1 What a horrid old man.

2 The rest of the country sees the publicized crap that Bloomberg has done and wants to do to NYC. But he has screwed up so many other things too. Traffic patterns in Manhattan (and to a lesser extent the rest of the city) are being manipulated at the whim of unelected bureaucrats sitting in planning offices. Whole streets are closed and made into pedestrian walkways. Three lane streets are narrowed to one lane with a stop sign. Bus lanes, bike lanes, etc have destroyed traffic flow in the entire city.

And don't get me started about parking!

3 What is this 'parking' of which you speak?

4 Speaking of statists:

Iowahawk is a fucking genius.

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2012/07/you-didnt-build-that.html

5 I watched Downfall the other night and one line struck me kind of sad and funny at the same time. The insane one was confessing his lack of empathy for the German civilians that would have to endure the loss of the war. He said essentially screw then, they elected me. I wonder if the JEF feels the same way?

6 I wonder if the JEF feels the same way? Oh, I guarantee it

7 Push back at all costs. I think you will see an new age of older aged farts like myself who are just not going to eat this ideology crap. It is something we can patiently teach too thewarped 20 somethhings and others, pertty soon they will see this back to the conservative as the new cool. As Churchill said, The Old grow sage while the yuong sow oats.

8 Years ago, when some huge lawsuit against tobacco companies was going on, a co-worker told me that we would end up with do-gooders going after fat and sugar in our diets. I really thought she was crazy. If you had told me that the mayor of any large city would outlaw the sale of large sodas I would never have believed it. What the hell is wrong with New Yorkers that they tolerate this kind of patronizing attitude on the part of their overlords?

9 That's beautiful, man. Call me a hopelessly optimistic progressive, but I believe we are going to kick the statists' collective collectivist hinds.

10 No packing pistols in New Yawk..Back in my day you never new who was packin in Motown, and as statistically back in the day 2 outa 3 people were packing pistols this kept the crime rate to the extreme war areas like woodrow wilson avenue and those parts only know to those who lived there,as police never patroled there unless accompanying a meat wagon for a pickup.

11 What the hell is wrong with New Yorkers that they tolerate this kind of patronizing attitude on the part of their overlords?

I'm completely divested from NY state as of last week.  Took a brutal financial beating on some real estate to make it happen, but some of something was better than all of nothing. 

Sometimes you just gotta get the fuck out of a bad thing while you still can.

12 I bailed out of LA when Schwartzenegger was still governor, and never looked back.  I can't imagine what it's like now with Gov. Moonbeam.

13 Posted by: Clemenza at July 21, 2012 12:51 PM (+SiV6)


Problem now is that the young are sowing oats with no consequences for where the seeds may fall.   This level of hedonism has never existed before at the levels that it does today, and it has the capacity to totally destroy any rational survival instinct that previous generations were required to have. 

Several examples:  Free contraceptives, free abortion, "Chirren" eligible for insurance via parent's policy until they're 26, free food stamps, extended unemployment, etc.  When the wheels come off, I estimate the two youngest (adult) generations have no capacity to survive.

14

Iowahawk is a fucking genius.

 

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 21, 2012 12:40 PM (nEUpB)

 

 

That was excellent.

 

15 8 nerdygirl: Yep, I predicted that too. And I don't understand why New Yorkers tolerate it either. Once upon a time, it was the most vibrant city in America, full of all kinds of people from every corner of the globe pursuing every imaginable kind of endeavor. New York City was the very symbol of freedom all over the world. Ayn Rand practically idolized it.

16 @ 13 yes history had the Roman Empire living largess and morally bankrupt,until some relatives of mine , came down and sacked the city, now the chineese are doing the same thing economically and culturally if you live in SoCal, with a little help from the gorrilas gangs South of our border.

17 Greetings: Mmmm Mandatory ! I love th sound of mandatory in the morning. It sounds like Victory !!

18

Apropos of nothing...... I have had various bits of movie dialogue popping into my head all week.  Mostly lines from the 1971 classic Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.  And even more strange,  John Wayne saying,"Not the brandy you dope".

19 In 20 years, people will think of Escape From New York as a documentary.

20

On an ONT a while back there was a link to "The 50 Best Movies You Never Saw", I decided to watch some of them.  Last night I saw "Enter the Void".

Holy shit, I feel like I need to talk to a therapist.  I feel like I didn't even watch it, that I dreamed it.  Maybe it just affected me personally becouse I used to DJ at some of those same Tokyo nightclubs in that movie, and the whole thing is shot in first person, but damn thats a powerful fucking movie.

