January 05, 2012
— Ace I'm just calling this an open thread because this doesn't seem like the sort of thing that warrants its own post, but it's funny.
This, from Ben in the sidebar, is also good.
A drunk Colorado woman punched an iconic $30 million painting and rubbed her bare buttocks on the artwork before collapsing in a heap and urinating on herself at a museum, the Denver Post reported....
“It doesn’t appear she urinated on the painting or that the urine damaged it, so she’s not being charged with that,” Denver District Attorney spokeswoman Lynn Kimbrough told the Post.
She did, they say, $100,000 in damage to the $30 million painting.
$30 million?

I don't want to be Joe Philistine but like I was just saying, quoting Adam Carolla, if I could do that (and I could), then it's not super-duper art.
I mean, I like it, sure. It looks like those "Indian" wall-hangings you used to be able to buy at Six Flags Great Adventure for $5. To go with your rubber sucker-tipped arrows. So, sure, shoot me that painting, and a little plastic bow with the sucker-tipped arrows, and I'll pay 50, maybe 60 buck.
But... come on. If this is super-art then I've got some old book covers from middle school that I need to get on the market, stat.
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I don't see the spaceship though.
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 05, 2012 12:33 PM (lVGED)
Yeah, but can you repair it for under 100k?
I know a few art conservator/restorer types. They have a lot of overhead and time invested their trade/craft.
Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2012 12:34 PM (kNuWf)
Posted by: rickl at January 05, 2012 12:34 PM (zoehZ)
Don't try to screw up my racket, smart guy.
Posted by: Jackson Pollock at January 05, 2012 12:34 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: lorien1973 at January 05, 2012 12:34 PM (usXZy)
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 05, 2012 12:35 PM (lVGED)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 05, 2012 12:35 PM (UlUS4)
Umm, somebody made a painting of the fabric on a chair in a Texas whorehouse from circa 1965?
Posted by: joncelli at January 05, 2012 12:35 PM (RD7QR)
So, it's about a consulting firm.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 05, 2012 12:36 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: joncelli at January 05, 2012 12:37 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Thomas Kinkade at January 05, 2012 12:37 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at January 05, 2012 12:37 PM (4136b)
They say you should unfocus your eyes, but that's not true. You need deep focus.
Posted by: Mr. Pitt at January 05, 2012 12:37 PM (GTbGH)
The big hole in the center makes me wonder if I can have sex with it. And how much it'd cost.
Not as much as you'd think. That painting is a dirty whore who likes it rough. Sacred Honour compels me to leave it at that, though.
Posted by: Will Folks at January 05, 2012 12:37 PM (kNuWf)
Posted by: Dblwmy at January 05, 2012 12:38 PM (BvTwT)
Posted by: The Artist, Who Shall Remain Nameless For Reasons of Personal Security at January 05, 2012 12:38 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 05, 2012 12:38 PM (lVGED)
Now I can rest assured that are still plenty of people out there stupid enough to vote for Obama again.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 05, 2012 12:38 PM (i3+c5)
A 1%er and the occutard was just peacefully protesting that fact with her ass and urine, but mostly her ass..
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 05, 2012 12:39 PM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Rick Sanchez, Formerly of CNN at January 05, 2012 12:39 PM (uTMlU)
Accuracy-enhanced version.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 05, 2012 12:40 PM (7utQ2)
Umm, don't they need to get a super-majority in the Senate first?
Oh yeah, that's right. Who reads the Constitution anyway.
Posted by: CUS at January 05, 2012 12:40 PM (84pE9)
Posted by: joncelli at January 05, 2012 12:40 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at January 05, 2012 12:41 PM (QKKT0)
Forget November, Romney has to be stopped now.
