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July 19, 2012

Overnight Open Thread (7-19-2012)
— Maetenloch

History's Bloodiest Wars And Who To Blame

From our own beloved pixy.

Rank	Name	Aggressor	Victim	How Many
1	World War II	Germany, Japan, sundry others best forgotten	Everyone else	40 million+
2	An Lushan Rebellion	China	China	33 million*
3	Mongol Invasions	Mongols	Everyone else	30 million**
4	Yuan Dynasty Collapse	China	China	30 million
5	Ming Dynasty	China	China	25 million
6	Taiping Rebellion	China	China	20 million
7	World War I	Germany, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Empire, Influenza Virus	Everyone else	15-65 million
8	Tamerlane's Conquests	Tamerlane	Human decency	15 million
9	Dungan Revolt	China	China	8 million
10	Russian Revolution	Filthy Commies	Anastasia, sound agricultural policy	5 million

Looking at this table I'm thinking that China has been just a little too quiet for a little too long. And if Lewis Richardson got it right, we are getting near the statistical due date for a 10⁹ death conflict.

And to make up for all that I offer you some kittenz:

Retirement Ages

Note that these are the 'official' retirement ages. But often government workers, members of certain unions or anyone deemed in a 'hazardous' occupation (such as hairdressers in Greece) are allowed to retire at 50.

Firing For Questioning Stolen Valor

You may have heard of the recent Alvarez supreme court decision but here is the sordid dÃ©nouement to the original case:

On a tour bus trip to Southern California Edison's Big Creek power plant, event planner Melissa Campbell was passing out snacks to dignitaries when one of them asked her a question that would change both of their lives and make U.S. judicial history.
"Do you know who I am?" asked Xavier Alvarez, an elected member of a local water board, not waiting for an answer.
"I am a Congressional Medal of Honor recipient."

But of course it turns out that Alvarez was never even in the military much less a recipient of the medal of honor. And this made Campbell mad enough to confront him.

Less attention has been paid to the fate of the woman who helped expose Mr. Alvarez and who brought him to the attention of the FBI. Ms. Campbell, the event planner serving Mr. Alvarez snacks on June 27, 2007, was a U.S. Marine Corps veteran who served her country for 10 years.
...By the time the investigation into Mr. Alvarez was under way, Ms. Campbell had other concerns. Days after the trip to Big Creek, she said, she was suspended by the company and told that it was unprofessional to confront Mr. Alvarez.

One supervisor said, "I don't understand why you made such a big deal. You're not even a Marine anymore," Ms. Campbell recalled.

"Do you understand what they do to earn their awards?" Ms. Campbell replied.

Suspended from her job, Ms. Campbell said she later got a phone call from the company asking her to attend a meeting. When she walked into the office, she said, she saw boxes full of her belongings.
It was official, she said - she'd been fired.

Well I guess no modern legal story is complete until the guilty have gone free and the virtuous are punished.

Woody Guthrie vs. The Animals: House of the Rising Sun

Well Woody's 1941 version may be more folk-authentic, but I think the Animals 1965 version has more passion and is just plain better.

Reclaiming China's Photographs

Almost no photographs from before 1970 exist in China. Why? Cultural Revolution and a communist police state that's why.

China's photographic record begins only in the 1970s because nearly all earlier pictures were destroyed. The ones that survived are mostly outside China, and a major effort is now under way to bring them together online, says the BBC's Mary Ward-Lowery.

Any government that deliberately tries to destroy memories of the past is pretty much guaranteed to turn a country into bloody hellhole.

The One Food Item You Shouldn't Order According to Fast Food Workers

Fast food ice. This seems to be recurring as it is difficult to keep the machines clean and mold free. There have been studies and articles regarding this issue. Added We tend not to think about soft drink machines, how often they're cleaned and the amount of calories in the drinks themselves.
Unconventional pizza toppings or menu items seem to be a popular concern among the employed. I can attest to this personally in regard to topping meats and certain specialty items.

Yahoo group. That is all.

And my Twitter spew.

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1 Has anyone seen Bill Clinton? I mean, seriously, where is that glorious son of a gun?

Posted by: Anthony at July 19, 2012 06:13 PM (1vHjc)

2 Oh good.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 19, 2012 06:14 PM (I2LwF)

3 Ahhh, that fresh new thread smell, enjoy it while it lasts.

Posted by: GMB at July 19, 2012 06:15 PM (kPe9l)

4 The one year runaway guarantee I mean. Geez who the hell wants any individual wife for much more than a year anyway?

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 19, 2012 06:16 PM (I2LwF)

5 Has anyone seen Bill Clinton?

If I could hazard a guess here, I would say he is in backwoods Arkansas somewhere sharpening some knives for someones back.

Posted by: GMB at July 19, 2012 06:17 PM (kPe9l)

6 This....is The Peoples' Rebublic of AnnArbor g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2012 06:18 PM (JMmQ9)

7 Are there leasing terms, or do you have to buy?

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 19, 2012 06:18 PM (SqoG9)

8 hot Australian hurdler

http://youtu.be/0cQIqinNYKw

Posted by: Jose at July 19, 2012 06:19 PM (srIqv)

9 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at July 19, 2012 06:20 PM (6o4Fb)

10 Is there a limit to the number of replacement wives?

What if the second on runs away?

Posted by: General Woundwort at July 19, 2012 06:21 PM (DWgdc)

11 Plus, China is a nation of men, a nation out of balance.

Posted by: ahem at July 19, 2012 06:21 PM (7bdKn)

12 George Macdonald Fraser, through the persona of Sir Harry Flashman, VC etc., said that the "rules of war in China seem to be if it moves, kill it; if it doesn't, burn it."

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 06:21 PM (vDl/w)

13 Bloodiest wars only claimed around 270 million people. Just think how many will succumb to climate change.

Posted by: JWF at July 19, 2012 06:23 PM (1l37M)

14 5 Has anyone seen Bill Clinton?

If I could hazard a guess here, I would say he is in backwoods Arkansas somewhere sharpening some knives for someones back.

Posted by: GMB at July 19, 2012 10:17 PM (kPe9l)

Nope, he is sucking Barkys tiny little cock.

Posted by: Killerdog at July 19, 2012 06:23 PM (CZrbJ)

15 I like that MSU football squad. I root for Sparty in the big 10+2.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 19, 2012 06:23 PM (2BJuW)

16 Can you imagine getting into a major conflict with this clown car administration in charge? With aircraft carriers running on fry cook oil?

Posted by: USS Diversity at July 19, 2012 06:25 PM (2d71t)

17 I've lost 18000 USD so far. I'm making out like a bandit.

Posted by: Craig Poe at July 19, 2012 06:26 PM (BVkEs)

18 And if Lewis Richardson got it right, we are getting near the due date for a 109 death conflict. Yep and our own SCoaMF CinC certainly is contributing to that possibility. With all the chaos occurring in the ME right now, God only knows how long it will be until Islamists get enough of a chem/bio/nuclear arsenal to launch the Third (and final?) Jihad. Also, China is *too* quiet. Mark Steyn said it the best when he wrote that the most opportune time for conflict is when it is no longer clear who is in charge. With both China and Russia (and their various allies) looking to bring down America a few pegs, with China and Russia both planning for a world where the US is very limited abroad, the next couple decades look worrisome in the conflict department.

Posted by: Kratos at July 19, 2012 06:27 PM (c1WVm)

19 hot Australian hurdler

I bet she tastes nice.

Posted by: Alex at July 19, 2012 06:27 PM (3+RPg)

20 And if Lewis Richardson got it right, we are getting near the statistical due date for a 10^9 death conflict. I can see this is going to be a lighthearted and mirthful ONT.

Posted by: rickl at July 19, 2012 06:27 PM (sdi6R)

21 The Animals cover of House of the Rising Sun was great as the score for the whacking scenes in Casino

http://tinyurl.com/bl47bya

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 06:28 PM (Y7XKa)

22
A man applying for a job with Customs and Border Patrol allegedly revealed that he had previously molested a two-year-old girl and committed bestiality during an interview. Cody Slaughter, 22, of Somerton, Arizona, was arrested after the admission to officials on July 2.

Customs and Border Patrol agents told the Yuma County Sheriff's Office that Slaughter had confessed to molesting a two-year-old girl when he was 14 during a pre-employment interview. He said he abused the little girl on one occasion but also admitted to having sexual interactions with a pig, a dog and a horse between 2004 and 2012 and having a history of drug abuse.

Slaughter's admission came after interviewers asked him a standard question about whether he had committed any unreported criminal acts.

daily mail

Funny thing is, he didn't get the job because he didn't know Powerpoint....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 19, 2012 06:28 PM (kdS6q)

23 17 Can you imagine getting into a major conflict with this clown car administrationin charge? With aircraft carriers running on fry cook oil?

Posted by: USS Diversity at July 19, 2012 10:25 PM (2d71t)

Don't worry, Barky is sucking the Mooch's cock!

Posted by: Killerdog at July 19, 2012 06:29 PM (CZrbJ)

24 The Animals video was great...from the standpoint that the entire band seemed to be bolted to the floor in order to not show any bodily emotion...can't have Ed Sullivan freaking out or anything.

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 06:30 PM (3lxx0)

25 Animals way better. That is some kick ass keyboard playin' right there.

Posted by: Milesdei at July 19, 2012 06:30 PM (1rm/+)

26 If you drive one of these cars, you might be one of Meggie Mac's ghey friends

http://tinyurl.com/7j9w38j

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 06:31 PM (Y7XKa)

27 ....With both China and Russia (and their various allies) looking to bring down America a few pegs, with China and Russia both planning for a world where the US is very limited abroad, the next couple decades look worrisome in the conflict department.

Posted by: Kratos at July 19, 2012 10:27 PM (c1WVm)

And I saw an army of 200,000,000 from China moving towards teh Middle East oil fields. Or something like that. - John the Mesmerized Revelator

Posted by: Craig Poe at July 19, 2012 06:32 PM (BVkEs)

28 22 And if Lewis Richardson got it right, we are getting near the statistical due date for a 10^9 death conflict.

I can see this is going to be a lighthearted and mirthful ONT.

Posted by: rickl at July 19, 2012 10:27 PM (sdi6R)

sorry....sometimes the ONT takes a not-so-happy-fun turn that even I didn't see coming.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 06:32 PM (pAlYe)

29 I can see this is going to be a lighthearted and mirthful ONT.
Yes. Awful, isn't it? But what does it matter? We're all going to be dead a billion years from now when the universe ends.
Oh, God, I'm so depressed.
:^(

Posted by: marvin the paranoid android at July 19, 2012 06:33 PM (vDl/w)

30 A man applying for a job with Customs and Border Patrol allegedly revealed that he had previously molested a two-year-old girl and committed bestiality during an interview. Cody Slaughter, 22, of Somerton, Arizona, was arrested after the admission to officials on July 2. Customs and Border Patrol agents told the Yuma County Sheriff's Office that Slaughter had confessed to molesting a two-year-old girl when he was 14 during a pre-employment interview. He said he abused the little girl on one occasion but also admitted to having sexual interactions with a pig, a dog and a horse between 2004 and 2012 and having a history of drug abuse. Slaughter's admission came after interviewers asked him a standard question about whether he had committed any unreported criminal acts. daily mail ...however, he starts his new position with the TSA on Monday.

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 06:33 PM (3lxx0)

31 Well, to be fair, if China does act up, it looks like the damage will be mostly self-inflicted.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 19, 2012 06:33 PM (T0NGe)

32 Taking off a very dirty sock.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 19, 2012 06:33 PM (xKC/c)

33 24.... Another wingnut Arizona sheriff strikes again. Arresting that person....he would have fit in perfectly at the TSA. I'm sure they're holding a spot for him.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 19, 2012 06:34 PM (Asr6U)

34 32...great minds.....

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 19, 2012 06:34 PM (Asr6U)

35 Amazing Grace is great when it's sung to the tune of House of the Rising Sun.

Posted by: Alex at July 19, 2012 06:34 PM (3+RPg)

36 China's one child policy with preference for sons has resulted in millions of young Chinese men who will never have a girlfriend

Pissed young men who can't get laid is not conductive to world peace, anti-war Kos Kidz notwithstanding

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 06:34 PM (Y7XKa)

37 "We need to be more like China."

Posted by: Barack Hop Sing Obama at July 19, 2012 06:35 PM (BVkEs)

38 >>>And I saw an army of 200,000,000 from China moving towards teh Middle East oil fields. Or something like that. - John the Mesmerized Revelator Revelation is my light reading material at night, along with Joel C Rosenberg's The Last Jihad series.

Posted by: Kratos at July 19, 2012 06:35 PM (c1WVm)

39 JW Foo in the house, yay. Who I root for: PAC-12: nobody. I wish they'd all forfeit their seasons every year. Big 12: ISU Big 10+2: Michigan State Big East: Syracuse ACC: Boston College, sometimes GA Tech, sometime Va Tech, never Miami SEC: Mississippi State WAC: Idaho Indepents: Navy (kills my dad tho), whoever is playing Notre Dame Sun Belt: Troy Mountain West: Wyoming MAC: Central Michigan and Temple C-USA: wtf? Nobody worth rooting for I think I'm forgetting two conferences...

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 19, 2012 06:35 PM (2BJuW)

40 ...well Damn Sockpuppet...am I congratulating myself or not...

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 06:35 PM (3lxx0)

41 I've always been partial to the hard rockin' House of the Rising Sun cover by Frijid Pink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mj8xrrcxYQ

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 19, 2012 06:36 PM (qYiIT)

42 My concern would be a China / Russia conflict, or a Sino Iranian conflict over Central Asia. Either would be very ugly...

Posted by: Alex at July 19, 2012 06:36 PM (3+RPg)

43 Pissed young men who can't get laid is not conductive to world peace, anti-war Kos Kidz notwithstanding>>
>
Tell me about it.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 19, 2012 06:36 PM (Asr6U)

44 Amazing Grace is great when it's sung to the tune of House of the Rising Sun. Posted by: Alex at July 19, 2012 10:34 PM It's even better when you sing it to the tune of the theme from Gilligan's Island

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2012 06:37 PM (JMmQ9)

45 I really don't understand cultures that don't value their children. They seem to be the ones that are open to genocide of various types more often than any other cultures. The Chinese [if it ain't a boy, kill it] and the Russians [we ran out of food so the baby went without] and even the Indians [dot not feather] tend to assume babies are pretty much on their own. If they live, so much the better, but if not... And eventually that disregard for life leads to the big stuff. That is one reason to fear the pro-abortion folks. The age of accommodation seems to rise every few years with them, and eventually it will be okay to perform retroactive abortions as well.

/rant off

Posted by: tcn at July 19, 2012 06:37 PM (eFcVx)

46 And I saw an army of 200,000,000 from China moving towards teh Middle East oil fields. Or something like that. - John the Mesmerized Revelator
Posted by: Craig Poe at July 19, 2012 10:32 PM

If I didn't see it in a pool of paraffin, it won't happen

Posted by: Nostradamus at July 19, 2012 06:37 PM (Y7XKa)

47 Col. Andy Tanner: ...The Russians need to take us in one piece, and that's why they're here. That's why they won't use nukes anymore; and we won't either, not on our own soil. The whole damn thing's pretty conventional now. Who knows? Maybe next week will be swords.

Darryl Bates: What started it?

Col. Andy Tanner: I don't know. Two toughest kids on the block, I guess. Sooner or later, they're gonna fight.

Jed Eckert: That simple, is it?

Col. Andy Tanner: Or maybe somebody just forget what it was like.

Jed Eckert: ...Well, who *is* on our side?

Col. Andy Tanner: Six hundred million screaming Chinamen.

Darryl Bates: Last I heard, there were a billion screaming Chinamen.

Col. Andy Tanner: There *were*.

Posted by: Mumbling Chinaman at July 19, 2012 06:37 PM (vjyZP)

48 Wait, who was talking about college football?

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 19, 2012 06:37 PM (2BJuW)

I was too young to see Eric Burden and the Animals in the 1960's, but I did see them in 1983 on a reunion tour.

Pretty good stuff.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at July 19, 2012 06:38 PM (sJTmU)

50 Here's another good version, especially towards the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPgVkPQYleA

Posted by: Ed Wood vs Godzilla at July 19, 2012 06:38 PM (pop1z)

51
If I didn't see it in a pool of paraffin, it won't happen

Posted by: Nostradamus at July 19, 2012 10:37 PM (Y7XKa)

If you pay me $5.95 a minute, I will tell you what is going to happen

Posted by: Miss Cleo at July 19, 2012 06:39 PM (vjyZP)

"World War II, Aggressor: Germany, Japan"

Uhh, I guess maybe someone slept through the lecture about a little piece of diplomatic trivia called Molotov-Ribbentrop?

Posted by: Zombie Shane at July 19, 2012 06:39 PM (Z2i+W)

53
It's even better when you sing it to the tune of the theme from Gilligan's Island

I save that for the OCS song.

Posted by: Alex at July 19, 2012 06:39 PM (3+RPg)

Do they have a return/exchange policy on them Vietnamese wives? I mean, what if you get a butt-ugly one with three teeth? Would they have to be returned in unused condition and in the original packaging?

You gotta check this stuff out before buying over the internet.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at July 19, 2012 06:41 PM (iYwUw)

55 So when did Richard Lewis start doing jokes about warfare death statistics? He's still not funny.

Posted by: wooga at July 19, 2012 06:41 PM (vjyZP)

56 "Amazing Grace is great when it's sung to the tune of House of the Rising Sun." Indeed. "That SAAAAAVED A WRE-ETCH LIKE ME!"

Posted by: Milesdei at July 19, 2012 06:42 PM (1rm/+)

57 Tanner: Thousands of scarecrows in Denver'd give anything for a mouthful of what you got. At night the pyres for the dead light up the sky.

Posted by: USS Diversity at July 19, 2012 06:42 PM (2d71t)

58 House of the Rising Sun...by the Ventures...this is cool too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83uAqm3hAKI&feature=related

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 06:42 PM (3lxx0)

59 If you play House of the Rising Sun backwards, it has a happy ending

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 06:42 PM (Y7XKa)

60 What a bunch of propaganda. Everyone knows that the US started WWII because of racism against Japan. Pearl Harbor was an inside job!

Posted by: Tom Hanks at July 19, 2012 06:42 PM (Asr6U)

61 Chinese civil war or war with India is more likely IMHO than a direct war against the West and especially the Americas. And why start a nuke war with the guys who owe you a crapload of money? That's my happy-face view to buoy the ONT's spirits.
8^)

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 06:43 PM (vDl/w)

62 WWI 15-65M ? that the best estimate?

Posted by: Terry at July 19, 2012 06:43 PM (Xn3nu)

63
Funny thing is, he didn't get the job because he didn't know Powerpoint....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 19, 2012 10:28 PM (kdS6q)

You're right, if only he'd confessed with a nicely packaged PP presentation we'd have never heard about this.

Posted by: someone at July 19, 2012 06:43 PM (bqjJT)

64 If you play House of the Rising Sun backwards, it has a happy ending
Woohoo! I get to ride a train and a new pair of blue jeans!!!

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 06:44 PM (vDl/w)

65 I've been watching this show Sullivan and Son for 45 minutes and I don't think I've even chuckled once.

Posted by: USS Diversity at July 19, 2012 06:44 PM (2d71t)

66 Regarding the thread earlier today about the Photo with Zero contest...

SNL, Stewart or any other "comedian" out there STILL can't find anything funny about this administration? The whole "wedding registration" thing should have been the final straw. Oh well..

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 19, 2012 06:45 PM (Asr6U)

67 There is a great copy of 'When I Was Young' by The Animals on youtube. Well worth the listen and watch. I'd post a link but this site flummoxes me.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 19, 2012 06:45 PM (cFNd/)

68 The last 4 PCs I've owned, various brands, have lasted on an average 14 months each. I swore I'd never do it, but I'm thinking of succumbing to the Cult of Apple. Any laptop recommendations?

Posted by: Ombudsman at July 19, 2012 06:46 PM (zXLtf)

69 As an ex Burger King employee, I knew some unscrupulous BK employees who did much worse than standing in tubs of lettuce. Mayo and ice do not look or taste the same to me anymore...

Posted by: Kratos at July 19, 2012 06:46 PM (c1WVm)

70 It's 15-65 million, Terry, because they've included the Spanish Flu epidemic in with WW1. I think the 15-million is just the wartime military deaths.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 06:47 PM (vDl/w)

71 Another song from the 60s with a cheerful ending

http://tinyurl.com/34tko6

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 06:49 PM (Y7XKa)

Unfortunately most of the genocide action in the last 20 years is happening in Africa. In the 70's and 80's it was Indo-china with the killing fields of Cambodia and Kampuchea.

Rwanda and the areas formerly known as the Congo have been bleeding profusely. 2 million Tutsi were killed in a few months (mostly from machetes, hoes, and the like), and I do not know how many Hutu in retaliation.

And the UN did jack-squat...

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2012 06:49 PM (9sUlj)

73 I saw Eric Burdon and the "New Animals" at some local block party. Me and some old drunk hippie kept screaming 'Sky Pilot" but they wouldn't play it.

Posted by: USS Diversity at July 19, 2012 06:50 PM (2d71t)

74 "Any [academic institution] that deliberately tries to destroy memories of the past is pretty much guaranteed to turn a country into bloody hellhole." Oh! The Humanities! [he sobbed while the departments move closer to becoming nothing but flames]

Posted by: derit at July 19, 2012 06:52 PM (ruiF1)

75 Go with the iPad 2 IMO. I actually do everything on the iPhone now, except for typing more than a page long document. Coupled with Google Docs, you don't need a desktop or laptop for much anymore.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 19, 2012 06:52 PM (I2LwF)

76 Another uplifting song from the 60s

http://tinyurl.com/cpkbrp9

Hippies sure were joy killing pricks, weren't they

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 06:53 PM (Y7XKa)

The last 4 PCs I've owned, various brands, have lasted on an average 14 months each.

Ive had 2. Both about 10 years each. Neither were Apple.

Posted by: Ronster at July 19, 2012 06:53 PM (xdTqU)

78 .....It's...medieval.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at July 19, 2012 06:53 PM (sJTmU)

79 And here's a Mark Knofler-Chet Atkins version of House of the Rising Sun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwJdQk0s8_o&feature=related

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 06:54 PM (pAlYe)

80 You cannot blame Alvarez for his lying about the Medal of Honor, we have a president with some circumspect creds himself, He probably thought it was the way of our people to lie, a cultural thing.

Posted by: Clemenza at July 19, 2012 06:54 PM (+SiV6)

Never give attitude to the person on the fast food intercom. I know people who do and I try to politely explain that you can't see them, and therefore can't see what horrifying things they may be doing to your food.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 19, 2012 06:54 PM (WfaIt)

82 Ombudsman...may I offer the cliche..."once you've gone Mac..." Anything in the MacBook Pro family should serve you well. The top of the line non-Retina display seems to have more serviceability than the Retina version if that's important. I got 5 years of use out of my last MacBooks before the hard drive died. I'm at 3+ on my current unit and still going.

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 06:54 PM (3lxx0)

83 Go listen to Revolution by the Beatles, and imagine being a lefty prick in those days. It must have burned their asses to hear that song.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 19, 2012 06:55 PM (I2LwF)

84 Rwanda and the areas formerly known as the Congo have been bleeding profusely.2 million Tutsi were killed in a few months (mostly from machetes, hoes, and the like), and I do not know how many Hutu in retaliation.

And the UN did jack-squat... Posted by: rd at July 19, 2012 10:49 PM

I don't know any Rwandans !!

Posted by: Max Durocher at July 19, 2012 06:55 PM (Y7XKa)

85 I can't remember who recommended the Toynbee tiles documentary but I watched it tonight and it's really fascinating.

I am also overly proud of myself for managing to get the case off an external drive and hooking it up to the drive dock and voila there's my data!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at July 19, 2012 06:56 PM (Gk3SS)

86 86 Go listen to Revolution by the Beatles, and imagine being a lefty prick in those days. It must have burned their asses to hear that song. Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 19, 2012 10:55 PM

Helter Skelter lit my fire!

Posted by: Charlie Manson at July 19, 2012 06:56 PM (Y7XKa)

87 And the UN did jack-squat...

Were there any child trafficking opportunities there?

Posted by: UN Peacekeeper at July 19, 2012 06:56 PM (lyStv)

"If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao,

You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow"

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 19, 2012 06:57 PM (cFNd/)

China's one child policy with preference for sons has resulted in millions of young Chinese men who will never have a girlfriend

Several countries over there have a skewed male/female ratio - India and Pakistan among them, I believe.

Lots of males with no prospects for wives - the weak ones will be turned into cannon fodder, no doubt.

