March 21, 2012
— Maetenloch
To see the world as it really is all you have to do is open your eyes. And put on the special sunglasses.
Pro-tip: If someone ever does ask you to put on some special sunglasses, just humor them and do it. Unless of course you enjoy pointless 5 minute fight scenes that end up with you....putting on the sun glasses.
Oh and always bring enough gum.
Trayvon Martin, Vigilantism, and Standing Your Ground
Okay the short version: George Zimmerman, a self-appointed neighborhood watcher, in Orlando, FL saw 17-year old Trayvon Martin walking through his neighborhood streets one evening. He called the police and reported Trayvon as 'suspicious' but didn't see him commit any crime. As he was talking with the dispatcher he pulled his car over and began to chase the boy and confronted him in someone's yard.
What happened next is unclear but Zimmerman claims he was attacked by Trayvon and felt in danger so he shot him in the chest killing him. It turns out that the boy lived with his father in the neighborhood and had walked to a 7-11 and bought some skittles and was returning home. He was unarmed.
Given Florida's 'Stand Your Ground' statute so far police haven't charged Zimmerman with any crime since he claims he was merely defending himself. But this to me this seems a perversion of the whole idea of CCW and self-defense. 'Stand Your Ground' shouldn't give you license to go around confronting people and then killing them when the confrontation doesn't go your way. That's a recipe for wild west vigilantism.
Law enforcement often fails - that's why people need the tools to defend themselves, and the laws to protect them when they do so. But the proactive aspects of policing, including confronting individuals who seem to be "up to no good," should be left to the professionals. If Trayvon Martin had been approached by an officer who identified himself as such, rather than a strange man who jumped out of an SUV and chased him, he would almost certainly be alive today.
What Invisible Children Was Doing a Few Years Ago
Okay before they released the viral Kony video and before the director went on a nude jack-off spree in the streets of San Diego, they were 'Saving the Children' using their..song and dance moves?!?
Hoooo-ly shit - if you gave them any money, well maybe you should pause, and reflect on where and how your life went off track. This was made in 2006 so they don't even have the 80's as an excuse.
Unshockingly Anonymous Spokesman/Revolutionary Lives With Mom
The least shocking bit from McCain's report is this description had of the dreaded night the spooky men in black showed up:FBI agents came to my mom's door and asked if I was there. She woke me up
Lulz, self-proclaimed internet "revolutionary" lives with mom.
Well real revolutionaries have their own pad. And pay for their own internet.
Some of the best secret agents of WWII were women since they were able to infiltrate enemy territory without arousing much suspicion. And they were as steely as their male counterparts:
Violette Bushell Szabo was raised in England in a British-French family. In 1940, she married French Foreign Legion officer Etienne Szabo. Two years and one daughter later, Etienne was killed in action, and Violette was determined to avenge his death. In 1943, Violette Szabo was recruited by the British Special Operations Executive (SOE) and trained as a courier.Her first mission to France was in April of 1944, during which she reorganized a resistance unit, sabotaged roads and bridges, and sent back reports by radio. Szabo was arrested twice, and talked her way out both times. Her second mission in June was just after the D-Day invasion. Szabo parachuted into France, led a local resistance unit in sabotaging German communications, and then encountered a roadblock.
She was arrested and interrogated under torture, but gave up no damaging information. Szabo was transferred several times, ultimately to Ravensbrück concentration camp in Germany in August 1944. Even in captivity, Szabo managed to serve other prisoners, saved at least one spy's life, and planned an escape that was uncovered at the last minute. In January of 1945, she and two other SOE agents were executed by an SS officer. Szabo was posthumously awarded the George Cross and an MBE from Britain, and the Croix de Guerre and Médaille de la Résistance from France.
Well after perusing this list of celebrities who've admitted to having lesbian affairs, maybe it would be faster to just list those who haven't.
I'm pretty sure I ate some of these as a kid since I distinctly remember getting a prize out of a Freakies box.
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Posted by: GergS(Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 21, 2012 06:15 PM (dptRY)
I love the smell of their fear and desperation.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 21, 2012 06:17 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 06:17 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: USS Diversity at March 21, 2012 06:19 PM (vpe0k)
There's the point that the news has posted li'l Trayvon as a 12-year-old all-American football player, rather than the 240-pound 6'3 19-year-old who went across that neighbourhood which wasn't his. As do many "yoofs", coincidentally around the same time that break-ins go on.
There's the point that the media made such a big deal of the Zimmerman name - ooh, he's a white guy! maybe German! - and it turned out he was Hispanic.
As for the facts of the case, here is a FAQ : http://tinyurl.com/6q2tptl.
The essential elements of self defense are as follows. TM attacked GZ from behind. Witnesses saw TM on top of GZ beating him while he screamed for help. And GZ shot TM once in the chest. Though only 17, TM was a 6Â’3″ football player who posed a credible threat.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 21, 2012 06:21 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 06:21 PM (SsG4J)
Kinda disturbing.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 21, 2012 06:22 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 06:23 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: jake at March 21, 2012 06:23 PM (AZ8Mb)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 21, 2012 06:24 PM (jTPf1)
Posted by: GergS(Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 21, 2012 06:25 PM (dptRY)
***
Giggity giggity!
Posted by: Glenn Quagmire at March 21, 2012 06:25 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 21, 2012 06:26 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 06:26 PM (7W3wI)
****
So does this mean Gene Simmons could kick Zeus's ass too?
Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2012 06:26 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: DC in Towson at March 21, 2012 06:28 PM (I/cLr)
More "real life" Disney princesses...
http://tinyurl.com/84ozmff
Not sure who the second one is.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2012 06:28 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 06:29 PM (7W3wI)
CenturyLink news homepage dutifully reporting hos JEPOS is "fastracking oil pipeline".
I wish I knew another good site I could set as my homepage.
Posted by: USS Diversity at March 21, 2012 06:29 PM (vpe0k)
The author of the NR article also admits he doesn't have the facts.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 21, 2012 06:29 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Dianna at March 21, 2012 06:29 PM (mKMj1)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 21, 2012 06:29 PM (jTPf1)
***
Every woman is two drinks away
from a girl-on-girl experience
Posted by: One the internet so it must be true at March 21, 2012 06:30 PM (3aXbg)
from behind. Witnesses saw TM on top of GZ beating him while he screamed
for help. And GZ shot TM once in the chest. Though only 17, TM was a
6Â’3″ football player who posed a credible threat.
But on the other hand if TM had had a gun and shot GZ during the struggle he also would have been justified under Florida's Stand Your Ground law since he was attacked out of nowhere by a strange man coming out of an SUV.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 21, 2012 06:30 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: the MFM at March 21, 2012 06:31 PM (6RnvM)
Does anything you do while drunk in college count?
Depends. Tell us all about it so we can decide.
Posted by: fluffy at March 21, 2012 06:32 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: Chris at March 21, 2012 06:32 PM (XGZYX)
Posted by: booger at March 21, 2012 06:32 PM (HI6wa)
This is a good judge of a wife, will she avenge your death. We see all the time in tv and film men avenging the death of their significant others.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 21, 2012 06:33 PM (tKFT6)
I sailed my boat from New Haven Ct., to Northport NY.
Great day.
Mike
Posted by: Mike in CFL at March 21, 2012 06:33 PM (motsG)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 06:33 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: DC in Towson at March 21, 2012 06:34 PM (I/cLr)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 21, 2012 06:36 PM (jTPf1)
Posted by: Conservative Crank voted for Perry, dammit at March 21, 2012 06:37 PM (1zwZo)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 21, 2012 06:37 PM (IojUD)
Posted by: AltonJackson remembers the Crash of '87 at March 21, 2012 06:38 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: andycanuck at March 21, 2012 06:40 PM (6RnvM)
Good evening, good people. You may call me the Master Upholsterer from now on. Finished the seats for the Ford, and they do look pretty good. The seat covers were precut and stitched, and really only needed to be stretched over the frames, that I put new foam on. That is the most extensive work i ever did on upholstery, must admit.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 21, 2012 06:40 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: fluffy at March 21, 2012 06:40 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 06:41 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: huerfano at March 21, 2012 06:42 PM (bAGA/)
Wow, what brave revolutionaries. I remember that old tale when the British came looking for Washington, and he was plotting protests in Mary Ball and Augustine's basement in Virginia. Thomas Jefferson was bravely shitting on the British horses waiting outside.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 21, 2012 06:43 PM (tKFT6)
Posted by: bobscountrybuffet at March 21, 2012 06:43 PM (+tadn)
If I'm not mistaken, chasing someone and killing them in self defense is also known as second degree murder in most jurisdictions.
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 06:43 PM (mZ+XA)
Um. You have no idea how drunk I was. Plus, I was 17 at the time, so let's all hope no one took any pictures.
Posted by: Dianna at March 21, 2012 06:44 PM (mKMj1)
Posted by: GergS(Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 21, 2012 06:44 PM (dptRY)
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 21, 2012 06:44 PM (YqQbl)
Posted by: George Zimmerman at March 21, 2012 06:44 PM (snRY5)
Uhh, Actually fact is Martin did not live with his father in the neighborhood. From news reports it is unclear if he was visiting his mother, or some other of his father's girlfriends while suspended from his school in Miami.
No evidence that Zimmerman chased martin either.
Police have no probable cause to arrest mall ninja Zimmerman either.
Stand Your Ground has no bearing as all this went down on private property...
Anyway, send Sharptin $30 for his effort and he will automatically enter 10% for you to win a chance to dine with Obama.
...did I hear you say, "boy"?
Posted by: Rmoney at March 21, 2012 06:45 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: AltonJackson is having a serious "WTF?" moment at March 21, 2012 06:45 PM (JMmQ9)
I just had a cold chill, remembering a couple polaroids.
Oh, dear. Oh, dearie, dearie me!
I wonder if I cut them up? Or are they waiting to ambush me?
Posted by: Dianna at March 21, 2012 06:45 PM (mKMj1)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 06:46 PM (sXiWR)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 21, 2012 06:46 PM (jTPf1)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 21, 2012 06:46 PM (SB0V2)
Posted by: andycanuck at March 21, 2012 06:46 PM (6RnvM)
Posted by: NukemHill at March 21, 2012 06:47 PM (7WLzC)
More "real life" Disney princesses...
http://tinyurl.com/84ozmff
Not sure who the second one is.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2012 10:28 PM (3aXbg)
That is Jane, from "Tarzan." Not really a princess, but she makes up for it by actually having a personality and being pretty amusing at times (she talks incessantly, often to herself).
Posted by: Grey Fox at March 21, 2012 06:48 PM (wMtef)
Posted by: GergS(Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 21, 2012 06:48 PM (dptRY)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 06:48 PM (mZ+XA)
This could totally be the beer talking, but that is some funny shit right there, Jimmah.
How y'all doin' tonight?
Posted by: Peaches at March 21, 2012 06:48 PM (w407e)
Posted by: NukemHill at March 21, 2012 06:48 PM (7WLzC)
The civil wrongful death lawsuit judgment will have him living in a cardboard box for the rest of his life.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 06:48 PM (sXiWR)
Well except for the 9-11 tape where Zimmerman clearly says that he *is* chasing Martin. Have you even listened to the audio?
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 21, 2012 06:49 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: MagicalMaggieT at March 21, 2012 06:50 PM (rZZA3)
Posted by: andycanuck
Somehow, this does not seem likely in an era of cheerleaders and web-cams. One can always dream, though!
Posted by: Dianna at March 21, 2012 06:50 PM (mKMj1)
Posted by: George Zimmerman at March 21, 2012 06:51 PM (snRY5)
Heh, a cardboard box would be a step up for some folks.
Posted by: OJ at March 21, 2012 06:51 PM (w407e)
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Posted by: Neo at March 21, 2012 06:52 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 06:52 PM (snRY5)
California - I was at San Francisco State back in the early 80's.
It feels like last century...oh, wait! It was!
Posted by: Dianna at March 21, 2012 06:53 PM (mKMj1)
Posted by: comatus at March 21, 2012 06:53 PM (ZOlM3)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 06:53 PM (sXiWR)
Plus, in case anyone is wondering, drinking oneself to death is a fairly slow process. Unless I am doing it wrong . . .
