March 30, 2012
— andy I'm sorry, but are you effin' kidding me Peggy?
Something's happening to President Obama's relationship with those who are inclined not to like his policies. They are now inclined not to like him. His supporters would say, "Nothing new there," but actually I think there is. I'm referring to the broad, stable, nonradical, non-birther right. Among them the level of dislike for the president has ratcheted up sharply the past few months.It's not due to the election, and it's not because the Republican candidates are so compelling and making such brilliant cases against him. That, actually, isn't happening.
What is happening is that the president is coming across more and more as a trimmer, as an operator who's not operating in good faith. This is hardening positions and leading to increased political bitterness. And it's his fault, too. As an increase in polarization is a bad thing, it's a big fault.
Uhhhh ... ok. You can read the rest of her reasoning, but, honestly, why bother?
I guess it makes sense if you believed the crap Obama was selling in 2008.
Oh, wait. Peggy did!
The rest of us, though, get to say "we told her so". Over, and over and over. And, not to leave out Iowahawk ...
But now, Dame Noonan declares "Obama increasingly comes across as devious and dishonest."
NO! NO HE DOESN'T! He's been devious and dishonest since day one, you idiot! You were just too stupid or starstruck or whatever to see it.
I mean, honestly, is anyone surprised by the race-baiting or any of the other crap we're getting from a "community organizer" who sat in Reverend Wright's "church" for twenty years and was a member of the socialist New Party?
Oh, screw it. I'll have what Peggy's having.
Note: I have asked Jack M., our resident expert on Dame Noonan, to add his thoughts. He is currently suffering from a severe watercress sandwich reaction but I hope to have his input as the election season progresses.
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Posted by: Frederick Sommer at March 30, 2012 05:23 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 30, 2012 05:25 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 05:25 AM (8y9MW)
Our local squishy "Republican" talk show host had Peggy on her show in 2008. They both moaned about partisanship and how getting rid of it would be like a "Calgon bath".
Girl talk. Made me wanna puke.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at March 30, 2012 05:26 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 05:26 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 05:27 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Sharkman at March 30, 2012 05:27 AM (wMsKw)
Preference cascade ego gratifying bullshit. Or, more simply, I wasn't a fool, he's chaaaaaannnngggeeeed. Since he's changed, why, I can change my mind based on this totally new, never seen before, new new did I mention new information that I did not have before!
I will give Peggy this, she's right that my loathing of Obama is growing daily.
What's with the early rising cob-loggers?
Objection, assumes facts not in evidence. It's more likely that it's late going to bed cob-loggers.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 05:27 AM (VtjlW)
It will expalin exactly what has been going on for 3 years
Posted by: Gary Ross at March 30, 2012 05:28 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: EC at March 30, 2012 05:28 AM (GQ8sn)
True. But I'll take it.
I don't care if they're wrong about why they hate him, so long as they go vote R in November.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 05:29 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 30, 2012 05:29 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 30, 2012 05:30 AM (niZvt)
I truly want to meet her drug dealer. He's getting her some primo shit.
And he's probably either out of town or in jail for her to come to this conclusion now.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, feeling all extra curmudgeony today at March 30, 2012 05:30 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Stephen at March 30, 2012 05:31 AM (uhPd1)
Posted by: David Brooks at March 30, 2012 05:31 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: Stephen at March 30, 2012 05:31 AM (uhPd1)
Posted by: Stephen at March 30, 2012 05:32 AM (uhPd1)
Posted by: Bill from AR at March 30, 2012 05:32 AM (e8kgV)
Count this fool (Ms. Noonan) as among the people who never even ASKED the questions:
1) Just what the hell is a "community organizer"? and
2) How is that a real job?
3) How does never being in charge of so much as a Cub Scout troop make anybody think you'd be a good POTUS?
Posted by: Optimizer at March 30, 2012 05:32 AM (As94z)
Posted by: dagny at March 30, 2012 05:32 AM (CMM9V)
Posted by: Buzz at March 30, 2012 05:33 AM (3cM9S)
Or if you paid half of your winnings in taxes and invested the remaining roughly $270 million in tax-free municipal bonds earning 3%, you would get about $8 million a year in interest
Or I could actually start alextopia. Mwahahahahahahahahahaha.
I need a good design for the flag, mayhap a weeping hippie rampant on a field of blood.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 05:34 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: dagny at March 30, 2012 05:35 AM (CMM9V)
NO! NO HE DOESN'T! He's been devious and dishonest since day one, you idiot! You were just too stupid or starstruck or whatever to see it.
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"Whatever" in this case = white guiltified.
Posted by: kallisto at March 30, 2012 05:35 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Killerdog at March 30, 2012 05:35 AM (5hKvv)
Posted by: srdem65 at March 30, 2012 05:36 AM (FKok1)
The Magic Negro is a figure of postmodern folk culture, coined by snarky 20th century sociologists, to explain a cultural figure who emerged in the wake of Brown vs. Board of Education.
"He has no past, he simply appears one day to help the white protagonist."
Posted by: David Ehrenstein at March 30, 2012 05:36 AM (e8kgV)
Rampant? Why not dormant?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 05:36 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 30, 2012 05:37 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Jack at March 30, 2012 05:37 AM (zKFOT)
Posted by: Mr Pink at March 30, 2012 05:38 AM (K2IKF)
Posted by: Stephen at March 30, 2012 05:38 AM (uhPd1)
Posted by: badanov at March 30, 2012 05:38 AM (yTTAm)
Peggy is the woman that repeatedly believes, when dating an absolute scumbag, that he isn't lying when promising to pull out early or not climax in her mouth.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston would be forever alone without AoS at March 30, 2012 05:38 AM (KCvsd)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 05:39 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 05:39 AM (OlN4e)
Ace keeps telling people that they need to be inclusive toward the Obama voter, suggesting that a strategy of "you were lied to" is better than telling them they were idiots.
Everything you say after this is true, but that isn't the point. Winning is the point. It isn't about our egos.
Posted by: pep at March 30, 2012 05:39 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 30, 2012 09:25 AM (niZvt)
Well said. The only thing worse than an enemy is a false friend.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 30, 2012 05:39 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: kallisto at March 30, 2012 09:36 AM (jm/9g)
Come, come to NYC or DC and see the level of ghey. Then some of these women (I've known several) are shocked when their husbands turn up having a ghey lover or have been doing strangers for years in the bath house. All their gheydar is broken. Hence "pants' crease".
Posted by: dagny at March 30, 2012 05:40 AM (CMM9V)
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 30, 2012 05:40 AM (4tnQK)
Posted by: Jaws at March 30, 2012 05:40 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 30, 2012 05:40 AM (Ho2rs)
Mr Pink at March 30, 2012 09:38 AM (K2IKF)
yes, exactly!! after reading your post i am convinced more than ever to not vote for obama again. anger and degrading insults is the best way to get voters to leave obama.
Posted by: former obama voter at March 30, 2012 05:41 AM (TKF1Y)
Posted by: dagny at March 30, 2012 05:43 AM (CMM9V)
Posted by: chris not rock at March 30, 2012 05:43 AM (YLqOu)
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 30, 2012 05:43 AM (4tnQK)
I don't really care what happens to Peggy because her credibility is so damaged that nobody is listening. But yeah, play the inclusion game, because not doing so will make some voters conclude that Mitt is mean.
I don't have to like it, but I can tolerate it until November. Eyes on the prize.
Posted by: pep at March 30, 2012 05:43 AM (6TB1Z)
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I don't have the guts to post a pic to help these ladies out...(I'm at work, paranoid that the mothership is allowing me these random posts, but as soon as I access my image account, BAM down comes a hail of pink slips due to my violation.) There is such a perfect shot of him and Michelle - not even photoshopped. Someone would have to be really dense not to get it after seeing it.
Posted by: kallisto at March 30, 2012 05:44 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 05:45 AM (OlN4e)
Rampant? Why not dormant?
Well, I'm pondering adding a figure astride a unicorn impaling the hippie with a boot heel but that may be a bit much.
Also it's a Big Bang Theory reference.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 05:45 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: dagny at March 30, 2012 09:40 AM (CMM9V)
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Yikes. Makes me glad I'm just a hick yokel from flyover country.
Such stuff is a sure sign of cultural decadence. No wonder we can't seem to do anything about the barbarian invasion.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 30, 2012 05:45 AM (xUM1Q)
Welcome to the party, Peg!
Posted by: John McClane at March 30, 2012 05:45 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: dagny at March 30, 2012 05:45 AM (CMM9V)
Doubling-down on f*cking American taxpayers instead of providing relief.
Posted by: No_Limit_Tone_Def at March 30, 2012 05:47 AM (/ZZCn)
This. Welcome the voters, kick the media figures in the poon. Peggy should be on the side of the road with a sign that says Will Propagandize for Food.
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 05:48 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Mr Pink at March 30, 2012 05:48 AM (K2IKF)
Posted by: chas at March 30, 2012 05:48 AM (TKF1Y)
Let Peggy an others like her come around. Push on them and they might dig in like stubborn mules.
Posted by: forest at March 30, 2012 05:49 AM (7RBBe)
Posted by: Roy at March 30, 2012 05:49 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 30, 2012 05:51 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 05:51 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Stephen at March 30, 2012 05:52 AM (uhPd1)
After reading Noonan's article, I think this is what disturbs me the most.
She's almost begging for a reason to vote for Obama again- and that does deserve nothing but scorn and derision. The whole tone of her article is "If you'd just be less obvious about being deceptive, I could pretend still to believe you!"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 05:53 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: real joe at March 30, 2012 05:53 AM (w7Lv+)
Posted by: dagny at March 30, 2012 05:53 AM (CMM9V)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 05:53 AM (8y9MW)
That rara avis transmogrified into Lesser Shithawk before my very eyes!
Posted by: Chris Buckley, astute observer at March 30, 2012 05:54 AM (w/anX)
Posted by: Mr Pink at March 30, 2012 05:54 AM (K2IKF)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 30, 2012 05:54 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Stephen at March 30, 2012 09:52 AM (uhPd1)
The Financial Times is just to the left of the NY Times. The paper is nothing but left wing crap
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 30, 2012 05:54 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: nickless at March 30, 2012 05:55 AM (X7aC8)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 05:56 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: dagny at March 30, 2012 05:56 AM (CMM9V)
Posted by: Fritz at March 30, 2012 05:56 AM (/ZZCn)
"I think the fate of the United States will be Balkanization."
Probably, eventually.
The really galling thing about this trajectory is about Federalism. A finely-tuned system of Federalism among 50 different states with as little central interference as possible would have given the progs all the little socialist utopias they could populate (tough given teh ghey and rampant abortion, I know) but no - they gotta put their fingers in everybody's damn pie. Can't have a low tax/low reg state like TX showing up their opposite number in CA. Everyone's gotta pay. It's for the children, you know.
Posted by: Jaws at March 30, 2012 05:57 AM (4I3Uo)
It's White guilt -- pure and simple. If Obama had been lilly-white from Iowa he would have been eviscerated by these same pundits who bent over backwards to avoid being tarred with the racist brush by the people who throw great cocktail parties on the beltway.
I'm not sure who I hate more...the unrepentent liberals who still support Obama or the Republicans who were afraid.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 30, 2012 05:59 AM (nEUpB)
Actually this is a set up. Closer to the election folks like Peggy will talk about how Dingle-Barry has seen the light. How he has grown these last few months. She will be so proud of him.
