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July 30, 2012

Overnight Open Thread (7-30-2012)
— Maetenloch

The very fact that you're reading this means that you probably check out Ebay, Hulu, LinkedIn far more often than say reddit, Etsy, or Spottify. And note that users of Twitter, Amazon and Farmville are more GOP-leaning than you'd expect.

Meanwhile Buzzfeed Politics has veered so far left that we're gonna need a bigger chart and a third dimension to fully capture their dishonest hackery.

Well it is true that 99.98% of all modern mass murderers and terrorists were not on the FB.

As examples they use Norwegian shooter Anders Breivik, who used myspace instead of facebook (or as they put it, "largely invisible on the web", haha @ myspace), and the newer Aurora shooter who used adultfriendfinder instead of facebook. So being social on any other website isn't good enough, it has to be specifically facebook that people are using.

Why a Government Mandated GPS Tracker on Your Car is Inevitable

There's been proposals to add GPS tracking to cars off and on the last few years but I always assumed that the privacy-invasion aspect alone would make this a non-starter.

But when it comes to maintaining revenue the government is relentless...

Still, I hate to be the one to break this to you but eventually your car is going to track you. The government will make you do it. But it's not going to be for the reasons you think.
The problem is this: cars are becoming ever more fuel efficient, and more and more people are using cars that don't burn gas.

One problem with that, from a governmental standpoint: gas taxes are how we pay for roads.

You can't just stuff all those taxes into the cost of buying a new car, either. The government makes nearly $200 million per day in gas taxes. Before you start ranting about big government: nearly all of that money goes to roads.
This leaves the feds in a quandary: as people buy less gas but drive the same amount, the money to keep those roads in usable shape has to come from somewhere. Sticking non-drivers with that cost isn't fair. Taxing vehicles isn't necessarily fair. GPS tracking is the fairest.

Choosing Really Really Poorly

How one man destroyed the lives of his wife and children thanks to his faith in Marxism.

The BBC tells the melancholy story of Oh Kil-nam, a South Korean man who, convinced by his Marxist education that North Korea was a worker's paradise, decided to defect there with his wife and two children in 1986. Oh, who had just completed his PhD in Germany in Marxist economics and who "had been active in left-wing groups" had no reason to doubt the beckoning invitation of North Korean officials who promised him free health care and a government job, like certain other people you may know.

He chose poorly.

Shockingly North Korea was not the paradise they claimed and the starvation began shortly after arrival. Oh was also ordered to lure more gullible South Koreans to North Korea.

Damned herself, his wife did not want to damn others. So when Oh arrived in Copenhagen, he defected to the West. For Oh it meant going back to the place he left before. But for his wife and two children it was a death sentence. He never saw them again.

Some things are so stupid and awful that it takes advanced study at elite universities to believe in them.

Fewer Fires, More Firefighters

Do we really need (or can afford) so many firefighters given that they rarely fight fires? Let's just hire more paramedics and train them in basic rescue skills.

Taxpayers are unlikely to support budget increases for fire departments if they see firemen lolling about the firehouse. So cities have created new, highly visible jobs for their firemen. The Wall Street Journal reported recently, "In Los Angeles, Chicago and Miami, for example, 90% of the emergency calls to firehouses are to accompany ambulances to the scene of auto accidents and other medical emergencies. Elsewhere, to keep their employees busy, fire departments have expanded into neighborhood beautification, gang intervention, substitute-teaching and other downtime pursuits." In the Illinois township where I live, the fire department drives its trucks to accompany all medical emergency vehicles, then directs traffic around the ambulance-a task which, however valuable, seemingly does not require a hook-and-ladder.

Humans Have Been Getting Jiggy With Non-humans Since Forever

Well given a choice between between Grognaar, the cave wife, and the semi-hawt, but sharp elbowed hominid across the river, why choose? It's not like they're gonna be comparing notes at the next clan meet-up or anything.

"DNA extracted from old Neanderthal bones proves that all people of European and Asian descent have a few percent of Neanderthal DNA inside them today, equivalent to the amount they inherited from each great-great-great-grandparent. In addition, scientists have discovered that Melanesians, the people who originally settled the islands between New Guinea and Fiji, seduced another archaic human race, the Denisovans, somewhere on the long haul from Africa to the south seas. The Melanesians still carry Denisovan DNA today. In some sense, then, neither Neanderthals nor Denisovans ever quite went extinct: Their DNA lives on in various non-African ethnic groups. . . . The study concluded that, about 35,000 years ago, some central Africans had children with an unnamed and now-extinct race of hominids. Like Europeans and Asians before them, these people couldn't resist the temptations of nonhuman lovers. As scientists continue to probe the human genome, they'll likely find even more examples of interbreeding in our past. The DNA memories of those deeds are buried deeper inside us than even our ids, but it seems that all peoples, everywhere, enjoyed cross-species love."

Why Do So Many Arab Leaders Wear Mustaches?

Short Answer: In the middle east facial hair = politics and plus it's a condition of the Arabic ManCard

Even outside the ranks of government officials, many Arab men are raised to see the mustache as a sign of manhood. Because of the pride attached to its presence, the mustache has been a prime political target, and shaving off an opponent's mustache is not unheard of. In 2003, an aide to Saddam Hussein insulted Kuwait's minister of state when he exclaimed, "Curse be upon your mustache!"

...While facial hair is not a blanket statement of one's politics in the Arab world, it can give an indication: Many Islamists don beards, Baathists are often seen with mustaches, and liberals tend to forgo facial hair altogether.

Top Commenter Stats (delayed from Sunday)

Top 10 commenters:
1 [324 comments] 'Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual' [45.48 posts/day]
2 [312 comments] 'steevy'
3 [305 comments] 'Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny'
4 [298 comments] 'Nevergiveup'
5 [276 comments] 'Jane D'oh'
6 [272 comments] 'Vic'
7 [267 comments] 'AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart'
8 [259 comments] '@PurpAv'
9 [243 comments] 'toby928?'
10 [226 comments] 'Christopher Taylor'

Top 10 sockpuppeteers:
1 [68 names] 'from a female perspective' [9.55 unique names/day]
2 [58 names] 'Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual'
3 [56 names] 'Cicero'
4 [46 names] 'Romeo13'
5 [33 names] 'Doctor Fish'
6 [31 names] 'toby928?'
7 [31 names] 'kbdabear'
8 [29 names] 'logprof'
9 [27 names] 'Mallamutt, RINO President for Life'
10 [25 names] 'andycanuck'

Teh Tweet!

Yahoo group. That is all.

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1 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 06:07 PM (6o4Fb)

2 Not first.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at July 30, 2012 06:07 PM (d6TfZ)

3 Julie Newmar.

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2012 06:08 PM (5H6zj)

4 >>>Short Answer: In the middle east facial hair = politics and plus it's a condition of the Arabic ManCard Let them try to match my 'stache - Allah is certainly not with them in this endeavor.

Posted by: John Bolton at July 30, 2012 06:09 PM (c1WVm)

5 Me---ow.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at July 30, 2012 06:10 PM (PQ2/5)

6 Oh halle berry!!! All the babies we could make together

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 30, 2012 06:11 PM (5tiWJ)

7 Julie Newmar was delish, when I was a kid.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 30, 2012 06:11 PM (sJTmU)

The sluttiest dressed catwoman, is the worst one. Kind of counter-intuitive, but true.

Oh and I think Nolan completely suckered Hathaway with his catwoman and her love of OWS.

Posted by: buzzion at July 30, 2012 06:12 PM (GULKT)

9 Nice of the Korean to leave his wife and kids in NK to be executed. Typical stand-up libtard.

Posted by: USS Diversity at July 30, 2012 06:12 PM (2d71t)

10 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 30, 2012 06:12 PM (JMmQ9)

11 Eartha Kitt was weird though.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 30, 2012 06:12 PM (sJTmU)

12 Julie Newmar and Halle Barry FTW!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2012 06:12 PM (UH0ly)

13 I think Eartha Kitt was the best catwoman. Her voice and weirdness helped.

Posted by: no good deed at July 30, 2012 06:13 PM (mjR67)

14 Who is the middle top one. Lee Grant maybe?

I'm in the Julie Newmar camp.

Posted by: Mayday at July 30, 2012 06:14 PM (F3s39)

Well crap, I don't go on Facebook anymore, does that mean I'm about to become a crazed psycho killer?

Come to think of it I have PMS, that may be entirely likely.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 30, 2012 06:14 PM (RZ8pf)

I find the correlation between being a Politically Engaged/Romney Voter and PayPal very curious. PayPal just happens to be a very convenient way of sending an electronic debit out of your checking account.

On second thought, I guess it makes sense since the moocher class isn't likely to be sending anyone money via electronic fund transfers.

Posted by: Retired Buckey Cop in solidarity with dagny at July 30, 2012 06:14 PM (xFgmp)

Yes but Eartha Kitt could not fit into a pubescent fantasy. Too weird. Reminds me of Valerie Jarrett.

Julie Newmar could. Yowza, she was hot!

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 30, 2012 06:14 PM (sJTmU)

18 This post would work better if it was set in London.

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at July 30, 2012 06:14 PM (zZJJp)

19 "Eartha Kitt was weird though.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch"

She was odd, wasn't she? Gave me the creeps as a kid, but she was a good Catwoman. Still, I liked Julie Newmar. Funny and playful. She did a great guest spot on the Monkees that's still one of my favorite episodes of that show.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at July 30, 2012 06:15 PM (d6TfZ)

20 Batman eventually banged Catwoman and had a daughter who became the crime fighting hottie,Huntress.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 06:16 PM (6o4Fb)

21 Wow, who's that first Catwoman? I must have seen her as a little kid, but something about her now seems...different.

Posted by: t-bird at July 30, 2012 06:16 PM (FcR7P)

22 I refuse to use FakeBook.

Posted by: fluffy, shady character at July 30, 2012 06:16 PM (O6q63)

Catwoman . MRROWW!

I'd like too see her play beach volleyball

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at July 30, 2012 06:17 PM (CS/JB)

24 What about *my* Catwoman?

Posted by: Sean Young at July 30, 2012 06:17 PM (c1WVm)

25 Which one is Halle Berry?

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2012 06:18 PM (5H6zj)

26 20 Batman eventually banged Catwoman and had a daughter who became the crime fighting hottie,Huntress.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 10:16 PM (6o4Fb)

Earth-2 continuity

/uber-dork

Posted by: buzzion at July 30, 2012 06:18 PM (GULKT)

27 Well, I guess if Batman could find time to stop riding Robin's ass, he would choose some hot female criminal to inseminate.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 30, 2012 06:18 PM (sJTmU)

28 This post would work better if it was set in London. I see what you did there ^{golf clap}

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 30, 2012 06:19 PM (JMmQ9)

29 "Who is the middle top one. Lee Grant maybe?"

Lee Meriweather

Posted by: lowandslow at July 30, 2012 06:19 PM (GZitp)

30 You've never seen Catwoman until you see me play her.

Posted by: Sean Young at July 30, 2012 06:19 PM (jucos)

31 Who is the middle top one. Lee Grant maybe?

Brian Dennehy.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 30, 2012 06:20 PM (9ayyK)

32 14 Who is the middle top one. Lee Grant maybe?

I'm in the Julie Newmar camp.

Posted by: Mayday at July 30, 2012 10:14 PM (F3s39)

That's probably Lee Meriwether. She played Catwoman for the Batman movie of the original series. Had to look it up.

Posted by: buzzion at July 30, 2012 06:21 PM (GULKT)

33 Oh,and all those creepy comic scenes were easily explained in context.I admit they look bad as presented.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 06:21 PM (6o4Fb)

34 Catwoman was the beginning of my end! Does anyone truly remember me anymore? I used to be somebody.

Posted by: Sean Young at July 30, 2012 06:21 PM (jucos)

Halle Berry is center bottom. In living color.

Top left, Julie Newmar.

Center top, Lee Grant

Top right, Earth Kitt.

Bottom left is Madonna or Lady Gaga, who knows.

Halle Berry is center bottom

And lower right is somebody I recognize but can't think of her name.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 30, 2012 06:22 PM (sJTmU)

36 26 Yeah,I know that too.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 06:22 PM (6o4Fb)

I don't buy this GPS is inevitable BS... afterall, in my state, they already know how many miles my car travels each year without it. Once a year the vehicle must pass an inspection - where they record the mileage of the vehicle. If they truly just want the mileage, then they just need to look in the already existant records.

Just my opinion, but the more they push the GPS crap "for the mileage", the more I have to believe they truly want it for different reasons.

Posted by: Dilligas at July 30, 2012 06:22 PM (/Odq7)

30 You've never seen Catwoman until you see me play her.

Sweetie, you're not even in the same time zone as me.

Posted by: Sandra Fluck at July 30, 2012 06:23 PM (CS/JB)

39 Bottom left is Madonna or Lady Gaga, who knows.

Sacrilege! Michelle Pfeiffer.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 30, 2012 06:23 PM (9ayyK)

40 35 Bottom left is Michelle Pfeiffer.The bottom right is from tthe new movie,Ann Hathaway.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 06:23 PM (6o4Fb)

Catwoman was the beginning of my end! Does anyone truly remember me anymore? I used to be somebody.

Want to share some fermented berries, Sweet Thing?

Posted by: Neanderthal Man at July 30, 2012 06:23 PM (O6q63)

42 Michelle Pfeiffer was a hot catwoman, old enough to be my mom, still hit it.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 30, 2012 06:23 PM (ZhEoC)

Lee Grant or Lee Meriweather. It's not Robert E. Lee, or Lee Iacoca, that's for certain.

Whatever.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 30, 2012 06:23 PM (sJTmU)

44 Re: GPS. They can't even come *close* to getting people to follow traffic laws, but drivers are all going to lie down for having a leash shoved up their ass? Yeah, whatevs. The NMA will be bigger than the NRA overnight.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 06:24 PM (bxiXv)

45 I can't wait until mustaches come back in style.

Posted by: Ben at July 30, 2012 06:24 PM (XDHBy)

46 As for Eartha Kitt,well,Catwoman IS weird(so is Batman for that matter.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 06:24 PM (6o4Fb)

47 In 1894, Edison discovered (or stole) the secret to the internet with "Boxing Cats":

http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.mbrsmi/edmp.4020

Posted by: derit at July 30, 2012 06:25 PM (ruiF1)

48 Wow, how did they manage to make Halle, who is normally gorgeous, look so meh? Also, she looks whiter than usual.

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2012 06:25 PM (5H6zj)

49 hi all mmm catwoman i'd like to pet her pusseh

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 30, 2012 06:25 PM (rW4t3)

50 I think they are going to try to mandate the GPS but will they have a 6 volt version? What about the really old cars with no DC electrical system?

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at July 30, 2012 06:25 PM (9HhTH)

51 I still thing Ann Hathaway is the most beautiful actress working today, I wish she'd avoid nakey roles though. She really tuned into a tramp for a while there.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 30, 2012 06:25 PM (r4wIV)

52 The government NEEDS to install GPS tracking on your car to know how much it's used?
They already require that cars have this thing called an "odometer" in it. You know, that thing that tells you how much a car has been used...

Posted by: wheelmanforhire at July 30, 2012 06:25 PM (c0Yal)

53 When I started on the Fire Dept. (volunteer) we were averaging around 75 calls a year. The last year I was on it I think I went on 14 calls. And government fire prevention had less to do with it then insurance companies.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 30, 2012 06:26 PM (GZitp)

54 1) Locate odious GPS tracker. 2) Go to Dollar Tree and purchase roll of cheap aluminum foil 3) Encase tracker in layers of aluminum foil. Enjoy the Faraday cage you just build that makes the GPS unit deaf, dumb, and blind.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 06:26 PM (OfMej)

55 And I suspect if they stick GPS into all the cars, there will be a lot of them disabled.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 30, 2012 06:27 PM (r4wIV)

56 What a difference 30 or so years makes. I remember when I was a kid and I saw Julie Newmar's cat women, I remember yelling "get her batman". 30 years or so later I happened to see my first batman episode since then, and Julie Newmar comes on the screen and I blurted out "fuckin' titties". The wife looked over at me and rolled her eyes. lol

Posted by: Berserker at July 30, 2012 06:27 PM (FMbng)

57 Posted by: Sean Young at July 30, 2012 10:21 PM (jucos)

Hey, you look just like Ray Finkle.

Posted by: no good deed at July 30, 2012 06:27 PM (mjR67)

Do not worry good citizen.

Our powerful elites will protect you from wrong doers amd thought crime. When we monitor your mileage we will also charge you for all those times you exceeded the speed limit, went slower than the minimum speed limit, rolled through a stop sign, and parked illegally.

After all, it is for THE CHILDREN!!!!11!!1!.

Posted by: rd at July 30, 2012 06:28 PM (9sUlj)

59 56 What a bod she had,I saw her in a Western.Damn.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 06:29 PM (6o4Fb)

60 If you get a phone call telling you your tracker isn't responding, smash it with a hammer just to be sure, and tell'em gosh, I must have nicked it by accident when I was replacing the framis tension oscilator.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 06:29 PM (OfMej)

61 Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 30, 2012 10:22 PM (sJTmU) Lee Merriweather, not Lee Grant.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 06:29 PM (bbW7j)

62 57 Coal plants shutting down this year alone.Rolling blackouts soon?

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 06:29 PM (6o4Fb)

63 The Aquariums of Pyongyang was a great read and a sharp look at NK and what happened to the people promised this "beautiful life", messed up. Prison camps and starvation...you would think someone, some country would be working to end this little shit torturing machine

Posted by: sunny at July 30, 2012 06:29 PM (GSGoq)

64 I'm intrigued. Me overhaul an engine? Let's do it!

Posted by: MaxMBJ at July 30, 2012 06:30 PM (deaac)

65 Looks like my next car will have to be a 1962 Rambler just to get out from under the 30,000 in federal mandates that will be built into new cars. Plus no seatbelt mandate.

Posted by: Hal Burton at July 30, 2012 06:30 PM (iYvMQ)

66 Sticking non-drivers with that cost isn't fair. Because riders are the ones paying for mass transit and "high-speed rail"? I call bullshit on that argument.

Posted by: t-bird at July 30, 2012 06:30 PM (FcR7P)

67 yeah the whole mandatory GPS thing will not work I will walk to work before that happens

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 30, 2012 06:30 PM (rW4t3)

68 Coincidence that conservatives are the ones less likely to use fb, that now infrequent fb users are the likely mass murderers? I think not. Just like the DHS (doh, GWB!) putting out the memo to watch out for citizens advocating small government and protection of 2nd Amendment rights. I hate FB with a burning passion. Although I do go check out my kids' vacay photos.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 06:30 PM (cQmXn)

69 I'm sure there's a "speed trap" angle in the govt GPS somewhere . . .

Posted by: BlackOrchidPinesForDagny at July 30, 2012 06:31 PM (J6kXj)

I am sure Government Motors will be happy to sell you the GPS option on your new car.

Isn't that basically what Onstar is?

Posted by: GT 5.0 at July 30, 2012 06:31 PM (3W1+C)

71 Neanderthal chicks are easy. Damn strong, but easy.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 06:31 PM (bbW7j)

72 A government mandated GPS in my car would last about 6 seconds.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 30, 2012 06:32 PM (jucos)

73 Hey, I love libtards who are spinless. They remind me of me!

Posted by: Barky O'McFuckstick at July 30, 2012 06:32 PM (CZrbJ)

74 Neanderthal chicks are easy. obligatory "I'd hit it"?

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 30, 2012 06:32 PM (rW4t3)

Neanderthal chicks are easy.

Damn strong, but easy.

Hey! Don't talk about my sister, Cro-Mag. She'll kick your ass.

Posted by: Neanderthal Man at July 30, 2012 06:32 PM (O6q63)

76 Funny how we only hear about how gasoline taxes pay for roads when they need to suplement the income loss from electric cars. Any other time roads are funded by raising income taxes on business.

Posted by: Hal Burton at July 30, 2012 06:32 PM (iYvMQ)

77 And government fire prevention had less to do with it then insurance companies. Should be fewer electrical fires in newer houses, now that GFCI and AFCI requirements are pretty strict. AFCI requirements have been ramping in the electric code since 2002 code cycle. Now with the 2011 cycle, they're required in any "habitable" room.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 06:33 PM (OfMej)

78 yeah if they do the mandatory GPS I think there might be a rash of some Firefly-style misbehavin'

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 30, 2012 06:34 PM (rW4t3)

79 Humans Have Been Getting Jiggy With Non-humans Since Forever CROSE ENOUGH!!!!

Posted by: Japanese Labatt Brue Guys at July 30, 2012 06:34 PM (OIuTH)

80 I'm sure there's a "speed trap" angle in the govt GPS somewhere Self issuing speeding tickets. The perfect solution for a cash strapped town.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 06:34 PM (OfMej)

37
I don't buy this GPS is inevitable BS

Coming soon: monthly mileage bills from the DMV. One annual charge would be too painful. Monthly payments maintain a regular cash flow.

The bad news is that besides a mileage charge, more roads (both new ones and the existing, now free, interstates) will be tolled.

The really bad news is that while the states will swear, (honest , no kidding, cross my heart) that tolls and mileage revenue will be used solely for road construction and maintenance- they will sooner rather than later raid the highway funds for mass transit and general revenue.

Posted by: Sandra Fluck at July 30, 2012 06:35 PM (CS/JB)

82 67 yeah the whole mandatory GPS thing will not work
I will walk to work before that happens

That is their plan. No cars ..

Posted by: grease monkey at July 30, 2012 06:35 PM (VSWPU)

83 63 that was an excellent book. Everyone needs to read it. Too bad the only ones who want to read that book are already aware of the dangers of "dear leaders". Willful fuckin' ignorance prevails.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 06:35 PM (cQmXn)

84 79 Humans Have Been Getting Jiggy With Non-humans Since Forever Tell me about it. Shepard can't keep his hands off me.

Posted by: Liara T'soni at July 30, 2012 06:35 PM (c1WVm)

85 All that new CeeOhtwo in the atmosphere is suppressing fires like crazy. Now you can smoke in bed and not worry about a thing.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 06:35 PM (t2228)

86 And I suspect if they stick GPS into all the cars, there will be a lot of them disabled. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 30, 2012 10:27 PM Right. Remember that siht they tried in the '70s: the "safety interlock"? The car wouldn't start unless the seatbelts were buckled for every occupied seat. People would buckle the belts, thensit on hem; otherwise it was a ten minute "creative splicing" job to defeat the system. Wankers. Be very wary of The Stoopid BusinessÂ™ operation in conjunction with the government.

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 30, 2012 06:35 PM (JMmQ9)

87 Damn sock.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at July 30, 2012 06:35 PM (CS/JB)

88 Mandatory GPS in all the bullets.

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at July 30, 2012 06:36 PM (9HhTH)

89 51 I still thing Ann Hathaway is the most beautiful actress working today, I wish she'd avoid nakey roles though. She really tuned into a tramp for a while there. Avoid the.....? Denounce yourself sir.

