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December 04, 2012

Overnight Open Thread (12-4-2012)
— Maetenloch

This time it's a state free-for-all not just presidents. From a Quora thread written in World War Z-style:

All 50 of the states in America each declared independence, and all simultaneously declared war on each other (50 states in a free-for-all).

Which state would be the last one standing? How would the battle play out? Which states would be the first to fall, the last?

A few points:
    - No foreign intervention/aid.
    - All civilians would be involved in the war (either producing supplies and food, and actually fighting).
    - Consider domestic factors (X state has x many firearm manufacturers, etc).
    - Military bases belong to the state.
    - Preferably no nukes, but hey however you want to answer.

First came a period of massive migration back to the homelands. Facing the newly invented discrimination that will be created many felt the need to go back to their own people. While the individual states retained all military assets they couldn't control the individuals who fight. A Texas Marine stationed in California, would not fight for California. A soldier in New York would not fight against their home in Virginia and a sailor in Houston would not fight against their home state of Florida. The warriors returned to their home states and the states had to re-consider that when they measured troop strength of their new nations.

The End Result of Progressive Taxes: Just 144,000 Households in CA Pay 50% of all Taxes

Since California has a population of around 38 million, that means each one of these households is covering the tax cost for 132 California residents. Now you might think they'd get a little respect for basically keeping CA going fiscally but of course not - they're demonized and despised and the CA government is doing everything it can to drive them to other states.

Coming soon to a federal government near you.

Buckley, Kerouac, Sanders and Yablonsky Discuss Hippies

The Simplicity of the Impossible

How Marine Pfc. Hector Cafferata single-handedly held the line against repeated Chinese human wave attacks.

"It must have been around 1:30 a.m. I was zipped up in my sleeping bag lying out on the frozen ground behind some rocks and pine trees we'd cut and put up as a wind break. My buddy, Kenny Benson, was next to me in his sleeping bag. We heard some rifle fire and a machine gun open up. I realized this was for real," said Cafferata, who now lives in Venice, Fla.
"I unzipped my bag and grabbed my M-1 rifle. There were Chinese all around us. I shot five or six right in front of me immediately.

"I said to Benson, 'What are you doing?"

"'Putting on my boots,' he replied.

"'Forget the boots. Start shooting,' I said."

He grabbed his Browning Automatic Rifle, but it was frozen. It was 20 degrees below zero and nothing made of steel operated well in such severe temperatures.
"There were Chinese all around us, so I knew we had to get the hell out of there. Benson and I started crawling back toward our lines. I wasn't sure where we were."

The Great Korea-Japan Sex Toy War

Thanks to the ongoing arms race in Asia the odds of a decent sexbot just went up.

Sex products from Korea are known for being of a particularly unique nature, but when it comes to quality they do not hold Japan's candle.that is, hold a candle to Tenga, the nation's top tool-maker for self-tugging, reports Sapio (December).

The monthly magazine traces the evolution of sex gear in Korea by starting with the Dream Love Chair, a copulating contraption taking up space in many of Japan's love hotels.

...Since Tenga launched its first models in Japan on July 7, 2005, its products have gone on sale in over 40 nations, with more than 20 million units shipped.
In the development of the Kinsey, HEPS looked to Tenga. "When I saw the Tenga, its amazing design and quality of materials left me stunned," says the HEPS representative. "Since there were no outstanding products coming from Korea, I thought that we could develop our own."

Are Head and Tails Really 50-50?

Nope - initial conditions matter:

According to Diaconis, a natural bias occurs when coins are flipped, which results in the side that was originally facing up returning to that same position 51 per cent of the time. This means that if a coin is flipped with its heads side facing up, it will land the same way 51 out of 100 times.

Diaconis came to this conclusion after determining that no matter how hard a coin is flipped, the side that started up will spend more time facing up most of the time.

The Awesomeness of Bill Murray

A snippet from a recent NYT interview:

Mr. Murray, having changed his shirt but still in the blue shorts, leaves the hotel and boards a chauffeured S.U.V., where the conversation continues.
Q. It sounds as if you also wanted to convey Roosevelt's voice as much as his physical presence.
A. We had a discussion about it, and we agreed that you don't want to do an impression. You want to get it in you, and then you want to play - - [The car is suddenly cut off by another vehicle.] That person was insane. [To his driver] Well-avoided, Mustafa. But you can bump her now. She's got it coming.

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1 First?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 06:28 PM (jPVBi)

2 Who needs to read the links? This is the HQ. Comments rule!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 06:29 PM (jPVBi)

3 An American Fool Abroad... Ought To Just PARTY HARD? More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=677 While many in America voted for Obama for free stuff or out of class/race/gender hatred, there are those who believe that an Â“internationallyÂ” minded President with a childhood free from that pesky American society and culture, via either Indonesian residency or being coddled domestically in the ivory towers of the pinkest satrapies, would be able to eschew all those evil American stereotype and act more like everyone else does to achieve some type of blissful consensus of the international community. Even as his Â“lead from behindÂ” strategy draws belittlement at home, it is indeed seen favorably abroad. This is not because the world leaders are glad that we can all come together is some glorious consensus and unity of mankind, but because they know that such drivel is idiotic, and that Obama is the idiot they get to play with like a cat with a mouse. The disconnect between the utopian international Progressive left in America and the realpolitik of practically every other nation on earth is so stark, that the American left still believes that Obama has successfully Â“hit the reset buttonÂ” even as the world mocks and laughs at America. The rest of the world knows that Obama is a failure and also a fool that they can take advantage of. The belittlement has gotten to the point where it is open and insulting. Recently, CambodiaÂ’s first lady mocked Obama with a Â“greeting thatÂ’s meant for servants.Â” Obama and the American voter have also been openly belittled in Russia. Pravda (far more reliable now-a-days than the American legacy media), has stated that Â“Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them.Â” They go on to say: Â“They read history in America donÂ’t they? Alas, the schools in the U.S. were conquered by the Communists long ago and history was revised thus paving the way for their Communist presidents. Obama has bailed out those businesses that voted for him and increased the debt to over 16 trillion with an ever increasing unemployment rate especially among blacks and other minorities. All the while promoting his agenda.Â” Just to underscore the pathetic nature of the Obama administration, Obama was planning to reach out to the Middle East in truly Â“interesting wayÂ”: By sending rocker Andrew W. K. to Bahrain to Â“share his music and partying with the people there.Â” Alas, the Obama administration had a change of heart: https://twitter.com/AndrewWK/statuses/273598903562149888 Twitter genius Iowahawk opined how this was one of the better ideas Obama has had: https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/statuses/273592180596166657 A little mood music, while AmericaÂ’s foreign policy fails: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WccfbPQNMbg

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 04, 2012 06:31 PM (sZTYJ)

4 Ah, home sweet home . . .

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2012 06:31 PM (kpCLl)

5 And it's a bit difficult to read the link in the 2nd Civil War link if you need Farcebook and Twatter accounts to access them and you don't have either.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 06:32 PM (jPVBi)

6 sweet ONT brb, gotta go read all the stuff above

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 04, 2012 06:32 PM (2CiZb)

7 Evening, folks. Let the revels commence.

Posted by: joncelli at December 04, 2012 06:33 PM (CWlPF)

8 Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 10:32 PM (jPVBi)

What a backward fucking loser you are.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 04, 2012 06:34 PM (GsoHv)

Wait, you mean the Obama isn't as smart as Michael Beschloss thinks he is?

Shut the door!

You're pulling my leg.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Santa Claus at December 04, 2012 06:34 PM (Md8Uo)

10 5 And it's a bit difficult to read the link in the 2nd Civil War link if you need Farcebook and Twatter accounts to access them and you don't have either.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 10:32 PM (jPVBi)

bugmenot.com

Posted by: Mætenloch at December 04, 2012 06:34 PM (pAlYe)

11 why is ID brown and the same as WA and OR in the map above?

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 04, 2012 06:35 PM (2CiZb)

12 I just feel so much better knowing that the NSA and the FBI have saved every muthafuckin' email I ever wrote. Don't you guys? Damn the Constitution, we're in good hands here.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2012 06:35 PM (kpCLl)

13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmPQOhjpgqc

on endless loop

Posted by: sTevo at December 04, 2012 06:35 PM (iUyBG)

14 Martin Van Buren would kick Delaware's ass, that's for sure!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 06:35 PM (1OZSU)

15 No, Mr. Bond. I expect you to call it, friend-o. Heads or tails?

Posted by: Javier Goldpube at December 04, 2012 06:36 PM (I88Jc)

16 Can't figure out your new fangled facebook Civil War, but Tx wins.

Posted by: dogfish at December 04, 2012 06:36 PM (N2yhW)

17 How long before the trolls roll in?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 06:37 PM (GEICT)

18 The break apart scenario described is rather silly - but one could expect the American South, Texas, and the MidWest to form a coalition facing two socialist states.

With the advantage of military experience and interior lines, the war would be over soon, and on the non-socialist state's terms - likely extremely lenient. A breakaway constitutional republic would have 0 interest in absorbing back a large number of socialist voters.

A far more likely case is that Texas breaks away and the US lets it go. Within a few years much of the South and MidWest leave the US to join the booming economy of the Republic of Texas. The Old US collapses into fiefdoms organized around strongmen.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2012 06:37 PM (AUeaU)

19 Hi Mr. Gopher, it's your friend Mr. Squirrel

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 06:38 PM (1OZSU)

20 We still have trolls? I thought they went bye-bye after the election was stolen. I should probably pay better attention . . .

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2012 06:38 PM (kpCLl)

21 Didn't even try to follow 2nd CW link, but I noticed that CO is chartreuse. Why is CO chartreuse and surrounded by white?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 04, 2012 06:38 PM (wbeNt)

22 TX my ass. Alaska for the win. We got the oil, the fish, the distance, and the military. We got the AWACS, the ELF, all that jazz. So, no, TX is going to overrun by Messicans and that's all she wrote.

Posted by: tcn at December 04, 2012 06:39 PM (VLG62)

23 That's okay, CharlieBrown'sDildo, I'm pretending to be typing this on my iPhone.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 06:39 PM (jPVBi)

Facebook is a plot by leftist corporatists to data mine information about your personal life to market all kinds of shit (especially Obama, who is really a big pile of shit) and manipulate you endlessly.

Whatever you may think of how Facebook lets you "connect" with family and friends, it's fundamentally a tool to invade your privacy and then find out how to manipulate you.

Twitter may be a funny way to make snarky comments to absolute strangers, but that 's what AoSHQ was for, isn't it?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Santa Claus at December 04, 2012 06:39 PM (Md8Uo)

25 23 That's okay, CharlieBrown'sDildo, I'm pretending to be typing this on my iPhone. Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 10:39 PM (jPVBi) Channeling EoJ: homo

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 06:40 PM (GEICT)

26 My FIL has met Hector Cafferata and plans to introduce me. I hope i don't faint.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 04, 2012 06:40 PM (85EaA)

feesryt, Yeah right.

Posted by: JimboHoffa at December 04, 2012 06:40 PM (dAfqy)

28 AtC's post has been linked at Market Ticker now. http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?post=214504&ord=3083399#3083399 I was just about to do it myself, but I see somebody beat me to it.

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2012 06:40 PM (sdi6R)

29 I shall not tweet, not now, not ever. Waste of my time. I can be twice as snarky with more space to snark right here.

Posted by: tcn at December 04, 2012 06:40 PM (VLG62)

30 The Old US collapses into fiefdoms organized around strongmen.
Bloody peasants!

Posted by: baron rahm at December 04, 2012 06:40 PM (jPVBi)

31 No facebook. No twitter. No way. No how. I am officially one of "those people."

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2012 06:41 PM (kpCLl)

32 Alaska is too far away to shoot. ...as for as Tx bein' overrun, you got a point.

Posted by: dogfish at December 04, 2012 06:41 PM (N2yhW)

33 Twitter may be a funny way to make snarky comments to absolute strangers, but that 's what AoSHQ was for, isn't it?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Santa Claus at December 04, 2012 10:39 PM (Md8Uo)

Yes, but Twitter lets you send a 'Ron or 'Ette a private message to let them know when you've been accidentally banned here. I'm a big believer in having as many points of contact as possible.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 04, 2012 06:41 PM (wbeNt)

34 They always bring back good old Otto.

Posted by: concrete girl at December 04, 2012 06:41 PM (y2Ojs)

35 http://is.gd/AqvfFo

Total enlightenment.

Posted by: sTevo at December 04, 2012 06:42 PM (iUyBG)

36 My FIL has met Hector Cafferata and plans to introduce me. I hope i don't faint.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 04, 2012 10:40 PM (85EaA)

That is super cool.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2012 06:42 PM (kpCLl)

37 Just tell me where Dennehy is going to live and I'll go there. We win.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 06:42 PM (jucos)

38 Good night.

Posted by: Truman North at December 04, 2012 06:42 PM (I2LwF)

Regarding the 144,000 households in California paying 50% of the taxes - GREAT! If that's mainly Hollywood people since anyone else with sense left long ago, then bleed them further.

And the article noted that Samsung has now left the state. Good for them. I love South Korea.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 04, 2012 06:42 PM (AC0lD)

40 'Night, Tru! Sweet dreams and God bless.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2012 06:43 PM (kpCLl)

Smart phones allow you to send tweets and play with twitter all the ding-dong day.

Smart phones. Really. That's what they call them

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Santa Claus at December 04, 2012 06:43 PM (Md8Uo)

42 I have to say, the Commonwealth of Virginia for the win. We have Norfolk, the Pentagon, major Air Force bases, major Army bases, FBI HQ, all the NSA and CIA spy shit, coal coming out of our asses, a shitload of NatGas offshore, deepwater ports. We also have VMI, so all others can suck our lollipops.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 04, 2012 06:43 PM (Zd/NW)

43 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 04, 2012 06:44 PM (JMmQ9)

44 Well that was short 'n sweet but gotta go grocery shopping before it gets ridiculously late.

Posted by: dogfish at December 04, 2012 06:44 PM (N2yhW)

45 I think I can safely say that the liberal asshats on the east and west coasts that don't own guns will fall faster than lined up domino's although for the life of me I can't see why subjugating such slackers would be monetarily beneficial.

Posted by: Gmac at December 04, 2012 06:44 PM (IanLz)

46 Which state has the most ICBM's?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 06:44 PM (1OZSU)

47 To help in answering the civil war question...

The South is over-represented among military recruits. It provided 42.2 percent of 1999 recruits and 41.0 percent of 2003 recruits but contained just 35.6 percent of the population ages 18-24. HowÂever, other regions also provide a higher proportion of enlistees. The states with the highest enlistment proporÂtional ratings by far are MonÂtana (1.67), Alaska (1.42), Wyoming (1.40), and Maine (1.39). (A proportional rating of 1.00 means that a state's enlistee and general populaÂtions ages 18-24 are exactly proportional to their respecÂtive national populations.)

[...]

On the state level, 20 states and the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico were underrepresented with proportional ratios below 1.0. Table 6 proÂvides complete state-level data. Of note, this table shows that certain states had a higher enlistment proportion after the terrorist attacks. One might expect the states where the attacks took place to respond with higher enlistment proportions. On the contrary, New York's enlistment proportion ratio was 0.86 in 1999 and 0.79 in 2003. In VirÂginia, the ratio dropped from 1.27 to 1.23.

Due to the lack of comparable data for other years, it is unclear whether this movement is signifÂicant or even suggestive of a pattern. However, states with the most positive upward movement in their enlistment ratios after the war on terrorism began were Iowa (+0.21), Wisconsin (+0.17), KanÂsas (+0.16), Washington> (+0.15), and Arizona (+0.14).

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 06:45 PM (jPVBi)

48 Regarding the 144,000 households in California paying 50% of the taxes - GREAT! If that's mainly Hollywood people since anyone else with sense left long ago, then bleed them further.