Posted by: Peaches at March 21, 2012 06:54 PM (w407e)
Posted by: NukemHill at March 21, 2012 06:54 PM (7WLzC)
More "real life" Disney princesses...
http://tinyurl.com/84ozmff
Not sure who the second one is.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2012 10:28 PM (3aXbg)
The second one is Jane according to the description. As in, "Me Tarzan, You Jane." That was the movie where the major plug was that they had Phil Collins doing the music...
Posted by: buzzion at March 21, 2012 06:54 PM (GULKT)
Maet,
They aren't using the stand your ground law as a defense. It is just a normal self defense investigation. I say as a defense, the state attorney isn't contemplating charges regarding the stand your ground law.
I don't know the facts of what happened but it sounds like the shooter was in the wrong. If someone came up to me in the middle of the night after following me I would probably shoot them if I had a gun but at least I would try to defend myself which is what it sounds like this kid did.
Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2012 06:55 PM (MtwBb)
"tired of myself and tired of this town."
spray painted that on the wall of the last place I rented before I moved 1200 miles away with all my possessions in my car.
Posted by: USS Diversity at March 21, 2012 06:56 PM (vpe0k)
Posted by: lael at March 21, 2012 06:57 PM (jvEwI)
Posted by: Drewbicle at March 21, 2012 06:57 PM (NPp2D)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 21, 2012 06:57 PM (IojUD)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 06:57 PM (sXiWR)
70 For all you Mass Effect 3 fans, Bioware is looking to modify the ending to ME3:
BioWare Is Working on a Modified Mass Effect 3 Ending
http://tinyurl.com/72ot8qa
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 21, 2012 10:46 PM (jTPf1)
I'll believe how much its modified when it comes. And the more you consider the current endings the dumber they become.
Oh and here's something about the ending that isn't a spoiler. After you finish the game you get a little message urging you to buy upcoming DLC. Yep the ending contains a 'solicitation'
Posted by: buzzion at March 21, 2012 06:57 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Dianna at March 21, 2012 06:59 PM (mKMj1)
Perhaps before joining a neighborhood watch one ought to familiarize one's self with the neighborhood. Might save you from doing stupid shit in the future.
Oh, look at the time. Gotta run. Catch ya'll later!
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 06:59 PM (F79HU)
I suspect girls were involved.
Posted by: Calvin at March 21, 2012 07:00 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: AltonJackson noticed something at March 21, 2012 07:00 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 07:01 PM (sXiWR)
Posted by: Jack at March 21, 2012 07:01 PM (7us0J)
You know what's irksome? I found most of the formerly-secret British operations in the mid-70's when the books came out, as Official Secrets expired. And I felt myself a little late to the party. Today I am still bumping into people who just heard of The Man Who Never Was for the first time.
So, whilst engaged on civil government service a few years ago, I knew a mid-level manager, forty-something, college degree, whose husband, a higher-level manager, leased her a Lexus. She went to see "Pearl Harbor," and then told her husband she wanted to trade that car in, and never have anything Japanese in the house again.
She'd never heard, you see.
Posted by: comatus at March 21, 2012 07:01 PM (ZOlM3)
Posted by: Hobbes at March 21, 2012 07:02 PM (7WLzC)
Posted by: Jack at March 21, 2012 11:01 PM (7us0J)
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That isn't the point is it? Why did Zimmerman confront the guy?
Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2012 07:03 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Dianna at March 21, 2012 07:03 PM (mKMj1)
Posted by: Dianna at March 21, 2012 10:59 PM (mKMj1)
Not at all, D-girl. Last I heard, he was of our tribe. I am consoled that at least I am not hearing that fuckwad Springsteen in my head. Or Bono. Oh, gack, now I need more beer!! 
Posted by: Peaches at March 21, 2012 07:03 PM (w407e)
If Norwegian men too little sex and home made food? Voice your opinion at the bottom of the article.
It all began with Hanne Nabintu Herland was speaking at a public meeting organized by Trondheim KrF.
There, it emerged that the controversial religious historian think that there are too many nasty Norwegian women, and that she could well understand that Norwegian men would rather have Russian and Thai wives.
- They like at least good sex and to create food, says Hanne Nabintu Herland.
Many have thrown themselves in the debate, and several newspapers have interviewed Herland to go deeper into what she believes.
***********************
Heh, heh......deeper.....
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 07:04 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: NukemHill at March 21, 2012 07:04 PM (7WLzC)
Posted by: NukemHill at March 21, 2012 07:05 PM (7WLzC)
And then wants to boycott Japan?
The stupid is strong in that one.
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 21, 2012 07:06 PM (YqQbl)
Posted by: President Madagascar at March 21, 2012 07:07 PM (I05IG)
Just because you made out with a chick in college doesn't mean your a lesbian, it doesn't mean your a rebel, and it doesn't mean your different. I saw this stuff all the time in college and I went to an Evangelical university. Sadly I have no pics or video (punches wall in anger), all I have are memories.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 21, 2012 07:07 PM (tKFT6)
Posted by: Jack at March 21, 2012 11:01 PM (7us0J)
Even if TM had been 9' and 450lbs, that still wouldn't make it okay for GZ to confront and then kill him if the fight didn't go his way. Even big guys have the right to self-defense.
And do you have any sources for the holding him detail? As far as I know there were no witnesses and only audio from a neighbor who called the police.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 21, 2012 07:08 PM (pAlYe)
according to the original source, which appears to have been taken out of context, this one does have his own apartment, and was just hiding out at mommy's, which is still funny, but not as funny as I though when I read the post here.
Source: http://pastebin.com/vZEteA3C
Posted by: Mephistefales at March 21, 2012 07:08 PM (C4fo4)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2012 07:08 PM (uISJm)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 21, 2012 07:08 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard
..............
This was a case of the muther fucker Zimmerman getting a hardon for this kid as a gangbanger and nothing was gonna distract him from it.
The cops told him to back off.
He chased the kid down. You cannot claim self-defense when all you hadda to was stop chasing.. or even walk away.. as the fucking cops told him to do.
They need to put this mutherfucker's ass in jail so he can start his diet of baloney sammiches and ass rapings by his cellmate Bubba.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 21, 2012 07:09 PM (UTq/I)
Zimmerman is the one who escalated the incident to that point by pursuing. That foolish act makes everything else that happened subsequently his responsibility.
Self defense falls apart when you're the one who escalates to the point where it becomes necessary. All the CCW courses drill this legal dividing line into the student's...repeatedly...nd give real life examples of people going to prison and losing everything for doing exactly the sort of thing Z did.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 07:09 PM (sXiWR)
Posted by: AltonJackson noticed something at March 21, 2012 07:10 PM (JMmQ9)
Wouldn't it be nice if we had some kind of uniformed public employees for that kind of job? We could even give them professional training and stuff.
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 21, 2012 07:12 PM (YqQbl)
The Zimmerman story sounds like a good riot prospect for the haftin to be uproards.
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 07:12 PM (mZ+XA)
What do you mean, it's not that Robert Zimmerman? Are you sure?
Posted by: comatus at March 21, 2012 07:13 PM (ZOlM3)
Posted by: mike at March 21, 2012 07:14 PM (kqXHe)
The top one is a speed loader (2pics of the same object) the bottom one is a stripper clip.
Do I win anything?
Posted by: irongrampa at March 21, 2012 07:14 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 21, 2012 07:14 PM (jTPf1)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 07:15 PM (snRY5)
He was being shot.
Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at March 21, 2012 07:16 PM (9pdFK)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellitual at March 21, 2012 11:06 PM (hXJOG)
No, he was a self appointed neighborhood watch guy. Nothing wrong with that until you start acting like you are a cop.
Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2012 07:17 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 11:12 PM (mZ+XA)
They are organizing this very minute via Twitter. #millionhoodiemarch
Posted by: Polliwog, Hobbit Teahada at March 21, 2012 07:17 PM (tD5no)
The best fight is the one that never happens because you were smart enough to walk away.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 07:18 PM (sXiWR)
Wouldn't it be nice if we had some kind of uniformed public employees for that kind of job? We could even give them professional training and stuff.
Around here some neighborhoods pay to have patrol cars roll through them because they weren't doing it otherwise, i can't remember how much it costs.
Posted by: booger at March 21, 2012 07:18 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: mike at March 21, 2012 07:19 PM (kqXHe)
@138
As someone who's watched every police reality show on TV, I'd have to say the one thing they seem to excell at is finding prowlers.
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 07:19 PM (mZ+XA)
If Zimmerman had pepper-sprayed, tazered (I've posted these recommendations a few times before) and then maced (Bear Mace optional) TM, then this would be a mini-troversy.
But no, Z screwed up ... badly. Politically, it's bad. As it now stands, our gun rights are in deep jeopardy. Laws will be passed.
Posted by: Arbalest at March 21, 2012 07:19 PM (gnScd)
Posted by: chemjeff stressy puppy at March 21, 2012 11:17 PM (7FadD)
You will do great, cj . . . you always do and there is absolutely no reason for that to change.
Unless they're all "oh, he is too damn skinny"
Posted by: Peaches at March 21, 2012 07:20 PM (w407e)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 07:20 PM (sXiWR)
See if this works w/out making a long post.
#millionhoodieMarch <---- they were ALL there & know exactly what happened so it's time 2 #blamewhitey & all cops
Posted by: Polliwog, Hobbit Teahada at March 21, 2012 07:21 PM (tD5no)
Posted by: AltonJackson noticed something at March 21, 2012 07:21 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 07:21 PM (7W3wI)
my buddy from St. Louis, while giving a serious look= they better not fuck around with cardinals baseball...
lol
Posted by: george lucas's neck-pouch at March 21, 2012 07:23 PM (ns1cq)
http://tinyurl.com/6ohysq4
It's pretty relevant to the Zimmerman thing in that it doesn't happen like that very often. They gathered over 5000 news reports of self defense stories from a 7 year period. Those are a tiny fraction of actual events.
My dad scared off a mugger one night in Vegas by telling him he was armed (he was) and it was never reported to the police.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 21, 2012 07:23 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 07:23 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 07:23 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: mike at March 21, 2012 11:19 PM (kqXHe)
Well all the objective evidence released so far point is consistent with Zimmerman deciding he didn't like the look of the guy, chasing and confronting him, and getting into a struggle with him.
But if you have some extra information we don't, then share it.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 21, 2012 07:25 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 07:25 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 21, 2012 07:25 PM (R5yLq)
How so? It doesn't even come close to assault.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at March 21, 2012 07:25 PM (WdKsY)
In the FL criminal code, the only difference in "good shooting" criteria between a cop and a citizen is someone fleeing the scene of a forcible felony.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 07:26 PM (sXiWR)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 21, 2012 07:27 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 21, 2012 11:25 PM (R5yLq)
Did the bodyshop guy like his engine?
Posted by: Polliwog, Hobbit Teahada at March 21, 2012 07:27 PM (tD5no)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 07:27 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 07:28 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 07:29 PM (mZ+XA)
think about what you just wrote: "they have the right to kick your ass." = "What the fuck is your problem?"
Do you see a difference?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at March 21, 2012 07:29 PM (WdKsY)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 07:30 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 11:29 PM (mZ+XA)
That kind of pokes holes in the stand your ground law doesn't it?
Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2012 07:31 PM (MtwBb)
Never made the first move on a drunk straight girl.
These things don't happen by accident.
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at March 21, 2012 07:31 PM (a5ljo)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 07:31 PM (7W3wI)
I don't like the judging Zimmerman by thin facts from afar... but is how it ALWAYS happens. When he goes in front of a jury of his peers, he'll learn his fate. Then he'll face the civil lawsuits.
Honorable folks who care volunteer to watch out for their neighbors. There is no reason to suspect the kid except he was offended to say why he was where he was and things escalated. Point in fact, Z ended up getting his ass kicked and feared for his life. That's what happens when you kick the ass of a smaller guy (gal) with a gun. They'll use it. Why Z ended up where he did is fodder, but it happened. It is a shame this will be blown into a riot for sure because it serves a purpose for the race-baiters. No media outrage about black on white violence in KC. Doesn't serve the meme...
Posted by: Max at March 21, 2012 07:32 PM (Mrdk1)
Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2012 07:32 PM (MtwBb)
Correct. Though I'm beginning to wonder why, I was only responding to your comment.
