October 11, 2012
— Maetenloch
Lemon Juice and the Dunning-Kruger Effect
The Dunning-Kruger effect has been mentioned quite a few times on the blog. The short version of it is that truly incompetent people are so incompetent that they're also unable to even perceive that they're incompetent i.e. they don't know what they don't know and think they're actually pretty good.
And the original paper actually references an example of it involving a robbery FAIL:
In 1995, McArthur Wheeler walked into two Pittsburgh banks and robbed them in broad daylight, with no visible attempt at disguise. He was arrested later that night, less than an hour after videotapes of him taken from surveillance cameras were broadcast on the 11 o'clock news. When police later showed him the surveillance tapes, Mr. Wheeler stared in incredulity. "But I wore the juice" he mumbled. Apparently, Mr. Wheeler was under the impression that rubbing one's face with lemon juice rendered it invisible to videotape cameras (Fuocco, 1996).
And in fact Mr. Wheeler had tested his lemon juice disguise with a Polaroid camera but was too stupid to realize that he had screwed up his test. Leading the authors to state their main point:
Perhaps more controversial is the third point, the one that is the focus of this article. We argue that when people are incompetent in the strategies they adopt to achieve success and satisfaction, they suffer a dual burden: Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it. Instead, like Mr. Wheeler, they are left with the mistaken impression that they are doing just fine. As Miller (1993) perceptively observed in the quote that opens this article, and as Charles Darwin (1871) sagely noted over a century ago, "ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" (p. 3).
Joe Biden's debate performance (and entire career) is proof that those afflicted with DK syndrome can still lead happy fulfilling lives and even hope to become president one day.
Where Brian Palmer of the amateur webzine Slate wonders when people started worshiping the Constitution.
The founding fathers once argued bitterly over the Constitution. When did questioning it become political heresy?
Sometime after World War II. Constitution worship has always been practiced by the majority in American politics, but it used to exist alongside a significant strain of skepticism. Abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison referred to the Constitution as "a covenant with death and an agreement with hell" and publicly burned a copy. Future president Woodrow Wilson praised parliamentary systems in an 1885 book and argued that the U.S. Constitution handed too much power to the executive. In the early 20th century, prominent politicians suggested a series of constitutional amendments. Victor Berger, a Socialist member of the House of Representatives from Wisconsin, proposed repealing the presidential veto power and abolishing the Senate.
Note that all the constitutional skeptics including FDR were progressives who were mostly unhappy that the Constitution didn't let them remake society as they saw fit. Cause it is like almost 120 years old or something.
Enough that he was willing in 2007 to vote against a no-brainer waiver and then lie about it in every possible way to a black audience in order to stir up racial resentment:
Cynically adopting the black dialect of the American South, a dialect utterly alien to him, he demagogues against Washington's supposedly selective waivers of the Stafford Act - legislation that requires communities hit by disasters to match 10 percent of federal aid. They waived it for 9/11, he tells the crowd, and they waived it when Hurricane Andrew hit Florida: Those communities were allowed to keep their one dollar for every ten federal dollars. But when he comes to Hurricane Katrina, which devastated the largely African-American population of New Orleans, Obama implies that Congress refused the waiver: "What's happenin' down in New O'leans? Where's yo' dollar? Where's yo' Stafford Act money? . . . Tells me that somehow the people down in New O'leans they don't care about as much."
In fact, ten days before Obama gave that speech, Congress had waived the Stafford Act requirement for Katrina. He was well aware of that fact, too. After all, he was one of only 14 senators to vote against the waiver. It was part of a bill to fund the war effort in Iraq. That is, to pander to his Bush-deranged, anti-war base, Obama decided that squeezing New O'leans was a price worth paying. Then, he lied about what happened in order to foment racial resentment - an atmosphere that he calculated would help his presidential bid.
Likely Voters Also Likely Liars
According to Pew a lot of the people who swear they 'always' or 'near always' vote aren't even registered:
Those listed as registered in the voter database were overwhelmingly likely to report themselves as registered in the survey (93%). However, 60% of those for whom there was no record of active registration in the database said they are registered to vote.Respondents to the survey were not asked if they voted in the 2010 congressional elections, but were asked how frequently they voted.
Among those flagged in the database as having voted in 2010, 94% said in the survey that they always or nearly always voted.
Those for whom the database shows no record of a 2010 vote were less likely to say they always or nearly always vote (65%), including only 41% who say they always vote.
So take even the likely voter polls with more than a grain of salt.
Walter Williams: A Modest Proposal to Save California
Given the widespread contempt for personal liberty and constitutional values, there might be a way for California politicians to solve their fiscal mess. They can simply stop wealthy people from leaving the state or, alternatively, like some Third World nations, set limits on the amount of assets a resident can take out of the state. This would surely be within their jurisdiction and would not raise any constitutional issues, because it would serve a compelling state purpose. In other words, if California were to set up border controls to stop people, as East Germans did at Checkpoint Charlie, before they cross the state line, such action would be protected by the 10th Amendment.
Well they did have checkpoints to keep the Okies out in the 30's and checkpoints work both ways.
He was a veteran of three wars and best known for his actions in the Battle of Ia Drang in 1965.
Plumley was ably portrayed by actor Sam Elliott in the 2003 movie We Were Soldiers.He made all four combat jumps of the 82nd Airborne during WWII: Sicily, Salerno, Normandy and Holland--plus one combat jump in Korean War with 187th Regimental Combat Team.
Plumley was one of 270 soldiers who earned the Combat Infantry Badge with 2 stars for service in WWII, Korea and Vietnam.
His wife of 64 years, Miss Deurice, died this spring. The sergeant major said at the time that he would not be long in joining her.
He died yesterday at the age of 92.
15 Canadian Cars You Can't Buy in the US
Because we're not good enough for them plus they're all metric and shit.
So What Does A Pr0n Script Look Like?
Well porn actress Kayden Kross tweeted this photo of a script that she was studying. At least the writer had a sense of humor although character development and the correct use of the apostrophe were clearly not one of his strengths.
Yahoo group. That is all.
And my Twitter spew.
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2012 06:37 PM (0nogT)
Plus you could catch him wheezing/laughing/gurgling whatever when he was off camera.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 11, 2012 06:37 PM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 11, 2012 06:37 PM (OiC7K)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 06:37 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: HtP at October 11, 2012 06:37 PM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Adam at October 11, 2012 06:38 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 11, 2012 06:38 PM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 06:39 PM (NHR2W)
The rest of the MFM will give the debate to Biden hands down and will say that the smirking showed his likeability.
Posted by: HtP at October 11, 2012 06:39 PM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Palandine at October 11, 2012 06:39 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: General Woundwort at October 11, 2012 06:39 PM (DWgdc)
Posted by: phoenixgirl what did huma abedin know? team dagny at October 11, 2012 06:40 PM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2012 06:40 PM (ICDox)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at October 11, 2012 06:40 PM (TJ/PF)
Posted by: steevy at October 11, 2012 06:40 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 06:40 PM (NHR2W)
Posted by: steevy at October 11, 2012 06:41 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: phoenixgirl what did huma abedin know? team dagny at October 11, 2012 06:41 PM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Golan Globus at October 11, 2012 06:42 PM (/1U3u)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 06:42 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 06:42 PM (NHR2W)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 11, 2012 06:43 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Golan Globus at October 11, 2012 06:43 PM (/1U3u)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 06:43 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Golan Globus at October 11, 2012 10:42 PM (/1U3u)
That's because they are all smirking, obnoxious dipshits. Joe's just like them.
