings he wasn't shot multiple times. Cigarette lighters look like weapons.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 11:34 AM (thLL8)

62 Let us work with this administration on immigration!

Posted by: John Boehner at April 15, 2014 11:34 AM (uhAkr)

63 Eco-luddites and socialists mesh together so well because both want to take humanity backwards towards subsistence living and out of this unparalleled period of wealth, comfort, and freedom. It is afterall so unordered. Just any old person could be healthy, prosperous, and free. They don't even have to think and say The Right Things. We all need to get in line with what our betters know is actually a better way. Their way.

Posted by: shillelagh at April 15, 2014 11:35 AM (hRzu2)

64 Old benchmark: Number of Americans working as share of GDP New Benchmark: Number of Americans in line for food and housing as share of protected endangered species list.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 15, 2014 11:35 AM (DMl5J)

65 I saw a car this morning with two bumper stickers side-by-side: "EVERYTHING YOU THINK IS WRONG" and "OBAMA 2012". I briefly thought it was a really clever joke except they also had "FOR MARRIAGE EQUALITY" so they likely aren't actually clever.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2014 11:35 AM (B/VB5)

66 In tonight's news, Science has determined scientifically that global warming "deniers" are completely deluded and wrong. Using Science.

Because global warming is a scientific theory, and scientific theories are based on Science. It would be journalistically unprofessional for us to report on things that aren't based on the very latest and best, most sciency Science ever.

Next up, after the break, more Science based news. We'll consult a psychic about whether Flight 370 could have accidentally flown out of the atmosphere and have been sucked into a black hole.

Posted by: The Media at April 15, 2014 11:35 AM (noWW6)

I swear to God, Lewis Carroll's "Jabberwocky" reads like a physics textbook compared to those sentences above.

Ahem.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 15, 2014 11:35 AM (JtwS4)

68 #65 "EVERYTHING YOU THINK IS WRONG" Clinical narcissism.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 15, 2014 11:36 AM (7ObY1)

69 No, you fools! Don't burn us, burn the homophobes! The homophobes!

Posted by: Silicon Valley at April 15, 2014 11:36 AM (uhAkr)

70 Come with me on a journey of the imagination, limited only by our ability to shout down those who disagree with us.

Posted by: Neil deGrasse Tyson at April 15, 2014 11:36 AM (5UteM)

71 When there is no energy produced it won't cost you a cent. Problem solved! Thanks Obama.

Posted by: Neal Marx, American Newsman at April 15, 2014 11:36 AM (6ahup)

72 We can't even get accurate economic figures from this administration concerning actual inflation. And they expect us to believe anything else they say?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 11:37 AM (0HooB)

73 if the cost of doing nothing is $0, and you subtract that from the billions and billions, if not trillions of dollars all this "mitigation" is going to cost, i'm not sure where that helps their argument much...

Posted by: math major at April 15, 2014 11:37 AM (q+fqH)

74 We also say that it will cost 10% of the world economy to fix the problem but it will only cost 2% of the world economy if we do nothing.

Posted by: common core math at April 15, 2014 11:38 AM (PYHlF)

75 71 When there is no energy produced it won't cost you a cent. Problem solved! Thanks Obama. I will need fifteen coal plants for my pool house.

Posted by: Al Gore at April 15, 2014 11:38 AM (uhAkr)

76 Oddly the greenies simultaneously are fighting against the tech they push onto us. Wind, solar and electric cars are highly dependent on heavy metals and rare earths. Which they fight tooth and nail against the mining of. And it's a bitch to run a mining operation using wind or solar too.

Posted by: The Hickster at April 15, 2014 11:38 AM (TI3xG)

77 I'm assuming that this must be counted as a planet saved since only Tea Bagging Cousin-Sister humpers believe in planets created.

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 11:38 AM (Xed9r)

78 Free the government from the shackles of the people!

Posted by: The Government at April 15, 2014 11:39 AM (BrQrN)

79 73 if the cost of doing nothing is $0......

The cost of doing nothing is never 0.

--- Science

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 11:39 AM (5UteM)

80
Ahem.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch

I see you're a fan. Percy, send this man na 8 x 10.

Posted by: Bandersnatch Cumberbund [/i][/b] at April 15, 2014 11:39 AM (8MBOc)

81 98ZJUSMC, Yep, forecasted for 22degrees here tonight. I am so tired of winter and the high heating bills and I refuse to wear a coat in my own home. I guess we better pack heavy for the camps.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at April 15, 2014 11:39 AM (GKF3X)

82 The science is settled!

Global warming cannot be denied!

Gender is determined by the feelings of the individual and not by science.

Posted by: huerfano at April 15, 2014 11:39 AM (bAGA/)

83 if the cost of doing nothing is $0, and you subtract that from the billions and billions, if not trillions of dollars all this "mitigation" is going to cost, i'm not sure where that helps their argument much...

That's stupid, you can't subtract from zero!

Posted by: Typical Obama Voter at April 15, 2014 11:40 AM (ZKzrr)

84 Posted by: math major at April 15, 2014 03:37 PM (q+fqH) Because the cost of doing nothing is a Fine.... or as Judge Roberts called it... a Tax...

Posted by: Obamacare Math! at April 15, 2014 11:40 AM (84gbM)

85 What are "co-benefits"?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 11:40 AM (IdOTf)

Wind, solar and electric cars are highly dependent on heavy metals and rare earths. Which they fight tooth and nail against the mining of.

Meh. The greenies have no sway in the place where all the rare earths live.

Posted by: China at April 15, 2014 11:40 AM (JtwS4)

87 There is no such thing as "science" anymore. Obama and his liberal ilk have killed that both as a discipline and vocation.

It is no longer about nature, easily concluded truths, facts or likely extrapolations based on reliable and broadly agreed data points. IT is about manipulation and ideological subterfuge. I don't believe anything the entire science world concludes anymore. They've destroyed any semblance of credibility either through action or inaction.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2014 11:40 AM (GGCsk)

Isn't the UN a group that would like to get everyone on the "Fight Global Warming!!!" bandwagon anyway? Pressuring a UN group to "adjust" the report to make fighting global warming look better sounds kind of like pressuring Lenin to try and make Communism look better.