The fact is if you can't prove battery then, no, you don't have the right to kick someone's ass if they are following you.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at March 21, 2012 07:33 PM (WdKsY)
Reminds me of the story I told my kid's 13yo boyfriend on their first "date" last month. Now the kid is a little nervous around me:
When I was about your age I was painting some grafitti on the wall and two cops pulled up asking what I was doing with the paint. So I shot them.
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 07:34 PM (mZ+XA)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 07:34 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: AltonJackson is NOT getting involved because he doesn't have the facts at hand at March 21, 2012 07:36 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at March 21, 2012 11:31 PM (a5ljo)
Million to one shot.
Million to one.
Posted by: Frank Costanza at March 21, 2012 07:36 PM (XPGad)
This business about neighborhood watches, and violence in communities is totally foreign to me. Growing up when and where I did, shit like that simply did NOT happen. Doors weren't locked because there was no reason to do so.
That you can read about or live in fear of predators today is quite an indictment of our society. So how the hell do we change this?
Posted by: irongrampa at March 21, 2012 07:37 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 07:38 PM (7W3wI)
When I was about your age I was painting some grafitti on the wall and two cops pulled up asking what I was doing with the paint. So I shot them.
Henrietta Collins and the Wife-Beating Child Haters style?
I like it.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2012 07:38 PM (XPGad)
There was a witness... to part of the altercation... from the first news report...
Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation
Published : Monday, 27 Feb 2012, 4:55 PM EST
SANFORD, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Investigators with the Sanford Police Department are still trying to figure out exactly what happened during an altercation which resulted in a fatal shooting in the Twin Lakes area. The shooting happened just after 7 p.m. Sunday evening on Twin Trees Lane. A man who witnessed part of the altercation contacted authorities.
"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.
John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.
"And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."
Posted by: Rmoney at March 21, 2012 07:38 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience at March 21, 2012 07:38 PM (eHBHk)
Posted by: NukemHill at March 21, 2012 07:39 PM (7WLzC)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at March 21, 2012 07:39 PM (a5ljo)
Legally, that requires a lethal threat to do if he has a CCW. You need to be 21 in FL to get one, so the kid would have been guilty by definition of a state felony by carrying.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 07:39 PM (sXiWR)
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2012 11:38 PM (7W3wI)
I can relate to that - once saw some old perv shadowing me over a block or two, slipped around the corner, when he followed I beat the crap out of the old perv with some soda cans in a sack.
Posted by: Rmoney at March 21, 2012 07:40 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 21, 2012 07:40 PM (R5yLq)
Well perhaps under strictly 'legal' law that'd be true. But under 'Hidden Law' you'd be well within your rights. And when the situation is ambiguous, people will tend to go with Hidden Law instead [http://fwd4.me/0wtw]
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 21, 2012 07:41 PM (pAlYe)
Had Zimmerman died and the kid lived he sure as shit would have had to prove it.
2nd, Tayvon live in that neighborhood or not?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at March 21, 2012 07:41 PM (WdKsY)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 21, 2012 07:41 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 21, 2012 07:42 PM (75ggp)
Posted by: Jewish janitor in SF at March 21, 2012 07:43 PM (T/ILY)
No - he was expelled from school in Miami and was hanging with Mom.
Posted by: Rmoney at March 21, 2012 07:43 PM (7MFxV)
I don't live in one, but i live near one, it's got a six foot wrought iron fence all the way around it with shrubs planted at the base of them so it won't look so foreboding and two gated entrances, there's no way in except the gates so you wouldn't accidentally walk through it. Once you're inside it's just like any other neighborhood, more uniform than most but nothing that would make you go ooh or ahh, just a neighborhood. In this case i see the need for the fence and gates because this area is a shithole.
Posted by: booger at March 21, 2012 07:43 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: AltonJackson has gone to the airport to get gas at March 21, 2012 07:44 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 07:45 PM (mZ+XA)
Posted by: Max at March 21, 2012 07:45 PM (Mrdk1)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 21, 2012 07:48 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 21, 2012 07:48 PM (IojUD)
Precision under the law isn't a to be scorned or otherwise discounted, in case that's what you're aiming at.
The case is only ambiguous because we weren't there, we're not the investigating authorities, etc.
This hidden law thing isn't the authority you might want it to be. Put that dodge in the hands of someone you consider diametrically opposed to you and your lifestyle politically, that's a recipe for abuse.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at March 21, 2012 07:49 PM (WdKsY)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 07:51 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 21, 2012 07:51 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Fox2! at March 21, 2012 07:53 PM (RJOgX)
Posted by: AltonJackson has gone to the airport to get gas at March 21, 2012 07:53 PM (JMmQ9)
>> What a hero.
It's what people are taught to do these days garrett. Don't get involved, call the police, wait for the authorities.
I'm not willing to pass judgement on John. He did call the cops.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 21, 2012 07:55 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Conservative Crank voted for Perry, dammit at March 21, 2012 07:56 PM (1zwZo)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 21, 2012 11:51 PM (R5yLq)
gas station I worked at had one for the weekend racers and they had to remove it because they had so many stupid people filling their normal cars with it.
Posted by: The Dude at March 21, 2012 07:57 PM (M8yfa)
I use 260 in the Toy, the comp ratio is 10.5. Also octane booster, just for good measure. Would NOT like to destroy a piston, and with my luck spit a rod through the side of the block.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 21, 2012 07:57 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 21, 2012 07:57 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 07:58 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: The Dude at March 21, 2012 07:59 PM (M8yfa)
The case is only ambiguous because we weren't there, we're not the investigating authorities, etc.
This hidden law thing isn't the authority you might want it to be. Put that dodge in the hands of someone you consider diametrically opposed to you and your lifestyle politically, that's a recipe for abuse.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 21, 2012 11:49 PM (WdKsY)
But justice is also not solely administered through the law. Or else we'd have to litigate every single detail of our lives.
I'm not advocating that hidden law *should* handle everything, but pointing out that unless there's provable 'explicit law' breaking we do tend to follow it in practice.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 21, 2012 08:00 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 21, 2012 08:00 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 08:01 PM (Z9EHQ)
bing or google map "Twin Trees Lane, sanford, florida"
It didn't show a street view, what is it?
Posted by: booger at March 21, 2012 08:01 PM (HI6wa)
Joisey, not New York.
Posted by: Fox2! at March 21, 2012 11:53 PM (RJOgX)
Wow it looks like the Bronco's were screwing over Tebow too. They still owed him 5 million from his rookie year, and they tried to get the Jets to pay it all.
Posted by: buzzion at March 21, 2012 08:02 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Max at March 21, 2012 08:02 PM (Mrdk1)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 21, 2012 08:02 PM (R5yLq)
A serious question about gated communities---do any of y'all live in
one? Are they huge, or is it likely that you walk through one going to
your neighborhood store or school?
Lived in one for a while. Six foot iron fence and gates controlled by electronic opener or key for pedestrian gate. Nice community, but usually the streetpunks just climbed over the fence to take shortcuts to get somewhere else usually leaving their trash all over the place. And the security guards were a joke.
Posted by: Ma Bell at March 21, 2012 08:03 PM (uVuwp)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 11:51 PM (snRY5)
Well that border fence stops right dab in the middle of downtown. Everything east is wide open.
Genius, El Paso..
Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at March 21, 2012 08:04 PM (WKTJz)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 08:05 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Malia in Mexico at March 21, 2012 08:05 PM (DATOZ)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 08:06 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: buzzion at March 22, 2012 12:02 AM (GULKT)
No they had already paid Tebow, they were trying to get the Jets to reimburse them.
Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2012 08:06 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: booger
Nothing special. Gated subdivision - very small - the townhouse variety. Fairly new mediocre construction, different views from the aerial shots show construction. Each homeowner owns the strip of grass in front and back of the unit. Streets are owned by the residents (not public).
For some reason Zwillow shows it as being high-crime.
Posted by: Rmoney at March 21, 2012 08:07 PM (7MFxV)
Time for the old folk. Have to detail the Toy tomorrow, so it doesn't get jealous.
Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 21, 2012 08:07 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 21, 2012 08:07 PM (R5yLq)
FBI agents came to my mom's door and asked if I was there. She woke me up
-------
So, they showed up at about noon.
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 08:08 PM (mZ+XA)
Posted by: Conservative Crank voted for Perry, dammit at March 21, 2012 11:56 PM (1zwZo)
Of course the big problem for the prosecution is that there is no such recording. There is a recording of a dispatcher saying "We don't need you to do that" when Zimmerman indicates that he's going to follow. A long way off from an order.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at March 21, 2012 08:08 PM (nZvGM)
Posted by: landofskybluewater at March 21, 2012 08:08 PM (JoIcn)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 08:08 PM (snRY5)
Nah, he'd surrender the guillotine to you if you give him a harsh stare.
Posted by: Retread at March 21, 2012 08:08 PM (joSBv)
Posted by: I am the egg man, . . . at March 21, 2012 08:09 PM (a362c)
Posted by: robtr at March 22, 2012 12:06 AM (MtwBb)
Actually, it sounds like they had only paid him 1.2 million of his 6.2 million bonus. And so they still owed him 5 million. And they settled it by agreeing to paying half.
Posted by: buzzion at March 21, 2012 08:09 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: buzzion at March 22, 2012 12:09 AM (GULKT)
Not what I read, I read they paid him the $5.2 Million after the lockout was settled in August.
Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2012 08:11 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 21, 2012 08:11 PM (IojUD)
Posted by: Max at March 21, 2012 08:12 PM (Mrdk1)
Posted by: NukemHill at March 21, 2012 08:12 PM (7WLzC)
Isn't getting your ass kicked while being on the ground a form of having your life threatened?
Or am I missing something here..
Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at March 21, 2012 08:12 PM (WKTJz)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 08:13 PM (sXiWR)
Or am I missing something here..
Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at March 22, 2012 12:12 AM (WKTJz)
I think that changes if you followed someone and started the fight.
Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2012 08:14 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 21, 2012 08:14 PM (IojUD)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 08:15 PM (snRY5)
As a practical matter before a jury? Maybe, maybe not. If you got a concussion, fractured skull, etc, maybe. Just bloodied up and banged around? Probably not.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 08:16 PM (sXiWR)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 21, 2012 08:16 PM (DGIjM)
Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2012 08:17 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 21, 2012 08:18 PM (8TMOJ)
What a hero.
Let's have a show of hands: How many people here have ever had someone try to murder you with a gun? I have. Christmas Eve, 1997, in the parking lot of my bookstore. The weapon was a Tec-9 with a 32-round clip and a perforated barrel extension. Apparently it jammed.
Knowing that I was about to be murdered was without question the worst moment of my life, and it threw my mind into chaos. When the gun was jammed in my face from about three inches away and the guy screamed, "Don't fuck with me, man!" I head a voice in my head say as clearly as a recorded announcement, "Time to die."
I immediately turned and ran, and my head was filled with images of fireworks, pajamas, Nazis, beaches, pies--it was as though everything I'd ever thought of was passing through my mind. I heard a slow countdown: "Ten. Nine. Eight. Seven..." and I knew when it reached "One," I would be shot in the back of the head. A tiny spot on the base of my skull the size of a dime became super-sensitized, and I knew that was where the bullet would hit.
I knew it would explode out my face, and I'd see my teeth and brains spraying out in front of me, and I'd feel the cold night air rushing into the hole in my head, stinging the rawness; then I'd fall face first into the asphalt and scrape my palms, chin, and knees, and then I'd die. I was pre-experiencing it, is the best way to describe that knowledge.
An airliner flew overhead, and I constructed an entire scenario in which I was whisked up into it, away from the gunman, and lived the rest of my life in peace. It was just like the Ambrose Bierce short story "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge." I imagined getting away, landing at LAX, meeting my family, and going home for Christmas dinner.
All of this happened in less than four seconds, as far as I can figure. I was running toward the other side of the street but remembered my brother and ran around the truck we were unloading because I couldn't leave him behind, and he collided with me at the front of the store. We managed to get inside and shut the steel door. My brother told me that the gunman took off after me but stopped because he didn't look like he could run. My brother and I are exercise fanatics.
I knew for sure I was about to be murdered, and it was far worse than I ever could've imagined. It was unmitigated horror, loneliness, and the absolute depths of sadness. I've never been so fucking sad. Unless you've experienced it, you have no clue what you're talking about.
