May 27, 2012
— Maetenloch
Well since the cobloggers have already done such a good job covering Memorial Day topics and I'm kinda tired after cleaning all day, tonight's going to be mostly a movie night.
And tonight's feature is The Andromeda Strain (1971). The original good one - not that POS that appeared a few years ago.
After a US government satellite crashes near the town of Piedmont, New Mexico, a microbe attached to the satellite kills all but two of the town's inhabitants - a sixty-two-year-old man and an infant. Some of those who died show signs of having first gone mad. The mechanism of death is massive clotting and granulation of every drop of blood in their bodies. An elite scientific team takes the satellite into a secret underground laboratory in the Nevada desert, known as the Wildfire Complex, in order to study it. The new life form is assigned the code name Andromeda. Within a couple of days the microbe mutates into a form that degrades synthetic rubber gaskets and thus escapes containment.
This was based on the excellent book, The Andromeda Strain, which was Michael Crichton's first novel which he wrote while in Harvard medical school. Even though though the movie and book are now over 40 years old other than a some dated technology and references it still holds up quite well. Crichton knew his science and really did have a good vision of where technology was going.
One thing I liked about the book was that it included graphs, print outs, and even had footnotes. I tried one time to track down the footnoted references but either they were old enough that the university library no longer kept them or they were just made up as part of the book itself.
The film is very well done and stays very faithful to the book. In particular the editing is very tight so the story moves right along, never drags, and doesn't waste time doing needless exposition. I also liked the fact that the scientists were actually smart (as opposed to movie-smart where they act like jerks and spout gibberish) but also made mistakes and went down blind-alleys at times.
It's also a refreshing change from modern movies to see the military characters treated as smart and competent as well and not lazily made out to be the enemy e.g. Outbreak. Here the real enemy is the bug itself and it's a race to see whether the humans can find its weakness using the two survivors in time to prevent annihilation.
And here is part one of 13:
And here are the rest:
Hat tip to Harvey at IMAO for reminding about this movie.
The Modern Pauline Kael Syndrome
Pauline Kael was the influential film critic for New Yorker from 1968 to 1991 who supposedly stated after Richard Nixon's 1972 landslide victory, "that she 'couldn't believe Nixon had won', since no one she knew had voted for him." Well it turns out that what she actually said was this:
I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don't know. They're outside my ken. But sometimes when I'm in a theater I can feel them.
Which is a more nuanced quote that shows that she lived in a bubble and was quite aware (and satisfied) that she did. Well plus ça change...here's a recent quote by New Yorker writer, John Cassidy:
In my neck of artisanal, hormone-free Brooklyn, the latest CBS News/New York Times poll, which shows Mitt Scissorhands leading "The First Gay President" by three points, landed with a nasty thud. "I can't believe he might lose," my wife said when she spotted the offending numbers on the Web. "People are really willing to vote for Mitt Romney? They hate Obama so much they'd vote for Romney?"
9 Childhood Rules Best Forgotten by Adults
Wives' tales that continue to live on...
- Never go swimming after eating.
Truth: The American Red Cross reports that there is no increased risk in cramping if you've consumed food prior to swimming. - Chocolate causes acne.
Truth: No food type causes zits, although too much of any food is not good for the body. - Eat carrots, have great vision.
Truth: I can speak to this one directly. Mom fed me so much baby carrot food that I turned jaundiced. And I've worn glasses since the 4th grade. - If you crack your knuckles, you'll get arthritis.
Truth: Not true, although my thumb joint wonders sometimes . . .
Actually carrots for good vision is a propaganda story spread by the British government during WWII to cover up the existence of radar and Engima decrypts and explain away the undue success of the RAF.
Two words: Brain Tapeworms
The Mongols! - The Short Version
So how did a small band of herders who occasionally engaged in some light hunting-gathering become one of the most formidable fighting forces in the world in the space of 25 years? This video explains.
What is the world's oldest in-use writing system?
Turns out to be either Chinese or Hebrew depending on how carefully you define 'in-use':
Chinese writing is attested from around 1250 in the oracle bone inscriptions (all dates here are BCE, and approximate). But the near-certain origin of the alphabet, in Proto-Sinaitic and Proto-Canaanite writing, is no later than 1700. (We won't count the much older Egyptian system that inspired this alphabet.)
Weekly AoSHQ Commenter Standings
Top 20 commenters:1 [754 comments] 'Niedermeyer's Dead Horse' [105.83 posts/day]
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Top 10 sockpuppeteers:
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9 [25 names] 'Truck Monkey'
10 [22 names] 'Jared Loughner'
The group. Yeah.
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Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 27, 2012 06:41 PM (j3FeB)
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 27, 2012 06:42 PM (j3FeB)
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 27, 2012 06:42 PM (j3FeB)
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 27, 2012 06:42 PM (j3FeB)
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 27, 2012 06:42 PM (j3FeB)
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 27, 2012 06:43 PM (j3FeB)
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at May 27, 2012 06:46 PM (bMLFV)
That's just awful!