Posted by: Dang at March 30, 2012 06:00 AM (BbX1b)
Posted by: Pecos, at March 30, 2012 06:00 AM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 06:00 AM (i6RpT)
Did any of us expect rocking anger and spitting rage at Obama from opinionaters? perhaps not, but how about the truth of His endorsement of Mr Wrights church of hate for years? how about using her skills to explain how His past activities might not have been a great idea as a Leader of the Free world?
we saw many extolled virtous republican commentators not defend the ideas of our group, but their infatuation over Obama 'gifts"
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 06:01 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: nickless at March 30, 2012 06:02 AM (X7aC8)
Communism is an inherently expansionist philosophy. As long as there is one neighboring State(country, whatever) that is not Communist, Communism requires the conquest of that entity. This is because- with very, very few exceptions, non-communist states are happier and richer than communist states. But Communism promises Utopia. But it can't be Utopia if there are people who have it better- so you have to conquer those people and subject them to the same misery as everyone else.
Real Federalism- staunchly and bravely defended- would spell the end of the Liberal Left in America- because it would be shown to be the complete fraud it is. Even with a strong central government, tramping on the rights of the States and the People, freer States put the lie to Liberalism.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:03 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: thunderb at March 30, 2012 06:03 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 06:05 AM (i6RpT)
"Obama increasingly comes across as devious and dishonest."
So now I have to say to Peggy:
Dudette - he's a Cook County hack, what did you expect? Did you actually believe he was the only virgin in that brothel?
You know, that line never gets old.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at March 30, 2012 06:06 AM (hLRSq)
Tears in my eyes as I read Iowahawk's latest long column from T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII. The whole thing is hilarious but I almost died when I read this:
'With this column I imagine my email inbox will soon be chockablock with lovely missives like, "hey, moran! I couldsa tolt y'all that dangity Obama was a commernist 2 hole yeers agoo!! Ima gessin I must be a hole lott smarter then yew with yore big smarty pants kollige words!! Hyuk hyuk hyuk!! Tea Party git r dun!!"'
The funny thing about this is that Noonan and her bunch probably really think this is how members of the Tea Party talk.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 30, 2012 06:06 AM (wMsKw)
squeal.
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 06:07 AM (TomZ9)
You know, for an otherwise smart woman, Peggy Noonan can be astoundingly stupid. Next she'll be saying she thinks this Obama fellow might just have been prevaricating when he promised hope and change.
F**k, stupid people aggravate me.
Maybe we should send her a t-shirt emblazoned with the following:
SCOAMT: (skoh-MM-tuh) n. 1) Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Tyrant. (example: "Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.")
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at March 30, 2012 06:07 AM (4df7R)
I could chip in $5.00 for that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:08 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Stephen at March 30, 2012 06:08 AM (uhPd1)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 06:09 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 30, 2012 06:10 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Roy at March 30, 2012 06:10 AM (bm4vI)
I could chip in $5.00 for that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 10:08 AM (8y9MW)
I bet if we put it up for sale on Cafe Press the Horde would make a small fortune. Enough to cover the cost of sending one to Noonan, David Brooks, and every other "conservative" pundit who thought it would be okay to give the SCOAMTOTUS a shot at the brass ring.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at March 30, 2012 06:11 AM (4df7R)
Yes, it's cathartic to enjoy the stupidity of the suckers that voted for Obama in 2008 now realizing that they were lied to.
But what's more important? Masturbating your ego or winning in November?
Just tell them that he is "incompetent".
Posted by: Jimbo at March 30, 2012 06:12 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 30, 2012 06:12 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Stephen at March 30, 2012 06:12 AM (uhPd1)
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WTF is that supposed to mean?
If you have to ask, you aren't in the club.
Posted by: T Codd at March 30, 2012 06:12 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Bob Saget at March 30, 2012 06:13 AM (SDkq3)
Posted by: nickless at March 30, 2012 06:13 AM (X7aC8)
Every time I think I couldn't loathe the sight of of Obama any more, I get proven wrong.
Like Andy posting that pic of Panama Jackoff up there.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 30, 2012 06:13 AM (4ZNCv)
Posted by: crosspatch at March 30, 2012 06:15 AM (ZbLJZ)
This is exactly what the head ewok said would happen. People don't want to admit that they were suckered (or in Noonan's case, willingly seduced) since that would be an admission of their own failures. Deep down they know that they bought a load of dung, they just don't want to be told that. So, blame it on Jugears.
And IMO we should feed their ego, "Yes, you were suckered, but you know that you can make up for that in November."
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 30, 2012 06:15 AM (JxMoP)
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WTF is that supposed to mean?
Posted by: dananjcon at March 30, 2012 10:10 AM (8ieXv)
Oh good. I'm glad I'm not the only one who read that and went, "...Huh?"
Peggy honey, Obama is coming across more and more as a lying pinko commie scumbag with delusions of grandeur and the emotional maturity of a three year-old. The difference between you and I is that this is not a surprise to me.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at March 30, 2012 06:16 AM (4df7R)
4. a person who alters his or her opinions on the grounds of expediency
Hahahaha! Really, Peg? The guy who famously stated his greatest political ability was that he came across as a blank slate (I denounce myself) upon which people could project their wishes, and you now pretend this is news?
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 30, 2012 06:16 AM (w/anX)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 30, 2012 06:16 AM (UpwlP)
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WTF is that supposed to mean?
A person who refines political views to accommodate the prevailing winds; particularly, one who contrives self-serving excuses for political views now generally recognized to have been stupid.
Posted by: Beto at March 30, 2012 06:16 AM (cYQg0)
"Uhhhh ... ok. You can read the rest of her reasoning, but, honestly, why bother?"
Actually, you should. She almost seems like a lib who is seeing the light.
And she doesn't think he can win again, unless the Republicans somehow blow it.
So there is that. Pretty good piece, actually.
Posted by: HH at March 30, 2012 06:16 AM (KB0hv)
I guess it was a feeling?
Posted by: dagny at March 30, 2012 06:17 AM (CMM9V)
Posted by: thunderb at March 30, 2012 06:17 AM (Dnbau)
the president is coming across more and more as a trimmer
I presumed it was a reference to trimming his sails.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:18 AM (VtjlW)
yes, exactly!! after reading your post i am convinced more than ever to not vote for obama again. anger and degrading insults is the best way to get voters to leave obama.
Posted by: former obama voter at March 30, 2012 09:41 AM (TKF1Y)
Well, logic doesn't work on some people, so sometimes drawing a line on perceived idiotic behavior gives some people the incentive to stay on the good side of it.
Posted by: Jimmy Joe Bob, Chairan, Bitter Clingers for Obama 2008 at March 30, 2012 06:18 AM (Aaxiu)
Posted by: Lauren at March 30, 2012 06:18 AM (PLael)
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WTF is that supposed to mean?
Posted by: dananjcon at March 30, 2012 10:10 AM (8ieXv)
It means that his pant crease isn't as sharp as it once was
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 30, 2012 06:19 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Beto at March 30, 2012 06:19 AM (cYQg0)
Ah-HAH! A trimmer as in "trimming the sails to make most effective use of the prevailing winds." Now I see.
....
That is still one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. How is this news? The SCOAMT can't go one day without saying one thing in one place and then saying the EXACT OPPOSITE somewhere else.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at March 30, 2012 06:19 AM (4df7R)
I wouldn't put it past Bibi to have given the SCOAMT their "secret" plans. As opposed to their actual secret plans. IYKWIM
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:20 AM (8y9MW)
I presumed it was a reference to trimming his sails.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 10:18 AM (VtjlW)
Manscaping. All the way.
Posted by: Kal Penn at March 30, 2012 06:20 AM (Aaxiu)
Posted by: nickless at March 30, 2012 06:20 AM (X7aC8)
Posted by: Lauren at March 30, 2012 10:18 AM (PLael)
I'd like to see Israel open up the flood gates on any and all dirt they have on that jagoff
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 30, 2012 06:20 AM (1Jaio)
Maybe Piggy thinks Osama Obama is now also a mohel.
Posted by: MrScribbler at March 30, 2012 06:20 AM (MQc8e)
I'm gonna tell you like it really is. Every election year these politicians are sent up here to pacify us! They're sent here and setup here by the White Man!
This is what they do!
They send drugs in Harlem down here to pacify us!
They send alcohol down here to pacify us!
They send prostitution down here to pacify us!
Why you can't even get drugs in Harlem without the White Man's permission!
You can't get prostitution in Harlem without the White Man's permission!
You can't get gambling in Harlem without the White Man's permission!
Every time you break the seal on that liquor bottle, that's a Government seal you're breaking!
Oh, I say and I say it again, ya been had!
Ya been took!
Ya been hoodwinked!
Bamboozled!
Led astray!
Run amok!
This is what He doesPosted by: GergS(Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 30, 2012 06:20 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: Jaws at March 30, 2012 06:20 AM (4I3Uo)
so did she like more the long time ideology of Obama better? is she disappointed in his not being so much more hard core than he already has been?
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 06:21 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: nickless at March 30, 2012 10:20 AM (X7aC
Where is that VanVoorhees chap?
Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at March 30, 2012 06:21 AM (Aaxiu)
I just don't have the heart to say "I told you so" to and laugh heartily at my good friend and so-called Registered Republican who voted for Barky. Yet.
We used to have such...animated...political discussions about it those first few months. As time pressed on, he wanted to talk less and less about politics. Hasn't even come up the last year.
Maybe now is a good time.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 06:22 AM (rX1N2)
I plan on turning on every light in the house, turning the heat up, and of course turning the air conditioning on.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 30, 2012 06:22 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Lauren at March 30, 2012 10:18 AM (PLael)
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I will gladly purchase Bibi a plane ticket to D.C. for the express purpose of doing that and only that.
I hate the SCOAMTOTUS.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at March 30, 2012 06:23 AM (4df7R)
Then I'd suggest starting at the last bar you passed and working backwards from there.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 30, 2012 06:23 AM (Qxdfp)
the one that spoke of cutting spending? closing gitmo, getting out of Afghanistan (the just war in Obama's mind) and iraq (unjust war)
spreading the wealth , sharing the pie?
i mean whut whut.
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 06:23 AM (TomZ9)
It was even more fun and therapeutic than I thought it would be.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:24 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 30, 2012 06:24 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Mr Pink at March 30, 2012 06:24 AM (K2IKF)
Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at March 30, 2012 06:24 AM (Aaxiu)
Posted by: Beto at March 30, 2012 06:24 AM (cYQg0)
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 09:51 AM (GTbGH)
Yep. She sure will. Holds on to her stupid harder than her money.
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 06:24 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: 66chevelle at March 30, 2012 06:25 AM (QjSgY)
But Peggy as of 2008 had on her resume advisor to past Presidents. She was in the same circle as National Review, whose David Freddoso put out "The Case Against Barack Obama". She had access to all the information we fucking morons in Ace's comments had. She's supposed to be smarter and better informed than we are.
So I repeat: Peggy, until and unless you put out a column explaining how you went so wrong, with a comprehensive apology, get bent.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 30, 2012 06:25 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 30, 2012 06:26 AM (8iMAD)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 30, 2012 06:26 AM (Ho2rs)
Take some comfort for if truth/reality/common sense/decency was on their side they would surely use it. The near total lack of it in any of their approaches says they are hollow and bankrupt.
Like when Reagan new the Soviets were lying about their economy, so he challenged them to a competition they couldn't compete in but their pride/past lies wouldn't let them back down from.