Posted by: huerfano at October 11, 2012 06:43 PM (bAGA/)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 06:43 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: Alex at October 11, 2012 06:44 PM (HwgHt)
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 11, 2012 06:44 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 06:44 PM (r2PLg)
BTW, I would not have one of those "Canadian" cars as a gift. Sheesh, mostly more GM ugly crapitola.
Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 11, 2012 06:44 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 11, 2012 06:44 PM (3jgI1)
Posted by: Golan Globus at October 11, 2012 06:45 PM (/1U3u)
[POLL RESULTS] Who do you think won the VP Debate? Paul Ryan: 56%, Joe Biden: 36%, Neither: 8%.
Posted by: lowandslow at October 11, 2012 06:45 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 11, 2012 06:45 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 06:45 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: Adam at October 11, 2012 10:38 PM (/YJYi)
Well I've been a Biden hater since 1988 and it's only in the last few years that he's become more of a blowhardy doofus than a dick.
Posted by: Mætenloch at October 11, 2012 06:46 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: sandy burger at October 11, 2012 06:46 PM (85eXt)
Posted by: Tuna at October 11, 2012 06:46 PM (M/TDA)
Posted by: cthulhu at October 11, 2012 06:47 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 06:47 PM (NHR2W)
Posted by: Golan Globus at October 11, 2012 06:47 PM (/1U3u)
(a) How to lose when you don't act strong.
(b) How to lose when you do attempt that.
On the next debate, he has a binary choice.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 11, 2012 06:47 PM (Qxe/p)
I tend to doubt that states could do this.
Given the expansion of the "commerce clause" power of the federal government and the fact that the Constitution says that the federal government controls interstate commerce (i.e. transfer of assets is a commerce activity), I doubt that any federal court would give them the time of day.
Posted by: Gordon Gekko at October 11, 2012 06:47 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 06:47 PM (DoZD+)
Soledad also thinks East German gymnastics judges are brilliant and fair
Posted by: kbdabear at October 11, 2012 06:47 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: UGAdawg at October 11, 2012 06:48 PM (WYOrt)
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 11, 2012 06:48 PM (3jgI1)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 06:48 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at October 11, 2012 06:49 PM (OjQYm)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at October 11, 2012 06:49 PM (PH+2B)
This debate was two against one for sure but I've never seen such dismissal of the other sides veiws as tonight.
Biden was completely inappropriate he showed the utter disdain this administration has for R&R
If independents are drawn by this shit we have huge problems
Posted by: Finn McCool at October 11, 2012 06:49 PM (R/8dI)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at October 11, 2012 06:49 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: sandy burger at October 11, 2012 06:49 PM (85eXt)
Posted by: Tuna at October 11, 2012 06:49 PM (M/TDA)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 06:49 PM (NHR2W)
Posted by: Mætenloch at October 11, 2012 10:46 PM (pAlYe)
Well I wasn't born until 1989, so I didn't really know who Biden was until 2008. I also actually had a full time job then so I didn't get to pay as much attention as I do now. I read something on LI a couple weeks ago about how he has lied about the circumstances of his wife's death in speeches he's given. How disgusting do you have to be to use something like that for attempted political gain?
Posted by: Adam at October 11, 2012 06:50 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Redd at October 11, 2012 06:50 PM (guxHP)
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 11, 2012 06:50 PM (3jgI1)
Posted by: Jmel at October 11, 2012 06:50 PM (M70+n)
Posted by: tcn at October 11, 2012 06:50 PM (VLG62)
I went to a small Italian place for lunch today where I'm a regular and on the TV news was a report about the debate. The first thing the 60ish grandma who runs the place said (without knowing my political preferences and without me saying anything or laughing or the like) while chuckling was, "That Joe Biden's got a big mouth. He's always saying something stupid!"
Ha-ha!
Posted by: andycanuck at October 11, 2012 06:50 PM (vDl/w)
Posted by: and irresolute at October 11, 2012 06:51 PM (JvklE)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 06:51 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 06:51 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 11, 2012 06:51 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 11, 2012 06:51 PM (2jQGY)
Posted by: Dang© at October 11, 2012 06:51 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: UGAdawg at October 11, 2012 10:48 PM (WYOrt)
As an officially unaffiliated (though highly conservative) voter, I take issue with that.
I honestly thought she gave Biden multiple chances to blow it.
Her efforts were successful. She then moved on (probably to prevent further damage).
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 11, 2012 06:52 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 11, 2012 06:52 PM (GZitp)
Ragestroke. It's what happens when the RageOMatic breaks.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at October 11, 2012 06:52 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 11, 2012 06:52 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2012 06:52 PM (ICDox)
Posted by: Up with people! at October 11, 2012 06:52 PM (kzFo5)
Posted by: Koumei Nakamura at October 11, 2012 06:52 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at October 11, 2012 06:53 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 11, 2012 06:53 PM (JDIKC)
Posted by: sandy burger at October 11, 2012 06:53 PM (85eXt)
What, you didn't see that coming? The franchise had become a total soap opera by then.
Posted by: Torch-Wielding Villager at October 11, 2012 06:53 PM (sTS/8)
I'm having a hard time figuring out it's from my life long hate of all things Dem/Lib or simply b/c Biden was an ass.
Posted by: GW McLintock at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (KmBWA)
Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Adam at October 11, 2012 10:50 PM (/YJYi)
Well Biden's MO through most of his career has been to just bullshit and tell any story to make his point. He know that the press will never call him on it and he can always claim to have 'misspoken' if it does come out in public.
Posted by: Mætenloch at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: derit at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (I88Jc)
Posted by: jas at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (KmJYu)
From a certain point of view.
Posted by: Bomber at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (84w+B)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: phoenixgirl what did huma abedin know? team dagny at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (NHR2W)
We (the moron hoard) already know that Biden is an asshole. I wonder what "independents" think.
Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (he2LC)
So it begins... Posted by: cajun carrot
HA fucking ha ha ha! Fuck Greece. Sick of them. They can go starve.
Posted by: Dang© at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (R18D0)
And Joe's abortion answer? ie I believe that life begins at conception but I won't go to the logical conclusion that to kill them is therefore MURDER? so its not my place to tell people not to murder other people....
Wow....
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: MrCaniac at October 11, 2012 06:54 PM (Zd/NW)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 06:55 PM (bxiXv)
Reince says on CNN that Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times.
Retweeted by The Daily Caller
No count on how many times Skeletor interrupted him
Posted by: kbdabear at October 11, 2012 06:55 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: General Zod at October 11, 2012 06:55 PM (2+bRt)
AMEN.
Posted by: Torch-Wielding Villager at October 11, 2012 06:55 PM (sTS/8)
Posted by: tcn at October 11, 2012 06:55 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: USA at October 11, 2012 06:55 PM (RIg+t)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at October 11, 2012 06:55 PM (4ramR)
Count, 1 championship, two championship, HA HA HA! I love math!Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 06:56 PM (NHR2W)
Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 11, 2012 10:45 PM (kXoT0)
I concur. This did not look like an Administration in control.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 11, 2012 06:56 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at October 11, 2012 06:56 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: and irresolute at October 11, 2012 06:56 PM (JvklE)
Oh no. Oh no no no no no no no. Please get off my lawn before you reveal you saw Empire fifth in the series not second.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at October 11, 2012 06:56 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 11, 2012 06:56 PM (JDIKC)
Posted by: fluffy at October 11, 2012 06:56 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 11, 2012 06:56 PM (Br3eE)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 06:57 PM (NHR2W)
“@getclued: Chris Wallace - since 1960 he's never seen anyone in a debate so openly disrespectful as JBiden. @foxnews” #VPDebate
Retweeted by dagny
Posted by: kbdabear at October 11, 2012 06:57 PM (wwsoB)
Remy M. @GoRemy
CNN says debate was a draw. But if Joe Biden goes 90+ min. without speaking in an Indian accent about 7-11 employees that's gotta be a win.
Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at October 11, 2012 06:57 PM (626t3)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at October 11, 2012 06:57 PM (nZvGM)
C'mon, Chuck! Who the hell would listen to the debate on radio? Maybe 4 who people.
Posted by: HtP at October 11, 2012 06:57 PM (jx2j9)
Whoa, whoa, whoa -- don't you know that just makes you a big ol' concern troll?
Posted by: Torch-Wielding Villager at October 11, 2012 06:57 PM (sTS/8)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2012 06:57 PM (/i3Yt)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 06:57 PM (r2PLg)
Well, since the trolls reliably informed me that I'm a pussy fag with no spine, how could I possibly be upset?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at October 11, 2012 06:57 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: A. at October 11, 2012 06:57 PM (UQcYU)
Posted by: Dang© at October 11, 2012 06:58 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 06:58 PM (bxiXv)
The transcript says a draw. On radio, Biden was forceful and on the attack. Win Biden. On television, Biden's disrespect undid his arguments and it remains a draw.
-The Kraut
Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 11, 2012 06:58 PM (lDWQr)
Posted by: MrCaniac at October 11, 2012 06:58 PM (Zd/NW)
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 11, 2012 06:58 PM (3jgI1)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2012 06:58 PM (Z9EHQ)
These gray hairs are making me feel old.
Got any grey hairs on your chest? I got grey chest hairs. Punk.
Posted by: fluffy at October 11, 2012 06:59 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter [/i][/b][/u] at October 11, 2012 06:59 PM (CA2NO)
>>These gray hairs are making me feel old.
The ones on my sack did it for me.
But then they grafted them onto my head and Viola!
I'm young again.
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 11, 2012 06:59 PM (ICDox)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 06:59 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 11, 2012 06:59 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Adam at October 11, 2012 06:59 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: CAC at October 11, 2012 06:59 PM (j8xN0)
AtC, as an FYI I offered up your stompy boots as the main event to my
stompy boot preview on the troll in the previous thread. I hope you
don't mind.
Well, since the trolls reliably informed me that I'm a pussy fag with no spine, how could I possibly be upset?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at October 11, 2012 10:57 PM (Gk3SS)
*Hands AtC a $1000 gift certificate for stompy boots*
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at October 11, 2012 06:59 PM (4ramR)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter [/i][/b][/u] at October 11, 2012 07:00 PM (CA2NO)
Posted by: USA at October 11, 2012 07:00 PM (RIg+t)
Posted by: tcn at October 11, 2012 07:00 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: A Mindful Webworker at October 11, 2012 07:00 PM (lBpVP)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 07:00 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: California red at October 11, 2012 07:00 PM (DXTKe)
Posted by: Bomber at October 11, 2012 07:00 PM (84w+B)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at October 11, 2012 07:01 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at October 11, 2012 07:01 PM (nUH8H)
This is not the guy I want next in line for the Presidency, nor the guy I even want representing us at foreign leaders' funerals. Wait 'til the Queen of England dies and Biden flies over to give a celebrity roast.
Posted by: boulder hobo at October 11, 2012 07:01 PM (QTHTd)
Biden came off as a condescending prick. My guess is that this will not play well with those undecided or in the middle. And it does not change the trajectory of the campaign.
Posted by: tofer732 at October 11, 2012 07:01 PM (m5Iwq)
Posted by: derit at October 11, 2012 07:02 PM (I88Jc)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 07:02 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: CAC at October 11, 2012 07:02 PM (j8xN0)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 07:02 PM (NHR2W)
10-11-12.
That's just cool and shit
My husband's cousin had a baby girl this morning, born on 10-11-12. Of course, my family is weird that way. I have one nephew born on December 7, and one niece born on September 11. We call them the disaster kids. Lovingly, of course.
Posted by: tcn at October 11, 2012 07:02 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 11, 2012 07:02 PM (SzAZ7)
Before, Biden was famous as the guy who consistently says stupid shit.
Now he will be famous as the asshole who consistently says stupid shit.
Posted by: HtP at October 11, 2012 07:02 PM (jx2j9)
Please. I saw the original Star Wars (Han shot first, BTW) in the theater in 1977. Twice. All the sequels (as sequels are wont to do) -- including "Empire" -- sucked, as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: Torch-Wielding Villager at October 11, 2012 07:03 PM (sTS/8)
Seriously, the Kostards and DUmmies are probably jerking each other off like it's 2008. But from the measured reactions of the swing voters, Biden came across poorly. Ryan didn't "crush" Biden like we thought, style-wise, but on what substance he was able to get out there he did fine.
I do think this will allow the MFM to start fucking with the poll numbers again.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 11, 2012 07:03 PM (yJYwC)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 07:03 PM (DoZD+)
Let's settle this nonsense with polling?
Q - Did Joe Biden disrespect the disgraceful and evil Republican Paul Ryan who seeks to de-fund Big Bird and abortion?
Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 11, 2012 07:03 PM (lDWQr)
Posted by: Dang© at October 11, 2012 07:03 PM (R18D0)
"The "I am your father" scene was the single most awesome bombshell dropped on an audience in movie history."
I still recall my 10 year old brain trying to wrap itself around that. Talk about confused.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at October 11, 2012 07:03 PM (TJ/PF)
That's just cool and shit.
Okay, back to ripping Biden.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at October 11, 2012 11:00 PM (CA2NO)
Seriously, thank you for posting that. I just remembered that my great grandmother passed 11 years ago today and I was able to call my grandmother before she went to bed.
Posted by: Adam at October 11, 2012 07:04 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 07:04 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Honey Badger @robfit at October 11, 2012 07:04 PM (U7Ivf)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 11, 2012 07:04 PM (Br3eE)
Women in the CNN focus group also down on Biden's performance -- "Very disappointed he acted that way."
Retweeted by Erick Erickson
Political Math @politicalmath
RT @streeterryan: CNN undecided voter: Ryan tried educating us before Biden "bumbled in." #vpdebate
Retweeted by momma
proteinwisdom @proteinwisdom
Final thoughts: no one will remember substance. The lasting impression will be of sneering Biden interrupting and Raddatz losing control.
Monica Crowley @MonicaCrowley
CNN focus groups saying @PaulRyanVP won on "better solutions for the future."
Retweeted by Ben
Posted by: kbdabear at October 11, 2012 07:05 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 07:05 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at October 11, 2012 07:05 PM (5J54Q)
Biden is right, just because Iran has a nuclear bomb, it is no threat. I mean really, how would they get it to the target?
Those Iranian idiots would never think of using a Gulfstream Jet or even a large passenger airliner. Or a Cargo Container on a ship. Or a trawler or a speed boat. Or an all wheel drive truck through a desert. They are too dumb, a simple delivery system is too complex for someone that has built a nuclear weapon.
Are the democrats that briefed Biden that FUCKING STUPID???
Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 11, 2012 07:05 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: 56 and loving RR at October 11, 2012 07:05 PM (9zugO)
Luntz's focus group came from Clancy's Bar and Grill, a former house of ill repute and gin mill.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 11, 2012 07:05 PM (lDWQr)
Posted by: Fritz at October 11, 2012 07:06 PM (vm7ot)
Posted by: Torch-Wielding Villager
HA! I see your "twice" and I raise you 8 more times! Yeah, I'm that old, too.
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at October 11, 2012 07:06 PM (d6TfZ)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at October 11, 2012 07:06 PM (4ramR)
Maybe the Kraut can tell us who won the debate on Zoetrope?
Posted by: andycanuck at October 11, 2012 07:06 PM (vDl/w)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 07:06 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: go P90X at October 11, 2012 07:07 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at October 11, 2012 07:07 PM (5J54Q)
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 11, 2012 07:07 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Up with people! at October 11, 2012 07:07 PM (kzFo5)
You really think Biden pulled it off?
Biden was a consumate twat-waffle with a side of dipshit.
Fuck you and your managed shit.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 11, 2012 07:07 PM (bCaR9)
Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at October 11, 2012 07:07 PM (QupBk)
Throw Jeremiah Wright or your typical white grandmother under the bus? No major consequences.
Throw the Intelligence community under the bus? Obama is about to find out that past performance does not guarantee future results.
Oh, and Stefanie Cutter gives miserable lying sacks of shit a bad name.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at October 11, 2012 07:07 PM (tpi5T)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 11, 2012 07:07 PM (Br3eE)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 11, 2012 07:07 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 07:07 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 07:08 PM (NHR2W)
Posted by: Mr. Mojo Risin at October 11, 2012 07:08 PM (xXhWA)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at October 11, 2012 07:08 PM (4ramR)
The car thing is a crappy list. Most of those are either cars not sold in Canada anymore, or exactly the same car as something sold in the US, only with a different name.
If they were going for historical items, they also missed out on the best car sold in Canada which wasn't sold in the US: fifty or so 2nd-generation M3s with higher-power Euro-spec engines.
Posted by: Waterhouse at October 11, 2012 07:08 PM (vgtXQ)
Posted by: torquewrench at October 11, 2012 07:08 PM (ymG7s)
What??? No one, I mean no one, I know who saw Empire Strikes Back in its original run in the theater predicted that Darth Vader was Luke's father. And jeebus, the cliffhanger at the end of that movie was flipping excruiating.
I think you guys are doing one of those "cause I know now what I know, then I knew it then" type of thinking processes.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at October 11, 2012 07:08 PM (RZ8pf)
Luntz' group sounds like they are going for Uncle Joe.
I guess being an insulting cocksucker doesn't bother the undecided voter, if you actually believe any of these people are undecided that is.
Posted by: Finn McCool at October 11, 2012 07:08 PM (R/8dI)
But this time, the GOP side is the side that looked better on TV . . .
Posted by: boulder hobo at October 11, 2012 07:08 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: USA at October 11, 2012 07:08 PM (RIg+t)
And I mean either side.
Posted by: Bomber at October 11, 2012 07:09 PM (84w+B)
Well played, sir.
Posted by: Dang© at October 11, 2012 07:09 PM (R18D0)
I do think this will allow the MFM to start fucking with the poll numbers again.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 11, 2012 11:03 PM (yJYwC)
This +10000
Posted by: Burn the Witch at October 11, 2012 07:09 PM (TJ/PF)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at October 11, 2012 07:09 PM (nZvGM)
Last time I looked, we need REVENUE, not more taxes.
Posted by: navybrat at October 11, 2012 07:09 PM (DWX1w)
"The only difference between Nikita Khrushchev and Joe Biden is, Nikita had a shoe."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2012 07:09 PM (HC7j7)
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 11, 2012 07:09 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 07:09 PM (r2PLg)
Biden's vast experience is so impressive.
Luntz got punked with this group I count one guy that may be a R & R supporter the rest are dems all the way.
Posted by: Finn McCool at October 11, 2012 07:10 PM (R/8dI)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at October 11, 2012 07:11 PM (4ramR)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 07:12 PM (r2PLg)
If monopolizing the time is what wins debates then Biden won.
If behaving like a serious adult is what wins debates then Ryan won.
Posted by: davidt at October 11, 2012 07:12 PM (8/bPb)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle"
I never saw that coming. Seriously. And I was pissing myself, knowing that Han Solo might be alive or dead? The world's greatest soap opera was played out for a bunch of kids. So f*cking cool.
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at October 11, 2012 07:12 PM (d6TfZ)
Posted by: pat at October 11, 2012 07:12 PM (UFxap)
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 11, 2012 07:12 PM (IoNBC)
Proverbs 26:12
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2012 07:13 PM (HC7j7)
Posted by: Zharkov at October 11, 2012 07:13 PM (P5i/s)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 07:13 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Countrysquire at October 11, 2012 07:13 PM (GNaYV)
"No one"? Enough with the absolutes, already. Personally, while I may not have "predicted" it, let's just say I wasn't surprised by it in the least.
Posted by: Torch-Wielding Villager at October 11, 2012 07:13 PM (sTS/8)
Posted by: tofer732 at October 11, 2012 07:14 PM (m5Iwq)
Posted by: pat at October 11, 2012 07:14 PM (UFxap)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at October 11, 2012 07:14 PM (yh0zB)
Cathartic release....I'm torqued that I reached my twitter limit, which I didn't know there was such a thing....boo...hisss.
From the polls so far, it looks like the base of the libs were happy but slow Joe didn't win any new converts outside of existing kool-aid drinkers.
Posted by: adagioforstrings at October 11, 2012 07:14 PM (5EGoY)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at October 11, 2012 07:14 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Texas Ranger at October 11, 2012 07:14 PM (IvvrO)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 07:15 PM (NHR2W)
Posted by: tofer732 at October 11, 2012 07:15 PM (m5Iwq)
Ohhhhh thank you! Let's see. I think I shall get these.
http://bit.ly/TaEGBf
And these.
http://bit.ly/Pr3dXd
And all of this.
http://bit.ly/R2htCJ
Here. In the spirit of bipartisanship, let me make it Rain.
http://bit.ly/O9yKsz
http://youtu.be/mOv9DIEWags
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at October 11, 2012 07:15 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: joncelli at October 11, 2012 07:16 PM (CWlPF)
Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at October 11, 2012 07:16 PM (QupBk)
Well I think Biden was too full of himself and then he turned it off for the religious angle.
Ryan landed well, given how stacked the deck was at the beginning.
Posted by: sTevo at October 11, 2012 07:16 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Dang© at October 11, 2012 10:58 PM
Yes. They seemed to want to make up for the choomer effect.
Posted by: otho at October 11, 2012 07:16 PM (yBF/9)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 07:16 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: gonzotx at October 11, 2012 07:16 PM (4CQjf)
The self-beclownment of the media in this election will be its most historically significant outcome. MSM delenda est.
Posted by: sherlock at October 11, 2012 07:16 PM (f29LO)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2012 07:16 PM (HC7j7)
Posted by: Baldy at October 11, 2012 07:16 PM (opS9C)
Luntz people - how the fuck can any of you be on the fence? What the goddam fuck? I hate being this inarticulate and crude but holy shit.
---------------
There is a reason Obama is in office. These people are many and they are growing their numbers by the day. If not this election, eventually, the stupid will overtake us and it will all be over.
Posted by: Rich at October 11, 2012 07:17 PM (pnHKr)
original run in the theater predicted that Darth Vader was Luke's
father.
