December 08, 2012
— CDR M
The Fiscal Cliff And The Alinsky President.
When one strictly adheres to the principles of Saul Alinsky, you don't negotiate, you intimidate. You don't take a stand, but make the other guy take a stand and then you demonize it. You create so much static with class warfare rhetoric that it drowns out reason and fact. A good case in point is the President's insistence that the wealthy do not pay their fair share. He has been saying this for so long, it is almost an accepted fact by some. The real truth is that the top one percent of wage earners have gone from paying 20% of the total tax burden in the 1980s to 40% today. The percentage of the total income they earn is around 25%. If one extrapolates out the tax burden to include the top 10% of wage earners, the total share of the tax burden paid by that group is 70%. Their total percentage of the income earned is around 38%. These facts come straight from current IRS data.
No fair-minded person could conclude from the empirical evidence laid out in the previous paragraph, that the wealthy in this country are not paying their fair share. And yet, the President spews out this categorically false narrative and a certain percentage of the population laps it up like kittens lapping milk from a bowl. This is also what followers of Saul Alinsky practice, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth in the minds of the masses.
Working again tonight but thankfully, I'm not doing this job. Help Wanted: Professional Fart Smeller. But it does pay $50K so there's that.
Holiday Drinks
Oh I'm so going to have some of these. 6 Christmas Themed Drinks To Get You Holiday Wasted.
The Mint Hot Chocolate Cup◦1 quart / 4 cups / 32oz Milk or half and half
◦8 oz bittersweet chocolate (Valrhona or Sharffenberger)
◦6 oz Mint Schnapps
◦3 oz Godiva Chocolate Liqueur
•Heat 8oz of the milk/half and half in small sauce pan in low heat and add chocolate, stir until all melted; Do not boil. Add the rest of the milk and stir.
•Take six mugs and pour the liqueurs (schanps and Godiva) into each and pour the hot chocolate into each.
•Top with freshly whipped cream and crushed candy canes (hint, break them up, put into zip-loc bags and go to town with the back of a wooden spoon on them).
Release The Tax Returns
Since Obama wants to play tax the rich game, how about we take a gander at the tax returns of The World's Most Powerful Celebrities Of 2012. It's only fair.
The Equalizer
Signs that Hollywood has run out of ideas example 5,271. Big Screen Adaptation Of 80's Show The Equalizer In The Works. With Denzel Washington? He ain't old enough for the role. Nor is he British. Oh well. The theme song wasn't bad though. Right up there with Airwolf.
Music
It's a long list, but supposedly here are the Top 1000 Song To Hear Before You Die. Perusing the list, I find a few that I wish I'd never heard. What would be your top 10?
Bizarre Execution Method
The Curious Practice Of Execution By Golden Shower. Yes. It's the same golden shower you're thinking of.
I was recently reading the first volume of John Masters’ autobiography, Bugles and a Tiger, and came across one of the more bizarre execution methods, death by drowning a person in urine.This method of execution was used by the Pathans (also known as “ethnic Afghans” and “Pashtuns”). The women of this group, particularly in the Afridi tribe of the Pashtuns (who today primarily reside in present-day Pakistan and Afghanistan), would occasionally execute people this way...
Cost Of The Lunar Flag Assembly
I cringe at the thought of how much it would cost today. Where No Flag Has Gone Before: Political And Technical Aspects Of Placing A Flag On The Moon.
Cost of materials was relatively low -- the flag was purchased for $5.50 and the tubing cost approximately $75. The cost of the shroud has been estimated at several hundred dollars due to the materials involved.
Kitteh Video
Tonight's ONT brought to you by Cats That Look Like Pin Up Girls (possibly NSFW):
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Posted by: CDR M at December 08, 2012 05:55 PM (dKV5k)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 05:56 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: CDR M at December 08, 2012 05:56 PM (dKV5k)
Posted by: CDR M at December 08, 2012 05:56 PM (dKV5k)
Anybody know when the new Star Trek movie comes out? Looks awesome. I'm guessing the villain is Gary Mitchell.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 05:58 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 05:59 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: mpfs at December 08, 2012 06:00 PM (r4Xd7)
Yeah, that's what the NFL needs. They need some earnest-looking Urkel-lookalike nerds to tag along after those 250 pound defencive linemen when they're whooping it up on the town. "Excuse me sir [nasal voice] would you be so kind as to allow me to call you a cab?"
What could go wrong?
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 06:00 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Thing From Snowy MOuntain at December 08, 2012 06:00 PM (kYBZL)
They also did this "static" move with Benghazi. For me, I personally don't care about Susan Rice going on the Sunday shows and lying her ass off. That's what politicians do, they follow the orders of their bosses, and I have no doubt she was told to lie (especially given that the father of one of the murdered SEALs mentioned how Shrillary told him they were "going to get the maker of that video"). For me, the most vile part of Benghazi was those two brave SEALs, painting targets, killing jihadis, and begging for aid...and being turned down. That, and the tyrant's role in it, is the important issue...and you NEVER hear it mentioned anymore.
Posted by: Palandine at December 08, 2012 06:02 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 06:02 PM (DoZD+)
Yeah, that's what the NFL needs. They need some earnest-looking Urkel-lookalike nerds to tag along after those 250 pound defencive linemen when they're whooping it up on the town. "Excuse me sir [nasal voice] would you be so kind as to allow me to call you a cab?"
What could go wrong?
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 10:00 PM (QTHTd)
Most professional teams have several staffers who serve as drivers for players who get drunk. It is one of the first numbers the team tells them to put in their phone.
Posted by: MrCaniac at December 08, 2012 06:03 PM (Zd/NW)
Posted by: CDR M at December 08, 2012 06:03 PM (dKV5k)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 06:04 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 06:04 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: mpfs at December 08, 2012 10:00 PM (r4Xd7)
There was one in CLT. Got there at 9:30. At least 700 people in line to get in.
I went home. Going in AM. If there is anything left to buy, I'll buy it.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 08, 2012 06:04 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 08, 2012 06:05 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 08, 2012 06:05 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: mpfs at December 08, 2012 06:05 PM (r4Xd7)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 08, 2012 06:05 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 08, 2012 06:06 PM (JGJEI)
Posted by: CDR M at December 08, 2012 06:06 PM (dKV5k)
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 06:06 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 10:06 PM (QTHTd)
I guess I should've left it then!
Posted by: CDR M at December 08, 2012 06:08 PM (dKV5k)
Not a chance. I would do helen thomas right in the squeak hole in Macy's window before ever being with a dude.
Posted by: Berserker at December 08, 2012 06:08 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is Eddie Willers, sure at December 08, 2012 06:09 PM (Md8Uo)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 06:10 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 08, 2012 06:10 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Lauren at December 08, 2012 06:10 PM (wsGWu)
It was wall to wall at the gun show today.
Posted by: mpfs
And somewhere, Bob Costas is very disappointed in you.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is Eddie Willers, sure at December 08, 2012 06:11 PM (Md8Uo)
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at December 08, 2012 06:11 PM (HoGA+)
You got a time machine? Ace is missing his. Try 350 # linemen. Dude, the water boys weigh more than 250.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 06:11 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 10:10 PM (DoZD+)
Lovely. Heres to saying that they just want to be treated like everyone else.
I dont make out with hubby in public, not cool.
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 06:12 PM (adaoe)
Attack the police...
"At about 12 p.m., Michigan State Police, operating in conjunction with Capitol Facilities, shut out new visitors following the arrest of eight people who allegedly attempted to push past two troopers and onto the Senate floor."
They didn't push past the police, they shoved them down.
Break the law then file lawsuits...
"At least two lawsuits have been filed contending the state violated the Open Meetings Act and citizensÂ’ right of free speech."
The Tea Party could take a lesson. If they are going to accuse you of this stuff, you might as well do it.
Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 08, 2012 06:12 PM (iuY0Y)
Posted by: mpfs at December 08, 2012 10:10 PM (r4Xd7)
So you were at the Meck Expo too? I figured even if I waited two hours to get in I wouldn't be able to get to a booth.
Going at 10
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 08, 2012 06:12 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 08, 2012 06:13 PM (Rhie+)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 06:13 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: mpfs at December 08, 2012 06:13 PM (r4Xd7)
uh, no
Posted by: Peaches at December 08, 2012 06:14 PM (kpCLl)
Posted by: mpfs at December 08, 2012 10:13 PM (r4Xd7)
Those "snappers" are pretty scary that is for sure.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 08, 2012 06:14 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 06:15 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 06:17 PM (pS4kL)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 06:18 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: mpfs at December 08, 2012 06:18 PM (r4Xd7)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 06:18 PM (1OZSU)
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 08, 2012 06:18 PM (JMmQ9)
Yep. If you're gonna take the rap, might as well do the crime.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 06:18 PM (pS4kL)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 08, 2012 06:19 PM (piMMO)
I can honestly say there wasn't an Obama voter in the crowd. My kind of people.
Posted by: mpfs at December 08, 2012 10:18 PM (r4Xd7)
Wish we had a country like that 
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 06:19 PM (adaoe)
I can honestly say there wasn't an Obama voter in the crowd. My kind of people.
Posted by: mpfs at December 08, 2012 10:18 PM (r4Xd7)
What they didn't have janitors?
I denounce myself.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 08, 2012 06:19 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 08, 2012 06:20 PM (AC0lD)
This could work, you know.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 06:20 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 08, 2012 10:20 PM (AC0lD)
Kick his ass.
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 06:21 PM (adaoe)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 08, 2012 06:21 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at December 08, 2012 06:21 PM (9HhTH)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 06:21 PM (sdi6R)
They have absolutely no idea what they are asking for.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2012 06:21 PM (GsoHv)
Okay, but would you kiss her (on the mouth) passionately and make sweet, sweet love?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2012 06:22 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: CarolT at December 08, 2012 06:22 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 08, 2012 06:22 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 06:23 PM (1OZSU)
Beat on the brat;
Beat on the brat;
Beat on the brat with a baseball bat;
Oh yeah....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2012 06:24 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 08, 2012 06:24 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: no good deed at December 08, 2012 06:24 PM (mjR67)
Posted by: CDR M at December 08, 2012 09:56 PM (dKV5k)
Many teams actually have designated drivers, you can call a company no questions asked it's already paid for. It's up to the athletes to decide.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 08, 2012 06:25 PM (NzBQO)
Is it wrong that I crack up laughing every time my 8 and 6 year old sing that song?
Posted by: no good deed at December 08, 2012 06:26 PM (mjR67)
The Pashtun (Pathan, Pashto, Pactyes, etc etc) women were famed for their sadism. It's all in "Flashman" (which is on the required moron reading list, I understand).
I got a couple books out from the library dealing with various aspects of early European history the other day, and one of them is about the neolithic cultures prior to the invasion of the Indo-Europeans. The auther of this book argues that these neolithic cultures were goddess-worshipping, matrilineal (and therefore matriarchal) societies that lived peacefully until they were overcome by the nasty patriarchal, bronze-wielding, warlike Indo-Europeans. I haven't really read it yet, but I have this odd suspicion that she assumes that a matrilineal culture (deduced from burial patterns, since no written evidence exists) equals a matriarchal culture, and that a society in which women dominate is automatically a peaceful one - the fact that societies such as the Iroquois and the Picts were matrilineal without being notably peaceful doesn't tend to be highlighted in this school of thought, I have noticed.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 08, 2012 06:26 PM (WX7uG)
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 10:21 PM (adaoe)
He's gone.