Posted by: junior at April 15, 2014 11:40 AM (UWFpX)

89 Does this take into account the environments created or saved?

Posted by: SGT. York at April 15, 2014 11:41 AM (mFKnk)

90 Free the government from the shackles of the people!

Now there's a bumper sticker.

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 11:41 AM (ZKzrr)

91 What are "co-benefits"? Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 03:40 PM (IdOTf) What the cob-loggers get?

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 11:41 AM (Xed9r)

92

Lookit, I just want you to know that quite frankly, there is no one more conservative than John Boner, not a person on the hill can, uh, lay claim to that title.

So you say government is big and out of control, well, we agree with you.

But where are the jobs? J O B S, jobs? Where are they?

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 15, 2014 11:41 AM (xggaJ)

93 Face it people, they only get away with this shit because the media is made up of nothing but Democrat activists intent on foisting their own opinions on the rest of us. The public doesn't know what a pack of lying con-bastards this group is, because the media people deliberately refrain from reporting any of their lies. And it's not just ideology here. If they reported the idiocy and criminality of this stupid fuck, it would mean admitting that THEY were wrong when they promoted him, and that is simply something they cannot do.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 11:42 AM (bb5+k)

94 I've been so blue the last couple days the whole world going all splody doesn't even sound so bad, so bring it on Sweet SCOAMF of Doom!!!

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at April 15, 2014 03:28 PM (ZWvOb)

-------------------------------------------

It gets closer every day. Someone upthread emphasized the "pressure". Yeah. That about sums it up. Unlimited pressure will eventually breach every container.

Posted by: Soona at April 15, 2014 11:42 AM (/nOVW)

95 What are "co-benefits"?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 03:40 PM (IdOTf)

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What "cobloggers" enjoy.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2014 11:42 AM (nELVU)

96 In the future all my comments will be by Science, the "will all do respect" of commenting.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 11:42 AM (5UteM)

97 All for their god-king. They should be so proud.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2014 11:42 AM (GGCsk)

98 "Obama's White House Pressured IPCC to Rewrite Report on Costs of Climate Change Mitigation Efforts, Demanding They Take Into Account Alleged 'Co-Benefits' of Such Mitigation"

Oh, that thing in your mouth?

It's a "co-benefit". You should be happy to have it.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 11:43 AM (noWW6)

99 Release me!

Posted by: Cob-enefits at April 15, 2014 11:43 AM (BrQrN)

100

I think I will mitigate the effects of my frequent flatus by applying a clothespin to my nose. Do you suppose I could get a job in this administration?

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 15, 2014 11:43 AM (lHb9q)

101 If only these folks didn't have so many guns or cars.

Posted by: Hussein the Magnificent at April 15, 2014 11:44 AM (wAQA5)

102 I need your assistance so I can get the patents on my Perpetual Motion Machine....

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Snow! AHHHHHHHH! at April 15, 2014 11:44 AM (hLRSq)

103 "Co-benefits are benefits too complex to question "

---- Science

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 11:44 AM (5UteM)

104 "A three hour tour. A three hour tour."

Posted by: Daybrother knows this will not end well at April 15, 2014 11:44 AM (DMl5J)

105 I like cob-bler too.

Posted by: Joey Biden at April 15, 2014 11:44 AM (bX7ov)

106

Unfortunately for the White House, climate change deniers have sole control over the airwaves.

Posted by: Mark Murray of NBC News at April 15, 2014 11:45 AM (Pt5Ms)

107 81 98ZJUSMC, Yep, forecasted for 22degrees here tonight. I am so tired of winter and the high heating bills and I refuse to wear a coat in my own home. I guess we better pack heavy for the camps. Posted by: Fourth Horseman at April 15, 2014 03:39 PM (GKF3X) No need. They have reusable, insulated jumpsuits all ready for our arrival at Auschwitz, New Mexico. All in gray.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 15, 2014 11:45 AM (XAASU)

108 What are "co-benefits"? They're a magical accounting factor that you introduce into any expensive process to make that process profitable. Enron used lots of them. Also known by the name "unicorn farts."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2014 11:46 AM (8ZskC)

109 If there's one thing that the world before fossil fuels was known for, it was the incredible efficiency and improved public health of everyone.

Wind power. Brought to you by the Twelfth Fucking Century.

Posted by: B at April 15, 2014 11:46 AM (5OEha)

110 "And they expect us to believe anything else they say?"

why not? it's w*rked so far...

Posted by: resident cynic at April 15, 2014 11:47 AM (q+fqH)

111 WOOO-HOOOO Bitchez!!!11!!!!! Hey.....Hey Doooood, you gotta try this Fascism Bong! It's crazy, dood. Laws mean nuthin'!!!! WOOOOOOOO!!!!! Death Camps for everyone!!!!

Posted by: Government Without Consequences at April 15, 2014 11:47 AM (0cMkb)

112 98 All for their god-king. They should be so proud. Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2014 03:42 PM (GGCsk) Heh. You should see this. Not sure if it's fake or not. http://bonedjello.com/blogger14/obamaco-pilot.jpg

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 11:47 AM (bb5+k)

113 I need your assistance so I can get the patents on my Perpetual Motion Machine....

Protip: Don't give it a pull starter.
http://www.funnieststuff.net/viewmovie.php?id=892

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 11:48 AM (ZKzrr)

114

I saw a car this morning with two bumper stickers side-by-side: "EVERYTHING YOU THINK IS WRONG" and "OBAMA 2012". I briefly thought it was a really clever joke except they also had "FOR MARRIAGE EQUALITY" so they likely aren't actually clever.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2014 03:35 PM (B/VB5)

A vandal with a sharpie could have some fun. It would be wrong, It would be illegal, but it would be fun.

Posted by: rd at April 15, 2014 11:48 AM (D+lxs)

115 Golly, it's almost like the idiots in this administration have no fundamental grasp of physics.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 11:48 AM (0HooB)

116 Lower energy costs from switching to impractical expensive energy and (presumably) rationing regular energy? Lower energy costs?

Ta fuck?

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 15, 2014 03:22 PM (JtwS4)

Yes, of course. Also bear in mind if in some alternate fucking reality this were even possible, energy costs would stay the same or go up. Who here thinks that when energy becomes cheaper, energy copmpanies want to take a multi billion dollar hit?