___
Yep, good thing you guys don't speak Dutch.
Posted by: Some Dark Father at October 11, 2012 07:17 PM (AUeaU)
I can be absolute all I want. And I have stompy boots that are at least as equally stompy as AtC's if not more so.
What are you George Fucking Lucas or something?
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at October 11, 2012 07:17 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 07:17 PM (bxiXv)
"I guess being an insulting cocksucker doesn't bother the undecided voter, if you actually believe any of these people are undecided that is."
Which I don't.
Posted by: adagioforstrings at October 11, 2012 07:17 PM (5EGoY)
The look Ryan gave him was priceless.
Posted by: 56 and loving RR at October 11, 2012 07:18 PM (9zugO)
---
The stupid, unself-awareness of that quote physically hurts me.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2012 07:18 PM (AUeaU)
Biden does not think Iran having a bomb is a big deal. They do not have a weapon to put it in.
What about a Gulf Stream Jet? How far is it from the landing approach of the Amman Jordan Airport to Haifa or Tel Aviv? 5 minutes? Less?
Amman, we have a problem, aborting our landing...
Why are they heading East?
They are below our radar.
Unidentified aircraft, Identify yourself! You are in Israeli airspace!
Unidentified aircraft, reverse your course, you are in Israeli airspace!
Scramble the jets!
I see an unidentified aircraft, Can I shoot?
I see an unidentified aircraft, Can I shoot?
Can I shoot?
Can I (Blinding Flash)....
What happened?
OMG!!
Look at Tel Aviv!
Is that a mushroom cloud?
But Iran does not have a delivery system. Al Qaeda did not have one on 9/11/2001 either.
Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 11, 2012 07:18 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 11, 2012 07:18 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 07:19 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: DC in Towson at October 11, 2012 07:19 PM (CJwi5)
Posted by: Truman North at October 11, 2012 11:17 PM (I2LwF)
They were just handing out bourbon right and left! My aides told me not to, but that's like telling a horny dog not to hump a stranger's leg!
Posted by: Slow Joe at October 11, 2012 07:19 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Rich at October 11, 2012 11:17 PM (pnHKr)
That's the plan.
Posted by: Public Schools at October 11, 2012 07:19 PM (LZ7QO)
biden smiling and laughing when ryan was talking about security failures in libya should go over well
Posted by: kj at October 11, 2012 07:19 PM (qEts0)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2012 07:20 PM (HC7j7)
Posted by: Bomber at October 11, 2012 11:17 PM (84w+B)
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at October 11, 2012 07:20 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Truman North at October 11, 2012 07:20 PM (I2LwF)
Me: Hello?
Dad: So, is Biden an asshole, or what?
Posted by: Country Singer at October 11, 2012 07:20 PM (+r4NB)
Posted by: Honey Badger @robfit at October 11, 2012 07:20 PM (U7Ivf)
Posted by: Truman North at October 11, 2012 07:20 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: R. Waher at October 11, 2012 07:21 PM (4FP+P)
http://tinyurl.com/8pnr3p6
I wouldnÂ’t judge the man who balks when his fiance demands a guarantee for two weeklong trips to Paris every year and diamond jewelry on birthdays, or the woman who balks when her fiance demands a guarantee for sex twice a week, at least not without without more details.
How much has modern liberalism farked up male/female relations that this now a point of argument?
Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2012 07:21 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: pat at October 11, 2012 07:21 PM (UFxap)
Seen lots of people I would love to force-choke the shit out of.
And that's just tonight at the debate.
Posted by: Bomber at October 11, 2012 07:21 PM (84w+B)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 07:21 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at October 11, 2012 07:22 PM (PNDql)
Posted by: Countrysquire at October 11, 2012 07:22 PM (GNaYV)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 11, 2012 07:22 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Nash Rambler at October 11, 2012 07:22 PM (LZ7QO)
Posted by: Bomber at October 11, 2012 11:17 PM (84w+B)
And the Sith are strong on the ONT.
Posted by: Mætenloch at October 11, 2012 07:22 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 07:22 PM (bxiXv)
And I've got an idea we can all get behind -- debate moderators with tasers, and those time-clocks they use in speed chess.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 11, 2012 07:22 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Truman North at October 11, 2012 07:23 PM (I2LwF)
Hmm, I didn't think Biden came across as raising his voice on the radio, as a matter of fact a couple of times it seemed like his voice got softer as he went along, like he was falling asleep as he was giving his answer.
So on tv was he swigging bourbon as he gave his answers cause he really sounded like he was taking big swigs of bourbon between words.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at October 11, 2012 07:23 PM (RZ8pf)
And that's just tonight at the debate.
Posted by: Bomber at October 11, 2012 11:21 PM (84w+B)
Yup. I only watched a little bit of it and thought "so this is how it's gonna go" and then turned it to something else.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at October 11, 2012 07:23 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2012 07:23 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 07:23 PM (NHR2W)
Posted by: grumpy momma bear at October 11, 2012 07:23 PM (ibQqc)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at October 11, 2012 07:24 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Red Shirt at October 11, 2012 07:24 PM (FIDMq)
Eva Longoria tweets that Martha Raddatz is the best moderator ever!!!
Remember, jackwagons, when you think you aren't aiding and abetting those bastards, every time you turn the channel to watch them, you are contributing to their status and, thus, the size of their soapbox.
That bitch could be butt-ass-naked except for spurs and a cowboy hat, and be straddling Jon Hamm, and I still wouldn't flip to the channel to watch.
Not one red cent. Not one channel click.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 11, 2012 07:24 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 07:24 PM (NHR2W)
His hair plugs were screwed in too tight?
Martha denied him the senior discount?
The chair didn't spin as freely as the one he spends hours in each day?
Posted by: derit at October 11, 2012 07:24 PM (I88Jc)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 07:24 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Nash Rambler at October 11, 2012 11:22 PM (LZ7QO)
Wizards First Rule. People will believe a lie over the truth because they are afraid it is true or because they want it to be true.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at October 11, 2012 07:25 PM (yh0zB)
If you mean, taser debate moderators, I could really get behind that idea.
Posted by: Bomber at October 11, 2012 07:25 PM (84w+B)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at October 11, 2012 07:25 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 07:26 PM (NHR2W)
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 11, 2012 07:26 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 07:26 PM (bxiXv)
Answer: John Roberts. Because if the overreaches of ObamaCare can be justified as a tax, then the rest of the the limitations of the Bill of Rights become a dead letter.
Posted by: Al at October 11, 2012 07:26 PM (MzQOZ)
I nobly volunteer to be a taser debate moderator.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at October 11, 2012 07:27 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 11, 2012 07:27 PM (0aTEo)
Not one red cent. Not one channel click.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 11, 2012 11:24 PM (piMMO)
You'd be able to find that on the internet pretty damn quick, I'm willing to bet.
Posted by: Adam at October 11, 2012 07:27 PM (/YJYi)
>>> Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at October 11, 2012 11:24 PM (RZ8pf)
Come to the dark side, we have cookies.
Posted by: Bomber at October 11, 2012 07:27 PM (84w+B)
Posted by: Log Cabin at October 11, 2012 07:27 PM (JV/H0)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at October 11, 2012 11:24 PM (RZ8pf)
Come to the dark side. We have cookies!
http://tinyurl.com/9fse3oo
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at October 11, 2012 07:27 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: tasker at October 11, 2012 07:28 PM (r2PLg)
I hate to keep pounding on the same issue, but I think it is really big fucking deal that the Obama administration thinks that IRAN getting a nuclear weapon is no big deal, because "they do not have a weapon to put it in."