If we're smart, we'll just leave them all alone until the dust settles....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 19, 2012 06:58 PM (P6H+d)

90 BTW, I think I've read that Vietnam was the first war where more troops were KIA than died of disease (wound-related or not). It might have been the Korean War but I'm sure the Norks and Red Chinese especially would still have been dying from disease at old-time rates.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 06:59 PM (vDl/w)

91 BTW, who commits bestiality during the job interview?! Wait till you're home to celebrate.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 07:00 PM (vDl/w)

92 Hola! Is this thing working?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at July 19, 2012 07:00 PM (XN0LR)

@24

Everyone knows Arizona doesn't like Democrats.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 19, 2012 07:01 PM (rZdDM)

94 ze Animals, ze are ze greatast...

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at July 19, 2012 07:02 PM (mIoJ0)

95 Rwanda and the areas formerly known as the Congo have been bleeding profusely.2 million Tutsi were killed in a few months (mostly from machetes, hoes, and the like), and I do not know how many Hutu in retaliation.

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2012 10:49 PMPosted by: rd at July 19, 2012 10:49 PM

And you throw a hissy fit because I offed one fat Angeleno

Posted by: Vincent at July 19, 2012 07:03 PM (Y7XKa)

96 70 The
last 4 PCs I've owned, various brands, have lasted on an average 14
months each. I swore I'd never do it, but I'm thinking of succumbing to
the Cult of Apple. Any laptop recommendations?

Posted by: Ombudsman at July 19, 2012 10:46 PM (zXLtf)

What brands have you gone with before? And what was the approximate price you paid on them if you remember?

Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2012 07:03 PM (GULKT)

It is rumored that John Lennon was fed-up with the left by 1980 and well...

http://tinyurl.com/6ee2pqa

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 19, 2012 07:03 PM (WfaIt)

98 Anything in the MacBook Pro family should serve you well. The top of the line non-Retina display seems to have more serviceability than the Retina version if that's important.

I got 5 years of use out of my last MacBooks before the hard drive died. I'm at 3+ on my current unit and still going.

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 10:54 PM (3lxx0)

Any learning curve between Windows 7 and Leopard (or whatever the Apple OS is these days)?

Posted by: Ombudsman at July 19, 2012 07:04 PM (zXLtf)

99 Somewhere on that list should be Mao. The first revolution and the cultural revolution killed over 40 million.

http://tinyurl.com/beg6s

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at July 19, 2012 07:05 PM (KZI7g)

100 Just remember: Ace had nothing to do with building this blog, and you sons of bitches are lucky to be road kill.

Posted by: Barack Obama at July 19, 2012 07:06 PM (BVkEs)

101 What brands have you gone with before? And what was the approximate price you paid on them if you remember?

Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2012 11:03 PM (GULKT)

Dell, Toshiba, Samsung. Don't remember prices, but I always max out processor and RAM

Posted by: Ombudsman at July 19, 2012 07:06 PM (zXLtf)

102 Speaking of that, I hope you bastards order a t shirt from willard.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at July 19, 2012 07:07 PM (KZI7g)

103 86 Go listen to Revolution by the Beatles, and imagine being a lefty prick in those days. It must have burned their asses to hear that song. On the single version, Lennon sang, "But when you talk about destruction Don't you know that you can count me out" Yet on the White Album version he added "in" after that, which must have made his position ambiguous.

Posted by: rickl at July 19, 2012 07:08 PM (sdi6R)

104

Eric Burdon was haut.

It's a shame he didn't have a microphone to hold in his hand and scream into, in those early vids.

That's what looks funny.

Although....I'm not sure that they were performing that 'live' in that video.

It doesn't really look like it.

I played that record to death, when I was a kid.

"Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood"....was also good.

Posted by: wheatie at July 19, 2012 07:09 PM (MbB0O)

105

Dell, Toshiba, Samsung. Don't remember prices, but I always max out processor and RAM

Posted by: Ombudsman at July 19, 2012 11:06 PM (zXLtf)

I've currently got an Acer from Walmart that is working fine.

Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2012 07:09 PM (GULKT)

106 Speaking of that, I hope you bastards order a t shirt from willard. Do you mean Willard as in "Mitt", or Willard as in "Fred Willard"? Inquiring minds, and all that crap

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2012 07:09 PM (JMmQ9)

107 My wide just admitted to me she reds ace,....for the articles. She doesn't even glance at the comments. Rino

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:10 PM (GE1+K)

108 I was born in the 60's, and find absolutely nothing appealing about it.

Posted by: Berserker at July 19, 2012 07:10 PM (FMbng)

109 If you went heavily into Syrian bonds, well, grab your ass.

Posted by: eman at July 19, 2012 07:11 PM (bbW7j)

110 @109

There is only ONE Willard. Willard the Winner.

Posted by: AoSHQ Romneybot director at July 19, 2012 07:11 PM (KZI7g)

111 My p.c.s have all lasted about 8 years each too. This one is 6 years old and I just upgraded the RAM to 4gbs. I think they've all been IBM and, now, a Lenovo.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 07:12 PM (vDl/w)

112 It's even better when you sing it to the tune of the theme from Gilligan's Island Meh. Gimme the Stairway to Gilligan's Island mashup any day of the week. http://tinyurl.com/367x35 'sup jackwagons

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 19, 2012 07:12 PM (Rhie+)

113 100 It is rumored that John Lennon was fed-up with the left by 1980 and well... I think that story is entirely plausible. He had a well-known penchant for tweaking authority, and being in the music business he certainly knew more than his share of smug, self-satisfied leftist pricks.

Posted by: rickl at July 19, 2012 07:12 PM (sdi6R)

114 We have an Acer from Walmart that the kids use; it has seen it's share of abuse and has been going strong for two+ years now. The kids are 12, 12, and 8 and they haven't broken it yet

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2012 07:12 PM (JMmQ9)

115 I wonder if ikdo, lampshade, lock and raykon will be destroyed on this thread.

Posted by: Full Pint at July 19, 2012 07:12 PM (7g1yh)

116
12 Plus, China is a nation of men, a nation out of balance.

I'm really worried it's gonna tip over.

Posted by: Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) at July 19, 2012 07:13 PM (7+pP9)

117 BTW, I think I've read that Vietnam was the first war where more troops were KIA than died of disease (wound-related or not). It might have been the Korean War but I'm sure the Norks and Red Chinese especially would still have been dying from disease at old-time rates. Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 10:59 PM (vDl/w) It was Korea. This tally is for American deaths, we don't count the bad guys

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 07:13 PM (rzSn3)

118 110 I was born in the 60's, and find absolutely nothing appealing about it.

Posted by: Berserker at July 19, 2012 11:10 PM (FMbng)

Maybe it's just not clear why, yet.

Good post.

Posted by: Craig Poe at July 19, 2012 07:15 PM (BVkEs)

119 hat brands have you gone with before? And what was the approximate price you paid on them if you remember? Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2012 11:03 PM (GULKT) Dell, Toshiba, Samsung. Don't remember prices, but I always max out processor and RAM Posted by: Ombudsman at July 19, 2012 11:06 PM (zXLtf) I just bought a couple of portables/netbooks from Lenovo. About 350-400 dollars for each. My computers rarely break - I still have my last 8 or so around.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 07:16 PM (rzSn3)

120 >>>118 I wonder if ikdo, lampshade, lock and raykon will be destroyed on this thread. *Peeks out from blind* Shhhhh! Don't spook 'em

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:16 PM (GE1+K)

121 I got my Google Nexus 7 today. meh.

It's fast, it's cheap ($199) but it has no HMDI slot, no flash, no SD card slot, only a front camera at 1.2 and it's seven inches.

Better than a Fire, which I also have, but not as good as a $189 Vizio 1008 tablet. 1008 has HMDI, TV remote, SD card, Flash, and is 8 inches. Camera and screen resolution are the same. Both have GPS which the Fire does not.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at July 19, 2012 07:16 PM (KZI7g)

122 110 I was born in the 60's, and find absolutely nothing appealing about it. I was born in 1958. There was that whole space thingy in the 60s. I remember playing hooky from school to watch Gemini launches, and my mom would even write me a note and everything. I had a tendency to get sick whenever a launch was scheduled.

Posted by: rickl at July 19, 2012 07:17 PM (sdi6R)

123 Lennon was living in NYC to escape British tax rates. If he had lived, by 1984 he'd be touring for Reagan.

Posted by: eman at July 19, 2012 07:17 PM (bbW7j)

124 Watching Top Gear. What a bunch of wanking tossers. Bitch, piss and moan about American cars and then go wobbly over a Peugot????

Whats up roonz and roonettez???

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 07:18 PM (yh0zB)

125 Are you kidding? China will war against Israel...and lose.

Posted by: Herpglerble at July 19, 2012 07:18 PM (Rilbs)

126 120 BTW, I think I've read that Vietnam was the first war where more troops were KIA than died of disease (wound-related or not). It might have been the Korean War but I'm sure the Norks and Red Chinese especially would still have been dying from disease at old-time rates.
Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 10:59 PM (vDl/w)

I think you all are both wrong. Spanish American War. Highest percentage, obviously not the raw numbers, of soldiers died of Yellow fever and Malaria.

Posted by: Billy Bob, ps at July 19, 2012 07:19 PM (KZI7g)

127 Ombuds -

Every laptop I've bought with my own money has been a Thinkpad.

I've bought three in the past 15 years. The last one went 7 years before I just needed more CPU than it had. It still runs.

Nice thing about PC's is they are much easier to upgrade things like hard drives in.

Posted by: brian at July 19, 2012 07:19 PM (y05cf)

128 I was 10 in 1968. That was an interesting year, for sure. However, the center held.

Posted by: eman at July 19, 2012 07:20 PM (bbW7j)

129 I think you all are both wrong. Spanish American War. Highest percentage, obviously not the raw numbers, of soldiers died of Yellow fever and Malaria. Posted by: Billy Bob, ps at July 19, 2012 11:19 PM (KZI7g) All wars before Korea had more deaths by disease than by battle wounds. Neither of us said the reverse.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 07:21 PM (rzSn3)

130 >>> then go wobbly over a Peugot???? Classic European mindset; pretending something small with a curved shank in it compares with displacement and thumping power.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:21 PM (GE1+K)

131
Who can tell me what happened August 9, 1974. (Hint--it was a momentous occurrance ).

And where were you?

Posted by: irongrampa at July 19, 2012 07:21 PM (SAMxH)

132 @132

Children. Vic and I had already gotten our first piece of ass by 68.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at July 19, 2012 07:21 PM (KZI7g)

133 Somewhere on that list should be Mao. The first revolution and the cultural revolution killed over 40 million. http://tinyurl.com/beg6s Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at July 19, 2012 11:05 PM (KZI7g) Damn, that's one BIG Egg Foo Young. Enough to feed EVERYONE!

Posted by: Anita Dunn at July 19, 2012 07:22 PM (Rhie+)

134 That new Wendy's chick is teh hottness. Just saying.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 07:23 PM (yh0zB)

135 Dell, Toshiba, Samsung. Don't remember prices, but I always max out processor and RAM

Posted by: Ombudsman at July 19, 2012 11:06 PM (zXLtf)

Ombudsman - another hearty thumbs-up for the Lenovo / IBM Thinkpad T-Series.

Posted by: Steck at July 19, 2012 07:23 PM (RL7U1)

136

136...Nixon resigned.

I was in school.

Posted by: wheatie at July 19, 2012 07:23 PM (MbB0O)

137 omewhere on that list should be Mao. The first revolution and the cultural revolution killed over 40 million. http://tinyurl.com/beg6s Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at July 19, 2012 11:05 PM (KZI7g) Wars assume someone is fighting back. Communist states exterminating their people make that impossible.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 07:23 PM (rzSn3)

138 Who can tell me what happened August 9, 1974. (Hint--it was a momentous occurrance ). And where were you? Posted by: irongrampa at July 19, 2012 11:21 PM (SAMxH) Nixon resigned. I was at the beach.

Posted by: eman at July 19, 2012 07:24 PM (bbW7j)

139 Okay, had to slide on down and do this. Sorry if someone beat me to it; But if you go carryin' pictures of chairman Mao You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow

Posted by: teej at July 19, 2012 07:24 PM (8xOfO)

140 >>>Children. Vic and I had already gotten our first piece of ass by 68. Oh the codger section voices in. What's it like only being able to remember a piece of ass?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:25 PM (GE1+K)

141 Any learning curve between Windows 7 and Leopard (or whatever the Apple OS is these days)? I've found the OS more intuitive...another cliche...but when I've hit the "how do you do X" question, a quick Google search has tended to get me right back on track. The thing I like the most is that for the most part the OS takes fewer "clicks" to do what I want without pop-ups asking me it that's what I really want to do. I also like how it freaks me out when I download a program on my iPhone and it shows up on my iPad...and when I turn on Apple TV I can play everything from my other devices, the painless connections between all my Apple items without trying to find the right drivers and multiple screens of clicking this and downloading that are a dream come true.

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 07:25 PM (3lxx0)

142 Elvis kicked off in 77, so it must have been Tricky Dick resigning. I had just turned eight the week before, whatever it was.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 07:25 PM (yh0zB)

143

116

I think it might be somewhere along the lines of "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

Some hippies sought their own kind of "liberty" (call it libertine I guess). Then there were others who were hard left wing authoritarians at heart who just didn't like the people who happened to be in charge at the time.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 19, 2012 07:26 PM (WfaIt)

144

Peugots are nice little cars, if you live in France and have a mechanic that can fix them.

Things you notice when you travel.

You will see BMW's, Mercedes Benzes, Audis, VW's, Hondas,Toyotas, Nissans, Lexus and Infinitis everywhere in the world (including Beijing). You will rarely see a Peugot outside of France, and that even means other parts of Western Europe.

I even saw Chrysler cars in Paris ( a Viper and a PT Cruiser were at a light together) . But you won't see a Renault or Peugot in the US, hardly at all. Ever.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at July 19, 2012 07:26 PM (sJTmU)

145 Rumor has it that the Peugeot has an annoying tendency to surrender at red lights. No it digs in on red. It refuses to advance and surrenders on green.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:26 PM (GE1+K)

146 Leftists who hate Israel can rejoice; their efforts at securing the release of a Gitmo detainee and their subsequent lionizing of him allowed him to murder five Israelis in the bombing Wednesday in Burgas, Bulgarian. The bomber has been identified as Mehdi Ghezali, who was detained at Gitmo Bay in Cuba from 2002 to 2004. According to Wikileaks documents, Ghazali was Â“uncooperative, unforthcoming and deceptive during interrogations.Â” His father had met with Abdolrahman Barzanjee, an Al Qaeda associate and possible Ansar Al-Islam coordinator for Europe (Ansar Al-Islam is a group of Sunni Muslims trying to turn Iraq into an Islamist state), and Ghazali was friends with a Swedish operative who was a close associate of Abu Zubadayah, a high-ranking official with Al Qaeda. Ghazali, who was a Swedish citizen, was visited by members of the Swedish government frequently while he was in custody at Gitmo, and the Swedish media played up his incarceration. While Ghezali was detained at Gitmo, he was featured in the documentary Gitmo Â– The New Rules of War, a film that savaged Guantanamo Bay detention camp by film directors Erik Gandini and Tarik Saleh. In February of 2004, Ghazali was reassessed and regarded as an enemy combatant who had gone to Afghanistan to support the Taliban, but although Gitmo concluded that he was a Â“medium risk, as he may possibly pose a threat to the US its interests and allies,Â” the decision to release him to Sweden followed: Â“Recommendation: JTF Gitmo recommends that this detainee be transferred to the control of another country for continued detention.Â” He was released to Sweden on July 8, 2004. And guess how much he meant to the Swedish? He was flown home to Sweden by the Swedish Air Force on a Gulfstream IV jet, at the expense of the Swedish government. Ghazali joined a July 4, 2006 demonstration held outside the U.S. Embassy in Stockholm, Sweden calling for the closure of the Guantanamo Bay facility. But the liberal Swedes werenÂ’t done with nurturing Ghazali yet. He was arrested in September of 2009 in Punjab, Pakistan, on suspicions of having ties to al-Qaeda; Pakistani police chief Mohammad Rizwan described Ghezali as "a very dangerous man". But the Swedish newspaper The Local described his actions as "a harmless meeting with a Muslim revivalist movement, Tablighi Jamaat." One month later, Ghezali was released to Sweden. The Swedish Ambassador even accompanied him on the flight home. With all the help Ghezali received from the liberal media and liberal governments, itÂ’s obvious they have blood on their hands. But the blood is Israeli, so donÂ’t expect the Left to shed a single tear. This should make a good thread tomorrow

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2012 07:28 PM (05RcU)

147 @oldcat...hat brands have you gone with before? And what was the approximate price you paid on them if you remember? Bailey, about $65 http://www.baileyhats.com/

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 07:28 PM (3lxx0)

148 In the past twenty years, I've had three computers: a NEC 486SX100 box running Windows 3.1; a Dell 4550 something with XP; and my current HP laptop running 7. I just got the HP laptop in December '11. YMMV, but it looks like I get about 10 years out of a desktop PC. BTW? The 1992 vintage NEC, and the 2002 vintage Dell are both still fully operational. Ever hear of someone using a 10-year old mac?

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2012 07:29 PM (JMmQ9)

149 136 Who can tell me what happened August 9, 1974. (Hint--it was a momentous occurrance ). And where were you? According to Wikipedia, he gave a televised speech the prior evening announcing his resignation. I was at a chess club, and my dad called me and held the phone up to the TV so I could hear some of it. That would have been Thursday night, which sounds about right.

Posted by: rickl at July 19, 2012 07:30 PM (sdi6R)

150

Ghezali

Find him. Fix him in place. Kill him.

No regrets, no remorse, no hesitation.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at July 19, 2012 07:30 PM (sJTmU)

151 My wide just admitted to me she reds ace,....for the articles. She doesn't even glance at the comments. reds...is that some sort of code that I should know about?

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 07:30 PM (3lxx0)

152
Yep, Nixon resigned. What struck me was that life went on with no disturbance, even though the head of the most powerful country on the planet quit.

There aren't many other places that can boast that.

But we aren't exceptional, or anything.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 19, 2012 07:30 PM (SAMxH)

153 Highest percentage, obviously not the raw numbers, of soldiers died of Yellow fever and Malaria.
Yes, that's the point. More soldiers died of disease either from infected wounds or ordinary diseases like cholera than were killed in combat until (IIRecalledC) Vietnam where more troops were killed on both sides directly from combat than died from disease.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 07:30 PM (vDl/w)

154

149

I was six in 1977. I remember sitting on the floor of my grandparents den watching TV when Elvis' death was announced. Weird thing about it is my Mom was driving into town to see me and when she opened the door her mother said "you'll never guess who died". My Mom said "Oh Mother, I know". To this day, my Mom swears she'd heard nothing about it up to that point. Just a coincidence, but my Mom was born on January 8, 1935.

So was Elvis.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 19, 2012 07:31 PM (WfaIt)

155 >>>reds...is that some sort of code that I should know about? Soft keyboard on my f* king iPad

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:31 PM (GE1+K)

156 P.S.
Oh, and it was Korea and not Vietnam. Thanks for the information; I'll try to remember it properly next time.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 07:31 PM (vDl/w)

157 147 >>>Children. Vic and I had already gotten our first piece of ass by 68.

Oh the codger section voices in. What's it like only being able to remember a piece of ass?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 11:25 PM (GE1+K)

What? Glass, yes I have a glass.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at July 19, 2012 07:32 PM (KZI7g)

158 74 - I was wearing green. Still thank the stars I never saw the jungle. Scared shirtless in late 73. Anyone know why?

Posted by: teej at July 19, 2012 07:33 PM (0SHei)

159 While it stolen valor may be covered under the 1st amendment, there are other ways t get the bastards.

Make it a serious crime to misuse/misappropriate military insignia/medals.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 19, 2012 07:33 PM (piMMO)

160 Ghezali Find him. Fix him in place. Kill him. No regrets, no remorse, no hesitation. Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at July 19, 2012 11:30 PM (sJTmU) To late. He already killed at least 7 people. Anyway he is dead now

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2012 07:33 PM (05RcU)

161 @147

Oh ass, yes I've remember being one.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at July 19, 2012 07:33 PM (KZI7g)

162 And I remember that 1977 was when Elvis died because I was with my mom, an aunt and my aunt's friend on holiday in London for a week (when he died) and then onto Ireland for another two weeks.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 07:35 PM (vDl/w)

163 I>>>>Find him. Fix him in place. Kill him. He's no longer centrally located. Fixing him in place would be difficult.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:36 PM (GE1+K)

164 With aircraft carriers running on fry cook oil?

Posted by: USS Diversity at July 19, 2012 10:25 PM (2d71t)

Nah, aircracft carriers are nukes. The airplanes run on fry cook oil (which oddly enough burns almost like diesel, and JP5 is just a more-refined form of diesel).

According to kbdabear I am a lesbian.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 07:37 PM (yh0zB)

165 Gosh, it's almost as if Woodie Guthrie was completely devoid of musical talent and was only a thing because he was a dirty, filthy commie. Almost. But that can't be because that's not how media works.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 19, 2012 07:37 PM (nZvGM)

166
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2012 11:28 PM (05RcU)

The return key is your friend.

1) To avoid weird formatting (eg. breaks in the middle of a line and hidden HTML code) copy everything into MS notepad first, clean up any unwanted line breaks and then cut or copy it from there into the comment box.

2) For italics, bold, strike through and underline, do a search for BBCode and follow the instructions. Use brackets: [ ] instead of sideways carets: < >. Italics, bold, strike through and underline are the only codes accepted here. The commands for them are i, b, s and u, respectively.

3) The URL box (above the comments box) will accept just about any URL except TinyUrls. It probably will kick out other shortened URLs too, however, because I've never tried any other shortened URLs in the box I really don't know. Anything in the URL box that contains HTML coding will be rejected.

4) The name box will only accept names, do not try using HTML code in it.

Posted by: Guy with Burned Out Eyes at July 19, 2012 07:37 PM (7+pP9)

167 Can I watch you make out with that engine?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:39 PM (GE1+K)

168

156

Have you ever seen the footage of RMN clowning around with the camera crew before he gave that speech? He told a joke about getting caught picking his nose.

I liked him. I still do.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 19, 2012 07:39 PM (WfaIt)

169 #158...your "wide"? And you're not in the doghouse? I keed, I keed.

Posted by: Herpglerble at July 19, 2012 07:40 PM (Rilbs)

170 Hot summer night in middle america - the night Nixon gave his resignation speech I was at an American Legion Baseball game with my friends. I think we went cruising the main street after.

Posted by: someone at July 19, 2012 07:40 PM (bqjJT)

171 oldcat...hat brands have you gone with before? And what was the approximate price you paid on them if you remember? Bailey, about $65 http://www.baileyhats.com/ Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 11:28 PM (3lxx0) I bought a Lenovo all in one desktop the year before for about 700 dollars. My portable before that was a touchscreen tablet so its was more pricey - 1100 or so My desktop before that was a Dell. Price point about 800. My portable before that was a PC Club - about the same. .... About 5 years ago I figured that about 1000 was where you were starting to get vanity pricing kicking in. Now it seems to be a bit less than that. My All in One Desktop cost a bit more because I got the touch screen feature. I have used it about three times in the year or so I have it. It has like a 22 inch screen though. These days I'd say the price point is below 500 for portables. Unless you want a 17 inch portable screen or something. But if you can't carry a portable about you might as well get a desktop and have a huge screen for just a bit more. As you can see, I have been happy with Lenovo for about 5 or 6 years now. I used to like Dell, but had a bit of a bad buying experience and the quality edge seemed to have left them about then.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 07:40 PM (rzSn3)

172 my mom would love that story reggie I am a year older than you but don't have any recollection of Elvis' death and my mom LOVED Elvis I think she is one of the ones who are "in denial" on that . . . Bubba Ho-Tep addressed this, I think it was like a documentary

Posted by: BlackOrchidPinesForDagny at July 19, 2012 07:40 PM (J6kXj)

173 I was there when Elvis died.

(too soon?)

Posted by: Mr Hanky at July 19, 2012 07:41 PM (BVkEs)

174 Did I mention the damnable soft keyboard And auocorrect?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:41 PM (GE1+K)

175 Italics, bold, strike through and underline are the only codes accepted here. The commands for them are i, b, s and u, respectively. The astute reader will note that there is no sub-text. Or ampersands. &

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2012 07:41 PM (JMmQ9)

176 Guy with Burned Out Eyes...both myself and Johnny Depp playing Sands from Once upon a time in Mexico (the putrid third in the El Mariachi series) salute you.

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 07:42 PM (3lxx0)

177 &&&&&&&& One thing my iPad is good for &&&&&&&&

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:43 PM (GE1+K)

178 Ref the bloody wars. Ok but it seems sad that War of the Triple Alliance (1864-1870) can't make the list. The body count isn't close to high enough but on percentage of the population killed (losing side) it was very impressive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War The highest estimate has about 90% of Paraguay's male population getting killed off. Other estimates, while lower, are all well over 50%. On the other hand, Paraguay hasn't started any wars since then...