Posted by: Shiggz RocketSurgeon at March 30, 2012 06:26 AM (RfvTE)
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 06:27 AM (vJ9tV)
You'll soon lose her sycophantic sidekick and wannabe go-to (as opposed to over-the-hill) commentator, Kathleen Parker.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 30, 2012 06:27 AM (kqqGm)
Posted by: sTevo at March 30, 2012 06:27 AM (rJn84)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 30, 2012 06:27 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 30, 2012 06:28 AM (QTHTd)
Peggy Noonan wrote one good speech for Ronald Reagan (I say good, not great, because she swiped the punchline from another, much better writer) and has turned that into a career. She's quite happy to slam conservatives, even Reagan, whom she now professes to revere (remember her quip comparing Reagan's mind to the Western Front). She's an establishment hack, pure and simple, with all the naivete and narrowmindedness that that implies.
So, *of course* she swooned when a sharply creased, nice looking African-American, with some Ivy-League degrees and a smooth mid-Atlantic accent comes along.
*Of course* she overlooked his utter lack of experience, his being utterly untested, his complete lack of accomplishment in any area whatever, other than that of getting elected to office.
*Of course* she ignored his boorish behavior during the campaign: his giving people the finger in public, his snide remarks, his paper-thin skin (remember his blow-up over the "New Yorker" cover - one that was mocking his enemies).
*Of course* she ignored his abysmal taste: the president-elect seal, the styrofoam Grecian columns, the huge portraits of himself, the choirs of children chanting hymns in his praise.
*Of course* she overlooked his promise to roll back the very oceans themselves: things beyond the power of mortal man, let alone a politician.
*Of course* she overlooked his radical background: that, by his own admission, his career was launched in the kitchen of a man who had helped to plant a bomb in the US Capitol.
*Of course* she ignored the fact that he is the product of the most corrupt political machine in America.
And now, she professes herself surprised that this untried inexperienced corrupt narcissistic ideologue is proving to be a four-star fuck-up as president.
Me, I'm not surprised: either at Obama, or at the cluelessness of that rube Noonan. But being a charitable soul, I say welcome to the party, Peggy. Though it took you long enough to show up.
Posted by: Brown Line at March 30, 2012 06:28 AM (mAiSI)
She voted for Morgan Freeman (or maybe James Earl Jones) and got Spike Lee.
But she didn't notice until now?
Denial ain't just river in Egypt.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:28 AM (8y9MW)
@78 "Went to the gun range yesterday..."
Ah, yes...the deflowering ceremony. I had mine a decade ago. Now I'm a competition shooting, hardcore reloading, bullet casting, training class taking, 2A activist slut. Welcome!
Posted by: Jaws at March 30, 2012 06:28 AM (4I3Uo)
Now you know how God feels when he's hold a gun.
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 06:29 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 30, 2012 06:29 AM (Ho2rs)
Good stuff, but extremely dangerous for your wallet.
My suggestion? Buy a .22 target pistol. The ammo is incredibly cheap and it is great practice.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 30, 2012 06:30 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 10:27 AM (vJ9tV)
Well said, running. Your snark-fu is strong today.
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 06:30 AM (OlN4e)
Or how he was upset that MoDo, of all people, made mention of his ginormous ears.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 30, 2012 06:30 AM (8iMAD)
on palin and 'what does she stand for'
yet she was bamboozled. hmm..
BHere is a fact of life that is also a fact of politics: You have to hold open the possibility of magic. People can come from nowhere, with modest backgrounds and short résumés, and yet be individuals of real gifts, gifts that had previously been unseen, that had been gleaming quietly under a bushel, and are suddenly revealed. Mrs. Palin came, essentially, from nowhere. But there was a man who came from nowhere, the seeming tool of a political machine, a tidy, narrow, unsophisticated senator appointed to high office and then thrust into power by a careless Franklin D. Roosevelt, whose vanity told him he would live forever. And yet that limited little man was Harry S. Truman. Of the Marshall Plan, of containment. Little Harry was big. He had magic. You have to give people time to show what they have.
later...Because maybe they have magic toout we have seen Mrs. Palin on the national stage for seven weeks now, and there is little sign that she has the tools, the equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office. She is a person of great ambition, but the question remains: What is the purpose of the ambition? She wants to rise, but what for? For seven weeks I've listened to her, trying to understand if she is Bushian or Reaganite—a spender, to speak briefly, whose political decisions seem untethered to a political philosophy, and whose foreign policy is shaped by a certain emotionalism, or a conservative whose principles are rooted in philosophy, and whose foreign policy leans more toward what might be called romantic realism, and that is speak truth, know America, be America, move diplomatically, respect public opinion, and move within an awareness and appreciation of reality.
giggle, sheesh, sigh.
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 06:30 AM (TomZ9)
What was the gun you shot?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 30, 2012 06:31 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:31 AM (H/b/q)
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 10:24 AM (OlN4e)
Reminds me of her defending her defense of that preteen girl dancing squad video that looked like a Future Strippers of America exhibition dance. Tried some lame Dr. Spock self-esteem tack that just made the deep hole she was in even deeper.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 06:32 AM (rX1N2)
Yeah, I laid down more than $50.00 for yesterday's entertainment. That included range fee, a gun rental (until I've shot some more, I'm not shelling out for one of my own), and ammunition.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:32 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: jewells45 at March 30, 2012 06:32 AM (l/N7H)
I will confess, on January 21, 2009 I sat back and said "Maybe this won't be all that bad."
After all, we managed to work under Clinton. Those of you who lived through Carter will say it was hard, but you're still here. Maybe, Just Maybe, things won't go completely belly up. There are after all, only so many possible ways to screw up, and even a untrained monkey throwing poop in the Oval Office could avoid most of them.
I wasn't happy, but I wasn't stressed either I figured I'd go about my life, maybe get angry here and there about a decision or an action....
Boy was I wrong. I mean how do you possibly hit on every wrong step? Not get one possible thing right? (Obama-philes will eventually remind me "He Killed Bin Laden, so I guess he got one thing right." But if we're to believe the actual nature of that interaction it seems more like his cabinent finally told him to STFU and do something.) Economy: Bust, Foriegn policy: currently being run by some French NATO guy, tranformative politics: Racist.
Politics are liars, I get that, but usually they'll tack center at some point to save their own hides, this SCOAMF just keep going down the strange "I can make them love me again with cheap photo ops!" hole.
Posted by: tsrblke at March 30, 2012 06:32 AM (SYrwI)
I plan on turning on every light in the house, turning the heat up, and of course turning the air conditioning on.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 30, 2012 10:22 AM (nEUpB)
----
Last year I had all the electric ceiling heat on, and the AC, appliances, and everything else. Went out to see how fast the meter was spinning and it was going so fast it was squeaking.
Posted by: Jimmah at March 30, 2012 06:33 AM (UpwlP)
Posted by: thunderb at March 30, 2012 06:33 AM (Dnbau)
FNX-9.
Put 50 rounds through it. One of the things I had to teach myself was to square up to the target. I've done martial arts in the past, so my natural inclination is to present my left side to a target, but that didn't give me the control of the pistol that I needed.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:34 AM (8y9MW)
*
WTF is that supposed to mean?
A person who refines political views to accommodate the prevailing winds; particularly, one who contrives self-serving excuses for political views now generally recognized to have been stupid.
Posted by: Beto at March 30, 2012 10:16 AM (cYQg0)
**
Oh, OK...so a SCOAMF.
Posted by: dananjcon at March 30, 2012 06:34 AM (8ieXv)
Posted by: runningrn calling up Delilah at March 30, 2012 06:34 AM (vJ9tV)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 06:35 AM (uhPd1)
Noonanberg in 1931 [from Berlin]: What we really need in this Depression is a leader with magic. [blah blah] Someone not afraid to dig deep into our pre-Christian heritage and to put on some big rallies with torches. [blah blah blah]
Noonanberg in 1938 [from Buenos Aires]: Oh dear, I might have been a little hasty.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 30, 2012 06:36 AM (QTHTd)
Tomorrow is Al Gore's birthday (for all you liberals)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 06:36 AM (uhPd1)
Damn. She can't even admit to being wrong without insulting everyone who disagreed with her when she was wrong.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 30, 2012 06:36 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 10:32 AM (rX1N2)
I missed that. Can't say I'm sorry about that. I think that show "Toddlers and Tiaras" is just plain kiddy porn lite. I cannot even stand to flick by it. Makes me feel somehow dirty just hitting on the show while channel surfing.
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 06:36 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 30, 2012 06:36 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 30, 2012 06:37 AM (r2PLg)
How dare the most eloquent of speakers, evah, in the WH and history of the nation...a black man!!eleventy!! not include them?
Kathleen Parker, has been (starred with pervert who endorses prostitutes and wears black socks---even that move did not help her) did hitch a ride--while probably also hitching her skirt--on a campaign flight with The Won, if I recall. But that may have been as close as she got to swooning over his jugness. David Brooks did get to touch the crease in Barry's pants. But Dame Noonan? Not sure if she got access, and she is bummed, and it is your fault that this intelligent preznit is not as popular and uniting this country as he ingests poppers and blows rainbow butterflies out his bazooka. Anyway, thus the sucking on lemons and gradual awakening that WE WERE ALL RIGHT. Love it.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky: ABO 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:37 AM (baL2B)
=============
Ann is not a conservative.
And she is going to vote for Obama again.
Posted by: jimmuy at March 30, 2012 06:37 AM (kSaUf)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 30, 2012 06:37 AM (QTHTd)
*
*
If I win, I'll bet New Zealand would relax its immigration policies to let me in. Especially if I invested heavily in EnZed bonds and stuff.
I know, if you buy a ticket your chance of winning is 1 in 470 million or something. But you know what your chance of winning is if you don't buy a ticket? ZERO.
(Yeah, I'll wait until after November to move. I'll vote against Obambi and then arrive down in EnZed for their summer! Win-win!)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 30, 2012 06:38 AM (exvgC)
I think that show "Toddlers and Tiaras" is just plain kiddy porn lite. I cannot even stand to flick by it. Makes me feel somehow dirty just hitting on the show while channel surfing.
Toddles and Tiaras makes me want to become a serial killer who targets those kids' parents. No jury would ever ever convict me.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:38 AM (VtjlW)
I had an instructor tell me to put my left foot slightly forward and, for me, it helped a surprising amount.
I'd go more often if the budget stretched to more ammo.
Posted by: Retread at March 30, 2012 06:39 AM (joSBv)
@216
One thing I love about handguns is how few marksmanship principles there are versus long range rifle shooting, yet just how easy it is to miss at startingly close ranges if you let your attention lapse.
It's why I love movies where the bad guy is jumping off some object, prostrate in mid air - scoring perfect headshots on (presumably) well-trained federal agents in good solid stances who can't seem to hit the broadside of a barn.
Cracks me up everytime.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 06:39 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 06:40 AM (WkuV6)
Our son posted on Facebook yesterday that a friend of his was killed by an IED blast day before yesterday, and two friends are severely wounded.
He hasn't responded to e-mails in nearly two weeks, which means he's on a convoy.
I just want to get the hell out of Vegas and go home.
Dammit.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 30, 2012 06:40 AM (PJ+vx)
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 06:41 AM (GTbGH)
Shooting is fun. I know a guy who belonged to a gub club. He left because of the politics and he said the people were too right wing.
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 06:41 AM (uhPd1)
So the stupid scrunt Noonan trips and falls in the ocean and discovers it's wet.
Thanks Peggy, good to know. What other amazing revelations do have for us and why the hell does the Wall Street Journal pay you for the drivel you write?