Posted by: Bcochran1981 at July 30, 2012 06:36 PM (GEICT)

90 Also, we're going to be installing GPS trackers in your children, so we know who to tax ~~less~~ more for public schools, for the fairness.

Posted by: Your Ever-Expanding Nanny State at July 30, 2012 06:36 PM (bxiXv)

91 81 it means they won't get my money to pay for their gps scheme

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 30, 2012 06:36 PM (rW4t3)

92 1) Locate odious GPS tracker.
2) Go to Dollar Tree and purchase roll ofcheap aluminum foil
3) Encase tracker in layers of aluminum foil.

Enjoy the Faraday cage you just build that makes the GPS unit deaf, dumb, andblind
-----------------------------------------------------
1)Locate odious GPS tracker.
2)Locate odious GPS tracker grounding wire
3)Cut

Posted by: wheelmanforhire at July 30, 2012 06:36 PM (c0Yal)

93 might be a rash of some Firefly-style misbehavin' A lot of places that put in intersection cams are starting to remove them. Maintence costs are high, and people figure out where they are and ticket revenue falls accordingly. Of course they get vandalized a lot too...

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 06:37 PM (OfMej)

94 14 Who is the middle top one. Lee Grant maybe?

I'm in the Julie Newmar camp.
Posted by: Mayday at July 30, 2012 10:14 PM

Lee Merriweather. I vote for the kitteh with her as the Catwoman

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2012 06:37 PM (Y7XKa)

95 57 Coal plants shutting down this year alone.Rolling blackouts soon?

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 10:29 PM (6o4Fb)

Try 175. Things are going to get squirrely.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 30, 2012 06:37 PM (tQHzJ)

96 Malkin especially has been doing great work in rallying the Right to Twitter. I also must give credit to a certain cheeto-eater too fat to ride a bike, along with some terrorist pals - just because, by their attempts to shut down the Right as "spammers", they've brought more Rightists in.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 06:38 PM (QTHTd)

97 84 79 Humans Have Been Getting Jiggy With Non-humans Since Forever

Tell me about it. Shepard can't keep his hands off me.

Posted by: Liara T'soni at July 30, 2012 10:35 PM (c1WVm)

He's mine you Bosh'tet

Posted by: Tali'zorah vas Normandy at July 30, 2012 06:38 PM (GULKT)

98 Wild Guess: Government Motors "leaps ahead of the pack" and installs a GPS tracker that disables the ignition if tampered with. The next month they sell less than 500 cars. Two months later, they close all but the commercial vehicle division. The taxpayer picks up the losses.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 06:38 PM (bxiXv)

99 when I first saw Julie Newmar on the Batman TV show, it was the first time I was aware of my boy parts beyond just making pee pee

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 06:38 PM (8sCoq)

100 Neanderthal chicks are easy.

Damn strong, but easy.
Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 10:31 PM

Just remember caveman rule #1 and make sure you drag them by their hair, because if you drag them by their feet they fill up with dirt.

Posted by: Berserker at July 30, 2012 06:38 PM (FMbng)

101 I've always figured if they tried a GPS on cars that a simple solution would be to get a charged car battery and some jumper cables. 400+ amps will melt every single wire, electrode and circuit in the thing.

Or make a Telsa coil. That arc can be sufficient to span the width of the device and leave no marks behind as the innards are fried.

'Course, they'd just make the law that if it's found defective or inoperative, you have to pay a tax/fine/penalty (The piss-yellow coward John Roberts says it OK*).

So really, the only solution is tar and feathers. Blood, if necessary.

* Have I mentioned how evil the piss-yellow coward John Robert's ruling is lately? There's another example, such a totalitarian infringement on the life of a free man, to that piss-yellow coward, is constitutional.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 30, 2012 06:39 PM (imtbm)

102 xkcd deserves way more readership by our side...

Posted by: Coldstream at July 30, 2012 06:39 PM (qrCKL)

103 People would buckle the belts, thensit on hem; otherwise it was a ten minute "creative splicing" job to defeat the system.

Wankers. Be very wary of The Stoopid BusinessÂ™ operation in conjunction with the government. Posted by: AltonJackson at July 30, 2012 10:35 PM

Actually you could beat it by arching so your ass was off the seat. It worked since I was very young then and it was shitty 70s Detroit technology

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2012 06:39 PM (Y7XKa)

104 The first time I saw a commercial for Progressive's GPS thingy, I immediately said, "Pretty soon, those are going to be mandatory." (Support "Right to Repair" and keep your old car on the road as long as you can.)

Posted by: Farmer Joe at July 30, 2012 06:39 PM (P8oOy)

105 95 175 is over the next 5 years.57 is this year.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 06:40 PM (6o4Fb)

106 So, Neanderthal chicks prompted the invention of beer?

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 06:40 PM (t2228)

107 He's mine you Bosh'tet Posted by: Tali'zorah vas Normandy at July 30, 2012 10:38 PM (GULKT) LOL

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 06:40 PM (bxiXv)

108 51 DEAD ON ACCURATE!!!! Whatever cancer(some deadly something) movie she was in she had her clothes off the hole (giggle) movie. The wife and I looked away and were uncomfortable until it was over....she is ugly naked - awful. that said, she looks real good in tight leather...no visable skin except face +++++

Posted by: sunny at July 30, 2012 06:40 PM (GSGoq)

109 The NCAA has officially lost their shit. They've banned college coaches from coaching their athletes at the Olympics. They can seriously go fuck themselves.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 30, 2012 06:40 PM (ZhEoC)

110 Montgomery County MD is chock a block full of Speed cameras and red light cameras. I am one county and a world away from Mont. Co. I wouldn't live down there for all the tea in China. The libtard statists down there think those things are just swell.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 30, 2012 06:41 PM (jucos)

111 * Have I mentioned how evil the piss-yellow coward John Robert's ruling is lately? Posted by: RoyalOil at July 30, 2012 10:39 PM (imtbm) Not often enough.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 06:41 PM (bxiXv)

112 104 Wasn't that the main reason for the cash for clunkers bullshit?

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 06:41 PM (cQmXn)

113 97 Back off Bitch

Posted by: Miranda Lawson at July 30, 2012 06:41 PM (EhUTA)

114 Could we talk Danny Glover and Sean Penn into moving to Venezuela since they say it's a paradise?

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2012 06:41 PM (Y7XKa)

115 I use Facebook for it's supposed purpose....to keep in touch with extended family and some old friends. Only the ones worth keeping in touch with. I do have to endure a steady stream of libtardism from some of them. It's better than venturing into the Kos or DU asylums. But I use them for sparring practice. They truly do live in a bizarro world.

Posted by: Arboc Rednammoc at July 30, 2012 06:42 PM (CofEF)

116 xkcd deserves way more readership by our side... yeah that surprised me. I haven't been there too terribly often but it didn't seem all that overtly leftoid

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 30, 2012 06:42 PM (rW4t3)

117 I remember that seatbelt interlock garbage. 1974. It took 30 seconds with a jumper to defeat. Made up a shitload and cured many cars.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 30, 2012 06:42 PM (SAMxH)

118 108 "Love and Other Drugs"

Posted by: no good deed at July 30, 2012 06:42 PM (mjR67)

119 Progressive Insurance lives up to their name - freakin' communist sympathizers, have been for a long time.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 06:42 PM (bxiXv)

120 175 is over the next 5 years.57 is this year.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 10:40 PM (6o4Fb)

I feel rather ill that I'm seeing this as cheery news.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 30, 2012 06:42 PM (tQHzJ)

121 Maybe we should find this Oh guy and kill the cowardly bastard.

Posted by: Ronster at July 30, 2012 06:43 PM (fqpzt)

122 111 Roberts.That cunts name will go down in history as a fucking traitor and coward.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 06:43 PM (6o4Fb)

123 Have I mentioned how evil the piss-yellow coward John Robert's ruling is lately? can't be said often enough

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 30, 2012 06:43 PM (rW4t3)

124 112: Probably. I figured it was mostly a vote buying thing: "Obama bought me a new car!"

Posted by: Farmer Joe at July 30, 2012 06:43 PM (P8oOy)

125 And I'm not surprised that Amazon tilts Right or at least fails to tilt Left. Christian books get reviewed by Christians; anti-Christian trolls at those booksites get downdinged to nothing.

Books critical of Islam, also, get reviewed by Islam-skeptics, who are mostly Christian conservatives. Some liberal agnostics and Jews, like Ibn Warraq and Bat Yeor, do show up... to write the books... but the reading audience seems still to be Christian.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 06:43 PM (QTHTd)

126 OT, but did anyone else read the comments in the NYT re the breast feeding "mandate". They were all for it! Just like they were highly enthused about the drink maximum ounce rule. They really do deserve what they're getting.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 06:44 PM (cQmXn)

127 Holy shit. I need to get a life. one and two? Must be the summer and the moron horde is not posting.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at July 30, 2012 06:44 PM (3ZjAP)

128 On a side note, Yvonne Strahovski is stunningly beautiful.

Posted by: Big T Party at July 30, 2012 06:44 PM (EhUTA)

129 9557 Coal plants shutting down this year alone.Rolling blackouts soon?
Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 10:29 PM (6o4Fb)

Try 175. Things are going to get squirrely.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 30, 2012 10:37 PM

Most of the plants are on the east coast and mid-east. Have fun in PA, NJ, NY, CT, MA, RI, DC and VA. I am sure that frequent outages can only help your productivity and quality of life.

Posted by: rd at July 30, 2012 06:45 PM (9sUlj)

130 112 104 Wasn't that the main reason for the cash for clunkers bullshit? Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 10:41 PM (cQmXn) That was an almost perfect example of government doing The Wrong Thing. They destroyed useful things, wasted taxpayer money, and encouraged people to run up debt they couldn't afford. It was utterly stupid, wasteful, and destructive.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 06:45 PM (bxiXv)

131 14 weeks until Hot Fudge Tuesday.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 06:45 PM (t2228)

132 Oh, and Progressive Insurance already offers a "plug this GPS into your car and you can save $30 a year!!!!" option for the too fucking stupid to be allowed to breed.

So yeah, the fuckers will try to buy us off first. And the stupidest bastards in America will lap it up like they are getting a free hand-job with their root beer float.
Also known as Obama voters.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 30, 2012 06:45 PM (imtbm)

133 The thinking of "It's not fair to the non-drivers"

Because non-drivers don't benefit from the road system?
The stuff they bought in stores was dropped off by a helicopter?
The police arrive on foot to their residence?
UPS delivers their packages with artillery?
The bus they ride on inflicts NO damage to the roadway?

If only car owners pay taxes on the roads:
-Only those with children should pay for the school system
-Only those on welfare should pay into welfare
-Only criminals should pay for the police

Posted by: wheelmanforhire at July 30, 2012 06:45 PM (c0Yal)

134 Worse the the seat belt interlock thing was the seat belts that closed down on you as you closed the door. I wonder how many of those things were detached or cut.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 30, 2012 06:45 PM (jucos)

135 126 Well,you'd expect that from NYT readers.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 06:45 PM (6o4Fb)

136 Conservatives are supposed to use Amazon more than commies? The guy that runs Amazon was just in the sidebar saying he was donating $2.5M to "support" gay marriage. I'm sure that'll lure even more conservatives.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 30, 2012 06:46 PM (tQHzJ)

137 108 "Love and Other Drugs" That's it, brutal nekedness ack!?

Posted by: sunny at July 30, 2012 06:46 PM (GSGoq)

138

So, Neanderthal chicks prompted the invention of beer?

----

The yeast?

Posted by: Hal Burton at July 30, 2012 06:46 PM (iYvMQ)

139 >This leaves the feds in a quandary: as people buy less gas but drive the same amount, the money to keep those roads in usable shape has to come from somewhere. Sticking non-drivers with that cost isn't fair. Taxing vehicles isn't necessarily fair. GPS tracking is the fairest.

OR

OR

the government could cut back on the money it gives to do-nothing layabouts

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 06:46 PM (8sCoq)

140 "Contrary to a widely held belief, though, car makers do not have to keep making parts for 10 years after ending production of a car or a line of cars."

http://tinyurl.com/ydn2ch6

Posted by: derit at July 30, 2012 06:46 PM (ruiF1)

141 113 97
Back off Bitch

Posted by: Miranda Lawson at July 30, 2012 10:41 PM (EhUTA)

I will destroy you!

Posted by: Jacqueline Nought at July 30, 2012 06:46 PM (GULKT)

142 >If only car owners pay taxes on the roads:
-Only those with children should pay for the school system
-Only those on welfare should pay into welfare
-Only criminals should pay for the police

Posted by: wheelmanforhire at July 30, 2012 10:45 PM (c0Yal)

Cut, jib. Newsletter?

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 06:47 PM (8sCoq)

143 Looks like my next vehicle is gonna be a mid-'70s Ford Bronco, and I don't care if I have to stop and get out to lock the hubs for the 4WD. I can swap out the rolling stock with modern day "shift on the fly" hardware. Give me something with a carb, points, condenser; and without little plastic black boxes. A mechanical truck, not an electronic truck

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 30, 2012 06:47 PM (JMmQ9)

144 Yes, he actually did say it;

[i/] Jones says Cowboys seek return to "glory hole" days of yesteryear

http://tinyurl.com/cjkqdpu

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones admits he is seeking Â“glory holeÂ” days for his franchise, which last made the playoffs in 2009 and has won only two playoff games since its triumph over Pittsburgh in Super Bowl XXX to close the 1995 season.

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2012 06:47 PM (Y7XKa)

145 Just changed my insurance to USAA. Saved a shit load of money.

Posted by: Ronster at July 30, 2012 06:47 PM (fqpzt)

146 So, Neanderthal chicks prompted the invention of beer? ---- The yeast? Posted by: Hal Burton at July 30, 2012 10:46 PM (iYvMQ) Goggles.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 06:47 PM (t2228)

147 124 win, win, then! No repairable old cars, and bammy buying me a new car!

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 06:48 PM (cQmXn)

148 128 On a side note, Yvonne Strahovski is stunningly beautiful. Did she get the teeth fixed yet? She had some ganglers in Chuck

Posted by: sunny at July 30, 2012 06:48 PM (GSGoq)

149 Give me something with a carb, points, condenser; and without little plastic black boxes. A mechanical truck, not an electronic truck ----------- They've even forced motorcycles to to to EFI. Mine has carbs, thank goodness.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at July 30, 2012 06:49 PM (P8oOy)

150 128 On a side note, Yvonne Strahovski is stunningly beautiful.

Posted by: Big T Party at July 30, 2012 10:44 PM (EhUTA)

Second best thing about Chuck was her always winding up in a bikini or bra and panties.

The best thing about Chuck was Adam Baldwin being a badass.

Posted by: buzzion at July 30, 2012 06:49 PM (GULKT)

151 The first step in getting GPS on all cars won't be a federal law requiring them. It will be insurance companies offering discounts for installing them. Insurance companies responding to federal mandates, of course.

Posted by: Scobface at July 30, 2012 06:49 PM (IoNBC)

152 The first step in getting GPS on all cars won't be a federal law requiring them. It will be insurance companies offering discounts for installing them. ------------ Yup. It'll just get too expensive not to.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at July 30, 2012 06:50 PM (P8oOy)

153 Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 10:44 PM (cQmXn) that reminds me of this one NYT editorial, written by their current house conservative at the time it discussed the connection between the progressive movement and the eugenics movement ANDI SWEAR the top rated comments there were along the lines of 1. asshole conservative tries to tie us to discredited practices and 2. Downs syndrome babies would be better off dead they are just stupid

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 30, 2012 06:50 PM (rW4t3)

154

110 Truck monkey: Proposed ordinance in Montgomery County (backed by SEIU) would require that employers provide severance pay to contract employees when a contract is terminated.

No matter how squirrelly the libtards in NoVa get, we're still better than the idjits in MoCo.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at July 30, 2012 06:51 PM (CS/JB)

155    I drive a 25 year old suv with no computer-only electronic ignition which I do love, for the reliability.

   The Toy has a dual breaker point distributor that does the job just fine.

    Wife drives the transportation module. I hate the damn thing.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 30, 2012 06:51 PM (SAMxH)

156 148 128 On a side note, Yvonne Strahovski is stunningly beautiful. Did she get the teeth fixed yet? She had some ganglers in Chuck Who the hell was zeroed in on her teeth? Killer body, gorgeous face, long flowing blonde hair.

Posted by: Bcochran1981 at July 30, 2012 06:51 PM (GEICT)

157 Amazon has to support the perversion of marriage, or else it will be shut down by the government. It is not enough just to offer the Secretary a polite clap when he enters the hall, tovarisch.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 06:51 PM (QTHTd)

158 You don't have to get a GPS. If you don't, there will just be a tax.

Posted by: Cicero at July 30, 2012 06:52 PM (zMouK)

159 148 A. Teeth? Who cares, with that face and body who cares. B. just started watching Chuck about a month ago. 2 seasons done. I was told it was good and it is.

Posted by: Big T Party at July 30, 2012 06:52 PM (EhUTA)

160

Give me something with a carb, points, condenser; and without little plastic black boxes. A mechanical truck, not an electronic truck

Even I can make the old shit work. I look under the hood of a new car and don't know what I'm looking at.

Posted by: Ronster at July 30, 2012 06:52 PM (fqpzt)

161 Ohh.. sorry, I don't mean the government, I mean various 'independent' activists whom the government just happens to support

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 06:52 PM (QTHTd)

162

Buy manual.

Pull GPS fuse.

Posted by: Invictos at July 30, 2012 06:53 PM (OQpzc)

163 So who pays for a broken mandated GPS?

Posted by: CDR M at July 30, 2012 06:53 PM (dKV5k)

164

151The first step in getting GPS on all cars..............will be a government takeover of the automobile industry.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at July 30, 2012 06:53 PM (PQ2/5)

165 163 So who pays for a broken mandated GPS? That's a silly question.

Posted by: Bcochran1981 at July 30, 2012 06:54 PM (GEICT)

166 132 Oh, and Progressive Insurance already offers a "plug this GPS into your car and you can save $30 a year!!!!" option for the too fucking stupid to be allowed to breed.

So yeah, the fuckers will try to buy us off first. And the stupidest bastards in America will lap it up like they are getting a free hand-job with their root beer float.
Also known as Obama voters.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 30, 2012 10:45 PM

I'm a do-gooder who uses Flo's big brother device who thinks it's there to save him a few bucks a month. What I don't know is that Flo turned my tracker ID information over to DHS and they thought I was somebody else, and now me and my car have a thousand rounds plugged into us

Think your cheap pay by the mile insurance will pay for all that?

Get Allstate, and protect yourself from Mayhem ... like me

Posted by: Allstate Mayhem Guy at July 30, 2012 06:54 PM (Y7XKa)

167 Pull GPS fuse. ---------- And get a call from your insurance company.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at July 30, 2012 06:55 PM (P8oOy)

168 Boy, we sure went through a Catoman drought between Julie and Anne. Saw the Batman finale this weekend. It was gripping and a fitting ending to a standalone trilogy. And I saw more of the late French revolution than Occupy Wall Street, but allusions to the latter are certainly apt.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone cultist at July 30, 2012 06:55 PM (I2LwF)

169 @ 158 No you have to get a back up camera , because it will save 3 live a year at a cost of 1 Billion Dollars , life is precious!

Posted by: Clemenza at July 30, 2012 06:56 PM (jlQ7t)

170 153 Wow, I missed that one, but am familiar with the evil concept. Oh, and did anyone catch that article earlier today about keeping brain-dead patients alive to harvest their organs? I immediately thought of the book, "Coma", which, much like "1984", seemed so far fetched at the time!

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 06:56 PM (cQmXn)

171 I can't buy Allstate, because they have the ads that say, "That's Allstate, Stan," and my name's not Stan.

Posted by: Scobface at July 30, 2012 06:56 PM (IoNBC)

172

129:
Most of the plants are on the east coast and mid-east. Have funinPA, NJ, NY, CT, MA, RI, DC and VA. I am sure that frequent outages can only help your productivity and quality of life.

We don't need coal plant shutdowns to cause power outages.We have PEPCO and Dominion Power.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at July 30, 2012 06:56 PM (CS/JB)

173 159 We watched until Chuck got skills and then it just wasn't the same for us. ...you'll be looking at her teeth now, sorry...

Posted by: sunny at July 30, 2012 06:57 PM (GSGoq)

174 I don't have a Facebook account, and those are just hunks of deer in my freezer.

Posted by: mugiwara at July 30, 2012 06:57 PM (KI/Ch)

175 This leaves the feds in a quandary: as people buy less gas but drive the same amount, the money to keep those roads in usable shape has to come from somewhere. Sticking non-drivers with that cost isn't fair.
***
Wait, taxes are supposed to be fair? Seriously?

Arguably the government should be taking taxes out of the general fund to pay for roads anyway, since they are services the taxpayers use, not taking funds from gas taxes to pay for "public transit"

Posted by: 18-1 at July 30, 2012 06:58 PM (AUeaU)

176 And get a call from your insurance company.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at July 30, 2012 10:55 PM (P8oOy)

If it gets that bad, I'll just drive without insurance and tell them my name is Pedro if I get stopped.

Posted by: Invictos at July 30, 2012 06:58 PM (OQpzc)

177 I know one thing when you own a 50 cal Barret , they track your ass all over the land.

Posted by: Clemenza at July 30, 2012 06:58 PM (jlQ7t)

178 I might have to rethink and get that natural gas standby generator.

Posted by: CDR M at July 30, 2012 06:58 PM (dKV5k)

179 If you disable the GPS, your health insurance is terminated and you have to pay a penalty, ahem, tax, in 72 hours or your will be imprisoned and your family will be sold to North Korean slave traders with bad breath. For the children.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 06:59 PM (t2228)

180 Hell, I don't even know anybody named Stan.

Posted by: Scobface at July 30, 2012 06:59 PM (IoNBC)

181 Mandatory GPS tracker device in your car is coming....

Unless you're an illegal, then you'll get instructions from the government in Spanish on how to disconnect them

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2012 06:59 PM (Y7XKa)

182 xkcd deserves way more readership by our side...

I've noticed that those who are very smart in the science/math/engineering fields tend to fall for the idea that they can order society.

Posted by: Alex at July 30, 2012 06:59 PM (oL8vk)

183 145 "Glory Hole" used to have a different meaning.It was a gold mining term.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 06:59 PM (6o4Fb)

184 Doesn't the government store excess roads funds in a "lock box" like they do Social Security? /

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 30, 2012 07:00 PM (jucos)

185 176 Make sure you tell them that you went to high school so you get classified as a "Dreamer".

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 07:00 PM (cQmXn)

186 184 ha SUUUURE they do

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 30, 2012 07:01 PM (rW4t3)

187 @184 Only in Sacramento Cullifornia

Posted by: Clemenza at July 30, 2012 07:01 PM (jlQ7t)

188 So I found some spiders in my bathroom over the weekend. Due to discussions of the great spider truce I let them live.

But now I've found drowned spiders in my shower twice.

This violation of the treaty by suicide spiders assassins will not go unpunished.

This my friends means WAR.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 30, 2012 07:01 PM (AUeaU)

189 @ 183

Wasn't there a mine named the Glory hole?

