July 11, 2012
— Maetenloch
WTF Is The Deal With People Who are Contrary Conversationalists?
We've all dealt with people like this where every conversation is a variant of this one:
Them: "It's a nice day outside."
You: "Yes, it is."
Them: "Not really. It's kind of crappy outside."
Well Gretchen Rubin, author of The Happiness Project, has coined a term to describe this behavior:
Here's a new phenomenon I've tentatively identified: oppositional conversational style.
A person with oppositional conversational style is a person who, in conversation, disagrees with and corrects whatever you say. He or she may do this in a friendly way, or a belligerent way, but this person frames remarks in opposition to whatever you venture.
I've always referred to them as quibblers - people who simply will never accept any statement from you - no matter how trivial or obviously correct it is - as true on its face. They must always quibble, argue, or simply contradict what you said.
Needless to say people like this are extremely annoying and by breaking the unspoken 'yes and...' rules of conversation they basically make every interaction with them a chore.
For a long time I assumed they were just being asshole-ish and trying to establish some kind of dominance - and for some that is the case. But later I realized that for many of them it was unintentional behavior and they were clueless and genuinely mystified as to why they always seemed to rub people the wrong way and why casual chats often ended with people storming off.
You tend to see this much more among engineering and technical people where it comes out as compulsive hyper-correction and quibbling - so much so that I'm now convinced that it's actually a very mild form of Asperger's.
In fact I've run into some engineers who were such extreme contrary conversationalists that they would go into what I call 'hostile witness' mode over the simplest questions. Here's an example ripped from the pages of my life:
Me: Hey I think the problems at customer X may be due to flaky hardware so I'd like to automatically run tests on any idle nodes. Do you still have that automated test code you wrote for customer Y?
Co-worker: No. I don't have any automated test code.
Me: Wait - but didn't you write the programs used during their verification tests last year?
Him: Yes.
Me: Well couldn't that work?
Him: No. That was for automatically profiling the performance.
Me: Okay...but wouldn't it also detect if a node wasn't responding or producing errors in its results? That's all I'm looking for.
Him: [long pause] Yes. But it's NOT a test program - it's just for profiling performance.
[a few wasted minutes where we go round and round over whether profiling is a subset of testing or not]
Me: Uh okay anyway...just send me what you have and I'll see if I can use it as a basic test as well.
Him: Why? I told you it's not a test program - it's a profiler.
[At this point in my mind I'm thinking 'Dude we work for the same fucking company - help me to help us!' as well as pondering over how just a short century ago it was perfectly acceptable to beat such people senseless]
It's more than just a delicious food - it's also what helped build the United States of America.
From the 1901 issue of The American Kitchen Magazine:
IMPORTANCE OF BACON"I Have a profound respect for bacon," remarked a thoughtful citizen at a local hotel cafe, spearing one of the savory brown slices that garnished his breakfast eggs. "As a patriotic American, it commands my unbounded esteem and gratitude. Did it ever occur to you that we are indebted primarily to bacon for the opening up and development and civilization of more than one-half of this grand and glorious Republic? That, without bacon, the great West, with its thriving cities, its countless industries, its fertile farms, its magnificent mines, its gigantic web of railroad and telegraph and telephone lines, and all its other wonderful evidences of progress and prosperity - that, without bacon, this superbly flourishing domain would in all probability be a howling wilderness at the present moment?" The thoughtful citizen paused for breath.
"You astonish me," said his friend across the table.
"That is because you have never given the subject any attention," he replied. "Bacon has been the chief agency in the development of our country, for the simple reason that it has been the chief food of the pioneer. It was the only kind of meat that was easily portable and would keep for an indefinite period. Fremont's pathfinders carried it, so did the gold hunters of '49, and so did all that tremendous army of emigrants and frontiersmen who gradually opened up the unknown region between the Mississippi River and the Pacific coast. The prospectors who toiled up and down the continental divide and located the great mineral resources of the country lived principally upon bacon, and to this day it is the main item in the 'grub stake' of every adventurer who goes into the mountains to seek for ore. To sum the matter up, the advance guard of civilization has moved steadily westward, eating bacon and conquering savage nature, and without that humble article of diet the red man and the buffalo would still be prowling over regions where pink teas flourish and culture rules the roost. You must bear in mind, too, that the bacon upon which all these gigantic achievements are based is not the high-priced, delicately flavored breakfast bacon of a first-class cafe. It is sterner stuff. It is the strong, dark, greasy bacon of ordinary commerce, that comes in great, rough slabs and smells like scorched shoe leather. At first sight you would turn away from it in disgust, but as a ration to work on and fight on it has no equal in the world. I grant you that the fancy condensed foods they are putting up for the armies nowadays are vastly prettier to look at, and the chemists say they contain ten times the nutriment to the square inch, but let a company of tired, hungry soldiers go into camp after a forced march or a fierce battle, and I will wager horses to horsehair that they throw away all their tinned gimcracks for one rasher of good old-fashioned bacon, hot from the skillet. I am not especially fond of bacon myself," added the thoughtful citizen, "but I revere it for the illustrious part it plays in history. If I had my own way about it, I would remove the torch from the upraised hand of Bartholdi's magnificent statue of liberty enlightening the world and substitute a colossal rasher of bacon. Then it would be truly symbolic of American progress."
The Time Andy Kaufman Wrestled a Bunch of Women
I vaguely remembered his wrestling a woman on SNL but had no idea that he'd been doing it across the country for several years.
His friend and co-conspirator Bob Zmuda, dressed as a referee, would set up the challenge. Any woman that could pin Andy Kaufman walked away with the cash. Fifteen or twenty ladies would volunteer. Then, to prove that they weren't using a shill, Kaufman would let the audience vote for the best candidate.
"I wanted to recapture the old days of the carnivals," Kaufman said. "Wrestlers used to go from town to town with carnivals, and offer $500 to any man who could last in the ring with them for three minutes. So I figured if I could offer a prize and make it like a contest, it could be very exciting"
Dressed in full-length white thermal underwear, baggy black swim trunks, black socks and black shoes, Kaufman strutted around, claiming he was the World Inter-Gender Wrestling Champion. He goaded the females in the audience, poking fun at women's lib, and saying that women were "meant to be in the kitchen" while "washing the potatoes, scrubbing the carrots, raising the babies."
And woman wrestling was bery bery good to Andy too:
For Kaufman, there was a fringe benefit to the wrestling charade. He was painfully shy, and always had trouble meeting women. But rolling around on a mat for a few minutes with the opposite sex proved to be a very effective way to get dates. According to Bob Zmuda, Kaufman ended up sleeping with some of his wrestling opponents.
Are You Too Old for the Olympics?
Probably unless you're competing in archery, shooting, or sailing.
How an Unemployed Programmer Kept Sneaking Into Apple to Finish the Job
I've heard various versions of this story over the years but this is one of the more complete ones. If you've ever used the graphing calculator that was shipped with Apple computers, you've enjoyed the fruits of Avitzur's 'illegal' work.
Ron Avitzur knew his project was doomed. By the time his bosses cut the cord in August 1993, his team was actually relieved. The graphing calculator program they'd been working on for new mobile devices had finally been shelved, and they could all move on.
Most of his fellow programmers were reassigned to other projects within Apple. The company offered Avitzur a job, too, but it didn't interest him. Avitzur, then 27, had been freelancing at tech companies since he was a student at Stanford-to him, the work wasn't worth it if it wasn't interesting. And what interested him was finishing the graphing calculator program that had just been canceled. But his ambitions were greater than that-Avitzur wanted to make the graphing calculator work on the new PowerPC computer that Apple planned to ship in early 1994.