21 Posted by: Hrothgar (CJSC Designated Serf) atJuly 21,2012 01:00 PM (Cnqmv I'm afraid you're right. I'm in the older of those two generations and am constantly being made more aware of how unprepared I am to deal with life when SHTF. The newest adult generation? Well, look at the father of the year nominee from the theater killings and the woman who chose him as sperm-donor.

22 Statism: where eventually something that you do will be considered a crime.

23 Everyone is a criminal in statist societies, everyone.  Its the only way to survive.  If you want something, you go to the black market. 

24 http://is.gd/ZowfjJ Bubby in the city. We escaped via the Holland Tunnel yesterday.

25 Time to trot out the Ayn Rand quote from Atlas Shrugged: "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We WANT them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against--then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted--and you create a nation of law-breakers--and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

26 Where does bloomberg stand on fast and furious. Where does bloomberg stand on chicago pols begging gangs not to shoot children, after harsh gun controls have been implemented. Or lax border security that allows crime to come north and kill US citizens. Where?

27 Has Brian Ross been fired yet?

28 I am Michael Bloomberg and I proposed a law requiring you to approve this message.

29 Jeff - we're working on it.

30 13 this level of hedonism ha never existed at these levels before . . . Sure it has.

31 That's the beauty of the survival instinct. Those without it don't survive.

A Great Winnowing is coming.

32 Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2012 01:27 PM (sdi6R) I don't think Ayn realized she was writing the User'sManual.

33

20 On an ONT a while back there was a link to "The 50 Best Movies You Never Saw", ...

 

I was surfing around last week and started watching a movie I'd never heard of.....

'Interstate 60'

It was great.....a feel-good type of movie.

It had cameos of a lot of good actors....Kurt Russell, Gary Oldman, Chris Cooper, Christopher Lloyd, Ann Margaret....and a lot of others.

The main character was James Marsden....the guy who played Scott Summers/Cyclops in the X-Men movies.

 

It pokes fun at Lawyers, Liars, Statism, Hypocrisy, Elitism....and a lot of the things that we conservatives rail about.

Definitely worth a watch, if you're wanting to see something that makes you smile.

34

In the new paradigm many workers will be needed.  At least we have that.

35 liberals : defending your inalienable right to an abortion, but that's all the rights you get

36

>>Has Brian Ross been fired yet?

 

Ya know, I assumed there was no chance of that from the start, but conservatives aren't the only ones complaining about him.

 

Shall see, we will.

37

New details coming out in the Movie Massacre tragedy.....

 

The shooter known as Holmes, spent a lot of time playing online role-playing games.

 

They keep calling him "the suspect".

But I will keep calling him "the shooter"....because, he is.

And a murderer, too.

38

It had cameos of a lot of good actors....Kurt Russell, Gary Oldman, Chris Cooper,

 wheatie at July 21, 2012 01:42 PM (MbB0O)

 

Mmmm...Gary Oldman....yummy.

39

I told Ace we would have at least 150 comments by now. Step it up.

We got Moveable Type running the script, no expense has been spared for you little mornons. So get to moving your fingertips on the keyboards.

We got to get to 150 before noon Pacific. Now Buck up.

Did I just say buck up.  Is that legal? 

40

>>Did I just say buck up. Is that legal?

 

Legal, but clearly racist.

41 I told Ace we would have at least 150 comments by now. Step it up.
You're not the boss of me.

42 It is better to 'buck up'...than fuck up....or buck down.

43

37
New details coming out in the Movie Massacre tragedy.....

The shooter known as Holmes, spent a lot of time playing online role-playing games.

 

So do millions of other people who never even hold a gun.  The crap the media focuses on and finds relevant to the motivations of psychotics is ridiculous.

44 OK so what is it with women anyways in controlling caffeine and salt?  Told my wife at 10:45PM last night I was going to make some coffee and she was about ready to call Dr. Drew. Then told her we were out of salt --- big mistake.  

45

 

I seriously doubt that Brian Ross will be fired.

The leftist media is using him as a whipping boy right now....to make themselves look good.

As if....what he did, is something that they themselves "would never do".

Yeah, right.

46 When the statists grab control, soon the populace conforms to get what it needs.  After a few generations, it's innate and they forget any other  way to live.

When NY is ruled by corrupt pols and their cronies, the unions and the bureaucrats, you obey, you pay off, you conform, you genuflect.  Soon you hate the idea that there might be any other way to live.