Joe Biden said that TWICE in the debate. No wonder they do not take Iran seriously.
Am I out to lunch on this?
Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 11, 2012 07:28 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: Bill O'Really at October 11, 2012 07:28 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: DC in Towson at October 11, 2012 07:29 PM (CJwi5)
Posted by: Bomber at October 11, 2012 11:27 PM (84w+B)
Yeah, but I had a link. 
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at October 11, 2012 07:29 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Country Singer (likes teh ginger ladies) at October 11, 2012 07:29 PM (+r4NB)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at October 11, 2012 07:30 PM (5J54Q)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 07:30 PM (bxiXv)
http://youtu.be/aDSN1F72QU4
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at October 11, 2012 11:07 PM (5J54Q)
PERFECT.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 11, 2012 07:30 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2012 07:30 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: seamrog at October 11, 2012 07:30 PM (auA8d)
****
Serious LOL
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 11, 2012 07:31 PM (piMMO)
ATC the grand son liked your link to that Rain guy.
He'll probably enjoy this - Ninja Assassin baby.
http://youtu.be/NhU_XnWXgH4
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at October 11, 2012 07:31 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 07:32 PM (DoZD+)
God save us from the Oprah-ize-ation of this country. Posted by: Log Cabin at October 11, 2012 11:27 PM (JV/H0)
Dont give them ideas. Next thing they'll all be sitting on a couch with surprise guests.
Posted by: Mr. Mojo Risin at October 11, 2012 07:32 PM (xXhWA)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 07:32 PM (bxiXv)
i think Ryan missed a big opportunity to nail bidens dick to the floor when biden said nobody ask for more security in libya ryan should have responded with if you hadn't skipped 60 percent of your security breifings maybe someone would have
Posted by: kj at October 11, 2012 07:32 PM (qEts0)
Posted by: tubal at October 11, 2012 07:32 PM (BoE3Z)
As should have been entirely expected would happen.
I said beforehand that Biden was just going to rely on what he did in 2008, which was to spew a continual string of unfactual attacks, relying on the media to never follow up with later checking. Guess what? That's precisely what Biden did tonight. Quelle surprise.
Ryan had no effectual counter. He should have understudied with Gingrich.
Raddatz was a Democratic attack dog. Again, Ryan had no effectual counter. Again, he should have understudied with Gingrich.
"And I've got an idea we can all get behind -- debate moderators with tasers, and those time-clocks they use in speed chess."
You think handing the likes of Raddatz a taser would be a good idea?
Yeah. Sure. Let's go with that. Should work great.
I want the candidates in individual glass booths. With a simple mechanical timer as the "moderator". Each person speaks for their allotted time without interruption. If it's not Slow Joe's turn to speak, his mike is off. He can silently fulminate and wave his hands and roll his eyes behind the glass.
Posted by: torquewrench at October 11, 2012 07:33 PM (ymG7s)
Posted by: Sheriff Joe Biden at October 11, 2012 07:33 PM (jucos)
I hate to keep pounding on the same issue, but I think it is really big fucking dealthat the Obama administration thinks that IRAN getting a nuclear weapon is no big deal, because "they do not have a weapon to put it in."
Joe Biden said that TWICE in the debate. No wonder they do not take Iran seriously.
Am I out to lunch on this?
Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 11, 2012 11:28 PM (zLp5I)
I heard that too.....Thats like saying "we have his DNA and we know he did it, if only we had a container to collect it in".
Posted by: Molly K at October 11, 2012 07:33 PM (p4ieD)
Posted by: DC in Towson at October 11, 2012 07:33 PM (CJwi5)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 11, 2012 07:35 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at October 11, 2012 07:35 PM (4ramR)
Posted by: Bomber at October 11, 2012 07:35 PM (84w+B)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2012 07:35 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 11, 2012 07:36 PM (Iyg03)
Oh F off. Ryan did fine. Just because he didn't stab Biden through the neck with his finely tuned PX90 guns doesn't mean he lost.
I hate this bs 'we lost because we didn't have them puking their shoes' shit.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 11, 2012 07:36 PM (bCaR9)
Posted by: boulder hobo at October 11, 2012 07:36 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 11, 2012 07:36 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2012 07:36 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 11, 2012 07:37 PM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 11, 2012 07:37 PM (Dnbau)
Posted by: A Mindful Webworker at October 11, 2012 07:38 PM (lBpVP)
Posted by: cthulhu at October 11, 2012 11:22 PM Agreed.
Posted by: otho at October 11, 2012 07:38 PM (yBF/9)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 11, 2012 07:38 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: DC in Towson at October 11, 2012 07:38 PM (CJwi5)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2012 07:38 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 07:39 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Tami at October 11, 2012 07:39 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: derit at October 11, 2012 07:39 PM (I88Jc)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at October 11, 2012 07:39 PM (iL9Kk)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 11, 2012 07:39 PM (9Taqp)
http://tinyurl.com/8pnr3p6
I wouldnÂ’t judge the man who balks when his fiance demands a guarantee
for two weeklong trips to Paris every year and diamond jewelry on
birthdays, or the woman who balks when her fiance demands a guarantee
for sex twice a week, at least not without without more details.
How much has modern liberalism farked up male/female relations that this now a point of argument?
Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2012 11:21 PM (AUeaU)
Poor guy will actually be going to Paris twice a year, but he ain't gonna be throwing the lumber to her twice a week. That shit will be "renegotiated" real quick and not in his favor and without his input, pardon the pun.
Posted by: MrCaniac at October 11, 2012 07:40 PM (Zd/NW)
I like the cut of your jib there cowboy.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at October 11, 2012 07:40 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2012 07:40 PM (j1gX1)
I hate this bs 'we lost because we didn't have them puking their shoes' shit.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 11, 2012 11:36 PM (bCaR9)
Agreed. Even if it ends up not moving the needle, that means that Uncle Mo(mentum) is still firmly with R^2. If the game didn't change at all, Obama is on the hook for something big come next debate, and I don't think he has it in him.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at October 11, 2012 07:41 PM (lJJMb)
It would have been good to hear much more then-and-now.
Posted by: torquewrench at October 11, 2012 07:41 PM (ymG7s)
Posted by: smart ass at a VP briefing at October 11, 2012 07:42 PM (vDl/w)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 11, 2012 07:42 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: sophistahick at October 11, 2012 07:42 PM (91TGs)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at October 11, 2012 07:42 PM (Gk3SS)
369 It would have been good to hear much more then-and-now.
No way that moderator scrunt was gonna give Ryan another chance at that.
Posted by: Marybeth at October 11, 2012 07:42 PM (fkaOH)
Nevergiveup - since the postseason is usually all about me seeing former Seattle Mariners now playing for playoff teams and whilst there is no love in my heart at all for the Yankees, I cannot but be thrilled for Raul Ibanez, who hit the very first home run in Safeco Field when it first opened. The man was always a solid player and great guy. And Ichiro is the shizzle. (However...you are most welcome to AFraud. May he stay with you long and cause you to non-prosper.)
Posted by: dwagyak at October 11, 2012 07:42 PM (fhcrm)
Posted by: A Mindful Webworker at October 11, 2012 07:43 PM (lBpVP)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2012 07:43 PM (j1gX1)
Oddly, at that moment Biden offered that Scranton was "better off".
