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July 09, 2012

Overnight Open Thread (7-9-2012)
— Maetenloch

Fat Is Officially Incurable (According to Science)

Yep that's the bad news:

Here's a much larger analysis of every long-term weight loss study they could find. They all find the exact same thing: You can lose and keep off some minor amount, 10 or 15 pounds, for the rest of your life -- it's hard, but it can be done. Rarer cases may keep off a little more. But no one goes from actually fat to actually thin and stays thin permanently.

Well except for a few lucky freaks who do maintain major weight loss. And how rare are these people? Pretty freakin' rare:

Well, this person did the math, and as far as they could tell, two out of 1,000 Weight Watchers customers actually maintain large weight losses permanently. Two out of a thousand. That means if you are fat, you are 25 times more likely to survive getting shot in the head than to stop being fat.

But, but, but what if I cut out processed and junk food, avoid corn syrup, work out, stop watching TV or drinking alcohol, stay active, and basically live like the Amish do - I'll be thin then right??

Nope - it turns out that even the Amish who do all the 'right' things lifestyle-wise still get fat:

Among the Old Order Amish, the adult women had an average BMI of 27.8 - about 162 pounds for a 5'-4" woman - and the men had average BMIs of 25.7 - about 180 pounds for a 5'-10" man. "The prevalence of overweight and obesity in [Amish] men was 54.0% and 10.1%, respectively, and in [Amish] women was 63.7% and 30.5%, respectively." They are not thinner than the rest of country, despite untold amounts of physical activity and healthy living.

And it turns out that all that physical labor that they're famous for has a relatively small effect on weight:

for a man of average Old Order Amish height and BMI, working out 16 hours versus 12 hours a day would equate to about a 15 pounds difference; and for a woman, working out 14 versus 10 hours a day would correlate with a whole 12 pounds difference in body weight. These nominal weight differences would still not transform someone naturally obese into someone thin.

Okay, but they get sick just like regular American slobs too right? Nope:

The Amish don't diet and the ideal of slimness is foreign to them, according to the German researcher. Stoutness and robustness is considered an asset for hard field work among the men and childbearing for the women. Yet, the Amish have lower rates of heart disease and rates of type 2 diabetes that are only about half that of the general American population.

So they're heavy but not necessarily unhealthy.

The goal here is not to depress you but to point out that losing and keeping off a lot of weight permanently is really, really hard. And since genes and biology are involved, there's likely no magic diet or behavior bullet that will ever change this. So if you're kinda big, odds are that you'll never become a long-term thin person - but you can be a thinner and healthier version of you.

How ObamaTaxCare Will Really Work

Even after passing it no one really knows exactly what's in it. But here Veronique de Rugy breaks down some of the nitty-gritty to give you an idea of how it'll work.

The penalty/tax will be phased in from 2014 to 2016.
The minimum penalty/tax in 2016 will be $695 per person and up to 3-times that per family.
After 2016, these amounts will increase at the rate of inflation.
The minimum penalty/tax per person will start at $95 in 2014 (and then increase through 2016)
No family will ever pay more than 3X the per-person penalty, regardless of how many people are in the family.
The $695 per-person penalty is only for those who make between $9,500 and ~$37,000 per year. If you make less than ~$9.500, you're exempt. If you make more than ~$37,000, your penalty is calculated by the following formula.
The penalty is 2.5% of any household income above the level at which you are required to file a tax return. That level is currently $9,500 per person and $19,000 per couple. The penalty on any income above that is 2.5%. So the penalty can get expensive quickly if you make a lot of money.
However, the penalty can never be more than the cost of a "Bronze" heath insurance plan purchased through one of the state "exchanges" that will be created as part of Obamacare. The CBO estimates that these policies will cost $4,500-$5,000 per person and $12,000-$12,500 per family in 2016, with the costs rising thereafter.

And here's how much will be coming out of your pocket:

Less than $9,500 income = $0
$9,500 - $37,000 income = $695
$50,000 income = $1,000
$75,000 income = $1,600
$100,000 income = $2,250
$125,000 income = $2,900
$150,000 income = $3,500
$175,000 income = $4,100
$200,000 income = $4,700
Over $200,000 = The cost of a "bronze" health-insurance plan.

And if this seems rather regressive to you, you're correct:

Even a quick look makes it clear that 75% of the taxes to be paid will be paid by those making $120,000 or less. That, my friends is a middle class tax increase of epic proportions- something this president promised wouldn't happen on his watch.

Keith Olbermann's High School Yearbook Page

Apparently he was already called to hackdom even then.

"Journalists say a thing they know isn't true, in the hope that if they say it long enough it will be true."

The Return of Debtor's Prisons

Debtor's Prisons are supposed to be illegal in the US but with many cities and towns desperate for revenue they're making a de facto comeback.

Even minor offenses now come with many fees and charges tacked on whether or not you're convicted with failure (or inability) to pay leading to escalating fees (with high interest rates), penalties and even jail time. And of course you'll be charged for your jail time too.

Three years ago, Gina Ray, who is now 31 and unemployed, was fined $179 for speeding. She failed to show up at court (she says the ticket bore the wrong date), so her license was revoked.
When she was next pulled over, she was, of course, driving without a license. By then her fees added up to more than $1,500. Unable to pay, she was handed over to a private probation company and jailed - charged an additional fee for each day behind bars.
For that driving offense, Ms. Ray has been locked up three times for a total of 40 days and owes $3,170, much of it to the probation company.

How KA-BAR Was Born

The KA-BAR knife became famous during WWII but Union Cutlery was making knives long before then.

Wanna Crush Some Cars?

Of course you do:

A business named Drive-a-Tank offers drivers the chance to pilot surplus military tanks and other armored vehicles around an old limestone quarry and smash junk cars like an action movie hero.
The ride is loud, grinding, hot and dirty - ideal for satisfying one's inner Rambo.
...A basic package that includes driving a tank and shooting a machine gun costs $399, with more expensive options for driving several models and shooting other weapons such as assault rifles. Drivers who want to smash a car pay an additional $549; for about $3,500, a customer can drive a tank through a trailer house.

And for those playing double-post bingo this also appeared on the sidebar so it counts.

One of the Mothra Twins Has Died

Sad news - Emi Ito, one of the two fairies that sang lullabies to summon Mothra, has died at the age of 71.

The identical twins were perhaps the most memorable human characters in the Godzilla series, and Emi and Yumi Ito were the two actresses who played the roles. They recorded hit albums in Japan going by the name "The Peanuts" and were one of that country's first pop sensations, one of the few that became well known internationally.

...In 1961, they achieved international immortality when they appeared in the movie MOTHRA as fairies, or pixies, called "shobijin" (small beauties) who had telepathic communication with Mothra, giving The Peanuts a somewhat supernatural aura.

Even now there's something still mesmerizing about the Mothra song.

The Yahoo AoSHQ group. Bla bla bla.

And don't forget about the Job Bank.

And my twitter thang.

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1 Hello from occupied Chicago, yet again.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 09, 2012 05:57 PM (agXfn)

2 ...and good luck to CJ and Ace, along with any other morons fighting the battle of the bulge.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 09, 2012 05:59 PM (agXfn)

3 I want Obama and all of Congress' health plans made public. Now. And then changed to what we all have to live with.

Posted by: Secundus at July 09, 2012 06:01 PM (EHvdR)

I should be Amish. Anyone interested in a sturdy woman with a P that bites?

Posted by: Herpglerble at July 09, 2012 06:01 PM (QGwv0)

5 This is Bennington, Vermont. g'evenin', 'rons (we should make that an ONOT tradition, we all sign on with our vague geographic location...like Shire Network News used to do)

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 09, 2012 06:01 PM (sTQDb)

6 Morgan Fairchild is Patsy McClenny

---that is all---

Posted by: Danny Bona-D at July 09, 2012 06:01 PM (Dll6b)

7 #5 NC OK

Posted by: Herpglerble at July 09, 2012 06:03 PM (QGwv0)

8 Alton, as was clear, I'm in Chicago, but I'm getting back to working down south as soon as I can. For all its charms, I can't say much in favor of a city where "it's hotter than normal out" = more shootings / tourist beatings at random by mobs of kids.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 09, 2012 06:04 PM (agXfn)

9 YAY! Another diet/religion ONT! Wait, what's the opposite of "yay?"

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 06:04 PM (bxiXv)

10 @5 Lafayette LA

Posted by: Secundus at July 09, 2012 06:04 PM (EHvdR)

11 this is a dumpster behind Hollywood Blvd

Posted by: Danny Bona-Duce at July 09, 2012 06:04 PM (Dll6b)

12 Holy crap! Are those eyebrows real? I've rarely seen eyebrows like those that weren't attached to fake glasses and a prosthetic nose.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 06:04 PM (kcfmt)

13 hi all Maet i must say your ONT Tonight is particularly depressing

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 06:04 PM (4z0IZ)

14 Olbermann...dork even back then...

Posted by: Max Wedge at July 09, 2012 06:04 PM (GsBJY)

15 Good evening, ONT Denizens! I'm signing in from Earth. For the moment. What, too vague?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 06:05 PM (bxiXv)

16 #OccupyacornerofNYGiantsEndZone

Posted by: Jimmy Hoffa at July 09, 2012 06:06 PM (/izg2)

17 Greetings from steamy Orem, Utah.

Posted by: hh at July 09, 2012 06:06 PM (5H6zj)

18 merovign don't worry I'm sure the topic soon will turn to circumcision

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 06:06 PM (4z0IZ)

19 anybody read the washington times article on july 5th? EDITORIAL: The U.N. is coming for your guns Obama administration is pushing for global arms control

Posted by: willow at July 09, 2012 06:06 PM (TomZ9)

20 Annoying know-it-all sock off.

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:06 PM (5H6zj)

21 And regarding the Amish... 5'10" and one-eighty is not freaking fat.

Posted by: Secundus at July 09, 2012 06:07 PM (EHvdR)

22 Debtor Prisons don't seem like a terrific idea in a country as flush with guns as this one.

Posted by: Methos at July 09, 2012 06:07 PM (6LvlL)

23 Damnit, I'm always gonna be fat. At least I have normal eyebrows.

Posted by: JDTAY at July 09, 2012 06:07 PM (a0nis)

So I'm pulling a Frnak J here: what other ONT killers were missed? Let us know in the comments!

I'll start - anything about guns. I hate that it's so, but it's so.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 09, 2012 06:07 PM (agXfn)

25 Re the weight thing, I'm of the opinion that gaining a little weight as you get older is a good thing and certainly a natural one. But if the weight is keeping you from staying active, that's too much weight.

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:08 PM (5H6zj)

26 EDITORIAL: The U.N. is coming for your guns
Obama administration is pushing for global arms control

?

Posted by: willow at July 09, 2012 10:06 PM (TomZ9)

Oh? Well nevermind, then.

Posted by: Methos at July 09, 2012 06:08 PM (6LvlL)

27 this is London calling

Posted by: the Clash ( stoned again ) at July 09, 2012 06:08 PM (Dll6b)

I wonder if alcohol consumption was taken into account? I'm a bit portly when off the sauce, but when I partake regularly I can get downright pot-bellied real quick.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 06:08 PM (4mGuz)

29 I think the "fitness craze" was partly a failure because it wasn't a fitness craze for a lot of people, it was a "thin craze," partly because of advertising and Hollyweird's obsession with thinness. Christina Hendricks is a lot more "normal" than most of the people she stands next to at hollywood shindigs - maybe even a *touch* thinner than normal. The human self-image is distorted.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 06:08 PM (bxiXv)

30 I hadn't been in there in at least six years but I was kind of sad to discover the local Hometown Buffet is no more.

Back in the day I could do a lot of damage at a place like that, yet I was thinner.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 06:09 PM (kcfmt)

31 Oh man, I'm not even allowed to drink and I'm still fat. At least that would be an excuse.

Posted by: JDTAY at July 09, 2012 06:09 PM (a0nis)

32 When we lived in Chicago we quickly learned that "warmer means weirder." Cold winters drive the hobos indoors.

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:09 PM (5H6zj)

33 Signing on from the King Burger.

Posted by: Bon Qui Qui at July 09, 2012 06:10 PM (WtYPk)

34 @20 Great idea, UN! We'll let you get started with Somalia. When you finish there, finish sub-Saharan Africa. Well, what are you still doing here? Off you go!

Posted by: Secundus at July 09, 2012 06:10 PM (EHvdR)

35 24 Debtor Prisons don't seem like a terrific idea in a country as flush with guns as this one. Posted by: Methos at July 09, 2012 10:07 PM (6LvlL) Not to mention the fact that they generally don't actually get the debt paid. I think they were as much abandoned because they didn't work as because of the milk of human kindness. I mean, sure, if you're a rich deadbeat they work, but most debtors aren't that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 06:10 PM (bxiXv)

36 y-not I agree the stuff I learned in my weight loss journey is that you need to eat your veggies

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 06:11 PM (4z0IZ)

37 #16

Which Earth?

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 06:11 PM (kcfmt)

38 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at July 09, 2012 06:11 PM (Xb3hu)

39 32 I hadn't been in there in at least six years but I was kind of sad to discover the local Hometown Buffet is no more.

Back in the day I could do a lot of damage at a place like that, yet I was thinner.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 10:09 PM (kcfmt)

Never been...how's the selection of organic fair trade and locally sourced veggies? Is the Wagyu tough?

Posted by: Bark Ofailure at July 09, 2012 06:11 PM (agXfn)

40 Okay, I'm guessing that word is banned because of html tag abuse. Human sense of our own appearance?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 06:11 PM (bxiXv)

41
I don't believe there is $1600 coming out of my pocket for such a travesty anytime soon. I won't belabor the point, that is simply how it is and I have nothing more to add.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 09, 2012 06:11 PM (SAMxH)

42 The George W. Bush administration opposed the treaty when it was first proposed in 2006. However, the Obama administration is giving it high-level support. This has generated legitimate alarm on Capitol Hill. Last week, more than 125 members of Congress sent a letter to President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton registering strong objections about the treaty language being drafted, which they say is Â“likely to pose significant threats to our national security, foreign policy and economic interests as well as our constitutional rights

Posted by: willow at July 09, 2012 06:12 PM (TomZ9)

43 And since genes and biology are involved, there's likely no magic diet or behavior bullet that will ever change this.
***
However, obesity was extremely rare prior to the modern age.

So the issue is not genes and it is not biology - we didn't evolve to get fat in the last 100 years or so.

You are left with four possible reasons for modern obesity;

1) It is a disease of some sort
2) Calories goes up...and so does weight
3) Calories going out (in exercise) goes down and weight goes up
4) The type of diet we eat has changed and we metabolize it differently

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2012 06:12 PM (AUeaU)

44 Signing in not from a dimension of sight or sound, but of mind.

Posted by: Rod Serling at July 09, 2012 06:12 PM (pop1z)

45 Re that girl in debtor's prison: so the probation company jails her and.... what? How exactly are they getting money out of her locking her up?

What a stupid idea. Can't believe there is an actual company peddling this shit.

Posted by: KG at July 09, 2012 06:12 PM (IPz9m)

46 Olby was a twerp even in HS... who would have thought that??? Love the one entry "Model U. N. Club" and the Varsity Baseball Statistician.... has closet nerd written all over him...

Posted by: Mjölnir the Banhammer from Hell at July 09, 2012 06:13 PM (Jls4P)

47 They had a doc on FNC the end of last week discussing a study that had determined a little bit of extra weight on heart failure patients is a good thing.

Every time we think we know it all, we learn something else entirely.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 09, 2012 06:13 PM (piMMO)

48 That Miro thing looks like a wallpapering disaster.

Posted by: huerfano at July 09, 2012 06:13 PM (bAGA/)

49 ObamaCare, lead sponsor of the rapidly growing underground economy.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 06:13 PM (kcfmt)

50 Signing in from Judecca. I only wish for a drop of Chivas from Satan's butt cheeks...

Posted by: Ted Kennedy at July 09, 2012 06:13 PM (c1WVm)

NE Florida

And I second the motion that 5'10" 180# for a male isn't even CLOSE to fat.

If that is their avg weight yet they're saying 54% are overweight, I'm going to call bullshit.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 09, 2012 06:13 PM (rX1N2)

52 38 y-not I agree the stuff I learned in my weight loss journey is that you need to eat your veggies ----- It is a journey. Congrats on doing so well on it. Were there any foods you found were sort of your magic, go-to foods while you were dieting? Did you ever discover any fish that you can enjoy? Are you still in Texas?

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:13 PM (5H6zj)

53 EDITORIAL: The U.N. is coming for your guns Obama administration is pushing for global arms control Posted by: willow at July 09, 2012 10:06 PM (TomZ9) The MSM will be all over it in 999,999,999... 999,999,998... 999,999,997... Just like they were the last half-dozen times the UN brought this up. I remember hearing about the prior versions of this when I was a kid, and they had a big NGO push for it in the 90s. The perennial bureaucrat response to anything: POWER and CONTROL!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 06:14 PM (bxiXv)

54 Veronique de Rugy has kind of a smart sexy librarian thing working for her, the French name helps also.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 09, 2012 06:14 PM (GZitp)

55 Why the hell isn't there an ad blitz emphasizing these penalties right now? Obamacare is unpopular as it is without these being common knowledge. If you advertized how much was coming out of everybody's pocket, I have to think these would be deadly, no matter what lingering issues Romney has from his plan.

Posted by: AD at July 09, 2012 06:14 PM (uUsyW)

I miss my metabolism when I was nineteen. A typical meal would be hamburger helper, made with one pound of ground meat.....all eaten in one sitting.

I was still skinny as a rail and couldn't gain a pound despite my best efforts.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 06:14 PM (4mGuz)

57 Okay, if getting thin is so impossible and physical work isn't a factor . . .

Why are people fatter now than they used to be? Why weren't people always fat?

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 09, 2012 06:14 PM (SJCgJ)

58 As I understand it, the insurance provided by an employer must meet certain requirements to avoid penalties. So how many small companies have unqualified plans? The suckage is going to be epic when I discover that I have to buy qualified health insurance in addition to what my employer provides to avoid the massive fines.

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at July 09, 2012 06:14 PM (dBvlk)

59 39 #16

Which Earth?

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 10:11 PM (kcfmt)

He's an agent of the High Evolutionary from Counter-Earth. Get him!

Posted by: buzzion at July 09, 2012 06:15 PM (GULKT)

60 And I second the motion that 5'10" 180# for a male isn't even CLOSE to fat. Third-ed! When Mr Y-not had to lose weight a couple of years I was gobsmacked by the target weight the doctor gave him. IIRC it was something like 170lbs and he's 6' tall. I wouldn't let him do it.

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:15 PM (5H6zj)

61 Lost Wages, back from a whirlwind tour of Yosemite.

Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 09, 2012 06:15 PM (qqlqB)

62 #45

Wealth, or what we call being lower middle-class in the US, was quite rare, too.

Not a coincidence. Wealth has a cost.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 06:15 PM (kcfmt)

63 Greetings from Idaho The easiest way to lose weight is to never gain it in the first place. (trust me, when I was the skinny it was easy, now that I'm +40 losing 30 lbs is a mutha fukkin bitch.) on a side note the best wat to get in sahpe is to never get out of shape. I like running but running with a beer gut takes some gumption. oh, an dBHO gets bitch slapped by Muchelle

Posted by: honey Badger #5 at July 09, 2012 06:15 PM (RQjPS)

64 I s'pose I'm not educated and urbane enough to appreciate that piece of shit piece of art either.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 09, 2012 06:16 PM (rX1N2)

65 Why are people fatter now than they used to be? Why weren't people always fat?
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 09, 2012 10:14 PM

Lower incidence of intestinal parasites?

Posted by: huerfano at July 09, 2012 06:16 PM (bAGA/)

66 epobirs I know do the lefty idiots really think that all of the regulations will mean that the economy will always stay above board?

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 06:16 PM (4z0IZ)

67 I mean, sure, if you're a rich deadbeat they work, but most debtors aren't that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 10:10 PM (bxiXv)

If you're a rich deadbeat, it seems you try other things (via zerohedge and market-ticker)

Â“Due to a recent emergency involving Russell R. Wasendorf, Sr., a suicide attempt, some accounting irregularities are being investigated regarding company accounts. PFGBEST is wholly owned by Mr. Wasendorf. Therefore, the NFA and other officials have put all funds on hold, and PFGBEST is in liquidation-only status with our clearing FCM. What this means is no customers are able to trade except to liquidate positions. Until further notice, PFGBEST is not authorized to release any funds. We will update you as any new procedures are stipulated and with any further information as it becomes available.Â”

$200+ mil. Corzined.

Posted by: Methos at July 09, 2012 06:16 PM (6LvlL)

68 Three years ago, Gina Ray, who is now 31 and unemployed, was fined $179 for speeding.
***
A "crime" that 95% of drivers engage in.

If we were at all concerned about either making driving safer, or building confidence in the law, the current system of charging people hundreds or thousands of dollars for driving perfectly safely would end.

But...we aren't.

So the guy in the Prius doing 55 MPH in the left lane with his blinker on the whole way and miles of cars stuck behind him? SAFE DRIVER! The guy doing 75 MPH with the rest of the flow of traffic? Nail that bastard!

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2012 06:16 PM (AUeaU)

69 I read somewhere, can't recall where, that the BMI was developed by a social scientist who'd never been to med school.

Posted by: Secundus at July 09, 2012 06:16 PM (EHvdR)

70
1) It is a disease of some sort
2) Calories goes up...and so does weight
3) Calories going out (in exercise) goes down and weight goes up
4) The type of diet we eat has changed and we metabolize it differently

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2012 10:12 PM (AUeaU)

Never before in human history has food been as plentiful or varied as it is today, at least in 1st world countries. Combined with the lifestyle shift from agrarian to more urban / suburban modes and modern work involving hours of stasis, it should come as no surprise that we're fatter. I can live with it. Fat and sad beats starved and dead every single time, in my estimation. My apologies to any of the horde fighting weight issues - I haven't done it, so I can't understand, but the above is my conclusion.

Posted by: Bark Ofailure at July 09, 2012 06:17 PM (agXfn)

71 The Peoples Republic of Maryland checking in. I will say that it is not art if I could produce it. I could also stand to lose a lot of weight. I have yet to try though.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 09, 2012 06:17 PM (jucos)

72 I was still skinny as a rail and couldn't gain a pound despite my best efforts. Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 10:14 PM (4mGuz) Some genetic engineer is going to be a billionaire someday. And I think that's it about diet for me for now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 06:17 PM (bxiXv)

73 I'm confused about that Obamatax chart. Is that if you don't carry insurance or something wrapped into your benefits (or coming out of them) or a tax-tax or what?