Posted by: michael a. bellesiles at May 27, 2012 06:46 PM (nrW1y)
Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2012 06:48 PM (UljOc)
Posted by: Jimbo at May 27, 2012 06:48 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Tong Lu Kim at May 27, 2012 06:49 PM (nrW1y)
The footnotes in "State of Fear" are legit.
Posted by: Jimbo at May 27, 2012 06:51 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: teej at May 27, 2012 06:51 PM (sbimF)
The first time that phrase has ever been used at the HQ, I'm sure.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2012 06:51 PM (nrW1y)
followed right along and did not require many additional explanations.
One of the very few movies that is so faithful to the book.Posted by: AltonJackson at May 27, 2012 06:52 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 27, 2012 06:52 PM (iDLnf)
Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2012 06:52 PM (UljOc)
Since their innermost self knows this is true and fears the revelation, they lash out viciously whenever their opinions are threatened.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 27, 2012 06:52 PM (3chXT)
This really is a tyranny when we are not safe in our houses and persons from the govt.
Posted by: Jimbo at May 27, 2012 06:54 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 27, 2012 06:54 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: booger thanks those who serve at May 27, 2012 06:54 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: RosalindJ at May 27, 2012 06:54 PM (6JkDu)
I See Gay Hating Conservatives Everywhere !!!
Posted by: Meghan McCain's Sixth Sense at May 27, 2012 06:55 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: moron #4 at May 27, 2012 06:55 PM (RQjPS)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at May 27, 2012 06:56 PM (gvWL9)
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 27, 2012 10:52 PM
State's Exhibit # 1, your honor ...
Poor little mean girl: Meghan McCain hurls insults, whines ‘Meany pants wingnuts are bullying me’
http://tinyurl.com/854uge9
Posted by: Internet Meanie at May 27, 2012 06:57 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 27, 2012 06:57 PM (3chXT)
Phoebe Cates.
Aww yeah, i still have a copy of Paradise, the little known Blue Lagoon ripoff Phoebe did with Willie Ames, just for the shower scene she did in that flick.
Posted by: booger thanks those who serve at May 27, 2012 06:57 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: moron #4/jake at May 27, 2012 06:58 PM (RQjPS)
Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2012 06:58 PM (UljOc)
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at May 27, 2012 06:58 PM (bMLFV)
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 27, 2012 07:00 PM (3chXT)
Posted by: elizabethe at May 27, 2012 07:00 PM (nHtaS)
Twitter douches/libs (but i repeat myself) have been using the report spam function to get conservatives accounts suspended for about a month now.
Posted by: booger thanks those who serve at May 27, 2012 07:01 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: moron #4/jake at May 27, 2012 07:01 PM (RQjPS)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 07:01 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Wandering Willie the Wanker at May 27, 2012 07:02 PM (5TFvk)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2012 07:02 PM (nrW1y)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 27, 2012 07:02 PM (nUY/O)
Is that some sort of too cool ONT euphemism for......
just checkin', I'm kinda slow on the uptake
Posted by: ontherocks at May 27, 2012 07:03 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 27, 2012 07:04 PM (iDLnf)
Come on, cut me some slack! I was drunk at the time and I needed the work.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2012 07:04 PM (nrW1y)
I tried that once. I found out that I don't put out on the first date. Of course, that wasn't revealed until I'd already paid for everything.
Being the shallow sort, there was no second attempt.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 27, 2012 07:04 PM (xKC/c)
Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2012 07:05 PM (UljOc)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 07:05 PM (Z9EHQ)
***
Yes. Now the interesting thing to consider is that Mitt is pretty much *only* getting the not-Obama factor.
If the Republicans had nominated someone who actually had an upside to voting for him outside of not-Obama, the election wouldn't be particularly close...
Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2012 07:06 PM (3aXbg)
It Has Happened Again:
http://tinyurl.com/cq8z5mr
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
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Holy carp. FBI? Hello? Big Sis? Yo, Eric Holder! HellloooOOooo!
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 27, 2012 07:06 PM (j3FeB)
Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2012 07:07 PM (UljOc)
This really is a tyranny when we are not safe in our houses and persons from the govt.
Posted by: Jimbo at May 27, 2012 10:54 PM (O3R/2)
They are not going there to search, they are going to where a crime is being committed and are trying to stop the commission of the crime against another person. This is why police can enter a property without a warrant when someone is being held a gunpoint. It is a time is of the essence activity.
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 27, 2012 07:07 PM (1grxW)
It's not that debasing if you buy yourself a nice dinner.
Posted by: DaveA at May 27, 2012 07:07 PM (ovmhQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 07:08 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 27, 2012 07:08 PM (ccXZP)
Was a heck of a day in Eve. Seriously had one of the most fun fights I've ever been in
Posted by: Zakn at May 27, 2012 07:09 PM (zyaZ1)
***
Well in this case it took some pretty amazing science on the part of a couple of researchers to actually convince the world of the cause of ulcers.
In fact, this is a text book case to bring up when someone tells you that we have a scientific consensus on global warming. This was true in regards to ulcers. And the consensus was wrong.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2012 07:09 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 07:10 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2012 07:10 PM (UljOc)
A toast to all our fallen servicemen and women who've given all for their nation and their families. Blessings to you all.
Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2012 07:10 PM (F79HU)
Posted by: eman at May 27, 2012 07:10 PM (6KkLK)
Posted by: teej at May 27, 2012 07:11 PM (sbimF)
I voted for Romney in the primary because I believe we need to woo the True Independents. They may only comprise 5% (according to Vic) or as much as 10% (my opinion) of the electorate. But we cannot afford a So Con of the likes of Santorum to chase those votes away.
Posted by: Jimbo at May 27, 2012 07:11 PM (O3R/2)
Interesting factoid (that I've heard) - Vowels as letters came about because the Greeks took the Hebrew alphabet and screwed up by mistaking certain consonants that sound like vowels at times (Ayn, Aleph, ...) and made them into vowels. Thus began the second great revolution in writing by removing the need for any strict word patterns (as Hebrew writes only consonants, which are able to be read because all Hebrew words must fall into a specific pattern and, therefore, the vowels are implied in the word and need not be written).
The other tidbit about Hebrew is well-known and goes to its age:
All human physical tools and manipulations are designed for right handers, so why is Hebrew more natural in writing to left-handers, in that it goes from right to left? Because Hebrew was designed as an etched language and right-handers etch from right to left, as opposed to writing, which is naturally done left to right.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 07:11 PM (X3lox)
Well, she did have a great set of headlights ba da boom tshhh
Posted by: booger at May 27, 2012 07:12 PM (HI6wa)
No big thing.
Posted by: ChrisP at May 27, 2012 07:12 PM (626PS)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 07:12 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: moron #4/jake at May 27, 2012 07:12 PM (RQjPS)
Posted by: Zakn at May 27, 2012 07:12 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2012 07:13 PM (nrW1y)
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 27, 2012 11:07 PM (1grxW)"
As you can see, if someone is not actually being held at gunpoint, the SWAT team's assault is a tyranny.
Posted by: Jimbo at May 27, 2012 07:14 PM (O3R/2)
IRC had a Baby Titan cooking and the CFC don't like Titans, so we went off to kill it. Massive fight on the gate, Ships warping everywhere. I was running late so I was in something called fast tackle. Just running around holding stuff down while the main fleet shoots the shit out of it. Fuckin awesome.
Posted by: Zakn at May 27, 2012 07:15 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 07:15 PM (Z9EHQ)
Folks wondering why DOJ/Holder are not doing anything about this
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No one here is srsly wondering this. For my part, I only ask because I have a few spare electrons to waste.
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 27, 2012 07:15 PM (j3FeB)
Posted by: CMU VET at May 27, 2012 07:16 PM (NYOOZ)
As you can see, if someone is not actually being held at gunpoint, the SWAT team's assault is a tyranny.
Posted by: Jimbo
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The SWAT team doesn't assault. They move in good faith. It's these fake callers who are guilty of attempted tyranny.
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 27, 2012 07:17 PM (j3FeB)
Posted by: torabora at May 27, 2012 07:18 PM (gRt8w)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 07:18 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Jimbo at May 27, 2012 07:19 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 27, 2012 07:19 PM (4aCWm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 27, 2012 07:20 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: irright at May 27, 2012 07:21 PM (RzLbD)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at May 27, 2012 07:21 PM (gznAu)
Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2012 07:22 PM (UljOc)
Posted by: teej at May 27, 2012 07:22 PM (sbimF)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 07:22 PM (Z9EHQ)
Dang, I really didn't want to put chrome and curb feelers on the Pontiac.
Posted by: DaveA at May 27, 2012 07:23 PM (ovmhQ)
Posted by: Jimbo at May 27, 2012 07:23 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 11:18 PM (Z9EHQ)
I make no suggestions, just watching and reading.
...mostly watching.
which reminds me, has anyone checked whether NDH is using that voice software - aka cheating?
Posted by: ontherocks at May 27, 2012 07:24 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: Chris Hayes at May 27, 2012 07:24 PM (9F2c1)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 27, 2012 07:25 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Jimbo at May 27, 2012 11:14 PM (O3R/2)
So if the police need to ascertain whether someone is being held at gunpoint, they have go to draw up a search warrant, go find a judge, get him to approve a search warrant, then go and enforce the search warrant. In the meantime, the victim may get a bullet in their head.
So in your opinion, the police need to worry more about the constitutional right of the person who may have commited the crime instead of the life of someone who may be getting killed.
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 27, 2012 07:26 PM (1grxW)
Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2012 07:26 PM (UljOc)
Posted by: moron #4/jake at May 27, 2012 07:26 PM (RQjPS)
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True moderates in the sense you are arguing really don't exist.
The mushy middle is made of people that don't care about politics and don't want to.
They'll vote for a Reagan, a Bush, or an Obama if they think he is "more presidential" which has nothing to do with ideology, proven ability, or platform. The one concern here from a conservative perspective is the State Media works overtime to make the Democrat seem "more presidential" so a Republican has to distinguish himself from the Democrat (eg 1980, 84, 04) to win.
It is almost axiomatic that the more you understand politics the most "partisan" or ideological you are.