Um, hullo!!! You do realize that we have stores and offices and shit like that here, right? It's not all movie magic here in the land of the tiny brained.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2012 06:45 PM (kpCLl)

49 Channeling EoJ: homo
But I don't pretend to have a blog so that makes me straight.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 06:46 PM (jPVBi)

50 I am on my new windows phone right now! A laptop is better. I really don't like this thing.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 06:47 PM (jucos)

Thank you very much, Andy, Ace and Pixy.

Open commenting,what can go wrong?

Posted by: JimboHoffa at December 04, 2012 06:48 PM (dAfqy)

52 @35 The really sad part of enlightenment is you see that that sign is inevitable, if an Obama survive the Honolulu choom stage without off-duty Marines hunting his sorry sad psychoactive ass down with an OKC-3S bayonet under the feral hog/drug dealer license. Bacon now, or pay later, Long Pig. Not to mention all that clit-slittin' goin' on in Egypt, Baby.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 06:48 PM (1V6Pv)

53 Well, there's Alaska again. More military per capita. Except Montana, and nobody is stationed there, so it looks like AK for the win.

Posted by: tcn at December 04, 2012 06:48 PM (VLG62)

54 Semper Fi

Posted by: fluffy holds his manhood cheap at December 04, 2012 06:49 PM (O6q63)

55 Yo, fluff.

Posted by: tcn at December 04, 2012 06:49 PM (VLG62)

56 Andy coblogger or me?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 06:50 PM (jPVBi)

57 Morons you ever have something from the Q actually help you out? That sidebar piece about the boy with Aspergers - Ron Fournier is a commie but it made me cry. I love this place.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 04, 2012 06:50 PM (/1U3u)

58 Legion of the Boned;

The 11 "Death Spiral" States

http://tinyurl.com/b6wc55m

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 06:50 PM (wwsoB)

Which state has the most ICBM's?

An off hand guess is South Dakota.

It is a flat and somewhat barren state. It will be overun by marauding armored columns. How much will your nukes help you now?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Santa Claus at December 04, 2012 06:50 PM (Md8Uo)

60 Oh. You're discussing the other thread being trolled up. Never mind.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 06:50 PM (jPVBi)

61 Oh, I see the game is "who wins"? 50 quatloos on the sates that "allow" their citizens automatic firearms. Plus for silencers. Plus for Tenther governors. Plus for truth in government statutes. (It helps if you know the address of the functionaries who are eating out your substance.) Wtf am I doing here? OMG!

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 06:51 PM (1V6Pv)

62 Which state has the most ICBM's?

I heard one of the Dakotas.

Posted by: Armando at December 04, 2012 06:51 PM (IDypm)

63 Regarding the 144,000 households in California paying 50% of the taxes
- GREAT! If that's mainly Hollywood people since anyone else with sense
left long ago, then bleed them further.

Um, hullo!!! You do realize that we have stores and offices and shit like that here, right? It's not all movie magic here in the land of the tiny brained.
Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2012 10:45 PM

Gov Moonbeam signed an extension of special tax favors for Hollywood, so they still get to avoid reality

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 06:52 PM (wwsoB)

Hi tcn

Am I allowed to return to Ft Wainwright for the Burning Time?

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 06:53 PM (O6q63)

65 TX my ass. Alaska for the win. We got the oil, the fish, the distance, and the military. We got the AWACS, the ELF, all that jazz. So, no, TX is going to overrun by Messicans and that's all she wrote. Posted by: tcn at December 04, 2012 10:39 PM (VLG62) You guys in Alaska have absolutely nothing to worry about...

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at December 04, 2012 06:53 PM (sZTYJ)

66 59- Well, having once used an outhouse in Alaska at 40 below I would guess that either AK or Minnesota have the most ICBM's

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 06:54 PM (1OZSU)

67 NJ for the win

Who's going to invade it, and who wants to fight a war when all you get out of it is New Jersey?

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 06:54 PM (wwsoB)

68 Just remember, Virginia has all the NSA and CIA spy shit. Whatever your state has, we will turn it against you. Spy shit. We win. Plus we got all kinds of big boats that make boom noises in your soon to be third world shitholes.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 04, 2012 06:55 PM (Zd/NW)

69 I wonder about the state makeup of nuke-armed submarine crews. I hope that's not where those Maine figures come from.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 06:55 PM (jPVBi)

70 Heat FTW

suck it,AK.

Posted by: Texas at December 04, 2012 06:55 PM (EZl54)

71 Ah, thats why when you catch the coin, the final flip from your palm to your other forearm evens out the odds. According to my exhaustive research.

Posted by: IBT at December 04, 2012 06:56 PM (2t6Gz)

72 North Dakota has the most ICBM'S also B-52's up the Ying.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 06:56 PM (jucos)

73 The answer to the ICBM question is North Dakota.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 06:56 PM (O6q63)

74 Well, AK could cut itself in half and make TX the third largest state!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 06:56 PM (1OZSU)

75 Ice Cold BMs.
Very good.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 06:57 PM (jPVBi)

76 you know, not everyone does FaceSpace or Twitter.... I thought it was all about being inclusive...

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 04, 2012 06:57 PM (JMmQ9)

77 (The acronym, that is, not the ICBMs themselves.)

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 06:57 PM (jPVBi)

78 FL might have a problem since they have to defend the largest coastline in the lower 48

WV would be hard with all the places a guerilla army could hide in

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 06:58 PM (wwsoB)

Seamus Muldoon @ 69

I see what you did there. ICBM's. Very punny.

golf clap. very slow golf clap

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Santa Claus at December 04, 2012 06:58 PM (Md8Uo)

80 Nevada has all of the space alien technology.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 04, 2012 06:58 PM (sZTYJ)

81 Maybe we can make a USA version of Risk

Ohio would be The Ukraine

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 06:59 PM (wwsoB)

82 I still think it's kind of silly, every state could easily be broken up into more states. That is actually more likely than every state getting into a civil war. California would collapse overnight.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 04, 2012 06:59 PM (NzBQO)

First and only off-color joke my dad ever told me. I was about 9 and had no idea what an ICBM was, but I sure knew what an icy BM was.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 06:59 PM (1OZSU)

84 Well, AK could cut itself in half and make TX the third largest state!

AK could cut itself in half and have exactly the same human population.

Posted by: Texas at December 04, 2012 07:00 PM (EZl54)

85 MD has the NSA and also Ft. Dietrich. We are literally bristling with chemical and bio-weapons with red necks just dying to use them.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 07:00 PM (jucos)

86 On that note I am outta here. Don't trash the place.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 07:00 PM (1OZSU)

87 Louisiana could simply blockade the Mississippi and every state dependent on the river would be SOL

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 07:01 PM (wwsoB)

88 AK could cut itself in half and have exactly the same human population.
But Empress Palin would have a fifth column of fanatics in every state.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 07:01 PM (jPVBi)

Initially, Nevada would be California's bitch. But eventually, the state would be a graveyard for the rabble of the Commiefornia Red Liberation Army.

California has too many mouths to feed and too much sloth. After the FSA denudes the producers like locusts, they will all eventually starve to death. And Nevada is to arid and dry to feed itself.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Santa Claus at December 04, 2012 07:01 PM (Md8Uo)

90 87 Louisiana could simply blockade the Mississippi and every state dependent on the river would be SOL
Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 11:01 PM (wwsoB)

Well only until someone turns on the Federal hurricane machine.

Posted by: Mætenloch at December 04, 2012 07:02 PM (pAlYe)

91 @88

...dammit

Posted by: Texas at December 04, 2012 07:02 PM (EZl54)

92 But eventually, the state would be a graveyard for the rabble of the Commiefornia Red Liberation Army.
I think their army would be the Freedom Army of Government Socialism not the CRLA.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 07:03 PM (jPVBi)

93 Warning; This has been used by the Border Patrol as a Virtual Fence;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRNJa8tlsLA

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 07:04 PM (wwsoB)

94 does the calculus for the 50 state cage match consider which state has the most morons?

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:04 PM (Z9EHQ)

95 As much as I love the Badger State (dood! Apostle Islands! Superior's world-class Wisconsin Point! Westby!), I have to say that whether its the FIBS (fookin' IL bastids) or some Madison miscreant native element, it looks like Berlin. http://preview.tinyurl.com/9mssca8 Might take some heavy Ma Deuce action to attain victory.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 07:05 PM (1V6Pv)

96 I read obama has a secret plan for the state cage match, he has seven states in reserve.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:05 PM (Z9EHQ)

97 California has too many mouths to feed and too much sloth. After the FSA denudes the producers like locusts, they will all eventually starve to death. And Nevada is to arid and dry to feed itself. Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Santa Claus at December 04, 2012 11:01 PM

Southern California dies of thirst without water from the Colorado River

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 07:05 PM (wwsoB)

98 South. Padre. Bikinifest.

what? I'm up against multistate squadrons of Palinista loyalists!

Posted by: Texas at December 04, 2012 07:05 PM (EZl54)

99 Illinois would be eliminated in the first round.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:06 PM (Z9EHQ)

100 All we have is Mary Cloggenstein riding a cow.

Posted by: Vermont at December 04, 2012 07:07 PM (IDypm)

101 Rhode Island is in heap big trouble. As is Conneticutt

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 07:08 PM (jucos)

102 Southern California dies of thirst without water from the Colorado River
Electricity too.

And states north of CA could also cut off CA's supply of British Columbia hydro power.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 07:08 PM (jPVBi)

103

Ok, I spoke too soon about California. Sorry.

But who are the 144,000 households that are stubborn enough to stay there and fund that insanity if it's not the Hollywood rich? I find it hard to believe it's all hard working small business owners.

At what point do Progressive taxes actually start to hurt the Progressives? I want them to bleed and feel misery....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 04, 2012 07:08 PM (AC0lD)

104 Rhode Island is in heap big trouble. As is Conneticutt

Nah, CT has Groton and all its subs.

Posted by: Armando at December 04, 2012 07:09 PM (IDypm)

105

A lot of those "144,000 households" are in Silicon Valley. The overall wealth and cost of living is ridiculous.

But Jerry Brown, rocket scientist, is doing his very best to drive those people out of the state that they allegedly love.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Santa Claus at December 04, 2012 07:10 PM (Md8Uo)

106 Without Florida for other states to offload their perverts and geezers, your streets will become choked in grab ass and scooters.

Stock your green spaces with deadly animals; otherwise, we'll win by attrition.

Posted by: Jeb Seminole, Jr. at December 04, 2012 07:11 PM (I88Jc)

107 Hey , try to get all those fast attack boats out on I-80 and use them tactically.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Santa Claus at December 04, 2012 07:12 PM (Md8Uo)

108 I don't think CT is going to be helped by their Subs.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 07:12 PM (jucos)

109

Holy shit! is anyone watching the Victoria Secrets models? It's like Alice in Wonderland with boobehs. Sorry lost my train of thought.

Who will get Hawaii? Will it be wrong to drop defeated libtards from helicopters? "as God is my witness, I thought Libtards could fly.."

Posted by: Guido at December 04, 2012 07:14 PM (t2xha)

110 A lot of angry Hillbillies in KY. I don't think that Many states would do too well against them.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 07:15 PM (jucos)

111 I'm not reading all the comments. Because Myers & pineapple. But, good evening, morons!

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 04, 2012 07:15 PM (Ai+tZ)

112 Nah, CT has Groton and all its subs.

And they're going to do what with them? Fish?

The problem with just designating where stuff's based is that you need people to man your military equipment. If the people currently manning it bail for their own states, all bets are off. That's why I think a state like TX, which has a bunch of people who'd man the equipment makes more sense. CT's best bet is just using all the money from the finance guys based there to hire a bunch of mercenaries.

Can we add in alliances, though? Clearly a bunch of states would just ally with each other?

Posted by: AD at December 04, 2012 07:17 PM (bY3o+)

113 Oh, and in the 57 state fre for all, I go out by TKO in the 1st. Despite having enough kinetic and bladed weaponry to invade several African countries, and win in some of them, when PA and VA sandwich us, it's "say goodnight, Gracie". My only consolation is that I will have many servants in Valhalla.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 04, 2012 07:18 PM (Ai+tZ)

114 I heard justin bieber is modeling in the vs secret show.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:18 PM (Z9EHQ)

115 The active duty numbers are interesting:
Army 60,945Navy & Marine Corps 6,909Air Force 40,981Coast Guard 1,409Active Duty Military 108,835Reserve and National Guard 84,721Total Personnel 194,965

Posted by: The Republic of Texas Redux at December 04, 2012 07:18 PM (mjR67)

116 99 Illinois would be eliminated in the first round. Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 11:06 PM (Z9EHQ) It would ...decline to participate. Most everything south of Springfield would join MO, IN, KY, TN then join TX and AR. It would enthusiastically attack Shitcago.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 04, 2012 07:19 PM (pK3Rn)

117 In NYC, don't 40,000 tax payes pay 50% or 90% of the taxes? I know the 40k number is good, just don't remember the %

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 04, 2012 07:20 PM (2CiZb)

118 Sorry, formatting fail. I wonder how many military retirees live in Texas?

Posted by: no good deed at December 04, 2012 07:20 PM (mjR67)

119

118 Sorry, formatting fail. I wonder how many military retirees live in Texas?

Posted by: no good deed at December 04, 2012 11:20 PM (mjR67)

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All of them

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 07:21 PM (jucos)

120 Yes, no good deed, I was also thinking that the Southern and some Western states provide the most current recruits so they'd probably also have the most recent and older retirees too.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 07:21 PM (jPVBi)

121 Some thoughts on a second civil war:

1) California will be unable to expand east of the Rocky Mountains. They'll either have to attack through Arizona and New Mexico, which means facing off against Texas with very unfavorable conditions, with armored units, or trying to get forces over mountain passes that a single platoon can hold against a brigade. Either way is not fun. They'll take parts of Utah, but not much. Western Oregon will fall, but Eastern Oregon will likely be left to it's own devices.

2) I expect that Texas will take everything from Wyoming down to New Mexico, and then east all the way to the Mississippi River. This leaves them with a huge amount of farmland and natural resources.

3) Canada will grab what it can along it's southern border, probably including parts of Washington, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, and Michigan. Maybe even Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont.

4) New York will expand south and west, seizing Ohio and the surrounding region. They may even look to become an independent province of Canada.

5) The South will form a regional government, and likely look to unite, or at least ally themselves, with the Texas/Midwest government.

6) I expect that any civil war will see a surge in Mexican nationalists, including violence and uprisings in California, Texas and the SW. The Mexican Army will seize El Paso as the US Army withdraws.

Posted by: Alex at December 04, 2012 07:22 PM (HwgHt)

122 What would happen if the 50 states broke up? Let's dispense with the "no foreign intervention" schtick. Washington, Oregon, Alaska, California and Hawaii would all initially go the independent route. Montana, Idaho, Wyoming would form a coalition. Utah would maintain it's independence and absorb western Colorado and Eastern Nevada. Las Vegas would succeed and declare itself an independent state (50/50 chance that they'd be absorbed by California). Arizona & New Mexico would also go indie. Texas also. Many of the southern states outside of Florida would go the CSA route. The Farm belt states would form a coalition (including easter Colorado, leaving the left in Colorado with a rump state). Vermont and Maine would petition to join Canada. NH would go indie. MA, CT, and RI would form a New England confederation. Most of Illinois would succeed from Chicago. Michigan would kick out Detroit. The non-Chicago/non-Detroit states of Illinoi and Michigan would join with Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio in a confederation. Pennsylvanida will be paralyzed from the fighting between Philie and the rest of the state. New York state outside of NYC will try to break away, and NYC will try to keep their water supply and let the rest go. Then things get bad. Florida and Cuba get into a little war. Mexico tries to annex Arizona and New Mexico. The People's Republic of California will self-destruct and be quarantined by the rest of the state. Russia will invade Alaska. Eastern WA and OR will join the ID/MT/WY confederation. Seattle and hippie-Oregon areas will petition to join Canada. Hawaii will become a vassel state of Communist China. Texas and Arizona will be at war with Mexico. At this point the UN declares the U.S. to be a failed state and UN peacekeepers invade from Canada. Invaded areas will be "re-educated" and hundresd of thousands of Americans will be tried for "crimes" at the Would Court. Euopre becomes so weakened that a Muslim revolt succeeds. China turns California into a client state. A fragile peace settles over a broken America, with left-leaning areas being annihilated. The rest of what was America forms an alliance. Their socialist-free countries become economic powerhouses and set-up a large standing army to keep everyone else at bay.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 04, 2012 07:22 PM (sZTYJ)

123 It would enthusiastically attack Shitcago. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 04, 2012 11:19 PM (pK3Rn) I do hope you are right, it wold be nice to see chicago get what it deserves. hopefully nodak retains the ability to use their nukes and starts sanitizing large blue urban places. putting up parking lots in prime downtown locations.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:23 PM (Z9EHQ)

124 CA would split, north and south (and possibly east/west). Both OR and WA would split east/west, with the eastern side going with Idaho. I think there'd be enough infighting on the coast to rule all those states out. My money's on the south--they learn from their mistakes.