I'm on PokerStars and miss playing with Americans. There's literally, never anyone from any country that I respect which I'll occasionally comment on in chat.
My fellow Canadians have taken offense but screw them. Let this socialist hellhole burn hotter than America. Apologies in advance to the human rights commissions. I was wrong. I denounce myself for impure thoughts.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 08, 2012 06:26 PM (AC0lD)
Posted by: no good deed at December 08, 2012 10:26 PM (mjR67)
That's nothing. I taught our brats "Friggin In The Rigging," by the Sex Pistols when they were your kids' ages.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2012 06:28 PM (GsoHv)
Guess I can't be a liberal then. Bummer.
Then again, liberals are icky.
Posted by: tcn at December 08, 2012 06:28 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 06:28 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 06:28 PM (sdi6R)
Ah, Gimbutas.
Discredited. Even Wikipedia had to take note.
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 06:28 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: no good deed at December 08, 2012 06:29 PM (mjR67)
Liberals hate success (at least other people's)......
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2012 06:30 PM (GsoHv)
a society in which women dominate is automatically a peaceful one
Anyone who believes that never went to High School.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 06:31 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: CarolT at December 08, 2012 06:32 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 08, 2012 10:26 PM (WX7uG)
Oh, yeah, that "When God Was a Woman" bullshit. I really don't understand why they feel the need to make shit up. Any woman worth her salt would avoid becoming a god like the plague. It's girly-men like Obama that want to be gods, and then they find out it's a hell of a lot of work, and now we see how that ends up.
It's much like the "woman-priest" movement. They want to wear the poncho and toss the cracker, but they have no idea what they are asking for. Luckily, we have had some highly intelligent Popes to tell these useless ladies where to get off.
Posted by: tcn at December 08, 2012 06:32 PM (VLG62)
Right now the left has won the branding on the Bush tax rates. Preserving the rates as they have been for over a decade is called a tax break.
Speaking of the branding/PR war...when will rich conservatives stop wasting their money on ads and candidates and just start buying up the media. Since so much of it is publicly traded, they are practically begging us to do it. Buying 2 or 3 major outlets would cause chaos in their ranks. Look at what little ol' Fox news does to them.
I know.....rosebud....
Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 08, 2012 06:32 PM (iuY0Y)
Posted by: JustJP at December 08, 2012 06:33 PM (2y9lT)
Posted by: OregonMuse at December 08, 2012 06:34 PM (/yaKd)
The Mongols ended up woman-dominated on account of their khans mainly being drunks. (The Mongols were the Comanches of Asia, or was it the other way around.)
There's a fine book out there about the Mongol queens. Short version: your women and men would get violated just as hard if a woman was running the horde fighting your city.
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 06:35 PM (QTHTd)
"...repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth in the minds of the masses..."
*****
Broncos are goin' to the Super Bowl! Broncos are goin' to the Super Bowl!
(sung to the tune of "Broncos are goin' to the Super Bowl!" in A minor)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 06:35 PM (1OZSU)
Strawberry Fields Forever is about people and places? Uh huh, sure.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 06:35 PM (DoZD+)
Ah, Gimbutas.
Discredited. Even Wikipedia had to take note.
Book is downstairs, but I think that was the name. Yeah, I got it out primarily for the nice pencil drawings of reconstructed houses, which looked interesting, and only paid attention to the actual text when I got it home (I was primarily after something else, and was in a hurry). Still should be fun to look through, even if the author is teh crazy...
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 08, 2012 06:36 PM (sIqWn)
Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 06:36 PM (XDC0v)
Either way, I'm at the premiere on Friday--I rarely go to movies, but Tolkien is special...
Posted by: Palandine[/i] at December 08, 2012 06:37 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 06:38 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Lauren at December 08, 2012 06:39 PM (wsGWu)
Could someone have this made into a t-shirt?
http://tinyurl.com/bzacg9h
Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 06:39 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Y-not at December 08, 2012 06:40 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 10:36 PM (XDC0v)
*****
DAve- that's cool! Mrs. Muldoon has a coffee table book of WWII airplane nose art. There are some really cool ones if I remember right. I'll have to dig it out of its box again.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 06:40 PM (1OZSU)
Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 10:36 PM (XDC0v)
Thank you for the link DAve. I needed that. And God bless your father.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 08, 2012 06:41 PM (AC0lD)
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 08, 2012 06:41 PM (Ai+tZ)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2xcnhl
Posted by: Thorvald at December 08, 2012 09:50 PM (1V6Pv)"
That kinda looks like what I see from the Ducati, when I take it out...
Posted by: ChrisP at December 08, 2012 06:42 PM (D7DVk)
Posted by: no good deed at December 08, 2012 06:42 PM (mjR67)
Posted by: Too late for finals at December 08, 2012 06:43 PM (BgIBZ)
Posted by: Y-not at December 08, 2012 06:44 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 10:38 PM (bxiXv)
The republicans are dem lite and have been forever. No more( r )lou's a girl. Voted straight republican for a long time, no more. Give me a conservative/libertarian/tea party.
But done with the swish republicans..
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 06:44 PM (adaoe)
Posted by: Too late for finals at December 08, 2012 06:45 PM (BgIBZ)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2012 10:21 PM (GsoHv)
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Really dude? Totally unnecessary.
Posted by: Too late for finals at December 08, 2012 10:43 PM (BgIBZ)
Disagree, tired of them telling us what we can and cannot say as they call us racist, nazis, hate mongers, tea baggers, etc. Fuck it!
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 06:48 PM (adaoe)
Posted by: Tami at December 08, 2012 06:49 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 06:50 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: otho at December 08, 2012 06:51 PM (yBF/9)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 06:52 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 06:52 PM (sdi6R)
He presents it in 1993, the landing was in '69; this is described by him as 'nearly 30 years later'. FAIL
In practically the same sentence, he says as we get ready to head back to the moon -- OOPS
At that point, I gave up on the article. I will note that 'the experts' think that that cheapo $5.50 flag is probably bleached white by now. Organic dyes and cosmic rays don't along together real well.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 06:53 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: wankette at December 08, 2012 06:53 PM (qNhTJ)
Posted by: Tami at December 08, 2012 10:49 PM (X6akg)
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Yes, very, very interesting.
Posted by: CraigPoe at December 08, 2012 06:54 PM (BVkEs)
No Interpol, no Yeah Yeah Yeahs, no Ladytron, no Crystal Castles.
One NIN and it's "Closer", which is obvious. One Morrissey and it's "The More You Ignore Me", which sucks. Among the three New Order songs is "True Faith", which sucks horse cock. (I mean, come ON. Didn't anyone at the Grauniad see "Pretty In Pink"? The scene where they played "Elegia"? Eeerrgh.)
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 06:54 PM (QTHTd)
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I can see a biological reason for this one actually. If you live in a tiny village marrying close relatives for a long period of time you will start to incur more genetic negatives. Bringing in people from way outside the group then will improve the group's genetic health.
Of course this being Afghanistan they found the most cruel and horrible way to do it.
From my reading of other tribes in this sort of situation, captured prisoners were sometimes adopted into a tribe as a replacement for a dead tribe member. Obviously, the new tribe member's loyalty would be questionable, but considering the alternative it isn't a bad deal for either side...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2012 06:55 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: Y-not at December 08, 2012 06:55 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 06:55 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 06:55 PM (wwsoB)
They have absolutely no idea what they are asking for.
No, they know exactly what they are asking for. The push for gay marriage is being driven by hedonists. The goal is to use gay marriage as a springboard to attack monogamy. They'll argue that gays aren't monogamous and therefore we as a society have to abandon our expectation of marital fidelity.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 06:55 PM (HwgHt)
It's like, fight your own party 8am to 4:45pm and then cut off work 15 minutes early.
***
The leaders of both the Republicans and the Democrats come from the left side of the party. So Democrats get extremists, we get McRomneys.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2012 06:56 PM (AUeaU)
Now and here, if that was trues, and were I a Congress critter, I would simply ask for the POTUS to present required budget or have to draw the obvious conclusion that he is incompetent and require removal.
Not that he woud ever be removed, but it should be pointed out that he cannot perform a basic function of the job he asked for.
Posted by: Obamao at December 08, 2012 06:56 PM (JtyGg)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 06:57 PM (1OZSU)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 06:57 PM (GEICT)
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I'd argue it is even bigger then that. Liberals don't care about marriage...at all. What they care about is that the family unit tends to make it harder for them to remake society like they want to. So take down the family unit and you are one step closer to Utopia.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2012 06:58 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 10:52 PM (bxiXv)
It's like, fight your own party 8am to 4:45pm and then cut off work 15 minutes early. So they can go to the party with the dickhead democrats, thats it, they just want to go to the party.
We are the enemy to the beltway!
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 06:59 PM (adaoe)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 07:00 PM (bxiXv)
I'd argue it is even bigger then that. Liberals don't care about marriage...at all. What they care about is that the family unit tends to make it harder for them to remake society like they want to. So take down the family unit and you are one step closer to Utopia.
Oh, definitely.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 07:00 PM (HwgHt)
Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 07:00 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 10:55 PM (HwgHt)
The next step beyond that is to note that the "three" of us (in whatever combination of sexes you desire) all love each other and there is no reason we shouldn't be given our civil rights to marry and to either have or adopt children. Voila, the sacred polyamory marriage "contract" is part of the social fabric.
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 07:00 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Too late for finals at December 08, 2012 07:01 PM (BgIBZ)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 07:01 PM (sdi6R)
And to destroy religion. In 2008, if you'd said to a lib, "Obama is going to force the Catholic faith to purchase birth control and abortafacients for its employees," they would have said "No, that's ridiculous. There will always be conscience protections." Now that the tyrant did it, they say it's justice that the Church is being forced to do this. Same thing for gay marriage--now they say there would be conscience protection for religions that oppose gay marriage, but when the tyrant forces churches, mosques, and synagogues to "marry" gay people, they'll say it's justice.
It's why I stopped being in favor of gay marriage--civil unions are fine, but don't trample on the rights of people to believe differently from you.
Posted by: Palandine[/i] at December 08, 2012 07:02 PM (g7D8V)
On that song list, I think Take Five probably needs to be on it.
Oh definitely, and "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis as well
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:02 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 07:02 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Too late for finals at December 08, 2012 07:02 PM (BgIBZ)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 07:03 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Y-not at December 08, 2012 07:04 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:04 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: Too late for finals at December 08, 2012 11:01 PM (BgIBZ)
Why is fag a slur, is that not what they call each other?
When is enough enough? Maybe I dont like the fact that they took over gay, who says they are gay, seem pretty pissed off all the time if you ask me!
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 07:04 PM (adaoe)
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 11:02 PM
Should be on the mandatory reading list of every Republican. Even if they don't use it against them, they have a clue who they're up against
"Rommel, you magnificent son of a bitch .. "
Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 07:05 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 08, 2012 07:06 PM (Ai+tZ)
Rodrigo and Gabriela - Tamacun
http://tinyurl.com/6vyw85v
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 08, 2012 07:06 PM (0fxcV)
1000 songs (and a Britcentric list, at that) and the best Costello love songs they can pick are "Jack of all Parades" from King of America and (???) "I'm in the Mood Again" from North? I can name 30 better off top of me ol' 'ead!