Posted by: Heralder at April 15, 2014 11:49 AM (/Mxso)

117 So no food and no energy is the goal. North Korea must be an environmental paradise.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at April 15, 2014 11:49 AM (6ahup)

118 "And it's a bitch to run a mining operation using wind or solar too."

I keep asking liberals to show me a solar powered solar panel plant.

Cue panicky darting eyes and defensive handwaving.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 11:49 AM (noWW6)

119 Meh. The greenies have no sway in the place where all the rare earths live.
Posted by: China at April 15>>

And the cloud of pollution that surrounds Beijing never travels. Yet they force us to buy mercury filled CFLs from you, odd little bit of cognitive dissonance there.

Posted by: The Hickster at April 15, 2014 11:49 AM (TI3xG)

120 Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon. Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

Posted by: Swami Fritz at April 15, 2014 11:49 AM (UzPAd)

121 "Perpetual Motion Machines are a myth; they are supported by neither Science nor left-wing politics"

---- Science

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 11:50 AM (5UteM)

122 Ugh. Storming. Dog is doing her Blair Witch, facing the corner.

Posted by: NCKate at April 15, 2014 11:50 AM (BD6t/)

123 Science is when we vote and you do what we say! Got it, motherfuckers! Science!

Posted by: Sciencetician! at April 15, 2014 11:50 AM (ZPrif)

124

A free government without regret told me I was pretty, promised me things. And when it asked me to get on all fours for a romp, sure, I was in love with that silver-tongued bastard.

But a government without regret will just do you and move on. The regret stays behind.

Posted by: sad girl a closing time at April 15, 2014 11:50 AM (JtwS4)

125 And it's not just ideology here. If they reported the idiocy and criminality of this stupid fuck, it would mean admitting that THEY were wrong when they promoted him, and that is simply something they cannot do. Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 03:42 PM (bb5+k) For them, it's worse. They would have to admit (yeah right) that their entire worldview is faulty and based on nothing, but emotion implanted by a Marxist academia.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 15, 2014 11:50 AM (XAASU)

126 Do what we say or we will put our Science in you! Got it?

Posted by: Sciencetician! at April 15, 2014 11:51 AM (ZPrif)

127 From the latest edition of Websters.

Scienc-y: (sigh-en-SEE) n., "Having to do with making up facts to match your pet theory, which is in turn based on a WAG (Wild Assed Guess)." See, BULLSHIT.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 15, 2014 11:51 AM (TM1p8)

128 >They're a magical accounting factor that you introduce into any expensive process to make that process profitable. Enron used lots of them. That's what it sounds like. If you have to make up words - because, what? just calling them "benefits" doesn't sound as high-falutin' enough? - you're probably attempting to hide the truth.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 11:51 AM (IdOTf)

129 119 So no food and no energy is the goal. North Korea must be an environmental paradise. Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at April 15, 2014 03:49 PM (6ahup) By George, I think he's got it!

Posted by: The Left at April 15, 2014 11:52 AM (XAASU)

130 Since the LA Times has an editorial policy of never reporting anti-AGW stories or even skeptical viewpoints how do they cover this?

Posted by: Daybrother at April 15, 2014 11:52 AM (DMl5J)

131 obama math: 1) Come up with a conclusion and then fiddle with the numbers to make them fit 2) Free shit doesn't cost anybody nothing.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2014 11:52 AM (nzKvP)

132 What we need now is Putin and China to release more East Anglia emails.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 11:52 AM (thLL8)

133 "Perpetual Motion Machines are a myth; they are supported by neither Science nor left-wing politics"

---- Science

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 03:50 PM (5UteM)

$250,000 in campaign contributions, a thesaurus, a well-crafted prospectus and I bet I could catch me some pretty sweet subsidies....

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Snow! AHHHHHHHH! at April 15, 2014 11:53 AM (hLRSq)

134 Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon. Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself. Posted by: Swami Fritz at April 15, 2014 03:49 PM (UzPAd) Doesn't that bake your noodle?

Posted by: The Oracle [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 15, 2014 11:53 AM (yz6yg)

135 CBO estimates are Science! Look, dipshits, we peer-reviewed it, ok? Peer review means it's Science!! I'd let you review it, but you aren't exactly our peers, ya mouth-breathing wingnuts! Science!!

Posted by: Sciencetician! at April 15, 2014 11:53 AM (ZPrif)

136 >I keep asking liberals to show me a solar powered solar panel plant. Ha! Like this Ramirez cartoon: http://tinyurl.com/lv24r9u

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 11:54 AM (IdOTf)

137 Serious You Guys - the Obama administrations economic theory on this one is really really sound. You might even say the economics are settled.

Posted by: Amalgamated Union of Economists at April 15, 2014 11:54 AM (+7Usq)

138 Science says go get your fuckin' shinebox.

Posted by: Sciencetician! at April 15, 2014 11:54 AM (ZPrif)

139 $250,000 in campaign contributions, a thesaurus, a well-crafted prospectus and I bet I could catch me some pretty sweet subsidies.... And we have a state-of-the-art production facility that you can move right into.

Posted by: Solyndra at April 15, 2014 11:54 AM (8ZskC)

140 Science says go get your fuckin' shinebox.

Posted by: Sciencetician! at April 15, 2014 03:54 PM (ZPrif)

LOL!!!!

Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 11:55 AM (GQ8sn)

141

Lower energy costs from switching to impractical expensive energy and (presumably) rationing regular energy? Lower energy costs?

Ta fuck?Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 15, 2014 03:22 PM (JtwS4

--------------------------------------------

Don't worry. We won't have to be slaves to paying for our energy. The government will be taking most of our money in taxes and as good-hearted as they always are, will pay for all the energy they think you need.

Posted by: Soona at April 15, 2014 11:55 AM (/nOVW)

142 It's consensus. Don't you wingnuts know from consensus?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2014 11:55 AM (8ZskC)

143 We got a new Scientific Theory. The new Scientific Theory is this: 1) Know your role 2) Shut your mouth Science, bitches!