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 04, 2012 07:23 PM (uPhCY)

125 Well, AK could cut itself in half and make TX the third largest state! Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 10:56 PM (1OZSU) I nominate THIS! for the thread winner....

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 04, 2012 07:24 PM (2CiZb)

126 The 2nd civil war thing has major socioeconomic and cultural flaws. If you think for one second the Mormon mountain enclave of Utah Idaho, western Wyoming, western Colorado, western New Mexico and eastern Arizona is getting broken up by California you're brain dead. Regional groupings based on common religion, linguistics, economics would be the first things formed. Even if only based on mutual self interest. In such a scenario regional groupings would matter much more than state boundaries. For example Las Cruces, New Mexico would be much more likey to align with El Paso than Farmington, New Mexico.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 04, 2012 07:24 PM (gkfSV)

127 Las Vegas would succeed and declare itself an independent state (50/50 chance that they'd be absorbed by California)

I think Mr. House's Securitron bots would prevent that.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 04, 2012 07:24 PM (uhAkr)

128
WV would be hard with all the places a guerilla army could hide in

That's most of the US. Trying to fight a war in the Rocky Mountains or the Pacific Northwest would be just as ugly.

Posted by: Alex at December 04, 2012 07:25 PM (HwgHt)

129 TX (with NM and OK) might just ally itself with the northern Mexicans and leave the rest of the Union alone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_the_Rio_Grande

It starts around San Antonio; certainly by the time you get to Victoria and Beeville, and it extends to Saltillo and beyond This is a part of both nations with "united states" in their name that doesn't care so much for DC or the Cuidad de Mexico.

Posted by: zimriel at December 04, 2012 07:25 PM (QTHTd)

130 with armored units, or trying to get forces over mountain passes that a single platoon can hold against a brigade.
Unless an ugly troll shows the CA brigade a secret way through the pass to get behind them!

Posted by: bill maher's tiny dick at December 04, 2012 07:27 PM (jPVBi)

131 All we have is Mary Cloggenstein riding a cow. Posted by: Vermont at December 04, 2012 11:07 PM (IDypm) nope, that is a jack-ass she is riding on....

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 04, 2012 07:27 PM (2CiZb)

132 But who are the 144,000 households that are stubborn enough to stay there and fund that insanity if it's not the Hollywood rich? I find it hard to believe it's all hard working small business owners. At what point do Progressive taxes actually start to hurt the Progressives? I want them to bleed and feel misery.... Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 04, 2012 11:08 PM (AC0lD) California rich are hyper-leftists who have enough money that they can fork all that money over and still have enough over. They then use that money to keep the masses dependent and public employee unions will be used as their enforcers. In return for the money, the dependent class and the enforcer class will allow the elites to push their socially trans-formative socialism

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 04, 2012 07:28 PM (sZTYJ)

133 TX has the factories that build the F16, F18, F22, F35.... now can they get the aluminum and titanium to build them???

Posted by: Tuco at December 04, 2012 07:28 PM (0SXI6)

134 Music to get the troops motivated.
http://youtu.be/PUuyMd3r5Xk

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 07:29 PM (KMWgt)

135 The part of the "2nd Civil War" I didn't get - beyond the likelihood that the Nortenos would get ideas across the border (and I didn't even consider Alberta) - is that Indiana, western Kentucky, and southern Illinois opted to stay in the Union.

UNLIKELY.

Posted by: zimriel at December 04, 2012 07:29 PM (QTHTd)

136 But who are the 144,000 households that are stubborn enough to stay there and fund that insanity if it's not the Hollywood rich? I find it hard to believe it's all hard working small business owners.

At what point do Progressive taxes actually start to hurt the Progressives? I want them to bleed and feel misery.... Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 04, 2012 11:08 PM

Central Valley produce farms that CAN'T move out of state. Silicon Valley venture capitalists and internet millionaires who haven't felt a large enough bite yet, and exporters from the ports of Oakland and Los Angeles, if the strike at the latter doesn't permanently drive shippers south to Mexican ports

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 07:30 PM (wwsoB)

137 I believe new york city would declare itself capital of israel and become a nuclear power.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:31 PM (Z9EHQ)

138 with armored units, or trying to get forces over mountain passes that a single platoon can hold against a brigade. Unless an ugly troll shows the CA brigade a secret way through the pass to get behind them! Posted by: bill maher's tiny dick at December 04, 2012 11:27 PM (jPVBi) California for the most part wouldn't get past the Sierra Nevada. Arizona and Nevada would probably ally with Texas to seal off California's southeaster flank. You'd probably see a lot of "La Raza" backed genocide happening. The L.A. area would be a blood bath, and the liberal elite in California might end up getting slaughtered because being liberal doesn't mean you ain't still a Gringo.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 04, 2012 07:31 PM (sZTYJ)

139 3) Canada will grab what it can along it's southern border, probably including parts of Washington, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, and Michigan. Maybe even Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont..... Posted by: Alex at December 04, 2012 11:22 PM You take that back, I will not be a Canadian...and I'm not going to camp, either.

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 04, 2012 07:31 PM (JMmQ9)

140 kbdabear... are there any farms remaining in the Central Valley... aren't they dust now???

Posted by: phreshone at December 04, 2012 07:31 PM (0SXI6)

141 If you want to hurt the wealthy left you need to pay attention to that word, wealth, and push for a wealth tax, that's what will make them sing a different tune. They don't care about income because they have wealth, hit 'em where it hurts, wealth, not income.

Posted by: booger at December 04, 2012 07:32 PM (HI6wa)

142 i have to make a confession, i have watched several episodes of doomsday preppers. I am all for being prepared however these people are all going to be on my dining room table 60 days into whatever disaster they are preparing for.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:32 PM (Z9EHQ)

143 Y5 those Preppers violate Rule #1. Not be identified as Preppers.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 07:33 PM (KMWgt)

144 Maybe even Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont.
No. You guys can keep those but we will destroy their maple syrup industry before leaving. (And that will help the more-southerly, freedom-loving states.)

I don't know about NYS joining Hoserland in some way. I don't know if the usual (stupid) anti-American animus here would translate into specifically anti-NY animus. And I know, secretly at least even if people weren't willing to own up to it in public, people wouldn't be happy about any large numbers of black and Latino refugees. Although our Left would probably want to welcome them as a new leftist voting bloc.

Posted by: bill maher's tiny dick at December 04, 2012 07:34 PM (jPVBi)

145 I do not think canada would have much luck moving south, most of the states bordering canada have populations that would put up a pretty good fight against invaders.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:34 PM (Z9EHQ)

146 At this point the UN declares the U.S. to be a failed state and UN peacekeepers invade from Canada. Invaded areas will be "re-educated" and hundresd of thousands of Americans will be tried for "crimes" at the Would Court. Posted by: The Political Hat at December 04, 2012 11:22 PM (sZTYJ) Blue Helmets in ID? Man o man that is a hunting season that would not end. even the grannies would be hucking grenades at them....

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 04, 2012 07:36 PM (2CiZb)

147 Music to get the troops motivated.

Nice.

Posted by: zimriel at December 04, 2012 07:37 PM (QTHTd)

148 UN rent-a-soldiers from Fiji and Jordan slogging through Vermont. That would end badly.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 07:37 PM (KMWgt)

149 re: "In NYC, don't 40,000 tax payes pay 50% or 90% of the taxes? I know the 40k number is good, just don't remember the % "

40k is the per capita income of Manhattan--and the median household income there is...also 40k. That's an unusual enough stat to make a "40,000" get stuck in somebody's head.

The thing is, not many high-income people actually live there. It's more broke drudges and wealthy-beyond-taxation Bloomberg types than people with decent jobs. So the income tax distribution is probably strange.

Anecdotally, the one high-income friend I have there, he lives in a TV-show-set-in-Manhattan type apartment that, because he Knows A Guy, he gets a tax credit for renting it, and it fully offsets his city income tax.

It's Chinatown.

Posted by: oblig. at December 04, 2012 07:37 PM (cePv8)

150 Why does Firefox (I guess they are the ones responsible) keep asking me if I want to visit ace.EU.nu when I try to type in the Ace of Spades web address? I don't think there is an ace.EU!

Posted by: SEM at December 04, 2012 07:38 PM (Z4nQ1)

151 TX has the factories that build the F16, F18, F22, F35.... now can they get the aluminum and titanium to build them???

Aluminum might be a problem (unless you can get bauxite from Jamaica), but I've read about titanium ore (ilmenite) mines in Florida and Georgia.

Posted by: Armando at December 04, 2012 07:38 PM (IDypm)

152 I do not think canada would have much luck moving south, most of the states bordering canada have populations that would put up a pretty good fight against invaders.

Actually, I expect many of the state governments to actively seek Canadian protection. If you were North Dakota would you prefer to try and survive on your own, or become a province of Canada and be safe to continue exporting oil and gas? The same with Washington state. I don't expect the Canadian government to be in the mood to seize too much, but there will be pressure to create a buffer between Canada's major population centers and the fighting in the US.

Posted by: Alex at December 04, 2012 07:39 PM (HwgHt)

153 Y5 those Preppers violate Rule #1. Not be identified as Preppers. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 11:33 PM (KMWgt) indeed anna. I saw an episode earlier about a guy with a seven hundred acre spread with a lot of good infrastructure. instead of siting his house in the center of the property he put it on a corner as close to the road as possible. he had some of duty cops pretend to invade his house so he could see how his home defense plan performed. his plan was to have himself, his wife, teenage daughter, 12 year old son, and 8 year old son exit the home and either take up defensive positions or mosey on around his spread looking for intruders.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:39 PM (Z9EHQ)

154 Seattle and hippie-Oregon areas will petition to join Canada.
Yech! No, thanks. Although it might be doable if they took Vancouver, BC with them.

And come on, Alton Jackson, you'll love going to camp all year round just like kids. (Kids working 12-hour days in the maple sugar factories admittedly but like kids nonetheless.)

Posted by: bill maher's tiny dick at December 04, 2012 07:40 PM (jPVBi)

155 I do not think canada would have much luck moving south, most of the states bordering canada have populations that would put up a pretty good fight against invaders.

I don't think Canada would want to invade south except to reclaim the Stanley Cup.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 04, 2012 07:40 PM (uhAkr)

156 The whole 50 states war breaks down on the logistics alone, due to power grids, highways, waterways, and the need for commerce beyond borders in order to keep their own economies functioning.

Then there's families like mine that a few years ago whose members were in 5 different states.

Does a family who lives in Florida fight their relatives in New York or Michigan? Does someone in Texas fight California relatives?

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 07:40 PM (wwsoB)

157 Actually, I expect many of the state governments to actively seek Canadian protection. If you were North Dakota would you prefer to try and survive on your own, or become a province of Canada and be safe to continue exporting oil and gas? The same with Washington state. I don't expect the Canadian government to be in the mood to seize too much, but there will be pressure to create a buffer between Canada's major population centers and the fighting in the US. Posted by: Alex at December 04, 2012 11:39 PM (HwgHt) I thought nodak as a country was the third or so largest nuclear power.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:40 PM (Z9EHQ)

158 Given the fact the Calidetroita has scrubbed most of it's military off the face of the map, the CHI-COMS will see this as a new "OPEN DOOR" policy and take the full advantage. Hope you latte-sippin metro-sexual's in Santa Monica are boning up on rice bowl dialect. San Francisco...sorry, you will just get the first big flash and then the melting....no loss, the REAL Californian's will be up in the mountians sizing up the next play, with pipelines of hardware coming in from.....THEEH thought you would get me to spill that did ya??!!!

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 07:40 PM (Pa+AE)

159 And it's a bit difficult to read the link in the 2nd Civil War link if you need Farcebook and Twatter accounts to access them and you don't have either. **** In the tiny print there's an option to sign up with your email address. I have a twitter account but given that you have to allow them to edit your profile AND send tweets from your address, I opted to skip that option.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 07:40 PM (piMMO)

160 well if thisd mo fo bust up we need to invade Mexico,so mexicans go back and fight for their homeland...

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 04, 2012 07:41 PM (2CiZb)

161 TX has the factories that build the F16, F18, F22, F35.... now can they get the aluminum and titanium to buildpum them??? Aluminum might be a problem (unless you can get bauxite from Jamaica), but I've read about titanium ore (ilmenite) mines in Florida and Georgia. Posted by: Armando at December 04, 2012 11:38 PM (IDypm) since they have all those helium reserves they could use steel and pump helium into every nook and cranny.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:41 PM (Z9EHQ)

162 Close to the road? If he did not have shrubs along the perimeter. All thugs like MS-13 would need to do is keep hosing that house down from the street. Reload and see if anything moves. If something moves shoot again. Then walk over them

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 07:41 PM (KMWgt)

163 I thought nodak as a country was the third or so largest nuclear power.

Nukes are going to be of limited value. You can't hold territory, and delivery will be tricky, especially if you only have ICBMs that are built to shoot at targets on the far side of the globe.

Posted by: Alex at December 04, 2012 07:42 PM (HwgHt)

164 Washington State and coastal Oregon and Maine - are all Anglo. The US heartland is German and Dixie is Celtic, but those three states are English. They'd beg on their hands and knees to be accepted as Her Majesty's Subjects again.

Utah is Anglo too but it's also Mormon, and they have their own culture to defend.

Posted by: zimriel at December 04, 2012 07:42 PM (QTHTd)

165 Blue Helmets in a heavily armed nation with no laws and many with military experience?

They'd hide in their barracks until the barracks themselves were attacked, then they'd desert

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 07:42 PM (wwsoB)

166 /so the Census map tells me, anyway

Posted by: zimriel at December 04, 2012 07:42 PM (QTHTd)

167 123 It would enthusiastically attack Shitcago. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 04, 2012 11:19 PM (pK3Rn) I do hope you are right, it wold be nice to see chicago get what it deserves. hopefully nodak retains the ability to use their nukes and starts sanitizing large blue urban places. putting up parking lots in prime downtown locations. Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 11:23 PM (Z9EHQ) Very little love for Shitcago or Springfield, down here. What little there is would be .......... . ...silenced. The escapees from Crook County tend to leave their bullshit in Crook County. No major cities and no problem with fReEsHitArMy!!!1111. A Civil War 2.0? The tiny progressive enclave of Carbondale would be wiped out, rather quickly and Cairo would simply die, eating itself. Cut off I-57 at or around Effingham. There are numerous good anti-armor ambush points in that area. Use I-64 to establish commerce with Southern Indiana and Missouri. St Louis/E.St. Louis will eat itself. Go in and pick up the pieces. Instantly ally with KY, TN and the new CSA.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 04, 2012 07:42 PM (pK3Rn)

168

Posted by: phreshone at December 04, 2012 11:31 PM (0SXI6)

Central Valley Calif? Lots of farms... on the East side... Problem is not enough to feed ALL of California... so if Califonia split off.... it would then split UP IMO... as the Productive North, would not want to feed the nonproductive South...