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:18 PM (5H6zj)

74 y-not 1 thing that really helps for me was to have a breakfast shake or oatmeal that was really thick and so it was really filling . yes I'm still in texas

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 06:18 PM (4z0IZ)

75 #62

I'm 6' and the last time I was near 180 pounds I was very ill and looked it.

I don't know why so many doctors think scrawny is something to aspire to.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 06:18 PM (kcfmt)

Canton OH, where occupying a bar stool used to be the most favorite pastime in the county but then they came for the smokers. Now that they are coming for the fatties the shit is gonna hit the fan.

Posted by: Kala Bon at July 09, 2012 06:19 PM (ysWJ9)

77 I'm 5'10" 170 but have a slight gut. Not overweight but annoying bulgy. I can run all day and not get rid of it.

Posted by: auscolpyr at July 09, 2012 06:19 PM (BwDfs)

78 And I second the motion that 5'10" 180# for a male isn't even CLOSE to fat.
***
When I was in the best shape of my life - I could bike pretty much as long as I wanted to and I could lift a decent amount of weight I was about 5'11 and 190.

I'm not terribly far from that now, and I'd have to lose muscle to get down to said "ideal weight".

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2012 06:20 PM (AUeaU)

79 Oh, it's the bully boys. Well I'm broadcasting from beautiful Osage county Kansas. Or as I prefer to call it, The Shire. Lakes and small rivers and streams. Farm fields and rolling wooded hills. Wait. Did I say Kansas? I meant Indiana. That's where all you California folks want to move to.

Posted by: teej at July 09, 2012 06:20 PM (cDwCa)

80 I could also stand to lose a lot of weight. I have yet to try though.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 09, 2012 10:17 PM (jucos)

Posted by: Methos at July 09, 2012 06:20 PM (6LvlL)

Want people to get thinner? Introduce some predators. A few sabertooth tigers roaming the streets of everytown, USA and people would get thin in a hurry.

Maybe toss in some Pterodactyls, too.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2012 06:21 PM (AEE/Q)

82 45 And since genes and biology are involved, there's likely no magic diet or behavior bullet that will ever change this. *** However, obesity was extremely rare prior to the modern age. So the issue is not genes and it is not biology - we didn't evolve to get fat in the last 100 years or so. You are left with four possible reasons for modern obesity; 1) It is a disease of some sort 2) Calories goes up...and so does weight 3) Calories going out (in exercise) goes down and weight goes up 4) The type of diet we eat has changed and we metabolize it differently --------------- Likely a combination, but I'm leaning heavily towards 4. There's so much in the way of added starches and sugars in our food for flavorings and preservatives. Consumption of too much of those things can lead to an overproduction of insulin to metabolize it all, which then leads to more fat as insulin also aids in fat storage. I've read several doctors opinions that all the extra stuff in our food is leading people to become basically resistant to weight loss.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker for dagny at July 09, 2012 06:21 PM (qFpRI)

83 Low carb. That is all.

Posted by: toby928© at July 09, 2012 06:21 PM (QupBk)

84 Lower incidence of intestinal parasites?

Posted by: huerfano at July 09, 2012 10:16 PM (bAGA/)

Interesting. Are tapeworms really that bad for you?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 06:21 PM (4mGuz)

85 pickles I am glad that you have never had any problems or issues in your life and that you are a perfect human being and so therefore you are perfectly comfortable in throwing a lot of stones

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 06:21 PM (4z0IZ)

1) It is a disease of some sort
2) Calories goes up...and so does weight
3) Calories going out (in exercise) goes down and weight goes up
4) The type of diet we eat has changed and we metabolize it differently

Unlikely to be a disease - or virus that has just appeared.

We are a richer country now than 100 years ago, and the diet is a lot richer. More sweets, more meat. So I would guess that the caloric per capita intake has gone up.

We are a much more sedentary society now than 100 years ago. We were really just starting to mechanize. There was a tremendous amount of horse-drawn work done 100 years ago - and working horses is hard work. More people lived on farms - more hard work. And factory work was also much more physical. And life expectancies were shorter too.

Fer shure, diet has changed. I'm dubious is has that much to do with sugar versus "high fructose corn sugar" just by itself. But many people are compulsive, and eating can be a compulsive behavior to mitigate stress. I think a lot of the morbidly obese people you see have a compulsive eating disorder that makes them eat more than they should because they do it to mitigate stress. And it's not just eating, it's what they eat - pleasure foods, too much sugar, etc.

Smoking used to be one kind of compulsive behavior, and it suppressed the urge to eat, so a lot of smokers (compulsives) were thin, rather than fat. Now a lot of compulsive people are fat, because they eat too much.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 09, 2012 06:21 PM (sJTmU)

87 A "crime" that 95% of drivers engage in. Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2012 10:16 PM (AUeaU) As always with rules, they start out as a polite fiction, then drop the "polite." The real problem with speed and safety is speed differentials - people driving different speeds. There was a plan to set speed limits at around what most people drove on a road unmetered - to keep speeds consistent - but improved cars and power-mad politicians spoiled that. There are roads around here that have speed limits change 4-5 or more times in their length, with similar conditions, and ODDLY a lot of revenue is gained that way.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 06:22 PM (bxiXv)

88 Fat. I lost 25 pounds last year. How did I do it? I downloaded Loseit.com to my phone and kept honest track of what I ate. I weighed portion sizes. I didn't give up too much, chips, french fries, dessert. Didn't eat out a lot.

I weightlifted at CitywideSuperSlow in Chicago once a week for thirty minutes. It's really intense weightlifting.

I never ran, biked, treadmilled etc.

I do walk a lot. Maybe a mile to four a day.

it takes discipline. Once you get your body muscle mass up, your weight is easier to lose.

typical b fast for morons:
two strips of bacon, two eggs, two pieces of toast with one tablespoon of homemade jam, an apple.

packed my lunch and cooked dinner.

Posted by: Jeff at July 09, 2012 06:22 PM (EBPRt)

89 Fat is SEXY!!!

Posted by: Meggy MacNcheese at July 09, 2012 06:22 PM (GsBJY)

90 I agree the stuff I learned in my weight loss journey is that you need to eat your veggies I was shocked shocked to find that they do not consider fried okra a vegetable...

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 09, 2012 06:22 PM (sTQDb)

91 Want people to get thinner? Introduce some predators. A few sabertooth tigers roaming the streets of everytown,USAand people would get thin in a hurry.
Maybe toss in some Pterodactyls, too.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2012 10:21 PM (AEE/Q)

On. It.

Posted by: Bath Salts at July 09, 2012 06:22 PM (6LvlL)

92 When Mr Y-not had to lose weight a couple of years I was gobsmacked by the target weight the doctor gave him. IIRC it was something like 170lbs and he's 6' tall.

I wouldn't let him do it.

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 10:15 PM (5H6zj)

BMI is bullshit (I'm assuming that's where the 170 number came from). I'm 6' 185, and doc says I should be 175 or less. In my opinion, I should be 185, but ought to redistribute mass from the beerguttal region to other more needy areas in the form of muscle, and maintain or gain weight. I used to carry 205 when I was in good shape, so his recommendation carries zero influence with me.

Posted by: Bark Ofailure at July 09, 2012 06:23 PM (agXfn)

>>Stoutness and robustness is considered an asset for hard field work among the men and childbearing for the women. <<

This is the key: expectations. They do hard physical labor, but eat accordingly. If they dialed back the chow, boom. They'd lose weight. Thermodynamics, bitchez. They don't, because they don't see the need. Quite the contrary: they think they need to fuel up, and they're probably right.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 09, 2012 06:23 PM (gf8nI)

94 81 Cracked DOT COM: The Peer-Reviewed Scientific Journal of Fat Studies.

Posted by: pickles at July 09, 2012 10:20 PM (wUldG)

Apparently the links in the article to the relevant PubMed papers were beyond your abilities.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 09, 2012 06:23 PM (pAlYe)

95
   @ 62

    That IS way skinny. I'm 6'2" and have weighed 202-205 for years. And that is considered heavy by all the tables I've seen. Gotta call bullshit on that.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 09, 2012 06:23 PM (SAMxH)

96 I'm inclined to believe that, as a yoot, Keefums was a frequent target for wedgies and swirlies. And he deserved each and every one.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at July 09, 2012 06:23 PM (UyYYt)

97 @85 What would the bag limit on pterodactyls be?

Posted by: Secundus at July 09, 2012 06:23 PM (EHvdR)

98 typical b fast for morons:
one pound two of bacon, two eggs, two pieces of toast with one tablespoon of homemade jam, an apple.

FTFY!!!

Posted by: Meggy MacNcheese at July 09, 2012 06:23 PM (GsBJY)

99 And I second the motion that 5'10" 180# for a male isn't even CLOSE to fat.

If that is their avg weight yet they're saying 54% are overweight, I'm going to call bullshit.

****

When the BMI bullshit started taking off one of the fitness magazines pointed out that, according to the BMI scale, many of Hollywood's most fit leading men, including Tom Cruise, were considered obese. Only measuring weight versus height and age...even considering bone mass... does not tell the entire story. When I was in my 30s I wore a size 4-5 but weighed about 20 lbs more than my gal-friends who wore the same size. Muscle weighs more than fat.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 09, 2012 06:24 PM (piMMO)

100 Why are people fatter now than they used to be? Why weren't people always fat?

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 09, 2012 10:14 PM (SJCgJ)

------------->>>

I think the answer is that we have more food available to eat. There were fat people back in the old days, but they were generally wealthy. People used to be significantly shorter, too.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at July 09, 2012 06:24 PM (M0NzJ)

101

What would the bag limit on pterodactyls be?

One drake per day. Max. of three in posession.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2012 06:25 PM (AEE/Q)

102 BMI is bullshit (I'm assuming that's where the 170 number came from). I'm 6' 185, and doc says I should be 175 or less. In my opinion, I should be 185, but ought to redistribute mass ----- Yep, it's all how you carry it.

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:25 PM (5H6zj)

103 Combined with the lifestyle shift from agrarian to more urban / suburban modes and modern work involving hours of stasis, it should come as no surprise that we're fatter.
***
Honestly I agree it is a combination of 2-4 also - more food, less exercise, and too many carbs.

And not having to face hunger as a serious issue in our society is a positive thing. But I am concerned by the whole industry that seems to have cropped up to validate obesity.

I do not at all deny losing weight can be hard, that Hollywood sells ridiculous images of what people can realistically look like, and that food tastes damn good. But in the final analysis if you are overweight (yes baring some rare medical issues, at least for the young) you are making a choice to stay the way you are.

It is your choice to make, well until Obamacare comes into it, but don't pass it off as someone else's doing.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2012 06:25 PM (AUeaU)

104 Hmmmm..... This talk of diets remind me of something..... It's a Cook Book!!!!!

Posted by: Rod Serling at July 09, 2012 06:27 PM (pop1z)

105 I'm 5'11" 185 pounds, when I was running in college I was 165-170, but I was a stick and had little muscle outside my legs and my core. Taking a break from running and gaining a few pounds was actually good. After years of sports my legs were shot.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 09, 2012 06:27 PM (ZhEoC)

106 So according to that chart, if they would have started the Obamatax when I was eighteen I would have sunk around $25,000 into it over the last thirty years. I had some eye surgery a few years back and including that I haven't spent over 15,000 in medical care. Take away the flukey eye surgery and I wouldn't have spent over a few thousand dollars. And there's no way in hell you can but any medical insurance for a grand a year in this state.
This isn't about personal responsibility, flat out redistribution.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 09, 2012 06:27 PM (GZitp)

107 85
Want people to get thinner? Introduce some predators. A few sabertooth tigers roaming the streets of everytown,USAand people would get thin in a hurry.
Maybe toss in some Pterodactyls, too.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2012 10:21 PM (AEE/Q)

Shot and eaten within minutes of introduction outside of major urban centers. Why? Because how do they fry up? That's why.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 09, 2012 06:27 PM (agXfn)

108 ugh...forgot to take my sock off for awhile...sorry.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 09, 2012 06:28 PM (agXfn)

109

This thread needs links to topless Phoebe Cates.

...but every thread needs those.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2012 06:28 PM (AEE/Q)

110 "13 Holy crap! Are those eyebrows real? I've rarely seen eyebrows like those that weren't attached to fake glasses and a prosthetic nose. Posted by: epobirs" Look at a picture of Eugene Levy from the "American Pie" movies. Olbermann's high school picture looks just like him.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 09, 2012 06:28 PM (b/+PA)

111 #88

They account for a lot of the scary skinny people in third world places where food is in decent supply.

Anecdotal: Back in my computer store days, there was a customer who didn't come in for almost three months. Then one day he shows up and of us were stunned. He was pretty trim before but now was into serious concentration camp territory. Except for still having the same hair and beard.

Said it was a parasitic infestation that took a course of anti-biotics to kill off that were almost as bad as the parasites. A year later he looked a bit better but was still noticeably underweight. He got really fed up with people assuming he had AIDS. Especially when he was with his wife and kids.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 06:29 PM (kcfmt)

112 Those Epic Meal Time guys have been packing on the pounds. God love 'em.

Posted by: Sloe Joe Biden at July 09, 2012 06:29 PM (X/+QT)

113 @ 111

     Brined and deep fried.


      Tasty.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 09, 2012 06:29 PM (SAMxH)

114

>>You are left with four possible reasons for modern obesity;

1) It is a disease of some sort
2) Calories goes up...and so does weight
3) Calories going out (in exercise) goes down and weight goes up
4) The type of diet we eat has changed and we metabolize it differently<<

#1 is bullshit. 'Nuff said.

#2 and 3 are on target.

#4 is half on target, half off. We eat a much richer diet, but metabolize it in exactly the same way people 500 years ago would have metabolized it, had they had it. Evolution doesn't kick in on the decade timescale.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 09, 2012 06:30 PM (gf8nI)

115 yeah I think I am close to the weight i want to be but I need to lift weights in order to redistribute my existing weight into more appealing forms

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 06:30 PM (4z0IZ)

116 56 Veronique de Rugy has kind of a smart sexy librarian thing working for her, the French name helps also. She definitely sounds like an Ayn Rand heroine.

Posted by: rickl at July 09, 2012 06:30 PM (sdi6R)

117

Your weight is a matter of your willful intent. I weighed 265 pounds when I graduated high school. Lost it down to 175 pounds in three months. I am 59 years old and I weigh 180-185 pounds. Like I said, a matter of intent.

Posted by: maddogg at July 09, 2012 06:30 PM (nEUz4)

118 #108

Actually, Damon Knight wrote that one.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 06:30 PM (kcfmt)

119 >A "crime" that 95% of drivers engage in.

Fond memories I do have of living in a big city. Out here in the sticks speeding is not something a lot of people do. Today on the way home from work I found myself behind a guy going 40 on the state highway where the limit is 70. This is not uncommon. My only wish is that someone puts me out of my misery when I get too old and blind to drive half the speed limit.

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at July 09, 2012 06:31 PM (dBvlk)

120 87 Low carb. That is all. Posted by: toby928Â© at July 09, 2012 10:21 PM (QupBk) I'm low-carbing right now and the pounds are flying off. Not starving like I was on the "balanced diet" Weight Watchers thingy. As far as BMI, I'm no doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but I think it's a crock. The acceptable BMI for me and my aunt is exactly the same. We are the same height, but she's a lot larger framed than I am and so she can be a big heavier and not look bad. I'm small framed so every extra pound shows. So there's no way that's an accurate portrait for our very different bodies.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker for dagny at July 09, 2012 06:31 PM (qFpRI)

121 And not having to face hunger as a serious issue in our society is a positive thing. But I am concerned by the whole industry that seems to have cropped up to validate obesity. ------ What industry?

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:31 PM (5H6zj)

122 45 You are left with four possible reasons for modern obesity;

1) It is a disease of some sort
2) Calories goes up...and so does weight
3) Calories going out (in exercise) goes down and weight goes up
4) The type of diet we eat has changed and we metabolize it differently

Taubes would go with #4. He's described it as (paraphrasing) "we are in the midst of a multidecade experiment of eating predigested food."

The idea is that food that is highly refined and super-easy to digest makes your blood glucose spike, which causes insulin release. Fat cells respond to that by going into storage mode; they grab glucose out of the bloodstream and package it up, leading to more stored fat, and yet lethargy because your blood sugar was depleted by the process so you're tired and hungry. Of course you could fix that by eating again...

Posted by: Splunge at July 09, 2012 06:31 PM (2IW5Q)

123 S'up y'all, from a secret location somewhere near RDU airport. A couple years ago I tipped the scales at almost 280 lbs. I'm 6'0. Scared the shit outta me. Last year I made a concerted effort to get rid of the extra weight and made a couple significant changes. I stopped drinking soda and stopped drinking beer (that was no fun, I tell you what!). For one month I drank nothing but water and dropped about 35 pounds.

Then I hit a plateau and kicked in some daily exercise and continued with the water replacing soda and beer, and did the healthy shake for breakfast deal. Eventually got down to 204 at my lowest point, now back to about 220. Time to get back on that horse, goal is 195.

It took a lot of commitment to stick with it, but once I got started I weighed in on the scales every day and could see that I was losing about one pound per day. That was motivation enough to keep with it. Best wishes to those who are trying, it's difficult but YOU CAN DO IT!!!

Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 06:31 PM (/izg2)

124 @111 I don't know about saber-toothed cats, but pterodactyls would get eaten in LA

Posted by: Secundus at July 09, 2012 06:32 PM (EHvdR)

125 #114

I said rarely. And it's well known that Mrs. Levy watched a Marx Bros. marathon when she was gestating Eugene.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 06:33 PM (kcfmt)

126 Posted by: pickles at July 09, 2012 10:31 PM (wUldG) Do tell us what your scientific qualifications are.

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:34 PM (5H6zj)

127

Five minutes ago, I was reading "Eat. Stop. Eat." which outlines the health benefits of intermittent fasting. I was interested in this because I have done fairly long fasts in the past and have actually enjoyed them.

You never hear about fasting, even though it's a part of most religions, because there is no profit in promoting fasting as a way to lose weight (aside from the author of this book...) Every diet, nutritional supplement, etc that is sold for weight loss, financially benefits some company.

The beauty of intermittent fasting is that you can do a 24 hour fast twice a week and still eat everyday. You end your supper at 6:00 PM one day and then eat again at 6:00 PM the next day. If 24 hours is too much for you, there are still benefits to a 16 hour fast for men and 14 hours for women.

You can still eat your favourite foods because you're still restricting your overall calories throughout the week. And since you're not obsessing over meal preparations as people on regular diets do, you can usually get more done on fasting days.

Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at July 09, 2012 06:34 PM (8UijS)

128

>>Taubes would go with #4. He's described it as (paraphrasing) "we are in the midst of a multidecade experiment of eating predigested food."<<

Sounds like rubbish to me.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 09, 2012 06:35 PM (gf8nI)

129 The Amish diet is different than what I thought, and makes it less surprising that there may be some weight issues:

http://amishamerica.com/what-do-amish-eat/

"Whoopie pies, comprising two slabs of chocolate cake stuffed with sweet crÃ¨me, are popular as well, as are fry pies, a pocket of crust stuffed with pie filling. Some Amish operate bakeries which sell products to the public. Baking is a common occupation for Amish housewives."

Posted by: Splunge at July 09, 2012 06:35 PM (2IW5Q)

130 What industry?
***
We now have fat hustlers, just like we have race hustlers, and womyn hustlers, and all the rest of the sick lot.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2012 06:35 PM (AUeaU)

131

I live fairly near a large Amish settlement (Holmes County, Ohio) and have interacted a lot with the Amish over the years.

1) They eat a lot, and eat a lot of rich foods. Meats, cheeses, pastry (pies), potatoes.

2) They are generally not thin. They all carry a good amount of muscle mass, so they are not fat. They live as most Americans used to live about 150 years ago

3) They also come from a rather limited gene pool. I would bet their genetic predisposition to weight gain is constant across most of their group. And overall as a community, their diet is very consistent.

4) So what I would guess is they have intuitively adjusted their diet to meet their physical needs and their gene types, and they have a stable society, where sloth and self-indulgence and compulsive behavior is somewhat frowned upon, and hard work is a virtue.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 09, 2012 06:35 PM (sJTmU)

132 Seems to me there are more "thin" hustlers than fat hustlers.

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:36 PM (5H6zj)

133 I have a secret diet I use to keep my weight down: Get ready......here it comes.........I go hungry a lot. Really hungry. There ya go. Yer welcome.

Posted by: maddogg at July 09, 2012 06:36 PM (nEUz4)

134 pickles I'm glad you, the perfect human being, is here to tell us if someone is being pathetic or not shouldn't you be raising the dead or walking on water or something?

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 06:36 PM (4z0IZ)

135 The normal state of mankind throughout history has been one of starvation, or at least malnourishment. We are biologically programmed to grab all the calories we can get.

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 09, 2012 06:36 PM (XYqoq)

136 By the time everyone is there sixties to seventies we all look pretty much the same, all the exercise and diet doesn't mean shit then. As long as you're, as someone else pointed out, active throughout the day, our bodies last long enough for most of us.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 09, 2012 06:36 PM (GZitp)

137 I am waiting for the first "diet based" suicide bombing.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 06:36 PM (bxiXv)

138 18-1 So are you one of those folks who would come up on me and ride my ass on a two lane highway because I'm only doing the 65 mph speed limit? And stay there and ride my ass in deer infested country trying to find a place to pass cause you just have to do 70-75 cause it will save you so much time. Even though 4 lane and 70 mph is only another 5 or 6 miles up the road? Don't tell me how fucking safe people who think they're above the speed limit laws are. Barky boy thinks he's above the law too.

Posted by: teej at July 09, 2012 06:37 PM (ZhNCB)

139 Your weight is a matter of your willful intent. I weighed 265 pounds when I graduated high school. Lost it down to 175 pounds in three months. I am 59 years old and I weigh 180-185 pounds. Like I said, a matter of intent.