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 30, 2012 06:41 AM (6BgmB)
Posted by: Mr Pink at March 30, 2012 06:41 AM (K2IKF)
Posted by: Dawn Moody-Blues at March 30, 2012 06:42 AM (KZi9D)
Posted by: bergerbilder at March 30, 2012 06:42 AM (j+Izh)
Tomorrow is Al Gore's birthday (for all you liberals)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 10:36 AM (uhPd1)
Dear Dan...hate to break it to you, but it was established the other day during a moron poetry session that this great poobah may have gone to a carbon offset ozone layer. He is cut free from the weight of the world and has found his seventh chakra. So, no more birthdays for his massive footprint. We thought you knew?
Posted by: ChristyBlinky: ABO 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:42 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 30, 2012 10:28 AM (QTHTd)
There's that, but she helped bring about Obama in the larger picture. She'll have to do a whole lot more to fully redeem herself in my eyes.
Posted by: EC at March 30, 2012 06:43 AM (GQ8sn)
And she is going to vote for Obama again.
Posted by: jimmuy at March 30, 2012 10:37 AM (kSaUf)
Has she actually said it yet? I've always been in the camp that knew she would do it again too, but I haven't been over there in awhile.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 06:43 AM (rX1N2)
"I don't even give him credit for allowing the bin Ladin mission. That was a fucking 10 year operation, part of the "8 years of failed policies blah blah". Also, the only response to that is "they dragged the guy off a golf course to tell him they located bin Ladin, can you name one person in the country that wouldn't have said ok do it?"
Why teh Eff is everyone looking at me?
Posted by: Slick Willy Clinton at March 30, 2012 06:43 AM (vJ9tV)
Posted by: whats next at March 30, 2012 06:43 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 30, 2012 06:43 AM (UpwlP)
If I had more experience (and, therefore, better 'muscle memory') that would probably work for me, too. But I found I needed the stability that squaring up provided.
there is some wisdom in presenting a smaller profile to the other guy.
Yeah, it being my first time, I'm not to terribly concerned with that.
It's like when I was taking martial arts (mostly tae kwan do, but I've also done some karate) they always start teaching you from a front-facing stance (usually 'horse stance' or something similar) you don't move to a "fighting stance" until you've mastered some of the basics.
I'm kind of going on that theory with my shooting.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:44 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: cherry at March 30, 2012 06:44 AM (OhYCU)
Has she actually said it yet? I've always been in the camp that knew she would do it again too, but I haven't been over there in awhile.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 10:43 AM (rX1N2)
Yeah, she actually said it.
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 06:45 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Hayabusa at March 30, 2012 06:45 AM (wG0z7)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 06:45 AM (WkuV6)
Tomorrow is Al Gore's birthday (for all you liberals)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 10:36 AM (uhPd1)
Dang it now I have to go comb the local ghetto and pick up a tire to burn in celebration.
Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2012 06:47 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 10:45 AM (OlN4e)
Wow. I'm surprised to find out that I want to hear her undoubtedly poor reasoning for it. I never went over there for her shitty opinions anyway. I just like the stupid lefties and some of the regular commenters.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 06:48 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at March 30, 2012 06:48 AM (M0NzJ)
"Dear Dan...hate to break it to you, but it was established the other day during a moron poetry session that this great poobah may have gone to a carbon offset ozone layer. He is cut free from the weight of the world and has found his seventh chakra. So, no more birthdays for his massive footprint. We thought you knew?"
Shuffled off the Carbon Coil, sob!
To the great Solar Panel in the Sky.
Off to receive his well deserved green crown in Glory.
I shall miss Algore.
Posted by: Jose Canseco, Poet Laueate at March 30, 2012 06:49 AM (vJ9tV)
Posted by: cherry at March 30, 2012 06:49 AM (OhYCU)
My disdain isn't for moderates who are coming over, its for conservatives who stabbed us in the back. Fuck them.
Posted by: DanInMN at March 30, 2012 06:49 AM (XqeyF)
Posted by: LibertyAtStake at March 30, 2012 06:50 AM (l7gWx)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 06:51 AM (uhPd1)
"Your range probably won't let you"
Most indoor ranges won't let you do much more than stand still and pop off one round every 2 seconds max. That's fine for basic marksmanship, but God forbid you end up in a fight, the chances of squaring up in a perfect stationary isocoles stance, etc. are approaching nil. Moving your ass out of there is paramount. That's the real value in training classes and competitions like IDPA and USPSA. You learn to move and shoot under time pressure.
Posted by: Jaws at March 30, 2012 06:51 AM (4I3Uo)
Oh, screw it. I'll have what Peggy's having.
I know what she's having (and where). You want no part of that.
Posted by: MacGruber at March 30, 2012 06:51 AM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 06:51 AM (uhPd1)
In re Peggy Noonan & the whole "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" phenomenon - there's a really profound new post, over at iSteve, about precisely this sort of thing:
LINK: bit.ly/H2Trmp
"Black women used to work as servile maids, and so whites decided to reward Oprah, an independent woman, with billions. But, her liberated role is really as a neo-maid. Good for nothing else, she massages 'white guilt' and makes whites feel good. She's indeed the most highly paid maid in the world.
And Obama is really like the black chauffer who is driven around by others. But he chauffers around white liberal guilt and self-regard as do-gooders.
Oprah's maidness and Obama's chaufferness have gone from the literal to the metaphysical. They don't actually practice those roles physically but still do so psychologically."
Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 30, 2012 06:52 AM (F5Rm1)
The Pussy Pundits
Posted by: one who yells pussy at March 30, 2012 06:52 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 06:52 AM (uhPd1)
Posted by: jewells45 at March 30, 2012 06:53 AM (l/N7H)
Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 30, 2012 06:53 AM (F5Rm1)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at March 30, 2012 06:54 AM (p7SSh)
Semi auto pistols are fun but you're right can be spendy to shoot. Not sure if you have acess to some land to spend the day shooting or not. But I have a black powder rifle and pistol (Ruger Old Navy). They are a lot cheaper to shoot since the ritual process of loading takes time. That and the smoke makes it more fun for some reason to me.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 30, 2012 06:54 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 06:54 AM (uhPd1)
This is why I don't hang out at Sailer's place and especially don't read the comments.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 30, 2012 06:54 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 06:55 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: GKChesterton at March 30, 2012 06:55 AM (e2csJ)
The range I went to offers classes ranging from their "Basic Handgun" to a CHL class, up to a "Defensive Handgun" (or something like that) class. Their range is also good for pistols and rifles (on guy had an AR-15 he was shooting while I was there). They apparently allow shotguns, but now they charge an extra fee for that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:55 AM (8y9MW)
Let Peggy an others like her come around. Push on them and they might dig in like stubborn mules.
--- And they might be the sort of people most able to bring others along with them. Come on in i say the waters warn. At least it is within 8 inches of me.
Posted by: Ted Striker at March 30, 2012 06:57 AM (SO2Q8)
I saw this motherfucker coming a mile away- I will never understand why so many supposedly 'smart' people did not
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 30, 2012 06:57 AM (8sCoq)
Cause he's a bullshit artist, Peggy.
Posted by: Jimbo at March 30, 2012 06:58 AM (O3R/2)
Got a family farm out in Eastland, TX (which, ironically, is in West Texas). We shoot skeet out there from time to time.
I've shot black powder- I'm not a huge fan.
when the other guy has a gun as well the old boot camp training -- get your dick in the dirt -- has a lot of wisdom.
That's true. But, until I'm actually proficient, the best thing for me to do is not get in that situation. Well, that's always the best thing to do, but you get my point.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:58 AM (8y9MW)
"broad, stable, nonradical, non-birther right"
So.... the ones criticizing up until now have been narrow, unstable, radical birthers. And now that Noonan's finally joined the party, Obama's critics finally include totally reasonable people. Gotcha.
Posted by: Average Jen at March 30, 2012 06:58 AM (Y4H6x)
Well, I say! He always struck me more as being a cad and a bounder, Dame NaNuNaNoonan!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at March 30, 2012 06:59 AM (lce0m)
Have always found that starting a novice shooter in the actual mechanics of shooting works best with a small caliber handgun-.22 is ideal here. No concern about recoil, hence no distraction.
Of course, none of this takes place until familiarization with the concept of safe shooting happens.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 30, 2012 06:59 AM (SAMxH)
What does Trayvon's picture have to do with this thread?
What does anything the Horde comments on have to do with the thread the comment is a part of?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 06:59 AM (VtjlW)
"This is why I don't hang out at Sailer's place and especially don't read the comments."
There's an awful lot of good information just waiting to be digested over at iSteve.
And, by and large, some refreshingly honest exchanges of opinion.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 30, 2012 06:59 AM (F5Rm1)
Posted by: jewells45 at March 30, 2012 10:53 AM (l/N7H)
Thank you. I'm heartsick for him that he's already lost a friend over there, and another one may die.
I hate his CiC with the heat of a million suns. And I equally hate anyone who voted for the SCOAMF and hasn't seen the light. Fuck them all.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 30, 2012 07:00 AM (PJ+vx)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at March 30, 2012 07:00 AM (p7SSh)
"The constitutional law professor from the University of Chicago didn't
notice the centerpiece of his agenda was not constitutional? How did
that happen?"
***
Kinda makes you want to see his grades now, don't it Peggs?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 07:00 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 07:00 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Joe "YOU LIE!' Wilson at March 30, 2012 07:00 AM (RJyPz)
I truly believe that Joe Biden will be the last one to turn off the lights. From ABC news:
"Vice President Joe Biden today assured a group of campaign donors in Wisconsin that Republican criticism of President ObamaÂ’s leadership style doesnÂ’t match up with what heÂ’s witnessed firsthand.
“I’ve watched him make decisions that would make another man or woman’s hair curl,” Biden told the crowd of 150 inside the Italian Community Center in Milwaukee, according to a pool reporter on scene.
Biden, who has said he’s the last man in the room with Obama before a tough call, often attests that his boss has a “backbone like a ramrod.”
And today he said that mettle — and the “serious problems” Obama faced upon taking office — put the president in a class of his own.
“I think I can say … no president, and I would argue in the 20th century and including now the 21st century, has had as many serious problems which are cases of first-instance laid on his table,” Biden said. “Franklin Roosevelt faced more dire consequences, but in a bizarre way it was more straightforward.”
The vice president claimed that the complexity of the 2008 financial crisis presented challenges in a way the Great Depression of 80 years ago did not.
Biden also discussed the decision by Obama to authorize a covert raid into Pakistan to kill or capture Osama bin Laden, noting that nearly the entire national security team — including Biden — advised against the raid. Obama made the call anyway.
The only one on the team who agreed with the president, said Biden, was then-CIA director Leon Panetta.
“Nobody but one person in that entire apparatus said go,” Biden said."
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 07:01 AM (vJ9tV)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 07:01 AM (WkuV6)
So did white women, scrunt. The most commonly known form was the "Irish girl" in the northeast in the 19th century, but that's how my grandmother paid her way through high school in the early 20th century: cleaning a rich family's house (and burning the toast just the way her employer's husband liked it, the story went).
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 30, 2012 07:01 AM (ZKzrr)
True. I got about 10 minutes of basic instruction (for free, no less) since I was a first time shooter. I practiced that stuff on the range, too.
Speaking of- I never realized how much effort went into loading a handgun magazine. My thumb still feels like it's pressing a bullet down and into the magazine.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 07:01 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Jaws at March 30, 2012 07:01 AM (4I3Uo)
Of course, none of this takes place until familiarization with the concept of safe shooting happens.