Posted by: Bang Out Of Order at December 08, 2012 07:06 PM (1H47k)
Agree, the real point of much of this is to force all to conform to the "right" way of thinking, either by propaganda or legislation. Notice that they rarely go for referenda, because the ignorant peons might not get the point of how they should vote, but when they do and lose, they have a lawfare strategy already in place and sue almost immediately.
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 07:07 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 07:08 PM (wwsoB)
I'm gonna bring chocolate
(brought wine last time)Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:09 PM (d/5qf)
I feel that way about David Bowie. I'd have added "Starman", "Fame", "Oxford Town", that ballroom song on "Labyrinth" and especially "Ashes to Ashes".
*"China Girl" I concede to Iggy.
**Of course the Guardian didn't bother with Iggy. Or the Stooges. At all. @#$%
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 07:09 PM (QTHTd)
Bacon wrapped jalapeños stuffed with shrimp and sweet potato
Sage bison burgers with apple bacon chutney
Hand made peppermint ice cream (dairy free)
Was supposed to be a dinner party, got cancelled last minute.
What did you cook?
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 08, 2012 11:06 PM (Ai+tZ)
Cold, not fair, I demand this dinner!
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 07:09 PM (adaoe)
The next step beyond that is to note that the "three" of us (in whatever combination of sexes you desire) all love each other and there is no reason we shouldn't be given our civil rights to marry and to either have or adopt children. Voila, the sacred polyamory marriage "contract" is part of the social fabric.
Yup. The beastiality argument was always silly, but the attempts to normalize polygamy are coming.
What's funny is that the people who scream "keep out of our bedroom!" don't seem to realize that pushing this crap only increases the government's involvement in their private lives. Like it or not, there are certain aspects of personal relations that the government has a legitimate interest in, such as paternity, and a few well defined rules guiding what the government will recognize are far better than trying to incorporate every single bizarre combination that you can think of.
The other example is incest. Why is incest between consenting adults illegal? It's not the genetic issues (those usually require generations of close inbreeding), it's the very real issue of how normalizing sexual relations between family members would affect the familial bonds. Could you imagine a society where a father happily announces that when his 12 year old daughter turns 18 she's becoming his wife? How about one where a mother takes her 18 year old son's virginity? How does a government respond to that? How does that affect the trust we place in parents and guardians?
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 07:09 PM (HwgHt)
Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2012 07:10 PM (LUnTP)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2012 07:10 PM (hTDbY)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 07:11 PM (bxiXv)
Rubbish!
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 08, 2012 07:11 PM (0fxcV)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 07:11 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 11:09 PM (d/5qf)
Hi chemjeff, told ya you are a keeper! Bring both!
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 07:11 PM (adaoe)
F. Can't even type a literate comment, FFS. BBL.
Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 07:11 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:12 PM (d/5qf)
But "The Passenger" is not; "Nightclubbing" is not; "Sister Midnight" is... not
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 07:12 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 07:12 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 08, 2012 07:12 PM (piMMO)
If anyone's feeling in the Christmas mood- here's probably my favorite Christmas song- sung by Aaron Neville- "O Holy Night"
http://tinyurl.com/axt4qyn
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 07:13 PM (1OZSU)
Posted by: Too late for finals at December 08, 2012 07:13 PM (BgIBZ)
MSNBC host: Energy is just too darn cheap
http://tinyurl.com/cqzwljt
Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 07:14 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2012 07:14 PM (LUnTP)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 07:14 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: elizabethe at December 08, 2012 07:14 PM (oU9pV)
Posted by: Too late for finals at December 08, 2012 11:13 PM (BgIBZ)
OK done. Just trying to make a point about bullshit pc. Sorry, I obviously offended you with my mean words. Won't say it ever ever ever again, unless I go to England and need a cigarette.
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 07:15 PM (adaoe)
The Arctic fucking Monkeys? Really?
And why so much Judy Garland?
Shaking my head.
Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2012 11:10 PM
It's from The Guardian. What it looks like to me, is a bunch of old evergreens thrown in to give it credibility, but the bulk is a list of what some wankers consider kewl songs. The emphasis should be on songs that are truly memorable, are well crafted or with terrific hooks. Yes, Paranoid should be there, whether one loves it or not. It's a memorable piece.
Posted by: otho at December 08, 2012 07:15 PM (yBF/9)
Posted by: Too late for finals at December 08, 2012 07:15 PM (BgIBZ)
Posted by: CraigPoe at December 08, 2012 07:16 PM (BVkEs)
Okay, now I *know* that the Guardian is trollin'
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 07:16 PM (QTHTd)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zh-yR0pbmU
Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 11:08 PM (wwsoB)
*****
kdabear- you beat me to it- see my #190
Nice!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 07:16 PM (1OZSU)
Posted by: elizabethe at December 08, 2012 07:16 PM (oU9pV)
Me? I don't give a shit either way, and it's about 487th on the list of issues I care about
It's like an idiot who is all worried about global warming while the sheriff is nailing the eviction notice on the front door
Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 07:17 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: eman at December 08, 2012 07:17 PM (JIaBs)
Posted by: Too late for finals at December 08, 2012 07:17 PM (BgIBZ)
and kalneva that is a good idea, I will bring both wine and chocolate
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:18 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: CarolT at December 08, 2012 07:18 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: elizabethe at December 08, 2012 07:18 PM (oU9pV)
Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 07:19 PM (jFLnC)
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 07:19 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: eman at December 08, 2012 07:19 PM (JIaBs)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 07:19 PM (bxiXv)
old joke:
Q: What is the difference between a viola and a cello?
A: About 15 minutes in the fire
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:20 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: eman at December 08, 2012 07:21 PM (JIaBs)
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 07:21 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2012 07:21 PM (LUnTP)
Jedi Knight, you are.
Posted by: eman at December 08, 2012 11:19 PM (JIaBs)
if by "Jedi Knight" you mean "a nerd who goes to a cosplay convention wearing a stupid Mace Windu costume but gets lost on the way to the hotel so has to wander around downtown in a stupid costume asking strangers for directions, who just laugh at him" then yes, I'm totally a Jedi Knight
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:21 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 07:21 PM (t866N)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 08, 2012 07:22 PM (piMMO)
A: About 15 minutes in the fire
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 11:20 PM (d/5qf)
*****
This thread has too much violins and not enough sax!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 07:22 PM (1OZSU)
Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2012 07:23 PM (LUnTP)
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 08, 2012 07:23 PM (JMmQ9)
And if you're going to go to England, you'd better do it soon. They've surrendered their culture to the Muslims and it won't be long until it is just a repressed memory.
Posted by: Too late for finals at December 08, 2012 11:17 PM (BgIBZ)
HELL NO, you show me where any regular poster on this blog uses the n word, prove it or stfu! But if we did, why is it anywhere different from people calling me a cracker, or teabagger or nazi, ya know why, I dont fkin care, call me what you want!
And why do they get to decide what the bad words are?
Commercial running in vegas said black friday was a racist term, when does it end?
When we just grunt at each other, Or would that be wrong?
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 07:23 PM (adaoe)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2012 07:24 PM (g2ldK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8sBPMqARREPosted by: Robert at December 08, 2012 07:24 PM (LUnTP)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 07:24 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 07:25 PM (t866N)
Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2012 07:25 PM (LUnTP)
Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 11:17 PM (wwsoB)
Well, the idiot might be surprised, when he tries to refinance his mortgage to try and repossess his old house, to find the EPA has condemned it for not being green enough and it has been bulldozed.
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 07:25 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 07:26 PM (jFLnC)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2012 07:27 PM (UjSt7)
Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 07:28 PM (jFLnC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 07:28 PM (bxiXv)
I have been meditating on Ace's suggestion that the real problem isn't conservative ideas, but the culture that denigrates and mocks the idea and does not give them a fair hearing. and I was thinking today, that there really isn't any story or popular movie plot of the government acting as the bad guy *when it is actually acting like a government*. There's stories of government as this cartoonish fascist state, and there's stories of government being cartoonishly corrupted by envelopes of cash and Big Corporations, but there really isn't a story out there of a government, democratically elected, that ruins innocent people's lives when it's *running as intended*, and not corrupted. and I'm thinking this could be the great basis of a story. I'm thinking it would be similar to the type of story that Atlas Shrugged tried to tell, but without the Objectivist and atheist baggage. that's how I think we have to get the story out there via the culture, is to write good stories, which then get popularized in the media because they sell lots of copies (they have to cover it then), which then gets made into movies...
so, literary morons, what do you think?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:28 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2012 07:28 PM (UjSt7)
239- I'm feeling ambitious, I think I'll solve chess.
***
Before you do that would you please finish your Mobius strip?!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 07:29 PM (1OZSU)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 07:29 PM (bxiXv)
Trust me, living in caves with small fires for heat and light is the "natural" way to live, and foraging for roots and berries will help you shed those excess pounds real fast.
Posted by: Priss Hayes at December 08, 2012 07:29 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Kalneva at December 08, 2012 07:30 PM (S+/pH)
The Young British Soldier by Rudyard Kipling
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 08, 2012 07:30 PM (3E2th)
You Get Me Lost- Freedy Johnston
Tribute-Eric Johnson
Calling My Children Home(Live)- Emmylou Harris and Spyboy
Coming Up Close- Til Tuesday
Time Passes- Paul Weller
Newborn- Elbow
Find the River- REM
Five O- James
Mockingbirds- Grant Lee Buffalo
Skin and Teeth- Joe Henry
Posted by: Okie in Oregon at December 08, 2012 07:30 PM (4voC4)
Posted by: Ghost Busters at December 08, 2012 07:31 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2012 07:31 PM (UjSt7)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 07:32 PM (t866N)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 07:32 PM (bxiXv)
Hmm.
CS Lewis tried something like this in "The Last Battle". The problem is - that wasn't one of his better ones.
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 07:32 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 08, 2012 07:33 PM (Ai+tZ)
Posted by: Okie in Oregon at December 08, 2012 11:30 PM (4voC4)
*****
Hey Okie- intrepid first timer- I have to agree with at least one on your list. Just yesterday I told Mrs. Muldoon that when she leaves me for Eric Clapton that I'll leave her right back for Emmylou Harris!!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 07:33 PM (1OZSU)
Posted by: The Lightworker at December 08, 2012 07:34 PM (kqWTN)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 07:34 PM (sdi6R)
Ah, okay. I was thinking of world-cataclysmic epics, like "Atlas". Lower-key definitely does seem like the way to go.
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 07:34 PM (QTHTd)
No, but I mentioned it on a thread this AM.
What is your take?
Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 07:34 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 11:28 PM (d/5qf)
Stossel (Fox) had a show on today highlighting a bunch of government regulations all written with the "best of intentions" that wound up at best doing nothing, and at worst making things worse, just worse in a new way. It sure seems that there is ample material for a novel about the reality of how bad government is when government is working as it thinks it should.
