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August 18, 2012

Paul Ryan in Florida Today
— Dave in Texas

With his mom. Taking the "Mediscare" fight right back at Obama.

I'm like Ace, I love this twist on the Dems. You want to talk about Medicare and who wants to protect it more? Fine. We're ready.

I really don't think they saw this coming. Perhaps they should have looked to see what's in the bill before they passed it to see what's in the bill.

Also, "HI MOM!"

Posted by: Dave in Texas at 02:13 PM | Comments (170)
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1 Hooraaaah

Posted by: kinlaw at August 18, 2012 02:15 PM (l1ZyS)

2 guy in yellow has fantastic teeth

Posted by: Jose at August 18, 2012 02:15 PM (srIqv)

3 Paul Ryan kicks ass and obama is a SCOAMF

Posted by: CaveJohnson at August 18, 2012 02:15 PM (QZAVH)

4 Loved it when the reaction on the left was "we love this vp selection Ryan"

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Posted by: kinlaw at August 18, 2012 02:17 PM (l1ZyS)

5 I'm not sure I like being in the business of running on sustaining entitlement programs. But, whatever, I guess.

Posted by: lorien1973 at August 18, 2012 02:17 PM (0tkqC)

6 Just LOOK at all those American flags! I haven't seen such nationalistic fervor since the Nuremberg Rallies of 1938! Disgusting!

Posted by: Chrissy Matthews at August 18, 2012 02:18 PM (AzwZn)

7 Yeah well they loved it when this crazy right winger actor named Ronald Reagan was the GOP nominee in 1980, too. The left's judgment is not great, witness Dukakis, Mondale, and Gore. Every once in a while they get it right, but not very often.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 02:18 PM (r4wIV)

8 Short sleeves! I see guns! Yeah, Baby, yeah!

Posted by: Moronettes at August 18, 2012 02:19 PM (u3Rkr)

9 Sooooooo, you won't help out your own brother, but you'll live up to your obligations to seniors on Medicare? Why would I trust you, Barack?

Posted by: pep at August 18, 2012 02:19 PM (6TB1Z)

10 Short sleeves! I see guns!

Clearly Barack needs a ride in a tank. Not sure how he'd get his ailerons under the helmet, but we'll work something out.

Posted by: David Axelrod at August 18, 2012 02:21 PM (6TB1Z)

11 Hey girl, wanna meet my mom?

Posted by: CSI Chris at August 18, 2012 02:21 PM (A8eFV)

12 Yeah the fact that President Obama's blood brother had to ask for help from someone else for his kid's hospital bill says volumes about the man personally.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 02:21 PM (r4wIV)

It's really not a hard choice for the electorate, this time out.

...unless you are a true believer or a welfare case.

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2012 02:21 PM (j5JEk)

14 I'm not sure I like being in the business of running on sustaining entitlement programs. But, whatever, I guess. ------------------------------------ Don't blame Paul Ryan. If the government wants to stop taking money from my paycheck for entitlement programs, I'd be all for ending them.

Posted by: Chrissy Matthews at August 18, 2012 02:21 PM (AzwZn)

15 "Loved it when the reaction on the left was "we love this vp selection Ryan"

That's how you know it was the right pick. Leftards lie. It's like a separate language to them.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 18, 2012 02:22 PM (8JpQH)

16 Short sleeves! I see guns!
I thought Michelle Obama was on her way to CO to visit the Sikhs?

Posted by: andycanuck at August 18, 2012 02:23 PM (vDl/w)

17 Off you damn dirty and perverted Chrissy Matthews sock!

Posted by: Nukie at August 18, 2012 02:23 PM (AzwZn)

I'm not sure I like being in the business of running on sustaining entitlement programs. But, whatever, I guess.

Posted by: lorien1973 at August 18, 2012 06:17 PM (0tkqC)

I got a spinal cramp every time he mentioned "keeping the promise of Medicare" but I can live with it if we can get the JEF out.

We can deal with that other shit later.

Posted by: ErikW at August 18, 2012 02:23 PM (vKO+q)

19 What toned arms!

Posted by: Mindy at August 18, 2012 02:23 PM (UxGCM)

20 If the government wants to stop taking money from my paycheck for entitlement programs, I'd be all for ending them. Posted by: Chrissy Matthews at August 18, 2012 06:21 PM

Feel the tingle?

Posted by: huerfano at August 18, 2012 02:23 PM (bAGA/)

21 #14 Imposter!!!

Posted by: chris matthews' liver at August 18, 2012 02:23 PM (vDl/w)

22 Union folks are all for Obama too, they know he's a complete slave to the unions. The problem is they make up like... 10% of the rapidly-dwindling working population. Good luck winning with that demographic.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 02:24 PM (r4wIV)

23 Yeah the fact that President Obama's blood brother had to ask for help from someone else for his kid's hospital bill says volumes about the man personally. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 06:21 PM (r4wIV) Yep, he is immoral, amoral, and very stupid. Rescue your brother, asshole! It would look good! We can't even get Marxists who know the value of propaganda these days. What is the world coming to?

Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 02:24 PM (u3Rkr)

24 @"I'm not sure I like being in the business of running on sustaining entitlement programs."