Posted by: Llarry at March 21, 2012 08:21 PM (2Ln2D)
Posted by: AltonJackson has a minor announcement at March 21, 2012 08:22 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 21, 2012 08:22 PM (IojUD)
If you are on your back getting your ass kicked .. does it matter if the other guy has a gun? No. You have no way to know that the next punch to your face isn't going to be followed by twelve more until you are beaten to death.
Object lessons here for all to learn. Mistakes all around. I'm sure Zimmerman will regret ever volunteering to watch the neighborhood or carry a gun for the rest of his life. Taking a life for normal people is a very tramatic experience. I'm sorry for what happened, but the kid had just as much ability to de-escalate the situation as Zimmerman did. It's a two-way street.
Posted by: Max at March 21, 2012 08:23 PM (Mrdk1)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 22, 2012 12:18 AM (8TMOJ)
Oh please. That's bullshit.
This was nowhere near that level.
First degree Manslaughter at best.
Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at March 21, 2012 08:23 PM (WKTJz)
Anyway, any Morons gone through their mid-life crisis and if so, what age and can you describe your symptoms, please?
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 08:23 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: El Presidente at March 22, 2012 12:22 AM (JKNDp)
good luck.....haha
Posted by: The Dude at March 21, 2012 08:24 PM (M8yfa)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 22, 2012 12:18 AM (8TMOJ)
Do you have any relevant facts to support this? Especially any not already teased out in the thread?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 08:24 PM (kaalw)
Good point - there is probably no evidence of anyone ever being pummeled to death before - at least none that the general public is aware of.
Posted by: Rmoney at March 21, 2012 08:25 PM (7MFxV)
Being on the grouind getting seriously kicked is good enough for me.
If the other guy gets your gun you're dead, in any case..
Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at March 21, 2012 08:25 PM (WKTJz)
cthulhu, are you around and just lurking?
I wanted to thank you for letting me know about the Portal sale. My daughter particularly thanks you, although she has to finish her paper before she can play.
Posted by: Polliwog, Hobbit Teahada at March 21, 2012 08:26 PM (tD5no)
Posted by: Polliwog, Hobbit Teahada at March 21, 2012 08:26 PM (tD5no)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 08:27 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 22, 2012 12:22 AM (IojUD)
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No he would still be in his car driving around. I'll bet the little old lady would have been thinking about how to take the guy out as well.
Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2012 08:27 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Max at March 21, 2012 08:27 PM (Mrdk1)
I wanted to thank you for letting me know about the Portal sale. My daughter particularly thanks you, although she has to finish her paper before she can play.
Posted by: Polliwog, Hobbit Teahada at March 22, 2012 12:26 AM (tD5no)
You're quite welcome -- I thought it was amusing that it came up so quickly there after the discussion here.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 08:28 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 21, 2012 08:28 PM (DGIjM)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 08:28 PM (Z9EHQ)
This crisis is sure not going to waste. Seriously, a million hoodie march?
Posted by: Cindermutha at March 21, 2012 08:28 PM (esohW)
Posted by: befuddled at March 21, 2012 08:28 PM (xJU23)
If I'm out driving around late at night and someone follows a few too many of the turns on my route, I'll take several left or right turns in a row to circle back. Anyone who follows you in a circle of 4 left turns is a problem.
On foot, just letting them know you're aware of them and altering your posture/gait to a higher alert level is often enough to make someone with ill-intent go away.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 08:29 PM (sXiWR)
Posted by: Max at March 21, 2012 08:29 PM (Mrdk1)
I still remember watching that in the theatre. Like it happened yesterday.Glorious. Pure win.
Posted by: Poster at March 21, 2012 08:29 PM (xhEok)
Posted by: Max at March 22, 2012 12:27 AM (Mrdk1)
This sounds like one of those classic comedy bits:
Attractive female reporter: "Are you troubled by lustful thoughts about people you meet?"
Male interviewee: "No, ma'am -- I rather enjoy them."
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 08:30 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 21, 2012 08:30 PM (IojUD)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 22, 2012 12:28 AM (kaalw)
It was indeed...timely. Particularly since I missed the thread last night and almost decided to skip it this morning
Posted by: Polliwog, Hobbit Teahada at March 21, 2012 08:30 PM (tD5no)
Posted by: Jerry at March 21, 2012 08:31 PM (4SKYj)
This crisis is sure not going to waste. Seriously, a million hoodie march?
Posted by: Cindermutha
Shoulda checked out the crime maps...
Posted by: Rmoney at March 21, 2012 08:31 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 08:31 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 21, 2012 08:31 PM (IojUD)
Even if it's dark, when you're being chased by someone, *you're* the prey, so he defends himself and that makes it ok to end his life with a bullet. Nope, sorry. Zimmerman took a life with absolutely no justification and he deserves to zero sum out the game.
Posted by: SFGoth at March 21, 2012 08:31 PM (8TMOJ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 08:32 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Max at March 21, 2012 08:33 PM (Mrdk1)
Look, Zimmerman followed the guy in his car for awhile then called 911 and then got out of his car and started following him on foot. Now if someone did that to me and wasn't a cop I am going to really beleive he means to do me harm.
Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2012 08:33 PM (MtwBb)
Having been accused of trying to make it a racial issue when I described the man who cut my clothes off of me with a machete as having a Spanish accent and an Our Lady of Guadalupe tattoo, I am especially sensitive to the people who are trying to make this a racial issue.
Having lived in the actual hood (Lynwood CA) I am also extremely sympathetic towards people who have good reason to be fed up young minority males acting badly. ( I will also add that I never had a lick of trouble with any of the guys in our neighborhood and they were in fact very nice to me. But overall, it's a vicious, vicious way of life )
But if Mr Zimmerman did in fact run after the kid, I think at the very least he's gonna be in a world of hurt in civil court.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 08:34 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 08:34 PM (snRY5)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 08:34 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 22, 2012 12:31 AM (8TMOJ)
If it turns out this kid was kicking the crap out of him, he had a right to defend himself.
I've got a concealed carry, and if some stranger is kicking me violently in the head, I'd pop a cap on them ASAP.
Zimmerman was looking for trouble and that is his real legal problem.
Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at March 21, 2012 08:35 PM (WKTJz)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 21, 2012 08:35 PM (IojUD)
Oh yeah... black guy walking through a gated neighborhood at dark has every reason to fear an older, overweight, hispanic in a red sweater who gets out of a SUV and follows him... I've seen that shit all the time on cops.. fucking hispanics gang-bangin the black kid just eatin his skittles on his way to his Mom's house...
Posted by: Max at March 21, 2012 08:36 PM (Mrdk1)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 21, 2012 08:38 PM (IojUD)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 08:39 PM (snRY5)
If you close to under 21' of some unknown sketchy person, you're in danger of taking a fatal knife wound before you could draw and fire a pistol.
21' is the "magic number" that's held up in many court cases involving cop shooting of knife wielding perps.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 08:39 PM (sXiWR)
Look, Zimmerman followed the guy in his car for awhile then called 911 and then got out of his car and started following him on foot. Now if someone did that to me and wasn't a cop I am going to really beleive he means to do me harm.
Posted by: robtr at March 22, 2012 12:33 AM (MtwBb)
And you'll jump him and start beating him up, right?
We've got the one neighbor who said the shooter was getting beaten up on the ground. We've got a body. And we've got the usual conflicting stories that arise spontaneously when anything is remembered.
And we've got this system where 12 local people try to trace their way through all the baffling inconsistencies and decide what's right. They get information we won't, they know the area better than we do, and they will get specific instruction over distinctions made under local laws. We won't. Trying to force-feed this into any narrative is counterproductive.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 08:39 PM (kaalw)
There is a credible case for murder 2.
If the kid ran and was chased at faster than a walk, then the kid had a right to assume ill will and act in self defense himself. That makes the confrontation the sole responsibility of Zimmerman, and therefore the intent to kill not excused by self defense and therefore criminal while not premeditated.
Murder 2.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 21, 2012 08:40 PM (GE1+K)
Posted by: Jerry at March 21, 2012 08:41 PM (4SKYj)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 22, 2012 12:30 AM (IojUD)
Not here in washington. A guy got jumped by a hobo in broad daylight at Westlake Center with about 100 witnesses, the hobo started beating the crap out of the guy and he pulled a gun and shot him.
No charges, no million hoody march.
Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2012 08:41 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 08:41 PM (Z9EHQ)
How IS the lovely, strong, sassy, future Mrs Jerry doing these days, btw?
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 08:41 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Max at March 21, 2012 08:42 PM (Mrdk1)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 22, 2012 12:38 AM (IojUD)
He probably should have backed off at that point. and just kept his eye on the kid.
Having a gun means you have to back off unless you are directly threatened.
Any concealed carry will tell you that. I'm very passive whrn I carry. I avoid any confrontation.
Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at March 21, 2012 08:42 PM (WKTJz)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 22, 2012 12:31 AM (8TMOJ)
If it turns out this kid was kicking the crap out of him, he had a right to defend himself.
I've got a concealed carry, and if some strangeris kicking me violently in the head, I'd pop a cap on them ASAP.
Zimmerman was looking for trouble and that is his real legal problem. Posted by: Mr. Wonderful
Dude, doesn't Taylor have the right to defend himself? He's being followed in a fucking car. Driver gets out -- it's not the captain of the local cheerleading team, and he starts to tail Martin. Martin didn't start the chase and he apparently felt he had to either make a stand or get waxed. This is absurd. Don't defend Zimmerman because you fear he'll be the poster child for eviscerating the 2nd Amendment. Zimmerman went looking for a bad situation, he found it, and a 17 year old kid is dead as a result.
Posted by: SFGoth at March 21, 2012 08:42 PM (8TMOJ)
2 things which may only interest me:
1. I always thought and still do think that a feature film action flick thing about some aspect of chick secret agents of WW2 would sell a ton of popcorn.
2. Look at other the headline story on the left side of the Crash Day 87 page: US Navy shells Iranian installations - "Offshore tergets termed a base for gunboats"
Posted by: MikeD at March 21, 2012 08:43 PM (p8QOg)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 08:43 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: landofskybluewater at March 21, 2012 08:43 PM (JoIcn)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 22, 2012 12:39 AM (kaalw)
Yeah if he confronts me then protecting myself will be the next thing that happens. The stand your ground law works both ways you know.
Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2012 08:44 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at March 21, 2012 08:44 PM (WKTJz)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 21, 2012 08:44 PM (8TMOJ)
Posted by: Jerry at March 21, 2012 08:45 PM (4SKYj)
If a prosecutor doesn't think they can get a conviction, there isn't going to be an indictment. They might know the guy is guilty, but guilt and conviction are two different things.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 21, 2012 08:45 PM (sXiWR)
And you have a right to protect your home. But no right to push a confrontation on the street. You are not a cop.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 21, 2012 08:45 PM (GE1+K)
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It's unbelievable the drama going on in Denver. The guy practically saved the entire Bronco season, coming off the bench as a third stringer (unless they wanted to tank it,just like the Colts did to get Luck), wins a playoff victory against a top team,and now finds himself persona non grata.I see karma coming back and biting the Broncos in the ass in a big way.
Posted by: befuddled at March 21, 2012 08:47 PM (xJU23)
She's a lucky lady! And you're an equally lucky man. I'm glad y'all found each other!Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 08:47 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: The Skittles at March 21, 2012 08:47 PM (snRY5)
That may be the "normal" reaction. But what we have to consider are all reasonable responses. And confrontation with a pursuer is a reasonable response to being pursued.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 21, 2012 08:47 PM (GE1+K)
Posted by: navybrat at March 21, 2012 08:48 PM (CWF3q)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 08:49 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: MikeD at March 22, 2012 12:43 AM (p8QOg)
well, they already made a game about Violette Szabo. Sadly the game sucked but it was made
Posted by: The Dude at March 21, 2012 08:49 PM (M8yfa)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 08:49 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 08:49 PM (snRY5)
In police dash-cam videos, you see cops themselves screaming in total terror when someone tries to murder them. And those are trained, experienced law-enforcement personnel.
The only people who don't seem to lose their minds are soldiers who engage in close-quarter combat on a regular basis. For the rest of us, the experience is simply too horrible to tolerate.
I had flashbacks for years. A thuggish kid would walk toward me in a certain bouncy way or speak in a certain tone of voice with a Latino accent, and I'd suddenly find myself running blindly. Once I dove headfirst into bushes before I knew I was going to do it, scaring the hell out of the kid walking toward me.