Posted by: Valiant at January 05, 2012 12:41 PM (aFxlY)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 05, 2012 12:42 PM (FUYSU)
Posted by: The DOOM!® you didn't see coming! at January 05, 2012 12:42 PM (jdOk/)
Posted by: Lady in Black ~ still carrying a torch for Perry at January 05, 2012 12:42 PM (ycuSb)
Posted by: Drunk Colorado Woman at January 05, 2012 12:43 PM (U9Spd)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, CEO Curmudgeons INC. at January 05, 2012 12:43 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 05, 2012 12:44 PM (UR5vq)
Posted by: Lady in Black ~ still carrying a torch for Perry at January 05, 2012 04:42 PM (ycuSb)
Missed it by thatmuch. I guess I owe you a Coke.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, CEO Curmudgeons INC. at January 05, 2012 12:44 PM (d0Tfm)
You think you could, but you don't know you can't because you don't.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 05, 2012 12:44 PM (/kI1Q)
If you cross your eyes, the center portion looks like the Energizer bunny running over a poodle riding a boogie board as he races toward the sunset (on the right).
(The blotchy white thing on the left looks like Momma...)
Posted by: Warthog at January 05, 2012 12:45 PM (WDySP)
She did, they say, $100,000 in damage to the $30 million painting.
Those skid marks aren't going to archivally steam clean themselves!
Posted by: Stimulus Enhanced Museum Perservationists at January 05, 2012 12:45 PM (U9Spd)
Geezus I'm so old. I totally get that.
Posted by: Y-not at January 05, 2012 12:45 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: DarkLord© for Prez! at January 05, 2012 12:45 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 05, 2012 12:45 PM (lVGED)
I've got some old book covers from middle school that I need to get on the market, stat.
I hope you saved your diaramas as well. Once those book covers sell, your early works will demand a premium.
Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2012 12:46 PM (kNuWf)
Posted by: runningrn at January 05, 2012 12:46 PM (U9Spd)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 05, 2012 12:46 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, CEO Curmudgeons INC. at January 05, 2012 12:47 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Hedgehog at January 05, 2012 12:47 PM (3jGS1)
Posted by: joncelli at January 05, 2012 04:40 PM (RD7QR)
Looks like a blood smeared cow pissing to the right.
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at January 05, 2012 12:47 PM (4136b)
The point of abstract paintings is to create ‘the thing itself’, not a representation of another thing, whether object, person, or landscape. It stands alone, good or bad, and its merit isn’t measured by how well or how poorly it reproduces something else. To me, abstraction in art is more direct and immediate. The abstract artist understands that the art isn’t what’s hanging on the wall or standing in the round; rather, the art lies in effect: what takes place in the mind or heart of the person experiencing the painting or sculpture created by the artist. The best artist guides your eyes and provokes the thoughts he or she wants you to think, the emotions he or she wants you to feel. Sometimes they succeed, sometimes they don’t, but people should at least be receptive to the idea.
I like Still's painting, myself. To me, the style is reminscent of PollackÂ’s girlfriend/wife Lee KrasnerÂ’s work. Still was considered quite the big name in his day, and was often compared with Pollack as an innovative force in the abstract expressionist movement. And no, Ace. I very much doubt you could paint something as good as Still's piece. You could give it a try, though.
I paint, and my own work seems to veering off into abstraction, almost against my will. I sell my work to make much of my living, both commercial stuff and fine art, and there's not exactly a lot of big money potential there--and I don't write that because I'm a snob or because I like struggle without gain. I do it because I must, because if I didn't I'd be filled with the woulda shoulda coulda regrets I swore wouldn't be weighing me down when I die. What I want--and what most serious artists want, I think--is to make something beautiful and true.
What that woman did was shameful and wrong, but it wasnÂ’t the act itself that bothers me. It was the thinking behind the act, that oh-so-special combination of viciousness and vacuity.
Posted by: troyriser at January 05, 2012 12:48 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: joncelli at January 05, 2012 12:48 PM (RD7QR)
It's the type of painting that will draw crowds. Crowds that look at it and form one emotional response: "This is fucking art"?
Posted by: Soona at January 05, 2012 12:49 PM (UHlvV)
Posted by: Juicer at January 05, 2012 12:49 PM (/UFbC)
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 05, 2012 04:45 PM (lVGED)
THAT'S IT!! I knew that painting reminded me of something. It is like looking in the toilet last night after the explosive diarrhea. Damn, I need to get a canvas to put under there next time. I could probably get a few mill $, right?