Posted by: Sciencetician! at April 15, 2014 11:55 AM (ZPrif)

144 >>Lower energy costs? Sure, when you move everyone into micro-housing. Doesn't cost as much to heat 900sf, serf! Same goes for public transportation.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 11:57 AM (IdOTf)

145 Heeeere comes the suuuun king

Posted by: Citizen X at April 15, 2014 11:57 AM (7ObY1)

146 The idea that reducing the production of energy will make the price come down is insane.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at April 15, 2014 11:57 AM (6ahup)

147 obama 1943 would have them write about the co-benefits of exterminating Jews

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 11:58 AM (o3NFc)

148 In order to get through these trying times, all we need to do is remember one thing: 2+2=5.

Posted by: Soona at April 15, 2014 11:58 AM (/nOVW)

149 If benefits are 10, then co-benefits are like 11.

Posted by: Nigel Tufnel at April 15, 2014 11:58 AM (8ZskC)

150 If one views the economy as a car. By their theory it will go further on less gasoline. Fing Brilliant!

Posted by: The Hickster at April 15, 2014 11:58 AM (TI3xG)

151 "We can't even get accurate economic figures from this administration concerning actual inflation."

Or economic growth. As everyone should keep in mind, they deliberately moved the goalposts in the middle of the game. The way GDP was calculated was reworked in 2013, in such a way as to artificially add about two percent and change to the figure.

Q4 2013 GDP growth was a whopping 2.6%. That's _after_ revision.

So basically what they're doing is carefully concealing stagflation. They learned from Carter.

As always, John Williams' ShadowStats web site is key for people who want the real numbers on growth, inflation and unemployment, without being fiddled and diddled by grabberment bureaucrats.

Caution: those real numbers are pretty horrifying and depressing.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 11:58 AM (noWW6)

152 Better Skin And Increased Protein Intake: The Scientific Consensus As To The Co-Benefits To Your Mouth And That Thing That Henceforth Shall Be Done Therein.

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 11:58 AM (Xed9r)

153 Doesn't cost as much to heat 900sf, serf!

That's about three times as much space as I expect they'll allow to singles.

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 11:58 AM (ZKzrr)

154 So how come solar energy is abundant enough to power our sex toys, but it's not possibly a factor in global temperature fluctuation?

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 15, 2014 11:59 AM (JtwS4)

155 #154 John Williams' ShadowStats web site Very interesting, torquewrench I think I'm going to be busy reading for a while now...

Posted by: Citizen X at April 15, 2014 11:59 AM (7ObY1)

156 Ladies and gentleman.....no words....

EPA: Global warming helped shrink greenhouse gas emissions

http://tinyurl.com/mvomeet

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 11:59 AM (5UteM)

157 If one views the economy as a car. By their theory it will go further on less gasoline. It's true, if you factor in the co-benefits.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2014 12:00 PM (8ZskC)

158 Some asshole is pimping a book on the Duke Lacrosse case saying that we'll never know what really happened because Mike Nifong wasn't allowed to bring the case to trial. Unfuckinbelievable.

Posted by: jwest at April 15, 2014 12:00 PM (u2a4R)

159 >>So how come solar energy is abundant enough to power our sex toys, but it's not possibly a factor in global temperature fluctuation? Heresy!!! I bet you leave the lights on when you leave the room just to punish Gaia!

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 12:00 PM (IdOTf)

160 I hear those ovens they plan to use on us put out a gigantic carbon footprint. Square that circle econutters.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 12:01 PM (thLL8)

161 Yet they force us to buy mercury filled CFLs from you, odd little bit of cognitive dissonance there. I introduced the bill! Remember everyone: vote GOP. We at least will lie to you!

Posted by: Rep Fred Upton (R) at April 15, 2014 12:01 PM (uhAkr)

162 35 So, uh, does this mean we have to remain in poverty and squalor? Posted by: Third World at April 15, 2014 03:28 PM (+7Usq) No, not at all. We have a final solution for that.

Posted by: Club of Rome at April 15, 2014 12:01 PM (hbAdE)

163 146 It's easy to believe in the tremendous power of solar energy when your sole experience is frying ants with a magnifying glass on a hot summer day. Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 15, 2014 03:57 PM (oGrEy) ....and multiply that by eLeBiNTy!!!1111!!! See wingnutz?

Posted by: Question Mark and the Sciencians at April 15, 2014 12:01 PM (XAASU)

164 That's about three times as much space as I expect they'll allow to singles.

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 03:58 PM (ZKzrr)

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Correctomondo, amigo.

Posted by: Soona at April 15, 2014 12:02 PM (/nOVW)

165 >>http://bonedjello.com/blogger14/obamaco-pilot.jpg

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 03:47 PM (bb5+k)<<

How appropriate. Except I bet he was driving.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2014 12:02 PM (GGCsk)

166 It's true, if you factor in the co-benefits. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2014 04:00 PM (8ZskC) ~ Like only drive down hill. Problem Solved!

Posted by: Mr. Science-y at April 15, 2014 12:02 PM (6ahup)

167

Co-benefits. Yeah, that's what Government Without Regrets told me. He kept coming back, saying we're friends with co-benefits. I kept doing that thing with my mouth that he likes.

Damn Government Without Regrets has been doing it to half the girls in town.

Posted by: sad girl at closing time at April 15, 2014 12:03 PM (JtwS4)

168 It's true, if you factor in the co-benefits.>>

So no job to travel to is a Co-benefit?

Posted by: The Hickster at April 15, 2014 12:03 PM (TI3xG)

169 161 Some asshole is pimping a book on the Duke Lacrosse case saying that we'll never know what really happened because Mike Nifong wasn't allowed to bring the case to trial. Unfuckinbelievable. Posted by: jwest at April 15, 2014 04:00 PM (u2a4R) Not sCiEnCe!!!11!!!

Posted by: Question Mark and the Sciencians at April 15, 2014 12:04 PM (XAASU)

170 So no job to travel to is a Co-benefit? ------- Just look at the freedom you have. You can be an artist or a musician.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 15, 2014 12:04 PM (Aif/5)

171 Co-benefits is now marriage. Anybody who says otherwise is a vile bigot.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 15, 2014 12:04 PM (uhAkr)

172 Sure. And to liberals sex doesn't lead to unwanted pregnancies because- abortion!

See how I fixed that?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2014 12:04 PM (GGCsk)

173 Giorgio A. Tsoukalos deals with more facts and reality than this administration.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 15, 2014 12:05 PM (jKZKA)

174 >>I hear those ovens they plan to use on us put out a gigantic carbon footprint. Well, if you though aborted babies generated a lot of heat you'll love the Liverpool Care Pathway 2.0: Nanna's Warm Glow.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 12:06 PM (IdOTf)

175 The Obama administration is the most self-actualized government evah.

Posted by: Joseph Stalin at April 15, 2014 12:06 PM (1Boes)

176

Whatever I deem sufficient for the Folks, you should be thanking me.