"Don't do that, mister!" he wailed at me. "I don't mess with nobody!" He was almost in tears.
Posted by: Llarry at March 21, 2012 08:50 PM (2Ln2D)
Posted by: Zakn at March 21, 2012 08:51 PM (OtW8l)
Posted by: Max at March 21, 2012 08:51 PM (Mrdk1)
Posted by: navybrat at March 22, 2012 12:48 AM (CWF3q)
That is not true.
Self defense can happen anywhere.
Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at March 21, 2012 08:52 PM (WKTJz)
Posted by: Zakn at March 22, 2012 12:51 AM (OtW8l)
Child of Eden as long as the setup is perfect (big screen, great sound system and with Kinect)
Posted by: The Dude at March 21, 2012 08:53 PM (M8yfa)
Posted by: booger at March 21, 2012 08:53 PM (HI6wa)
Self defense can happen anywhere."
Try proving it in a court of law, where you have a gun, and the deceased does not.
I didn't say that you were either right or wrong, I said you were in a world of shit. And I jolly well stand by that.
Posted by: navybrat at March 21, 2012 08:54 PM (CWF3q)
Posted by: Zakn at March 21, 2012 08:54 PM (OtW8l)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 21, 2012 08:55 PM (IojUD)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 21, 2012 08:56 PM (8TMOJ)
Posted by: Jerry at March 22, 2012 12:51 AM (4SKYj)
Y'know, so much of my midlife crisis has been a midriff crisis......
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 08:56 PM (kaalw)
He ceased to be doing what he was "supposed to do" when he left his vehicle. Unless he was uniformed security he shouldn't be pursuing anyone.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 21, 2012 08:57 PM (GE1+K)
Well, I certainly appreciate life much more than I did before. And I always listen to the little voice in my head now. I've had days in which I'm about to go shopping, and that little voice says, "Don't go out." So I don't.
I knew when I saw the car idling in the parking lot that night that it was trouble, but I ignored it and was almost murdered. We found out later it was an attempted insurance scam on the part of the bookstore owner, who planned to have my brother and me killed and the truckload of books stolen so he could make a bogus claim that they were rare first editions. He was in debt up to his ears.
He died soon afterward, so no charges were ever filed. My brother and I saved his store by putting it in order because he was old and crippled by diabetes, and in return he tried to have us murdered.
That still gets to me.
Posted by: Llarry at March 21, 2012 08:57 PM (2Ln2D)
Posted by: NC Ref at March 21, 2012 08:59 PM (/izg2)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 22, 2012 12:56 AM (8TMOJ)
I heard that this morning, on my way to jury duty (not selected). Looks like the S.F. Sheriff will now be fired.
Heh.
Posted by: Arbalest at March 21, 2012 09:00 PM (gnScd)
"The Street"? It was all on private property. Not that anybody really cares...
Posted by: Rmoney at March 21, 2012 09:00 PM (7MFxV)
Was it his house and yard, or just some random patch of grass in the neighborhood that happened to belong to somebody hmmm? If you are using an easement to move across someones property I count that as "on the street" meaning essentially in public.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 21, 2012 09:03 PM (GE1+K)
Zimmer is in a world of shit.. but it was his property, inasmuch as it was not public property, it belonged to the residents of the subdivison, Martin was not a resident.
Posted by: Rmoney at March 21, 2012 09:04 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls at March 21, 2012 09:04 PM (YxaXw)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 09:05 PM (mZ+XA)
Posted by: Zakn at March 22, 2012 12:54 AM (OtW8l)
Are you up in MN? I am & I had a discussion with a buddy who recently got his carry permit about the implications of it.
Posted by: landofskybluewater at March 21, 2012 09:08 PM (JoIcn)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 21, 2012 09:08 PM (IojUD)
z, thinks he is doing his duty protecting the neighborhood from bozos. assorted criminals and thieves, he sees someone he hasn't seen before (doesnpt look like he saw the phone because it was dark out. thinks this guy is casing places.
probaly can't tell his age. its dark out.
srsly what a tragedy.
z pursues the kid asks what's the kid is doing ,
taylor -why are you following me.. this part gets strange why did hitting start?
tragedy, the kid should be alive srsly..
Posted by: willow at March 21, 2012 09:08 PM (TomZ9)
He had a right to transit that property to reach a destination where he had a right to be like anyone else who actually lived there. You can't claim private property unless it was Zimmermans yard or home, you can't claim even the street in front of his yard, even if he legally owned it.
I know folks are a little rough on property transit rules. But yes you do have a right to transit private property on all assumed easements.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 21, 2012 09:08 PM (GE1+K)
I saw something today that I have never seen before. The sun is actually starting to feel a little warm around here, and everyone is enjoying a little radiation.
Today I saw a moose that obviously just catching some rays. I have never seen a moose do that before, and I have never heard of it either. He found a sunny spot next to a darkly painted wall and he just stood there. For a little while I thought there might be something wrong with him, but I watched him long enough to know better. He was just relaxing in the sunshine.
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 09:09 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: booger at March 21, 2012 09:09 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 09:09 PM (snRY5)
I wonder about the Kaboom Clown, though. He shilled for Kaboom Cereal as some healthy-ish thing, but the Clown himself sounded like he smoked several packs a day and didn't have any nodding acquaintance with "health."
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 21, 2012 09:10 PM (i0App)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 09:11 PM (mZ+XA)
All of that latter part is as good as a warm bucket of spit.
You've got a unarmed dead kid, and an armed shooter who was in no way authorized to shoot in the commission of his duties.
Zimmer is done.
Posted by: navybrat at March 21, 2012 09:11 PM (CWF3q)
I mean seriously.
But he's 55 now and I was just wondering if it's that. He really seems to be irked by younger men.
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The case that I'd still probably have a tsroke over if I read the details again is the black guy on Long Island who had a bunch of drunken white guys come over to his house screaming and yelling about killing him and raping his wife and young daughter, and they get up on his driveway and he shot one of them and HE goes to prison. I still can't believe that man is in jail.
Maybe he got out on appeal, but I get pissed every time I think about it.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 09:12 PM (SsG4J)
Then there is that new game being played called "knock-out punch". A couple of deaths have resulted from this "game". Here is an American Thinker article on it from yesterday:
http://tinyurl.com/3kcx96p
Still, Zimmerman has trouble coming his way and he's earned it. How much trouble I can't say. Just today or yesterday a MS white boy pled guilty to 1st degree murder for killing a black man. He had earlier declared he was going to go hunt one, then bragged about it afterwards. He got a life sentence but I think he got off easy.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 21, 2012 09:14 PM (ccXZP)
Hey JC,, good to hear you can see sun again. Sorry we've been hoarding it here to get it up in the 80's.. so far It's been a wonderful winter here.
Posted by: beanervt at March 21, 2012 09:14 PM (KZLoo)
If Zimmerman isn't eventually prosecuted Holder will bring him up on civil rights crimes.
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 09:15 PM (mZ+XA)
I still can't get over the fact that people think it's acceptible to run away when a neighbor screams for help.
By all means, call 911.
But to lock yourself inside your house? No. Couldn't do that.
I'm not discounting the inherit danger, but if you can help you should. By locking yourself in your house, you are not helping anyone but yourself.
The presence of a third individual would have altered the dynamic.
Sufficient to change the outcome? Hard to say. But even a flashlight and a commanding voice can bring a stop to an assault.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2012 09:15 PM (XPGad)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 09:17 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Jerry at March 21, 2012 09:17 PM (4SKYj)
Posted by: garrett at March 22, 2012 01:15 AM (XPGad)
you would probably love the doc Superheroes, though everyone would dig the doc as it's quite interesting but also quite sad
Posted by: The Dude at March 21, 2012 09:17 PM (M8yfa)
Posted by: Damon Bailey at March 21, 2012 09:18 PM (Trgru)
Well, I guess you have to drill into the actual local law for that, but given the fact that it is a gated subdivision and that Martin was not a resident he had no legal 'right' to be there at all.
As a 'guest' he may have had some privileges to the common areas (may vary whether escorted or not ).
Making a beeline across other front and back yards - no right at all... or Zimmer.
Posted by: Rmoney at March 21, 2012 09:18 PM (7MFxV)
390I still can't get over the fact that people think it's acceptible to run away when a neighbor screams for help.
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Shit, during the cordless phone era, pre-cell phone my neighbor came to the door at 7AM wanting to borrow my phone because her whole house smelled like natural gas. We had three small kids, and a messy trashed house at the time so I told her our phone was broken, instead of let her see the messy house.
Posted by: Jimmah at March 21, 2012 09:19 PM (mZ+XA)
What time of day was it and how far north are you?
I roused a moose out of bed a couple weeks ago. It had chosen a sunny spot for the middle of the day.
Posted by: fluffy at March 21, 2012 09:19 PM (vRSeu)
Posted by: navybrat at March 21, 2012 09:20 PM (CWF3q)
And I will be as supportive as I can, but I just want to know how long it's going to last.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 09:21 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 09:22 PM (Z9EHQ)
and a 17 year old would know this or not??
I'm pretty sure he thought he was just taking a shortcut,
Posted by: willow at March 21, 2012 09:22 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 21, 2012 09:23 PM (75ggp)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 21, 2012 09:23 PM (IojUD)
Posted by: Jerry at March 21, 2012 09:24 PM (4SKYj)
1. unless you were there, the only information you have is at best been filtered by those with an interest in the circumstances being seen in a certain light
2. unless you've ever been in a confrontation or personal combat, you have no idea how quickly things can go bad. nor how those who's adrenaline is up can react to even something innocuous (or smart alecky).
3. the 911 tapes aired may or may not be complete. they may or may not have been edited by the police or the party airing them. plus without knowledge of who is making what sounds you cannot base a fair opinion on them.
4. that the police initially did not arrest mr. zimmerman is indicative that no indications were patently obvious AT THE TIME. this could mean that because mr. zimmerman had sustained injuries and had a past positive history they gave him the benefit of the doubt because they knew they could find him again. OR the "innocent" teenager showed indications that he had been doing something suspicious OR that he had a previous record (that record can't be acknowledged publicly by official spokes persons as he's underage)
5. I have rarely seen a relative of a criminal teen ever admit to the authorities or the media (or had it reported) that the teen was a criminal and was at fault. they're always "he's never done anything bad" "he's a good boy" he's never been in trouble with the law" et cetera, et cetera.
Let the law do it's job. yes even the racist doj should be allowed to do their investigation even though it appears to be pandering to all those who have jumped to conclusions based on nothing more than hearsay and circumstantial reports.
Posted by: The SMOD has been temporarily delayed until 2013. Please stand by. at March 21, 2012 09:24 PM (CP+yl)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 09:24 PM (Z9EHQ)
>>>As a 'guest' he may have had some privileges to the common areas
1. Unless their is some sort of draconian HOA, guests have full transit rights. If they don't the HOA has to take responsibility for enforcing those rules policing with uniform security, not some neighborhood watch guy.
>>>Making a beeline across other front and back yards - no right at all... or Zimmer.
2. And if he was confronted by one of those property owners the situation would be different. As he was confronted by a third party it is the same situation as if he was on a public street.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 21, 2012 09:25 PM (GE1+K)
Posted by: Zakn at March 21, 2012 09:25 PM (OtW8l)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 21, 2012 09:26 PM (MMOh+)
387 . The sun is actually starting to feel a little warm around here, and everyone is enjoying a little radiation.
Hey JC,, good to hear you can see sun again. Sorry we've been hoarding it here to get it up in the 80's.. so far It's been a wonderful winter here.
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 01:14 AM (KZLoo)
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We've got more than 12 hours of daylight now and we are gaining about 6 minutes each day. It is not what any of you would consider warm, but it is a nice change for us. Lots of sunshine.
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 09:27 PM (ufJKx)
Nothing personal jenny...
OK - You morons - real property ownership is readily available in the county GIS (waste a minute of your lives and look something up... or just keep reading the MFM) - the streets in this subdivison are privately owned by the residents.
Martin was not a resident.
As a 'guest', and I am quite sure the residents may have guests, they could buzz him through the fucking gate.
Reports were that Martin climbed over the gate, and...
... how long did it take for family to find out he was dead?