Posted by: irongrampa at July 30, 2012 07:01 PM (SAMxH)

190 Alex those are the pretentious ones yeah

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 30, 2012 07:02 PM (rW4t3)

191 I might have to rethink and get that natural gas standby generator.

Posted by: CDR M at July 30, 2012 10:58 PM (dKV5k)

I've been thinking about seeing if I could build a steam powered one.

Posted by: Invictos at July 30, 2012 07:02 PM (OQpzc)

192 Wasn't there a mine named the Glory hole? Posted by: irongrampa at July 30, 2012 11:01 PM (SAMxH) ------------------------------------------------- Why yes, I do call mine the Glory Hole.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at July 30, 2012 07:02 PM (jucos)

193 "Glory Hole" used to have a different meaning.It was a gold mining term.

Hence the ski run in Alta (Utah) with that name....

But if you're in Wyoming, who's up for skiing Brokeback Mountain this winter? http://www.skibrokeback.com/trail_map.htm

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 07:03 PM (QTHTd)

194

I've noticed that those who are very smart in the science/math/engineering fields tend to fall for the idea that they can order society.

I think you have those fields confused with polisci, basket weaving and womyns studies.

Posted by: Ronster at July 30, 2012 07:03 PM (fqpzt)

195 Why yes, I do call mine the Glory Hole.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at July 30, 2012 11:02 PM (jucos)

You misspelled Chunnel.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 30, 2012 07:04 PM (BAS5M)

196 191 I might have to rethink and get that natural gas standby generator. Natural gas is one reason I'm convinced we'll all eventually have GPS on our cars. Millions of people have home access to natural gas--with no road taxes included in the price. As technology improves, more and more people will begin powering their cars with it. Without GPS, the fuel will continue to be untaxed.

Posted by: Scobface at July 30, 2012 07:04 PM (IoNBC)

197 194

Peak oil, overpopulation, AGW et al.

Posted by: derit at July 30, 2012 07:05 PM (ruiF1)

198 I can't handle all these Obama commercials during the Olympics. Finna break my ballin ass TV.

Posted by: 0302 at July 30, 2012 07:06 PM (sRWlD)

199 That pic proves it--

Julie Newmar PWNS Catwoman.

Posted by: nickless at July 30, 2012 07:06 PM (MMC8r)

200 WRT old vs. new cars, I'm the fellow you yell at to "get off your lawn." While some new-car features suck ass, I would *always* rather have EFI than carbs (for example, there are many other ways in which new cars are Just Plain Better). Occasionally it is hard to get at components or such, but I would rather deal with that all day long than fight with carbs, or put up with old-car handling, seats, controls, "climate control," etc. I drove old cars for a long time, not so much now. This week's repair *might* cost me less on an old car, but I'd have to put up with the rest of it every other day. Besides, Debt-For-Cars smashed all the parts cars.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 07:06 PM (bxiXv)

201 You socks are so clever. I have a loong way to go to be a real moronette. (e.g., getting my iPad to allow the word "moronette").

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 07:07 PM (cQmXn)

202 I've noticed that those who are very smart in the science/math/engineering fields tend to fall for the idea that they can order society. Posted by: Alex at July 30, 2012 10:59 PM (oL8vk) Like Derb? I've actually found the opposite - it's just that most of them are very, very quiet.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 07:07 PM (OIuTH)

203 no there really are some pretentious leftoid science nerds who think stupid humans should be led by smart people like them

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 30, 2012 07:07 PM (rW4t3)

204 I think you have thosefields confused with polisci, basket weaving and womyns studies.

Nope, the science/math/engineering ones are the worst. I think it's because you have a lot of borderline aspies. They want the world to be as neat and ordered as the problems that they're used to solving.

Posted by: Alex at July 30, 2012 07:07 PM (oL8vk)

205 About 1/3 of the US population will think something like the mandatory GPS is just peachy, another third will hate it and resist it, the final third will giggle and think about Robert Pattison being single and broken-hearted now. WAF

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 07:08 PM (t2228)

206 This leaves the feds in a quandary: as people buy less gas but drive the same amount, the money to keep those roads in usable shape has to come from somewhere. Sticking non-drivers with that cost isn't fair. Taxing vehicles isn't necessarily fair. GPS tracking is the fairest.

Typical "govt is good, big govt is best" mentality from the MBM. Non-bus riders still subsidize buses, non-train riders subsidize the trains. I don't get to walk in and grab a beer from a welfare queen's fridge, and I don't get to ride in a boat in Florida that belongs to a public employee who's retired

To a leftist, fair is whatever benefits me and fucks you

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2012 07:08 PM (Y7XKa)

207 195 Why yes, I do call mine the Glory Hole. Posted by: Sandra Fluke at July 30, 2012 11:02 PM (jucos) You misspelled Chunnel. Posted by: Count de Monet at July 30, 2012 11:04 PM (BAS5M) You misspelled Black Hole of Calcutta

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 07:08 PM (OIuTH)

208 "Why Do So Many Arab Leaders Wear Mustaches?" Because it makes them look less like goats? It is bad, very bad, to look too much like a goat at any time in those highly advanced civilizations. Wearing those dresses is confusing enough for everyone, I imagine ... no, no, I don't really want to imagine ... but, wearing those dresses has got to mess people up, and then if you had to worry about being mistaken for a goat, oh god!

Posted by: and irresolute at July 30, 2012 07:08 PM (Q492A)

209 I did some research,Hathaway is "ugly naked"??

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 07:08 PM (6o4Fb)

210 I think you have thosefields confused with polisci, basket weaving and womyns studies. Posted by: Ronster at July 30, 2012 11:03 PM (fqpzt) A significant percentage of the geeks / science geeks I've known are Paulians and/or "sex and drugs" Libertarians, or AGW cultists because of "Scientism," the religion that says Men In White Coats Have All The Answers And Never, Ever Lie Or Make Mistakes.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 07:09 PM (bxiXv)

211 Like Derb?

I could never stand Derb.

Posted by: Alex at July 30, 2012 07:09 PM (oL8vk)

212 204 Posted by: Alex at July 30, 2012 11:07 PM (oL8vk)

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

Posted by: Ronster at July 30, 2012 07:10 PM (fqpzt)

213 So, morons. What did you do today to support your beloved President, Barack Obama?

He works so hard and sacrifices so much for our own good, what have you done for Him?

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at July 30, 2012 07:10 PM (1RIcI)

214
Nope, the science/math/engineering ones are the worst.
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From my own personal experience, while there were certainly leftoids in the science majors, they tended to be much more conservative then the social science/liberal arts types.

And I never flirted with liberalism even while in college. Which probably made things harder on the dating front...especially being a physics nerd.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 30, 2012 07:10 PM (AUeaU)

215 213 So, morons. What did you do today to support your beloved President, Barack Obama? I jacked off.

Posted by: Scobface at July 30, 2012 07:11 PM (IoNBC)

216 211 Like Derb? I could never stand Derb. Posted by: Alex at July 30, 2012 11:09 PM (oL8vk) He is an ornery fellow - but he has always been completely polite and friendly in all the correspondence I've had with him.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 07:11 PM (OIuTH)

217 A significant percentage of the geeks / science geeks I've known are Paulians and/or "sex and drugs" Libertarians, or AGW cultists because of "Scientism," the religion that says Men In White Coats Have All The Answers And Never, Ever Lie Or Make Mistakes. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 11:09 PM (bxiXv) Sadly so. They still ain't gonna get laid.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 07:11 PM (t2228)

218 210 That's what I find. The math/science are Ron Paul/Drug libertarians.

Posted by: Big T Party at July 30, 2012 07:11 PM (EhUTA)

219 "Scientism," the religion that says Men In White Coats Have All The Answers And Never, Ever Lie Or Make Mistakes. yes fuck them with a rusty bunsen burner

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 30, 2012 07:11 PM (rW4t3)

220 LOLz, New Yorker staffer has been fired, for pulling his quotes out of context - and by context, I mean "thin air"
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120730/DA0BF4984.html

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 07:12 PM (QTHTd)

221 204 I think you have thosefields confused with polisci, basket weaving and womyns studies. Nope, the science/math/engineering ones are the worst. I think it's because you have a lot of borderline aspies. They want the world to be as neat and ordered as the problems that they're used to solving. ------------------ Academics, generally, are pretty convinced of their superior smartness and fitness to order society.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at July 30, 2012 07:12 PM (P8oOy)

222

210 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 11:09 PM (bxiXv)

I must be an exception to the rule.

Posted by: Ronster at July 30, 2012 07:12 PM (fqpzt)

223 I did some research,Hathaway is "ugly naked"??

I've only seen her unclothed in Havoc, and she looked pretty good in that.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 30, 2012 07:13 PM (jwfD6)

224 Robert Pattison being single and broken-hearted now.
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I hear Kal Penn is available since his ex-boyfriend has to appear serious with the beard.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 30, 2012 07:13 PM (AUeaU)

225 Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2012 11:08 PM (Y7XKa) Yup. Did you happen to hear Dennis Prager's interview of E.J. Dionne? They really believe all that shit.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 07:13 PM (cQmXn)

226 220 The usual left wing liar pulls the quotes out of their ass.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 07:13 PM (6o4Fb)

227 Nope, the science/math/engineering ones are the worst. I think it's because you have a lot of borderline aspies. They want the world to be as neat and ordered as the problems that they're used to solving. Posted by: Alex at July 30, 2012 11:07 PM (oL8vk) Wait a sec - I'm an engineering dude, and the only people to the "right" of me are potato-e farmers with fallout shelters. The overwhelming majority of my CS co-workers are right, as were all my engineering buds in college. A lot of the business guys were lefties.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 07:13 PM (OIuTH)

228

"but it seems that all peoples, everywhere, enjoyed cross-species love."

Don't judge me!

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at July 30, 2012 07:14 PM (3PHCO)

229 223 Commenter "sunny" is a strange moron,he sayid Hathaway was ugly naked and the chick from Chuck has/had bad teeth.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 07:14 PM (6o4Fb)

230 A lot of the business guys were lefties.

Big Business has found out it is far easier to buy off Democrat politicians then to try competing in a free market.

Of course some of them are realizing Obama wasn't just any Democrat.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 30, 2012 07:15 PM (AUeaU)

231 Posted by: derit at July 30, 2012 10:46 PM derit, I've read the article, and it's almost correct. I work in The Stoopid BusinessÂ™; it's true, they don't have to supply service parts for ten years. Service parts have to be supplied for seven years. First, other than engines and transmissions, the OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers, ie Ford, Gov.Motors, Chrysler, etc.) don't build shit. They make vehicles by assembling purchased parts. Second, if you're a supplier to the OEMs, when you are awarded the business to supply the widget / gasket assembly for the 2015 Piece of Shit, one of the lines in the boilerplate is that "...thou shalt maintain the tooling and capacity to produce said parts for a minimum of 7 (seven) years after the regular production run..." To the point of the WSJ piece, whether the OEM wants to deal with it or not is another story. Third, in re: the long term availability of service parts: sometimes, at the end of regular production, the OEMs service parts operations will do a "one time buy" for what they anticipate will be the service demand for each part over a six to ten year horizon. There's actuarial science and maths involved in the calculations. Sometimes, they get it wrong, and they burn through their stock of service parts much faster than they planned. I'm not "jumpin' ugly" with you derit; it just happens to fall in my wheelhouse and today I'm just generally disgusted with The Stoopid BusinessÂ™. Had I been specifically disgusted with The Stoopid BusinessÂ™, I would have melted the inter tube web net thingies

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 30, 2012 07:15 PM (JMmQ9)

232 227 Engineers have common sense.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 07:16 PM (6o4Fb)

233 Commenter "sunny" is a strange moron,he sayid Hathaway was ugly naked and the chick from Chuck has/had bad teeth.
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I think I could lower my standards for both of them.

Just this one time though mind you. Um, until the next one time. And the 18 million after that.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 30, 2012 07:16 PM (AUeaU)

234 229 223 Commenter "sunny" is a strange moron,he sayid Hathaway was ugly naked and the chick from Chuck has/had bad teeth. Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 11:14 PM (6o4Fb) Some guys nitpick elbow sharpness, "sunny" nitpicks skin and teef. Let's call the whole thing off.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 07:16 PM (OIuTH)

235

That North Korea story has me pretty enraged. Just like leftists to lead us to their utopia and then sell us out when it all goes to shit. This kind of shit scum isn't even human.

Im seriously losing my sense of humor about this shit. Wheen that hippie fuck on the street comes up to collect my signature to "stop corporations from donating to politics" I just want to head butt him. I won't. But god damnit I almost did.

Posted by: bern at July 30, 2012 07:17 PM (xXhWA)

236 What would be really interesting would to take a poll of all people in the top 2% of IQs and find their political persuasion. In my experience our side would win handily but I'd love to see that study.

Posted by: Big T Party at July 30, 2012 07:17 PM (EhUTA)

237 I've only seen her unclothed in Havoc Waterhouse ----------- And there you must stop....you must stop man!

Posted by: sunny at July 30, 2012 07:17 PM (GSGoq)

238 220 "Imagine: How Creativity Works" is the name of the book. That is some delicious irony.

Posted by: no good deed at July 30, 2012 07:18 PM (mjR67)

239 The "scientists should run it all" sort of person is the prototype of the "wise fool" that donated its name to sophomore classes. Smart enough to think they could make good decisions for everyone, but foolish since they don't realize that they might have better things to do with themselves than that, even if it were true. The liberal arts equivalent is motivated more by trying to pull down anyone that might do better than they can do. "A rising tide lifts the good boats more than my crappy one" is their motto.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 07:18 PM (rzSn3)

240 I see ads online for the SCOAMF with Worf and the two girls

Under the MBM/Sullivan/Maher/Griffin rule, aren't they fair game for mocking and insulting since they're used in the campaign?

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2012 07:18 PM (Y7XKa)

241 Academics, generally, are pretty convinced of their superior smartness and fitness to order society. Posted by: Farmer Joe at July 30, 2012 11:12 PM (P8oOy) True scientists are humble because they know the Universe has infinite to make their most beloved ideas splat like ice cream falling on a hot sidewalk. That's how you know the AGW priests are false scientists. They are trying to play hide and seek with the Universe. Universe don't plat dat.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 07:19 PM (t2228)

242 I can still get most parts for my 1935 JD model A. You may see me driving down the highway with a red triangle on the near in the near future.

Posted by: Ronster at July 30, 2012 07:19 PM (fqpzt)

243 What would be really interesting would to take a poll of all people in the top 2% of IQs and find their political persuasion. In my experience our side would win handily but I'd love to see that study. ----------------- I'm not sure about that. Intelligence and hubris are not mutually exclusive, and may even be comorbid.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at July 30, 2012 07:19 PM (P8oOy)

244 Wheen that hippie fuck on the street comes up to collect my signature to "stop corporations from donating to politics" Posted by: bern at July 30, 2012 11:17 PM (xXhWA) Just ask if it also stops unions and billionaire Nazi collaborators as well.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 07:20 PM (bxiXv)

245 Watching NBC prime time coverage.......they really want the USA men to lose, don't they? FOAD

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at July 30, 2012 07:20 PM (5UcDQ)

246 243 Yes and many high IQ types lack even a smidgen of common sense.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 07:20 PM (6o4Fb)

247 Who says IQ measures anything except ability to score well on the IQ test?

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 07:21 PM (rzSn3)

248 A significant percentage of the geeks / science geeks I've known are Paulians and/or "sex and drugs" Libertarians, or AGW cultists because of "Scientism," the religion that says Men In White Coats Have All The Answers And Never, Ever Lie Or Make Mistakes.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 11:09 PM (bxiXv)

Yep. Because in general tech/science geeks

1. Think they're smarter than everybody else in all areas.
2. Don't quite understand how human beings actually behave
3. Are irresistibly attracted to Grand Theories of Everything

So most of them end up being either hardcore Left-tards or Ronulons. Neither of which should ever be put in charge of anything that matters.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 30, 2012 07:21 PM (pAlYe)

249 Wheen that hippie fuck on the street comes up to collect my signature to "stop corporations from donating to politics"

Oh, they ran up to me with that petition too. (Boulder, ftw!) I blew off the first guy. Second guy - I approached him. I told that hippie / hobo that the government was, itself, a corporation.

I might have blown his mind.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 07:22 PM (QTHTd)

250 234 And the feet.....omg the feet....nah, no more trouble areas other than the teeth and the bad nudity, and maybe the..............

Posted by: sunny at July 30, 2012 07:22 PM (GSGoq)

251 247 Who says IQ measures anything except ability to score well on the IQ test? Posted by: Oldcat

No one who's ever encountered a group of MENSAns. Good lord.

Posted by: Dianna at July 30, 2012 07:23 PM (mKMj1)

252 247 Who says IQ measures anything except ability to score well on the IQ test? Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 11:21 PM (rzSn3) Yo!

Posted by: Indrid Qole, Excutive VP, Sales, IQ Testing Metrics, LLC at July 30, 2012 07:23 PM (OIuTH)

253 So most of them end up being either hardcore Left-tards or Ronulons. Neither of which should ever be put in charge of anything that matters. Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at July 30, 2012 11:21 PM (pAlYe) I don't even say most - maybe a majority. Certainly a lot. Definitely not being put in charge, for most. If only because most geeks are horrible managers. The exceptions are Gold, though.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 07:23 PM (bxiXv)

254 243 Were I to guess I think it would come out 50-50 like pretty much everything else, I just want to see some hard data. My personal experience would put us at 100% with people I am sure are in the top 2%. But I don't seek out liberal geniuses.

Posted by: Big T Party at July 30, 2012 07:24 PM (EhUTA)

255 247 Who says IQ measures anything except ability to score well on the IQ test? Not me. That's all it measures. In defense of IQ tests, though--it measures that very, very well.

Posted by: Scobface at July 30, 2012 07:24 PM (IoNBC)

256 Posted by: sunny at July 30, 2012 11:22 PM (GSGoq) I wouldn't kick her out of bed by a long shot, but she isn't all that.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 07:24 PM (OIuTH)

257

Just ask if it also stops unions and billionaire Nazi collaborators as well. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 11:20 PM (bxiXv)

I already told him I support freedom of speech. He said "OK!" and was generally speechless. Today I guess he forgot and asked again. I wasn't in a cheery mood though. I just said "commie fucking tool, still out here trying to supress speech..." and his eyes just got really big. I'm sure he'll try again tomorrow.

Posted by: bern at July 30, 2012 07:24 PM (xXhWA)

258 I told that hippie / hobo that the government was, itself, a corporation.
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Liberalism is nominally a corundum - people abuse power so let's give all the power to as small a group of people as possible and make them insulated from public.

Of course if you presume liberals are flat out lying in what they claim their goals are suddenly everything fits in place nicely.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 30, 2012 07:25 PM (AUeaU)

259 hi all
mmm catwoman
i'd like to pet her pusseh
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone
OMG! Cool Czech has hacked chemjeff's phone!

Maybe Weiner's phone was hacked after all?!

Posted by: wicket whip at July 30, 2012 07:25 PM (vDl/w)

260 Like Milton Freedman asked Phil Donahue, who are these angels that you would entrust with all these decisions? (paraphrase) He went on to say that he wouldn't even trust Donahue, who of course was struck dumb, being one of the biggest libtards of all time.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 07:27 PM (cQmXn)

261 I'm old as dirt, but the math/chemistry/engineer people in my day were pretty conservative. Things have definetly changed.

Posted by: Ronster at July 30, 2012 07:27 PM (fqpzt)

262 Not me. That's all it measures. In defense of IQ tests, though--it measures that very, very well.

Posted by: Scobface at July 30, 2012 11:24 PM (IoNBC)

Well that and the fact people who score low on IQ tests do tend be the dimmer bulb types. So it's probably more accurate to say that an IQ test measures the amount of dumb you have as opposed to how smart you are.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 30, 2012 07:28 PM (pAlYe)

263 Thanks for the clarification, AJ, I greatly appreciate it.

Posted by: derit at July 30, 2012 07:28 PM (ruiF1)

264
Y'all may want to go to Breitbart and read the article about GM, and the woes they're experiencing. Market share, inner turmoil, product lines--does not look at all good.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 30, 2012 07:29 PM (SAMxH)

265 Where are we finding these nekkid pictures of Anne Hathaway?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 30, 2012 07:29 PM (jucos)

266 does not look at all good. Posted by: irongrampa at July 30, 2012 11:29 PM (SAMxH) Oh - I don't now about that...

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 07:30 PM (OIuTH)

267 people abuse power so let's give all the power to as small a group of people as possible and make them insulated from public.

I actually agree with this liberal tenet. This is exactly why I've never called myself a "conservative".

I'd restrict it to just one person, though, and allow for this power to be hereditary. Let's give this guy a monosyllabic title, so everyone can remember it - say, "king". This "king" would then have the motive to leave a better land to his son, someone with another quick-and-easy title - like, oh, "prince".

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 07:30 PM (QTHTd)

268 I have never taken an IQ test. Probably a good thing since I would have failed.

Posted by: Ronster at July 30, 2012 07:30 PM (fqpzt)

269 Was finally forced to see the Dark Knight, so now I have to go read all ace's posts about the conservative themes. O_O

I don't quite understand how Qui Gon fathered the chick, though.

Posted by: HeatherRadish is having a shitty vacation at July 30, 2012 07:30 PM (6b4v3)

270

"Of course if you presume liberals are flat out lying in what they claim their goals are suddenly everything fits in place nicely"

Please, they're commie fucks, not liberals. The fact that we even use that word to describe them is a huge victory on their part.

Posted by: bern at July 30, 2012 07:30 PM (xXhWA)

271 264 And they are paying Manchester United as much as $600($300 at least) to get their name on the jersey.Brilliant.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 07:31 PM (6o4Fb)

272 265 Where are we finding these nekkid pictures of Anne Hathaway? Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 30, 2012 11:29 PM (jucos) https://www.google.com/search?q=anne+hathaway+havoc

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 07:31 PM (OIuTH)

273
The exceptions are Gold, though.
***
ENTJs and INTJs are 4% or so of the populace combined...

Posted by: 18-1 at July 30, 2012 07:31 PM (AUeaU)

274 Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at July 30, 2012 11:28 PM (pAlYe) Maet, that's a good point. The first IQ tests were designed to detect slow-learners. I would maintain that IQ tests have little real meaning among people who are of average or better intelligence. IQ tests to this day are quite useful in identifying those who are of below-average intelligence.

Posted by: Scobface at July 30, 2012 07:31 PM (IoNBC)

275 269 Well,Batman had a child with Ras Al Ghuls daughter (but she was not Catwoman).

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 07:32 PM (6o4Fb)

276 "He works so hard and sacrifices so much for our own good, what have you done for Him?
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein"

I called him a douchebag and hoped that he ran out of vinegar. (Sure it's a sock, but I'm feelin' feisty...)

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at July 30, 2012 07:32 PM (d6TfZ)

277 Oh, my.

BTH, if you're gonna start a conversation on monarchy, I'm fleeing before my hair gets set on fire!

Good night!