Not shot on the idea either, but- Ryan is making the best of a bad bargain here... the folks on medicare now stay as is, and gradually the plan is phased out. I'll be in the phased out population, but will gladly take the burn to get rid of this nonsense down the road.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at August 18, 2012 02:24 PM (eNURf)

25 "5 I'm not sure I like being in the business of running on sustaining entitlement programs. But, whatever, I guess. Posted by: lorien1973 at August 18, 2012 06:17 PM (0tkqC)" True. But you have to win and keep the promise that was made to those who paid into it. Once Romney wins, he can make it solvent and start reducing costs for those under 55. What this does is two things. 1. Let's people know that Republicans will keep government promises even if it was done by Democrats. That's important, because it goes to the root of distrust that many people have with Republicans and social programs. 2. It lets people know that Republicans are better than Dems at government programs. Republicans can take Dem programs and make them better, cheaper and more efficient than the Dems can. All this leads down a conservative path. It all leads to smaller government, less spending, etc. and as a bonus, the people will trust Republicans more on these issues. The Dems are scared shitless at this prospect.

Posted by: MrX at August 18, 2012 02:25 PM (ZsAO3)

26 Hello from Orlando. FIL and I dropped the wife, MIL and kids off at IKEA, then headed over to the gun show. After collecting everyone, we're checked in at the hotel. Headed to SeaWorld in the morning. Too bad I couldn't make it over to see Ryan, but hey, can't do everything. Obama is a SCOAMF.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 18, 2012 02:25 PM (ofRXs)

27 This RR thing might just be a big fuckin' deal.

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 18, 2012 02:25 PM (IoNBC)

28 @25- Shoot, MrX- you done said what I did, only smarter. Nice one.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at August 18, 2012 02:26 PM (eNURf)

29 Posted by: MrX at August 18, 2012 06:25 PM (ZsAO3) This is the way it must be done. Slowly ease the junkie off the drug.

Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 02:27 PM (u3Rkr)

30 When you can turn their own shit back on them it is a very good thing indeed.
You don't have to like the program you just have to stick them with the pointy end.

Posted by: SurferDoc at August 18, 2012 02:28 PM (6H6FZ)

31 Yummm. I know he's happily married but Ryan sure looks good in that polo shirt.

Posted by: Palerider at August 18, 2012 02:28 PM (m+nIW)

32 These guys are just not afraid. Ryan is a man who has looked at the numbers and had a moment of clarity. Like Chamberlain on Little Round Top, he knows if he runs, it's game over for America.

Posted by: xuyee at August 18, 2012 02:28 PM (aTZSK)

33 For those of you cringing from Ryan supporting keeping medicare, just remember that he has a plan of pretty much discontinuing it over the years. What he was saying today was the same thing he's always said. For people 55 and older, medicare will not change.

Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 02:29 PM (XXzCL)

34 You know, if President Obama had sunk that putt on the 12th hole, things might have been different.

Posted by: Fritz at August 18, 2012 02:29 PM (RuVpG)

35 I'm not sure I like being in the business of running on sustaining entitlement programs. But, whatever, I guess.

Posted by: lorien1973 at August 18, 2012 06:17 PM (0tkqC)

What separates Medicare, in this case, is that people have specifically paid into it. There's an actual trust fund, a trust fund that Obama raided to pay for O-care. Of course, in an ideal world, we wouldn't have had entitlements like Medicare and Social Security to being with, but we have them now, and we have to work around it.

Posted by: David Marcoe at August 18, 2012 02:29 PM (2BYL1)

36 Yeah I'm not real big on this "who will give the most money to old people" one upsmanship but the idea of slowly weaning the junkie off the drug is right. Its hideous but the only way to kill the monster at this point. Attempting to cold turkey the welfare addiction would end up destroying any shot at getting anything done for 10 years or more.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 02:30 PM (r4wIV)

37 There's no gay in me. But I gotta say, he slightly nerdy family guy Boy Scout with the guns would do it if there were.

Posted by: RightWingProf at August 18, 2012 02:31 PM (bHgwn)

38 Hubba hubba...

Posted by: jewells45 is scarred for life because of ace at August 18, 2012 02:32 PM (UljOc)

39 I hear he goes commando when giving speeches.

Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 02:32 PM (u3Rkr)

40 I'm going home from the hospital. It turns out that what they thought was a virulent strain of MRSA staph iwas in reality a family of Pygmy gerbils. So; were cool, and were headed home.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone bum at August 18, 2012 02:33 PM (clOq9)

41 Such is the beauty of Romney's early VP pick. Well played, Mitt.

Posted by: Craig Poe at August 18, 2012 02:34 PM (BVkEs)

42 You had an infection of gerbils in your face? Was it tickly?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 02:34 PM (r4wIV)

I don't know if sustaining the Welfare State entitlements shakes out as conservative, but again,. you have to get elected. You have to run for office with the voters as they presently are in this country. Which means babbling all this talk about how we can "save" Medicare. It would be nice if somehow it could all be made to work, because I will probably need it within a dozen years.

To make a lasting structural change to the way the government spends OUR money is going to take a lot of compromising with the Democrats, because the effort is going to have to be sustained over many years.

The Welfare State as it presently exists is not sustainable, it CANNOT go on. Period. Full stop. Social Security , Medicare, Medicaid, all of it is going to collapse sooner or later.