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at July 19, 2012 07:43 PM (d9tUw)

179 I just got back from the shore - what did I miss? also please explain how all the Jerseyites I talked to at the beach were Dems, still lovin the Fat Man, totally pissed at the SCOAMF, and yet NJ is out of reach in November? I have my doubts. Seriously! Had a great time - no wifi! no news. no nothin but sun and sand and complaining about the dunes

Posted by: BlackOrchidPinesForDagny at July 19, 2012 07:44 PM (J6kXj)

180
About 5 years ago I figured that about 1000 was where you were starting to get vanity pricing kicking in. Now it seems to be a bit less than that.

My All in One Desktop cost a bit more because I got the touch screen feature. I have used it about three times in the year or so I have it. It has like a 22 inch screen though.

These days I'd say the price point is below 500 for portables. Unless you want a 17 inch portable screen or something. But if you can't carry a portable about you might as well get a desktop and have a huge screen for just a bit more.

As you can see, I have been happy with Lenovo for about 5 or 6 years now. I used to like Dell, but had a bit of a bad buying experience and the quality edge seemed to have left them about then.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 11:40 PM (rzSn3)

Yeah unless you're looking to play heavy duty video games or need to run some other graphics heavy software you should have no problem getting a complete desktop for under 1000. And right about 500 is pretty good on the laptop too

Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2012 07:44 PM (GULKT)

181 90% make die off? The 10% left must have been exhausted.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:44 PM (GE1+K)

182 And those commands are done in brackets [ ] and not the pointy things < >.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 07:45 PM (vDl/w)

183 Seriously - How hard would it be for the chicoms to simply...take over the entire west coast of America? 1. invade Seatlle with overwhelming force(s) 2. split some of those forces of to Portland 3. split the NW part of country via the Columbia River 4. while US responds to NW USA invade (again w/ overwhelming manpower and firepower) take over SF + LA + SD. Hold west coast hostage for billions owed to chicom govt...watch as obama makes a deal w/ chicoms The End

Posted by: acme shelving unit at July 19, 2012 07:45 PM (xotMI)

184 >>>Yeah unless you're looking to play heavy duty video games or need to run some other graphics heavy software you should have no problem getting a complete desktop for under 1000. And right about 500 is pretty good on the laptop too If you don't play video games I don't see why you would own a desktop

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:46 PM (GE1+K)

185 It's my son's 8th birthday tomorrow...taking him to buy his first bow...wish me luck.

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 07:46 PM (3lxx0)

186

I wonder if Eric Holder had anything to do with Ghezali getting released from Gitmo....

Holder and his firm, worked as defense council for a lot of the Gitmo prisoners.

Posted by: wheatie at July 19, 2012 07:46 PM (MbB0O)

187 Seriously - How hard would it be for the chicoms to simply...take over the entire west coast of America? 1. invade Seatlle with overwhelming force(s) 2. split some of those forces of to Portland 3. split the NW part of country via the Columbia River 4. while US responds to NW USA invade (again w/ overwhelming manpower and firepower) take over SF + LA + SD. Hold west coast hostage for billions owed to chicom govt...watch as obama makes a deal w/ chicoms The End Posted by: acme shelving unit at July 19, 2012 11:45 PM (xotMI) Its one thing to have a big army, another thing entirely to get them across a bleeding ocean and a third thing to get them resupplied once you do. The Chicoms only have about half of step one.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 07:47 PM (rzSn3)

188 I've used bows a lot too, Brian. Are you taking him to Saudi Arabia or Japan?

Posted by: president o'bumbles at July 19, 2012 07:48 PM (vDl/w)

189 >>>The highest estimate has about 90% of Paraguay's male population getting killed off With 9 out of every ten dudes dead I could actually say it with a straight face Honey it's for he good of mankind.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:48 PM (GE1+K)

190 190 Seriously - How hard would it be for the chicoms to simply...take over the entire west coast of America? 1. invade Seatlle with overwhelming force(s) 2. split some of those forces of to Portland 3. split the NW part of country via the Columbia River 4. while US responds to NW USA invade (again w/ overwhelming manpower and firepower) take over SF + LA + SD.

Hold west coast hostage for billions owed to chicom govt...watch as obama makes a deal w/ chicoms

The End

Posted by: acme shelving unit at July 19, 2012 11:45 PM (xotMI)

Sound like good plan to me Mr. Cartwright.

Posted by: Barack Hopsing Obama at July 19, 2012 07:49 PM (BVkEs)

191 &

Posted by: rickl at July 19, 2012 07:49 PM (sdi6R)

192 Seriously - How hard would it be for the chicoms to simply...take over the entire west coast of America? 1. invade Seatlle with overwhelming force(s) 2. split some of those forces of to Portland 3. split the NW part of country via the Columbia River 4. while US responds to NW USA invade (again w/ overwhelming manpower and firepower) take over SF + LA + SD. ...nah, they'd stop at Starbucks, check in with Amazon and Microsoft, swing by Nike and say...hey...thanks for your support.

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 07:49 PM (3lxx0)

193 190, do we have to ask nicely

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 07:50 PM (0D0qx)

194 @194 - yep. And then welcome to America. A rifle behind every blade of grass.

Posted by: teej at July 19, 2012 07:50 PM (0SHei)

195 I've used bows a lot too, Brian. Are you taking him to Saudi Arabia or Japan? FTW (if taken in context)

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2012 07:50 PM (JMmQ9)

196 >>>Seriously - How hard would it be for the chicoms to simply...take over the entire west coast of America? 1. invade Seatlle with overwhelming Are they going to swim or walk over the bearing straight?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 07:50 PM (GE1+K)

197 Fuck off.

Posted by: twoslaps at July 19, 2012 07:50 PM (WB7gF)

198 198 Heh. So Macs are good for something.

Posted by: rickl at July 19, 2012 07:50 PM (sdi6R)

199 Lead Belly wrote the original House of the Rising Sun but he had a totally different tune and meter.
http://youtu.be/y5tOpyipNJs
The Animals version is really the best, and its probably the last "everyone can sing along with it around the piano" song in popular culture. What do you think we'll be singing when we're 86 at the old folks home, Justin Bieber? It will be those folk songs from the 60s, if anything.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 07:51 PM (r4wIV)

200 @ obumbles...why do you think we're buying more arms?

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 07:51 PM (3lxx0)

201

179

Here's another story about Elvis. My Aunt from Mississippi went to see him in concert in about 1973. Somehow she managed to get front row tickets. During the concerts he approached some women in the front row, embraced them, and kissed them in the mouth. My Aunt was one of them. He took a scarf she was wearing off and put it around his neck, and gave her a blue scarf he was wearing. He then gave her back her scarf but let her keep his.

She told two girlfriends about this and they begged her to let them borrow the scarf. My Aunt then showed me the scarf. I looked at it and it had a square piece cut out of the corner. I asked her why that was. She said that when the two girls gave her back the scarf, it had a piece bitten out of it.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 19, 2012 07:52 PM (WfaIt)

202 Bow (from the waist); bow (a hunting weapon).

Bow-wow (lunch).

Posted by: president o'bumbles at July 19, 2012 07:52 PM (vDl/w)

203 "Seriously - How hard would it be for the chicoms to simply...take over the entire west coast of America?"
You've never been to Oregon have you? We have more guns in this state than the Chinese army. Its only a century or so ago when we were shooting each other in the streets of Astoria.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 07:52 PM (r4wIV)

204
The astute reader will note that there is no sub-text.

Or ampersands. &

But I'm the only one who can summon superscript:

3Â² = 9

Try that, bitchez.

Posted by: BB Code Master at July 19, 2012 07:53 PM (7+pP9)

205 The Taiping Rebellion is the greatest. Cause it was started by a Chinese dude who became convinced he was the brother of Jesus Christ and who finally defeated by an American soldier of fortune dude who'd been put in charge of the Chinese army. It's all sorts of craziness, but it happened at the same time as our Civil War so we know nothing about it even though the China war was way, way bloodier.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 19, 2012 07:53 PM (ZPrif)

206 Left half-nut bigger than all your balls.

Posted by: twoslaps at July 19, 2012 07:53 PM (WB7gF)

207 re 194 - easy...again, it is all done with the APPROVAL AND HELP of the current "administration"

Posted by: acme shelving unit at July 19, 2012 07:53 PM (xotMI)

208 I've used bows a lot too, Brian. Are you taking him to Saudi Arabia or Japan? FTW (if taken in context) Agreed...and isn't is scary that my little guy knows that in those cultures you only bow to those below you.

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 07:54 PM (3lxx0)

209 But I'm the only one who can summon superscript: Help us, Obi Wan. You're our only hope.

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2012 07:54 PM (JMmQ9)

210 Plus, along the entire west coast of Oregon and Northern California are guys who take the song "Copperhead Road" as a way of life. There are parts of Oregon that would never, ever be taken.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 07:55 PM (r4wIV)

211 Also, lots of gangsters in West Linn, Oregon. No way the Chicoms could handle the mean streets of West Linn. No goddamn way.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 19, 2012 07:55 PM (ZPrif)

212 Remember how cool radio was in the 60's. You might hear the Beatles one song and Smokey Robinson the next. Followed by Zeppelin and then the Temptations.

Posted by: teej at July 19, 2012 07:55 PM (vzfrq)

213 I seem to recall a woman on the US Antiques Roadshow who had an Elvis scarf, Reggie. Maybe your aunt could make some bucks if she's got some corroborating evidence of being at the concert like that. Maybe ticket stubs and/or autograph?

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 07:56 PM (vDl/w)

214 "Seriously - How hard would it be for the chicoms to simply...take over the entire west coast of America?" You've never been to Oregon have you? We have more guns in this state than the Chinese army. Its only a century or so ago when we were shooting each other in the streets of Astoria. Yeah...but then you let in the Hippies...

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 07:56 PM (3lxx0)

215 re 194 - easy...again, it is all done with the APPROVAL AND HELP of the current "administration" Posted by: acme shelving unit at July 19, 2012 11:53 PM (xotMI) The current administration can't organize shit. The Chinese couldn't do it. They have no navy or merchant marine. This is the real world, not frickin Risk. And even Risk makes you go through Alaska.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 07:56 PM (rzSn3)

216 Brian in BC - I'm surprised nobody has asked the most important question yet - longbow or crossbow?

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 19, 2012 07:56 PM (czZib)

217 Yeah...but then you let in the Hippies... Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 11:56 PM (3lxx0) Well, you need something to shoot AT

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 07:56 PM (rzSn3)

218 We keep the hippies in Oregon in colonies: Eugene and Portland. The bulk of the state is cowboy country, and if you think Texas and Wyoming are the only cowboy states, you've never been to the Pendleton Rodeo.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 07:57 PM (r4wIV)

219 1. invade Seatlle with overwhelming force(s)

There's your problem right there.

Posted by: some mechanic chewing gum and pointing out your missing cylinder head at July 19, 2012 07:57 PM (eRN1V)

220 Holy Cow Flatbush...I know West Linn...

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 07:58 PM (3lxx0)

221
I can't imagine the logistics involved for an invasion of that magnitude. Not a likely scenario.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 19, 2012 07:58 PM (SAMxH)

222 American dude? I don't think so, old chap. Bit too much Valu-Rite tonight, old bean? That's alright, old fellow. Nothing wrong with a touch of the medicinal.

Posted by: zombie charles 'chinese' gordon at July 19, 2012 07:59 PM (vDl/w)

223 people pleaze - just a scenario. am not no way in hell advocatin this, and we (us all here) know better and always hope for the best, BUT...could it happen? who the hell can say...what kind of deals the cretins in office have cooked up? BTW: me - 12G s/s + .410 s/s + 2 x 9mm + 1x .22 + 1x .44 mag lever action + one .36 cal cap n ball "navy" revolver...and I live in So Cal

Posted by: acme shelving unit at July 19, 2012 08:00 PM (xotMI)

224 @St Patrick...recurve...goin' with the recurve... @Christopher Taylor...other than owing me a keyboard, can I help it that I have family in the colonies?

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 08:00 PM (3lxx0)

225 "I can't imagine the logistics involved for an invasion of that magnitude."
I doubt its even possible to plan let alone carry out. Especially with Chinese tech and leadership. They're even more corrupt and screwed up than the Russians were. From the local dog catcher up to the Premier, corruption isn't just a part of the job, its the job description. It has been a strict part of their culture for thousands of years, its simply expected. That's no way to run a war, let alone supply one.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:00 PM (r4wIV)

226 I can't imagine the logistics involved for an invasion of that magnitude. Not a likely scenario. Posted by: irongrampa at July 19, 2012 11:58 PM (SAMxH) I have an old paper wargame "Invasion America" from the 70s that has the whole world invading America - Asia from the West, South America up the bottom, Russians in Hovercraft out of Cuba. Pretty fun, but the Terrain in the West was just hell for the Chinese.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:01 PM (rzSn3)

227 Only way this country will ever be defeated without WMD is from within.

Posted by: teej at July 19, 2012 08:01 PM (vzfrq)

228 >>>California are guys who take the song "Copperhead Road" as a way of life. *sniff* thanks there aren't very many of us left but we are still here

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 08:01 PM (GE1+K)

229 Ukraine is weak!

Posted by: cosmo kramer at July 19, 2012 08:01 PM (vDl/w)

230 West Linn, Oregon is filled almost entirely with gangsters. Pound for pound, the most violent streets in America. The mean streets of West Linn, Oregon would chew up the Chinese and spit em out. They'd castrate the Chicoms one 4-inch dick at a time.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 19, 2012 08:02 PM (ZPrif)

231 BUT...could it happen?

No.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 19, 2012 08:02 PM (eRN1V)

232 one .36 cal cap n ball "navy" revolver
Cool.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 08:03 PM (vDl/w)

233 @acme...yeah...but do you have enough to feed the family? Exhibit 987 on why I love my wife, after reviewing a film on current events asks the following question: "how much ammo do we have? I think we need more." Sorry folks. she's taken!

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 08:04 PM (3lxx0)

234 I just got back from the shore - what did I miss?

also please explain how all the Jerseyites I talked to at the beach were Dems, still lovin the Fat Man, totally pissed at the SCOAMF, and yet NJ is out of reach in November?

I have my doubts. Seriously!

Had a great time - no wifi! no news. no nothin but sun and sand and complaining about the dunes

Posted by: BlackOrchidPinesForDagny at July 19, 2012 11:44 PM

Probably depends on what beach you were on.

Posted by: Berserker at July 19, 2012 08:04 PM (FMbng)

235 There are parts of Seattle that are flat out terrifying, with Asian gangs. I wouldn't even drive through there without an armed escort. I'm reminded of the bit in Casablanca:
Major Strasser: Are you one of those people who cannot imagine the Germans in their beloved Paris?
Rick: It's not particularly my beloved Paris.
Heinz: Can you imagine us in London?
Rick: When you get there, ask me!
Captain Renault: Hmmh! Diplomatist!
Major Strasser: How about New York?
Rick: Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade.
America is a fortress, it just doesn't look like one.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:04 PM (r4wIV)

236

"Seriously - How hard would it be for the chicoms to simply...take over
the entire west coast of America?"

We've got submarines parked not too far from their coast that would give them a very bad day.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 19, 2012 08:04 PM (WfaIt)

237 Re. "Invasion America": Was Canada on the good guys' side or with the invaders? Or was English Canada on the good side and Quebec helping the invasion?

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 08:05 PM (vDl/w)

238 people pleaze - just a scenario. am not no way in hell advocatin this, and we (us all here) know better and always hope for the best, BUT...could it happen? who the hell can say...what kind of deals the cretins in office have cooked up? ----------------------------------- Even if the Admin wanted to, about thirty seconds after the shit hits the fan the Navy wakes up and massacres any Chinese not actually in a Chinese Port. Then the Army and Marines move out and take the rest prisoner.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:05 PM (rzSn3)

239 Posted by: acme shelving unit at July 19, 2012 11:53 PM (xotMI) While China is working on having a blue water Navy, they are very far from that having those capabilities. China has never (until now) focused their priorities into forming a competent Navy. They'd be hard pressed to take Taiwan now by force even without the US Naval presence there. Doesn't mean the Chi-Coms aren't a potential threat, but we don't have to worry about them making beachheads on the Left Coast..yet.

Posted by: Kratos at July 19, 2012 08:06 PM (c1WVm)

240 >>>America is a fortress, it just doesn't look like one. It's not a fortress it's a sundew trap. It looks sweet and eBay, but by the time you realize the danger it is way too late

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 08:07 PM (GE1+K)

241 Also Eric Burdon > A Commie.

Posted by: nickless at July 19, 2012 08:07 PM (MMC8r)

242 Don't forget, the ChiComs do have a carrier now.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 08:07 PM (yh0zB)

243 Rick: Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade. thx, C.Taylor. That's exactly the line from Casablanca that's been rollin' around in my head since this conversation started down this road

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2012 08:07 PM (JMmQ9)

244 @flatbush...I totally hear you...it's amazing but true. West Linn is like a weird science experiment when they drop a bunch of Chicago South Side and Watts regulars into a reality TV show and let them loose on an episode of Woodstock.

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 08:08 PM (3lxx0)

245 "Seriously - How hard would it be for the chicoms to simply...take over
the entire west coast of America?"

China has just enough transports and amphibious warfare equipment to maybe invade Taiwan, a small island just off their coast.

I doubt they could even take much less hold Hawaii.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 08:08 PM (xROTy)

246 Re. "Invasion America": Was Canada on the good guys' side or with the invaders? Or was English Canada on the good side and Quebec helping the invasion? Posted by: andycanuck at July 20, 2012 12:05 AM (vDl/w) The US and Canada were all on the same side, and all of Mexico and Central America were occupied. It was a nice little 'beer and pretzels' game - you could have up to 4 guys play, or more if you split the US forces up.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:08 PM (rzSn3)

247 Have lots of ammo for your .22's folks. Great game getter. And I sure wouldn't want to get hit with one either.

Posted by: teej at July 19, 2012 08:08 PM (Vdd8W)

248 re 239 - in CA it's a "hobby", not a "firearm" - own as many of these kinds of "weapons" as you like!

Posted by: acme shelving unit at July 19, 2012 08:08 PM (xotMI)

249

Seriously - How hard would it be for the chicoms to simply...take over the entire west coast of America?<<<<

With fuck-all for a blue water navy, I'm go to go with "pretty fucking impossible."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 19, 2012 08:08 PM (JDIKC)

250 Don't forget, the ChiComs do have a carrier now. Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2012 12:07 AM (yh0zB) I'm sure the USN is pretty scared now.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:09 PM (rzSn3)

251 >>>BUT...could it happen? Answer my question Are the Chinese going to swim here or are they going to march across he strait? Cause that's the only way you get an overwhelming orce on our shores.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 08:09 PM (GE1+K)

252 Don't forget, the ChiComs do have a carrier now. But do they have any aircraft that they can (successfully and repeatably) recover on a carrier?

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2012 08:09 PM (JMmQ9)

253 The ice thing is kinda disturbing, since I love to fill my cup to the brim with ice and chew on it ...

Hrm!

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 19, 2012 08:10 PM (6EuP/)

254 Re. "Invasion America": Was Canada on the good guys' side or with the invaders? Or was English Canada on the good side and Quebec helping the invasion? Well some of us hearing this message are part of the resistance...regardless.

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 08:10 PM (3lxx0)

255 Are the Chinese going to swim here or are they going to march across he strait? Cause that's the only way you get an overwhelming orce on our shores. Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 12:09 AM (GE1+K) You walk a force that far and it will hardly be overwhelming by the time it gets anywhere near the Pac Northwest.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:11 PM (rzSn3)

256

I loved Red Dawn when I saw it in the theater. I really did.

But please, we ain't Afghanistan. They would have had their asses handed to them if they tried that conventional shit with us.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 19, 2012 08:11 PM (WfaIt)

257 Hola to my imaginary moron friends!

Posted by: zeera at July 19, 2012 08:11 PM (XtxRN)

258 Big change with China will be when they surpass as the largest economy on the planet. That will happen and sooner than most think. And it won't stop at parity. By 2050 China will likely have 2x the GDP of the US. I expect we'll abandon Taiwan at some point in the next few decades. China will surpass in the 2020s, right as the Reagan naval build-up ages out of the fleet. The Navy already calls the 2020s the Terrible 20s because there is no way to pay for all the ships we need just to maintain the fleet. I expect China to start funding Hawaiian separatist groups. They'll team with leftists and NGOs demanding Hawaii is declared a tribe like the Navajo and Hawaii is made an independent, sovereign nation.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 19, 2012 08:11 PM (ZPrif)

259 It wouldn't take but five years for CHina to crap out a navy in terms of ships but... manning them, with competent sailors? That's another story. And the things would probably fall to pieces halfway over, the hull made of painted over styrofoam and burn out nuclear power plant rods or something.
China doesn't scare me as a threat to the US mainland, but they do make me nervous as a threat to overall world peace. Eventually their government is going to figure out that the best answer to a surplus of men in the population is a war of attrition.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:12 PM (r4wIV)

260 >>>in CA it's a "hobby", not a "firearm" - own as many of these kinds of "weapons" as you like! Yeah you can still mail order a cap and ball. Thank Zgos libbies know donk about guns

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 08:12 PM (GE1+K)

261
    I'm thinking the vision of our military fully unleashed is enough to make anyone decide that it would be a VERY bad idea to provoke us to that extreme.

    Bluster and rattle sabers, sure. Full out war?

      Don't think so.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 19, 2012 08:12 PM (SAMxH)

262 But do they have any aircraft that they can (successfully and repeatably) recover on a carrier?

Yes, they got some sort of Harrier'ish VTOL fighter in inventory.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 19, 2012 08:12 PM (j6wr/)

263 Click on the URL for info and pics of Invasion America...hope it works anyway

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:12 PM (rzSn3)

264 Or on my name

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:13 PM (rzSn3)

265 152 Rumor has it that the Peugeot has an annoying tendency to surrender at red lights.

No it digs in on red. It refuses to advance and surrenders on green. Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 11:26 PM

Peugeot may be going the way of the Maginot soon. In order to continue as a going concern, they have to lay off a few thousand. Monsieur Hollande is saying "non", that Peugeot must keep those workers on

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 08:13 PM (Y7XKa)

266 249 Don't forget, the ChiComs do have a carrier now. Yes, that retrofitted Russian carrier. It's essentially a giant bath-tub toy right now. It will take a great while for the Chi Coms to adequately train naval personnel for their planned fleets. However, the limited naval capabilities of the Chinese won't prevent them from claiming/taking areas of the South China Sea within their "9 dash line" whenever they can. They'll just be a bit careful in how they proceed.

Posted by: Kratos at July 19, 2012 08:14 PM (c1WVm)

267 On West Liinn, Oregon. I'm just riffing on Chael Sonnen's bit. He's the UFC fighter. Calls himself the Gangster From West Linn. I've never been there and assumed it was a joke.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 19, 2012 08:14 PM (ZPrif)

268 >>>You walk a force that far and it will hardly be overwhelming by the time it gets anywhere near the Pac Northwest. I'd get a parka, union suit, lawnchair nd bowl of popcorn and watch em try and march past Fairbanks.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 08:14 PM (GE1+K)

269 I'm sure the USN is pretty scared now.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 20, 2012 12:09 AM (rzSn3)

Quaking in our flight deck boots shipmate.

And has been asked...yeah they have the ship, the aircraft and competent pilots/flight deck crew? not so much.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 08:14 PM (yh0zB)

270 Are the Chinese going to swim here or are they going to march across he strait? Cause that's the only way you get an overwhelming orce on our shores.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 12:09 AM (GE1+K)

Maybe they could use the corpses of their 30 million surplus males to make a raft. No, they can't reach us. But it will be interesting to see what they do with those excess males to try to avoid the implicit social instability.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 19, 2012 08:14 PM (nZvGM)

271 Eventually their government is going to figure out that the best answer to a surplus of men in the population is a war of attrition.

Not to worry...it'll happen in Africa if it happens at all...and we'll probably be allied with them in it.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 19, 2012 08:14 PM (j6wr/)

272 Yes, they got some sort of Harrier'ish VTOL fighter in inventory. Posted by: @PurpAv at July 20, 2012 12:12 AM (j6wr/) Are they the ones the Russians had on their first carrier. Those suckers could only fly for 15 minutes or so when they first came out.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:14 PM (rzSn3)

273 hi all
what is everyone up to tonight?

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 08:14 PM (d/5qf)

274 According to kbdabear I am a lesbian.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:37 PM

Funny, you don't strike me as a Subaru Forrester driver

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 08:15 PM (Y7XKa)

275 Well if China takes Hawaii then Obama can be a chicom just like he always wanted

Posted by: thunderb at July 19, 2012 08:15 PM (Dnbau)

276 "And if Lewis Richardson got it right, we are getting near the statistical due date for a 10⁹ death conflict."
*************

There's no such thing as a "statistical due date" for chance happenings.