Posted by: Dianna at July 30, 2012 07:32 PM (mKMj1)

278 I don't quite understand how Qui Gon fathered the chick, though. Posted by: HeatherRadish is having a shitty vacation at July 30, 2012 11:30 PM (6b4v3) When a Mommy supervillain and a Daddy supervillian love each other very much, they have sex, and she gets knocked up.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 07:32 PM (bxiXv)

279 I went to work and had 40 percent of my pay confiscated for Dear Reader

Posted by: Arboc Rednammoc at July 30, 2012 07:33 PM (UjSt7)

280 Who says IQ measures anything except ability to score well on the IQ test? Posted by: Oldcat No one who's ever encountered a group of MENSAns. Good lord. Posted by: Dianna at July 30, 2012 11:23 PM (mKMj1) And I say that as someone who did score well, while racing my buddy to see who could finish faster. I was boggled years later when I heard about Mensa for the first time.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 07:33 PM (rzSn3)

281 261 I'm old as dirt, but the math/chemistry/engineer people in my day were pretty conservative. Things have definetly changed.

Posted by: Ronster at July 30, 2012 11:27 PM (fqpzt)

Math, chemistry, mechanics, etc. have very little to do with engineering. Mostly its about belittling you co-workers to get the window cube.

Posted by: bern at July 30, 2012 07:33 PM (xXhWA)

282 #269

Well, when a gentleman and a lady like each other very, very much...

Posted by: epobirs at July 30, 2012 07:33 PM (kcfmt)

283 Nope, the science/math/engineering ones are the worst. I think it's because you have a lot of borderline aspies. That's me. Sci/Eng/Aspie. Plus left handed, INTJ. They want the world to be as neat and ordered as the problems that they're used to solving. That's not me. I've come to accept that fucked up is in fact the normal state of affairs for practically all human endevor. Every day I say to myself at least a dozen times "How could it be any other way?" when dealing with sundry clusterfucks. Engineers use this to our advantage. People will pay to have other imbeciles fucked up shit un-fucked.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 07:33 PM (OfMej)

284

IQ tests do indeed measure IQ very well.

But there is no "longitudinal" aspect to intelligence, what people generally call "common sense". High IQ doesn't mean that you can use your intelligence in a way that is obviously beneficial, or even valuable.

Someone can indeed be very intelligent, but not very functional, because a lot of very intelligent people are somewhat neurotic. And not just a little off-putting. Their high intelligence can almost make them unpleasant to be around because their high IQ has made it difficult for them to develop normal social skills.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 30, 2012 07:34 PM (sJTmU)

285 US men gymnastics are screwing the pooch 6 hours ago

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 07:34 PM (8sCoq)

286 I'd restrict it to just one person, though, and allow for this power to be hereditary. Let's give this guy a monosyllabic title, so everyone can remember it - say, "king". This "king" would then have the motive to leave a better land to his son, someone with another quick-and-easy title - like, oh, "prince". Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 11:30 PM (QTHTd) Many kings hated their sons and heirs with a passion. Nothing is absolute, and works all the time.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 07:35 PM (rzSn3)

287 285 US men gymnastics are screwing the pooch 6 hours ago Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 11:34 PM (8sCoq) That's legal in England now?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 07:35 PM (bxiXv)

288 I think most STEM geeks are pretty conservative, but the noisy ones are liberal. Like pretty much every occupation outside of media, honestly. Also, the noisier they are about their liberalism, the more they *need* you to know how smart they are. To be fair, my sample is pretty limited---basically most of the men (and quite a few women, but they don't advance as far in their careers) on my dad's side of the family are in those fields and the only really obnoxious lefty is my idiot brother who will mention his IQ in a chat about horseshit. Sometimes he even brings up IQ when it's completely unrelated to the topic of conversation.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 30, 2012 07:35 PM (FIYvq)

289 IQ tests do indeed measure IQ very well. Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 30, 2012 11:34 PM (sJTmU) By definition.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 07:36 PM (rzSn3)

290 This "king" would then have the motive to leave a better land to his son, someone with another quick-and-easy title - like, oh, "prince".
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I like that idea. ALOT!

Posted by: Charles II of Spain at July 30, 2012 07:36 PM (AUeaU)

291 A: It's how Little Miss Spellcheck will be spending Monday, Septemer 10.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 30, 2012 07:37 PM (a5ljo)

292 I like that idea. ALOT! Posted by: Charles II of Spain at July 30, 2012 11:36 PM (AUeaU) Me too!

Posted by: Kim Jong-Un at July 30, 2012 07:37 PM (bxiXv)

293 I wonder what the average IQ of congresscritters is? I imagine they give turnips a good run for the money.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 07:38 PM (OfMej)

294 That's what you call a keen grasp of the obvious.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 30, 2012 07:38 PM (sJTmU)

295 Do yourself a favor. Julie Newmar in Mackenna's Gold:

http://tinyurl.com/cb9vhdk

Posted by: Hepcat at July 30, 2012 07:38 PM (frbyY)

296 There is no bad cat woman. There is good and better.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 07:38 PM (9TTOe)

297 284 IQ tests don't measure success. They measure IQ. Which is useless without some other ability to use that intelligence in.

Posted by: Big T Party at July 30, 2012 07:38 PM (EhUTA)

298

it's all good, derit It's not you, it's me. I'm particularly pedantic this evening. Long day, longer story.

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 30, 2012 07:39 PM (JMmQ9)

299 US men gymnastics are screwing the pooch 6 hours ago

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 11:34 PM (8sCoq)

LOL. Are you even American? It's "chewing the pooch" ... and it's tough. Lotta chews. But you get the pooch spirit, so it's worth it.

Posted by: King Emperor Admiral Barky at July 30, 2012 07:39 PM (X3lox)

300 My take on power...

Distribute it widely to disparate groups. Let each group guard their own power. But make sure that it is in each groups' interest to oppose the growth of others.

It worked pretty damn well in the US for about 150 years.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 30, 2012 07:39 PM (AUeaU)

301 Bill Nye the Science Guy has a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering and the MFM puts him on TV to promote AGW. We live in a bad movie. One so bad even SyFy would not air it.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 07:39 PM (t2228)

302 Most of the plants are on the east coast and mid-east. Have funinPA, NJ, NY, CT, MA, RI, DC and VA. I am sure that frequent outages can only help your productivity and quality of life.

Posted by: rd at July 30, 2012 10:45 PM (9sUlj)

After last months ginormous power outage here in VA, every other letter to the editor was that we should bury power lines and that would stop the power outages. What they didn't know was that one of the coal power plants supplying our area was shut down this spring making ApCO to have to bring in power from further away, thus making our power more susceptible to high winds on the transmission lines.

Fucking liberals could fuck up a wet dream.

Posted by: MrCaniac at July 30, 2012 07:39 PM (1grxW)

303 I would maintain that IQ tests have little real meaning among people who are of average or better intelligence.

The g-loaded tests measure the brain's horsepower. Up to about IQ 120, horsepower matters a great deal. Above that, character starts to matter as well.

I'm basing this on why Asperger's exists, and also on the celebrated neuroses - and insanities - of the most brilliant mathematicians and other scientists. ("Coming soon to a cinema near you" :^/)

The human mind requires structure, or else it breaks.

Richard Feynman and certain other physicists and mathematicians used to say that they really weren't as smart as some others in their field; but they were able to control themselves, and to keep their heads down and keep plodding. So they got Nobel Prizes whilst their "smarter" peers got committed.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 07:39 PM (QTHTd)

304 296 That's the Western I mentioned in my earlier post.She's smoking.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 07:39 PM (6o4Fb)

305 296 Do yourself a favor. Julie Newmar in Mackenna's Gold: http://tinyurl.com/cb9vhdk Posted by: Hepcat at July 30, 2012 11:38 PM (frbyY) Julie Newmar >>> Anne Hathaway

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 07:39 PM (OIuTH)

306 294 I wonder what the average IQ of congresscritters is? I imagine they give turnips a good run for the money. Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 11:38 PM (OfMej) Hey, I never screwed over an entire country for my own good. Fuck You.

Posted by: Turnip at July 30, 2012 07:39 PM (9TTOe)

307 MENSA, yeah. What a bunch of crap. After my GRE's they sent me a letter asking for money. Big whoop. One summer in high school I had a summer job working as a janitor for my dad's employer--a chemical company doing defense work. There was one really weird engineer there. I mentioned him to my dad (a chemical engineer), and he told me the man was absolutely brilliant. I ran into the guy one day, standing dumbstruck in the middle of a parking lot, both hands on his head, apparently in the middle of an anxiety attack or something. I said, "Can I help you?" He said, "One of the tires on my cars has no air." He had not the first clue as to what to do. I changed his tire.

Posted by: Scobface at July 30, 2012 07:40 PM (IoNBC)

308

18-1 @ 301

Well, except for that Civil War thingy. Bad karma all around.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 30, 2012 07:40 PM (sJTmU)

309 Anne Hathaway has a dynamic body. But sometimes it looks like Picasso put her face together.

Posted by: Arboc Rednammoc at July 30, 2012 07:40 PM (BNuW6)

310 Q: What is taking the Jeopardy contestant audition in Philadelphia, Alex?

I took the online test back in the spring and never heard back. Until this morning's email. Apparently I passed. Details to follow when they receive my RSVP.
\

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 30, 2012 07:40 PM (a5ljo)

311 Math, chemistry, mechanics, etc. have very little to do with engineering. Mostly its about belittling you co-workers to get the window cube.

Posted by: bern at July 30, 2012 11:33 PM (xXhWA)

I never had a window cube, never belittled anyone. Sorry for for your bad experiences, real or percieved.

Posted by: Ronster at July 30, 2012 07:41 PM (fqpzt)

312 Most of your physics and astronomy folk are more conservative than other science majors. Strangely, they are also more religious. Much of the websites I visit for tips and tricks and info for spotting things with my scope have the familiar fish or cross gif spinning or flipping.

Posted by: CAC at July 30, 2012 07:41 PM (9AWpo)

313 I took the online test back in the spring and never heard back. Until this morning's email. Apparently I passed. Details to follow when they receive my RSVP. \ Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 30, 2012 11:40 PM (a5ljo) Congrats to you. Keep us posted.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 07:42 PM (9TTOe)

314 311 Cool,good luck!

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 07:42 PM (6o4Fb)

315 My take on power...

Distribute it widely to disparate groups. Let each group guard their own power. But make sure that it is in each groups' interest to oppose the growth of others.

It worked pretty damn well in the US for about 150 years.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 30, 2012 11:39 PM (AUeaU)

You forgot to start out with "limit it".

Nowadays you need to add, don't allow anyone to claim the ability to "tax" inactivity. Anyone who tries to redefine "tax" that way needs to be immediately stripped of citizenship and banished to North Korea where they like that sort of notion.

It's a sad commentary on the lack of fitness of modern homo sapien sapien.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 07:42 PM (X3lox)

316 One so bad even SyFy would not air it. Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 11:39 PM (t222

SyFy aired a film with Judd Nelson in which a black hole was created accidentally... and the army's answer was to shoot at it. Reality being worse than that says something.

Posted by: CAC at July 30, 2012 07:43 PM (9AWpo)

317 This should run after every Obama campaign commercial

http://tinyurl.com/bvwap22

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 07:43 PM (8sCoq)

318 140 "Contrary to a widely held belief, though, car makers do not have to keep
making parts for 10 years after ending production of a car or a line of
cars."

http://tinyurl.com/ydn2ch6

Posted by: derit at July 30, 2012 10:46 PM (ruiF1)

And thanks to "Cash for Clunkers", used parts are becoming harder to find. My repair guy couldn't find a seat frame for my 99 Jeep. I finally had to find one on Ebay, and the real pisser to it was that when Cash 4 Clunkers was going on, a Jeep identical to mine was traded in, and it would have had the part I needed.

Again I say, liberals could fuck up a wet dream.

Posted by: MrCaniac at July 30, 2012 07:43 PM (1grxW)

319 313 They should know,better than others,that it isn't all an accident.

Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 07:43 PM (6o4Fb)

320 >Anne Hathaway has a dynamic body. But sometimes it looks like Picasso put her face together.

Posted by: Arboc Rednammoc at July 30, 2012 11:40 PM (BNuW6)

yeah, she coulda played the Joker

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 07:44 PM (8sCoq)

321 Well, except for that Civil War thingy. Bad karma all around.
***
The South chose poorly. And we as a country paid for it. That being said, it was Lasseiz Faire America, Britian and France that ended the scourge of slavery. An accomplishment for the ages...literally.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 30, 2012 07:44 PM (AUeaU)

322 Richard Feynman and certain other physicists and mathematicians used to say that they really weren't as smart as some others in their field; but they were able to control themselves, and to keep their heads down and keep plodding. So they got Nobel Prizes whilst their "smarter" peers got committed.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 11:39 PM (QTHTd)

John Von Neumann pretty much knew everything worth knowing (and had come up with a lot of it himself). He was also the life of the party and loved telling dirty jokes.

No conversation about intelligence is complete with mentioning Von Neumann.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 07:45 PM (X3lox)

323 Reddit is about 90% unhinged leftists and about 10% moderates trying to reason with them. They have a scoring system for comments that basically ensures group think.

Posted by: JonathanEllis at July 30, 2012 07:46 PM (BdzEV)

324 "That's legal in England now?
Posted by: Merovign"

That was never illegal in England.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at July 30, 2012 07:46 PM (d6TfZ)

325 We live in a bad movie. One so bad even SyFy would not air it.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 11:39 PM (t222

Bill Nye got his start doing 6th grade science experiments on a late night local comedy show here in Seattle called Almost Live. The show was funny if you were local because it made fun of well about everyone's neighborhood. Nye would do a goofy experiement that everyone would mock and that was it.

Now he's the go to guy on science for CNN and MSNBC

Posted by: robtr at July 30, 2012 07:47 PM (MtwBb)

326 Posted by: AltonJackson at July 30, 2012 11:39 PM (JMmQ9 Could you explain to us what "pedantic" means?

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 07:47 PM (cQmXn)

327 They should know,better than others,that it isn't all an accident. Posted by: steevy at July 30, 2012 11:43 PM (6o4Fb) The more you look at the extremes- planks and strings, the concept of a pure singularity, etc- the more the mind wonders, which is a good thing. It's healthy for the mind and the soul to experience that. Also humbling. I think that is lacking sorely and is a side effect of our society basically eliminating the night.

Posted by: CAC at July 30, 2012 07:47 PM (9AWpo)

328 Math, chemistry, mechanics, etc. have very little to do with engineering. Mostly its about belittling you co-workers to get the window cube.

Posted by: bern at July 30, 2012 11:33 PM (xXhWA)

Then why do all the good jokes start out with, "There was a mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer ..."?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 07:48 PM (X3lox)

329

I tried once upon a time in college to be an Astronomy major, but was just a little too dumb to do that. Plus it is a small field and really doesn't pay too well.

David Brin, the SF writer, was actually an Astronomy Grad student at Cal Tech and just about flunked out before he quit (and he is really a bright guy - I met him once at an SF - Con about 25 years ago).

Most astronomers are pretty introverted (except for egomaniacs like Carl Cosmos), and the humbling part of studying the Universe tends to make you quietly religious, whether than is Christian or Jewish.

My once upon a time one-time Astronomy professor was actually a classmate of Carl Sagan's at the University of Chicago, and made small time fun of him at times, even though they were friends. Sort of.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 30, 2012 07:48 PM (sJTmU)

330 316 My grand idea would be to make it extremely difficult to pass laws. Say a 3/4 majority. Only very important and pressing issues would be dealt with, and power grabs would be much more difficult. The US Constitution tried to do this via strict constructionalism but did not express itself clearly enough to stop eventual power grabs. Had we stayed within the enumerated powers only Constitutional Amendments would be able to make government more tyrannical. And it is difficult to pass amendments.

Posted by: Big T Party at July 30, 2012 07:48 PM (EhUTA)

331 Could you explain to us what "pedantic" means? Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 11:47 PM (cQmXn) We already know, you need a dictionary.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 07:48 PM (9TTOe)

332 311 Q: What is taking the Jeopardy contestant audition in Philadelphia, Alex?

I took the online test back in the spring and never heard back. Until this morning's email. Apparently I passed. Details to follow when they receive my RSVP.
\

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 30, 2012 11:40 PM (a5ljo)

Remember if you get on and don't know the final jeopardy answer. Put down "What is Val-u-rite?"

Posted by: buzzion at July 30, 2012 07:48 PM (GULKT)

333 Remember if you get on and don't know the final jeopardy answer. Put down "What is Val-u-rite?" Posted by: buzzion at July 30, 2012 11:48 PM (GULKT) That is hall of AoS fame material.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 07:50 PM (9TTOe)

334 326 I now live on the east side (not Bellevue, central valley) and was wondering what happened to Almost Live. When did it go off the air?

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 07:50 PM (cQmXn)

335 Math, chemistry, mechanics, etc. have very little to do with engineering. Mostly its about belittling you co-workers to get the window cube.
Engineers aren't coworkers. They're underlings.

Posted by: dr. sheldon cooper at July 30, 2012 07:50 PM (vDl/w)

336 yeah, she coulda played the Joker
***
How about Harley Quinn and I be the Joker?

And don't you h8ters dare check out this link.

http://tinyurl.com/cx7uygf

Posted by: 18-1 at July 30, 2012 07:51 PM (AUeaU)

337 When a Mommy supervillain and a Daddy supervillian love each other very much, they have sex, and she gets knocked up.

Yeah, but Qui Gon's a Jedi.

Posted by: HeatherRadish is having a shitty vacation at July 30, 2012 07:51 PM (6b4v3)

338 332 Could you explain to us what "pedantic" means? Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 11:47 PM (cQmXn) We already know, you need a dictionary. No, you need a sarcasm decoder ring.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 07:51 PM (cQmXn)

339 don't allow anyone to claim the ability to "tax" inactivity.

First Law: "A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm."

What I have in bold should be is what separates humans from robots.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 07:52 PM (QTHTd)

340 I actually agree with this liberal tenet. This is exactly why I've never called myself a "conservative".

Conservatives agree that power corrupts people. The difference is that we view the solution to be avoid giving any one person enough power to do much damage.

Posted by: Alex at July 30, 2012 07:52 PM (oL8vk)

341 Ha, 18-1! It looks like Jack Black really approves of the dress.

Posted by: no good deed at July 30, 2012 07:53 PM (mjR67)

342

I now live on the east side (not Bellevue, central valley) and was wondering what happened to Almost Live. When did it go off the air?

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 11:50 PM (cQmXn)

1999.

Posted by: Mark at July 30, 2012 07:53 PM (wnif0)

343 326 Bill Nye is presented in schools as the greatest scientist of all time. It's despicable. The man is a little above average at best and our publik skools present him as a genius.

Posted by: Big T Party at July 30, 2012 07:54 PM (EhUTA)

344

I don't quite understand how Qui Gon fathered the chick, though.

Midichlorians.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 30, 2012 07:54 PM (J5tI6)

345 Could you explain to us what "pedantic" means? Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 11:47 PM (cQmXn) It means "covered with hair".

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 07:54 PM (t2228)

346 anne hathaway has a giant face- it's like her mouth and eyes are too big for her mug

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 07:54 PM (8sCoq)

347 Posted by: HeatherRadish is having a shitty vacation at July 30, 2012 11:51 PM (6b4v3) I'm sorry. Hey HR. I have an offer for you. I'm looking for someone to read my novel and rip it to shreds so I can do my final rewrite. I don't want you to worry about spelling and syntax. Just make sure the story makes sense. You interested?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 07:54 PM (9TTOe)

348 The man is a little above average at best and our publik skools present him as a genius. Posted by: Big T Party at July 30, 2012 11:54 PM (EhUTA) The reason is that he agrees with the Union's politics.

Posted by: Kim Jong-Un at July 30, 2012 07:55 PM (bxiXv)

349

Then why do all the good jokes start out with, "There was a mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer ..."?

I know.

Posted by: AmishDude, mathematician at July 30, 2012 07:56 PM (J5tI6)

350 345 Medichlorians- George Lucas speak for money

Posted by: Big T Party at July 30, 2012 07:56 PM (EhUTA)

351 Julie Newmar says, "Mah Coy!"

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 07:56 PM (t2228)

352 The Olympics are such bullshit. I'm so disgusted right now. Why do I keep watching? Stupid me, I guess.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at July 30, 2012 07:56 PM (d6TfZ)

353 353 The Olympics are such bullshit. I'm so disgusted right now. Why do I keep watching? Stupid me, I guess. Posted by: Hobbitopoly at July 30, 2012 11:56 PM (d6TfZ) Oh come on. You have to love the Missy Franklin story. Our girl got gold.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 07:57 PM (9TTOe)

354 Oldsailors Poet--you know I'm an engineer, right?

Posted by: HeatherRadish is having a shitty vacation at July 30, 2012 07:58 PM (6b4v3)

355 kalneva, in this case, it's a polite term for being obnoxiously snooty about one's area of expertise "Guilty as charged, Your Honor" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedantic?s=t

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 30, 2012 07:58 PM (JMmQ9)

356 Midichlorians. Next best thing to roofies.

Posted by: epobirs at July 30, 2012 07:59 PM (kcfmt)

357

I don't know that it's fair to judge the politics of scientists and engineers.

So few of them are citizens in this country.

Posted by: AmishDude, mathematician at July 30, 2012 07:59 PM (J5tI6)

358 The problem with autocracy is that power corrupts the autocrat.

The problem with democracy is that power corrupts the people.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 08:00 PM (QTHTd)

359 See above post to oldsailor. I thought you would get it. My bad.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 08:00 PM (cQmXn)

360 every other letter to the editor was that we should bury power lines and that would stop the power outages. Good luck burying those big uninsulated 40+kv lines. The 4kv secondaries and 240/440 laterals to, no problem, they do it all the time. FPL started piping new xformer/meter laterals a while ago. My crib's lateral drop was buried back in 89', but done with triplex, so it can't be easily upsized.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 08:00 PM (OfMej)

361 Japan just paid the judges some money and then got a medal. The hell is that?

Posted by: Big T Party at July 30, 2012 08:01 PM (EhUTA)

362 >The Olympics are such bullshit. I'm so disgusted right now. Why do I keep watching? Stupid me, I guess.
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at July 30, 2012 11:56 PM (d6TfZ)

I'm still waiting for the real events- track and field, weightlifting, and the thing with the skinny boats and everybody rowing is pretty cool

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 08:02 PM (8sCoq)

363 FPL started piping newxformer/meter laterals a while ago. My crib's lateral drop was buried back in 89', but done with triplex, so it can't be easily upsized. Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 12:00 AM (OfMej) Here we are watching Voyager.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 08:02 PM (t2228)

364 ...and then the chick is all "you murdered my father" and I'm all...what? That wasn't Batman, that was Darth Maul.

I hate going to movie theaters. At home, I can hit pause and get another beer and look this shit up on the internets.