47 "Buck" is the term used by the Rev. Horton Heat in "Cowboy Love" to refer to his black lover. So, "Buck up" is obviously racist.

48

Gov. Bobby tweeted this link (in name).

 

>> the Bayou State had the second-largest employment percentage increase in the nation. North Dakota had the largest increase, with 6.5% more of its residents with a job this June than were last June. Louisiana followed at 2.8%, with the addition of about 52,700 jobs.

49

44 OK so what is it withwomen anyways in controlling caffeine and salt? Told my wife at 10:45PM last night I was going to make some coffee and shewas about ready to call Dr. Drew. Then told her we were out of salt --- big mistake. 

 

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Get more Life Insurance.

Then, she will sit hush up about the caffeine and salt.

50 Uhhh...let's just be clear here. Brian Ross is not going to be fired. At most, ABC...or whichever left leaning outfit he's working for, will make him pen, and read on air the typical leftist 'apology':

"I'm sorry any of you violent right wing tea party terrorists were offended by my earlier report."

51 It is better to 'buck up'...than fuck up....or buck down.Posted by: the wisdom of wheatie

ALWAYS BUCK UP, ACE!@!!!

52 49...*will sit back, and hush up

53

Controlling caffine??

 

Well, you don't want to get in between me and the coffee pot...

54 The joker in the comments using an Umlaut in their nic --- that stuff is strickly prohibited.  We can't um with out the proper laut permits. Sheezh.

55 Disney now owns Marvel, dammit

56 55 Disney now owns Marvel, dammit

Posted by: Truman North, Team Dagny, and iPhone snob at July 21, 2012 02:07 PM (I2LwF)

 

They have for a couple years.

57 Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 21, 2012 02:03 PM

There will be neither an apology nor a firing. There won't even be any further mention of Brian Ross's monumental dumbshittedness.

The only occasions that call for "apologies" from the MFM are cases that result in massive lawsuits or rare instances when they insult one of their own by mistake.

Ross isn't even close to the top of the Stupid Fuckstick list. See: Williams, Brian; Holt, Lester and anyone you care to name on CNN orMSNBC.

58 Sø sørrï. I vvön't dü it ågaiñ.

59

4337 New details coming out in the Movie Massacre tragedy..... The shooter known as Holmes, spent a lot of time playing online role-playing games.

 

So do millions of other people who never even hold a gun. The crap the media focuses on and finds relevant to the motivations of psychotics is ridiculous.

 

Yup. I know, buzz.

And they keep talking about all the firearms and ammo that he...."purchased legally.....*gasp*.

 

Now that there's been another shooting spree....by a crazed gunman....

We will have to hear all the calls to take guns away from all the people who haven't done anything.

60 When guns and 32 oz drinks are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns and 32 oz drinks.

61

Stark,

Just make us some Rotmos med fläsk and meet us in Solvang.  

62 http://is.gd/4AHutw

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2012 10:07 AM (YdQQY)

This from Vic earlier. The commenters at the DC are still obsessed with calling it PC run amok. I don't think it is anymore. I think it is a stated objective that we are not allowed to publicly criticize Islam at any times for any reasons. The evidence is becoming overwhelming.

63

If it wasn't for Breitbart, we'd prolly only now just begin to hear about the real shooter; the entirety of the news cycle would have been Tea Party Terrorist Murders Children.

64 The new York times front page had an article on this act of terrorism, and the end of the headline was something along the lines of, ..."renewing the debate." Which debate you craven cowardly cockweasels? The one about making America a right to concealed carry country? That debate? The one where the second amendment means the same thing no matter what jurisdiction you're in? The debate where the second amendment means what it says? Surely, you're not renewing that debate, you knew-walking stumblebums. You lose that debate, Pinchy's henchmen.

65 Fucking "news"papers...

66 Weird shit:

Dana Loesch is at an airport coming back from a conservative conference.

@DLoesch
TSA not going to let me take my Breitbart award.

‏@DLoesch
TSA has confiscated my luggage and award. "Traces of nitrates or explosives"

67

Future Television show dialogue:  

"Objection Sustained: Ladies and gentlmen of the jury, please dismiss counsel's last question concerning the past 32 ounce soda charge."

 

68 Heh- Just flipped past MSNBC a few minutes ago for grins- their banner said that "Police plan to dentonate booby trap!" Dentonate? Doesn't that mean chew on?  Hmmm...

69 Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 21, 2012 02:16 PM (ZOf1l) The ruling class in the US care more for the opinion of the arab street than they do for the safety and security of US citizens or the US Armed Forces. After all, both the US military and civilians are on a very tight leash, not like the muz.