It's like baseball announcers claiming, "He's in a slump now, but based on his stats he's due for a hit."

Or, "An asteroid has hit us on average once every 100 million years, so we're near a statistical due date for another one."

Or, "We've had two wars with Great Britain in the last 230 years, so we're overdue for another one."

BZZZZTTT!!!!

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at July 19, 2012 08:15 PM (fBsx6)

277 It wouldn't take but five years for CHina to crap out a navy in terms of ships but... manning them, with competent sailors? That's another story. And the things would probably fall to pieces halfway over, the hull made of painted over styrofoam and burn out nuclear power plant rods or something. I believe the USN would describe this as a "target-rich environment"

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2012 08:16 PM (JMmQ9)

278 RE # 258 - you are misunderstandin the scenario - The Obama Administration allows it to happen... What then? A batch of locals with deer rifles (or some guys with surplus gear and "black rifles" gonna take on 1 million troops? This aint a game or some movie...

Posted by: acme shelving unit at July 19, 2012 08:16 PM (xotMI)

279 I believe the USN would describe this as a "target-rich environment" Posted by: AltonJackson at July 20, 2012 12:16 AM (JMmQ9) The Thicker the Hay, the Easier the Mowing Alaric the Goth

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:17 PM (rzSn3)

280 The Obama Administration allows it to happen... What then? A batch of locals with deer rifles (or some guys with surplus gear and "black rifles" gonna take on 1 million troops? This aint a game or some movie... Posted by: acme shelving unit at July 20, 2012 12:16 AM (xotMI) That's kind of like me "allowing" Hollywood Starlets to come and violate me daily. It aint gonna happen no matter what I say.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:18 PM (rzSn3)

281 You're only sending a million? That's insulting.

Posted by: teej at July 19, 2012 08:18 PM (WY3bD)

282 Also once China has the #1 GDP on the planet, things will change. People like the strong horse. Human nature. Part of the mystique of America --- the biggest, the richest, the best -- will have been broken. Last time the #1 GDP changed hands was when the US passed UK 100+ years ago. One of the rare peaceful transitions in world history -- and we fought 2 wars against each other!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 19, 2012 08:18 PM (ZPrif)

283 Funny, you don't strike me as a Subaru Forrester driver

Posted by: kbdabear at July 20, 2012 12:15 AM (Y7XKa)

Baja. It's an Outback pickup.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 08:18 PM (yh0zB)

284 Well if China takes Hawaii then Obama can be a chicom just like he always wanted ...clever, very clever...

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 08:18 PM (3lxx0)

285 >>>The Obama Administration allows it to happen... as if the governor of xxxxx won't use his air national guard o defend his state? Even moonbeam ain't that high

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 08:19 PM (GE1+K)

286 266, since they are going to have to walk to that war, it is going to suck to be Russian or Indian

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 08:19 PM (i5V/h)

287 Are they the ones the Russians had on their first carrier.

The Yak 38? Probably some localized derivative of that tech.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 19, 2012 08:19 PM (j6wr/)

288 Don't forget, the ChiComs do have a carrier now. Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2012 12:07 AM (yh0zB) NOt really. They have an old Ruskie one they refitted for training and tests. They are working on a home grown one now, but with no where near the capabilities of our super carriers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2012 08:19 PM (05RcU)

289 LOL. I was considering going to Boardgame Geek to see if it was there, Oldcat.

I didn't play many boardgames back then although I still have about four to this day and three or so Strategy "N" Tactics magazines/games. I've always preferred lead soldier wargaming instead.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 08:19 PM (vDl/w)

290

248 Also Eric Burdon > A Commie.

Nooo. ....Really? What makes you say that?

Posted by: wheatie at July 19, 2012 08:19 PM (MbB0O)

291 Larry Bird used to mouth off to flight attendants.

He didn't know how many times his Diet Coke had loogies hoiked into it in the galley.

(did you really think it was just generations of in-breeding that made his face so zitty and swollen and all..?)

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at July 19, 2012 08:19 PM (fBsx6)

292

RE # 258 - you are misunderstandin the scenario -

The Obama Administration allows it to happen...

You are misunderstanding what everyone else is saying: they don't have the capability to move that many people across the ocean even if they are unopposed.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 19, 2012 08:20 PM (nZvGM)

293 Night all...

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 08:21 PM (3lxx0)

294 don't forget we whupped the Chinese in 1950 and Vietnam FUCKING VIETNAM beat the Chinese in 1979. China is the originial paper tiger fickin commies. oh and howdy!

Posted by: Jake in ID at July 19, 2012 08:21 PM (RQjPS)

295 So what was it Teej in late '73?. the only thing I remember was the oil embargo from that time frame.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 19, 2012 08:21 PM (cFNd/)

296 I didn't play many boardgames back then although I still have about four to this day and three or so Strategy "N" Tactics magazines/games. I've always preferred lead soldier wargaming instead. Posted by: andycanuck at July 20, 2012 12:19 AM (vDl/w) I loved the look of minis but had neither the patience or money to do more than look. Cardboard is cheaper!

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:21 PM (rzSn3)

297 Baja. It's an Outback pickup.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2012 12:18 AM

As I said, the entire Subaru lineup is for lesbians, except for the Impreza WRX which is for Thai Ladyboys

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 08:22 PM (Y7XKa)

298 o what was it Teej in late '73?. the only thing I remember was the oil embargo from that time frame. Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 20, 2012 12:21 AM (cFNd/) October War - Arab Israeli war??

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:22 PM (rzSn3)

299
280 hi all
what is everyone up to tonight?

Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 12:14 AM (d/5qf)

~~Reading~~ Watching Balzac.

Posted by: Fred Willard at July 19, 2012 08:22 PM (7+pP9)

300 He didn't know how many times his Diet Coke had loogies hoiked into it in the galley.

Larry: Why does this coke smell like blood?

Attendant: I stirred it with my tampon. Enjoy.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 19, 2012 08:22 PM (j6wr/)

301 I had a friend who always called them "Boobaroos." Now I do too.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at July 19, 2012 08:23 PM (+NoVc)

302 It's my son's 8th birthday tomorrow...taking him to buy his first bow...wish me luck.

Posted by: Brian in BC at July 19, 2012 11:46 PM (3lxx0)

MATTHEWS GENESIS.... you can shoot it to... adjustable draw length

Posted by: The Jackhole at July 19, 2012 08:23 PM (DU15A)

303 About those bloodiest wars: the An Lushan is by far the most devastating. It involved ~15% of the world's population. WW2? A measly 3%.

Posted by: FUBAR at July 19, 2012 08:24 PM (mdhVr)

304 Well, China already controls a large portion of the earth's surface and about 20% of the human population. Not bad for a paper tiger.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 19, 2012 08:24 PM (ZPrif)

305 This is an article I just found - apparently the Chinese only just started sea trials with aircraft on board their carrier last week.

http://tinyurl.com/73vetd

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 19, 2012 08:24 PM (eRN1V)

306 but with no where near the capabilities of our super carriers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 20, 2012 12:19 AM (05RcU)

Entire Chinese air bases have nowhere near the capabilities of our supercarriers. In fact, many nations entire air forces have nowhere near the capabilities of our supercarriers. I was just mentioning the fact they have a ship that can have aircraft operated off of it...kind of like the USS Langley...

Posted by: GGE, Carrier Squid (Ret) at July 19, 2012 08:25 PM (yh0zB)

307 Ecch. Fixed. http://tinyurl.com/73vetdx

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 19, 2012 08:25 PM (eRN1V)

308 Time for the old folk. The black powder arsenal needs exercise, so that's on tomorrow's agenda.

Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 19, 2012 08:26 PM (SAMxH)

309 I caught the end of Conan's show tonight and he had a standup comic named Sebastian Manascalo on

He had to be the worst comic I've ever seen. That's saying something with the dearth of standup talent around now

Carlin was funny, Cosby was funny, Eddie Murphy too. But to me the king of comedy of all time was Richard Pryor

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 08:26 PM (Y7XKa)

310 Well, China already controls a large portion of the earth's surface and about 20% of the human population. Not bad for a paper tiger. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2012 12:24 AM (ZPrif) They had even more of both when the Mongols took them out in the middle ages. These days tech beats mass more than ever, especially when you are talking about projection of power. Could we invade them? Well, we could land folks there, but doubt we could beat them all. They can't even get to step one with us.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:26 PM (rzSn3)

311 Only once have I ever used a man-pulled rickshaw, in Calcutta years ago.

Several "drivers" had a fist-fight over who would take me and my traveling partner to our youth hostel from the main train station.

Not cool . But there were no other choices.

(everywhere else in India, rickshaws were essentially geared tri-cycles )

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at July 19, 2012 08:27 PM (fBsx6)

312 Reading Watching Balzac.

Posted by: Fred Willard at July 20, 2012 12:22 AM (7+pP9)

umm Fred you spelled that wrong

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 08:27 PM (d/5qf)

313 As I said, the entire Subaru lineup is for lesbians, except for the Impreza WRX which is for Thai Ladyboys

Posted by: kbdabear at July 20, 2012 12:22 AM (Y7XKa)

Like I said...according to you I'm a lesbian. And I'm OK with that.

Posted by: GGE, Carrier Squid (Ret) at July 19, 2012 08:27 PM (yh0zB)

314 RE # 258 - you are misunderstandin the scenario -

The Obama Administration allows it to happen...

What then? A batch of locals with deer rifles (or some guys with surplus gear and "black rifles" gonna take on 1 million troops? This aint a game or some movie...

Posted by: acme shelving unit at July 20, 2012 12:16 AM (xotMI)

Oh yee of little faith. I for one will be there. I will be carrying a deer rifle and a black rifle. My pack is ready to go right now.

Posted by: The Jackhole at July 19, 2012 08:28 PM (DU15A)

315 Tamerlane wins that chart. He did it with swords and horses.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:28 PM (r4wIV)

316 He had to be the worst comic I've ever seen.

Conan or the other guy? Conan blows pretty bad compared to Leno or Carson.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 19, 2012 08:28 PM (j6wr/)

317 Entire Chinese air bases have nowhere near the capabilities of our supercarriers. In fact, many nations entire air forces have nowhere near the capabilities of our supercarriers. I was just mentioning the fact they have a ship that can have aircraft operated off of it...kind of like the USS Langley... Posted by: GGE, Carrier Squid (Ret) at July 20, 2012 12:25 AM (yh0zB) It's later at night and I'm tired. I was just casually mentioning that the chicoms really don't present much of a threat to the USN with their incipient Carriers. I wasn't directing at anyone in particular, and I agree with everything you just wrote.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2012 08:29 PM (05RcU)

318 >>>311 Well, China already controls a large portion of the earth's surface and about 20% of the human population. Not bad for a paper tiger. And they are a civilization thousands of years old sucking hind tit to a 200 year old upstart. They should have been running this bitch when Christ was in short pants.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 08:29 PM (GE1+K)

319 I know we're just having fun here acme but do a little study sometime on the number of firearms owners in this country. And the billions (yes, with a b) of rounds of ammo in private hands. And a lot of those folks are veterans to boot. Then ask yourself if you want to, with your AK, go up against a lot of men that are gonna start taking you out at 400+ yards. Hey I'm getting old so my eyes aren't so good. Start grabbing their puny little scoped "black rifles" inside of 300 and well...you get the picture.

Posted by: teej at July 19, 2012 08:31 PM (pyh5u)

320 Like I said...according to you I'm a lesbian. And I'm OK with that.
Posted by: GGE, Carrier Squid (Ret) at July 20, 2012 12:27 AM

BTW, the BMW M3 is a ghey car, it's the preferred ride for the lawyer or professional suit and tie ghey

But it is teh ghey

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 08:32 PM (Y7XKa)

321 What has always worried me about China is that their own name for themselves means "Middle Kingdom", which to them is literally the center of the universe. So they are prone to a vastly inflated sense of self-importance.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 08:33 PM (d/5qf)

322 Fapwood Tonight.....

Posted by: Fred Willard at July 19, 2012 08:33 PM (BVkEs)

323 It's later at night and I'm tired. I was just casually mentioning that the chicoms really don't present much of a threat to the USN with their incipient Carriers. I wasn't directing at anyone in particular, and I agree with everything you just wrote.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 20, 2012 12:29 AM (05RcU)

True. But you gotta start somewhere...and a lot of wars have been decided on who had the manpower to expend. They have a lot of manpower to expend. All they need is time and training.

Course, they still do carrier aviation like the rest of the world. No one does it like we do. And the funny thing about that...we got it all from the Brits who didn't do it like that anymore after Dubya Dubya Eye Eye...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 08:33 PM (yh0zB)

324 >>>But it is teh ghey My motorcycle is. BMW is that the ghey?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 08:33 PM (GE1+K)

325

just got done watching a hellraiser with the beast....yeah, she's grounded when mom gets home

and a year long guarantee if the viet wife runs away?

shit, how do i get rid of mine now?

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 08:33 PM (TvbvY)

326 Cardboard is cheaper!
It sure is. Still, you could try 1/300 [5mm] if you wanted to come over to the dark side. 8^)

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 08:35 PM (vDl/w)

327 navycopjoe, don't worry, once Romney gets elected, he will reopen the workhouses for orphans, so you can get rid of your little hellraiser there

or so the libs tell me anyway

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 08:35 PM (d/5qf)

328 So, Federal govt dropped by today, fabricated a set of shelves and screwed them to the wall for me. It was really exhausting watching them laboring on my behalf.

Thanks for the help Barak. I need to take a shower I worked up such a sweat watching you work.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 19, 2012 08:36 PM (j6wr/)

329 BTW, the BMW M3 is a ghey car, it's the preferred ride for the lawyer or professional suit and tie ghey

But it is teh ghey

Posted by: kbdabear at July 20, 2012 12:32 AM (Y7XKa)

and a base model Mustang GT with the Brembo brakes can keep up with it on the racetrack (even without the much-vaunted IRS!), with a set of competition shocks and springs it will beat it...for 30K less money. 'course it doesn't have as nice an interior...but 30K will buy a lot of leather. Just sayin'.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 08:36 PM (yh0zB)

330 "So they are prone to a vastly inflated sense of self-importance."
China has always considered its self the center of the universe and the smartest, best, noblest, most skilled, artistic, wisest and so on of all peoples. Everyone else is barely civilized.
Japan used to think that about themselves, too. They still have that "Gaijin" attitude about others, but its more subdued after Hiroshima.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:36 PM (r4wIV)

331 Course, they still do carrier aviation like the rest of the world. No one does it like we do. And the funny thing about that...we got it all from the Brits who didn't do it like that anymore after Dubya Dubya Eye Eye... Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2012 12:33 AM (yh0zB) No, we developed our own carrier forces. If anything, we learned more from the Japanese than the Brits.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:36 PM (rzSn3)

332 Avalon Hill board games totally rule.

And with that, goodnight morons.

Posted by: Hexagon Fan at July 19, 2012 08:37 PM (7+pP9)

333

334 he will reopen the workhouses for orphans, so you can get rid of your little hellraiser there

SWEET!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 08:37 PM (TvbvY)

334 China has always considered its self the center of the universe and the smartest, best, noblest, most skilled, artistic, wisest and so on of all peoples. Everyone else is barely civilized.

Yeah, so once they start believing that they *can* defeat us, they will try. That is my concern.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 08:37 PM (d/5qf)

335 Elect me some more, and I'll continue to gut the military, as ordered by my Chinese masters.

Posted by: Barack Hopsing Obama at July 19, 2012 08:37 PM (BVkEs)

336 >>>shit, how do i get rid of mine now? Repeat after me. You're going to wear that?! Don't you have something that makes you look a bit thinner?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 08:38 PM (GE1+K)

337 My motorcycle is. BMW is that the ghey?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 12:33 AM (GE1+K)

Yes.

Posted by: GGE, Harley owner at July 19, 2012 08:38 PM (yh0zB)

338 Cardboard is cheaper! It sure is. Still, you could try 1/300 [5mm] if you wanted to come over to the dark side. 8^) Posted by: andycanuck at July 20, 2012 12:35 AM (vDl/w) a company called Victory Point Games just published a 'miniatures' game on cardboard.. Gettysburg the Wheatfield

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:39 PM (rzSn3)

339

336 but 30K will buy a lot of leather

yeah but just 30 bucks will buy even more leather in thailand iykwim

from what i heard on the smoke deck of course

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 08:39 PM (TvbvY)

340 I saw a message on Facebook today, the "Ann Romney said 'you people' isn't she an elitist bitch" kind with a really unflattering picture of her. The fool who posted it said he'd never vote for someone that rich (because they're out of touch with the common man) and claimed that Romney would 'destroy democracy.'
Now, I'll buy that you don't care for the man, and he certainly is wealthy but... destroy democracy? Upon what possible basis does someone come up with that?
I didn't bother reminding the guy that the Obamas are rich too, or note that Mrs Romney said 'you people' to the news media. He wouldn't even care.
I just thought that was such a bizarre fear of Romney, given the president we now are suffering under. I mean if you're going to oppose the guy, at least come up with something sane and plausible.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:39 PM (r4wIV)

341 My motorcycle is. BMW is that the ghey? Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 12:33 AM

No, just the M3 .. and the 7 series

Are you driving the 'gayest car?'

http://tinyurl.com/7ny3slh

The Ultimate Gay and Lesbian Cars of All Time

http://tinyurl.com/6v2kg3j

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 08:39 PM (Y7XKa)

342 Yeah, so once they start believing that they *can* defeat us, they will try. That is my concern. Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 12:37 AM (d/5qf) I'm sure the staff study of a US Invasion will get them to drop that kind of thing for a while. There's better places for adventures if they want that.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:40 PM (rzSn3)

343 I remember exactly what I was doing the day Nixon resigned. My new fiancee and I got a flat and wound up at this Transylvanian convention. After that it gets a little hazy.

Posted by: Brad Majors at July 19, 2012 08:41 PM (j1Mxg)

344 No, we developed our own carrier forces. If anything, we learned more from the Japanese than the Brits.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 20, 2012 12:36 AM (rzSn3)

The Brits invented the steam cat and taught us how to land Corsairs on carriers using a curved final approach, something that we still do today. After WW2 the Brits dropped the steam cats and went with the jump-deck carriers (the ones with the cute little ski jump at the front) and we developed the angle deck. We are the only ones now IIRC who don't use a jump deck.

Posted by: GGE, Harley owner at July 19, 2012 08:41 PM (yh0zB)

345 >>>Posted by: GGE, Harley owner at July 20, 2012 12:38 AM (yh0zB) I certainly won't take he opinion of someone who thinks a lawn ornament is a motorcycle.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 08:41 PM (GE1+K)

346 "Yeah, so once they start believing that they *can* defeat us, they will try. That is my concern."
China has always been certain they can beat the US, and everyone else on earth. It getting that tiger moving that's the hard part. They could barely muster an invasion of Korea. The big reason China hasn't dominated the world is that culturally it is incredibly regressive and passive. Confucianism is all about staying in your place and not changing or questioning the system.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:41 PM (r4wIV)

347

343 heh

she's wearing jeans and her devon hester jersey right now

she knows the truth and the truth is Da BEARS!!!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 08:41 PM (TvbvY)

348 I'm sure the staff study of a US Invasion will get them to drop that kind of thing for a while. There's better places for adventures if they want that. Posted by: Oldcat at July 20, 2012 12:40 AM (rzSn3) Shit

Posted by: Taiwan at July 19, 2012 08:41 PM (05RcU)

349

@248

I guess nickless left.

Anyways, I don't think that Eric Burdon is a commie.

In fact....he's said that American Jazz was one way that the kids in the underground rebelled against the commies.

They would see American servicemen, and get friendly with them....in order to get copies of American jazz and blues records.

He said that was how he got into music.

Posted by: wheatie at July 19, 2012 08:42 PM (MbB0O)

350 I shall never know the answers, for I'm turning in. Another hard day of fishing tomorrow.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 19, 2012 08:42 PM (cFNd/)

351 SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2012 08:43 PM (05RcU)

352 Remember what Mark Gant told the chinese guy in Clancy's Executive Orders? Your dicks aren't aren't big enough to get in a pissing contest with us.

Posted by: teej at July 19, 2012 08:43 PM (Xfofp)

353 "After WW2 the Brits dropped the steam cats and went with the jump-deck carriers"
Well, what's left of their itty navy only has those little toy carriers, they have to use that kind of device. Its deeply depressing what has happened to the British Navy after two centuries of controlling the planet.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:43 PM (r4wIV)

354 Now, I'll buy that you don't care for the man, and he certainly is wealthy but... destroy democracy? Upon what possible basis does someone come up with that?

Romney is the next Emmanuel Goldstein to them. It doesn't matter to them what Romney says or does.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 08:43 PM (d/5qf)

355 The Brits invented the steam cat and taught us how to land Corsairs on carriers using a curved final approach, something that we still do today. After WW2 the Brits dropped the steam cats and went with the jump-deck carriers (the ones with the cute little ski jump at the front) and we developed the angle deck. We are the only ones now IIRC who don't use a jump deck. Posted by: GGE, Harley owner at July 20, 2012 12:41 AM (yh0zB) We were launching B-25 Mitchells off carriers years before that. Corsairs, pfft! The Brits had some carriers, but carrier fleet ops were Japanese specialties until 42, when we started to take over.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:44 PM (rzSn3)

356 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 20, 2012 12:39 AM (r4wIV)

And now come to find out...after careful review...she didn't say you people after all...she just said people...

Like RWR said, it's not so much they don't know anything, it's that what they know is wrong.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 08:44 PM (yh0zB)

357 China has always considered its self the center of the universe and the
smartest, best, noblest, most skilled, artistic, wisest and so on of all
peoples. Everyone else is barely civilized.

Yeah, so once they start believing that they *can* defeat us, they will try. That is my concern.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 12:37 AM (d/5qf)

But I don't think that is how it has worked historically. Because they have felt themselves so superior, they have had no interest in mixing with other races (culturally or literally) as would happen if they were to seek an outward empire.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 19, 2012 08:45 PM (nZvGM)

358 OK, I'm out tomorrow night, mi amigos

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2012 08:45 PM (JMmQ9)

359 Well, what's left of their itty navy only has those little toy carriers, they have to use that kind of device. Its deeply depressing what has happened to the British Navy after two centuries of controlling the planet. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 20, 2012 12:43 AM (r4wIV) Sharing carriers with the French. Icky

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:45 PM (rzSn3)

360 I used to play a lot of flying games and on a computer I was a very fine pilot but I never could manage a carrier landing. I just gave up and started ditching the plane in the water, which few games even penalized. After the first one, I'd have been busted down to swabbing out the heads probably, but in the game they just said "too bad, bud, here's another one."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:45 PM (r4wIV)

361 The next big war will be a Chinese civil war, about 20 years from now. Note that a Chinese civil war probably will involve neighboring countries whether or not they want to be included.

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 19, 2012 08:45 PM (j1Mxg)

362 I certainly won't take he opinion of someone who thinks a lawn ornament is a motorcycle.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 12:41 AM (GE1+K)

I'll have you know I resent the hell out of that statement.

its in the shed...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 08:46 PM (yh0zB)

363 she knows the truth and the truth is Da BEARS!!!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 20, 2012 12:41 AM (TvbvY)

so the truth is going .500? Well to be fair, that percentage does blow away the Cubs

Posted by: The Dude at July 19, 2012 08:46 PM (tw6Ar)

364 "Romney is the next Emmanuel Goldstein to them. It doesn't matter to them what Romney says or does."
Yeah, its just such an irrational, bizarre way of viewing the world, I still after all these years am taken by surprise by how crazy they can be.
Its like the Dominionist stuff. They're terrified a Christian will gain power and outlaw fun or something.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:47 PM (r4wIV)

365 Sharing carriers with the French. Icky

Posted by: Oldcat at July 20, 2012 12:45 AM (rzSn3)

I KNOW. Isn't there anyone in that country who has studied European history from, you know, the 12th-19th centuries or so and have realized how embarrassing it must look to *share* military hardware with the frogs?

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 08:47 PM (d/5qf)

366 After the first one, I'd have been busted down to swabbing out the heads probably, but in the game they just said "too bad, bud, here's another one." Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 20, 2012 12:45 AM (r4wIV) Actually, not that uncommon. After the Mariana Turkey Shoot (which we won) we lost a crap load of planes to ditching because of the high range and night time landing attempt. Saved almost all the pilots though, so no biggy.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:47 PM (rzSn3)

367

369 there is only real bikes from just one country gentlemen

and that would be ITALIA

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 08:48 PM (TvbvY)

368 there is only real bikes from just one country gentlemen

The Republic of Huffy?