Posted by: HeatherRadish is having a shitty vacation at July 30, 2012 08:02 PM (6b4v3)

365 " Our girl got gold. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet"

I am happy for her. Nice to see someone like her do well, but the f*cked up scoring on men's gymnastics is just stupid. If I wasn't so desperate for football, I wouldn't be watching.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at July 30, 2012 08:02 PM (d6TfZ)

366 ... perhaps I read too much Don Colacho.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 08:02 PM (QTHTd)

367 Japan just paid the judges some money and then got a medal. The hell is that? Posted by: Big T Party at July 31, 2012 12:01 AM (EhUTA) Yeah the Russians never had to pay. And French judges cheat on their own.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 08:03 PM (rzSn3)

368 Bob Costas managed to work the Aurora CO shooting into the coverage

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 08:03 PM (8sCoq)

369 355 Oldsailors Poet--you know I'm an engineer, right? Posted by: HeatherRadish is having a shitty vacation at July 30, 2012 11:58 PM (6b4v3) Yes. It's about enjoying the story. I'm not Hemingway. I give a shit about wearing out a thesaurus. It's a fun story. Kind of sort of biographical. I just want to know if it's entertaining or even worth pursuing.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 08:04 PM (9TTOe)

370 Japan just paid the judges some money and then got a medal. The hell is that? Corruption is accepted standard business practice in Japan.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 08:04 PM (OfMej)

371 I'm still waiting for the real events- track and field, weightlifting, and the thing with the skinny boats and everybody rowing is pretty cool Posted by: Jones in CO at July 31, 2012 12:02 AM (8sCoq) Those are cut for the exciting rhythmic gymnastics competiton, or 'pervs hanging out at the playground'

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 08:05 PM (rzSn3)

372 Japan just paid the judges some money and then got a medal. The hell is that? Posted by: Big T Party at July 31, 2012 12:01 AM (EhUTA) If the Japanese don't win something, they'll release all those giant robots they have stashed under Mt. Fuji.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 08:05 PM (t2228)

373 "I'm still waiting for the real events- track and field, weightlifting, and the thing with the skinny boats and everybody rowing is pretty cool
Posted by:Jones in CO"

Guess what? You're missing that, and won't see it in nighttime coverage. I've seen a lot of that on the daytime streaming online, but they probably won't cover that at night. And I do love the rowing.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at July 30, 2012 08:05 PM (d6TfZ)

374 OK, I'm out gotta be sleepin' by 11:30 PM Eastern, gotta get up at zero dark thirty for a big meeting with the Boss oh, shit tomorrow night, mi amigos

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 30, 2012 08:06 PM (JMmQ9)

375 Bob Costas managed to work the Aurora CO shooting into the coverage Posted by: Jones in CO at July 31, 2012 12:03 AM (8sCoq) Was it at a shooting event?

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 08:06 PM (rzSn3)

376 Fuck Obama and the wookie he rode in on.

Posted by: Boomer Redneque at July 30, 2012 08:06 PM (eQnzo)

377 John von Neumann was the smartest man you have never heard of. Albert Einstein? Don't make me laugh. Wikipedia has him down as making major contributions in the fields of set theory, functional analysis, ergodic theory, geometry, and numerical analysis in mathematics; quantum mechanics, hydrodynamics and fluid dynamics in physics; game theory in economics; and basically all of computer science. Every computer made in the last 30 years uses a modified "von Neumann" architecture that he developed in the late 1940s. To put that into perspective, it is as if materials scientists were making stealth bombers using composites that were developed by the Egyptians.

The influence that von Neumann had on modern science is difficult to overstate. He was also capable of solving hideously difficult mathematical equations in his head (some of them even involved algebra!!).

He was at the height of his abilities when he died at the age of 53, killed by cancer.

Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet troll at July 30, 2012 08:06 PM (pcnpf)

378 When will beer pong be an olympic event?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 08:06 PM (9TTOe)

379 Are you guys getting my joke now? I asked the pedant to explain what pedantic means. "rolls eyes". I know y'all don't know me yet, so I'll let you off easy. This time. Maybe my "jokes" aren't as funny as they seem in my head. Possible.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 08:06 PM (cQmXn)

380 LOL @ Japan. Didn't know they were into Latin - http://ancientolympics.arts.kuleuven.be/eng/TB025EN.html

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 08:06 PM (QTHTd)

381 Remember if you get on and don't know the final jeopardy answer. Put down "What is Val-u-rite?" Posted by: buzzion at July 30, 2012 11:48 PM (GULKT) Or better yet, "What is a SCOAMF?" 'sup jackwagons

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 30, 2012 08:07 PM (Rhie+)

382 Probably won't cover wrestling until like 5:00am and only then 30 seconds at a rip while the next infomercial is being queued up.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 08:07 PM (OfMej)

383 well played, Kalneva

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 30, 2012 08:08 PM (JMmQ9)

384 >>>If the Japanese don't win something, they'll release all those giant robots they have stashed under Mt. Fuji. The Empire of the Rising Sun has risen...

Posted by: Emperor George Takei, Alternate Universe at July 30, 2012 08:08 PM (c1WVm)

385 David, infamous sockpuppet troll- Imagine if von Neumann and Nicky Tesla had been the same age.

I'd be like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G4jnaznUoQ

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 08:08 PM (QTHTd)

386 381 Are you guys getting my joke now? I asked the pedant to explain what pedantic means. "rolls eyes". I know y'all don't know me yet, so I'll let you off easy. This time. Maybe my "jokes" aren't as funny as they seem in my head. Possible. Posted by: Kalneva at July 31, 2012 12:06 AM (cQmXn) Takes two to make a funny. One being funny equates to a psychosis.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 08:08 PM (9TTOe)

387 I've seen a lot of the boxing during the day- but I also like watching the super heavyweight weightlifting- the winner ends up lifting the equivalent of a fully stocked Coke machine

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 08:09 PM (8sCoq)

388 Oh, we'll. It's funny to me! Alton liked it, too.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 08:09 PM (cQmXn)

389 Are you guys getting my joke now? I asked the pedant to explain what pedantic means. "rolls eyes". I know y'all don't know me yet, so I'll let you off easy. This time. Maybe my "jokes" aren't as funny as they seem in my head. Possible. Posted by: Kalneva at July 31, 2012 12:06 AM (cQmXn) I got it when I first saw it. Not bad.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 08:10 PM (t2228)

390 > Maybe my "jokes" aren't as funny as they seem in my head. Possible.
Posted by: Kalneva at July 31, 2012 12:06 AM (cQmXn)

just keep throwing shit at the wall- some will eventually stick

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 08:10 PM (8sCoq)

391 >>>Then why do all the good jokes start out with, "There was a mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer ..."? Because a polisci major, an artist, and a historian walk into a bar and all they can do is get drunk and talk about how much smarter they are than the uncivilized rubes. Doesnt make good joke material.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 97% Anger Free! at July 30, 2012 08:11 PM (GE1+K)

392 John von Neumann and a pedant walk into a bar...

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 08:11 PM (t2228)

393 The Olympics are such bullshit. I'm so disgusted right now.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at July 30, 2012 11:56 PM (d6TfZ)

You should be. The Olympics are nothing but the Sports-Marxist Games. They suck shit.

I went looking for the gymnastics results the other day - real gymnastics, not the hokey rhythmic gymnastics and whatever other bullshit the sports marxists now have - and I couldn't find them on the Olympic site. I looked everywhere but they had totally disappeared. No gymnastics.

Finally, I realized that they had changed the name of normal gymnastics to "artistic gymnastics" - WTFFF? It was like marriage, where regular, run-of-the-mill marriage is now called hetero-marriage (or the even more ridiculous opposite-sex marriage) by those trying to beat it down and make it seem as abnormal as gay pretend marriage.

Artistic gymnastics ... these sports marxists are lowlifes of the worst sort. It's "GYMNASTICS" you blithering idiots!! Nothing "artistic" about it. Athletic gymnastics ... as opposed to that hokey make-believe rhythmic gymnastics. I hope this Olympic bullshit dies quickly. I'm sick of these pathetic games that hold actual competition and real sport in such contempt. The games need to die.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 08:12 PM (X3lox)

394 Posted by: Jones in CO at July 31, 2012 12:02 AM (8sCoq)

I stayed up and watched two competitors in the women's clean and jerk lift over twice their body weight. That's all I've seen of weight lifting. Can't wait for track and field. Synchronized diving is horseshit. Pretty much any "sport" that has a field of judges isn't one. I do admire the determination and craziness of the gymnasts though.

Posted by: no good deed at July 30, 2012 08:12 PM (mjR67)

395 'night! I still love ya'll even though are a little hostile. You won't shake me though. Sorry,

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 08:12 PM (cQmXn)

396 "just keep throwing shit at the wall- some will eventually stick"

-an excerpt from the Associated Press Guide to Journalism

Posted by: derit at July 30, 2012 08:12 PM (ruiF1)

397 396 'night! I still love ya'll even though are a little hostile. You won't shake me though. Sorry, Posted by: Kalneva at July 31, 2012 12:12 AM (cQmXn) Suck it up, buttercup. Love Love.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 08:13 PM (9TTOe)

398 #378

An incredible amount of the 20th Century's great intellects came out of the same time and place. Like a benign version of the Midwich Cuckoos. Makes you wonder what was really happening in Budapest in the late 19th century.

Posted by: epobirs at July 30, 2012 08:13 PM (kcfmt)

399 A John von Neumann probe and a pedant walk into a bar...

Posted by: 18-1 at July 30, 2012 08:13 PM (AUeaU)

400 go on, have your little squabbles Me? I gots a new title. and with that, seriously, I'm out. Tomorrow night, mi amigos

Posted by: Alton "The Pendant" Jackson at July 30, 2012 08:14 PM (JMmQ9)

401 Because a polisci major, an artist, and a historian walk into a bar and all they can do is get drunk and talk about how much smarter they are than the uncivilized rubes. Doesnt make good joke material. You need to add a philosopher. Then you can stipulate the punchline up front and work backward to a joke. ex. (insert lead up here) (punchline) "Because you assholes don't exist, that's why."

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 08:14 PM (OfMej)

402 whut? Who was hostile to Kalneva specifically? I missed that.

(I'm hostile to the human race as a whole. I try not to be hostile to individuals)

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 08:14 PM (QTHTd)

403 That is very sad about reddit, but the others on the left of your graph are not surprising. I hate seeing Google and GMail to the left of center, but free stuff does drift left usually, whereas the eBay, PayPal and Amazon (actual purchasers of goods vs. those who look and whine, and whine) demographic is encouraging. I presume that the circles represent population size, so again, we buyers and sellers of goods do not fare too badly. (no, that can't be correct or the Google circle would be huge...maybe I better read the damn thing. lol!)

Posted by: and irresolute at July 30, 2012 08:14 PM (Q492A)

404 Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet troll at July 31, 2012 12:06 AM (pcnpf)

Even Einstein and the rest of the gang at the IAS used to say that Von Neumann was a super-genius, perhaps out of evolutionary order.

That whole gang from Budapest were about the greatest concentration of raw genius from one small population unrivaled in history except for perhaps the ancient Greeks. A bunch of them were in the same high school. Wigner had wanted to be a mathematician but he was with Von Neumann in something like 7th grade and Wigner realized that he could never be a mathematician so he went into physics, instead.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 08:14 PM (X3lox)

405 I'm good at that, sailor.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 08:15 PM (cQmXn)

406 >Can't wait for track and field.

exactly- this is sports! who can run faster, jump higher, throw the whatzit the farthest, that kinda shit

and boxing- who can beat the snot out of who

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 08:16 PM (8sCoq)

407 I didn't mean to "squabble"! Loves!

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 08:16 PM (cQmXn)

408 331 316
My grand idea would be to make it extremely difficult to pass laws. Say a 3/4 majority. Only very important and pressing issues would be dealt with, and power grabs would be much more difficult. The US Constitution tried to do this via strict constructionalism but did not express itself clearly enough to stop eventual power grabs. Had we stayed within the enumerated powers only Constitutional Amendments would be able to make government more tyrannical. And it is difficult to pass amendments.

Posted by: Big T Party at July 30, 2012 11:48 PM (EhUTA)

That was why the Constitution made sure that Senators were not elected but appointed. Since they started to be elected, our Republic has suffered.

Posted by: MrCaniac at July 30, 2012 08:17 PM (1grxW)

409 408 I didn't mean to "squabble"! Loves! Posted by: Kalneva at July 31, 2012 12:16 AM (cQmXn) I'm sorry I didn't get your joke.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 08:18 PM (9TTOe)

410 >>>buyers and sellers of goodsdo not fare too badly. Buyer, and a bid prior to the last 5 seconds of an auction is a waste of money

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 97% Anger Free! at July 30, 2012 08:18 PM (GE1+K)

411 But to watch NBC's coverage, you'd think the olympic games consist of swimming, little girls on the monkey bars, and a few minutes of some other stuff

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 08:18 PM (8sCoq)

412 Good evenin' 'rons and 'ettes. Ohio moves to 'lean Obama'? not good

Posted by: zeera at July 30, 2012 08:20 PM (XtxRN)

413 Real on the mat wrestling is pretty exciting. The old school greeko-roman is akinda boring though. I HS I was the only heavyweight in the section that never tried to muscle people. I was all about the technique, and used a lot of the leg pinning moves the light weight guys did. confused the shit out of opponents who want to play gorilla rules.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 08:20 PM (OfMej)

414 Probably old news, but Injun Warren is speaking at the Dem convention. Awesome. And Sharpton is cutting folksy promos. Resist we fuckin' much..and that...be considered.

Posted by: RWC at July 30, 2012 08:20 PM (gwWRQ)

415 413 Good evenin' 'rons and 'ettes. Ohio moves to 'lean Obama'? not good Posted by: zeera at July 31, 2012 12:20 AM (XtxRN) Says who?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 08:20 PM (9TTOe)

416 Good luck burying those big uninsulated 40+kv lines. The 4kv secondaries and 240/440 laterals to, no problem, they do it all the time.

FPL started piping newxformer/meter laterals a while ago. My crib's lateral drop was buried back in 89', but done with triplex, so it can't be easily upsized.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 12:00 AM (OfMej)

These people don't even know about those transmission lines. I seriously think that some of these people think that their electricity is generated at ApCO's office building downtown.

Posted by: MrCaniac at July 30, 2012 08:21 PM (1grxW)

417 My grand idea would be to make it extremely difficult to pass laws. Politicians like to complain about it, but I see gridlock as plus.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 08:21 PM (OfMej)

418 All right, all right, Boulder Toilet Hobo, you are right. I should have said "John von Neumann is one of the two smartest men you have never heard of, the other being Nikola Tesla."

Mea culpa, I love both men, but teaching introductory computer architecture to undergraduates the last four years has kept John von Neumann at the forefront of my (limited) attention span.

Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet troll at July 30, 2012 08:21 PM (pcnpf)

419 418 My grand idea would be to make it extremely difficult to pass laws. Politicians like to complain about it, but I see gridlock as plus. Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 12:21 AM (OfMej) I think they should have to repeal two for every one passed until all that is left is the Constitution and state laws.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 08:23 PM (9TTOe)

420 410 well, they say if you have to 'splain it... I'm sorry for being the dummy.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 08:23 PM (cQmXn)

421

407> ".....
and boxing- who can beat the snot out of who "

Well, not to seem hostile to the rest of the peace loving globe or anything but, we are 4 for 4 right now! Yeah, baby! Errol is the kid to watch, I think.

Posted by: and irresolute at July 30, 2012 08:24 PM (Q492A)

422

@184

If Algore says there's a lock box for SS, then there's a lockbox for f*#kin' SS. Geesh people, it's like you all are starting to question the things that your public servants say... these people are there to serve you as best they can...

Tirelessly. Serving. You. The. Taxpayer.

Posted by: The guy that falls for almost anything at July 30, 2012 08:26 PM (b4mMx)

423 Good evenin' 'rons and 'ettes. Ohio moves to 'lean Obama'? not good Posted by: zeera at July 31, 2012 12:20 AM (XtxRN) They only make up lies about states they think they should win.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 08:26 PM (rzSn3)

424 >Well, not to seem hostile to the rest of the peace loving globe or anything but, we are 4 for 4 right now! Yeah, baby! Errol is the kid to watch, I think.

Posted by: and irresolute at July 31, 2012 12:24 AM (Q492A)

Yeah forget the kid's name- he was down a point going into the 3rd round- then knocked his man down twice in the final 30 seconds to win

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 08:26 PM (8sCoq)

425

414 ".. Real on the mat wrestling is pretty exciting. The old school greeko-roman is akinda boring though. "

Ah, man! More different countries have won medals in wrestling than in any other sport. It is up for grabs on any given day, you just have to bring it at the right time. The rules are easy, the moves are hard.

Posted by: and irresolute at July 30, 2012 08:27 PM (Q492A)

426 264
Y'all may want to go to Breitbart and read the article about GM, and the woes they're experiencing. Market share, inner turmoil, product lines--does not look at all good.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 30, 2012 11:29 PM

GM has been posting "great sales numbers" by channel stuffing the dealerships.

In order to curtail the embarrassment of Chevy dealers parking their stock at a closed strip mall, they use subprime financing. "Experts" say this won't have the same problems as subprime mortgages since cars can be repossessed quickly.

Those "experts" obviously have never seen what a repossessed car looks like, provided the debtor hasn't dumped the car somewhere and reported it stolen

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2012 08:27 PM (Y7XKa)

427 Oh shit, that last comment could have come off as sarcastic! Not. If you have to explain your joke, it's not funny, is what I meant. God! I just keep digging.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 08:28 PM (cQmXn)

428 5 bucks on 'anathema' being the new buzzword for gerg and its ilk.

Posted by: RWC at July 30, 2012 08:29 PM (gwWRQ)

429 I just keep digging.
Posted by: Kalneva at July 31, 2012 12:28 AM (cQmXn)

Now that's funny

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 08:29 PM (X3lox)

430 "That was why the Constitution made sure that Senators were not elected but appointed. Since they started to be elected, our Republic has suffered."
I have never understood this argument. I mean I've heard it promoted again and again but I have never, ever found it more likely that a state legislature would be wiser than voters. Maybe you live in an unusually well-served state or something.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 30, 2012 08:30 PM (r4wIV)

431 I have never understood this argument. I mean I've heard it promoted again and again but I have never, ever found it more likely that a state legislature would be wiser than voters. Maybe you live in an unusually well-served state or something.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 31, 2012 12:30 AM (r4wIV)

It's not a matter of legislatures being wiser than the state's citizenry but that they have different interests to serve.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 08:32 PM (X3lox)

432 428 Oh shit, that last comment could have come off as sarcastic! Not. If you have to explain your joke, it's not funny, is what I meant. God! I just keep digging. Posted by: Kalneva at July 31, 2012 12:28 AM (cQmXn) OK. Take a deep breath and say to yourself, "In order to be a ron I will post whatever I want unapoligetically. I will take both praise and insults with a grain of salt. I will apologize only when yelled at by Ace. Other than that. I will smile and enjoy my time here." At least that's what I do.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 08:33 PM (9TTOe)

433 Time to seriously derail the ONT. I fired a Glock 30 slim frame this weekend (.45 ACP compact semi-auto, holds 10 rounds in a package not much bigger than the man-killer Walther PPK). The experience was interesting. I have a Glock 27, so I am no stranger to a powerful cartridge in a small package, and yet, I still found the recoil a bit startling on the G30. However, I liked the gun well enough that I plunked down my money for it. My wife has indicated that she is interested in something to have nearby in case of self-defense needs, so I am going to pass the G27 to her, and I am going to start keeping the G30 for my own purposes.

Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet troll at July 30, 2012 08:33 PM (pcnpf)

434 Excuse me but xkcd is claimed as the ultra indicator of pro-Obamunism? WTF? About every xkcd reader i know in my circles is someone who considers themselves to be too smart to be a pro-fascism drone who votes for Obama because they believe the marketing crap shoveled out every day.

Nice try, but the real outside-the-box thinkers don't join cults, don't fall for hyperpathetic "hope and change" drivel, and wouldn't be caught dead hanging out with the greatest loser and faux intellectual in the past 200 years.

Posted by: Multitude at July 30, 2012 08:34 PM (bpONz)

435 In order to curtail the embarrassment of Chevy dealers parking their stock at a closed strip mall, they use subprime financing. "Experts" say this won't have the same problems as subprime mortgages since cars can be repossessed quickly.

Those "experts" obviously have never seen what a repossessed car looks like, provided the debtor hasn't dumped the car somewhere and reported it stolen

Posted by: kbdabear at July 31, 2012 12:27 AM

The finance company actually prefers that the car gets reported as stolen or totalled since the insurer pays off the loan. The last thing a finance company wants is the costs of storing a shitload of repo'd cars that were underwater on the loans as soon as the buyer put the plates on it.

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2012 08:34 PM (Y7XKa)

436 The People = we want free shit. The State = hey wait just a tick, we have to pay for this shit. Am I close?

Posted by: no good deed at July 30, 2012 08:34 PM (mjR67)

437 What Christopher Taylor said.

A better constitutional amendment would be one that said that each state got to decide how the Senators were appointed. Some states would interpret this as letting the legislature decide. Other states would put it to the vote. Some states might just assign senators-for-life - Hawaii and West Virginia already do this in practice.

The point is that it's not really our business here in Colorado to order West Virginia how they should represent themselves.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 08:35 PM (QTHTd)

438 I have never understood this argument. I mean I've heard it promoted again and again but I have never, ever found it more likely that a state legislature would be wiser than voters. Maybe you live in an unusually well-served state or something. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 31, 2012 12:30 AM (r4wIV) There were a few odd selections back then - when the wings of a majority party were so pissed at each other a minority senator got sent out. A far worse problem is the noncompetitive nature of the House in the last 50 years or so, and the fact that this made the Presidency the only place where popular vote could have any effect on the government.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 08:35 PM (rzSn3)

439 I have never understood this argument. I mean I've heard it promoted again and again but I have never, ever found it more likely that a state legislature would be wiser than voters. Maybe you live in an unusually well-served state or something. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 31, 2012 12:30 AM (r4wIV) The idea is the Reps represent the people and the Senators represent the States. In the original idea the States are not just places where people live, they have rights, too, as if they were people themselves. The USA is unravelling because it is becoming a Democracy and not a Republic.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 08:36 PM (t2228)

440 no good deed: yeah, that about nails it.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 08:36 PM (QTHTd)

441 Some states might just assign senators-for-life - Hawaii and West Virginia already do this in practice.

So does Iowa.

Posted by: HeatherRadish is having a shitty vacation at July 30, 2012 08:36 PM (6b4v3)

442 "In order to be a ron I will post whatever I want unapoligetically. I will take both praise and insults with a grain of salt. I will apologize only when yelled at by Ace. Other than that. I will smile and enjoy my time here."

I need to have this printed and pasted on my wall. (Including the spelling error for 'unapoligetically')

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 08:39 PM (QTHTd)

443 OK, I just did a quality assurance scan on this thread. There's been a serious defect detected. Not one single insulting mention of Chris Matthews has been made.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 08:40 PM (OfMej)

444

431 "I have never understood this argument. I mean I've heard it promoted again and again but I have never, ever found it more likely that a state legislature would be wiser than voters. Maybe you live in an unusually well-served state or something."