Posted by: maddogg at July 09, 2012 10:30 PM (nEUz4)

Um no. Weight loss at 18 is vastly differently from say weight loss at age 40. If you've never lost 20+ lbs after the age of 30, you really don't have any experience with losing weight as an adult.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 09, 2012 06:37 PM (pAlYe)

140 126 @111
I don't know about saber-toothed cats, but pterodactyls would get eaten in LA

Posted by: Secundus at July 09, 2012 10:32 PM (EHvdR)

Ultimately, they're just big chickens, so they have no chance in Louisana, Los Angeles, or Lower Alabama (you didn't specify which LA, but it doesn't really change the outcome, though the Los Angeles Pterodactyl cockfights could be pretty epic if you're into that).

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 09, 2012 06:37 PM (agXfn)

141 Are there no prisons? And the Union workhouses? Are they still in operation? The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?

Oh! I was afraid, from what the Ewok said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course. I'm very glad to hear it.

Posted by: president o'bumbles at July 09, 2012 06:38 PM (nrW1y)

142 130
>>Taubes would go with #4. He's described it as (paraphrasing) "we are in the midst of a multidecade experiment of eating predigested food."<<

Sounds like rubbish to me.

Well, I suggest reading the book, rather than just the teensy summary I attempted. Surprisingly little of the sequence I described is at all controversial, scientifically. You'll see. If you're game for the full challenge, I suggest the more thorough of his books, the earlier one.

Posted by: Splunge at July 09, 2012 06:38 PM (2IW5Q)

143 Yon Barry has a lean and hungry look.

Posted by: toby928© at July 09, 2012 06:38 PM (QupBk)

144 You know who should be driven from the air? That Dr. Oz asshole. He's dangerous.

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:38 PM (5H6zj)

145 NC Ref I hear you brother Keep up the good work

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 06:39 PM (4z0IZ)

146 Um no. Weight loss at 18 is vastly differently from say weight loss at age 40. If you've never lost 20+ lbs after the age of 30, you really don't have any experience with losing weight as an adult.

Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at July 09, 2012 10:37 PM (pAlYe)<<<<<

Well, I dropped 25 pounds at age 58, does that count?

Posted by: maddogg at July 09, 2012 06:39 PM (nEUz4)

147

Here's a simple prescription for losing weight: eat less, exercise more - and harder.

Want to lose a pound a day? Easy. Nothing to it. Spend 40 minutes a day in the outfield, sprinting hard after fly balls. I went from 180 to 175 lbs. in a week (at 6'1", so I didn't have a lot of blubber to lose), and I wasn't even trying to lose weight (furthest thing from my mind), just needed to get in some practice before a tournament.

I was amazed.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 09, 2012 06:39 PM (gf8nI)

148 147 You know who should be driven from the air? That Dr. Oz asshole. He's dangerous. Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 10:38 PM (5H6zj) Yeah, who is that guy? My mom and my best friend are both always talking about something or other he said and I haven't the first clue who he is to begin with.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker for dagny at July 09, 2012 06:40 PM (qFpRI)

149 Me? I started walking almost everywhere, to the grocery store, post office, etc. Carry the groceries home. Believe me, take away the automobile and all of a sudden you get real efficient as you shop. Fewer items, more trips. I never buy sodas or other heavy, sugar laden beverages. If I want a drink I go to a bar.
Then, I never eat anything after about 6pm.
Do that and you will lose weight.

Posted by: navybrat at July 09, 2012 06:40 PM (JG/Pz)

150 Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius. Prove differently, beeyotches.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica Sanitation Department at July 09, 2012 06:41 PM (x8wJs)

151 136 I have a secret diet I use to keep my weight down: Get ready......here it comes.........I go hungry a lot. ---- OMG, maddogg is Dr. Andrew Chung! http://tinyurl.com/73djmr6

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:41 PM (5H6zj)

152 Seems to me there are more "thin" hustlers than fat hustlers.
***
They certainly both exist, though work in radically different ways.

Hollywood, and even more so the fashion industry, sell ridiculous images of beauty - if you are a 6 ft 120 lb woman you are not an ideal, you aren't even attractive. This encourages some women to descend into anorexia and the like.

On the other hand, people who argue that being 5 ft 240 lbs is just your genetics, and you go girl!, and not a result of choices you made (again baring unusual medical conditions) are doing just as great a disservice.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2012 06:41 PM (AUeaU)

153 I am going on record here...

Shelley Berkley actually beats Granny Botox McRictus in the "face stretching" department.

I know, I know, I never would have thought it either....

Posted by: Courtesy Flush at July 09, 2012 06:41 PM (sw9Gv)

154 Cracked DOT COM: The Peer-Reviewed Scientific Journal of Fat Studies. Posted by: pickles at July 09, 2012 10:20 PM (wUldG) Apparently the links in the article to the relevant PubMed papers were beyond your abilities. Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at July 09, 2012 10:23 PM (pAlYe) I trust Cracked more then I trust most "peer-reviewed" social science/life science journals...

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 09, 2012 06:41 PM (XYqoq)

155 Um no. Weight loss at 18 is vastly differently from say weight loss at age 40. If you've never lost 20+ lbs after the age of 30, you really don't have any experience with losing weight as an adult.
Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at July 09, 2012 10:37 PM (pAlYe)<<<<<Well, I dropped 25 pounds at age 58, does that count?

Posted by: maddogg at July 09, 2012 10:39 PM (nEUz4)

Not to put a jinx on you but let's see how you're doing in another 2-3 years. It's the maintaining part that's the killer.

Posted by: Mætenloch at July 09, 2012 06:41 PM (pAlYe)

156 "1) It is a disease of some sort 2) Calories goes up...and so does weight 3) Calories going out (in exercise) goes down and weight goes up 4) The type of diet we eat has changed and we metabolize it differently Posted by: 18-1" I was raised in the fifties and sixties. Our eating habits are completely different today. We eat MUCH larger servings, and we do a lot more snacking of high calorie food. When I was growing up soda pop was something you had as a special treat, maybe on the weekend. You always had dessert, but it was a limited serving, and no way would a mother allow a child to have more than 2 small cookies. Ice cream servings, everything like that was much smaller. Half pound hamburgers were unheard of. We had whole milk, bread, butter, cheese, desserts, red meat, and very few kids were over-weight. I attended an elementary school with 200 -250 kids. There was one fat kid in the whole school.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 09, 2012 06:42 PM (b/+PA)

157 Do you drink anything?

Posted by: Obama's Gestapo at July 09, 2012 10:36 PM (cjTjM)

Non-calorie drinks during the fast. Coffee, tea, water.

Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at July 09, 2012 06:42 PM (8UijS)

158 Mrs928 is convinced that avoiding white food is the key to thinness. No sugar, white bread, rice, milk or Irish potatoes.

Posted by: toby928© at July 09, 2012 06:42 PM (QupBk)

159 Yeah, who is that guy? My mom and my best friend are both always talking about something or other he said ---- Every time I catch five minutes of his show I am appalled. He always speaks with TREMENDOUS AUTHORITY about a wide range of subjects and the women in his audience eat it up. He seems like a cult leader to me.

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:43 PM (5H6zj)

160

Dr. Oz an asshole?

Well, he is of Iranian extraction. Maybe he's a health and bad advice terrorist.

Problem: Too much TV (my wife obesses about Dr. Phil, that big lying schmuck). Answer: Blow up your TV. Blow it up real good.

PS. That's Dr. Phil that's a schmuck; my wife is not a big lying schmuck.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 09, 2012 06:44 PM (sJTmU)

161 BMI is bullshit (I'm assuming that's where the 170 number came from). My last barracks roommate way back in '91 was ALWAYS in trouble for being overweight by the BMI that the Army had recently adopted......... until they sent him off to Arizona on the gov't dime to train for the US Olympic team trials because he was ranked #10 in the nation for the hammer throw. Checking in from Pyongyang-with-palm-trees, otherwise known as Santa Barbara. 'sup jackwagons.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 09, 2012 06:44 PM (Rhie+)

162 Yeah, who is that guy? My mom and my best friend are both always talking about something or other he said and I haven't the first clue who he is to begin with.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker for dagny at July 09, 2012 10:40 PM (qFpRI)

You must have a daytime job that keeps you away from the tv in the early afternoon.

Posted by: buzzion at July 09, 2012 06:45 PM (GULKT)

163 It took a lot of commitment to stick with it, but once I got started I weighed in on the scales every day and could see that I was losing about one pound per day. That was motivation enough to keep with it. Best wishes to those who are trying, it's difficult but YOU CAN DO IT!!! Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 10:31 PM (/izg2) -------------------------------------------- I need to start. I just came off of a cruise and I gained a shit load of weight. 272 and 6"3'. I would like to lose a couple of pounds per week until I hit 200 in March or April. I will see how I feel then to decide if I need to lose more. No/low carb. No beer or soda. No processed foods. I need to do it because I am starting to feel like I look. Like shit.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 09, 2012 06:45 PM (jucos)

164 NC Ref I hear you brother

Keep up the good work

Thanks CJ! Right back at ya! And a combination of lifting and cardio will help you get to where you want to be. Just lifting will build muscle but won't do anything to burn the ~~beer~~ fat cells we're holding in our bellies.

Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 06:45 PM (/izg2)

165 I used to like Keith Olbermann back when he played "Bert" on Sesame Street.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 09, 2012 06:45 PM (61yvg)

166 Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 10:43 PM (5H6zj) Is he an actual doctor, and if so of what? Is it health issues he talks about. Is he like that Dr. Phil guy who plays a psychologist on his Maury-like show but opines on everything else under the sun?

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker for dagny at July 09, 2012 06:45 PM (qFpRI)

167 Shelley Berkley actually beats Granny Botox McRictus in the "face stretching" department. I know, I know, I never would have thought it either.... Posted by: Courtesy Flush at July 09, 2012 10:41 PM (sw9Gv) Please, Shelley Berkley is an Auton. Compare: http://tinyurl.com/6pvzqda and http://tinyurl.com/7377yau

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 09, 2012 06:45 PM (XYqoq)

168 also successful means to achieve weight loss can be totally different for different people. I really discovered that

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 06:45 PM (4z0IZ)

169 I really like those two Mozzarell-A! midgets. Sorry princess.

They make-a me hungry.

Posted by: Itsa me, Mario at July 09, 2012 06:46 PM (zThit)

170 If I had been a bit chubbier, maybe I'd have survived my ice fall?

Posted by: zombie robert atkins at July 09, 2012 06:46 PM (nrW1y)

171 Not to put a jinx on you but let's see how you're doing in another 2-3 years. It's the maintaining part that's the killer.

Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at July 09, 2012 10:41 PM (pAlYe)<<<<<

No problem. I've done it numerous times. Weight starts creeping up, I starve it off. It creeps up, I starve it off. Worked for 40 years so far.

Posted by: maddogg at July 09, 2012 06:46 PM (nEUz4)

172 166 Yeah, who is that guy? My mom and my best friend are both always talking about something or other he said and I haven't the first clue who he is to begin with. Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker for dagny at July 09, 2012 10:40 PM (qFpRI) You must have a daytime job that keeps you away from the tv in the early afternoon. Posted by: buzzion at July 09, 2012 10:45 PM (GULKT) I'm a homeschooling mom, so I'm not away during the day. But we don't watch a lot of tv, so I'm often out of touch with the pop culture stuff.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker for dagny at July 09, 2012 06:47 PM (qFpRI)

173 18-1 So are you one of those folks who would come up on me and ride my ass on a two lane highway because I'm only doing the 65 mph speed limit?

Wow, so touchy. I guess your Prius hypermiling is more important to you then the people behind you. :-p

You know, people should treat other people in a rational and fair manner.

If you can get over safely to let someone pass, it is the right thing to do. And your Obama '12 bumpersticker doesn't make it ok that you don't.

If the person ahead of you is doing 65 in a 55 and can't get over you drive behind said person at a safe distance and wait.

This is how driving is supposed to be done.

And again, how do you justify a "law" that the majority breaks daily? Either the police should be hauling the 95% of the productive class to prison immediately to break our nefarious ways, as we are endangering everyone else apparently, or the laws should actually be used to encourage safe driving, not revenue enhancement.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2012 06:47 PM (AUeaU)

174 ...I go hungry a lot.

The key for me is to deprive yourself until you stop feeling hungry and then eat small servings. Exercise helps but isn't mandatory, ditto on doing away with carbs. A typical diet meal for me is to prepare half a hot dog. Cut that into thirds and give two of them to the dog.

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at July 09, 2012 06:48 PM (dBvlk)

175 Eat Paleo. Stick to what you are supposed to eat avoid the crap foods and you lose the weight and keep it off. i've kept off over 20 lbs for more than a year at the age of 44. Looking to up my exercise and drop another 5 lbs to get down to 12% BF or somewhere around there. Honestly, it isn't difficult. I'm not hungry and I don't count calories. http://www.archevore.com/get-started/ The main less is this: forget all the advice from the government. Forget the advice of the past 30 years. Eat whole, natural foods and avoid grains, sugar and anything that comes out of a box or out of a chemistry factory.

Posted by: AlanH at July 09, 2012 06:48 PM (vduIg)

176 Despite this opinion not mattering much to anybody but myself, but having a wide variety of plentiful food, regardless of geographical location, is a "good" problem to have. Base-line starvation has been the norm for most of recorded human history and if the greenies ever take full control, we'll go right back to where we started. Speaking of decline, here's what Putie-Put had to say about the West: Russia's Putin says the West is on the decline http://tinyurl.com/7av2ldd He may be right, but Russia ain't doing so well herself these days. But if O gets reelected, it'll be a close race to the bottom between us and them.

Posted by: Kratos at July 09, 2012 06:48 PM (c1WVm)

177 @169 His bio says cardiothoracic surgeon. But he opines on stuff well outside his area of expertise and when I've caught him he seems to be a real magic bullet kind of guy. Always some sort of fruity alternative medicine/herbalist crap.

Posted by: Y-not at July 09, 2012 06:49 PM (5H6zj)

178 NC Ref I agree weight lifting will help to burn fat but only if you are close to your weight loss goal to begin with. But if you are far away then weight lifting won't really help to burn fat

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 06:50 PM (4z0IZ)

179 Orqwith, asshole!

Posted by: Grant Morrison at July 09, 2012 06:50 PM (SJCgJ)

180 Evening all, To lose weight, you burn more calories than you consume. It's simple, but oh so hard with all the temptations out there. Eating at home, preparing your own meals is the best way to manage it IMHO. But it's still hard. My hat is off to anyone who is working at losing weight. (Pickles can go FOAD) And for some extra sunshine, we just got back to the hotel after taking our car to Big 10 to repair all four brake pads, which melted onto the brakes. By the Grace of God, we were not in an accident, or had a fire. Nothing like $700 car repairs when you are out of town. A huge thanks to the Birmingham Big 10. You guys are awesome.

Posted by: moki at July 09, 2012 06:51 PM (9dRZR)

181 We had whole milk, bread, butter, cheese, desserts, red meat, and very few kids were over-weight. I attended an elementary school with 200 -250 kids. There was one fat kid in the whole school.
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I've certainly noticed the amazing jump in obesity since my time in school. And that is the scary thing - if obesity was tied to the fact we live longer, well that's a damn fair trade.

But I see so many kids nowadays that can't even enjoy the normal things kids are supposed to because they are obese at 14. Not chunky, not stocky, but carrying enough wait they can't run or jump or climb...

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2012 06:51 PM (AUeaU)

182 NC Ref -- you there?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 06:51 PM (kaalw)

183 My last barracks roommate way back in '91 was ALWAYS in trouble for being overweight by the BMI that the Army had recently adopted......... until they sent him off to Arizona on the gov't dime to train for the US Olympic team trials because he was ranked #10 in the nation for the hammer throw.

Checking in from Pyongyang-with-palm-trees, otherwise known as Santa Barbara.

'sup jackwagons.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 09, 2012 10:44 PM (Rhie+)

Amen. My first job after college was working in an OR, so all the latest dietary "science" was a constant topic among the docs and nurses. We all took the test one day, and it did identify the fat people as fat (a fairly easy accomplishment, you could have just asked them and gotten the same result), but I found out I was obese, which came as a shock. Back in those days, I was a trim 205, and significantly more fit than today, but according to BMI, I'm better off today, despite poor CV conditioning and higher body fat level.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 09, 2012 06:51 PM (agXfn)

184 Jeff, Your weight loss regimen is very similar to Weight Watchers.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 09, 2012 06:52 PM (b/+PA)

185 shouldn't you be raising the dead or walking on water or something? Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 10:36 PM (4z0IZ) Fuck that, if I gotta pick a miracle, I'm thinking "water to wine".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 09, 2012 06:52 PM (Rhie+)

186 Truck Monkey I was right there not long ago. Start by just cutting out the beer and soda, you'll be amazed by the results, I sure was! That'll give you the motivation to add exercise and start tinkering with your diet. But if you try to do everything at once it can get frustrating because it's no fun at all.

Even when I was managing my diet daily, I'd give myself one or two days a week to get hammered and eat a burger or steak and go off the managed diet. Then it was easy to go back to the maddog theory of starving yourself to get back on track! That worked for me too, though doctors and Jenny Craig probably frown on it.

Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 06:53 PM (/izg2)

187 moki how are you doing ? how is your daughter?

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 06:53 PM (4z0IZ)

188 For some reason, the state thinks it can clean up by levying unreasonable fines and penalties on people who break the law or even commit an infraction. In Calif, for each $10 of fine they impose, it's over $27 in a fee. So, a $100 fine is really $370 plus.

Posted by: Redd at July 09, 2012 06:53 PM (suLy7)

189 G'evening cthulhu. What's up?

Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 06:54 PM (/izg2)

190 Good evening. My mellow is gettin' harshed. I'm losing weight and now I got this saying it's for nothin'. Boooooooo!!!! I'm gonna have some fat liposuctioned, put in a little baggy and set on fire outside of that writer's door.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 06:55 PM (HWUv9)

191 So, is pickles raykon the hutt?

Posted by: toby928© at July 09, 2012 06:55 PM (QupBk)

192 Sorry Maet I think you're stretching a little far on this diet thing. Assuming Cracked actually interpreted the data right, which is a big damn if, you went even further and started talking about genes and biology. Those are all well and good as ifs of their own, but as definitive conclusions, they are at best unsupported.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at July 09, 2012 06:55 PM (csi6Y)

193 From personal experience I can say that you have to keep track of your weight and calories. You can't just wing it -- do that and it starts creeping back up (both how much you eat and how much you weigh).

Borrow a concept from AA: one day at a time. If you overeat Tuesday that doesn't mean you've "fallen off the wagon." Just try to eat properly on Wednesday. And so on.

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 09, 2012 06:55 PM (SJCgJ)

194 Fines?!? Court dates?!? Fees?!? Jail time?!? More fees?!?

I don't ask for any special treatment, just treat me like I'm an illegal immigrant...

Posted by: Ms. Gina Ray, screwed by da man at July 09, 2012 06:55 PM (c98sL)

195 And another dieting trick I would use is to watch tv shows like Triple D and eat vicariously through my tv, dreaming of the days when I could treat myself to something special.

Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 06:55 PM (/izg2)

196 According to Greta on FoxNews they held a Million Man Big Gulp protest in New York City.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 09, 2012 06:55 PM (b/+PA)

197 85 Those sabre tooths would last maybe a day here in UA (Upper Alabama). Pteratactyls, not much longer, until the waterfowlers and upland birder got the gauge/choke/shell size/shot question calibrated.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 09, 2012 06:56 PM (RJOgX)

198 pickles can't be raykon, it is far too coherent for that honor

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 06:56 PM (4z0IZ)

199 So, NC Ref, I've got an email addy, set up for the express purpose of the BH's trip to NC. I'd like to open and close the window somewhat quickly, so as to avoid random spam & such.....would you be in a position to send it an email shortly?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 06:57 PM (kaalw)

200 I agree weight lifting will help to burn fat but only if you are close to your weight loss goal to begin with. But if you are far away then weight lifting won't really help to burn fat Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 10:50 PM (4z0IZ) A buddy of mine explained that it's hot you do it. Light weight, lots of reps and make sure to get some protein right after or you won't build any muscle mass. Smart guy, I trust him. Not that I've put this into practice yet so this is just a "my buddy says" opinion.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 06:57 PM (HWUv9)

201 Also, I don't know if this is part of the push that some conservatives are making against liberal nanny stater diet stuff. Yes, we should all be free to eat unhealthily, and so should the many Americans who are unhealthily overweight, but... when it comes down to it, being overweight really sucks for your health.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at July 09, 2012 06:57 PM (csi6Y)

202 Hey Chemjeff!!! We are in B'ham for her surgery. They have to completely reconstruct her kidneys/ureters, and right now she feels horrible. We are hoping she doesn't have a current infection, because that will delay the operation. Thanks for thinking of us-we could really use it! How are you doing? Are you teaching summer school, or taking some time off?

Posted by: moki at July 09, 2012 06:58 PM (9dRZR)

203 Pterodactyl colonies would make a nice complement to the parrot colonies in Southern CA.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 06:58 PM (kcfmt)

204

'Night, morons. I've enjoyed it as always, but it's time to get some sleep. I lost an entire day to travel BS, so it needs to be made up with a bright and way-GD early wakeup.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 09, 2012 06:59 PM (agXfn)

205 Pickles? Pickles is the drummer.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 06:59 PM (kcfmt)

206

Just practicing portion control has worked for me to lose weight. That and an active lifestyle. I still lift to retain muscle mass and stay limber.

One drawback to lifting, if you start, you are trapped into it for life. Cease to lift and any definition disappears in a short time.

I still do most everything I used to, albeit somewhat slower now. Maybe some day I WILL get old.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 09, 2012 07:00 PM (SAMxH)

207 A buddy of mine explained that it's hot you do it. Light weight, lots of reps and make sure to get some protein right after or you won't build any muscle mass. Smart guy, I trust him. Not that I've put this into practice yet so this is just a "my buddy says" opinion. Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 10:57 PM (HWUv9) Heavy weight, low reps and protein right after will build you muscle mass. I know this from personal experience. I don't know about weightlifting to lose weight, though. What I DO know is that Crossfit will make you lose a hell of a lot of weight.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at July 09, 2012 07:00 PM (csi6Y)

208 I did a paper on Joan Miro for a surrealist art elective.

I dunno about that fat thing. In 1995 I was over 300lb, now I'm around 225, and I've been within 10-15lb of that +/- since 1997.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 07:00 PM (EBo1Z)

209 G'evening cthulhu. What's up? Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 10:54 PM (/izg2) Okay, there's something disconcerting about a mere human having that kind of familiarity with one of the Great Old Ones.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 09, 2012 07:00 PM (Rhie+)

210 Once again, "science" is wrong. Keeping weight off is easy if you are following a low carb diet, because your blood sugar is regulated so you don't have cravings.