Romney and Ryan may be the last chance to make orderly reform before fiscal disaster befalls us and the government has to make changes that are just crushing. I already think it is "too late", but instead of hitting the wall at 100 mph under Obama and the rest of the fools in the Democrat Party, we might hit it a 35 mph with Romney/Ryan and get out to walk away.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at August 18, 2012 02:34 PM (sJTmU)

44 I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: Palandine at August 18, 2012 02:34 PM (g7D8V)

45 Re: not liking R's running on preserving entitlement programs:

There are two ways of doing it: cold turkey, or gradual withdrawal.

Cold Turkey is objectively the best way to go about it, if your focus is actually on the well-being of both the individuals involved or society as a whole. Unfortunately, it is also an engraved invitation for 1) massive civil unrest and the resulting 2) permanent irrelevancy for whoever tries it.

That leaves Gradual Withdrawal as the only viable strategy. Moving people under 55 to a hybrid entitlement/insurance system for Medicare is a gradual withdrawal strategy.

This is exactly why the Democrats have to (not want to, have to) characterize the Gradual Withdrawal of the Ryan plan as Cold Turkey.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2012 02:35 PM (smvTK)

46 40 That's excellent news Truman. Good for you.

Posted by: wierd flunky at August 18, 2012 02:35 PM (tlhtD)

47 7 Yeah well they loved it when this crazy right winger actor named Ronald Reagan was the GOP nominee in 1980, too. The left's judgment is not great, witness Dukakis, Mondale, and Gore. Every once in a while they get it right, but not very often. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 06:18 PM (r4wIV) I think that has more to do with luck (Clintoon) and circumstance (Obinga Jugears McSandtrap).

Posted by: Tom Morellos' equally irrelevant Dad at August 18, 2012 02:36 PM (8E5Jf)

48 I'm going home from the hospital. It turns out that what they thought was a virulent strain of MRSA staph iwas in reality a family of Pygmy gerbils. So; were cool, and were headed home. Posted by: Truman North, iPhone bum at August 18, 2012 06:33 PM (clOq9) Sneaky little beasties.

Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 02:36 PM (u3Rkr)

49 40: Glad you are OK Truman.

Posted by: Palerider at August 18, 2012 02:36 PM (m+nIW)

Posted by: Palerider at August 18, 2012 06:28 PM (m+nIW)

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Bizarro Paul Ryan (with a goatee) is single. Other than the facial hair and marital status, he's exactly the same. Bizarro PR is the one against whom I press my scantily clad body, while he contemplates unfunded liabilites, line item vetos, and my boobehs.

Posted by: kallisto at August 18, 2012 02:36 PM (jm/9g)

51 Someone in a position to know told me that Ryan makes his mom ride on the roof of the campaign bus.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at August 18, 2012 02:37 PM (zMouK)

52 47 7 Yeah well they loved it when this crazy right winger actor named Ronald Reagan was the GOP nominee in 1980, too. The left's judgment is not great, witness Dukakis, Mondale, and Gore. Every once in a while they get it right, but not very often. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 06:18 PM (r4wIV) I think that has more to do with luck (Clintoon) and circumstance (Obinga Jugears McSandtrap). Posted by: Tom Morellos' equally irrelevant Dad at August 18, 2012 06:36 PM (8E5Jf) OK, sock off.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 18, 2012 02:37 PM (8E5Jf)

53 Gerbils died on impact?

Posted by: Craig Poe at August 18, 2012 02:37 PM (BVkEs)

54 But does Bizarro Paul Ryan play a strange Vulcan stringed instrument and sing hippie songs?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 02:38 PM (r4wIV)

55 Speaking of moms.. I picked mine up today for our bi-weekly shopping day and she had two bandages on her face from two biopsies performed yesterday by the dermotologist. Had to have 8 stiches in the one on her hairline. Poor thing looked awful. We walked into Walmart and people kept staring at me, like they think I did something to her! I said "hey mom.. you go that way.. I'm gonna head this way.. meet you at the front in an hour.

Posted by: jewells45 is scarred for life because of ace at August 18, 2012 02:38 PM (UljOc)

56 Has Paul Ryan's mom released her tax returns? What's she hiding?

Posted by: Cicero at August 18, 2012 02:38 PM (zMouK)

57 Truman, not sure what that means but sounds like you are okay. Glad to hear it!!

Posted by: jewells45 is scarred for life because of ace at August 18, 2012 02:39 PM (UljOc)

Posted by: jewells45 is scarred for life because of ace at August 18, 2012 06:32 PM (UljOc)

I think we all are to a certain degree.

Posted by: ErikW at August 18, 2012 02:39 PM (vKO+q)

59 Posted by: kallisto at August 18, 2012 06:36 PM (jm/9g) Heh!

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 18, 2012 02:39 PM (8E5Jf)

Job Growth is another basic way to 'save Medicare'.

If you don't have a job....you're not paying into Medicare.

Or Soc. Security either.

Cutting bloated government payrolls...is another thing that will help.

Govt Jobs are revenue negative.

It costs revenue to sustain govt jobs....and whatever is withheld from those jobs in the way of taxes, is just recycled tax dollars...not new ones.

Posted by: wheatie at August 18, 2012 02:39 PM (mtRB0)

61 The only way to kill Pygmy gerbils is with fire.

Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 02:39 PM (u3Rkr)

62 #47: And keep in mind that Clinton had Ross Perot dividing the conservative vote for him twice. Perot's voters would not have voted for Clinton.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 18, 2012 02:40 PM (3yCFy)

63 lol Erik. I thought about changing that.. but I have kinda grown to like it.