I should probably stick to UFO's and sports or the occassional cyber security nightmare scenario and/or urging our elected leaders to bomb the living shit out of anyone who messes with us (because I am irresolute and need a proxy) but, I wonder then, why an electoral college would be wiser than a popular vote? Is an electoral college wiser than a voter?

Posted by: and irresolute at July 30, 2012 08:40 PM (Q492A)

445 Move the Capital to Alaska.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 08:41 PM (t2228)

446 Some states might just assign senators-for-life - Hawaii and West Virginia already do this in practice.

So does Iowa.
Posted by: HeatherRadish is having a shitty vacation at July 31, 2012 12:36 AM

ahem, don't forget jersey. That fuckfacefuck lautenberg is older than the frigging pyramids, and after he left the senate they dug up his fucking bones and taught them to speak and he's back on the job.

Posted by: Berserker at July 30, 2012 08:41 PM (FMbng)

447 States are not just places where people live, they have rights, too That's just crazy talk man...

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 08:41 PM (OfMej)

448 SCFOAMF (did I get that right?) is doing his dayglo ad during the Olympics. There isn't enough eyebleach to make this shit go away.

Posted by: wankette at July 30, 2012 08:42 PM (qNhTJ)

449 446 Move the Capital to Alaska. Posted by: eman at July 31, 2012 12:41 AM (t222

And the White House so Sarah doesn't have to move.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 08:42 PM (9TTOe)

450

Probably old news, but Injun Warren is speaking at the Dem convention.

Awesome.

So, the question is why.

First thing to observe is that she's a national embarrassment. She can get by in Massachusetts because Howie Carr is the only local media who will call her on anything. The Globe just "forgets" the whole fake Indian bit. But if she becomes a national figure, it will be mentioned by the Republican in-studio guest. Her best chance for winning the seat is not to appear in public.

Second, she also started the "you didn't build it" schtick. So, strangely, Obama is now doubling down on that while trying to run away with it. This guy takes passive-aggressive to an art form.

Third, she is the last person to showcase. There have to be at least a dozen in-trouble Dems who would love to have that top spot and they're wasting it on a Massachusetts Senate candidate?

Fourth, the party of lawyers. You've got Clinton keynoting, Obama of course, Biden on the worst night and Warren. Biden's the only one not associated with either Harvard or Yale, but still a lawyer.

Finally, I think Obama has been yearning to go full socialist. I think he is like Dr. Strangelove trying to hold down his arm.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 30, 2012 08:42 PM (J5tI6)

451 Is an electoral college wiser than a voter?

And now you've got me thinking back to Bush / Gore.

"The only morality in a cruel world is chance. Unbiased. Unprejudiced. Fair."

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 08:43 PM (QTHTd)

452 I should probably stick to UFO's and sports or the occassionalcybersecurity nightmare scenarioand/or urging our elected leaders to bomb the living shit out of anyone who messes with us (because I am irresolute and need a proxy)but, I wonder then, why an electoral college would be wiser than a popular vote? Is an electoral college wiser than a voter? Posted by: and irresolute at July 31, 2012 12:40 AM (Q492A) The electoral college represents the states, not voters. South Carolina chose its electors without any popular vote at all until the Civil War.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 08:44 PM (rzSn3)

453 >>> I have never understood this argument. I mean I've heard it promoted again and again but I have never, ever found it more likely that a state legislature would be wiser than voters Wiser no, serve different priorities yes. Makes it harder to get things passed, when you have to convince the people AND the state legislatures that you have a good idea. It was supposed to be part of the subdivision of interest that would protect from tyranny of the majority by subdivision of power amongst competing factions that all would have to agree. Review federalist no. 10.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 97% Anger Free! at July 30, 2012 08:44 PM (GE1+K)

454 Julie Newmar was the first time I was actually turned on by a woman. A foreshadowing of the onset of pubescence. And well... she still wins.

Posted by: theCork at July 30, 2012 08:44 PM (0hpYU)

455 Chris Matthews is a DCOAMF. Or you could go with the original, replacing spitting, salivating, sputtering, for stuttering. Or slobbering, what have you.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2012 08:45 PM (cQmXn)

456 I hope "The Story of Oh" doesn't become "The Story of Uncle Sam". That would suck.

Posted by: theCork at July 30, 2012 08:46 PM (0hpYU)

457 Probably old news, but Injun Warren is speaking at the Dem convention. Awesome. So, the question is why. Posted by: AmishDude at July 31, 2012 12:42 AM (J5tI6) She is one of the few seeking election to think that this might be a positive move. The smart ones aren't even going to the convention.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 08:46 PM (rzSn3)

458 452 "And now you've got me thinking back to Bush / Gore." Okay, okay, see that is those UFO's doing that to you!!!

Posted by: and irresolute at July 30, 2012 08:46 PM (Q492A)

459

okay I think I am caught up

hello again

Posted by: chemjeff at July 30, 2012 08:46 PM (d/5qf)

460 The electoral college represents the states, not voters. South Carolina chose its electors without any popular vote at all until the Civil War. Posted by: Oldcat at July 31, 2012 12:44 AM (rzSn3) The electoral college prevents nationwide recounts... which could result in nationwide rioting or worse.

Posted by: theCork at July 30, 2012 08:47 PM (0hpYU)

461 Probably old news, but Injun Warren is speaking at the Dem convention. Awesome. So, the question is why. Posted by: AmishDude at July 31, 2012 12:42 AM (J5tI6) She's trying to horn in on our racket, Sarge!

Posted by: Agarn at July 30, 2012 08:48 PM (t2228)

462 I have never understood this argument. I mean I've heard it promoted again and again but I have never, ever found it more likely that a state legislature would be wiser than voters. Maybe you live in an unusually well-served state or something.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 31, 2012 12:30 AM (r4wIV)

The Senators are one step removed from the voters, so that slowed down legislation. Whenever there is some "national tragedy", Senators are the first to act these days. Back then, they were pretty much the honey badgers of the Federal government, thus the brakes were put on legislation that is pretty crappy.

Posted by: MrCaniac at July 30, 2012 08:48 PM (1grxW)

463 Heh, I was searching on Claude Pepper, the Democrat FL senator/rep who had to die in office before we could be rid of him. In the Wiki entry on Pepper, was this little tidbit about a Time magazine story in 1950 about George Smathers where they flat out made up shit about what he said in a speech. "...Part of American political lore is the Smathers "redneck speech," which Smathers reportedly delivered to a poorly educated audience. The "speech" was never given; it was a hoax dreamed up by one reporter. Time Magazine, during the campaign, falsely claimed that Smathers said this: Are you aware that Claude Pepper is known all over Washington as a shameless extrovert? Not only that, but this man is reliably reported to practice nepotism with his sister-in-law, he has a brother who is a known homo sapiens,^[9] and he has a sister who was once a thespian in wicked New York. Worst of all, it is an established fact that Mr. Pepper, before his marriage, habitually practiced celibacy.^[10]

The Smathers campaign denied his having made the speech, as did the reporters who covered his campaign, but the hoax followed Smathers to his death"

TIME Magazine - making up shit for over 60 years!

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 08:48 PM (OfMej)

464

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 31, 2012 12:35 AM (QTHTd)

I propose that each State retain two Senators, but ONE is the direct representative of the Governor, and the other the State Senate...

And they can be recalled at ANY time... it would stop the Federal Government taking States Powers away, and forcing States to do things... cold.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 30, 2012 08:48 PM (lZBBB)

465

CQ, CQ, this is w9gfo. Anybody out there ....

god bless all here. see you next time.

Posted by: and irresolute at July 30, 2012 08:49 PM (Q492A)

466 Posted by: AmishDude at July 31, 2012 12:42 AM (J5tI6)

None of that matters. The leftists are in full chaos mode. Nothing will hold them back. They are past the schizophrenic event horizon and looking to drag the whole universe into their demented and impossible world. They are now reveling in their blatant stupidity.

I wouldn't be surprised if Warren didn't try to say a few words in Cherokee, even (and got them wrong, as she inevitably would).

We are all witness to something that very rarely happens. A mass insanity in full bloom and, sadly and pathetically, holding actual power and exercising it without any restraint, much as how they lie so transparently and proudly to the public. Not many in history have been able to see such sickness live and in person. Those who have generally haven't lived long to tell about it.

The Constitutional Union of American States.

The disease is that bad.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 08:49 PM (X3lox)

467 The electoral college prevents nationwide recounts... which could result in nationwide rioting or worse. Posted by: theCork at July 31, 2012 12:47 AM (0hpYU) That is its current function - he was talking about its original function, before they were so tied to voting for the winner of each state's pop vote. It also amplifies the results - 52-48 becomes 350-100 or so.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 08:51 PM (rzSn3)

468 So, do you think Cruz will win tomorrow?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 30, 2012 08:52 PM (9TTOe)

469 Utopias and hellholes (often the same) always go down the hard way. The true believers make sure of that.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 08:52 PM (OfMej)

470 >It's not a matter of legislatures being wiser than the state's citizenry but that they have different interests to serve.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 31, 2012 12:32 AM (X3lox)

According to the founders, the House was to represent the people's interests, and the Senate was to represent the states' interests

but yeah, with direct election of Senators was where we started to go off into the weeds.

Then politicians figured out how to bribe us with our own money

it's all bread and circuses now

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 08:52 PM (8sCoq)

471

She is one of the few seeking election to think that this might be a positive move. The smart ones aren't even going to the convention.

Which is the chicken and which is the egg?

I think they knew more than even we know now about the nature of the convention and I think Obama is going to try to go hard hard left.

While he's fairly disciplined and can keep up the lie, other Dems will be letting the Alinsky out of the bag.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 30, 2012 08:53 PM (J5tI6)

472

well, time for bed

good night all

Posted by: chemjeff at July 30, 2012 08:53 PM (d/5qf)

473 Hah. I just rediscovered The Fall. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJSCLVtnouo

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 08:53 PM (QTHTd)

474 It also amplifies the results - 52-48 becomes 350-100 or so. Posted by: Oldcat at July 31, 2012 12:51 AM (rzSn3) A "landslide" helps silence a lot of contention for a cycle. But the nation has been so closely divided, I'm not sure we'll see another for some time.

Posted by: theCork at July 30, 2012 08:54 PM (0hpYU)

475

oh FFS there isn't going to be any secession.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 30, 2012 08:54 PM (d/5qf)

476 "but, I wonder then, why an electoral college would be wiser than a popular vote? Is an electoral college wiser than a voter?"
The electoral college's primary purpose is to reduce the population discrepency between states. I don't know if that was always its purpose, but that's what it does now, and it would be hideous if it was removed. Presidential candidates would ignore everything but the 10 largest cities.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 30, 2012 08:55 PM (r4wIV)

477 Still, "Time Enough At Last" is their best, or at least the best I've heard yet.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 08:55 PM (QTHTd)

478 I think they knew more than even we know now about the nature of the convention and I think Obama is going to try to go hard hard left. While he's fairly disciplined and can keep up the lie, other Dems will be letting the Alinsky out of the bag. Posted by: AmishDude at July 31, 2012 12:53 AM (J5tI6) If Obama was disciplined, he wouldn't be making left wing howlers every other day.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 08:55 PM (rzSn3)

479 469 So, do you think Cruz will win tomorrow? Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 31, 2012 12:52 AM (9TTOe) Yup. Revolution's the way to bet this time around.

Posted by: theCork at July 30, 2012 08:55 PM (0hpYU)

480 A "landslide" helps silence a lot of contention for a cycle. But the nation has been so closely divided, I'm not sure we'll see another for some time. Posted by: theCork at July 31, 2012 12:54 AM (0hpYU) You mean like 2008?

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 08:56 PM (rzSn3)

481 "It's not a matter of legislatures being wiser than the state's citizenry but that they have different interests to serve."
And the state legislature's interest is in serving the majority party. So in what way, again I ask, is this better?
The argument that people voting in REPRESENTATIVES to the Senate somehow changes us from a republic to a democracy strikes me as unpersuasive, even nonsensical.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 30, 2012 08:57 PM (r4wIV)

482 Romeo13, I agree, but that will require a constutional amendment. How about an interim step, the house refuses to appropriate funds for Senate personal and most professional staff. Those jobs would be paid for by the states.

Posted by: Jean at July 30, 2012 08:57 PM (yzx+C)

483 oh FFS there isn't going to be any secession.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 31, 2012 12:54 AM (d/5qf)

Then there will be dissolution ... or worse - far worse. We have gone far past a critical mass of leftists and that means that something is going to blow.

You'll see.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 08:57 PM (X3lox)

484 I'm not sure we'll see another for some time. If Obama were to win a 2nd term, and presuming the nations survived it, the next election would be a blowout. After 8 years, the democrats would own a full blown depression that's no longer hideable with fake figures and bullshit.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 08:58 PM (OfMej)

485 Posted by: Oldcat at July 31, 2012 12:56 AM (rzSn3) That wasn't a Reagan-line landslide. The map was mostly red in 2008.

Posted by: theCork at July 30, 2012 08:58 PM (0hpYU)

486

So Tom Vilsack (ag secretary)'s wife is running for Congress in my district. They left me a form (illegally, BTW) in my mailbox that I could mail in about what concerned me most.

I checked "Other" and wrote in "Nepotism".

Then I wrote on the free comment space that there were too many lawyers in government.

I also said that I wanted to make phone calls. I'm hoping they give me phone numbers and a script. We'll see if "nepotism" is too big a word for the drones at Vilsack HQ.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 30, 2012 08:58 PM (J5tI6)

487 >"but, I wonder then, why an electoral college would be wiser than a popular vote? Is an electoral college wiser than a voter?"

the founders wanted the president to win a national consensus, not just by sheer numbers. Without the electoral college, you'd be left with the popular vote- and the east coast and west coast would elect the president every 4 years

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 08:59 PM (8sCoq)

488 Speaking of "You didn't build that", is there ANYTHING Obama has built? I mean, any concrete, functional artifact of any kind? Carter could at least grow peanuts and build a house and maybe keep a nuclear reactor running, but what has Obama ever created with his two hands that wasn't just putting words on paper? Can anybody think of something?

Posted by: Socratease at July 30, 2012 08:59 PM (zVk7Z)

489 When the Collapse happens I will offer safe haven to beautiful Japanese women.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 08:59 PM (t2228)

490

The electoral college's primary purpose is to reduce the population discrepency between states. I don't know if that was always its purpose, but that's what it does now, and it would be hideous if it was removed. Presidential candidates would ignore everything but the 10 largest cities.

You kidding? They wouldn't even travel. They'd just do TV ads.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 30, 2012 08:59 PM (J5tI6)

491 The Smathers campaign denied his having made the speech, as did the reporters who covered his campaign, but the hoax followed Smathers to his death"

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 12:48 AM

and George Smathers as The Beaver ..

Posted by: Tony Dow at July 30, 2012 09:00 PM (Y7XKa)

492 I dont like th e unified pres/vp tickets. The vp should be the runner up.

Posted by: Jean at July 30, 2012 09:01 PM (yzx+C)

493 We'll see if "nepotism" is too big a word for the drones at Vilsack HQ.

Breitbart lives!

Posted by: HeatherRadish is having a shitty vacation at July 30, 2012 09:01 PM (6b4v3)

494 490 When the Collapse happens I will offer safe haven to beautiful Japanese women. Posted by: eman at July 31, 2012 12:59 AM (t222

In that environment you can be selective. Hold out of sexually adventurous Japanese twins.

Posted by: theCork at July 30, 2012 09:01 PM (0hpYU)

495 If Oh Kil-nam wanted to make it up to his dead wife and child, he'd go back to that German university, get a professorship, and start teaching the next three generations the truth about Marxism.

Posted by: Socratease at July 30, 2012 09:01 PM (zVk7Z)

496 And the state legislature's interest is in serving the majority party. So in what way, again I ask, is this better? The argument that people voting in REPRESENTATIVES to the Senate somehow changes us from a republic to a democracy strikes me as unpersuasive, even nonsensical. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 31, 2012 12:57 AM (r4wIV) At every level, the partitioning of the land into safe seats for one side or the other is what makes the government unresponsive to the people. It's possible that with additional stakes the state parties might be more healthy and less atrophied than today. But as long as you have a lifetime job this seems unlikely. Fear of being sacked is the only real motivator that has legs. Make an incumbent have to win by an extra percent or two per term for laughs.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 09:01 PM (rzSn3)

497 And the state legislature's interest is in serving the majority party. So in what way, again I ask, is this better?

The argument that people voting in REPRESENTATIVES to the Senate somehow changes us from a republic to a democracy strikes me as unpersuasive, even nonsensical.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 31, 2012 12:57 AM (r4wIV)

Are you making an argument for a unicameral federal legislature, because that's what you're heading to.

States, as entities, have different interests from the population even though the state bodies are voted in by the population to some extent (there is much more to a government than the elected positions). There are differences in time and the nature of a legislature is just different from the nature of a population.

Tell me, why do you think there should be a Senate, at all? It seems to me that you must find that baffling, to begin with.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 09:02 PM (X3lox)

498 The French have a unicameral legislature... Unicameral legislatures are basically mob rule.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 09:04 PM (OfMej)

499 496 If Oh Kil-nam wanted to make it up to his dead wife and child, he'd go back to that German university, get a professorship, and start teaching the next three generations the truth about Marxism. Posted by: Socratease at July 31, 2012 01:01 AM (zVk7Z) FTW

Posted by: theCork at July 30, 2012 09:05 PM (0hpYU)

500 Tell me, why do you think there should be a Senate, at all? It seems to me that you must find that baffling, to begin with. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 31, 2012 01:02 AM (X3lox) I don't see much of a distinction now, and I don't see the Senate as representing the states as entities now.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 09:06 PM (rzSn3)

501 The French have a unicameral legislature...

Unicameral legislatures are basically mob rule.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 01:04 AM (OfMej)

Yep. And for the French, a dirty, smelly mob.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 09:06 PM (X3lox)

502 I don't see much of a distinction now, and I don't see the Senate as representing the states as entities now. Posted by: Oldcat at July 31, 2012 01:06 AM (rzSn3) Since they're no longer selected by the state governments themselves, I can't completely disagree.

Posted by: theCork at July 30, 2012 09:07 PM (0hpYU)

503 The French have a unicameral legislature... Unicameral legislatures are basically mob rule. Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 01:04 AM (OfMej) So do the English, essentially.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 09:07 PM (rzSn3)

504 The only useful thing about the US Senate is the staggered terms and 6 year terms. That assures (somewhat) that change happens slower in the Senate allowing it to reign in an insane house. Now that the Senate is fully packed with moonbat Dems, save for the smallest handful, that advantage has been muted considerably.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 09:07 PM (OfMej)

505 >>>And the state legislature's interest is in serving the majority party. So in what way, again I ask, is this better? Ok I'll say it again. Different group different priorities. I can keep repeating that central premise as long as you keep repeating the same question. With the same recommendation that you review federalist 10 on the concept of subdividing plausible opressive majorities.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 97% Anger Free! at July 30, 2012 09:08 PM (GE1+K)

506 FINALLY THEY UPLOADED THIS

Xymox, "twisted" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOORHsKmmRA

[squee]

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 09:09 PM (QTHTd)

507 "That was why the Constitution made sure that Senators were not elected but appointed. Since they started to be elected, our Republic has suffered."

I have never understood this argument. I mean I've heard it promoted again and again but I have never, ever found it more likely that a state legislature would be wiser than voters. Maybe you live in an unusually well-served state or something.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 31, 2012 12:30 AM (r4wIV)

Direct election of senators severed an important check that balanced power between the Federal and State governments. It's easier for an elected representative to jerk around a few million people than a couple of hundred assholes vying for his job.

Posted by: Robert at July 30, 2012 09:11 PM (4ixH5)

508 And good evening.

Posted by: Robert at July 30, 2012 09:11 PM (4ixH5)

509 killing a mech by jump jetting into into it's grill is fun

Posted by: The Dude at July 30, 2012 09:12 PM (tw6Ar)

510 Now that just ain't right: 8 Kazakhstan 2 - - 2 9 Japan 1 4 6 11

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 09:12 PM (OIuTH)

511 It looks like Babu Bhatt is still mad at Jerry Seinfeld ..

Pakistani Owner of Swanky Santa Monica Hotel: Â“Get the [expletive] Jews out of my PoolÂ”

http://tinyurl.com/bpr7x83

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2012 09:12 PM (Y7XKa)

512 The argument that people voting in REPRESENTATIVES to the Senate somehow changes us from a republic to a democracy strikes me as unpersuasive, even nonsensical. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 31, 2012 12:57 AM (r4wIV) The States created the Federal government and thought they could control it via the Constitution. So far, not so much. All power is being shifted to a central authority in Washington D.C. That is what the Constitution was supposed to prevent. The States are becoming things like the old Soviet Republics. Sovereign in name only.

Posted by: eman at July 30, 2012 09:13 PM (t2228)

513 Late night snack...blueberry muffins. Fuck yea.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 09:13 PM (OfMej)

514 And the French have a bicameral parliament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_France

Posted by: Robert at July 30, 2012 09:14 PM (4ixH5)

515 Direct election of senators severed an important check that balanced power between the Federal and State governments. It's easier for an elected representative to jerk around a few million people than a couple of hundred assholes vying for his job. Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 01:11 AM (4ixH5) Its just as easy to pay off the 100 as sell yourself to the millions. Senators didn't used to have as huge a faucet of government money to direct.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 09:14 PM (rzSn3)

516 >FINALLY THEY UPLOADED THIS

Xymox, "twisted" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOORHsKmmRA

[squee]

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 31, 2012 01:09 AM (QTHTd)

trippy- how come nobody told me about this music before?

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 09:14 PM (8sCoq)

517 I don't see much of a distinction now, and I don't see the Senate as representing the states as entities now.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 31, 2012 01:06 AM (rzSn3)

The only difference now is the time and timing of Senate elections (1/3 each cycle for 6 year terms) versus the House being all up for election every two years.

As the Senate is happy to grab shell bills, gut them, fill them with whatever they want and essentially initiate revenue bills, that power of the House has been usurped, so that exceedingly important distinction is long gone.