Read about how he used tricks, guile, a conspiracy of support from other Apple programmers, and months of volunteer work to make his program a standard part of MacOS.
The 50 Greatest American Weirdos, Part 2
Well Hedy Lamarr doesn't really belong on this list but Crispin Glover most definitely does oh yes. If you doubt, check out his version of "These Boots Were Made For Walking". I thought he did an incredible job of acting in River's Edge but later I realized that a lot of it was just channeling his inner weirdo.
It is their...destiny.
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Me: Why yes. Yes he is.
Them: No he's not. He's a transformative, brilliant president.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 11, 2012 06:25 PM (UOM48)
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Posted by: KZnextzone at July 11, 2012 06:32 PM (UXEgP)
Considering Liberals have destroyed almost everything on that list, they eventually will destroy bacon....
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at July 11, 2012 06:32 PM (KCvsd)
The "oppositional conversational style" theory (outbreak?) is complete and utter BS. Couldn't be more wrong on every point.
Posted by: SCoaMF at July 11, 2012 06:32 PM (iYvMQ)
Posted by: buzzion at July 11, 2012 06:32 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: SCoaMF at July 11, 2012 10:32 PM (iYvMQ)
Everything you said is wrong: Totally, completely, inexorably wrong.
Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at July 11, 2012 06:34 PM (Dll6b)
Posted by: MrCaniac at July 11, 2012 06:35 PM (1grxW)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 11, 2012 06:35 PM (nZvGM)
Posted by: BlackOrchidPinesForDagny at July 11, 2012 06:37 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: MrCaniac at July 11, 2012 06:37 PM (1grxW)
Posted by: Methos, wiseass at July 11, 2012 06:37 PM (6LvlL)
Posted by: cm9000 at July 11, 2012 06:38 PM (lzvtR)
Posted by: KZnextzone at July 11, 2012 06:38 PM (UXEgP)
I only rarely thought he was funny. But I always thought he was different from anything else, and pretty often, I found that I couldn't stop watching what he was doing.
The stuff I especially liked, I can't really explain why I liked it. Him standing there immobile, while the Mighty Mouse song played, then he gets all animated and joins the chorus with a rousing lip sync. I shouldn't have liked that, but I did.
Watching his Carnegie Hall show, which is on YouTube, gave something that might be an insight: I think he was basically doing a children's show, all along.
Posted by: Splunge at July 11, 2012 06:38 PM (2IW5Q)
Posted by: BlackOrchidPinesForDagny at July 11, 2012 06:38 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: mallfly at July 11, 2012 06:39 PM (NI3M5)
Posted by: honey Badger #5 at July 11, 2012 06:39 PM (RQjPS)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 11, 2012 10:36 PM (vbh31)
Referenced in my comment at 22. That type of guy is definitely annoying.
Posted by: buzzion at July 11, 2012 06:40 PM (GULKT)
I spent the 80s and the early 90s as active duty USAF, so I was ignorant of much of the contemporaneous culture after exit from AD.
Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2012 06:40 PM (6kWFm)
Posted by: BlackOrchidPinesForDagny at July 11, 2012 06:40 PM (J6kXj)
Cannot.Get.A.Word.In.Edgewise. And right in the middle of a simple statement, it's like I'm not there....my husband totally interrupts because what he has to say is IMPORTANT.
Last time it happened I told him I'd superglue his junk in the middle of the night if he ever treated me with such disrespect again.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 11, 2012 06:42 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Tami at July 11, 2012 06:42 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: eman at July 11, 2012 06:42 PM (ejmiE)
Zmuda and Kaufman were a fucking hilarious duo. The Tony Clifton shit and the put-ons with Zmuda harassing Kaufman were just priceless.
Balls. None of that shit happens anymore...
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzzbunny at July 11, 2012 06:43 PM (ApGOC)
Posted by: KZnextzone at July 11, 2012 06:43 PM (UXEgP)
What I want is an analysis of the Leftist conversation style, which seems to consist of refusing to acknowledge that the opposition consists of human beings who disagree. Actually, Zombie did a really great version of that, posted here recently (never knew he/she was quite that brilliant, more please). But how about a label? "Stamp your foot" conversational disorder? "I hate my dad and you're just like him" conversational disorder? "Like a shark, I have to keep my hate moving and fresh, or I will start looking inward" disorder?
Posted by: Splunge at July 11, 2012 06:43 PM (2IW5Q)
Posted by: Y-not at July 11, 2012 06:43 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at July 11, 2012 06:44 PM (Gw2RW)
Blah, blah get me a samm...
Last time it happened I told him I'd superglue his junk in the middle of the night if he ever treated me with such disrespect again.
I suddenly think this line of humor needs rethinking.
Posted by: Methos, wiseass at July 11, 2012 06:44 PM (6LvlL)
Posted by: alexthechick at July 11, 2012 06:44 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Mephitis at July 11, 2012 06:45 PM (hb50a)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 11, 2012 06:45 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: BlackOrchidPinesForDagny at July 11, 2012 06:45 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 11, 2012 06:46 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Lauren at July 11, 2012 06:46 PM (wsGWu)
Andy Kaufman once took his wrestling show to the Playboy channel, and got to wrestle one of the Playboy Playmates who was decked out in a tight spandex body suit. I remember watching this on cable years ago at a friend's house and we both laughed at what an incredible gig Andy had.
Wrestling with a Playboy Playmate who was dressed in a tight spandex bodysuit. What a geek. What a freakin' lucky geek. 
And he was funny on "Taxi" where there was some structure of a show that made his freaky character Latkos funny. Latkos was a permanent riff on his play as "foreign man" he did on SNL years before. Afer watching "Taxi" enough, it was hard to believe that this wasn't the way that Kaufman really talked.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at July 11, 2012 06:46 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: Y-not at July 11, 2012 06:46 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Mephitis at July 11, 2012 06:46 PM (hb50a)
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 11, 2012 06:46 PM (pfOPH)
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 11, 2012 10:44 PM (XVWwL
Are you still at the bar? Look over your left shoulder....trannie alert!!!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 11, 2012 06:47 PM (UOM48)
Flirt with the husband, just a tiny bit. You'll never see them again. (OK, that was evil).
Posted by: Splunge at July 11, 2012 06:47 PM (2IW5Q)
Posted by: navybrat at July 11, 2012 06:47 PM (JG/Pz)
Exactly and well done. There I was rambling for a paragraph and you described the type in a couple of concise sentences. Heh.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 11, 2012 10:44 PM (vbh31)
Good thing I got it out first or else you might have cut me off halfway through.
Posted by: buzzion at July 11, 2012 06:47 PM (GULKT)
Is "glitch" a typo, Alex?
Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2012 06:48 PM (nrW1y)
Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2012 06:48 PM (Xb3hu)
Them: "It's a nice day outside."
You: "Yes, it is."
Them: "Not really. It's kind of crappy outside."
You: "Fuck you, cunt."
The problem is not, as the writer posits, a matter of conversational contrarianism (or whatever). The problem is an unwillingness of people to say "Fuck you, cunt" when it's sorely needed. Try it sometime. And be amazed at the result. The power is yours. Use it.
Posted by: SuperMag at July 11, 2012 06:48 PM (XLyed)
In my nick is a link to one of the weirdest stories you'll ever read. Got the link from LaJollaPrincess on teh Twitter. In case she's an 'ette here, I want to give credit.