70 Screw concealed carry. Shall not b infringed is pretty clear. U think that guy wouldv tried to shoot up a theatr wher half the ppl n it were carrying rifles and pistolas? He never wouldv made it to get saved by the police.

71 Every time I hear the phrase "renewing the debate" or its derivatives, all I can think of is that I'm about to be told: "Sit down shut the fuck up and listen to what I have to say, you will not add anything in disagreement and you will only nod your head approvingly."

72 TSA has confiscated my luggage and award. "Traces of nitrates or explosives"

If you dumped the dregs of a drink in a potted palm and touched the dirt it was planted in you'd get traces of nitrates on your hands.

73 If hot israeli babes can tan w a m16 around their taught bodies without accidentally killing innocent children, i think a moviegoer can do the same.

74 Thought I'd stop in and see how things were going. Not really on a roll here are we. Guess I'll turn Conagher back on and watch the end. Maybe grab some grub and toss in The Sacketts after that. When I get back I expect to step into a proper flame war. Even if it's not a flame war flame war.

75 When I get back I expect to step into a proper flame war. Shut up, bitch.

76 "Renewing the debate" If u already had the debate and it got nowhere, why the hell would u want to yammer on all over again?

77 Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 21, 2012 02:24 PM (ZOf1l) Sam baby, it is for your own good. That Constitution was written so very long ago, and since most of you citizens can no longer read or write at that level, it really is best if the beneficent ruling class interprets it for you, and regulates your behavior so that you can easily follow the herd and be a good little worker.

78 There's nothing weird about the TSA harassing a conservative. But what is weird is that they recognized Breitbart's name. Mouth-breathers...

79 FOX is almost as bad as the others. The 'medis' is in on the game. They have been repeating that crap about 'buckets' of bullets. Bet you a cheeseburger and a 32oz drink that's spent brass. And as for 'de-arming the boobytraps in the shooter's apartment, that's just the destruction of evidence. This thing smells very bad.

80

 

John Nolte's review of The Dark Knight Rises, over at Breitbart...is a must read.

 

So, apparently....the similarities between Barky and Bane-the-villain, are stark and glaring...unmistakable, even.

I guess we can expect to see the Left throw themselves on this movie like it is a live grenade....and condemn it, and tell people to not watch it.

81 ...why the hell would u want to yammer on all over again?

Short memories, shiny objects...

82 67

Dana says she gets stopped by TSA every damn time.

83 Obama, Bloomberg, Jeb Bush (hell, any Bush), and others like them are all statist pricks.  I've been told too many times that this or that isn't the hill to take a stand on.  Fuck'em.  After Roberts decision, I'm pretty much sure we are done; that one was too easy to strike down and it wasn't.  I've lost my faith.

84 Now that there's been another shooting spree....by a crazed gunman....
We will have to hear all the calls to take guns away from all the people who haven't done anything. Posted by: wheatie at July 21, 2012 02:10 PM

Holmes may have been crazed.  I'm leaning toward methodical and malevolent.  But, just in case he was crazed, because there are insane people walking around this country right now with access to guns, all Americans should be given anti-psychotic medications beginning asap.  For the children.

85 Flame war: (n) what happens when anderson cooper and ricky martin fight over who gets to adopt the last cambodian orphan.

86

My understanding of Colorado Law regarding concealed carry, is that the only places it is illegal to carry is courthouses and schools.  Private businesses can post a "No Handguns Allowed" sign, but all they can legally do is ask you to leave the premises (if they find you are carrying). If you refuse to leave the premises you can be charged with trespassing but not with a handgun offense. This comes up at places like hospitals. The emphasis on concealed carry in venues like movie theaters is therefore the 'concealed' part. (NOTE: I am a Colorado resident with CCW permit, not a lawyer)

87 I've been told too many times that this or that isn't the hill to take a stand on. Fuck'em


If I hear that phrase "this isn't the hill to die on" one more time..............

88

71 Screw concealed carry. Shall not b infringed is pretty clear. U think that guy wouldv tried to shoot up a theatr wher half the ppl n it were carrying rifles and pistolas? He never wouldv made it to get saved by the police.

 

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But this guy was rigged out in full body armor...and a helmet. 

It's like he was expecting to get fired on.

He had more protection on him than our guys wear in combat.

89 I've lost my faith.

With a govt that sells guns to narcos and waits for the bodies to pile up, having any faith would be crazy.