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 07:34 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Ghost Busters at December 08, 2012 11:31 PM (wsGWu)
well, okay, but (a) that movie is a *comedy* and (b) the city hall enforcer dude was presented as strictly enforcing the regulations not because it was his civic duty, but because he had some corrupt motive to undermine the Ghostbusters (I forget the details as of now, it's been a while). I'm talking about a movie or a story in which regulators, who are not evil, not corrupt, not selfish, who are just "doing their jobs", they end up ruining lives.
sort of like telling teh story of the "Forgotten Man" if you've read Amity Shlaes' book on the Depression
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:35 PM (d/5qf)
Chemjeff: negative nookie. Instead, massive quantities of boozeahol. Booze is a way distant 2nd in this competition. *growlsmashstabgrowlagain*
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 08, 2012 11:33 PM (Ai+tZ)
Thanks, hubby and I had chili dogs for dinner, tee hee.
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 07:35 PM (adaoe)
Posted by: Lauren at December 08, 2012 07:35 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 08, 2012 07:35 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 07:36 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at December 08, 2012 07:36 PM (bxmu2)
Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 07:36 PM (jFLnC)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2012 07:37 PM (pmDdf)
Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 11:34 PM
He blasphemed against their god and they were mightily sore over it.
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 08, 2012 07:38 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:38 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 07:38 PM (sdi6R)
I mean, maybe Ghostbusters II could have explored why the EPA sent this hollow man down to Manhattan, but it didn't.
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 07:39 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 07:39 PM (1OZSU)
Want a nuclear family just being themselves. Alas the father runs afoul of something. And as he tries to defend himself in the court of law, the rule he has violated is shown to be something like what just happened to the Point Reyes oyster farm.
Baen Books would be the place to pitch it if you want a publisher. Kratman and his 'Desert Called Peace' finds a home there. Plus books with interesting titles like 'Live Free or Die' by Ringo.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 07:39 PM (t866N)
hmmmmmmmmmm so when I mention I'm a chemist, and they say "did you bring the acid", I'll have to ask for clarification....
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:39 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 11:34 PM (z9HTb)
Monckton might have rocked the global warming boat as the seas inexorably rose and perturbed the AGW consensus of learned pseudo-scientists, thus he had to go!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 07:39 PM (Cnqmv)
John Bolton was wrong about the UN. Top ten floors is not enough.
Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 07:40 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: CarolT at December 08, 2012 07:40 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Kalneva at December 08, 2012 11:30 PM (S+/pH)
I've been working on this, which is a really bad habit. Another bad habit I'm working on fixing is eye-rolling. Never did it much until a few years ago, and then I started. It's a bitchy and passive-aggressive thing to do, and hard to quit.
Posted by: Palandine[/i] at December 08, 2012 07:41 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 07:41 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 07:41 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2012 07:42 PM (wLibB)
Probably best we pretend he sucks.
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 11:41 PM (QTHTd)
Yep
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 07:43 PM (adaoe)
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 07:43 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: 80sBaby at December 08, 2012 07:43 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Okie in Oregon at December 08, 2012 07:43 PM (4voC4)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:44 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:45 PM (d/5qf)
Maybe "Kelo" meets "Point Reyes" set in an arid area that has been declared a wetland by the EPA?
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 07:45 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: CarolT at December 08, 2012 07:45 PM (z4WKX)
A comment like this makes me wish I were a better plonker. There is a proper lifesmanship version of the eyeroll.
Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 07:45 PM (z9HTb)
"Thank you."
"Mmm hmm."
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 11:38 PM (sdi6R)
That also qualifies! What are parents doing? How do you have a spawn like this?
Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 07:45 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 11:28 PM (d/5qf)
I think the conservative take is that gov. is bad because of (a) all people are flawed, so corruption will always be there. and (b) seen v. unseen -- we neglect to account for the unseen (unintended consequences, distortions, moral hazards, ...)
But showing this is a story is difficult. deep. not pop culture.
Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at December 08, 2012 07:46 PM (zZJJp)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 07:46 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Okie in Oregon at December 08, 2012 11:43 PM (4voC4)
***
It's amazing how often you will hear her voice backing up on some song you wouldn't expect.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 07:46 PM (1OZSU)
Posted by: Lauren at December 08, 2012 07:46 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:46 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 11:40 PM (z9HTb)
The UN requires demolition down to the sub-sub-sub-basement!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 07:47 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at December 08, 2012 07:47 PM (JKNDp)
Posted by: The Lightworker at December 08, 2012 07:47 PM (kqWTN)
Really though, I have a great idea. I stole most of it from a sci-fi author though I can't remember exactly which one.
Put up free meal dispensers throughout the US. Sorta like K Rations, but cheaper and in full conformance with The Mooch's wish list on dietary guidelines. Add a warmer box (not a microwave) beside each dispenser. No one will ever be hungry again. But make the food bland and not particularly tasty.
Now here are the kickers. First off, you have to swipe a photo ID card to get the meal. It only works 3 times per day. To get that card, you have to show the same sort of ID that you need for a DL; it can also serve as voter ID. This solves the whole voter ID issue.
It also eliminates food stamps and school meal programs. It also eliminates the need for soup kitchens and such.
This would yank the whole starving American argument completely out of the Dem hands, and cut off a major set of targeted handouts. It's free to everyone, really even to illegals as do gooders would always be willing to swipe their card and leave the package for anyone that wants it. Basic food would be free for the asking.
No more panhandlers with 'Will Work For Food' signs. No more worries about food poisoning or unsafe handling problems as the food is precooked.
I really like this idea. Face the facts, 47 million households are already on food stamps. Add some more for the free school lunch programs. We are already feeding anyone that asks.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 07:47 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2012 07:48 PM (v8RoL)
Posted by: eman at December 08, 2012 07:48 PM (JIaBs)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 07:48 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 07:48 PM (t866N)
You'll notice they spend a lot of time criticizing and protesting and physically attacking the Church and it's rites.
By receiving the government's permission to be married, they now set up the same situation as with abortion and contraception; the Church will be forced to carry out these ceremonies under threat of government sanctions and lawsuits.
Plus as we're now seeing it's also about the health benefits of one partner being available to the other. Under current law many insurers are able to charge higher premiums for coverage of non-spousal adult beneficiaries or even to not have to cover them at all. (this applies particularly to company provided insurance)
It's always been about forcing those who believe that homosexuality is sinful and/or disgusting to accept the gay lifestyle and sexual practices to be the equivalent of heterosexuality.
It's not about getting equal, it's about getting even.
(this of course is only my opinion and may or may not apply to the majority of homosexuals. it's merely a judgment derived from observation of the actions, writings and speech of various homosexuals as reported by the news media. So if you have a problem with it, don't expect an argument.)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 08, 2012 07:49 PM (3E2th)
Somehow, though, Ayn Rand managed to get a story like this into pop culture. And a really massive and preachy story at that, and with shitty characterisation.
Someone with more talent than Rand might be able to clean up . . .
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 07:49 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 08, 2012 07:49 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 11:46 PM (d/5qf)
***
cj- onecould do an updated variation on "Coma" by Robin Cook, but in an Obamacare worldview and work a lot of those themes into it.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 07:51 PM (1OZSU)
Posted by: Doc at December 08, 2012 07:52 PM (RgWBf)
Posted by: The Lightworker at December 08, 2012 07:52 PM (kqWTN)
Palandine, at least you see it. Thanks for recognizing that it's passive-agressive. It's pretty much like saying, "Fuck you." Without saying it. You'll go far by saying "you're welcome" in a gracious manner. You will be richer, too, I think.
Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 07:53 PM (S+/pH)
http://studios.amazon.com/
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 07:53 PM (t866N)
Did you get any?
Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 07:54 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Synnerman at December 08, 2012 07:54 PM (0Bdlg)
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at December 08, 2012 07:54 PM (bxmu2)
Posted by: Doc at December 08, 2012 07:55 PM (RgWBf)
email that student back and claim that their accusations of insensitivity have so upset you and disrupted your concentration that you're going to have to file a complaint of sexual harassment against them as trying to coerce you into giving them a better grade
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 08, 2012 07:56 PM (3E2th)
Posted by: Lauren at December 08, 2012 07:56 PM (wsGWu)
- or playing those games, for that matter. The Bioshock series is horrible at this. I'm done with playing their preachy agitprop. I wish I hadn't got the first one, but back then I was "open minded" and figured it might offer some actual critiques of the Randian ethos.
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 07:56 PM (QTHTd)
My peeve, and I think it's a strange Missouri thing, is people who say "I'm sorry" instead of "Excuse me" if they bump into you or open a door too close to you or the like. It's not a huge deal, but I do notice it.
And yeah, eyerolling is the worst thing ever. There's a lot that's eyeroll worthy on this earth right now, but eyerolling never makes things any better.
Posted by: Palandine[/i] at December 08, 2012 07:56 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2012 07:57 PM (ytax8)
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at December 08, 2012 11:54 PM (bxmu2)
What color are you supposed to grade it in? As far as I'm concerned if you don't want to use a red pen to grade then you better have your students using red, so when you use your blue or black pen they can easily identify their errors.
Posted by: buzzion at December 08, 2012 07:57 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 11:48 PM (bxiXv)
you do understand that i am saying it never works as intended, and those doing the intending are not smart enough to understand how it really will work.
the problem is the intentions. (road, hell,...) and that means our argument is not easily stuck into a formula where some guy on an island with a black hat is trying to blow up the world. It is some asshole politician who gets sent to the state capitol and thinks it is his job to protect concert goers from milli vanilli lip syncing. and it grows from there.
His career is built on getting people to like him -- how to find a way to make the audience hate him?
Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at December 08, 2012 07:57 PM (zZJJp)
Posted by: Doc at December 08, 2012 07:58 PM (RgWBf)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at December 08, 2012 07:58 PM (JKNDp)
Posted by: CarolT at December 08, 2012 07:59 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at December 08, 2012 07:59 PM (JKNDp)
Doc, okay, try this as a response:*
Thank you for your response to my comments. To be honest, your original draft of your paper had so many spelling, grammar, logic and factual errors in it, that it seemed as if you had never paid attention in class, and moreover, that your inability to grasp even the simplest concepts was extremely insensitive to my time and energy that I devoted to an attempt to educate you; an attempt that, I am disappointed to report, was a failure. In the future, I will refrain from using so many exclamation points when providing comments on your papers; I will simply discard them as the rubbish that they are and assign an appropriate grade. Have a nice day.
Best,
Doc
*only if you have tenure and you know the department chair really well
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 07:59 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:00 PM (t866N)
Heh. 50 Cent voted for Bush. He probably voted Obama first time but this time 'round he may well have sat it out or voted Romney. So it doesn't surprise me that he shook Romney's hand.
I read somewhere that the black male vote generally fell off for Obama '12 versus '08.
Posted by: boulder hobo at December 08, 2012 08:00 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Doc at December 08, 2012 11:58 PM (RgWBf)
Ugh. I feel for you. Give her 100% on everything from here on out and make her someone else's problem. Let It Burn has all sorts of useful applications.
Posted by: Palandine[/i] at December 08, 2012 08:00 PM (g7D8V)
"...on the backs of the middle class, working class," Commie crap end of discussion.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at December 08, 2012 08:01 PM (JKNDp)
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at December 08, 2012 08:01 PM (bxmu2)
Posted by: Doc at December 08, 2012 08:02 PM (RgWBf)
Where'd the italics go?
Posted by: katya the designated driver
Back where they came from I hope.