Posted by: Hussein the Magnificent at April 15, 2014 12:07 PM (wAQA5)

177

Leftists like to point out how, in the past, Religion was an impediment to Science.

Now...the Left has become an even bigger impediment to Science than Religion ever was.

The Left also used to rail against anything that remotely resembled a curtailment of Freedom of Speech.

Now...the Left actively seeks to quash Freedom of Speech, in anyone who disagrees with them.

The Left truly has become that which they used to rail against.

Posted by: wheatie at April 15, 2014 12:07 PM (FWbLS)

178 Teacher: "What is 5+8?" Student: "Uh -- 17." Teacher: "No -- don't you mean 13?" Student: "You forgot to add in the co-benefits. I'm afraid I'm going to have to report you to the Directorate of Incorrect Math Thinking." Teacher: "Oh, course, you're right -- the co-benefits! What was I thinking? What did you say -- 17? Yes, the answer is 17. PleaseIbegyou don't report me..

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 12:07 PM (mizYg)

179 Sure. And to liberals sex doesn't lead to unwanted pregnancies because- abortion!

See how I fixed that?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2014 04:04 PM (GGCsk)

----------------------------------------------

And don't forget the co-benefits of abortion. It provides energy to heat our huts.

Posted by: Soona at April 15, 2014 12:08 PM (/nOVW)

180 I had an IPCC in the first draft of Animal Farm but I cut it out because I thought no one would ever believe such a thing could actually exist.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 15, 2014 12:08 PM (1Boes)

181 Energy justice can be achieved. We simply need Obama to work around the obstructionist House of Representatives and repeal the Laws of Thermodynamics through Executive Order. It's Science!

Posted by: Mr. Science-y at April 15, 2014 12:08 PM (6ahup)

182 Speaking of homegrown terrorism, April 15 is the anniversary of the victory of Gustavus Adolphus at the Battle of Rain.

*dices celery for the jello*

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 12:09 PM (ZKzrr)

183 Like only drive down hill. Problem Solved!

Posted by: Mr. Science-y at April 15, 2014 04:02 PM (6ahup)

...

Just make sure your tires are properly inflated.

Posted by: Hussein the Magnificent at April 15, 2014 12:09 PM (wAQA5)

184 So what you're saying is that if people vote Republican they'll dump toxic waste into rivers and slaughter sea lion pups in Arcticanica, right?

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 15, 2014 12:09 PM (pmsMR)

185 Where do the greenies think all that energy that is trapped by solar panels and wind mills goes? If my science teacher was not lying to me it becomes heat when used. OMG Solar Energy is causing global warming!!11!!

Posted by: The Hickster at April 15, 2014 12:14 PM (TI3xG)

186 The White House actually banned the press from covering the JEF's moment of silence for the Boston Marathon victims. Yes. They banned coverage of a moment of silence. Maybe they were worried he'd read off the TelePrompter: "Stand still, bow head, pretend to look sad, don't say anything."

Posted by: Citizen X at April 15, 2014 12:15 PM (7ObY1)

187 180 Leftists like to point out how, in the past, Religion was an impediment to Science.
***

And that's bullshit as well. Ask them sometimes how religion was such an impediment to science historically given that churches were the sole source of widespread literacy in most regions for centuries. It's not like Dennis the Peasant was busy of an evening reading Aristotle and Ptolemy in his little hovel by the light of the fireplace.

Posted by: B at April 15, 2014 12:17 PM (5OEha)

188 This pressure towards expensive solar/wind/unicorn-fart energy pretty much damns the third world to poverty because without cheap, efficient energy, they can't ever make the transition that the first world made about a hundred years ago. I can't help but think that jives with zombie's essay about how the left is animated by racism. I mean, the left can't trust these primitive peoples with industrialization. They can barely keep their shit together as it is. What will they do to themselves and the rest of the world if they have industry and it's resulting wealth?

Posted by: shillelagh at April 15, 2014 12:18 PM (hRzu2)

189 Hey, anybody want to buy my new ranch? I got it from the BLM as tribute to my good old Dad, who might be a pederast, its true, but probably isn't. If you buy my ranch you have to put a solar farm on it, so figure that into your cost estimate. Oh who am I kidding! The Feds will pay for the solar farm.

Posted by: Rory Reid at April 15, 2014 12:19 PM (F58x4)

190 Nuremberg Judges: "You stand accused of killing 6 million innocent people!" Hermann GÃ¶ring: "But what about the co-benefits? More elbow room, less vermin -- the whole magilla."

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 12:19 PM (mizYg)

191 So. The Obama administration is basically saying "please excuse opportunity costs." I've been saying this at the micro-level for years. Sometimes the opportunity costs are just to high. Take a 95% efficient furnace. Yeah, that's probably nice. And would probably reduce my gas bill by quite a bit. But I can't afford it. Period. And if my furnace goes out, I'll have to weigh the upfront costs vs. the long term benefits (and given my current cash situation probably go with the cheaper option.) No amount of government mandating can change this fact, all it can do is make me financially less secure (by forcing me to take the more expensive option.) So yes, Obama, let's blow this up the Macro level and just pretend this shit has no opportunity cost.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 15, 2014 12:21 PM (HDwDg)

192 I keep getting Error messages...anyone else having trouble with the site today?

Posted by: wheatie at April 15, 2014 12:22 PM (FWbLS)

193 194 Comments bounced me out for a few minutes too.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 15, 2014 12:23 PM (ojnk6)

194 I think I Godwined the thread.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 12:24 PM (mizYg)

195 Wheatie, yes, I thought I was the only one.

Posted by: Ronster at April 15, 2014 12:24 PM (puNd6)

196 They can barely keep their shit together as it is. What will they do to themselves and the rest of the world if they have industry and it's resulting wealth? Posted by: shillelagh at April 15, 2014 04:18 PM (hRzu2) Pointing out the Left's racism is racist.

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 12:24 PM (Xed9r)

197 >>lower energy costs from increased efficiency

Lower energy costs from switching to impractical expensive energy and (presumably) rationing regular energy? Lower energy costs?