So long story short, running a "moderate" doesn't work. If Romney wins, so too would Newt, Santorum, or almost any other Republican. And almost certainly, being able to differentiate themselves better, almost any other Republican would do better.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2012 07:26 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: Jose at May 27, 2012 07:26 PM (srIqv)
Posted by: elizabethe at May 27, 2012 07:29 PM (nHtaS)
Posted by: Jimbo at May 27, 2012 07:29 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: moron #4/jake at May 27, 2012 07:29 PM (RQjPS)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2012 07:31 PM (nrW1y)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 11:22 PM (Z9EHQ)
I don't take myself out very often but when time comes I turn down the lights, light a few candles and wear myself like a cheap suit.
Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2012 07:32 PM (F79HU)
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Another thing to consider - unemployment is 16-20%. The economy hasn't grown in 4 years. Inflation is running rampant.
The incumbent *should* be down by 20 points. This is Hoover territory.
The fact that an upper class liberal is surprised by close polling shows just how absurd the leftist cocoon is.
But that being said, the fact that Obama is still more likely to win then lose is jaw dropping.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2012 07:32 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: booger at May 27, 2012 07:32 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 27, 2012 11:19 PM (4aCWm)
They're not responding to any emergency. They're responding to an anonymous report. That doesn't give them the right to do what they are doing, especially since we all know that the penalty for wrongfully sending a SWAT team to someone's house is about nil - just as the Duke lacrosse liars (Magnum and Nyfong) suffered no serious consequences for having intentionally lied in order to put the lives of four men in serious jeopardy.
Our society runs largely on the honor code and if there is little honor left in our society and no real penalties for violating the most sacred honors, then there will be nothing left. But, as we speak, the Indonesian Imbecile and his gang break our laws and defile our culture with no worry about repercussions worse than being tossed out of office and having to suffer with only outrageously high paying jobs for leftist orgs and Ivy League shitholes.
Laws don't create societies, societies create laws. Our society, today, is not what it once was.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 07:32 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: teej at May 27, 2012 07:33 PM (sbimF)
Been there, done that. Sucks ass. Take care, dude!
I'm off to woik.
Back later.
Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2012 07:33 PM (F79HU)
Andromeda Strain is also great.
The 70's had scads of great flics
Posted by: ontherocks at May 27, 2012 07:34 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 27, 2012 07:35 PM (iDLnf)
take care over there!
Too late to build an ark, but you can start assembling animals two by two ...
Posted by: A less cynical Adriane at May 27, 2012 07:37 PM (NgwbY)
How about ringing the doorbell?
Posted by: Jimbo at May 27, 2012 11:32 PM (O3R/2)
Maybe the cops should just send 10 year old kids to ring the doorbells, that would be less intimidating wouldn't it?
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 27, 2012 07:38 PM (1grxW)
I've got a hearing coming up next week (don't worry, nothing criminal
). I send in the paperwork and ask for the courthouse in the small town near me.
I hear nothing back.
Call them up and the answer is basically "WAIT YOU F!$*er" and a couple of weeks later I get my form in the mail...so...they lost the paperwork originally...ok...whatever.
So I make plans to go to the courthouse and everything is peachy.
Then...my mediator calls me up to say hey...where is your appointment again? Because the court schedule says your judge is in the big metro area near you...not in the small town courthouse you asked for.
WHAT THE HELL. I check it...yep...I see it too now. So they lost my paperwork, scheduled me for a different court, and didn't tell me (it is NOT on the paperwork they sent me).
The best part? The mediator tells me you've got every reason to be mad - but don't say a thing because they will screw with you if you do.
We truly have the governing class of a third world hell hole already.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2012 07:40 PM (3aXbg)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 27, 2012 07:40 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 27, 2012 07:40 PM (jucos)
Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2012 07:40 PM (UljOc)
Posted by: teej at May 27, 2012 07:40 PM (sbimF)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 27, 2012 07:41 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Landshark at May 27, 2012 07:41 PM (4aCWm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 27, 2012 07:43 PM (piMMO)
Our society runs largely on the honor code and if there is little honor left in our society and no real penalties for violating the most sacred honors, then there will be nothing left. But, as we speak, the Indonesian Imbecile and his gang break our laws and defile our culture with no worry about repercussions worse than being tossed out of office and having to suffer with only outrageously high paying jobs for leftist orgs and Ivy League shitholes.Laws don't create societies, societies create laws. Our society, today, is not what it once was.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 11:32 PM (X3lox)
They were responding to the address that showed up on the caller ID. His phone number was "spoofed", meaning that his address showed up as who made the call. So the cops thought he was reporting a VIOLENT crime at his home was being committed.
As for the lack ofconsequences of SWAT showing up when it is not needed, SWAT is sent because LEOs don't know what the situation is, so they err on the side of public safety.
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 27, 2012 07:43 PM (1grxW)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 27, 2012 11:19 PM (4aCWm)
And I'd remind you that the original SWATting call against Patterico was not an "emergency", anyway. The caller said that he had already shot his wife, so the "emergency", if it had even been true, was sometime before that.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 07:43 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 27, 2012 11:40 PM (piMMO)
You just summed up the history of mankind in one sentence.
Though in the last century or so we've had the help of the commie media muddying up the clues or throwing them out altogether.