Posted by: CEO, Huffy Inc. at July 19, 2012 08:49 PM (d/5qf)

369 Sharing carriers with the French. Icky

Posted by: Oldcat at July 20, 2012 12:45 AM (rzSn3)

Yep. Ain't enough Lysol in the world.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 08:49 PM (yh0zB)

370 I KNOW. Isn't there anyone in that country who has studied European history from, you know, the 12th-19th centuries or so and have realized how embarrassing it must look to *share* military hardware with the frogs? Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 12:47 AM (d/5qf) Well during the heyday of sailing ships, it was well known that the French built better ships. The RN would capture them and use them for themselves. Maybe that is still the plan now.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 08:49 PM (rzSn3)

371 But the Smart Car, now that breeds manliness.

Posted by: Your typical paunchy stomached ponytailed college professor at July 19, 2012 08:50 PM (ZOf1l)

372 "Actually, not that uncommon. "
Yeah but I was doing it just because it was too hard to land on a carrier, no matter what the wather was like. I was hell on wheels when in the air, but that landing, I can't even imagine how someone does it on a calm day.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:50 PM (r4wIV)

373

370 thats because of injuries and a lack of receivers

can you say brandon marshall

can you say superbowl champs

can you say the greatness known as the great chitown!!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 08:50 PM (TvbvY)

374 369 I certainly won't take he opinion of someone who thinks a lawn ornament is a motorcycle.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 12:41 AM (GE1+K)

I'll have you know I resent the hell out of that statement.

its in the shed...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2012 12:46 AM

At least neither of you are riding a rice rocket. That's for HB-1 software engineers to pretend to be macho. Then there's the guys who ride them ...

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 08:50 PM (Y7XKa)

375 >>>its in the shed... OK that had teh funny

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 08:51 PM (GE1+K)

376 Enjoy your night folks. Have to get up in less than five hours.

Posted by: teej at July 19, 2012 08:51 PM (Xfofp)

377 But the Smart Car, now that breeds manliness.

Posted by: Your typical paunchy stomached ponytailed college professor at July 20, 2012 12:50 AM (ZOf1l)

I've seen videos of these things hopped up with Hyabusa motors. Makes them fast as shit, but I still wouldn't want to get hit in one. Rather be on a motorcycle...more steel to absorb the impact...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 08:51 PM (yh0zB)

378

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 20, 2012 12:45 AM (r4wIV)

play DCS Black Shark, no carrier landing since your in a heli. Or DCS AC-10. Or buy both and download the DCS World addon that unifies both games and hop into multi

Posted by: The Dude at July 19, 2012 08:51 PM (tw6Ar)

379 "Well during the heyday of sailing ships, it was well known that the French built better ships. "
Yeah them and the Dutch. They just couldn't sail and fight them as well - the French that is. The Dutch were great fighters and sailors, just outnumbered. The Brits even attacked Holland and 'confiscated' the Dutch ships, to keep them safe until they were out of Napoleon's power. It was that or let Napoleon get all those ships.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:52 PM (r4wIV)

380

381 there is nothing wrong with the rice rockets when youre young and stupid

i had one for years till i got my mv

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 08:53 PM (TvbvY)

381 Well, what's left of their itty navy only has those little toy carriers, they have to use that kind of device. Its deeply depressing what has happened to the British Navy after two centuries of controlling the planet. ********* Where is the only good Tudor to kick some arse? If she still ran the show there'd be no such thing as "Press 1 for English..." and this touching the monarch bullshit would end in a stay at the Tower for the Obamas. And no cool sightings of her mother for them, either!

Posted by: Isobel Ingoldesthorpe at July 19, 2012 08:53 PM (PDKu6)

382 nevergiveup, yesterday someone at The Weekly Standard wrote an article about that Bulgarian bomber -- I guess somehow he recognized him from that surveillance photo. But since that was the only source identifying him as the bomber, I didn't post a link to it.

National Review is now posting that the Bulgarian gov't says Mehdi is NOT the bomber. So who knows.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 19, 2012 08:54 PM (cHZB7)

383 Rice Rocket

http://tinyurl.com/89sgluh

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 08:54 PM (d/5qf)

384 >>> there is only real bikes from just one country gentlemen and that would be ITALIA Ah yes Ducati, making Riders into Motorcycle Mechanics since 1926

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 08:54 PM (GE1+K)

385 371, take a look at the fringe mormons. They are bent out of shape that a mainline mormon might be President, tis the end oif the world for some of them. And they are not the tyoe to go peacefully into the night,

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 08:54 PM (oE4Sy)

386 The BMW Paralever is the best shaft drive on a motorcycle so far. Makes torque reaction nearly nil so it doesn't upset the balance of the bike when you grab a handful of throttle. They make good stuff.

wow...that didn't hurt nearly as much as i thought it would...wait...oh, there it is...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 08:54 PM (yh0zB)

387 But the Smart Car, now that breeds manliness.

Posted by: Your typical paunchy stomached ponytailed college professor at July 20, 2012 12:50 AM (ZOf1l)

it does in the winter

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 20, 2012 12:50 AM (TvbvY)

yep, always next year or maybe the year after that or the year after that etc etc

also, lulz at Superbowl Champs

Posted by: The Dude at July 19, 2012 08:55 PM (tw6Ar)

388

389 has anyone checked to see if the amish are missing someone?

they're frisky bastards

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 08:55 PM (TvbvY)

389 >take a look at the fringe mormons.

Yeah, all 12 of them.

No thanks.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 08:55 PM (d/5qf)

390 National Review is now posting that the Bulgarian gov't says Mehdi is NOT the bomber. So who knows. Posted by: GnuBreed at July 20, 2012 12:54 AM (cHZB7) Bulgaria or Sweden? Sweden is acting like the guy never existed?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2012 08:55 PM (05RcU)

391

Anal Bum Cover for Elton...

::gaaaaaaaagh::

I believe you asked for this sort of thing in the Obama Family Photo thread:

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=142116

Posted by: 66chevelle at July 19, 2012 08:55 PM (QjSgY)

392 380
370 thats because of injuries and a lack of receivers
can you say brandon marshall
can you say superbowl champs
can you say the greatness known as the great chitown!!!!! Posted by: navycopjoe at July 20, 2012 12:50 AM

Jay Cutler underwent an MRI today and doctors say the Bears quarterback has torn his MCL, the Â“medial collateral labiaÂ”

Do you know why the Chicago Bears call their quarterback
Â“Fifty-CentsÂ” ???

Because Jay Cutler is only good for 2 quarters

The Chicago Bears signed Jay Cutler to a two-year extension. Or 100 fourth-quarter interceptions, whichever comes first.

Whats the only thing Jay Cutler can throw?

A tantrum

Posted by: Eli the NFC East Comic at July 19, 2012 08:56 PM (Y7XKa)

393 Yeah them and the Dutch.

"There are only two things I can't stand in this world. Those who are intolerant of other peoples cultures, and the Dutch."

Posted by: Nigel Powers at July 19, 2012 08:56 PM (ZOf1l)

394 Every time I see a smart car I think its a toy. I am not sure I'd even fit into one of them. And they STILL don't get as good mileage as the original Honda CVCC.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:56 PM (r4wIV)

395

391 Ah yes Ducati, making Riders into Motorcycle Mechanics since 1926

so true! ever notice all ducks sound like they have something loose?

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 08:56 PM (TvbvY)

396 And they are not the tyoe to go peacefully into the night,

Posted by: Jean at July 20, 2012 12:54 AM (oE4Sy)

Not that many of them though.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 08:57 PM (yh0zB)

397 Gee. It got busy all of a sudden. I guess dinner is over on the West Coast.

Goodnight, Hexagon Fan. And, actually, we use a 3" hexagon grid for our 25mm figures to get rid of the rulers so there's no excuse for you not converting to white metal.

There are several web sites that have paper soldiers, Oldcat, although not as fancy/realistic as 19th Century lithographed paper soldiers.

And I've forgotten the game name (it's a newish one) that I think is only various Eastern Front scenarios so far but it has a hex map or multiple sections that have wargaming type terrain indicated on it and you use counters on them the same way you'd use metal or plastic figures.

There are also several figure companies now that produce 28mm 1/56 hard plastic figures that are relatively inexpensive and don't have the painting problems that soft plastic like the old Airfix 1/72 figures had.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2012 08:57 PM (vDl/w)

398 Is this a rice rocket? Can't quite tell, it's being obscured by the image in the foreground

http://tinyurl.com/6qdddbf

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 08:58 PM (d/5qf)

399

399 if that shit wasn't so true i'd be pissed

but still....yep, face facts kids

Da BEARS will go all the mofo way

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 08:58 PM (TvbvY)

400 I love miniatures, and 15 years ago I could even paint them pretty well. These days I can't hold them in a position that even allows me to see well enough to try.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 08:59 PM (r4wIV)

401 But the Smart Car, now that breeds manliness. Minivan proud here.

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 08:59 PM (oE4Sy)

402 Really a troll? At this time of night? Go ahead Jean keep the hope. Keep believing there's a chance that flat failure might win, it keeps your tears sweeter when Andrea Mitchell looks you in he eye and tells you you've lost. Never lose hat hope OK or me?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 08:59 PM (GE1+K)

403 yeah my best friend just had his third kid, and he promptly went out and traded in his car for a minivan... ugh we are both getting old

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 09:00 PM (d/5qf)

404 >>>wow...that didn't hurt nearly as much as i thought it would...wait...oh, there it is... Harley has and has always had the enviable position of being first. And some sweet looking bikes.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 09:01 PM (GE1+K)

405 I will say one thing, T-Mobile Girl makes that rice rocket look good.

Then again, she'd make an AMC Pacer look good

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 09:01 PM (Y7XKa)

406 403, GGE - takes one 407, you can always get some kid at the GW store to paint them for you.

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 09:01 PM (oE4Sy)

407 Taking your baseball loving 15 year old son to a professional baseball game...Awesome.
Him getting a ball tossed to him from a player after an inning ending out and watching him try desperately to hide a happy grin...Priceless.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 09:02 PM (ZOf1l)

408 Is this a rice rocket? Can't quite tell, it's being obscured by the image in the foreground

http://tinyurl.com/6qdddbf

Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 12:58 AM (d/5qf)

Looks like ice cream. Strawberry if I'm not mistaken. Matches the bikini nicely.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 09:02 PM (yh0zB)

409 409 ?

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 09:02 PM (oE4Sy)

410 Sharing vessels with Johnny Crapaud?
Merde!

Posted by: zombie horatio hornblower at July 19, 2012 09:02 PM (vDl/w)

411 "you can always get some kid at the GW store to paint them for you."
Pretty much have to these days. I had about half the minis from Warhammer Quest done when I got distracted and now I can't see to do it any longer. Getting old has its advantages but sometimes its hard to see them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 09:03 PM (r4wIV)

412 Da BEARS will go all the mofo way

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 20, 2012 12:58 AM (TvbvY)

Got their tickets bought already then? Gooooood........

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 09:03 PM (yh0zB)

413

410 the 80's for us old asses

tinyurl.com/m46mqt

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 09:04 PM (TvbvY)

414 >>>416 409 ? I'm practicing going off half cocked. How m I doing?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 09:04 PM (GE1+K)

415 re carriers, I think the very nature of warfare is changing quickly. Note that we are using underwater drones in the Persian Gulf right now. Also, I saw pretty recently that the Navy is reconsidering their purchase of F35s and leaning more towards lots of air drones instead. Now, maybe that is being driven by the big budget cuts (sequestration) coming to defense, but smart drones are the future (think Skynet).

The reaction time of humans -- milliseconds
The reaction time of CPUs -- nanoseconds

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 19, 2012 09:05 PM (cHZB7)

416 410, was the same for we at kid three, nothing other then a full sized suburban can handle the car seats. I was in and out of every sedan with a tape measure trying to avoid it.

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 09:05 PM (oE4Sy)

417 Da BEARS will go all the mofo way

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 20, 2012 12:58 AM (TvbvY)

I don't know, Urlacher's dating that crazy bitch from Hollyweird. Gee Brian, how does it feel to be dating Jim Carrey's castoff.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 09:06 PM (ZOf1l)

418 "Taking your baseball loving 15 year old son to a professional baseball game...Awesome."
You are truly a great parent.
There is really nothing quite like walking out into the stands for a baseball game. You pass through those brutal concrete tunnels and steps, past the vendors and overpriced food, hearing echoes of footsteps, and then... you step out of the tunnel. The sound of the park, the smells of the peanuts and popcorn and beer wash over you, the almost impossible green of the field and stark bright white of the lines washes over your eyes. Its simply wonderful.
And if its a minor league game, there are no bad seats. I've never yet gone to a minor league game that was anything but a wonderful time.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 09:06 PM (r4wIV)

419 navycopjoe...I love the Bears, so I'm saying this in kindness: your expectations - lower them. The O-line is still suspect and the defense is getting old. They may have a run in them, and that would be wonderful, but let's shoot for a wildcard spot first.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN was from Chicago Before Moving to Civilization at July 19, 2012 09:06 PM (czZib)

420 421, good if your drinmking

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 09:06 PM (oE4Sy)

421 419 Da BEARS will go all the mofo way

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 20, 2012 12:58 AM

Who blocks for Jay Cutler?

Five Orange Cones

Posted by: Eli the NFC East Comic at July 19, 2012 09:07 PM (Y7XKa)

422 haven't played with miniatures in almost 15 years, mostly stick with card and boardgames nowadays

Posted by: The Dude at July 19, 2012 09:07 PM (tw6Ar)

423 "The reaction time of humans -- milliseconds
The reaction time of CPUs -- nanoseconds"
The Navy is experimenting with underwater drones too. Not sure how they communicate with the little buggers though.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 09:07 PM (r4wIV)

424 Going to take the kids to a minor league game on Friday

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 09:07 PM (oE4Sy)

425 GO CHIEFS BABEEE

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 09:07 PM (d/5qf)

426 The Navy isn't really enamored of the F35 because there's only one engine. The Marines are pissed about it because the V/STOL version has been cnx'd. It was supposed to be replacing their Harriers. The only service that still even likes it is the USAF, but by now its more of a political airplane (lots of congressional districts involved in making it) than anything else.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 09:08 PM (yh0zB)

427 397 Nevergiveup,

Bulgarian official sources -- here's the link:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/75yl4p2 (national review)

The update is at the end. The article is worth reading just to see what a total POS this Mehdi guy is/was.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 19, 2012 09:08 PM (cHZB7)

428 I don't know, Urlacher's dating that crazy bitch from Hollyweird. Gee Brian, how does it feel to be dating Jim Carrey's castoff.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 20, 2012 01:06 AM (ZOf1l)

he's always dated girls on the rebound, he luvs dem sloppy seconds

Posted by: The Dude at July 19, 2012 09:08 PM (tw6Ar)

429 The reaction time of CPUs -- nanoseconds

...when it is operating according to a fixed, pre-programmed algorithm...

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 09:08 PM (d/5qf)

430 >>>The reaction time of humans -- milliseconds The reaction time of CPUs -- nanoseconds, I actually work in controls for a living and you are a bit skewed. Computers exceed humans (100ms vs 3000ms) at identifying simple threats, but we still beat the crap out of them in anything complex

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 09:08 PM (GE1+K)

431 The reaction time of CPUs -- nanoseconds
That's going to end well.

Posted by: sarah connors at July 19, 2012 09:08 PM (vDl/w)

432 Mehdi, he's the guy that made the little "Guantanamo Bay is raping my rights" movie isn't he?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 09:09 PM (r4wIV)

433

426 no can do

denial is a river that runs through the north side of chicago

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 09:09 PM (TvbvY)

434 I don't know, Urlacher's dating that crazy bitch from Hollyweird. Gee Brian, how does it feel to be dating Jim Carrey's castoff.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 20, 2012 01:06 AM

Dirty Sanchez was dating KATE UPTON, and now he's hooked up with Eva Longoria

As a Jets fan, that doesn't load me with confidence in improving his judgement in reading defenses

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 09:09 PM (Y7XKa)

435 Another fine example of a hot bike

http://tinyurl.com/7lcdmg6

GGE thanks for your review of my previous bike pic

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 09:09 PM (d/5qf)

436 Going to take the kids to a minor league game on Friday

Even when it's a hundred degrees, nothing beats it. I've loved baseball almost my whole life and it never gets old watching it live.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 09:10 PM (ZOf1l)

437 Going to take the kids to a minor league game on Friday

Posted by: Jean at July 20, 2012 01:07 AM (oE4Sy)

Got tickets to the Durham Bulls game on the 3rd of August.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 09:10 PM (yh0zB)

438 Didn't read the comments and not even the rest of the articles on this fine ONT blawg. But I'm gonna say it anyway... I think that the Stolen Valor Act was a bad idea. And I've been thinking about this... I'm not sure that, "Liar, liar pants, on fucking FIRE!!!" Should ever be a criminal offence. Not on it's own. She should have sued her bosses. Though, I'm an Arizonan and I always thought that John McCain was a particularly shitty politician trading on "Earned Military Valor" my entire life.

Posted by: Deety at July 19, 2012 09:11 PM (e65BZ)

439 "Another fine example of a hot bike"
Another rice burner, but the race girl has a nice lil skirt at least.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 09:11 PM (r4wIV)

440 China can't project power. Say what will China do to France other than enbargo them? Cahina can't invade France period. Fuck China. It is the sneeky moslembs that we gotta watch for

Posted by: Jake in ID at July 19, 2012 09:12 PM (RQjPS)

441 Not sure how they communicate with the little buggers though.
Tweeeet tweet tweeeeeeet. [Shhh! That's secret.]

Posted by: whale pod #1 at July 19, 2012 09:12 PM (vDl/w)

442 Posted by: kbdabear at July 20, 2012 01:09 AM (Y7XKa)

I missed that. He's dating that racist Obama loving idiot? I was not aware of that. I don't care how hot people think she is, I think she's ugly.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 09:12 PM (ZOf1l)

443 50 Truman roots for Southern Miss in the SEC. Truman, my friend, there are meds for this.

Posted by: Scobface at July 19, 2012 09:12 PM (IoNBC)

444 Another fine example of a hot bike

http://tinyurl.com/7lcdmg6

GGE thanks for your review of my previous bike pic

Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 01:09 AM (d/5qf)

hmmm....if I hold my head just right there seems to be something blue behind her...or maybe it's silver...can't quite make it out...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 09:12 PM (yh0zB)

445 381 there is nothing wrong with the rice rockets when youre young and stupid
i had one for years till i got my mv

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 20, 2012 12:53 AM (TvbvY)

I've regressed over the years. I am down to a Honda CT 110.

Been looking for a CT 70 but they want an arm and a leg for them

Posted by: The Jackhole at July 19, 2012 09:13 PM (DU15A)

446 Tweeeet tweet tweeeeeeet.

Wait, the Navy uses Twitter to communicate with underwater drones?

Man those budget cuts were more severe than we thought

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 09:13 PM (d/5qf)

447

Almost bought a Suburu WRX.

But then, I didn't.

A real car must have a manual transmission and a V8. Everything else is a luxury item designed for ladies.

Posted by: GT 5.0 at July 19, 2012 09:13 PM (3W1+C)

448 432 GO CHIEFS BABEEE
Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 01:07 AM

I'm going against the tide of ESPN "experts" who are picking the Broncos or Bolts

The Chiefs lost 4 key players to season ending injuries, got off to a horrible start, and still righted themselves to where they were only 1 game off the rest of the division

I think they'll bounce back this year and make asses out of the "experts"

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 09:13 PM (Y7XKa)

449 A real car must have a manual transmission and a V8. Everything else is a luxury item designed for ladies. and a stakebed

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 09:14 PM (oE4Sy)

450 I liked the Stolen Valor act, but in the age of the internet all those little snots pretending to be soldiers are eventually found out.
I couldn't hack it in the military and I'd never pretend to. Anyone who does deserves all the mockery and contempt they receive.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 09:14 PM (r4wIV)

451 Re the hot Australian hurdler: Simply beautiful, and it's great to see her obviously having a good time with it.

Posted by: Scobface at July 19, 2012 09:15 PM (IoNBC)

452 Man those budget cuts were more severe than we thought Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 01:13 AM (d/5 Nope it is the $26 per gallon green fuel that sucke ass. Rather than the $6 per gallon fuel... The US Military should not be a social experiment

Posted by: Jake in ID at July 19, 2012 09:15 PM (RQjPS)

453 ...when it is operating according to a fixed, pre-programmed algorithm...
Must kill humans. zzzzz Must kill humans. zzzz

Posted by: bender at July 19, 2012 09:15 PM (vDl/w)

454 440
426 no can do
denial is a river that runs through the north side of chicago

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 20, 2012 01:09 AM (TvbvY)

Look on the bright side...in two or three years, the Cubs could actually be threatening for a division title. Next year is out of the question, but still...

For me, I'm hoping Rizzo turns out to be a stud someday, so I can brag about how I saw his debut at Wrigley.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN was from Chicago Before Moving to Civilization at July 19, 2012 09:15 PM (czZib)

455 other than Krater, another shit day of sales on steam

Posted by: The Dude at July 19, 2012 09:15 PM (tw6Ar)

456 A real car must have a manual transmission and a V8. Everything else is a luxury item designed for ladies.

Posted by: GT 5.0 at July 20, 2012 01:13 AM (3W1+C)

Great, now I don't even have a real car at all! Can this get any better???

(the Subi has a manual and a 4 cyl, the Mustang is a V8 with an auto)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 09:15 PM (yh0zB)

457 The Chiefs lost 4 key players to season ending injuries, got off to a horrible start, and still righted themselves to where they were only 1 game off the rest of the division

I think they'll bounce back this year and make asses out of the "experts"

Chiefs will do fine, all they need is a QB. But I still think with the talent they have, with Cassell, they will still be 10-6.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 09:16 PM (ZOf1l)

458

457 I couldn't hack it in the military and I'd never pretend to

can you hold a coffee mug? can you walk around?

if yes, then welcome to the world of the CPO

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 09:16 PM (TvbvY)

459 >>>I'm not sure that, "Liar, liar pants, on fucking FIRE!!!" Should ever be a criminal offence. Sanctity of military commendation is far far older than the Constitiution. What valid form of expression exists in claiming a false charge? Since they are descended from articles of heraldry, it is akin to claiming false authority of sovereign. The very essence of he word fraud. You betray your complete lack of knowledge about the history and heritage of military commendation.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 09:16 PM (GE1+K)

460 447 Jake,

Yep. The only group howling for world domination right now is the muzzies. If there's going to be a 10^9 war, it'll involve them.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 19, 2012 09:16 PM (cHZB7)

461 and a stakebed

Posted by: Jean at July 20, 2012 01:14 AM (oE4Sy)

*stomps off in a snit*

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 09:17 PM (yh0zB)

462 Think of it this way: the first driver to introduce an automatic transmission into formula racing won a crapload of races. Its not the bane of great driving that its made out to be.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 19, 2012 09:17 PM (r4wIV)

463 #439 Yeah, Mehdi is the guy from the crockumentary, Christopher. There are several links in the comments section at my nickname link including how the Swedes treated the asshole like a frigging hero.

Posted by: bender at July 19, 2012 09:18 PM (vDl/w)

464 433 The Navy isn't really enamored of the F35 because there's only one engine. The Marines are pissed about it because the V/STOL version has been cnx'd.

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Cite? I know the V/STOL is behind schedule and having trouble, but I haven't heard that it was cancelled.

Posted by: Anachronda at July 19, 2012 09:18 PM (1c58W)

465 Hellloooooo!

#443, I've been to a few Dust Devils games here in Tri-Cities, Washington, and they're a blast!

Posted by: Theresa at July 19, 2012 09:20 PM (36Yg+)

466 if yes, then welcome to the world of the CPO

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 20, 2012 01:16 AM (TvbvY)

No disrespect meant to you NCJ, but my last 2 years in I avoided making chief cause they would have made me stay longer to retire. I Christmas-treed the test and only missed board by 2 points (before that my avererage was 62). Best and brightest?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 09:20 PM (yh0zB)

467 Chiefs at 10-6? Whoa

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 09:20 PM (d/5qf)

468 457 I couldn't hack it in the military and I'd never pretend to
can you hold a coffee mug? can you walk around?
if yes, then welcome to the world of the CPO

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 20, 2012 01:16 AM (TvbvY)

My crew and I would usually build up about 125 MK 82's a day in over a hundred degree heat, get drunk and gamble after work, and get up the next morning and do it again. With the exception of our enemies, the military is nothing to be afraid of.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 09:20 PM (ZOf1l)

469 Nice hog, chemjeff. The motorcycle is pretty good too.

Posted by: bender at July 19, 2012 09:20 PM (vDl/w)

470

434 So if Mehdi is not the cocksucking murdering asshole in Bulgaria, can the Swedes tell us where he is? They were going to have their swedish intelligence services watch over him. Great job, they certainly were on top of his visit to Pakistan in 09. If it was me, he would have had a tragic accident on his way back to Stockholm in 2009.

So, Where the Fuck is Mehdi?

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2012 09:21 PM (9sUlj)

471 465, simple answer - jury nullification during the assualt trials should clear the problem up.

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 09:21 PM (oE4Sy)

472

GGE-

Automatics are acceptable in drag racers, especially an old 2-speed powerglide.