All limited governments eventually die this death. Partly because truly limited governments don't attract the best and brightest (even of those who would want to serve in government) but attract the stupid, the nasty, the evil and the weak ... until it's all about to collapse and only then some truly competent people might try to come in and fix things. No one with any talent wants to pursue a job that is, by definition, limited. You get a few conservatives who believe that they should sacrifice their own careers to be caretakers in such a government, but that is never enough to keep those who do pursue the allegedly limited positions (with dreams of unlimiting them and opening the great treasure trove) from fucking everything up. We've gone on longer than any would have imagined for a limited government setup but the errors have built up in the system to the extent that a new one is needed. Benedict Roberts put exactly that sentiment down on paper ... not intentionally, of course. There is no repair of this damage.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 09:15 PM (X3lox)

518 The States are becoming things like the old Soviet Republics. Sovereign in name only. Posted by: eman at July 31, 2012 01:13 AM (t222

They gave up sovereignty at the very start, except in empty words at national conventions.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 09:15 PM (rzSn3)

519 Nobody spends millions campaigning for a job that pays a couple hundred thou unless they got some serious graft/corruption shenanigans planned.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 09:16 PM (OfMej)

520 It's easier for an elected representative to jerk around a few million people than a couple of hundred assholes vying for his job. Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 01:11 AM (4ixH5) Well, it's not even that exactly - the senators were had to answer to the legislature eventually - so you got more "statesman-like" behavior. You could be responsible for your party losing seats at home.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 09:16 PM (OIuTH)

521 Nobody spends millions campaigning for a job that pays a couple hundred thou unless they got some serious graft/corruptionshenanigans planned. Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 01:16 AM (OfMej) It usually isn't their millions.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 09:16 PM (rzSn3)

522 >>>somehow changes us from a republic to a democracy strikes me as unpersuasive, even nonsensical. No, that's true, what it does is change us from a federal Republic, into a centrally governed Republic.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 97% Anger Free! at July 30, 2012 09:17 PM (GE1+K)

523 plus all politicians are whores

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 09:17 PM (8sCoq)

524 Well, it's not even that exactly - the senators were had to answer to the legislature eventually - so you got more "statesman-like" behavior. You could be responsible for your party losing seats at home. Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 31, 2012 01:16 AM (OIuTH) Once you set things up like they have here in CA, that isn't likely to happen even in the State House and Senate.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 09:17 PM (rzSn3)

525 Hi Robert - heh.

So I first heard Xymox from my roommate in college my freshman year. I couldn't stand most of his music; and he didn't like Joy Division, for his part. (We did, at least, agree on My Bloody Valentine.)

"Twisted" was the exception from his Xymox catalogue. However: this was in the days before MP3 or iTunes. And it was a b-side. So I never got to hear that again until - well, ten minutes ago.

I @#$% love that song.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 09:18 PM (QTHTd)

526 It usually isn't their millions. It is if they lose or leave office. It doesn't get a lot of media play, but there's been a lot of internal bitching, particularly among Democrats, about people leaving office and making off with some pretty hefty war chests rather than plowing it back into the party coffers so everyone can use it.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 09:20 PM (OfMej)

527 Hey Robert

Posted by: zeera at July 30, 2012 09:20 PM (XtxRN)

528 >I @#$% love that song.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 31, 2012 01:18 AM (QTHTd)

yeah that was pretty good- I'm gonna check em out on amazon

what's a good album to start with?

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 30, 2012 09:22 PM (8sCoq)

529 Forward! http://tinyurl.com/caq2wvx Yep, that'd be Pasha Antipov, 'no amorous experience' except for that summer in Pak. "Wit ma buds. Shout out to L'il Syed. Bro', you got kids now, too, right?" This may be wut it takes from now on: http://tinyurl.com/cv5hfxy "BurÃ³crata." Order your ammo on teh internets before the Frontier Gibberish Authorities (based near Smith College in Puritanistan) clamp down.

Posted by: Thorvald at July 30, 2012 09:22 PM (Wn62B)

530 Its just as easy to pay off the 100 as sell yourself to the millions. Senators didn't used to have as huge a faucet of government money to direct.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 31, 2012 01:14 AM (rzSn3)

Oh I'm not saying it doesn't have its problems. I'm saying you need to look at the appointment of the Senate in term of seperation of powers/checks and balances to understand arguments in favor of it.

Posted by: Robert at July 30, 2012 09:22 PM (4ixH5)

531 That's the fun part - I don't even like Xymox, so I couldn't even tell you... lol

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 09:23 PM (QTHTd)

532 Howdy, Zeera!

Howdy, Hobo!

Posted by: Robert at July 30, 2012 09:24 PM (4ixH5)

533 Nobody spends millions campaigning for a job that pays a couple hundred thou unless they got some serious graft/corruptionshenanigans planned.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 01:16 AM (OfMej)

Fuck me, I'd love to be making a couple of hundred thousand.

I'm gonna run for office on the campaign slogan that I can live like a king without the graft.

Whattya think? Catchy?

Posted by: Robert at July 30, 2012 09:25 PM (4ixH5)

534 It is going to be very interesting watching the economic theories when they come home to roost. Unfortunately, I will be experiencing the benefits of the whole clusterfuck.

Posted by: fluffy at July 30, 2012 09:26 PM (z9HTb)

535 Once you set things up like they have here in CA, that isn't likely to happen even in the State House and Senate. Posted by: Oldcat at July 31, 2012 01:17 AM (rzSn3) Yeah, well, once a minority submits to a corrupt majority, yer fucked for a good while.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 09:26 PM (OIuTH)

536 Vote for me - I'll vote to protect the Constitution and live on the cheap cause a couple of hundred thousand a year is all I need to live like the pagan kings of old.

Mmmmmm, maybe it does need some work.

Posted by: Robert at July 30, 2012 09:27 PM (4ixH5)

537 Whattya think? Catchy? Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 01:25 AM (4ixH5) Vote with Pride for My Double-Wide!

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 09:27 PM (OIuTH)

538 Robert - The Pagan God of Congress

Gettin' there!

Posted by: Robert at July 30, 2012 09:27 PM (4ixH5)

539 538 Whattya think? Catchy? Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 01:25 AM (4ixH5) Sleep well at Nite, Vote Val-U-Rite!

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 09:28 PM (OIuTH)

540 I got it.

Robert - The Pagan God of America!

*Cue waving flags and swelling, patriotic music*

Posted by: Robert at July 30, 2012 09:29 PM (4ixH5)

541 Sleep well at Nite,
Vote Val-U-Rite!

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 31, 2012 01:28 AM (OIuTH)

Congratulations, you're my Karl Rove.

Posted by: Robert shal have to be satisfied remaining the Pagan God of the ONT at July 30, 2012 09:30 PM (4ixH5)

542 Vote Robert: GFK - Ghengis F. Kahn

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 09:30 PM (OIuTH)

543 Congratulations, you're my Karl Rove. Posted by: Robert shal have to be satisfied remaining the Pagan God of the ONT at July 31, 2012 01:30 AM (4ixH5) I'll get Slim Jims and Goody's Headache Powder to fix a PAC...

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 30, 2012 09:31 PM (OIuTH)

544 Chinese rocket tech is eclipsing ours. They got a bitching LOX/kero engine for their next gen lift vehicles.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 09:32 PM (OfMej)

545

You should do fundraisers promising to keep money out of politics.

Posted by: Truman North at July 30, 2012 09:32 PM (I2LwF)

546 Ghengis F. Kahn

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 31, 2012 01:30 AM (OIuTH)

Tomorrow we vote to invade Canada. Our hordes shall sweep through their lands. Their women shall all be with my children.

Posted by: Robert at July 30, 2012 09:33 PM (4ixH5)

547 Vote for me. Yea, I'll fuck you, but not as hard as that other thief, and I'll do it cheaper. People relate to pragmatism, right?

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 30, 2012 09:34 PM (OfMej)

548 It is if they lose or leave office. It doesn't get a lot of media play, but there's been a lot of internal bitching, particularly among Democrats, about people leaving office and making off with some pretty hefty war chests rather than plowing it back into the party coffers so everyone can use it. Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 01:20 AM (OfMej) I thought they changed the rules a decade or so back so that this couldn't be done anymore. I'm not sure what happens to the funds - probably there's a dodge to turn it into a study commission. Small price to pay to get the fuckers out.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 09:35 PM (rzSn3)

549

>>Chinese rocket tech is eclipsing ours. They got a bitching LOX/kero engine for their next gen lift vehicles.

---

Don't worry, all their space program people are gonna get eaten by starving peasants soon...gravity is a bitch.

Posted by: CanaDave at July 30, 2012 09:35 PM (zsu+c)

550 People relate to pragmatism, right?

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 01:34 AM (OfMej)

Tell 'em you're gonna "sex 'em in the butt" with images of a bearskin rug and a warm fireplace. Romance!

Posted by: Robert at July 30, 2012 09:36 PM (4ixH5)

551 >>> Yea, I'll fuck you Promise lube and a reach around, and you can be the "tell it like it is guy"

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 97% Anger Free! at July 30, 2012 09:36 PM (GE1+K)

552 If I'm elected President, my first act will be to show up on the floor of Congress and to tell them what a bunch of decrepit old crooks that all are.

My second act will be to retire to some Italian island and do nothing, except to veto all of Congress's shit.

Basically Emperor Tiberius, without the pederasty.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 09:37 PM (QTHTd)

553 My second act will be to retire to some Italian island and do nothing, except to veto all of Congress's shit. Basically Emperor Tiberius, without the pederasty. Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 31, 2012 01:37 AM (QTHTd) You will never get a campaign office in the first Ward of Chicago with that kind of thinking.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 30, 2012 09:41 PM (rzSn3)

554 People relate to pragmatism, right?

Some of us do. Some of us want Uncle Joey to tell us a story about choo-choos.

Posted by: fluffy at July 30, 2012 09:41 PM (z9HTb)

555 gay, no midnight release of Political Machine

in other news, 2 shirts for cooth
http://tinyurl.com/3d2c95m
http://tinyurl.com/2rsrx6 (ends in just over an hour)

Posted by: The Dude at July 30, 2012 09:43 PM (tw6Ar)

556 Some 40 year old doom for ya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1xmXOP3lhM

Posted by: fluffy at July 30, 2012 09:44 PM (z9HTb)

557 Something that "GPS is the only fair way to tax" blurb neglected to mention is that mileage isn't the most important factor in what damages roads, it's axle weight. The wear inflicted is somewhere between the 3rd and 4th power of the axle weight of the vehicle, iirc. It would be far easier/fairer, and not easily defeated, to just tax logarithmically by axle weight times the expected or average mileage of the vehicle class.

Posted by: Sjg at July 30, 2012 09:46 PM (qxvxB)

558 Does anyone else remember Wm. F. Buckley, Jr., vs. Wm. Shockley? I wish I'd saved the voluminous correspondence I had w/Dr. Shockley. My heirs might've bought a Ferrari or something by selling them. Not for their Shockley value. He just helped invent the transistor.

Posted by: Thorvald at July 30, 2012 09:53 PM (Wn62B)

559 Cthulhu 2012 -- why vote for the lesser evil?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2012 09:53 PM (kaalw)

560

"GPS is the only fair way to tax"

Honestly, I have to giggle at Prius owners.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 30, 2012 09:54 PM (J5tI6)

561 Cthulhu 2012 -- doesn't stutter, does what he means to, is much happier than his victims, and succeeds!

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2012 09:56 PM (kaalw)

562 in other news, 2 shirts for cooth
http://tinyurl.com/3d2c95m
http://tinyurl.com/2rsrx6 (ends in just over an hour)

Posted by: The Dude at July 31, 2012 01:43 AM (tw6Ar)

Nice shirts, but not really Cthulhu-ey enough. I have two of these, for instance: http://shirt.woot.com/offers/oh-hai-there-i-can-haz-ur-planet

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2012 09:59 PM (kaalw)

563 The GPS tax is about taxing cars. Raising gas taxes would hit the heavier vehicles who impact the road the most(As it should be). The GPS's are about giving 24/7 tracking on all civilian cars.

Posted by: Jack at July 30, 2012 09:59 PM (A+59T)

564 'Buy me once, I'll stay bought!' Robert for Prezzy

Posted by: zeera at July 30, 2012 10:01 PM (XtxRN)

565 "I hate you."
-Zimriel for President, 2012

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 10:02 PM (QTHTd)

566 Writ large I love everyone here.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:03 PM (XrMeG)

567 Cthulhu, Harvard Law class of 666.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 30, 2012 10:03 PM (J5tI6)

568 I do hear that Miskatonic Law grads tend to ace the bar exams in any state they apply . . .

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 10:05 PM (QTHTd)

569 Burned my hand taking out a casserole from the oven. I'm gonna stick to grilling. Upside is I have full clearance from wife to smoke my secret stash of cigs for the pain. For a while there the pain was off the charts. Now drinking and smoking in the backyard patio with iTunes and my imaginary friends.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:07 PM (ddb4x)

570 568 Cthulhu, Harvard Law class of 666.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 31, 2012 02:03 AM (J5tI6)

I don't think "inalienable rights" means exactly what you think it does.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2012 10:07 PM (kaalw)

571

Eman, or anyone else in publishing --- would you mind answering a question about e-book pricing?

Oh, and Eartha - crazy maybe, but sexy, sexy voice!

Posted by: Calyx the HopinToBAnswered at July 30, 2012 10:08 PM (mICe+)

572 569 I do hear that Miskatonic Law grads tend to ace the bar exams in any state they apply . . .

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 31, 2012 02:05 AM (QTHTd)

The graders just pass 'em all now instead of reading the answers. Used to be, every year, a couple of graders would end up writhing on the floor screaming gibberish...

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2012 10:09 PM (kaalw)

573 hope the Re-Animator blu-ray doesn't suck. Also be nice if it does well enough to get a From Beyond blu-ray

Posted by: The Dude at July 30, 2012 10:11 PM (tw6Ar)

574 Blasted last macanudo didn't have any draw. Had to light a new one.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:11 PM (ddb4x)

575 Teh rum is flowing good tonite.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:15 PM (ddb4x)

576 I'm running the show here heh.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:17 PM (ddb4x)

577 Maybe I'll writ a screenplay of the late night Aoshq thread. But I need to find a heavy. Conflict sells.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:20 PM (ddb4x)

578 the heavy could be the piece of shit software that runs this show. Raging against the machine is very Tsukamoto like

Posted by: The Dude at July 30, 2012 10:22 PM (tw6Ar)

579 But I need to find a heavy. Conflict sells.

Well... there's always ergie

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 10:23 PM (QTHTd)

580 311 Q: What is taking the Jeopardy contestant audition in Philadelphia, Alex? I took the online test back in the spring and never heard back. Until this morning's email. Apparently I passed. Details to follow when they receive my RSVP. \ Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 30, 2012 11:40 PM (a5ljo) *********** Congrats! Keep us posted!

Posted by: Boomer Redneque at July 30, 2012 10:24 PM (eQnzo)

581 Slooooowly, slooooooooooowwwllyyyy.....the troll lurks, considering each comment as a potential springboard for yet another poisonous rant....

Yer welcome, Journolist.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2012 10:24 PM (kaalw)

582 Slooooowly, slooooooooooowwwllyyyy.....the troll lurks, considering each comment as a potential springboard for yet another poisonous rant....

Keep this up for 600 pages and add some S and M - you might have a book deal!

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 10:27 PM (QTHTd)

583 Herb Alpert Now on iPod. I often threaten my unbemused children that I will play my ipod on full shuffle at one of their parties.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:30 PM (Ca+zh)

584 Blutangel, "over the horizon" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KquTFWUyboA

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 10:33 PM (QTHTd)

585 Was once at a party in West L.A. And walked up to the DJ and told him to stop playing the provocative crap such as "Girl I want to sex you up". Kids were mortified and Diane Keaton and Cuba Gooding were all dancing behind us. DJ had never dealt with a conservative on Sunset Blvd. Before apparently. Heh.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:35 PM (+Aarq)

586 I've done made it official. I've bailed from Firefox. I hardly use it at home anymore but now I'm ditching it at work, too. SRWare's Iron for me.

Posted by: Robert at July 30, 2012 10:35 PM (4ixH5)

587 my cigs do nothing for pain relief

Posted by: zeera at July 30, 2012 10:37 PM (XtxRN)

588 Cigs are a prop for heavy booze and the good tobacco inhaled is a legal trip.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:39 PM (+Aarq)

589 Don't care if it's china town or on riverside I am in a New York state of mind. Classic lyrics.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:42 PM (+Aarq)

590 How about 'no'?

How about 'never'?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at July 30, 2012 10:44 PM (5FvTK)

591 Carly Simon - a fave. Too bad she's a lib.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:47 PM (RFl8c)

592 hot damn, getting some rain

Posted by: The Dude at July 30, 2012 10:48 PM (tw6Ar)

593 GM inks deal to put logo on Manchester United soccer jerseys. $600 million, 7 year deal. GM's chief marketing officer fired (as a result?). Nice to know they're so flush with cash

Posted by: zeera at July 30, 2012 10:48 PM (XtxRN)

594 Weft - nice.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:49 PM (RFl8c)

595 Zeera - Aon Corp. Paid 80mil in 08.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:50 PM (RFl8c)

596 Government Motors prone to graft? Who'da thought?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2012 10:52 PM (kaalw)

597

Posted by: zeera at July 31, 2012 02:48 AM (XtxRN)

meh, they need to advertise to make back the money and nothing is more cherry than being on Man U's jerseys. Is it a lot of money? Yes but the stats show that it's a great investment that easily recoups the money

Posted by: The Dude at July 30, 2012 10:52 PM (tw6Ar)

598 Bondholders who took a 60 percent GM haircut for the "union" fok must be ecstatic over GM's new found spending money.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:53 PM (RFl8c)

599 Are there a lot of Man U fans in the US, enough to actually have an impact on sales? Or does GM have a large overseas presence? I really don't know, but it seems like a lot of $$

Posted by: zeera at July 30, 2012 10:56 PM (XtxRN)

600 599 Bondholders who took a 60 percent GM haircut for the "union" fok must be ecstatic over GM's new found spending money.

Posted by: Journolist at July 31, 2012 02:53 AM (RFl8c)

Not to mention stockholders whose position was completely wiped out.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2012 10:57 PM (kaalw)

601 I don't want to upset anyone here but Obama unfortunately is gonna win and or cause a rev in this country. I suggest people find religion and fast as this experiment called liberty is going to be tested Beyond belief.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 10:57 PM (eYiNi)

602 Bondholders who took a 60 percent GM haircut for the "union" fok must be ecstatic over GM's new found spending money.
Posted by: Journolist at July 31, 2012 02:53 AM (RFl8c)

No problem. GM is sending them all free jerseys (shipping and handling extra: $182.84).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 10:59 PM (X3lox)

603 Chtlu- exactly. But the deal with bondholders - their position was not supposed to be subordinated.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 11:00 PM (eYiNi)

604 Are there a lot of Man U fans in the US, enough to actually have an impact on sales? Or does GM have a large overseas presence? I really don't know, but it seems like a lot of $$

Posted by: zeera at July 31, 2012 02:56 AM (XtxRN)

decent sized overseas business but with it being Man U, it's global (biggest sports team in the world). Also need to factor in that every jersey that is made for consumers will also be branded with GM's logo (which typically gives the sponsor a cut) and that kind of visibility is insane

Posted by: The Dude at July 30, 2012 11:00 PM (tw6Ar)

605 Chtlu- exactly. But the deal with bondholders - their position was not supposed to be subordinated.
Posted by: Journolist at July 31, 2012 03:00 AM (eYiNi)

It wasn't. It was taxed.

Posted by: Benedick Roberts at July 30, 2012 11:01 PM (X3lox)

606 348 - I volunteer! I am an infrequent commentor, but I have qualifications. Seriously, I am laid up and would love something useful to do.

Posted by: Calyx the HopinToBAnswered at July 30, 2012 11:04 PM (mICe+)

607 GM should be shoring up it's pension base first and while their may be some ostensible prudence in advertising they should refrain from such.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 11:04 PM (eYiNi)

608 604 Chtlu- exactly. But the deal with bondholders - their position was not supposed to be subordinated.

Posted by: Journolist at July 31, 2012 03:00 AM (eYiNi)

Waivers and favoritism -- it never ends with this bunch. Unfortunately, they can "succeed" only when everyone else believes in the rule of law and they don't.....when nobody believes it, it's Mad Max time.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2012 11:12 PM (kaalw)

609 608 GM should be shoring up it's pension base first and while their may be some ostensible prudence in advertising they should refrain from such.

Posted by: Journolist at July 31, 2012 03:04 AM (eYiNi)

GM, and every other defined benefit plan, should convert to defined contribution -- probably at a haircut -- in hopes of staving off the looters.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2012 11:13 PM (kaalw)

610 I will leave with this and as most know Iam very spiritual. In the near term as we shift to a new system we will be searching for answers outside of our realm. The point is is to seek them now as this experiment in God given liberty is being supplanted by man's feigned providence under wicked disillusions wrapped in seeming logic. Don't ever be afraid to pray my friends because that is our providential calling. Be ahead of the curve because....that is our calling - no joke my friends.

Posted by: Journolist at July 30, 2012 11:14 PM (5noOE)

611 The Korean story sounds just like the story of Malcolm Caldwell. Not just a student, but a professor in London, he was extremely critical of the evil US and really into the Khmer Rouge. Since he was such a big fan of the Khmer, Pol Pot personally invited him to be among the first Westerners to visit Cambodia since taking power. Naturally he was executed within hours on orders from Pol Pot.

Posted by: TheBombDiggity at July 30, 2012 11:14 PM (QwC/8)

612 Waivers and favoritism -- it never ends with this bunch. Unfortunately, they can "succeed" only when everyone else believes in the rule of law and they don't.....when nobody believes it, it's Mad Max time.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 03:12 AM (kaalw)

Don't forget the enthusiastic help in destroying the integrity of contracts (the basis of modern society) by the SCOTASS, which would be known as the biggest piece of shit institution in all of human history if the Indonesian Imbecile and his lunatic junta on the Hill hadn't beaten them in that by leaps and bounds. The whole feral government has been so utterly out of control that I almost laugh at anyone who thinks it's repairable in any way. Trust in these institutions can never be reinstilled in anyone with a brain. They are done.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 11:18 PM (X3lox)

613 602 "I don't want to upset anyone here but Obama unfortunately is gonna win and or cause a rev in this country."

Obama may win but the rev isn't happening unless he can sell the "you didn't build that" shtick.

Posted by: schizoid at July 30, 2012 11:19 PM (N0ads)

614 My threadkilling comments are 100% advertising free!

Posted by: schizoid at July 30, 2012 11:26 PM (N0ads)

615 Roses are red, Lavender is ... lavender, I'd rather be late for the ONT, Then coming off a 3 day bender ... or ... something like that ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 30, 2012 11:28 PM (qmMAj)

616 My threadkilling comments are 100% advertising free!

Posted by: schizoid at July 31, 2012 03:26 AM (N0ads)

We could tell by your hash.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 11:28 PM (X3lox)

617 What if Romney wins but the permanent civil service runs the country anyway.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 11:31 PM (QTHTd)

618 What if Romney wins but the permanent civil service runs the country anyway. The civil service can only push the ladder up the wall ... The President decides which wall ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 30, 2012 11:35 PM (qmMAj)

619 The permanent civil service won't be quite as permanent if we take a chainsaw to select departments; Energy, Education, Homeland Security, etc etc. A fella can dream... oh and the vast majority of the State Dept. And the Justice Dept, and....

Posted by: zeera at July 30, 2012 11:38 PM (XtxRN)

620 zeera at July 31, 2012 03:38 AM (XtxRN) cut. jib.

