1
Palin pulled the Alinsky card...

for Newt?

2 A photoshop of Romney as Hannibal Lecter, having just cracked Newt's skull open to feast on his brains, would be sweet.

3 We are becoming the enemy we feared...

4 One of the problems this tactic is inevitably showing is the unwritten rule:  "Business end at other guy."  Probably because the definition of "other guy" has been so subject to personal judgement and grudges.

It may also be due to the fact that there's little perceived difference between the designated "enemy" and many alleged "allies".  The results are telling.

5 Newt won SC because of three reasons (1) Everybody else dropped out and Santorum can't get traction (2) Mutt is seen as a NE liberal and (3) Newt relentlessly attacked the liberal MFM during the debates.

That last one would be what Perry should have done instead of doing the typical Republican cozy up to them.

6 Both these guys will say anything and stake out any ground to hurt their opponent.

If you put a gun to my head I'd probably take Romney over Newt as far as who to beat Obama. But not by much.

I'm rooting for Newt in FL just so a Romney alternative will enter the race.

7

Sarah Palin's entry reminds me a lot of Russ in Winterset's posts.

They each hold an uncanny talent for stating the obvious and stating it weeks after everyone else.

8 Sad to say, but it is looking more and more like my liberal friends were right about her all along.  One trick pony.  And it's getting old.

And the hair.  Ouch.

9 The whole thing is farce from top to bottom. Gingrich as a Washington outsider? Get real.

Alternatively, "The whole thing is farce from top to bottom. Romney as a conservative? Get real."

10

Gabe..

Is this analysis or opinion?

As analysis, in my reading at least, it contributes little to the knowledge base.

As opinion, well opinions are like assholes, as in everybody has one.

However, I sometimes benefit from your legal observations pardner, so keep on writing. It's your God given right.

11 I feel like putting in a wake up call for when this is all over and the only fight is against that SOB obama.

12
This is where we are now. And it's only gonna get worse with these two shit-heels.

“I’m very concerned about those who are already here illegally and how
we deal with those 11 million or so. My heart goes out to
that group of people. ... WeÂ’re not going to go around and round people
up in buses and ship them home.”

13 No one forced her (or subsequently) any member/leaders of the Tea Party to ;endorse' the GasBag. If they hopped on board that train that's now about to head off the cliff,  it's  at their own hand.

Once again, assigning blame for one's own actions.

How very....conservative in nature.

14 I'm hoping someone, anyone, will announce their candidacy at CPAC

15

Palin has been so far ahead of the game as far as inflation, death panels, crony-capitalism that by the time others come around to see those things and say them somehow her credits get dropped, by main stream and by almost every "conservative" source out there.

talk about being alinsky-ed, she recognizes it becasue of what she and her whole family and anyone who publicly supports her has to live through.

 

16 Newt's tepid and timid poor showing at Thurs night's debate?

Well of course its' the fault of the ;cannibals' of the GOP.

17

I resent Palin and Armey, etc. claiming to represent the Tea Party movement.  To me they have simply jumped on a bandwagon to make some money and get recognition.  And this support of Newt proves it.  Sheesh, Newt is as bad if not worse than Romney, he is the elite Washington poilitico.  Personally I don't think he cares about the issues, he just wants to be President for the glory and prestige. 

 

I don't like any of the remaining candidates but this effort to paint Newt as an outsider and a Tea Partier is ridiculous.   I will vote ABO but can we quit buying into Newt just because he hates the media?  I never thought of that as a qualification for President.  Can we focus on what he actually proposes and what he will do? 

18 Not seeing anybody else entering at this point. It is just to late. You can't get on the ballot in many states.

Any of the 'name' candidates (Daniels, Kasich, even Guiliani) would have to explain why they waited so long. And a late entering candidate has to be able to show that they fill a niche that is currently vacant.

Niches currently filled - Christian conservative, social conservative, fiscal hawk, social moderate, nutty libertarian, etc.

The only thing that a new candidate would bring is more likability and less campaign baggage.

19 Sarah is becoming irrelevant to sound thinking conservatives. She hates Romney but ran with a Republican who makes Romney look like Goldwater. Isn't is amazing what a little fame and dollars will do to " political ethics '?

20
Sunday, SUNday, SUNDAY!11!!!!

Come see the alinsky smackdown:  Palin/Gingrich vs  Gabe/Romney!

All proceeds go to obama campaign.  All socialism is final, no returns, rain or shine.

21

 

I still think that we should be looking at "What they will use against us". ....What the DNC will use against either Newt or Romney....since it seems to be coming down to them.

22

Newt as a Washington outsider?  Gabe you idjut -

Newt is the anti GOP establishment candidate, Mitt is the establishment candidate.

The GOP establishment and the Democrat establishment, together make up the whole of the Washington insider mentality.

Those who wish to go against the wishes of those establishments are the outsiders.

It is time America takes back it's government and finally quit voting for the establishment candidates.

 

23
Huckabeef was on Fox News this morning. He's huge, btw. Fatter than ever before.

Anyways, he was on to let everyone know that he does not like Newt using his image and audio in an ad saying Mitt is a liar.

24 I'm a bit perplexed by the whole thing.

If "the establishment" of the Republican Party pushes center right candidates down the throat of "non-establishment" people...which ones are the Republicans In Name Only?

How can you be the "establishment" of the Republican Party...and also be a Republican In Name Only?  It would seem to be an oxymoron.

So, if the polling shows that the country is center right and the Republican "establishment" (is there a program someplace to identify them?), runs center right candidates that reflects that polling data, those most vehemently opposed to those center right candidates would be anti-Republican establishment...or...Republicans In Name Only.

We should probably identify then, what it takes to be a non-establishment oxymoronic Republicans In Name Only.

Identifying characteristics of NeoRINO's

1)Someone who has not made his entire living, from cradle to grave, slopping at the trough of Beltway activities?

2)Someone who never adopts extremist positions of the opposition such as global warming hoaxes, Fannie and Freddie public relations cover ups, individual mandates for the purchase of goods and services, rewarding of border crashing, etc.

3)Would probably be a social conservative on issues of gay marriage, would support Republicans trying to fix the fiscal mess and not call it RIGHT WING social engineering.

So, we have a consummate DC insider saying he's an outsider, who has never had a job that wasn't slopping at the Beltway trough or on the government dime, saying he's not "establishment"...but who claims he helped Reagan,  created the Contract With America and ran the Republican Party for 20 years.

Who's your RINO now?. 

25 Trying to pretend that Gingrich was against Reagan, that he wasn't driven out, by the clique that supported Ney and Cunningham, that would ultimately let the majority to go to ground 8 years later, with Earmarks, and Medicare Part D,
and the Light bumb ban in the Energy Bill.

26 Sarah Palin's entry reminds me a lot of Russ in Winterset's posts.

They each hold an uncanny talent for stating the obvious and stating it weeks after everyone else.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2012 01:35 PM


But, but, but...CUDA! Ever since '08, her fanbois have been telling us she is the Crest of the Conservative Wave, leading all of us in the attack against Obama, moderates and all other evil-type people. Just look and the frenzied fapping that goes on at Tepid Air when a Palin-themed post pops up.

She knows how to sell her "brand," and make a shitload of money in the process. Good for her. Otherwise, she's a would-be mainstream political hack (minus the stones to actually get involved) with a knack for hogging the spotlight.

27 To reiterate my earlier statements; (Best thing about my candidate.) (Worst thing about your candidate.) (Insult.) Does anything else really need be said?

28 Anyone see that little gem at Gateway where Pam Bondi, AG for FL, leading attorney in obamascare case by 26 or so state, is so smitten with her 15 minutes of fame that she will be on the Romneycare National Healthcare Task Force?
Bet she is getting re-edumacated by the Romneybots as we speak.
We are so boned.

29 The brainwashing of the rubes by the Ruling Class is almost complete.

30 Gingrich as a Washington outsider? Get real

*********************

Maybe not an outsider per se but ever since he tried to transform Congress he stepped on a lot of toes in Repuke Central.  Especially the career mutts that wanted no fucking part of term limits that were an integral part of Contract With America.  Do you think it was enjoyable having to vote for RINO trash like Voinovich every fucking election in Ohio?  But the party fuckheads were glad to keep a shithead who never met a tax increase he didn't splooge over in place.

Noot may be a Washington insider but he's not a Repuke in high standing.

31 Gabe, perhaps Palin's complaint has less to do with Alinsky tactics and more to do with who is the target and who is the shooter.

32
This post needs a funny gif with a penguin!

33 Palin reads a few articles, watches some news/opinion shows, jumbles it all up in her mind and then spews it out on her Facebook page, trying to pass it off as valuable insight for us little folks. She has never said anything that wasn't said better by someone else before her.

I support Romney, just as I did in 2008.  Of course Rush and Levin supported Romney too, then McCain won the nomination and picked Palin as his running mate and they went all ga-ga over her. My views have remained consistent throughout yet now according to them and Palin I am a stooge for the establishment.

34

Posted by: RINO hunter at January 28, 2012 01:47 PM (2xf0/)

 

The more I consider the state of the Right today, the more incoherence and sloppy thinking I see. It is very depressing.

35 28 Anyone see that little gem at Gateway where Pam Bondi, AG for FL, leading attorney in obamascare case by 26 or so state, is so smitten with her 15 minutes of fame that she will be on the Romneycare National Healthcare Task Force?
Bet she is getting re-edumacated by the Romneybots as we speak.
We are so boned.

> She is obviously a Romney advocate and she did a poor job of defending his case; however, she never said that Romney wants to impose RomneyCare on the states.

36 This thread is becoming a perfect example of what Palin was addressing. No dealing with the substance of what she said, in context. Just a lot of snark and mischaracterizations.

37 The really, really massive point-miss here is that the prior push toward the *methods* of Alinsky (with different moral goals) was pushed by Palin and others on the right *to be used against the left*. In classic Stupid Party fashion, and weapon, rhetorical or otherwise, created for use against the opposition will find itself more often deployed against allies. In other words, what Obama does to allies outside the country, the Republicans do to allies *inside* the country. It's actually a pretty catastrophically big point to miss, even on a Saturday.

38 Some of the same people Palin is claiming are "Establishment cannibals" equally despise Romney.

39

What is this? Is this something? .....Breitbart has this featured on his site:

.

http:/  /w w w.mittsbloodmoney.com/

.

It's a 7 minute video titled "Mitts Blood Money". .....It seems to be backed up with facts. ....Is this a Gingrich Pac that is behind it?....Or a DNC Pac. ....I really haven't been keeping up with all these Pac's.

.

My only concern is beating the SCoaMT. ....Which is why I am trying to stay focused on what his re-election team will use against our nominee. ....So, if this is something that they can use against Romney, we need to look at it.

40 Orwell, Alinsky, and Goldberg:  Textbook tools to fuck your fellow man for your own self-interest / party / cabal.

Who among us is qualified to discern intent?

41
the 'substance' is well-tread

I'd rather talk about hockey. And I hate hockey.

42 What is this hill you  are choosing to die on, Romneycare, seriously turn in your moron card, the man  has never supported conservatism in any way shape or form,
whereas Newt has strayed on occasion,

43
I have come to the conclusion that the Republican party and the RINO party are the same thing.  In other words, there is no such thing as a RINO, just a big govt party slightly to the right of the dems.

44 Just a lot of snark and mischaracterizations. Posted by: stevea28 at January 28, 2012 01:51 PM (EsPiA) Well, the thread was created by a palinoiac to stir up shit among other palinoiacs as well as palinistas. So it was guaranteed to have a low signal/noise ratio.

45 I'd rather talk about hockey. And I hate hockey.

 ^^^
How 'bout monkeys??

*runs like hell out of the room*

46

ItÂ’s no secret that IÂ’ve backed Palin, so unsurprisingly I agree with her in this instance.

 

I believe itÂ’s not productive or helpful the republican goal of defeating Obama to have conservatives using half-truths and distortions against other conservatives. 

 

IÂ’m certain Gabe feels that if someone adopts a tactic like “making the enemy live up to its own book of rules”, they automatically become the whole of Alinsky, taking on every other aspect of his radicalism.  So now Palin is a communist community organizer, probably loosely associated with other radical groups who want sounder monetary policy and the gassing of Jews.

47 To reiterate my earlier statements;

(Best thing about my candidate.)

(Worst thing about your candidate.)

(Insult.)

Does anything else really need be said?

(Furious (Insult) Retort)(Insult.)

48
The only thing I hate more than hockey is fucking monkeys.

49 Newt's two most significant ventures in going against the Republican establishment recently consisted of helping undermine NY-22 by endorsing Scozzafava and undermining Paul Ryan's budget plan. I don't consider those plusses. He is more conservative than Romney in that he probably at least has some conservative principles, whereas Romney hasn't demonstrated much of any, but he has a track record that does not match what people would normally think of as a Tea Partier.

50 Via POLITICO's Reid Epstein, NBC News and Tom Brokaw are loudly objecting to the Mitt Romney campaign's use of footage from the 1990s in an ad blasting Newt Gingrich over his House ethics charges. Brokaw, whose statement noted he was speaking on his behalf, said, "I am extremely uncomfortable with the extended use of my personal image in this political ad. I do no want my role as a journalist compromised for political gain by any campaign." "The NBC Legal Department has written a letter to the campaign asking for the removal of all NBC News material from their campaign ads," NBC News said in a statement, which added, "Similar requests have gone out to other campaigns that have inappropriately used Nightly News, Meet the Press, Today and MSNBC material." Romney aides said they hadn't yet heard from NBC News. On a basic level, the flap around the spot simply calls more attention to it, which is presumably part of Team Romney's calculus. yeah, right, because everyone knows NBC and MSNBC are so impartial?

51 I don't get the weird fixation with Alinsky.

52 It's Palin, let's get her!

53
My only concern is beating the SCoaMT. ....Which is why I am trying to stay focused on what his re-election team will use against our nominee. ....So, if this is something that they can use against Romney, we need to look at it.

Isn't this what Palin is saying????
Better vet this dude, now.  This is why obots want romney to win the nomination.
And, remember, they lie.  ALOT.

54 (Furious (Insult) Retort)(Insult.) Posted by: Captain at January 28, 2012 01:56 PM (Nq/UF) (Diversionary misappropriation of other person's quote.) (Personal insult.) (Passive-aggressive minimizing statement of who started what.) (Insincere winking smiley.)

55 So after SC pro-Romney Washington insiders swarm out of the woodwork to denounce Newt, point out his obvious flaws as a candidate, explain that even the people who used to work with him in Congress hate his guts, and he is so alienated from the movers and shakers he couldn't get anything done anyway and now we are wondering why Newt might get some traction as an outsider?

This is as goofy as blaming Newt for Romney being perceived as an immigration hardliner after the Mittster spent (how many?) debates kicking Perry in the nuts over immigration.

The problem is the candidate, he's really not very good at politics.

56 Here is a sample from Palin's post. "As I said in my speech in Iowa last September, the challenge of this election is not simply to replace President Obama. The real challenge is who and what we will replace him with. ItÂ’s not enough to just change up the uniform. If we donÂ’t change the team and the game plan, we wonÂ’t save our country. We truly need sudden and relentless reform in Washington to defend our republic, though itÂ’s becoming clearer that the old guard wants anything but that. That is why we should all be concerned by the tactics employed by the establishment this week. We will not save our country by becoming like the left." If all you get from this sample and her entire post is her hypocrisy or unawareness regarding Alinsky tactics, then you need to go back and try again.

57 It is the dishonesty and "cut the real conservative's throat" tactics that Romney and his goons are employing. 

If Newt is still an insider, who is he inside with?  It seems the big money and old Fannie/Freddie lobbyists are with the liberal Mittster.

Is Newt closer to Tea party values than Mitt?  Of course he is.  Did he stand up to new taxes by Bush?  Yes ... so he was against higher taxes ... and then scorned by his own party for not being a team player ... that almost sounds like a good tea partier.

http://fwd4.me/0kz7

Newt on Greta ... pretty good stuff

58 I'm hoping someone, anyone, will announce their candidacy at CPAC
Posted by: Jose
.........
No way, Jose.

You are probably hoping St. Sarah will jump in, eh?  Well, that would be the frosting on the cake of this miserable eff'n primary season, wouldn't it?

59

The only thing I hate more than hockey is fucking monkeys.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2012 01:56 PM (sqkOB)

 

You forgot midgets and clowns.

 

How could you forget midgets and clowns?

60 It's Palin, let's get her!

Yeah! I've got the torches, did you remember to bring the pitchforks this time?

61
Mr. Kotter, sorry I'm such a turd candidate. But I have an excuse.

/takes out wrinkled piece of paper:

"Dear Mr. Kotter,
My son is a lousy candidate because he has no scruples.

Signed,

RomneyGingrichEpstein's Mother"

62 If all you get from this sample and her entire post is her hypocrisy or unawareness regarding Alinsky tactics, then you need to go back and try again. Posted by: eman at January 28, 2012 01:59 PM (pn8u0) Palin is a "divisive figure" because some people have a screaming fit when her name comes up. Which makes her divisive. We didn't do this with Obama during the Democrat primaries, because we're the Stupid Party. We only do that during Republican primaries. (Makes Cuckoo gesture.)

63 "The really, really massive point-miss here is that the prior push toward the *methods* of Alinsky (with different moral goals) was pushed by Palin and others on the right *to be used against the left*. "

Yes. To be used on enemies of the right like those evil vulture capitalists at Bain and heartless bastards like Romney who'd gleefully deport thousands of sweet abuelitas.

64 Can you be this dense Gabriel ? she is taking them to task "for using Alinsky tactics against Newt Gingrich" against Newt you idiot ... not for the tactics in general ... I notice that Romney supporters act like liberals in their defense of Mitt ... attack the messenger, use out of context or outright lies to smear and never ever point out Mitts positives ... I guess that fits since Romney is really a liberal at heart ...

65
So now we have the second Romney surrogate talking about implementing his slightly different version of Obamacare and how Mandates are conservative.  That's just peachy.

If Newt or Santorum or Paul don't use these in commercials right away, they have truly bad campaigns.  but I bet they will and they should.

66

The only thing I hate more than hockey is fucking monkeys.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2012 01:56 PM (sqkOB)

 

Hey, suck a bag of dicks, eh? - you monkey-fucking hoser!

67 I'm thinking that my parents and/or grandparents were not crazy about either Nixon or Goldwater but toed the line and voted against the radical Democrat in those elections. I don't recall hysterics and "woe is me, end of world lamentations and hair on fire." Nope, they just voted (R).

Since when did we require a perfect candidate who we love? I don't want a messiah, I just want to see Obama and Co. hit the road on January 20, 2013 at noon. Is that too much to ask? I invite you all to a party here on that date. The meal will mostly be champagne.

I am voting Romney on Tuesday. For Fla Senate: Connie Mack (I made sure he was with Romney and not ticking me off ala Crist. He also made money on Freddie Mac via investments, as did my aunt and other people I know. However, unlike Newt, they did not advise the lender and make $25k/mo).

While I would rather be voting for Rick Perry on Tuesday, and Hasner for Senate (Rubio's bud, only polling 6%) I am trying to figure out how to beat the Dems. Today Mac polled three points behind Botox-eyes Nelson (Demoncrap) and that is a pretty big deal.

That said, am voting for whoever wins vs Jug Ears in November. I can't get too wrapped up in who I'd rather be voting for. That is all.

68 I've been lurking/ occasionally posting here for going on 6 years. I have always enjoyed coming here mostly for the laughs, but I have learned a surprising number of important things and made some very helpful discoveries from you morons that have improved my life in some significant ways. But, mostly it's the laughs. The last year or so it has seemed to me that this place is changing. Arguments are sharper and more personal. In a word, for me at least, it is becoming toxic. I have always sort of smirked a bit when someone would give a "taking my ball and going home" speech, but I am getting tired of the pissing contests. Maybe it's just me.

69 You are probably hoping St. Sarah will jump in, eh? Well, that would be the frosting on the cake of this miserable eff'n primary season, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 28, 2012 02:00 PM (UTq/I)

**************************

No, your subsequent suicide would be so we wouldn't have to read your dumbfuck comments.

70 For Pete's sake. I'm not shocked at the behavior of any of these candidates. Since I was in college decades ago, and first started voting, I've been disappointed about presidential candidates. There has not been one presidential election, with the exception of Reagan, where I didn't have to hold my nose as I voted. And Reagan did an illegal alien amnesty. There is not going to be a candidate who is perfect. These people are politicians. To realize just how flawed politicians in general are, look at congress. Is there a bigger bunch of self-serving buffoons anywhere on the planet? I will gladly drag my butt out of the house and vote for ABO.

71 morals and ethics of Martin Luther King


Hahahaha.

72 obama is the enemy keep your eye on the ball don't get distracted obama is the enemy get your head out of your ass wake up and smell the coffee Focus people focus obama is the enemy save it for the game win baby win

73 Scozzafava was the choice of the NY Republican Party. That is why he endorsed her. He later admitted that he should have dome more research before endorsing her.

74 Not content to drag Bob "Tax Collector for the Liberal Welfare State" Dole out of a retirement home and in front of a camera to opine on who he thinks is electable, Romney is now running commercials of Tom fucking Brokaw against Gingrich.

75 I understand the primary angst and have felt it myself. This feels like a last chance to save the country. Initially a lot of people thought "anybody can beat Barry and the important thing is to get a replacement that will reverse course" Of course any actual candidate was going to have some baggage that the MFM could use to hinder them to protect their marxist hero. And now we are down to 3 candidates and IMO none of them is the champion we were hoping for. Well DUH, no one who truly dislikes government power is going to run the MFM gauntlet to become head of that power. It will be up to individuals to demand their freedoms back, but step 1 has got to be getting rid of the SCOAMT that is very effectively playing the race card to avoid the checks and balances --which were already much weakened by congress continually handing power away to avoid being held accountable at election time.

76 44
I have come to the conclusion that the Republican party and the RINO party are the same thing. In other words, there is no such thing as a RINO, just a big govt party slightly to the right of the dems.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2012 01:54 PM (XrrP7)
^^^

You get a star. The small government chair has not been at the big boy table in over 100 years in both parties.

77 Hey, it can get worse in the future. Want to place bets that at some point in the future, Ms. McCain will hoist those puppies up and run for president?

78
I can get this station called MeTv on my HDTV air signal.
They air a lotta good stuff such as Bob Newhart, Mary Tyler Moore, and Dick Van Dyke, etc.

yesterday's episode of That Girl had on Ethel Merman

just mentionin

79 I will vote ABO but can we quit buying into Newt just because he hates the media?<<< I'd agree if the media weren't such committed leftists. Also voting ABO, but until the general I have my preferences.

80 Posted by: stevea28 at January 28, 2012 02:08 PM (EsPiA)

...it was pretty much the same here around late 2007 and 2008...people just getting hopped-up about 'their candidate'.

81 >>>>but I am getting tired of the pissing contests. Maybe it's just me.

Drink more water.


Actually its just because OdipO is so so so miserable, and everyone wants somebody to beat him soundly and since no one current candidate can appeal to the majority everybody is a little tense about the primaries.  Once the nominee is selected in will be all humorous anti-obama all the time.

82 66 So now we have the second Romney surrogate talking about implementing his slightly different version of Obamacare and how Mandates are conservative. That's just peachy.

> Where did Ms. Bondi say that Romney was going to impose RomneyCare on the states?

83 The Alinskyization of American politics is not a good thing whether we need to fight fire with fire or not. It's too bad.

84 You will never get Sarah because you are a dumbass.

Read her words, not the thoughts you create for those words to mean.

85 Newts class warfare crap is pushing me toward Romney and despise Romney

86 78  Hey, it can get worse in the future. Want to place bets that at some point in the future, Ms. McCain will hoist those puppies up and run for president?

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 28, 2012 02:12 PM (Npzzl)

Dear God no!

87 It was my understanding the Alinsky handout at Freedom Works was to educate those at the organization in order to understand what they were up against. Sort of a school type reading about the enemy so you know how to fight it. Possibly like how we water board our guys, so they know what water boarding is like if they are water boarded, or know how far to take it if they have to water board a scum sucking terrorist. It was also my understanding that Dick had jumped the Estab shark, and was no longer with the Dark Side. I do not regularly chat with Dick, but his actions in the past several years would not, or could not IMHO, be considered Establishmentesque. Strategically, applying Alinsky tactics to the enemy is not anti-Conservative. At least not to me. Isolating the target, surrounding it, and bitch slapping it back to the 4th century sounds awesome. I am not advocating lying about the opponent, as all Alinskyites do, but we have tried fighting the gentlemanly way, and that has not worked so well for Conservatives in the past. Hello Clinton, and now Teh Won. What Palin was pissed over was the lying part. They on purpose lied about what Newton said. Not to mention the number of folks surrounding Newt memeing the mantra of the day in some sort of chorus like sing song. Winning battles sometimes means you have to adapt to the new forms of warfare. We had to adapt to those nasty Panzer tank attacks. The same can be said when it came to how we changed warfare during the Revolutionary War. We started fighting more like the Indians, and quit all that lining up, and shooting each other on a field nonsense. We won. I read Palin's comments as an objection to the lying parts of Alinsky. She was objecting to Abrams' lying about what Newt actually said on the floor of the House. He was either, "spoon fed", as Rush has suggested, these lies, or as Palin suggests, was lying to service the Romney campaign. Probably a bit of truth to both their takes. In addition, there is, as Palin says, a concerted effort on the part of Fox, and other Conservative media outlets, to get Mittens the nomination. O'Reilly daily performs rather disgusting acts on the posterior of Mittens. Lots of love from the so called "no spin zone". And Brit Hume was nearly jumping out of seat with aggravation over Newt winning SC. He has been unusually snarky towards Santorum and Newton. So, I get Palin's angst with those in the media not vetting more aggressively the "Electable" candidate. I must add, that Hannity has also been rather revolting on his own butt love version for Newton. Ick! Over at Gateway Pundit is a nice tidbit from Pam Bondi regarding Romneycare, and where Mittens wants to take the country regarding Obamacare. It should scare the hell out of anyone who says they are Conservative, or for the Constitution. It is something "to get angry about", and Newton and Santorm should be using a bullhorn to spread the word. I highly suggest folks check it out. Rather revealing. And in particular notice where Bondi says, "try" to remove Obamacare. Sunlight moment. In any case, I do not care who uses what strategy as long as Obama is defeated. If using reverse Alinsky tactics, honed for Conservatives to use, then get at it, and get it done, and ASAP. But lying about Newt is not the way to do this, and to me it only shows that all those claims about Mittens being the dragon slayer only when it is a Republican, might just have a ton of merit. To date, Mittens has deployed the arsenal against Republicans, and shown much more restraint when a Democrat was involved. Where are all those awesome attacks on Obama for McCain during the 2008 race from the Romney camp? Where were all those attack ads on behalf of 2010 candidates for governor from the Romney camp against Dem candidates for governor? Hello? Just saying that Palin has a point.

88 Why do I believe that Ms. McCain is headed for a political career? Because she has all the qualifications: narcissism unearned self-esteem delusions of competence no real world skills no actual accomplishments no talents big boobehs she's, like, articulate

89 So now we have the second Romney surrogate talking about
implementing his slightly different version of Obamacare and how
Mandates are conservative.

Does anyone actually ever watch the videos containing these supposedly-damning statements, or do they just assume they're being accurately informed as to the contents by agenda-free bloggers?

90 I don't think that every harsh political tactic originated with Alinsky.  In fact, I would say that nothing Alinsky wrote was original except that he summarized it and put it in one place.

Not even that, he just made a how-to book out of Machiavelli.

91 That's right, morons and moronettes, we're gonna be faced with having to vote for Ms. McCain in order to get some democrat out of office. Now I think I'll go shoot myself.

92 > Where did Ms. Bondi say that Romney was going to impose RomneyCare on the states?