Posted by: Hedgehog at January 05, 2012 12:49 PM (3jGS1)
Posted by: elizabethe is *still* all in for Perry at January 05, 2012 12:50 PM (hCc/i)
Posted by: troyriser at January 05, 2012 04:48 PM (vtiE6)
Nothing more immediate than being punched and then getting an ass rub.
It's rare to evoke that kind of response from a 2D artwork.
Usually it's the sculptures and 3D art that arouse the violence.
Posted by: Statue of David at January 05, 2012 12:50 PM (kNuWf)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, CEO Curmudgeons INC. at January 05, 2012 12:51 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Sgt. Hartman at January 05, 2012 12:52 PM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: troyriser at January 05, 2012 04:48 PM (vtiE6)
Nice try. It's a piece of shit and everyone knows it.
Posted by: Soona at January 05, 2012 12:54 PM (UHlvV)
The point of abstract paintings is to create ‘the thing itself’, not a representation of another thing, whether object, person, or landscape. It stands alone, good or bad, and its merit isn’t measured by how well or how poorly it reproduces something else. To me, abstraction in art is more direct and immediate. The abstract artist understands that the art isn’t what’s hanging on the wall or standing in the round; rather, the art lies in effect: what takes place in the mind or heart of the person experiencing the painting or sculpture created by the artist. The best artist guides your eyes and provokes the thoughts he or she wants you to think, the emotions he or she wants you to feel. Sometimes they succeed, sometimes they don’t, but people should at least be receptive to the idea.
I like Still's painting, myself. To me, the style is reminscent of PollackÂ’s girlfriend/wife Lee KrasnerÂ’s work. Still was considered quite the big name in his day, and was often compared with Pollack as an innovative force in the abstract expressionist movement. And no, Ace. I very much doubt you could paint something as good as Still's piece. You could give it a try, though.
I paint, and my own work seems to veering off into abstraction, almost against my will. I sell my work to make much of my living, both commercial stuff and fine art, and there's not exactly a lot of big money potential there--and I don't write that because I'm a snob or because I like struggle without gain. I do it because I must, because if I didn't I'd be filled with the woulda shoulda coulda regrets I swore wouldn't be weighing me down when I die. What I want--and what most serious artists want, I think--is to make something beautiful and true.
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Huh? I work because I need money - that's what's true
What that woman did was shameful and wrong, but it wasnÂ’t the act itself that bothers me. It was the thinking behind the act, that oh-so-special combination of viciousness and vacuity.
Posted by: troyriser at January 05, 2012 04:48 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Not an Artist at January 05, 2012 12:56 PM (fOPv7)
50 That had to have been painted by a liberal or a very drunk conservative?
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 05, 2012 04:46 PM (i6RpT)
Or a very crafty huckster who sold people on the idea that the word "art" can be defined as anything. Yeah, yeah, it was funny when Marcel DuChamp did it with the urinal, but now every talentless hack that can grasp a crayon took that one lame joke and ran with it, producing the Modern Art movement. People now read meaning into random paint splatters. It's no wonder there are armies of swindlers willing to sell the emperor a new painting to go with the new clothes.
(Wait! I didn't see it before but the black areas of the above work spell "SCOAMF". It's the work of a genuis...)
Posted by: Warthog at January 05, 2012 12:56 PM (WDySP)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 05, 2012 12:56 PM (hWRjQ)
Posted by: Juicer at January 05, 2012 12:57 PM (/UFbC)
Posted by: toby928© at January 05, 2012 12:59 PM (GTbGH)
Today is one of those days I'm forced to accept that conservatives really *are* pig-ignorant assholes, isn't it?
(Hey, troyriser, where do you show in Broad Ripple?)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 05, 2012 01:00 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Weimdog at January 05, 2012 01:02 PM (SwPvC)
Posted by: troyriser at January 05, 2012 01:03 PM (vtiE6)
I wandered around it 20 years ago, I uttered something like "wow, this is complete bull***, I can't believe people are taken in by this cr@p". That is when I first realized that I was turning into my Dad, who was a great outspoken alpha male. However, I am a female, and it concerned me at the time.