Ta fuck?

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 15, 2014 03:22 PM (JtwS4<<

When you have no energy your costs are lower, free in fact.

Posted by: Javems at April 15, 2014 12:25 PM (nTgAI)

198 We have moved backwards in time when yelling "Blasphemer!" was the equivalent of an argument.

Maybe liberals are simply overly nostalgic?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2014 12:26 PM (GGCsk)

199 Leftists like to point out how, in the past, Religionwas animpediment to Science. Now...the Left has become an even bigger impediment to Science than Religion ever was. The Left also used to rail against anything that remotely resembled a curtailment of Freedom of Speech. Now...the Left actively seeks to quash Freedom of Speech,in anyone who disagrees with them. The Left truly has become that which they used to rail against. Some enterprising individual could have, as a theme on his blog, this principle.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 12:26 PM (0HooB)

200 193 So. The Obama administration is basically saying "please excuse opportunity costs." I've been saying this at the micro-level for years. Sometimes the opportunity costs are just to high. ... So yes, Obama, let's blow this up the Macro level and just pretend this shit has no opportunity cost. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) Your cis-economics are patriarching my hegemony!

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 12:26 PM (mizYg)

201 Yeah I couldn't comment either.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at April 15, 2014 12:26 PM (GKF3X)

202 This is creeping me the fuck out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade

That'll teach me to play WikiRoulette sober.

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 12:27 PM (ZKzrr)

203 Maybe DOS attack? Or Pixie hasn't fed the hamsters today

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at April 15, 2014 12:28 PM (GKF3X)

204 I keep getting Error messages...anyone else having trouble with the site today? We just had our first real thunderstorm of the summer, which knocked out my Intarwebz for a bit. But yeah, it appears Pixy's hamsters are struggling to keep up today.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 12:28 PM (0HooB)

205 Chocolate rations have been increased from eighty grams to fifty!

Thanks Obama!

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 15, 2014 12:29 PM (AWmfW)

206 Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 04:26 PM (mizYg) ~ No Justice, No Science!

Posted by: Mr. Science-y at April 15, 2014 12:29 PM (6ahup)

207 Sorry about the server issues, folks. We were having trouble logging IP addresses. All fixed now.

Posted by: NSA Service Dept at April 15, 2014 12:29 PM (1Boes)

208 HR, Very yucky.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at April 15, 2014 12:29 PM (GKF3X)

209 The White House actually banned the press from covering the JEF's moment of silence for the Boston Marathon victims.

Is the picture of Himself up on the White House Twitter feed yet?

Posted by: tu3031 at April 15, 2014 12:30 PM (nsQhi)

210

How long before Barky issues one of his EO's proclaiming that "All doctors must take Medicare patients"...

They keep pushing people onto Medicare.

And there are fewer and fewer doctors who take Medicare patients.

So again...Math will bite them in the ass.

Posted by: wheatie at April 15, 2014 12:31 PM (FWbLS)

211 NSA, Get fat Trudy off her keister and make her do her job.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at April 15, 2014 12:31 PM (GKF3X)

212 >>The White House actually banned the press from covering the JEF's moment of silence for the Boston Marathon victims. Probably just f'ing with the press. He withholds access because He Can.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 12:32 PM (IdOTf)

213 That Bush and his fake, plastic turkey...

Landrieu Reenacts Committee Hearing for Campaign Ad

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 15, 2014 12:32 PM (8MBOc)

214
The less people believe in this global warming hoax and fraud, the louder the hoaxers and fraudsters scream.

But I just rev my V-8 engine to drowned them out.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2014 12:32 PM (hUf/y)

215 Every time I come to the site it seems I get assigned a new login ID. I already have two on the thread alone. Weird.

Posted by: MTF at April 15, 2014 12:33 PM (1Boes)

216 How long before Barky issues one of his EO's proclaiming that "All doctors must take Medicare patients"... It worked great for toilet paper in Venezuela.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2014 12:33 PM (8ZskC)

217 dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

The dumbing of Amurica.

This is the great leveling that every leftist talks about.
Everyone is equal and anyone who isn't will be burdened until they cannot perform better than anyone else.

DIVERSITY!!!!

Since certain demographics have an I.Q. Bell Curve that is shifted lower than other demographics, we will now emplace a learning standard that will equally hamper learning on all demographics.

With the added benefit of making these COMMON VILLAGERS less able to think critically and thus be a source of trouble and resentment towards their OVERLORDS.

The Great Equalization will begin.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 15, 2014 12:33 PM (JS0vr)

218 Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon. Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.
Posted by: Swami Fritz at April 15, 2014 03:49 PM (UzPAd)

Doesn't that bake your noodle?

Posted by: The Oracle at April 15, 2014 03:53 PM (yz6yg)

That movie was the biggest piece of pseudo-gnostic, mystical Hollywood claptrap and bullshit I've ever seen cobbled together on the big screen, but I still liked it. Neo was a sympathetic hero, Trinity was hotness personified, and the action sequences were great. Awesome popcorn flick.

Thing is, 'The Matrix' kept hinting at these weighty philosophical issues in play, as if at any moment some kind of deep statement of one sort or another would be revealed. But no. What we got instead were the worst sequels ever made by a major movie franchise.

Oh, and yeah: I wasn't the only one that noticed that Neo, Trinity, and the rest murdered any number of completely innocent people on the flimsiest of pretexts. You see that security guard? After a long, hard day at work, he's going home to his wife and kids and...oh, okay. Neo just shot him to pieces. Too bad, so sad. And so on.

Normal human beings exist in that movie universe solely as props to be shot and blown up at will, for dramatic effect, and Neo and his friends are the only beings with legitimacy. The more I re-watch that movie, the more discomfited I am by it.

Posted by: troyriser at April 15, 2014 12:33 PM (gNlvW)

219 In the next grant cycle, you'll come across the Colorado border and see a miles-long row of these: http://tinyurl.com/kq4hov2

So quit cherbitchin.