The first thing I was ever taught when I was taught to shoot is never point a gun at anything you don't want to kill. I maintain that's the best piece of advice about using a gun I've ever heard.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 07:01 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 07:02 AM (uhPd1)
Posted by: Sherlock at March 30, 2012 07:02 AM (8ra42)
Posted by: jeff at March 30, 2012 07:02 AM (Kt7pr)
Bam. Threadwinner.
Whatever Noonan wakes up deciding that day is moderate-conservative and Good, because otherwise, Noonan wouldn't consider it.
Noonan hasn't changed one bit.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 30, 2012 07:03 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Jim Ryan at March 30, 2012 07:04 AM (bnGIe)
Jane, prayers for you, your son, and your son's friend. I am so sorry that your son has to serve under a CinC who is sooo not up to the task. It's why we need to do everything humanly possible to get this SCOAMF out of office!
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 07:04 AM (vJ9tV)
Posted by: DC in Towson at March 30, 2012 07:04 AM (I/cLr)
Posted by: minuteman (formerly trainer) until Juggy is gone at March 30, 2012 07:04 AM (Rojyk)
At the public range (I think they have a private one for their classes) the answers are: probably, no, no, and yes. There's not room to go prone or move laterally, I don't think they'd know or care if you shot through a jacket, though, and they don't check your ammunition- you can bring and shoot whatever you want, ammunition wise.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 07:04 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 07:05 AM (uhPd1)
Jane, prayers for you, your son, and your son's friend. I am so sorry that your son has to serve under a CinC who is sooo not up to the task. It's why we need to do everything humanly possible to get this SCOAMF out of office!
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 11:04 AM (vJ9tV)
Thanks. I'm heartbroken for him. I'm also scared to death for him.
Just want to get the hell out of Vegas (conference is over today) and back home. Thank God I haven't had to be anywhere near Moochelle and the brats.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 30, 2012 07:06 AM (PJ+vx)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 07:06 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Mr Pink at March 30, 2012 10:41 AM (K2IKF)
Well I don't either, I addressed it in the post. I have even less faith, some accounts suggested we has going to say no until the cabinent rammed it down his throat.
In any case, Me=psuedo-Philosopher, taught to address your opponent's arguments in yours and cut them in two, if I didn't do that well enough let me try this again:
"Some will say he killed bin Laden, so he did one thing right. Let me put this to you simply. Thousands of thousands of people across a decade did many things right to get to that point. All the SCOAMF was nod his head, some accounts say he was reluctant to do that. So it's more like he didn't choose wrong than he "did right."
Better?
Posted by: tsrblke at March 30, 2012 07:06 AM (SYrwI)
Posted by: Malia on Vacay at March 30, 2012 07:07 AM (DATOZ)
Peggy Noonan is useless. That's why the Left likes her.
Noonan carefully protects her cluelessness.....so that she can be 'surprised' when she can no longer ignore the Truth, after it has hit her in the face.
Posted by: wheatie at March 30, 2012 07:07 AM (dEMjC)
Right now? A broadsword. Once I can sink some money into this shooting thing, I'll actually have a nice collection of long guns- weapons inherited from my Grandfather (my brothers and cousins didn't want them), as well as a Remington 870 (I think?) pump action my brother doesn't want anymore. In addition to whatever handgun I pick.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 07:08 AM (8y9MW)
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No, not yet. But, she is still on the tail end of the "how do I rationalize what I know is stupid and wrong but I want to do it anyway" phase.
Between years 2 and 3 of the JEF, she would post stuff critical of him and of Democrats in particular. But, there has been a subtle shift in the last 4 or 5 months. You wouldn't know it unless you were actively suspicious of her. Perhaps, it started with her notion that the JEF really wanted to lose on Obamacare because she calculates it'll be a net plus for him as he can spin it to a campaign point. It really accelerated over the Fluke's Love Hovel business where she got out in front of that and made a point to howl that the GOP was mean and wrong. But, removing any doubt was her post about the JEF's response to Treyvon--some bullshit about how "he'd look like my son" was shrewd, thoughtful, "just the right tone" and careful for a response.
Yes. That [spit] one is going to vote for the JEF. She has already decided that, she is just looking for a proper fig leaf.
Posted by: jimmuy at March 30, 2012 07:08 AM (kSaUf)
Posted by: jewells45 at March 30, 2012 07:08 AM (l/N7H)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 07:09 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 07:09 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: jewells45 at March 30, 2012 11:08 AM (l/N7H)
I'm with ya. I just wonder how Barry and his evil minions will keep the troops from voting this year. I know the majority hate him.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 30, 2012 07:10 AM (PJ+vx)
"I saw this motherfucker coming a mile away- I will never understand why so many supposedly 'smart' people did not"
Again, read that new post over at iSteve - it was tailor-made for skirts who think with their c*nts, like our Ms Noonan:
"Black women used to work as servile maids, and so whites decided to reward Oprah, an independent woman, with billions. But, her liberated role is really as a neo-maid. Good for nothing else, she massages 'white guilt' and makes whites feel good. She's indeed the most highly paid maid in the world.
And Obama is really like the black chauffer who is driven around by others. But he chauffers around white liberal guilt and self-regard as do-gooders.
Oprah's maidness and Obama's chaufferness have gone from the literal to the metaphysical. They don't actually practice those roles physically but still do so psychologically."
To me, the big question is whether this ENTIRE PHENOMENON was intentionally engineered [by the likes of the Frankfurt School, and their allies in the media & the financial world & academia] precisely so as to get skirts like Noonan all wet between the legs.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 30, 2012 07:10 AM (F5Rm1)
"the media the financial world academia" = the media AMPERSAND the financial world AMPERSAND academia
Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 30, 2012 07:10 AM (F5Rm1)
Posted by: Cicero at March 30, 2012 07:11 AM (IRUIh)
I have a Heckler and Koch Model HK 300 rifle that is a .22 magnum, and it is a tack driver.
The Ruger Super Single Six comes with cylinders for .22 lr, and .22 magnum. Kind of cool.
Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 30, 2012 07:11 AM (NVu2l)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 07:12 AM (rX1N2)
"Black women used to work as servile maids
So did white women, scrunt. The most commonly known form was the "Irish girl" in the northeast in the 19th century, but that's how my grandmother paid her way through high school in the early 20th century: cleaning a rich family's house (and burning the toast just the way her employer's husband liked it, the story went)."
My mom (who's second generation Japanese, Nisei) cleaned houses to pay for college. My dad (also Nisei) was your stereotypical Japanese gardener and in ROTC to pay for college and grad school. They were also interned at Minidoka during WWII. I grew up to believe that no one ever owed me anything and if I wanted to succeed, I had to work hard and be willing to do whatever it took to achieve. My parents drilled into me that no job was beneath me (my worst job ever was as a nurse's aide in a nursing home in college, I cleaned up a lot of poop and changed a lot of soiled beds). I am sick and tired of people using race or the subjugation and mistreatment of their ancestors to entitle them benefits today. I am also fricking sick of people demanding "justice" for the past egregious sins that America committed. If these asshats hate it here so much, they need to return to their countries of origin and see how well off they would be their ancestors not been enslaved.
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 07:12 AM (vJ9tV)
Posted by: Jaws at March 30, 2012 07:13 AM (4I3Uo)
Yes a gunsafe is really just a more secure toolbox.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 30, 2012 07:13 AM (tf9Ne)
Black women used to work as servile maids
So did white women, scrunt. The most commonly known form was the "Irish girl" in the northeast in the 19th century, but that's how my grandmother paid her way through high school in the early 20th century: cleaning a rich family's house (and burning the toast just the way her employer's husband liked it, the story went).
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 30, 2012 11:01 AM (ZKzrr)
My Irish grandmother did the same thing. Minus burning the toast. Maybe that's why the Kennedys are so popular with the left. Because of the Irish servants they had
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 30, 2012 07:13 AM (1Jaio)
We (the US) wouldn't sell them any. Ha ha ha.
Posted by: Jimbo at March 30, 2012 07:13 AM (O3R/2)
would Peggy call herself names , hillbilly , vulgar, a person of questionable character to realize Obama has lied?
She would improve in my eyes if she actually admitted They : Brooks, Frum were the people responsible for having something in their eyes and it wasn't the truth or knowledge of Obama, You'd think they would be horribly embarrassed but not being able to come to terms with Obamas actual lurid past. To willlfully have ignored it all . , so that their voices were o so pragmatic and fair.
to everyone but their own readers and constituents.
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 07:13 AM (TomZ9)
An excellent close-quarters weapon. You don't even have to aim it, just point in their general direction and blast away. Hell, even the sound of racking it will make your victim piss his pants.
Posted by: EC at March 30, 2012 07:13 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 07:14 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Peggy at March 30, 2012 07:14 AM (OhYCU)
It comforts me to know that in a newspaper's comments section the prevailing opinion is Peggy is late to the party, just discovering what we have all known for years. And they are downright enraged at Obama.
Posted by: Miss Marple at March 30, 2012 07:15 AM (GoIUi)
"So did white women, scrunt."
Right, but the Frankfurt School and their allies in Hollyweird didn't just spend the last century lionizing the white women who worked as maids.
Rather, they spent the last century canonizing the likes of Hattie McDaniel as "Mammy".
And my gut is telling me that the entire phenomenon was a very carefully groomed century-long exercise in PsyOps, by the Frankfurt School, precisely so as to groom the wet-between-the-legs reaction in skirts like Peggy Noonan when confronted with the emergence of a Barack Hussein "Sidney Poitier" Obama.
Which is to say: My gut is telling me that all of this was planned a good 75 or 100 years ago, but some very - really profoundly - evil psychiatrists and psychologists in the Frankfurt School [and their allies in Hollyweird and in the financial sector and in academia].
Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 30, 2012 07:15 AM (F5Rm1)
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 11:12 AM (vJ9tV)
That was truly a shameful episode in American History. Shameful.
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 07:15 AM (OlN4e)
I love that sound.
Hmmm... methinks I need to buy some ammunition and some clay pidgeons...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 07:15 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 07:16 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Cicero at March 30, 2012 07:16 AM (IRUIh)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 07:16 AM (Z9EHQ)
Peggy: the bell tolls for thee. Thou are irreverent in the eyes of conservatives. Retire thy pen and don't buy any more ink. Thou had a choice, and thy personal choice was blinded by spin and dreams and unicorns (and possibly fueled by sloe gin fizz).
Posted by: ChristyBlinky: ABO 2012 at March 30, 2012 07:17 AM (baL2B)
And as for Peggy, just go away.
Posted by: Theresa at March 30, 2012 07:18 AM (rKcyp)
Posted by: jeannebodine at March 30, 2012 07:19 AM (byR8d)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 11:15 AM (8y9MW)
* Slingblade voice on *
Mmmmm...hmmmm...yessir...my daddy told me racking a pump-shottie is the easiest way to discourage would-be burglars from doing something stupid in your house.
I've got a Mossberg 500 myself.
Posted by: EC at March 30, 2012 07:19 AM (GQ8sn)
No, you most certainly do have to aim it. They don't work like in the movies where you get a 1 foot pattern from 10 feet away.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 30, 2012 07:19 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 07:20 AM (Z9EHQ)
"An excellent close-quarters weapon. You don't even have to aim it, just point in their general direction and blast away. Hell, even the sound of racking it will make your victim piss his pants."