Posted by: helen thomas's droopy boobs at December 08, 2012 08:03 PM (jPVBi)
Posted by: CarolT at December 08, 2012 08:03 PM (z4WKX)
In my defense, I don't really do it FOR them. it's just how I was taught to act so saying they're welcome is false cause they aren't necessarily welcome as I didn't do it for them. Also, these days, people thank others so little that I'm surprised when they do and aren't really expecting to have to respond.
I realize it's impolite but hey if they get upset due to the lack of the "you're welcome" acknowledging they're being polite back, it's kind of self defeating.
There's also some languages that perceive "Thank you" as a response to erase the obligation incurred. I don't do nice things to obligate anyone. At least no any more.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 08, 2012 08:03 PM (3E2th)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2012 08:03 PM (ytax8)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:04 PM (t866N)
Did you you use all CAPS, too Doc? Oh the humanity.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 08:05 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Doc at December 08, 2012 08:05 PM (RgWBf)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 08:06 PM (bxiXv)
nevertheless I'm still invited over to her place on Sunday. so I guess it wasn't a deal breaker conversation.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 08:06 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 08:07 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 08:07 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: CarolT at December 08, 2012 08:07 PM (z4WKX)
so the plan has emerged:
1. Idea
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???
6. ???
7. Amazon Studios!
now time to fill in some details on my plan
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 08:07 PM (d/5qf)
What a shock. /s
They're all militant feminists until it comes time to pay the check.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 08, 2012 08:08 PM (3E2th)
And yet she let you pay. Huh.
So maybe you should call her up for a next date, choose a really expensive restaurant, and then at the end suggest a "progressive" payment formula...
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 08:09 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: The Dude at December 08, 2012 08:09 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: AnnaS at December 08, 2012 08:10 PM (trh5+)
Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 08:11 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2012 08:11 PM (v8RoL)
Chemjeff, glad you have your humour gnome hat on with regards to Amazon Studios.
Here is last year's script winner - http://studios.amazon.com/projects/7375
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:12 PM (t866N)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 08:12 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Doc at December 08, 2012 08:12 PM (RgWBf)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2012 08:12 PM (v8RoL)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 08:13 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 09, 2012 12:06 AM (d/5qf)
Was gonna say run dont walk away, but my hubby was kinda liberal when I met him, now he makes me look like the republican congress, so theres that.
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 08:13 PM (adaoe)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2012 12:11 AM (v8RoL)
The people who voted for obama.
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 08:14 PM (adaoe)
Posted by: Doc at December 08, 2012 08:14 PM (RgWBf)
Posted by: AnnaS at December 09, 2012 12:10 AM (trh5+)
My opinion is that we don't subscribe (and can't, due to our nature) to the LCD method. And it fucks us every time. It's a Catch-22 of the worst kind, for success of conservative principles.
Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 08:14 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 08:15 PM (bxiXv)
Print out as many of those as you can and send my office the bill. Please.
Posted by: Mary Landrieu at December 08, 2012 08:15 PM (2XeXh)
A truly free market values labor pretty fairly.
Minimum wage distorts markets and prices out people who are just looking for a few extra bucks and want to get out of the house for a while who would be willing to do a marginal value job for say $5/hour.
If you can find someone willing to do a job that otherwise wouldn't be worth pay $9/hr for, but would be worth paying $5/hr for, then you created a new entry level job. With a minimum wage law, that job never gets created.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 08:16 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: Lauren at December 08, 2012 08:16 PM (wsGWu)
From the synopsis:
"After a secret nighttime rendezvous at Timberchase Lake, Dan hits a rabid deer with BonnieÂ’s car and inadvertently spreads the virus to JimÂ’s three dogs.
A property line dispute with JimÂ’s neighbor results in the infected dogs getting loose from their kennels and instituting a reign of terror on the small community."
Umm...WTF? This script actually WON?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 08:16 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2012 08:16 PM (v8RoL)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 08:17 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2012 08:17 PM (LnQr8)
Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 08:17 PM (S+/pH)
***
Should have asked her what she thought about illegal immigration crashing low skill wages. Also, is importing a new underclass going to increase or decrease "income inequality"?
Liberals would rather important 10M helots from Mexico so they can pay dirt cheap rates for lawn work and get someone else to pay the taxes to give hand outs to able bodied Americans.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2012 08:17 PM (AUeaU)
***
Were you liberal by default or were you active politically?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2012 08:18 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 08:18 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2012 08:20 PM (g2ldK)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 08:20 PM (d/5qf)
2. ???
3. ???
4. Schedule appearance on Good Morning America
5. ???
6. ???
7. Amazon Studios!
now time to fill in some details on my plan
Posted by: chemjeff at December 09, 2012 12:07 AM (d/5qf)
***
Just sayin'
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 08:21 PM (1OZSU)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 08:21 PM (bxiXv)
How soon did you let him get 2nd base? 3rd?
Men will do anything, listen to anything, go places, meet strangers, espouse or at least accept ridiculous positions just to get laid. Or even to hope to get laid.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 08, 2012 08:21 PM (3E2th)
"TIDUS, emerges from the crowd. He wears a CROWN and ARMOR,
with a long flowing CLOAK billowing in the wind behind him.
He is followed by another crowd of KNIGHTS, wearing similar
armor."
'another crowd of KNIGHTS'?? where is the first crowd? And this is only on the first page of script.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:21 PM (t866N)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:24 PM (t866N)
Posted by: Lauren at December 08, 2012 08:24 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: buzzion at December 08, 2012 08:24 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 08:24 PM (sdi6R)
yeah no kidding.
apparently in their world, you can't ever ever compare the finances of a government to the finances of a family, even if it is only in the form of an analogy, so therefore, government can do whatever stupid ass financial decisions it wants.
dumbasses
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 08:24 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 08:24 PM (1OZSU)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2012 08:24 PM (g2ldK)
Posted by: Lauren at December 08, 2012 08:25 PM (wsGWu)
no kidding.
Cujo meets I Know What You Did Last Summer
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 08:26 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 08:26 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: lou's a girl at December 08, 2012 08:27 PM (adaoe)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 08:27 PM (d/5qf)
That overwhelming need to punch someone in the face is back again.
Posted by: DaveA at December 08, 2012 08:27 PM (Xefrb)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 12:18 AM (2RJQo)
PurpAV, I think that's not that "out there". There's gracious behavior, and "don't give a fuck" behavior. These are the tiny little things, which, in aggregate, fuck up our polite society. Of course, neither of these are going to be the collapse of America! But every little straw...
Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 08:27 PM (S+/pH)
***
Well if you index government/union salaries to inflation...no problem right?
I often wonder if the Republicans should seriously propose a "minimum wage" of ONE MILLION DOLLARS.
I mean why the fark not? If the government can give everyone a "living wage" why not go all out and make them wealthy?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2012 08:27 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 08, 2012 08:27 PM (1OZSU)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:27 PM (t866N)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 08:28 PM (d/5qf)
oh great. so that isn't going to work either. because to win the popularity contest you have to mock conservatives, because that is what is popular in the dominant culture today.
urgh
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 08:28 PM (d/5qf)
And speaking of such, back to writing. Wont get any $ if I don't finish it.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:29 PM (t866N)
Posted by: Tuna at December 08, 2012 08:30 PM (M/TDA)
***
I can understand how teenagers and early 20 somethings can be pro-abortion - getting pregnant when you don't want to makes your life change dramatically. But people who already have children? What the hell?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2012 08:30 PM (AUeaU)
319Which is worse:
(a) had a blind date tonight with whom I argued about the necessity of the minimum wage, among other political points.
Min wage is only a tool for the unions to establish their base rates. It's useless and hurts most by reduction of hours. You can't just shit profit to cover min wage increases.
Oh and what 325 said.... Did you get any?
Posted by: olddog at December 08, 2012 08:30 PM (MuE6W)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2012 08:30 PM (g2ldK)
When the entire body of the Kinks work is examined, Ray Davies makes Dylan look like an amateur hack IMHO.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 08:31 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 08:31 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:32 PM (t866N)
Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 08:33 PM (wwsoB)
Heh. At my workplace, there are monitors on the walls showing most of the news channels, with the sound turned off. I looked up at one point and saw _someone_ doing an ad by the Hoover Dam on MSNBC. I honestly couldn't tell you whether it was Hayes or Maddow. Maybe they shouldn't have hired him if Maddow was going to be their boyish bespectacled star.
Posted by: Palandine[/i] at December 08, 2012 08:33 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: Lauren at December 08, 2012 08:33 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 08:34 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: Dirk_Steed at December 08, 2012 08:34 PM (DClSh)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 08:35 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2012 08:35 PM (v8RoL)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 08:35 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 08:35 PM (GEICT)
Brevity should be prized in this bandwidth constrained era. Terse is not impolite, its just terse.
Its when someone waxes loquacious that you need to be worried about the daggers.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 08:36 PM (2RJQo)
CS Lewis tried something like this in "The Last Battle". The problem is - that wasn't one of his better ones.
Hm. That's one of my favorites.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 08:37 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 12:35 AM (GEICT)
Will that make her more receptive to the dirty text messages from the other side of the couch tonight?
Posted by: buzzion at December 08, 2012 08:37 PM (GULKT)
I used to like Dylan a lot when I was younger. Still do, but less so.
I remember when this song came out. There's a lot of very grey rockers who release songs that get a lot of acclaim that wouldn't be good enough if they hadn't built up a big reputation way back when.
This song stood on its own merits.
Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 08:37 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:38 PM (t866N)
What, you didn't appreciate my vicissitudinous loquanimity?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 08:38 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2012 08:38 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 08:39 PM (GEICT)
Due to some health issues, the wife is now on a horrible diet. So I spent the time to make her a couple awesome meals for lunch and dinner.
You are an awesome husband.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 08:39 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: Kalneva at December 08, 2012 08:39 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at December 08, 2012 08:40 PM (Jcd0S)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 08:41 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:42 PM (t866N)
I was born in a welfare state, ruled by bureaucracy
Controlled by civil servants and people dressed in grey
Got no privacy, got no liberty
'Cause the 20th century people took it all away from me
Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 08:43 PM (z9HTb)
Field types be even harder than math dood.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 08:43 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 08:46 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: Steck at December 08, 2012 08:46 PM (RL7U1)
FOADIAF
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at December 08, 2012 08:46 PM (Jcd0S)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 08:46 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:48 PM (t866N)
Wasn't "The Equalizer" Samuel Colt? So why bother with a candyass television series?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at December 08, 2012 08:49 PM (Jcd0S)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 08:50 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 08:51 PM (sdi6R)
'night, lovelies. Happy Sunday to all y'all.
Posted by: kalneva gonna be widowed again at December 08, 2012 08:52 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: Palandine[/i] at December 08, 2012 08:54 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 08, 2012 08:56 PM (Ai+tZ)
Posted by: Lauren at December 08, 2012 08:56 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: Lauren at December 08, 2012 08:58 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 08:58 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: RWC at December 08, 2012 08:59 PM (sqp6o)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 09:00 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 09:00 PM (BrZCC)
I believe that he is the greatest songwriter who has ever lived, bar none.