Posted by: ontherocks at May 27, 2012 07:44 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 27, 2012 07:45 PM (wb6uU)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 27, 2012 07:46 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 27, 2012 07:46 PM (4aCWm)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 11:43 PM (X3lox)
But by calling the police to report the crime, that is an invitation for the police to come to the crime scene. Thus a warrant is not needed.
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 27, 2012 07:47 PM (1grxW)
Yep, the few times i've been involved in court made me feel dirty, literally, just being caught up in that worthless system full of spiteful idiots who didn't have a clue made me wart to take a shower every time, it really is disgusting.
Posted by: booger at May 27, 2012 07:47 PM (HI6wa)
They didn't have time to call the number back as they were heading over?
As I wrote above, the call against Patterico was not an emergency, anyway, but an "after emergency" call. The caller had claimed that he had already shot his wife.
As for the
lack ofconsequences of SWAT showing up when it is not needed, SWAT is
sent because LEOs don't know what the situation is, so they err on the
side of public safety.
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 27, 2012 11:43 PM (1grxW)
Erring on the side of safety doesn't abrogate laws against illegal search and seizure. They saw nothing and had nothing but an anonymous report.
This is the same sort of bullshit that sent a whole battalion of Texas Rangers to arrest everyone in that polygamist compound - and the court cases went on (with the kids taken away) even after they all knew that it was all based on a phony phone call (again, for which the caller suffered NOTHING).
But, if someone tries to actually threaten you and you fire a warning shot at them in many states you will find yourself in jail - like that guy in New York, IIRC, with the gang standing on his lawn threatening him and his family. Yep ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 07:48 PM (X3lox)
Was kinda shocked at first, but more and more, it's proving to be correct.
Posted by: Zakn at May 27, 2012 07:50 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 27, 2012 07:52 PM (4aCWm)
Posted by: teej at May 27, 2012 07:53 PM (sbimF)
Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2012 11:48 PM (ZFgrs)
Good show, I can get enough of this Mermaid show. I didn't know the govt. was secretly using sonar to hunt and kill mermaids that look like avatar ripoffs.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at May 27, 2012 07:53 PM (tKFT6)
Canada is basically writing us off as a 3rd world country now.
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I hope this is reversible. Romney, I'm looking at you, you accommodating milksop.
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 27, 2012 07:53 PM (wb6uU)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck's tagline at May 27, 2012 07:54 PM (a5ljo)
Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2012 07:54 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 27, 2012 07:55 PM (piMMO)
Sure, because the cops would never think that someone who had actually murdered someone could possibly pose a danger to anyone else. Nice histrionics.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy
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That's exactly what they did in Patterico's case. Found the "shot" wife was well, and then made sure the kids were alive.
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 27, 2012 07:55 PM (wb6uU)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 27, 2012 11:52 PM (4aCWm)
Why don't you think a little more about what you're saying?
AN anonymous call is NOT sufficient reason to tear a house a apart, let alone break in with a SWAT team.
However, if you want the police to have such power, then you need to make sure that the penalty for making calls to kick off such actions needs to be a minimum of 30 years in jail. But, we don't have that. We don't do ANYTHING to false witnesses who put others in jeopardy of decades in jail and worse.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 07:56 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2012 07:56 PM (UljOc)
Obama has all the unicorns at Camp David ... so you should be OK with the kittehs ...
Posted by: Noah Neglected to get a Zoo License at May 27, 2012 07:56 PM (NgwbY)
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 27, 2012 11:53 PM (wb6uU)
It's highly unlikely.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 07:57 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: teej at May 27, 2012 07:59 PM (sbimF)
No, not supposed to tip, they do that all the time, my guess is they're not even allowed to take tips.
Posted by: booger at May 27, 2012 07:59 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 27, 2012 08:00 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: CDR M at May 27, 2012 08:00 PM (EFzYw)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 27, 2012 08:01 PM (4aCWm)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 08:01 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 27, 2012 11:47 PM (1grxW)
Okay ... so let's see what we have. A guy calls the cops to claim that he has just shot his wife. On that bit of information alone a SWAT team is sent over and all rights of people at that address are temporarily suspended so that the police can do ... whatever, based on that "admission". But, if the guy had actually shot his wife and killed her, and the state had a death penalty, then that same guy is not allowed to plead guilty in court and get his death penalty as quickly as possible.
Do you see the problem, here? This is the sort of inconsistency that destroys a society. It is, quite frankly, nothing short of insane.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 08:01 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 08:03 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 28, 2012 12:01 AM (4aCWm)
Who said "do nothing"? How about use some sense and realize that actions with no consequences are ripe for fraud - as in the anonymous "reports"?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 08:04 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 27, 2012 08:04 PM (Rhie+)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 08:05 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Zakn at May 27, 2012 08:06 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2012 08:08 PM (UljOc)
So, what if the police get a call from a guy saying he's shot his wife and he's going to shoot his kids, cops go to the house, knock on the door but the guy won't open the door and says he has no idea what the cops are talking about and he didn't call, cops ask if they can at least verify if the guys wife and kids are allright and guy refuses, what then? Should the cops force their way in or just go away and try to get a warrant?