Yes, No, NO, and hell no! Especially at cross-room distances, the pattern on a 12ga won't spread much. Fist sized maybe. Since you're responsible for every pellet leaving the bore and a OO pellet will easily pass thru your walls and into the neighbor's house, I'd strongly suggest you get that front sight bead squarely on Mr. 3am Homey Invader's chest.
Posted by: Jaws at March 30, 2012 07:20 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 07:20 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 07:20 AM (uhPd1)
Again, I must point out that Barry was not even a National Merit Semi-Finalist. The issue of his raw intelligence is settled.
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 07:20 AM (GTbGH)
I've used a .22 for "keeping the edge" for years. It's cheap and does just as well as shooting something ( my .45ACP) that eats expensive ammo.
Don't worry too much about home intrusion in my particular area, the possibility exists, but the probability is quite slim. So unless tshtf, I rely on keeping the Colt on the bedstand, loaded.
But I WOULD be keeping the Ithaca with the slug barrel handy if it were necessary.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 30, 2012 07:20 AM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 30, 2012 11:19 AM (SY2Kh)
How short is your barrel?
hehehe....
Posted by: EC at March 30, 2012 07:20 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky: ABO 2012
at March 30, 2012 11:17 AM
(baL2B)
sloe gin fizz. may i just say yum.
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 07:20 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at March 30, 2012 07:21 AM (ursbV)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 30, 2012 07:22 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 07:22 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 07:22 AM (OlN4e)
Mmmmm...hmmmm...yessir...my daddy told me racking a pump-shottie is the easiest way to discourage would-be burglars from doing something stupid in your house.
Omg. I was trapped next to a crazy guy on the flight out (as usual) who sounded Exactly. Like. Slingblade. He introduced himself as "Memphis" and muttered to himself as we approached the runway, "mmmm hmmmm....360,000 movin' parts right under us.....mmmm hmmmm 120, 150, 200 miles per hour.....mmmm hmmmm." I was practically sitting in D'oh's lap at that point.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 30, 2012 07:22 AM (PJ+vx)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 30, 2012 07:22 AM (UpwlP)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 30, 2012 07:23 AM (YbQJm)
Ok, I'm going to reclassify uhpd1 to Moby. Seems pretty new at it, but doing a passable job.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 07:23 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 07:23 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: cherry at March 30, 2012 07:23 AM (OhYCU)
The Express is a lesser quality, but adequate. The Police 12ga is still teh primo.
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 07:23 AM (GTbGH)
Wanna know why?
Paul Ryan has endorsed Romney.
The liquor safe has been unlocked and the phones disconnected.
Posted by: jimmuy at March 30, 2012 07:24 AM (kSaUf)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 30, 2012 07:24 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 07:24 AM (Z9EHQ)
Mossberg 500 replacement shotgun barrels are good...you can customise the shotgun for the situation.Change barrel length, bore size and choke. I like the home security model.
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 07:24 AM (uhPd1)
"I go back and forth on the question. maybe yes, maybe no. if it was engineered by the likes of those mentioned it was a terrible mistake. I think having the frankfurt school become more widely know and discussed than ever, along with critical race theory is a horrible thing for their movements. additionally, having things go as they have, especially lately, is making a huge draw on the well of good will extended to african Americans throughout society. replacing zero is not enough to replenish the well, now we are going to have a conversation"
But the folks in the Frankfurt School have no more regard for the best interests of Black Americans than they had for the best interests of Ukrainian Russians, right before they instituted the Holodomor and murdered 10 million of them.
You just cannot misunderestimate quite how evil these people are.
We're talking Peter Singer, calling for the institutionalized murder of infants, and Ezekiel Emmanuel, calling for the institutionalized murder of old people.
They are the most evil people who have ever walked the face of the earth.
Which, again, is why my gut is now telling me that they - very quietly and very patiently and very stubbornly - spent about a century inculcating Americans in this bizarre psycho-sexual milieu within which a Peggy Noonan would get all wet between the legs at the sight of the emergence of a Barack Hussein "Sidney Poitier" Obama.
Again: You cannot misunderestimate their evil, nor can you misunderestimate the amoral depths which they will plumb in order to force their will upon a society.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 30, 2012 07:25 AM (F5Rm1)
Posted by: the Butcher at March 30, 2012 07:25 AM (8g9qq)
Oh, to never have to fly commercial and put up with TSA goons again.
And just imagine being worth more than Barry and Moochelle.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 30, 2012 07:25 AM (PJ+vx)
Are you sure D'oh didn't pay the guy to sit next to you? Because if I knew that would work with Mrs. Tenther next time we were on a plane- I'd probably do it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 07:26 AM (8y9MW)
Just for houskeeping purposes, it has been 1,185days since dear leader has bestowed his awesomeness upon us.
Posted by: dananjcon at March 30, 2012 07:26 AM (8ieXv)
Offering bounties is a community organizer's outreach program. I'm pretty sure that is the opionion of Justice Department. It becomes protected political speach. So lets raise a bounty on something. Any ideas?
Posted by: Sub-Tard at March 30, 2012 07:26 AM (ursbV)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6s48ucz
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 30, 2012 07:26 AM (Hx5uv)
Shit...I can't decide who got it worse under the Japanese, the Chinese or Filipinos. We hear about what they did in China, but some of the stories I read about what they did to the Filipinos makes me ill. I think they are beyond what the Nazis did.
Posted by: EC at March 30, 2012 07:26 AM (GQ8sn)
"That was truly a shameful episode in American History. Shameful."
The thing is, no one in my family (parents and all their sibs) is bitter about it. They all got out of camp, stopped going to Japanese school, assimilated, and strove to get educated (why there are so many Japanese professionals like doctors, dentists and engineers). My parents never talked about it. We didn't even know about it til my older sister, who was in 12th grade came home from school one day. She had a lesson about it, and she asked my parents if they knew anyone that was ever interned. My mom and dad just kind of looked at eachother and said "Why do you want to know that?"
There was real loss too (my dad especially experienced tremendous hardship because his dad was in the import/export timber business and worked for a Japanese company, so he was thrown in prison for being a spy, my dad's mom committed suicide because she thought that she had said something incriminating that got her husband sent to jail, my dad initially went to an orphanage and then his Uncle and Aunt took him in right before they went to camp).
It's funny, but the children of those who were interned (my generation, the Sansei) are the ones who made it into such a big deal. Their parents never talked about it, but they are the ones (and they are pretty much a monolithic block of Democrats) who are organizing Minidoka reunions and memorial services.
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 07:26 AM (vJ9tV)
I've used a .22 for "keeping the edge" for years. It's cheap and does just as well as shooting something ( my .45ACP) that eats expensive ammo.
Don't worry too much about home intrusion in my particular area, the possibility exists, but the probability is quite slim. So unless tshtf, I rely on keeping the Colt on the bedstand, loaded.
But I WOULD be keeping the Ithaca with the slug barrel handy if it were necessary.
Not a big worry for me, either...a would-be intruder would be set upon by a 75lb. bully-dog who takes no prisoners, giving me ample time to decide if I should use the .357 or the .45ACP to finish the bastard off.
Posted by: model_1066 at March 30, 2012 07:27 AM (YbQJm)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at March 30, 2012 07:27 AM (p7SSh)
Why don't we call them Letters of Marque and Reprisal and make it all legal-legal.
Posted by: EC at March 30, 2012 07:28 AM (GQ8sn)
"Zombie Shane -- if so, does that mean going forward their perceived "class guilt" is absolved through Obama's presidency and our collective $5T atonement and we can end all of the preferences, welfare, and subsidies."
The Frankfurt School will continue to use the Blacks as long as the Blacks are useful to the Frankfurt School.
But just as soon as the Blacks are no longer useful to the Frankfurt School, they will be dumped like so many hot potatoes, and the Frankfurt School will move on to some other group of tools: Homosexuals, or Mexicans, or maybe low caste [dot-not-feather] Indians?
Who knows.
All we do know is that it is impossible to misunderestimate the evil of these people.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 30, 2012 07:28 AM (F5Rm1)
Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2012 07:28 AM (7W3wI)
Shit...I can't decide who got it worse under the Japanese, the Chinese or Filipinos. We hear about what they did in China, but some of the stories I read about what they did to the Filipinos makes me ill. I think they are beyond what the Nazis did.
The Koreans didn't fare well under them either. The Japanese were badass bullies. They were not nice people. Part of it was the Shinto religion, they really thought they were superior to everyone else and that everyone else was subhuman. It would have been interesting if WWII would have played out differently. How would have ended for Hitler in the end? The Japanese would have eventually exterminated the Aryans. It's the way they rolled.
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 07:29 AM (vJ9tV)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 30, 2012 07:29 AM (UpwlP)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 07:29 AM (Z9EHQ)
has anybody that went weak in the knees for obama in 2008, but now regrets it, actually written the words or come right out and said
'I was wrong' ?
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 30, 2012 07:29 AM (8sCoq)
Replacement barrels sound like a good idea... until you price them. For a relatively inexpensive shotgun like a Mossberg 500 or 835 (I have both) the barrel costs damned near as much as a new gun. I think I paid less for a used Mossberg 500 slug gun (with scope) than what a new rifled slug barrel cost.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 30, 2012 07:29 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: sad sack at March 30, 2012 07:30 AM (oZfic)
Jane, as an engineer, whenever an airliner takes off and lands in one piece, I consider it a minor miracle. Too many complex systems, too many variables, too many forces to keep in balance, the loss of control of any one of which spells smoking crater in ground. Have a great flight!
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 07:30 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Finger Sandwiches Give You THe Winds at March 30, 2012 07:30 AM (EL+OC)
"I have heard that the "new and improved (read cheaper to manufacture) replacement is a pos and is to be avoided."
There are a number of cheaper plastic parts like the trigger guard in the lower-end 870 Express 18" HD model, but it's still a hell of a lot of awesome for $300 at the Wal Mart gun counter. I was lucky enough to find an old Wingmaster model and convert it to HD duty on the cheap. That thing is glassy smooth and a freaking tank all at the same time.
Posted by: Jaws at March 30, 2012 07:30 AM (4I3Uo)
Someone - preferably a historian - should have intervened with Malkin and got her to tone it down a notch. Normally she's better than that.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 30, 2012 07:30 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 07:30 AM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2012 07:30 AM (7W3wI)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 30, 2012 07:31 AM (YbQJm)
They were a 'colony' of Japan for a very loooooooong time. And yes, they suffered.
Posted by: EC at March 30, 2012 07:31 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 30, 2012 07:32 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 07:32 AM (i6RpT)
'wargames' is on the teevee and my question is why isn't matthew broderick banging the stuffing out of ally sheedy
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 30, 2012 07:32 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 07:32 AM (uhPd1)
Posted by: jimmuy at March 30, 2012 07:32 AM (kSaUf)
Death rates for POWs was way higher in Japanese camps.
Posted by: fluffy at March 30, 2012 07:33 AM (z9HTb)
I wouldn't want to rely on a weapon for home defense that I wasn't intimately familiar with. Doesn't matter if it is a long or short weapon, it MUST be something that takes no conscious thought to operate.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 30, 2012 07:33 AM (SAMxH)
'wargames' is on the teevee and my question is why isn't matthew broderick banging the stuffing out of ally sheedy
Because his tastes run more towards the equine...
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 07:33 AM (vJ9tV)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at March 30, 2012 07:33 AM (p7SSh)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 30, 2012 07:33 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 07:33 AM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 07:34 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 30, 2012 11:32 AM (8sCoq)
'Cause he was the geeky computer nerd with no chance.