When the entire body of the Kinks work is examined, Ray Davies makes Dylan look like an amateur hack IMHO.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 12:31 AM
I'd be leaning towards Davies also. Not that there's anything wrong with Dylan's stuff, I like it, but he's not as much a total songwriter. More a poet with a good ear. He writes great turns of phrases etc, but overall, his tunes are pretty basic. He's done outstanding, memorable stuff, but, I can't help but feel the resuolt is more due to the arrangment and how the band he's working with produces a melody out of the basic framework. "Like a Rolling Stone" is a good example. Dylan benefitted a lot from excellent collaborators, though they were uncredited.
Posted by: otho at December 08, 2012 09:02 PM (yBF/9)
To all my M and M's that have loved ones who are fighting "THE" fight,
I can only pray for you since I have no special powers (yet wish so much )
TRUE, a tuff season, any season is, yet this... so much more. I have my own and will say no more, All I can do for all that suffer or are in pain is to do what I can do on my knees.....right!....me, Mr. Orange Tree...Mr. Flame drunk 360, DOC FAIL....you all know me that have been here and done that.
After THIS election...I have to strip it down to the bone and start over.
What scares me most, I do not know if I have that kinda time to do that,
so... I will just drop down and do what I can with a prayer for all of you that are in need and hope it helps.
Richard
Posted by: Richard at December 08, 2012 09:05 PM (WsDIO)
Around here we got morons and real morons. Guess what.
Posted by: DaveA at December 08, 2012 09:05 PM (Xefrb)
So I made her chicken and asparagus, cooked in olive oil and seasoned, then topped with shredded Parmesan for lunch. Peanut crusted tilapia with spinach seasoned and, again, cooked in olive oil for dinner.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 12:46 AM (GEICT)
yum
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 09:07 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at December 08, 2012 09:14 PM (bxmu2)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 09:24 PM (BrZCC)
Posted by: RWC at December 08, 2012 09:25 PM (sqp6o)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 09:26 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: ElKomandante at December 08, 2012 09:27 PM (pjsQY)
Let us know on Monday how well she makes pancakes.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 09:27 PM (HwgHt)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 09:27 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 09:29 PM (2RJQo)
Along with Ray Davies another total songwriting package is Van Morrison. What he produced over the years is nothing short of phenomenal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6sNh2v-u0Y
Posted by: otho at December 08, 2012 09:30 PM (yBF/9)
In a similar note, especially for chemjeff -- the BH says you should ask if you can kiss her.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 09:31 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 09:31 PM (t866N)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 08, 2012 09:35 PM (ieZ+e)
Don't ask, just do.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 09:37 PM (HwgHt)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 09:37 PM (kaalw)
Don't ask, just do.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 09, 2012 01:37 AM (HwgHt)
We tried advocating that last night. I'm thinking "Plan B".
Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 09:40 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 09:43 PM (BrZCC)
Posted by: Tuna at December 08, 2012 09:43 PM (M/TDA)
Posted by: CarolT at December 08, 2012 09:43 PM (z4WKX)
Reeds level of junk/filler is pretty high. *cough* MEtal Machine Music *cough* *cough* 100% shit *cough* *cough*
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 09:46 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 08, 2012 09:46 PM (YvSUn)
Asking is more likely to backfire than not kissing her. It will make him look unsure of himself and make it seem like he's scared of her. Better to simply flirt and have fun and let her make the move. If she's interested she will give him plenty of opportunities.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 09:47 PM (HwgHt)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy at December 08, 2012 09:47 PM (2RJQo)
It worked for me
Honestly, based on the stories that you've told us over the years I figured you woke up one morning with a splitting headache and a ring on your finger and ever since have simply had too much self preservation instinct to question what happened.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 09:49 PM (HwgHt)
Posted by: The Dude at December 08, 2012 09:49 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 08, 2012 09:50 PM (wmoPF)
Posted by: Inbred TeaBagger at December 08, 2012 09:50 PM (+y2k6)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2012 01:37 AM
Eclectic. They could both write, play and sing something fierce. Gratutitous Morrison live in 76 clip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44wDwMQVqCc
Posted by: otho at December 08, 2012 09:51 PM (yBF/9)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 08, 2012 09:53 PM (wmoPF)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 09:53 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 09:53 PM (lJJMb)
I feel bad for a moment, then I fuck your mother and head out to my job. You may have heard of a job, though you certainly have never actually experienced it. The same way you've probably never experience consensual sex with a grown woman.
BTW, you mom says clean up the basement before she gets home. She's tired of walking past greasy pizza boxes and semen stained shirts every time she needs to do laundry.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 09:55 PM (HwgHt)
Asking is more likely to backfire than not kissing her. It will make him look unsure of himself and make it seem like he's scared of her. Better to simply flirt and have fun and let her make the move. If she's interested she will give him plenty of opportunities.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 09, 2012 01:47 AM (HwgHt)
The problem is that having fun and simply flirting will, more often than not, end up getting boring to her. Then you'll end up as "this fun guy" and not as a potential relationship.
The BH reports that being asked -- and not in a timid way, but more in a "now, or in a bit?" way -- worked with her (not with me -- I have my own methods).
Perhaps, "would this be a particularly good time to kiss you?"
Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 09:56 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 09:56 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Lauren at December 08, 2012 09:56 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 09:56 PM (BrZCC)
Posted by: RWC at December 08, 2012 09:57 PM (sqp6o)
490
I want to FIGHT!! I want to go total 1776 yet my sons are not trained up cept my # 1 who bailed to another state cause he smelled the rapid decay in Calidetroitya and knew he had to jump to another state. I do not blame him, he has the knowledge and experience and may have done the jump to put himself in an "Over-watch" position to help guide us all out when this JERRY-BATH-HOUSE-BROWN" state implodes under the weight of all the Libtards doing COMMIE JELLO-SHOOTERS in the SACTO...wish I had my own drone to map my way out of this Wesp-Coast S&M fist-fuck-o-thon or at the very least......My own MRAP to get me past the AQMD who by the way...I would SO CLAYMORE along with the COSTAL COMISSION who should be dropped into a tank full of GREAT WHITES......gee....that felt pretty good...must say.....yup
Posted by: Richard at December 08, 2012 09:57 PM (WsDIO)
You mean the flower shop doesn't keep an emergency bouquet in their cooler just for you?
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 09:57 PM (HwgHt)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 09, 2012 01:55 AM (wmoPF)
Ouch, but funny.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 09:57 PM (lJJMb)
Posted by: CarolT at December 08, 2012 09:57 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 09, 2012 01:47 AM (HwgHt)
there ARE ways of saying "you wanna Kiss?" like a boss, but you gotta have some confidence and follow through
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at December 08, 2012 09:58 PM (r7Ddb)
Posted by: Arbalest at December 08, 2012 09:59 PM (CP2Yg)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 09:59 PM (sdi6R)
The problem is that having fun and simply flirting will, more often than not, end up getting boring to her. Then you'll end up as "this fun guy" and not as a potential relationship.
The BH reports that being asked -- and not in a timid way, but more in a "now, or in a bit?" way -- worked with her (not with me -- I have my own methods).
Perhaps, "would this be a particularly good time to kiss you?"
I've found that the best way to avoid the friend zone is to simply say, "I like you" at the beginning. Then there is no chance of confusion. Even if you do end up as friends, at least you made the effort, and you can always keep the door open for later if things change for either of you.
Remember that in order to burn a bridge, you first have to be carrying a torch.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 10:00 PM (HwgHt)
Posted by: Lauren at December 08, 2012 10:01 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 10:02 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at December 09, 2012 01:58 AM (r7Ddb)
The last time I did something like that, I and the lady were about to part after spending some good 1-on-1 time (sober)...I said something romantic like "urrrm...fuck it" and went in. It worked out great, in spite of my lack of anything approaching suave. If the sparks are flying, it's hard to go wrong. It didn't work out in the end, but that was unrelated to the beginning.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 10:02 PM (lJJMb)
Posted by: RWC at December 08, 2012 10:05 PM (sqp6o)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 10:05 PM (HwgHt)
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I wanna pull a carrot out of the bag to feed my bunnies......should I also give you a carrot.....or maybe some....meat?...naw...ALL I HAVE ARE POOP POUNDED DIAPERS...with some 2 day old piss to make the diaper alittle more.......creamy..........?YOU LIKE?
Posted by: Richard at December 08, 2012 10:06 PM (WsDIO)
Uncle Horse is completely recovered and starting to go back to work. I am so thrilled for him. And we are doing Major work on the farm. i got in SIX loads of fresh sand for the arena and had the outdoor stalls all smoothed out. Im getting new rubber stall mats and Grim is getting a workshop installed. It seems dad thought having to live in the same house with no space of his own was cruel and unusual punishment, so he made it happen.
the weirdest things can make people happy. But i am over the moon.
oh, and i have a cold. that part is not fun.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at December 08, 2012 10:06 PM (r7Ddb)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 08, 2012 10:20 PM (AC0lD)
Was watching TV news at the neighbors' and the scroll on the bottom reported that Hugo Chavez' cancer has returned, and that he is going to the world-renowned medical Mecca of Cuba for another surgery. Better get him in the dead pool.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2012 10:07 PM (29+x5)
I don't know what to do, I guess I will just see what happens
(or, 'what pops up'
)but it is time for bed, good night
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 10:10 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 10:11 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: RWC at December 08, 2012 10:11 PM (sqp6o)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2012 02:07 AM (29+x5)
He was one of the first picks. I have yet to figure out what Weasel Blog Time is (guessing it's close to GMT), but the people wishing for Chavez to die always get in on the Sweasel Dead Pool quick, along with folks wishing Fidel Castro and Jane Fonda shuffle their way off the mortal coil. I'm sticking with Fred Phelps. When he finally kicks it, we'll all be happy and I'll get a prize.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 10:12 PM (lJJMb)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 01:59 AM
Good stuff that. My fave is basically the whole Lola vs Powerman LP. It's a masterpiece.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9aaOiOqBCM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEep67akIn4
Posted by: otho at December 08, 2012 10:13 PM (yBF/9)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 10:13 PM (BrZCC)
Posted by: Arbalest at December 08, 2012 10:14 PM (CP2Yg)
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 10:14 PM (lJJMb)
I do, however, like assertive men who dont startle me. So if someone asked with confidence if i wanted to make out or kiss (more like "Ok we are gonna kiss but im letting you know in case you have a knife in your boot" than "Is it ok, please?") i would not be turned off. Asking permission might seem lame to a chick who likes super assertive men, but then i know plenty chicks who WANT a squish, and a few who like a guy who cares about what they are ready for... But then, i live in California.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at December 08, 2012 10:18 PM (r7Ddb)
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 10:19 PM (lJJMb)
Uncle Horse is completely recovered and starting to go back to work. I am so thrilled for him. And we are doing Major work on the farm. i got in SIX loads of fresh sand for the arena and had the outdoor stalls all smoothed out. Im getting new rubber stall mats and Grim is getting a workshop installed. It seems dad thought having to live in the same house with no space of his own was cruel and unusual punishment, so he made it happen.
the weirdest things can make people happy. But i am over the moon.
oh, and i have a cold. that part is not fun.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at December 09, 2012 02:06 AM (r7Ddb)
Robert was here earlier when the BH and I were still at her company Christmas party, but he split a while back.....so no TPAKTOP tonight. It's great that Uncle Horse is doing so well.