I cheat and I still have kept off 15 pounds for five years.

And there is low carb beer! Just google it.

Posted by: PJ at July 09, 2012 07:01 PM (DQHjw)

211 when it comes down to it, being overweight really sucks for your health.
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If being free means anything, it means being able to make the "wrong" choice, and even, if it is a personal choice, the wrong choice minus the air quotes.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2012 07:01 PM (AUeaU)

212 213
G'evening cthulhu. What's up?
Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 10:54 PM (/izg2)

Okay, there's something disconcerting about a mere human having that kind of familiarity with one of the Great Old Ones.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 09, 2012 11:00 PM (Rhie+)

NC Ref is Eric Cartman?

Posted by: buzzion at July 09, 2012 07:01 PM (GULKT)

213 And here I was given to understand that you alternate the "light weights, lots of reps" and "heavy weights, low reps" in order to convince your bod you really need muscle.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 07:02 PM (kaalw)

214 Drudge is all black & white now. Did S. Weasel buy him out?

Posted by: rickl at July 09, 2012 07:02 PM (sdi6R)

215

for my situation the order of importance is carbs ( sugary drinks, breads, beer then calories, and making sure to exercise every day, I try to walk at least 4 miles a day. 57 yrs old, lost 30-some pounds in about 4 months, then backslid for a couple weeks. Count the calories and expend the exercise to account for them. Ride a bike ( I ride for 30 minutes every other day in a cemetary with some hilly roads ) walk to the store a mile away to pick up one thing. Walk to get a v8 juice for lunch.

The backsliding comes about because of the hunger :-)

Posted by: Kala Bon at July 09, 2012 07:02 PM (ysWJ9)

216 @198 Wait till you get aload of the organ banks.

Posted by: Some Organlegger in the hills of Kentucky at July 09, 2012 07:02 PM (HiKk0)

217 If the government got completely out of health care the bitching about the expense of people's bad habits would lose its value.

The nice thing about a private charity is they have the option of telling those they deem unworthy of help to take a hike. The exercise will do them good.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 07:02 PM (kcfmt)

218 I lost 50 lbs on the lots of water and starve yourself diet. I've kept the weight off by running a lot. About 4 years since I lost it and still doing good, hope I'm one of the .2%!

Posted by: mugiwara at July 09, 2012 07:02 PM (KI/Ch)

219 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 09, 2012 11:00 PM (Rhie+) I did...once. Damn Yankees!

Posted by: Ezekiel Pregzt,/Elijah Pickford at July 09, 2012 07:03 PM (c1WVm)

220 I remember going to a Night Hawk steakhouse outside of Austin in about 1984. They had their own special brand of steak BUTTER you could slather all over your ribeye. Nowadays those people would have been imprisoned if they were in NYC.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 07:03 PM (4qsb0)

221 doodly doo ding dong doodly doo

Posted by: Nathan Explosion at July 09, 2012 07:03 PM (c98sL)

222 moki well of course us morons gotta stick together no summer school just a bit of traveling hope your daughter gets well very soon

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 07:03 PM (4z0IZ)

223 Heavy weight, low reps and protein right after will build you muscle mass. I know this from personal experience. I don't know about weightlifting to lose weight, though. What I DO know is that Crossfit will make you lose a hell of a lot of weight. Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at July 09, 2012 11:00 PM (csi6Y) What about attaching weights to the ole pecker, will that do anything?

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 07:04 PM (HWUv9)

224 As to vague location, I'm in the fucking belly of the liberal beast. Massachusetts, where they think that because it's called a "Commonwealth" everyone's wealth should be held in common.

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 09, 2012 07:04 PM (SJCgJ)

225 Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 11:02 PM (kaalw) Ask any bodybuilder or powerlifter, the only way you build muscle mass and strength is high weight, low reps. (i.e. 10-12 or under per set) Girls especially don't lift well. Most of them I see at the gym are pumping 2.5 lb dumbells for 30 or more times. That doesn't really do anything.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at July 09, 2012 07:04 PM (csi6Y)

226 Just practicing portion control has worked for me to lose weight.

I counted calories religiously, writing everything down on paper, every day during my 9 month "big loss" phase. I still maintain a rough mental count every day and try to stay in the 1,200-1,600 range unless I'm doing a lot of hard physical labor that day.

As it is, I'm less than I was in high school, and I want to take it down around 200 over the summer.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 07:05 PM (EBo1Z)

227 Time to checkout and read a little before turning out the lights. Got "Crash Gordon" for free from Amazon and it seems pretty good so far.

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at July 09, 2012 07:05 PM (dBvlk)

228 What about attaching weights to the ole pecker, will that do anything? It will make you walk funny.

Posted by: toby928© at July 09, 2012 07:05 PM (QupBk)

229

Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 10:57 PM (kaalw)

Sure. I'm ready now or can be later this week too. Next week we start back with two-a-days again which will kick my ass I'm sure, so I'll be sleeping early and often, but it'll be great timing for me to give up my beer habit again for a while.

Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 07:06 PM (/izg2)

230 Actually I'm driving a full sized explorer Jack ass and if you think I'd have a bambi sticker you don't read this blog much. And I'm doing 65 in a 65. If that's making someone behind me get to the 4 lane, where they can easily get around me, 30 seconds longer fuck them. One of you "safe speeders" totaled my previous explorer just before Christmas and damned near killed me in the process so yeah, I'm a bit fucking touchy about it.

Posted by: teej at July 09, 2012 07:06 PM (85x54)

231 What about attaching weights to the ole pecker, will that do anything? Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 11:04 PM (HWUv9) I hope so, otherwise the last few years have been for nothing

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at July 09, 2012 07:06 PM (csi6Y)

232 Trimegistus: east or west MA?

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 09, 2012 07:06 PM (sTQDb)

233 'Night, all.

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 09, 2012 07:06 PM (SJCgJ)

234

229

Doesn't low weight - high reps build definition?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 07:06 PM (4qsb0)

235 two out of 1,000 Weight Watchers customers actually maintain large weight losses permanently. Which speaks only to Weight Watchers and the calories-in=calories-out fallacy.

Posted by: t-bird at July 09, 2012 07:07 PM (FcR7P)

236 What about attaching weights to the ole pecker, will that do anything? oh it will do something alright just probably not what you had in mind

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 07:07 PM (4z0IZ)

237 Okey-dokey. So the NC addy would be caquiltergirl@gmail.com -- the BH set it up.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 07:07 PM (kaalw)

238 NC Ref is Eric Cartman?

Goddammit I'm not fat I'm big-boned!!!

Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 07:07 PM (/izg2)

239 What about attaching weights to the ole pecker, will that do anything? Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 11:04 PM

Other than moving like an imperial walker from starwars nothing comes to mind.

Posted by: Berserker at July 09, 2012 07:08 PM (FMbng)

240 Chicks dig a guy with steel weights hanging from his johnson. Really.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 07:08 PM (EBo1Z)

241 Why are we fatter today than 100 years ago?

1) Greater variety of diet choices means more stuff that our bodies aren't adapted to eat.

2) Increasingly sedentary lifestyles mean that people are less physically developed. Walking or riding horses everywhere, working a farm, and the general day labors that most people went through would have put muscle onto people which helped keep people thin, or at the very least gave them enough muscle underneath the fat that it didn't matter.

3) Parasites have gone away. Diseases that killed off much of the unhealthy population are no longer a threat.

4) Perception changes. What we consider overweight nowadays would have been considered normal in past times, and even a sign of being healthy (since you weren't starving). As a result, we perceive more fat people today.

Posted by: Alex at July 09, 2012 07:09 PM (79B50)

242 Go for it, Pickles. This is fun. I'm looking for some no-butter, nonfat popcorn. BRB.

150 years ago, most people constantly picked on themselves about whether their souls were pure enough. And there was no LIFE magazine, or movie industry. AFAIC all this diet talk is crass materialism of the communist variety. They put up a hoop, and we are jumping through.

Posted by: comatus at July 09, 2012 07:10 PM (ZOlM3)

243 247th! fify

Posted by: honey Badger #5 at July 09, 2012 07:10 PM (RQjPS)

244 Lansdale, PA representin'. Whatever the hell that means.

Posted by: joncelli at July 09, 2012 07:11 PM (CWlPF)

245 CHART OF THE DAY: The US Household Balance Sheet Hasn't Been This Strong In 10 Years http://is.gd/pN9APQ People are deleveraging.

Posted by: toby928© at July 09, 2012 07:11 PM (QupBk)

246 Girls especially don't lift well.

Good Lord man, use the handles!

Posted by: comatus at July 09, 2012 07:12 PM (ZOlM3)

247 People are deleveraging.

I'm decomposing.

Posted by: zombie Mozart at July 09, 2012 07:12 PM (1Phwr)

248 Parasites have gone away.

A long time ago, some "diet pills" actually contained a tape worm larva. I suppose they worked.

Back in the 60's, doctors used to have huge jars full of diet pills they'd hand out...they were basically Bennies and Dexies. They worked too.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 07:13 PM (EBo1Z)

249 where they can easily get around me, 30 seconds longer fuck them.
***
I think it is obvious that your problem is indeed your problem.

Liberals think of other people, when they are of immediate use to them, and say "fuck them".

Conservatives think of others as independent people who should be treated with a certain level of decorum.

I would no more intentionally block someone in a car on the road then I would on foot on the sidewalk. Why would you?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2012 07:13 PM (AUeaU)

250 as if almost sentient, Yahoo just posted this: http://health.yahoo.net/articles/nutrition/photos/8-surprising-heart-healthy-foods#0 (yeah, I know....Yahoo)

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 09, 2012 07:13 PM (sTQDb)

251 Barack Obama golfs away his Residency in, Try Hard

Posted by: Unprecedented Entertainment Presents at July 09, 2012 07:13 PM (FcR7P)

252 People are deleveraging.

The masses finally figured out that being in debt sucks.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 09, 2012 07:13 PM (xKC/c)

253 That should read

Liberals think of other people, when they are *not* of immediate use to them, and say "fuck them".

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2012 07:14 PM (AUeaU)

254 Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 11:13 PM (EBo1Z) It was also socially acceptable to smoke back then.

Posted by: Kratos at July 09, 2012 07:14 PM (c1WVm)

255 I quit beer, changed to diet cola, and worked out every day for a year. 1 hour/night doing WiiFit. Anything I wanted. Went from 208 to 172, and I was ripped. Felt better, had more zip, the works. Still smoked. Now I am drinking again, and working out 4x, and holding steady at 180. 6'2". Got good definition, and can turn on the burn pretty easily. Where you feel kinda hungry all the time.

Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 09, 2012 07:14 PM (qqlqB)

256 Well Good night all I'm driving to dallas in the morning

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 07:16 PM (R81AT)

257 Weightlifting isn't really for losing fat. You need aerobic exercise for that, jogging, walking, jumping jacks, and the like. Weightlifting and sprinting are anaerobic.

Posted by: KG at July 09, 2012 07:17 PM (IPz9m)

258 260, safe trip, CJ!

Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 09, 2012 07:18 PM (qqlqB)

259 Drive carefully chemjeff ... If you hit the Gulf of Mexico, you've gone too far ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 09, 2012 07:18 PM (qmMAj)

260 B5d What wiifit program do you use to get ripped

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 07:18 PM (R81AT)

261 Good night, Jefe! Have fun uin Dallas!

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 07:18 PM (HWUv9)

262 Re: Weight loss.

You can, in fact, lose weight permanently. The only solution is to reduce caloric intake.

I exercised all my life, and I always had a weight problem. After I was diagnosed with Meniere's disease on Octboer 7, 2011, I had to cut out all junk food, all restaurant food, and all food with a label, due to the sodium and MSG. I also had to go on a low-fat diet.

All I eat now is fresh vegetables, beef, chicken from a Chinese butcher shop (all American-made chicken and turkey have MSG in them), fresh fruit, and two slices of whole-wheat bread a day. My daily caloric intake is about 1200-1500. I have to do 20 minutes of aerobics a day, to increase my circulation, which reduces the symptoms.

At age 50, I've lost 60 pounds. For the first time since I was 19 years old, I'm down to 180, and I'm six feet tall. I have abs again. Since Meniere's is permanent, I'll never be able to go back to how I ate before, so my weight loss is permanent.

You can lose weight, but you simply can't ever have cheeseburgers, pizza, fries, chips, Chinese cuisine, Mexican cuisine, Thai cuisine--all that good shit.

I had to choose between food I loved and rotational vertigo that made me projectile vomit.

Not a hard choice. I don't even miss the stuff I used to eat.

Posted by: Llarry at July 09, 2012 07:19 PM (v0ygW)

263 Adriane Actually I am driving from houston

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 09, 2012 07:20 PM (R81AT)

264 Cthulhu...sent.

Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 07:22 PM (/izg2)

265 and can turn on the burn pretty easily.

I did 6 hours in my hot south FL attic during the day yesterday knocking out the final touches on a bunch of wiring work for new a fan, some halos, and receptacles.

It was about a buck forty up there by 1:00pm. Sweat wasn't dripping off, it was running off in rivulets.

Now THAT is a burn.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 07:23 PM (EBo1Z)

266 Gravity sucks...

Posted by: navybrat at July 09, 2012 07:25 PM (JG/Pz)

267 The child is grown,
The dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb.

Posted by: The Royal Tart Toter at July 09, 2012 07:26 PM (e8kgV)

268 Stop. Eating. Wheat.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at July 09, 2012 07:26 PM (X3KAb)

269

>>2) Increasingly sedentary lifestyles mean that people are less physically developed. Walking or riding horses everywhere, working a farm, and the general day labors that most people went through would have put muscle onto people which helped keep people thin, or at the very least gave them enough muscle underneath the fat that it didn't matter.<<

Two weeks I replaced a fence, and spent several days digging post holes in rock hard ground. It was exhausting. My wife was concerned that I wasn't eating enough to sustain that level of effort, and urged me to eat more to keep from losing too much weight.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 09, 2012 07:27 PM (gf8nI)

270 White House press secretary Jay Carney said Monday that President Obama would veto a full, across-the-board extension of the Bush tax cuts that included no tax increases on upper earners. Â“He would not support it. He would not sign that bill,Â” Carney told reporters. Pressed on whether not signing meant a presidential veto, Carney said it did.

Posted by: steevy at July 09, 2012 07:28 PM (Xb3hu)

271 265, CJ, the standard WiiFit Plus. 12 min of Yoga to stretch, 19 of Impact, mixed. 30 min of step and boxing trainer.

Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 09, 2012 07:28 PM (qqlqB)

272 I get vertigo once in a while. It appears to be due to fairly low BP. When I lost all the weight, my BP went from high to lower than normal. I suppose as a heavy teen, by heart and vascular system probably developed some excess capacity.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 07:28 PM (EBo1Z)

273

Posted by: Jim Treacherat July 09, 2012 11:26 PM (X3KAb)

Your on our list, buddy.

Posted by: Wheat Farmers of America at July 09, 2012 07:28 PM (AEE/Q)

274

267

I admire your discipline. I've got a condition known as cochlear hydrops that is in some ways similar to Meniere's disease. I don't have vertigo, but I do have low frequency hearing loss and bad tinnitus. I've not been so vigilant on my diet, but know that I'm going to have to start doing so.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 07:28 PM (4qsb0)

275

>>Weightlifting and sprinting are anaerobic.<<

One sprint is anaerobic, but a series of them (interval training) builds aerobic fitness surprisingly quickly.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 09, 2012 07:29 PM (gf8nI)

276 270, Purp. I was on an M-1 in KS, in the summertime. We were on a 10/50 cycle. Work 10, rest 50. Grew up in AZ, and it really is a dry heat. Here in NV, it's not as bad.

Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 09, 2012 07:30 PM (qqlqB)

277 Pressed on whether not signing meant a presidential veto, Carney said it did.

That's known as a pocket veto.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 07:30 PM (EBo1Z)

278 Someone pick up the damn phone!

Posted by: Uncle Leo at July 09, 2012 07:30 PM (AEE/Q)

279 I had to choose between food I loved and rotational vertigo that made me projectile vomit.

Not a hard choice. I don't even miss the stuff I used to eat.

Posted by: Llarry at July 09, 2012 11:19 PM (v0ygW)

But do you miss the projectile vomiting?

Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 09, 2012 07:31 PM (nZvGM)

280 projectile vomit The technicolor yawn.

Posted by: toby928© at July 09, 2012 07:32 PM (QupBk)

281 Now I've got that feeling once again
I can't explain you would not understand
This is not how I am.
I have become comfortably numb.

Posted by: The Royal Tart Toter at July 09, 2012 07:33 PM (e8kgV)

282

So I have (had) my W2 and pre-tax contributions balanced in such a way as to not have to write a check to the Feds at tax time. Now I'll be writing a $2500 one.

Fuck You Obama, and Fuck You CJ Roberts.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at July 09, 2012 07:34 PM (OjQYm)

283 One sprint is anaerobic, but a series of them (interval training) builds aerobic fitness surprisingly quickly.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 09, 2012 11:29 PM (gf8nI)

True, because your body starts to tap into the aerobic energy pathway after the first due to depletion of the anerobic pathway.

Gotta be hard on the knees tho.

Posted by: KG at July 09, 2012 07:34 PM (IPz9m)

284 Work 10, rest 50.

I was a zombie most of today after that effort yesterday and piddled around at ground level hanging the fan, adding a phone jack, and unfucking a bogus receptacle the builder's electricians put in. I still got one halo to drop in, but its an easy one. Everything is already wired and live up to a whip that just gets stuck in the can and connected.

I may attack that job around 4am when its cooled off up there.

Retasking a bedroom as a workshop/lab is a lot of freaking work to get it the way you want it. The stock shit builders put in has no lights, no power, bare minimums.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 07:37 PM (EBo1Z)

285 269 Cthulhu...sent.

Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 11:22 PM (/izg2)

Received.....thanks. All this talk about eating reminded me I hadn't had dinner, I left the computer and cooked an omelet.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 07:38 PM (kaalw)

286

I was chubby until I hit puberty, then I was skinny for a couple of years. By age 31 I was almost obese. Lost 90 pounds in 3 years and people either didn't recognize me(that was cool) or thought I was on meth or dying. Too skinny.

Gained 40 of it back while still keeping in top physical condition. Here are a few words of wisdom from a formerly fatass--but current moron:

1) Food intake is way more important than exercise for weight control.

2)Buy a calorie book. Cook and weigh your food portions. This seems like a hassle at first- but it will save you time and LOTS of money while you shed pounds.

3) Find out how many calories your body needs in sedatary mode and eat that amount.

4) Don't buy any equipment you don't need.

5) HFCS is pure EVIL.

6) Don't deny yourself the goodstuff, i,e don't buy fake cookies or other crap like that. It's a waste of time.

7) Eat whole grain and unprocessed foods.

Carbs are way worse than fats.

9) If you eat food you hate and do excersies that bore you , you will most likely fail.

10) Cardio programs are always going to be uncomfortable at first. Learn to Embrace the Suck!

11) The BMI index is worthless( it has my ideal weight at 173 pounds, I would look like a Qtip.)

12) 99% of diet fads are garbage. The people that pimp this sh!t should be beaten on sight.

Eating right and exercising WILL make you feel great. I never worry about gaining a few pounds now because they are so easy to lose once you learn the basics.

Posted by: laidup at July 09, 2012 07:38 PM (ksOz5)

287 Received.....thanks. All this talk about eating reminded me I hadn't had dinner, ...Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 11:38 PM (kaalw)

that's a comforting thought

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 07:40 PM (QTHTd)

288 Um, /robert smith sock

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 09, 2012 07:41 PM (QTHTd)

289 292 Received.....thanks. All this talk about eating reminded me I hadn't had dinner, ...Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 11:38 PM (kaalw)
that's a comforting thought

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 11:40 PM (QTHTd)

SOULS!!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 07:41 PM (kaalw)

290

>>True, because your body starts to tap into the aerobic energy pathway after the first due to depletion of the anerobic pathway.Gotta be hard on the knees tho. <<

Not really. Knee problems tend to result from poor conditioning, I suspect. I blew out a knee in high school (sports are good for you!), but found that doing high rep/light weight squats really helps a lot. That, and running up and down a six story series of outdoor steps nearby has worked wonders. The blown out knee feels better known than it did 30 years ago.

The key is good running form: running on the balls of the feet, not slamming the feet into the ground (no slapping). If you can't run up behind someone without them hearing you, you need to work on your running form.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 09, 2012 07:42 PM (gf8nI)

291 Obesity, more big gov BS, lets feed `em, roof `em and make sure they don`t work. Then classify these lazy asses with the rest of the populace to come up with some regulatory policy to gain further control. Wish we could get more " folks" to wake up and see the light. Hell, I`m over 6'-3" and run between 235 and 245 lbs and wear 34" or 35" waist jeans and am considered obese on their scales. The "we know better" shit is growing stronger.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 07:43 PM (VbDc+)

292

5) HFCS is pure EVIL.

They started putting that damn stuff in Coca-Cola in 1985. This when they brought the "original" formula back after the New Coke fiasco. Well it ain't the original formula. If you want that, buy Mexican produced Coca-Cola in glass bottles. It has a cleaner, crisper taste that the HFCS stuff, and is better for you.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 07:43 PM (n8kwn)

293 TheBMI index is worthless..

I'd look like one of those Auschwitz victims in mass graves if I was at my supposed "ideal" BMI. Anyone who has the general body morphology of a Neanderthal (which I do) would

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 07:44 PM (EBo1Z)

294 I know the Obama administration believes in recycling, but this is ridiculous: June 2012: Â“Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report and it is informative to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available.Â” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/07/06/employment-situation-june) May 2012: Â“Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report and it is helpful to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available.Â” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/06/01/employment-situation-may) April 2012: Â“Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report and it is helpful to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available.Â” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/05/04/employment-situation-april) March 2012: Â“Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, and it is helpful to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available.Â” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/04/06/employment-situation-march) February 2012: Â“Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report; nevertheless, the trend in job market indicators over recent months is an encouraging sign.Â” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/03/09/employment-situation-february)

Posted by: steevy at July 09, 2012 07:44 PM (Xb3hu)

295

Ever taken a look at family pictures from just the last generation? The "fatsos" of their day seem on the slim side of average by modern standards. Its most noticable when comparing teens and children of yesterday with the upsized youth of today. We've got at pets, for crying out loud.