Posted by: navybrat at October 11, 2012 07:43 PM (DWX1w)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 07:43 PM (bxiXv)
The RNC has at least 3 good ads out of this: Biden lying about Beghazi not asking for more security, Biden claiming that he means everything he says, and when he said that O had "decimated AQ" when they just killed 4 Americans in Libya.
Also, the RNC should feature Ryan's asking Biden what the unemployment rate in Scranton is; I thought that was a great moment.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 11, 2012 07:43 PM (KL49F)
God save us from the Oprah-ize-ation of this country. Posted by: Log Cabin at October 11, 2012 11:27 PM
That was more like Jerry Springer or The Five with Bob Beckel as the Moderator
Posted by: kbdabear at October 11, 2012 07:43 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 11, 2012 07:44 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: DC in Towson at October 11, 2012 07:44 PM (CJwi5)
Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at October 11, 2012 07:45 PM (626t3)
Posted by: Zooming through the comments to get to some meat at October 11, 2012 07:45 PM (Q2wni)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2012 07:45 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at October 11, 2012 11:42 PM (Gk3SS)
I was all ready to go "you can't fake me out with mah tabbed browsing, you stompy-booted head-fakin' bitch, as I's seen enough fake "new post" comments to know what for", but then it turned out to be true, so thanks, Alex. Very kind of you.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at October 11, 2012 07:46 PM (lJJMb)
Posted by: no good deed at October 11, 2012 07:46 PM (mjR67)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2012 07:46 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 11, 2012 07:47 PM (JMmQ9)
****
http://bit.ly/QUZEqJ
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 11, 2012 07:47 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: dwagyak at October 11, 2012 11:42 PM (fhcrm)
I'm a Reds fan, so I get to watch Dusty Baker make bad managerial decisions every time they get into the postseason.
Posted by: MrCaniac at October 11, 2012 07:47 PM (Zd/NW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2012 07:48 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: A Mindful Webworker at October 11, 2012 07:48 PM (lBpVP)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 11, 2012 07:48 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 11, 2012 11:24 PM
Eva also thinks Mark Sanchez is an NFL quarterback..
Posted by: kbdabear at October 11, 2012 07:48 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Palandine at October 11, 2012 07:49 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: MrCaniac at October 11, 2012 11:47 PM (Zd/NW)
I have lots of Cub fan friends. Sorry you had to live their nightmare.
Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at October 11, 2012 07:49 PM (626t3)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2012 07:49 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Oldcat at October 11, 2012 07:50 PM (rzSn3)
Bush proposed taking 2 fucking % from your SS contribution, and put it in the market. Had you done this in '02, you'de be ahead. Granted you'd have taken a "paper hit" for awhile, but who would have sold low if you're getting 98% of your SS?
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Smiling like he needed a drool bib. And a helmet. Joe is a kool kid and debates are for nerds. Or as I like to call nerds "informed voters w/skin in the game...aka TAXPAYERS!
Posted by: hutch1200 at October 11, 2012 07:50 PM (HEkAt)
Posted by: boulder hobo at October 11, 2012 07:50 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 11, 2012 07:50 PM (lyStv)
A tie is good enough at this stage imho. Considering the assist from the moderator, that ain't too bad.
Now, to mix some memes.
It puts the juice on it's skin or it gets the hose. Hey, where'd she go?
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 11, 2012 07:53 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 07:53 PM (NHR2W)
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Wrong! MANY purported "compelling state purpose" arguments have been struck down as unconstitutional, and ESPECIALLY restrictions against travel between the states.
http://tinyurl.com/8hs9op6
"As the Supreme Court notes in Saenz v Roe, 98-97 (1999), the Constitution does not contain the word "travel" in any context, let alone an explicit right to travel (except for members of Congress, who are guaranteed the right to travel to and from Congress). The presumed right to travel, however, is firmly established in U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized." In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that "it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." It is interesting to note that the Articles of Confederation had an explicit right to travel; it is now thought that the right is so fundamental that the Framers may have thought it unnecessary to include it in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights."
Posted by: Jim Sonweed at October 11, 2012 07:54 PM (2c1Cq)
Posted by: Up with people! at October 11, 2012 07:54 PM (kzFo5)
Posted by: VJay at October 11, 2012 07:55 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: Oldcat at October 11, 2012 07:55 PM (rzSn3)
Posted by: Up with people! at October 11, 2012 07:56 PM (kzFo5)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at October 11, 2012 07:56 PM (4ramR)
Angry old man yells at Paul Ryan for 90 minutes; Update: CNN insta-poll of undecideds shows tie; Update: Ryan wins CNN insta-poll overall, 48/44
http://tinyurl.com/96ju4nq
Posted by: kbdabear at October 11, 2012 07:57 PM (wwsoB)
And Romney debates again Tuesday.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 07:58 PM (NHR2W)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 07:59 PM (NHR2W)
****
Another LOL
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 11, 2012 07:59 PM (piMMO)
"As the Supreme Court notes in Saenz v Roe, 98-97 (1999), the
Constitution does not contain the word "travel" in any context, let alone an
explicit right to travel (except for members of Congress, who are guaranteed the right to travel to and from
Congress). The presumed right to travel, however, is firmly established in
U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court
noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly
recognized." In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969),
Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that "it is a right broadly
assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like
the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right,
guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." It is interesting to note that the
Articles of Confederation had an explicit
right to travel; it is now thought that the right is so fundamental that the
Framers may have thought it unnecessary to include it in the Constitution or
the Bill of Rights."
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And the USSC hasn't changed their mind before? They also used to think we had a fundamental right to contract, and so did the rest of the country. But man in the 1930's they told us that after all this time, we actually didn't.
Posted by: Rich at October 11, 2012 08:00 PM (pnHKr)
Posted by: Berserker at October 11, 2012 08:00 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: dwagyak at October 11, 2012 11:42 PM (fhcrm)
As a sad Rangers fan, nothing warms my heart more than seeing another A-Rod FAIL.... Bwahahaha!! Now don't anybody mention a certain Josh Hamilton FAIL - we all know....
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 11, 2012 08:01 PM (enmpX)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Reporting for Duty at Romney HQ at October 11, 2012 08:01 PM (NHR2W)
Posted by: Oldcat at October 11, 2012 08:02 PM (rzSn3)
They don't have Jewish physicists running the thing like the U.S. did.
Posted by: andycanuck at October 11, 2012 08:02 PM (vDl/w)
he laughed off Iran's getting a nuke like it was the funniest thing he'd ever heard.
Didn't Rush have a clip of Hillary last week doing the same thing? Some guy asked her something like that and she laughed like it was the silliest thing she had ever heard.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 08:02 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: Truman North at October 11, 2012 08:05 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Kalneva at October 11, 2012 08:05 PM (cQmXn)
Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at October 11, 2012 08:06 PM (l57Cl)
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 11, 2012 08:06 PM (JMmQ9)
He is the "Black Hole" in the Yankee Universe for the next 5 years.
You know, now that I think about it, we Seattle fans usually give lots of love to former Mariners. Tino Martinez was cheered every single time he came to bat in a Yankee uniform because he was such a crucial part of the 1995 miracle season. Ken Griffey Jr. could not believe the love he got when the Reds finally played at Seattle in interleague play.
But dear ole Alex. Understand that there were almost NO tears shed and NO loving send-offs when he departed and we still boo his ass every damn time he steps to the plate in Seattle over a decade later. Even the groundskeepers couldn't stand him. Pardon my mention of a dark moment for you, but that whole RedSox thing of coming back from 3 down? I just could not stop smiling because they kept showing ARod at the top of the dugout stairs looking mournful. But I'm a bitch that way.