^^^

I just saw it on a blog. You didn't actually expect me to watch the video did you? No, I'm just going to go with what someone is saying. It's easier that way.

93 Apparently nobody actually READ HER FUCKING POST. She was talking specifically about the doctoring of Gingrich's statements about Reagan to make it look like he was attacking him. And this is being done by Romney, who was so embarrassed by Reagan he left the Republican party. Anybody who fails to see this is being deliberately obtuse. One other bone to pick: I agree that some of the attacks on Bain by Gingrich were below the belt. But the Romneybots didn't seem to give a fuck about left-wing OWS tactics when Romney was demagogue-ing the shit out of entitlements to attack Perry.

94 Titsie McCain would make a fantastic Blue Dress Czar in any administration except for the current one, because Barky is, you know, special.

95 92 That's right, morons and moronettes, we're gonna be faced with having to vote for Ms. McCain in order to get some democrat out of office.
Now I think I'll go shoot myself.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 28, 2012 02:18 PM (Npzzl)

 

 

I doubt it.  That stupid bint will probably decide she's a democrat by the time she wants to run.  Afterall the only reason she's a Republican is so she could vote for daddy.

96

I always assume the comments are from agenda free bloggers.  I mean here at the AoSHQ they are all agenda free bloggers and commenters.  Right?

97 I just saw it on a blog. You didn't actually expect me to watch the video did you? No, I'm just going to go with what someone is saying. It's easier that way.

Good for you. If you fill your head up with facts it gets all heavy and you have to walk around all like bent over.

98 I have a dream of a bra-less society, where perkies and saggers can live side-by-side, regardless of cup size. Where people are judged by the boldness of their highlights, not the color of their roots.

99
  So Romney or Gingrich will be the "hill to die on", looks like.

  Maybe that should read "speed bumps".

100 All I'm looking at right now is that Newt and Romney are Americans. I want the Indonesian out of the WH.

101 College presidents pan Obama cost-control plan AP Last Updated: 12:46 PM, January 28, 2012 Posted: 12:45 PM, January 28, 2012 More Print WASHINGTON — Fuzzy math, Illinois State University's president called it. "Political theater of the worst sort," said the University of Washington's head. President Barack Obama's new plan to force colleges and universities to contain tuition or face losing federal dollars is raising alarm among education leaders who worry about the threat of government overreach. Particularly sharp words came from the presidents of public universities; they're already frustrated by increasing state budget cuts. The reality, said Illinois State's Al Bowman, is that simple changes cannot easily overcome deficits at many public schools. He said he was happy to hear Obama, in a speech Friday at the University of Michigan, urge state-level support of public universities. But, Bowman said, given the decreases in state aid, tying federal support to tuition prices is a product of fuzzy math. Welcome to the party: Everything this lying sack of shit says is fuzzy or an outright falsehood.

102 According to Palin,

Newt's (& Newt's supporters') hard-ball attacks on Romney (including flagrantly deceptive OWS-style attacks on venture capitalism): "vetting" the candidates.

Romney's (& Romney's supporters') hard-ball attacks on Newt: Alinsky!!!!!!! Crucifixion!!!!!!

103
Listen, just the defense of Romneycare is support for Obamacare.  Obamacare is the son of Romneycare. 

Ms. Bondi is wrong, she claims that Romneycare lowers costs, that is provably false.  She says "Mitt Romney's plan" in that interview.  Is that not Romneycare?  Did he say "mandates are conservative"?  why yes, yes it is and yes he did.

104

The way I see it.....the Dems went through several power struggles in the last 25 years, between the uber-liberal-commie wing and the semi-conservative wing. .....The uber-liberal-commie wing won out.

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The Dem party used to be the more conservative party of the two. ....Now it is not. ....Which is why conservative guys like Cheney, Reagan and Perry left the Dem party.

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We have a similar power struggle going on now....in the Repub party. ....Between the old-guard-squishy-liberal wing and the conservative wing.

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The old-guard-squishy-liberal wing of the R-party was handed a warning and some chastisement in 2006....when they lost their majorities in both houses. ....Conservative R's stayed home in droves....and said fuck you.

.

It didn't get much better in 2008, when we conservatives were forced to vote for McCain....."for the greater good".

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In 2010....the R's were given another chance, when conservatives turned out and gave them a majority again in the House. ....But it came with a caveat....'You are on probation'.

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The old-guard-squishy-liberal wing of the R-party seems to have forgotten that they are still 'on probation'.....and are trying to force Romney down our throats, and then plan to tell us "You have no choice. You must vote for our guy, or else have 4 more years of the O".

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I think that the old-guard-squishes are vastly underestimating the resentment that they are creating. .....This is what worries me. This could lose us the elections....not just the presidential one, but the down-ticket ones as well. 

105

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2012 02:25 PM (i6RpT)

Suddenly they're worried about govt overreach when it starts reaching out for them. Classic.

106 This is an incredibly dumb post at AoS's. The cut through the BS response is that you use Alinsky tactics on your opponent not each other.

Geez how did this post get written?

107 36 This thread is becoming a perfect example of what Palin was addressing. No dealing with the substance of what she said, in context. Just a lot of snark and mischaracterizations. Yeah, the out-of-context quotes about Reagan she mentioned were egregious. Saw a new one this morning: apparently Huckabee is complaining about a 2008 quote Newt used in a Florida ad; Huckabee is claiming it wasnÂ’t about Romney, and Romney wasnÂ’t even named. But Huckabee himself does name Romney ten seconds into the ad, and the ad features RomneyÂ’s photo first thing. I am no fan of Gingrich (I really hate this lineup), but if you have to rewrite history to make your point, you donÂ’t have a point.

108
Our commenters are all free-range commenters.

We are fed organic grain, too.

109 >>>>>One other bone to pick: I agree that some of the attacks on Bain by Gingrich were below the belt. But the Romneybots didn't seem to give a fuck about left-wing OWS tactics when Romney was demagogue-ing the shit out of entitlements to attack Perry.>>>>>

The difference is that Romney's demagoguery was aimed at the words of the individual politician he was up against, while Newt's demagoguery is aimed at the principles of conservatism itself; namely, the right to accumulate wealth and not be taxed prohibitively in order to have that wealth redistributed.

Newt's attacks echo Obama's class-warfare strategy, which he's going to use to try and win the election. Newt essentially criticized capitalism itself. He also echoed the left's notion that enforcing laws means you're "anti-immigrant."

I'm no "Romneybot"; he's a plastic weirdo who rarely shows a spine. But Gingrich shows much more of a propensity to criticize the principles of his own ideology than Romney does.

110 When I'm elected president of something, I promise to implement a haters tax on all, umm, you haters out there and also, pasta products will be subslidised by the people and for the people, or something like that.

111 One other bone to pick: I agree that some of the attacks on Bain by Gingrich were below the belt. But the Romneybots didn't seem to give a fuck about left-wing OWS tactics when Romney was demagogue-ing the shit out of entitlements to attack Perry.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at January 28, 2012 02:21 PM (CAaOx)

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Noot will never be even remotely close to what I consider an ideal candidate, as what you said illustrates.  But the same crew of skidmarks that are always lecturing me to not let the lack of perfection stand in the way have been the ones putting the wood to him.

112
Jack Del Rio is now the defensive coordinator for the Denver Tebows.

113 "He said he was happy to hear Obama, in a speech Friday at the University of Michigan, urge state-level support of public universities." Yeah, because Michigan is just rolling in money to increase spending on state universities. These liberals have absolutely no sense of reality. None. We put universities in the control of these 'tards? Here's what to do. Adjust professors' and instructors' pay and benefits. Make them teach more hours per week. If ALL of the universities did this, the profs would have to accept reality.

114 @ 83 Posted by: M80B at January 28, 2012 02:14 PM (d6QMz)

Pam Bondi didn't say the misleading title on Gateway Pundit. Jeepers, did people listen to the video? She was a dumb blonde (and normally does not come across that way) in differentiating the state healthcare law of MA from Obammycare, but she never, ever said it would be implemented in all 50 states...or I saw a different version.

The best I can decipher from all of this hype, is this:
1) Romney has said, repeatedly, that he will repeal Obamacare the first day in office.

2) Romney, while needing a clearer voice, said Romneycare was voted by all of the MA Congress. He vetoed 8 provisions, which were over-ruled by the MA Democrat majority with two votes against the bill.

3) While I do not ever want Obamacare, as a healthcare worker I understood the original reason for the healthcare law in MA: ED visits costing billions. Unfortunately Romneycare has not fixed it due to these tax free illegals still impacting Emergency Departments nation wide (and Romney needs to state this if he hasn't). See my healthcare rant in Sat. am discussion below: Illegals are costing over $1 billion of taxes in hospitals a year, yet sending over $23 billion to Mexico per year. This group and illegals and frauds milking Medicaid are the root cause of our healthcare mess, and are the reason hospitals are closing their doors.

4) As Ms80's or Miss Marple or someone else said earlier: ALL three of the candidates (Romney, Newt and Santorum) have supported the individual mandate in the past. I do not support this nor fines, but I do support even illegals and homeless paying a co-pay or bartering chickens at the door of the ED. Healthcare is not free.

5) Pam Bondi, Floriduh's AG, led the lawsuit of states against Obamacare. Perhaps all of the state's AG's will be on Romney's team to begin correcting healthcare. She was a big doofus on Greta but is normally better, and I voted for her against the Dem in 2010. While I cannot stand Bill McCollum, former AG and wimp, I do credit him with the original lawsuit she is carrying out.

115 But the same crew of skidmarks that are always lecturing me to not let the lack of perfection stand in the way have been the ones putting the wood to him.

Yes, it's freakin' hilarious. I guess Mitt is the One True Moderate as was foretold in the ancient prophecies.

116

Break Glass and Use in Case of Argumentative Emergency

Alinsky
Not the hill to die on
Overton window

117 Lets mark it.
Not over after Florida. Sara Palin win.
Over after Florida. Gabriel Malor win.

118 If the election was about substance perry would be the guy this is about style so all bets are off

119 This WV/Sycacuse game on ESPNU is most excellent.

120 47 ItÂ’s no secret that IÂ’ve backed Palin, so unsurprisingly I agree with her in this instance.

I believe itÂ’s not productive or helpful the republican goal of defeating Obama to have conservatives using half-truths and distortions against other conservatives.

Posted by: jwest at January 28, 2012 01:55 PM (FdndL)   *****   Yes, well, the problem with that is, Newt Gingrich - you know, supposed Tea Party Champion, whom Sarah Palin is apparently now trying to drag to a win in Florida, has done the same thing and used the "tactics of the left" to spread half-truths and distortions about Romney.  His hands aren't exactly clean here.  It was just, what? 2-3 weeks ago, that people were decrying Gingrich for his Bain attacks?   That's why Palin is considered a hypocrite.    

121 Something I don't understand is why *some* of the same people who're angry about not having better candidates will also harshly criticize every last person on that list. Daniels? Bald and boring. Jindal? Well, he once delivered a bad speech so he can't be a presidential candidate. Christie? Obnoxious and too liberal. (Etc.) For all their faults, those men would be superior to what we have now.

122 This WV/Sycacuse game on ESPNU is most excellent. Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 28, 2012 02:35 PM (phgnV) Thanks, I just put it on

123 Posted by: ChristyBlinky loves Rubio at January 28, 2012 02:33 PM (baL2B) A better GOP candidate would have vetoed all of MassCare. A better GOP candidate would have offered free market alternatives to MassCare. A better GOP candidate would understand and say the high cost of medical care derives from government interference in the market. A better GOP candidate would never say the answer to a problem is to do what the Democrats want, but dilute it a bit.

124 If the election was about substance perry would be the guy this is about style so all bets are off

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 28, 2012 02:34 PM (NQhK1)

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I liked Perry.  A LOT!  But the substance of his defense against giving ILLEGALS in-state tuition was to call those of us against that idea "Heartless" that is an effing SUBSTANCE issue and not style.  Let's not re-write when his support began to COLLAPSE.

 

The butthurt is getting to insane levels in every prez camp, and some bloggers *gabe*cough*cough*, as well as "conservative journalists"

ANYONE BUT THE STUTTERING CLUSTERFUCK OF A MISERABLE FAILURE

125 I admit I was a little jealous when Bristol Palin was on Dancing With the Stars, but I do have my name on the list for "Cake Wars", so keep your fingers crossed.

126 Go Orunj!

127

119 If the election was about substance perry would be the guy this is about style so all bets are off

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Exactly.

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Palin has dried blood on her claws....Perry  blood. .....If she were in fact, the standard bearer for the 'true conservative principles' that she claims to be....then she should not have attacked Perry, and stood by watching while all her surrogates tore him to shreds.....all in the name of that wonderful "vetting" that she keeps extolling the virtues of. 

128 Thanks, I just put it on

^^^

Not as fun as we're no longer watching to think if they'll be dethroned as Notre Dame took care of that last weekend but it's been a fun watch.

I love the next 2 months of college ball.

(More so this year as it provides a nice distraction from all this political dramarama)

129 Off to watch basketball. I do wonder how some posters are getting that neat question mark/black diamond thingie in their comments.

130

Farce is right.  Just when I think you Beta Make Dickless Wonders can't go any lower one of you always manages it.

131 They took issue with some of Bain's practices, that's not nearly the same, Bain the company that gives more money to Democrats than to it's own standard bearer, also the company behind Clear Channel, which explains their editorial slant of late.

132 You almost always get it wrong, Malor

"Extremism is the defense of liberty is no vice; and let me remind you that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

If you were a conservative ( instead of a mostly-single-issue libertarian ) you'd consider that before snark-posting

When faced with insurgency, genius, a wise hombre employs counter-insurgency.  They are NOT the same.

here's the Junior Scholastic version, just for you:  Fighting Fire with Fire is NOT the same as starting a fire.

133 Go Orunj!

^^^^

Indeed!

And Americans don't even know any of this bc the cocksuckers at ESPN edited all his dipshittery out of their footage.

Sucker. Of. Cock.

134 Noot will never be even remotely close to what I consider an ideal candidate, as what you said illustrates. But the same crew of skidmarks that are always lecturing me to not let the lack of perfection stand in the way have been the ones putting the wood to him. Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2012 02:31 PM (+beFd) Exactly. And Brooks, Frum, Parker, Noonan and the rest of their Romneybot ilk, ALL OF WHOM SUPPORTED OBUTTFUCK IN '08 BECAUSE THEY HATED PALIN, are now going to lecture the rest of us how we must obediently line up behind their limpdick, milquetoast, establishment squish RIGHT NOW, after only three states have voted. And if we don't we're not "team players". And anybody who criticizes their Precious Little Mittens or points out his flaws is WORSE THAN HITLER and should be thrown out of the party.

135

 

"Gingrich as a Washington outsider? Get real."

So why does the establishment hate him?

136 Nora I am comfortable enough with my heartlessness not to care when someone calls me heartless

137 115 @ 83 Posted by: M80B at January 28, 2012 02:14 PM (d6QMz)

Pam Bondi didn't say the misleading title on Gateway Pundit. Jeepers, did people listen to the video? She was a dumb blonde (and normally does not come across that way) in differentiating the state healthcare law of MA from Obammycare, but she never, ever said it would be implemented in all 50 states...or I saw a different version.

> It was a rhetorical. People are contorting her statement about creating good healthcare by assuming it means Romney will impose RomneyCare on the states. I understand that people do not trust him on the issue of healthcare and for good reason, but it is wrong to put words in her mouth.

138 I do wonder how some posters are getting that neat question mark/black diamond thingie in their comments.

^^^
 Sometimes I get this on firefox. I have no clue what it is -- I"m not seeing it now though

139 We've got a fundamental problem in that our candidate right now should be a solidly conservative governor who has proven his or her credentials outside of DC - and is willing to fight both the Democrats and the Republican establishment.

Unfortunately the State Media took down Sarah Palin, and she made a mistake in resigning from the Governor's office.

So now we've got 3 establishment Republicans, and one crank.

And oddly out of the remaining four, the one who is the most conservative, most willing to fight, and least tied to the establishment is polling 3rd or 4th. Why Sanoturm isn't the alternative to Romney is perplexing.

140 Who knew it would take this long to get rid of the smell from someone beaching a Yoshi on the blog?

141 134 You almost always get it wrong, Malor

"Extremism is the defense of liberty is no vice; and let me remind you that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

If you were a conservative ( instead of a mostly-single-issue libertarian ) you'd consider that before snark-posting

When faced with insurgency, genius, a wise hombre employs counter-insurgency. They are NOT the same.

here's the Junior Scholastic version, just for you: Fighting Fire with Fire is NOT the same as starting a fire.

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 28, 2012 02:42 PM (UqKQV)

This would be applicable only if Palin wasn't whining about Alinsky tactics... did you even read the post?

142 Anytime the establishment is shoving a candidate down our collective throats, you know there are back room deals and we're going to be ripped off.
Newt is an opportunist and swayed by global players and their big money but Romney is old money connected bloodline sellout backstabber betrayer of the USA sons of bitches.

143 >So why does the establishment hate him?

Two reasons.

The bigger one is Romney has been following the establishment process since 2008 to get everything set for his coronation. Newt hasn't kissed the right pinky rings and made the right promises.

The lessor reason is that Newt is a wildcard. He could prove the second incarnation of Reagan both on the campaign trail and as president. Or he could crash and burn. Or he could suddenly pick up some leftist technocratic idea and run with it to the exclusion of all else.

144 If I could go back in time to tell Palin anything, I would tell her to not resign as governor.

If she was serious about being a political figure, she would have stuck it out. That would have given her much more credibility to people like me. I'm not saying her motives were unserious, but it certainly was a mistake, and a politically fatal one at that.

145 "I am comfortable enough with my heartlessness not to care when someone calls me heartless

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 28, 2012 02:45 PM (NQhK1)"

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 Fabulous for you, however that was a POLICY disagreement and Perry COULDN'T JUST DISAGREE WITH THE POLICY VIEW of the FUCKING VOTERS IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, he FUCKING INSULTED THEM OVER THEIR POLICY VIEW.

  

That's a POLICY DISCUSSION and NOT A SUBSTANCE ISSUE AS YOU CLAIMED.

146 I am done with the Romney campaign. His supporters are the worst hypocites of all. Their supporters can attack other candidates, but they cannot take the returning fire. I am not fond of Newt myself. But the Romney campaign and his supporters have driven me to support Newt now. I am leaning towards Santorum. But if Santorum cannot make it, I would rather go with Newt to drag this primary as long as we can.

147 Alternatively you old read Palin directly instead of something some who doesn't like Palin said she said. Interesting Gabe chose not to quote one word of Palin's post. But go read. She doesn't decry Alinskyite tactics per se, but the unseemliness of a red on red fight that uses the Lefts tactics. And she notes that the "Establishment" types did it to her, too. You don't have to like Palin, but why make shit up to not like her for? It's almost like what she wrote is true.

148 >Romney is old money connected bloodline sellout backstabber
> betrayer of the USA sons of bitches.

I'd put it a little less personally, but I certainly agree if Romney wins we all lose.

Will he manage the DC status quo better then King Putt? Sure. But he will do for Obamanomics what Eisenhower did for "The New Deal".

149 Ace is right, Romney candidacy will divide the party.

150 You could read Palin directly. Damn you autocorrect!

151 'It's too la-te, It's too laa-ate, to stay home and sit around...'

152

The lessor reason is that Newt is a wildcard. He could prove the second incarnation of Reagan both on the campaign trail and as president. Or he could crash and burn. Or he could suddenly pick up some leftist technocratic idea and run with it to the exclusion of all else.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2012 02:51 PM (3aXbg)

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Yep that's a definite problem.  Its one of the reasons my candidate for the Primaries is now "No Selection Made"!

 

The other reason is my other choice is Romney.

153
So, when Mitt runs his anti-Newt closer ad in Florida, who are his go-to guys?

Tom Brokaw and NBC News.

Brother, that's all I need to know about Mitt Romney.

154 I'm hungry for a big greasy pastrami.  Can't get a good one around here though.

155 This is bullshit. Worst country-wrecking piece of shit president EVER and these asshol;es are destroying each other. It's just a game to them, they have their millions and security teams. It really is becoming 2 Americas.

156 >Ace is right, Romney candidacy will divide the party.

I'd go a step further - it will destroy the party.

Faced with a serious defection of conservatives Romney will work all the harder to co-opt "moderates".

We'll lose scores of congressional races that we'd otherwise win.

I hope the Republican party is listening, but the architect of Obamacare V1.0 IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

157 The Rep establishment has been attacking conservatives as viciously as the left. I bet you they won't go after Obama the way they have been attacking the non-Romney in this primary. Honestly, I am done with the establishment too. They have been waging war against the base for a long time. It is time for us to push back.

158 If people are so divided in a year when nothing is more important for the survival of our nation than taking out Obama, then they're not part of my base.

They can rot in hell if that's the approach they take.

159 When I hear people complain about too much pork in Washington, I just have to shake my head. Order something else, genius!

160

149 Alternatively you old read Palin directly instead of something some who doesn't like Palin said she said. Interesting Gabe chose not to quote one word of Palin's post.

 

Its not interesting at all for Gabe.  Its his MO.  Most biased piece he can find against Palin, post it as if its 100% true and there are zero alternative interpretations of events.  Its all a part of his "I'm unbiased and merely reporting facts and information to you guys" persona.

161
Just go to your supermarket and deli and get the pastrami.
Boil it at home.
Put it between bread.
Add yellow mustard.
Eat
Smile.

162 Unfortunately the State Media took down Sarah Palin, and she made a mistake in resigning from the Governor's office. Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2012 02:48 PM (3aXbg) Resigning wasn't a mistake. Her failure to adequately explain why was a mistake. Her biggest mistake was signing on with a mouldering corpse like Captain Limpdick and his campaign of backstabbing disloyal ingrates. I'm convinced beyond a doubt they intentionally threw the election. It's worth pointing out that Gingrich did more to defend her then McCain's own campaign did.

163

144.....Romney is old money connected bloodline sellout backstabber betrayer of the USA sons of bitches.

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Yeah.....and his dad was born in Mexico, and ran for President, even getting pretty far with that. .....So much for the Romney family's reverence for the Constitution!

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I guess we're supposed to forget about that.

164 Oh, NOW Sarah is mad that Republicans are after each other.  She didn't feel that way back when she were pretending to run.  Hypocrite.

By the way, I love listening to her fanatics telling us that she's the only one that can stand up to the Dems, but first we got to stop being so mean to her!

Sarah the Victim.  Sarah the Warrior.  Sarah the Victim.  Sarah the Warrior.  Repeat.

165 #145  It seems to me that Romney has been working since 2008 on doing what a good candidate does,  building an organization,  supporting people in their races, raising money,  getting support.

This is not "kissing rings."  It is what Bush did,  what Reagan did,  what all successful candidates do.

I find it amusing that Armey is somehow now allied with the Tea Parties,  and that Newt,  who has been hanging around the Beltway since the 80's, is now portraying himself as an outsider.

Maybe those people in DC oppose Newt because 1. They know what it's like to work with him and 2. They think he will lose. They may not care about much else,  but they do care about their jobs.

If this were the private sector instead of politics and government,  those people criticizing Newt (which in case you missed that debate also included Paul and Santorum) would not be called "establishment" but "co-workers."

166 >nothing is more important for the survival of our nation than taking > out Obama

Is the goal to beat Obama, or Obama's policies? If the latter shouldn't we pick someone hasn't advanced the same policies when he was in elected office?

167

Ammended to read:

Hypocrisy in defense of liberty is no vice, and sensibility in pursuit of justice is not a virtue.

168 Alinsky was a dumbfuck and his "rules" aren't that effective to anyone who's not already a leftist.  Even if they were, lying, projecting, and pretending you're somebody you're not is a suicide strategy for conservatives.  It's funny to see the leftist tactics we're all familiar with in print, but aside from that its worthless.

169 "So why does the establishment hate him?"

You know, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. If "the establishment" (i.e. various particular individuals who you consider part of "the establishment") are strongly opposed to Newt as candidate, think he'd make a bad POTUS candidate (or a bad POTUS).. maybe, just maybe, they have some valid reasons to do so. Reasons that have nothing to do with Newt's "anti-establishment" qualities, whatever those are.

Just because "the establishment" (again, whoever in particular that is) "hates him," that doesn't automatically entail that you should love him, for that reason alone. That's what Newt, and Palin, are playing on here-- IMO a cynical game, which takes anti-establishment conservatives for rubes.

"The establishment" hates Newt! QED: Therefore you should love Newt! He's the martyr we've been waiting for-- 2012's Palin!

Um, no.

170
so they canceled CHUCK, eh?

171 I like Palin, but I don't know what the hell she's talking about. Romney sucks but is the best of a bad lot, just like he was in 2008. Newt's a mess and ready to sign the DREAM Act in some form, ffs. Romney is seen as a "safe R" by a lot of the country and can absolutely beat Obama.

172 Will he manage the DC status quo better then King Putt? Sure. But he will do for Obamanomics what Eisenhower did for "The New Deal".

My own minimal support for Newt is because he might be able to get Obamacare repealed. I simply don't believe Mitt will make anything more than a token attempt.

173 who are his go-to guys?

Tom Brokaw and NBC News.

Brother, that's all I need to know about Mitt Romney.

AMEN!

174
yet NBC keeps Fear Factor?

175 With Romney, we won't have the passion or the enthusiasm of the base. He is at best a stealth conservative. But all the evidence so far indicates that he is a big gov moderate. That 's why he is not willing to articulate conservatism and cannot do it with any passion at all. The signal from his campaign indicates that he may not repeal Obamacare. Rush also brought up the warning signal that he would mostly support Obama 's big gov mortgage deal. I think Romney would probably have won the nomination. I was settling to vote for him in the general. I expected a heated negative campaign between Romney and Gingrich as part of the politics. But his supporters started getting on the high horse of morality and stuff. Now Romney campaign has been caught red-handed with several outright lies and smears. But these so-called establishment "conservatives" have been silent. It is a shame.

176

We need to get Obama out, even if it's just so I don't have to look at his wife.

 

The Nation? Already screwed.

177

Newt is the only remaining candidate with significant conservative accomplishments.

178
Chuck was too wholesome for broadcast tv.
We need more reality crap.

179

Its not interesting at all for Gabe. Its his MO. Most biased piece he can find against Palin, post it as if its 100% true and there are zero alternative interpretations of events. Its all a part of his "I'm unbiased and merely reporting facts and information to you guys" persona.

 

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Listen here buddy, let me learn you some International Law of the Sea.

 

I see what you're doing there, and I think you should know it is illegal in Moldova and you are subject to extradition.

180
Two shows I'm just getting started with:

Hell on Wheels
Person of Interest

181 This is not "kissing rings." It is what Bush did, what Reagan did, what all successful candidates do.
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Both Bushes indeed kissed the right rings. Reagan's ascension was rather less conventional.

Note that this doesn't, in and of itself, make a candidate unacceptable. But the issue is that the Republican party leadership is fairly resistant to seriously taking on Obama's policies. And by making deals with those individuals we learn a bit about how Romney will govern.

Romney's record is what makes him unacceptable, but the way he is campaigning confirms that is how he would govern too.

182 Trying to teach the Establishment a lesson by staying home is the same thing as a toddler holding their breath and stamping their feet because they did not get their way, only this is more dangerous. I dislike all the remaining candidates but I will crawl over broken glass to vote for the eventual nominee. 

183 My own minimal support for Newt is because he might be able to get Obamacare repealed. I simply don't believe Mitt will make anything more than a token attempt.
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The followup on this I hear from Romney supporters is that Congress will force him too. You know, Mitch McConnell that resolute defender of conservatism.

184 Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 02:52 PM (dptRY) Would you have paid her legal bills?