Posted by: Theresa-Trying to post a fuckin' link and getting the spam message! at July 11, 2012 06:49 PM (36Yg+)
Posted by: Y-not at July 11, 2012 06:49 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: BlackOrchidPinesForDagny at July 11, 2012 06:50 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: Mephitis at July 11, 2012 06:50 PM (hb50a)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 11, 2012 06:50 PM (QTHTd)
Womens stories are the worst.
"guess what happened in the store line"
what
"Well, let me start the setup, I was born on a cold day in decem......"
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 11, 2012 06:51 PM (iYvMQ)
from LaJollaPrincess on teh Twitter. In case she's an 'ette here, I want
to give credit.
One has to give credit for the guy making the best of a bad situation. He must live in the hope that someone asks him "So, what was your favorite job?"
Posted by: Splunge at July 11, 2012 06:51 PM (2IW5Q)
Posted by: eman at July 11, 2012 06:51 PM (ejmiE)
If I had an assburger I'd be obnoxious, too. I'd be wishing I ordered the muff pie.
Posted by: Purity Of Essence at July 11, 2012 06:51 PM (2EdUM)
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Posted by: Reaganite Republican at July 11, 2012 06:52 PM (qfiA8)
Don't know where the middle of the night is, but it sounds like a dark scary place.\
Posted by: Mephitis
Jane lives in Savannah, where they filmed "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil". You thought it was a movie. She lives it.
That there is just humor, so don't get no ideas about comin' up North and gluin' my junk in the middle of the night.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at July 11, 2012 06:54 PM (sJTmU)
Womens stories are the worst.
"guess what happened in the store line"
what
"Well, let me start the setup, I was born on a cold day in decem......"
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Fast forward a half hour......
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And I enetred the wrong code!!! Can you believe it?
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 11, 2012 06:54 PM (iYvMQ)
Posted by: navybrat at July 11, 2012 10:47 PM (JG/Pz)
So what's your point?
Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2012 06:55 PM (6kWFm)
Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2012 06:55 PM (Xb3hu)
Him: Why? I told you it's not a test program - it's a profiler.
Every place I have worked is full of these guys. The young ones are sometimes the worst. I think it goes back to getting "Thou shalt not plagiarize" drilled into their heads in college.
Also, there is the implied "Are you too stupid to do it yourself?"
NO, #$(^$#@@, I want to get the task started and finished!
Posted by: rd at July 11, 2012 06:55 PM (9sUlj)
I think it's a form of obsessive behavior, or perfectionism. She simply cannot let some fact stand. She must make that fact more correct, more perfect.
She has driven many people away, and it's getting worse as she ages. Her husband now just agrees with her all the time, like she is an insane person. I always say "I don't know" because she can't argue about that.
It's really sad. I don't think there is even a med for obsessives.
Posted by: PJ at July 11, 2012 06:56 PM (DQHjw)
Posted by: rickl at July 11, 2012 06:56 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 11, 2012 10:54 PM (XVWwL
Well, thank gawd you looked. I told you!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 11, 2012 06:57 PM (UOM48)
Are ya blushing?
Gotta get to bed after getting home late from practice. Playing da music is fun, even when its the work of practice. But it doesn't recharge the batteries like, well....
Love each other fellow babies. And no quibbling.
Posted by: teej at July 11, 2012 06:57 PM (cDwCa)
fuckin Texas trannies - Chemjeff
Dude, you sound desparate. Don't panic and do something you might later regret.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at July 11, 2012 06:57 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: Vermin at July 11, 2012 06:57 PM (dAIU+)
Womens stories are the worst.
"guess what happened in the store line"
what
"Well, let me start the setup, I was born on a cold day in decem......"
------
Fast forward a half hour......
------
And I enetred the wrong code!!! Can you believe it?
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 11, 2012 10:54 PM (iYvMQ)
Men are bad in this way: you're telling a story--a funny or impactful one--and in the middle of it, they interrupt and comment, thinking that the place in which they interrupted is the point. Their interruption ruins the punchline or the impact.
Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2012 06:58 PM (6kWFm)
Posted by: alexthechick at July 11, 2012 06:59 PM (Gk3SS)
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Mrs. Chronda will go on these big, rambling stories during which she leaves out the one word or phrase that would make sense of the whole thing. Sometimes I can figure out what she's left out (usually because I was involved in whatever the story is about) and fill in the gap.
Like she's going on and on with this group of people about something or other and they're just looking at her like she's got two heads or something. Finally, I pipe up and say "Y'know, dear, it might help if you had used the word LEGO in there somewhere", then they'll smile and nod and know what the hell the story was about.
Apparently it's one of her mutant psychic powers like the ability to spend all of the money in my wallet down to the penny without ever having known how much I had to start with or the ability to lose keys WITH HER MIND!
Posted by: Anachronda at July 11, 2012 06:59 PM (1c58W)
Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2012 06:59 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: Y-not at July 11, 2012 06:59 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Splunge at July 11, 2012 10:56 PM (2IW5Q)
Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2012 06:59 PM (6kWFm)
Posted by: ManeiNeko at July 11, 2012 07:00 PM (TiE76)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 11, 2012 07:01 PM (Y+wkX)
Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2012 10:58 PM (6kWFm)
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I like the ones where you've listened to her and even taken part IN the conversation, and don't know what she just said, then in the next sentence ask her something which was just completely explained to you five seconds earlier.
Probably why I'm divorced.
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 11, 2012 07:01 PM (iYvMQ)
Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2012 10:58 PM (6kWFm
this^^^^^^^^^
I can be in the middle of telling a funny personal story, and D'oh will suddenly decide his version of MY story is better. Totally interrupts and tells an un-funny lame-ass version. Grrrr.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 11, 2012 07:01 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Mephitis at July 11, 2012 07:01 PM (hb50a)
You can only nod your head, smile and act interested in a story for so long.
Posted by: Theresa at July 11, 2012 07:02 PM (36Yg+)
Yes, we are. I am. I try not to do that, but sometimes I still do. But being guilty of this, I know why I do it to women especially. Men seem to know when to leave a rising inflection, or some other vocal signal that the story is not over. Women often seem to drop something that sounds final, and then the listener finds out it was just a way station.
Posted by: Splunge at July 11, 2012 07:02 PM (2IW5Q)
Shedinger is an idiot. My guess is that he has not read the Gospels in over 30 years, and his head is full of shit.
And he has probably never read the Koran or the Hadiths.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at July 11, 2012 07:02 PM (sJTmU)
"You astonish me."
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Posted by: Dan Collins at July 11, 2012 07:03 PM (WLR6o)
Somewhat related fuck you autocorrect I mean cunt stop making it count. Also it is not duck you.
Posted by: alexthechick at July 11, 2012 10:59 PM (Gk3SS)
I don't know, but I want the PPV rights.Posted by: Methos at July 11, 2012 07:03 PM (6LvlL)
I'm an Engineer. I've worked for a certain LARge MulTinational (LAcMarTin) corp. One time, the marketing people were forced to stop using phones to call the engineers, who always ignored the phone messages, and instead use email, which forced the marketers to be precise and specific in their questions to the engineers. Similarly, the engineers were forced to stop using their email to respond to the marketers.and instead use their phones to converse with the marketers.
It didn't work.
Nobody in either camp could bond. The engineers were not fickle, they simply could not understand why the marketers kept changing essential parameters to every question. The marketers felt the engineers were obtuse.
Posted by: Barky Oba-Mao at July 11, 2012 07:04 PM (NM37I)
You: Mary, Mary, quite contrary, how does your garden grow?