I also realized that my Dad's garage filled with random construction type stuff was really High Art.
Posted by: shibumi at January 05, 2012 01:04 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 05, 2012 01:04 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 05, 2012 05:00 PM (/kI1Q)
I did the Bungalow in Broad Ripple two years ago. Decided to hold off on showing any more until the Painted Women series is done--which it almost is, after taking up six years of my life. Then, when I find a gallery, I show them all. More visual power that way.
Posted by: troyriser at January 05, 2012 01:06 PM (vtiE6)
The Jesus Bird?
Please call my secretary and make an appointment. We'll block off a few hours to start with...
Posted by: Dr. Freud at January 05, 2012 01:06 PM (z63Tr)
Guy hires a painter. Hey, he says, paint my porch a forest green.
Painter says, really? You sure? Guy says yep.
Few hours later, painter knocks on the door.
It's painted, he says, but I still think it's a Ferrari.
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 05, 2012 01:06 PM (PddVe)
Posted by: EBL at January 05, 2012 01:07 PM (IgakF)
Posted by: elizabethe is *still* all in for Perry at January 05, 2012 01:08 PM (hCc/i)
Posted by: Juicer at January 05, 2012 04:57 PM (/UFbC)
And Dennis Kucinich...
Posted by: Hedgehog at January 05, 2012 01:08 PM (3jGS1)
Junk.
And if Christ in urine is "art" or Mary made out of dung is "art", then this piece ought to be improved by a little well placed excrement, no?
Posted by: Syracuse1989 at January 05, 2012 01:10 PM (OIIe6)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 05, 2012 01:12 PM (hWRjQ)
No, anyone here can paint something like this and have it deemed as 'good' as the painting in question.
And have a blind viewing of it and see the reactions from art snobs to see who likes what.
Posted by: Rick Sanchez, Formerly of CNN at January 05, 2012 01:12 PM (uTMlU)
"The best artist guides your eyes and provokes the thoughts he or she wants you to think,"
My eyes rolled, and I was filled with thoughts of landfills. I've seen house painter's drop cloths that were more appealing.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 05, 2012 01:12 PM (E9ajU)
Posted by: troyriser at January 05, 2012 05:03 PM (vtiE6)
Only if there are funny animals playing cards in them.
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at January 05, 2012 01:13 PM (4136b)
Maybe five colors if you count the splash of gray.
Posted by: Dave C at January 05, 2012 01:16 PM (uTMlU)
Posted by: Juicer at January 05, 2012 01:16 PM (/UFbC)
"Would anyone like some cozy, glowy cabin in the woods pictures? With sunsets?"
Joan Miro did a few that resembled that sort of thing. They didn't suck though.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 05, 2012 01:18 PM (E9ajU)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 05, 2012 01:21 PM (Y5I9o)
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Posted by: Juicer at January 05, 2012 01:25 PM (/UFbC)
Posted by: wordygirl at January 05, 2012 01:25 PM (+Cm9Z)
Posted by: Duke LaCrosse at January 05, 2012 01:32 PM (Xwgt3)
As a Denver yokel, let me clarify a few points.
The painting shown is not the one being shown by other news sources including local stations. The one shown elsewhere is even less interesting.
The cost to repair the painting is estimated at $10,000, not $100,000.
No one paid $30 million for the painting. Like almost all of Still's works, it was held by Still's family until donated to the Denver museum. Four of Still's works were sold to fund museum operations. They sold for $104 million with one going for $61 million.
Just another monument marking the decline of western civilization.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at January 05, 2012 01:37 PM (oxgwp)
That's a $30 million painting? Who knew that Koko the Chimpanzee could dip brushes into red and black paint cans and throw the colors on a canvas in alternation?
Posted by: Comanche Voter at January 05, 2012 01:39 PM (3ESDJ)
Posted by: steevy at January 05, 2012 01:42 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 05, 2012 01:44 PM (HRDOp)
So is the pendulum going to swing back to works like this? Now granted, it's no cozy cabin in the woods or sunsets, but I think it's wonderful.