90 Brian Ross hasn't been fired?  Just further proof that the media is corrupt and willing to defend the biggest fucking hack since Dan Rather.

ABCNews:  Our ship is as tight as George Stephanopoulos' fecal orifice.

91 Renew the debate =  the ratchet only turns one direction

92 Funny. The people who say it isnt the bill to die on are usually on top of the hill, laughing all the way to the bank.

93 Posted by: wheatie at July 21, 2012 02:35 PM (MbB0O)


I'm an ex-cop, in a darkened theater with complete chaos and smoke, it will be nearly impossible for a person to get a clean shot on him with a handgun. The only thing you could possibly do is during said chaos, if your wits are about you, get into a position to where you could attack him from behind. Still might lose, but to me that would be the only way.

94 It's like he was expecting to get fired on.

Probably planned to go out in a blaze of glory in a big shoot out with the cops, then chickened out at the last moment.

95 Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 21, 2012 02:34 PM (ZOf1l) Defining "a hill to die on" would require a spine and a commitment to principles, not self. Both seem to be sadly lacking in nearly all politicians these days. I expect it of Democraps, but I used to have hope for Republicans. It is sort of like why no one ever asks a lib what the correct tax rate for the wealthy should be and what the minimum definition of wealth is? We never ask a Repub pol what is a fundamental core Constitutional issue that is worth defending no matter what the political cost might be!

96 Can someone explain to me were an unemployed student gets that kind of money to be better equipped than a soldier?

97 88 of course no firearms was prob posted on the theatr entrance. Plus for me its not about getting asked to leav if it was revealed i had a gun against their request, its that if i actually had to use it and was later sewed or charged after potentialy saving lives that gets bad. Im not rich and i dont want to do time, also carry permit issuers r less likrly to renew ur permit if u hav a history of carrying against request of biz owners n such. All the more reseaon for full actual 2nd amendment rights.

98 Posted by: Ma Bell at July 21, 2012 02:41 PM (uVuwp) EBT cards?

99 Just make us someRotmos med fläsk and meet us in Solvang. Posted by: Journolist at July 21, 2012 02:15 PM (WzLTm) Fünni, I'm roasting pork right now.

100 get into a position to where you could attack him from behind.

My tac pistol instructor had us drill two to the chest, if that gets no effect, start shooting for the hip area.  Its not covered by most armor and nobody stays standing with a shattered pelvis.  Nobody.

101 "The hill to die on" vs. growth of statism

The problem is 1) very few people even seem aware of the loss of liberty 2) the hills are usually more like speedbumps than mountains 3) the legislators are not interested in dying on ANY hill,  not matter how small.

Combined with the "ratchet effect" mentioned above and we get ever-growing statism.

102

A question.   Do CC permits demand a background check that would reveal a mental health problem?  If so, perhaps mandating  CC would flush out individuals who  are on the edge, so to speak.

 

Myself, I don't think Holmes was mentally ill.  Morally bankrupt is a more appropriate term.

103

@99 All the more reseaon for full actual 2nd amendment rights.

 

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I agree.  I was just pointing out the fallacy of the "No Handguns Allowed" signs. That is an unenforceable effort to create No Gun Zones.  Even the University of Colorado backed off its attempt to ban carrying on campus a year or so ago.

104 I cannot watch anymore coverage. The same few folks from the theater are hanging out around the scene being interviewed repeatedly.

The situation at the department will either be diffused, in which case there's nothing to watch, or will result in tragedy, in which case I don't want to witness it.

I deeply resent the circus atmosphere and will never, ever forget FNC running their affiliate interview with the father of the 6 year old girl who was killed.

He couldn't even face the camera and yet still she persisted.

Later, there was a shot of him standing in the hospital doorway, backlit, with his head in his hands. That shot told more than anything that bitch managed to get out of him in her "interview".

105 90, 95 Yes bad situation all around, but id rather hav a few rational carriers n the audience than none. The freak wouldv killed ppl, but prob not as many.

106 apartment

107 95 I'm an ex-cop, in a darkened theater with complete chaos and smoke, it will be nearly impossible for a person to get a clean shot on him with a handgun. The only thing you could possibly do is during said chaos, if your wits are about you, get into a position to where you could attack him from behind. Still might lose, but to me that would be the only way. That's kind of what I was thinking. This was one of those cases where audience members carrying might not have been able to stop it. Still, it's also certainly not a case for more gun control.