All this mass isn't being generated out of thin air. Nutrients input has increased while activity output has dropped, its just a unintended consequence of prosperity. Blaming food enemies is kind of silly.

Posted by: Dorian Taupe at July 09, 2012 07:45 PM (IfM3l)

296 My story's similar to Llarry's but without the medical impetus.

After losing about the same amount of weight at nearly the same time as he, I committed to some strenuous sports which provide the competitive drive that dodges any tedium of regular exercise.

There have been minor fluctuations in weight over the years (10 - 15 lbs.) because I sometimes forgot to reduce caloric intake immediately following any injuries or off-seasons. But long weekends of playing have dropped 10 lbs. of sweat in those instances.

Posted by: derit at July 09, 2012 07:45 PM (ruiF1)

297

When I was in school about a thousand years ago there might be one or two chunky kids. Rarely would you see a really obese kid. Now days I see morbidly obese kids on a regular basis. Usually they are with morbidly obese parents. I feel sorry for these kids.

I was skinny most of my life but now am gaining weight. I'm 6' tall and weighed 167 lbs untill I was in my late 40's. My work was quite physical and I went to a very solid 185. I actually looked better at that weight. Now I am 62 and weigh in at 215 and have a bit of a gut. I recently started cutting back on carbs, junk, pop and scotch dammit. The article was a little disheartening.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at July 09, 2012 07:45 PM (JKNDp)

298

BMI is bullshit, I have to say. Look up the stats on MLB players, who average 6'1" and 205 lbs, IIRC. Porkers? I think not. Yet BMI would classify them as such.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 09, 2012 07:45 PM (gf8nI)

299 wow, steevy. At least they quit saying that the trend in indicators is an encouraging sign as of March.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 09, 2012 07:47 PM (QTHTd)

300 I was a fat kid and by the time I was 17 I weighed 150 pounds. When my boyfriend got down to 165 I decided I didn't want to be bigger than him. I went on a radical diet and started working out for an hour every day. I lost 33 pounds and was dangerously thin. By the time I got married I was up to a healthy 125. I maintained that weight for 25 years until I hit menopause. Today I weigh 130. I can still fit into my wedding gown. My waist is thicker and I'm a little softer all over, but I consider myself a success at keeping weight off. Especially since all four of my siblings have major weight problems. My dad once weighted 200 pounds and he was only 5'6". He was diagnosed at age 45 with hyperlipidemia, a genetic disease that causes fat to glob up in your blood vessels. He had to go on a crash lowfat diet and lost 60 pounds. He kept it off for the rest of his life.

Posted by: rockmom at July 09, 2012 07:47 PM (vvEHK)

301

>>I know the Obama administration believes in recycling<<

California has got Obama & Co. beat to hell and gone on recycling. Hell, we even recycle our politicians.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 09, 2012 07:47 PM (gf8nI)

302 305 That was a piece by Ed Driscoll at PJM,didn't mean it to look like plagiarism.

Posted by: steevy at July 09, 2012 07:48 PM (Xb3hu)

303 Driscoll and Green and Preston at PJM are obvious fans of this site and link to ace quite a bit.

Posted by: steevy at July 09, 2012 07:49 PM (Xb3hu)

304 But long weekends of playing have dropped 10 lbs. of sweat in those instances.

I've seen myself have 10lb weight swings in a day. If you go from slightly dehydrated to well hydrated and ready to piss like a race horse on lasix at night when you settle down it happens.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 07:49 PM (EBo1Z)

305 I've been on a low-carb, high-protein diet for five weeks. I've lost 12 pounds net (was down 14, gained 2 when I fell off the wagon). I'm not getting the same results other low-carb backers are; it's been dang hard to get the weight off, and I am always hungry. Don't know if being diabetic has anything to do with it. Still, I'm trying...drinking lots of water, and the occasional Diet Mt. Dew. I'm weaning myself off that. I used to have a 20 oz. Diet Dew every day, now it's once or twice a week.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 09, 2012 07:49 PM (A2LXE)

306 #307

Somehow they sold us us back the governor we traded in almost 30 years ago. Cal Worthington is awestruck by that feat of flim-flam artistry.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 07:51 PM (kcfmt)

307

>>When I was in school about a thousand years ago there might be one or two chunky kids. Rarely would you see a really obese kid. Now days I see morbidly obese kids on a regular basis. Usually they are with morbidly obese parents. I feel sorry for these kids.<<

Last year I caught myself leering at a nice pair of boobs wobbling free at a swimming pool, before realizing that they were attached to a teenaged ... boy.

Fortunately, there were no ice picks to hand. The nausea took a while to pass.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 09, 2012 07:51 PM (gf8nI)

308 I'm taking a different approach. Every night I sleep on a medieval rack. I've gained 3 inches in 3 months and that has brought my BMI down from 38 to 32. I'm shooting for 7'6" by Christmas!!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 09, 2012 07:52 PM (hgSh3)

309 I also think the pervasive use of air conditioning contributes to obesity. 100 years ago, ambient temps helped your body decide how much food it need to consume to stay cooler in the summer (less food).

People learned pretty quick that chowing a 5,000 calorie lunch on a hot summer day probably wasn't a good idea unless they wanted to suffer for the next two days.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 07:53 PM (EBo1Z)

310 I tipped the scales at 380 in 2010. I cheated, I had RNY gastric bypass in September 2010.

So far I've gone from 380 to 250. Forced willpower can do a lot for a guy

Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience/SMOD 2012 at July 09, 2012 07:53 PM (eHBHk)

311

My Mom told me about how her Mother in Baton Rouge, La. would make her butter and sugar (this is not a misprint) sandwiches back in the fifties. It did not make her fat.

Technology has given us to many reasons to sit still for long periods of time. I believe that's the problem. Back then you had three TV stations (if you had a tv) and no internet.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 07:54 PM (n8kwn)

312 huge jars full of diet pills they huge jars full of diet pills they'd hand out...they were basically Bennies and Dexies.

Appetite suppression plus plenty of aerobics running from the purple bats.

Posted by: DaveA at July 09, 2012 07:54 PM (864A5)

313 Cal Worthington is awestruck by that feat of flim-flam artistry. Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 11:51 PM But what about his dog "Spot"?

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 09, 2012 07:54 PM (sTQDb)

314 I used to have a 20 oz. Diet Dew every day, now it's once or twice a week.

I'll down a couple/three 2L of diet Dew every day. From the freezer at the consistency of a slushie, that shit is the nectar of the fracking gods.

I think my heart would stop beating if I didn't have a constant high "caffeine loading".

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 07:56 PM (EBo1Z)

315 Soap, you hit the nail on the head. I do not intend to go quietly into that good night but kicking and screaming. Enjoying my family, flying, diving and generally having a good time untill I just can't do it anymore. I live to be that wacky relative every family has.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at July 09, 2012 07:56 PM (JKNDp)

316 #317

Doubt it. We can't afford it unless the old lady is in distress. So I'm sitting here in nothing but gym shorts, dripping with sweat, and I cannot image it's a pretty sight. Not as horrifying as the legendary morganwebblover portrait but I bet someone would make a reference if they saw me now.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 07:56 PM (kcfmt)

317 I remember butter and sugar sammiches....

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 09, 2012 07:57 PM (sTQDb)

318 321, g'damn. Watched those ads in Yuma, in the way back when. Heh.

Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 09, 2012 07:58 PM (qqlqB)

319 @B5D - 19K: Cal had dealerships in Houston, as well

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 09, 2012 08:00 PM (sTQDb)

320 I think it's a wonderful thing for the smart central planners in D.C. to micromanage the lives and work of every one of us bitter clingers out here in flyover country.

After all, it worked out so well for the Soviet Union.

Wait, what?

Posted by: Independent/Late Decider at July 09, 2012 08:01 PM (+XVQe)

321 Well, got another 4 AM wakeup time tomorrow, so later, dudes and dudettes.

Posted by: epobirs at July 09, 2012 08:02 PM (kcfmt)

322 328, AJ, he was a hoot. Didn't realize he made it to Texas. Thought he was SoCal Worthington.

Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 09, 2012 08:02 PM (qqlqB)

323 329, HA!

Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 09, 2012 08:03 PM (qqlqB)

324 I'm thinking about marketing a new diet that uses a photo of Moochelle in a thong as an appetite suppressant, but I'm worried that people will lose too much weight.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 09, 2012 08:03 PM (gf8nI)

325 Paul Reuben on Jimmy Kimmel tonight.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 09, 2012 08:03 PM (piMMO)

326 298, I like the throwback Pepsi

Posted by: Jean at July 09, 2012 08:03 PM (elbGQ)

327

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 11:54 PM (n8kwn)

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 09, 2012 11:57 PM (sTQDb)

Glad to know my mom wasn't the only one that served up bread, butter, and sugar as a treat. Back when bread, butter, and sugar were real!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 09, 2012 08:03 PM (i3+c5)

328 Read about who came up with BMI, and you will see it's an enormous crock of shit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index

Especially read about the limitations and shortcomings. They just about vitiate the entire scheme.

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at July 09, 2012 08:06 PM (pJbuO)

329

Posted by: Independent/Late Decider at July 10, 2012 12:01 AM (+XVQe)

The problem the Soviet Union had was too many time zones, The US doesn't have as many time zones, so totalitarian/socialist policies dictated by a central planning bureau of very smart people inside the beltway will work correctly here!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 09, 2012 08:06 PM (i3+c5)

330 336- Oh yeah!! Slice of white bread, thick layer of room temperature butter and about 1/8" of white granulated sugar. First bite, let the sugar melt against the roof of you mouth, the bread joins in late. Mmmmmm! And I haven't had one since I was 12 years old.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 09, 2012 08:06 PM (hgSh3)

331 Oh yeah- and wash it down with a warm can of Schlitz!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 09, 2012 08:08 PM (hgSh3)

332 you's mudda fukkers need to do the drunk-arexia. dont eat shit , and drink like a Viking. works for the scandi, hooter chicks

Posted by: honey Badger #5 at July 09, 2012 08:10 PM (RQjPS)

333 The BMI is trash, but its what they've all decided to follow in governments. What's worse is that they recently defined fat down even more so you're overweight if you are not a stick. And they define "obese" as what most people would "somewhat heavy."
Its incredibly misleading and has little to do with biology or natural morphology in human beings.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 09, 2012 08:10 PM (r4wIV)

334 What you mean, "Wrong hole"?

Posted by: Mothra at July 09, 2012 08:10 PM (+XVQe)

335 337, good call. 6'2" and 175? Insane.

Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 09, 2012 08:10 PM (qqlqB)

336

I know cycling is the go-to cardio activity of choice for aging guys these days, but IMO its got nothing on swimming. Its easy on the joints, offers resistance for muscle development and is second only to full on track work for cardio load. People can not believe just how beastly someone can get just from swimming alone, much less combining it with weight training. Besides, since its draining as hell, you don't have to live in mortal fear of dinner rolls, corn flakes, etc.

Posted by: Dorian Taupe at July 09, 2012 08:11 PM (IfM3l)

337 Los Angeles Pterodactyl cockfights could be pretty epic if you're into that). Pikers

Posted by: The Warcock at July 09, 2012 08:11 PM (u8EAg)

338 345, DT, agreed. If you can get to a pool, it will do the work without destroying your joints.

Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 09, 2012 08:12 PM (qqlqB)

339 164 Dr. Oz an asshole?

Well, he is of Iranian extraction. Maybe he's ahealth and bad adviceterrorist.

His real name is "Ozymandias, King of Kings".

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at July 09, 2012 08:13 PM (pJbuO)

340 Wow, I never knew that butter and sugar sandwiches were that popular. I'm tempted to make one.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 08:13 PM (n8kwn)

341 The only way I could ever reach the middle of the BMI "normal" range would be to lose a leg at the hip, and even then I'd look like a lifelong smack addict.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 08:13 PM (EBo1Z)

342 Sugar and butter sammiches, remember them well, along with raw eggs milk and vanilla extract shakes (with sugar). I also like Seamus Muldoons " I got this shit figured out".

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 08:13 PM (VbDc+)

343

Checking in from underneath the brick and steel of a non-descript building.

People weigh more today because they aren't smoking. Turn back to the clock to 1961 and you would be amazed at the smoking going on.

When I stopped it was 20# almost immediately, and has held there for all the years since.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 09, 2012 08:14 PM (l3vZN)

344 341, that and exercise all night

Posted by: Jean at July 09, 2012 08:14 PM (elbGQ)

345 339 336- Oh yeah!! Slice of white bread, thick layer of room temperature butter and about 1/8" of white granulated sugar. First bite, let the sugar melt against the roof of you mouth, the bread joins in late. Mmmmmm! And I haven't had one since I was 12 years old.

*******

One of My Sainted Father's sage bits of advice was,

"Never eat a sugar sandwich in the wind."

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at July 09, 2012 08:15 PM (pJbuO)

346 Off to the rodayo, night all!

Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at July 09, 2012 08:16 PM (qqlqB)

347 ossama bin laden killed when watching porn! Canadian porn actress his fav. check the link ang google Sunny Leone

Posted by: honey Badger #5 at July 09, 2012 08:17 PM (RQjPS)

348 I still maintain that I was at my most fit when I was 27 years old, 5'3" and weighed appx. 120#. Of course I had just spent 6 mo. in the Carribean as a full-time Divemaster which basically means humping a lot of fucking tanks. (And Yoshi is correct, many reps of light weights don't do jack shit for women. Be short enough that you have to LIFT each of those 30# cylinders in order to carry them and you strart to build muscles all over your body!) I weigh 104# now and am still 5'3". Bullshit, I am "healthier" now than I was then! BMI is one of those Scientology things like Thetans, isin't it?

Posted by: Deety at July 09, 2012 08:19 PM (A3t/H)

349

351

I seem to recall that some of those ingrediants went into an Orange Julius. One of the greatest beverages (IMHO) ever produced by man. In my youth they could be found in virtually any mall. Now they've all but disappeared. Dairy Queen bought them out and closed most of the franchises. You can't even get them in most Dairy Queens.

Why? Just...why?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 08:20 PM (n8kwn)

350 Good evening from a moron who'll never be skinny. Sigh

Posted by: zeera at July 09, 2012 08:21 PM (XtxRN)

351 FWIW- I have alot of experience on low carb diets. If you want the .5 pound a day weight loss you have to get into "ketosis" It takes about 2 days before your metabolism kicks in. Those two days are not pleasant. After the third day start checking your urine with ketone strips. Don't worry about how dark the strips get, as long as they change color. Alot of people go,"wow I lost 10 ponds this week!" You didn't. You shed retained water. The body will only burn a half a pound of fat a day. Max. You will lose muscle. This happens on any diet. One pleasant side effect of ketosis is that you starve your brain of fuel and it only runs critical operations. So if you are high strung(like me) ,you will worry alot less. You will be dumber while on this diet--but in my case I could care less. Don't do it for more than two weeks. It stops working. I was on it for five weeks on one occasion. Drink plenty of fluids, THIS IS KEY. Dehydration is a serious concern on this diet. If you can't follow the guidleines don't use this diet. Going in and out of ketosis is bad for you. If you get off the diet and gain pounds in days--don't worry, it's just water. you need to eat 5000 addtional calories to gain one pound of fat, and only need to burn 3700 to lose one. Constipation is also a big problem, so learn to love leafy greens. Remember: The scale is not a good indicater for weight loss due to fluctuating fluid retention, how your clothes fit is.

Posted by: laidup at July 09, 2012 08:21 PM (28Z1X)

352 Jinx, There is some money to be made with a study like thsty

Posted by: Jean at July 09, 2012 08:21 PM (elbGQ)

353 I guess if OBL was in the middle of rubbing one out when he got whacked, taking him prisoner wasn't really on the menu.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 08:24 PM (EBo1Z)

354 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Julius -- claims to have the original recipe.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 08:25 PM (kaalw)

355 Jump in the pool, if it`s hard to float you allright, sink like a rock and you`re jam up and jelly tight.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 08:25 PM (VbDc+)

356 News at 10, A section 8 bribery scandal in L.A. surprise surprise!

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 09, 2012 08:26 PM (ZhEoC)

357 Take heart, I was in a DQ last Friday and lo and behold, they were advertising for sale the original Orange Julius.

Posted by: Kos Kid at July 10, 2012 12:22 AM (OWjjx)

I'll have to check that out. I'll still have to drive to the boondocks to get one, but it will be worth it.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 08:28 PM (n8kwn)

358 Oh, Yeah. Do not Drink ANY achohol when on this diet--not even red wine. You will black out.

Posted by: laidup at July 09, 2012 08:28 PM (AEawJ)

359
Glad to know my mom wasn't the only one that served up bread, butter, and sugar as a treat. Back when bread, butter, and sugar were real!

*****

My grandmother gave us that.

She also made a thick soup that I love that was made with cornmeal, onion, and black pepper. I didn't realize until I was about 40 years old that it was cornmeal gruel.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 09, 2012 08:28 PM (piMMO)

360 366 I guess if OBL was in the middle of rubbing one out when he got whacked, taking him prisoner wasn't really on the menu.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 10, 2012 12:24 AM (EBo1Z)

Considering the number of wives he had with him, it does seem that wedding cake works as the ultimate sexual inhibition.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 08:28 PM (kaalw)

361 News at 10, A section 8 bribery scandal in L.A. surprise surprise!

Section 8 is bribery - buying votes - by design. Where's the scandal?

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 09, 2012 08:29 PM (QTHTd)

362 Seriously, who has the time to waste looking up Keith Olberdouche's yearbook page?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 10, 2012 12:18 AM (OWjjx)

I didn't think it was possible, but after seeing his yearbook picture, I have come to the irrefutable conclusion that Kweef Olberscrunt has made miniscule strides in the direction of utter douche-bag from the starting point of simpering douche-nozzle.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 09, 2012 08:30 PM (lzvtR)

363 Sugar and butter sammiches, remember them well, along with raw eggs milk and vanilla extract shakes...

****

I think we might be related!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 09, 2012 08:30 PM (piMMO)

364 You know what's really tasty and not all that great for you? Cornbread for breakfast. Pour milk and sugar over it and crumble it up. MMM

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 09, 2012 08:31 PM (r4wIV)

365 You gonna finish that sugar and butter sandwich?

Posted by: Meghan McCain at July 09, 2012 08:31 PM (zMouK)

366 Greetings from SE Washington State, where it's been hotter than hell the past few days!

Hope all of yez are doing well.

Posted by: Theresa at July 09, 2012 08:32 PM (36Yg+)

367 And I've mentined them here before but if yu haven't tried it yet, you should.

Potato sandwiches:

Slice the potatoes into about 1/4 inch discs and fry.

Prep white bread with mayo and, if you like, cheddar cheese.

Add salt and black pepper

Yummmm!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 09, 2012 08:33 PM (piMMO)

368

367

I've tried on a couple of occasions to make one at home. I dunno if it was me (probably) or the recipe, but it just didn't taste the same.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 08:34 PM (n8kwn)

369 Checking in from somewhere on the MS Gulf Coast, I have a strong opinion on debtors prison. It varies from state to state, but it exists. It is unconstitutional in my view and one more sign of our collective loss of freedoms, or actual loss of freedom in this case. It's going to get worse.

The local city government here got slapped by a federal court several years back for locking people up unable to pay fines. They behaved for a while, but they did not give up. They just came up with a different justification -- contempt of court. You see, they weren't locking you up for failure to pay but for ignoring a court order. This is the same legal logic they use in locking up 'deadbeat dads' (and no, I am not defending deadbeat dads in general but the system is rigged against fathers as a separate rant).

This new wrinkle of charging you for your confinement closes the loop and practically guarantees that many can never escape. Remember the old oaters where the judge would say "Ten dollars or 10 days"? Yeah, but those were the old and busted days or something. In the new hotness, there is no way out. Even the local courts have recognized, once again, that this is a problem. In some jurisdictions, they are allowing people to work off fines through community service at a rate of $5 per hour or so. Hey, what are minimum wage laws, but it least it's a possible path out.

In summary, I'm with the ACLU on this issue. Ouch.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 09, 2012 08:35 PM (ccXZP)

370 Every section 8 tenant I've ever known was a problem. Drugs, trashing joints, police calls, etc The landlord knows up front they'll never see the supposed tenant contribution, so they just jack the accordingly, and pretty much have to put the building on auto-pilot and fix only stuff they're receiving code violation citations for or they'll be losing money like crazy.

You can't have a conscience and be a section 8 landlord or you'll go broke.

BTDT, got the T-shirt.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 08:35 PM (EBo1Z)

371 Peanut butter and ketchup sandwiches.

Posted by: mmm mmm good at July 09, 2012 08:36 PM (c98sL)

372 Does BMI take into account the square cube law? If it doesn't then that is a huge flaw that needs to be addressed.

Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at July 09, 2012 08:37 PM (oSbSN)

373 You are up there in Jax right NDH, I`m from south of Lake Butler. Got kin in Jacksonville. Also get that gruel thing going right and make hoe cakes.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 08:38 PM (VbDc+)

374 I think it's a wonderful thing for the smart central planners in D.C. to micromanage the lives and work of every one of us bitter clingers out here in flyover country. After all, it worked out so well for the Soviet Union. Wait, what? Posted by: Independent/Late Decider at July 10, 2012 12:01 AM (+XVQe) If only I had had built more gulags...

Posted by: Josef Stalin, the Spiritual Grandfather of your Dearly Beloved SCoaMF at July 09, 2012 08:39 PM (XYqoq)

375 367 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Julius -- claims to have the original recipe.

Showed this to Meine Frau, a New Yawka.

She says it leaves out egg white.

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at July 09, 2012 08:40 PM (pJbuO)

376 Wallet is going to hate me after this week with the start of the Steam sale and the start of the biannual Criterion sale

Got 39 Steps, Godzilla, Musashi trilogy, The Magician, Three Outlaw Samurai and The Lady Vanishes ready to go for when ever Barnes and Noble flips the switch

Posted by: The Dude at July 09, 2012 08:40 PM (tw6Ar)

377 Hey Kids,

when did the 'new comments thingy' label go away?

Oh, well. no one ever called me Mr. Observant.

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 08:43 PM (ufJKx)

378

I wish I knew exactly how to make it, but my Dad used to cook a tuna casserole using the following:

One can of tunafish

One small jar of pimentos

One can of cream of mushroom soup

Crushed potato chips

He'd mix those ingrediants in a casserole dish and then put more crushed potato chips on top. I'm not sure how long or at what temperature to cook it.