Posted by: Rmoney at March 21, 2012 09:27 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 09:27 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 09:29 PM (Z9EHQ)
words to live by IowaHawk
Posted by: The Dude at March 21, 2012 09:30 PM (M8yfa)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 09:33 PM (Z9EHQ)
That is where Zimmer may have screwed himself - he said it was to check the street sign to see where he was (only three streets in the subdivision) - not very credible, maybe even making a false statement.
Posted by: Rmoney at March 21, 2012 09:35 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 09:37 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2012 01:33 AM (Z9EHQ)
welcome to the past 4 give or take
Posted by: The Dude at March 21, 2012 09:40 PM (M8yfa)
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2012 09:40 PM (XPGad)
Ahh, a shit stirrer. Tell me, do you get a more uniform mix by stirring clockwise, or does counterclockwise work better?
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 21, 2012 09:42 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 21, 2012 09:44 PM (snRY5)
That is where Zimmer may have screwed himself - he said it was to check the street sign to see where he was (only three streets in the subdivision) - not very credible, maybe even making a false statement.
Posted by: Rmoney
I wonder if he had GPS....
Posted by: SFGoth at March 21, 2012 09:44 PM (8TMOJ)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 21, 2012 09:44 PM (75ggp)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 09:44 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 21, 2012 09:45 PM (8TMOJ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 09:46 PM (Z9EHQ)
Been out dancin' lately? Do you really have a pet bat???
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 09:46 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 01:44 AM (SsG4J)
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Happened to me, too. I thought it was caused by the formation of opinions at near light speed..
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 09:48 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 09:49 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 09:49 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: The Dude at March 21, 2012 09:49 PM (M8yfa)
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2012 09:49 PM (XPGad)
Pet bat??? No, but I have a 7.5# Persian kitty named Dork lying on my lap right this moment.
Posted by: SFGoth at March 21, 2012 09:49 PM (8TMOJ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 09:49 PM (Z9EHQ)
Robert usually brings on the good links but here's one with some variation...
http://tinyurl.com/6u97sag
Posted by: beanervt at March 21, 2012 09:50 PM (KZLoo)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2012 01:49 AM (Z9EHQ)
Looks like a lot of people got sucked in, so you might have something there.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 21, 2012 09:51 PM (xKC/c)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 09:52 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 09:53 PM (Z9EHQ)
Hey Yank5,, ya I have the easy job tonight,, doing next to nothing..
and MissT is see,,, Hey MissT..
Posted by: beanervt at March 21, 2012 09:55 PM (KZLoo)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 21, 2012 09:56 PM (6yW8q)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 21, 2012 09:57 PM (75ggp)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 09:58 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: beanervt at March 21, 2012 09:59 PM (KZLoo)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 10:00 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 21, 2012 10:03 PM (gkSHY)
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 10:03 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 10:03 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Jerry at March 21, 2012 10:04 PM (4SKYj)
Looks like an old bb or alt thread from 15 years ago.
although we have the pretty but useless tool bar above the comments still.
PIXY! OH PIXY! THE BLOGS BROKE!!!!
Posted by: The SMOD has been temporarily delayed until 2013. Please stand by. at March 21, 2012 10:04 PM (CP+yl)
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 02:03 AM (ufJKx)
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maybe you can also show me the right way to use question marks. apparently I can't get two of them right in a row.
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 10:05 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 10:06 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 10:10 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 10:11 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 02:03 AM (ufJKx)
Looks like the past tense of the verb, "to gallupize".
And, yeah, one of the hamsters just had a little fit and did a quadruple backflip on the wheel there.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 10:12 PM (kaalw)
and MissT is see,,, Hey MissT..
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 01:55 AM (KZLoo)
I did her once. not especially cute but very enthusiastic.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2012 02:00 AM (Z9EHQ)
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You have NO IDEA how much trouble this could get me in.
Hey bean!
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 10:12 PM (SsG4J)
Pixxy needs to change the hamster out for a freshie.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2012 10:14 PM (XPGad)
Posted by: Jerry at March 21, 2012 10:14 PM (4SKYj)
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 02:13 AM (4ixH5)
Elastic's wearing out.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 10:14 PM (kaalw)
Yeah I can see where they would have to know budgets for and when they get the money.. like the lottery you have to the right one at the right time..
Posted by: beanervt at March 21, 2012 10:15 PM (KZLoo)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 10:16 PM (Z9EHQ)
Or perhaps it was for another cause entirely: saving kids from Drama Club.
Has you child shown any of these sign that could lead to a future in musical theater? If so, we have a solution. For a very reasonable fee you can send your child to lovely Uganda to attend Joseph Kony's Boot Camp for At Risk Kids.
Posted by: epobirs at March 21, 2012 10:17 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Jerry at March 22, 2012 02:14 AM (4SKYj)
eh, dad bought one when I was 4 (Christmas of 86) and he never really cared about me being on and using the internet (as long as the bill wasn't insane). Never really not had the internet in the house
Posted by: The Dude at March 21, 2012 10:17 PM (M8yfa)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 21, 2012 10:17 PM (75ggp)
Posted by: Colonel Travis at March 21, 2012 10:18 PM (TRlpJ)
Posted by: Jerry at March 21, 2012 10:18 PM (4SKYj)
'Cause that's racist to point that out.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 21, 2012 10:18 PM (xKC/c)
hey tams,, i'll talk in little letters... hehee
I read of the tensions el thor so will keep it on the down low...
Posted by: beanervt at March 21, 2012 10:19 PM (KZLoo)
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 10:19 PM (4ixH5)
The C64 still had pretty good support through the early 90s. Sure, it was ancient but you could pick up a used system with a few thousand games and apps for very cheap to get a kid started.
Posted by: epobirs at March 21, 2012 10:20 PM (kcfmt)
Let me tell ya, it was worse before before 40, when you had to drive Route 66 straight through downtown.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 10:21 PM (SsG4J)
Do we have any English majors here tonight. I want to invent the word
"Gallupized." I think it is an adjective. Do we conjugate those?
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 02:03 AM (ufJKx)
Looks like the past tense of the verb, "to gallupize".
Posted by: cthulhu at March 22, 2012 02:12 AM (kaalw)
Well, if it was "fuck" we would know that it is a noun, verb, adjective, adverb, and just about everything else that can be defined as a part of english.
Adj. The gallupized man could not refrain from forming an immediate opinion about a foreign war in a country he had never visited and did not know anything about involving people he had never met and did not know by reputation.
verb. The crowd brutally gallupized the man who attempted to refuse to form an opinion about global warming because he had never taken an applicable math or science class of any kind.
I am trying to work out the details of a harsher version, which would be -- "Gallupficated."
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition, and no one ever wants to be gallupficated.
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 10:22 PM (ufJKx)
No anti-Marine rants, though, so I think his radar may have busted!
Robert, don't go gettin' all skinny on me.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 10:23 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 22, 2012 02:14 AM (kaalw)
But I've got my belt on.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 02:19 AM (4ixH5)
Wearing a tool belt with boxers doesn't count. And nobody's going to believe you can fix that tractor, anyhow.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 10:23 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Jerry at March 21, 2012 10:23 PM (4SKYj)
Yep Jerry,, that's basically it.. unless like I said you hit the lotto... meaning the dept got a flush of cash to hire a few new ones..
It's kind of the same for Teachers who have a pool the applications go in and supposedly random picked..yeah right. My daughter put her's in but grabbed a teaching at the Y job instead of holding her breath...
Posted by: beanervt at March 21, 2012 10:23 PM (KZLoo)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 21, 2012 10:25 PM (xKC/c)
Posted by: Jerry at March 21, 2012 10:27 PM (4SKYj)
'Cause that's racist to point that out.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 22, 2012 02:18 AM (xKC/c)
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It could, but it would have more to do with some stranger demanding your opinion about someone else doing that. If you disagreed with an Obumble-poodle's opinion on the same subject -- that would definitely be racist.
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 10:28 PM (ufJKx)
Wearing a tool belt with boxers doesn't count. And nobody's going to believe you can fix that tractor, anyhow.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 22, 2012 02:23 AM (kaalw)
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I thought the tool belt was for guaranteeing the appearance of plumber's crack.
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 10:30 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 10:32 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 10:33 PM (Z9EHQ)
at least not gallupficated ON,, does sound harsh JC.
No anti-Marine rants, though, so I think his radar may have busted!
probably only temporarily dulled by the tebow effect MissT...
Posted by: beanervt at March 21, 2012 10:34 PM (KZLoo)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 10:36 PM (kaalw)
I agree completely. Whatever the real facts are, the media narrative is getting gallupficated.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 22, 2012 02:36 AM (kaalw)
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Actually, the media coverage is an attempt to gallupficate everyone else.
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 10:37 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 10:38 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 10:41 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 10:42 PM (ufJKx)
Yes do it Jerry,, a lot of the young hires at least St Police here. are vets.. even our town police has hired from out of state recently.. Chief's get access to lots of info on prospective hires too so alls good if he can help.. I hope so..
Posted by: beanervt at March 21, 2012 10:43 PM (KZLoo)
I freely admit that the Tebow effect has been strong lately.
Damn near strong enough to drown out the Megyn Kelley/J-Lo/whatever hot girl happens to be on Survivor in a bikini at any given moment/ pron effect that is a constant around here.
Which is why I do not feel one bit bad about lusting after Tebow.
How unreasonable can you get??? He can look all damn day, and I could care less, but I get a crush every 15 years and it's meltdown time.
Okay, not, meltdown, but talk about Mr Sissy Pants Candy Ass Whiny Poo.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 10:43 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 10:45 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Jerry at March 21, 2012 10:45 PM (4SKYj)
Agreed Y5,, Cooth is bringing on the funneh tonight... Is there a bong party next door Cooth???
Posted by: beanervt at March 21, 2012 10:45 PM (KZLoo)
They do have the best chilis, though.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 10:46 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 10:47 PM (SsG4J)
That's just brutal. Maybe Mr. SPCAWP is just feeling unattractive lately. Perhaps it is time to find some young thing to bat eyelashes for a little while.
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 10:47 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 10:48 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 10:49 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 10:49 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 10:49 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 10:51 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 10:52 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 10:52 PM (Z9EHQ)
I hear Ya MissT,, where's the equal time or even a small dot of the time??
Posted by: beanervt at March 21, 2012 10:52 PM (KZLoo)
Posted by: vika ut sig at March 21, 2012 10:52 PM (sqVOl)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 22, 2012 02:51 AM (kaalw)
You go get ya some, Cooth!
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 10:52 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 21, 2012 10:53 PM (kaalw)
He survived my crush on JFK Jr, no problem.
I doubt he could have handled my Bo Duke phase, though.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 10:53 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Zakn at March 21, 2012 10:55 PM (OtW8l)
Too soon?Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 10:55 PM (4ixH5)
cthulu, I am so jealous, I love Flower shows. I'd love to go to Chelsea some day.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 10:55 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 10:56 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 21, 2012 10:57 PM (75ggp)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 10:57 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 10:57 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Zakn at March 22, 2012 02:55 AM (OtW8l)
If I were Tebow there's no way I could restrain myself around this...
http://tinyurl.com/7omnkdt
I'd be tearing that shit apart right there.
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 10:58 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 02:56 AM (SsG4J)
How YOU doin'?
Posted by: Zombie JFK Jr. at March 21, 2012 11:00 PM (4ixH5)
Sounds like a 1st night with a new video game. lol
Posted by: Berserker at March 21, 2012 11:01 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:01 PM (Z9EHQ)
40% -- I really just don't give a shit.
51% -- I care, but I haven't had time to study the facts and context yet, so I just don't know yet.
5% -- I took an immediate interest in the issue and I have spent over ___ hours studying. I have a preliminary opinion that could improve with additional input.
3.8% -- This issue is in my professional field and I can offer a professional opinion, however, my opinion would improve with additional study of the facts and context.
0.2% -- I actually saw it happen. My opinion is fixed in place because I know what I saw.
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 11:02 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: vika at March 21, 2012 11:03 PM (sqVOl)
Posted by: The Dude at March 21, 2012 11:04 PM (M8yfa)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:05 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: vika at March 21, 2012 11:05 PM (sqVOl)
Posted by: sistrum at March 21, 2012 11:06 PM (AyryN)
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:06 PM (4ixH5)
**************
yankee, that made me feel better, thank you!
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:07 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2012 03:05 AM (Z9EHQ)
We thought it would be a nice geeft after all the theengs theese admeeneestration has done for us.