Just race a lot and your ok. Smoke the tires a bit off the line.

Posted by: GT 5.0 at July 19, 2012 09:21 PM (3W1+C)

473 Yep. The only group howling for world domination right now is the muzzies. If there's going to be a 10^9 war, it'll involve them. Posted by: GnuBreed at July 20, 2012 01:16 AM (cHZB7) The next 50+ years is rolling back islam. Europe is infested with it Multiculturism is HARD to push back on untill busses and subways get blown up The past is filled with violence, the future will be violent also buy more ammo

Posted by: Jake in ID at July 19, 2012 09:21 PM (RQjPS)

474 My fellow Jets fans have this long time joke:

"I parked my car at the mall and left two Jets season tickets on the front seat. When I came out of the mall, my car had been broken into. The stereo was gone and there were four Jets season tickets on the seat"

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 09:22 PM (Y7XKa)

475 ep. The only group howling for world domination right now is the muzzies. If there's going to be a 10^9 war, it'll involve them. Posted by: GnuBreed at July 20, 2012 01:16 AM (cHZB7) About 10^8 of them will be other Muzzies though.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 09:22 PM (rzSn3)

476 The US Military should not be a social experiment
Bitch!!!

Posted by: bradley manning's dick at July 19, 2012 09:23 PM (vDl/w)

477 They were going to have their swedish intelligence services watch over him those are the guys jazz hands is afraid of, right

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 09:24 PM (oE4Sy)

478 Chiefs at 10-6? Whoa

Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 01:20 AM (d/5qf)

Are you serious? I'm a Cowboys fan but I'm close enough to KC to know about the talent they have. They have really only one main weakness but it can be overcome. Too much talent there. They will fight it out with the Raiders and take the division mark my words. Granted since I'm in school I lurk more than I post, I'll still come back to remind you at seasons end.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 09:24 PM (ZOf1l)

479 467 447 Jake,

Yep. The only group howling for world domination right now is the muzzies. If there's going to be a 10^9 war, it'll involve them.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 20, 2012 01:16 AM (cHZB7)

Is it out of line to request that they sort out the intra-religionary issues re: Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Salafi, etc. before moving on to killing the non-believers? That should satisfy the "billion dead" mark that has been predicted while allowing civiliation to continue apace, as there is little that the modern muslim world contributes to societal advancement in general. I'm being generous with the "little" part. Where should the ~~JDAMs~~ requests be sent to reach those with maximum influence?

Posted by: StPatrick_TN was from Chicago Before Moving to Civilization at July 19, 2012 09:25 PM (czZib)

480 For me, I'm hoping Rizzo turns out to be a stud someday, so I can brag about how I saw his debut at Wrigley. Posted by: StPatrick_TN was from Chicago Before Moving to Civilization at July 20, 2012 01:15 AM

While he's pitching for the Yankees after he becomes eligible for free agency

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 09:26 PM (Y7XKa)

481 Cite? I know the V/STOL is behind schedule and having trouble, but I haven't heard that it was cancelled.

Posted by: Anachronda at July 20, 2012 01:18 AM (1c58W)

Hm, can't seem to find it...all I can find is reports that the engines have been canceled by Rolls. Maybe that's where I got confused.

http://tinyurl.com/cwmq6bk

http://tinyurl.com/cd6pc2r

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 09:26 PM (yh0zB)

482

473 ha!! my sister made MA2 by doing the same thing

i gave up Senior to leave at 20, don't regret it at all

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 19, 2012 09:26 PM (TvbvY)

483 or me, I'm hoping Rizzo turns out to be a stud someday, so I can brag about how I saw his debut at Wrigley. Posted by: StPatrick_TN was from Chicago Before Moving to Civilization at July 20, 2012 01:15 AM While he's pitching for the Yankees after he becomes eligible for free agency Posted by: kbdabear at July 20, 2012 01:26 AM (Y7XKa) Or the Braves like Maddox. Cubbies have the curse. Embrace it - now that both Sox have won, nobody gives a rats ass about them anymore.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 09:27 PM (rzSn3)

484 483 The US Military should not be a social experiment I'm really not hard-core anti-gay or anything, but the latest moves by DOD to endorse homosexuality in the military (see the San Diego Immaculate Exception) is fucking repulsive. It really is. And it pisses me off.

Posted by: Scobface at July 19, 2012 09:27 PM (IoNBC)

485 Sam Adams I don't really follow professional football, I just know that last season was pretty bad and so it seems like quite a turnaround to go to 10-6 this year

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 09:27 PM (d/5qf)

486 hope episode 3 of The Walking Dead game comes out soon

Posted by: The Dude at July 19, 2012 09:28 PM (tw6Ar)

487 For me, I'm hoping Rizzo turns out to be a stud someday, so I can brag about how I saw his debut at Wrigley.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN was from Chicago Before Moving to Civilization at July 20, 2012 01:15 AM

While he's pitching for the Yankees after he becomes eligible for free agency

Hey, are the Cubs joining us in becoming the Major League's new Minor League team? Great! I'll set the table.

Posted by: Your Kansas City Royals at July 19, 2012 09:28 PM (ZOf1l)

488 482 Oldcat,

Good point. Maybe even 10^8.9 will be internecine.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 19, 2012 09:28 PM (cHZB7)

489 Is it out of line to request that they sort out the intra-religionary issues re: Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Salafi, etc. before moving on tokilling thenon-believers? ....... Posted by: StPatrick_TN was from Chicago Before Moving to Civilization at July 20, 2012 01:25 AM (czZib) yes, muzzies kill more of themselves than us westerners, BUT While they are slaughtering each other in inter-mural frackeses they want to kill us more! than they want to kill each other....

Posted by: Jake in ID at July 19, 2012 09:29 PM (RQjPS)

490 457 I liked the Stolen Valor act, but in the age of the internet all those little snots pretending to be soldiers are eventually found out.

I couldn't hack it in the military and I'd never pretend to. Anyone who does deserves all the mockery and contempt they receive.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 20, 2012 01:14 AM (r4wIV)

There were many problems with the Stolen Valor Act -- among them, that valor can never be stolen....merely pretended. It also erred by going after the speech, which the SCOTUS rightfully declared as protected. Instead, the Pretended Valor Act should have focused on the results of such pretending -- (1) Any benefit granted to someone who falsely self-identifies as a current or former vet constitutes fraud, and can be reclaimed threefold by the grantor; (2) All injuries suffered by such a fraudster at the hands of actual current or former vets are hereby declared as "accidentally falling down the stairs" -- regardless of whether there were any actual stairs in the vicinity.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 19, 2012 09:29 PM (kaalw)

491

The next 50+ years is rolling back islam.

Europe is infested with it

Multiculturism is HARD to push back on untill busses and subways get blown up

The past is filled with violence, the future will be violent also

buy more ammo

Burma-Shave

Posted by: Jake in ID at July 20, 2012 01:21 AM (RQjPS)

Just because.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN was from Chicago Before Moving to Civilization at July 19, 2012 09:29 PM (czZib)

492 Sam Adams I don't really follow professional football, I just know that last season was pretty bad and so it seems like quite a turnaround to go to 10-6 this year Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 01:27 AM (d/5qf) They had a crapload of injuries - like all their QBs were hurt at once, plus WR, RB...they had zero offense. On the other hand, the D might well have been playing above their heads in all those 9-7 games. I think the Raiders will take a step back, and God will curse the Broncos for trading Tebow. Someone has to win the division.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 09:29 PM (rzSn3)

493 Automatics are acceptable in drag racers, especially an old 2-speed powerglide.
Just race a lot and your ok. Smoke the tires a bit off the line.

Posted by: GT 5.0 at July 20, 2012 01:21 AM (3W1+C)

LOL, and it does have the 412 HP 5.0, so there is that...it's a convertible though, just a top down cruising car. If I wanted a play car I'd have gotten the base model coupe with the Brembo brakes and put a handling kit on it.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 09:30 PM (yh0zB)

494 Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 01:27 AM (d/5qf)

It will happen, the AFC West sucks ass again.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 09:30 PM (ZOf1l)

495 Are you serious? I'm a Cowboys fan but I'm close enough to KC to know about the talent they have. They have really only one main weakness but it can be overcome. Too much talent there. They will fight it out with the Raiders and take the division mark my words. Granted since I'm in school I lurk more than I post, I'll still come back to remind you at seasons end.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 20, 2012 01:24 AM

The Chiefs were 10-6 for 2010. I don't see the Raiders as serious contenders unless McFadden can play 16 games and the Bengals were wrong about Carson Palmer being washed up

ESPN claims that Peyton Manning is back based on watching him throw in non contact 7 on 7 spring camp drills. He was starting to decline noticeably in 2010, and he's 36 now with an operation to sew his head back on

The Bolts? No matter how much talent they have, Norv Turner will find a way to grab defeat from the jaws of victory

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 09:32 PM (Y7XKa)

496 so how do the Steelers look this year?

(that is my real favorite team)

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 09:34 PM (d/5qf)

497 so how do the Steelers look this year?

(that is my real favorite team)

Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 01:34 AM (d/5qf)

still no o-line nor rb

Posted by: The Dude at July 19, 2012 09:35 PM (tw6Ar)

498 >>>>It also erred by going after the speech, which the SCOTUS rightfully declared as protected I differ. Give to Caesar what is Ceasar's. The military decoration is an absolute jurisdiction of the sovereign since the beginning of time. By what convention could you ever claim that "free speech" applies o military decoration when it has always been the sole pervue of the sovereign? No twisting of any logic places the right to impersonate military decoration in the hands of the people.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 09:36 PM (GE1+K)

499 Posted by: Scobface at July 20, 2012 01:27 AM (IoNBC)

It pisses just about everyone off including Veterans like myself. You don't need to preface your anger with anything resembling "I've got nothing against gays." True conservatives don't give a shit who you diddle in the privacy of your own bedroom as long as it involves consenting adults. I'm sick of shit being forced upon us by activists who know that no one will dare speak against it for fear of being ostracized. We are becoming a nation of cowards, just not in the way that nimble-brained pussy of an attorney general thinks.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 09:36 PM (ZOf1l)

500 The Chiefs were 10-6 for 2010. I don't see the Raiders as serious contenders unless McFadden can play 16 games and the Bengals were wrong about Carson Palmer being washed up Posted by: kbdabear at July 20, 2012 01:32 AM (Y7XKa) Carson has some skills - sadly one of them is the pick-6. He was better than the hell of Kyle Boller, and probably still is better than the junk they played there before. He's not a team leader though. Bengals found that out. So he will get the offense going, and also give the defense some chances to hurt them back. Job is having the offense be able to overcome the mistakes.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 09:37 PM (rzSn3)

501 so how do the Steelers look this year?

(that is my real favorite team)

Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 01:34 AM (d/5qf)

still no o-line nor rb
Posted by: The Dude at July 20, 2012 01:35 AM

They drafted two studs for the O-Line with their first two picks. Isaac Redman can replace Mendenhall easily

The only concern is that they're a bit long in the tooth on defense

Posted by: kbdabear at July 19, 2012 09:39 PM (Y7XKa)

502 so how do the Steelers look this year? (that is my real favorite team) Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2012 01:34 AM (d/5qf) still no o-line nor rb Posted by: The Dude at July 20, 2012 01:35 AM (tw6Ar) They drafted a couple of rookies, who may help. On hte other hand Ben might be going to pieces from the pounding. Is the defense falling apart faster than the o line built up?

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 09:39 PM (rzSn3)

503 We are becoming a nation of cowards, just not in the way that nimble-brained pussy of an attorney general thinks.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 20, 2012 01:36 AM (ZOf1l)

Well said.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 09:39 PM (yh0zB)

504 okay good night all

Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2012 09:40 PM (d/5qf)

505 Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 20, 2012 01:36 AM (ZOf1l) Agree that we're becoming a nation of cowards. I'm a vet, too, and that may be why I find this particular iteration of PC shit so offensive. I've never in my life mistreated anyone on account of their sexual orientation, unless by "mistreatment" you include failure to say something like, "Yeah, dude--suck a dick--it's the American way." I admit that I've never done that.

Posted by: Scobface at July 19, 2012 09:42 PM (IoNBC)

506 505 >>>>It also erred by going after the speech, which the SCOTUS rightfully declared as protected

I differ. Give to Caesar what is Ceasar's. The military decoration is an absolute jurisdiction of the sovereign since the beginning of time. By what convention could you ever claim that "free speech" applies o military decoration when it has always been the sole pervue of the sovereign? No twisting of any logic places the right to impersonate military decoration in the hands of the people.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 01:36 AM (GE1+K)

Think about John F'ing Kerry and his bullshit "throwing medals over the White House fence" story. That's free speech.....and he should be called on it and ridiculed thoroughly. Or Sandra Fluke being an expert on female exploitation. The world is full of bullshit, but the government does a lousy job at sorting "truth" from lies.

So, let them stick to their core competency -- process. Let people say, "he said he was a vet so I bought him a beer, then I found out otherwise" and get three beers with the public humiliation of of the attendant mockery.....and if the guy bumps into a couple of vets on his way out the door, trips over a shoelace and falls into a dumpster....c'est la vie. A couple of such interludes would surely educate such a blowhard as to the virtues of silence.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 19, 2012 09:45 PM (kaalw)

507 If the Stolen Valor act is unconstitutional, can individuals also freely claim to be police officers? IRS agents?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 09:46 PM (AUeaU)

508 The world is full of bullshit, but the government does a lousy job at sorting "truth" from lies.
***
Isn't this the same government that runs the criminal justice system?

Whether or not you won a medal is an easy fact to determine, and well within the government's core competencies.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 09:48 PM (AUeaU)

509 Fucking Roberts. Fuck him.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 19, 2012 09:48 PM (I2LwF)

510 Isn't this the same government that runs the criminal justice system? Whether or not you won a medal is an easy fact to determine, and well within the government's core competencies. Posted by: 18-1 at July 20, 2012 01:48 AM (AUeaU) So is finding out if you are in the country legally. If the government don't wanna do it, a law won't make them these days.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 19, 2012 09:49 PM (rzSn3)

511 Never served. Just had the misfortune to run into retired military types in the private sector (a lot of Navy assholes, as it turns out) when I was in my 20's - 30's who were good mentors to me. I kid when I say, 'misfortune'. "Deety, why would you even listen to that asshole's line of bullshit? He obviously doesn't even understand swimtimes much less he was a goddamn SEAL!" "Yeah, but who the hell else was I going to sell that ridiculous fucking dive-knife to?" "That knife was cool as hell and very expensive!" "Cool as hell to a Submariner, I suppose... But don't you dare get the owners of this shop to purchace another one like this. You are an investor, I make $7.50 per hour and I just moved a $245 investment for $600 only because I think the knife is crap and that douchebage deserved to get hosed! "Really? You think the knife sucks?" "Oh yeah, I KNOW it does...and here's why...

Posted by: Deety at July 19, 2012 09:50 PM (e65BZ)

512 Posted by: 18-1 at July 20, 2012 01:46 AM (AUeaU)

Well, that depends on what the non-vet is trying to do. If you freely claim you are a police officer or IRS agent and then attempt to perform duties associated with real cops and agents and then attempt to arrest or audit, then that is not only a problem but a serious crime with nefarious intent. Some dumbass with daddy issues who wants to be considered cool by claiming he's a vet is a big difference than some dumbass with daddy issues pulling over some chick who wouldn't give him the time of day pretending he's a cop.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 09:52 PM (ZOf1l)

513 514 If the Stolen Valor act is unconstitutional, can individuals also freely claim to be police officers? IRS agents?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 20, 2012 01:46 AM

Why not, I tell people I'm an NFL quarterback

Posted by: Rex Grossman at July 19, 2012 09:54 PM (Y7XKa)

514 Posted by: Deety at July 20, 2012 01:50 AM (e65BZ) I found that some, but certainly not all, military people developed a highly-refined ability to cut through anybody's horseshit. It's one of the things I still really admire about them.

Posted by: Scobface at July 19, 2012 09:56 PM (IoNBC)

515 If the Stolen Valor act is unconstitutional, can individuals also freely claim to be police officers? IRS agents?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 20, 2012 01:46 AM

Why not, I tell people I'm an NFL quarterback

Posted by: Rex Grossman at July 20, 2012 01:54 AM (Y7XKa)

You're a pussy. I won a Super Bowl ring doing that shit.

Posted by: Trent Dilfer at July 19, 2012 09:58 PM (ZOf1l)

516 So is finding out if you are in the country legally.

If the government don't wanna do it, a law won't make them these days.
***
The governing elite is indeed lawless. But that doesn't change the fact that it would not be difficult to enforce the law if they wanted to.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 09:58 PM (AUeaU)

517 I think you are all missing a critical point in the right of speech. Military decorations are in heritage government identification or performing a certain act and being duly recognized they are the sovereigns speech. They are both distinctive and limmited as to *not* be a limmit to expression. But to provide proper identification of recognized valor. No right of free speech exists which supersedes this sovereign right.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 10:00 PM (GE1+K)

518 Help me get this sorted out ... It is okay to march in uniform in a gay pride parade, but it is against the rules to go to a My Little Pony event wearing a uniform? That is just outrageous! Those little pony's never made anyone sick, mostly, and they didn't make me and you spend billions and billions of dollars (how much money exactly?) looking for a cure for a plague! Support your local Ponies!

Posted by: and irresolute at July 19, 2012 10:01 PM (Q492A)

519 Good evening. I'm lurking and sipping wine. This thread was awesome until the serious discussion got in the way. Talk about something interesting. Hottest lay you ever had. That's the ticket. Everyone loves pussy. And...GO!

Posted by: Robert at July 19, 2012 10:01 PM (HWUv9)

520 Some dumbass with daddy issues who wants to be considered cool by claiming he's a vet is a big difference than some dumbass with daddy issues pulling over some chick who wouldn't give him the time of day pretending he's a cop.
***
But the "Constitutional" issue is the same.

If you can lie that the government gave you a CMOH, you can lie that the government gave you a badge.

Now, if you attempt to physically arrest someone, that is certainky different - touching someone is rather a different matter then making a statement. But lying that you are a cop and getting people to do things solely because you lied about it should be just as protected as lying about your status as a veteran.

Either the Constitution allows no restrictions on clear, factual lies about your status with the government or it allows any restrictions on such clear, factual lies. It does not ban some and allow some others others.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,

There is no special exception for cops.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 10:05 PM (AUeaU)

521 "Cool as hell to a Submariner, I suppose... Don't get me started about knives, asshole. There are very, VERY cheap knives that work just as well as the multiple-hundred-dollar knives labelled as "tactical' or "SEAL-Team Whatever the Fuck." I tell people, "Why do you want to pay for a knife that some marketing asshole claims is a "Special Ops" knife, when you can buy the same thing for 1/10 the price under a different label?

Posted by: Scobface at July 19, 2012 10:06 PM (IoNBC)

522 Talk about something interesting. Hottest lay you ever had.

That's the ticket.

Everyone loves pussy.

And...GO!

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 02:01 AM (HWUv9)

Well.....I did it in an operating sauna once. I don't care how beautiful and willing the girl is, I won't be doing *that* again.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 19, 2012 10:07 PM (kaalw)

523 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 02:00 AM (GE1+K)

I think it's wrong and pathetic but I don't agree. Lying is as old as the human race, but with a nation that allows lying so long as it does not infringe upon the rights of a free people is quite common. Not defending it, but it happens everyday without consequence. (See Obama and the media.) I could tell you that I'm a gold glove third baseman with the Cincinnati Reds and be lying through my teeth and you can call me on it. But as long as I don't assume the identity of Scott Rolen, then I'm just a lying asshole.

Posted by: Trent Dilfer at July 19, 2012 10:07 PM (ZOf1l)

524 Fucking loser QB sock.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 10:09 PM (ZOf1l)

525 You know I say "asshole" like a Viking, right?

Posted by: Scobface at July 19, 2012 10:09 PM (IoNBC)

526 The Chinese can't even take Taiwan (yet), let alone Oregon.

According to the Xbox game Homefront, we really need to watch the Norks.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 19, 2012 10:10 PM (Asr6U)

527 Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 02:01 AM (HWUv9)

You talking about hottest only or weirdest? I don't think I can share on the weirdest part.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 10:11 PM (ZOf1l)

528 I was 22 and freshly seperated from the first wife, she was 19, a brunette with the most awesome green eyes, cheerleader and beauty pagent contestant. I couldn't stop staring at them and I'd turn red everytime she looked at me.

I remarked to my buddy that the only thing she needed to be perfect was red hair.

The next time I saw her, she sported a mane of auburn locks. I found out soon after that she could put her feet behind her head.

And yeah. It was all that.

Six months later it was over and I still don't quite know why, but I suspect it was my fault. Freshly seperated/divorced men do not make good companions.

If she's fat and gray with ten kids now I don't want to know about it, because in my mind she is still just as perfect now as she was then.

NEXT!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 10:11 PM (yh0zB)

529 Oh, and does anyone seriously believe that when the Bill of Rights was being written that it was intended to protect someone lying about receiving a medal?

No?

That it cannot be unconstitutional....

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 10:12 PM (AUeaU)

530 Talk about something interesting. Hottest lay you ever had.
***
Ms Scarlett in the Drawing Room with the Candlestick.

Posted by: Col. Mustard at July 19, 2012 10:13 PM (AUeaU)

531 Okay, Mike the Moose, What do you say about those there, those happy few at Agincourt? I'd bet more than a few of them were rapists, pillagers and at best oppurtunistic looters of dead bodies that couldn't hack it robbing live people on Albion's shores.

Posted by: Deety at July 19, 2012 10:14 PM (e65BZ)

532 Oh, and does anyone seriously believe that when the Bill of Rights was being written that it was intended to protect someone lying about receiving a medal?

Yeah it was.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 10:14 PM (ZOf1l)

533 Posted by: Col. Mustard at July 20, 2012 02:13 AM (AUeaU) You get the lead pipe in the kitchen from the butler, bitch.

Posted by: Scobface at July 19, 2012 10:14 PM (IoNBC)

534 Lying may be, but lying ad-infintium has never been a right. You freedom of expression ends when it harms the right of others. Specifically in this case of a sovereigns right to identify the valorous. You making the claim that you have been so awarded restricts the free speech of he sovereign to make such awards.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 10:14 PM (GE1+K)

535 *poke*

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 10:20 PM (yh0zB)

536 Yeah it was.
****
Oh lordy. Are people seriously so unversed on history?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 10:21 PM (AUeaU)

537 You freedom of expression ends when it harms the right of others. Specifically in this case of a sovereigns right to identify the valorous. You making the claim that you have been so awarded restricts the free speech of he sovereign to make such awards.

I never disagreed with the freedom of expression ends when it harms the right of others. That's the biggest point of the argument. You can say to anyone that you were the biggest war hero of WW2, but if you claimed to be Audie Murphy then you can go to jail. There's the distinction, unless you make a false claim on a job app or legal document that you were awarded something you weren't. Whether you like it or not, our Constitution protects fucking assholes so long as the fucking assholes don't say they are someone else or sign/lie on a document that prohibits them from lying.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 10:22 PM (ZOf1l)

538 >>>I'd bet more than a few of them were rapists, pillagers and at best oppurtunistic looters of dead bodies that couldn't hack it robbing live people on Albion's shores If they cut he mustard at agincourt and were so recognized is it not the sovereigns right to do so? Really a few colored strips of cloth, shiny bits of brass, notable words of reverence, we cannot recognize even these as off limits for the sake of valor? From where do you believe that you have a right to claim your sovereigns name without reprise?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 10:22 PM (GE1+K)

539 What if there existed something like 1-800-MEDAL. How fucking hard does this have to be?

Posted by: Scobface at July 19, 2012 10:24 PM (IoNBC)

540 Whether you like it or not, our Constitution protects fucking assholes so long as the fucking assholes don't say they are someone else or sign/lie on a document that prohibits them from lying.
***
So I can claim to be a cop then, right?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 10:28 PM (AUeaU)

541 >>> Whether you like it or not, our Constitution protects fucking assholes so long as the fucking assholes don't say they are someone else or sign/lie on a document that prohibits them from lying. My point was the Government has a right to recognize valor. It has since all of time, making false cliams in their name infringes on that right. Just as if you made false claims in my name whether you benefitted or not, that spoiled the value of my actual commentary. You have harmed me in a way you had no right to do.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 10:28 PM (GE1+K)

542 From where do you believe that you have a right to claim your sovereigns name without reprise?

You don't so long as you don't assume an identity that is not yours. CMOH recipients are listed as public information. If my name is Fred Smith and I'm a lying shitweasel and claim to be on that list and it is proven that I'm not on that list, then Fred Smith should get his ass kicked as a fucking liar. But what crime did he commit? He didn't say he was an actual CMOH recipient and assume the actual recipient's identity. Or Purple Hearts for that matter. All Purple Heart recipients are public record as well I believe.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 10:29 PM (ZOf1l)

543 So I can claim to be a cop then, right?

Sure, as long as you don't assume a cop's duties or claim to be a cop to infringe upon the rights of others.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 10:31 PM (ZOf1l)

544 I've been fucking Lady Liberty... a lot... and plan to keep on taxing that ass til at least January.

After that, I'm dropping the pretense of liking women, and retreating back to the anonymous glory holes of Chicago.