And yes, I live smack in the Middle of Central Valley California...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2012 07:42 PM (lZBBB)

169 #154 Oops. Off dripping, syphilitic sock.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 07:43 PM (jPVBi)

170 Given the fact the Calidetroita has scrubbed most of it's military off the face of the map, the CHI-COMS will see this as a new "OPEN DOOR" policy and take the full advantage. Hope you latte-sippin metro-sexual's in Santa Monica are boning up on rice bowl dialect. San Francisco...sorry, you will just get the first big flash and then the melting....no loss, the REAL Californian's will be up in the mountians sizing up the next play, with pipelines of hardware coming in from.....THEEH thought you would get me to spill that did ya??!!!

The Chinese don't have the capability to project their forces across the Pacific. They're most likely play is to invade Central Asia and drive towards the Caspian Sea.

Posted by: Alex at December 04, 2012 07:44 PM (HwgHt)

171 If there's any kind of breakdown and breakup, it's far more likely that it wouldn't go according to state boundaries but consist of three groupings

1. Inner city urban
2. Suburbs
3. Rural and small towns/cities

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 07:44 PM (wwsoB)

172 re: "In NYC, don't 40,000 tax payes pay 50% or 90% of the taxes? I know the 40k number is good, just don't remember the % " 40k is the per capita income of Manhattan--and the median household income there is...also 40k. That's an unusual enough stat to make a "40,000" get stuck in somebody's head. The thing is, not many high-income people actually live there. It's more broke drudges and wealthy-beyond-taxation Bloomberg types than people with decent jobs. So the income tax distribution is probably strange. Anecdotally, the one high-income friend I have there, he lives in a TV-show-set-in-Manhattan type apartment that, because he Knows A Guy, he gets a tax credit for renting it, and it fully offsets his city income tax. It's Chinatown. Posted by: oblig. at December 04, 2012 11:37 PM (cePv

according to little mike bloomberg one percent of new yorkers pay 50 percent of the taxes, which is why he keeps telling the city council to lay off ideas of taxing the rich more - they will move out of the city like he is going to when his term is done

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:44 PM (Z9EHQ)

173 165 Blue Helmets in a heavily armed nation with no laws and many with military experience? Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 11:42 PM (wwsoB) Verrrry foolish. They would die, rather quickly.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 04, 2012 07:45 PM (pK3Rn)

174 SE ID would seceed and join mormon UT. so would parts of WY, NV, AZ and CO. Not sure on MT

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 04, 2012 07:46 PM (2CiZb)

175 Some countries rent their soldiers to the UN to get some hard cash. Hessians.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 07:46 PM (KMWgt)

176 Verrrry foolish. They would die, rather quickly.

Come here little girl...

AAARRRGHH!

You shot me?! You shot me, you little brat!

Posted by: Some UN Peacekeeper at December 04, 2012 07:46 PM (HwgHt)

177 I do not think canada would have much luck moving south, most of the states bordering canada have populations that would put up a pretty good fight against invaders.
But we'd conquer you with kindness. Kindness and free doughnuts.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 07:46 PM (jPVBi)

178 my big concern is if chicago is not immediately wiped out there is going to be a chicago - detroit - gary axis forming.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:46 PM (Z9EHQ)

179 Y5, who has the B-52s with all the 500lb bombs would take care of that threat. Arc Light anyone.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 07:48 PM (KMWgt)

180 But the putative war is about ideology, correcto? Therefore, if your cousin is a NaZi (National Socialist), you can't succor him or her. Their state does that. If they break down and swear fealty to our caus eof God-given Liberty, then maybe (especially if they bring ammo, antibiotics, tomatoes, or home-made wine). http://youtu.be/I4s0nzsU1Wg Speaking of which, MOUT is tricky for an occupier. On the other hand, all too soon you may lose out to the criminal element (The Democrat Party, Crips, Bloods, Muslim B'hood, etc.) and the nastier truths of urban infrastructure. (Yeah, it flushes, but the effluent debouches in your mother-in-law's apartment. Live with that, if you can.)

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 07:48 PM (1V6Pv)

181

Bottom line,

We will fight to retore what the CONSTITUTION said we should fight for.

Our Founding Father's KNEW this might come up some day. THAT'S why they wrote it down for ALL to see. We have our blueprint to make this right.

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 07:48 PM (Pa+AE)

182 [checks] huh. I thought there were more Anglos in WA and coastal OR than there, apparently, are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry_of_the_people_of_the_United_States

I did correctly call Maine as (still) English, and Dixie as "American" which means Scots-Irish.

Posted by: zimriel at December 04, 2012 07:48 PM (QTHTd)

183 Isn't this whole scenario moot since it'll be the Living vs The Walking Dead?

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 07:48 PM (wwsoB)

184 hi all
ugh

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2012 07:49 PM (d/5qf)

185 tomorrow's lone SCOTUS decision: http://bit.ly/WIgpVb

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 07:49 PM (piMMO)

186 Happy Tuesday, all y'all The Good News: The floor is painted.... The Bad News: the light taupe is more like a butterscotch ...

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 07:49 PM (gh+mp)

187 I am hoping for a little time to do some cold weather camping this year. Practice fighting the canadians.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:50 PM (Z9EHQ)

188 the Irish army earns Big Bucks hiring itself out the the U.N.

Before all the 'Celtic Tiger' growth of the 90s, it was a significant source of income for a then-relatively poor country. Also, good training for dealing with the Black & Tans and the Auxilliaries

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at December 04, 2012 07:51 PM (Dll6b)

189 Black AND Tans. ( not the same as the Auxilliaries )

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at December 04, 2012 07:52 PM (Dll6b)

190 if there is a state free-for-all, then Missouri is screwed, that much is for certain

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2012 07:52 PM (d/5qf)

191 That will be the irony. IF the US does fall apart. There goes 25% of the UN's funding. So the kleptocrats in Turtle Bay might not be able to send any troops beyond protecting themselves.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 07:52 PM (KMWgt)

192 He went thru all that trouble and Seattle was the center of the North East Union?!

Posted by: t-bird at December 04, 2012 07:53 PM (FcR7P)

193 California would have a huge zombie population to deal with

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2012 07:53 PM (wwsoB)

194 Why does Firefox (I guess they are the ones responsible) keep asking me if I want to visit ace.EU.nu when I try to type in the Ace of Spades web address? I don't think there is an ace.EU!

That's adblock doing that, click no and it should stop.

Posted by: booger at December 04, 2012 07:53 PM (HI6wa)

195 Agreed. California will not survive. No water. Not nearly enough food (they grow a lot of bullshit like lettuce, but the real calories come from the Midwest and Great Plains). Canada also does not survive. They're basically a leech attached to the Northern tier of states, and have essentially no ability to defend themselves (the Canadians have good soldiers, but they don't have nearly enough of them). Something like 90% of them live within a hundred miles of the U.S. border. Best outcome: they get absorbed by one of the new nations. Worst outcome: Alberta through Manitoba become People's Collective Wheat Farm #235. How to take over Canada in easy steps: 1) Bomb Toronto flat. Likewise Ottawa, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Calgary... 2) Bomb all bridges on the Trans-Canada Highway and CN railroad. 3) Bomb all hydro dams and pipelines. 4) Wait one winter. 5) Move in and shoot the few remaining starving, cannibalistic survivors.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at December 04, 2012 07:53 PM (OqWMe)

196 BC, do you follow Manly Asshole on twitter? I m so ashamed that he makes me laugh like I do.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 07:54 PM (piMMO)

197 .....the Auxiliary Division of the Royal Irish Constabulary.

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at December 04, 2012 07:54 PM (Dll6b)

198 WRT Chicago, Detroit, etc. I'd expect cordons of heavily-armed farmers surrounding the cities to keep anyone from coming out.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at December 04, 2012 07:55 PM (OqWMe)

199

184

Yup Jeff,

Stuff we would have been calling Ka-Ka-Ka RAZY just 5 years ago.

So now what......

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 07:55 PM (Pa+AE)

200 98 what? I'm up against multistate squadrons of Palinista loyalists! Yippie-Ki-Yi-Yay, y'know?

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2012 07:55 PM (sdi6R)

201 Y5, who has the B-52s with all the 500lb bombs would take care of that threat. Arc Light anyone. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 11:48 PM (KMWgt) I am not sure where the buffs are anna I think they are nodak and LA

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:55 PM (Z9EHQ)

202 Great, Jerry Jack. Now I've got "Johnson's Motor Car" running through my head.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 07:55 PM (jPVBi)

203 Why does Firefox (I guess they are the ones responsible) keep asking me if I want to visit ace.EU.nu when I try to type in the Ace of Spades web address? I don't think there is an ace.EU! **** Last week signaled the end of FF for me. I'm on Chrome now (at the advice of morons). It took a couple of days to get used to but I have very few glitches now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 07:55 PM (piMMO)

204 I am hoping for a little time to do some cold weather camping this year. Practice fighting the canadians.
Remember: you'll need good water discipline just like you're in a desert; and try not to sweat too much.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 07:56 PM (jPVBi)

205 Addition to the "Take over Canada" scenario: mine the St. Lawrence Seaway or else just put a couple of destroyers in there.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at December 04, 2012 07:57 PM (OqWMe)

206 Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 11:55 PM (jPVBi)

many outlawed tunes, there were. But there's always whiskey in the jar....

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at December 04, 2012 07:57 PM (Dll6b)

207 I know how to deal with CA in one easy move:

Follow Lex Luthor's original plan from Superman 1. Detonate a nuke under the San Andreas fault line and make Nevada beachfront property.

Posted by: EC at December 04, 2012 07:58 PM (doBIb)

208 ugh

how

Posted by: Fauxcahontas at December 04, 2012 07:58 PM (WOJXF)

209 I saw Ace talking earlier about Hollywood, and about shows on FX, and I wanted to share my thoughts on the subject. FX has some really good sitcoms, IMO. I'm in the process of haunting my local Best Buy to get at least the first season of every FX sitcom, as they're on sale cheap there. Here's what I've seen so far:

The League (seasons 1-3): My favorite so far. I like fantasy football, and these guys talk trash a lot more than we do in my league, but it's very funny. It's also looking like the raunchiest of the FX sitcoms. I've seen nudity and simulated sex, in addition to lots of cussing and people just being sort of horrible. Some of you aren't into that; I understand that, and it's cool. I've also seen a couple of Moron Horde in-jokes on the show, which I found most delightful. Specifically, I've seen a pointy elbows joke and a sex with garbage joke, both in season 3. Big thumbs up in my book.

Archer (seasons 1-2): Animated James Bond spoof. Also hilarious. Pretty raunchy, and, yeah, again, everyone's a horrible person. The writers' understanding of basic geopolitical knowledge is surprisingly accurate. They correctly point out that Fidel Castro hates gay people way more than anyone of the American right does, for example. Good stuff overall; another thumbs up from me.

Louie (season 1): It's, um, Louis CK being Louis CK. Sometimes it's really funny; sometimes it's just disturbing. It seems to tend more toward the latter. He spends the entirety of one episode straight-up stalking a woman who has zero interest in him, and has no problem telling him so. He continues to stalk her. At the end of that episode, he's rewarded for it with sex from her sister. Overall, I give the series a thumbs down.

It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia (season 1 and part of season 2): It's like a slightly raunchier Seinfeld. Three longtime friends own a dive bar, with the sister of one of them working as a waitress there. The four of them get into all sorts of trouble trying to improve their situation through underhanded means. They fight amongst themselves a lot, but they remain friends through it all. It's a lot of fun so far. Thumbs up.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 07:58 PM (RLZvP)

210 I would hope that the UN would realize that parts of Virginia wouldn't quite take a visit from them to well. With the way the moonshiners in Franklin County dealt with the revenue collection agents, I doubt that the blue helmets would last very long. Plus out in western Virginia, there are some hollers that some of those blue helmets would disappear in.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 04, 2012 07:58 PM (Zd/NW)

211 That will be the irony. IF the US does fall apart. There goes 25% of the UN's funding. So the kleptocrats in Turtle Bay might not be able to send any troops beyond protecting themselves. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 11:52 PM (KMWgt) I think having the US break up may be the worst thing for the international America haters. So long as the red states did not get nuked in the first few years by the commies it would likely have the effect of freeing up a lot of "yankee ingenuity" and stifiled capitalist energy which would ride roughshod across the globe having it way with socialist and communist countries everywhere.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 07:59 PM (Z9EHQ)

212 I still have armies in Iowa !!!

Posted by: Newman at December 04, 2012 07:59 PM (wwsoB)

213

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at December 04, 2012 11:53 PM (OqWMe)

Northern Califonia could survive.... as long as it did not ship food and water South... its the leeches South of the Grapevine which would kill the State...

But... defend THREE passes from North to South? Grapevine, Coast, and Tehachapi? and you could cut the South off...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2012 07:59 PM (lZBBB)

214 Jake in ID When the Mormons were driven from Illinois/Missouri and ended up in Utah Brigham Young sent pioneers to settle migration routes from Utah to Northern Mexico, Canada and San Diego in case they were forced to leave in a rush again. Long story short no MT to mormonistan as the Canada route of last resort was the panhandle Palouse. Also heaven help the poor brigade of San Franciscans that was order to attack Salt Lake City across the Great Basin. They would all be dead before they hit Wells, NV. Mormons were driven from their homes at gunpoint once good luck to anyone trying that again.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 04, 2012 07:59 PM (gkfSV)

215 I saw Ace talking earlier about Hollywood, and about shows on FX, and I wanted to share my thoughts on the subject. FX has some really good sitcoms, IMO. I'm in the process of haunting my local Best Buy to get at least the first season of every FX sitcom, as they're on sale cheap there. Here's what I've seen so far:

You forgot Justified. Nick Searcy is a moron commentor here. Season 4 should be starting in the new year.

Posted by: EC at December 04, 2012 07:59 PM (doBIb)

216

I have "Firefox-3."

Some great insight on building shelter and banjo's....among other great insights on being...you know..."Handy!"

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 08:00 PM (Pa+AE)

217 You are correct, yankeefifth. Barksdale, AFB in Bossier City, LA. and Minot, AFB, ND.

Posted by: no good deed at December 04, 2012 08:00 PM (mjR67)

218 Oh and Ukraine is not weak!

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 04, 2012 08:00 PM (gkfSV)

219 You forgot Justified. Nick Searcy is a moron commentor here. Season 4 should be starting in the new year. **** I love that he pulls no punches on twitter. Calls a spade a spade.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:00 PM (piMMO)

220 I love that he pulls no punches on twitter. Calls a spade a spade.

Nick's the fuckin' man!

Posted by: EC at December 04, 2012 08:01 PM (doBIb)

221 #215: Haven't seen Justified yet. I'll look into it. Thanks for the tip!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 08:01 PM (RLZvP)

222 You are correct, yankeefifth. Barksdale, AFB in Bossier City, LA. and Minot, AFB, ND. Posted by: no good deed at December 05, 2012 12:00 AM (mjR67) I could live in either one. I prefer the weather in nodak but the only thing bleaker than winter in nodak is summer.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 08:02 PM (Z9EHQ)

223 Haven't seen Justified yet. I'll look into it. Thanks for the tip! *** Start at the beginning

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:02 PM (piMMO)

224 TX and OK have fucktons of oil and gas. International bartering will supply the metals

Posted by: Soona at December 04, 2012 08:03 PM (59hZI)

225 I know how to deal with CA in one easy move: Follow Lex Luthor's original plan from Superman 1. Detonate a nuke under the San Andreas fault line and make Nevada beachfront property. Posted by: EC at December 04, 2012 11:58 PM (doBIb) Me likey!