185 Sarah. I like you but it's time to zip it. You didn't run. You quit your job. Go back to doing what you do best. Whining about the "establishment" is silly. I hate to tell you Sarah, you ran with John McCain. It doesn't get any more "establishment" than that.

186

Did that help?

187 Soap, no worries, I broke the blog yesterday with italics, but someone showed me how to fix it.

188 Newt is the only remaining candidate with significant conservative accomplishments.
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Actually, he and Santorum have basically the same conservative accomplishments.

In deciding between the two, you've got to ask which bothers you more - what Newt has advocated policywise since that point, or that Santorum went along with the rest of the Republicans in the Senate on Medicare D and NCLB (though he opposed Shamnesty).

189 People sometimes say I should just forget politics and go right into porn. But my guidance counselors always told me to save porn as my "safety" career, and I respect their judgment.

190

“We haven’t had time to do a real analysis of the Romney race in South Carolina, but once we break that down, there was some element of anti-Mormonism in that vote,” McCain asserted. “I’m not saying all of it, but there were elements there. There was nothing that Mitt Romney could have done.”

Excuse me while I puke.

191 I look at the GOP candidates, the fact that the MBM will spin the economic news as "fantastic" unless we go back into a deep recession, and think of the line from Sulu in Wrath of Khan as they were trying to escape the Genesis detonation ...

"We're not going to make it, are we"

192 Romney is a weather vane. This is the only thing that calms me a bit.

If the Tea Party can kick up a storm every time Romney decides to do something retarded, he could be one of the most successful conservative presidents in a while.

Newt... well, it would be interesting at least. Conservative 80% of the time, all out progressive the other 20%. This being if he doesn't blow up before he makes it there.

193 Y'all, primaries and elections have always been bloody. We just didn't know it in the past without 24 hour news cycles. I have read that there was middle fingers and other Ace-of-Spades-like behavior at the Reagan/Ford convention.

Just lie back and think of England...or January 20, 2013 when Jug-ears is ridden out of town.

The goal is to defeat Obama and put a majority in Congress in order to undo what Obama has done. It could take another election cycle to do this, but, for heaven's sake, don't give up now. If you want that perfect conservative candidate in the future you need to find him and get him on the ballot. Just vote against The Won. I am prepared to vote for anyone against Obama. ABO 2012.

194 Nora Nora Did all caps make you "feel" better?

195

normal? 

this place?

196 I dislike all the remaining candidates but I will crawl over broken glass to vote for the eventual nominee.
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If the goal is merely to beat Obama, not his policies, why don't we run Hillary Clinton? Why go half way with Romney?

I *guarantee* that with Republican support she'd beat Obama in a landslide.

197 OT.  I hate to say it but this Ron Paul clip from 2002 is pretty damn interesting.

198 Damn union links.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/84a9v95

199 #184  Here's the deal:  if he wins this he will be the nominee.  We don't get do-overs on the primaries.

If you are judging his style of governing on his campaign,  what I see is a campaign which is well-organized,  managed to raise a lot of money,  has built up alliances with some one wuold normally not think as being on his side. 

It is also a campaign which has been fast on its feet,  recognized flaws and corrected, and showed an ability to punch back.

I think people have made an early judgement on Romney and are viewing him through the prism of their view, ignoring the signs that he is improving and that he has changed tactics.

We will see.  Either Romney will win or he won't. 

200 If the Tea Party can kick up a storm every time Romney decides to do something retarded, he could be one of the most successful conservative presidents in a while.
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Oh, I wouldn't worry about that Tea Party rabble too much Mitt.

201 I can't decide between Romney and Ging. Last primary I voted for Romney and we got Obsama.

202 Pam said a lot of things about Romneycare which are absolutely not true. To name a commission, "Romneycare" anything is stupid, and has a ring to it which tells all the Tea Party Americans hating Romneycare, and Obamacare, to STFU. Sort of an Establishment ring no? I listened to what Pam said. She claimed that the candidates said they would "try" to get rid of Obamacare care. Uh, no, they all seemed to say they WOULD, not, "try", to get rid of Obamacare, and then most of them proceeded to discuss HOW they would get rid of Obamacare. Dittos to Pam normally not sounding so blondish. She appeared to be unsure, or at least not very well versed in her stance. She is an intelligent woman, and in this, she did not demonstrate it. Perhaps it was because it is hard to reconcile her anti-Obamacare stance with her pro-Romneycare stance. Romneycare and Obamacare are one in the same, and to be for one is to be for the other. Both are unConstitutional, and are devastating to getting good PRIVATE healthcare. People in MA are paying the fine because getting private insurance is so costly. There is a shortage of doctors in MA because of Romneycare, and the list goes on and on a to why Romneycare is a clusterfarking mess in MA. My experience with BC/BS of MA has been horrific, and all of it is based upon the shit that is Romneycare. Santorum was right about it being a mandate, and a problem for Romney, and Palin is right that Romney is flat out lying about Newt. All of this adds up to Romney being a huge problem and not a shoe-in against Dear Leader. +1 to #151's sentiment. For all of Newt's problems, I do not see him deflating the party, or Independents as much as Romney will. Who is going to get jazzed to voter for a Ken doll? Who? I will voter for ABO, but I sure would like it if the candidate at least voted for, or supported Reagan!

203 I think people have made an early judgement on Romney and are viewing him through the prism of their view
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I judge the man - and in fact all the remaining candidates - by their actual records.

What about Romney's term as governor makes you think he would make a conservative president?

204 IF beating Obama is important to the establishment, they would have played hardball against Romney the same way they played against Palin, Perry, and now Gingrich. Rush has a theory, but I don't know how true it is. He mentioned that they assume that we cannot beat Obama. They settled on Romney to win the Senate. Their goal is not to implement conservative agenda. Their goal is to control the levers of power and money. The democrats win election to implement their radical agenda. The Republicans want to win the election to trim the edges of the Democrat policies. That 's why we are screwed. The establishment keeps playing the electability card: Obama is so bad, so we need to nominate a big gov moderate. That 's really sad. I am personally tired of this myself.

205 190 eman, sorry copy and paste might break this blog:

I'm not saying she did something wrong or weak in quitting. She may certainly have had to quit because of the lawsuits, I don't know. I never really doubted her that she believed as much.

I'm saying, once she quit, that deep-sixed any chance of office unless she put out an extremely strong performance to reverse her image as a know-nothing cutesy winking political advocate.

She's done some good stuff in the Tea Party, but for me the turning point was her cutesy "maybe I'll run, maybe I won't!" posture for all that time. Either run and make the best defense of conservatism(which shouldn't have been that hard this go around...), or don't and support the Tea Party's efforts.

206 Buddy of mine's a cop, he was somewhere where Santorum was, he said the gheys come and throw glitter at him.

207 Was there a thread about Bob Doles recent comments?  Bob Dole, the darling of the tea party. (sarc)  I'm really sick of these "mavericks" in the republican party going on talk fests and airing dirty laundry.  Yeah, I get it, Bob Dole doesn't like Newt.  Bob Dole should keep his pie hole shut.  He's a f'in idiot that was worth less than nothing as a senator and even worse as a candidate.  How in the world do these republicans- who have experienced vicious campaigns where the lefty media lies and distorts their every word, vote, or idea- not see through what the media is doing- the MSM is trolling for shit like this and gets giddy when the "mavericks" throw fellow republicans under the bus like Dole did to Newt and will exploit these quotes to the hilt!  The media is not your friend!  It is in bed with the left and has been for the last 50 years! Wake up you fucking zombie!

208 I can't decide between Romney and Ging. Last primary I voted for Romney and we got Obsama.
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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

209 146 If I could go back in time to tell Palin anything, I would tell her to not resign as governor. If she was serious about being a political figure, she would have stuck it out. That would have given her much more credibility to people like me. I'm not saying her motives were unserious, but it certainly was a mistake, and a politically fatal one at that. Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 02:52 PM (dptRY) Her salary was $120,000 per year and she incurred $500,000 in legal bills in less than a year with no end in sight. When her best friend set up a legal defense fund for her, they filed another ethics complaint against that and got it impounded. And her lawyer couldn't defend her pro-bono, because that would have been an illegal gift. Did it effectively end her political career? Yes it did. But the alternative would have done the same thing, and all the assholes who call her a "quitter" now would instead be screaming that she's a power-hungry bitch bitterly clinging to her office and that she wasn't accomplishing anything because her staff was tied up responding to ethics complaints and FOIA's, and she should have resigned and put her state and her family's finances ahead of her own political ambitions. I guaran-fucking-tee you that's what they'd be saying.

210

Jeebus,

 

Newt said last night he was a populist. Obama has been a populist his entire life. Is Newt going to out populist Obama? The communist party are populists, progressives are populists. We on the other hand used to be Federalists.

 

The teaparty who for the last 3 years have claimed to be federalists now all of sudden are backing self described populist Newt.

 

Our constitution was written to protect us from populists. Now we are for populism for some reason. I just don't understand it. Sarah promotes populism almost everytime she is on fox. Her husband said the reason he supports Newt is because Newt is the populist running. Teh Fred is even heading a group to get rid of the electorial college which would end up in the cities deciding who the president is. The constitution was written to explicity protect ALL of the people from this shit.

 

For the people and by the people does not mean mob rule that populism promotes. It means ALL of the people.

211

168 #145 It seems to me that Romney has been working since 2008 on doing what a good candidate does, building an organization, supporting people in their races, raising money, getting support.

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So.....you're saying that having the money to be a 'professional campaigner' for years....nearly a decade....is what we should hold up as the "best candidate"?

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This is not "kissing rings." It is what Bush did, what Reagan did, what all successful candidates do.

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Bush didn't kiss rings. .....He was wearing a ring. .....And yet he ran as "The Washington Outsider"....Don't you remember? I do.

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Reagan didn't kiss rings. ....He ignored them. He actually was a 'Washington Outsider', and had the will of a majority of the people behind him, so he was able to ignore those rings.

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And Newt was the first guy in Washington that I ever remember hearing use the word "defund" ....a lot. ....It was like it was his favorite word. ....It was "defund this" and "defund that". .....That is one of the reasons why the establishment R's turned against him.

 

212 Gabe shits on Palin,



hold on, I'll go get my surprised face.

213 AHOY!

214 Obama is so bad, so we need to nominate a big gov moderate. That 's really sad. I am personally tired of this myself.
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Either conservativism is a real, viable, alternative to the current status quo or not.

If it isn't, all voting for people like Romney is going to get you is a slightly slower decline.

If it is, why the hell do we continue to refuse to nominate conservatives to actual make the case for it?

215 I was a True Believer in how Palin was wronged by the Establishment and the MSM. In fact I still believe it. It was grossly unfair, and McCain's team threw her under the bus. But at some point she has to stop being the victim and FIGHT for conservatism and convince Joe Schmoe, not just Palinistas.

She hasn't done that. Her career as a politician is over until noted otherwise.

216 The followup on this I hear from Romney supporters is that Congress will force him too. You know, Mitch McConnell that resolute defender of conservatism.

Well that's not impossible with a big enough conservative majority but that's not the way it usually works. If the next President voided all the waivers the Democrats would probably suddenly be under a lot more pressure to support repeal.

On another note, is this formatting stuff supposed to eventually be fixed or we stuck with this crappy workaround forever?

217 I wasn't a supporter of Perry.  But you have to think.  He drops out of the race and endorses Newt. 

When Huntsman dropped out he endorses Mitt.  They were so different, so diametrically opposed yet he endorses Mitt.  Their only commonality, their Mormonism.  When Beck started the attacks on Newt I thought to myself, here comes the Mormon card.  Beck hasn't stopped.  He's losing listeners  He's damaging his brand.  He doesn't seem to care.  And since huntsman senior was his mentor and he talked about him so much you'd have thought he might have supported huntsman junior more but he didn't.  So now, when push comes to shove, he goes for Mitt. 

So you look at the folks lining up on Mitt's side and you look at the folks lining up on Newt's side and you think to yourself "gee I like the folks lining up on Newt's side more, they speak to what I think is important".   And this is how they will lose the base.  If they feel they have no say, they won't bother to vote.  And didn't they do this before, in another election.  I remember reading that the evangelicals didn't come out to vote for someone and he/she lost.

The worst thing will be that the independents and dems who might have voted for a republican this time around will not see anything to grab them, anything where they think there will be changes in the stuff that matters.  They just might decide the devil they know is better than the devil they don't know.

218 219 146 If I could go back in time to tell Palin anything, I would tell her to not resign as governor.

If she was serious about being a political figure, she would have stuck it out. That would have given her much more credibility to people like me. I'm not saying her motives were unserious, but it certainly was a mistake, and a politically fatal one at that.
Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 02:52 PM (dptRY)

Her salary was $120,000 per year and she incurred $500,000 in legal bills in less than a year with no end in sight. When her best friend set up a legal defense fund for her, they filed another ethics complaint against that and got it impounded. And her lawyer couldn't defend her pro-bono, because that would have been an illegal gift.

Did it effectively end her political career? Yes it did. But the alternative would have done the same thing, and all the assholes who call her a "quitter" now would instead be screaming that she's a power-hungry bitch bitterly clinging to her office and that she wasn't accomplishing anything because her staff was tied up responding to ethics complaints and FOIA's, and she should have resigned and put her state and her family's finances ahead of her own political ambitions. I guaran-fucking-tee you that's what they'd be saying.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at January 28, 2012 03:16 PM (CAaOx)

Check out my response @226. I never said I didn't believe her. Guess I didn't make this clear.

219 All I want is a purity candidate who is electable because he appeals to the moderates, who has no personal skeletons in his closet, and who promises to stay the hell away form my government cheese.  Is that too much to ask?

220 errr 215 rather

221 #213  Well, he balanced the budget and left the state with a surplus. Also vetoed the legislature 800 times.

222 tl;dr serious candidates CAN'T quit their job half-way through and still attain national office, without sufficient evidence of their capabilities.

223 Can we make John McCain ambassador to VietNam ?

224 McCain is a clueless idiot. He doesn't know shit about SC and why Mutt lost here. Mormonism was not an issue. Being a NE liberal is.

My question is why did Santorum do so poorly among the religious groups? And if Santorum can not do well in SC he is not going to do well anywhere and he should drop out.

225 I'm a pretty dedicated Ron Paul supporter, but even I'm starting to get sick of all these idiotic MFM hit-pieces talking about how rich Mitt Romney is

226 New Comment Thingy rations have gone up to occasional limited Italics.

227 conservatism is an antithesis to big government nanny statism, but is it a VIABLE option? I'm starting to think it isn't.

228 is this formatting stuff supposed to eventually be fixed or we stuck with this crappy workaround forever



The formatting issues are not a matter of things being broken; it's being done to prevent trolls from bringing the blog down.

They are working on the overall issue.

229 She's done some good stuff in the Tea Party, but for me the turning point was her cutesy "maybe I'll run, maybe I won't!" posture for all that time. Either run and make the best defense of conservatism(which shouldn't have been that hard this go around...), or don't and support the Tea Party's efforts. Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 03:15 PM (dptRY) With this I agree. She turned me off big time by not quickly making up her mind one way or the other. She fumbled badly.

230 But at some point she has to stop being the victim and FIGHT for conservatism and convince Joe Schmoe, not just Palinistas.

She should follow the lead of the Romneybots in fighting for conservatism by advocating for Romney big gov Republicanism. That 's the way for her to win the support of the Romneybots.

231 Like he is going to be elected then turn around to the indp and REPUBLICANS that got him there and say screw it.. I am going with the super minority party and keeping it?

Yes, exactly. He'll make a token effort at repeal. They'll wind up making some adjustments to the law and both sides will claim victory. "It was the best we could do given all the xxx in Congress". Then over the course of 5 or 6 years it'll all come back worse than ever one little law at a time. If you don't know that's how it's done you haven't been paying attention.

232 Obama Weekly Address: "We Weren't Sent Here To Wage Perpetual Political Campaigns"

http://tinyurl.com/7fzo3zn

This isnÂ’t about me. We werenÂ’t sent here to wage perpetual political campaigns against each other. We were sent here to serve the American people. And they deserve better than gridlock and games. One senator gumming up the works for the whole country is certainly not what our founding fathers envisioned.

During my Address on Tuesday night, I spoke about the incredible example set by the men and women of our armed forces. At a time when too many of our institutions have let us down, they exceed all expectations. TheyÂ’re not consumed with personal ambition. They donÂ’t obsess over
their differences. They focus on the mission at hand. They work together.

233 241 But at some point she has to stop being the victim and FIGHT for conservatism and convince Joe Schmoe, not just Palinistas.

She should follow the lead of the Romneybots in fighting for conservatism by advocating for Romney big gov Republicanism. That 's the way for her to win the support of the Romneybots.

Posted by: LAI at January 28, 2012 03:23 PM (CAmLm)

Quick, man the strawmen!

I'll crawl over broken glass to vote for the R column this year, don't worry.

234

Can a cob-logger technically troll the blog by writing a post?

 

I don't love Palin. I don't hate her.  I NOTHING her.

 

She's a non-entity. An unperson.  Who gives a fuck what she has to say?

235 221 168 #145 And Newt was the first guy in Washington that I ever remember hearing use the word "defund" ....a lot. ....It was like it was his favorite word. ....It was "defund this" and "defund that". .....That is one of the reasonswhy the establishment R's turned against him.


> Newt is also the same man who referred to conservatives in Congress as "the perfectionist caucus" because they disliked the fact that he tried to ram a 4000-pg omnibus bill down their throats.

236 The Republican establishment in AK hated Palin. Almost all of those suits against her were from the same harpy bent. The law should have been changed by the legislature when it became the subject of abuse but that would have meant the Republican establishment would have to be for helping her.

I suspect that that law has been changed now to prevent frivalous cases.

237 You guys are slackers.  Palin thread is two hours old and no comments by Andrew Sullivan.

238 Well, he balanced the budget and left the state with a surplus. Also vetoed the legislature 800 times.
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MA Budget 2003: $18.7 B
MA Budget 2007: $24.2 B
MA Budget 2012: $29.4 B

So, under Romney, spending grew by 29.4%. Under far left wing Deval Patrick it grew by 21.4%.

239 Quick, man the strawmen!
I'll crawl over broken glass to vote for the R column this year, don't worry.

Oops, I thought you are trying to play the strawman game. I was settling for Romney as a redux of McCain. But now I am not even sure that Romney is even worth the effort anymore. Maybe George Soros is playing a psych-op game, but he said that there would be no differences between Romney and Obama except the crowd they hang out with (and probably the court nominations).

240 If it is, why the hell do we continue to refuse to nominate conservatives to actual make the case for it?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2012 03:18 PM (3aXbg)

*****

All the conservative you have to make your case, quite frankly, suck a dick.

Who's your best advocate?  Sarah Palin?

Really?

241 249 The Republican establishment in AK hated Palin. Almost all of those suits against her were from the same harpy bent. The law should have been changed by the legislature when it became the subject of abuse but that would have meant the Republican establishment would have to be for helping her.

I suspect that that law has been changed now to prevent frivalous cases.

Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2012 03:28 PM (YdQQY)

Yeah it did seem like a huge loophole to having a working executive branch in AK.

242

228.....Beck hasn't stopped. He's losing listeners He's damaging his brand. He doesn't seem to care.

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Beck? ....Yeah. The guy who said that we are "better off that Obama won, instead of McCain" because McCain wouldn't have been any better and would have damaged conservatism. ....That Beck.

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Beck encouraged Rick Perry to run. ....Then, acted like "Perry, who?" after Perry got in the race.

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Fuck Glenn Beck. I have given up on trying to figure him out. He is dead to me.

243 During my Address on Tuesday night, I spoke about the incredible example set by the men and women of our armed forces. At a time when too many of our institutions have let us down, they exceed all expectations. TheyÂ’re not consumed with personal ambition. They donÂ’t obsess over their differences. They focus on the mission at hand. They work together.

They work together even better once I fire 100,000 more of them

244
She hates Romney but ran with a Republican who makes Romney look like Goldwater. Isn't is amazing what a little fame and dollars will do to " political ethics '?

And with her help he stood a chance of winning. Until he "suspended" his campaign because of the financial "crisis" Soros cooked up.

245 Palin's influence can be summed up in three words : Senator Coke Bear.

246 252 Quick, man the strawmen!I'll crawl over broken glass to vote for the R column this year, don't worry.

Oops, I thought you are trying to play the strawman game. I was settling for Romney as a redux of McCain. But now I am not even sure that Romney is even worth the effort anymore. Maybe George Soros is playing a psych-op game, but he said that there would be no differences between Romney and Obama except the crowd they hang out with (and probably the court nominations).

Posted by: LAI at January 28, 2012 03:28 PM (CAmLm)

I've resigned myself to Romney. I've passed every phase of grieving I think. I'm at least past anger.

247 The followup on this I hear from Romney supporters is that Congress will force him too. You know, Mitch McConnell that resolute defender of conservatism.

Judging by the list of people running for Senate this year, the body *should* be more conservative if they win.

248
There is no conflating here.
Romney defends Romneycare to this very day.
Romney's surrogate defends his plan.
He is running for federal office on this plan.
He would like to institute his plan, Romneycare, on the nation.
Romney defends Romneycare to this very day.
Rinse.
Repeat.

249
Like he is going to be elected then turn around to the indp and REPUBLICANS that got him there and say screw it.. I am going with the super minority party and keeping it?

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp





Scott Brown.

But Brown's a Massachusetts Republican, so that's totally different.

250 I liked Romney last election against McCain. I like Romney this time, after Perry dropped out. He may be "plastic" and other adjectives, but I like him.

It is becoming more apparent that Barry is a one-dimensional-flat-note and off key except for the dog whistles he emits to his fans. He repeats speeches and bullet points (that ad of the SOTU by the GOP is great). He is just a preacher behind the podium. Sure, the media is his main card in this poker game. But many of them are tired of his crap as well, as Jake Tapper informed George S. Sure, he has the black vote and the liberals (some of them, anyway). But he is old news trying to whip up the flames of an ember. Some of his libs may desert him, as we are still at war.  Of course, it is very early, momentum could gain for him if the economy somehow turns around and the DOW stays steady. Anything is possible. But he has proven he has no skills without his teleprompter and bullet points. ANY of the four GOP candidates could out-debate him. I believe this. He is not that smart. And the race card has been played so many times, including now with Jan Brewer, that it is not as hands-off as it may have been for McCain. One thing for sure, if the Dems fight dirty so should the GOP. The GOP should employ the Alinsky Rules. McCain held back. Heck, Hillary held back from attacking him.While Romney is a gentleman, he can debate. You don't have to light your hair on fire and yell to get the point across. I'd rather be on a sinking ship with Romney than Obama...but then I'd rather be on a sinking ship with Captain Shettino than Obama. Barry thinks he is cool and collected but it is the pharmaceuticals, as he has proven to be thin-skinned. His own party in Congress state he does not appear to have a long attention span nor be able to admit he is wrong.He gets defensive and angry. When the GOP throw his failed policies and amassed debt in his face, will his green make-up melt?

What is the deal with his coloring, anyway? I have wondered for months. I am convinced it is either his liver or kidneys. He is not healthy (he also looked to have a swollen lymph gland on the Time cover recently). He is the strangest color of anyone on camera. Boehner looked tan, fake or not at the SOTU behind him. Biden just looks botoxed, but normal coloring. Seriously, his color is strange.

251 listening to soft classical music and reading this blog can bring some major cognitive dissonance!

252 262
There is no conflating here.
Romney defends Romneycare to this very day.
Romney's surrogate defends his plan.
He is running for federal office on this plan.
He would like to institute his plan, Romneycare, on the nation.
Romney defends Romneycare to this very day.
Rinse.
Repeat.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2012 03:31 PM (XrrP7)

What would you like Romney to have done? Say "oops, I was duped!"? I guess that's ok, but I don't think it's as easy as some people are saying.

253 Isn't is amazing what a little fame and dollars will do to " political ethics '?


Good point. That 's why I am done with the Romney campaign and the Rep establishment. They are there for the fame, power, and dollars. At least the democrats are committed to their cause. They are there making their ill-gotten money and implement their radical agenda at the same time. They Republicans are there simply to trim the edges and mostly for fame and money.

254 Curious you don't listen to beck remember?

255 I find early 80's post punk to be the perfect companion to the HQ.

256 She hasn't done that. Her career as a politician is over until noted otherwise. Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 03:18 PM (dptRY) Her political career is over regardless, because every lie ever told about her is taken as fact by the majority of our fellow Americans (most of whom are fucking retarded). Most people actually believe that she banned books, fired state troopers capriciously and arbitrarily, personally took an RNC credit card to Saks and spent millions of dollars on clothes, and said she could see Russia from her house. The McCain campaign did nothing to debunk any of it, and after the campaign was over they spread more lies about her. She has them to thank for the two-hour HBO hitjob based on the work of fiction known as "Game Change". And the RNC didn't even unload the clothes until after she agreed to fundraise for them (which sounds a lot like extortion or blackmail on the RNC's part, if you ask me).

257 MooKow won based on pandering to the "Native Americans" for handouts and cross-over Dems. 

258 267 Isn't is amazing what a little fame and dollars will do to " political ethics '?


Good point. That 's why I am done with the Romney campaign and the Rep establishment. They are there for the fame, power, and dollars. At least the democrats are committed to their cause. They are there making their ill-gotten money and implement their radical agenda at the same time. They Republicans are there simply to trim the edges and mostly for fame and money.

Posted by: LAI at January 28, 2012 03:33 PM (CAmLm)

Well to be fair, "line my pockets" is a lot easier than reforming government for the better. Maybe I'll move to one of those Blue Seed islands...

259 I'm not usually one to go for conspiracy theories but there is only one scenario here that fits the known facts.  This GOP vicious, cannibalistic nomination process is a sham designed to bring publicity to a new drama series on USA designed to compete with The Walking Dead.  Gingrich will eventually eat Romney at one of the debates and Santorum will hole up with Palin and shit load of firepower to hold off the rampaging Tea Party Zombies.

260 Fuck Glenn Beck.

Posted by: Gov. Rick "I have run the race and sailed the boat full of rocket parts " Perry at January 28, 2012 03:31 PM (c9Ivb)

Is he cute?

261 All the petty, hyper-emotional attacks (i.e., Alinsky tactics) against liberalism won't help people understand conservatism. Proof? Liberals don't understand liberalism despite buying into decades of the Alinsky pitch.

And if you aren't interested in helping people actually understand a better way -- if you just have a hard-on for getting your folks in office -- then you're part of the problem.

262 270 She hasn't done that. Her career as a politician is over until noted otherwise.
Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 03:18 PM (dptRY)

Her political career is over regardless, because every lie ever told about her is taken as fact by the majority of our fellow Americans (most of whom are fucking retarded). Most people actually believe that she banned books, fired state troopers capriciously and arbitrarily, personally took an RNC credit card to Saks and spent millions of dollars on clothes, and said she could see Russia from her house. The McCain campaign did nothing to debunk any of it, and after the campaign was over they spread more lies about her. She has them to thank for the two-hour HBO hitjob based on the work of fiction known as "Game Change". And the RNC didn't even unload the clothes until after she agreed to fundraise for them (which sounds a lot like extortion or blackmail on the RNC's part, if you ask me).

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at January 28, 2012 03:34 PM (CAaOx)

I disagree with none of this. These are other reasons why she would have to disprove these notions of her being stupid, crazy, etc. I'm not blaming her for the smear-jobs, I'm saying she is not the Great Conservative Hope because she simply was unable to break out of that image. That last part she does take some responsibility for.

Too bad. Now, back to real candidates, as shitty as they are?

263
Romney is a Ken doll.

That mesmerizes Romneybots.

264 One thing this campaign is surely doing is making "Alinsky" a joke from now on. It's going to be like a corollary to Godwin's Law, the first person who throws the name automatically loses the argument.

265 like who, garrett?