Posted by: booger at May 27, 2012 08:09 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 08:11 PM (Z9EHQ)
IIRC
The Chinese want 10 million$.
But that's more than the Russians.
That's what we told them and they told us to go F-f-fuck ourselves.
Funny every time.
Posted by: DaveA at May 27, 2012 08:11 PM (ovmhQ)
Posted by: teej at May 27, 2012 08:12 PM (sbimF)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 27, 2012 08:12 PM (nUY/O)
Posted by: NewBrunswicker at May 27, 2012 08:16 PM (XBxRP)
If the guy says, in person, he didn't call, then the presumption is that he didn't call. I understand that there may well be tons of people calling the cops to claim they're going to shoot their kids and then changing their minds when the cops get there (not a SWAT team, but patrol cars) but I don't see that as being a huge loophole in our policing services.
As is often said, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 08:17 PM (X3lox)
As I wrote above, the call against Patterico was not an emergency, anyway, but an "after emergency" call. The caller had claimed that he had already shot his wife.
Erring on the side of safety doesn't abrogate laws against illegal search and seizure. They saw nothing and had nothing but an anonymous report.
This is the same sort of bullshit that sent a whole battalion of Texas Rangers to arrest everyone in that polygamist compound - and the court cases went on (with the kids taken away) even after they all knew that it was all based on a phony phone call (again, for which the caller suffered NOTHING).
But, if
someone tries to actually threaten you and you fire a warning shot at
them in many states you will find yourself in jail - like that guy in
New York, IIRC, with the gang standing on his lawn threatening him and
his family. Yep ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 11:48 PM (X3lox)
___________________________________________
So the police now should do call backs when responding to every call. Plus, a shooting, or a murder, just kind of strikes me as an emergency call. The cops want to make sure that the murderer doesn't decde to move on.
There was no search and siezure. There were no charges filed. The police were responding to what they thought was an emergency call.
As for the Texas thing, I don't know anything about it, but the police do make mistakes. This case was not one of those. They are responding to a potential MURDER, not polygamy, not a "little weed", but the most heinous crime that can be committed against another human.
So the guy in New York gets charged with shooting his gun at people on his lawn threatening him. So if someone says they are going to kick my ass, then I get to shoot them?
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 27, 2012 08:18 PM (1grxW)
Good night teej. take care.
Yeah yankeefifth.. thats about how it went. I said mom MILF means mom I'd like to fuck. She said WHAT?? You'd like to fuck what? I said, no mom, I don't mean "hey mom,, I'd like to fuck. It means mom I'd like to fuck. God in heaven it was like a who's on first routine. She thought I was saying I want to fuck.. went downhill from there.. but she finally got it.
Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2012 08:18 PM (UljOc)
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 28, 2012 12:18 AM (1grxW)
It was a gang of 10 or more scumbags, standing on his property screaming that they were going to murder him and his family. He came out with a rifle and shot into HIS GROUND. He was arrested for illegally firing his weapon, IIRC, and nothing happened to the gang.
You really don't remember the Texas polygamy case? ALl the kids were stripped from their parents on the word of a phony phone call. This has been happening with child services for a very long time. They act on no information and tear families apart ... for the kids, of course. All someone has to do is drop a dime and a family is plunged into hell (and a costly hell, at that) for a very long time.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 08:22 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 28, 2012 12:12 AM (nUY/O)
Welcome to Secularism, the religion of the new left. Sans a creator, who grants you those rights? The only thing left to grant them is Government. (We all see where this goes, right?)
Posted by: tsrblke at May 27, 2012 08:24 PM (22rSN)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 27, 2012 08:24 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 08:26 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 27, 2012 08:28 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 27, 2012 08:28 PM (nUY/O)
Do you see the problem, here? This is the
sort of inconsistency that destroys a society. It is, quite frankly,
nothing short of insane.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 28, 2012 12:01 AM (X3lox)
Who said "do nothing"? How about use some sense and
realize that actions with no consequences are ripe for fraud - as in the
anonymous "reports"?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 28, 2012 12:04 AM (X3lox)
Oh my god, responding to a MURDER call leads to the fall of society. I really don't give a shit if he wants the death penalty or not, the police are responding to an emergency. Just because the caller said the person was dead doesn't mean that the person was actually dead. Only the EMTs or a doctor can be for sure about that. So in that situation, should the police wait for a search warrant?
There are consequences for making false reports. After such high profile things like this, LEOs will get involved. You may not hear about it, but they are doing the investigation behind the scenes.
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 27, 2012 08:29 PM (1grxW)
Oh i'm sure it doesn't happen often, but i think i'd rather let the cops have the ability to enter the residence in that situation than possibly have someone murdered, your rights are actually being protected, not abrogated in that situation. Now if the cops were just driving down the street and said hey, let's go into Primordial's house see and if he has anything we can bust him on, then yeah, that's the case where you're rights are being violated.
Posted by: booger at May 27, 2012 08:29 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 28, 2012 12:29 AM (X3lox)
If the account is accurate, he did "fire shots into the air" which produces a danger to others unrelated to the incident. I don't quite know how to square that circle with the fact that he was in danger. Shots into the ground only, I'd just say "let him go" shots in the air, and you're potentially harming people who aren't even "bystanders."