Does this really compare, even if the artist managed to inject his own name into it?
Posted by: bonhomme at January 05, 2012 01:47 PM (FD6YW)
Posted by: troyriser at January 05, 2012 05:03 PM (vtiE6)
Only if there are some Bob Ross "happy little trees" included;P)
Posted by: someone at January 05, 2012 01:47 PM (bqjJT)
Posted by: Andres Serrano at January 05, 2012 01:48 PM (BHM5V)
Posted by: bonhomme at January 05, 2012 01:49 PM (FD6YW)
I like Still's painting, myself. To me, the style is reminscent of PollackÂ’s girlfriend/wife Lee KrasnerÂ’s work. Still was considered quite the big name in his day, and was often compared with Pollack as an innovative force in the abstract expressionist movement. And no, Ace. I very much doubt you could paint something as good as Still's piece. You could give it a try, though.
What that woman did was shameful and wrong, but it wasnÂ’t the act itself that bothers me. It was the thinking behind the act, that oh-so-special combination of viciousness and vacuity.
Posted by: troyriser at January 05, 2012 04:48 PM etter than Pollack too. I'd even buy him the large canva
I also paint and yes, Ace could paint something as good as Stll. Ace could paint better than Pollack too. I'd even buy him the large canvas and Valu Rite so he could throw the paint on in the same way. Hell my cat can paint better than Pollack and he doesn't have to get drunk to do it.
Yes abstract art has meaning, and much of it takes skill and a mastery of the mediums, this painting and others not so much. The eye of the beholder does not make it great or valuable.
Posted by: Deanna at January 05, 2012 02:20 PM (YVcIJ)
Posted by: Mudshark at January 05, 2012 02:23 PM (CRDXw)
Posted by: chuck in st paul at January 05, 2012 02:27 PM (EhYdw)
Posted by: Seth at January 05, 2012 02:30 PM (xjmh9)
It's not just what the "artwirk" looks like, it's the rare expensive material that it's made of.
That's not just any painting. It's actually the skin of a rare Antarctic snow tiger....as the black stripes on the white background indicate. The red is that world renowned elixr made famous by none other than 'the winner' Charlie Sheen. The yellow is new, not in the catalogue edition, may have been added by a druken female tourist.(the grey indicates it was an aging tiger)
Posted by: Speller at January 05, 2012 02:30 PM (J74Py)
I know you were joking, but lest others be misled, from the Denver Post:
Based on a complex donation agreement reached in 2004 with Patricia Still, Clyfford Still's widow, the artist's paintings and works on paper — about 2,400 in all — are owned by the city of Denver.
But the Clyfford Still Museum, which was created to house, oversee and exhibit the collection, is a privately funded 501(c)3 nonprofit organization that receives no city support.
Like scores of other arts organizations in the region, it is receiving public support from the seven- county Scientific and Cultural Facilities District, which is funded by a 1/10th-of-1-percent sales tax.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at January 05, 2012 03:07 PM (oxgwp)
No. (There's other days for that.)
In this case, the conservatives are right. I can't even tell if this painting looked like that before or after some drunkard wiped her bum on it. That means that this painting, quite literally, looks like shit.
I propose a deal with the Taliban: they can send over their Buddha statues to us, and we can drop our modern art museums on them. Then at least they would serve a purpose.
Posted by: Zimriel, the reactionary who flames conservatives a lot at January 05, 2012 03:52 PM (QQAJP)
No defense of that particular painting or that particular artist, but "i could do that" is a bullshit reason. The fact is that you did NOT do it; the artist in question DID.
I can type all the same words as Shakespeare. And yet only one of us is a literary genius.
Lots of people can play the guitar part from "Purple Haze." I mean the notes are all right there, and you can easily find out what order to play them in and everything. But only Jimi could come up with it.
Technique is great but technique alone is not art. There are people who can do very photorealistic paintings; they are NOT ipso facto better art than (say) sketchy late Picassos, which are very simple in terms of line and detail.
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