Mary: What? You got something against cocker shells? What, you think I burriefd friggin silver bells in the dirt?
Posted by: Deli LLama at July 11, 2012 07:04 PM (uv9eO)
I see you know some of my family.
Posted by: Retread at July 11, 2012 07:06 PM (I2fq9)
Posted by: honey Badger #5 at July 11, 2012 07:07 PM (RQjPS)
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 11, 2012 11:01 PM (iYvMQ)
Experienced that and divorced too. I suspect it isn't a gender thing, but that there a lot of people out there that don't listen and who don't love their mates for who they are.
Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2012 07:07 PM (6kWFm)
funny or impactful one--and in the middle of it, they interrupt and
comment, thinking that the place in which they interrupted is the point.
Their interruption ruins the punchline or the impact.
Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2012 10:58 PM (6kWFm)
Well women need to realize that just like basketball has shot-clocks men also have story-clocks. And if it goes off after 5 minutes and you haven't even started the windup to the main point (or completed the arc to sub-story #1), you WILL get interrupted.
Posted by: Mætenloch at July 11, 2012 07:08 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 11, 2012 07:08 PM (pfOPH)
Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2012 10:59 PM (Xb3hu)
Is there just something in the water these days? My *former* pastor seemed to think that fundies were the enemy but muslims are normal people who need to be understood, and that there's scary stuff in the Bible that could be misunderstood by outsiders so we shouldn't judge the koran.Posted by: Methos at July 11, 2012 07:08 PM (6LvlL)
Jello has been around since before the Civil War, although it only received the current name in 1897.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 11, 2012 07:09 PM (piMMO)
It didn't work.
Nobody in either camp could bond. The engineers were not fickle, they simply could not understand why the marketers kept changing essential parameters to every question. The marketers felt the engineers were obtuse.
The problem here is the direct contact between marketers and engineers. It's not natural. You need an interpreter, either a manager or an architect, people who are certified by experience or inclination to bridge the wide gap without getting frustrated. Direct contact destroys engineers' assumption that the marketing people must be pretty smart, too, in their own field (they are, but engineers really have no conception of what that field is and how different and people-oriented it is), and destroys the wizardly mystique of the engineers in the eyes of the marketing people (which they deserve, but whose actual nature marketing people will not ever understand). Bad all around.
Posted by: Splunge at July 11, 2012 07:09 PM (2IW5Q)
An Obama Cabinet position is no doubt in his future.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 11, 2012 07:09 PM (pfOPH)
Posted by: 66chevelle at July 11, 2012 07:10 PM (QjSgY)
Posted by: Mark at July 11, 2012 07:10 PM (lbwY3)
Chemjeff....look out! There's a trannie to your left and a crack-addled hooker to your right!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 11, 2012 07:10 PM (UOM48)
Conservatives have had their tax cuts for 10 years...where are the jobs?
Liberal joining in: Hey its been 30 years - remember Reagan...where are the jobs.
So..the boom of the 80s, the mid to late 90s, and the mid 00s all go down the dustbin.
Also, don't liberals think "Clinton had the best economy evers!!!!"
Posted by: 18-1 at July 11, 2012 07:11 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 11, 2012 07:11 PM (Ho2rs)
“From a safety point of view, it’s good that you drive like an 87-year-old European.”
Posted by: e e Cummings at July 11, 2012 07:11 PM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at July 11, 2012 07:11 PM (oSbSN)
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 11, 2012 07:13 PM (N3Vqe)
***
Jesus took up the word to give people a message, that excluding the theological aspect, most atheists would agree with. Even hard leftwing "morality" is just a facade slapped on Christian morality.
Muhammed, conversely, took up the sword to force people to submit. It is literally what Islam means.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 11, 2012 07:14 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: Splunge at July 11, 2012 11:02 PM (2IW5Q)
Hmmm. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks!
Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2012 07:14 PM (6kWFm)
Conservatives have had their tax cuts for 10 years...where are the jobs?
-----
They're waiting for the danger to go away.
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 11, 2012 07:14 PM (iYvMQ)
No, proof by repeated assertion is the ultimate authority ;->
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 11, 2012 07:14 PM (N3Vqe)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 11, 2012 07:15 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: El Guapo at July 11, 2012 07:16 PM (xXhWA)
No, it was the tractor parts guy. ;->
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 11, 2012 07:17 PM (N3Vqe)
oppositional conversational style.
My oldest daughter has a very strong form is this. My husband has a much milder form of it. In fact, I suspect he saves it for the most important person in his life: me. Most people he comes in contact with think he's the most pleasant and agreeable person they have ever met.
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at July 11, 2012 07:17 PM (bMLFV)
Posted by: huerfano at July 11, 2012 07:17 PM (bAGA/)
Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2012 07:18 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 11, 2012 07:18 PM (iYvMQ)
Posted by: Mætenloch at July 11, 2012 11:08 PM (pAlYe)
My stories are usually pretty short. (I try to go by Dennis Prager's four sentences rule.) One thing I find that helps when the story is longer: at the beginning, telling the guy to shut up and don't interrupt until I'm finished. Okay, I may say it nicer than that.
Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2012 07:20 PM (6kWFm)
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 11, 2012 07:20 PM (N3Vqe)
The problem is not, as the writer posits, a matter of conversational contrarianism (or whatever). The problem is an unwillingness of people to say "Fuck you, cunt" when it's sorely needed.
Try it sometime. And be amazed at the result. The power is yours. Use it.
Posted by: SuperMag at July 11, 2012 10:48 PM (XLyed)
------------>>>
During the brief time I was a union representative at my agency, I was party to a contract negotiation where the city agreed to a 9% pay-raise over three years in exchange for concessions from the union. I frankly thought it was a really sweet deal.
>During the union membership vote, a police officer (that was always a contrarian) stood up and proceeded to say how shitty the deal was, the union reps sold out, blah, blah, blah. I told her shut the f*ck up, vote "no" and get out because I was tired of her bad attitude. She never pulled her contrarian crap on me again after that.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at July 11, 2012 07:20 PM (M0NzJ)
Hi! Did you work there too?
In any case, certain expectations between people who deal with inherently different perceptions of reality are just bound to fail...
Posted by: Barky Oba-Mao at July 11, 2012 07:21 PM (NM37I)
Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2012 07:21 PM (nrW1y)
"Conservatives have had their tax cuts for 10 years...where are the jobs?"
Liberals have had their tax cuts----oh, wait...they don't pay taxes. I can see why they're rattling their cups on the bars now.
Posted by: 66chevelle at July 11, 2012 07:22 PM (QjSgY)
men also have story-clocks.
My husband tells the oldest to "just give me the man version". Meaning ten words or less.
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at July 11, 2012 07:22 PM (bMLFV)
***
In fairness, I've known more terrible marketeers then engineers. People who should know trivial last minute changes wreck a project....and it better be worth the risk you are taking...
Ok, yes I agreed no changes after yesterday that weren't priority 1 bugs. But...you are using Arial on that page 3 layers deep in the hierarchy. WE...MUST...HAVE....COURIER!!!!! Why yes, I did just notice and decide on this now, why do you ask.?
Of course my favorite;
Ok, so you guys tested it and it doesn't work. We'll just release it to the main website and not link to it. Because that's perfectly safe...right? What do you mean Google is evil. Ok, I register your "hell" and "hell no". How long will it take to deploy again?
8 hours later...
So...Google indexed us huh? And the customers all started putting the new webpages in the forums? And brought the whole site down because the new pages didn't work. WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME IT WAS A BAD IDEA?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 11, 2012 07:22 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2012 07:23 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 11, 2012 11:11 PM (Ho2rs)
Ha! Not exactly prophetic.
Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2012 07:23 PM (6kWFm)
My stories are usually pretty short. (I try to go by Dennis Prager's four sentences rule.) One thing I find that helps when the story is longer: at the beginning, telling the guy to shut up and don't interrupt until I'm finished. Okay, I may say it nicer than that.
Perhaps ladies stories should follow the movie formula. I guess in most action movies and such they have a big explosion around the one hour mark to help keep people's interest in the movie. So all ladies' stories should have an explosion at the 5 minute mark. I recommend hiring Michael Bay for the effects.
Posted by: buzzion at July 11, 2012 07:24 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: honey Badger #5 at July 11, 2012 07:25 PM (RQjPS)
***
Nah, according to the Koran 9 year old Aysha was his favorite wife, at least until she hit puberty.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 11, 2012 07:25 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at July 11, 2012 07:26 PM (bMLFV)
Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2012 07:27 PM (Xb3hu)
This weekend was my SIL's birthday,so we all got together for a small party. At one point, I went into the house, came back out, and stood on the porch, watching everyone.
Dawned on me that THERE is the reward for all the effort.It made the balance of the afternoon that much sweeter.
I'll be perfectly happy having this accomplishment as our legacy.
This wasn't apropos of anything, I simply wished to share it.
You may now laugh, if you choose.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 11, 2012 07:28 PM (SAMxH)
any time you hear social justice, replace it with socialism/marxism Posted by: honey Badger #5 at July 11, 2012 11:25 PM (RQjPS)
Justice means punishment. Its time for social punishment. And climate punishment.
Posted by: El Guapo at July 11, 2012 07:29 PM (xXhWA)
Posted by: baldilocks at July 11, 2012 07:29 PM (6kWFm)
Should have gone ahead and let his patron buy that senate seat for him. He could be the second member of the Baucus Caucus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Y9X5ggxzA
Posted by: huerfano at July 11, 2012 07:29 PM (bAGA/)
Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 11, 2012 07:30 PM (qqlqB)
FTFY
Posted by: Some Moron at July 11, 2012 11:26 PM (AUeaU)
That works too. Unless its your daughter or mom telling you the long story and your name isn't Lannister.
Posted by: buzzion at July 11, 2012 07:31 PM (GULKT)
I do that too.
Posted by: Roman Polanski at July 11, 2012 07:31 PM (zMouK)
Pokers to the left of him, smokers to the right....stuck in the middle....
Posted by: NC Ref at July 11, 2012 07:31 PM (/izg2)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 11, 2012 07:32 PM (ZhEoC)
Was in a realty office once, since I hosted their website they figured I would also not mind teaching them how to use computers. As I'm there fixing the "login problem" by plugging the keyboard in that the cleaning crew unplugged, I'm listening to a realtor tell stories stolen directly from a Larry the Cable guy act, and pretending like the stuff happened to him over the weekend.
Guy stories can get lame too.
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 11, 2012 07:32 PM (iYvMQ)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 11, 2012 11:32 PM (ZhEoC)
No, you stay 16 for 6 years. Since they are using 14 year olds.
Posted by: buzzion at July 11, 2012 07:33 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Barky Oba-Mao at July 11, 2012 07:34 PM (NM37I)
What you need is a PMO between them staffed with tech savvy people who can tell marketing "no" and have it stick, and who can tell the dev staff to stop whining and suck it up.
One way to make "no" stick is have all design changes, even seemingly trivial ones, require impact assessments from design, development, and test organizations. Even seemingly trivial changes, like going from Ariel (proportional) to Courier (monospaced) can have significant impact on automated test scenario screen scrapers and their associated data files as well as messing with 3rd party software that's being developed concurrently using your alpha/beta releases.
When everyone comes back and says, sure we can do that, but it'll cost 2 weeks on the release date schedule and break XYZ Corp's BarfoCalc that just went to CD manufacturing last week, the marketing guys suddenly get new perspective on how unnecessary it really was.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 11, 2012 07:34 PM (N3Vqe)
I'm glad the comments stopped while I catch up. Thanks.
Posted by: Z Ryan at July 11, 2012 07:38 PM (tsC/8)
http://tinyurl.com/d6ddvc9
Posted by: kbdabear at July 11, 2012 07:39 PM (Y+DPZ)
http://tinyurl.com/89t6ycw
Uh...I think they are pretty noticeable. If you aren't an idiot.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 11, 2012 07:41 PM (AUeaU)
No they don't.
Shut up, shut up, shut up.
For a while at a job I had a friend with better diplomatic skills proof-read any long technical e-mails for me.
Apparently even though you just type
Ok,
They can hear the Dear ^%&*( Moron right thru the toobz.
Posted by: DaveA at July 11, 2012 07:42 PM (864A5)
http://tinyurl.com/d6ddvc9
Posted by: kbdabear
Holy shnikes.
Posted by: Z Ryan at July 11, 2012 07:43 PM (tsC/8)
@66
My favorite Andy Kaufman experience was when he was on the Carol Burnett show, and the setup to his bit began with about six grim-looking black percussionists pounding out a thundering polyrhythmic cadence. Andy came out on stage, proceeded solemnly to his waiting bongo drums, paused theatrically, began slapping away at the drums, and then sang "It's a Small World"...the whole damn song.
He was not even the funniest part of the whole bit. The Black dudes on the drums were glaring holes in the TV, but they kept stoically playing. I swear they weren't in on the bit. Kaufman probably told them they were getting their Big Break or something. Hell, I don't even think Carol Burnett knew what was going on. It went straight to commercial while Kaufman circled his finger for another chorus. And not one of those guys, including Kaufman, ever cracked so much as a smirk. Some serious comedic tension was going on there.
This was in the mid-seventies, I think I was about 16, and I cannot remember another time in my life since then that I have laughed so hard.
Posted by: 66chevelle at July 11, 2012 07:44 PM (QjSgY)
Posted by: mr_jack at July 11, 2012 07:44 PM (TMG3G)
Posted by: Theresa at July 11, 2012 07:45 PM (36Yg+)
Pirgy: Our state generates X tons of garbage a year, let's put a despoit on just about everything to stop that.
Me: So you want to tax the poor. Because those are the people who won't have the time and means to sort and return all this crap.
Pirgy: Its not a tax. You get your money back.
Me: If people take the time to do what you want them to do. Otherwise you take the money from them.
Pirgy: Uh, this conservation isn't going anywhere, why don't you take this flyer
Me: So I can...throw it away?
Pirgy: Uh...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 11, 2012 07:46 PM (AUeaU)
http://tinyurl.com/d6ddvc9
Were John Candy and Steve Martin driving it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKtFIgmoqoI
Posted by: Waterhouse at July 11, 2012 07:46 PM (VY0Cc)
Did I mention that said MAN is in his 50's and happens to be a Turkish Muslim? Not sure if that latter bit of info is salient, however, I am appalled by any man using the phrase "picking on me."
Posted by: shibumi at July 11, 2012 07:47 PM (z63Tr)
Have you seen the pics of the 57' Chevy's in Cuba converted to wood burning power?
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 11, 2012 07:47 PM (N3Vqe)
In the 40 years I've been repairing cars, I have bumped into a few just as bad. I've seen rubber hose masquerading as brake lines, frames held together with angle iron, tires so bald you can see the air, doors roped shut, and a host of other frightening shit.