108

When a government suspends habeas corpus in federal statute thereby abrogating a fundamental ensrhinment of liberty as established under the constituton and bill of rights and as affirmed through legal precedent over hundreds of years, that's when eyes should have went wide open.  Not to mention the fact that federal statute makes imprisonment without trial,charges and or any such due process including rendetion of American citzens inside and outside of the country legal.  

When God is completely divorced from thought, then rights established as inalienable are supplanted by men who will always organize and amass power, which brings us back to the very reason we were established as a Constitutional Republic affirming inalienable rights under the forerunning document, the Declaration.

 

109 98 Can someone explain to me were an unemployed student gets that kind of money to be better equipped than a soldier? Posted by: Ma Bell at July 21, 2012 02:41 PM (uVuwp) Student loans. Also, "Hey, mom, I need $1800 for a new computer, since my old Mac Book Pro just died/was stolen." For sale on Craigslist: older Mac Book Pro $800

110 I think Michael Bloomberg would make a fine President if our beloved Barack Obama can't get that pesky 22nd Amendment repealed.

I do not personally care for New York City, or any big city for that manner. It is a nice place to visit for the culture, but I love my green hills of Vermont.

111

98 Can someone explain to me were an unemployed student gets that kind of money to be better equipped than a soldier?

 

Yeah....that's what a lot of people are wondering.

Myself included.

 

I'm no expert of the cost of all that gear and fire power.....but, it looks like it would take around $20K to get all that?

112 Posted by: Infidelswine at July 21, 2012 02:46 PM (eS2et)


Oh don't get me wrong I agree. If three or four of them have their shit together and started firing on him I think he would have shit his pants when those rounds start hitting his armor.

113 Can someone explain to me were an unemployed student gets that kind of money to be better equipped than a soldier?

Posted by: Ma Bell at July 21, 2012 02:41 PM (uVuwp)

 

 

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Why, where most kids his age are getting their money.  From mommy and daddy. 

114 Btw "sat morning thread" 12:31pm Wish my sat morning started at noon today.

115 Do CC permits demand a background check that would reveal a mental health problem?

That's a question on the BATF form 4473 when you buy any gun.

116 With all that armor, if he had been hit and knocked off-balance, he would have been slow in getting back up.

Whether someone could have penetrated his armor or not, he would have been distracted, and off-balance both physically and mentally.

117 Dana says she gets stopped by TSA every damn time.

If I was a TSA agent I might be tempted to pat Dana down too ...

118 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 21, 2012 02:52 PM (piMMO)


Yep, he would have shit his pants. I took a vest shot from a .22 from quite a distance (didn't even know who shot at us), and it still freaks you out and gives quite a bruise. Kind of like a very hard punch.

119

@104A question. Do CC permits demand a background check that would reveal a mental health problem? If so, perhaps mandating CC would flush out individuals who are on the edge, so to speak.

 

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In CO, CC permits are issued by the county sheriffs with a required training course, local sheriff's background check and an FBI  criminal  background check  and some 'fees'.  Unless your mental health problem had resulted in a criminal record I do not believe it would  be flagged.  It is hard to police somebody's  mental thoughts prior to the act, even if the  thoughts  are deranged.

120 It depends on what level of armor he had.  A level 2/2a typically worn by police is good against most handgun rounds.  A level 3 is good against weaker rifle rounds but is quite bulky and uncomfortable.

121 115,119 Agreed. Whats strange is that he had all that ammo, and a car but i thought i heard that he was caught by the police hiding behind his car. Didnt reload or go back n for more or try n drive off. Still not enuff dtails. Mayb he was reloading his clips or something. Idk just doesnt quite fit.

122 Pretty good essay at Director Blue / Doug Ross.

A fork in the road.
"History teaches us that the decline of a society and the demise of a government comes with the institutionalization of corruption and a wanton disregard for the written law. Such is our situation today, wherein the states have become puppets of an all-powerful federal government that confiscates more and more private property while exerting increasing control over every aspect of our lives."

123 Couldn't a shot to the face have been effective? I don't think a gas mask can stop a bullet

124 That's a question on the BATF form 4473 when you buy any gun.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 21, 2012 02:51 PM (4R/AX)

 

 

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I've bought several of my guns from gun shows and gun shops.  What's a BATF form 4473?  I live in Ok, and the only thing we have to do is  have the  seller  make a phone call for a national law enforcement check.  I've never had to write down anything except my signature on the reciept.  (I love OK) 

125 Unless your mental health problem had resulted in a criminal recordI do not believe it would be flagged

It doesn't need to be criminal.  Federal law prohibits if you've been adjudicated incompetent.  IOW, all it takes is a judge to send you to the loony bin.  The didn't need to be a crime per se involved.