Posted by: SCOAMF at July 19, 2012 10:32 PM (dKmiq)

545 I won three Medals of Honor. I went up the towers on 9/11 with the NYCFD. I was with the 1st Marines in Korea. I was the first sonofabitch to scale Point du Hoc. Oh, 1-800-MEDAL? Never mind.

Posted by: Scobface at July 19, 2012 10:33 PM (IoNBC)

546 Sure, as long as you don't assume a cop's duties or claim to be a cop to infringe upon the rights of others.
***
Both state and federal law clearly disagree with you

Here is Maine's law for example;
Â§457. Impersonating a public servant 1. A person is guilty of impersonating a public servant if he falsely pretends to be a public servant and engages in any conduct in that capacity with the intent to deceive anyone. 2. It is no defense to a prosecution under this section that the office the person pretended to hold did not in fact exist. 3. Impersonating a public servant is a Class E crime.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 10:34 PM (AUeaU)

547 541 Lying may be, but lying ad-infintium has never been a right. You freedom of expression ends when it harms the right of others. Specifically in this case of a sovereigns right to identify the valorous. You making the claim that you have been so awarded restricts the free speech of he sovereign to make such awards.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 02:14 AM (GE1+K)

Uh WTH is this sovereign jibberjabber you keep mentioning?

We're a democratic republic and the constitution is the supreme law of the land. It doesn't matter what happened in other places or even here before 1789 - if it's not constitutional, it's not happening. Period.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 10:35 PM (xROTy)

548 You have harmed me in a way you had no right to do.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 02:28 AM (GE1+K)

Mike, I agree with you that it is despicable. I'm a Vet myself and would never even think to tell someone that I am something I'm not. I even had a conversation with a VA rep who told me that I should be applying for benefits, and I told her that I was a peacetime Vet and that in my opinion those benefits should be reserved for combat Vets. I have never asked the VA for anything and I'm proud of that. But I would do anything in my power to get a combat Vet to seek assistance with the VA if that is what they want.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 10:36 PM (ZOf1l)

549 >>>public information That's not important. Not every award is, and I. My mind each and every one is, (and historically has been) a seal, or signature of the awarding authority. They used to put the charges on shields as part of a coat of arms. Any time you make a claim to a charge unawarded, you diminish it's value, a value that belongs o the sovereign, and their is justice in punishing you for stealing.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 10:37 PM (GE1+K)

550 It doesn't matter what happened in other places or even here before 1789 - if it's not constitutional, it's not happening. Period. Then yell fire in a crowded theater ass.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 10:38 PM (GE1+K)

551 Sure, as long as you don't assume a cop's duties or claim to be a cop to infringe upon the rights of others.

1.
A person is guilty of impersonating a public servant if he falsely pretends to be a public servant and engages in any conduct
in that capacity with the intent to deceive anyone.

Explain to me the difference between what I said and what section 1 says. Make sure you read the second half of that sentence.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 10:39 PM (ZOf1l)

552 Then yell fire in a crowded theater ass.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 02:38 AM (GE1+K)

Uh you do know that yelling fire in a crowded theater is NOT constitutionally protected free speech right?

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 10:41 PM (xROTy)

553
Oh, and does anyone seriously believe that when the Bill of Rights was

being written that it was intended to protect someone lying about

receiving a medal?

Yeah it was.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 20, 2012 02:14

We keep forgetting that dueling was legal and an accepted practice when the Constitution was written. If someone called them on a pathetic lie like "I won the Silver Star and was a SEAL in the Army," they could be challenged to a duel. Now, if you so much as muss the lying bastard's hair, much less drop him down the stairs, you will likely go to jail.

If there was dueling, everyone would be much more polite.

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2012 10:42 PM (9sUlj)

554

I hate to lurch the ONT back to politics but here's a disturbing thread from the Ulsterman Report that implies the election in Nov won't take place...

http://tinyurl.com/6semexd

Posted by: zeera at July 19, 2012 10:42 PM (XtxRN)

555 A person is guilty of impersonating a public
servant if he falsely pretends to be a public servant and engages in any
conduct in that capacity with the intent to deceive anyone.

This still wouldn't cover telling a hot blonde at the bar that you're a cop. Or BSing people at a cocktail party. The key phrase here is 'conduct in that capacity'.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 10:43 PM (xROTy)

556 I hate this formatting

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2012 10:43 PM (9sUlj)

557 Ok maet would it be OK for he govt to trademark all the awards then sue you till you pulled your fillings out if you ever falsely used one? Those awards belong to the government. You don't get to use them. Any more than you can use someone else's nme.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 10:44 PM (GE1+K)

558 I even had a conversation with a VA rep who told me that I should be applying for benefits, and I told her that I was a peacetime Vet and that in my opinion those benefits should be reserved for combat Vets. I had problems with my feet and ankles in the Army. When I separated I was told I should apply for disability. I told the guy, "Disability is for the guys who got shot at. There were a couple of close calls, but I never got shot at." He said, "You're being stupid. You could easily get a 25% disability that would mean a check every month for the rest of your life." I said, "I won't apply for it, because I don't want it." I've always had problems with my feet and ankles, but I've never regretted telling him that.

Posted by: Scobface at July 19, 2012 10:46 PM (IoNBC)

559 564 Ok maet would it be OK for he govt to trademark all the awards then sue you till you pulled your fillings out if you ever falsely used one?

Those awards belong to the government. You don't get to use them. Any more than you can use someone else's nme.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 02:44 AM (GE1+K)

The key word is 'use' which implies some kind of action with a quantifiable benefit e.g. such using your medals claim to get people to invest in your business.

It's still constitutional to be a bullshiter.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 10:48 PM (xROTy)

560
Explain to me the difference between what I said and what section 1 says. Make sure you read the second half of that sentence.
***
The law throughout the country, as for example Maine's law, makes it illegal to claim to be a cop (or many other types of officials) by sheer nature of making the claim with the intent to deceive, again read Maine's law. That's it - you don't need anything more then a false claim that is intended to deceive.

Now the SC is claiming that the government can throw you in jail for claiming you have a badge (and people are indeed arrested solely for claiming to be a cop), but not for claiming you have a medal.

The legislature has the power to make that distinction, the courts do not.

Actually, I'd love to see a elected official with some balls just start arresting these medal claimers under the pre-existing laws. Make medal holders a class of unpaid, permanent government official. Dare the 5 leftists in the SC to take their ruling to its ultimate conclusion.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 10:49 PM (AUeaU)

561 561, you have to read ulsterman with the same tinfoil hat that you need over at zerohedge

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 10:50 PM (oE4Sy)

562 Posted by: rd at July 20, 2012 02:42 AM (9sUlj)

No disrespect intended, but I don't know what you meant by that.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 10:50 PM (ZOf1l)

563 >>>The key word is 'use' which implies some kind of action with a quantifiable benefit No maet use means do anything that might devalue the property whether you gain or not. You aren't big on law are you?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 10:51 PM (GE1+K)

564 Hell 18, pay them

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 10:51 PM (oE4Sy)

565 >>>ulsterman with the same tinfoil hat that you need over at zerohedge O hell no, I need an extra roll of Reynolds for that trash.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 10:52 PM (GE1+K)

566 I'm Ok with dueling

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 10:52 PM (oE4Sy)

567 Posted by: 18-1 at July 20, 2012 02:49 AM (AUeaU)

Look, since I haven't posted as much as I used to do, then I'm going to cut and paste a simple sentence by Maet which explains so much easier than what I have been trying to explain.

"It's still constitutional to be a bullshiter."

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 10:53 PM (ZOf1l)

568 570 >>>The key word is 'use' which implies some kind of action with a quantifiable benefit

No maet use means do anything that might devalue the property whether you gain or not. You aren't big on law are you?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 02:51 AM (GE1+K)

Yeah but in a civil case to get any damages you generally have to show some kind of harm. A vague claim of general devaluing probably won't cut it.

Plus I reject the idea that just making a BS claim about having a medal is 'using' it.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 10:55 PM (xROTy)

569 rd, Stockholm bows to Malmo. They just *think* that they are masturbating themselves into a "cohesive sociall" nirvana. I don't even pretend to understand "cohesiveness" as a social virtue but I'm pretty sure that their muslim poulatiom doesn't see the end result the way they do. I guess we have to wait on the Danes again. Crap. 2000 years of Western History and I'm hoping for the murderous, no written culture, godammned DANES? to invafe England again.?

Posted by: Deety at July 19, 2012 10:55 PM (e65BZ)

570 "It's still constitutional to be a bullshiter."; OK, but can we get the dueling part back

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 10:55 PM (oE4Sy)

571 >>>It's still constitutional to be a bullshiter Like most simplistics it's largely true but specifically false.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 10:56 PM (GE1+K)

572 Tried to go online to pay my cable/internet bill. My internet provider's website is crashed.

This gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 10:57 PM (yh0zB)

573 Deety, I have no idea what you are talking about, but if it involves going viking - Im in

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 10:58 PM (oE4Sy)

574
This still wouldn't cover telling a hot blonde at the bar that you're a cop.
***
People are indeed arrested for claiming to be a cop, or other such official regularly. Google it.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 10:59 PM (AUeaU)

575 Or you could look at it this way. Charles Manson claimed he was Jesus Christ reincarnated. Did he go to prison for that claim or did he go to prison for being responsible for the deaths of at least 9 people in the Los Angeles area?

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 11:00 PM (ZOf1l)

576 Eh, Mike the Moose... Sorry, tring to post in ablog using a Nook... What do you mean by sovreingity?

Posted by: Deety at July 19, 2012 11:00 PM (e65BZ)

577 This gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2012 02:57 AM (yh0zB) What do you feel after clicking this? http://tinyurl.com/brxrufj

Posted by: Robert at July 19, 2012 11:00 PM (HWUv9)

578 569, see my 560 post. I tried cut and paste special no format into Word and ended up with the mess in 560.

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2012 11:00 PM (9sUlj)

579 "It's still constitutional to be a bullshiter."
***
Any number of people are in jail at this moment for any number of lies of various sorts.

There is no constitutional right to be a bullshitter.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 11:01 PM (AUeaU)

580 >>>Yeah but in a civil case to get any damages you generally have to show some kind of harm. A vague claim of general devaluing probably won't cut it. Plus I reject the idea that just making a BS claim about having a medal is 'using' it. Yes but if every person claimed to be a MOH recipient that claim would be worthless, therefore every false claim therein demonstrates to diminish that value. When you use a trademark the burden of proof lies on you to prove harmless. As the very use is prima facie that you have caused harm.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 11:01 PM (GE1+K)

581 This still wouldn't cover telling a hot blonde at the bar that you're a cop.
***
People are indeed arrested for claiming to be a cop, or other such official regularly. Google it.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 20, 2012 02:59 AM (AUeaU)

Well arrested perhaps but I'm betting that if they were convicted, it was because they were claiming to be a cop and acting like one or getting someone else to do something based on their claim.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 11:02 PM (xROTy)

582 587, that sounds right, but why cant we just beat them and rely on the jury to laugh the assualt charges out of court

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 11:03 PM (oE4Sy)

583 What do you feel after clicking this?

http://tinyurl.com/brxrufj

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 03:00 AM (HWUv9)

Warmer. And fuzzier.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:03 PM (yh0zB)

584 This gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2012 02:57 AM (yh0zB) What do you feel after clicking this? http://tinyurl.com/brxrufj Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 03:00 AM (HWUv9) And this. http://tinyurl.com/bvdnj9n

Posted by: Robert at July 19, 2012 11:04 PM (HWUv9)

585 572 The trash being Ulsterman or ZH?

Posted by: zeera at July 19, 2012 11:04 PM (XtxRN)

586 What do you mean by sovreingity I'm in an iPad. Don't worry. It just means the sovereign reprentative reserves the right to award military honors for valor. Traditionally hey are both limited and distinctive so as to not infringe upon lattitudes for personal identification. They remain so to this day.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 11:05 PM (GE1+K)

587 Charles Manson claimed he was Jesus Christ reincarnated.
***
There is no law against claiming to be a religious figure, and such a law, considering the history of religion, would be a serious violation of the freedom of religion.

Now, if he had a fake badge? Yep, that would be 1 more year of his multi-lifetime sentence.

California Penal Code Section 538d

Any person, other than the one who by law is given the authority of a peace officer, who willfully wears, exhibits, or uses the badge of a peace officer with the intent of fraudulently impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently inducing the belief that he or she is a peace officer, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 11:05 PM (AUeaU)

588 I like this one too.

http://tinyurl.com/brp4dzv

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:06 PM (yh0zB)

589 Fears of a Chinese naval war are looking at it the wrong way. China's navy will be used in conjunction with shore based planes and missiles to keep the US Navy at bay, but won't try and engage us in a pitched battle.

If I were the Chinese, my goal would be to build up my influence in key areas of the world, with an eye to eventually placing planes and anti ship missiles where they can disrupt the ability of the US Navy to respond quickly to a crisis.

I still believe that the Chinese will try to expand into Central Asia. The resources available have to be tempting, and it's a lot easier to move a million man army across the mountains than it is to try and float it to Taiwan. In this case, Chinese troops and equipment based in Africa and elsewhere would act as sacrificial stones, used to force the US to respond away from the main Chinese goal.

Posted by: Alex at July 19, 2012 11:06 PM (3+RPg)

590 Any number of people are in jail at this moment for any number of lies of various sorts.

There is no constitutional right to be a bullshitter.

Okay, what did they lie about? Did they commit perjury? Did they lie on a legal document? Did they profess to be someone they weren't in the commission of a crime? Did they say they weren't going to copy a DVD but they did? Those are crimes that they violated that can in some weird perverse way infringe upon the rights of others. If I gave my real name and told someone I won the CMOH and someone called me on it then I'm an asshole. If I signed a document with my real name and made the same claim then I'm fucked. Or once again, if I claimed to be an actual recipient then I am fucked.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 11:07 PM (ZOf1l)

591 *Tbis entire thread. Post and all....

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 19, 2012 11:07 PM (85ktp)

592 >>>What do you feel after clicking this? Too much fabric

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 11:07 PM (GE1+K)

593 So we are arguing that the guy in the article should be punished not for dishonoring our heroes, but for misrepresenting himself as distinguished so he could get free cookies and a bus ride to a dam?

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 11:08 PM (oE4Sy)

594 And this.

http://tinyurl.com/bvdnj9n

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 03:04 AM (HWUv9)

Yep, shes's a cutie. How about this one?

http://tinyurl.com/7ervegk

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:11 PM (yh0zB)

595 Did I break the blog

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 11:11 PM (oE4Sy)

596 Yes but if every person claimed to be a MOH recipient that claim would be worthless, therefore every false claim therein demonstrates to diminish that value.

When you use a trademark the burden of proof lies on you to
prove harmless. As the very use is prima facie that you have caused harm.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 03:01 AM (GE1+K)

Well the term MOH or any other award is not copyrighted so this whole discussion is ultimately moot.

And if every person claimed to own 100lbs of gold in their basement, that might diminish the market value of your actual gold. But I doubt you could sue for any damages for BSing about their gold stash.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 11:11 PM (xROTy)

597 ahh I see everyone is tied up

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2012 11:11 PM (oE4Sy)

598 Well arrested perhaps but I'm betting that if they were convicted, it was because they were claiming to be a cop and acting like one or getting someone else to do something based on their claim.

That is irrelevant.

If freedom of speech includes the right to falsely claim to have a government issued citation, it also includes the right to falsely claim to have a government issued badge. If people act in the way you want them to based on your lie, well, apparently tough luck for them in the Roberts-era.

There is no text in the Constitution, or anywhere else in the documents of the founders' era that supports such a bizarrely limited exception to the actual text.

Now, the legislature can certainly distinguish between the two types of lies if it chooses. And it did. And the Supreme Court then superseded their law with its own.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 11:12 PM (AUeaU)

599 How about this one? http://tinyurl.com/7ervegk Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2012 03:11 AM (yh0zB) She's facing the wrong way. And also she's not in my lap. Squirming.

Posted by: Robert at July 19, 2012 11:13 PM (HWUv9)

600 >>>So we are arguing that the guy in the article should be punished not for dishonoring our heroes, but for misrepresenting himself as distinguished so he could get free cookies and a bus ride to a dam? Well for the libertarians of the bunch. Yes having a military award has a value, that in fact belongs to the US govt, and that using it without their permission devalues it, and is therefore an abridgment of the governments rights. The othe side is, why do they want it to have value? So that they can give permission to use it to those that they deem have earned, so that those individuals may enjoy its rewards and values. This all lies within the Constitution. I don't understand why some folks don't understand why distinctive markings (TM) are off limmits.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 11:14 PM (GE1+K)

601 Posted by: 18-1 at July 20, 2012 03:05 AM (AUeaU)

Didn't the Supremes decide on this issue and that is what everyone is pissed about? The US Supreme court has jurisprudence over any California law if they decide to take it into consideration. And, I might add, a guy bragging to a girl in a bar that he is a cop is very hard to prove versus a guy using his car with cop lights to pull over the same girl to rape her. Granted the rape is a felony and the guy bragging is a misdemeanor in California, but there is a huge difference. I'm sure that there is some ordinance in California somewhere that doesn't allow you to smoke in your apartment, but again it is a misdemeanor and highly unlikely to make it to the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 11:15 PM (ZOf1l)

602 How about that new Wendys girl?

http://tinyurl.com/6lpwxkp

hawt...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:15 PM (yh0zB)

603 And also she's not in my lap. Squirming.

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 03:13 AM (HWUv9)

^^^^ this ^^^^

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:16 PM (yh0zB)

604 How about that new Wendys girl?

It's not the best picture of her, but in the commercials she's cute as a button! Of course, she's not a real redhead.

Posted by: Alex at July 19, 2012 11:17 PM (3+RPg)

605
Okay, what did they lie about?
***
Having a badge.

Which is not in any way constitutionally different from claiming to have medal.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech

Nothing about government office holders having a special status.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 11:18 PM (AUeaU)

606 >>>And if every person claimed to own 100lbs of gold in their basement, that might diminish the market value of your actual gold. But I doubt you could sue for any damages for BSing about their gold stash Yes but you didn't invent gold and trademark it so only folks who you said had gold, actually had it. If you did false claims would be damaging to you. Try again

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 11:18 PM (GE1+K)

607 http://tinyurl.com/6lpwxkp hawt... Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2012 03:15 AM (yh0zB) Dave's daughter lose weight? I keed, I keed. Mmmmm, girl you are so fine!

Posted by: Robert at July 19, 2012 11:20 PM (HWUv9)

608 Of course, she's not a real redhead.

Posted by: Alex at July 20, 2012 03:17 AM (3+RPg)

True. She, like another famous redhead and Moron favorite Christina Hendricks, is a natural blonde.

Thanks for harshing my mellow dude. :p

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:20 PM (yh0zB)

609 but again it is a misdemeanor and highly unlikely to make it to the Supreme Court.
***
Oh come on now, the only reason the Stolen Valor case went to the SC is that the left wants to further shit on veterans.

There is no serious constitutional issue at stake, and up until the modern era would have been laughed out of the courts (and the fake veterans tarred and feathered).

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 11:24 PM (AUeaU)

610 Christina Hendricks is blonde? I must venture south to her nethers. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Robert at July 19, 2012 11:24 PM (HWUv9)

611 Well for the libertarians of the bunch. Yes having a military award has a value, that in fact belongs to the US govt, and that using it without their permission devalues it, and is therefore an abridgment of the governments rights.

You keep asserting that military awards belong to the government but I just don't see how that is true.

Certainly the physical medals would belong to the individual. And the ability to state truthfully that they received a specific award during their military service would also belong to that individual.

If they *do* belong to the government, certainly that would be apparent by some kind of control they have over the awards after they're handed out. But I don't see any evidence of that.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 11:24 PM (xROTy)

612 I'm done with the argument. As far as I'm concerned, every CMOH and Purple Heart recipient should have a violent run at this guy. I also support the Marine who got in this guys face and am pissed that she should lose her job over it. The only thing I am trying to get across is that being a lying asshole is not a crime as long as it didn't infringe upon anyone else. If it was then all of our politicians would be in prison.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 11:24 PM (ZOf1l)

613 Have we taken a break in the stolen valor discussion? It's an asshole thing to do, but as long as you are not causing anyone any physical or financial harm I would rather live in a country that lets you be an asshole than in one that does not.

This is why I think you should have a right to burn the flag...but don't do it around me or you will go to the hospital and I will gladly go to jail. (Honest officer, I just saw the fire and was trying to save him from getting burned up! I don't know how his jaw got broken!)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:25 PM (yh0zB)

614 Hmm, Wendys girl has a facebook page.

http://tinyurl.com/767tgbl

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2012 11:25 PM (AUeaU)

615 Yes but you didn't invent gold and trademark it so only folks who you said had gold, actually had it. If you did false claims would be damaging to you.

Try again

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 03:18 AM (GE1+K)

Do you claim that military awards are trademarked?

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 11:25 PM (xROTy)

616 I must venture south to her nethers. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 03:24 AM (HWUv9)

Check her eyebrows, that's the tell. Only Mexican chicks shave their eyebrows.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 19, 2012 11:26 PM (ZOf1l)

617 >>>If they do belong to the government, certainly that would be apparent some kind of control they have over the awards after they're handed out. But I don't see any evidence of that. They specify exactly how they may be displayed and where. Your use rights are not unlimited. Their are specific requirements or both display on military uniform and display on civilian attire. At no time is your use of the medal presumed or declared to be unlimited. You are awarded the right to display the award under certain circumstances. Like any use right

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 11:30 PM (GE1+K)

618 I had problems with my feet and ankles in the Army. When I separated I was told I should apply for disability. I told the guy, "Disability is for the guys who got shot at. There were a couple of close calls, but I never got shot at." He said, "You're being stupid. You could easily get a 25% disability that would mean a check every month for the rest of your life." I said, "I won't apply for it, because I don't want it." I've always had problems with my feet and ankles, but I've never regretted telling him that. Posted by: Scobface at July 20, 2012 02:46 AM (IoNBC) I got my first full-time job when I was 15. My mother took me to work because I couldn't drive. I got laid off. I went to the unemployment office to find another job. The guy said, "You haven't applied for unemployment." I said, "I don't want unemployment, I just want a job." He said, "I'm sorry, but I can't do anything to help you find a job if you haven't applied for unemployment." That told me everything I ever need to know about my government.

Posted by: Scobface at July 19, 2012 11:30 PM (IoNBC)

619 They specify exactly how they may be displayed and where. Your use rights are not unlimited. Their are specific requirements or both display on military uniform and display on civilian attire. At no time is your use of the medal presumed or declared to be unlimited. You are awarded the right to display the award under certain circumstances. Like any use right

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 03:30 AM (GE1+K)

But are these enforceable?

Perhaps for military uniforms if you're still on active duty but I would bet not once you're a civilian.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 11:34 PM (xROTy)

620 >>>Do you claim that military awards are trademarked No silly, I'm trying to put the idea of "distinctive symbols that are owned by someone" in a legal frame you understand. They predate trademarks by about 2000-5000 years so the fact that we may *have* to trademark them to get small minded folks to understand the concept of identifying markings for valor as being off limmits for personal use, is kind of a sign of devolving times

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 11:35 PM (GE1+K)

621 Perhaps for military uniforms if you're still on active duty but I would bet not once you're a civilian.

Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at July 20, 2012 03:34 AM (xROTy)

I am not technically a civilian. I am on inactive fleet reserve (COMNAVFLTRES), and as such can be recalled any time the USN thinks they need me. They probably won't ever do it, but theoretically they could.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:37 PM (yh0zB)

622 (this includes recall for disciplinary action, BTW. Once again, not probable, but possible.)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:38 PM (yh0zB)

623 >>>>Perhaps for military uniforms if you're still on active duty but I would bet not once you're a civilian. Ive never seen them enforced. But then again enforcement is at the prerogative of the owner. Generally I don't think folks who earn them display them improperly.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 11:39 PM (GE1+K)

624 Generally I don't think folks who earn them display them improperly.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 03:39 AM (GE1+K)

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:40 PM (yh0zB)

625 I am not technically a civilian. I am on inactive fleet reserve (COMNAVFLTRES), and as such can be recalled any time the USN thinks they need me. They probably won't ever do it, but theoretically they could.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2012 03:37 AM (yh0zB)

Yeah it gets murky if you were commissioned and are now inactive. I would still bet though that you couldn't be disciplined for activities done while inactive.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 11:41 PM (xROTy)

626 I would still bet though that you couldn't be disciplined for activities done while inactive.

Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at July 20, 2012 03:41 AM (xROTy)

Probably not, they would have to recall me before I would technically be under the chain of command again.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:43 PM (yh0zB)

627 >>>Yeah it gets murky if you were commissioned and are now inactive. Being commissioned is like a knighthood. It never goes away. You can only hope it is forgotten.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 11:43 PM (GE1+K)

628 I was never commissioned. I was a lowly enlisted airplane fixer.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:45 PM (yh0zB)

629 Ive never seen them enforced. But then again enforcement is at the prerogative of the owner. Generally I don't think folks who earn them display them improperly.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 20, 2012 03:39 AM (GE1+K)

Circular reasoning. It's also possible that the rules haven't been enforced because the government doesn't own the awards.