Posted by: dwagyak at October 11, 2012 08:07 PM (fhcrm)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 08:08 PM (DoZD+)
Damn it. Now I have to fuck up my whole day tomorrow to watch a game 5.
Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2012 08:09 PM (g5+dk)
Posted by: no good deed at October 11, 2012 08:10 PM (mjR67)
Posted by: dwagyak at October 11, 2012 08:11 PM (fhcrm)
Hey Barry, the heat is on!
http://youtu.be/1-mU-YSk32I
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2012 08:14 PM (HC7j7)
Ryan: Hey girl, you know these blue eyes will make you lose track of time. Thanksgiving's just around my sculpted corners.
Posted by: derit at October 11, 2012 08:16 PM (I88Jc)
I recently had some maintenance work done. There were two procedures available, once much cheaper and less invasive (and with a lower long-term success rate). I told my urologist I'd try that, and try to save the insurer some money. He was impressed with that attitude, seeing it so infrequently.
So, when the bills started to come in, this doctor acting as surgeon had charged a total of $295, which I thought was just great. Then the federal-coded standard fees for the hospital services showed up, through the insurance statements. Just the use of the operating room was $10K. That's a microcosm of what's wrong with "the system," right there.
Posted by: comatus at October 11, 2012 08:17 PM (qaVK+)
Furball is also out, as that was lovingly bestowed on ace by CAC.
"You're a fascist scumbag taking away my free speech rights" is also out as jimi ray suggested it and I just can't agree with him on hardly anything.
Any suggestions? Keeping in mind his threat of nothing but lauraw ONTs, I got nothing.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 11, 2012 08:18 PM (ccXZP)
I hope you are a good candidate. It's so fantastic not having to hassle with glasses or contacts.
My eyes are in such bad shape that I'm confident I'll still need glasses. I actually like glasses but I'm a little concerned that I may be legally blind or something in 20 years or less. I've been wearing trifocals for nearly 10 years and I only just turned 50.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 08:26 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 11, 2012 08:32 PM (enmpX)
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 12, 2012 12:32 AM (enmpX)
My aunt had RK, and it was neat enough at the time, but compared to what they can do with LASIK it's like having surgery using flint knives and bone implements. It was an improvement, then, but worthy of a shudder today.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 11, 2012 08:36 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: cthulhu at October 11, 2012 08:40 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 08:40 PM (bxiXv)
Just make sure the eye surgery is done by someone really, really good. References, research them.
It's with a reputable clinic in town.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 08:42 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 08:43 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: DC in Towson at October 11, 2012 08:44 PM (CJwi5)
Posted by: zeera at October 11, 2012 08:44 PM (Lv9bM)
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 12, 2012 12:32 AM (enmpX)
My mom had cataract surgery this week and went to the doctor today. She is 75 years old and now has 20/20 vision. She also looks like she is 55. Her mom and grandmother both lived into their late 90's. Lucky for me, I am adopted, so I don't get access to those genes.
Posted by: MrCaniac at October 11, 2012 08:45 PM (Zd/NW)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 11, 2012 08:46 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at October 11, 2012 08:47 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: MrCaniac at October 11, 2012 08:51 PM (Zd/NW)
My mom had cataract surgery this week and went to the doctor today. She is 75 years old and now has 20/20 vision. She also looks like she is 55. Her mom and grandmother both lived into their late 90's. Lucky for me, I am adopted, so I don't get access to those genes.
Posted by: MrCaniac at October 12, 2012 12:45 AM (Zd/NW)
I remember when my mom had cataract surgery - she had worn really thick-lensed (is that a word?) glasses all her life, and after the cataract surgery, she was close to 20-20 - she was amazed!
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 11, 2012 08:54 PM (enmpX)
Posted by: rickl at October 11, 2012 08:55 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: cthulhu at October 12, 2012 12:36 AM (kaalw)
Yeah, sort of like trepanning for headaches, otherwise known as "modern medicine" under Obamacare... It was a bit intimidating, seeing that little scalpel headed for my corneas...
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 11, 2012 08:56 PM (enmpX)
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 11, 2012 09:02 PM (enmpX)
Posted by: DC in Towson at October 11, 2012 09:03 PM (CJwi5)
but compared to what they can do with LASIK it's like having surgery
using flint knives and bone implements. It was an improvement, then, but
worthy of a shudder today.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 12, 2012 12:36 AM (kaalw)
Yeah, sort of like trepanning for headaches, otherwise known as "modern medicine" under Obamacare... It was a bit intimidating, seeing that little scalpel headed for my corneas...
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 12, 2012 12:56 AM (enmpX)
True admission -- up until the day of the procedure, I figured I'd only do one eye, in case of a massive clusterfuck so that I'd still have vision (impaired, but functional). Got there, did both eyes, glad I did -- screwing around with glasses that made things worse was a problem.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 11, 2012 09:04 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 12, 2012 12:54 AM (enmpX)
I got amazed when I had the same back problems as my dad. He had his surgery in the 70's, me in 2004. The differences were that instead of removing the disk and fusing the vertabrae like they did in his, the surgeon just cut away the protruding disk. He was in the hospital for a week, in a hospital bed at home for a month, and could only work a couple hours a day for several months. I had the surgery at 8am, was at home at 3pm, and back at work in 2 weeks. The only reason why I wasn't back at work earlier was because I wasn't cleared by the doc to drive.
Posted by: MrCaniac at October 11, 2012 09:09 PM (Zd/NW)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at October 11, 2012 09:19 PM (jZn+7)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 11, 2012 09:24 PM (RLZvP)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 11, 2012 10:18 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: davidt at October 11, 2012 10:33 PM (8/bPb)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 11, 2012 11:09 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: The Political Hat \m/ at October 11, 2012 11:36 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at October 12, 2012 02:02 AM (uMfFZ)
Posted by: burt at October 12, 2012 05:57 AM (8kEad)
Posted by: Dan at October 12, 2012 11:09 AM (aBQSf)
A) unconscious incompetence (like Dunning-Kruger Effect)
B) conscious incompetence
C) conscious competence
D) unconscious competence (such as when you do something automatically, like driving. You go from point A to point B and getting to B, you say, shit, I don't remember driving that. We've all done that to some degree. And if you say you haven't you are unconsciously unconscious competent or you're full shit and lying, because everyone's done it.
D) is actually more dangerous than A) as far a safety goes because you know how to perform something and you become so lax about it as to do it unconsciously and that is when most work place accidents occur. Such as the BP spill. Their data was telling them something was wrong, but because they had done this many times their competence became unconscious and they failed to pay attention to the data.
Unconscious competence also laps over into what is known as "normalization of deviance" which will always lead to predictable surprises and predicable consequences. That is when something goes wrong and instead of shutting it down you proceed anyway, and you get away with it with no consequences. So the next time it happens, you say, well, nothing happened last time so I'm going to do it again this time, and again nothing happens and you get away with it with no consequences. You have now deviated from the normal, and set a "new normal" that is substandard. Eventually it will catch up with you and predictably, people will die. Such as what happened with the Space Shuttle Challenger. Listen to the series "Normalization of Deviance" from Astronaut Mike Mullan. YouTube has it in 4 parts. He tells a good story.
Posted by: halodoc at October 13, 2012 07:21 PM (Fzbp3)
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