The Brady Bill included many millions of dollars in assistance to states to get their mental health records tidied up to where they could be used to enforce this provision when NICS came online.  I don't think that money was ever spent though.

126 Posted by: Ma Bell at July 21, 2012 02:58 PM (uVuwp)


Read my 95. Very hard to do in that situation and environment.

127 125 Dont forget lack of religious and moral beliefs. We teach kids that they come from nothing, theres no ultimate punishment or reward for their behavior, they cant be spanked, they hav endless rights, theres no purpose n life, they shouldnt respect anything, and then wonder why they suddenly arent civilized? Of course the fringe wackos will do the unbelievable.

128 Whether someone could have penetrated his armor or not, he would have been distracted, and off-balance both physically and mentally.

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A pop in the chest plate with a .45 would have knocked him down.  Then a couple of rounds into the gas mask while he was getting up would have put him down for good.

129 I've bought several of my guns from gun shows and gun shops. What's a BATF form 4473?

Its something the buyer has to fill out for every gun purchase.  FFL's are required to keep the 4473's on hand for as long as they're in business.  If they go out of business, they're required to turn them over to AFT.

If you haven't been filling these out, your FFL has committed a major BATF record keeping infraction. 

130 God bless u crazy okkies.

131

Maybe someone did....take a few shots at the shooter.

 

We don't know yet, if they did or didn't.

The police aren't telling us everything they know.

They're not even releasing the Mug Shot of the shooter.

 

If I had been there....and had taken a few shots at him....I wouldn't be crowing about it.

I wouldn't want to get drug into the whole circus that's going on.

132

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Yeah, but do you have any idea how totally f**ked up you have to be to be ajudicated incompetent?  By all accounts Jared Loughner was frankly schizophrenic, but he hadn't been "adjudicated incompetent"  despite having been noted to have erratic behavior.   Like I said, it is hard to police thoughts before the act, or we'd all be in lock-up.

133 It pokes fun at Lawyers, Liars, Statism, Hypocrisy, Elitism....and a lot of the things that we conservatives rail about. Definitely worth a watch, if you're wanting to see something that makes you smile. Posted by: wheatie at July 21, 2012 01:42 PM (MbB0O) Yes, a very good film. Plus, Michael J. Fox gets run over.

134

 127....(I love OK)

 

Me too, Soona.

When our Open Carry law kicks in, in a few months....that's going to make some lefties in the media go apeshit.

135 If you haven't been filling these out, your FFL has committed a major BATF record keeping infraction.

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Maybe they do that after the fact.  'Cause I look really really sane.

136 Another thing I have not heard on any of the news reports-  Colorado is actually an open carry state.

137 Given the presence of various predators, only seems prudent to take measures to protect yourself. (Link in my nick)

138 The 21lb lobster is a monster. Releasing him is the right idea too. The big ones aren't that tender or tasty and they make way more spawn than their midget brothers.

139
A pop in the chest plate with a .45 would have knocked him down. Then a couple of rounds into the gas mask while he was getting up would have put him down for good.

Posted by: Soona at July 21, 2012 03:04 PM (+fKbS)

Bullshit.

Ever seen the videos of the North Hollywood shootout?

The heavily armored shooters walked around like zombies even after being shot with a 12 gauge shotgun.

140 Posted by: Infidelswine at July 21, 2012 02:50 PM (eS2et) In OregeonMuse's defense, that's 9:30 his time.

141

I still have questions about Holmes motivation.  For him to commit his massacre on the anniversary of Anders Behring Breivik's massacre, and for that fact to go virtually unmentioned and unnoticed yesterday, is passing strange, given the fevered attempt to immediately link Holmes actions to The Tea Party,Rush, etc.

It seems that everyone is relieved to just declare him a lone, comic-obsessed, game-playing wacko with no political axe to grind.  Indeed, to even speak of possible political motivations right now is universally considered to be crass.  Have they even gotten inside his booby-trapped apartment yet?  There seems to be nothing else on him other than the common habits and problems of American males his age.

Is this America's answer to Anders Behring Breivik?  Holmes mimics Breivik's tactics and weaponry, yet does it all without political statements or politically-motivated executions?  Is he nothing but a grisly cartoon version of Breivik?  Maybe theres more to the picture, which we'll find out in the coming days, and I'm not looking for some bludgeon with which to beat the other side should Holmes turn out to ba a mirror-image of Breivik, but I think there's a deeper anger at work in Holmes which has not surfaced in the news yet.