Posted by: jewells45 is scarred for life because of ace at August 18, 2012 02:40 PM (UljOc)

64 Yeah in a straight contest, Bush the elder would have won again, but then who in 96? Dole? I just don't see him winning no matter who he runs against. I didn't want President Dole.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 02:41 PM (r4wIV)

65 54 But does Bizarro Paul Ryan play a strange Vulcan stringed instrument and sing hippie songs?

Word is, Ryan is headed for some Realville Indian village to jam out with the Great Maha Rushie.

Posted by: Craig Poe at August 18, 2012 02:41 PM (BVkEs)

66 Has Paul Ryan's mom released her tax returns? What's she hiding?

Posted by: Cicero at August 18, 2012 06:38 PM (zMouK)

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This would not surprise me. Remember. Dems have no shame.

Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 02:41 PM (XXzCL)

67 Know why this is going to work? Because for the first time in forever, a Republican candidate (Ryan and increasingly Mitt) is rejecting the premise outright, the media/Democrat template. So it then becomes a stark choice and I like those odds.

Posted by: jjshaka at August 18, 2012 02:42 PM (Pku21)

68 The only way to kill Pygmy gerbils is with fire.

Posted by: eman at August 18, 2012 06:39 PM (u3Rkr)

Don't forget the red hot pokers to bludgeon them with as they flee the flames.

Posted by: Beto at August 18, 2012 02:42 PM (BAnPT)

69 62 #47: And keep in mind that Clinton had Ross Perot dividing the conservative vote for him twice. Perot's voters would not have voted for Clinton. Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 18, 2012 06:40 PM (3yCFy) Exactly where the luck came from. Other than the knee-pad media, of course.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 18, 2012 02:42 PM (8E5Jf)

70 No, it feels like I got stung by about 50 bees right on my cheek with the resultant wooziness and swelling. But it's not bad, and it's gettin better. Home rest > hospital rest.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone bum at August 18, 2012 02:43 PM (clOq9)

71 The Villages. Heh. Two truckloads Viagra daily.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at August 18, 2012 02:43 PM (PH+2B)

72 The local TV media have been spinning R&R as "playing defense" on SS and medicare. Maybe if by defense they mean rushing the QB and causing a fumble, but I worry that this subtle marx spewing may influence people and tend to ward off that preference cascade.

Posted by: Palerider at August 18, 2012 02:43 PM (m+nIW)

73 Give everyone who paid in their money back, then start over. Oh, you mean the money is not there?

Posted by: Tutu at August 18, 2012 02:43 PM (jQvNz)

74 ....Dems have no shame.

Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2012 06:41 PM (XXzCL)

How long before they start in on his kids?

Posted by: Beto at August 18, 2012 02:43 PM (BAnPT)

75 The Villages: Perfecting The Art Of Sex In A Golf Cart.

Posted by: Nukie at August 18, 2012 02:44 PM (AzwZn)

76 "I worry that this subtle marx spewing may influence people and tend to ward off that preference cascade. "
Its not subtle and that's why they're doing it but really how many people watch TV for their news these days? Or ever, for that matter?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 02:44 PM (r4wIV)

77 I'll say that Bob Dole would have filled those interns with a medically-induced four-hour boner instead of a cheap cigar.

Posted by: Bob Dole at August 18, 2012 02:44 PM (zMouK)

78 I supervise a lot of union workers, they say they ain't voting for JeF.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 18, 2012 02:45 PM (tRJ+w)

79 #65: Yeah, now that you mention it, Clinton did come awfully close to a popular majority in '96. He might've won that year without Perot. But he wouldn't have been running as an incumbent, either.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 18, 2012 02:45 PM (3yCFy)

80 OT - Star Trek "the return to earth" is pretty shitty.

Posted by: Hal Burton at August 18, 2012 02:45 PM (kzFo5)

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 06:38 PM (r4wIV)

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I don't know, I'll find out next time I see him. I do know he's a good dancer, he and I won a salsa contest the other night. Despite his all American good looks, he's got a lot of Latin flava. He's really good at shaking his money-maker.

Posted by: kallisto at August 18, 2012 02:46 PM (jm/9g)

82 How long before they start in on his kids? Posted by: Beto at August 18, 2012 06:43 PM (BAnPT) Kinda surprised they haven't. Yet.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 18, 2012 02:46 PM (8E5Jf)

83 Ryan? Never heard of him. But it's raining in Texas in August. The goreball worming kooks can eat my shorts.

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at August 18, 2012 02:47 PM (9HhTH)

84 This would not surprise me. Remember. Dems have no shame.

For her sake, I hope she has no sealed divorce records, doesn't run a business, has her taxes fully paid up and won't have to board a plane soon.

Posted by: Cicero at August 18, 2012 02:47 PM (zMouK)

85 Woah! Looks like Paul Ryan decided to let the guns out for a little air.

Posted by: Unhinged Banana at August 18, 2012 02:49 PM (ymH/8)

86 President Obama on Campaign Trail Today: "Mitt Romney did business with companies that were called "pioneers of outsourcing! I don't want to outsource..........I want to insource! ------------------------------------------- President Obama, Even though you did not get prior approval to use our name, we are going to forgo copyright issues and allow you to use our band name ad nauseam!

Posted by: Pioneers Of Outsourcing at August 18, 2012 02:50 PM (AzwZn)

I thought about changing that.. but I have kinda grown to like it.