266

That's right. Blame it on her. You do that. And don't forget to keep forgetting and send us money.

 

 

I thought all of Alaska came running when a Mama Grizzly cried out in the wilderness?

267
>>>>What would you like Romney to have done? Say "oops, I was duped!"?

Yes.  There are now facts that he didn't have originally.  These facts include costs, overruns, bureaucratic nightmares, rationing, fraud, wait times, etc etc....  Yes, I expect him to look at this and say, "You know what?, govt controlled healthcare makes things worse".  Not double down.

268

269 I find early 80's post punk to be the perfect companion to the HQ.

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Then may I suggest this offering, for your consideration:

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http:/  /w w w.youtube.com/watch?v=2LE0KpcP05I

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'The Hooters' were ahead of their time. ....That is their hit "All You Zombies". ....It's still a fun song, even today.

269 Indeed rockmom. Your argumentation style is akin to Hitler! Alinsky!

270 Sarah acts like her "THE ESTABLISHMENT!" crap isn't an Alinsky tactic by itself.

By the way, it's possible that BOTH McCain AND Sarah sucked.  I mean, she needs preparation to pick a newspaper?  REALLY?  Come on.  She froze.  She froze during crunch time to the softest of softballs.

271 Posted by: ambrosia at January 28, 2012 03:19 PM (oZfic) [br/][br/] Show a little class and close your legs. It smells like cat piss.

272 Anybody who thinks Romney will be pulled towards being conservative is crazy. He is not trying to please the base now, and when in office, he will care less. He will fall in line with the establishment, and ignore the people, just as all the tea party newly elected people are ignored. Both the blog Legal Insurrection and American Thinker blog have lots of good insight into this. BTW, Gateway Pundit has the Marco Rubio speech, and it is great.

273

OK, I'm the first to admit that there does not have to be an official organization for such a thing as the "Establishment" to exist, in some vague sense.

 

But I think that's how it does exist - "in some vague sense". It is not some organized effort by a well-defined group of individuals.

 

As such, to attribute specific actions, and some sort of focused campaign by this "group" is the stuff of paranoid conspiracy theories. Politicians use it to claim victimhood at the hands of nameless, faceless people who can't even respond to the accusations.

 

It's a pretty sad and desperate tactic, and it's equally sad that some people buy into it. It's really a close relative of the victimhood culture of the left.

274 Well to be fair, "line my pockets" is a lot easier than reforming government for the better. Maybe I'll move to one of those Blue Seed islands...

That 's why I am done with the establishment and their guys like Romney. They are mainly interested in power and money. They are in Washington too long. So ideology is just a propaganda ploy to fool the Romneybots. I would rather have new blood. They may be stupid enough at the beginning to enact real reform until they are corrupted. But with the establishment, we know for sure that they are corrupted already. Only the Romneybots would believe otherwise.

275 283
>>>>What would you like Romney to have done? Say "oops, I was duped!"?

Yes. There are now facts that he didn't have originally. These facts include costs, overruns, bureaucratic nightmares, rationing, fraud, wait times, etc etc.... Yes, I expect him to look at this and say, "You know what?, govt controlled healthcare makes things worse". Not double down.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2012 03:41 PM (XrrP7)

Fair enough. But it's still a stupid cop-out because a real conservative wouldn't have had to run such an experiment to find that out. But I guess it's all about political optics in the end. Not being sarcastic.

276 Drudge thinks he can leave a headline up and that will seal the deal for romney.  Dick Morris thinks he can go on greta and monica crowley and say that Newt if going to win and that's that. 

Then poor little Sarah Palin writes a fb entry and everyone becomes hysterical. 

Sometime the truth just stings.

277 this morning was joe jackson, the vapors, pretenders, and elvis costello on deck.

278 There are more Palinistas than Romneybots here.

Not sure which truth is supposed to sting here.

279

This would be applicable only if Palin wasn't whining about Alinsky tactics... did you even read the post?

Did you read Palin's post? Because she wasn't "whining", she was pointing out the stupidity of using scorched earth tactics against other republicans in the primary and questioning the rush to anoint a moderate without uniting the base.

It's not reassuring to see the same collection of rinos who voted for Obama in '08 now cheerleading for Mittens.

280 I was a True Believer in how Palin was wronged by the Establishment and the MSM. In fact I still believe it. It was grossly unfair, and McCain's team threw her under the bus. But at some point she has to stop being the victim and FIGHT for conservatism and convince Joe Schmoe, not just Palinistas. She hasn't done that. Her career as a politician is over until noted otherwise. Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 03:18 PM (dptRY) Jumping on the Newt Crazy Train isn't doing her any good.

281

Oh, and Krauthammer gave a tongue-in-cheek account of the Establishment when Bret Baier asked him if he was a member.

 

He said, "Yes, I am. Karl Rove is the President of the group. We meet at a secret location every week..."

282 Gingrich will eventually eat Romney at one of the debates and Santorum will hole up with Palin and shit load of firepower to hold off the rampaging Tea Party Zombies.

Don't be silly. OWS are the rampaging zombies. The Tea Party are the rogue army unit that tries to establish a military dictatorship among the survivors.

283 258 Palin's influence can be summed up in three words : Senator Coke Bear. Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2012 03:30 PM (3Qh6H) Miller wouldn't have even won the primary without her endorsement. He fucked up on his own by leaking emails, tweeting about measuring for drapes in "his" Senate office, covering up a minor disciplinary issue at a previous job, and letting Motherfuckabee's people run his campaign. He also had help in losing from the NRSC, who wouldn't run ads attacking their precious little Sleeza McNepotism, and the establishment Repukes in the Senate who wouldn't strip her of her committee positions and eject her from the caucus when she decided to run against the rightful nominee.

284 297 I was a True Believer in how Palin was wronged by the Establishment and the MSM. In fact I still believe it. It was grossly unfair, and McCain's team threw her under the bus. But at some point she has to stop being the victim and FIGHT for conservatism and convince Joe Schmoe, not just Palinistas.

She hasn't done that. Her career as a politician is over until noted otherwise.
Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 03:18 PM (dptRY)

Jumping on the Newt Crazy Train isn't doing her any good.

Posted by: rockmom at January 28, 2012 03:45 PM (A0UFZ)

I'm not.... currently I'm going to swallow Romney, but I'm willing to be swayed.

285 Ace, if you think Gingrich is a Washington insider, I guess that would explain the love the GOP establishment for him.  You prove once again why you are not worthy to wipe the sweat off Palin feet.  Wish you could give an example of Romney's conservative bona fides.  I have done some research and all I can find is his recent claim to be a conservative.  No act to prove it.

286 Not sure which truth is supposed to sting here.

The difference is that the Romneybots don't believe that the establishment is there for fame and money only. Only the non-Romney are for money and fame. I think the Romneybots are worse than the Palinista. They are doing what they accused the Palinista of doing. Romney is not a conservative. So the Romneybots should be honest about conservatism as well.

287 296 It's not reassuring to see the same collection of rinos who voted for Obama in '08 now cheerleading for Mittens.

> Some of the same people you are accusing of cheerleading for Romney have been his harshest critics (for good reasons), and I highly doubt they voted for Obama.

288 In modern times Conservatives don't ever get elected Governor of Massachusetts. Liberals in one form or another do. Sometimes these Liberals disguise themselves as Moderates. And sometimes it works.

289  But with the establishment, we know for sure that they are corrupted already. Only the Romneybots would believe otherwise.

Posted by: LAI at January 28, 2012 03:43 PM (CAmLm)

 

So you think Multi Millionaire Romney, who quit his job making Multi Millions to run the Olympics for free is in it for the money? The same Romney who after the Olympics ran and instead of going back to his multi million job ran for governor of MA.

 

You have a lot of dislike for Romney, just not much reasoning.

290 25 years of creating real wealth in the real world is an attribute we might not see for generations in a major candidate. We can go with a DC lifer any time.

291

296.....Did you read Palin's post? Because she wasn't "whining", she was pointing out the stupidity of using scorched earth tactics against other republicans in the primaryand questioning the rush to anoint a moderate...

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Yeah. Which is especially rich (!).....since she herself deployed some "scorched earth tactics" against other more conservative candidates like Perry....in the primary......which has had the result of clearing the way for the 'annointment of the moderate Mitt'. 

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But now that she has played her part, and the blood on her claws is dried, she is blasting others for what she herself has done.

292
Guess this explains why the Florida Tea Party came out for Newt today. He couldn't even pretend.
http://tinyurl.com/7rf8vaa

293 So you think Multi Millionaire Romney, who quit his job making Multi Millions to run the Olympics for free is in it for the money? The same Romney who after the Olympics ran and instead of goingback to his multi million job ran for governor of MA.

You have a lot of dislike for Romney, just not much reasoning.

I just follow the logic of the Romneybots here. Romney wants fame. He is a millionaire. But he can still make more money! And his establishment supporters definitely want money. They are Washington insiders. That 's why Romney won't reform Washington. It is simple logic.

294 Posted by: LAI at January 28, 2012 03:47 PM (CAmLm)

Ok, not sure how that maps to the post, but whatever.

295 I spent this fall hating Sarah Palin and wishing she would just go away. But this last Facebook page she published speaks to exactly how I feel about what's happening in Florida. Thank you Sarah for speaking out! Go Newt! Down with Romney and the Rinos!

296

  if she's such a heavy-hitter in the national political scene, how could she have failed to affect the Coke Bear campaign for Daddy's Senate seat? 

perhaps her political wonder powers are more imaginary than real.

297 Go to Hell curious.[br/][br/] Posted by: Blue Hen at January 28, 2012 03:50 PM (c9Ivb) [br/][br/] The Devil won't take her. She smells of cat piss.

298 >>>Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at January 28, 2012 03:46 PM (HYi3B)

Ace didn't write the post.

299 But now that she has played her part, and the blood on her claws is dried, she is blasting others for what she herself has done.

Another good Romney liberal logic. Romney is entitled to scorch earth other people. No-one can return fire. Have they attacked Obama that harshly ever?

300 Obama WILL get a 2nd term, If I wasnt unemployed and broke I would bet on it.
The GOP has NO ONE in the race worth dog doo and obama will have his chance to finish off the USA.
Im NOT a paulanista , He aint worth squat either.So dont go there but really...nominate romney???? the turd that lost to McCain????
The GOP is screwed, Independents are screwed, tea partiers are screwed and America will soon be the USSA.

301 23 Huckabeef was on Fox News this morning. He's huge, btw. Fatter than ever before. Anyways, he was on to let everyone know that he does not like Newt using his image and audio in an ad saying Mitt is a liar. ------------------------ Of course Huckabee would say that. He's not going to jeopardize being named Secretary to the Department of Biscuits & Gravy in a Romney Administration.

302 To recap. If McCain had got in, we would have at least two of the following three:

McCainCare (essentially ObamaCare, but with slightly different handouts)
Cap & Trade
Shamnesty

Senator Barack Obama headed for office on a wave/mandate in 2012 with probably a full D congress and D's for the rest of our lives because of the amnesty. Yes, it's better that that fucking traitorous asshole McCain didn't win. No we are thankfully not in that situation anymore because at least some of the country has woken up.

303 Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2012 03:53 PM (3Qh6H)

I'm not sure that expecting Palin to successfully control the outcome of every race on which she comments or lends her support is reasonable, but one would expect her to have significant influence in her home state.

304
Another good Romney liberal logic. Romney is entitled to scorch earth other people. No-one can return fire. Have they attacked Obama that harshly ever?

Posted by: LAI at January 28, 2012 03:54 PM (CAmLm)

Again. He is not criticizing using scorched earth tactis per se. He is criticizing WHINING about such tactics while using them.

I feel like I'm repeating myself, probably because I am.

305
Romney is the "dreamboat" from Mystery Date.

That mesmerizes Romneybots.

306 Posted by: robtr at January 28, 2012 03:49 PM (MtwBb) At the most he sacrificed money for power. Did running for office put him in the poorhouse? Was he ever at risk of losing his millions?

307 Posted by: LAI at January 28, 2012 03:47 PM (CAmLm) The Romneybots have zero credibility attacking Palin anyway, since Romney's own surrogates have been attacking and smearing her since before the '08 campaign even ended.

308 I feel like I'm repeating myself, probably because I am.

Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 03:56 PM (dptRY)

Only ace is allowed to repeat himself on this blog.

309 If the Tea Party can kick up a storm every time Romney decides to do something retarded, he could be one of the most successful conservative presidents in a while.

Again, a matter of simple logic. Romney campaign believed that they could win the election without the support of the conservative base, especially the social conservatives. They are openly running as a moderate in the Rep primary when they need conservatives more. Assuming Romney wins the election, he wouldn't care much about conservative opposition any more. In fact, given his northeastern liberal advisors, I would expect him to govern more like a big gov Republican. They will make some token effort so that his establishment supporters can go for the money.

310 Sigh. Formatting by hand sucks.

311

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 28, 2012 03:56 PM (nEUpB)

 

My point is essentially that...and that in the eyes of her fanboys she wins every win and wins every loss by default.  It is pretty lame.  If she had effectively fought to win a seat that we were bound to lose to liberal RiNO in her home state, she would build credibility, not facebook fans.

312 326 I feel like I'm repeating myself, probably because I am.


Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 03:56 PM (dptRY)Only ace is allowed to repeat himself on this blog.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 28, 2012 03:59 PM (nEUpB)

I apologize for stepping on his turf. I'll make sure to not reiterate it again.

313 Chesty sock off

314 Posted by: eman at January 28, 2012 03:57 PM (pn8u0)[br/][br/]

So what? He is wealthy...we should be impressed by his hard work, not criticize him because of the advantages that his wealth has given him.

315 Gingrich will eventually eat Romney at one of the debates and Santorum will hole up with Palin and shit load of firepower to hold off the rampaging Tea Party Zombies.
***
You have that dream too, huh?

316 My point is essentially that...andthat in the eyes of her fanboys she wins every win and wins every loss by default. It is pretty lame. If she had effectively fought to win a seat that we were bound to lose toliberal RiNO in her home state, she would build credibility, not facebook fans.

Honestly, Palin is just a vessel for the base. If someone else pick up the mantle for the base, she will fade. But Romney is an insult to conservatism. WE should be honest about that.

317 I think we should be analyzing which candidate will be the most constitutional during a comPlete financial collapse - that ought to be our new calculus because the economics of it all are now front and center in a world cascading in unsustainable debt.

318 At the most he sacrificed money for power. Did running for office put him in the poorhouse?

Was he ever at risk of losing his millions?

Posted by: eman at January 28, 2012 03:57 PM (pn8u0)

 

No I am saying he isn't running for office for money, he already has it for one thing and he has the ability to make a lot more of it legally without running for office.

 

Does he want the the power of the presidency? Yes, so does everyone else running. Nobody runs for president without wanting the power that comes with the office. Why would you run if you didn't, to disolve the presidency?

 

You act like this is some sort of revalation.

319 Everyone else reads Sarah Palin's post and gets it and you read it and head off in some wacky direction re Alinksy.
I guess it just shows that if you have a preconceived notion its hard for a guy like you to think any other way.
Too bad...  her post was a great one.
But reading your impressions, its almost like you read some other post...  maybe the bizarro world version.

320 If she had effectively fought to win a seat that we were bound to lose to liberal RiNO in her home state, she would build credibility, not facebook fans.[br/]

Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2012 03:59 PM (3Qh6H)[br/][br/]

Yes! Exactly. And in spite of my fondness for her personally (great ass and a lovely rack), I find her to be sort of a sound bite politician. Lots of quick messages, but nothing for the long haul. I want somebody who has shown me that he or she can slog it out in the trenches.

321 Does he want the the power of the presidency? Yes, so does everyone else running. Nobody runs for president without wanting the power that comes with the office. Why would you run if you didn't, to disolve the presidency?

You act like this is some sort of revalation.

Please explain that to the Romneybots who think that everyone else is doing it for fame and money except Romney!

322 Too bad there isn't a candidate who could jump and knock all four of 'em out -- and then she could go on to whip Obama's beu-tocks in November

323
Oh, and Krauthammer gave a tongue-in-cheek account of the Establishment when Bret Baier asked him if he was a member.
He said, "Yes, I am. Karl Rove is the President of the group. We meet at a secret location every week..."
Posted by: Optimizer




Hey. remember a few years ago when the Left used to scream Al Queda didn't exist because they didn't have a central clubhouse.  And we used to point out a group sharing certain characteristics, such as origins, beliefs and actions, could be reasonably considered as a group, even if they weren't necessarily directed by a central authority on all occasions.

Good times, good times....

324

317 But now that she has played her part, and the blood on her claws is dried, she is blasting others for what she herself has done.
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Another good Romney liberal logic. Romney is entitled to scorch earth other people. No-one can return fire. Have they attacked Obama that harshly ever?

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I am not a Romney-bot. ....I wanted Perry. ....And yes, Romney has been the worst at using the 'scorched earth' method against the other candidates....and then he sits back and says "who me?" when anyone points it out.

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But Sarah's skirts are not clean in this either. ....She has attacked both Romney and Perry, but it was her attacks on Perry that seemed really hypocritical, since he is even more conservative than she is.
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I wonder sometimes if Sarah's love for Gingrich is not somewhat rooted in the fact that Gingrich resigned his last elective office. ....So he is a fellow quitter. ....And if he wins, she is somewhat vindicated.

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At this point....I am just hoping we can beat the SCoaMT. ....I think that Romney will turn off so many voters that it will be less likely with him than with Gingrich, even with Gingrich's baggage.

325 Know the rules and play by them. Don't come unarmed.

326 So what? He is wealthy...we should be impressed by his hard work, not criticize him because of the advantages that his wealth has given him. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 28, 2012 04:01 PM (nEUpB) The point is Mitt sacrificed nothing in running for office. I offered no criticism of his wealth or anything that comes with it.

327 Watch what happens. Romney will probably win, he is more ruthless than Newt, he is also a better liar. Then when he faces Obama he will take it down a notch or two, because this is a "gentleman's," game dontcha know? Then Obama has a pretty good chance of winning again. The fractures of a split GOP are being started now. I personally want a new party, or something to come out of the GOP that actually puts forward Constitutional Conservatives. Has just a few goals, such as balanced budget, low taxes and an energy policy. They stay out of social issues as much as possible. Build a giant coalition because you define a small set of important and achievable goals, anyway my fantasy.

328 Posted by: ambrosia at January 28, 2012 03:19 PM (oZfic)

Christ on a crutch, are you still yapping?

329 Gabe is our resident contrarian whose esoteric styled analysis on tangential subject matter is like an over zealous kid with a new bedazzler.

330 Please explain that to the Romneybots who think that everyone else is doing it for fame and money except Romney!

Posted by: LAI at January 28, 2012 04:06 PM (CAmLm)

 

I think you are the only one who brought that up and I said Romney isn't doing it for the money. As for the power, it comes with the office. We better hope whoever is in that office wants it and uses it wisely.

 

If the populist wing of the republican party is so against the power of the presidency what did you have in mind? A parliment?

331

I want somebody who has shown me that he or she can slog it out in the trenches.

 

In a revealing outfit, of course.  and maybe some stompy boots.

332 You act like this is some sort of revalation. Posted by: robtr at January 28, 2012 04:03 PM (MtwBb) Not so. I was reacting to your post which sounded to me like Mitt was sacrificing his opportunities to make money in order to run for office. Do you think Mitt sacrificed for our sakes?

333
   If this blog is any indication in an overall sense, then ABO best have some strong coattails.  And enable a really strong turnout.

  Might want to send a prayer to your favorite deity that such will be the case.

334

Posted by: Jornolist at January 28, 2012 04:09 PM (0r9H9)

 

...that's a Glitter'n.

335

@270

I agree.  Palins political career is over.  The fact that a whole lot of democrats and many mods and indies believe that Tina Fey is actually Sarah Palin is the proof.  So much of the electorate is brain dead and so much of the electorate has been blitzed by the media regarding Palins baggage that it's a lost cause in my opinion.  Personally, I like a lot of what she has to say, but most voters have only seen how she has been absolutely crusified by the MSM and they don't seem to question why.  I hope she doesn't ever run for anything again, and I could do with seeing her less on the talksies also, just for a while, just for my personal sanity.  Cause everyone knows or should know, it's all about me. 

336 But Sarah's skirts are not clean in this either. ....She has attacked both Romney and Perry, but it was her attacks on Perry that seemed really hypocritical, since he is even more conservative than she is..
I wonder sometimes if Sarah's love for Gingrich is not somewhatrooted in the fact that Gingrich resigned his last elective office. ....So he is a fellow quitter. ....And if he wins, she is somewhat vindicated.

I am a Perry guy too. I would have voted for Perry over Palin because of his record. I think Perry record is the perfect antidote to the Obama poison. However, I would take Palin over Romney any day.

337 Posted by: eman at January 28, 2012 04:08 PM (pn8u0)

Why should he have to sacrifice anything? The presidency isn't a penance, or some test before admission to heaven.

338 Anybody think it's wierd that there's no Florida polling data listed anywhere on Drudge?  Me thinks it's not in the bag for Mittens.

339 If the Tea Party can kick up a storm every time Romney decides to do something retarded, he could be one of the most successful conservative presidents in a while. Posted by: LAI at January 28, 2012 03:59 PM (CAmLm) And every time that happens, we'll hear from Team Milquetoast about how unreasonable and Nazi-like those awful Tea Party yokels are for undermining Great Glory of Bipartisan Nuance and Koombaya-Singing Politeness. "Why, these toothless flyover retards just can't appreciate the greatness of the "bipartisan" reach-arounds being done by our great Northeastern Ivy League-worshipping overlords!", they'll say, and the MFM will praise them for selling out and losing like gentlemen once again.

340 Gabe - you know we live you though right ?

341 Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2012 04:10 PM (3Qh6H

Of course. That's axiomatic. Although elegant black boots with a high heel for evening events would also be appropriate.

342 Mitt Romney is congenitally unable to look at a ledger without compulsively trying to get it into the black. What he may lack in devotion to an ideology he supplants with a reverence for the balance sheet.

343 Why should he have to sacrifice anything? The presidency isn't a penance, or some test before admission to heaven. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 28, 2012 04:12 PM (nEUpB) I did not say he should. I was reacting to robtr's post that I think implied he had sacrificed making money for running for political office.

344 "since she herself deployed some "scorched earth tactics" against other more conservative candidates like Perry..."

Can you refresh my memory on the Perry attacks. I don't recall any harsh attacks, just some warning against cronyism.

345 #344  Well,  I think Romney did sacrifice something by running, which a lot of people seem to regard:  his privacy.

This might not seem like a big deal,  but he cannot go anywhere now without media and protesters.  If he becomes a candidate,  it will get worse.

And myself,  I think having to stand on a stage without punching Newt in the nose seems to be a pretty big sacrifice.

346 I think you are the only one who brought that up and I said Romney isn't doing it for the money. As for the power, it comes with the office. We better hope whoever is in that office wants it and uses it wisely.

No, that bad thing about Romney is that he seems to run to be elected, not to fight for an idea. In other words, he wants the power of the presidency for the fame of it. ANd he wants it so bad for his personal fame that he is willing to make deal with the Washington establishment insiders who simply want the power and the money associated with that power. Just go back and see how Palin joined the McCain campaign for fame and money.  That 's why I chalked this up as another example of the hypocrisy of the Romneybots.

347

I think it will be a miracle if Newt wins the Fla primary.

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Florida seems to still have a strong pro-Bush element there. ....With Jeb Bush having been a popular governor. .....And Daddy Bush has endorsed Romney, so....I'm sure that hasn't gone unnoticed.

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So, if Romney does well in Fla, I am bracing myself for the innevitable "It's all over now, Romney is our nominee". .....But if Gingrich wins....then they will say "Oh, there are still lots of other primaries, this isn't over yet".

 

348 Does anyone believe she actually wrote that? Or the fact that she knows who Alinsky is?

349 Really - we should be looking at who will be the best candidate when the bottom falls out. Forget everything else.

350 Posted by: chemjeff at January 28, 2012 04:12 PM (7FadD)

And he and his handlers have manipulated you to think that.

They are in your head. You have no hope. Just pull the lever for Romney and all will be fine. He is the anti-Christ.

351
Sarah this - Sarah that

All this stuff is battlefield prep.

That CPAC keynote address next month is gonna be sumpthin.

352 Not so. I was reacting to your post which sounded to me like Mitt was sacrificing his opportunities to make money in order to run for office.

Do you think Mitt sacrificed for our sakes?

Posted by: eman at January 28, 2012 04:10 PM (pn8u0)

 

WTF are you talking about "sacrificed for our sakes" ?

I said he wasn't doing it for the money, he has money, he could go make more of it if he wanted more money. He has done things in his life that are the exact opposite of making more money. I assume because he was comfortable with what he has already made and was ready to do something else.

 

Now he has to sacrifice? I didn't say that , you did.

353 Gee when I left the office this thread was on and now after I got home and poured myself a nice glass of wine, it's still on. And not one sexy pic of Palin either?

354

so in summation : we are boned.

 

Bring on the End of Days Frivolities!

355 Richard Stone and Malcolm Hoenlein, the chairman and the executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, recently visited convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard at Butner prison in North Carolina. The two U.S. Jewish leaders talked with Pollard for two hours. Following the meeting, the two expressed concern about Pollard's deteriorating health condition. Well treason has a price after all

356 And not one sexy pic of Palin either?
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This is even better. George Soros: there is no difference between Romney and Obama. Maybe a psy-op.

357 Why should he have to sacrifice anything? The presidency isn't a penance, or some test before admission to heaven. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 28, 2012 04:12 PM (nEUpB) Tell that to the Romneybots who attack Palin for writing books and making money off them. A lot of the people screaming about the supposed OWS tactics used by Newt are the same ones who never miss an opportunity to blast Palin for making money.

358 373 so in summation : we are boned.

Bring on the End of Days Frivolities!

Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2012 04:18 PM (3Qh6H)

I am an initiate of the DOOM!

359 Posted by: eman at January 28, 2012 04:15 PM (pn8u0)

It seems like you are being critical of Romney because there was not existential risk to his family's wealth and power.

But this discussion is going around in circles, so for all I know you are a Paulian in RomneyBot garb, trying to get me to support Palin to further the end game.

360 Garrett - if people truly knew how dire things are economically they wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

361

see this is the incomprehensibility of Romney Derangement Syndrome, in one paragraph.

simultaneously, Romney is both a lying ruthless bastard who will stop at nothing to destroy Newt, and he is a spineless genteel wimp who will roll over when Obama plays dirty in the campaign.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 28, 2012 04:12 PM (7FadD)

I see it as the most likely scenario.

362 Now he has to sacrifice? I didn't say that , you did. Posted by: robtr at January 28, 2012 04:17 PM (MtwBb) I repeat. I did not say Mitt needs to sacrifice. I said I thought you were implying that he had done so.

363 Some poor little shut-in from NYC trolls on AoSHQ and her cats become hysterical.

Sometimes the truth just smells like cat piss.

364 fivethirtyeight Nate Silver New Florida projection: Romney 42.1 (85% chance of win), Gingrich 33.6, Santorum 13.9, Paul 8.1 (http://tinyurl.com/7rf7fyc)

There does appear to be a pinch of upward movement toward Santorum in FL -- but probably not enough to make headlines. (2hrs ago)

365 get me to support Palin to further the end game. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 28, 2012 04:20 PM (nEUpB) If this thread is about Palin's behind, count me in

366 They work together even better once I fire 100,000 more of them

Posted by: King Barry the 4th Best Evah at January 28, 2012 03:30 PM (Y+DPZ)

But we better figure out a way to disenfranchise them, because they won't be using overseas military absentee ballots this time!

367 And not one sexy pic of Palin either?

Good enough? http://bit.ly/y5kVv6

368 Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2012 04:20 PM (eCnLg)

He deserved prison time, but the sentence was harsh. But I simply don't know whether there is a reason for it other than some people get longer sentences and some people get short ones.