Posted by: Mr Science at April 15, 2014 12:33 PM (xq1UY)

220 Just on Fox IRS is getting 62.5 million in bonuses this year because morale is low. Well what about the morale of the American people,the stupid in Washington it hurts.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at April 15, 2014 12:34 PM (GKF3X)

221 How long before Barky issues one of his EO's proclaiming that "All doctors must take Medicare patients"... They keep pushing people onto Medicare. And there are fewer and fewer doctors who take Medicare patients. So again...Math will bite them in the ass. Posted by: wheatie at April 15, 2014 04:31 PM (FWbLS) I was just reading this: McCaughey: 'A Million or More' Obamacare Subscribers Will Default http://tinyurl.com/p9mu4fj I had been thinking about this for a while: "You're also going to see a million people or more default. In other words, they have paid their first premium, but when they discover what it really means to have a $3,000 or $5,000 deductible on their plan, they go to their doctor again and again and have to pay full freight, even though they're paying a premium, they're going to stop paying their premium. And, she brings up other issues, like the companies dropping them. The cancer patients being hardest hit, etc. Plus, they made it virtually impossible to escape obamacare once you've signed up. So bad.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 12:35 PM (IXrOn)

222 I'm having trouble with the comments too. I keep trying to comment on the Federalist blog, but it keeps kicking me back to AoSHQ.

Posted by: Soona at April 15, 2014 12:36 PM (/nOVW)

223 Ebola Outbreak: At Least 100 Die in West Africa By Richard Engel More than 100 people have died from the latest Ebola outbreak in West Africa. With no cure or vaccine, it is one of the most deadly of viruses, killing between 60 to 90 percent of those infected. Heath officials in Conakry, the capital of Guinea, have set up isolation centers and are screening at the airport. Global warming is causing wide spread disease.

Posted by: THe Academic Industry at April 15, 2014 12:36 PM (thLL8)

224 "Everyone is equal and anyone who isn't will be burdened until they cannot perform better than anyone else."

I got this.

Posted by: Diana Moon Glampers, Handicapper General at April 15, 2014 12:36 PM (noWW6)

225 Something from twitchy to brighten everyone's day

http://tinyurl.com/p4a6alg

"Must see TV: Stacey Dash cast in (pretend) cop show with Adam Baldwin, Nick Searcy"

Posted by: The Hickster at April 15, 2014 12:37 PM (TI3xG)

226 Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 04:26 PM (mizYg) So that's why they're all Keynesians, it's the only gay form of economics out there I guess!

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 15, 2014 12:38 PM (HDwDg)

227 Anyone else here get 3" of global warming overnight? Forecast is for 20 degrees tonight in neOH.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 15, 2014 12:39 PM (8MjqI)

228 "You're also going to see a million people or more default. In other words, they have paid their first premium, but when they discover what it really means to have a $3,000 or $5,000 deductible on their plan, they go to their doctor again and again and have to pay full freight, even though they're paying a premium, they're going to stop paying their premium. And, she brings up other issues, like the companies dropping them. The cancer patients being hardest hit, etc. Plus, they made it virtually impossible to escape obamacare once you've signed up. So bad. This is our best chance to see Washington burned to the ground.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 12:39 PM (CRyse)

229

"So bad."

An on purpose, which is just lovely.

But not his fault, mind you, no siree.

It's the fault of white GOP guys who haven't helped out people of color for all these years.

We have installed the furthest leftward government I can tihnk of.

To tihnk about it makes me sick.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 15, 2014 12:39 PM (xggaJ)

230 How long before Barky issues one of his EO's proclaiming that "All doctors must take Medicare patients" ______ I think you meant Medicaid? It won't be an EO. It will be small things like say you're a doctor with medical school loans. If you accept Medicaid, the debt goes away. Want to deduct the cost of your rent from your taxes Mr. Doctor? No problem. But only if you accept Medicaid. And a thousands other things like that, which will force virtually all doctors to accept Medicaid.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 12:40 PM (0LHZx)

231 So basically, if you look at my expenditure on zombie killing equipment, it kind of seems like a lot. But if you factor in the benefit of not having been killed by zombies, well that makes it cheap!

Posted by: blaster at April 15, 2014 12:40 PM (4+AaH)

232 "Sometimes the opportunity costs are just to high. Take a 95% efficient furnace. Yeah, that's probably nice. And would probably reduce my gas bill by quite a bit.
But I can't afford it. Period."

Also, those ultra high efficiency furnaces can be finicky as hell, and they cost a huge amount of money when they break. Computerized control boards FTW!

Torquewrench's Law Of Appliances: certain devices really should not have microprocessors embedded in them, for what ought to be obvious reasons.

Repair costs always have to be figured into the total cost of ownership, and those glossy gooberment energy savings brochures somehow always discreetly elide that important point.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 12:41 PM (noWW6)

233 I guess the old: "END WITHHOLDING!" scream is appropriate.

Posted by: Jean at April 15, 2014 12:41 PM (Aqvh6)

234 Perhaps we, the great unwashed, failed to comprehend what was meant by the word "transparency"... ...which was referring to two trannys forming a family unit in which minor children were present.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 15, 2014 12:41 PM (HsTG8)

235

223...Plus, they made it virtually impossible to escape obamacare once you've signed up.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette

And now...they've made it impossible for us to have the truth about the real numbers.

The Truth is an endangered species with this regime.

Posted by: wheatie at April 15, 2014 12:41 PM (FWbLS)

236 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 04:40 PM (0LHZx) There already are a ton of programs that will forgive medical loan debt for working in medically underserved areas, another one isn't going to help Obama. As for using the tax code, yeah that's a big fat "probably"

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 15, 2014 12:42 PM (HDwDg)

237 And a thousands other things like that, which will force virtually all doctors to accept Medicaid.

Medicaid being partially administered by states, I expect accepting any and all Medicaid patients to become a requirement to renew your license to practice, at least in states that expanded Medicaid through Obamacare.

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 12:42 PM (ZKzrr)

238 heh. Ted Cruz Presents Top 10 Excuses the IRS Won't Accept From You http://tinyurl.com/ovq58q4

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 12:42 PM (IXrOn)

239 But I just rev my V-8 engine to drowned them out. I can't see them through the smoke from the tires burning in my back yard.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 12:43 PM (0HooB)

240 Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 04:41 PM (noWW6 Yes, well, most modern furnaces have computer controls boards in them now regardless of efficiency. I can't speak to their finicky nature, my parents have one and it seems to be working OK (but I'm sure they aren't maintaining it as the instructions suggest.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 15, 2014 12:44 PM (HDwDg)

241 But not his fault, mind you, no siree. It's the fault of white GOP guys who haven't helped out people of color for all these years. We have installed the furthest leftward government I can tihnk of. To tihnk about it makes me sick. Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 15, 2014 04:39 PM (xggaJ) Oh I can make you sicker. To the hard core Leftists? TFG is a right wing nutjob.