May have been my favorite food in life.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 08:43 PM (n8kwn)

379 She says it leaves out egg white.

Depending on who was working on any given day, piss might be the secret ingredient.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 08:44 PM (EBo1Z)

380 Oh yea - chip/tuna casserole. Its been 40 years since I had that, but it rocked../.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 08:45 PM (EBo1Z)

381 : Reggie1971, Alton Brown did a lot of research on the orange julius. You may want to try typing in both names.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at July 09, 2012 08:46 PM (JKNDp)

382 Heh-heh, get some Fat on the ont and for sure there will be food talking.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 08:48 PM (VbDc+)

383 Huh. I lost 45 lbs in 18 months by not eating at Carl's Jr. every day. Guess I'm 1/1000

Posted by: tangonine at July 09, 2012 08:49 PM (x3YFz)

384 You are up there in Jax right NDH, I`m from south of Lake Butler. Got kin in Jacksonville. Also get that gruel thing going right and make hoe cakes.

***

Yep. Raised in Middleburg when there were so few people we only had to dial the last four phone numbers to reach someone in town.

Yes. Hoe cakes! Or, as we called it, cornbread. Proper cornbread is cooked atop the stove, in a cast iron pan, and is as dense as wet cement.

All the better for sopping up the pot liquor.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 09, 2012 08:50 PM (piMMO)

385 OMG Orange Julius!!! Used to go to the one in MdR in the windmill. Now I'm gonna have to try to re-create it here! Damn you cthulhu!!!

Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 08:50 PM (/izg2)

386 Reading about the Amish and their weight problems, I plan to tell every fatso I meet, "You look plain.....plain awful."

I also plan to tell them, "You know, there are fat people, and there are old people. But there are very few fat old people."

(I keed. I keed. )

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at July 09, 2012 08:51 PM (pJbuO)

387 eat less. move around more. it works.

Posted by: tangonine at July 09, 2012 08:51 PM (x3YFz)

388 I temporarily misplaced 15 pounds when my jaw was wired shut for nearly 6 weeks. Btw, beer is an excellent liquid food for those situations.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 09, 2012 08:53 PM (ccXZP)

389

The Orange Julius I remember going to was in Northpark Mall in Dallas, TX. It was adjacent to the circular fountain. Another restaurant nearby was Kip's Big Boy.

Both locations are now occupied by fufu restaurants.

Progress you know.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 08:54 PM (n8kwn)

390 WTH, sitting outside smoking a cig, a huge beetle/cockroach with wings flying towards me and the dog. I am screaming, my dog was freaked. I smashed it with a shoe. Hubby told me he was laughing his ass off inside the house. Still Love the guy.

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 09, 2012 08:55 PM (fHyXI)

391 Yes. Hoe cakes! Or, as we called it, cornbread. Proper cornbread is cooked atop the stove, in a cast iron pan, and is as dense as wet cement.

All the better for sopping up the pot liquor.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 10, 2012 12:50 AM (piMMO)

Or homemade cane syrup, with a mason jar full of milk.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 08:57 PM (VbDc+)

392

404

We used to call the flying ones "waterbugs". Deeply disturbing insects.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 08:58 PM (n8kwn)

393 eat less. move around more. it works.

Posted by: tangonine at July 10, 2012 12:51 AM (x3YFz)

Good advice, but you could have added: STOP SHOVELING GARBAGE INTO YOUR GAPING MAWS FAT-ASSES.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 09, 2012 08:59 PM (lzvtR)

394 Beer is a really good workout drink, absorbs fluids, replaces carbohydrates during workouts.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 09, 2012 09:00 PM (ZhEoC)

395 BTW NDH, back in the day I sent many a load of logs into Gillmans? spell that right?

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 09:02 PM (VbDc+)

396 Huh. I lost 45 lbs in 18 months by not eating at Carl's Jr. every day. Guess I'm 1/1000

Mmm mmm mmm. Western bacon cheeseburger. Though it wasn't as good as I remembered last time I had one...ok two. In 'N Out kept me coming back.

Posted by: NC Ref at July 09, 2012 09:03 PM (/izg2)

397 392
I wish I knew exactly how to make it, but my Dad used tocook a tuna casserole using the following:

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

My mom's early favorites were:

Velveeta Fondue

Chicken a la King

Chili con Carne...."with Meat"

Roast Mutton and Mint Jelly

Kidney stew (pretty good, except my dad hated bay leaf, which she tried to sneak in, and he always found impaled on his fork)

Tomato and Lima Bean pie (ghastly. A waste of tomatoes, lima beans, pie crust and the heat to cook them.)

(Did I mention that my mother couldn't cook?)

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at July 09, 2012 09:05 PM (pJbuO)

398 So yeah, I could stand to lose some weight. But after hearing that a 51 y.o friend was put on oxygen during the night because of impaired lung function, I decided to prioritize quitting cigs. Been over a week. What is REALLY frustrating is the wife, who absolutely despised my smoking and railed on me for YEARS about it, hasn't even noticed that I quit... conspicous in it's presence, not it's absence I guess. I'm not gonna say nothing, see if she'll ever pick up on it...

Posted by: zeera at July 09, 2012 09:07 PM (XtxRN)

399 406
404
We used to call the flying ones "waterbugs". Deeply disturbing insects.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 10, 2012 12:58 AM (n8kwn)

We live in the desert.Hubby said it was a beetle, he watered all the plants like crazy. I blame him.

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 09, 2012 09:07 PM (fHyXI)

400 I live in West Hollywood and go to a fairly trendy gym. A girl used to go there that was the typical Westside Girl - totally hot and totally nuts. A friend of mine told me she got 50 grand to do one of those Before/After Diet Ads. They paid her to put the weight ON and reversed the photos under Before/After.

Posted by: Kaisersoze at July 09, 2012 09:08 PM (NDZar)

401 412 So yeah, I could stand to lose some weight. But after hearing that a 51 y.o friend was put on oxygen during the night because of impaired lung function, I decided to prioritize quitting cigs. Been over a week. What is REALLY frustrating is the wife, who absolutely despised my smoking and railed on me for YEARS about it, hasn't even noticed that I quit... conspicous in it's presence, not it's absence I guess. I'm not gonna say nothing, see if she'll ever pick up on it...

Posted by: zeera at July 10, 2012 01:07 AM (XtxRN)

Good for you. Obama screwed another group on friday, roll it your own cigs were made illegal. I believe another small business was put out of business, I beleive about 35,000 people were put out of work. What a fucking guy!

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 09, 2012 09:10 PM (fHyXI)

402 zeera, you should say something. So she understands when the inevitable episode of testiness hits.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 09, 2012 09:11 PM (QTHTd)

403

So,

If I live off of nothing but BBQ'd ribs and Merlot for the next 4 weeks,

I should drop a stone or two.....in a matter of speaking....not related to any

dietary proof or anything of that nature.....jus saying.

Posted by: Richard at July 09, 2012 09:12 PM (fjxG4)

404 A flying cock-a-roach.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 09:12 PM (VbDc+)

405

411

I remember my Grandmother (bless her heart) used to make us her special iced tea. It was so loaded with sacharin that it made me look like a cartoon character after swalling alum.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 09:12 PM (n8kwn)

406 Oh yeah, Forgot to mention the dangerous bout with dysenterie or whatever that happened about 3 mo. in! Super-religious landlady of my tropical shack (with no potable water and no way to heat anything) is out of country and my boss gave me a 3 day weekend! Whooooie!!! I remember stumbling down the hill towards the main drag and into an Italian owned"resort" with an AMEX card clutched in my hand, hoping to buy some water from the restaurant. I'm told that I had a very polite conversation with Thelma and I was able to sit down at her urging before collapsing utterly. Say what you will about notorious whores and their catimites... Thelma was very gentile lady and her boys nursed me through tropical hell in the hammock outside my shack until my landlady came home. She also told my boss/instructor what had happened to me. As I recall, he did visit and this ex-Navy nurse's words of encouragement were, "Wow! Looks like you've been seriosly dehydrated! If we were in the States, I'd get you to a hospital and get an IV in you. Don't ever let them take you to the hospital here! You're in good hands." Yeah, so that 12 days was probably cheating. I'll bet I lost a LOT of weight that week!

Posted by: Deety at July 09, 2012 09:14 PM (A3t/H)

407 American cockroach - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 09:14 PM (VbDc+)

408 Flying? I still bury those cock-a-roaches!

Posted by: Tony Montana at July 09, 2012 09:14 PM (n8kwn)

409 404 WTH, sitting outside smoking a cig, a huge beetle/cockroach with wings flying towards me and the dog. I am screaming, my dog was freaked. I smashed it with a shoe. Hubby told me he was laughing his ass off inside the house. Still Love the guy.

************

Have you seen an Asian cockroach?

My first sighting was in Calcutta. Gigantic!!!

Having just an hour before seen some poor guy lying by the side of the road with what looked to be walnuts hanging all over his body (I think it was a type of Elephant Man disease), I was totally freaked.

But don't forget that "June Bug" beetles here can be pretty big. Still, they don't look like roaches, and some are very colorful bright blue and green. And being beetles they are utterly harmless.

Just another of God's creatures --- only someone once said God must have loved beetles, because He made so many of them. 600,000 species and counting.

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at July 09, 2012 09:14 PM (pJbuO)

410 Why is it that most people forget that Ob+mao raised the cigarette taxes right after he was elected and THAT is a heavily regressive tax too.

Posted by: torabora at July 09, 2012 09:15 PM (zGpei)

411 Obama screwed anothergroup on friday, roll it your own cigs were made illegal. I believe another small business was put out of business, I beleive about 35,000 people were put out of work. What a fucking guy!

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 10, 2012 01:10 AM (fHyXI)

Sure, but at the same time 85,000 went on SS disability, so add it up; net 50,000 Obama voters. Its the New Math.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 09, 2012 09:16 PM (lzvtR)

412 One of these days I`ll figure this out, try till.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 09:17 PM (VbDc+)

413 Buenos noches, cock-a-roaches!!!

Anyone for....bean bag????

Posted by: Eric Holder at July 09, 2012 09:19 PM (pJbuO)

414 Um, /robert smith sock

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 09, 2012 11:41 PM (QTHTd)

You're doing it wrong! :p

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 09:21 PM (4ixH5)

415 And good evening again.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 09:21 PM (4ixH5)

416

418

I swat the bugs, winged and or otherwise, when I feel the Urge, got the pump bottle with vintage MALATHION and some mg+ sprinkles to make the night glow.....glow. Now all I need is some Dorsey and "In the Mood!

Spankle-Master, standing by....

Posted by: Richard at July 09, 2012 09:21 PM (fjxG4)

417

"But don't forget that "June Bug" beetles here can be pretty big."

I remember being out in the country in south Louisiana when I was a teen and getting out of the car to get gas. The June bugs had hatched and just about entirely covered the gas pumps. It was like something out of an Alfred Hitchcock movie.

Posted by: Tony Montana at July 09, 2012 09:22 PM (n8kwn)

418 Sure, but at the same time 85,000 went on SS disability, so add it up; net 50,000 Obama voters. Its the New Math.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 10, 2012 01:16 AM (lzvtR)

Yep 35,000 people losing jobs here and there, who cares

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 09, 2012 09:22 PM (fHyXI)

419 Name changeback...ugh

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 09:23 PM (n8kwn)

420 362 Well, my clothes are looser, and I've had to add another notch to the belt so I don't flash my underwear to a terrified public, so I guess that's good. The program I'm on now is based around ketosis, and it is damn hard for me. I've changed what I buy at the grocery store quite a bit, but I can't see, on my income, moving to a completely paleo diet. BTW...if I shouldn't use seed oils, what's left? Butter? Lard? What?

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 09, 2012 09:23 PM (A2LXE)

421 424 Why is it that most people forget that Ob+mao raised the cigarette taxes right after he was elected and THAT is a heavily regressive tax too.

Posted by: torabora at July 10, 2012 01:15 AM (zGpei)

Well smokers deserve to die, so theres that!

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 09, 2012 09:25 PM (fHyXI)

422 Wow, just got back in from watching a pretty awesome thunder and lightening show outside! Wasn't too far away, either, judging by the flash and the instantaneous booming.

Posted by: Theresa at July 09, 2012 09:25 PM (36Yg+)

423 when did the 'new comments thingy' label go away?

~ a week ago.

We were the Alonquin Round Table for a few days, for no apparent reason.

Now we are merely "Comments".

Various folk argued for "The Horde Responds", "Andrew Breitbart Presents", and "Shake It, Moronettes".

Management was unresponsive ....

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 09, 2012 09:26 PM (1Phwr)

424 424 Why is it that most people forget that Ob+mao raised the cigarette taxes right after he was elected and THAT is a heavily regressive tax too.

Posted by: torabora at July 10, 2012 01:15 AM (zGpei)

Right when all the States were doing it too. Cigarettes went from 20-25 to 50 and up a carton, right along with gas .

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 09:26 PM (VbDc+)

425 BTW NDH, back in the day I sent many a load of logs into Gillmans? spell that right?

***

I think it's with one 'L'.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 09, 2012 09:27 PM (piMMO)

426 Flying or otherwise, they are cockroaches, but don't tell the folks out in Ponte Vedra that. They don't have cockroaches. They have 'palmetto bugs'.

Um hmm.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 09, 2012 09:28 PM (piMMO)

427 Or Algonquin, even.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 09, 2012 09:28 PM (1Phwr)

428 437 when did the 'new comments thingy' label go away?

~ a week ago.

We were the Alonquin Round Table for a few days, for no apparent reason.

Now we are merely "Comments".

Various folk argued for "The Horde Responds", "Andrew Breitbart Presents", and "Shake It, Moronettes".

Management was unresponsive ....

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 10, 2012 01:26 AM (1Phwr)

====

http://tinyurl.com/5w6o3a

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 09:30 PM (ufJKx)

429 barnes and nobel's Criterion sale is currently stacking with their current b2g1 sale, dunno how long that will last

Posted by: The Dude at July 09, 2012 09:31 PM (tw6Ar)

430 Six bucks is the cheapest I can get a pack of cigs now. Back in 1987 I got em for $ 1.25. I remember freaking out when they went up to two bucks a pack.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 09:31 PM (n8kwn)

431 Here's a dieting question. is it really bad when you start feeling light headed? Or is that just a sign I've not had enough of something or other?

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 09:32 PM (4ixH5)

432 Beetle or cockroach, it was creepy. Kinda like Obama and his fkin wife/media/media/spokesperson/lyin mouth pieces/media/polls/etc/etc.

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 09, 2012 09:33 PM (fHyXI)

433 "Here's a dieting question. is it really bad when you start feeling light headed?"

Yes.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 09, 2012 09:34 PM (lzvtR)

434 445 Here's a dieting question. is it really bad when you start feeling light headed? Or is that just a sign I've not had enough of something or other?

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 01:32 AM (4ixH5)

===

lotsa possibilities. on possibility is anemia. if you cut way back on red meat you might need some iron.

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 09:36 PM (ufJKx)

435

Don't forget child support in the debtors prison equasion. Many in the local jail are there for losing their job and thus being unable to make a payment to the child support hags down at the city.

Posted by: Hal Burton at July 09, 2012 09:36 PM (iYvMQ)

436 Yes. Posted by: cm9000 at July 10, 2012 01:34 AM (lzvtR) Bad or bad-bad?

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 09:36 PM (4ixH5)

437 I remember when gas and cigs were both 32 cents. It cost just under 5 bucks to fill the tank of my '63Galaxie 500.

Posted by: zeera at July 09, 2012 09:36 PM (XtxRN)

438 Buenos Aires- stink-a bug cock-a-roaches TACOS.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 09:36 PM (VbDc+)

439

Smokers should be the base of the revolt.

Just start going in mass to all the lib. hangouts...starbucks and the such, and blow smoke all over their chi-teas and then light up a pipe and blow smoke over their organic pastery's and then blow smoke in the open windows of their collective "Green Cars!" and fire up a BIG FAT CUBAN CIGAR in their Whole Foods stores and puff it like a freight train up all the isles til they satrt screaming for the manager, THEN, just blow a BIG, FAT, SMOKE RING or two RIGHT IN THEIR FACES!!!!

TO ARMS!!....TO ARMS!!!

Posted by: Richard at July 09, 2012 09:37 PM (fjxG4)

440 Six bucks is the cheapest I can get a pack of cigs now. Back in 1987 I got em for $ 1.25. I remember freaking out when they went up to two bucks a pack.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 10, 2012 01:31 AM (n8kwn)

I'm so old I remember friends saying "I'll quit when smokes get to be a buck a pack."

Posted by: cm9000 at July 09, 2012 09:37 PM (lzvtR)

441 if you cut way back on red meat you might need some iron.

Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 01:36 AM (ufJKx)

Yes I have. Lots of chicken breast.

Guess I should keep that in mind?

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 09:38 PM (4ixH5)

442 450
Bad or bad-bad?

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 01:36 AM (4ixH5)

both

Posted by: leroy brown at July 09, 2012 09:38 PM (ufJKx)

443

Posted by: Richard at July 10, 2012 01:37 AM (fjxG4)

Listen to this man, people.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 09:39 PM (4ixH5)

444 Bad or bad-bad?

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 01:36 AM (4ixH5)

Yes.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 09, 2012 09:39 PM (lzvtR)

445 Hey, going out to smoke, if I dont come back, The Jurassic park bugs have got me, I know you wont be that disappointed, but ca is right next to me, and NV is probably next to go, tee hee, but this shit is like the ocean, don't turn your backs on it.

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 09, 2012 09:40 PM (fHyXI)

446

Six bucks is the cheapest I can get a pack of cigs now. Back in 1987 I got em for $ 1.25. I remember freaking out when they went up to two bucks a pack.

----

I get mine for $1.25/pack, but have to roll each one. Incidentally, supposedly something like 9000 tobacco shops went out of business last friday thanks to a new tax in the highway bill.

Posted by: Hal Burton at July 09, 2012 09:40 PM (iYvMQ)

447 I remember when 25 cents from each of the four of us in my car gave us enough gas to 'cruise the main' pretty much all of Friday night, and cigarettes costing 45 cents a pack - about an hour's worth of babysitting money back then, my main source of income.

Posted by: Theresa at July 09, 2012 09:41 PM (36Yg+)

448 "Fat Is Officially Incurable (According to Science)"

Does this mean that we don't have to listen to Moochelle moan about obesity?

Posted by: Arms Merchant at July 09, 2012 09:41 PM (+XVQe)

449 455 if you cut way back on red meat you might need some iron.

Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 01:36 AM (ufJKx)

Yes I have. Lots of chicken breast.
Guess I should keep that in mind?

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 01:38 AM (4ixH5)

===

quick experiment - eat a steak. if it goes away, think about an iron supplement. it doesn't take much, and if that is the problem-- one steak will probably do it.

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 09:41 PM (ufJKx)

450

Suckers!!!

Even in a state run by the "Bath House Brown!" I have a place that sells for 5 bucks a pack.

Posted by: Richard at July 09, 2012 09:42 PM (fjxG4)

451 Yes. Posted by: cm9000 at July 10, 2012 01:39 AM (lzvtR) Whoopi Goldberg naked bad or Rosie O'Donnel naked bad?

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 09:42 PM (4ixH5)

452 eat a steak.

Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 01:41 AM (ufJKx)

You don't have to tell me twice.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 09:43 PM (4ixH5)

453 442 437
when did the 'new comments thingy' label go away?

I held out as long as I could, and offered" New Comments Thongy" as an alternative, but the dykes and trannies who really run this blog forced me to....oh, you don't wanna know.

Posted by: Ace at July 09, 2012 09:43 PM (pJbuO)

454 Diet? Never heard of it. I am one of those mutants that doesn't have to worry about that apparently. My Grandfather on my Mom's side was the same way, even at 99. I look just like him when he was my age. . Even the hair. That's another thing I don't have to worry about. We all have things that we have to struggle with throughout life. Weight just isn't one of mine. Oh, I was gonna mention the movie The Hunter that I saw tonight but I saw how much OFuckStickCare is going to cost me and lost the will. November! Make your presence known!

Posted by: LurkingAtHome at July 09, 2012 09:43 PM (MG6Y6)

455 I was gonna go buy some cigs, but the price was too high.
I was gonna roll my own instead, SCOAMF won't let us try.
He said I ain't gonna raise no tax,
I need to go on welfare just to get 2 packs,
He fucking lied, he fucking lied, he's a SCOAMF that lied.

Posted by: cigarettes too damn high at July 09, 2012 09:43 PM (c98sL)

456 >>>is it really bad when you start feeling light headed? Or is that just a sign I've not had enough of something or other? Typically low blood sugar. Can lead to delirium, passing out, keto acidosis, et al. Normally they recommend staying above the dizzy line.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 09, 2012 09:44 PM (GE1+K)

457 "Whoopi Goldberg naked bad or Rosie O'Donnel naked bad?"

Now you've stumped me.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 09, 2012 09:44 PM (lzvtR)

458 A message for "independents":

What you imagined in 2008 to be a beacon, a "lightworker" - that is not your savior. You are the target of Democratic looters ... The Wreckers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bkt51J7VNo

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 09, 2012 09:45 PM (1Phwr)

459 Ohhh lous a girl! I got something like that one evening when my brother was visiting from Chicago and figured he'd rather sack out on the Aerobed in my office than my Dad's guest room. Okay. Got him all settled, stupid dawg is all nose pointed at the closed office door, bend down behind the comfy chair in the living room to shut off the handsome lamp behind it and I see the biggest goddamn cockroach in the world!!! (Yes, you fucking pedants, I KNOW now it's not really a cockrach.) So, I try to remove it quietly (before dawg gets all excited) and the fucker starts FLYING! So, I squash/crunched that shit right down! And then... Moving grains of rice started to come out of the carapace. I shreiked like a little girl. My brother came racing out from his bed convinced someone was being murdered. To be fair, even though he still kids me about it, he was no less a fan of HAZMAT level vacuuming and changing of the bags at 12:30AM than I was.

Posted by: Deety at July 09, 2012 09:45 PM (A3t/H)

460 TO ARMS!!....TO ARMS!!!

Posted by: Richard at July 10, 2012 01:37 AM (fjxG4)

First they came for the big gulps, i did nothing, then cigs, i did nothing, then they came for the bacon!!