369 I love the way this blog chews up copy & pastes and spits them out like cat puke.

370 313 I spent this fall hating Sarah Palin and wishing she would just go away. But this last Facebook page she published speaks to exactly how I feel about what's happening in Florida.

Thank you Sarah for speaking out!

Go Newt! Down with Romney and the Rinos!

Posted by: Galadriel at January 28, 2012 03:52 PM (eScuN)

 

Ditto.  It's because she's returned to the fight instead of sitting on her ass and criticizing everybody who took the chance to run.

371 363 Can you refresh my memory on the Perry attacks. I don't recall any harsh attacks, just some warning against cronyism.
Yeah, a lot of people here seem to be saying that if you suggest that someoneÂ’s actual record needs explaining, you shouldnÂ’t complain when someone else fabricates a record as an attack. I remember listening to Palin talk about what Perry needed to look out for, and only realized it was an attack when I came to the HQ the next day.

372 >>>>>If this blog is any indication in an overall sense, then ABO best have some strong coattails. And enable a really strong turnout.

Might want to send a prayer to your favorite deity that such will be the case.>>>>>

No. Hot Air had a poll showing that the more conservative you are, the more likely you are to vote for the GOP nominee. Romney is nowhere near as toxic to the party as people would have you believe. More conservatives voted for McCain in 2008 than Bush in 2004.

Right now we're in the hysteria mode. Truman North has an item in the sidebar claiming that Romeny wants to replace ObamaCare with RomneyCare, based on a video clip of the Florida AG being interviewed. It's a lie. She said no such thing. Watch the video and see for yourself.

When the GOP finally settles on a nominee, whether it be Newt or Romney, most conservatives will turn out, regardless of what they're threatening today. It was the swing voters who won Obama the presidency, and right now Obama's looking shitty with them.

The swing voters decide every election, because libs vote for libs and cons vote for cons. Newt might be able to get the swing voters, but current polling shows he loses to Obama by double digits. That could change, of course.

But the people to worry about aren't the liberals or conservatives. It's the political bisexuals who go from one side to the other, depending on their whim.

373 It seems like you are being critical of Romney because there was not existential risk to his family's wealth and power. But this discussion is going around in circles, so for all I know you are a Paulian in RomneyBot garb, trying to get me to support Palin to further the end game. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 28, 2012 04:20 PM (nEUpB) Incorrect. I said and implied no such thing. As for your second paragraph: most amusing.

374 Garrett - if people truly knew how dire things are economically they wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

Posted by: Jornolist at January 28, 2012 04:20 PM (0r9H9)

 

The night time is the right time...

 

and I figure with the end in sight, suddenly I'm not looking too bad to the restless ladies.

375 Sarah wouldn't even go on Larry the Cable Guy's Only in America . She's clearly up to something.

376 see this is the incomprehensibility of Romney Derangement Syndrome, in one paragraph.

simultaneously,
Romney is both a lying ruthless bastard who will stop at nothing to
destroy Newt, and he is a spineless genteel wimp who will roll over when
Obama plays dirty in the campaign.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 28, 2012 04:12 PM (7FadD)

I see it as the most likely scenario.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 28, 2012 04:21 PM (7+pP9)

 

Hey, it worked for McCain.

377 Tell that to the Romneybots who attack Palin for writing books and making money off them. A lot of the people screaming about the supposed OWS tactics used by Newt are the same ones who never miss an opportunity to blast Palin for making money.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at January 28, 2012 04:20 PM (CAaOx)

 

Do you generalize much? I have never said one bad thing about Palin other than she seems to be becoming a populist by her own self admission and some on this blog are wearing their new found populism like a badge of honor or something so you might take what I said about her as a compliment. She seems to be proud of it. I am not a populist, I despise populists.

 

On the other hand I have said plenty of bad things about self described populist Newt and his adoption of OWS beleifs.

378 Posted by: eman at January 28, 2012 04:24 PM (pn8u0)

I stand corrected.

So which is it? Or are you a closet Huckabee supporter hoping that the evangelical wing will have enough delegates to nominate him at a brokered convention?

379 385 if we nominate Romney - the True Conservative(tm) Romney-haters will pout and stay home, throwing the election to Obama I disagree. I don’t think many “True Conservatives” will stay home. They also hate Obama’s record even more. But with Romney I think you will have a lot of middle-of-the-roaders staying home, because there’s going to be a somewhat justified perception that he won’t repeal the bad things Obama has done that matter to them—like ObamaCare. That is, the people who voted for Obama in 2008 but who could be convinced to vote Republican in 2012 because they were lied to, will see Romney as (a) the Rich, out-of-touch Republican that is the reason they want Democrats, and (b) not different from Obama on the parts they don’t like about Obama.

380
Hey, it worked for McCain.

Posted by: JoAnne at January 28, 2012 04:25 PM (8DdAv)

Huh. Good point. But I don't get the sense that Romney believes that he is friends with the left, like McCain clearly did.

381 Posted by: chemjeff at January 28, 2012 04:12 PM (7FadD)
Not as difficult as it seems to be bipolar.  To attack Newt or Santorum is to ensure that it remains his turn.  To attack Barky is to demean an elected minority president with similar (NE RINO liberal uber-establishment) views of both the stupidity of the populace in general and the value of an all-caring government that knows what's best for you.

382 @385 At what point do you admit Mitt is a shitty candidate? Could it really be that the problem isn't with 75% of the Republican Party? We are all idiots because we fail to recognize the divinity of a liberal one-term governor who was a CEO once?

383 booger

384 Add whiny baby to the list of Newt's Obama-like qualities.   When Newt attacks the other candidates, he's "the champion of the angry electorate, unafraid to fight the war" blah blah.  When the other candidates attack him, he's the victim of a bunch of meanies.  The sooner he loses Florida and disappears the better.  He can take Palin with him.

385 The post by Malor, unfortunately, appears to only skim what Palin was trying to say: to wit, that the Establishment was using relentless dishonesty to take down Newt, and in so doing, they were shooting themselves in the foot. Just because the Editors here disdain Palin doesn't mean that what she was saying wasn't right. It was dead on. The Establishment is either too frightened to think clearly or too interested in getting Jeb Bush elected in 2016 to do otherwise.

386 so which is it - is Romney a ruthless dick, or a spineless wimp? Posted by: chemjeff at January 28, 2012 04:23 PM (7FadD) Both. Just like McCain, he's a ruthless dick to other Republicans and a spineless wimp when it comes to the attacking Obuttfuck. From Palin's piece: "And I question whether the GOP establishment would ever employ the same harsh tactics they used on Newt against Obama. I didn’t see it in 2008. Many of these same characters sat on their thumbs in ‘08 and let Obama escape unvetted. Oddly, they’re now using every available microscope and endoscope – along with rewriting history – in attempts to character assassinate anyone challenging their chosen one in their own party’s primary. So, one must ask, who are they really running against?"

387 No, booger.

388 On the other hand I have said plenty of bad things about self described populist Newt and his adoption of OWS beleifs.

Romney is even worse in this regard. I am not fond of Newt. But Romney is even worse now in my estimation. That 's all. Attack Newt all you want, but apply the same standard to Romney.

389 Still at this, eh?

I love Truman's 'shit just got real' post in the sidebar.

Seems that he's yet another blogger to not even watch the video and take the word of the nutters at Free Republic.

Real fine blogging we have going around on the conservative websites today.

390
so which is it - is Romney a ruthless dick, or a spineless wimp?

He's willing to go balls-to-the walls against fellow Republicans but unlikely to go full throttle against Saint Barry.

There was some guy running for president in 2008 who had the same propensity, so history is on my side.

391 I wonder how many of the people who proclaim: "If _______ gets the nomination I am staying home," will actually stay home?

Most of the people I speak with about politics have very strong opinions about Obama and are going to vote -- mostly against him.

Is there really a non-trivial portion of the electorate who will not vote? I simply don't understand that in light of the existential threat to our country and our way of life.

392

363 "since she herself deployed some "scorched earth tactics" against other more conservative candidates like Perry..."

.

Can you refresh my memory on the Perry attacks. I don't recall any harsh attacks, just some warning against cronyism.

.

They were done in that subtle feline way that some women excel at. .....Starting with when Perry entered the race, Greta asked her then: "Now that Perry is in the race, are you still thinking about running?" .....Palin replied "Oh, I'm still looking to see if a candidate with true conservative principles will enter".....as though Perry wasn't that candidate.

.

Her attacks on Perry and Romney both, have fallen into the category of 'calculated, cunning and feline'....thereby creating some lame deniability. ....But the attacks were there, nonetheless. And effective.

.

There is no denying her influence. ....When Palin said "I really like Herman Cain" and flashed that gorgeous smile of hers.....her supporters flocked to Cain. ....Cain had some sort of a thing against Perry....I dunno what it was....but he never passed up an opportunity to kick sand on him, even though Perry didn't return fire.

.

So the damage that Palin did to Perry, was done as moreso through the attacks from her surrogates, but she did nothing to stop it or rein it in. ....It is a rather feminine way of doing battle, IMO.

393 Both. Just like McCain, he's a ruthless dick to other Republicans and a spineless wimp when it comes to the attacking Obuttfuck.

This is right on the mark. That 's what I despise about the Rep establishment as well.

394 So which is it? Or are you a closet Huckabee supporter hoping that the evangelical wing will have enough delegates to nominate him at a brokered convention? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 28, 2012 04:27 PM (nEUpB) Heh. I doubt Huck and I see eye to eye on much. I want to defeat Ebola and I don't want to do it with Romney, but I will help Mitt in November. As for a brokered convention: meh. Unless Palin accepts the nomination wearing a Japanese school girl uniform, it won't be worth the trouble.

395 HmÂ… letÂ’s see if BB-style links work. What inspires you to vote for Obama? Now that youÂ’ve sharpened your swords, go at itÂ…

396 Oh and Mitt loses the election because he's a fucking weirdo who sucks at campaigning and has a record of making shitty, ineffective attacks on Soetero, all the way back to 2008. Chemjeff is right that Mitt supporters will probably blame the base for Mitt's loss.

397 I am not a populist, I despise populists.

You won't like this election cycle, then.  When even Barry's SOTU is called "Reaganesque" by the MSM, then  WE THE PEOPLE really matter this time.  Everything is working for Palin right now.

For instance, Jan Brewer's new book is now #1 on Amazon's political best sellers list.  Do you know who wrote the book's forward?  Do you know what Jan Brewer wrote about Sarah Palin?

398 __________________________________

Has it occurred to anyone that the things being said about Newt are TRUE? 

What the hell would the problem be then? 

Oh, right, that it's not fair to point out that Newt has been luxuriously draping himself with Ronald Reagan's mantle. And now those dirty "establishment" Republicans are pointing out how Newt flung some shit at Reagan. - Using direct, unaltered, unambiguous quotes from... Newt Gingrich.  SO UNFAIR!!!  Dirty! Dirty!  

(Someone please tell me when I get my "Establishment" Republican Card.)

399 Another point about the "coattails" argument: The country voted the Dems out of power in the House 2010, because we were sick of what the president was doing and we wanted to stop him.

Two years later, things are worse all around, but now we're being warned that if we nominate the wrong person, not only will he lose, but we'll give the House back to the Dems and give more power to the Senate to implement more of what we tried to stop Obama from doing?

No matter who the GOP nominee is, the country is going to vote for its members of Congress based on how motivated the voters are and what they want Congress to do.

Where do you see the motivation, among liberals and swingers to give Obama more power, or among conservatives and swingers to stop and reverse what Obama's doing?

400

Interesting results in the weeds/cross-tabs on the poll cited at Legal Insurrection:

 

http://is.gd/KQ63YP

 

It seems that Mr. Romney isn't as "inevitable" as they would have us believe.....

401
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at January 28, 2012 04:30 PM (CAaOx

Beat me to it.

Congrats for your excellent posts showing how stupid Romney and his 'bots are.

402 I thought the so-called Newt slamming Reagan thing was proven untrue?

403 "I want to defeat Ebola and I don't want to do it with Romney, but I will help Mitt in November."

Posted by: eman at January 28, 2012 04:32 PM (pn8u0)

This is all that matters.

I would expand it to "I want to defeat Ebola and I will help whoever the Republican nominee is."

404 I wonder how many of the people who proclaim: "If _______ gets the nomination I am staying home," will actually stay home?

Going by the 2008 election, very few conservatives will actually stay home. Young Dems, blacks, and Hispanics tend to not bother to vote, but conservatives generally turn out.

Several conservative PACs are also launching campaigns to strengthen the GOP hand in the House and take the Senate back, so that will appeal to voters who aren't excited about the presidential nominee.

405 What inspires you to stand with Obama?
“I love the way he rewards his donors with multi-million dollar loans without regard for whether those loans will be paid back. That’s why I support President Obama.”

406 i'm not even a Newt guy (although i'm also starting to doubt the "safe choice" conventional wisdom with GOP nominees...i think it's just in this case none of our "hardcore" choices work,) but the Reagan-based attacks are goofy cuz he was critiquing him from the right. as in, we should be more aggressive in stopping Soviet expansion. honestly the Abrams thing just automatically struck me as a butthurt, cynical ploy to use the Ghost of St. Reagan to rally people against Newt.

407 Has it occurred to anyone that the things being said about Newt are TRUE? No. WeÂ’ve seen the actual uncut video. The things being said that Palin addressed were blatant falsehoods using out-of-context quotes where the context turned the meaning around.

408 So because she didn't endorse Perry as having all the conservative qualities she was looking for, right on cue, she was using "subtle, feline ways some women have" to destroy him. Keep riding that horse, Bucko! The lack of critical thinking skills on display in this post and in this thread is appalling.  I'm out. This place is becoming a joke. And not in a good way.

409 I'm not.... currently I'm going to swallow Romney, but I'm willing to be swayed.
Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 03:46 PM (dptRY

My guess is that you do A LOT of swallowing.  

You have a gift for stating the obvious, gERG.  Keep on swallowing.......

410 423 I thought the so-called Newt slamming Reagan thing was proven untrue?

> His record on that is mixed. He slammed Reagan for certain things and praised him for others, just like a number of other people.

411 For instance, Jan Brewer's new book is now #1 on Amazon's political best sellers list. Do you know who wrote the book's forward? Do you know what Jan Brewer wrote about Sarah Palin?

Posted by: mrp at January 28, 2012 04:34 PM (HjPtV)

 

 

WE THE PEOPLE has nothing to do with populism. Populism calls for a strong central government to assure that all the people are given the same regardless of their ability. Communists and progressives are populists, conservatives are free market federalists.

 

Populism is mob rule, federalism is not.

412
I'd love to see Peyton wearing teal next season.

413 Of course Gingrich portraying himself as an outsider is absurd, but there's plenty of suckers in the conservative movement that buy his con, just like there's plenty of social conservatives that think a serial adulterer who asked his last wife for an open marriage is a good spokesman for family values.

Conservatives are cheap dates that will sleep with anyone if you throw out the right lines.

414 I'd love to see Peyton wearing teal next season. Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2012 04:42 PM (sqkOB) And all along I thought you were a hot pants and gini tea kind of person?

415 I'd love to see Peyton wearing teal next season.


Squish the fish?

416

I leace this this thread for a couple hours, and when I get back there are only 430-odd comments? I figured there would be at least twice as many.

 

You guys are slipping.

417
7 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 22 seconds until Super Bowl 46

418 423 I thought the so-called Newt slamming Reagan thing was proven untrue? Posted by: USS Diversity at January 28, 2012 04:36 PM (PddVe) It was. Total fabrication, complete with doctored video, on the part of the followers of a candidate who LEFT THE PARTY BECAUSE HE DIDN'T LIKE REAGAN. Like Palin said, would these people ever even dream of using the same tactics against Barry Hussein Odumbo?

419 The whole thing is farce from top to bottom. Gingrich as a Washington outsider? Get real.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 01:27 PM out of the two gingrich does have the better claim as a washington outsider. the "establishment" threw him out, it has readily embraced romney.

420
Squish the fish, indeed.

I want Peyton back in the AFC East!

421
WHAT!!?

Newt Gingrich said truly stupid and ahistorical things about Reagan??? There are actual, unambiguous quotes from Gingrich??? And he's talking down Reagan???

And those dirty "establishment" types are pointing out how Gingrich used to fling feces at the great Ronald Reagan??? Even as Gingrich has been adorning himself with Reagan's mantle??? Say it ain't so!!! It just can't be!!! Not Newt! He would never... well.

That comment at # 419 can't possibly be true.

422 31 Gabe, perhaps Palin's complaint has less to do with Alinsky tactics and more to do with who is the target and who is the shooter.

Posted by: eman at January 28, 2012 01:49 PM (pn8u0)

 

Took 31 comments for someone to point out the obvious take from this. You morons dissapoint me sometimes. Alinsky tactics for the OTHER side is fine.

423 Heu=y check out the new ZRomney care v Obamacare video over at Hot Air. Think progress produced it. Guess what Romney and Obama say the same things in defense of their plans. I will be forever thankful to Rick Santorum for giving us a taste of how Obama will make a laughing stock of Mitt. They are already laughing at think progress

424 Romney 2012! The cheap date conservatives can suck it.

425 @427 except that's not how the debate is framed at all. The debate is framed as Romney or RUIN, not as who is the best candidate. People who have problems with Mitt's record are already being blamed for his impending loss.

426 I think (know) that I just caught my wife sniffling like a teary-eyed girl while watching Slumdog Millionaire. She's probably only about a half hour in. I've never seen it, is it a known tear -jerker or is she just over-sensitive?

427 of course populism can be right-wing. the New Right in the Western states was anti-tax populism. Reagan and Bush Jr. won elections because of populist appeal to Democrats and swing voters who don't fit with the current cultural leftist ideology of the Democratic Party. just cuz William Jennings Bryan was a populist doesn't mean it always lines up with left-wing thinking.

428 Nope. Try putting the link in your name. Well, the link does show up in the text, so I figured anyone smart enough to write something interesting about why Obama inspires them could figure it out. My final submission was: I love the way he rewards his donors with multi-million dollar loans without regard for whether those loans will be paid back. ThatÂ’s why I support President Obama. One side or a leg off, IÂ’m gettinÂ’ mine!

429 You have a gift for stating the obvious, gERG. Keep on swallowing.......

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 28, 2012 04:41 PM (UqKQV)

Again, I don't understand people's cryptic references. Is this a joke? No? Kinda shut yet yap. You already failed at basic reading earlier, stop digging.

430 I think (know) that I just caught my wife sniffling like a teary-eyed girl while watching Slumdog Millionaire. She's probably only about a half hour in. I've never seen it, is it a known tear -jerker or is she just over-sensitive?

Posted by: lincolntf at January 28, 2012 04:50 PM (hiMsy)

Did you not read yesterday's Science Shocker post?  The title of which ends in yap-holes.  Dude, it's PMS.  [j/k]

431

So get ready for another republican squish.  Hold your nose and vote again.  The Tea Party came about because conservatives are sick of this shit. I guess if we keep at it eventually we will have a conservative congress unless we leave reps and senators in office long enough for them to be seduced and compromised by the establishment.  I can't think of one conservative thing Romney has accomplished.  I don't trust him.

Newt leads the charge to take over congress, turns in 4 balanced budgets, reforms welfare and that doesn't count for shit.  I despise the attacks he has to endure from our own side. Fuck Romney and Romneycare.

432 kindly*

433 Sarah Palin? Never heard of her.

434 Mittens ain't shit but phony and squish.

435 Sarah attacked Perry for cronyism because gardisil.  Ace pointed out that she did the same damn thing as governor, but to her fans that was different somehow.   Ace also had to point out that it was Sarah who was ignoring the Eleventh Commandment, not him.  He was ignored because Sarah Can Never Be Wrong.

Look up the archives.  Ace was mocking Malkin for being anti-vaccine and Bachmann for being crazy.  All before Perry screwed-up in the debates. 


435  "Conservatives are cheap dates that will sleep with anyone if you throw out the right lines."

Yep.

436 "Conservatives are cheap dates that will sleep with anyone if you throw out the right lines." -------------------------------------------------- I swear I won't cum in your mouth.

437 Gingrich may be all juicy, fat, and doughy-looking, but if cannibalism breaks out in the GOP, it's not going to be him I eat first, Sarah.

438 440.

I think both sides "take their ball home" but I think usually it's only in really extreme circumstances.    If these mass defections didn't occur with McCain, they're probably not going to happen with Romney (especially with someone like Rubio on the ticket)

I could COMPLETELY understand a mainstream conservative not voting for Christine O'Donnell in the general, and I could COMPLETELY understand a more rock ribbed conservative not voting for say Lincoln Chaffee who you could argue was probably more liberal than the Democrat he was running against.

Usually, the only time I snub a Republican in the general is there's some real serious character and/or ethics type situation or they're simply a joke (like Christine O'Donnell), it's almost never over ideology.  (ie too moderate or too conservative) because the candidate is almost always a VAST improvement over the Democrat alternative.

439 Oh Tardisil. Bachmann's finest moment. What a dupe.

440 Good grief.  Go out for a while, come back, and this thread is still going strong.  Ugh.

Let's have a recipe thread.  *ducks and runs*

441 INNOCENT LITTLE BOYS AND GIRLSSSS

442 Ah, Count, mayhaps you're right.

443 To those who think Romney is apt to be like McCain-- tough on his primary opponents, gentle on Obama:

The situation now is totally, totally, totally different. The circumstances are in no way comparable. For McCain to be tough on Obama in 2008 was to stand in the way of a one-time "historic" event: the election of the first black POTUS. I honestly believe that was at the root of McCain's ambivalence: a part of him (maybe the larger part) actually did not want to win. There was a deep part of him that didn't want to be responsible for preventing the ultimate historical kumbaya moment, the reconciliation of races, the transcendental overcoming of the American history of racism & slavery etc. That's why a lot of Republicans went with Obama, too. It was the ultimate "meta-partisan" moment. (Not that I buy any of this, but that's the way the majority of the country felt at the time.)

There is no historical kumbaya moment at stake now (in fact, the epic historical stakes at this moment favor the GOP, not Obama: cf. debt etc.). The USA elected a black president, the one-time historical moment happened: if Obama's 2008 election is what it took to "prove" USA wasn't a racist country, well, that was proven, fine. You don't have to prove the same thing twice. Now Obama is just a shitty incumbent like any other-- in fact, much much worse, maybe the worst ever. Carter redux. The race card has lost its power.

It has nothing to do with being a "gentleman". McCain wasn't gentle on Obama because he was a "gentleman", but because of the specific historical circumstances of the 2008 election.

The historical circumstances now are entirely different, there's no comparison. Oppose Romney's nomination all you like, for other reasons-- there surely are reasons-- but this idea that he'll be soft on Obama like McCain was, is bunk. Romney's in it to win it. If he's ruthless now, he'll be ruthless in the general (in his own way: perhaps not in the fire and brimstone style favored by many conservatives, but IMO with much *more* gusto than he's gone after his primary opponents).

444 Communists and progressives are populists, conservatives are free market federalists.

Populism is mob rule, federalism is not.

Oh, brother.  Communists and progressives are elitists.  Populism is a reaction to  power-grabs by people like Obama, Pelosi and their army of placemen.

One more thing - there are forms of conservatism that are anti-free market.  Oligarchs and autocrats hate free markets.  Too much freedom and liberty in the hands of the plebs, don't you know?

445 of course populism can be right-wing. the New Right in the Western states was anti-tax populism. Reagan and Bush Jr. won elections because of populist appeal to Democrats and swing voters who don't fit with the current cultural leftist ideology of the Democratic Party. just cuz William Jennings Bryan was a populist doesn't mean it always lines up with left-wing thinking.

Posted by: KLP at January 28, 2012 04:52 PM (8HhF2)

 

You are confusing populism with popular policies. The western anti tax revolt would be considered populist if they only wanted to lower taxes on the middle and lower class (the most populus) as Obama wants to do now. That didn't happen.

 

I don't recall Reagan (trickle down economics)  having a populist bone in his body. W did expand the central government and started a huge new entitlement program so he had some populist tendancies. He just borrowed to pay for them instead of going full populist and redistributing wealth.

 

There is only one way you can finance populism and that is by redistribution. That is what the constitution tries to protect against. Right now for instance a majority thinks the rich should pay more taxes and they should pay less even though 47% of the majority pay no income tax at all.

446 From Tepid Air, Jon Voight endorses Romney:

“Governor Romney is a man of faith, honor, love, and truth,” said Voight. “These are the first very important qualities a president must have. He is strong, honest, and wants to bring the country back to its exceptional place, where we have been for hundreds and hundreds of years, until President Obama decided to follow his father’s footsteps and take us to socialism.”

“I’m sorry to say Speaker Gingrich may fall short in many ways,” said Voight. “Please join me to bring in Gov. Mitt Romney as the next President of the United States.”

Voight, who has been outspoken about his disdain for President Obama, wrote an open letter to the president last year, accusing him of “promoting anti-Semitism around the world.”

447 .

I mean, come on! Newt doesn't have a double-talking, hypocritical bone in his toad-like body. Newt would never claim to have advised Ronald Reagan on how to win the Cold War against the Soviet Union if it weren't true. We all know that Newt never EXAGGERATES. - Ever. 

I mean, what kind of shriveled prune boob would have publicly and EMPHATICALLY stated back in the 80's that Reagan's policy against the Soviets was a failure and now try and take credit for defeating Soviet communism??? Not Newt.
He's way to humble and modest. He would never. He's too truthful for that kind of thing. Isn't he?    

Besides even if Newt is a hypocritical liar it would just be the DIRTIEST of "establishment" Republican dirty tricks to actually quote Newt. How dare they!!

I think to divert from all this that Newt should remind everyone that he's the Great Attacker of Capitalism. (Newt was just splendid when he pointed out that Romney had actually fired people in the process of becoming a brilliantly successful entrepreneur. Dirty capitalists! You tell em' Newt!)
Or maybe Newt could run over and kick Paul Ryan in the shins for engaging in Right Wing Social Engineering.

Yep, Gingrich is a REAL conservative. And he's a winner.

448 Romney 2012! The cheap date conservatives can suck it.

Yeah, cheap date moderates are the voice of my generation.

449 Obama is a cancer that must be excised.We'll worry about who replaces him afterwards.Getting rid of him is life and death for the country.

450 Cut it out, Gabe.

Enough with the shilling.

451 I'm...too sexy for this thread

452 "Does anyone believe she actually wrote that? Or the fact that she knows who Alinsky is?" She cribbed it from a Freeper.

453 Kinda shut yet yap. You already failed at basic reading earlier, stop digging.

Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 04:53 PM (dptRY)

'Kinda shut yet yap' , plus commands from a Very Dim Bulb.  Keep swallowing

454 Nearly 500 posts on this thread.  Crikey.

455 Is this Batman Begins any good?

456

 "Conservatives are cheap dates that will sleep with anyone if you throw out the right lines."

 

And how!  WOOT!!

 

Flattery will get you everywhere.

457 Sarah attacked Perry for cronyism because gardisil. Ace pointed out that she did the same damn thing as governor,

Then Ace was wrong.  Palin never issued an executive order mandating the gardasil vaccination for young girls.  She may have encouraged vaccination, but that's a far cry from Perry's edict.

458 I'm going to start posting my #473 in every thread I think.Keep people focused on what needs to be done.

459 I think (know) that I just caught my wife sniffling like a teary-eyed girl while watching Slumdog Millionaire. She's probably only about a half hour in. I've never seen it, is it a known tear -jerker or is she just over-sensitive?
Posted by: lincolntf at January 28, 2012 04:50 PM (hiMsy)
Did you not read yesterday'sScience Shockerpost? The title of whichends in yap-holes. Dude, it's PMS. [j/k]
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Thanks to some moron in an earlier thread today, I just turned on TNT to watch Miracle. Am I gonna cry like a teary-eyed girl before it's over?