One case in point is the US Flag Code. It's a full law that specifies the display and destruction of US flags. But it's not enforceable since there's no penalty for violating it.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 19, 2012 11:46 PM (xROTy)

630 Maet Id love to continue, but I've got to get up and engineer a better tomorrow.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 19, 2012 11:47 PM (GE1+K)

631 The fuck are all these insects...GAH!!!! swatswatswatswatswatswatswat

Posted by: Robert at July 19, 2012 11:47 PM (HWUv9)

632 I need to get going as well, I have things to do and people to annoy in the daylight hours. Later roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 19, 2012 11:48 PM (yh0zB)

633 Good night, GGE! Good night, Mike!

Posted by: Robert at July 19, 2012 11:49 PM (HWUv9)

634 Everyone bails just before teh ebil? They must fear its powuh!

Posted by: Robert at July 19, 2012 11:49 PM (HWUv9)

635 What the...3AM so soon? And I've not even finished this glass of wine.

Posted by: Robert at July 19, 2012 11:50 PM (HWUv9)

636 They predate trademarks by about 2000-5000 years so the fact that we may *have* to trademark them to get small minded folks to understand the concept of identifying markings for valor as being off limmits for personal use, is kind of a sign of devolving times

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free!

And that, inevitably as it was going to be, is a fail.

A Silver Star award, or a CMH for that matter, does not predate intellectual property law, chief. Neither does any other award granted by the United States. That is a feeble attempt to conflate the CONCEPT of a military honor with ACTUAL modern military honors. Fail.

Secondly, "award" by its very nature, is an earning, or a gift in recognition of service, or act. There are no strings attached, akin to taxes owed on a "winning", or property right incombrance associated with a "lending". Fail.

No medals awarded by the United States government to military members has a "Property of the U.S. Government" declaration on them, and the certificates that accompany them, IN EVERY CASE, clearly grant the award solely and completely to the awarded. Fail.

Your argument......seems legit.

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 19, 2012 11:59 PM (bRfBi)

637 So was there ever any retribution for the assholes who fired Melissa Campbell?

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 12:01 AM (kcfmt)

638 i so want my country to be a country of freedom. I'm so not seeing any indication that there's even the slightest possibility of that.

Posted by: Scobface at July 20, 2012 12:06 AM (IoNBC)

639 Twitter is saying there was a shooting at a movie theater in colorado.

http://tiny.cc/vhjqhw

Posted by: oh wow at July 20, 2012 12:07 AM (oZfic)

640 Any of my imaginary friends still up at this ungodly hour?

Posted by: Red Forman at July 20, 2012 12:08 AM (N/WI2)

641 Wow, old crusty sock. Begone.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:09 AM (N/WI2)

642 "At least 20 hurt after shooting at Colorado movie theater" http://tiny.cc/1mjqhw

Posted by: oh wow at July 20, 2012 12:10 AM (oZfic)

643 Howdy, DC!

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 12:11 AM (HWUv9)

644 Did I ever tell anyone of the time I saved a busload of gay Jewish schoolkids in Guadalcanal by throwing myself on a grenade? Got this here award to prove my velour.

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 12:13 AM (HWUv9)

645 Hola! Box wine actually tastes pretty good at 4am. Bota Box Zin.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:14 AM (N/WI2)

646 *sniff sniff*. What is that smell?

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:15 AM (N/WI2)

647 Ya know, I think I should have gone and seen the midnight showing of DKR. I'd only just now be getting out but goddamn you know that movie is the tits.

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 12:15 AM (HWUv9)

648 I once shouted "theater" at a crowded fire. A production of Hamlet broke out and nine people died.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 12:15 AM (kcfmt)

649 I got this stuff called Black Box cabernet. It's okay.

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 12:16 AM (HWUv9)

650 You not working tonight, Bob? Lucky bastige.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:16 AM (N/WI2)

651 What is that smell? Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 04:15 AM (N/WI2) Smells like...cat piss?

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 12:16 AM (HWUv9)

652 Yes, DC, I'm OFF! Well...not off in the way I would like to be getting off. Can't complain though.

What's happening up over yonder?

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 12:17 AM (HWUv9)

653 Black box is good. Was my go to box wine. My sister told me about this bota box stuff. About three bucks cheaper than black box. And damn tasty.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:17 AM (N/WI2)

654 At 2 hours and 44 minutes for Dark Knight Rises, plus all the other stuff they make you sit through, I can wait for the Blu-ray. I'm getting too old to make such demands of my bladder.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 12:17 AM (kcfmt)

655 Just got home. Cougar is at her parents with the kid. Sister is in town while we take care of my mom.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:19 AM (N/WI2)

656 Epo, that's why you just keep your soda between your knees during the movie.

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 12:19 AM (HWUv9)

657 I'll help the effort to enable Robert to grab the ebil

Posted by: zeera at July 20, 2012 12:19 AM (XtxRN)

658 I've seen that Bota box stuff. Actually I think I may have bought it. I can't remember if it was labeled that or HEB.

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 12:19 AM (HWUv9)

659

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 12:19 AM (HWUv9)

660 'cause you know he's gonna get it

Posted by: zeera at July 20, 2012 12:20 AM (XtxRN)

661 Last movie I saw in the theater was the last Indiana Jones flick. Before that, Sith. I will never go again, unless Cougar and Princess physically force me.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:20 AM (N/WI2)

662 Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 04:19 AM (N/WI2) How's your ma doin than?

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 12:20 AM (HWUv9)

663 Damnit Robert, it's a gift that you have.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:21 AM (N/WI2)

664 Well played sir. It's been a while sine an ONT made it this deep

Posted by: zeera at July 20, 2012 12:21 AM (XtxRN)

665 I will never go again, unless Cougar and Princess physically force me. Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 04:20 AM (N/WI2) What if Cougar dressed as Robin and coyly suggested that you go?

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 12:21 AM (HWUv9)

666 Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 04:21 AM (N/WI2) Posted by: zeera at July 20, 2012 04:21 AM (XtxRN)

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 12:22 AM (HWUv9)

667 Out of the hospital. Things are looking good, should be back to normal by thanksgiving or so. Was a scary week, but it will all be ok. Thanks for asking.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:22 AM (N/WI2)

668 Well DC I'm hopin' for the best. Tell her she needs to get better in time to make ya'll a big turkey dinner.

Anyway, I'm off for the night. DC, Zeera, Epo...GOOD NIGHT!

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 12:25 AM (HWUv9)

669 Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2012 04:21 AM Well, two problems. Three actually. 1) Robin is a guy. 2) Cougar is not. 3) assuming having my wife dressed up as a closeted super hero with no super powers turned me on, my first instinct wouldn't be to rush out to a movie theater.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:26 AM (N/WI2)

670 Night Robert!

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:26 AM (N/WI2)

671 645 i so want my country to be a country of freedom.

I'm so not seeing any indication that there's even the slightest possibility of that.

Posted by: Scobface at July 20, 2012 04:06 AM (IoNBC

Oh, there is a lot of possibilities of that.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 20, 2012 12:26 AM (BI8bC)

672 #663

No thanks. I've learned from the example of Paul and Fred.

Just think how different his career might have been if he'd just stayed home with a VCR. The thing that amazes me about the Fred Willard incident is that he found a real porn theater. I didn't think there were any left.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 12:27 AM (kcfmt)

673 Night Robert. See ya Monday AMish

Posted by: zeera at July 20, 2012 12:31 AM (XtxRN)

674 Another glass of wine from a box? Why, yes, I'd love one, thank you.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:31 AM (N/WI2)

675 #676

Hey, there have been some female Robins. Frank Miller had one in The Dark Knight Returns, and she'd become a new Catwoman in the sequel.

In the regular comics continuity, before the recent reboot of the DC Universe, a character named Stephanie Brown was Robin briefly and later Batgirl, after the scary third one quit. (Barbara Gordon from the 60s TV show was the second.) I'm not sure if she still exists post-reboot.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 12:32 AM (kcfmt)

676

Anyone hear the latest Mark Levin ad called Night time in America? I thought it was good enough to convert the mp3 to a youtube video.

Spot on opposite of the classic Regan ad

http://scoamf.us/xJ

Posted by: Hal Burton at July 20, 2012 12:32 AM (iYvMQ)

677 http://tiny.cc/0tkqhw

Posted by: this is horrific at July 20, 2012 12:36 AM (oZfic)

678 Fox news turned off o'really to go live with this

Posted by: this is horrific at July 20, 2012 12:37 AM (oZfic)

679 Epo, I'll take your word for it. Was never a comic book guy, and I'm not really a super hero movie watching guy. I've seen superman, and iron man...thought both were just ok.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:41 AM (N/WI2)

680 live feed: http://tiny.cc/95kqhw

Posted by: this is horrific at July 20, 2012 12:44 AM (oZfic)

681 If you piss in a bottle don`t spill it, if you spit in a bottle, make damn sure it aint the kind of beer you drink.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 20, 2012 12:44 AM (BI8bC)

682 I've had to check out for a while and realize you people don't know me from Adam but I have to get something off my puny chest.

Dad almost died last night or I should say very early this morning because my stupid ass mother fucker of a 26 year old brother who was insisting on Dad coming home yesterday from the mid term care facility couldn't take the time to figure out that Dad was choking to death on his trachea tube. Kid sleeps 14 - 18 hours a day and constantly complains about how tired he is. My husband had a come to Jesus meeting with my aunt today over how mollycoddled the kid is and he may be out on the street here really soon with his college funding cut off. Then he had the temerity this evening after he managed to get his fat ass out of bed to blame my aunt because "she didn't tell him how bad off Dad was". Kid gets into the kitchen and cooks without ever cleaning up after himself. While we were over there I spent over an hour scrubbing and doing dishes so my aunt wouldn't have to do it while simultaneously trying to keep an eye on Dad. I'm not in the best of health myself but I cook, bake and clean. That's about all I can do. My aunt did crack me up when she started flinging my brother's kitchen shit into a big plastic tote. We are moving in with aunt and Dad as soon as we finish getting the farm cleared out (HA!). She basically told me today "screw your brother - take what you want, pack it up for yourselves and put the rest in storage".

Posted by: Acid Spunk at July 20, 2012 12:47 AM (YOGFa)

683 OT: Gunmen open fire in Aurora, CO theater during Batman premiere. At least 12 dead, 10 wounded. They had tear gas, and "auto" weapons. 2 shooters, one captured so far.

Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at July 20, 2012 12:47 AM (TZmjF)

684 Mixing up your drinking cup and your spitting cup is a mistake you make exactly once.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:48 AM (N/WI2)

685 So Dark Knight Rises is the new Warriors.

Batman... come out to play-ayy... Batman...

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 12:48 AM (kcfmt)

686 Thousand bucks says the weans were not automatic or even select fire. What, no takers? Wimps.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:50 AM (N/WI2)

687 Weans, weapons, whatever. I blame autocorrect. Or pixy.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:51 AM (N/WI2)

688 So the real question at the shooting is it "Columbine" or "Allahu Akbar"? Payday is coming people, the Good Lord is not going to allow this to continue much longer.

Posted by: wierdflunky at July 20, 2012 12:52 AM (tlhtD)

689 Night all. Hope the shooters get disemboweled by a pack of hyenas in front of thier parents.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 20, 2012 12:52 AM (N/WI2)

690 Fox News is reporting it right now.

Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at July 20, 2012 12:53 AM (TZmjF)

691 On scene reporter "It looks pre-meditated", no shit!

Posted by: wierdflunky at July 20, 2012 12:56 AM (tlhtD)

692 Reporter sounds pretty straight, and said his sources were cops. They reported long guns, and something along the lines of 'assault type' IIRC. They report the Gang Unit has been called in.

Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at July 20, 2012 12:56 AM (TZmjF)

693 I don't have anything with auto correct, my mistakes are all my own.

Posted by: Jerry at July 20, 2012 12:58 AM (4SKYj)

694 Hostess intentionally dodging asking if this is Mooslim terrorism.

Posted by: wierdflunky at July 20, 2012 12:59 AM (tlhtD)

695 " ...‎12 confirmed decadents, 22 injured and 3 in custody, gang related, 1 suspect outstanding"

from the fb link above

Posted by: this is horrific at July 20, 2012 01:02 AM (oZfic)

696 Sounds bad.

Posted by: Jerry at July 20, 2012 01:05 AM (4SKYj)

697 I think you mean decedents.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 01:05 AM (kcfmt)

698 Damn, sombody`s got serial pissed off when they couldn`t get Batman tickets.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 20, 2012 01:06 AM (BI8bC)

699 G'Night all. I'll now try to get to sleep.

Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at July 20, 2012 01:08 AM (TZmjF)

700 I think you mean decedents.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 05:05 AM (kcfmt)

It's a quote from a whitness on the fb link I posted above. Funny I didn't notice the misspelling but the person who came right after corrected him.

People on twitter and fb are really upset.

Posted by: this is horrific at July 20, 2012 01:12 AM (oZfic)

701 @707 Are they upset about the shooting or the spelling on twitter and FB?

Posted by: Jerry at July 20, 2012 01:14 AM (4SKYj)

702 Well, Jean, If it involves going full Viking, I would hope for the least horrible death rape. Barring that, I should hope that I can at least get shipped to fucking France as a slave.

Posted by: Deety at July 20, 2012 01:18 AM (e65BZ)

703 http://tiny.cc/uxmqhw (facebook link)

they're just upset, most of them were there...

Posted by: this is horrific at July 20, 2012 01:21 AM (oZfic)

704 CNN saying 14 dead, 50 injured. FBI on the scene.

Posted by: this is horrific at July 20, 2012 01:26 AM (oZfic)

705 #707

A very easy spelling mistake that is gruesome under the circumstances. Such is the difficulty of communicating while emotions are high.

Last I heard another four had succumbed to their injuries, raising the count to 14.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 01:28 AM (kcfmt)

706 Sounds like it's getting worse. Gang related?

Posted by: Jerry at July 20, 2012 01:35 AM (4SKYj)

707 I wonder if there is a meeting at Warner Bros. HQ right now, frantically trying to how to react to this. I'm sure it feels like no choice is correct.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 01:42 AM (kcfmt)

708 I wonder which liberal and/or moslem did the shooting in Colorado.

Posted by: Hal Burton at July 20, 2012 01:55 AM (iYvMQ)

709 Fox is reporting that an explosive device was found in his car and his apartment is being searched for more explosives.

Posted by: rabidfox at July 20, 2012 02:11 AM (hJ9h/)

710 Meh, My emotions are *not* high. I will take pictures, never the less,al

Posted by: Deety at July 20, 2012 02:17 AM (e65BZ)

711 A firecracker is an explosive device, so is the can of saw gas in the back of my truck.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 20, 2012 02:17 AM (BI8bC)

712 I wonder if there is a meeting at Warner Bros. HQ right now, frantically trying to how to react to this. I'm sure it feels like no choice is correct.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 05:42 AM (kcfmt)

Violence happening in a film that celebrates it with plenty of trailers on television and having a midnight screening? What are the chances?

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at July 20, 2012 02:17 AM (ElB3y)

713

My daughter got home at 4 from her midnight show. My prayers go out to the mothers and fatthers out there who can't say the same.

I'm sorry, but "gang-related" and Aurora, CO don't seem to go together.

Posted by: Gem at July 20, 2012 02:18 AM (zw+pb)

714 The Colorado Muslim Society (CMS), or Masjid Abu-Bakr, is arguably the most visible Muslim community in the Denver Metro area. <b>Located in the suburb of Aurora</b>, just southeast of Denver, Abu-Bakr is a Sunni community whose membership spans virtually every part of the global Muslim community. Currently Masjid Abu-Bakr is completing the final stages of its multi-million dollar expansion, thus doubling the size of its prayer facilities.

Posted by: Tav at July 20, 2012 02:23 AM (fRSUC)

715 The shooter could be anyone from an apolitical, a reichwing neo-nazi to an OWS nutjob.

No matter what the ideology of the shooter there will be political ramifications.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 20, 2012 02:25 AM (7+pP9)

716 Gangs? East Colfax runs out in Denver and right into Aurora.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 20, 2012 02:28 AM (BI8bC)

717 #719

Looking back at the history of violent film presentations, pretty low.

I mentioned the Warriors earlier. That was a movie that gained a reputation for outbreaks of violence in the audience. Some others like Boyz in the Hood had incidents. But in general there hasn't been a lot of problems at action movies. And this situation goes far, far beyond anything I've ever heard of in association with a theatrical presentation.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 02:31 AM (kcfmt)

718
The Colorado Muslim Society (CMS), or Masjid Abu-Bakr, is arguably the most visible Muslim community in the Denver Metro area. ...

If it's muzzie related it will be portrayed as wrong but understandable backlash to post 9/11 muzzie persecution.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 20, 2012 02:31 AM (7+pP9)

719 722 The shooter could be anyone from an apolitical, a reichwing neo-nazi to an OWS nutjob.

No matter what the ideology of the shooter there will be political ramifications.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 20, 2012 06:25 AM (7+pP9)

Even after Breivik I cant really fit a deranged reichwing scenario to this.

Mainstream movie goers looks more a target for islamic terrorists or the generic deranged madman looking for fame. But we will see.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at July 20, 2012 02:35 AM (AWmfW)

720 But in general there hasn't been a lot of problems at action movies. And this situation goes far, far beyond anything I've ever heard of in association with a theatrical presentation.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 06:31 AM (kcfmt)

No but the people at Warner Brothers will take some heat for this from the usual suspects. The ambulance chasers are amassing as I type this.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at July 20, 2012 02:38 AM (ElB3y)

721 If it's muzzie related it will be portrayed as wrong but understandable backlash to post 9/11 muzzie persecution.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 20, 2012 06:31 AM (7+pP9)

Didn't an illegal kill 5 from the national guard in a fast food place , it just vanished from media.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at July 20, 2012 02:39 AM (AWmfW)

722 Probably a man-ager with a grudge out to prove himself.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 20, 2012 02:40 AM (BI8bC)

723 I wonder if the shooter's blog/facebook page will be erased before he's identified.

I'd say it's about a 99.9% certainty.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 20, 2012 02:40 AM (7+pP9)

724 I will put "Major Fucking Hassan" direct on George Bush! Oh, we don't want to OFFEND a bunch of Wahabbii fucks, heavans no! I hate every jack-ass who decided that it was more important to keep this mass-murder on to shoot up Ft

Posted by: our Civersity at July 20, 2012 02:40 AM (e65BZ)

725
729 Probably a man-ager with a grudge out to prove himself.

They're saying the shooter is only 24 years-old, so that's doubtful.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 20, 2012 02:43 AM (7+pP9)

726 Shouldn't his name be out by now , if police is checking his apartment?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at July 20, 2012 02:46 AM (AWmfW)

727

Sounds like nutter like Jared Laughner that shot Congresswoman Giffords. It will be no time until it is blamed on tea partiers.

Posted by: thunderb at July 20, 2012 02:48 AM (Dnbau)

728 I have now filed a Executive Order putting TSA checkpoints at every movie theater in the country. Every movie goer will be subjected to the scanner and must remove their shoes before entering.

Any candy or snacks found will be confiscated.

Posted by: Barak Hussein Obama at July 20, 2012 02:48 AM (SvfYV)

729

They're saying the shooter is only 24 years-old, so that's doubtful

That`s why I figured it was a man-ager, not teenager. A punk in his 20`s.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 20, 2012 02:49 AM (BI8bC)

730 Speculation on Fox it could be a gang-banger.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 20, 2012 02:55 AM (7+pP9)

731 I doubt it's just a nutter like Loughner. This was not a spontaneous decision. There was a lot of gathering of gear and planning in this case. That takes a certain level of rationality, well in excess of what Loughner exercised.

It will be a couple days at least before we really know. did this guy have any online presences? If so, that is going to get scrutinized down to every word.

Gang activity doesn't seem likely. Terrorism appears the most likely with the big question mark being whether it's the usual suspects or a Coast to Coast AM listener with a view of the world known to nobody but him.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 02:55 AM (kcfmt)

732

Fox news Yanker this morning to a hospital spokesman..."Can you tell us the nature of the wounds, were they gun shots?"

Yet another day for gun grabbers to rejoice.

***

Hello people.

Posted by: dananjcon at July 20, 2012 02:56 AM (eavT+)

733 That`s why I figured it was a man-ager, not teenager.

I thought you misspelled manager.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 20, 2012 02:57 AM (7+pP9)

734 737 Speculation on Fox it could be a gang-banger.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 20, 2012 06:55 AM (7+pP9)

One thing that gang bangers dont care who gets killed in a shootout, but they usually doesnt target ordinary people in groups.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at July 20, 2012 02:57 AM (AWmfW)

735 News is saying they got Obama out of bed to brief him on the situation. Which also makes gang activity appear less likely. The President would be expected to have some comment on a big story like this but is it to be considered a possible national security issue?

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 02:58 AM (kcfmt)

736 Ramadan started last night.

Posted by: thunderb at July 20, 2012 02:58 AM (Dnbau)

737 So did the shooter fast?

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 02:59 AM (kcfmt)

738 The cynical side of me says that Obama would have been awoken for this just because of its political impact. The president would be awakened for a number of reasons.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 20, 2012 03:03 AM (T0NGe)

739

Don't know. Went to Denver Post story and read comments. Not gang related, apparently Aurora is an affluent suburb. Some people are blaming the NRA. Most the dead and wounded are assumed to be teenagers.

I would think if the shooter was someone who fasted, they would have exploded themself too. Except Major Hassan didn't.

Pray for the families.

Posted by: thunderb at July 20, 2012 03:05 AM (Dnbau)

740 Some people are blaming the NRA.

They think Wayne LaPierre did it?

Posted by: AmishDude at July 20, 2012 03:07 AM (T0NGe)

741 I also doubt gangs. These people wanted to create a large mass-murder event. They wanted attention.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 20, 2012 03:09 AM (T0NGe)

742

I know there will be lots of keening about guns and movie violence, but this particular movie has attracted a lot of controversy. Reviewers were getting such violent, threatening emails, Rotten Tomatoes actually closed comments for this movie, something they almost never do. And isn't the buzz that it's very anti-OWS and blatantly conservative? Not that it necessarily IS - people slap these simplistic labels on anything, but my first thought was that this could be an OWS supporter "teaching us a lesson" for getting out of line.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at July 20, 2012 03:14 AM (KOHFD)

743 Now they're saying a 3 month old infant is among the injured. Who the hell takes a three month old baby to a midnight movie?

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 03:17 AM (kcfmt)

744 Batman Rises starts July 20
Ramadan starts July 20

Posted by: Tav at July 20, 2012 03:18 AM (GZmsj)

745 #749

Yeah, I was wondering about that.

Weird to think this could affect the election depending on how the narrative gets played. Which means we know what to expect from the MSM. But the level of attention is going to be such that they won't be able to bury it if it was a leftist behind this.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 03:19 AM (kcfmt)

746 Now they're saying a 3 month old infant is among the injured. Who the hell takes a three month old baby to a midnight movie?

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 07:17 AM (kcfmt)

Parents of the year imo.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at July 20, 2012 03:19 AM (ElB3y)

747 When I heard the first mention I thought it was just a gang banger evolution in action exchange. Thus the Warriors joke. Now I really wish I hadn't posted that one.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 03:21 AM (kcfmt)

748 Odd. Two of the dead have been upgraded to alive.

Chaos.

Posted by: epobirs at July 20, 2012 03:50 AM (kcfmt)

749 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 20, 2012 03:58 AM (1EUmb)

750

Mornin!!

Anyone hear anything about last night's awesome Batman premier? Can't wait to go!

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 20, 2012 04:35 AM (iYvMQ)

751 Among the WWII aggressors there should be the Soviet Union prominently mentioned. If it weren't for Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, Germany would probably not have invaded Poland.

Posted by: odys at July 20, 2012 07:11 AM (aBsiV)

752 Only 5,000,000 in the Russian Revolution? I think around 30,000,000 died in the gulags.

Posted by: Dang at July 20, 2012 07:28 AM (Ky1+e)

753 You can't claim to be a cop, but you can claim you were decorated as a cop. You can't claim to be a soldier, but you can claim you were a soldier and got decorated.
Its still illegal, as far as I know, to impersonate a soldier. This ruling only allows claiming awards you didn't earn.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 20, 2012 12:01 PM (r4wIV)

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