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 04, 2012 08:03 PM (sZTYJ)

226 I love that he pulls no punches on twitter. Calls a spade a spade. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 05, 2012 12:00 AM (piMMO) I know a guy who nearly got fired for using that phrase. some interpreted the phrase in a racial way.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 08:03 PM (Z9EHQ)

227 Start at the beginning

A very good place to start.

Posted by: Oscar Hammerstein at December 04, 2012 08:03 PM (WOJXF)

228 I know a guy who nearly got fired for using that phrase. some interpreted the phrase in a racial way. **** Well, of course.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:04 PM (piMMO)

229 by the way I found my paraffin no thanks to any of y'all that were around on last night's thread.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 08:04 PM (Z9EHQ)

230 @210 Because we live here! http://preview.tinyurl.com/aua7aga "Strangers ain't come down from Rocky Top, reckon they never will."

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 08:05 PM (1V6Pv)

231 Well, of course. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 05, 2012 12:04 AM (piMMO) funny thing is he's black

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 08:05 PM (Z9EHQ)

232 All true Floridians love the sting of battle...although the frequent nighttime awakenings do tax the morale.

Posted by: Col. Jeb Seminole, Jr. at December 04, 2012 08:05 PM (I88Jc)

233 "Northern Califonia could survive.... as long as it did not ship food and water South..." Hmm..possible.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at December 04, 2012 08:05 PM (OqWMe)

234 I'm on Chrome now (at the advice of morons). It took a couple of days to get used to but I have very few glitches now.

We know.

Posted by: Google at December 04, 2012 08:06 PM (d/5qf)

235 #223: Thanks, NDH! I'll keep that in mind. I have been starting with the first season of all those shows; they're where it begins, and they're all dirt-cheap at Best Buy. I don't have cable, so I won't be trying to jump in halfway through season 5 on anything.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 08:06 PM (RLZvP)

236 prop prepper tip, when you store your valu-rite instead of a screw cap simply stuff a cotton rag in as a stopper.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 08:07 PM (Z9EHQ)

237 1) Bomb Toronto flat.
Wait for me to get out first, at least.

And remember the scenario is about separate states (or federations of states as suggested here) and not a united America reacting.

Are your northern midwest and western states all that populous too? And populous states like NY and IL might have more to worry about from their south than their north.

Assuming there'd be a fair bit of warning time we could probably build nukes in time (at least dirty bombs and those could be done quickly); Britain's nukes on our side might happen; and destroying our infrastructure like hydro, natural gas and oil (especially the hydro) would hurt your states alot too.

And no I don't think we'd be trying to pick up any U.S. states to start a war anyway. Although maybe allowing smaller states in like from New England or the NW corner to join might be possible although I don't know how likely.

I think we'd mainly be worried about refugees.

I don't know if Mexico would be stupid enough to get involved directly but maybe they'd work indirectly to push the La Raza agenda.

And now to catch up on all the comments I've missed spending 15 minutes typing this and having a couple of drinks.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 08:08 PM (jPVBi)

238 146.
Blue Helmets in ID?

Man o man that is a hunting season that would not end. even the grannies would be hucking grenades at them....

Jake.....The bastards will just hang out in Sun Valley at Kerry's house.

Owl

Posted by: owlpellets at December 04, 2012 08:08 PM (dmEoV)

239 if someone on the thread does get their hands on the buffs in the state on state cage match please do not send them against detroit, no one would know the difference anyway.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 08:09 PM (Z9EHQ)

240 "and not a united America reacting" Sorry... I wasn't talking about America necessarily. I was thinking of what the Chinese might do after America was no longer there to get in the way. Y'all have a lot of good farm land and natural resources, and they have a lot of people. It's interesting, though, that Canadians seem to reflexively see the U.S. as their biggest threat.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at December 04, 2012 08:10 PM (OqWMe)

241 Sorry... I wasn't talking about America necessarily. I was thinking of what the Chinese might do after America was no longer there to get in the way. Y'all have a lot of good farm land and natural resources, and they have a lot of people. It's interesting, though, that Canadians seem to reflexively see the U.S. as their biggest threat. Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at December 05, 2012 12:10 AM (OqWMe) I think the chinese are more interested in australia and new zealand

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 08:12 PM (Z9EHQ)

242 Yes, start at the beginning for Justified. It's a great series all the way through.

And I was going to suggest Harlan County would be a pretty tough nut to crack for any UN peacekeeping force even before Justified was mentioned.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 08:12 PM (jPVBi)

243 It's interesting, though, that Canadians seem to reflexively see the U.S. as their biggest threat.

Well, we did kinda, sorta burn down Toronto the last time we went to war...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_York

Posted by: Armando at December 04, 2012 08:13 PM (IDypm)

244 It's interesting, though, that Canadians seem to reflexively see the U.S. as their biggest threat.

Funny how that might be.

Posted by: Isaac Brock at December 04, 2012 08:13 PM (QTHTd)

245

I don't know that anyone, other than possibly California, gives Texas a run for its money in Civil War 2.0. Why? Refineries. Texas has more refineries than any other state, and could make a quick grab of Louisiana, which would give Texas control over nearly 50 refineries, including the four largest in the U.S., and well over 1/3 of all of the refining in the U.S.

Without foreign intervention, the inability to produce and refine gasoline is going to be a major hindrance to a number of states, including Virginia (0 active refineries); New York (0 refineries); and Florida (0 refineries).

Posted by: Boone at December 04, 2012 08:13 PM (tIyK2)

246 "Well, we did kinda, sorta burn down Toronto the last time we went to war.." Canada wasn't even a country then. That war was with the British Empire. The United States and Canada have never been at war (there have been some border squabbles, but that's about it). We did screw Mexico pretty hard, though, I'll admit that.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at December 04, 2012 08:15 PM (OqWMe)

247 Canada will not do anything. Their active duty military is the same size as the MN National Guard. Not joking, around 16k pax. Good troops, I did the maple defender exercise up there with them a couple years ago. Also, ten years ago they de-milled all of their leopard tanks and they have to rent their chinook choppers from the dutch to use in a-stan because they don't have any of their own.

Posted by: Assassin6 at December 04, 2012 08:15 PM (FfukH)

248 Boone, also the Floridans would probably join with TX anyway - excepting that southern tip, which would swiftly get invaded and relieved of its Obama-voters.

Posted by: zimriel at December 04, 2012 08:16 PM (QTHTd)

249

And Rice? She addressed the country five days after the Benghazi attacks, at a time when the classified reporting was filled with information about the al Qaeda ties of the attackers. Was it another failure to communicate? Or was she sent out to sell a story she knew wasnÂ’t true?

Â“She was far too ready to go on and be a political operative,Â” says Corker. RiceÂ’s appearance came a little more than a week after the Democratic convention, where speaker after speaker praised the president for crippling al Qaeda and bringing the war on terror to an overdue end.

As Obama said himself: Â“WeÂ’ve blunted the TalibanÂ’s momentum in Afghanistan, and in 2014, our longest war will be over. A new tower rises above the New York skyline, al Qaeda is on the path to defeat, and Osama bin Laden is dead.Â”

How would it look if a group Â“on the path to defeatÂ” staged a sophisticated attack that took the life of a U.S. ambassador? Not great. We end, then, where we startedÂ—with lots of questions. Who wrote the talking points? Who edited them? Why? And why have top U.S. officials had so much trouble simply telling us what happened? The truth is rarely so complicated.

Stephen F. Hayes is a senior writer at The Weekly Standard.

read the whole thing

Posted by: thunderb at December 04, 2012 08:17 PM (Dnbau)

250 The thing linked in the OP is incredibly stupid. It is the sort of thing you'd see in a board game, not the real world. What the hell is Maryland doing grouped with Virginia? Here is a better analysis: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2011/04/01/americas-children/

Posted by: Rollory at December 04, 2012 08:17 PM (JQfEq)

251 I think Texas has around 5 billion barrels of proven reserves and at least twenty oil refineries.

Posted by: no good deed at December 04, 2012 08:17 PM (mjR67)

252 I like the way FX is run. Their shows are mostly really entertaining, and they sell full seasons on DVD for much less than "free" networks like CBS charge.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 08:18 PM (RLZvP)

253

sorry about the unreadable mess

Posted by: thunderb at December 04, 2012 08:19 PM (Dnbau)

254 We did screw Mexico pretty hard, though, I'll admit that.

In fairness, the Comanches had invited pretty much the whole northern half of Mexico to the Number Six Dance just a few years before. And that part of Mexico didn't really give a damn about defending Central Mexico.

I think Monterrey put up a fight. I can't recall anywhere else en route to the capital that wanted to fight or, by that point, could fight.

Posted by: zimriel at December 04, 2012 08:19 PM (QTHTd)

255 "I think the chinese are more interested in australia and new zealand" Not enough calories coming out of there. Oh, they'd fall to the Chinese as well, but that wouldn't make Canada safe.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at December 04, 2012 08:20 PM (OqWMe)

256 Southern Border, is it too pollyanna-ish to hope that Mexico has her own issues that could redound ofr the side of God-given Liberty? "For Greater Glory" (2012), an excellent movie, was based on a true story. Northern Border. "Canada" is a narrow swath between the northern tier of U.S. states (our long and scenic northern border), and the majority native population area north of about 55-degrees north latitude. Just say, "No gas/no diesel/no heating oil/no .303 ammo" and you've really changed things. Oh, and no fur trapping, don't eat the caribou (Strontium 90, doncha know) nor the pickerel (the biggest ones are the females! You don't want them to lay eggs?!?). Oh, and no outhouses/no woodstoves. Save the, um, er, planet.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 08:20 PM (1V6Pv)

257 I thought of a new nickname for John Boehner yesterday. From now on, I will be referring to him as The Orange Mandarin.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 08:21 PM (RLZvP)

258 Sorry... I wasn't talking about America necessarily. I was thinking of what the Chinese might do after America was no longer there to get in the way. Y'all have a lot of good farm land and natural resources, and they have a lot of people.

It's interesting, though, that Canadians seem to reflexively see the U.S. as their biggest threat.
Sorry, I misread you. I don't think the Chinese, as someone mentioned above about them seizing CA, have the navy to do that... yet.

And apparently in Oz even the leftie Australian Labor Party agrees that if they're ever not under the U.S. nuclear umbrella that they'll make their own nukes. And maybe the Royal Navy will flee to Oz (and Canada?) after the muzzies take over so that would help them too. The rest of SEATO would be around too and maybe India would go after the Chinese too especially if the Chinese were stretched too far trying to make their own Pan-Asian C-Prosperity Sphere.

BTW, these all sound like some good wargaming scenarios whether map-based or model-soldier based (or mixed).

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 08:21 PM (jPVBi)

259 'Hardcore Pawn' is an example of our future. Go Team Entitled To Free Shit Army!!! 'what u mean...it sez free gold! Gimme my gold bitch!

Posted by: RWC at December 04, 2012 08:22 PM (sqp6o)

260 @257 The Orange Mandarin. (!) That's really good!

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 08:24 PM (1V6Pv)

261 PW, I don't know if you've ever seen it, but one of my favorite sitcoms of all time is The Bernie Mack Show. Well written, well acted, easy to relate to, and really funny. I can only imagine it's on DVD for cheap.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:24 PM (piMMO)

262 "The Orange Mandarin"

Is that the fruit of a weeping willow?

Posted by: Jeb Seminole, Esq. at December 04, 2012 08:24 PM (I88Jc)

263 Oops. Missed the "o" in "Co-Prosperity".

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 08:24 PM (jPVBi)

264 We did screw Mexico pretty hard, though, I'll admit that. not enough cuz they are invading us now... The Boise airport is bilingual with mexican jabbered over the intorcom system Idaho borders Canada, krikes!!!!

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 04, 2012 08:25 PM (2CiZb)

265 Field Marshal Chumlee would take care of those Hardcore Pawn dicks and their customers!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 08:26 PM (jPVBi)

266 mexico schmexico. I am moving to Texas and after I get settled I plan on adding to the republic by moving southward - and I am not looking for tenants. Let them cross their southern border for a change.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 08:26 PM (Z9EHQ)

267 Thanks, Thorvald! I hope it catches on.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 08:27 PM (RLZvP)

268 Bernie Mack was pretty funny, NDH! I haven't thought about his old sitcom in a while. Thanks for the reminder! I'll look for that next time I'm shopping for cheap shows on DVD.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 08:29 PM (RLZvP)

269 someone should put this thread out of its misery.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 08:31 PM (Z9EHQ)

270 Speaking of which, MOUT is tricky for an occupier. On the other hand, all too soon you may lose out to the criminal element (The Democrat Party, Crips, Bloods, Muslim B'hood, etc.) and the nastier truths of urban infrastructure. (Yeah, it flushes, but the effluent debouches in your mother-in-law's apartment. Live with that, if you can.) Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 11:48 PM (1V6Pv) MOUT is casualty intensive. Avoid it. Let the criminal element have at it. They will kill each other off far more effectively than any outside force, short of NBC weapons anyway. They won't stray too far from their city base for quite awhile. Suburbs would have to worry.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 04, 2012 08:32 PM (pK3Rn)

271 Archer (seasons 1-2): Animated James Bond spoof.
Thank you for mentioning that. I read someone earlier saying how manly Archer was thinking he was discussing the new mainstream network's show (ABC?) about the guy armed with the bow. I can't recall it because I could only get through the first five minutes before changing the channel as it had a chick-flick vibe to it (aimed at 17-year-old girls?) and I couldn't believe my first impressions were that wrong.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 08:33 PM (jPVBi)

272 DJ Katz needs more practice
http://youtu.be/K7dcSr04G8s

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 08:33 PM (KMWgt)

273 Anybody watch 'Jericho?'. It had the Allied States of America, The United States of America, and The Independent Republic of Texas.

Posted by: RWC at December 04, 2012 08:35 PM (sqp6o)

274 MOUT is casualty intensive. Avoid it. Let the criminal element have at it. They will kill each other off far more effectively than any outside force, short of NBC weapons anyway. They won't stray too far from their city base for quite awhile. Suburbs would have to worry. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC indeed, quarantine them especially the ones constrained by rivers and lakes. gangs hane not really demonstrated any expertise in working on the water.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 08:35 PM (Z9EHQ)

275 Yo Morons. Haven't read all the comments, how does Minnysoda fare in the alliances? I'm sure the widespread goodwill for Al Franken and Jessie 'The Body' make us a desireable and worthy partner

Posted by: zeera at December 04, 2012 08:35 PM (3dXwx)

276 259 'Hardcore Pawn' is an example of our future. Go Team Entitled To Free Shit Army!!! 'what u mean...it sez free gold! Gimme my gold bitch! Posted by: RWC at December 05, 2012 12:22 AM (sqp6o) Yeah, saw that episode. yeeesh......

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 04, 2012 08:37 PM (pK3Rn)

277 Good evening. Ah, a night off! And I had sirloin for dinner. And I shaved yesterday morning and discovered I have a jawline and no more double chin (but should have kept the 'stache since I look 12 years old again). And my doctor finally cleared me for walking ("Really fast, but no running.") and I sit here doing fuck all save for converting some Trans-Siberian Orchestra so I can upload them onto my dinky POS MP3 player to listen to when I walk. And how are my lovely tonight?

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 08:37 PM (LUnTP)

278 Posted by: andycanuck at December 05, 2012 12:26 AM (jPVBi) LMAO. Big difference between the shows - Chumlee and the gang go shooting, Les and Co. get kicked out of a gun store.

Posted by: RWC at December 04, 2012 08:38 PM (sqp6o)

279 *pokes* robert ... ON THE JAW

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 08:39 PM (gh+mp)

280 *NABS* Adriane...on the...uh...Behr paintbrush.