460 "I have come to the conclusion that the Republican party and the RINO party are the same thing."

Everything makes more sense if you ignore party affiliation and ask one question - is this person a statist or not. 

461 469 you're talking exclusively economic populism, which does tend to be left-wing but also isn't always -- Reagan's economic message was very much a populist response to a "stable" cooperative government-management-labor liberal paradigm that had stagnated. the Southern Strategy was a populist appeal to win disaffected whites who saw a huge crime spike and increasing radicalism in the wake of the civil rights movement, not just that they were prejudiced as liberals today'd have it. and Reagan couldn't win Catholic Democrats or formerly apolitical evangelicals if he didn't have populist appeal on cultural issues. populism is really an apolitical term that can go either way, but it's certainly key to victory on both sides, otherwise people like the anti-FDR GOP candidates, Bush Sr., Dole etc. would've done better.

462 I watched the video of Florida AG Pam Bondi where she talks about ObamaCare and RomneyCare. She did not say Mitt wants to install MassCare in the other 56 States (the Moon Colony is omitted). However, she did strongly imply that Romney will replace ObamaCare with something wonderful. She alluded to some unnamed future Romney Plan and she says it will do many really cool things and she will join Romney's team to help.

463 477 Kinda shut yet yap. You already failed at basic reading earlier, stop digging.

Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 04:53 PM (dptRY)
'Kinda shut yet yap' , plus commands from a Very Dim Bulb. Keep swallowing

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 28, 2012 05:08 PM (UqKQV)

I'm sorry, must have misunderstood you. What are you standing for? Other than ad hominems? Pointing out you were logically wrong got you sore?

464 Newt leads the charge to take over congress, turns in 4 balanced budgets, reforms welfareand that doesn't count for shit.

Just to emphasize again, I totally understand the hatred and badmouthing of Romney--I really think a lot of people are looking at Gingrich's record, though, through rose-colored glasses.

The balanced budget in the 90s had mostly to do with the economy improving.  Outside of welfare reform, he did very little to cut spending and, in fact, earned a lot of the animosity he developed among House Republicans by completely caving into Clinton on the budget fights.  He was a ur-Rove when it came to Republican acceptance of big government.

I agree that Coulter has gone too far in her criticism of him, but this what she means when she says you get all the negative publicity of a firebrand with Gingrich without any of the good.  He 1.) took a perfectly legitimate fight (the government shutdowns over the budget), 2.) gave the left all the fodder they needed for a boogeyman, 3.) made the fight personal instead of ideological by saying he was doing it because he was snubbed by having to sit in the back of a plane, and then 4.) caved to Clinton just when polls were starting to go our way.

465 479 Is this Batman Begins any good?

It is good enough, if a bit boring at times.  It is a good "origins" story for the Batman reboot.

466 agh, first part should be in quotes:

"Newt leads the charge to take over congress, turns in 4 balanced budgets, reforms welfareand that doesn't count for shit."

Just to emphasize again, I totally understand the hatred and badmouthing of Romney--I really think a lot of people are looking at Gingrich's record, though, through rose-colored glasses.

The balanced budget in the 90s had mostly to do with the economy improving. Outside of welfare reform, he did very little to cut spending and, in fact, earned a lot of the animosity he developed among House Republicans by completely caving into Clinton on the budget fights. He was a ur-Rove when it came to Republican acceptance of big government.

I agree that Coulter has gone too far in her criticism of him, but this what she means when she says you get all the negative publicity of a firebrand with Gingrich without any of the good. He 1.) took a perfectly legitimate fight (the government shutdowns over the budget), 2.) gave the left all the fodder they needed for a boogeyman, 3.) made the fight personal instead of ideological by saying he was doing it because he was snubbed by having to sit in the back of a plane, and then 4.) caved to Clinton just when polls were starting to go our way.

467 "This is bullshit. Worst country-wrecking piece of shit president EVER and these asshol;es are destroying each other. It's just a game to them."

Mussolini probably thought that too until some mob strung him up with a music wire garrote from a lamp post.

The glue that hold a modern society together and keeps things (largely) civil is far weaker than most people believe it to be.

468 Sarah attacked Perry for cronyism because gardisil. Ace pointed out that she did the same damn thing as governor,

Then Ace was wrong. Palin never issued an executive order mandating the gardasil vaccination for young girls. She may have encouraged vaccination, but that's a far cry from Perry's edict.

Posted by: mrp at January 28, 2012 05:09 PM (HjPtV)

I think the bigger point is that we certainly mandate vaccines for all sorts of things for public health reasons already. You can't send your kid to school without a variety of shots.

You may disagree with this particular shot, I'm not even sold that it's mandatory. I just found it interesting it was the great conservative cause of the moment to be anti-vaccine freaks. Of course that was probably a small minority of the objectors, but the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

469 Be careful voting against Obama friends. It's gonna be the LA riots all over again if he loses.

470 that it should be mandatory*

I should check my posts first.

471 479 Is this Batman Begins any good?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 28, 2012 05:09 PM (PddVe)

If you've already seen "The Dark Knight" you'll be disappointed.

472 " future Romney Plan and she says it will do many really cool things"

The coolest thing govt could ever do is simply leave me the fuck alone.

473 ---Pointing out you were logically wrong got you sore?
Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 05:12 PM (dptRY---

What "logic", gERG?  You told me I didn't read the post.  ad hom, et tu

You wrote over a dozen posts without saying anything:  You puke out bland truisms--and write like a twelve-year-old girl.  Earnest, but clueless--kinda

474 populism is really an apolitical term that can go either way, but it's certainly key to victory on both sides, otherwise people like the anti-FDR GOP candidates, Bush Sr., Dole etc. would've done better.

Posted by: KLP at January 28, 2012 05:11 PM (8HhF2)

 

No I am not, populism by definition calls for majority rules. Federalism does not. There are several blocks in the constitution to a populist form a government.

475 there are conservatives in Santa Rosa?? i'm not alone!

476 "This is bullshit. Worst country-wrecking piece of shit president EVER and these asshol;es are destroying each other. It's just a game to them."


I wouldn't mind that they look at it as a game.  It's the fact that they suck at this game so badly and are eating the board like retards that really ticks me off.

477 .

You know what's weird?
That it's actually considered dirty politics to quote Gingrich. That playing back Newt's _own words_ spoken from the jiggling flesh of his own mouth is wrong.

Why is that? Is it because we can't take the wife-hopping, serially philandering Newt at his own word?

Hmmmmmm.

478 Boo hoo.

"...by five I'm ready to fight all night."

http://tinyurl.com/msvpr2

When will the GOP come to their inebriated senses?

479

481
Sarah attacked Perry for cronyism because gardisil. Ace pointed out that she did the same damn thing as governor,

.

Then Ace was wrong. Palin never issued an executive order mandating the gardasil vaccination for young girls. She may have encouraged vaccination, but that's a far cry from Perry's edict.

.

Palin had no problem with the vaccine itself.....or with making taxpayers pay for it. ....No, she didn't do an EO about it. Because taxpayers were having to pay for the vaccines in her state.

.

Perry's way....issuing an EO with an opt-out....made the insurance companies have to pay for it, instead of the taxpayers. ....So Perry accomplished the same thing --- expensive vaccine, free to people who wanted it ---but without making taxpayers have to pay for it.

480 --the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 05:15 PM (dptRY) ----

srsly, does this come naturally to you?  Like swallowing?  Are you for real, mam??

481 "the Southern Strategy was a populist appeal to win disaffected whites who saw a huge crime spike and increasing radicalism in the wake of the civil rights movement, not just that they were prejudiced as liberals today'd have it. and Reagan couldn't win Catholic Democrats or formerly apolitical evangelicals if he didn't have populist appeal on cultural issues."

The Southern strategy was implemented by Nixon, not Reagan.  A large amount of Reagan's evangelical support also arose not so much from him, but due to them feeling they had been screwed over with Carter.  They pegged Carter as being one of them (Pat Robertson even supported him if I remember correctly) and felt his administration hadn't delivered to put it mildly.

482 "No I am not, populism by definition calls for majority rules." not really...it just means a theme that resonates with a large amount of the middle. McCain-Palin lost but you could certainly make the case that Palin was the most populist candidate in the race, good or bad.

483 The coolest thing govt could ever do is simply leave me the fuck alone.
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Sorry, not in its nature.

484

wtf?  a Teh SARAH!!!!!! post and no one called me?

bastards!!!

 

let me see who the RINOs and haters are

485 well yeah Nixon was the Southern Strategy guy, but it's not as though Southerners went back to voting for Democrats in national elections after him, except for Carter like you say, and Clinton to an extent. Democrats were pegged as the soft-on-crime, white guilt party for a long time after Nixon left office.

486 ---there are conservatives in Santa Rosa?? i'm not alone!

Posted by: Resident of Novato at January 28, 2012 05:18 PM (8HhF2) ---

Many conservatives in Sonoma County, there are.  Hidden, half-hidden.........

487 Perry's way....issuing an EO with an opt-out....made the insurance companies have to pay for it, instead of the taxpayers. ....So Perry accomplished the same thing --- expensive vaccine, free to people who wanted it ---but without making taxpayers have to pay for it. Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2012 05:19 PM (ALwK/) That was a shitty move on Perry's fault. Why should insurance companies get the bill? And wouldn't they just pass on the cost to their clients?

488 Gingrich's lack of shame is so all-encompassing one almost has to admire it.

489 i remember Novato was apparently the "hick" town of Marin County growing up, apparently because we're slightly less pinko than the rest of it or San Francisco.

490 Perry's way....issuing an EO with an opt-out....made the insurance companies have to pay for it, instead of the taxpayers. ....So Perry accomplished the same thing --- expensive vaccine, free to people who wanted it ---but without making taxpayers have to pay for it.

Taxpayers still paid for it. It was just hidden by running it through insurance. Ultimately taxpayers pay for everything.

491 Meggy when you get so smart?

492 not really...it just means a theme that resonates with a large amount of the middle. McCain-Palin lost but you could certainly make the case that Palin was the most populist candidate in the race, good or bad.

Posted by: KLP at January 28, 2012 05:20 PM (8HhF2)

 

You are confusing a popular message with a populist form of government.

493 367 Does anyone believe she actually wrote that? Or the fact that she knows who Alinsky is? Posted by: cvb at January 28, 2012 04:16 PM (HRFxR) YEAH! Let's insinuate that Palin can't write and doesn't know who Alinski is! I mean, she's only been bringing up Alinski since 2008, so there's OBVIOUSLY NO CHANCE she would know who Alinski is, right? And she hired people to write stuff for her after she was tapped for VP, because she never wrote an op-ed before that, right? You're a fucking retard, CVB. I don't know if your an Obuttfuck axleturfer or a Romneybot, but I do know that you're a fucking retard. I'll tell your mom to bring you some Nilla Wafers as soon as she's done tongue-punching my fartbox, CVB. 'Cuz all AoS Morons know that tards love them some Nilla Wafers.

494

Sorry... but some of Alinskys tactics are good valid tactics, some are over the top.

 

Saying they must abide their own rules?  Has nothing to do with Alinsky...  but is just common sense...

 

Personalize an issue so you can attack that person, instead of the issue?  Is a whole other kettle of fish...

 

So... it depends....

 

Oh, and saying there are 'leaders' of the TEA party movement?  Not really... there are spokesmen, many of whom were selected by the Media, and then Coopted by the GOP... but the TEA party is still out there, and yes, still angry...

495 At the gateway pundit:  Cat out o' bag.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/

http://tinyurl.com/77xh4mj

If you love America, you will stop Romney even if it means you have to go to the frickin' moon.

496 Meggy when you get so smart?

Oops. Apparently not smart enough to change my socks.

497 .

Newt was fantastic when he canoodled on the couch with Nancy Pelosi whispering sweet Global Warmings to her and the rest of us. (Gingrich only co-sponsored 418 bills with Nancy Pelosi when he was a congressman - BEFORE he quit in disgrace. It had something to do with his own party running him out - go figure!)  

And remember how Newt was in favor of Cap & Trade - before he was against it.

It's Newt's consistency and genuine conservatism that you have to love.

Although he did deviate a bit recently when he declared Paul Ryan's plan to reform entitlements: Right Wing Social Engineering.

Yep, nothing like TRUE conservative Newt.

498

511....That was a shitty move on Perry's fault. Why should insurance companies get the bill? And wouldn't they just pass on the cost to their clients?

.

Uh....so insurance companies shouldn't have to pay claims? ....because then they would pass the cost to their clients? .....That's why they get paid in the first place. via premiums --- to pay for things that they insure for. 

.

And in the case of the Gardasil and Perry's EO about it.....it was a moot point anyway, because Perry rescinded it after people objected. ....So, the insurance companies win, the people have to pay for it if they want their little girls to get a shot of liquid whore.

499 big turnout for the last day of "early voting" in FLA. 

Newt hardest hit??    Silver dimes disappear from coin stores........

500 That "Southern Strategy" crap is a lie promulgated by Democrats to keep blacks on their plantation. It does no good for us to repeat it here.

Nixon was the most liberal Republican President ever. There never was any kind of a "Southern Strategy". The Democrats lost the South over becoming anti-war zealots in 1968.

501 >so I figured anyone smart enough to write something interesting about why Obama inspires them could figure it out.<

We're MORONS. I can barely figure out which end of my socks to put on first. That's why I always look to Gabe for an honest opinion of anything Sarah Palin did or said.

502 Finally new thread up.

503 Most morons forget to change their socks, you mean.

504 Nood post!

505 in NoCal, conservatives are

Not known, because not looked for 
But heard, half heard, in the stillness
Between the two waves of the sea.

506 .

Was sanctioned and fined $300,000.00 by the Republican House for ethical wrongdoing.  

507
What the? That was just a simple copy and paste line.


Anyway, see comment #419.

508 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 28, 2012 05:28 PM (lZBBB) Key difference: Palin was decrying the use of Alinski tactics against a fellow Republican BY PEOPLE WHO WOULD NEVER USE THE SAME TACTICS AGAINST OBAMA.

509 Sarah attacked Perry for cronyism because gardisil. Ace pointed out that she did the same damn thing as governor, but to her fans that was different somehow. It was different because Palin did not make it a required vaccination only a few months after approval, nor did she require that insurance companies pony up for it, nor did her campaign accept money from the only company selling it, nor did anyone in her campaign move on to employment with the company making it. She wasnÂ’t saying he had to explain his supporting vaccinations, but that he had to explain why this one looked a lot like cronyism. She was right, and she worded it as nicely and as non-confrontationally as possible. PerryÂ’s actions touched heavily on the role of government and she lobbed him a softball that he should have hit out of the park. Gardasil then was an expensive, new vaccine made by a company that donated a lot more money to Perry than he admitted to, followed by one of his staffers becoming a Merck lobbyist. If she had wanted her comments to be an attack they could have been worded a lot more harshly than she did. I have more in the link on my name.

510 WTF is that ^ ?

511

Jesus, the masterbasting Perrywankers at this blog will just never get over Sarah not giving the thing to ole Rootin Tootin Rick!

Keep floating down that river in Egypt boys; it wont ever change the plain fact that your boy was a dud and you're damn fools to keep gnashing over his failure with such spectacular childishness.

Your sputtering indignation waxes musically.

512 Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2012 05:30 PM (ALwK/) An insurance policy is a contract. If something is not covered, it's not covered. If you want something outside the contract, you should pay for it.

513 "There never was any kind of a "Southern Strategy" this is goofy. Nixon used the term himself and told his advisors he wanted to get Wallace voters in '72 to expand on his slim '68 victory. he told Southerners he was opposed to forced busing -- a perfectly defensible position as there's a difference between desegregation and forced integration. we should be able to acknowledge it and point out that it doesn't invalidate other reasons the Democrats lost the South post-'64.

514 The Republican Party, insiders and fringe, knows that we can't avoid the cliff and no one really wants to be at the helm when we plunge over.
Thus the crappy candidates that we have.

515

Posted by: Anony at January 28, 2012 04:58 PM (Yigvc)

 

sarah never mentioned perry by name. the assumption it was perry was on the part of her supporteres who were flailing and lashing about trying to blame anyone for st. sarah not entering the race. they couldnt face the fact that she was never going to run and was just dragging it out for money and attention.

516 .

I have no idea why the thread posted all that weird code and HUGE blank space just a few comments back.

But I do know that the comment at #419 is the bees knees.

517

@ #512 "Gingrich's lack of shame is so all-encompassing one almost has to admire it."

 It's not a 'lack of shame,' per se.

 Like most - if not all - of the other politicos we have in charge of us, he's quite simply a socio-path.

518 OMG, anonymous sources and bloggers with an axe to grind told me that Perry and Palin snorted lines of Tardasil off the top of an oil drum AFTER THEY HAD THREE-WAY BUTTSEX WITH GLEN RICE!!!11!!!11!! READ ALL ABOUT IT IN MY KNEW BOOK!

519
...just like there's plenty of social conservatives that think a serial adulterer who asked his last wife for an open marriage is a good spokesman for family values.

That's been proven to be bullshit.

Try again?

520 Debunking Southern Strategy myth.

http://is.gd/Vxs4H1

521

But at some point she has to stop being the victim and FIGHT for conservatism and convince Joe Schmoe, not just Palinistas.

 

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Ummmm..... re-read Gabe's post. A couple of the things he asserts are actually true.

 

Palin is a Conservative Radical.

 

Go watch MMA. When a guy with a black belt in juijitsu pulls guard, it isn't a defense - it's an ambush.

522 _____________

Yeah, Ed Idiot, it was proven wrong when Gingrich lied and said that he had provided "several" of his and his SECOND ex-wife's closest friends to corroborate his 'story'. 

Finally, after days of asking for him to name just one person to corroborate his fuckin' lie, Gingrich referred the press to his two daughters - from his FIRST marriage.

Newt is such a class act.

523
populism is really an apolitical term that can go either way, but it's certainly key to victory on both sides, otherwise people like the anti-FDR GOP candidates, Bush Sr., Dole etc. would've done better.

Posted by: KLP at January 28, 2012 05:11 PM (8HhF2)

You've obviously never cracked a history nook, dumbass.

524 ___________

No Newt would NEVER lie to anyone. He would never give his word and make a solemn promise to his wife and God before witnesses to forsake all others and then shit on his own word.

That's just not Newt.

525 529 Most morons forget to change their socks, you mean. Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 05:33 PM (dptRY) Hell, sometimes it can take a few days to remember to change our undies...

526
*history book*

527 so Nixon lost the South when a Dixiecrat alternative was available. and? i certainly don't think Nixon was a racist president, or that there weren't other reasons for the Southern realignment. we're talking about rhetoric, not policy though. and Nixon's anti-forced busing, tough-on-crime rhetoric was much more attractive to Southerners than the Democrats after the FDR-LBJ coalition collapsed. Southern Democrats were not high-tax cultural liberals, even though they voted for such people who tolerated Dixiecrats in the coalition.

528 ___________

Newt wouldn't do that to one wife - let alone THREE!

529

Jesus, the masterbasting Perrywankers at this blog will justnever get over Sarah not giving the thing to ole Rootin Tootin Rick!

 

--------

 

WTF?

 

Gee thanks. You the type that thinks firing AK's into the air straight over your head is full of WIN?

 

Why the hell are building spiteful little wedges between Sarah Palin and Rick Perry? They are both good people.

530 @551: How about some hot librarian nook... Ever cracked one of those?

531 532 Is this class divide between the candidate in FL for real? Does anyone who lives there see that?

I can't tell if it's real and if it's a manifestation of the Establishment/Base divide or a panhandle/south FL thing.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 28, 2012 05:34 PM (N/1Dm)

Many Floridians I know are voting Romney in the primary. We voted Rubio and Scott in 2010, which makes us RINO-Light depending on who is throwing monkey feces today at Romney voters. I don't know about a class divide, but we all have a college education. The Panhandle is more Southern, and more Jeb Bush country. My county is a major GOP population. That said, as I have said 1 million times, I am prepared to vote for any Republican and a straight GOP ballot in November. I leaned Perry before he melted in the debates and dropped out. I feel Romney has the best shot against Obama and I like him the best of the four.

The GOP "elite establishment" vote here in 2010 went to Crist and McCollum. I knew many who hung onto the party line as I went against the tide. So go figure. McCollum, by the way, has appeared with Gingrich on stage this week. McCollum, who was Charlie Crist's AG and supported Crist vs Rubio, has said Florida will go to Gingrich. We'll see, as he has the touch of Midas and Obama in predicting these rodeos.

I am still trying to figure out how Mitt Romney can be considered "establishment" when he has never worked in DC. He ran against the "elite establishment" McCain in 2008 if I recall.

532 Dave I'm calling you out

533 so cuz i reject this revisionist history that defines terms extremely narrowly -- Populism Is Always Bad, therefore it's Always Left-Wing -- i'm not historically knowledgeable. mmmk. it's funny people raging against The Establishment want to reject the notion that right-wing populism exists. i think Newt would be flattered if you told him he was the populist candidate so i dun' geddit

534 Go ahead.

535 "203 Nora

Nora

Did all caps make you "feel" better?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 28, 2012 03:09 PM (NQhK1)"

Yes, it did PG - your delusion as to why Perry floudered, SUBSTANCE not style, needed to be yelled at you.  Think of it as a slap needed by someone too fucking stupid to calm down.

536 ________

I'm ready Sarah.

537 Newt loves his wife deeply. That's why he's had so many of them.

538

it's funny people raging against The Establishment want to reject the notion that right-wing populism exists.

 

Cuz 1960's racism.

 

You're a racist moron... you can't rule yourself. You morons will bring back Farmer Jones. Just repeat after me, "2 legs bad, vote for conservative Mitt Romney".

539 _____________


Any time, Sarah. Or did comment #419 leave you flummoxed?

540 _________

Hey Entropy, what's your definition of a conservative?
Does Newt match it?

541

The Establishment treats anything that might be construed as populism as 'kooky and unserious'. Because it threatens their elitist entrenched interest.

 

I am not a populist - democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner - but an anti-populist defense of the status quo regardless of the fact that it's directly against the interests of most people in America, that is nothing but rank elitism.

542 no, not cuz 1960s racism. cuz 1960s racial politics and other problems as the Democrats moved left. the only simplistic thinking here is "the Populist Party was left-wing, therefore all populism = left-wing" as for the "racist" random attack, lol...when did the Right decide it needed to try and out-racial PC the Left anyway

543 I'm not votong for any of these dumb SOB's.  I'm staying home.  Re-elect Obama and let the decline continue.  I really don't give a shit anymore.  This country has no leaders.  If this is all we have to offer, we're screwed anyway.

544 Newt!! yay! awesome!!

545 ________

Entropy, why not tell us whether you think that Gingrich is a conservative?

Clearly, he isn't. 

546 Since about 06 I have been a fan of fighting fire with fire against the left, anyway to stop them.  I have changed on that recently.

Its more of a religious notion,  I think we are to do our best to fight fire with the waters of freedom and aggressive persuasiveness.  I now feel that God will help when that is insufficient. 

Remember when that oil leak suddenly exposed the previously seemingly invincible Obama as out of touch, hyper-political, and generally incompetent?  A huge oil leak should have helped the left politically yet all anyone who bothered looking saw was a naked emperor covered in oil.  If socialist America education, courts, media, bureaucracy etc.. is like a fleet,  I beleive the Lord/reality will send many more such icebergs like the oil spill to help sink the fleets we can not take commandeer.  The internet iceberg has already punctured the LSMedias News monopoly.

So many forms of amateur entertainment are now puncturing the LSM entertainment monopoly.  They will always be the goliath but now we have Davids.  The future is ours if we will but fight for it and I am convinced the Lord will amplify our efforts,  just as he did with David.

547 _______

I'm David.

548 _____

And I refer you to comment #419

549 571 I'm not votong for any of these dumb SOB's. I'm staying home. Re-elect Obama and let the decline continue. I really don't give a shit anymore. This country has no leaders. If this is all we have to offer, we're screwed anyway.

Posted by: fused at January 28, 2012 06:03 PM (P34gz)

That's the spirit of a red-blooded American patriot! Huff another whip-it with Demi!Smoke some spice and sit back and enjoy the dip into socialism with Obama and, by all means, don't vote in November. Barry thanks you.

550 So, is the Tea Party a populist movement?

551

I prefer not to fight over arbitrary definitions of conservative.

 

I am a right-leaning libertarian, a Hayekian 'classical liberal'. I hold Austrian school economics as a matter of undeniable fact, I oppose to-down social engineering by lefist academic 'Studies' groups and am a bit of a populist on most 'social issues'. Regardless of the State issue, the federal government should definetly not be involved. I am a strong advocate for federalism, the decentralization and distribution of power, maximum freedom in the markets, minimal cronyist government, and an obstructionist civil-libertarian supreme court that exists mostly to toss out legislative over-reach.

 

I am not a dove and I believe in an active and engauged foreign policy, but I think the Neocon set is too interventionist to the point of being warmongering in places like Libya (where the Weekly Standard criticizes Obama for NOT putting 'boots on the ground').

 

I have worked in and grown up around 'Merit Shop/rat' small businesses in building and construction trades in Chicago Illinois, suffice it to say I think labor unions are a form of organized crime that has taken over many of a local government and uses them to oppress the many and favor the few and well-connected.

552
Romneybots:

I don't like Newt. I didn't like Cain. I did, however, admire their chutzpah.

Romney is a cheap trick artist among other GOP candidates but he'll fold like a cheap suit and be be a limp dick against Obama.

McCain II

The GOP establishment doesn't want to beat Obama and Romney is their perfect candidate to achieve that goal.

It's too bad that 10% of you dumbasses will have to wait until the day after the general to figure out the big picture. Even worse, the rest of you will never get it.

553 #419 Dave,  it has occurred to me.  Most of the people in DC want to keep their jobs.  There are,  in addition, more perks if the guy inyour party holds the White House.

Now a lot of the people in Congress may be squishes,or even complete scum. But one thing I do know; they want to keep their jobs.

If Newt were the ONLY person who could defeat Obama, most of them would line up behind him despite the moon base and space mirrors.  But they haven't.

The only explanation is that they don't want to lose;  ergo,  Romney must be seen by them as the best chance. 

I do not subscribe to the idea that they don't care who wins as long as an anti-establishment person is kept out of Washington.  That sounds to me like a Glenn Beck theory, which I give no credence to.

Has anyone mentioned that both Paul and Santorum have pointed out that things in DC were not the way Newt described them?

554 _______

Entropy,

Fair enough. You sound like a brother conservative to me. I can't claim to have read Road To Serfdom yet. (Shame on me.) But it's on my Kindle list.

555 Election Night 2012: Romney loses narrowly "if only you goddamned squishes had nominated Gingrich, we would've lost even wor--i mean this never would've happened!"

556 _________

Excellent points Miss Marple. Especially the last one.

557 I think public schools are the worst thing to ever happen to education in America, and if you want to know what "Corporate Schools" would look like, you need look no further than the Progressive system of public schooling that was implemented by the robber-barons of the Gilded Age around the goal of maximizing worker effenciency and output on an assembly line.

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Hey, The Future, you're living in pure futuristic fantasy land, man, if you think that Gingrich would defeat Obama.

Bigfoot dressed as a circus clown would have a better chance at beating President Obama in the general election.

559 Dear Ed Anger, thank you for the monkey feces.

Please explain to this "dumbass Romneybot" who was voting Perry, by the way, how the "GOP establishment" (whoever the hell they are) does not want to beat Obama. Apparently I have been living in an alternate universe since 2008. This is a new fact I have learned this week along with Demi huffing whip-its.

560 The GOP establishment doesn't want to beat Obama and Romney is their perfect candidate to achieve that goal.

Yep.  2012 will be a Ruling Class vs. the rest of America confrontation.