Posted by: jewells45 is scarred for life because of ace at August 18, 2012 06:40 PM (UljOc)

You should keep it! God knows my mind has been irrepairably harmed by reading this blog.

Posted by: ErikW at August 18, 2012 02:50 PM (vKO+q)

88 OMG, if i heart Paul Ryan any harder, I will be changing my panties 12 times a day.

Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2012 02:50 PM (kpCLl)

89 Well the media may have met their match in Ryan. looks like they are turning their attention to the evil Mormon Romney.. I read three Mormon pieces today all nasty...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at August 18, 2012 02:50 PM (W2Z3C)

34You know, if President Obama had sunk that putt on the 12th hole, things might have been different.

Sure, and if Barack Obama Sr. had worn a rubber, things things might have been different. And if half the electorate weren't an embarrassment to all primates, things might have been different.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2012 02:50 PM (oX7vY)

91 79 I supervise a lot of union workers, they say they ain't voting for JeF.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 18, 2012 06:45 PM (tRJ+w)

Public or private sector union workers?

Posted by: Tami at August 18, 2012 02:50 PM (X6akg)

92 Oh, and btw, if you go on the Romney website, go to "about Mitt Romney" and scroll down to the bottom, you can donate 20 bucks and get a rockin' t-shirt that says "I built my business, Mr. President" . . . now, go on, get on it.

Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2012 02:51 PM (kpCLl)

93 Yeah I think private sector is probably a lot more probama than the working blue collar guys. That's just a guess though.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 02:52 PM (r4wIV)

Rescue your brother, asshole!

It would look good!

We can't even get Marxists who know the value of propaganda these days.

I've thought this too. For a few grand he could change his brother's life, bring him hope, and duck snark from us, but nope. He'd rather talk about hope and change in the abstract. Bullshit artiste.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2012 02:52 PM (oX7vY)

It turns out that what they thought was a virulent strain of MRSA staph iwas in reality a family of Pygmy gerbils.

Go on...

Posted by: Richard Gere at August 18, 2012 02:52 PM (mL3At)

96 I supervise a lot of union workers, they say they ain't voting for JeF.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 18, 2012 06:45 PM (tRJ+w)

yesh!!!

Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2012 02:52 PM (kpCLl)

97 81 OT - Star Trek "the return to earth" is pretty shitty.

?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 18, 2012 02:52 PM (Qxdfp)

98 Well the media may have met their match in Ryan. looks like they are turning their attention to the evil Mormon Romney.. I read three Mormon pieces today all nasty...

Little Known Fact: Mormons hate black people.

Posted by: The MSM, Just Here to Inform at August 18, 2012 02:52 PM (zMouK)

99 This Ryan guy has the lefties unhinged... That tingle up Matthews leg is now tinkle.

Posted by: Benson at August 18, 2012 02:53 PM (I/RuC)

100 The Angel Moroni: white guy

Posted by: Legacy Media at August 18, 2012 02:54 PM (r4wIV)

101 94 Yeah I think private sector is probably a lot more probama than the working blue collar guys. That's just a guess though.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 06:52 PM (r4wIV)

I would think just the opposite....public sector would be probama. A lot of private sector union guys own their own businesses, i.e., plumbers, electricians, yada, yada, yada.

Posted by: Tami at August 18, 2012 02:54 PM (X6akg)

102 I read a rumor from 1865 that Joseph Smith gave a woman cancer.

Posted by: Legacy Media at August 18, 2012 02:54 PM (r4wIV)

103

Hey girl, I'll need to see your tickets to the gun show.

Just kidding girl, you're in.

Posted by: VPOTUS Ryan at August 18, 2012 02:55 PM (mL3At)

104 61

Aw hell, I got me a can of kerosine and a bic lighter, let's go find us some pygmy gerbils!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 18, 2012 02:55 PM (Qxdfp)

105 This just in: Brigham Young never paid any income taxes. More on this shocking scandal as it develops.

Posted by: Legacy Media at August 18, 2012 02:56 PM (r4wIV)

106 Unlike Scientology, the Mormons have recruited almost no major celebrities.

Posted by: The MSM, Just Here to Inform at August 18, 2012 02:56 PM (zMouK)

107 65 Yeah in a straight contest, Bush the elder would have won again, but then who in 96? Dole? I just don't see him winning no matter who he runs against. I didn't want President Dole. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 06:41 PM (r4wIV) Me either. That was a throwaway. Good Man. Mind-numbing boredom.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 18, 2012 02:56 PM (8E5Jf)

108 Yeah Tami I meant public, but I have a headache and besides I'm basically dumb.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 02:56 PM (r4wIV)

109 Yo bro, can ya float me a Hamilton?

Posted by: Lil G Obie at August 18, 2012 02:57 PM (BVkEs)

110 Ryan should wear wife beater shirts until November. Just saying

Posted by: Benson at August 18, 2012 02:57 PM (I/RuC)

111 Mormons rarely build their churches in areas that aren't predominantly white and prosperous.

Posted by: The MSM, Just Here to Inform at August 18, 2012 02:58 PM (zMouK)

112 What do you all bet that Mrs Ryan is proud as hell of her hubby. I picture him as confused and embarrassed by the pictures and comments online but her nodding and grinning.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 02:58 PM (r4wIV)

113 Unlike Scientology, the Mormons have recruited almost no major celebrities. ------------------------------------------- Only because they can't get by the security gates.