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 12:45 PM (Xed9r)

242 Fatal MERS Virus Outbreak Surges Throughout Middle East because....Global Warming.

Posted by: The Academic Industry at April 15, 2014 12:45 PM (thLL8)

243

232...I think you meant Medicaid?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

Oh you're right! I meant Medicaid.

Duh. *slaps self*

And you're probably right about how they'll try to force doctors to accept it.

But still, I don't think that will net enough doctors.

Posted by: wheatie at April 15, 2014 12:45 PM (FWbLS)

244 I've been predicting, ever since O-Care was passed that there will be a medical tourism explosion to places like The Bahamas. Forcing Medicaid acceptance is going to be the catalyst, I think. Doctors will close up shop in Miami, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc and open up shop in The Bahamas. Same with other Caribbean countries. No insurance, just pay upfront cash. You get an American doctor, a nice vacation all for less than what you'd pay at home to see a 3rd World arrival doctor.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 12:46 PM (0LHZx)

245 Speaking of expensive repairs...my A/C died last summer (of course during the hottest week of the year when it was pushing 100 every day). Cost to repair was $700 which was basically replacing 1 component that cost $500 and $200 of labor. I was like WTF? This is insane. And I called around different places just to make sure I wasn't being taken for a ride. Everyone said it would cost about the same thing.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 12:47 PM (0LHZx)

246 So basically, if you look at my expenditure on zombie killing equipment, it kind of seems like a lot. But if you factor in the benefit of not having been killed by zombies, well that makes it cheap!

Posted by: blaster

Co-benefits:

1. Fewer squirrrels around the house
2. More NRA fundraising letters to use a kindling
3. Nice arm definition from working the press when reloading
4. Liberal neighbors maintain a respectful distance now that know you're probably packing
5. Your own ATF file, with surveillance photos
6. The smell of CLP that permeates the house makes they guys who are dating your daughter twitchy
7. A trickle-down economic boom for the South

Posted by: Jean at April 15, 2014 12:48 PM (Aqvh6)

247 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 04:46 PM (0LHZx) Five years ago I'd have said "You're off your rocker." Now it's looking more and more possible. There are still infrastructure constraints that make me think it's not likely to happen on a massive scale, but those could be overcome with a cash influx. And if we start lowing requirements to get American medical licenses I think that'll accelerate the process just out of spite.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 15, 2014 12:49 PM (HDwDg)

248 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 04:47 PM (0LHZx) Even more amazing is how much of your AC unit is just empty space.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 15, 2014 12:50 PM (HDwDg)

249 You get an American doctor, a nice vacation all for less than what you'd pay at home to see a 3rd World arrival doctor.

If the TSA lets you on the boat/plane. Easy enough for the politically connected, and they'll find a way to make sure it's impossible for the rest of us.

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 12:50 PM (ZKzrr)

250

Ebola and MERS...

*shudders*

I hate to think what would happen if those two diseases got a foothold here.

Of course, Barky and his weasels would probably find a way to use the crises for their own maximum political benefit.

Posted by: wheatie at April 15, 2014 12:51 PM (FWbLS)

251 If the TSA lets you on the boat/plane. Easy enough for the politically connected, and they'll find a way to make sure it's impossible for the rest of us. Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 04:50 PM (ZKzrr) So pretty much like choosing a school for your kid

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 15, 2014 12:53 PM (HDwDg)

252 247, 249 --- My cousin is a real estate broker in Panama. LOTS of American investment in potential "medical tourism" properties there over the last few years. Lately not AS much --- with Venezuelan emigres kicking the prices up --- but still a good market.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2014 01:00 PM (dfYL9)

253 It is absolutely a fact the Obama attended college as a foreign student. Somebody needs to ask this at a presidential press conference. This must be done!

Posted by: Pete at April 15, 2014 01:02 PM (NhFRQ)

254

" To the hard core Leftists? TFG is a right wing nutjob."

I think he gives them enough of a wink to make them less insane.

They are batshit nuts, of course, but when they see how he makes time in his schedule to put Maoists in his cabinet and give Vlad some romminess in his trousers...they know.

They knew who this asshole was, entirely.

What we don't know what he's done so far is what has me concerned.

Brazen leftism spewing out all over the place.

I put my faith in John Boner and Rinse Pubes at GOP HQ to come up with a great plan to hold it all back!

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 15, 2014 01:37 PM (xggaJ)

255 Money I might or might not save later lessens the sum of my actual out-of-pocket costs today. That's just good sound accounting.

Posted by: Bud Norton at April 15, 2014 01:39 PM (6cOMd)

256 Oh, Tommy Troll. You're comparing apples to oranges.....again. Carbon dioxide is not air pollution. What you're referring to is particulate pollution, which, as a country becomes more advanced economically is less of an issue. People more economically advanced don't use indoor cookstoves. Just how many people living in the western democracies still cook with indoor cookstoves? You win no points for stupidity.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 15, 2014 01:40 PM (F26eZ)

257 Of course energy efficiency reduces particulate emissions from coal burning by reducing the total amount of coal combusted. Coal is the primary source of harmful particulates in the US. So clearly reducing coal requirements by energy efficiency (building insulation, better appliances and lighting, etc.) will reduce harmful pollution and reduce health care costs in the US too. http://www.rmi.org/RFGraph-health_effects_from_US_power_plant_emissions "Fossil fuel combustion harms air quality and human health. A 2010 study by the Clean Air Task Force estimated that air pollution from coal-fired power plants accounts for more than 13,000 premature deaths, 20,000 heart attacks, and 1.6 million lost workdays in the U.S. each year. The total monetary cost of these health impacts is over $100 billion annually. SOURCES Schneider, C., and Jonathan Banks. 2010. The Toll From Coal: An Updated Assessment of Death and Disease from AmericaÂ’s Dirtiest Energy Source. Clean Air Task Force, September. link" Reality trumps ideology.

Posted by: TommyVee at April 16, 2014 07:57 AM (KppFl)

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