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 08:41 PM (LUnTP)

281 Glad to hear you're doing better, Robert!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 08:42 PM (RLZvP)

282 hi Robert, glad you are doing well
I'm just about to go to bed actually

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2012 08:42 PM (d/5qf)

283 TSO - For The Sake Of Our Brother http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvwX6NcaXmc

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 08:43 PM (LUnTP)

284 Actually, I haven't seen Hardcore Pawn although I read a bit about it but I know the Pawn Star guys love their weapons--even that cannon once!--so I figure they'd win. And they have a smarter customer base too.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 08:44 PM (jPVBi)

285 Thanks, Warbler! Thanks, Jefe! Good night, Jefe!

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 08:44 PM (LUnTP)

286 #271: Archer is hilariously manly. Also, he's a dick. Very funny, though. And, as I mentioned earlier, the writers have a surprisingly good grasp of the geopolitical scene. They must have at least a couple of conservatives on staff.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 08:44 PM (RLZvP)

287 Glad you are doing better Robert. Did you get enough steak for all of us?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 08:45 PM (KMWgt)

288 Good night, ChemJeff!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 08:45 PM (RLZvP)

289 274 MOUT is casualty intensive. Avoid it. Let the criminal element have at it. They will kill each other off far more effectively than any outside force, short of NBC weapons anyway. They won't stray too far from their city base for quite awhile. Suburbs would have to worry. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC indeed, quarantine them especially the ones constrained by rivers and lakes. gangs hane not really demonstrated any expertise in working on the water. Posted by: yankeefifth at December 05, 2012 12:35 AM (Z9EHQ) Yeah. Set up OP's. As soon as any appear to wander out of the shithole, grease 'em long range. The urban shitheads are going to stick to roads with vehicles. Easy targets and they will move to a point of least resistance for their scavenging. In the rare instance that they may be able to overwhelm you, simply vanish. We can go most anywhere. They will be constrained to urban areas.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 04, 2012 08:46 PM (pK3Rn)

290 And I'm glad things are improving for you, Robert. And it seems not to have affected your Alfred Hitchcock impersonation (i.e. 'Good evening').

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 08:46 PM (jPVBi)

291 Robert, saw your update the other night. Fucking awesome, brother! I must sign off but had to say I'm proud of you. Keep it up. Look into Paleolithic eating. YMMV, but I've never felt better. Goodnight, morons everywhere.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 04, 2012 08:46 PM (Ai+tZ)

292 Good night, DC!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 08:47 PM (RLZvP)

293 284 Actually, I haven't seen Hardcore Pawn although I read a bit about it but I know the Pawn Star guys love their weapons--even that cannon once!--so I figure they'd win. And they have a smarter customer base too. Posted by: andycanuck at December 05, 2012 12:44 AM (jPVBi) If you want to see the absolute lowest common denominator of vile humanity, that's it. Definitely watch a couple of episodes. It's ridiculous.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 04, 2012 08:49 PM (pK3Rn)

294 Paint brush down for the night ... Tomorrow is another day ... bells of Selznick International ring... I am afraid the not_taupe make the green wall look kind of pukey ... so I am going to experiment with the various color possibilities for the baseboards and stencils and see if it is salvageable. Maybe repainting the floor again. Less than 3 hours but oy vey the crouching gets old ...

Posted by: Adriane channels her inner Michelangelo at December 04, 2012 08:50 PM (gh+mp)

295 TSO!

/cranks up "First Snow" to celebrate barely making it home in one piece last Friday on summer tires

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2012 08:50 PM (WOJXF)

296 Did you get enough steak for all of us? Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 05, 2012 12:45 AM (KMWgt) I did, but I eated it.

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 08:50 PM (LUnTP)

297 DC, thanks man, it's been a real trip but it's been worth it. Good night and sweet dreams! Something involving long long legs. And big...ya know...

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 08:51 PM (LUnTP)

298 Hey, Anna! I didn't get to 50k on NaNoWriMo. I'm happy to see you did, though. Congratulations!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 08:52 PM (RLZvP)

299 186 Happy Tuesday, all y'all

The Good News: The floor is painted....

The Bad News: the light taupe is more like a butterscotch ...

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 11:49 PM (gh+mp)

It'll probably change color as it dries.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2012 08:52 PM (kaalw)

300 I just watched Crazy, Stupid, Love for the third time this month. I really like that movie.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:52 PM (piMMO)

301 Hi everyone. I see that the headline doesn't contain "Obama's Bestest Pal" so I'm gonna guess that this is a new thread!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 04, 2012 08:52 PM (i0App)

302 Maybe repainting the floor again. Less than 3 hours but oy vey the crouching gets old ... Posted by: Adriane channels her inner Michelangelo at December 05, 2012 12:50 AM (gh+mp) Crouching Adriane, Hidden Aches and Pains. *Pats your head*

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 08:52 PM (LUnTP)

303 I did, but I eated it. You know that moron meet up you offered to host ....

Posted by: Adriane is not Julia Child and can't cook for beans ... at December 04, 2012 08:52 PM (gh+mp)

304 #300: That is a good movie!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 08:53 PM (RLZvP)

305

So CHEM,

We no chat no more, guess I'm below your pay-grade or you think me out-lander too much for your time?

Jus sayin.........

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 08:54 PM (Pa+AE)

306 TSO! /cranks up "First Snow" to celebrate barely making it home in one piece last Friday on summer tires Posted by: Waterhouse at December 05, 2012 12:50 AM (WOJXF) Aren't they great? If you've never heard of a band called Savatage I HIGHLY RECOMMEND them. The song Christmas Eve/Sarajevo was originally off the Savatage masterpiece Dead Winter Dead and served as the springboard for TSO.

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 08:55 PM (LUnTP)

307 It'll probably change color as it dries. We're hoping ... we're hopping before we were hoping ... but you get the idea ... I will monitor it tomorrow in various lights. And see what the baseboard contrasting color does for the whole ensemble ... Unbagged the pots, maybe tomorrow put in some new potting soil and plants some winter vegies and herbs ...

Posted by: Adriane is not Julia Child and can't cook for beans ... at December 04, 2012 08:56 PM (gh+mp)

308

Robert,

How goes the day to day?

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 08:57 PM (Pa+AE)

309 So CHEM,

We no chat no more, guess I'm below your pay-grade or you think me out-lander too much for yourtime?

Jus sayin.........

Posted by: Richard at December 05, 2012 12:54 AM (Pa+AE)

no, just tired, that's all

(and sober)

sorry for ignoring you, it wasn't intentional

hope everything is well

okay now really going to bed

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2012 08:57 PM (d/5qf)

310 TSO - What Child Is This? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c13WssowHA

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 08:59 PM (LUnTP)

311 Actually, I haven't seen Hardcore Pawn although I read a bit about it but I know the Pawn Star guys love their weapons--even that cannon once!--so I figure they'd win. And they have a smarter customer base too. Posted by: andycanuck at December 05, 2012 12:44 AM (jPVBi) you can go to youpawn like eveyone else.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 09:00 PM (Z9EHQ)

312

309

Forgive me for the harsh...I understand.

Rest well my friend.

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:00 PM (Pa+AE)

313 Re: the Buckley show with Kerouac et al. (Even Ginsberg showed up.): "From a single droplet of water, the logician can infer the possibility of a Niagara." --E.A. Poe's C. Auguste Dupin. Add this show with a competent understanding of the political ferment around Bryan and Free Silver, and you get the political possibilities of today. Kerouac self-identifies as a Catholic. We know he fucked a Mexican (therefore not a racist). I always thought his "Desolation Angels" was an important document. (Maybe not on the scale of Roth's Die Flucht ohne Ende, 1927, but nonetheless seminal.) Yeah, the Commie-fag-junkies hijacked Flower Power, which on some levels can be seen as the natural revulsion of Free People against the excesses of The State, like the Draft Riots of 1863. Btw, N.Y. and Chicago are still Fascist states.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 09:00 PM (1V6Pv)

314 Yo Morons

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:00 PM (z9HTb)

315 Another note on Hollywood with all its big-budget movies... I think they really like spending that much. Not only does it help support the Hollywood-union complex, but it also lets the suits say, "See that? It cost us $100M to produce that mediocre rom-com. You think you indie producers can do better for less? Good luck."

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 09:00 PM (RLZvP)

316 #300: That is a good movie! Yeah, Verily! I love me some Spartans ... : -)

Posted by: Adriane Loves the Classics but is Easily Confused at December 04, 2012 09:01 PM (gh+mp)

317 How goes the day to day? Posted by: Richard at December 05, 2012 12:57 AM (Pa+AE) Howdy, Richard! Purty good. Lighter, more caffeinated. All praise be upon caffeine! How's it going over yonder?

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 09:01 PM (LUnTP)

318 The song Christmas Eve/Sarajevo was originally off the Savatage masterpiece Dead Winter Dead and served as the springboard for TSO.

Excellent, I will look them up.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2012 09:01 PM (WOJXF)

319 Yo, fluffy ...

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 09:03 PM (gh+mp)

320 Shit, I mean "brilliant".

Posted by: Waterhouse affects Britishisms, per American Lifemanship at December 04, 2012 09:03 PM (WOJXF)

321 FLUFFY!

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 09:04 PM (Z9EHQ)

322 Of the two TSO "snow" songs, as I'm listening to them now, I think I prefer "Appalachian Snowfall".

I should learn how to play some of those riffs.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2012 09:05 PM (WOJXF)

323 294 Paint brush down for the night ...

Tomorrow is another day ... bells of Selznick International ring...

I am afraid the not_taupe make the green wall look kind of pukey ... so I am going to experiment with the various color possibilities for the baseboards and stencils and see if it is salvageable.

Maybe repainting the floor again. Less than 3 hours but oy vey the crouching gets old ...

Posted by: Adriane channels her inner Michelangelo at December 05, 2012 12:50 AM (gh+mp)

Crouching? Crouch the edges, roll the middle with a long-handled roller.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2012 09:05 PM (kaalw)

324

315

Which is why "Jerry Bath House Brown" wrote them another 100 mil. dollar check while the bastards still shoot more out of state features while lining their pockets from the broke bank of Calidetroitya...fuckin pricks....

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:05 PM (Pa+AE)

325 Woah! I have a fan club.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:06 PM (z9HTb)

326 Howdy, Fluffy!

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 09:07 PM (LUnTP)

327 Here's a little ditty for those of you who play Star Wars: The Old Republic...

On the Promenade, Drooga's a sod!
On the Promenade, he thinks he's God!
They say the Force, it comes,
from midichlorians!
But now that George is gone,
it's prob'ly gonna get retconned!
It's so gay!

Thank you! I'll be here all week. Try the veal! Make sure you tip your waitress!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 09:07 PM (RLZvP)

328 Spent all day mediating two ADA cases. My client, the building owner, is being fucked even though he was belatedly added to the cases, is willing to make all the modifications to one building (the other only requires operating changes by the restaurant), and is himself disabled (feet born on sideways), survived the Killing Fields, and recently lost his wife to cancer.

Thank you very fucking much George Hella fucking Weak Bush. War hero and peace coward.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 04, 2012 09:08 PM (njAz7)

329

317

Finding it harder not to just run my entire body through the nearest running wood-chipper......other than that....doing so swell!

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:09 PM (Pa+AE)

330 Just a tad more on the split-up of the states. One cannot devise any kind of scenario without considering the Muzzies. They'd be smacking their lips over this. They'd definitely be making a play for territory. And the more the better.

Posted by: Soona at December 04, 2012 09:09 PM (59hZI)

331 Which is why "Jerry Bath House Brown" wrote them another 100 mil. dollar check while the bastards still shoot more out of state features while lining their pockets from the broke bank of Calidetroitya.

When California implodes, entertainment will have an easy time picking up and leaving.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:09 PM (z9HTb)

332 Crouching? Crouch the edges, roll the middle with a long-handled roller. Rolled the primer. Twice. Lighter and darker shades of pale all over the floor. Was worried about similar problems with paint coverage so padded the d@m thing...

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 09:10 PM (gh+mp)

333 42756.

Posted by: 42756 at December 04, 2012 09:11 PM (kfC1R)

334 #300: That is a good movie! *** It really is. I'm not even certain how to label it. It's not really rom-com, but not really a drama. I just ordered the soundtrack on itunes

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 09:12 PM (piMMO)

335 so?

Posted by: ab at December 04, 2012 09:12 PM (44WKP)

336 Finding it harder not to just run my entire body through the nearest running wood-chipper......other than that....doing so swell! Remember your army training! After you flip the ON switch, Mr. Wood-chipper IS NOT your friend ...

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 09:13 PM (gh+mp)

337 Well Robert glad you enjoyed it. With me under the weather, would not have.

PW, thanks. Wrote enough to win but still need to finish story. Keep plugging away at yours.

And another video about anime and beer.
http://youtu.be/K7dcSr04G8s

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 09:14 PM (KMWgt)

338 42682

Posted by: 42756 at December 04, 2012 09:14 PM (kfC1R)

339 Spent all day mediating two ADA cases. is that something where two out of three dentists recommending a decision is enough or do you need a unanimous decision?

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 09:14 PM (Z9EHQ)

340 so? A needle pulling thread ...

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 09:14 PM (gh+mp)

341 so?

Pay up, sucka.

Posted by: Peter Gabriel at December 04, 2012 09:14 PM (WOJXF)

342 339 Spent all day mediating two ADA cases.

is that something where two out of three dentists recommending a decision is enough or do you need a unanimous decision? Posted by: yankeefifth

Americans with Disabilities Act

Posted by: SFGoth at December 04, 2012 09:15 PM (njAz7)

343

330

The little dirty secret in most states as of late....not the pot farms deep in the local woodlands....but the muzzie training camps which are not reported on the local news...because....well that would be SO FUCKING UN-PC...and might get the U.N all up in your face and all....

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:15 PM (Pa+AE)

344 Robert, you skinny bastid, howaya?

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:16 PM (z9HTb)

345 Robert - not exactly your usual style, but this is a favorite of mine for the Season ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWXuxjzpx6M Loreena McKennitt - In Praise of Christmas

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 09:17 PM (gh+mp)

346 Americans with Disabilities Act Posted by: SFGoth at December 05, 2012 01:15 AM (njAz7) yeah I know but it is funnier to me my way. fun fact about the way you prefer the abbreviation. friend of mine was catching hell from his condo board about his pit bull so he had it trained as his companion dog and, since he is an out of work lawyer, threatened to sue them under the ada if he was bothered by the board any more.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 09:17 PM (Z9EHQ)

347 I still think California would fall apart, it's really too big as it is right now. Politics in norcal are different than in socal. Even more of a divide is coastal and inland. It could easily be four or five states right now.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 04, 2012 09:19 PM (NzBQO)

348 I plan on it, Anna! November was just a bad month for me to work on it. There was the election in the first half, and then an out-of-town friend who's working on coming back but wanted to play SWTOR for most of the second half... I'm happy to have a third of a novel under my belt by NaNoWriMo standards!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 09:19 PM (RLZvP)

349 "First came a period of massive migration back to the homelands."

Once I leave this fucked up state of California, the only way I'd even consider returning is when every single Democrat in Sacramento is swinging from the nearest lamppost.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 04, 2012 09:20 PM (fJUCF)

350 CA should be 3 states. North, South, Inland.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 04, 2012 09:21 PM (njAz7)

351 the only way I'd even consider returning is when every single Democrat in Sacramento is swinging from the nearest lamppost. Considering what they have in mind for you ... self defense if I ever seen it ...

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 09:21 PM (gh+mp)

352 McCoy had some smokin' ADAs.

Posted by: all Waterhouse knows about the legal system is from "Law and Order" at December 04, 2012 09:21 PM (WOJXF)

353 CA should be 3 states. North, South, Inland. 4: North, South, Inland, and Disneyland!

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 09:22 PM (gh+mp)

354

336

OFFENDED...kinda.....welll OFFENDED!!!!

U.S.M.C.....by my former rank as Corpsman.....you did not know.