Posted by: EC at March 30, 2012 07:34 AM (GQ8sn)
As many as I want and can afford. It's none of your f*cking business how many guns I purchase and how frequently.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 07:34 AM (8y9MW)
Those pesky White Hispanic Jews are conniving fellows.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 30, 2012 07:34 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 07:34 AM (uhPd1)
"Another issue with the pump shottys is short stroking."
As a fine old teacher once told me, "Run that sumbitch like it owes you money!" Short stroking problem solved.
Posted by: Jaws at March 30, 2012 07:34 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 07:35 AM (i6RpT)
He's more into the equine look.
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 30, 2012 07:35 AM (w/anX)
Death rates for POWs was way higher in Japanese camps.
Again, it was due to their "Bushido" culture--you fight til you die, you do not surrender. The Japanese could not comprehend this "surrender" stuff. They were completely unprepared for it. They viewed those who put down their arms to live another day as truly shameful subhuman losers. The rates for surrender amongst the allies vs the Japanese were a lot higher too.
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 07:36 AM (vJ9tV)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at March 30, 2012 07:36 AM (p7SSh)
How old is that in heroin years?
Posted by: Poppie at March 30, 2012 11:30 AM (z9HTb)
*
Bugger-off!! Thats how old ya WANKER!
Posted by: Keith Richards at March 30, 2012 07:36 AM (8ieXv)
375 The real problem for Obama's legacy is that his BC really is forged. And it will be front page news after a conservative is President.
I'm not going to hold my breath on that one, cherry. .....Huh. Which 'front page' would touch that with a 10 ft. pole? Even if the R's had the balls to bring it up.
Posted by: wheatie at March 30, 2012 07:37 AM (dEMjC)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 07:37 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2012 07:37 AM (7W3wI)
Posted by: Rush Limbaugh at March 30, 2012 07:37 AM (Sb4ot)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 30, 2012 11:33 AM (niZvt)
Makes me wonder if the Korean slaves mentioned at one of the landmarks around Hiroshima (can't remember which now) were the sex slaves or more the general purpose types. Boggles the mind how when you go there now (at least back in the mid 90s), some locals are trying to convince you of just how evil the U.S. was.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 07:38 AM (rX1N2)
Obama in my mind is what He said He was, A guy that went looking for marxist , community organizers, socialist profs. what's to misunderstand about that? He indicated he wanted what others have to give to others he thought should have even to other countries, about spreading others wealth around.
did they even read the poverty act legislation Obama brought?
did they look beyond his handsome persona and smooth performance? (when not so smooth media hid the moment) butit was still available flipping off hillary etc..
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 07:38 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 07:38 AM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 07:38 AM (uhPd1)
@400
May I reccomend used? I picked up a used rifled barrel for my 835 for around $120, and they're not guns so they can get shipped all over! Wife didn't want another Gun in the apartment (for space reasons, It's hard to store just one in this place) but a barrel was easy and I needed something for deer season.
(I buy from Hick's trading post in Pinkneyville, IL personally. Got my gun there used as well.)
Also anyone going to the NRA show in StL this year? I must see that expofloor, regardless of cost to get in! (We're looking at getting a house, which means the moritorium on new weapons will be dropped for me!)
Posted by: tsrblke at March 30, 2012 07:39 AM (SYrwI)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 07:39 AM (uhPd1)
pure class right Peggy Noonan, not like those wierd people that questioned Obama's ideology?
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 07:39 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 30, 2012 07:39 AM (CMM9V)
Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2012 07:39 AM (7W3wI)
Posted by: eureka! at March 30, 2012 07:39 AM (LQIyD)
It really is amazing that we can run a $1,500,000,000,000.00 annual deficit in any year and not just be totally freaking out over it.
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 07:39 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: sad sack at March 30, 2012 07:40 AM (ggRof)
White women love to give the Negroes that don't speak with accents a nod.
It's the fever, they got the fever.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at March 30, 2012 09:31 AM (hXJOG)
As a black woman, I, of course, have experienced the black mamba a time or two. FYI, guys who are holding are sometimes analogous to very pretty women, in that they are sexually second-rate for obvious reasons.
I think we can apply this fact of life to the SCoaMF/T presidency somehow...
Posted by: baldilocks at March 30, 2012 07:40 AM (T2/zQ)
Hmm. I didn't realize there were any Campbell-Stone movement churches in DC. I don't guess I should be surprised, but, for some reason, I am.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 07:41 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 07:41 AM (uhPd1)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 30, 2012 07:41 AM (PJ+vx)
Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2012 07:42 AM (7W3wI)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 07:42 AM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 07:43 AM (i6RpT)
I know an old guy with over 100 guns..is that too much?
Oh hey! Another use for that 125 sq. foot "house", gun room!
Heh, friends of mine were buying a new house and the realtor was all proud showing off the his and hers walk in closets and the husband said "look honey, I can put the gun safes in here!" The realtor got all huffy about how she was sure that his wife wouldn't like that at which point said wife smiled sweetly and said "The guns are mine." She says she wishes to this day she had video of the look on the realtor's face.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 07:43 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: sad sack at March 30, 2012 11:40 AM (ggRof)
Not me!
Posted by: sad sack at March 30, 2012 07:43 AM (PJ+vx)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 11:42 AM (Z9EHQ)
Hey, the government gave the Mexican cartels guns so they're being nice and supplying the ammo to go with them!
Posted by: EC at March 30, 2012 07:43 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 30, 2012 07:43 AM (CMM9V)
I love how Peggy is only now figuring out that Obama's creepy.
So the "bitterly clinging to God and guns" comment, or "Iran isn't a threat because it's a tiny country," or "we have to spread the wealth around," or "I wouldn't want to punish my daughters with a baby"or "we've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded as the US military" or "this is the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and the planet began to heal".... NONE of those comments sounded creepy to her?
Because they sounded hella creepy to me and the rest of us rubes out here in flyover country.
Posted by: Average Jen at March 30, 2012 07:44 AM (Y4H6x)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 07:44 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 11:38 AM (Z9EHQ)
I always get sarcastic with their sorry asses and say something to the effect of "Because ending their lives with conventional fire, smaller concussions, and smaller bits of flying metal was so much more humane."
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 07:44 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 07:44 AM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: sad sack at March 30, 2012 07:44 AM (PJ+vx)
Posted by: Dan at March 30, 2012 07:45 AM (uhPd1)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 11:38 AM (Z9EHQ)
Of course, there was absolutely nothing wrong with nuking cities and killing enemies during war. But the nukes didn't even do nearly the level of damage that firebombing 60+ wooden cities before that accomplished - rightfully so. War is hell and the Japanese deserved every bit of pain and death delivered to them and their population.
Of course, WWII was ended more successfully than any war in history, with our most implacable foes being turned into our strongest, most trustworthy allies for over half a century ... which certainly does away with the whole "win hearts and minds without killing enough of them" idea to rest.
Nothing has ever "won the hearts and minds" of the enemy like total destruction and an uncompromising occupation. We had to kill the Japanese with abandon in order for THEM to feel okay surrendering (unconditionally) finally.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 30, 2012 07:45 AM (X3lox)
Since I can only shoot one at a time effectively what possible reason is there to limit my collection. It's the same fear mongering that "black rifles" is.
And like the ubiquitous picture after a drug bust of the guns all laid out on the bed is meant to be scary.Train the populace to fear guns and they'll agree to new laws.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 30, 2012 07:45 AM (tf9Ne)
431 >>>'wargames' is on the teevee and my question is why isn't matthew broderick banging the stuffing out of ally sheedy
He's more into the equine look.
Matthew Broderick? ...*spits*.....Broderick was on the leading edge of that Hollywood narrative that has been pushed on us.....that 'White guys are pussies'.
Fine. Let them think that. .....Let them be as 'surprised by the truth' as Peggy Noonan, when the SHTF.
Posted by: wheatie at March 30, 2012 07:45 AM (dEMjC)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 07:45 AM (i6RpT)
****
President George H.W. bush was almost eaten by the Japanese. He was shot down after bombing the island of Chichi Jima. The wind and tide blew his raft away from the island instead of toward it. U.S. aviators who were blown toward the Japanese held island were eaten by the japanese, not out of starvation but just to prove that they were badass, partly in enacting a Japanese idiom. James Brady's book Flyboys is about this incident.
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 30, 2012 07:46 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: DanInMN at March 30, 2012 07:46 AM (XqeyF)
I think that donations to Troll University should be stepped up, in order to attract and hopefully retain a stronger intellectual class of trolls. Moreover, those same donations could possibly be used in similar fashion as regards faculty.
Better trolls mean mean better engagement, so this is a win-win, as I see it.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 30, 2012 07:46 AM (SAMxH)
How would have ended for Hitler in the end? The Japanese would have eventually exterminated the Aryans. It's the way they rolled.
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 11:29 AM (vJ9tV)
LOL. They would have wanted to, but it would not have been likely to go beyond fantasy. It takes more than a mean attitude to win wars and kill people off. The Japanese couldn't even consolidate their gains in China. They couldn't spare anything to attack Russia. They were a second rate power all along, and would have remained so. The cultural changes that allowed them to excell in quality and technology were a result of defeat and occupation. Without the humbling and pummeling they got in WW2 by the US, they'd have continued in their arrogance as before.
The Japanese were never going to go beyond Asia.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 30, 2012 07:47 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2012 07:47 AM (7W3wI)
Even the Barky-supporting retard, Evan Thomas, understood the creepiness of the Affirmative Action retard by the end of election night.
"There's a slightly creepy cult of personality about all this."
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 30, 2012 07:47 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 07:47 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 07:47 AM (Z9EHQ)
But yes - using hundreds of thousands of Korean women as sex slaves was an atrocity, and not the only one committed against the Korean people.
I'm a slave to sex....especially on the beach...
Posted by: Sandy Fluke at March 30, 2012 07:48 AM (vJ9tV)
Michelle Malkin thought the internments were teh awesome.
They were not as unreasonable as you may think; everything you may have learned about them probably came from progressive history teachers pushing the "America is Evil !!11!!" agenda.
The Black Dragon Society was a real threat and U.S. Authorities had good reason to be concerned. Their actions in Brazil hindered the war effort and it's claimed Brazil didn't declare war on Japan because of them.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 30, 2012 07:48 AM (6BgmB)
Posted by: Tom Hanks at March 30, 2012 07:50 AM (7W3wI)
This.
Remember that the Japanese didn't even really want a war with the US- they were hoping that Pearl Harbor would be a crippling strike, and that we would cow before their all-to-evident might.
Morimoto tried to warn them otherwise, but they didn't listen.
The problem with being an aggressive power when you're stuck on an island the size of Japan is that your potential conquests will outnumber you- and eventually those numbers will win.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 07:50 AM (8y9MW)
"how wrong the use of nukes was to end ww2"
Guess their grandfather's ass wasn't going to be on a landing craft bound for Honschu.
Posted by: Jaws at March 30, 2012 07:50 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Satan's Barbed WeeWee at March 30, 2012 07:50 AM (Jls4P)
Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 30, 2012 07:50 AM (CMM9V)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 11:45 AM (i6RpT)
A lot of them don't believe this fact though. Surprise I know. My grandad told me about his Amtrak unit training for landings in southern Japan after they had just finished up on Iwo.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 07:51 AM (rX1N2)
I'm trying to decide if Dan is, in fact, brain damaged, or whether this is some kind of internet performance art.