Posted by: Association of Mexican Drug Cartels at March 21, 2012 11:08 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: vika at March 21, 2012 11:08 PM (sqVOl)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 03:05 AM (sqVOl)
Time for everybody to put on a gimp mask. Party!
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:09 PM (4ixH5)
http://tinyurl.com/7rrsnl5
No explanation needed here.
http://tinyurl.com/7uekww3
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:11 PM (4ixH5)
If Thor stared at pron for 23 hours straight, yea, I'd have to smack him. I have no idea what my breaking point would be, but so far, I'm fine with it. We used to get a couple movies a month, before the interwebz. Men like to watch nekkid wimmenz, that's for sure.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:11 PM (SsG4J)
brb, gotta do that too....thanks for the reminder!
Posted by: Richard Gere at March 21, 2012 11:13 PM (/izg2)
http://tinyurl.com/7o2gkjz
Kidding!
Here's one to get Tammy all twitterpated.
http://tinyurl.com/7odwvxv
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:13 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: The Dude at March 22, 2012 03:12 AM (M8yfa)
Ah! He looks like Friar Tuck.
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:15 PM (4ixH5)
Yeah, I'm definitely guilty of that. And damn proud of it!
Posted by: NC Ref at March 21, 2012 11:15 PM (/izg2)
See, now the man will benefit from all this Twitterpating, I don't know why he bitches so!
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:16 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 03:10 AM (sqVOl)
mmff mff mffm ffmmmm mmmffff mmmfff mfff!!!
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:16 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2012 11:17 PM (ij7tA)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:17 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 03:16 AM (SsG4J)
Well Thor isn't a machine! Even thunder gods need rest, too.
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:17 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:21 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:22 PM (4ixH5)
Taste testing is good too. lol
Posted by: Berserker at March 22, 2012 03:19 AM (FMbng)
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And some of us are honestly working on the important task of improving our Braille.
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 11:22 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:23 PM (Z9EHQ)
Hellen Keller pron?
Posted by: Berserker at March 21, 2012 11:24 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:24 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 21, 2012 11:25 PM (75ggp)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:25 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 03:16 AM (SsG4J)
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cuz Thor is really a different word pronounced with a lithp?
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 11:25 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:26 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:27 PM (Z9EHQ)
yankee, I suspect I am far older than you and your wife. I was never bothered by it, but I think most women would feel less threatened by it as they got older and more secure about the relationship.
And now I can feel my filters engage, so I will stop!
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:27 PM (SsG4J)
Anyone know the best way to set a fund of this type up. My father was murdered about a year and a half ago. Totally random act, some dude just walked into a nice restaurant/bar and slit my dad's throat (details here http://tinyurl.com/2eaogs2 and here http://tinyurl.com/6nggnvn). My father supported my grandmother and me and my brothers are struggling to support her properly. Dealing with this has caused me and my brother to lose jobs, relationships, have pretty bad mental issues, etc. Trying to figure a way to set up a fund for my grandmother because some have wanted to help. Any thoughts would be appreciated
Posted by: UTLonghorns at March 21, 2012 11:27 PM (9gukw)
Chicks dig broad shoulders, right?
http://tinyurl.com/7stvgde
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:28 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:28 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 03:28 AM (SsG4J)
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Thometimes we get tho thor we can hardly pith !!!
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 11:30 PM (ufJKx)
It's getting borderline too muscly on his actual back, but I could lick the monitor right across those shoulders.....
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:30 PM (SsG4J)
Reminds me of a joke I heard a billion years ago.
Thor the mighty comes to earth and ends up meeting some hot babe. He grabs her and ravages her for a few hours. When its over he stands up and says "I am Thor".
The chick says "Thor? You're thor? I'm so thor I can't even pith".
Posted by: Berserker at March 21, 2012 11:30 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: bergerbilder at March 21, 2012 11:31 PM (j+Izh)
Posted by: vika at March 21, 2012 11:32 PM (sqVOl)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:32 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 03:27 AM (SsG4J)
Ah! I see now. Well, abuse away! Here, let me get you primed....
http://tinyurl.com/85grwft
Wait, wrong image...
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:32 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 03:32 AM (sqVOl)
Some people have a wine cellar, you have a dungeon?
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:34 PM (4ixH5)
vika, interesting comment about the different kind of intimacy...
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:34 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:34 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 03:30 AM (SsG4J)
Here's a bigger version for better licking.
http://tinyurl.com/7aocvmw
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:35 PM (4ixH5)
Shit yeah. There are some women that could wear you down to a nub. lol
Posted by: Berserker at March 21, 2012 11:36 PM (FMbng)
I am so sorry.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:37 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 03:32 AM (SsG4J)
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The worst part isn't getting sore. The worst part is what it does to the aim.
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 11:37 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: vika at March 21, 2012 11:37 PM (sqVOl)
For what it's worth ...
My hubby has no idea what I think of Ben Browder and it's going to stay that way ...
It all balances out, IMAO, 'cause Ben Browder has no idea either ...
Posted by: Adriane at March 21, 2012 11:39 PM (crQEo)
yeah what the hell is with that?
Posted by: Berserker at March 21, 2012 11:39 PM (FMbng)
I am so sorry.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 03:37 AM (SsG4J)
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My sympathies as well. There is some chance that an email to Ace or one of the co-bloggers might lead to further ideas.
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 11:40 PM (ufJKx)
Now, about this soreness thing....or maybe not. Maybe not. But damn it, I wanna know!
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:41 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: vika at March 21, 2012 11:41 PM (sqVOl)
Posted by: UTLonghorns at March 21, 2012 11:41 PM (9gukw)
Posted by: UTLonghorns at March 21, 2012 11:43 PM (9gukw)
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:44 PM (4ixH5)
Please accept my condolences.
There might be Victim's Advocate offices in your locality that can get you in touch with people // groups that can help.
Posted by: Adriane at March 21, 2012 11:44 PM (crQEo)
There is nothing to know. The sucker isn't titanium coated. A chick can wreck you a few different ways. Sharp teeth, kung fu grip, etc etc
Posted by: Berserker at March 21, 2012 11:44 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:45 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: vika at March 21, 2012 11:45 PM (sqVOl)
Posted by: UTLonghorns at March 22, 2012 03:41 AM (9gukw)
That's ten kinds of fucked up. Sorry to hear about that, guy.
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:45 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Turner & Hoochie at March 21, 2012 11:46 PM (DATOZ)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 03:41 AM (sqVOl)
Coffee cup rings, I expect. And knives. I don't know why but I imagine lots of knives.
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:46 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:46 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: vika at March 21, 2012 11:47 PM (sqVOl)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:48 PM (Z9EHQ)
So what I was going to ask if the soreness was a good thing or bad and now I am thinking bad.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:48 PM (SsG4J)
There is nothing to know. The sucker isn't titanium coated. A chick can wreck you a few different ways. Sharp teeth, kung fu grip, etc etc
Posted by: Berserker at March 22, 2012 03:44 AM (FMbng)
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And, during those years when a guy could pop lots of times within a few hours each one would make it more and more tender until is was way oversensitive. Peeing the next day was always an adventure. Some of it was in the 'hurts so good' category, but hurt is a real statement, not just some BS.
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 11:48 PM (ufJKx)
hmmmm. Far be it for me to argue with the intertubes, but that chin looks wrong.
Still, thank you for the kind thoughts.
Posted by: Adriane at March 21, 2012 11:51 PM (crQEo)
Posted by: vika at March 21, 2012 11:51 PM (sqVOl)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:52 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: jack at March 21, 2012 11:52 PM (A+59T)
Yankee, do tell us about your peculiar traits.......
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:52 PM (SsG4J)
yeah what the hell is with that?
Posted by: Berserker at March 22, 2012 03:39 AM (FMbng)
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It ain't just you and me. Didja ever see that scene in Me, Myself and Irene?
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 11:52 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: UTLonghorns at March 21, 2012 11:53 PM (9gukw)
Roses are red,
The grass o'r the septic tank is green,
What you can not have,
Is always, as utopia, seen ...
Posted by: Adriane at March 21, 2012 11:54 PM (crQEo)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:54 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:54 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: jack at March 21, 2012 11:55 PM (A+59T)
Posted by: vika at March 21, 2012 11:55 PM (sqVOl)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 21, 2012 11:56 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 21, 2012 11:57 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2012 03:48 AM (Z9EHQ)
http://tinyurl.com/6mm72zt
http://tinyurl.com/8g2vrc
I'm fine with my fantasies.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 03:54 AM (4ixH5)
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Robert, your fantasy girl has 13 different breast sizes in 6 pix. How in hell did she do that?
Posted by: jc at March 21, 2012 11:58 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: Tim Tebow at March 21, 2012 11:58 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 03:58 AM (ufJKx)
I don't question it, I just find the best one and give it a good rub.
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2012 11:59 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: UTLonghorns at March 21, 2012 11:59 PM (9gukw)
May take lots of practice though, I warn you!Especially now that I am intimidated knowing yankee is such a perfectionist.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 12:00 AM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 12:01 AM (SsG4J)
Posted by: bergerbilder at March 22, 2012 12:01 AM (j+Izh)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2012 12:02 AM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 12:04 AM (SsG4J)
I would still bend her over a desk.
Posted by: Berserker at March 22, 2012 12:05 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Berserker at March 22, 2012 04:05 AM (FMbng)
Three way with the cat girl, Gigi Edgley.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:07 AM (4ixH5)
I am so busted again tomorrow, when I have to explain all these questions.
And please, no talk about bending ladies over desks, that's about what got me in to trouble last time.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 12:08 AM (SsG4J)
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 04:05 AM
Yeah thats about it. Safer to just go outside. lol
Posted by: Berserker at March 22, 2012 12:08 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Adriane at March 22, 2012 12:09 AM (crQEo)
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:10 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2012 12:11 AM (Z9EHQ)
apologies to vikings everywhere
Posted by: Adriane at March 22, 2012 12:12 AM (crQEo)
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:13 AM (4ixH5)
Not sure if it would be a fantasy or a look back at Vika's youth... (lollipop chainsaw)
http://tinyurl.com/75x2wdf
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 12:13 AM (KZLoo)
I am so busted again tomorrow, when I have to explain all these questions.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 04:08 AM (SsG4J)
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glad to be of service, milady.
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 12:13 AM (ufJKx)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 04:12 AM (sqVOl)
We will share in cake which we know to be a lie but we accept the lie for it is most delicious cake.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:13 AM (4ixH5)
mmmm chocolate cake, chocolate on chocolate, shit thats so dark its bad for the eyes. There is no other cake.
Posted by: Berserker at March 22, 2012 12:13 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 12:13 AM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 04:13 AM (SsG4J)
Vika and Cooth have been stealing them all.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:14 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 12:14 AM (SsG4J)
Not sure if it would be a fantasy or a look back at Vika's youth... (lollipop chainsaw)
http://tinyurl.com/75x2wdf
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 04:13 AM (KZLoo)
Bean!
I can't see the review, but...Lollipop Chainsaw...does it have cute chainsaw weilding lollipop sucking girls? Cause that would be pretty awesome.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:15 AM (4ixH5)
yup, and with an edible chocolate plate.
Posted by: Berserker at March 22, 2012 12:16 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 12:16 AM (SsG4J)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 04:14 AM (sqVOl)
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I thought dere were two yutes.
Posted by: vincent gambini, esq. at March 22, 2012 12:16 AM (ufJKx)
Posted by: Mme "[i]Apres moi, le deluge[/i]" at March 22, 2012 12:17 AM (j+Izh)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 12:18 AM (SsG4J)
From the review title: It's a xbox game..
A hot blonde is sawing the undead in half in Suda 51's latest game.
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 12:19 AM (KZLoo)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 12:20 AM (sqVOl)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 12:20 AM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:21 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 12:22 AM (sqVOl)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 04:20 AM (SsG4J)
I'm trying to cut out the sugary drinks. I had a...two? Three year old unopened pack of Lipton unsweetened ice tea in my cabinet? Part of the hurricane supply cabinet.
Still okay!
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:22 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 04:21 AM (4ixH5)
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Especially if she has resizable breasts.