That Pinto is just one more example.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 11, 2012 07:50 PM (SAMxH)
ANS: "Because you have a severe BO problem, are being cuckolded by your wife, your kids think you're gay, and you drive like a cabbie in Rome. Get those issues fixed and you won't be such a ripe target dude."
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 11, 2012 07:52 PM (N3Vqe)
"Believe it or not, some somali was driving this cab, and it's not even suitable for parts. Minnesota State Police pulled it over and impounded"
FIFY
Posted by: 66chevelle at July 11, 2012 07:53 PM (QjSgY)
I was more concerned with Winston Zeddimore, the fourth Ghostbuster, distractingly showing up in the third act. But I'd have forgiven that, if the ghosts of Aristotle and Anton Chekhov had shown up soon after and flung him into the Hudson
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 11, 2012 07:53 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 11, 2012 07:57 PM (XYqoq)
Posted by: Fritz at July 11, 2012 07:57 PM (02fNe)
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 11, 2012 07:57 PM (N3Vqe)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 11, 2012 07:59 PM (XYqoq)
http://tinyurl.com/89t6ycw
Uh...I think they are pretty noticeable. If you aren't an idiot.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 11, 2012 11:41 PM (AUeaU)
The Transformers one is kind of silly too. I mean its true that Michael Bay did that and made non military government personnel idiots. Because that's what the liberals would do. He made them a bit of an over the top caricature in the exact same way he did for the Bush Administration in the first movie. Hell he had Bush make the flight attendant get him ding dongs. And then they were going full bore military ramp up we need to go to war with whoever is attacking us even though we don't know who it is. So first movie has caricature of Conservative hawks. Second movie has caricature of liberal pussies. And they get all upset about their portrayal in a movie because it exposes them for what they are.
Posted by: buzzion at July 11, 2012 08:00 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2012 08:00 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 08:01 PM (tw6Ar)
I'm going to be one of those nitpickers and point out that there's no real evidence that either event happened.
But the latter event does have this going for it: the 10 year old girl grew up, became an Islamic warlord-ette and then loudly claimed that she was Mo's last bride.
Thereby proving that throwing around loads of bullshit, hijacking a religion, and killing lots of people isn't just something that men do. Women do it too! A feminist victory!
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 11, 2012 08:01 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Z Ryan at July 11, 2012 08:01 PM (tsC/8)
I've seen a few laying around or up on blocks around MN when I've been up there during summers. When there's a certainty of severe salt and hi chance of off roading or stranding why would you take a good car. I don't know if they strip anything out of the cross lake drivers though.
Posted by: DaveA at July 11, 2012 08:01 PM (864A5)
Posted by: Z Ryan at July 11, 2012 08:02 PM (tsC/8)
@174
JJJ being treated for alcoholism?
I sense a conversion to Islam coming. He does have the Holy Poser gene...I mean, I assume he's got that genetic...ummm, his dad's genes...uh, that he is, in fact, Junior Jackson. Because he is, right?
Posted by: 66chevelle at July 11, 2012 08:02 PM (QjSgY)
Posted by: Theresa at July 11, 2012 08:03 PM (36Yg+)
Try it sometime. And be amazed at the result. The power is yours. Use it.
.......................................................
Divorce lawyers love this approach. Ask me how I know...
Posted by: chewydog at July 11, 2012 08:03 PM (BUY7X)
I'd not blame Mrs Jesse for taking a walk on the wild side.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 11, 2012 08:06 PM (QTHTd)
OK... I am a mess.
Went to a wedding in Carmel and they had a really cool soundtrack during dinner and then Barry Manilow came on... that song ready to take a chance again. Very touching given the past history of the marrying couple.
And now I am drinking and listening to this tune and a complete mess.
I knew I should have drank more at that wedding.
Posted by: Journolist at July 11, 2012 08:08 PM (WzLTm)
I used to have a winter beater. You could go to any car dealer and pick something out of the back lot for next to nothing, drive it, and park it for Summer. Bought them for less than $100 lots of times.
Nowadays, it runs 2k for the same crappy car.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 11, 2012 08:11 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: 66chevelle at July 11, 2012 08:13 PM (QjSgY)
Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 11, 2012 08:21 PM (SAMxH)
speaking of listening skills or well thought out stories.
my spouse is worse than I , No Really!
my spouse will start a story with ,'wait i must tell you this .
will start with what everyone around him was wearing (nothing to do with strory but o well)
will move on to anyone walking through the room or area while whatever incident was happening. will mention if they held a coke or a donut. (alos irrelevant as nothing happned re coke or donut)
will end up after 20 minutes with , what should have been a 1 minute tops comment , about a complaint about smelling cig smoke in their car, and how mad they are. '
and i'll move my hands like hurry-hurry please the grandchild might be drowning in the pond.
when finished i just nod my head.
Posted by: willow at July 11, 2012 08:23 PM (TomZ9)
Faults;
Slow
Ugly
Noisy
Harsh riding
1/8 inches of steel was your impact zone in front
In even a mild wind, it blew all over the road
Narrow track, high center of gravity, thin tires meant that you basically had to stop to corner without rolling over
Virtues;
It killed a lot of hippies
Posted by: kbdabear at July 11, 2012 08:24 PM (Y+DPZ)
Yeah, I was a bit baffled by that story. Calculator Construction Set came out when the 512K Fat Mac was the hot model.
Any sane person would have gotten a new job within the company or elsewhere and done the graphing calculator as a freeware. Tat way he could release it immediately and just keep revving it as he made improvements or corrected bugs.
No wonder he still drives the same 1987 Corolla.
Posted by: epobirs at July 11, 2012 08:25 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: zeera at July 11, 2012 08:26 PM (XtxRN)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 11, 2012 08:27 PM (I2LwF)
Nope don't wanna see. Might be amusing to put a radar gun on the Lost in Space robot zooming away.
There'd have to be some sort of internal warning system disconnect there. You know like that little bit of common sense left that tells you throwing the cat in the toilet, sitting down and flushing as a way to save money buying a bidet probably wasn't a good idea .
Posted by: DaveA at July 11, 2012 08:29 PM (864A5)
http://tinyurl.com/7o8uawz
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 08:29 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 11, 2012 08:31 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 11, 2012 08:31 PM (QTHTd)
Chrysler suspensions were barely past Model T's, and the brakes would kind of slow the car down. Ball joints were bi-montly purchases, and if the front end stayed in alignment all the way home from the shop you were blessed
The engines were strong as they came though
Posted by: kbdabear at July 11, 2012 08:31 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at July 11, 2012 08:33 PM (F0o5k)
I'd be willing to bet your colleague has Asperger's.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at July 12, 2012 12:33 AM (F0o5k)
I'm tired of rudeness and incivility being a syndrome.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 11, 2012 08:36 PM (rzSn3)
looks like I get to keep my Avengers boxset pre-order
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 08:37 PM (tw6Ar)
229
MERLOT RUNNING OUT MY NOSE and THE MOUTH SPRAY JUST SHORTED OUT I-POD!!!!!
AND YOU OWE ME A NEW KEYBOARD TOOOO!!!!
DAMN YOU KB!!!
Posted by: Richard at July 11, 2012 08:37 PM (uiPAK)
Posted by: kbdabear at July 12, 2012 12:31 AM (Y+DPZ)
Heh, I had a 69 Camaro SS 350. You didn't want to drive it in the snow unless you found steering while looking out the rear window , side windows, sometimes windsheild a challenge you looked forward too.
Posted by: robtr at July 11, 2012 08:37 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Z Ryan at July 11, 2012 08:37 PM (tsC/8)
The best way to handle mr contrarian is to not give him anything to argue with..since he won't give you any facts back anyway.