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:22 PM (Pa+AE)

355 McCoy had some smokin' ADAs. Posted by: all Waterhouse knows about the legal system is from "Law and Order" at December 05, 2012 01:21 AM (WOJXF) it is a little know fact that in the original write up of law and order mccoy spanked adas every time they lost a case.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 09:23 PM (Z9EHQ)

356 Attention Deficit Attention???

Oooh! Squirrel!!!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 09:24 PM (jPVBi)

357

351

Hey there!

I like the cut of your jib!!!......

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:24 PM (Pa+AE)

358 Loreena McKennitt - In Praise of Christmas Posted by: Adriane at December 05, 2012 01:17 AM (gh+mp) Mmmmmmmm, dat's veddy nice! Now for something my style... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lny0Nie-qkI

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 09:24 PM (LUnTP)

359 "First came a period of massive migration back to the homelands." Once I leave this fucked up state of California, the only way I'd even consider returning is when every single Democrat in Sacramento is swinging from the nearest lamppost. Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 05, 2012 01:20 AM (fJUCF) I was a 3rd generation native-born Californian. I escaped and would not return, period. Instead of letting the entire country burn, shouldn't we just push California towards the socialism they desire, to serve as an educational lesson for the rest of the country?

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 04, 2012 09:24 PM (sZTYJ)

360 Doin' purty good, FLuffy. Gonna go take away Richard's wood chipper, I think.

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 09:25 PM (LUnTP)

361 Good night, everyone!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 04, 2012 09:26 PM (RLZvP)

362 Loreena McKennitt - In Praise of Christmas Posted by: Adriane at December 05, 2012 01:17 AM (gh+mp) Mmmmmmmm, dat's veddy nice! Now for something my style... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lny0Nie-qkI Posted by: Robert at December 05, 2012 01:24 AM (LUnTP) Carol of the Old Ones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ftld7Ohojg

Posted by: Nyarlko at December 04, 2012 09:26 PM (sZTYJ)

363 I didn't read the comments, but why the fuck would all the conservatives in California fight FOR California? Folks, there are way more conservatives here than many of you realize. California is BIIIIIIIG. We would be a fucking insurgency that would make Iraq look like a nerf village filled with baby moo moos.

Posted by: Sockenstein at December 04, 2012 09:27 PM (+wxCD)

364 Gonna go take away Richard's wood chipper, I think.

Is he stuffing lefties into it again?

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:27 PM (z9HTb)

365 332 Crouching? Crouch the edges, roll the middle with a long-handled roller.

Rolled the primer. Twice. Lighter and darker shades of pale all over the floor. Was worried about similar problems with paint coverage so padded the d@m thing...

Posted by: Adriane at December 05, 2012 01:10 AM (gh+mp)

I would have guessed different troweling was making the concrete thirstier in some places than others.....and maybe gone another round of primer.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2012 09:27 PM (kaalw)

366 Night PW. You have it in you to finish. Just push your friend into a Force-powered Wood-chipper.

Bed for me also.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 04, 2012 09:27 PM (KMWgt)

367 362 Loreena McKennitt - In Praise of Christmas
Posted by: Adriane at December 05, 2012 01:17 AM (gh+mp)

Mmmmmmmm, dat's veddy nice!

Now for something my style...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lny0Nie-qkI

Posted by: Robert at December 05, 2012 01:24 AM (LUnTP)

Carol of the Old Ones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ftld7Ohojg

Posted by: Nyarlko at December 05, 2012 01:26 AM (sZTYJ)

Now, we're cookin'!

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2012 09:28 PM (kaalw)

368 night, ProthWarb

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:28 PM (z9HTb)

369 This isn't goin' to end pretty

Posted by: ab at December 04, 2012 09:30 PM (44WKP)

370 U.S.M.C.....by my former rank as Corpsman.....you did not know. Oh Dear! I, I, I ... I don't know any U.S.M.C. wood chipper training. NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A QUIZ!!!! *ducks* behind Robert ...

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 09:30 PM (gh+mp)

371 Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer (Metal Version) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHW6dNuogxo

Posted by: The Political Hat \m/ at December 04, 2012 09:30 PM (sZTYJ)

372 We would be a fucking insurgency that would make Iraq look like a nerf village filled with baby moo moos.

Posted by: Sockenstein at December 05, 2012 01:27 AM (+wxCD)

This. We would burn the state to the ground. There would be no way out, we would turn coastal california into Berlin, everything would have to be flown in.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 04, 2012 09:31 PM (NzBQO)

373 Hellooooooooooo..... Dokken - Santa Claus Is COming To Town http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtlACq9He1o

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 09:31 PM (LUnTP)

374 I still think California would fall apart, it's really too big as it is right now. Politics in norcal are different than in socal. Even more of a divide is coastal and inland. It could easily be four or five states right now.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 05, 2012 01:19 AM (NzBQO)

California would split more into three sections.

Norther CA : Naked people, drum circles, pot head, parasites, Nancy Pelosi.

Southern CA: Flakes, meth-heads, parasites, traffic jams, LA mayor.

Central/Inland CA: Guns, farms, pick-up trucks.

Posted by: YIKES! at December 04, 2012 09:32 PM (mETGQ)

375

363

SSSssHHHhhh.......not so loud dip-shit...we just getting them to think they will have no trouble over the next 2 years.....

be patient....SSShhh...be patient.....this monkey not BBQ'd just yet......

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:32 PM (Pa+AE)

376 The Dole-Kemp 1996 website is still active. Seriously! It's mighty slow but on the plus side it has better programming than ORCA.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 04, 2012 09:32 PM (gkfSV)

377 it is a little know fact that in the original write up of law and order mccoy spanked adas every time they lost a case.

That would actually explain Serena's "Is it because I'm a lesbian?" non-sequitur.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2012 09:32 PM (WOJXF)

378 And the CA libs would have to worry about their own ethnic community allies killing them too.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 09:32 PM (jPVBi)

379 "I am Santa Claus" (Iron Man parody) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ4nndbOT6k

Posted by: The Political Hat \m/ at December 04, 2012 09:33 PM (sZTYJ)

380 Okay, this one should go over well... Amon Amarth - Viking Christmas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTTegnql6mY

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 09:34 PM (LUnTP)

381

370

No combat, Carter era....all forgiven

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:34 PM (Pa+AE)

382 Night PW, night Anna Puma !!! Be in good health ...

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 09:35 PM (gh+mp)

383 I didn't read the comments, but why the fuck would all the conservatives in California fight FOR California? Folks, there are way more conservatives here than many of you realize. California is BIIIIIIIG. We would be a fucking insurgency that would make Iraq look like a nerf village filled with baby moo moos.

Posted by: Sockenstein at December 05, 2012 01:27 AM (+wxCD)

Not to worry.

Committees will be formed to discuss process followed up up by more committees.

Posted by: YIKES! at December 04, 2012 09:35 PM (mETGQ)

384 is. We would burn the state to the ground. There would be no way out, we would turn coastal california into Berlin, everything would have to be flown in. Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 05, 2012 01:31 AM (NzBQO) If I didn't have to play nice and turn the other cheek? If I didn't have to tolerate all the Obama/Biden bumper stickers? If I didn't have to keep my mouth shut every time politics came up? Yeah, shit gonna get real, and I'm gonna be taking everyone's stuff. You want war? How about I super size that bitch?

Posted by: Sockenstein at December 04, 2012 09:36 PM (+wxCD)

385

Just a tad more on the split-up of the states. One cannot devise any kind of scenario without considering the Muzzies.

They'd be smacking their lips over this. They'd definitely be making a play for territory. And the more the better.

This IS the real war and it's going on now. Slowly and silently they move in and make their demands because they are outraged at the incivility they recieve. Demanding that laws be enacted to "protect" them specificly so they can enact sharia laws and demand that we obey them.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 04, 2012 09:36 PM (+9AX9)

386

370

Oh and from my knowledge...USMC don't NEED NO STINKIN WOOD CHIPPERS!!!!

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:36 PM (Pa+AE)

387 So, uh...nature calls...no, seriously, it's lightning like fuck outside. What did you think I meant? Anyway, also gotta take a shit. I leave you with some...JOE SATRIANI! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8EahBs-P58

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 09:37 PM (LUnTP)

388 But then how do Marines chip wood?

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2012 09:37 PM (WOJXF)

389 Good night, PW! Good night, Anna! Good night, Richard, Fluffy, Cooth, Hat, Andy who is a Canuck, Waterhouse, Adam Smith, Yankee, and all my collected Hordes! Good night, Adriane! May the Behr be with you. Good night, ONT!

Posted by: Robert at December 04, 2012 09:39 PM (LUnTP)

390

388

"K-BARS!"

"TEETH!"

"FINGERS!"

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:41 PM (Pa+AE)

391 I leave you with some...JOE SATRIANI!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8EahBs-P58

Heh, some Twisted Sister, from a related link from that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzruX276yF8

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2012 09:41 PM (WOJXF)

392

Finding it harder not to just run my entire body through the nearest running wood-chipper......other than that....doing so swell!

A follow up on the people that survived jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge found that on the way down they had an epiphany that their problem weren't that bad after all.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 04, 2012 09:42 PM (+9AX9)

393 Wait, what side is Bob Costas taking in this war? I want to make sure that I go with a WINNER!

Posted by: Cowboy at December 04, 2012 09:42 PM (WcgMM)

394 This IS the real war and it's going on now. Slowly and silently they move in and make their demands because they are outraged at the incivility they recieve. Demanding that laws be enacted to "protect" them specificly so they can enact sharia laws and demand that we obey them.

Pro-tip for the muzzies: If America descends into tribalism, circle the wagons quickly. Plenty of us have had it with your shit and times are still fat.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:43 PM (z9HTb)

395

But then how do Marines chip wood?

With .50 cal. ?

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 04, 2012 09:43 PM (+9AX9)

396 Alice Cooper - Santa Claws Is Coming To Town. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHXwAxx7m0o And with that, I'm out for the night!

Posted by: The Political Hat \m/ at December 04, 2012 09:44 PM (sZTYJ)

397

389

Night my brother.......

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:44 PM (Pa+AE)

398 330 Just a tad more on the split-up of the states. One cannot devise any kind of scenario without considering the Muzzies. They'd be smacking their lips over this. They'd definitely be making a play for territory. And the more the better. Posted by: Soona at December 05, 2012 01:09 AM (59hZI) As one who lives near Dearbornistan, those of us prepared to stand our ground consider neutralizing them as a military as objective number one when the LiB idiots get their way. Fortunately, culturally, they suck at warfare, more thugs preying on the weak than crack troops.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at December 04, 2012 09:44 PM (jts1f)

399 Wait, what side is Bob Costas taking in this war?

As I recall, the dwarfs fucked everyone over in The Last Battle.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2012 09:44 PM (WOJXF)

400

I drove over the Golden Gate Bridge. I found it, like everything else in San Francisco, to be "quaint". I looked so much more grand in the movies.

Posted by: Cowboy at December 04, 2012 09:44 PM (WcgMM)

401

395

I was gonna put out the 240-G, yet that sounded lazy.....like something "ARMY" would use.....>}.......

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:46 PM (Pa+AE)

402 Fucking dwarfs.

Posted by: Waterhouse probably did not learn the intended lessons from the Chronicles of Narnia at December 04, 2012 09:47 PM (WOJXF)

403 As I recall, the dwarfs fucked everyone over in The Last Battle. Posted by: Waterhouse at December 05, 2012 01:44 AM (WOJXF) I believe bob, I dropped out of syracuse before graduating with my communications / rhetoric major, costas is not a dwarf but a smurf.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 04, 2012 09:47 PM (Z9EHQ)

404 Anyone have some Turkish Delight?

Posted by: Waterhouse probably did not learn the intended lessons from the Chronicles of Narnia at December 04, 2012 09:47 PM (WOJXF)

405 Goodnight, Robert.

And I thought American troops chipped beef?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 09:48 PM (jPVBi)

406 How did the dwarves vote last election, btw? I bet 70% Obama. Fuckers.

Posted by: Cowboy at December 04, 2012 09:48 PM (WcgMM)

407 Good Night, Robert! Good night, Political Hat...

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 09:49 PM (gh+mp)

408 Apollo 12 Launch - Flight Director's Loop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T3pUuNl80k&feature=g-high That was the one that was hit by lightning shortly after launch. Takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2012 09:49 PM (sdi6R)

409 Robert A Heinlein's novel Friday was set in a future balkanized North America (Canada too) where global corporations wielded more real power than most nations. Teh Lone Star Republic The Chicago Imperium The California Confederacy etc. Written in 1982. Quite prophetic.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at December 04, 2012 09:51 PM (jts1f)

410

These are indeed some VERY interesting times in which we are living.

So MANY potentials...

epic?

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:52 PM (Pa+AE)

411 Isn't it amazing how 70% of all these ethnic groups vote to kill babies? Yes, they did. Most every Hispanic, Black, Asian, and Jew voted "Hell YES!" for killing babies. Of course, they will say they were motived by larger factors. Such as, what, exactly? Whatever it was, it was so fucking profound that killing babies took a backseat.

Posted by: Cowboy at December 04, 2012 09:52 PM (WcgMM)

412 Apollo 12 Launch

That was a good episode of From the Earth to the Moon.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2012 09:52 PM (WOJXF)

413 Such as, what, exactly?

Stealin' from rich white folks. Duh.

Posted by: Typical Obamacultist at December 04, 2012 09:55 PM (hO9ad)

414

412

And what say you that the next Moon Launch will undertaken by a Record Store Owner......

Fancy THAT!

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 09:56 PM (Pa+AE)

415 363 I didn't read the comments, but why the fuck would all the conservatives in California fight FOR California? Folks, there are way more conservatives here than many of you realize. California is BIIIIIIIG. We would be a fucking insurgency that would make Iraq look like a nerf village filled with baby moo moos.

Posted by: Sockenstein at December 05, 2012 01:27 AM (+wxCD)

So, let me give you a little example of what pushed me over the edge.....I live in the very nice little city of Santa Clara. One of the city councilmen used to live across the street. I like my neighborhood, and there is a good mix of city services that are well performed. I've remodeled my house a bit, and the permits and inspections guys are friendly and professional. Now, because we've got some nicely-located undeveloped property, there's this proposal to move the 49ers to a new stadium in my city. This sort of thing must be approved by a vote, so they put out this proposal -- although they claimed "no city money, no city money", it raided city utility funds of about 1/2 of their reserve balance.....which I didn't like at all, being that I was relying on them having reserves so that I'd have power to rebuild my own place the next time a fault cuts loose nearby. It also said, "the 49ers will eat all cost overruns". It passed, by something like a lousy 600 votes.

So then they go to contract and -- voila! There is a bond issue of $4000 per living soul in the city that will be paid off by bottling unicorn farts and selling them as air freshener, with city taxpayers serving only to guarantee this absolutely secure proposition. Oh, and any cost overruns from the vote to when the contract is finalized?.....those are not the cost overruns the 49ers are looking at.

Turns out there's a thing where 10% of the voters of a previous deal can protest if a situation goes awry......so I was out collecting signatures. The unions were against us. The city council was against us. The 49ers did home appearances to rally people against signing the petition......but we got the signatures.

And the city blew that off. Just fucking blew it off.

Laws don't matter any more here. Only Progressives matter. And spite. Leftists might be a minority, but they own the institutions -- the courts, the cops, the bureaucrats. Every level of government, from the Feds to the State to the dogcatchers. Every branch.

We could be a helluvan insurgency, all right -- but it'd have to begin with an unacceptably bloody purge. And even then, it's unlikely that the population would rally around freedom. It should, BTW, be noted that the 1860 census had the population of the entire United States at 31,443,321.....and the 2010 census has the population of California at 37,253,956 -- we could end up with Sherman's March through Orange County.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2012 09:57 PM (kaalw)

416 The POTUS is making my wrinkled ass an Ambassador!! Here I come UK!!

Posted by: Anna Wintour at December 04, 2012 09:59 PM (ypzqs)

417 Apollo 12 Launch - Flight Director's Loop

heh

"FCE to Auxiliary, over"

"NCE to Auxiliary"

"FCE, FCE, to Auxiliary"

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2012 10:00 PM (WOJXF)

418 Actually, it was SCE.

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2012 10:01 PM (sdi6R)

419 Now and then I offer book suggestions to one of my college pals, a retired Vietnam-era army bird colonel. (Special Forces to boot).
He likewise.