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 12:23 AM (ufJKx)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 12:23 AM (SsG4J)
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 12:24 AM (ufJKx)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 12:24 AM (sqVOl)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 12:24 AM (SsG4J)
Duh - 3 pieces of breast meat + Cornbread = $7.99
- 2 pieces of breast meat + side, drink = $6.99
Please drive thru and pay at the 2nd window
Posted by: Adriane at March 22, 2012 12:25 AM (crQEo)
Well let me add more then,,, wearing them hawt cheerleader eyeball magnets....
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 12:26 AM (KZLoo)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 04:23 AM (SsG4J)
No, no, it's the teabags! I'm a teabaggin' foo...
No, wait, that didn't come out right.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:27 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 04:26 AM (KZLoo)
Two thumbs WAY up!
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:27 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 04:23 AM (ufJKx)
Sometimes you feel like spillover. Sometimes you want a happy handful.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:28 AM (4ixH5)
Thanks for another terrific night, even with the hamster troubles....
Night, all!
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 22, 2012 12:31 AM (SsG4J)
707 Especially if she has resizable breasts.
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 04:23 AM (ufJKx)
Sometimes you feel like spillover. Sometimes you want a happy handful.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 04:28 AM (4ixH5)
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http://tinyurl.com/2fa9ymr
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 12:33 AM (ufJKx)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 12:33 AM (sqVOl)
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:36 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 12:37 AM (sqVOl)
Posted by: NC Ref at March 22, 2012 12:37 AM (/izg2)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 12:40 AM (sqVOl)
Posted by: NC Ref at March 22, 2012 04:37 AM (/izg2)
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Can you go with the Jewish mother, "my other son is a doctor" approach?
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 12:41 AM (ufJKx)
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:43 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Adriane at March 22, 2012 04:43 AM (crQEo)
In the shape of a prick. With horns like a triceratops.
Cast it in gold.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:44 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 04:33 AM (ufJKx)
Workblocked. *Tear*
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 04:36 AM (4ixH5)
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It was the most wonderful posting in the history of history. Too bad you missed it.
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 12:45 AM (ufJKx)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 12:45 AM (sqVOl)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 12:49 AM (sqVOl)
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:49 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2012 12:51 AM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 04:49 AM (sqVOl)
Sorry, we got to subsidize birth control first.
Maybe some kindly hatemonger out there will build a rocket powered by burning korans?
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:51 AM (4ixH5)
Heh. We're going to have to go with SNL's "Lowered Expectations" skit: "My other son is so not racist like #1 son because #2 son is better educated and voted for Obama and is also very concerned about global warming and how #OWS can better run government for all of us. Please tip Bill Maher on your way out, I am so disappointed that Keith Olbermann is on that new channel instead of MSNracistBC."
Seriously. My family is stupid fucking lib. Thanks for listening to me bitch.
Posted by: NC Ref at March 22, 2012 12:51 AM (/izg2)
Posted by: NC Ref at March 22, 2012 04:51 AM (/izg2)
No problem.
Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.
*Salutes*
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:54 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: vika at March 22, 2012 12:56 AM (sqVOl)
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:57 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Adriane at March 22, 2012 04:57 AM (crQEo)
I was gonna make a joke but didn't think it would go over well.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 12:58 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: bergerbilder at March 22, 2012 01:02 AM (j+Izh)
Heh. We're going to have to go with SNL's "Lowered Expectations" skit: "My other son is so not racist like #1 son because #2 son is better educated and voted for Obama and is also very concerned about global warming and how #OWS can better run government for all of us. Please tip Bill Maher on your way out, I am so disappointed that Keith Olbermann is on that new channel instead of MSNracistBC."
Seriously. My family is stupid fucking lib. Thanks for listening to me bitch.
Posted by: NC Ref at March 22, 2012 04:51 AM (/izg2)
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I suggest the "every compliment is really an insult" method. Ask the morons for a list and you'll be ready to go.
"I will certainly pay that statement the attention it deserves." There are thousands of ways to say FOAD without giving the victim the satisfaction of even being sure you did.
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 01:02 AM (ufJKx)
Don't think son. Get out the desk and experiment ...
Posted by: Adriane at March 22, 2012 01:03 AM (crQEo)
Posted by: Adriane at March 22, 2012 01:05 AM (crQEo)
Posted by: NC Ref at March 22, 2012 01:08 AM (/izg2)
Posted by: NC Ref at March 22, 2012 04:51 AM (/izg2)
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Well, there is always the hope you were adopted.
Posted by: Mortimer Brewster at March 22, 2012 01:08 AM (ufJKx)
I got a stencil to decorate Bed Room #2 & having never painted a stencil ... the hubby suggested that since we're painting BR #3, practice the stencil in there since it's going to get painted over anyway !!!
The hubby is a practical bastige at times ...
Posted by: Adriane at March 22, 2012 01:11 AM (crQEo)
and big enough to move all teh muzzies to da moon,,, they then will have their one muzzie world with no opposition... no one to hate but themselves..
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 01:13 AM (KZLoo)
Posted by: NC Ref at March 22, 2012 01:13 AM (/izg2)
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 01:13 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 05:13 AM (KZLoo)
I was thinking...Jupiter. Or Uranus. Yes, definitely Uranus.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 01:14 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Mortimer Brewster
Tell me about it. I remember being 9 and 1/2 years old trying to figure out why my Mommy and new "Daddy" were so scared that my man Ronald Reagan was going to be President. Because I was one of the < 20% of my 6th grade class that voted Conservative. To this day not much has changed.
Posted by: NC Ref at March 22, 2012 01:17 AM (/izg2)
(remove spaces)
http:// www.artfire.com /ext/shop /studio /CuttingEdgeStencils /10/1/0/
Posted by: Adriane at March 22, 2012 01:20 AM (crQEo)
Ya Robert that would work,, further the better.. and you'd get a nice intro line for the arrival,, Uranus here's a load of asses...
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 01:21 AM (KZLoo)
Ya Robert that would work,, further the better.. and you'd get a nice intro line for the arrival,, Uranus here's a load of asses...
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 05:21 AM (KZLoo)
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If that load of fuckups were to go to Uranus would they only be allowed to touch it with one hand?
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 01:23 AM (ufJKx)
I think galactic federation law would supersede muzzie fantasy in this instance and they would be required to slide on the ground like a dog,, no hands apply
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 01:32 AM (KZLoo)
Posted by: bergerbilder at March 22, 2012 01:32 AM (j+Izh)
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 01:33 AM (ufJKx)
Anyway, thanks in advance for the input.
Posted by: bergerbilder at March 22, 2012 05:32 AM (j+Izh)
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Analyze your choices based on what will give you the most flexibility going forward. If cash hording will give you flexibility, do that. If cash investment will give you more flexibility, do that instead.
As a general rule, never put money in a car you are going to sell. For houses, a little money helps if it makes for curb appeal, but there is a very sharp line where the law of diminishing returns starts to take over.
Posted by: jc at March 22, 2012 01:37 AM (ufJKx)
Work!
Good night, Bean, Adriane, JC, Berger!
Good morning, Vic!
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 01:38 AM (4ixH5)
The 5200 slots are sold but They could just raise the cost to thin the herd...
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 01:39 AM (KZLoo)
Is that the fear of triskits Adriane??
nite Robert, and JC
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 01:49 AM (KZLoo)
I am overly emotional when it comes to homes/houses, so I have no rational advice.
Best of luck, though ...
Posted by: Adriane at March 22, 2012 01:50 AM (crQEo)
To me this has the Duke Witch Hunt flavor to it. Lets see what the real investigation turns up here first. We also need to keep in mind the MFM has two targets here, first they love to make a big deal out of any time a "white" kills a black (note Hispanics are not a minority when they kill a black) and second, they hate some anti-gun control laws. They are attacking both here.
We may find that this "neighborhood watch guy acted inappropriately and should be charged, but lets get the whole story before we go all "Duke" on it.
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 01:51 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Adriane at March 22, 2012 01:52 AM (crQEo)
80's again today,, but back to 50's on the weekend. was fun while it lasted.
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 01:53 AM (KZLoo)
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 01:56 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: bergerbilder at March 22, 2012 02:00 AM (j+Izh)
Number 1 priority paint and repairs.
Number 2 new carpet if the exiting carpet is aged.
Number 3 small improvements in the kitchen and bathroom
Number 4 landscaping if you do it yourself. This gets them in the house to look but doesn't increase the price.
Most everything else is a waste of money. What sells a house is still 3 things, location, location, location.
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 02:07 AM (YdQQY)
Oh nice Vic, I love the smell of the budding apple flowers. My lilacs are budding but we're not out of the woods for freezing temps yet..
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 02:09 AM (KZLoo)
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 02:10 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 22, 2012 02:15 AM (niZvt)
Morning CC,, yeah prez putts not giving the minions much to work with..but if they can continue not reporting the real unemployment, real debt, real shitty economy then it may be close...
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 02:23 AM (KZLoo)
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 02:23 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 22, 2012 02:24 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: bergerbilder at March 22, 2012 02:24 AM (j+Izh)
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 02:25 AM (YdQQY)
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I think that is speculation. They don't really know and the standoff is continuing.
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 02:26 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 22, 2012 02:26 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 22, 2012 02:27 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 22, 2012 02:27 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 22, 2012 06:27 AM (i6RpT)
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OK, that must be brand new because I just went through all the newspapers and nobody was reporting it.
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 02:28 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 02:32 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 02:37 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 02:38 AM (YdQQY)
10.35 Police sources say Mohammed Merah is dead, reports Fiona Govan.
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 02:39 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 22, 2012 02:41 AM (i6RpT)
now I suppose the isloboobs will have to go in rage mode..
Posted by: beanervt at March 22, 2012 02:42 AM (KZLoo)
Posted by: EuroMSM at March 22, 2012 02:42 AM (j+Izh)
Posted by: Miss Marple at March 22, 2012 02:47 AM (GoIUi)
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Apparently she is a reporter for The Telegraph who is on the scene reporting live.
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 02:47 AM (YdQQY)
10.45 Didier Martinez, of the SGP police union, has just confirmed to media at the scene that Merah is dead.
10.43 Fiona Govan says another ambulance has just sped away from the scene with its blue lights flashing.
10.41 Police sources have told AFP that three police have been wounded, one seriously in the final assault moments ago.
Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2012 02:48 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 02:56 AM (4ixH5)
Suck barbed cocks in hell you murdering motherfucker.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2012 02:58 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Craig at March 22, 2012 05:23 AM (6ekow)
'Stand Your Ground' shouldn't give you license to go around confronting people and then killing them when the confrontation doesn't go your way.
I'm pretty sure the initiater of confrontation doesn't get to claim that they're entitled to 'Stand Your Ground' protection. If anyone should be able to invoke the SYG rights, it would be Trayvon Martin, since he was the one confronted, and should have had an imminent fear for his life.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at March 22, 2012 05:50 AM (1hM1d)
And I'm not just saying that because this year is the 70th anniversary of "Casablanca."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 22, 2012 06:09 AM (exvgC)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 22, 2012 06:11 AM (exvgC)
If Zimmerman is charged any half decent defense attorney will be able to get a change of venue, plus God knows what else, thanks to the incessant media coverage. The case is being tried by CNN.
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I keep hearing that the Martin kid was an "honor student" (though the media trots that out for any kid with a pulse). If so, what was he doing running the streets, Skittles or not, that late? He should have been home in bed. And when accosted by Zimmerman, he should have been polite, told the neighborhood watchman, "I live right over there; my dad'll vouch for me," and taken him up to the house to prove it. Problem solved.
The MSM keeps lying like Persian rugs, too, showing pics of Trayvon at age 13 to make everyone think a child's been shot. He was 17, 6'3" compared to Zimmerman's 5'2", and on the football team at school -- not some little munchkin.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 22, 2012 06:17 AM (exvgC)
Idiot "lesbians," this Trayvon bullshit, worst Maetenloch ONT ever.
Posted by: Hinks at March 22, 2012 06:36 AM (cEdZt)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 22, 2012 06:48 AM (dZ756)
before this event the sub-division had, what, 40 something cases of B&E, robbery, theft in the last year...
Anybody up for a pool on how long before the next B&E, robbery, theft crime occurs in this sub-division?
Posted by: rmoney at March 22, 2012 07:57 AM (7MFxV)
Whose ground do you think Martin was standing on anyway?
If I catch some a-hole hanging in my front yard and confront him, that makes me the bad guy.
Posted by: rmoney at March 22, 2012 08:01 AM (7MFxV)
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