561 CNN rerunning the last debate. The important question about why each candidate thinks his wife would make the best lay is coming up after the commercial.

562 #585  I believe it was in  the debate with no applause. Everyone thought it was boring,  but I thought that pointwasquiteinteresting, and should have gotten more attention.

Are there transcripts of debates anywhere?  That was an NBC debate,  I believe.

563 Newt is saying Callista has a musical background as a penist...

564 ________

Yes, we all know how America hates a brilliant success story.

There is simply no way that American voters will go for a self-made entrepreneur who has had a big hand in personally creating Tens of Thousands of Jobs. Nope, they'll never go for someone with a proven track record in business. Or someone who single handedly turned around the Winter Olympics.

Yeah, we all know how America hates success. They're bound to stick with the current president in this suck-ass economy when they're presented a viable alternative. 

Get a clue, "mrp".

565 Newt guy just on Fox talking about Gingrich's support of a portion of the "Dream Act" that allows aliens to earn citizenship by serving in the military.  What they are not telling is that we already have that without the Dream Act.

566 588 ChristyBlinky

You're witnessing the mind-numbing stupidity of the "purists" around here. These are the same people who got Chris Coons elected and Harry Reid re-elected. They'll get Obama re-elected too if they have their way...

567 #589  mrp,  where is your evidence that the GOP establishment doesn't wantto beat Obama.

Assuming that you think they are all taking payoffs left and right,  to what end would they want to continue with a president with whom they have no inflence?  How many campaign donations do you think hot-shot corporate people will give to a guy who cannot get them a meeting with the president?

This talk of elitists is fine when you are talking about David Frum or Peggy Noonan, who basically suck up to the New York Times people.  But people in Congress operate on donations and constituent favors. 

Plus they count on a popular candidate to increase their donations andsupport.

Explain to me the logic of elitists Republicans wanting Obama to win.  And "because Beck and Palin say so" is not an answer.

568 If only you'd nominated me, then we would've had an epic contest of who could race-bait more!

569 Fox also played a clip of Newt saying he couldn't debate Mutt because Mutt simply lies about everything.
You can't debate a serial liar.

570 ___________________

Wait, did I say that Romney had a personal hand at creating Tens of Thousands of Jobs? That's so wrong.

What I meant to say is that Mitt Romney is responsible for creating more than a Hundred Thousand Jobs.

Anyway, it's true, America hates success. In this sad economy, America will never vote for a man with a proven track in business.

They're much more likely to vote for a controversial philanderer with a radioactive background.

571 @598...perhaps Santorum is wanting a VP slot if he packs it in and does not endorse either of the two leaders. I am ok with that.

I like Ron Paul but his foreign policy and no war vs Iraq/Mooslems freaks me out.

572

Please explain to this "dumbass Romneybot" who was voting Perry, by the way, how the "GOP establishment" (whoever the hell they are) does not want to beat Obama.

 

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The "establishment" is not some lockstep group smoking cigars in the back room.

 

I suspect some of them think Obama is unbeatable but they like the 5-10% coat-tail effect they think he'll carry in places like Michigan, which is seen as being aggressive and taking it to democrats on their turf.

 

Some of them are Stockholme Syndrome Conservatives who have been browbeaten with too many leftists premises and wouldn't know a genuine independent if they bit him on the ass.

 

And some of them may think the Democrats programs are too extreme by 5%, but by god, they aren't going to let those crazy unwashed kooks in the Tea Party get control of government and slash to bits their lives work, and end the game by which they ply their livelyhood as they know it.

 

Gingrich is an imperfect vessel, as Palin says, for Tea Party support.

 

But however we got here, here we are. He is the vessel for the Tea Party, and you go to war with the army you have, not the one you wish you had.

573 #599  Vic,  Newt is not exactly a beacon of truth. And if he can't debate Romney because he supposedly lies,  then how in the hell is he going to debate Obama?  That has always been his big claim,that he was the only one who could  debate Obama.

Obama is a serial liar of the worst sort, and in the presidential debates the candidate will get zero help from the moderators or the audience.  So if Newt cannot debate Romney,  how will he debate Obama?

574

So Gabe thinks that anyone who opposes an establishment is following Alinsky? Dude, Alinsky was the leading American communist of the 20th century. And why don't you actually look at the substance of his rules, like his "personalize it, freeze it" instuction.

That is simply a call for ad homeneim attacks. Don't debate on substance, attack the person. However much we might not like his substance, it is substance that Newt is attacking on, like when he says that we are heartless if we disagree with amnesty for illegal immigrants. He is criticizing us on policy. There is nothing Alinsky about it.

Gabe even thinks that it is now hypocritical for conservatives to condemn Alinsky tactics because some conservatives supposedly embrace Alinsky tactics. So we are all Alinskyites now? We have an actual Alinsky communist in the White House, but Gabe is against criticizing Alinskyism because we are all supposedly Alinskyites now.

Really a bad post.

575 Explain to me the logic of elitists Republicans wanting Obama to win. And "because Beck and Palin say so" is not an answer.


Then they want Obama to win so that it'll teach us hobbits a lesson. Then they can "I told you so" for the next 4 years and  give us another crap weasel in 2016.

576 Fair enough, Miss Marple.  The Ur document for the Ruling Class vs. Plebs argument is Angelo Codevilla's essay "America's Ruling Class ... And the Perils of  Revolution" (The American Spectator 2010 Summer issue)

tinyurl.com/2c4k6mw

It was widely read and talked about at the time.   The point being that the political and social elites belonging to both national parties have more in common with each other than with the rest of the country, and they are more than willing to use whatever means necessary to accrue more wealth and power for themselves as a Ruling Class, and for their progeny.

577

What I meant to say is that Mitt Romney is responsible for creating more than a Hundred Thousand Jobs.

 

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Do not conflate a successful businessman with a capitalist, do not conflate successful corporations under what is essentially a corporatist/cronyist/socialist market model with what sucessful corporations would like under a free market.

 

Guys like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are very clearly not on our side, and neither is many a wallstreet venture capitalist or corporate CEO.

578 490--It wasn't Gingrich who caved during the government shut down, it was Bob Dole,who led the Senate. According to George Stephanoplis (I think--it was someone who worked with Clinton) the White House was actually starting to talk about how they should give in, when out of the blue--and without consulting Gingrich --Dole caved. Gingrich wasn't running the whole Congress, and the two Senate leaders he had to work with--Bob Dole and then Trent Lott--were pretty spineless.

579 ______________

You know, Entropy, if Gingrich were an actual conservative, I might have a tough decision to make.

But since Gingrich is prone to attack capitalism and entitlement reform (remember how he declared Paul Ryan's entitlement reform plan "right wing social engineering) and support bail outs like TARP, and support Cap & Trade, and sit on the sofa with Nancy Pelosi while swooning over global warming, and endorse pro-abortion same-sex marriage activist Dede Scozzafoza, and take BIG money from Freddie Mac....

...it's not a tough decision at all.

Newt is not a conservative. But he talks the lingo. He's a wet dream fantasy for duped conservatives. 

And he's pre-irradiated. He cannot win in the general election.

Get over him.

Drop him like a hot potato.

580 We all need to hash this out after 5 o'clock mass and pancakes. I'm starting to feel like there are Sunni and Shi'a factions of the right-wing establishment. I for one am holding out for the 12 Imammaries.

581 #605  I am going to try to be polite.  Since you see yourself as a hobbit,  do you forget that the elite elves and the kings JOINED with the hobbits?

Please folks.  This elitist stuff is not the unifying theory of all things.  It explains the attitude of some hangers-on for sure, like Peggy Noonan and David Frum and such,  and maybe a few senators who have been in DC for too long. 

The easiest explanation is that the people who oppose him, who WORKED with him, think he is a bad candidate.

582 Newt is not a conservative. But he talks the lingo. He's a wet dream fantasy for duped conservatives.


Didn't Mitt just tell us that loss of our liberty is nothing to get angry about?

But he's electable, so we got that going for us.

583 Mss Marple,  I'll take bad over worse

584 Wrong definitions of "Establishment" going around, IMO. Establishment has nothing to do with whether you worked in D.C. one time or not. Most who are in the Establishment happen to live in D.C., but that is not what makes them Establishment. Gingrich is anti-establishment because the leaders of the Republican party in Congress and other places, rejected him. That's why he left, he went against what the elite of the party wanted. Romney, on the other hand, has been accepted by the Establishment despite never having worked in D.C. You see, it's more about ideology than location. Romney fits their view that it is important to not make too many waves, reach out to swing voters and moderate one's views. They are more socially liberal than their grassroots counterparts, and more accepting of the crony capitalism, back-rubbing and favors that exist at the top level. That's what they want to preserve, plus they misread (IMO) what the general population want and how best to articulate and persuade voters to conservatism. In fact, I would argue that the "Establishment" are not really interested in persuading voters to understand and accept conservatism. They are just interested in votes and they think looking as if they are not too extreme is the way to do it. This is the divide we are facing. Sarah Palin has always been on the outside (I'm not fan btw) because she doesn't go along with this stuff. Nikki Haley, on the other hand, clearly wants to move up the ranks so she is doing her part. Their doesn't necessarily need to be any conspiracy or direct coordination. Each person trying to advance their career intuitively knows what they need to do to get ahead. In the case of this election that means don't say anything bad about Mitt.

585 #606  I am aware of the theory.  And with a NORMAL democrat in the White House, or even a flawed one who still has political skills and a basic liking for the country and her people (like Clinton) then that theory would make some sense.

But Obama is not normal, and even some democrats understand this.  He is wrecking not only small business, but also almost every area of our society.  And as I said,  there is no value to GOP office holders having this guy remain in office.

Theories are theories.  This is the real world. 

586

Explain to me the logic of elitists Republicans wanting Obama to win. And "because Beck and Palin say so" is not an answer.

 

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Because politics has been co-opted, in both parties, by corrupt special interests.

 

And let me tell you, real independents do NOT like business as usual, next-in-line, 'self-financed' candidates the party pros are so enthralled by.

 

That is what they mean by wanting Obama to win - they want the gravy-train model to continue regardless of who's currently taking his turn as dealer.

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Not Drinking, you should start drinking. You'd make more sense.

Like Gingrich, you trade in half-truths. Everyone who watched the last debate knows that Mitt did not say Santorum should not get upset over loss of liberty. That's your lame distortion of what the Governor said. And that's all you've got.

But you're right about one thing. Romney, unlike pre-irradiated Gingrich, is most definitely electable.

Get a clue.

588

Obama won them on Hope and Change.

 

You cannot win them by blowing socialist dog whistles around Obama and being a generic Not-Obama.

 

Gingrich has a better shot than Romney will.

589

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at January 28, 2012 06:41 PM (HtUdo)

I'll explain it to you;  they are mistaken that Mitt will save them all.

Indeed, quite the opposite is the what they will get.

590 ___________

SarahW are you still thinking about how to call me out?  You issued some sort of vague challenge over a hundred comments ago.

Still got nothing?

591 Dave,

Flip-Flop Mitt Romney is a sooper-dooper businessman?  Well, so are Warren Buffett and George Soros.  Robert Rubin, too.   Let's scratch that Corzine feller, though.

592 _______________________

Hey SarahW and Entropy,

How about trying to use your powers of reason to explain your positions.

Stamping your little feetsies and holding your hands over your ears and chanting "I'm right. I'm right. I just no I'm right."  isn't very compelling.

593 Dave,  I'm calling you out again. 

*******

Mitt didn't mean it to leak out all over the place,  but his attempt to look unflappable is a little clue that he really does NOT think Ocare is worth getting angry over,  nor his history making it difficult to repeal

594 Shill

595 That's your lame distortion of what the Governor said. And that's all you've got.


Yeah, I forgot Mitt came out and said that Romneycare was a mistake and he should have never supported it. My bad.

596 _______________

mrp,

You really are delusional if you think that Romney and George Soros are politically similar.

Try again. Come on, you can do better.

597 And I NEVER call people out. btw.  A near first for me.

598

Get over him.

Drop him like a hot potato.

 

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OK!

 

Give me another alternative to Romney, or I just see opportunistic hypocritical politics.

 

I have been consistently Not-Romney, Anyone But Romney, since this primary started. He is simply unacceptable to too many people.

 

Compared to Santorum, I have to go with Gingrich, because time is almost too short as it is, and his road is too much longer still.

599
You see, Not Drinking But Should Start, there you go again. Once again lying about Romney. Why should anybody listen to what you say?

600 #615  It seems to me that your definition of"establishment" is  "anyone who doesn't agree with Newt or me."

I have watched Gingrich since 1996.  He is not as conservative as a lot of you seem to believe.

601 Entropy, this logic makes no sense (can't italicize due to format schizophrenia):
"I suspect some of them think Obama is unbeatable but they like the 5-10% coat-tail effect they think he'll carry in places like Michigan, which is seen as being aggressive and taking it to democrats on their turf."

I can't think of a soul who wants to see Obama succeed from the GOP "elite" talking heads on TV. Now, I watch FOX, so I may have missed something. I also don't know any political operatives. Do you? Is there a pact? Maybe there are backroom deals or conspiracy theories. Don't know. Will never know. Don't care.

I think I come close to being an "Independent" RINO-Lite Romneybot when I can tell you I voted McCain/Palin in 2008, Rick Scott and Marco Rubio in 2010, and am now voting for Mitt Romney.

The immature name-calling, by the way, the "RINO!!" and "elite establishment!" is so 2008 and silly, along with stomping feet, hair-on-fire, staying-home-in-pouty-panties as McCain won instead of whoever the hell you wanted in 2008 and are threatening to do the same again.

Another complete mystery to me is how many whining puff-powder girls stayed home even after McCain chose ultra-conservative Sarah Palin, as "that will teach the establishment!!" Eleventy! And THEN these same unhappy, whiny voters, who helped put Obama in office, became huge Palin supporters. Blind hypocrisy. You had your chance, then, to vote for Palin, and yet you stayed home (and I am talking to whoever did this, Entropy dear, not necessarily you).

The GOP needs to man up and vote the socialist out of office this November. That is the end game.What makes me so different that I could go from Perry to Romney...yet still would crawl over broken glass and acid to vote for Rubio? I think it is realism and the fact that many like me think Romney is our best bet against Obama, especially if he chose a conservative running mate to sweeten the deal.

The baggage hurled against Mitt Romney now: Romneycare, liberal MA Governor---which may attract Independents, by the way, and his religion. The same stuff from 2008, yet many are going to vote for him next week here in Florida. It has to be the NObama factor as well as the fact that Romney is who he is and does not pander to the Space Coast for moon missions, nor does he change his colors for Romneycare to sway voters.He appears to have no skeletons or ex-wives in his closet, as he has been running for this office for six years.

602 ______________

Yeah, SarahW, I think your ears don't work well. Romney never said that he wasn't serious about repealing Obamacare. Like the Drunk One, you have taken Mitt's quote that Santorum should calm down (he really should) and have simply decided that Romney is in love with Obamacare.

There's no evidence for that. You'd have to be delusional to think so. (Well, you are.)

Romney has made it clear that the Individual Mandate has no place at the FEDERAL level and that he will issue an executive order on day one as president to repeal it.

603 Mitt Romney and George Soros have more in common with each other than what I have in common with Mitt Romney.

604 #615 It seems to me that your definition of"establishment" is "anyone who doesn't agree with Newt or me." I have watched Gingrich since 1996. He is not as conservative as a lot of you seem to believe." He's not as conservative as I'd like either. But you fight with the army that you have. For people like me, Mitt is a nonstarter. The Establishment have been pretty good in the past of at least approving a candidate that the base can tolerate. But now we have Obamacare on the table, and the Establishment has decided to back Romneycare instead of someone else. Hello irreconcilable differences between the Base and the Elites! If Mitt gets the nom and then loses to Obama, look for a whole new political party in a few years. The Republican Party will be dead.

605

ChristyBlinky -

 

You are of no sort whatsoever "independant". You are a Republican.

 

Most independants voted for Obama in 2008, you went McCain. You know not what you think you do - the independants will not go for Romney when they get to know him.

 

They are independents. B.O. was insurgent. He was not Hillary, the political dynasty pick. He was (in his BS election posturing) shaking things up, big-time reform. Independents hate both parties and they will HATE your generic next-in-line Republican.

606 Romney has made it clear that the Individual Mandate has no place at the FEDERAL level and that he will issue an executive order on day one as president to repeal it.

But he supports at the STATE level. Or am I just lying again?

607 _____________

I don't agree with Romney and the State of Massachusetts on the decision to implement an individual mandate to make free riders pay up. But Romney is absolutely correct that individual States in the Union have the Constitutional right to make such laws - and that the FEDERAL Government does not.
And Romney has been consistent on this point.

Newt Gingrich on the other hand is the genuine flip-flop artist here. He's the one who has been in favor of a FEDERAL Individual Mandate - for more than twenty years! But lately - strictly as a matter of political convenience - Newt has once again flip-flopped. As he has on many issues.

608 #635  Well,  that certainly says something about you,  doesn't it? 

I actually don't have very much in common with Mitt either, other than wanting to get the country back on the right track,  loving my grandchildren and wanting the best for them, and believing we need to get Obama out of office.

However,  I have even LESS in common with Newt.  For example,  I am married to my husband for over 30 years, and believe in the old Perot maxim about not being able to trust someone who cannot be trusted by his wife.  Also,  I never believed in global warming.  And I never got on TV and attacked Republican office holders just for publicity.

609 Wow, I feel 100% simpatico with Entropy's ideological self-description @580.

Nevertheless, his prudential calculations lead him to support Newt at this time; my prudential calculations lead me to support Romney at this time.

I think we're both reasoning & arguing & advocating in good faith.

I just wish the Newtistas here were willing to extend that acknowledgment of good faith to those they disparage as so-called "Mittbots". It seems to me most of the high-handed self-righteous sanctimony around here isn't spouted on behalf of Romney, but against Romney-- or worse, not against Romney (which is fair enough), but his supporters (or anyone who dares defend Romney or criticize Newt).

For what it's worth, my fantasy candidates never got into the race (e.g. Paul Ryan); during the primaries I first favored Pawlenty (until he prematurely dropped out, the pussy), then Perry (until he went all-in on the Newt-led "vulture capitalism" Bain attack, which to me is unforgivable). Now, all things considered, I see Romney as the least terrible choice. Of the present candidates, I see Romney as our best chance (IMO only, others might disagree) to beat Obama.

But it's not just about electability; I actually think Romney would make a better POTUS than Newt, who's way too mercurial & megalomaniacal & ideologically erratic for me. I just don't feel safe with him at the helm-- he's too much of a wild card, and right now there's just too much at stake, on too many fronts. Give me the moderate cold-blooded businessman over the self-infatuated pandering super-orator with a martyr complex (willing to spout anti-capitalist class-warfare OWS rhetoric in an election year Obama is setting up precisely on class-warfare OWS terms; whining about a vast right-wingÂ… I mean, "GOP establishment" conspiracy against him whenever his primary momentum hits a speed-bump).

I'm not being brainwashed by "the establishment" or anyone else. I'm not an MSM-watcher; my favorite blogs (e.g. AOSHQ) are pretty much anti-Romney. Even Instapundit shows a weakness for Newt. I'm going with my brain & my guts: I think & feel Newt would be a *disastrous* candidate, obviously unelectable, clearly repellent to independents; I'm perplexed that people I consider perspicacious don't see that. You disagree, that's fine. But I don't go around denigrating & insulting "Newtbots" for their present prudential preferences; whereas every thread is filled with sanctimonious denunciations of mine-- a "Romneybot" brainwashed by "the establishment" and "good hair". This is not an easy choice for anyone. Ultimately, we're on the same side, I think. ABO.

Now, those who value taking revenge on "the establishment" (whoever/ whatever they take that to be) over preventing a second Obama term... I don't get that, at all. I think that's insane.

610 mrp, what do you have in common with Gingrich? Is he not wealthy? Did he or didn't he make over a million from Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae?

611 617 Explain to me the logic of elitists Republicans wanting Obama to win. And "because Beck and Palin say so" is not an answer." I'll answer that. I think the elites believe that Obama is likely to be reelected, no matter who is on the ticket. I think they have very little faith in the power of persuading the American people, and frankly, I think they are too lazy to want to persuade Americans that conservatism is the best way to go. Since they think Obama has a likely second term, they want to mitigate their losses as best they can. They think Mitt will do most to help win the Senate and keep the house. Then they can be set up in 2016 for the candidate they really want, Jeb Bush.

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Actually, Not Drinking, it's sounds like you've finally stopped drinking - and lying thank goodness.

You are correct that Romney supports the Individual Mandate at the State level. And I agree with you that it's a bad idea. But it is not an unconstitutional idea. States have this right, and citizens of a State who don't like the State's laws can vote with their feet and leave.

As Mitt Romney has repeatedly and EMPHATICALLY pointed out, as a matter of the Tenth Amendment the Federal Government does not have a right to impose an Individual Mandate on the American citizens.

Lesson complete.

613 #643 Using your logic (which is defeatist in the extreme) then it would make just as much sense for them to let Newt be the nominee in order,  once and for all,  to teach the Tea party people a lesson.

614 For example, I am married to my husband for over 30 years, and believe in the old Perot maxim about not being able to trust someone who cannot be trusted by his wife

Yawn.  Ronald Reagan.  Yawn

615

Romney has made it clear that the Individual Mandate has no place at the
FEDERAL level and that he will issue an executive order on day one as
president to repeal it.

But he supports at the STATE level. Or am I just lying again?

 

I suspect you are lying yes. Repeating a lie, at any rate for whatever reason which I do not know.

 

I do not think he can actually do that. I do not think that is possible or feasible for repeal. I think that is moonbases, dude.

 

Moonbases.

616

I'd rather have my candidate lie to me about moon bases he probably won't attempt, than heallth care changes.

617 637 ChristyBlinky -
You are of no sort whatsoever "independant". You are a Republican.

Dang straight, I am, registered and everything. Got tickets to see W Bush live, have voted GOP since I was old enough to vote. That is why I am allowed to vote in the GOP primary in Florida. However, I am an "independent-minded" Republican who is a realist. This is why it ticks me off that the GOP, conservatives, RINO-Lites, and hobbits can't see that the end-freaking-game is to send Obama back to Chicago and end the Democrat majority in Congress. I guess this makes me also "Alinsky-light" as, "whatever means, baby." It will be one of my hallmark days in life if Obama is defeated, and I pray for this daily. Guess what, no king of conservatives emerged. I will vote ABO 2012.

There is no way imaginable I can see Independents voting Gingrich. None. I want some of what you are smoking, even though I don't smoke.

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Mrp, it is right that you yawn. - For you are boring and witless.

619 Damn, I keep forgetting the symbol "and" doesn't show up in the comments here. So all my comments are asyndeton-ic.

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Entropy,

Your last post was unclear. Are you claiming that Romney has come out in favor of a FEDERAL Individual Mandate?

We all know that Newt Gingrich has been in favor of a FEDERAL Individual Mandate for more than twenty years.

What is your claim about Romney, please?

621 Lesson complete.

Yes. I just learned that someone who believes in the Individual Mandate will be President on 20 Jan 2013.

622 I was a big Newt Gingrich fan in '94.  His decision to nationalize the '94 mid-term elections was brilliant.  The "Contract With America" was a stupendous success.  Overthrowing the Bob Michel go-along-to-get-along GOP House leadership was an essential step on the road to a House majority for the Republicans.

I'm not a Gingrich '12 booster.  Romney is a disaster.

623

As Mitt Romney has repeatedly and EMPHATICALLY pointed out, as a matter of the Tenth Amendment the Federal Government does not have a right to impose an Individual Mandate on the American citizens.

 

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Please, be fucking honest. I will not cave to persistent messaging blitz.

 

Mitt Romney promised the people of mass repeatedly and EMPHATICALLY that he would protect a woman's right to choose, until he didn't. Now he's suppose to be staunch pro-life.

 

The only other context I have ever heard Mitt Romney invoke Federalism was clumsy as hell and looked amateur - when he tried to go all federalism on the subject of MILITARY VETERANS BENEFITS as a state issue. That makes him the Ron Paul of Federalism. FFS shut up and stop associating it with your Pirates of the Carribean foreign policy. People are confused enough, I don't think federalism can survive that kind of 'help'.

624 645 #643 Using your logic (which is defeatist in the extreme) then it would make just as much sense for them to let Newt be the nominee in order, once and for all, to teach the Tea party people a lesson." I think you make a good point. But we're dealing with human emotions here which are never, ever logical. I'm trying to understand this whole thing as well as anybody based on what I see and hear others say. I think it very likely that the elites genuinely hate Newt. Just as many now hate Romney. I think what all these emotions boil down to is fear. For the elites, based on how they see the world, Newt is more likely to tip over the boat and cause disaster. For us on the Newt team, we see the potential disaster in Mitt. Go figure. The elites (and many others for that matter) do drop hints here and there that they don't think Obama can be defeated. Yes, it is defeatist. Exactly my point! I happen to think Obama is completely beatable, but our own fear is causing us to be stupid and ruin our chances. I'm hoping at this point that if Newt loses that Donald Trump steps in to save the day. Because I do not want Mitt anywhere near the presidency. I guess I will learn to live with it if it happens, but until then I will do all I can to stop it. Yes, I think Obamacare is that bad. There are other reasons I don't want Mitt, but that one reason trumps all others and is reason enough to fight on. IMO.

625 Mrp, it is right that you yawn. - For you are boring and witless.

I win! I win!

626 _________________________

Not Drinking, put down the bottle this instant!

You've gone back to half-truths, sir.

You left out the FEDERAL part.

If you're going to take the lesson, at least _try_ to get it right.

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Yep, you're winning like Charlie Sheen there, mrp.

Keep yawning, loser.

628 John McCain swears that he gets it now and no amnesty until the border is secure.  Who believes him?

629 Well, if it's only for an extended vacation, I wouldn't mind losing like Charlie Sheen.

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Entropy,

Okaaaaaay. So NOW your complaint is that Romney converted to being pro-life. - Like Ronald Reagan did. Hmmmmmm. I think you should change your name to Mental Distrophy.

And you failed to take a stand on whether you're claiming that Romney has come out in favor of a FEDERAL Individual Mandate - the way that Newt Gingrich has.

Now there's a very good reason why you have failed to take a stand on that issue. It's because you would look like a fool if you tried.
The facts are not on your side.

Give it up.

631 "The whole thing is farce from top to bottom. Gingrich as a Washington outsider? Get real." -------------------------------------------- Like it or not, for good or for bad, right now, at this moment in time Gingrich is the outsider. The establishment doesn't want him.

632
mrp,

I have to admit, your last post was pretty damn funny.

633

Rick Perry's whole thing was Federalism and Romneybots tore his credibility to fucking bits with alinskyite attacks Mediscaring illegal grandmas.

 

"Politics ain't bean bag", is what we were told.

 

Let's not blaim the victim. The Tea Party didn't start this and Newt Gingrich didn't start this. Everything has gotten so bad now the whole 'character' and 'record' argument is a wash. Rick Santorum and Ron Paul - neither of whom I considered paragons of virtue - are the only guys in the race with any integrity at all, and now that the race is serious, they are both struggling around 10% to stay in double digits.

634 __________

Well folks it's been fun. But there is a poker game full of money I have to go win.

Happy Saturday Night.

635 One more thing, Entropy, then I must return to my real life.

Have you ever worked in healthcare? In one of the busiest ED's in the country? What is YOUR answer to illegal immigrants closing hospitals and using emergency departments as their primary care? Romneycare did not fix this issue, and he needs to admit this point, but that is where it originated.And, as I have said and will stand by it, at the time Romneycare was signed into law, many of us in the depths of the belly of healthcare, seeing the mess created due to EMTALA Law (signed by President Reagan, by the way, who had no idea the hell it would create),we thought he had a good idea----at the time. Unfortunately the Dems in Congress added crap to the original bill that he vetoed but was defeated as the Dems run MA.