Sounds like great fun for the farm -- and having a dedicated workshop will make things a lot better, too. I do home projects around the house, and have to unpack the garage onto the driveway to get anything substantial accomplished, then repack it afterwards. Creates a huge "barrier to entry" for starting things, and when the days are short it limits the scope of the things you can do. I also can't leave all the stuff all over the driveway to run and get more parts.
Sorry to hear about the cold -- hope it's better, soon!
Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 10:19 PM (kaalw)
546
I do so suck at the "TRYING TO GET CHEM JEFF LAID" Board Game...I never got my playing pieces in the mail and Vic stole the dice when it was my turn to role.....
jus saying.......
Posted by: Richard at December 08, 2012 10:22 PM (WsDIO)
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 08, 2012 10:22 PM (Iyg03)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 10:23 PM (BrZCC)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2012 02:07 AM (29+x5)
Nah going to Cuba isn't enough to put him in the dead pool. He's rich so he'll get the medical care that Michael Moore thinks all Cubans receive, not the actual medical care that Cubans receive.
Posted by: buzzion at December 08, 2012 10:25 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 08, 2012 10:28 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Sexypig at December 08, 2012 10:29 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 09, 2012 02:28 AM (yh0zB)
If you don't go to the company Christmas party, then how are you going to bang the secretary on the copy machine?
Posted by: buzzion at December 08, 2012 10:29 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 02:25 AM (GULKT)
No matter how much money you've stolen, no matter how many doctors you can buy, even in the progressive wonderland that is Cuba, when the Big C comes calling, you will die. Hugo will be another dead dictator, but his family will at least have the comfort of death by natural causes, which will let them pretend he wasn't a monster. Mussolini and Ceaucescu were not given that option.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 10:30 PM (lJJMb)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 10:33 PM (BrZCC)
555 Evening roonz and roonettez! I was supposed to go to the company Christmas party but I blew it off. I don't like those assholes anyway. What's up in Moron-land?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 09, 2012 02:28 AM (yh0zB)
If you don't go to the company Christmas party, then how are you going to bang the secretary on the copy machine?
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 02:29 AM (GULKT)
You always want to be the photographer at the company Christmas party.....it's the gift that keeps on giving.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 10:35 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 09, 2012 02:30 AM (lJJMb)
Yeah, eventually he'll die. But I expect he'll be in Venzuela when that happens. If he's headed to Cuba he's likely still got a lot of time left and its not end stage dead in 3 weeks yet.
Posted by: buzzion at December 08, 2012 10:36 PM (GULKT)
Especially around your annual review/payraise negotiations.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 10:37 PM (HwgHt)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 11:44 PM (d/5qf)
The premise you state for your proposed book reminds me a lot of the themes in works by Franz Kafka. People trapped in a stultifying bureaucracy.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2012 10:40 PM (29+x5)
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 02:29 AM (GULKT)
Depends. Who's secretary?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 08, 2012 10:41 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 02:36 AM (GULKT)
Either way, he will be smelling sulfur soon enough.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 10:43 PM (lJJMb)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 08, 2012 10:43 PM (yh0zB)
552
On the 5th year, we fell back to the mountians. There was nothing left then save for the coastal cities with the roaming gangs who plundered everything that remained and then began to press the remaining Mexicans who had not fled south into the Russian sector into servitude to do the dirty work of burning the bodies left over from the "final Decree" that had been issued forth from the SCFOAMF prior to his boarding of the "Special Jet" as was his station has President of the 1st 4th term. My Family made the passage to the east from the old passes once used by those trying to go west when this country was first made good by those that saw the Fantastic opportunities that were there for those that only wanted to take the chance. Now we retreated back through those same passages.....the end of America as we knew it had begun.....
DANG!!!! Maybe a book?
Posted by: Richard at December 08, 2012 10:46 PM (WsDIO)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 09, 2012 02:43 AM (yh0zB)
I'm going to work, and making sure my team pumps out the widgets like they're supposed to. Anything else is just silly.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 10:53 PM (lJJMb)
getting some good photos of the SMOD
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 08, 2012 11:05 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 11:11 PM (BrZCC)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 11:15 PM (BrZCC)
No offense to those who have actually experienced this but Chavez is a narcissist in the mold of TFG and with more dictatorial police powers (and he's used them on his enemies like TFG) On top of that he's spit in the face of the US repeatedly.
Lastly Sean Penn likes him. That makes him scum in my book. Deserving of the worst that life can throw his way.
Didn't we all know back when he stated so firmly and vigorously that he was now cancer free thanks to those Commie Docs in Cuba that this was the next step?
Try US Health care next time Puerco. Oops too late!
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 08, 2012 11:16 PM (3E2th)
Down to mouth breathing with head in hand and thinking that the previous FULL glass of wine might...have...been..a...tad...past the legal waypoint......
SHOOT that be a CHP in my rearview........time to pull my famous "WEST BOUND on the EAST BOUND 5 Freeway play while throwing full toilet paper rolls out my window....worked last month........
night...............
Posted by: Richard at December 08, 2012 11:16 PM (WsDIO)
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I drink like Hemingway most days and can fish the cocks off anyone on this site.....some days...when I;m not drinking that much...or looking down shotgun barrels and thinking............."HEY!!"....
......jus thinking
Posted by: Richard at December 08, 2012 11:23 PM (WsDIO)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 11:28 PM (BrZCC)
......jus thinking
Posted by: Richard at December 09, 2012 03:23 AM (WsDIO)
but do you have cats like Hemingway?
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at December 08, 2012 11:31 PM (r7Ddb)
What part of a degree gets anyone experience in manufacturing supervision? (that's partly rhetorical).
God, the way we run companies these days it's a wonder anything gets out the door.
From the female psychology major in Human Resources who does the interviewing. (can't talk to the person who will actually be the hirees boss. Oh no. That would make too much sense having the person who knows what is needed and can ask the right questions do the interview.)
To the MBA who's never picked up a screwdriver in their life but now is the one deciding on what specific qualifications someone has to have to actually supervise an assembly line, organize and prioritize competing products runs or sub systems required for final assembly.
To the Accountant who has decided that although you've got 30 years experience in leading people in producing identical assemblies day after day and making sure that each step is done properly and noted correctly for documentation but you're still only worth 20k. All while operating under ridiculously short deadlines and parts shortages or failures.
I wish I could find someone who hires by gut instead of by some approved process formulated by lawyers and employee liability insurers.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 08, 2012 11:34 PM (3E2th)
Posted by: The Dude at December 08, 2012 11:34 PM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 08, 2012 11:36 PM (yh0zB)
cocks off anyone on this site.....some days...when I;m not drinking that
much...or looking down shotgun barrels and
thinking............."HEY!!"....
......jus thinking
Posted by: Richard at December 09, 2012 03:23 AM (WsDIO)
but do you have cats like Hemingway?
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at December 09, 2012 03:31 AM (r7Ddb)
The ones who can hitchhike?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 11:43 PM (kaalw)
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I have loped ear'd Bunnies named Larry, Genghis, (sic) and Grayson who has a large tumor and will die soon...Grayson is the most mellow of the bunny;s, he never even flinches when I'm doing my OODA DRILLS with my cross-bow or ACP 45. Though he sometimes "FLIPS" in place when he hears obama on the radio...never could understand that....yet
Posted by: Richard at December 08, 2012 11:45 PM (WsDIO)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 11:48 PM (BrZCC)
I know...you think...."HE IS BEING SUCH A FUCKTARD!!!!"
I do have the bunny's....that is my life right now... and as a nurse, watching Grayson with that massive tumor on his back and not fess'n up to the fact that I CAN'T AFFORD BUNNY CHEMO OR SURGERY to my kids makes me
very sad.,...and after my close workmate ate a pistol cause he could not do another holiday season....WTF I've already done this post...and SCFOAMF for the next 4 years and if ANYONE asks me WHY I DRINK
WE SHOULD ALL BE DRINKING...YA THINK?????
Posted by: Richard at December 09, 2012 12:03 AM (WsDIO)
Funny stuff -- and a certain bit of truth to it.....but the real problem is that management is not celebrated in the culture. If you have three guys and a pile of lumber, some manual tools, and one guy knows what needs to be done and can lead -- you can have a house in 18 weeks. If you have the same three guys, lumber, tools, and no management, you can have a pile of firewood in 18 weeks.
If you have three guys, a pile of lumber, some power tools, and one leader, you can have a house in 10 weeks. The same inputs without a leader get you a pile of firewood in 10 weeks. What's the most effective ingredient?
For myself, I had a heckuva roller-coaster ride in the 90s. I was a freshly-minted CPA hired by a small high-tech manufacturing company where the owner would sack the production staff -- from GM down to purchasing -- every few months. I came in after one such sacking and discovered that there were $200K in receivables, $1.2M in payables, and inventory in EVERY ROOM OF THE BUILDING (including the men's restroom -- I was taking a leak and looked aside to see a stack of boxes [NB -- I don't know about the women's restroom]). I went to tell someone to stop receiving, return everything nonessential that had been received in the previous 60 days, find anything that was shippable and ship it to someone, find anything that was an hour from shippable and ship it to someone in an hour, and so on......and ended up running production.
I was at this company for 7-1/2 years.....and ran production 7 separate times. I'd get it under control, the owner would hire someone to run it, I'd hand it over, the guy would screw it up, the owner would fire everyone, and (usually about a week later) the owner would ask me to "just deal with it".
Managing production is both an art and a science, and requires a certain aptitude that is actually quite uncommon in the population -- and unrelated to anything academic.
Oh, and must share -- funniest moment from the early days: I'm scrambling, scrambling to make payroll and get out-from-under the totally upside-down crap I'm dealing with, and I'm frantically thinking, "I'm flying totally blind by-the-seat-of-my-pants. I need relevant information NOW to staple this mess together." ......and then it hits me....."er, I'm the accountant." I'd previously been so bound up in the financial end of things that "months of sales in backlog" was an afterthought -- not an "oh, crud, we'd better get a wiggle on in production" moment.....and that the best time to find out about this wasn't four weeks after the end of a quarter, but right when it happened.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2012 12:11 AM (kaalw)
I'm not really here.
Been having a problem with weakness in my arms and legs for over a week now. Been doing some internet research to see if it's just simple hypoglycemia or some other thing. After extensive research I've come to the conclusion I have cancer.
Cooth gets my Rush CDs. All the rest've ya'll can fight over the rest.
Posted by: Robert at December 09, 2012 12:32 AM (4ixH5)
I only came to this site cause I'm trying to work it out...I do NOT care for any one of you, I only came hear to get input from people who talk about "FAPPING" and to hear from others that might provide some answers to my life problems. I did the same on LGF until Mr. Charles went and started doing early versions of "Bath Salts!" I just fell in here because you people thought I was strange enough to hang out. and maybe able to don a SOCK PUPPET or two.........sorry...I can't do SOCK PUPPETS....they smell like jizz......and Val-U-Rite. I have my standards afterall....
GOODNIGHT!!!!!!!
Posted by: Richard at December 09, 2012 12:34 AM (WsDIO)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 09, 2012 12:38 AM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 09, 2012 12:41 AM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 09, 2012 03:36 AM
Yeah, it is. Surprised the shit out of me. Thought it was gonna be another try too hard, not funny, in your face kind of shit that gets pumps out all too often these days. But, it's really good. The 2 parter about the Pirate fortress was the shit. "The 1930's called, they want their anachronisms back."