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 09, 2012 09:45 PM (fHyXI)

461

452

I remember one of those on wheels that would park outside the back of a bar. The cock-a-roach coach.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 09:46 PM (n8kwn)

462 Too damn true. When the State started taking care of child support back in the early `80s there was a significant rise in dead beat dads and propaganda thereof from the NOW types. Then it all became a jobs program like all other big gov BS. Of course they knew better.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 09:47 PM (VbDc+)

463 Whoopi Goldberg naked bad or Rosie O'Donnel naked bad?

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 01:42 AM (4ixH5)

both

Posted by: leroy brown at July 09, 2012 09:47 PM (ufJKx)

464 Can lead to delirium, Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 10, 2012 01:44 AM (GE1+K) So that time I was running around in bear skin underwear and a viking helmet wasn't a dream after all? Huh. Guess I should put on some pants while I'm at it.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 09:48 PM (4ixH5)

465

457

U da man!

I am just trying to find my game or Fa..FA..FLAME......until the CDR-M "Hell-Fires" my name....that may be a bit strong, yet I typed it with ALL the spaces...so maybe it be time to rest my cases...

Night to the Moron Horde

Posted by: Richard at July 09, 2012 09:49 PM (fjxG4)

466 >>>Guess I should put on some pants while I'm at it. What on the ont? The delirium has set in!!!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 09, 2012 09:49 PM (GE1+K)

467 Cockroach infestations were always a big problem when I lived in apartments in the SF Bay area. When I was married, the apartment complex we lived in had to be fumigated a couple of times a year because of them. That means packing up all your food and soft goods and covering them with plastic, and what a pain in the ass that was.

Posted by: Theresa at July 09, 2012 09:50 PM (36Yg+)

468

Remember when you could smoke in a bar?

Remember when you could smoke in a restaurant?

Remember when you could actually smoke in.....Sears?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 09:52 PM (n8kwn)

469 And then...

Moving grains of rice started to come out of the carapace.

Zerg larvae! Call in the Hellions!

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 09, 2012 09:52 PM (1Phwr)

470 Hmmm. we got no roaches. no rats. no snakes. no poisonous spiders. no buzzards. no crows.

but ........ we have a metric shitload of skeeters and some of them could carry you off.

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 09:54 PM (ufJKx)

471 Hell, I remember as a little kid going to the grocery store with my mom and seeing people walking up and down the aisles smoking cigarettes. A shortstuff like I was could get burned by someone's cig if we weren't watching where we were going.

Posted by: Theresa at July 09, 2012 09:54 PM (36Yg+)

472 482
Remember when you could smoke in a bar?
Remember when you could smoke in a restaurant?
Remember when you could actually smoke in.....Sears?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 10, 2012 01:52 AM (n8kwn)

Well, if ya go to a bar, expect someone to smoke. Sears I understand not so much. But dammit to hell, I should be able to smoke on my own porch.

But when the liberals tell me I shoukld accept every fucking ugly thing,but should not have my own opinion, Yeah, tired of it!

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 09, 2012 09:55 PM (fHyXI)

473

485

My Aunt burned me like that when I was a kid. She was freaked out and really sorry....but...ouch!

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 09:58 PM (n8kwn)

474

Before I go,

Today, yes THIS day, I can walk into an office of someone I work with and find a ornate glass ash tray on an equally ornate wooden stand with a Zippo lighter sitting on the corner of the desk, and like a Fav. Son of Johnny Carson, sit down in a big leather chair like the most favored guest, grab that Zippo and strike one up before talking about the events of the day!

Yes, I still have a place where I can smoke in an office....go figure????

On pain of death...I will NEVER tell!!

Now night all.

Posted by: Richard at July 09, 2012 10:04 PM (fjxG4)

475

486

I really don't have a problem with the nanny-state busybody crowd having certains regions of their own free from smoke, 32 oz sodas, and whatnot. I just wish there would be a guarantee that the rest of us could have a domain of our own, free from that kind of oversight.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 10:04 PM (n8kwn)

476 Good night, Richard!

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 10:05 PM (4ixH5)

477 482
Remember when you could smoke in a bar?
Remember when you could smoke in a restaurant?
Remember when you could actually smoke in.....Sears?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 10, 2012 01:52 AM (n8kwn)

I remember telling people that there was a simple solution to a simple "problem", have no smoking bars and resturants. Of course that was too simple, need government intervention.

THEY know better. hack-spit

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 10:06 PM (VbDc+)

478 I just wish there would be a guarantee that the rest of us could have a domain of our own, free from that kind of oversight.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 10, 2012 02:04 AM (n8kwn)

I like this idea. We could call their domain "Europe" and our domain "America".

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 10:06 PM (4ixH5)

479 The delirium has set in!!!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 10, 2012 01:49 AM (GE1+K)

I don't know what you're talking about, Batman.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 10:07 PM (4ixH5)

480

490

Night Robert.....

Posted by: Richard at July 09, 2012 10:09 PM (fjxG4)

481 Eh, Growing up poor kid of sucks and my Mom wasn't always the best but.... When we had to move to kind of a crappy apartment for the first time ever, my Mom was *outraged* by cockroaches. I don't know why I was there as an 8 yr. old, but I remember my Mom going to the leasing office with her complaint and being blandly told by a very pale and bored young thing behind the desk about the prevelance of the German strain of cockroaches in multi- housing units. "I don't give a DAMN what their NATIONALITY is! You get these bugs out of my house or I don't pay you RENT!" And thus, the whole systematic pest controll effort for Beau Bien Apartments eas begun in the '80's.

Posted by: Deety at July 09, 2012 10:09 PM (A3t/H)

482
I remember telling people that there was a simple solution to a simple "problem", have no smoking bars and resturants. Of course that was too simple, need government intervention.
THEY know better. hack-spit

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 10, 2012 02:06 AM (VbDc+)

Yeah, well they did that here in Vegas, and they tanked. These assholes dont want that, they want to tell us what to do! They want control, and sadly, they are winning!

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 09, 2012 10:12 PM (fHyXI)

483

491

They suggested that here in Dallas. The response was that non-smoking employees would be affected by second hand smoke.

The solution offered in return, but that fell on deaf ears, was that those people shouldn't work in smokey places if they don't like smoke, dammit.

Poltical correctness is the natural enemy of common sense.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 10:12 PM (n8kwn)

484 There are people who have lost a bunch of weight and kept it off for years. The National Weight Control Registry is tracking over 10,000 people who have lost at least 30lbs and have kept it off for over 1 year. 80% of the participants are women...average age 45, average weight 145. Average man is 49, with an average weight of 190. On average, registry members have lost about 70 pounds and kept it off for five and a half years when joining the registry! Common traits of the weight loss maintainers: They keep track of what they eat; They drink 6-8 glasses of water/day; They exercise (most walk) 45-60 minutes/day; They weigh themselves regularly (at least weekly); and they eat breakfast everyday.

Posted by: Stormy at July 09, 2012 10:12 PM (8J9h2)

485 492 I just wish there would be a guarantee that the rest of us could have a domain of our own, free from that kind of oversight.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 10, 2012 02:04 AM (n8kwn)

I like this idea. We could call their domain "Europe" and our domain "America".

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 02:06 AM (4ixH5)

====

or.... we could implement the stapler revolution!!!

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 10:13 PM (ufJKx)

486 Night all, yeah, still the drunk on the ont. Tee Hee. God Bless.

Posted by: lou's a girl at July 09, 2012 10:14 PM (fHyXI)

487 "Whoopi Goldberg naked bad or Rosie O'Donnel naked bad?"

****

Or pig in mud bad?

http://bit.ly/MyjQOD

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 09, 2012 10:14 PM (piMMO)

488 I'm having trouble visualizing just how this is supposed to have happened.... http://tinyurl.com/6pbjroh

Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 10:15 PM (kaalw)

489 Good night, Lou!

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 10:15 PM (4ixH5)

490

492

Yeah, I was under the impression that this "homeland" free from an over-bearing government was America. These jerks have a lot of other options as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 10:16 PM (n8kwn)

491 or.... we could implement the stapler revolution!!!

Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 02:13 AM (ufJKx)

We'll need to assemble a team of gorgeous women ala Charlie's Angels to go around stapling winkies to foreheads.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 10:16 PM (4ixH5)

492 http://bit.ly/MyjQOD

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 10, 2012 02:14 AM (piMMO)

I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 10:17 PM (4ixH5)

493 You get roaches because your neighbor didn`t get rid of theirs. You get bedbugs now because there fucking everywhere and brought in by those new voters, and they hitchhike.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 10:17 PM (VbDc+)

494 http://tinyurl.com/6pbjroh

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2012 02:15 AM (kaalw)

That's the cops' story and he's sticking to it.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 10:18 PM (4ixH5)

495 These jerks have a lot of other options as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 10, 2012 02:16 AM (n8kwn)

Antarctica, for one.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 10:19 PM (4ixH5)

496 http://tinyurl.com/d98ejao

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 10:20 PM (ufJKx)

497 "Whoopi Goldberg naked bad or Rosie O'Donnel naked bad?"

Together in a burning bed?

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 10:21 PM (VbDc+)

498 http://tinyurl.com/d98ejao

Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 02:20 AM (ufJKx)

fapfapfapfapfapfapfap

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 10:21 PM (4ixH5)

499 http://tinyurl.com/3jjajz6

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 10:21 PM (ufJKx)

500 Together in a burning bed?

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 10, 2012 02:21 AM (VbDc+)

Now that's what I call a hunka hunka burnin' love.

Thankyewverymuch!

Posted by: Elvis Presley at July 09, 2012 10:22 PM (4ixH5)

501 http://tinyurl.com/3jjajz6

Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 02:21 AM (ufJKx)

I was told that I could listen to the radio at a reasonable volume from nine to eleven, I told Bill that if Sandra is going to listen to her headphones while she's filing then I should be able to listen to the radio while I'm collating so I don't see why I should have to turn down the radio because I enjoy listening at a reasonable volume from nine to eleven.

Posted by: Milton at July 09, 2012 10:23 PM (4ixH5)

502 513 http://tinyurl.com/3jjajz6

Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 02:21 AM (ufJKx)

Hey, how'd you get a picture of me?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 09, 2012 10:25 PM (kaalw)

503 this one is for sanfrannan.

http://tinyurl.com/blsqnso

I figger that saggy old winkie will need some pretty good holding power. of course she could probably stay in a comfortable position and it would still reach her forehead. but the good news is it would cover her face.

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 10:26 PM (ufJKx)

504 A little weight related mood music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mU6USTBRE

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 09, 2012 10:27 PM (XYqoq)

505 Hey, how'd you get a picture of me?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2012 02:25 AM (kaalw)

Would you agree with the statement that it doesn't get any better than when Michael Bolton sings When A Man Loves A Woman?

Posted by: Milton at July 09, 2012 10:27 PM (4ixH5)

506

Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 02:26 AM (ufJKx)

Welding torch for my money. A good weld is what she needs.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 10:29 PM (4ixH5)

507 Good night all. Enjoyed the thread tonight.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at July 09, 2012 10:29 PM (n8kwn)

508 tempted to order another 3 films from barnes and nobel

Posted by: The Dude at July 09, 2012 10:31 PM (tw6Ar)

509 Good night, Reggie!

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 10:31 PM (4ixH5)

510 Anyone check in from beautiful SW Wa. state yet? If not I'm reporting for duty!

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at July 09, 2012 10:33 PM (xMU3a)

511 Well the drought and heat wave broke here where I`m at in Colorado. Got some rain Thursday night, some Friday, then bottem dropped out Sat afternoon night and more rain Sunday and Monday morn. Measured about 6" here at the house in Wheat Ridge (west Denver metro), 70`s high and 58-60 low, that`s ending, going to high 80`s and mid 90`s, low 60`s at night though. That`s why I like it here.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 10:35 PM (VbDc+)

512 As far as the "non-smokers" who are clamoring for jobs bar-tending? Well... Fuck you precious! It occured to me in my 20's that plumbing, hell HVAC might be a job worth getting into. Except for all of the hot dirty grunt work undeneath and on top of people's houses and the FACT that I can't personally wrassle more than 80# on a bad day, with help, and leverage.

Posted by: Deety at July 09, 2012 10:39 PM (A3t/H)

513 the good little nannystater was snug in his bed. little did he know that the winkie stapler revolution was brewing.

SLAM!!! the door flew open with a mighty crash. the itty bitty little tweezers glared in the glow of the flashlight. suddenly he felt himself crumpled into a tight little heap. Only then did see the magnifying glass and feel the cold pinch of the tweezers.

THWAP THWAP!!! itty bitty winkie stapled directly to forehead.

"Take that you Obese Police Asshole!!!!"

And with that .... poof -- the stapler vengence squad was gone into the night, searching for the next dickhead to actually turn into a ... well, you know .... a dickhead.

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 10:39 PM (ufJKx)

514 Eat broccoli or pay a tax you damned fatties!

Posted by: John Roberts at July 09, 2012 10:40 PM (XYqoq)

515 I wonder how many Denny's, IHOP! and Waffle House waitresses that used to work the 12AM - 4AM shift went on unemployment after AZsaid no one could smoke anywhete?

Posted by: Deety at July 09, 2012 10:43 PM (A3t/H)

516

Posted by: Deety at July 10, 2012 02:43 AM (A3t/H)

one thing I love being where I am, 3 different carhops that stay open till 3AM.

Posted by: The Dude at July 09, 2012 10:46 PM (tw6Ar)

517 And with that .... poof -- the stapler vengence squad was gone into the night, searching for the next dickhead to actually turn into a ... well, you know .... a dickhead. Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 02:39 AM (ufJKx) Your mission, should you choose to accept it... http://tinyurl.com/2fla6m

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 10:49 PM (4ixH5)

518 Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 02:49 AM (4ixH5)

===

wow. we're gonna need some really dinky nanotweezers and an electron microscope.

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 10:51 PM (ufJKx)

519 My old sports bar hang out in Westminster CO used to have a sign- Our No Smoking Area Is In Boulder- came back out here in 2009 and you cant smoke there anymore, outside how long is that going to last. Cant smoke in your vehicle in Boulder, I say fuck that and do it anyway.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 10:52 PM (VbDc+)

520

Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 02:39 AM (ufJKx)

Howdy jc, that`s a funny

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 10:57 PM (VbDc+)

521 hmm Fallout + Black Knight from Holy Grail
http://tinyurl.com/cx2rzgm

Posted by: The Dude at July 09, 2012 10:59 PM (tw6Ar)

522 wow. we're gonna need some really dinky nanotweezers and an electron microscope. Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 02:51 AM (ufJKx)

And that's after he's perused through a stack of Penthouse mags.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 11:00 PM (4ixH5)

523 And that's after he's perused through a stack of Penthouse mags. An empathetic urban Penthouse or a selfish, lizard hearted suburban Penthouse?

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 09, 2012 11:05 PM (qmMAj)

524 Hey Rightly, Hey Adriane

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 11:07 PM (ufJKx)

525

I just can`t figure out why they don`t want me smokin`.

When they want me Dead.

And on that piece of Redneck logic, I shall say goodnight to you good people, tip my hat and say stranger pass by.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 09, 2012 11:11 PM (VbDc+)

526 *Nabs Adriane*

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 11:13 PM (4ixH5)

527 Night, rightly ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 09, 2012 11:13 PM (qmMAj)

528 nightly, rightly

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 11:14 PM (ufJKx)

529 *Pokes* the commenter formerly known as the verb Bob ... Been washing down the walls in the laundry room. Getting ready to touch up the paint and lay tile ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 09, 2012 11:15 PM (qmMAj)

530 Glory be, It's jc.

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 09, 2012 11:16 PM (qmMAj)

531 Good night, Rightly!

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 11:17 PM (4ixH5)

532 Getting ready to touch up the paint and lay tile ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 03:15 AM (qmMAj)

*Tries with all his might to not turn this into an innuendo*

So, catch any interesting critters? Monitor lizards? Kimodo dragons?

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 11:20 PM (4ixH5)

533 544 Glory be,
It's jc.

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 03:16 AM (qmMAj)

===

team leader xxB2 of the f/w stapler vengeance squad.

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 11:22 PM (ufJKx)

534 x_x

Posted by: Master Splinter caught in Adriane's traps at July 09, 2012 11:24 PM (4ixH5)

535 Robert - Hope things are going well down your way. Need to do some light sanding, rinse, vacuum, and rent the tile cutter ASAP. Maybe get one of those pneumatic tube things rigged from here to Home Depot. They could shoot me whatever over the tube ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 09, 2012 11:24 PM (qmMAj)

536 I caught a kimono dragon once. Took 3 different antibiotics to finally ride me of the after affects ... and the left eye still twitches when I get to close to the wasabi at the sushi place ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 09, 2012 11:27 PM (qmMAj)

537 Maybe get one of those pneumatic tube things rigged from here to Home Depot. They could shoot me whatever over the tube ... Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 03:24 AM (qmMAj) Like one of those tubes in Futurama?

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 11:27 PM (4ixH5)

538 *Flies through tube headfirst into a brick wall*

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 11:28 PM (4ixH5)

539 jc - I have colored staples in the office supply box somewhere between the new old house and the old new house. Happy to donate to the cause!!!!

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 09, 2012 11:28 PM (qmMAj)

540

Hi, Night Owls! -

Here's something to burn your bacon, and not in a good way. I caught the first episode of a new show a few hours ago. I forget the name, but it has that girl in it who was the girlfriend on the show Psych, for about a season. This show seems to want to cash in on something that has similarities to Psych, but (unlike Psych) has some messaging issues.

The show is about a professor with special insights (this time into how the mind works), and the big part of his character is that he's mentally ill - that he literally has delusions, where he sees people who aren't there, and has conversations with them (and this proves to be helpful). The main bad message is that he lectures at some point about how sometimes mentally ill people (obviously like himself) are really just better off staying their naturally crazy self. What can one say, but ... OMG!!!

But the really annoying spot was where they used a mental patient as a "human lie detector" - a person with the uncanny ability to detect minute variations in speaking patterns that expose the lie, and then the person (due to some made-up malady) would giggle as they witness the lie. OK, that's just lame, so far, but where they crossed the line is that they show the guy just happening to watch a clip of "W" as he speaks his famous line about yellowcake - which is supposed to demostrate this guy's ability to detect lies as his giggles after W's line. Again, OMG. These idiots probably don't even realize that you have to be living in the liberal cacoon to accept that as a quintessential lie. (As a pretense to balance, they also showed him giggling at some clip of Clinton later, but I'm not sure that one was even audible.)

You know, when my liberal buddy made that accusation way back when, I looked into it with an open mind (politicians lie!) and quickly learned that the whole sentence was demonstrably true. Anything that has come out since then (notably during the Plame bit) has only confirmed it. What a bunch of liberal a-holes!

Posted by: Optimizer at July 09, 2012 11:29 PM (As94z)

541 Heyo. Is the crowd trying to digitally piss on each other finally asleep?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 11:29 PM (bxiXv)

542 Like one of those tubes in Futurama? Yeah! Except rotoscoped by Ralph Bakshi and not just animated ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 09, 2012 11:31 PM (qmMAj)

543 What a bunch of liberal a-holes! Posted by: Optimizer at July 10, 2012 03:29 AM (As94z) We got it, you didn't need to be redundant. The whole Plame/Downing Street/Yellowcake period was when I *should* have known, absolutely, that there was no reconciliation. I guess maybe I knew it then, but my memories of people are a little rose-colored.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 11:32 PM (bxiXv)

544 Posted by: Optimizer at July 10, 2012 03:29 AM (As94z) All I ever watch any more is repeats of That Metal Show and whatever I can grab on DVD.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 11:32 PM (4ixH5)

545
Is the crowd trying to digitally piss on each other finally asleep?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 10, 2012 03:29 AM (bxiXv)

I missed it?

Posted by: S&M Fanatic at July 09, 2012 11:32 PM (4ixH5)

546 Except rotoscoped by Ralph Bakshi and not just animated ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 03:31 AM (qmMAj)

I'm not sure if I'd be willing to do that many drugs to ride a tube.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 11:34 PM (4ixH5)

547 Is the crowd trying to digitally piss on each other finally asleep?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 10, 2012 03:29 AM (bxiXv)

===

were they using NPN or PNP?

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 11:37 PM (ufJKx)

548 I'm not sure if I'd be willing to do that many drugs to ride a tube. Not drugs, exactly ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizards_(film)

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 09, 2012 11:37 PM (qmMAj)

549 I missed it? Posted by: S&M Fanatic at July 10, 2012 03:32 AM (4ixH5) Right after the thread started. It was like Golden Showers of Hate. I'm waiting for a "Diet / Circumcision / Abortion / RINO vs. Purist" thread. I'd almost bet it would have more bodies on the floor than an 80s Schwarzenegger movie.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 11:38 PM (bxiXv)

550 I'm waiting for a "Diet / Circumcision / Abortion / RINO vs. Purist" thread. I'd almost bet it would have more bodies on the floor than an 80s Schwarzenegger movie. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 10, 2012 03:38 AM (bxiXv) We can't just wait for these things to happen. Be proactive! Make it happen!

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 11:39 PM (4ixH5)

551

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 03:37 AM (qmMAj)

I've seen Bakshi's LOTR (I ahve it on VHS as a matter of fact) and a little bit of Fritz the Cat, but otherwise? Nada.

Posted by: Robert at July 09, 2012 11:40 PM (4ixH5)

552 557 What a bunch of liberal a-holes!
Posted by: Optimizer at July 10, 2012 03:29 AM (As94z)

We got it, you didn't need to be redundant.

The whole Plame/Downing Street/Yellowcake period was when I *should* have known, absolutely, that there was no reconciliation.

I guess maybe I knew it then, but my memories of people are a little rose-colored.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 10, 2012 03:32 AM (bxiXv)

===

actually it became really clear to me shortly after 911 when I could see the assholes squirming searching for their next opportunity to drop their faux patriotism and find an avenue of attack. anyone that will deliberately lose a war for a domestic political advantage is someone truly special.