Posted by: tsrblke at May 27, 2012 08:35 PM (22rSN)
Posted by: booger at May 27, 2012 08:39 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 27, 2012 08:39 PM (DZCdi)
You really don't remember the Texas polygamy case?
ALl the kids were stripped from their parents on the word of a phony
phone call. This has been happening with child services for a very long
time. They act on no information and tear families apart ... for the
kids, of course. All someone has to do is drop a dime and a family is
plunged into hell (and a costly hell, at that) for a very long time.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 28, 2012 12:22 AM (X3lox)
He fired his fucking gun into the ground. People making threats like they are going to kill someone so that means you get to come out with your guns blazing.
No, I don't remember the Texas polygamy case, maybe it was big news where you are, but it wasn't here. As for the kids being taken and the family put into hell, yeah that happens. It should have happened in my town a couple of times, especially after the kids were found in dumpsters near their houses, but the state decided that it would be better for the children to be with their mothers.
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 27, 2012 08:41 PM (1grxW)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 08:41 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 28, 2012 12:35 AM (7FadD)
That link was the only report that I had seen about shots in the air - it was CBS, remember. The rest say "into the ground".
Here's Jonathan Turley on it (a leftist, BTW): http://tinyurl.com/ckonedx
JHere's Grier's OWN words from another report:
Grier said the five men dared him to use the gun; and that their shouts brought another larger group of gang members in front of his house.
“He starts threatening my family, my life. ‘Oh you’re dead. I’m gonna kill your family and your babies. You’re dead.’ So when he says that, 20 others guys come rushing around the corner. And so I fired four warning shots into the grass,” Grier said.
You can look up all the reports. My mistake for picking the first link. I had assumed everyone here was well aware of this incident.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 08:42 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 08:43 PM (Z9EHQ)
over by that time,
Posted by: Cthluthu at May 27, 2012 08:44 PM (nUwvQ)
kill your family and your babies. YouÂ’re dead.Â’ So when he says that,
20 others guys come rushing around the corner. And so I fired four
warning shots into the grass,” Grier said.
Four shots. Not a "warning shot", 4 shots. That is a huge difference. And yes, he should have been charged for firing 4 "warning shots".
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 27, 2012 08:47 PM (1grxW)
There just happens to be a secret, highly-funded government Science Team to handle one of the least likely threats. There were so many secret government Science Teams for so many purposes, for so long, that most of us just presume that the government has a secret Science Team in the real world for whatever comes up.
The continued low jinks of the CDC, to take one horrible example, fail to convince us otherwise. It's part of the background level statism we're all heir to. The worst part is that we really do have intellectual resources (and until this generation, industrial resources too) to handle the unknown better than anyone else -- and attempts to enlist all resources into government central control have greatly reduced the willingness of us "resources" to trust a request for help. We don't want to made suckers of, like those swat teams.
Imagine the scenario of the original Voyage to The Bottom movie, where a UN meeting tries to deal with the sky catching fire. Where would you stand on this? Chrichton's scientists were all in on the joke.
When new shit hits the old fan, your government does not have a buried complex in the desert, all set up to deal with it. Funding was cut to pay for midnight basketball in troubled schools. Cheyenne Mountain is empty (I was just there). In our dreams, we think it's still fully stocked.
For 35 or so years, I've been calling it the Andromeda Syndrome.
Posted by: comatus at May 27, 2012 08:48 PM (ZOlM3)
Yeah, that's a pretty good site, i usually end up clicking through a couple dozen pics.
Posted by: booger at May 27, 2012 08:50 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: MrCaniac at May 28, 2012 12:47 AM (1grxW)
Dude ...
To say "he shot into the ground" doesn't imply one shot. What language do you speak? And having a bunch of MS-13 gangbangers rushing to your place while they threaten to kill you is certainly reason to fire 4 warning shots into your own lawn. That's less than one shot per 5 (not including the original scumbags who were there threatening him). He didn't endanger any of the scumbags.
I don't know what world you live in.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 08:53 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at May 27, 2012 08:53 PM (hR1D0)
Even Crichton talked about it when SARS happened. No one would do shit because they were all worried about patent infringement.
I'm at a loss on how to solve it. I'm guessing the problem will solve itself, like most things.
Posted by: Zakn at May 27, 2012 08:55 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: The Dude at May 27, 2012 08:55 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 27, 2012 08:55 PM (DZCdi)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 28, 2012 12:56 AM (7FadD)
Arresting the wrong person would be a start? But if they had arrested some of the MS-13 scum they'd only let them go after a week, anyway, since they're likely illegals and not subject to our jurisdiction ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 08:59 PM (X3lox)
I'm guessing that someone is having a zoning issue.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 27, 2012 09:07 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 28, 2012 01:03 AM (7FadD)
You seem to be in favor of worse judgment calls when an anonymous phone call claims there's an emergency - and others here seem to think that a few isolated cases of bad results are enough to trample the rights of everyone.