Posted by: otho at December 09, 2012 12:42 AM (yBF/9)
I'm not really here.
Posted by: Robert at December 09, 2012 04:32 AM (4ixH5)
Good morning. I'm not really reading this anyway.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 09, 2012 12:43 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Malcolm McLaren at December 09, 2012 12:44 AM (sZTYJ)
(A) It's probably not cancer, it's probably neuro (Parkinson's, mad cow, Alzheimer's). Crowdsource that bitch and we'll work on saving your retarded ass.
(B) What makes you think you have any Rush CDs I don't already own?
(C) Gushie was looking for you earlier.
(D) WTF is with your hours? -- did you get involved in that IRL stuff and drift away from the Horde?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2012 12:44 AM (kaalw)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 09, 2012 12:45 AM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 09, 2012 12:46 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: DAve at December 09, 2012 12:47 AM (XDC0v)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 09, 2012 12:47 AM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 09, 2012 12:47 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Fursecution Forever! at December 09, 2012 12:48 AM (sZTYJ)
The Heart of Carolina's Christmas party was fun, though. And it was warm enough that I got to drive around with the top down for a while so the day wasn't totally wasted.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 09, 2012 12:50 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 09, 2012 12:51 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: DAve at December 09, 2012 04:47 AM (XDC0v)
Unfortunately, that's where I used to live -- Santa Clarita (40 miles NW of Los Angeles) -- instead of where I live now, Santa Clara (45 miles SE of San Francisco).
Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2012 12:52 AM (kaalw)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 09, 2012 04:47 AM (yh0zB)
What happens?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2012 12:54 AM (kaalw)
Later roonz and roonettez!
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 09, 2012 12:55 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: DAve at December 09, 2012 12:58 AM (XDC0v)
Posted by: DAve at December 09, 2012 04:58 AM (XDC0v)
Yeah, it's pretty funny that I've gone from Santa Clarita ("saint little claire") to Santa Clara ("saint claire") while moving 300 miles north in 30 years. Just goes to show the interconnectedness of all things.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2012 01:07 AM (kaalw)
It's one of the reasons why all our shit is now being produced in CHINA!
To organize an assembly line that must change periodically from one type of item to another you have to be able to mentally juggle; space, time and the various abilities of the personnel present.
You have to know the operation and process of each item from start to finish as you will;
1) have to show people how to do this (even if you just made these 6 months ago.
2) wind up doing every station by yourself.
3) have to pace the entire operation if there are any delays in the parts that are used in the next process.
You also have to know which parts will normally be the most critical and thus in short supply and which parts will normally have the highest rejection rate and so unusable.
And be able to compensate accordingly.
Yet they think that a college grad with a degree in (what?) can step right in. I understand the degree business. Our high schools are so bad no that no one graduates knowing half of what someone graduating 50 years ago would know.
They have to advertise for someone with a degree just to get someone who's semi literate.
Problem is back at my first comment. You've got some bimbette with a four year liberal arts major degree who took some psychology courses because she is screwed up in the head so she gets a job as a Human Resources clerk and moves up the chain till she's interviewing people who are twice her age and with 20 more points IQ. She sees "degree required" and automatically kicks the app from someone like me who has been working with electrical/mechanical stuff since I was 16 (50 years) and manufacturing for 40 years because "I don't have a degree".
Degree in what you dimbulb?
How's about you ask me some questions about manufacturing and coordination of an assembly line on the fly instead of "where do you see yourself in 5 years?".
Arrrrrggggghhhhhh.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:07 AM (3E2th)
Key words for managers talking to HR: "Oh, you poor thing, I couldn't deal with how much you're overworked. Let me help, just give me the resumes to screen."
Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2012 01:12 AM (kaalw)
I can produce a rabbit out of a hat but I'm not the easiest person to deal with when I'm under pressure and I'm being asked stupid questions.
*sigh* I miss working though.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:15 AM (3E2th)
The work force is disgusted downs tools and walks
innocence is injured experience just talks
everyone seeks damages and everyone agrees
that these are 'classic symptoms of a monetary squeeze'
on ITV and BBC they talk about the curse
philosophy is useless theology is worse
history boils over there's an economics freeze
sociologists invent words that mean 'Industrial Disease'
Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2012 01:16 AM (kaalw)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:17 AM (3E2th)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 05:17 AM (3E2th)
Maybe.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2012 01:20 AM (kaalw)
I have to laugh as I've taken so long to get going and working for myself. I've reorganized and re-laidout assembly lines and storage areas for just about every place I've ever worked for. I'm finally putting my expertise and experience to work for myself.
I'm a great boss for myself though, total slacker. work an hour then go relax and read or browse the webz. The old me would've fired this me in a heartbeat. *tee hee*
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:22 AM (3E2th)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:25 AM (3E2th)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:26 AM (3E2th)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:28 AM (3E2th)
I'll do it again.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:28 AM (3E2th)
Let's see at that rate, I'll reach the "magic number" at about 09:00 or so.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:33 AM (3E2th)
I have to laugh as I've taken so long to get going and working for myself. I've reorganized and re-laidout assembly lines and storage areas for just about every place I've ever worked for. I'm finally putting my expertise and experience to work for myself.
I'm a great boss for myself though, total slacker. work an hour then go relax and read or browse the webz. The old me would've fired this me in a heartbeat. *tee hee*
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 05:22 AM (3E2th)
I've been hoping for a readjustment for a bit over four years. I could probably retire today.......in Tennessee. But I'm in California, as state that is almost as boned as Greece. California has occasionally seen moments of sanity in the past (Reagan as Governor, Prop 13, recall Gray Davis....) and I had some hope that it could show some sanity in 2012 -- no such luck. There are now Dem supermajorities in both houses of the legislature, which means that the bete noire for California progressives for almost 40 years, Prop 13, could get axed. Right now, the poorest areas of California real estate are underwater.......if Prop 13 falls, the richest areas will fall as well.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2012 01:36 AM (kaalw)
that last one's got a nice test pattern.
Oh the memories of waking up to the test pattern and beep after an all nighter.
Me, place I worked at for 18 years closed just before the crash.
I'm old, fat and not a personable person (until I get to know you) so wasn't able to find anywork. Luckily (for me anyway) The Dems spent all the rich peoples money (hey I'm not going to turn it down. When your poor and unemployed, you'll take any hand out) and was able to stretch unemployment and part time work into when I could go on SS. Hated to do it but I was maxing out my credit cards even with UE and savings and the part time work.
Then after struggling with no hope, my car got hit and I didn't have a vehicle to do the part time job anymore.
all I had/have is SS. It's not easy but I've been training for this all my life. I can repair most anything (already have saved myself thousands in repairs I couldn't have afforded otherwise) and I have very simple needs so I'm squeaking by.
When the electricity goes up, I'll be heading for Texas.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:45 AM (3E2th)
On the other I hate having to go to the government for help.
*sigh* I gotta eat and need a roof over my head. I'm too old to live outside. I'll do just about anything to not have than happen. I was homeless once. I literally lived under a bush (a yew tree/shrub) for a while and camped out in a woods near a suburb outside Portsmouth, NH. NOT. FUN.
I'm trying to keep a cool head and ignore the signs of what's coming (so I don't get to het up. I'm stocking as much as I can of things I know I'll need if money gets cut off or the zombies attack)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:50 AM (3E2th)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:51 AM (3E2th)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:53 AM (3E2th)
This is like ebay where everyone's waiting till the last 60 secs to squeeze in one more bid.
Trouble is there's no time limit here.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:55 AM (3E2th)
I'm a California native. I was born here. I'm adapted to the natural environment here, it's in my blood. And the one-time obligation lift from getting the F*** out of here and recurring tax lift from going someplace sane is like an ache.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2012 01:56 AM (kaalw)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 01:57 AM (3E2th)
It's way late, and I'm just getting more surly and depressed. I should better watch some silly things on the interwebz and go to bed.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2012 02:02 AM (kaalw)
you'll adapt to the climate.
Tejas isn't bad. Little dusty in some parts and flat as a pancake. too warmish for me. Plus there's all those . . . Texans. IYKWIM
but I can deal with New Yawkers, I can deal with Texans.
Florida's too hot, too wet and then in the winter you freeze.
I was thinking about moving to Cali. Haven't been there since 1970. I figure since I'm sucking on the gov't teat, I might as well get the primo benefits and climate but NO. I may move to some other state just for the climate though or if things somehow get worse here. If I lose my transportation, I'll have to go. I am not walking miles in the winters here. NONNONNONONONO.
Better Half? Start a wooing campaign. They got a good job? Family nearby? all that? Do they understand what going to happen?
It's not a question of if, it's only a question of when.
My guess? We have less than 5 years before things start getting serious. by serious I mean gov't bankruptcies and bank closures and payments missed by more than a few state governments.
could be sooner if the EU does something stupid or the Iranians nuke Israel.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 02:05 AM (3E2th)
I know you're just hovering over the keyboard waiting, waiting, waiting for the number to come up.
it's a challenge.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 02:08 AM (3E2th)
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Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 02:22 AM (Sz+px)
Posted by: In Cognito at December 09, 2012 02:24 AM (QbxUg)
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Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 06:22 AM (Sz+px)
Sure, playing with your balls is always a good time.
that didn't come out right...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 09, 2012 02:33 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 02:35 AM (Sz+px)
+SmuD was my hash one time, since it was so close to SMOD I keep it around.
No, I predate those posers.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 02:51 AM (Sz+px)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 02:57 AM (3E2th)
(although I still have most of the original set.)
Sounds gnarly and redneckish or dangerous animal nicknamish.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2012 02:59 AM (3E2th)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at December 09, 2012 03:00 AM (3E2th)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 09, 2012 03:02 AM (3E2th)
Bitter clinger, when my husband worked in a consulting business, before he went to work in God-forsaken Africa, I noticed some things he did which might help you. I applied this to my own small eBay business.
1. Have a regular work schedule. My husband's office was in our basement and every day he would shower, dress, make coffee, and then head downstairs saying "I am going to work." He made himself call people, review publications, and work on projects. He would take one break and come upstairs for lunch. I try to run a regular work schedule as well. When I do not, my sales suffer.
2. You might type up an introductory letter to some prospects and offer practical advice at a cut rate, emphasizing your practical experience as training for new engineers. Do not address it to HR, but to people involved in the assembly process.
3. Get out and talk to people. This is the hardest thing for my husband to do as he is not a small-talk person. It is, however, how he wound up getting a job in Africa that pays 3 times what a similar one in the US would, plus living expenses.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 03:10 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 09, 2012 03:29 AM (lJJMb)
Nope. I'm a 60s lad.
I grew up in the 60s...age 13 thru 24. I went to college in the 60s. I enlisted in the 60s. I was married and divorced in the 60s. After my divorce I was lucky enough to be stationed an hour from Bangkok in the 60s. After my divorce I nearly caught pneumonia from waving my crank in the air in Bangkok in the 60s.
I loved me some 60s.
If you were going to be a sexual deviate and get away with it, the 60s were your time. Didn't happen.
Posted by: trainer @ Home at December 09, 2012 05:45 AM (1QEkm)
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Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 05:53 PM (DoZD+)