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 11:41 PM (ufJKx)

553 were they using NPN or PNP? Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 03:37 AM (ufJKx) They're both bipolar, but the NPN is a three-way because two diodes share an anode. Bow chicka bow wow. Yeah, I totally studied hard in electronics.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 11:42 PM (bxiXv)

554 Man, I used to go up to Prescott, AZ with this dude I was "Mentoring in 2ndary Mathematics". He wanted to be a coach and a HS Math teacher. They honestly don't *have* anyone who understands basic Calculus, or Algebra or Geometry for all of theier eco-science degrees. Anyway, he would spend his days eating bran-muffins anf sipping chai with the rest of the dirty hippies (academic requirement) whilst I would go ride horsies in the Featherstone Mountains. End of day, we wiuld meet up with his fellow classmates who didn't reek of patchouli and go to a saloon and some of us might bet horsies (math its fractions!). The day that tourist toen said I can't smoke where I drink and bet was the day I was done with them. Turns out ALL of AZ voted themselves stupid the next year. What do you non-smokers get out of this? Yeah sure Applebee's was already there for you. Some dive bar you would never even enter? Why do THEY have to be NS too?

Posted by: Deety at July 09, 2012 11:44 PM (A3t/H)

555 anyone that will deliberately lose a war for a domestic political advantage is someone truly special. Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 03:41 AM (ufJKx) Once you realize something like the left's penchant to invert morality, you see it *everywhere*. I could recognize it, but Evan Sayet codified it for me. Props to da man.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 11:45 PM (bxiXv)

556 I even invented an electronic principle: Bogosity. A circuit is bogus to the extent that its total resistance is greater than the combined resistance of its components. The excess is the bogosity. A circuit that has less resistance than its components is cool. And effing Obama gets the Nobel. Figures.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 11:49 PM (bxiXv)

557

Yeah, the term "liberal a-hole" has a certain redundancy to it, and I noticed that, but it seemed to help to emphasize it.

The thing that really got me about it is that this there FIRST show - where they're trying to win people over to hopefully get a good start on a long series run. To throw stuff in on Day One that could piss people off is just stupid. So - like I said - I think they just don't even realize that they're even saying something controvertial.

On the whole, the show was generally well-done, and entertaining. But the part about it being OK to be crazy (and there were other places where they defended other crazy people in the show and "just because they're crazy, it doesn't mean they're wrong) is too much, and the anti-Bush swipe was outrageous.

My wife's bipolar cousin is currently in jail for getting drunk and beating his wife in front of the kids, in the wake of years worth of spouting crazy nonsense, so I'm not in the mood to hear about how unfair it is to "stigmatize" the mentally ill. Nobody would even bail the guy out, because they all knew he would do something crazy, and their bail money would be forfeit. One of the kids wakes up creaming at night because she's afraid daddy will break out of jail and try to kill her.

Posted by: Optimizer at July 09, 2012 11:49 PM (As94z)

558 I've seen Bakshi's LOTR (I ahve it on VHS as a matter of fact) and a little bit of Fritz the Cat, but otherwise? Nada.

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 03:40 AM (4ixH5)

wow, Wizards, Coonskin and Fire and Ice are all worth watching

Posted by: The Dude at July 09, 2012 11:51 PM (tw6Ar)

559 To throw stuff in on Day One that could piss people off is just stupid. So - like I said - I think they just don't even realize that they're even saying something controvertial. Posted by: Optimizer at July 10, 2012 03:49 AM (As94z) On average I'd say it's more likely they know it, did it on purpose, would deny it, and expect to get away with it because everyone else does. They do it in movies, on TV, even in freaking video games (asshole Canadian developers - from now on I'm checking the address of the developers before buying a game). They slip in barbs because they expect the right to shrug it off because we're used to it, from the constant barrage from the asshole left (redundancy again).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 11:52 PM (bxiXv)

560 But the part about it being OK to be crazy (and there were other places where they defended other crazy people in the show and "just because they're crazy, it doesn't mean they're wrong) Posted by: Optimizer at July 10, 2012 03:49 AM (As94z) This is a common theme on the left too. For some reason they associate crazy with creative, and think being "out of control" is good. Anyone educated in colleges knows this, especially in the humanities. Actual crazy is horrifying, for the victim of the condition and for those around them. It's not funny and it's not cute. It's somehow related to nihilistic tendencies, but frankly, once you get to that level of self-destruction, I don't even *want* to understand it. Notice how many of their cultural icons are destructive and irrational. They fetishize it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 11:56 PM (bxiXv)

561 They slip in barbs because they expect the right to shrug it off because we're used to it, from the constant barrage from the asshole left (redundancy again).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 10, 2012 03:52 AM (bxiXv)

===

the are all just boredom workers. we don't actually NEED them for anything. we can cure our own fucking boredom. we all need to stop paying them one damn dime. they might still be rich, but they are going to be a lot less rich without the money of the people they freely and knowingly choose to insult.

I took the cable boxes back cuz of HBO. I told the 20-something clerk exactly why I did it and asked her to pass it along. she looked pretty stunned. but, if 600 people do that per cable office, they are going to start to notice.

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 11:56 PM (ufJKx)

562 Notice how many of their cultural icons are destructive and irrational. They fetishize it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 10, 2012 03:56 AM (bxiXv)

===

that's cuz self-loathing is a defining characteristic. almost all of the environmental movement has degenerated into an orgy of self-hate projected onto you.

Posted by: jc at July 09, 2012 11:58 PM (ufJKx)

563 Over the years I've threatened to call my self trans-species - I'm a unicorn trapped in a human body. I demand all stores and public areas be equipt with hay and sugar cubes ... and apples.

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 12:00 AM (qmMAj)

564 Apples are packed with sugar and carbs.

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 12:01 AM (4ixH5)

565 wow, Wizards, Coonskin and Fire and Ice are all worth watching

Posted by: The Dude at July 10, 2012 03:51 AM (tw6Ar)

Think I've head of Coonskin. Pissed off quite a few people I understand.

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 12:02 AM (4ixH5)

566 And on that note ... Chairs are for sitting, Rails are for splitting, Needles are for knitting, And Hay is for hitting... Good NIght all. Early rise tomorrow.

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 12:03 AM (qmMAj)

567 Think I've head of Coonskin. Pissed off quite a few people I understand.

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 04:02 AM (4ixH5)

yeah, it does a bit of a scattershot in shitting on everyone

Posted by: The Dude at July 10, 2012 12:04 AM (tw6Ar)

568 Good night, Adriane! May you have sweet dreams of Ben Browder sitting in a pile of hay and knitting after a long day of splitting rails.

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 12:04 AM (4ixH5)

569 Apples are packed with sugar and carbs. Are you oppressin' me with your human dietary standards!?! Speciesist!

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 12:04 AM (qmMAj)

570 shitting on everyone

Posted by: The Dude at July 10, 2012 04:04 AM (tw6Ar)

Go on.

Posted by: S&M Fanatic at July 10, 2012 12:05 AM (4ixH5)

571 Uhm, Optimizer, that show sounds really fucking offensive. Spend just a few weeks with the denizens of your local county mental health facility and you wil be moved to tears by the truly disabled. They don't have any INSIGHT! Some of theme ARE exceptionally sensitive, I think but it is a buden they can't bear. Many of them can't even function for mote than 30 min. in a closely monitored, heavily medicated small group withoit just straight losing their shit. It's not magical, it's not "a different perspective". It's just sad. The profoundly mentally ill, are not happy people. No matter what shit Ken Keysey and Hubbard shoveled down your throats.

Posted by: Deety at July 10, 2012 12:05 AM (A3t/H)

572 night, adriane. here's to a productive day in the AM.

Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 12:05 AM (ufJKx)

573 Speciesist!

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 04:04 AM (qmMAj)

If unicorns get rights soon we'll be giving rights to the griffins and hydras!

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 12:07 AM (4ixH5)

574 Robert at July 10, 2012 04:04 AM (4ixH5) Go to bed happy, I will ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 12:08 AM (qmMAj)

575

"NPN or PNP?"

You're killin' me guys; I studied EE, and my kid is in college studying the same. I'm aggravated with myself at not know when one is used vs. the other, but I digress...

You know Psych has their stupid Green thing, but they do it right, keeping it very low-key. The worst they ever did was have Carlton sneer about Global Warming, while the "correcting" him that it "is real". Carlton is like the American Eagle on the Muppets, or Jon Stewart's alter ego - caracatures that make fun of the law-abiding and patriotic. Ironically, the whole theme of the series makes a complete joke of government bureaucrats.

Another case I remember was a little different. Somewhere in one of the X-Files movies, Mulder and Scully pause, look at a picture of "W" on the wall, and the X-Files theme is played. There is no connection to the theme of the movie, whatsoever, and I guess you have to be a SEVERELY whacked-out liberal to even GET whatever the joke supposedly is. It just doesn't make sense to alienate a part of your audience for no reason.

Posted by: Optimizer at July 10, 2012 12:10 AM (As94z)

576 Go to bed happy, I will ... Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 04:08 AM (qmMAj) Oh, I bet you will. I bet you will.

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 12:10 AM (4ixH5)

577 The profoundly mentally ill, are not happy people. Even the not so profoundly mentally ill are unhappy as many know that they can't keep up with their brothers and sisters ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 12:11 AM (qmMAj)

578 Go on.

Posted by: S&M Fanatic at July 10, 2012 04:05 AM (4ixH5)

http://tinyurl.com/5u6dnp

and shit isn't part of S&M, it's a different subset of kink

Posted by: The Dude at July 10, 2012 12:11 AM (tw6Ar)

579 We're here! We're fucking scary looking! Get used to it!

Posted by: Manticores United at July 10, 2012 12:12 AM (4ixH5)

580 The Dude at July 10, 2012 04:11 AM (tw6Ar) not clicking ... Never gonna run around and desert you ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 12:13 AM (qmMAj)

581

Posted by: The Dude at July 10, 2012 04:11 AM (tw6Ar)

Heh, thank goodness for the work block.

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 12:13 AM (4ixH5)

582 Never gonna run around and desert you ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 04:13 AM (qmMAj)

What about desserting you?

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 12:14 AM (4ixH5)

583 What about desserting you? That's what Browder and the Chocolate Box is for ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 12:15 AM (qmMAj)

584 Violets are blue, Roses are red, For the first time in a long while, ONT is close to 600 ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 12:16 AM (qmMAj)

585 Browder ala mode? Adriane's never getting to sleep at this rate.

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 12:17 AM (4ixH5)

586 Six hunnerd!

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 12:17 AM (4ixH5)

587 not clicking ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 04:13 AM (qmMAj)

it's just the dookie scene from No Holds Barred

Posted by: The Dude at July 10, 2012 12:18 AM (tw6Ar)

588 Good Night, Dude, Deety, Optimizer, Robert, jc ... Really need that laundry room done, so thanks for the good wishes...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 10, 2012 12:19 AM (qmMAj)

589 Good night, Adriane!

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 12:19 AM (4ixH5)

590

@585

Yes, it occurred to me also that they were actually being somewhat cruel towards the mentally ill in doing this show. (Naturally, these are the SAME folks who are always claiming to be so caring and compasionate toward their fellow man that they're willing to take other people's money by force to apply to charity).

To make it MORE outrageous, they literally advertised something on their web site that give a futher in-depth discussion of one of the maladies that was part of the current episode. So they're putting lipstick on that pig, calling it "education" - so it's OK!

But to elaborate, the hallucinations the guys sees are protrayed as manifestations of his ingenious subconscious mind, who appear like ghosts in other shows to give him hints and clues to send him on the right path to solving the crime. You could say it's less offensive what it's made-up crap, like ghosts (although I find that stuff to be pretty stupid, myself). It wouldn't be so bad, except for the lengthy lecture on how the meds are "a miracle" for many people, but for a few they're just keeping people from being their special selves (he explains that he can't think straight on his meds.) Wow.

Posted by: Optimizer at July 10, 2012 12:23 AM (As94z)

591 It just doesn't make sense to alienate a part of your audience for no reason. Posted by: Optimizer at July 10, 2012 04:10 AM (As94z) Bill Ayers wanted to execute us all. Some smug liberal I defriended from FB wanted us all to suffocate for whatever idiot reason. You think they're worried about alienating you? They want you dead. Sure, most of them would never get their dander high enough to kill anyone, they're mostly bluster. But a lefty goes off on a plot to murder with surprising regularity. So, frankly, I don't think insulting us is high on their concern meter. Some of them also, as you suggested, are so inured in their ideology that they really don't think anyone would disagree with them. Their reaction to reasoned argument is shocked denial that such things can be.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 10, 2012 12:27 AM (bxiXv)

592 Their reaction to reasoned argument is shocked denial that such things can be.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 10, 2012 04:27 AM (bxiXv)

====

Yeah. But at least they are fulla shit. So they got that going for them.

Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 12:29 AM (ufJKx)

593 Bill Ayers wanted to execute us all. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 10, 2012 04:27 AM (bxiXv) Dammit, everyone always forgets me.

Posted by: Bernadine Dohrn at July 10, 2012 12:32 AM (4ixH5)

594 http://tinyurl.com/6ta7v59 *Cough*

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 12:34 AM (4ixH5)

595

#605

Your comments apply in general - and are especially evident with the unbridaled narcissism and arrogance of our current president, but the TV business is extremely competitive, and all about ratings. You show's gonna get cancelled if you turn away potential audience members.

I think the best theory is that nobody in their little world ever questions them when they spew this crap. It is normal, accepted discourse. My liberal buddy thinks of himself as "just normal", and gave us this line of BS (that he probably beloeved himself) that he was all about fiscal solvency. Naturally, now that Obama is the king of deficits, he's an Obama supporter anyway, last I heard. I've really lost patience with the guy. He even came up a reason for supposedly registering as a Republican that was so bizarre and nonsensical, that I can't remember. It disturbs me, because he was among the few mathematically competent people there, so you would think there would be some sort of intellectual rigor to the argument - even if based on bad axioms - not chaotic nonsense.

Well, I better sign off, myself. 'Night all!

Posted by: Optimizer at July 10, 2012 12:43 AM (As94z)

596 gotta hit it Kids. CYA.

Posted by: jc at July 10, 2012 12:44 AM (ufJKx)

597 Chatty crew tonight. Off to work. sorry I've been in lurk mode, but day shift and ONT don't mix well. Later, morons.

Posted by: DC in Towson at July 10, 2012 12:45 AM (N/WI2)

598 Good night, JC!

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 12:47 AM (4ixH5)

599 Hi, DC.

Bye, DC.

Posted by: Robert at July 10, 2012 12:47 AM (4ixH5)

600 G'Night Adriane! (No! I am *not* "teh ghey Walton behind the cross-eyed goat" referenced in the last thread, why do you ask?

Posted by: Deety at July 10, 2012 12:50 AM (A3t/H)

601 Bullshit. You stop eating junk carbs and the weight falls off you. No sugar, no starches, lose weight. Period.

Posted by: RokShox at July 10, 2012 01:05 AM (r2y+f)

602

Eat saturated, mono-unsaturated, or a preponderance of w-3 polyunsaturated fat and protein with green leafy vegetables (~12% caloric intake) and you will lose weight, correct dislipidemia, correct metabolic syndrome, and cure auto-immune dysfunction leading to cancer and heart disease.

Or don't and die young.

Posted by: RokShox at July 10, 2012 01:15 AM (r2y+f)

603 OK, used to could link youtube. now just copy past the // and paste . Can anyone train me how or tell me wtf I do wrong.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,but don`t shoot the ponies) at July 10, 2012 01:53 AM (VbDc+)

604 NYC -- Mayor Michael Bloomberg wants to develop a Manhattan lot into 300 square foot micro-unit apartments. The Bloomberg program would overturn a 1987 requirement that new Manhattan apartments be at least 400 square feet.

Posted by: Dance, dammitt!! at July 10, 2012 02:27 AM (BAnPT)

605 @253 - gawd I wish I would have stuck around for that one. Conservatives obey laws that are perfectly constitutional, like speed limits. They are pro-life and so they don't put other peoples lives at risk who are obeying the law just because they want to get somewhere 30 seconds quicker. Your statement earlier about staying back a safe distance when coming up on slower traffic until you can pass is the correct one. But that's not what the people I'm talking do. Why do you want to be so much like barky with your "I'm above the law" attitude? Why are you such a poor planner that you have to break the law to get where you're going on time. And if it just bothers you to drive that slow (the speed limit) I'm sure you could find some Dr that could help you with that.

Posted by: teej at July 10, 2012 02:35 AM (AiZkN)

606 434 - instead of any vegetable oils/seed oils, I use a few different things - butter, ghee, coconut oil, avocado oil, lard, tallow (either beef or lamb). For the last two try to find lard that is pastured and beef/lamb tallow that is grass fed. Same goes for the butter. They all have much better omega 3/omega 6 ratios and can be digested by our bodies.

Posted by: AlanH at July 10, 2012 02:37 AM (vduIg)

607 Morning Morons. Debbie Waazaman Schultz thinks demanding Mitt's income tax returns is a winning issue. We cold snark about Obama' transcripts, birth certificate, on and on. But what about "Debbie's" chromosome test results, hmmm???

Posted by: CoolCzech at July 10, 2012 02:42 AM (niZvt)

608 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 10, 2012 03:19 AM (sTQDb)

609 Gotta call you on this one.

IF I work out every day, become muscle bound, look like, say, Barry Sanders (3% body fat), I'd be considered "obese" by the BMI.

So when people do physical labor, they might lose fat percentages, but they'll pick up muscle mass, and our government will consider them "fat" -- and instruct them to lose weight.

Posted by: geek49203 at July 10, 2012 04:00 AM (Tad30)

610 Whaddaya mean intestinal parasites have vanished? 30 percent of this country is still liberal.

Posted by: Fur Trapper Strictly from Commercial at July 10, 2012 04:15 AM (nQCPF)

611 IF I work out every day, become muscle bound, look like, say, Barry Sanders (3% body fat), I'd be considered "obese" by the BMI. So when people do physical labor, they might lose fat percentages, but they'll pick up muscle mass, and our government will consider them "fat" -- and instruct them to lose weight. Posted by: geek49203 at July 10, 2012 08:00 AM (Tad30) The BMI index is complete bullshit. In the Marine Corps, I was a young stud bodybuilder who could not make W/H tables at 6'-1 1/2"/255lbs., but I had a 31-33" waist (depending on cutting cycle), 21 inch arms and a 51" Chest and ran a max PFT. This was before they did the tape for BMI. We had a second measure called "presents a military appearance." The skipper would certify that someone who didn't meet W/H did present a military appearance. That being said, we had some slacker S/Sgt types who could actually meet W/H table and had serious Staff Club beer guts. Depending on the CO, they were in trouble. I never had a problem with it. When I was overseas, I met a guy who competed on the Marine Corps Powerlifting Team. He had to get waiver from HQMC because he physically could not do a by-the-book pull-up. His chest was too big. Things were different then. .....and better. I so miss Reagan and the Air Wing........

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at July 10, 2012 04:38 AM (nQCPF)

612 The Amish are exempt from Obamacare.

Posted by: Gerry at July 10, 2012 05:30 AM (tLadi)

613 Oh, and Jean Miro is a crappy painter who proves the lack of discernment and taste in the art community. His work is utter crap.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2012 05:53 AM (r4wIV)

614 I lost 37 pounds in early 2011 and I am still at 190 (down from 227.) I also went from 10 push up ad 15 situps daily to 105 and 340. Desire for an unattainable woman helps keep the weight off. If the opportunity ever arises I have to be ready. Not gonna happen but in the mean time, at least I look good again.
To recap:
Fat, Infatuation, lose weight, work out, remain infatuated, keep fat off, listen to Romeo and Juliet by Dire Straits over and over ad over and over and, wait, am I still typing?.

Posted by: Mac Gootbone at July 10, 2012 05:56 AM (XCSw/)

615 As one of the freaks, I must say that although I cannot argue with the article, I want to encourage people that weight loss can be maintained. I am going on my fourth year of being very lean after having been a fat bastard. I went from 250 to 170, and while I weigh about 190 today, I am doing body building, so most of the weight gain is pure muscle. I am definitely trim. You can do it to. Limit carbs. Build muscle.

Posted by: doug at July 10, 2012 06:25 AM (I6iFS)

616 Well, I'll be damned. If science says it it must be true. (Except for when it's not true and then they have to reverse or revise it and then just explain that the "science evolved.") Funny. I'm 30 and weigh 175. When I was 25 I weighed 312. But go science!

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at July 10, 2012 06:36 AM (a/Pps)

617 Exceptions prove the rule, guys.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2012 08:25 AM (r4wIV)

618 The statistics of keeping weight off once you've lost it are depressing. I do want to suggest that if you're physically capable of running - do it. It's very effective for weight loss and as for me, it's inspired me to eat much healthier. I know what feel like when I've eaten too much and then have to get back out and run the next day. And! I took up running at the young age of 48. You can do it. (I hope.) It truly sucks for a while, though.

Posted by: Darcy at July 10, 2012 08:59 AM (+Z6FM)

619 Also: watch the "white devils" as a friend calls them. Carbs. I can't go extremely low carb, but I have cut my carbs in half at least. Good luck to all who keep trying. The quality of life is worth it.

Posted by: Darcy at July 10, 2012 09:03 AM (+Z6FM)

620 The idea that a 5'10" man is "overweight" is absolute INSANITY. I am 5'10". In 2004 I went on Atkins for a solid 6 months. Dropped from 220# to 185#. There is no way for me to weight less than 185# and still be a healthy person. NOT.POSSIBLE.

Yet these tools want to consider me at my absolute fittest as still "overweight". The entire "obesity" industry needs to shut the fuck up and gain a little perspective. Stop treating half the population like they are giant fat pigs and start focusing on people who are actually unhealthy and VERY overweight.

Posted by: deadrody at July 10, 2012 09:25 AM (2NNWw)

621

I was 6'1" and wieghed 160 and was fully healthy. So yes you COULD lose weight.

Posted by: doug at July 10, 2012 10:42 AM (Lf1Ga)

622 No one else has mentioned it, so I will: if you're really up against the wall and struggling with significant overeating (and you've done the commercial diet plans and programs), you can try Overeaters Anonymous, which is modeled on Alcoholics Anonymous. They're a peer support group that is free of charge, is in every US city, and can help when no one else can. Google the name, then look for a meeting in your town. They also have online and phone meetings.

Ciao, all. :-)

Posted by: Beverly at July 10, 2012 10:59 PM (2PnJp)

623 Also re Overeaters Anonymous:

They would agree with the premise of this post. Compulsive overeaters can't stop without extra help, just like alcoholics were considered hopeless cases before AA (in fact, with a 100% recidivism rate, alcoholics were not even allowed into hospitals back in the day).

Google the phrase "Is OA for you?" and you'll find the short quiz with traits of compulsive overeaters (IOW, the hardcore).

Posted by: Beverly at July 10, 2012 11:03 PM (2PnJp)

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