He sent me the book about the Fox Company ordeal. You can find it on abebooks.com.

The Last Stand of Fox Company A True Story of U.S. Marines in Combat

At first, I have to say, it was rough going for a person who has never been in combat. Troop movements, emplacements, the field of battle, logistics etc. Lots to sort out.

But if you keep reading, you develop a mental map of the terrain in your head (just as you do in some video games), and with each new ChiCom assault you understand what extraordinary leadership and individual courage was required from our guys.

A very good read.

In an era where just doing the right thing makes you a hero, Cafferata is a Hero.

Ten times over.

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at December 04, 2012 10:02 PM (riIMi)

420 And reading the YouTube description, it's actually "SCE"?

I'd have been flipping all the wrong toggles, I guess.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2012 10:02 PM (vt4lQ)

421 Alaska will form a federation with the Yukon Territory, our neighbor. Why? For the Yukon Women! Music please Maestro, for a little sampler:

<i>Cause I'm one of those
Rough, loose, raw and rugged, Yukon women are we
We wear plaid jackets and we build our own cabins
And we all vote NDP--independently.

Yeah, we're in top condition and we go on long hikes
And we aren't afraid of bears
We wear woolly socks, woolly shirts, woolly woollies
'Til it gets kinda itchy under there
And we go in the sauna with no clothes on-a
And if the boys look we don't care
We've got liberated views on who's lovin' whose
And we don't shave our armpit hair!

Cause I'm one of those
Rough, loose, raw and rugged, Yukon women are we
We wear plaid jackets and we build our own cabins
And we all drink rose hip tea--independently.</i>

Posted by: Alaska Paul at December 04, 2012 10:03 PM (CvA+Z)

422 "And the CA libs would have to worry about their own ethnic community allies killing them too."

Always a possibility once the gravy train stops when the money runs out. If that ever happens, I'll be celebrating for sure.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 04, 2012 10:04 PM (fJUCF)

423 They do sound like an unflappably optimistic bunch, just like portrayed in the TV series.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2012 10:05 PM (vt4lQ)

424 That was one of the most famous flight director calls of all time. It was an obscure switch on an obscure panel, and even the crew didn't know exactly where it was or what it did. But it worked.

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2012 10:05 PM (sdi6R)

425 Of course they don't shave, Alaska Paul! The NDP (New Democratic Party) are out far-left party.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 10:08 PM (jPVBi)

426 Doh! "our" not "out". Darn QWERTY keyboards!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2012 10:09 PM (jPVBi)

427 a dwarf is just a friend you haven't tossed yet

Posted by: art garfunkels ugly kid at December 04, 2012 10:09 PM (E16uG)

428 And the city blew that off. Just fucking blew it off. Laws don't matter any more here. Yeah, Verily! The FEC still hasn't looked into the credit card fraud from Obama 2008; let alone the same sh!t in 2012.

Posted by: Adriane at December 04, 2012 10:10 PM (gh+mp)

429 OK, I'm fading fast. I better get to bed while the gettin's good. Good night, all.

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2012 10:13 PM (sdi6R)

430 And the city blew that off. Just fucking blew it off.

You're only supposed to blow the BLOODY DOORS OFF!

Posted by: Michael Caine at December 04, 2012 10:13 PM (vt4lQ)

431

Remember,

The "Founding Father's", were of such a mind to foresee this potential.

Which, frankly, makes me just sit in awe of their wisdom.

Even way back then, they gave the blessing to do what just might be needed to be done now.

Because they covered ALL the bases when forming this great nation.

That just seals it for me that this country is REALLY worth fighting for.

Good Night.

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 10:14 PM (Pa+AE)

432 Actually, I see states banding together with common interests. In the beginning, it will be a pushback against unfunded mandates for Obamacare to the states. It will escalate from there. O is trying to emasculate the military and purge leadership. There will be serious constitutional crises, and the military will have to choose between the Commissars or the Constitution, which they have sworn to protect.

It will get ugly, but we will be getting down to basics as to what is really important. Protecting NYC and Hollywood will be low on the priorities.
1. You make yourself strong and do what is meaningful to you.
2. You make your family strong and meaningful.
3. You make your community strong. Community means everything from your neighbors with common interest to your town.
4. You make your state strong, if your state is worth saving. Better get a place that is worth saving.

It starts from the bottom up.

Posted by: Alaska Paul at December 04, 2012 10:16 PM (CvA+Z)

433 10/4

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at December 04, 2012 10:19 PM (jts1f)

434 Andycanuk---425 Of course they don't shave, Alaska Paul! The NDP (New Democratic Party) are out far-left party.

That is why the song is so funny. Everyone is so conforming in an independent way, heh. Good catch, eh?

Posted by: Alaska Paul at December 04, 2012 10:20 PM (CvA+Z)

435 428 And the city blew that off. Just fucking blew it off.

Laws don't matter any more here.

Yeah, Verily!

The FEC still hasn't looked into the credit card fraud from Obama 2008; let alone the same sh!t in 2012.

Posted by: Adriane at December 05, 2012 02:10 AM (gh+mp)

The Obama Administration is full of such examples -- everything from ignored FOIA requests to the evisceration of the War Powers Act of 1973 (http://tinyurl.com/bysvysp).....and don't even get me started on the Dems coordinated attack on budgeting and fiscal responsibility (http://tinyurl.com/9bdqj). It just doesn't matter.

Oh, hey! -- and that thing about the Federal Reserve only buying stuff with the "full faith and credit of the United States"? Eh, not so much ( http://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/mbs_FAQ.HTML ).

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2012 10:21 PM (kaalw)

436 It rained where I live today. Is that the global warming or is that the regular rain?

Posted by: IBT at December 04, 2012 10:27 PM (2t6Gz)

437 And remember in big, huge, hormungis cities, no water means they will have to evacuate in 3 days. A mega Achilles Heel.

Posted by: Alaska Paul at December 04, 2012 10:29 PM (CvA+Z)

438 Republicans are to Democrats as Israel is to the rest of the world. Just thought of that while I read this and so should you: http://tinyurl.com/afa44hy

Posted by: DAve at December 04, 2012 10:34 PM (XDC0v)

439 42682

42756

Posted by: 42756 at December 04, 2012 10:35 PM (kfC1R)

440 Ah, man. Those MOH stories. You gotta give the old guys a break. We can't control our eyes any more. Where do they make them like those guys? Nowhere but here.

Posted by: and irresolute at December 04, 2012 10:56 PM (DBH1h)

441 Submitted for Moron evisceration - Sitting in the hotel room with FXM on the tube and see a commercial for "Got Your Six".

Seems like the same Whollyweird fucktards that have been shitting on our Troops are now declaring that they have our Military's "SIX".

When the Civil War comes, I say a B-2 Spirit or three from Whiteman AFB in MO. be tasked with vaporizing these hypocritical scrotal sacks of pig shit with a few special deliveries of Canned Sunshine.

And The Ol' Lady wonders why I ABHOR television.....

Posted by: Thulsa Choom at December 04, 2012 11:51 PM (E0Vx3)

442

Before I go,

The Army "Major" who's name will never be named, who killed 13 and wounded 32, and who just won a victory in our "COURTS" system not to have his beard shaved, let me say...

BITCH, you may have won a little reprive to keep your "GOAT FUCKER" beard as a testament to the "HEAD" GOAT FUCKER, yet you will fry some day unless this nation so screws the pooh. Which means CIVIL WAR and we will get your ass either way and your end will be a very brutal affair....

This is my wish....and my desire.

Now I go to sleep....

Posted by: Richard at December 04, 2012 11:58 PM (Pa+AE)

443 This would be a much better country if a guy who clearly killed 13 and wounded 32 were "lost in the system" and nobody every heard what happened to him....except the people who made sure that his final moments were nothing to write home about....and their friends and relations.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 05, 2012 12:01 AM (kaalw)

444

443

A massage for your tired shoulders....from your hubby of course...;}!!!

night to ya....and thanks...

Posted by: Richard at December 05, 2012 12:06 AM (Pa+AE)

445 Looks like it was a slow night in Moronland tonight. I was busy fucking around on reddit. Sorry.

Posted by: Zakn at December 05, 2012 12:58 AM (LbwgI)

446 My God, Keroauc was an insufferable jackass. Never read his book and now I am glad I didn't lose the time spent doing so. It's a wonder the producer of Firing Line didn't bum-rush him off the stage after his first raspberry of scorn. Ass By the end of 20+ minutes, I was actually rooting for the hippy.

Posted by: Chris at December 05, 2012 01:20 AM (t1iPt)

447 When did the first civil war end?

Posted by: Jean at December 05, 2012 02:41 AM (g2ldK)

448 When did the first civil war end?

Posted by: Jean at December 05, 2012 06:41 AM (g2ldK)

It's still going

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at December 05, 2012 02:50 AM (R8hU8)

449 My money would be on the states with the greatest gang populations so the Dems would win again.

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at December 05, 2012 03:00 AM (T/L2Z)

450 That new civil war thing, I laughed when I saw "all civilians would be involved."

Yeah, sure.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2012 03:00 AM (BeSEI)

451 So who won?

Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 03:03 AM (YdQQY)

452 Good morning!

Hey 'roons, I seriously need some feedback on an idea.

Mark Levin said something on his show of 12/04 that totally jibes with this notion I had over at Scoops. { here--> http://tinyurl.com/a73uslq }
So far, folks are liking it, but they aren't beating it up hard enough to really test the notion, so I'm looking for the Moron horde's input. You guys will hunt anything, in season or out.

Anyhoo, Levin had Sen. Jim Demint on, and Mark said something that amazed me, really. He actually said,

"Do you agree with me--know I know it's far ahead--but for 2016 we conservatives (had) better get behind one conservative, or they're gonna pick us apart and slip somebody through.

Mr. DeMint answered, "I think you're exactly right... (some stuff about his upcoming work, also he thinks conservative principles still work to win elections) ...but most of all we need to organize, and get behind the right candidate for 2016."

Now I love Levin's take on things, generally, and I'm on the same page as he is, philosophically speaking, but I beat him up in comments at Scoop's and here and McCain's place for the "orange juice can" idea, that he started in 2010 (I believe). I said, to anyone who'd listen: "This is a terrible idea: make them fight for your vote all the way up till the Convention. Don't telegraph the RINO's that you'll get behind their guy."

Well, I think we all learned that lesson, good and hard.

So while listening to everyone on the right yammer about more hispandering, less so-cons, less neo-cons, less cons, more big government, fix ORCA, use technology, blah freaking blah, blah, blah. I just decided I'd had enough.

Early voting starts now, and I'm voting West. I'm ignoring the Republicans, I'm ignoring the polling, I'm ignoring the calls for Christie to get in and Obi-Orange Crist to come back and save us, or Jeb, or even Rubio (whatever else Rubio is--and I like him--he's NOT a restoration guy. He just isn't). I don't even care who's on the ballot. I'm voting West in 2016.

I don't care about bimbo eruptions, smears, if he gets a divorce, if he buys a boat, if he gets caught on camera drinking a Bud Light, I just plain don't give a damn anymore. Unless he's moved to the other side of the lawn by then, I'm voting for him.

The thing I like about this is that it doesn't require forming a third party. Nor does it require the effort of "taking over" the stinking corpse of the Republican party. Screw them. And screw CPAC and Anne Coulter and all the other folks that try to pull the train off the tracks every damned time. They all lost, big time, and they are now ministers without portfolio.

This time just Vote West. That's it. Nobody has to be in charge. Nobody takes the credit. We just all act. Barely requires any money. We don't even need to ask West if he wants the job. Just vote for him, and to hell with the political apparatus altogether.

And don't start trying to add your favorite to the ticket. (Mine's Palin or a trade to be named later.) None of that. Let him decide and just freaking live with it. Even if he picks some notorious Bush/Rove clown. Screw it, just Vote West.

That's the answer to everything the Republicans try to do this time: Vote West.

Tell my why it won't work. Then tell me how to fix it, because I sure as hell ain't falling for the Republican shit sandwich this time around. I did my job, and went along. No mas. No mas.

Vote West.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 05, 2012 03:05 AM (BYIWb)

453 451 -

Probably the state with the lowest number of welfare recipients, and/or gang members.

Honestly, you expect a bunch of people who kill each other to coalesce behind their state??? And I'd put my money on some country boy who knows how to hunt over some gangbanger turning his handgun sideways as he empties his clip.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2012 03:07 AM (BeSEI)

454 Vote DeMint

Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 03:08 AM (YdQQY)

455 News up

Posted by: Vic at December 05, 2012 03:15 AM (YdQQY)

456 My money would be on the states with the greatest gang populations so the Dems would win again.

Might want to re-think that. While the gangs MIGHT be able to shoot from the car to the curb, deer season is open in most of the country. 250 - 300 yard shots with rifles are quite common.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 05, 2012 03:16 AM (d0Dmj)

457 -- 454 --

He doesn't want the job, and he can't hit for points like West. Besides, it would be nice to have the first black President be a conservative.

C'mon man, don't dilute it right off the bat, put me some knowledge here.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 05, 2012 03:22 AM (pF32h)

458 "One cannot devise any kind of scenario without considering the Muzzies." Israel would wipe out the infrastructure of every Muslim country within days. They'd be back to the "waving scimitars and ululating from camelback" stage for at least a generation, if not permanently.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at December 05, 2012 04:02 AM (OqWMe)

459 "I don't think the Chinese, as someone mentioned above about them seizing CA, have the navy to do that" Shipping containers full of People's Liberation Army troops. Remember, the USN isn't operating any more under this scenario.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at December 05, 2012 04:06 AM (OqWMe)

460 Watching the Buckley clip, not surprising Kerouac died of alcoholism within a year.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at December 05, 2012 04:08 AM (jeAQW)

461 Texas. Why are we even asking this question? We would form an army of former hairdressers and baristas to give the rest of you a fair chance. They would be marching down Pennsylvania avenue two days later. Seriously, if you're not a Texan, you are a pussy.

Posted by: SmokyBourbon at December 05, 2012 04:15 AM (2i6Vi)

462 @3 Saw a great meme on one of the hivemind collective comrade pages. It showed president SCOAMF on the left looking like the incredible hulk under that art it said how the left views sobama. On the right it showed a picture of the fierce warlord comrade dear leader throwing the opening pitch at Kaminsky (haha) Park to starting catcher Carlton Luzinski (hee hee) under that photo it said how the rest of the world sees SCOAMF. Yes America's enemies are rubbing their hands and laughing with glee knowing they can do anything they want.

Posted by: i am not Herbert at December 05, 2012 05:25 AM (Kflw4)

463 I know nobody will read this at this point, but the interesting thing about Diaconis is that he used to be a circus performer before he ran off to graduate school.

Posted by: Former Mass. Resident at December 05, 2012 07:09 AM (5/DFH)

464 131 All we have is Mary Cloggenstein riding a cow.
Posted by: Vermont at December 04, 2012 11:07 PM (IDypm)

I love you guys. Somehow, don't you know she looks like Ruth Bader Ginsburg in Birkenstocks? That is how I picture her, even though I don't think she is real and is probably Ace.

Here is my take on next Civil War: I am in Floriduh but will flee to farm in MS (en route to Utah where I hope I can can vegetables as a Presbyterian and not have to convert). If I have to stay in MS for awhile, we (at least) won't starve and know everyone. I'd rather be in the alpine mountains, however.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, raving lunatic about Benghazi at December 05, 2012 08:18 AM (baL2B)

465 So - Wait a minute.... Why was the different states going to war all "Texas' fault"?

Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at December 05, 2012 08:58 AM (L4CWX)

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