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 30, 2012 11:39 PM (qmMAj)

621 What if Romney wins but the permanent civil service runs the country anyway.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 31, 2012 03:31 AM (QTHTd)

If Romney wins, the Fed is going to finally start unwinding all of the insane positions they have built up in order to support and protect the Dog-Eater and his junta. You will see such a massive drain on the money supply and rise in interest rates that we'll be staring at the abyss within a month or two of inauguration ... half a year at the outside. The Fed would never pull this shit with Dems in power because they actually fear for their lives, but as soon as they have a law abiding person in power who they don't have to worry about their families with, they are going to start unwinding and it will be ... epic. EPIC. It is stuff that has to be done eventually, though the Fed should have been stopped from putting us in this situation long ago, but they'll take the first sign of a decent person in the White House as their only chance to unwind (which is likely true). I doubt the American Socialist Superstate has the integrity or courage to make it through that leaving any semblance of a rational society.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 11:41 PM (X3lox)

622 Cows are best for beef, Pigs are best for pork, The best things for our cultural betters, Are torches and a pitchfork ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 30, 2012 11:42 PM (qmMAj)

623 Posted by: zeera at July 31, 2012 03:38 AM (XtxRN) The cuts list is pretty much the same as the department list. I pretty much just dropped back by to say goodnight and put my sock back on, but thanks for giving me a chance to respond to content.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 11:46 PM (bxiXv)

624 Good night, Merovign ... better tomorrows ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 30, 2012 11:48 PM (qmMAj)

625 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 31, 2012 03:41 AM (X3lox) I hope somebody is working on an epic explanation for the Average Person about how we got into that mess, in a series of 17-second soundbytes and/or a YouFace video. A big downside the rapid power shifts is that responsible leaders get *boned* by their predecessors.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 11:48 PM (bxiXv)

626 625 Good night, Merovign ... better tomorrows ... Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 31, 2012 03:48 AM (qmMAj) Thank you. I just hope they discover a magic thing that lets them repair my car for less money. And all my doctors magically start answering questions in a timely fashion. And a billion dollars, a baby cheetah, and Gemma Atkinson. Go big or stay home when it comes to wishing.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 30, 2012 11:50 PM (bxiXv)

627 To offset, at least partially, the Fed returning to monetary sanity and the problems that will result, Romney can make sweeping Executive Orders to unravel the regulations inflicted on this country by the Dems and to unleash the energy sector. There's no better refuge in the world for parking money and with an adult in charge, I could foresee our economy spring back in a big way. There's a lot of activity just waiting to take place once Obama exits stage left

Posted by: zeera at July 30, 2012 11:52 PM (XtxRN)

628 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 31, 2012 03:48 AM (bxiXv)

Unlikely that any explanation would do anything. Now is the time to be explaining, but no one is even bothering - not even the alleged Fed-haters and monetary hawks. Everyone is too studiously pretending it won't happen. Did you catch Bernanke at the last hearing when someone asked him about unwinding the Fed's balance sheet? He said, with a straight face, "We don't think that will be any problem."

$3 trillion ... lots of bad paper as collateral ... untwisting in government debt to be done ... "No problem". And no one on the committee even challenged that. No one. Because they all know how bad it's going to be. Well, they all have an idea .. which is only a tenth of how bad it's going to be, but even that scares the living shit out of them, as it should.

The escape valve is default (and nothing else), but that brings up a whole other kettle of fish. But, default is always there and I believe it will be inevitable, though getting through that mess will be something else. It will be loads of fun watching people try to collect on US CDSs!! ROFLMAO at people who think they can actually get serious insurance in the case of a US default. I'm laughing now just thinking about it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 11:55 PM (X3lox)

629 The first and last Catwomen are the hottest - because most believable. Simple costumes on athletic women.

Although I suspect the first one might be wearing a corset under there.

So that leaves the last one. (Even though I didn't like the movie.)

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 30, 2012 11:55 PM (QTHTd)

630 I'm still laughing at the idea of US CDSs actually paying off ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2012 11:57 PM (X3lox)

631

Been raining off and on all day. love it, temp dropped a bunch.

Whos still here?

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 30, 2012 11:58 PM (OTK2G)

632 632 Been raining off and on all day. love it, temp dropped a bunch. Whos still here? Posted by: lou's a girl at July 31, 2012 03:58 AM (OTK2G) I'm not, I went to sleep already. Wait, what?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 31, 2012 12:00 AM (bxiXv)

633 Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 31, 2012 03:50 AM (bxiXv) Poof said the Genie ... and suddenly Mero found himself surrounded by a billion dollars and all of the new Obamacare IRS agents pounding on his door ... and just as suddenly, Mero found himself petting his new baby cheetah when Fish and Game wardens burst in with nets and tranquilizer guns ... then a cold, clammy chill raised the hairs on the back of Mero's neck as a shadow fell across his door ... "Gemma Atkinson?" he cried. "No, mate, it's me, Rowan!!!"

Posted by: Genie whose not hard of hearing but does have that monkey's paw ... at July 31, 2012 12:00 AM (qmMAj)

634 I wish it would rain here. I miss rain. It rained up here while I was in LA. &#%@^!*(

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 31, 2012 12:01 AM (bxiXv)

635 Wait, what?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 31, 2012 04:00 AM (bxiXv)

Its just a dream

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 31, 2012 12:01 AM (OTK2G)

636 "If Romney wins, the Fed is going to finally start unwinding all of the insane positions they have built up in order to support and protect the Dog-Eater and his junta."

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 31, 2012 03:41 AM (X3lox)

I wish. Bernanke is an academic with a thesis and no real world experience. His thesis is that no economic problem exists that can't be solved by the central bank printing more money.

Posted by: schizoid at July 31, 2012 12:01 AM (N0ads)

637 Posted by: Genie whose not hard of hearing but does have that monkey's paw ... at July 31, 2012 04:00 AM (qmMAj) You're off my Christmas list.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 31, 2012 12:02 AM (bxiXv)

638 Merovign can have Gemma Atkinson. I'll take Gemma Arterton.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 31, 2012 12:02 AM (X3lox)

639 The funny thing is, I normally like dark hair. Perhaps my Gemma phase will pass faster than my Beckinsale one, who knows.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 31, 2012 12:04 AM (bxiXv)

640 You're off my Christmas list. Such gratitude! You'd rather have a million ducks or a 12 inch pianist?

Posted by: Genie whose not hard of hearing but does have that monkey's paw ... at July 31, 2012 12:05 AM (qmMAj)

641 I wish. Bernanke is an academic with a thesis and no real world experience. His thesis is that no economic problem exists that can't be solved by the central bank printing more money.

Posted by: schizoid at July 31, 2012 04:01 AM (N0ads)

As dumb as Bernanke is, he knows that the Fed can't run up the balance sheet forever and he'll take the first chance possible to undo it and be able to get away with his life.

As soon as interest start rising even a smidgeon, it's all over. Our national debt is concentrated in the shortest duration ever, which means that our debt service is the most vulnerable ever to rises from the lowest interest rates in history (negative in some Eurotrash shitholes, which used to be thought impossible ... like stagflation - they're getting fucking paid to borrow and spend money!!). We have been in a dream world that cannot go on much longer and Bernanke the idiot even knows that. He'll bail at the first chance and Mittens' inauguration would be that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 31, 2012 12:07 AM (X3lox)

642 but hey ... no hard feelings ... http://tinyurl.com/cssyf2r heh, heh, he said hard ...

Posted by: Genie whose not hard of hearing but does have that monkey's paw ... at July 31, 2012 12:07 AM (qmMAj)

643 ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 31, 2012 04:07 AM (X3lox) I have no idea if Monty's here or no ... but just in case he's not ... DOOM

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 31, 2012 12:10 AM (qmMAj)

644 http://tinyurl.com/cssyf2r

heh, heh, he said hard ...

Posted by: Genie whose not hard of hearing but does have that monkey's paw ... at July 31, 2012 04:07 AM (qmMAj)

I might have to change my vote ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 31, 2012 12:11 AM (X3lox)

645
DOOM
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 31, 2012 04:10 AM (qmMAj)

It is what it is. Can't say it was done without ~~anyone~~ everyone knowing the entire time.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 31, 2012 12:13 AM (X3lox)

646 You'd rather have a million ducks or a 12 inch pianist?

Posted by: Genie whose not hard of hearing but does have that monkey's paw ... at July 31, 2012 04:05 AM (qmMAj)

I want the house, senate obama gone, and a brand new camaro, is that asking too much?

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 31, 2012 12:13 AM (OTK2G)

647 http://wallpapers-hd.org/walls/gemma_atkinson_5.jpg That was my "Gemma Conversion Photo."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 31, 2012 12:13 AM (bxiXv)

648 So, default it is. The sooner the better. And with a capable, experienced manager at the helm, there's a chance we could make it to the other side. The SHTF senario is something I'd rather endure here than any where else.

Posted by: zeera at July 31, 2012 12:14 AM (XtxRN)

649 http://wallpapers-hd.org/walls/gemma_atkinson_5.jpg

That was my "Gemma Conversion Photo."
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 31, 2012 04:13 AM (bxiXv)

Fuckin' A!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 31, 2012 12:15 AM (X3lox)

650 I want the house, senate obama gone, and a brand new camaro, is that asking too much? Posted by: lou's a girl at July 31, 2012 04:13 AM (OTK2G) Kids Wish Network is giving away a 1969 SS/RS 396 and a 2012 SS/RS 770 plus 35k to pay taxes. The site is down at the moment, www.winthecamaros.com Hopefully not because it's all a fraud. Check back in a day or two.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 31, 2012 12:18 AM (bxiXv)

651 Also, stop tempting me with comments! I am supposed to be asleep! Somebody shut off the internet so I can sleep!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 31, 2012 12:18 AM (bxiXv)

652 The SHTF senario is something I'd rather endure here than any where else.
Posted by: zeera at July 31, 2012 04:14 AM (XtxRN)

I would agree, if we had the domestic integrity of contracts to fall back on. Well, at least have some states that could forge a way through ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 31, 2012 12:19 AM (X3lox)

653 Getting close Robert, I see you lurking in the weeds

Posted by: zeera at July 31, 2012 12:19 AM (XtxRN)

654 I want the house, senate obama gone, and a brand new camaro, is that asking too much? yes. you'll get nothing and you'll send me the finder's fee!!!

Posted by: Genie whose not hard of hearing but does have that monkey's paw ... at July 31, 2012 12:20 AM (qmMAj)

655 Hopefully not because it's all a fraud. Check back in a day or two.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 31, 2012 04:18 AM (bxiXv)

Will do, going to bed. Hoping I can sleep, sheesh will be glad when these 99 days are over and some sanity may return to America. Night

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 31, 2012 12:21 AM (OTK2G)

656 Sleep, Mero, sleep, Count the fluffy sheep, No more internet to peep, Go the F! to sleep ...

Posted by: lullaby and good night at July 31, 2012 12:22 AM (qmMAj)

657 642 As dumb as Bernanke is, he knows that the Fed can't run up the balance sheet forever and he'll take the first chance possible to undo it and be able to get away with his life.

Bernanke thinks that if we would all just shut up and let him run up the balance sheet as much as he wants to, everything would be fine.

As soon as interest start rising even a smidgeon, it's all over..

Yup, and the market gets it, even if ZeroHedge doesn't.

Posted by: schizoid at July 31, 2012 12:23 AM (N0ads)

658 On second thought, 'here' isn't the greatest location for SHTF. Winter, blech... maybe Texas or somewhere coastal

Posted by: zeera at July 31, 2012 12:23 AM (XtxRN)

659 The only place for the SHTF is wearing a plastic rain coat under a plastic tarp whist sitting in a plastic chair ... with a bar of soap ...

Posted by: Attended one to many Gallagher acts at July 31, 2012 12:25 AM (qmMAj)

660 The new Camaro is a real test of my resolution never to buy from Government Motors. Or it would be if I weren't unemployed. Oh well, I guess if I want a decent car, I will just have to finish my

http://tinyurl.com/coupe65

Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet troll at July 31, 2012 12:27 AM (pcnpf)

661 Trees grow in the forest, Mushrooms grow in shit, I expect a bumper crop, When the next 100 days has hit ...

Posted by: Adriane, currently sock free, but wearing pants ... at July 31, 2012 12:28 AM (qmMAj)

662 The Camaro, the Challenger, the Mustang, it is rather ironic that this is the renaissance of the American Muscle car, especially given that the government would like to make us all drive something useless.

Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet troll at July 31, 2012 12:29 AM (pcnpf)

663 Saw gallagher in a TV commercial recently; he had a heart attack at a gig in the home of the Mayo Clinic. 15 EMTs and medical professionals were in the audience... he couldn't have picked a better place

Posted by: zeera at July 31, 2012 12:30 AM (XtxRN)

664 Snails go slow, Race cars go fast, I hope the coming 'Crazy Years', Are soon a thing of the past ...

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 31, 2012 12:31 AM (qmMAj)

665 Here?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 31, 2012 12:31 AM (xa1/W)

666

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 12:31 AM (4ixH5)

667 WOOT! Drive by, snagged it!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 31, 2012 12:31 AM (xa1/W)

668 Are we there yet?!?

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 31, 2012 12:31 AM (qmMAj)

669 *Suddenly, a million redheads fall into GGE's lap*

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 12:32 AM (4ixH5)

670 Robert !!! GGE !!!

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 31, 2012 12:32 AM (qmMAj)

671 Adriane!!!

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 12:32 AM (4ixH5)

672 Nice grab GGE, aced Roberto right out of it

Posted by: zeera at July 31, 2012 12:33 AM (XtxRN)

673 Forget what I said about SRWare. Can't handle the million links I open at Insty.

Boo!

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 12:33 AM (4ixH5)

674 A long day ... Good night, you! GOOD MORNING, VIC!!!!

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 31, 2012 12:34 AM (qmMAj)

675 Good night, Adriane!

May you dream of Ben Browder filling in for Vic on the morning news thread.

Or...something...

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 12:36 AM (4ixH5)

676 And now, I take my lap full of redheads (it's a nice dream anyway) and scoot off back to work.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 31, 2012 12:38 AM (xa1/W)

677 Thinking of Ben in a black leather Peacekeeper uniform might have the power to keep me sane during the crazy years ... but canned food and ammo won't hurt either ...

Posted by: Adriane is no good at this political slogan stuff ... at July 31, 2012 12:39 AM (qmMAj)

678 I just had a winner of an idea. Like those Lunchables things they sell to kids.

Survivables.

A thick slice of meat packaged together with a handful of bullets.

Fuck me, I'm a genius. Someone give me a million dollars in start-up capital.

Posted by: Robert says capitalism is easy at July 31, 2012 12:44 AM (4ixH5)

679 Good night, GGE!

Don't work too hard.

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 12:44 AM (4ixH5)

680 I'm still in awe of rule #1 for being in a gunfight. It really lays bare the stupid hypocrisy of the Brady bunch.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 01:00 AM (kaalw)

681 What about rule #1 for a naked pillow fight?

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 01:04 AM (4ixH5)

682 WTF? Fox has a video on their homepage titled "Where does electoral map stand?" -- and Texas is pink. PINK?!?!??!? TEXAS?!???!?!?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 01:05 AM (kaalw)

683 682 What about rule #1 for a naked pillow fight?

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 05:04 AM (4ixH5)

Do NOT tell me it involves a TPAKTOP.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 01:06 AM (kaalw)

684 In Soviet Russia, pillow hits you!

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 01:07 AM (4ixH5)

685 682 What about rule #1 for a naked pillow fight?

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 05:04 AM (4ixH5)

Bring an insanely-hot hurdler?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 01:07 AM (kaalw)

686 685 In Soviet Russia, pillow hits you!

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 05:07 AM (4ixH5)

In Soviet Russia, after pillow-fight you have down all over the INside.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 01:09 AM (kaalw)

687 Shittin' feathers for a week!

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 01:12 AM (4ixH5)

688 Just as a side note, I thought I'd pop this over here from Warm Aether:

Defined benefit pensions suffer from a combination of human nature and harsh mathematics.

If a million people contribute a dollar per week for some lovely benefit five years in the future, and it occurs to one of them to worry about it, heÂ’s going to worry $1 worth.

On the other hand, if someone is thinking of looting the plan, there will be $104M sitting there after just two years. You can spend a million dollars making the worrywart think everything is wonderful and still have a nine-figure take.

Which is why defined-benefit pensions should be as illegal as their closely-aligned brethren, Ponzi schemes.

cthulhu on July 31, 2012 at 2:47 AM

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 01:14 AM (kaalw)

689 Anyone have a defibrillator for this thread?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 01:25 AM (kaalw)

690 Want I should cockslap it?

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 01:34 AM (4ixH5)

691 Excuse me, excuse me, pardon me.....I'm an expert here......former auditor.

Yes, yes.....one mention of pension finance and MEGO syndrome (My Eyes Glaze Over).....perfectly understandable....

The only cure is to change the subject immediately. How 'bout: http://tinyurl.com/bs8dfkz ?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 01:37 AM (kaalw)

692 Thing about Ms. Upton -- she doesn't necessarily have the world's best body.....but she looks like she's having bodacious fun with the bod she has.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 01:38 AM (kaalw)

693 Kate Upton's only flaw is that she's not squirming in my lap right now.

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 01:40 AM (4ixH5)

694 693 Thing about Ms. Upton -- she doesn't necessarily have the world's best body.....but she looks like she's having bodacious fun with the bod she has.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 05:38 AM (kaalw)

It's really hard to imagine that she's the niece of the killjoy scold who killed light bulbs.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 01:42 AM (kaalw)

695 I'd light Kate's bulbs, IYKWIM.

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 01:46 AM (4ixH5)

696 http://tinyurl.com/cfjxooj

Women's beach volleyball really is the only worthwhile thing about the Olympics anymore.

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 01:51 AM (4ixH5)

697 I'm fading fast. I think I'd better shuffle off to Buffalo.....

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 01:51 AM (kaalw)

698 so the matrix director has transformed himself into a woman...gay or not, switching genders is a total pillar of insanity. gotta love how the media tries to normalize this shit lol

Posted by: george lucas's neck-pouch at July 31, 2012 01:54 AM (G3cj8)

699 697 http://tinyurl.com/cfjxooj

Women's beach volleyball really is the only worthwhile thing about the Olympics anymore.

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 05:51 AM (4ixH5)

Since when does Switzerland have a beach?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2012 01:55 AM (kaalw)

700 Implying hot women should only get half-naked near sand? Think outside of the box!

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 02:00 AM (4ixH5)

701 Good night, Cooth.

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 02:01 AM (4ixH5)

702

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 02:01 AM (4ixH5)

703

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 02:01 AM (4ixH5)

704 Heh, that was close.

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 02:01 AM (4ixH5)

705 Was too busy to post tonite but zeera, what do you think about the trade?

Posted by: Zakn at July 31, 2012 02:24 AM (zfs2X)

706 May I step in and ask what trade?

Posted by: teej at July 31, 2012 02:28 AM (osdNx)

707 #700

It has big lakes, which leads to the wearing on bikinis.

Good enough.

Posted by: epobirs at July 31, 2012 02:32 AM (kcfmt)

708 Howdy, Zakn, Teej, Epo.

Good night, Zakn, Teej, Epo.

Good morning, Vic!

Posted by: Robert at July 31, 2012 02:48 AM (4ixH5)

709

Hey Zakn. Dunno. Frankie wasn't reliable, didn't know if the 'good' pitcher or the 'god awful' one would take the mound, so I don't think we really lost anything. I have no idea what quality we got in return. Your thoughts on those two guys?

Gotta love AJ giving up the 9th inning error tho.

Posted by: zeera at July 31, 2012 02:49 AM (XtxRN)

710 Car GPS to "recover lost revenue from mileage improvements" is total BS. Truck miles chew up roads and their mileage isn't going to get much better. Cars already have Odometers.

It's just about cheap tracking and auto-ticketing.

They don't even spend the gas tax soley on roads now as promised.

Posted by: DaveA at July 31, 2012 02:54 AM (DVJEd)

711 "One problem with that, from a governmental standpoint: gas taxes are how we pay for roads."

The deuce you say! I've been told by highly placed sources that roads and bridges are given us by the grace and charity of the government, built with the sweat and tears of someone else, only to be stolen from under our noses by those thieving capitalist businessmen.

Anyway, the obvious problem here it they don't much spend this money on roads or bridges. And when they deign to do so, it's allocated based on politics to companies that have no incentive to control costs.

Baltimore is a good example, as is usually the case where corruption and waste are concerned. We're supposed to have a trust fund that exists to maintain state infrastructure. Shockingly, the trust fund consists mostly of motheaten IOUs. So faced with water-main breaks and sinkholes and miserable streets they choose to spend the money they don't have to redesign a handful of Baltimore streets to run an urban Grand Prix race.

Shockingly, the race did not bring in the incredible sums for the city they promised it would. And, in fact, it cost more than it made. So now they add a bottle tax, and increase gas taxes again, and add another increase bridge tolls on the only bridge connecting the two halves of the state, and a myriad of other measures that the local news is too busy to bother telling anyone about.

But we have an urgent need to track people's movements so our impoverished government can afford to buy some asphalt. Yeah.

Posted by: GalosGann at July 31, 2012 04:29 AM (T3KlW)

712 If this becomes common then it won't be long before we see GPS spoofers and jammers everywhere. Something to look forward to.

Posted by: GalosGann at July 31, 2012 04:57 AM (T3KlW)

713 I kno its late for ont comments n i hope this was already covered but honestly im not going to read 700+ comments to find out so just n case here goes: The whole humans doing nonhumans was very misleading n illogical. First off if its n the hominid classification that pretty much takes the term nonhuman off the table. Next we need only to look at modern examples of animals to see how close two mates have to be in order to not only reproduce but to actually produce fertile offspring to pass on genes to b studied thousands of years later. Look at horses, mules, n donkeys. U wouldnt think theyr so different as to hav breeding problems. Two can produc offspring but it will b infertile everytime and thus inable to pass on the dna of its parents to future generations. How much more complicted r humans? We can make tools, r self aware, make art, and bury our dead w ceremony. So too could neanderthals. To call them nonhuman shows little knowledge of anthropology and no critical thinkng. The title suggested beastiality or scientology, but the subject was human ancestry n genetics. I assure u that only the genetically closest of potential mates can reproduce viable, fertile offsprng n u dont hav to look far to witness that fact. Also all the more reason for the creationists to take heart.

Posted by: Infidelswine at July 31, 2012 05:18 AM (8EaMe)

714 If this becomes common then it won't be long before we see GPS spoofers and jammers everywhere. And cloners like the sim card hackers got. Then everyone can drive around using the ID from Alec Baldwin's car.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 05:22 AM (apjdA)

715 Hey, I like xkcd. And no, I'll never willingly vote for the SCOAMF

Posted by: Eric at July 31, 2012 06:21 AM (ClJ2V)

716

"Even outside the ranks of government officials, many Arab men are raised to see the mustache as a sign of manhood."

Yeah, because I think the koran prohibits the growing of facial hair, (on the men at least), until such time as they have successfully deflowered a nine-year old. It's like a right of passage or something. But don't hold me to this because I haven't read the koran. When I find one I usually just set it on fire, or throw it in the toilet.

Posted by: MWTexas at July 31, 2012 06:52 AM (N05oL)

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