Maet: dude, remember that program you did for customer X a while back?
Mr Contrary: The profiler?
Maet: Yeah, give it to me. I need to "profile" something.
Mr C: Ok.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 11, 2012 08:41 PM (rzSn3)
Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2012 08:43 PM (nrW1y)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 11, 2012 08:45 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2012 08:45 PM (nrW1y)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 11, 2012 08:45 PM (d/5XG)
Maet: dude, remember that program you did for customer X a while back?
Mr Contrary: No
Maet: It was a profiler
Mr C: No it wasn't, it won't work for that, it was an automated test code.
Maet: ahh fuck it.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 12, 2012 12:41 AM (rzSn3)
Posted by: robtr at July 11, 2012 08:45 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 11, 2012 08:46 PM (ZhEoC)
Posted by: Z Ryan at July 11, 2012 08:49 PM (tsC/8)
Apparently they brought in some models (they all seem to be British and mixed-race West Indian, at a guess), and then... they just left the camera running. Spliced it in with some random stuff just to keep the viewers' attention.
It's interesting as an artistic expression but does it fit the song?
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 11, 2012 08:49 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 11, 2012 08:49 PM (d/5XG)
Robotr, you gave him a statement to disagree with. Tsk. The proper response now that he has admitted that he remembers it is to say...give it to me.
And you might as well just go look the program up in source control yourself, or on his hard disk rather than ask him a damn thing.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 11, 2012 08:50 PM (rzSn3)
Posted by: Jix at July 11, 2012 08:52 PM (VDKgR)
To me this sounds like a portrait is counteracting the narrator's identity. Especially when sung in Sumner's arch accents and played over a techno beat - which it is - I keep hearing it as the soundtrack to Oscar Wilde's Dorian Grey.
That should have been the video.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 11, 2012 08:52 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 12, 2012 12:46 AM
She was dating Mark Sanchez. If she's with Verlander, at least it's somebody who's good at his chosen profession
Posted by: kbdabear at July 11, 2012 08:53 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Z Ryan at July 11, 2012 08:57 PM (tsC/8)
Posted by: kbdabear at July 12, 2012 12:53 AM (Y+DPZ)
Yeah, Sanchez is apparently now with Eva Longoria, or so the rumors say. The boy gets around.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 11, 2012 08:58 PM (ZhEoC)
The riffs on Eminence Front are pure edge.
This was my theme song getting ready on Saturday nights.
Heh, we all had theme songs.
Posted by: Journolist at July 11, 2012 08:59 PM (WzLTm)
No, we marry them
Posted by: Giselle Bundchen AKA Mrs Tom Brady at July 11, 2012 09:02 PM (Y+DPZ)
Maet,
Your we don't like change around here... you know that.
The vowels aren't contracted in the name anymore.
Is this really Maet posting.
We need answers man.
Posted by: Journolist at July 11, 2012 09:02 PM (WzLTm)
"Him: Why? I told you it's not a test program - it's a profiler."
Wrong answer: "Help me help us."
Right answer: "You know what? This screwdriver isn't a knife, but I could still stab you to death with it. Now send me the fucking program."
Posted by: MARTY at July 11, 2012 09:03 PM (6t44W)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 11, 2012 09:04 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Elisha Cuthbert at July 11, 2012 09:04 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 12, 2012 12:58 AM (ZhEoC)
the joys of being a QB in New York. That being said, he should be getting hitched to one soon since the prospects him being a starter much longer is not to be. No one wants a bench rider or at least not the quality that he's been pulling
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 09:04 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 11, 2012 09:06 PM (qqlqB)
Posted by: Journolist at July 11, 2012 09:06 PM (WzLTm)
Your we don't like change around here... you know that.
The vowels aren't contracted in the name anymore.
Is this really Maet posting.
We need answers man.
Posted by: Journolist at July 12, 2012 01:02 AM (WzLTm)
Well you just try and squeeze the letters together on an iphone....not easy.
Posted by: Mætenloch at July 11, 2012 09:06 PM (xROTy)
Maet brother,
If you are telling me you crafted this ONT on an iphone you are a complete genius.
Posted by: Journolist at July 11, 2012 09:10 PM (WzLTm)
Dead thread?
Requesting permission to post hardcore porn. That'll liven her back up.
Posted by: Robert at July 11, 2012 09:10 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Journolist at July 12, 2012 01:06 AM (WzLTm)
no because backgammon actually takes skill
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 09:11 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Jake Plummer at July 11, 2012 09:12 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 11, 2012 09:12 PM (LrX95)
I was posting New Order videos, so, probably just as well you showed up . . .
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 11, 2012 09:15 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 11, 2012 09:15 PM (vLYCe)
Posted by: fluffy at July 11, 2012 09:16 PM (z9HTb)
Just thought I should post to see if I'm banned.
I work with a contrary conversationalist. He is a pain. He automatically takes the opposite side of any statement I may make. He has stabbed me in the back twice with this tactic. it will not happen again.
He claims to be a libertarian but is actually an anarchist. He claims to be able to see both sides of an argument but is actually a moral relativist. He is morally bancrupt. He is also however, smart, interesting, and capable.
He regrets his vote for Obama ( an effort, he claims, to punish the Rethuglicans for Palin) but has yet to admit he was wrong to vote for an obvious fraud (Obama).
Oddly enough enough I kind of enjoy his company as he forces me to really think through an opinion before I express it, just so I can argue efectively with him.
Posted by: Jeffersonian at July 11, 2012 09:16 PM (60WUU)
Posted by: Isobel Ingoldesthorpe at July 11, 2012 09:16 PM (PDKu6)
Him: Why? I told you it's not a test program - it's a profiler.
And this is where you say, "well, I want to re-profile the nodes to see if they are still performing up to original specification."
Posted by: crosspatch at July 11, 2012 09:16 PM (ZbLJZ)
Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 11, 2012 09:16 PM (qqlqB)
Posted by: cthulhu at July 11, 2012 09:17 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 11, 2012 09:20 PM (qqlqB)
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 11, 2012 09:22 PM (LrX95)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 11, 2012 09:22 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Robert at July 11, 2012 09:23 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Isobel Ingoldesthorpe at July 11, 2012 09:25 PM (PDKu6)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 11, 2012 09:25 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 12, 2012 01:22 AM (LrX95)
posh restaurant
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 09:27 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 12, 2012 01:25 AM (3yCFy)
jazz hall/club
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 09:27 PM (tw6Ar)
A DUCK!
Posted by: Arthur, King of the Britons at July 11, 2012 09:30 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: chemjeff in Texas at July 11, 2012 09:31 PM (QEKX5)
Posted by: Theresa at July 11, 2012 09:33 PM (36Yg+)
Posted by: chemjeff in Texas at July 12, 2012 01:31 AM (QEKX5)
too formal, especially with a gray shirt
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 09:33 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Robert at July 11, 2012 09:34 PM (4ixH5)
Even if it's a bla.zer?
And what color shirt would make it "appropriate" for a jazz club?
Posted by: chemjeff in Texas at July 11, 2012 09:34 PM (QEKX5)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 11, 2012 09:34 PM (3yCFy)
I'm trying to convince my candidate to go with a new, dynamic website design. Ive mocked one up in what I will call the alpha stage-- no social networking, just roughing out what it will look like overall.
Morons. Please take a look at my little political science project and tell me if it totally sucks or not.
Link in my sig.
TN
Where are you, again? (no mention of district)
Is there an incumbent? (no mention of incumbent -- why change?)