Posted by: Nukie at August 18, 2012 02:59 PM (AzwZn)

114 Well, I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels. And thatÂ’s part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. ItÂ’s not determinative, but I think it has to be able to give you some guidance.

Posted by: Barry hearts Death Panels at August 18, 2012 02:59 PM (2ArJQ)

115 He knows he's hot . . . hell, we all know it. whoa, almost swooned there . . .

Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2012 02:59 PM (kpCLl)

116

@113

Hey girl, I get it. Now back the fuck up.

Posted by: Mrs. Ryan at August 18, 2012 03:00 PM (mL3At)

117 The Catholic Church has a long tradition of operating hospitals that disproportionately serve the poor and needy. Mormons started Farrells Ice Cream Parlors.

Posted by: The MSM, Just Here to Inform at August 18, 2012 03:00 PM (zMouK)

118 ya know what fuckin' slayed me this week, and i didn't click on it, but drudge had some bullshit up about barky saying "no one would ever say i tried to divide this country" \o/

Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2012 03:01 PM (kpCLl)

119 I just got home from a family party. The son-in-law's side of the family traditionally vote Dem. They are from the dark side of the Illinois/Wisconsin border. I was surprised to hear a couple of them discussing Paul Ryan and saying that they were impressed by him. One even said they were excited about him being on the ticket. They referenced the sorry financial state of affairs that Illinois is in. I think people are willing to take a look at this ticket who otherwise would usually vote Democratic.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 18, 2012 03:01 PM (P6QsQ)

120 I dunno Peaches. Usually the only guys that know they are hot stuff are arrogant, obnoxious jerks who spend a lot of time every day staring into reflective surfaces and treating women like trash. He doesn't strike me as that sort.
Although if Mrs Ryan is a good woman she's let him know every day so maybe its sunk in by now.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 03:01 PM (r4wIV)

121 One even said they were excited about him being on the ticket. They referenced the sorry financial state of affairs that Illinois is in. I think people are willing to take a look at this ticket who otherwise would usually vote Democratic.

Drip

Drip

Drip

Posted by: Cicero at August 18, 2012 03:03 PM (zMouK)

122 Ryan doesn't even have to look good to be hot (although, praise be, he certainly does), he is SMART. Been a long damn time since we had some smart to vote for.

Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2012 03:03 PM (kpCLl)

123 95 Rescue your brother, asshole! It would look good! We can't even get Marxists who know the value of propaganda these days. I've thought this too. For a few grand he could change his brother's life, bring him hope, and duck snark from us, but nope. He'd rather talk about hope and change in the abstract. Bullshit artiste. Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2012 06:52 PM (oX7vY) Yeah. The guy who's supposed take us into the post-racial and lower the seas can't help a DUI Uncle, an illegal Aunt living in a rent controlled apartment and a brother living in a Maytag box in a desert. Messiah! Nope. ......SCOAMF.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 18, 2012 03:03 PM (8E5Jf)

124 Off topic, but Johnny Cash's song "Jackson" is the best duet ever recorded. That is all.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 03:04 PM (r4wIV)

125 I think the ticket is an easy sell. The left is getting desperate and look crazier every time they rant about the end of civilization as we know it if Romney gets elected. It will backfire. Guar an damn teed

Posted by: Benson at August 18, 2012 03:04 PM (I/RuC)

126 Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 18, 2012 07:03 PM (8E5Jf)

that shitheel could send his brother 10 bucks american and change his life. he makes me want to puke. and don't get me started on ms. swanky vacation . . . i don't need a time-out from ace.

Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2012 03:04 PM (kpCLl)

127 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2012 03:05 PM (6o4Fb)

128 What's the left wanted was a quick medicare debate, near the end of the campaign; full of the lies and smears and robocalls we have seen so much of in the last 30 years.

What the left expected was that Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney would run from the Medicare debate and allow the democrat surrogates a month or two to lay the groundwork for a final push.

What the left missed was that Paul Ryan is a true believer and ready to debate entitlements with anyone, anytime, anywhere: probably the only one in the veep pool willing and able to do so. Rubio might have done the same for the immigration debate but I think Mitt chose his fight wisely.

Posted by: Dumas at August 18, 2012 03:05 PM (iuY0Y)

129 Off topic, but Johnny Cash's song "Jackson" is the best duet ever recorded. That is all.

Have you ever listened to Gram Parsons and Emmylou Harris singing Love Hurts? Rips my heart out, ever time, as it has done for the past 40 years. Check it out.

Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2012 03:06 PM (kpCLl)

130 120 I just got home from a family party. The son-in-law's side of the family traditionally vote Dem. They are from the dark side of the Illinois/Wisconsin border. I was surprised to hear a couple of them discussing Paul Ryan and saying that they were impressed by him. One even said they were excited about him being on the ticket. They referenced the sorry financial state of affairs that Illinois is in. I think people are willing to take a look at this ticket who otherwise would usually vote Democratic. Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 18, 2012 07:01 PM (P6QsQ) New hotness = Ryan Democrats!

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 18, 2012 03:06 PM (8E5Jf)

131 and don't get me started on ms. swanky vacation . . . i don't need a time-out from ace.

Go on. Let loose. You know you want to.

Posted by: The Left Shoulder Devil at August 18, 2012 03:06 PM (zMouK)

132 One of the women there said "He seems nice. I like him. What do you think of him?" (directed at me)

So I told her. I may have gone on a bit.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 18, 2012 03:06 PM (P6QsQ)

133 Thought I heard yesterday that the barky admin is considering tapping the Strategic Oil Reserve to ease gas prices. That SOB is using every trick in the book.