I am just of a very different mindset than you guys. We are obviously not going to come to any sort of agreement, here. If you guys don't consider a gang threatening to murder you and your family and 20 of them rushing to your place - your home - to be a serious threat to your family's security, then I don't even know what to say.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 27, 2012 09:07 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: booger at May 27, 2012 09:09 PM (HI6wa)
I thought this drink tasted strange......
*thunk*
Posted by: NC Ref at May 27, 2012 09:11 PM (/izg2)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 28, 2012 01:08 AM (piMMO)
was wondering what she was doing after SGU got cancelled
she's on Common Law on USA
Posted by: The Dude at May 27, 2012 09:13 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Rocket Surgery at May 27, 2012 09:20 PM (4qU0l)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 09:24 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 27, 2012 09:25 PM (xKC/c)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 09:26 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Zakn at May 27, 2012 09:28 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 09:28 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Zakn at May 27, 2012 09:29 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 09:31 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Rocket Surgery at May 27, 2012 09:31 PM (4qU0l)
Ace stomped the ONT with a thread about EE over at RedState getting swatted.
http://minx.cc/?post=329632
Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 27, 2012 09:33 PM (xKC/c)
Posted by: Zakn at May 27, 2012 09:34 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: Zakn at May 27, 2012 09:35 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: Theresa at May 27, 2012 09:39 PM (keDfY)
Posted by: The Dude at May 27, 2012 09:42 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Rocket Surgery at May 27, 2012 09:44 PM (4qU0l)
****
HeLLLLO!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 28, 2012 01:23 AM (piMMO)
Yeah but no one ever seems to know that 
Posted by: buzzion at May 27, 2012 09:44 PM (GULKT)
I must admit, I've never seen Alien straight through from beginning to end. I've seen it in lots of disconnected bits, especially the part with Sigourney Weaver's too tiny, too tight panties with the rather unfortunate bulge.
I'ma pick that movie up on blu and try to catch it just before Prometheus.
Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2012 09:44 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Adriane at May 28, 2012 01:42 AM (NgwbY)
Adriane is number 1 (sockpuppeter for the week)!
Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2012 09:45 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Zakn at May 27, 2012 09:47 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: Robert at May 28, 2012 01:44 AM (4ixH5)
can't wait, me and dad are thinking of hitting up a midnight showing if there is one
for the blu-rays, they've been on sale quite a bit these past few months (though buying the anthology box set is worth the money)
Posted by: The Dude at May 27, 2012 09:48 PM (tw6Ar)
http://tinyurl.com/r6465s
Posted by: Theresa at May 27, 2012 09:48 PM (keDfY)
http://tinyurl.com/7br7oes
Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2012 09:50 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: The Dude at May 28, 2012 01:48 AM (tw6Ar)
I know the first one is on sale for $10 bucks at Amazon.
Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2012 09:53 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 28, 2012 01:48 AM (7FadD)
Is Shiner Bock available up that way?
Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2012 09:54 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Robert at May 28, 2012 01:53 AM (4ixH5)
yep, cheapest you will find it
Posted by: The Dude at May 27, 2012 09:57 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2012 09:59 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 10:03 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 10:05 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: buzzion at May 27, 2012 10:07 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2012 10:08 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: buzzion at May 28, 2012 02:07 AM (GULKT)
In my defense I call everyone dude.
Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2012 10:09 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2012 02:05 AM (Z9EHQ)
Yeah, yeah, also that.
Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2012 10:10 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 27, 2012 10:10 PM (Z9EHQ)
http://tinyurl.com/6uer9bl
Posted by: Theresa at May 27, 2012 10:15 PM (keDfY)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 27, 2012 10:15 PM (DZCdi)
Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2012 10:27 PM (4ixH5)
If Crichton wasn't already dead it would have killed him.
Posted by: Nemo from Erewon at May 27, 2012 10:28 PM (Y9R64)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 27, 2012 10:28 PM (DZCdi)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 27, 2012 10:30 PM (DZCdi)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 28, 2012 02:28 AM (DZCdi)
It was for their own good.
Posted by: The Man at May 27, 2012 10:30 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 27, 2012 10:34 PM (DZCdi)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 28, 2012 02:28 AM (DZCdi)
was thinking the link might be about the LSD stuff the government did in the 50's
Posted by: The Dude at May 27, 2012 10:35 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 28, 2012 02:34 AM (DZCdi)
Mmmkay, well then we're just gonna take a look at your earnings for the past five years so if you don't mind taking all 10,000 of these forms and filling them out in triplicate for us...
Posted by: The Man, IRS Edition at May 27, 2012 10:39 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 27, 2012 10:44 PM (DZCdi)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at May 27, 2012 10:49 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 27, 2012 10:52 PM (DZCdi)
Posted by: The Dude at May 27, 2012 11:09 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at May 27, 2012 11:16 PM (I2LwF)
Roses are red,
Lilies are white,
Good Night all ye ONTers,
on this fine Memorial Day Eve Night ...
Posted by: Adriane at May 27, 2012 11:54 PM (NgwbY)
Posted by: Robert, who says goodnight to everyone at May 27, 2012 11:56 PM (4ixH5)
Any objections? No?
Passed.
Now you can read the comment to find out what is in it.
Posted by: epobirs at May 28, 2012 02:33 AM (kcfmt)
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