142

136....Yes, a very good film.

Plus, Michael J. Fox gets run over.

 

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2012 03:08 PM (bbW7j)

 

I loved the part about the town of 'Morelaw'....where nothing could get done, because of all the lawsuits and sue-happy lawyers.

....You couldn't even walk down the street without having to hire a lawyer.

 

[for those who don't want to read up...we're talking about the movie 'Interstate 60']

143 Later all,  I'm gonna step outside for a cigar and to watch the grass not get mowed.  We had a 5-point mule deer stroll into our back yard and lie down this morning. Gave me a good excuse to postpone lawn work.

144

When we talk about whether there was anyone in the theater with a CC,  I start thinking about  the large majority of people I know that have them.   Most of them still have a job, and if they don't they most likely have families.

 

This was a Thursday night (work night) showing.  I doubt many working people were there.  Just sayin'.

145 When laws become so numerous and repressive, an individual can't help but break a few.  You break the law, you can't have a CC.

146 >>>When laws become so numerous and repressive, an individual can't help but break a few. You break the law, you can't have a CC.

This does not stop someone from CC if one feels eminently threatened.

147 [for those who don't want to read up...we're talking about the movie 'Interstate 60']

Posted by: wheatie at July 21, 2012 03:25 PM (MbB0O)

Didn't Brian Ross, a commie media type, have a major role in the movie; "Interstate 69?"  Theme of the movie was the total domination of the news media by lying commies protecting their love for The Won while openly attacking decent Americans.

148 A jiggly, wiggly green green Navy.  It's only right.

149 That new spacesuit is ugly as sin, but RD, wingtips? Huh?

150 So how many of the journalists that are slamming ABC and Brian Ross about claiming the guy was a Tea Partier were guilty of doing the exact same thing when Loughner went shooting?

151 Posted by: Soona at July 21, 2012 03:30 PM (+fKbS) are you unfamiliar with the concept of a midnight opening?

152

Is it just my perspective, or is the world, and especially the US, more chaotic than  it's ever been since WWII?  Even the Vietnam era didn't seem to garner so much ill will between Americans  and  America  with their supposed allies.

 

 

Are these interesting times?

153 are you unfamiliar with the concept of a midnight opening?

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Yes I am.  That's why I wonder about who was actually there.  Mostly kids,  I'm presuming.  Like I said,  I can't imagine myself going to one of those on a work night.  That might explain why, perhaps, there wasn't anyone with a CC in the theater at that time.

154

Regarding the original topic of this thread- statism:

"In a country where the sole employer is the State, opposition means death by slow starvation. The old principle: who does not work shall not eat, has been replaced by a new one: who does not obey shall not eat."

-Leon Trotsky, 1937

155 @ 142 - Yeah but they popped methamphetamines before they walked into the bank. They weren't feeling fear or pain.

156 #142

The North Hollywood bank robbers weren't just armored. They were also loaded to the gills with drugs that took before all of their robberies. Helped them maintain a high level of stoicism where any normal person would have collapsed.

The same drugs made them a bit stupid and unable to react well when everything didn't go exactly to plan.

157 #155

Don't mistake information overload for activity. Not only do we have vastly more real-time info than just a few years ago (compare the difference in coverage of the two Iraq invasions in that regard: what was considered remarkable in the first was run of the mill by the second) we also have far more detail. Things that were formerly left unreported or clouded in euphemism are now regular fare.

Look at old newspapers. Most of us can recall when many of the stories of mayhem in a faraway land might take place days or even weeks before there was coverage here. Yesterday morning my mother was reading the LA Times and I noticed the biggest story of the days wasn't there on the front page. It happened a few scant hours too late for the print cycle. The first she'd heard of a story I'd been following since about 2 AM was when I told her about it, as she hadn't turned on the TV yet that day and barely uses her PC for anything that would have brought the story to her attention.

The world is pretty much as it has always been. In general the US has far lower violent crime right than in previous recent decades. But every little incident gets national coverage, ensuring we know every time somebody somewhere gets shot, even if it is actually a much rarer event than it once was.

158 @159 Pfft!
You got PWNED by the facts and now whine about "drugs".

"Drugs" can't prevent a person from being "knocked down"

I remember the North Hollywood shootout.
You are dumber than a Dumocrat if you think a theatre-goer with a handgun would have more effect on "the joker" than did police officers with heavy weapons have on the bank robbers.

159 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

160 What happened to the Saturday chess thread?!