Posted by: Paul ryan at August 18, 2012 03:07 PM (ItI50)

134 Yeah in a straight contest, Bush the elder would have won again, but then who in 96? Dole? I just don't see him winning no matter who he runs against. I didn't want President Dole.

Bob Dole? Why Bob Dole would have gone after those crafty Krauts who were in Italy that's what Bob Dole would have done. My God man, have you gone mad?!?

Posted by: Bob Dole at August 18, 2012 03:07 PM (ZOf1l)

135 You go, mama winger. {{{{{}}}}}

Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2012 03:07 PM (kpCLl)

136

sock off

Posted by: Ronster at August 18, 2012 03:08 PM (ItI50)

137 45 Re: not liking R's running on preserving entitlement programs: There are two ways of doing it: cold turkey, or gradual withdrawal. Cold Turkey is objectively the best way to go about it, if your focus is actually on the well-being of both the individuals involved or society as a whole. Unfortunately, it is also an engraved invitation for 1) massive civil unrest and the resulting 2) permanent irrelevancy for whoever tries it. That leaves Gradual Withdrawal as the only viable strategy. Moving people under 55 to a hybrid entitlement/insurance system for Medicare is a gradual withdrawal strategy. This is exactly why the Democrats have to (not want to, have to) characterize the Gradual Withdrawal of the Ryan plan as Cold Turkey. The trouble is, Gradual Withdrawal won't work. We're out of money, out of altitude, and out of time. We're going to crash and burn. It's inevitable at this point. The problem with Ryan's plan is that it doesn't nearly go far enough, and it assumes an unrealistic rate of growth in the economy. Only Cold Turkey has a chance of succeeding, but nobody wants to hear that.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2012 03:08 PM (sdi6R)

138 Peaches declares "off topic" before her post. Never you mind with pleasantries, every post here would begin with those two words if we all had your manners.

Posted by: Benson at August 18, 2012 03:09 PM (I/RuC)

139 127 Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 18, 2012 07:03 PM (8E5Jf) that shitheel could send his brother 10 bucks american and change his life. he makes me want to puke. and don't get me started on ms. swanky vacation . . . i don't need a time-out from ace. Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2012 07:04 PM (kpCLl) I got one, too. I can't remember what for, but I'm sure I needed it. Yeah...she's a piece of........I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 18, 2012 03:09 PM (8E5Jf)

140

Unlike Scientology, the Mormons have recruited almost no major celebrities.

Why try to recruit scum?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2012 03:10 PM (oX7vY)

141 There is no known shield against the Mormon Cancer Ray, Captain. I recommend immediate surrender.

Posted by: Spock at August 18, 2012 03:10 PM (u3Rkr)

142 "Have you ever listened to Gram Parsons and Emmylou Harris singing Love Hurts? "
Be tough to beat the Foghat version but I'll give it a shot.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 03:10 PM (r4wIV)

143 You go, mama winger.

-------------

It was weird. Usually I avoid political discussions at family gatherings that involve people from son-in-law's side of the family. Mostly because my daughter kicks me under the table if I don't. But today they actually asked me about it. I even left the table for a while to go help the kids catch turtles, and one of them said "Hey - get back here. I want to talk politics some more."

And not in a confrontational way. In a listening, interested way.

People want this fixed. They see a possibility here.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 18, 2012 03:11 PM (P6QsQ)

144 The Everly Brothers did it originally.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2012 03:11 PM (sdi6R)

145 The trouble is, Gradual Withdrawal won't work. ______ It does not work. I tried it, an look what it got me.

Posted by: Old man who lived in a shoe at August 18, 2012 03:15 PM (2ArJQ)

146 I do have a lot of love in my heart for Emmylou though. Pretty lady, great voice, baseball fan, great woman.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 03:15 PM (r4wIV)

147 143 Don't think that's Foghat you've been hearing sing Love Hurts.

Posted by: wierd flunky at August 18, 2012 03:17 PM (tlhtD)

148 Posted by: The MSM, Just Here to Inform at August 18, 2012 06:56 PM (zMouK) Danny Ainge, well known former Celtics guard, who also played baseball with the Blue Jays is a Mormom.

Posted by: madamex at August 18, 2012 03:17 PM (e9LVX)

149 You're right, that was Nazareth. Foghat did It Hurts Me Too, awesome song.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 03:18 PM (r4wIV)

150 And not in a confrontational way. In a listening, interested way.

People want this fixed. They see a possibility here.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 18, 2012 07:11 PM (P6QsQ)

I'm running into some of that, too, mw, not a lot (it is, after all, the land of the tiny-brained), but it's there and one must be vewy vewy gentle with them, but still give 'em a nudge. I'm hopeful for November, truly hopeful.

Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2012 03:18 PM (kpCLl)

151 Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2012 07:08 PM (sdi6R)

Ditto. My thinking is that even under the best conditions the 2013 budget, the first budget in many years, will be one that gets past a demoncratic filibuster in the Senate. This budget is going to be one that doesn't actually cut spending. It will be one that continues down the path of fiscal doom slightly less quickly.

WAF

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at August 18, 2012 03:23 PM (9HhTH)

152 109 Yeah Tami I meant public, but I have a headache and besides I'm basically dumb.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2012 06:56 PM (r4wIV)

I figured you just mistyped. And you're not dumb!