Romney also says he will REPEAL Obamacare if elected.He says this repeatedly. They are two completely different bills, but both morphed to oblivion by Democrats in Congress to provide "free" healthcare, which does not exist. And, no I do not want the individual mandate or fines,I believe in opt outs and co-pays, and I want to keep my expensive employer-owned healthcare. I also want illegals to be forced to pay (or their country to pay, as these illegals somehow pay their remittances) something towards the total; and I want the first thing, after repealing Obamacare, for Romney to go after Medicaid and Medicare fraud (see: James O'Keefe youtubes that Ace has provided in the past).

Romney needs to clarify the differences of his original bill vs the horrific Obamacare today, and people need to research and compare the two bills.

636

Okaaaaaay. So NOW your complaint is that Romney converted to being pro-life

 

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Dude. That is not discussing. That is nagging. I will not marry Romneybot 3000 with new and improved message discipline. I want them OUT OUT OUT of my life.

 

You complain you don't get it? You certainly won't if you don't start paying attention to people and stop nuking strawmen from orbit.

637 From today's American Thinker: While it is true Republicans control only one chamber of one branch of the federal government, the change the American people sent them to Washington to effect has not happened. The frustration that led Tea Partiers to demonstrate in public squares and dominate town halls around the country has not been alleviated. The debt limit battle was lost, the economy continues to stagnate, and the GOP establishment is once again pushing a candidate that fails to inspire hope that he can actually make real change happen in Washington. Unlike many of the Occupy Wall Street movement protestors, the Tea Party conservatives had businesses to run, and jobs to return to, but the frustration and anger they felt is still very real. They are tired of sending people to Washington, Republicans claiming to be the party of fiscal responsibility, only to see things continue to get worse. Romney lost big in South Carolina against split opposition support. However, Mitt shouldn't take it personally. The "Anybody but Romney" vote, could well be renamed the "Anybody but What We've Already Tried" vote. The Republican voters have already tried the next-in-line, safe, establishment candidate, and lost--to Obama no less. As heroic as they have been in wars past, there are no more perfect examples of this kind of unexciting candidate as John McCain and Bob Dole, both of whom have now publicly endorsed Romney. If they had a real understanding of why Newt surged, and why their preferred candidate has failed to connect with voters, they would have kept McCain and Dole as far from cameras and microphones as possible. To many, Romney is the best Republicans have in their current field of candidates, but to openly associate him with the same tired, uninspiring cast of characters of elections past is more than just bad political strategy. The tone-deafness of the Republican establishment could not be more astounding. The voters want someone who understands their frustration, anger, and concern for the future of the country. They are tired of candidates too timid to say it like it is, candidates so afraid to offend the smallest of minorities with uncomfortable truths they instead exasperate the majority through monotonous political-speak, media-safe answers, and unfulfilled promises."

638 146 If I could go back in time to tell Palin anything, I would tell her to not resign as governor. If she was serious about being a political figure, she would have stuck it out. That would have given her much more credibility to people like me. I'm not saying her motives were unserious, but it certainly was a mistake, and a politically fatal one at that.<<< Oh, absolutely. And if she loses the house, the car, the kids' college funds (LOLZ! Like chillbillies go to college!), so what? She can live in the governor's mansion, right? Stupid unserious bimbo chillbilly. Snork.

639 #646  1.  Reagan was married to Nancy for over 30 years.

           2. Do not lump him in with Newt regarding marriage.  Jane Wyman left Reagan; he did not cheat on her.

640

What is YOUR answer to illegal immigrants closing hospitals and using emergency departments as their primary care?

 

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If it's not really life-threatening, throw their ass out and tell them to buy themselves a doctor. That would cut 90%.

 

Illegals are not what is crashing health care anyway, nationally. They ARE, THEY ARE, in certain specific localities in this nation, crushing hospitals and ruining them in terms of finances. But not everywhere else,  it's not illegals driving up costs and bankrupting medicare. It's lots of things.

 

Which they WOULD be able to do - get a cheap doctor - if not for the ridiculous regulations of the health industry, that have mandated this and that cost be socialized and sent the price of everything through the fucking roof.

 

If the doctors and the hospital are too charitable and compassionate to turn them away - I admire that. Then I guess it's all pro-bono, because they ain't getting paid.

 

But the government can't come along and ban the clinic that DOESN'T build self-righteous charity into their costs just because the bleeding hearts consistently bankrupt themselves in a free economy.

641 #656  Okay,  so Donald Trump,  who is pro- abortion, on his 3rd wife,  and voted for Obama and Clinton is your choice over Mitt?

That's some serious Romney-hate you've got going there.

642 Mitt Romney thinks giving the government the power to punish citizens because the citizens decide not to purchase something is a good thing. The problem with healthcare is not freeloaders. The problem is government interference in the market. Mitt Romney thinks the way to fix a problem that is caused by the government is to give the government more power, to get it even more involved. His thinking is exactly backwards from what the USA desperately needs. He loves freedom when it lets him make money, but not so much when it lets people use their own money as they see fit. He wants to fix problems by doing more of the things that created those problems in the first place. He is exactly the worst thing the GOP can offer: a Liberal pretending to be a Moderate pretending to be a Conservative.

643 No mandate (anywhere in US ever) and no federal VAT -  it's just that simple, and just that easy, for Mitt to consolidate support for himself.   He won't of course, because he is not only not angry about those things,  he is not only fine with those things,  he WANTS those things.

644

"Rather than reject Alinsky's rules for radicals, the Tea Party has adopted many of them in the spirit of fighting fire with fire. Tea Party leader Michael Patrick Leahy wrote a book about it called "Rules for Conservative Radicals," which encouraged conservatives to "follow the tactics of Saul Alinsky, but apply the morals and ethics of Martin Luther King.""

Christ almight, consdervative "thinkers" and "leaders" are booger-eating morons.  The morals and ethics of MLK? The father? What did he ever do? If the son (the famous one) we're supposed to cheat on our wives and plagarize stuff?

645 " So it's surprising to me to see Palin complaining about Alinsky tactics now. " Isn't she objecting to the incompetent misuse of those style tactics being used against fellow Republicans when the Republicans are still in post 2008 recovery mode, trying to get the senate and the presidency away from democrats? Does her objection to this really surprise you ? Why? Are these tactics even being used against democrats or leftwing media right now? And weren't these kinds of tactics actually already being used against Palin when she was running for VP, when she left the governor's seat in Alaska, and against multiple tea party candidates BY republicans in support of democrat talking points? Weren't they used against GW Bush when he was still in office by his own party trying to "cross the aisle" ? They were even used against newt when he was under ethics investigation in the House. Yes, by his own party. Have you ever heard of David Brock's 'Whitewater revelation' crap from the American Spectator during the Clainton era? That was a republican (at the time) using Alinskyite tactics. Ann Coulter built a career on using them! To a lesser extent do did Michelle Malkin. So did Rush Limbaugh. Richard Nixon used them to get elected. 'Palin has no right to complain about Alinskite tactics and opened a can of worms by suggesting republicans use them' This is probably the single stupidest fucking 'observation' I have ever seen attempted on this blog. Is this supposed to be an object lesson in political morality for Republicans when this has been going on at the very least, since I could vote? Alinskyite tactics are much like a gun. They don't fire themselves or pick their own targets. The wielder should use them when they are deemed necessary and deploy in a way that maximizes strategic benefit. Does the war on Newt really meet that standard do you think? Dumping all fire on Newt and not other democrats is nothing but absolute stupidity. Newt doing the same on Romney and not on Democrats is absolutely stupid. Trying to somehow blame all of this on Palin for taking part in recommending the opening a pandora's box of unreason is beyond merely stupid. It is surreal.

646 Just heard on the abc radio news that Brokaw asked the Romney campaign to stop airing an ad using his broadcast about Gingrich being disciplined.   ABC news guy said the campaign said no.  Now didn't they also tell gingrich they wouldn't or couldn't talk to their pac and ask that they pull an ad.  And then the pac guy was interviewed and said no.  If memory serves me both the ads were not only mean spirited but misleading.

If you know the story and see the ad then you know their campaign is being dishonest.  What are they gaining by doing that except to make people think that the republicans are just as bad as the dems.  This isn't a positive thing as it will impact the campaign of whoever wins the nomination.  If it's romney he'll have to deal with it but if it's someone else, someone who doesn't trade of falsehoods, then they are stuck dealing with the impression left by "republicans" like romney about the republicans.   Can you hear the president "you may not like the way I've strong armed everyone and at times told a fib here or there but look the republicans are doing it too".

647

SarahW - 6 months ago that would have saved him. As simple as that - tell me sweet little lies and we could have avoided this.

 

Now, I think it is too late. Now that the nomination is in jeopardy and we've seen that he will go to ANY length to secure it, I can't see how anyone would believe him.

 

I always said he would spark a GOP civil war, for months and months. People accused me - romneybots - of not being a real republican and being an independent! LOFL. What would I know about the GOP I clearly don't really like???

 

Well I kind of AM and independent. I've never ever registered Republican in my life, but I do sometimes vote Republican, and sometimes 3rd party, and often not vote. And no, I'm not in love with the GOP. And I told you so.

 

How they can be so obtuse and still not see a problem here I cannot fathom. Electability is a sham marketing campaign. Houston we have a Big. Fuckin'. Problem.

648 Haven't read all the comments. But I think "Stalin-esque" is just as ridiculous. Jesus, what's left, calling Mitt supporters Nazis.

649 How is it Romney could be Limbaugh's, Levin's, and other hard-core conservatives' 2008 primary choice, but now he's OMG untouchable! Unacceptable! We must go kamikaze with Newt instead! Off with The Establishment's head!

Yes, I know pre- and post- Obamacare is a relevant difference. Romneycare is a liability (but, unlike many of you, I don't think it's a fatal one: federalism, states' rights, is where it's at for me). But taken as a whole, Romney was obviously an acceptable, even preferable choice to many conservatives in 2008-- in a field that was arguably much stronger than this one. But now it's OMG conservative blasphemy to consider him, pragmatically, the best of our options at this time?

I just don't get the Romney Derangement.

650

Alinskyite tactics are much like a gun. They don't fire themselves or pick their own targets. The wielder should use them when they are deemed necessary and deploy in a way that maximizes strategic benefit.

Does the war on Newt really meet that standard do you think?

Dumping all fire on Newt and not other democrats is nothing but absolute stupidity. Newt doing the same on Romney and not on Democrats is absolutely stupid.

Trying to somehow blame all of this on Palin for taking part in recommending the opening a pandora's box of unreason is beyond merely stupid. It is surreal.

 

Mega dittos.

651 #681 Entropy,  you are not a registered Republican,  and only sometimes vote GOP, sometimes voting 3rd party, and sometimes not voting.

So,  you aren't really a Republican.

And you have been on here for months talking up a GOP civil war.

Well,  thanks so much for the information.

652 lael, because their other option was supporting McCain.

653 Mitt Romney is the Victor Victoria of politics.

654 The new definition of establishment, lobstermen from New Hampshire, Cuban-American grocers, and politicians like Luis Fortuna and Pam Bondi.

655

How is it Romney could be Limbaugh's, Levin's, and other hard-core conservatives' 2008 primary choice, but now he's OMG untouchable! Unacceptable! We must go kamikaze with Newt instead! Off with The Establishment's head!

 

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You will NEVER get it if you don't listen.

 

You have been told 2000 times. So this looks to many of us like you're just trying to browbeat us into line on the message.

 

Nobody knew this crap about Romney really. We didn't endorse him as a first choice, we defaulted to him out of desperation to avoid the Squish-We-Knew. McCain.

 

Now you're doing it all over again.

656 #686 Don't forget the evil John Bolton and Jon Voight.

657 "lael, because their other option was supporting McCain."

Yes, you're right: they had to make the best of un-ideal (to put it lightly) choices.

Today, facing the prospect of a second Obama term, my other option is supporting Newt Gingrich. Well, that's why I'm supporting Romney.

658

So, you aren't really a Republican.

 

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I've never really lied. I routinely call myself a libertarian. Routinely. All the time. For months and months and years frankly I've been doing this. There was a time I identified as a Republican and used that label, but I still didn't register as such.

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And you have been on here for months talking up a GOP civil war.

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And I have been demonstrated correct, I know the GOP's base better than the GOP establishment does. I am a pseudonymonous douchebag writing comments on someone else's broken 2-bit internet blog. Don't act like I instigated South Carolina or something, or that I control Sarah Palin's strings. Let's not go all Ron Paul conspiracy mongering ok? I thought that kind of stuff OFFENDED you hypocrits.

659 688 #686 Don't forget the evil John Bolton and Jon Voight.

Because we all heard Entropy say that anyone that supported Romney was evil.

660

Because we all heard Entropy say that anyone that supported Romney was evil.

 

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Some dude on the internet is hyperbolic and melodramatic and possibly, maybe, wrong.

 

Holy shit. What a winning argument for Romney.

 

Vote Romney, cuz entropy SUCKS DIX!

 

90% of everyone: Who?!?!?

Engineers and scientists : OMGWTF?!?!?!?!?

661 Over at Business Insider Joe is taking a shot at Jimmy P and Reagan, I'm sure Monty will have a lot to say about this when next he posts "Doom" but for now, here's the title, scroll down a bit, it's the first item under "what's happening":   "Why The Obama Recovery Has Been Much More Impressive Than Reagan's"

662 Can Mitt name any New Deal laws or programs he doesn't like? How about LBJ's Great Society stuff? Anything there that makes Mitt frown? Carter? Bubba?

663 How come you guys can't recognize Entropy's brilliance. It's so obvious but your obtuseness prevents it. Better question. If Entropy's and Gingrich's brilliance were to to cross streams would it create a dark hole that would swallow the earth.

664

Why am I the wrong sort of independent?

 

Kind of like Ron Paul is wrong sort, too, except I have never written racist dog whistle newsletters or associated myself with stormfront nazis and I assure you that fire does melt steel. Hayek's fundemental "knowledge problem" indicts conspiracy theories as much as it does Keynesian macro-economics. If the organization gets too big, the left hand will most likely not be aware there even is a right hand, and if it becomes aware, will probably attack it as a threat.

 

As far as racism goes, it's just preposterous if you know anything I stand for.

 

All the romneybots are so hot and bothered to chase independents but all the independants they chase are fucking unregistered democrats.

665 SAVE US, PAUL RYAN!!!!

666 I just want to say that a couple Romney-deranged people made me go to MR's website today (twice!) for the first time, and do some  more investigation.  When I see crazy stories that don't make sense, I check them out.  Thanks to those MR-deranged people, I know a little more than I did and I'm now a little more inclined to pull the lever for Romney when we have our irrelevant primary in Alabama. 

Also the "Gingrich as outsider" thing really is absurd, and so dishonest as to be repellent.  Come on y'all, there are a lot of good things to say about Newt.  That isn't one of them.  Quit discrediting the man with ridiculous bullshit.

667 Entropy, like I said, I think I'm very close to you ideologically-- somewhere on the GOP/ independent borderline.

You want people to address you and your arguments as you/ they are, not going by misleading labels & stereotypes. And yet, you're the one making facile generalizations and thundering denunciations about what "all the romneybots" think and feel and do. We (if I'm to be considered a "romneybot" now, after being a pawlentybot and perrybot) are as individual and particular as you are.

If, at the present moment, some of us here happen to support Romney (not absolutely, but pragmatically and relatively, i.e. over the other candidates at the present time) we have different individual and particular reasons to do so. IMO ad hominems like "romneybot" and simplistic dichotomies like who's pro and anti- "establishment" don't illuminate much of anything.

668

You want people to address you and your arguments as you/ they are, not going by misleading labels stereotypes.

 

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You know what? It doesn't really matter to me either way.

 

On the one hand, Romney becomes slightly more palatable, even though I still believe him to be poison. On the other hand, keep on keeping on, and that gives us the best chance we have to stop this crazy Romney bullshit that is making Gingrich viable.

669 Oh, Entropy, you are so off base on healthcare...

It is Federal Law not to turn away anyone from emergency care treatment. Look up EMTALA Law which President Reagan signed. You cannot turn anyone away and you cannot patient dump to another hospital (emergency depts, if full, can divert ambulances to another hospital. Michelle Obama's Chicago hospital dumped patients, but that is largely ignored). This is not bleeding heart anything, it is law and a good one. Some federal funds reimburse, but it is not enough.Trust me, I'd be the first to turn away those with a hangnail, but this law won't go away in our lifetimes, so bang that drum all you want.

Romneycare was created to relieve the burden of "free" healthcare in emergency departments. States estimate a million in hospital costs in this country for illegal hospital care---a million or more from each state, which is staggering; in California alone it is in the billions. That was the original intent of Romneycare, to relieve ED costs. The law currently makes some in MA happy, but does not cover the illegal issue as it has not reduced ED visits.Problem is, the illegals who don't pay for anything in this country. You are flat wrong that illegals have not impacted the cost of healthcare. Research it. Here is a quote: "In 2003, the American Southwest saw 77 hospitals enter bankruptcy due to unpaid medical bills incurred by illegal aliens. A staggering 84 hospitals in California have been forced to close their doors because of the growing crisis. Hospitals which manage to remain open, then pass the unpaid costs onto the rest of us, which translates into more out-of-pocket expenses and higher insurance premiums for all Americans." This reduces competition, eliminates jobs for healthcare workers, and drives up insurance and taxes.

Obamacare, on the other hand, was created to allow everyone free healthcare all of the time and to increase Medicaid rolls for "free" healthcare (I have read that Medicaid enrollment will increase by 20 million with Obamacare). Unfortunately there are no unicorns or free anything, but Obama continues to fart his rainbows, which will soon spread further into the housing market. THIS is the difference between Romneycare and Obamacare, or the original intent. Unfortunately, the bill, thanks to MA Democrats, has evolved since passed and morphed into more of a mess. However, MA seems happy with it, as even Gov. Barbour of MS admits, while stating the same bill would not work for MS or other states.

Romney is correct, the MA law was not built around a socialist policy as Obamacare is. There is a difference.

The problem with Medicaid is that it does not pay doctors squat, so there are not enough primary care doctors to see patients. This is in addition to rampant fraud (see: James O'Keefe's findings on the subject of Medicaid fraud). Don't go all "doctors make enough money, blah, blah" as they also carry huge malpractice insurance premiums, have to pay staff, and money to rent an office, etc. Doctors are having to cut back on patients as Obamacare is paying them less per patient for Medicare. It has always been difficult to find Medicaid patient care. I know this, as I lived it as a nurse finding follow-up care for indigents. Doctors at funded hospitals have to rotate call for emergency patients for follow-up services (if you come in with a bleeding ulcer, you follow-up with a GI doc, whether you are insured or indigent or illegal). There are, in this county, clinics to cover the indigent  or low-income for follow-up care. This was already in place before Obama decided it was not enough. All children had healthcare available through Medicaid if indigent. States have their own healthcare in place for children with chronic needs or low income where parents pay a co-pay. It was a complete lie of Obama's to state, in the 2008 campaign, that American children don't get their tonsils out or don't get their asthma inhalers (or, in Obama's made up crap: breathalyzers).

The two top reasons for our healthcare problems are lawyers who sue doctors for bogus medical malpractice claims and illegal immigrants who pay nothing. In this mix is fraud. Congress needs to fix these problems before anything else.

670 A site called "newsmax" is reporting that Herman Cain endorsed Newt Gingrich.  Anyone know anything about this?

671 At least those of us that might be leaning towards Gingrich admit that he's a shit sandwich. These 800 word defenses of the crap sandwich that is Mitt Romney are surreal. The defenses of Romneycare are even more pathetic. Obamacare will be end of the Republic as we know it.

672 Using Alinski tactics against the left is fine. Using them in a manner that damages conservatives and republicans is bad. Obama and the left do not engage in Alinski civil wars, they direct their fire at their actual target. We need to do the same with returning fire.

673

Bring me some SP...I'll take mine rare!

674

Romney is correct, the MA law was not built around a socialist policy as Obamacare is. There is a difference.

 

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No no no no no no no no no no. I will not be sanguine about Masscare, I will not pretend it is conservative, not with a fox, not in a box, not on a train, not in a plane, and not with green eggs and ham. No.

 

This is totally unacceptable. We cannot not have a party in this country to oppose this BS or this country will not last for long.

675

It is Federal Law not to turn away anyone from emergency care treatment.

 

Hello????

676

Why are we so determined to drive out the private charity free clinics, when our borderless doctors are flying off to Burma and Haiti just to find a charity case?

 

So we pass a law mandating that the fucking emergency room can't do triage because the dumbass doctors might screw up with out Federal regulation. You must treat everyone, even if they came into the ER with a sore throat or a broken foot - those are not emergencies.

 

But it's a "good law" because we feel good about ourselves for legislating unicorns and rainbows, and in order to make it work and deal with the unintended consequences, we have to repeal the laws of economics and socialize half the economy?

677

I'll tell you why.

 

Free clinics are low-end.

 

Everyone has to get the SAME healthcare. Or else, there's inequality. So we must all have government healthcare, which will be worse than the worst of options the free market provided.

678 1960's racism yo.

679 I know this thread is dying at this point, but just to touch on something:

"How is it Romney could be Limbaugh's, Levin's, and other hard-core conservatives' 2008 primary choice, but now he's OMG untouchable! Unacceptable! We must go kamikaze with Newt instead! Off with The Establishment's head!

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You will NEVER get it if you don't listen.

You have been told 2000 times. So this looks to many of us like you're just trying to browbeat us into line on the message.

Nobody knew this crap about Romney really. We didn't endorse him as a first choice, we defaulted to him out of desperation to avoid the Squish-We-Knew. McCain."


As far as the didn't know this crap...yeah they did...**if** they did the most basic amount of research (which might very well not have been the case, but then their judgment is as trustworthy right now as it was back then).  I remember checking on the guy four years ago and all the flip-flops we discuss right now were completely listed on his freakin' Wikipedia page.

The best case you could make is that Obamacare hadn't passed, so his position on healthcare wasn't that big of a deal, but there was no excuse for not knowing about his flip flops.  The most realistic explanation is that they hated McCain so much they let their feelings about the man blind them.  Whatever else you might think of McCain and no matter how much he goes out of his way to piss off other Republicans, there are major conservative positions that he has been consistent on.  If you looked at Romney in 2008 and looked at McCain in 2008 and picked Romney as the conservative alternative to stop McCain, you exhibited bad judgment.

680 I just heard that Rick Santorum cancelled his appearance on I think Meet the Press and something else cause his daughter  bella, the one who I think is around 3 years old, is in Children's Hospital Philadelphia. 

681 An utterly sophomoric post.

682 Voici mon secret. Il est très simple: on ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux.

Here is my secret. It is very simple. It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; What is essential is invisible to the eye. ~ The Little Prince

683 @710, Entropy, President Reagan passed the law in 1986, probably, judging  from your emotional sputtering, before you were born. Perhaps you should research healthcare law when you are not dividing Republicans.

There is triage in place and always has been, should you bother to ask, but my nurses. There is something called "minor" care and some hospitals have, on their campus, clinics to serve the non-emergent who still are provided treatment. You still get the same care, whether insured or not. There, I am done attempting to explain in the simplest of terms so you might have some understanding of how complex healthcare law is. There is no easy answer.

684

If you looked at Romney in 2008 and looked at McCain in 2008 and picked Romney as the conservative alternative to stop McCain, you exhibited bad judgment.

 

The problem is this 'picked' business. To the extent figures like Limbaugh and Levine rallied to Romney it was because he is what was left.

 

Limbaugh was pulling for Thompson. Thompson dropped out before most of us got to vote, and Guiliani followed. It came down to McCain, Huckabee, Romney or Paul. Sound familiar?

 

I supported Thompson in '08 and Perry this time around. I 'picked' Romney as the alternative to McCain like I 'picked' Gingrich as the alternative to Romney.

 

Trust me, this guy was not my first pick.

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Christyblinky, you are so past any point of return I don't know what to say you.

 

Definetly a romneybot.

686 Nobody knew this crap about Romney really.

WHAT? I sure as hell knew. I didn't support Romney in 2008. I guess all of you people screeching back then about McCain being the antichrist were full of shit and didn't know what the hell you were talking about, just as I suspected back then.

Kinda makes me discount what y'all have to say now, too. Actually, it's not even "kinda," since I pretty much only see bullshit from most people, including the talk radio loudmouths, about ALL the candidates these days.  I do my own research.  So should y'all.

687 If you looked at Romney in 2008 and looked at McCain in 2008 and picked Romney as the conservative alternative to stop McCain, you exhibited bad judgment.

THIS.

688 *excuse my missing italics for quoted text, New Comments Thingy sucks and I'm too lazy to be bothered with it

689 >>>>Also the "Gingrich as outsider" thing really is absurd, and so dishonest as to be repellent. Come on y'all, there are a lot of good things to say about Newt. That isn't one of them. Quit discrediting the man with ridiculous bullshit.<<<<<<

Tip for Romney and the Mittens...if you don't want your opponent perceived as the anti establishment alternative to you, then don't drag out Bob "Bob Dole" Dole to endorse you and denounce the other guy. Perception people.

Romney may not have been more conservative than McCain in 2008 but he hadn't spent 8 years kicking W in the nuts from the left either. It's that perception thing again.

690 "The problem is this 'picked' business. To the extent figures like Limbaugh and Levine rallied to Romney it was because he is what was left."

I understand that.  I don't think the case for Romney was that strong even with him being the guy left vs. McCain, though.  I really am not saying this as a defense of Romney (though I have wound up siding with him over Gingrich, the support is grudging.  Romney sucks).  It's just this "we didn't know!" argument I don't like, especially in connection with somebody like Limbaugh and Levin.  They don't lack for brains.  This is like Hillary Clinton claiming she was fooled with Iraq War even though she was on the Intelligence Committee.  Please.  I'm a random political junkie.  I knew about the guy.  The video of Romney taking leftist positions in his debate vs. Ted Kennedy in 1994?  That was posted on Youtube 5 years ago.  His flip flops?  They were on Wikipedia.  There was no excuse for any pundits who follow this stuff as part of their job not knowing.

691 "Romney may not have been more conservative than McCain in 2008 but he hadn't spent 8 years kicking W in the nuts from the left either. It's that perception thing again."

Bush was much better than Kerry and Gore.  He was a good man.  God love the guy, though, there some things he deserved to be kicked in the nuts on.  McCain was saying calling for more troops in Iraq years before the surge.  As far as his attacking Bush's policies, the two things I can think of I didn't like were opposing Bush's tax cuts and (I'm not even sure this counts as anti-Bush, but I'll count it) the Gang of 14.  When it comes to the tax cuts, he supported their extension.  So that leaves the Gang of 14.  Now I think that was foolish, but really don't see how that outweighs all of Romney's flip flops.  You can go beyond Bush and bash McCain (fairly) for constantly sniping at Republicans in general, but I still don't see how that trumps everything Romney did.

692 Sarah Palin's comments could have been interpreted in a lot of ways. Leave it to Gabe Malor to paint the worst possible light on them, and feebly.

Gabe Malor is the worst poster on this site, and after his attack on Ronald Reagan, he remains a wonder as to why he's here posting at all.

All morons should look first at any post here and see who authored it. If Gabe authored it, it should be skipped.

Gabe sucks.

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Gingrich as a Washington insider? Get real.

Stop dishing dishonest crap.

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"We are all Alinsky now"-Dr. Melissa Clouthier, DeMint operative.

Every month or two Gabe posts on some legal intrigrue and does an excellent job.

Let's just wait for the muse to darken his door and not hear from him otherwise.

Our answer to Michael Moore.

695 Do as I say, NOT as I do.