Do I know you? (is there a high-profile rival?)
Posted by: cthulhu at July 11, 2012 09:35 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: cthulhu at July 12, 2012 01:35 AM (kaalw)
Remember Sean Bielat?
TN's guy is running against him.
Posted by: Robert at July 11, 2012 09:37 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: chemjeff in Texas at July 12, 2012 01:34 AM (QEKX5)
If your going the suit route, just simple white. And a good hat is important
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 09:37 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Z Ryan at July 11, 2012 09:37 PM (tsC/8)
Posted by: chemjeff in Texas at July 12, 2012 01:37 AM (QEKX5)
if you have a jacket, it's a suit to me
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 09:38 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: chemjeff in Texas at July 11, 2012 09:40 PM (QEKX5)
Posted by: chemjeff in Texas at July 12, 2012 01:35 AM (QEKX5)
NEGATORY!!!!
Wear whatever YOU think is appropriate... don't let the Metro Fashion folks dictate to you....
Style comes and goes... I've been wearing black shirt, black silk ties (al la paige) for about 30 years.... and although I do get funny looks from the Gay guys... I've NEVER had a problem with the ladies...
Heck... I've worn a Tux to a Bikers Bar... and my leather Jacket to a posh Hamptons Cocktail Party.... its NOT what you wear... but the confidence with which you wear it...
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2012 09:40 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Some Duck in heat at July 11, 2012 09:40 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 11, 2012 09:40 PM (qqlqB)
Posted by: Roger Daltry at July 11, 2012 09:42 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: cthulhu at July 12, 2012 01:35 AM (kaalw)
Remember Sean Bielat?
TN's guy is running against him.
Posted by: Robert at July 12, 2012 01:37 AM (4ixH5)
*I* know that, but I'm a moron. What's anyone logging into this website of his supposed to think?
Posted by: cthulhu at July 11, 2012 09:42 PM (kaalw)
Listen, Mate, I was endorsed by Dennis the Peasant. You trying to start something?
Posted by: fluffy, King Shit of Fuck Mountain at July 11, 2012 09:43 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Robert at July 11, 2012 09:43 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 11, 2012 09:44 PM (iYvMQ)
Posted by: chemjeff in Texas at July 12, 2012 01:40 AM (QEKX5)
no as it's mostly chicks in dresses that are the waiters at a club. And bartenders uniform is white shirt with black bowtie
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 09:46 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: cthulhu at July 12, 2012 01:42 AM (kaalw)
Posted by: Robert at July 11, 2012 09:46 PM (4ixH5)
I can talk to my fashion consultant and see if she is willing to make a little time.
She is big on the classics.
Posted by: fluffy at July 11, 2012 09:48 PM (z9HTb)
I have to decide by tomorrow whether or not I return the bla.zer
good night all
Posted by: chemjeff in Texas at July 11, 2012 09:48 PM (QEKX5)
Posted by: Z Ryan at July 11, 2012 09:48 PM (tsC/8)
Posted by: Robert at July 11, 2012 09:49 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 11, 2012 09:55 PM (qqlqB)
Posted by: cthulhu at July 12, 2012 02:16 AM (kaalw)
No time for love Dr. Jones
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 10:19 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: cthulhu at July 11, 2012 10:26 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Robert at July 11, 2012 10:26 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at July 11, 2012 10:27 PM (Xrbom)
Hey, how ya doin'?
Uh, yeah, kinda. Something about Randy knockin' some dude off the stage in the Czech Republic, dude dies later, Czechs arrest him and now they won't let him leave the country?
Speakin' of All That Remains, Phil Labonte has made it a kind of cause celeb on Bookface.
Posted by: Robert at July 11, 2012 10:31 PM (4ixH5)
Your trial site is less cluttered which is good. Yes, a video of him speaking and laying out his case should be prominent -- after all, this is a youtube world now.
I figure you can get a potential supporter to click on your website ONCE, so make it count.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2012 10:35 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at July 11, 2012 10:38 PM (Xrbom)
Posted by: Robert at July 11, 2012 10:41 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at July 11, 2012 10:46 PM (Xrbom)
It would be epic and unprecedented.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2012 10:47 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: cthulhu at July 11, 2012 10:47 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Robert at July 11, 2012 10:49 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at July 11, 2012 10:52 PM (Xrbom)
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2012 10:53 PM (ccXZP)
I'll have to look at it later. Work block and all that.
Posted by: Robert at July 11, 2012 10:54 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at July 11, 2012 10:55 PM (Xrbom)
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 10:56 PM (tw6Ar)
Andy! you devil. wrestling those poor soft bodies into your clutches. villian! ... where is scarlett johansson..? i'm not afraid of her ..
o/t the U.N. sucks!
Posted by: and irresolute at July 11, 2012 10:59 PM (Q492A)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at July 12, 2012 02:55 AM (Xrbom)
No kidding.
Phil of ATR has said this much already.
Posted by: Robert at July 11, 2012 11:00 PM (4ixH5)
Had an office mate who would invariably ask you to repeat yourself whenever you opened a conversation. "What?" Every time. Looking the guy right in the face and speaking plainly. Drove me crazy.
Posted by: RokShox at July 11, 2012 11:02 PM (r2y+f)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at July 11, 2012 11:02 PM (JKNDp)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at July 11, 2012 11:05 PM (Xrbom)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 11, 2012 11:06 PM (XYqoq)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at July 12, 2012 03:02 AM (JKNDp)
really liked Snow White, still odd that they made Kristen Stewart attractive to me (always see her as Foster's daughter in Panic Room)
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 11:08 PM (tw6Ar)
Me: A statement that may not be true in all possible circumstances.
My wife: Bu....
Me (interrupting): You're going to contradict me aren't you.
About a half dozen of those and the problem went away.
Posted by: RokShox at July 11, 2012 11:08 PM (r2y+f)
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 11:16 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 11, 2012 11:31 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 11, 2012 11:22 PM (vbh31)
Relax. Code grooming is a common occupation of any decent programmer.
If you didn't have a touch of OCD, you probably couldn't BE a programmer.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at July 11, 2012 11:44 PM (CP+yl)
Posted by: The Dude
There is ignorance and there is willful ignorance.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at July 11, 2012 11:44 PM (sClIO)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 12, 2012 03:44 AM (sClIO)
I give you Bass and NewCactle, name some others
Posted by: The Dude at July 11, 2012 11:48 PM (tw6Ar)
beeradvocate.com/beerfly/list?c_id=GB2&s_id=0&brewery=Y
If you've tried more than 3, you might have a point but I suspect you don't.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at July 11, 2012 11:54 PM (sClIO)
Posted by: aGrimm at July 12, 2012 12:03 AM (wQavC)
Posted by: jc at July 12, 2012 12:07 AM (ufJKx)
Having that nearly constant opposition really puts a wet towel on drinking and BSing.
I hope I don't do it...much...
Posted by: fb at July 12, 2012 12:33 AM (NXd0Q)
Posted by: GMB at July 12, 2012 12:39 AM (kPe9l)
Spain's Repsol oil company is leaving the island of Cuba; its exploratory wells came up dry. So Raul Castro requests Russian investment.
Posted by: maverick muse at July 12, 2012 02:05 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: teej at July 12, 2012 02:23 AM (Vdd8W)
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Posted by: Drider at July 12, 2012 05:36 AM (HaJD9)
Posted by: logprof at July 12, 2012 07:06 AM (xCzBd)
I identify it as "teenager".
Posted by: John T at July 12, 2012 10:33 AM (HrZZH)
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