Posted by: Tami at August 18, 2012 03:25 PM (X6akg)

153 The funny thing about the Medicare debate is that Obama wants to kill old people. I don't know why Repubs are so reticent to talk about about this. He's all but openly said it. About 60% of all healthcare expenditures in this country are in the last six months of life. His solution? Let 'em die. Obama's attitude toward end-of-life issues goes hand-in-hand with his attitude about abortion. Personally, I would trust a Mormon and a Catholic who value life over liberals who don't value life and wish that their own and their unwanted baby's and your dad's and my mom's would end.

Posted by: Cricket at August 18, 2012 03:27 PM (2ArJQ)

154 It is true that we don't have a lot of high-name people, but I can think of a couple of surprising ones, who actually sort of obliterate the "Mormons hate blacks" meme. Of course, the poster boy is Elridge Cleaver, one-time Black Panther, who was an active member of the church when he died in the late 1990s.

Gladys Knight is also a member and is the leader of the LDS Saints United Voices, which tries to perform music with roots in the African-American spiritual music tradition.She used to give the LDS prophet a hard time about church music need to get "pepped-up", and this is her way of doing it appears.

So, there you have it, two self-loathing blacks who were so weak-willed that they allowed themselves to be conned into joining yet another Christianist (only not to other Christians) cult.

Posted by: Mormon Celebrity Recruiter at August 18, 2012 03:38 PM (pcnpf)

155 Florida will flip deep red hen he gives the next stump speech there in a tank top.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 18, 2012 03:44 PM (ovpNn)

156 Looks like a paltry crowd of 3,000-5,000 according to this report, nowhere near the crowd Palin drew... http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2012/08/18/ notes-from-vp-candidate-paul-ryan-event-at-the- villages-in-florida/

Posted by: toldyaso at August 18, 2012 03:57 PM (wgkZv)

157 #154 All you have to do is look at how he treated his mother and his grandmother when they were dying.

Mother: Hardly visited her, STILL whining about helping with the insurance, went to some islands in the middle of her hospitalization.

Grandmother: Hardly visited her at all during the campaign, except when she was in her last days. Mooch didn't visit, nor the girls. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he smothered her with a pillow.

Posted by: Miss Marple at August 18, 2012 04:29 PM (GoIUi)

158 Has there ever been a more good looking ticket? That must kill the libs. They have Plugs Biden and Worms Soetoro.

Posted by: Baldy at August 18, 2012 04:38 PM (opS9C)

159 Obama was a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: JustMe at August 18, 2012 04:41 PM (0hDIC)

160 How long do you suppose it'll be before enlightened Progressives like Bill Maher and Louis C.K. start making vile sex-"jokes" about Paul Ryan's mother?

Within a week is my bet.

Posted by: Stu-22 at August 18, 2012 04:42 PM (k4bdL)

161 Hey @ 157 since when did a troll like you become a Palin fan? Miss Marple, remember also the timing of his grandmother's death. Way too convienent for the sympathy vote.

Posted by: small town girl at August 18, 2012 04:44 PM (ZrcV/)

162 Looks like a paltry crowd of 3,000-5,000

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"Paltry?" DIAF, Gerg.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 18, 2012 04:52 PM (aHR5E)

163

Paul Ryan is da man. I haven't been this happy since Ronald Reagan.

Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!!

Posted by: KR1 at August 18, 2012 05:21 PM (4E5EC)

164

161

Bill Maher is a filthy swine, so he's capable of anything.

Posted by: KR1 at August 18, 2012 05:23 PM (4E5EC)

165 I'm in no way a conspiracy theorist, but when Obamas Grandmother died at such a convenient time, knowing the truth about Barry, I did become a tad suspicious...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at August 18, 2012 05:23 PM (W2Z3C)

166 154 The funny thing about the Medicare debate is that Obama wants to kill old people. I don't know why Repubs are so reticent to talk about about this. He's all but openly said it. About 60% of all healthcare expenditures in this country are in the last six months of life. His solution? Let 'em die. what? You mean like a death panel? You mean like she was right all along?

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at August 18, 2012 05:59 PM (p4U6S)

167 Ryan in Florida: He'll ride to the coast like a demon ghost and shake his fist and laugh ... etc., etc.

Posted by: The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh at August 18, 2012 06:01 PM (p4U6S)

168 Suns out, guns out.

Posted by: teh Wind at August 18, 2012 06:50 PM (GkYyh)

169

"Yummm. I know he's happily married but Ryan sure looks good in that polo shirt. "

I know. I didn't even notice that he gave a speech until it was over. My eyes were glued to the pecs. I still maintain he should campaign shirtless for the rest of the year.

Posted by: Auda at August 18, 2012 07:08 PM (FXsgr)

170 I was always confused as to why the Dems seemed so happy about the pick of Paul Ryan. Yes, they like scaring seniors with entitlements, but seriously they were delighted about going up against the charismatic, smart politician who brings up comparisons to Kennedy.. why exactly?? He's either going to be VP or the guy who gets great exposure and wins the White House in a landslide in 2016. And yes.... the polo shirt really worked well for him. I wonder if Mama Ryan told him he was desperate need of new clothes and bought him some shirts from J Crew. Thanks Mom!

Posted by: kg1982 at August 18, 2012 09:22 PM (ycGF+)

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