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 07:51 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 07:51 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2012 07:51 AM (7W3wI)
Posted by: irongrampa at March 30, 2012 11:20 AM (SAMxH)
I always thought the best first round for a 12 gauge is bird shot.
Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 30, 2012 07:51 AM (NVu2l)
There is a difference between being an ordinary voter and being a well known and influential figure whose public utterances can sway a lot of independents who crossed their normal party lines in the past to vote for Reagan or would have if they were old enough.
Slamming Peggy is not the same thing as slamming every sucker who voted Obama in 2008. She was supposed to know better.
Posted by: epobirs at March 30, 2012 07:51 AM (kcfmt)
The answer to your question is "as many as he goddamned well pleases." A phrase I certainly intend to put to the test should my megamillions ticket come up tonight. I have a list, and it starts with a pre-ban MP5 and ends with a Barret .50cal.
Posted by: DanInMN at March 30, 2012 07:52 AM (XqeyF)
conversations with idiots that like to point out how wrong the use of
nukes was to end ww2.
and when you tell them about the incendiary raids on Japan and Germany that actually killed MORE PEOPLE than the atomic bombings, their faces go blank, like a dog contemplating a toaster
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 30, 2012 07:52 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 07:52 AM (i6RpT)
as horrible as it was it is not even remotely comparable to the rape of nanking.
I think I've mentioned before how I was once accused of making up the rape of nanking. When I ever so gently pointed out that I was giving an incredibly sanitized version, the response was liar liar liar.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 07:53 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 07:53 AM (vJ9tV)
There were also German-Americans interned in WWI and WWII. Not as useful to teach about that, for some reason.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 30, 2012 07:54 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 07:54 AM (GTbGH)
Who the hell wrote this? I'm too lazy to go through all 465 posts but the correct answer as already written above is "as many as I want and can afford AND it's none of yours or anyone else's fucking business."
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 30, 2012 07:54 AM (3jGS1)
I think I've mentioned before how I was once accused of making up the rape of nanking. When I ever so gently pointed out that I was giving an incredibly sanitized version, the response was liar liar liar.
Send them a copy of "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Cheng.
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 07:54 AM (vJ9tV)
Yes. You never knew he was a WWII Strategic Genius, did you?
I plead lack of coffee.
Yamamoto (if that's how you spell it) of course.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 07:54 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 30, 2012 11:52 AM (8sCoq)
*********
That's what my cats do too. I know because I eat dozens of poptarts a day. But I'm not fat. I only eat one after having sex with a different stranger. But I'm not a slut.
Posted by: sad sack at March 30, 2012 07:54 AM (ggRof)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 11:52 AM (i6RpT)
Grandad was a driver in the 11th Amtrac BN, 5th MarDiv. Assigned to land repeatedly on Red 2.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 07:54 AM (rX1N2)
I have had more than a few extremely frustrating
conversations with idiots that like to point out how wrong the use of
nukes was to end ww2.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 11:38 AM (Z9EHQ)
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LOL. Imagine if we'd gone with plan B. The original invasion plans involved mass gas attacks on the Japanese. I remember a documentary explaining the concept - and the footage of acre upon acre of poison barrels that were being readied.
Besides, Japan was also on the cusp of having a-bombs. They tested one 3 days before the war ended. They would have used it on us, so they have no grounds for complaint.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 30, 2012 07:54 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 30, 2012 07:55 AM (8sCoq)
494 I'm not a tin foil hat guy but (yeah,the classic "but") I don't trust Obama and his gang,especially Holder.
Oh, I trust them, steevy. ....I trust them to always do the thing that will fuck us over the most.
Posted by: wheatie at March 30, 2012 07:55 AM (dEMjC)
Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 30, 2012 07:55 AM (NVu2l)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 30, 2012 07:56 AM (UpwlP)
Actually, if he was white he'd still be a minor level hack in Chicago
Posted by: kbdabear at March 30, 2012 07:56 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 30, 2012 07:57 AM (PJ+vx)
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 11:54 AM (GTbGH)
if I win I am definitely getting new tires for the truck, and my kitchen needs a little work
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 30, 2012 07:57 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Steve Johnson at March 30, 2012 07:58 AM (Z8KB1)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 07:58 AM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 30, 2012 11:56 AM (UpwlP)
Ahhh, one of those Hands Off My Body types...unless it's Obamacare, right?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 07:58 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 11:51 AM (rX1N2)
My father was on Iwo- 4th Marine Division
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 11:52 AM (i6RpT)
My father was there too, Navy Seabees. I get red in the face when I hear how awful we were for dropping the atomic bombs.
Posted by: DanInMN at March 30, 2012 07:58 AM (XqeyF)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 11:56 AM (WkuV6)
I would, but they'd have to lower their physical standards. Us grey hairs could hold fixed fortifications and let some of the kids with families spend more time home. We need a Get Off My Lawn Brigade.
Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 30, 2012 07:59 AM (NVu2l)
Howmany guns should be allowed to purchase in a year (if not a collector or dealer) 1 per month?
Who the hell wrote this? I'm too lazy to go through all 465 posts but the correct answer as already written above is "as many as I want and can afford AND it's none of yours or anyone else's fucking business."
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 30, 2012 11:54 AM (3jGS1)
Funny, my wife tells me it "as many as I let you have damnit and not one more!"
(Acutally I've always felt the number is "as many as I can maintain, use, and/or store" at a certain point there are just too many to keep track of for me, but that's my personal threshold, I don't want to become Law of the Land!)
Posted by: tsrblke at March 30, 2012 07:59 AM (SYrwI)
You say that like we have a choice or something.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at March 30, 2012 07:59 AM (JEpGb)
Oh, hells yes, HLF. Long time back, we tried an experiment involving a short barrel and some scrap wall board, using #8's. At 8', the pattern was just slightly larger than a golf ball. Sorta like a subsonic sledge hammer. Penetration was total. but the backup piece at 12' showed extreme spread, with a blown pattern. Probably not lethal, but very painful, discounting the magic pellet.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 30, 2012 07:59 AM (SAMxH)
There were also German-Americans interned in WWI and WWII. Not as useful to teach about that, for some reason.
There weren't as many of them, and it wasn't done by Executive Order (for those with as little as 1/16th Japanese blood). Almost 2/3 of the Japanese people interned were actually U.S. citizens as well. The Germans who were interned were not U.S. citizens. I think you are comparing apples to oranges.
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 08:00 AM (vJ9tV)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 30, 2012 11:56 AM (UpwlP)
Anybody who can see the result of an abortion past 6 months and still think it's a good idea is a total moral reprobate, and needs a retroactive abortion himself.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 30, 2012 08:00 AM (xUM1Q)
Noonan, Parker, Frum, Brooks, and Buckley Jr. can no longer tell us how their intellect, education, pedigree, and sophistication makes their thoughts any smarter than some drunk holding court from a barstool
Posted by: kbdabear at March 30, 2012 08:01 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 08:02 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 30, 2012 08:02 AM (DGIjM)
In the current theater wouldn't it be a "Get Off My Sand Brigade"?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 30, 2012 08:02 AM (tf9Ne)
You can always tell a German, but you can't tell 'em much (I'm at least 7/8 myself).
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 30, 2012 08:03 AM (ZKzrr)
That is how the world is going and the US has been obsessed with importing enough of the world into the US so that we are as stupid and insane as the rest of the planet. Leftists can't stand the US being the only sane nation around.
The World is still ethnically organized everywhere except for the West and has always been. To compound problems, the idiot West not only refuses to acknowledge this, but turns around and presses it with their idiotic notion of "self-determination" for every ethnic group that thinks they need a flag and their love of ethnic transfers to carry out the West's public denial of the existence of ethnicism as an organizing principle when every single thing they do works towards that goal ... except for what they do to the West, itself.
World tribalism is coming to America and there will be no avoiding it. Whites, being so tired of winning, will let themselves lose until a reaction is absolutely necessary and then the shit will really hit the fan.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 30, 2012 08:03 AM (X3lox)
So that's a little more than one Solyndra.
That's an ad right there.
Posted by: EC at March 30, 2012 08:03 AM (GQ8sn)
All of Peggy's stupidness aside... the beltway is starting to see through the error in their judgement.
I for one am happy to see articles like this and hopefully the preference cascade picks up speed.
Posted by: The Jackhole at March 30, 2012 08:03 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 12:00 PM (vJ9tV)
Yes, until you include the so-called "voluntary" internments of their spouses and children.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 30, 2012 08:04 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 30, 2012 12:02 PM (DGIjM)
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Wow, I could single handedly fund the US budget for 15 minutes.
Posted by: Jimmah at March 30, 2012 08:04 AM (UpwlP)
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 11:54 AM (vJ9tV)
Beat me to it. I have a copy on the bookshelf downstairs. Fucking animals those Japanese were...
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 30, 2012 08:04 AM (3jGS1)
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 08:04 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 30, 2012 11:53 AM (VtjlW)
Cocksucker Tom Hanks didn't mention in his "Letters from Iwo Jima" bullshit movie that the same Japanese units defending Iwo took part in the rape of Nanking and that souvenir pictures were found on jap bodies that showed them smiling with a dead Chinese baby stuck on the end of their bayonet.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 30, 2012 08:04 AM (6BgmB)
Malkin is the daughter of Filipino immigrants
They were there when the Japanese occupied the Phillipines, and you'd probably feel the same we she does
Posted by: kbdabear at March 30, 2012 08:05 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 08:05 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 30, 2012 08:05 AM (DGIjM)
Posted by: Reactionary at March 30, 2012 12:00 PM (xUM1Q)
We're fine with that.
Posted by: UK Medical Ethicists at March 30, 2012 08:05 AM (3jGS1)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 08:05 AM (Z9EHQ)
Jane, as an engineer, whenever an airliner takes off and lands in one piece, I consider it a minor miracle. Too many complex systems, too many variables, too many forces to keep in balance, the loss of control of any one of which spells smoking crater in ground. Have a great flight!
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 11:30 AM (OlN4e)
Sounds like you like to torment people. You failed to mention most systems are triple redundant.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at March 30, 2012 08:06 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 12:00 PM (vJ9tV)
That would have simply been impossible because a plurality of America was of German extraction.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 30, 2012 08:06 AM (X3lox)
In return, Republicans allowed passage by unanimous consent of several of President Obama's noncontroversial nominees and allowed Reid to set up a vote on the confirmation of Stephanie Thacker to be a circuit judge for the Fourth Circuit for Monday, April 16, the day the Senate returns from its break.
Posted by: Josiah Ryan at March 30, 2012 08:06 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 08:08 AM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 12:05 PM (GTbGH)
It was ok. I liked the juxtaposition of Ken Watanabe's character before and during the war. You'd think the Japanese and the US were the best of friends, which Watanbe's character says during the movie to the wife of US diplomat, and then seeing return to Tokyo just before war breaks out.
Posted by: EC at March 30, 2012 08:08 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 08:08 AM (rX1N2)
Speaking of recess appointments, wasn't there a lawsuit instituted concerning the illegal recess appointments made a bit ago? Did that hit the memory hole, or is it ongoing?
Posted by: irongrampa at March 30, 2012 08:09 AM (SAMxH)
Posted by: toby928© at March 30, 2012 12:05 PM (GTbGH)
No, I liked it too. A lot more than the other one done first. Not all of the Japanese were fanatics, just most of them. It is how they were raised from birth.
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 08:10 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Soothsayer at March 30, 2012 08:10 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: nickless at March 30, 2012 08:10 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Al Sharpton at March 30, 2012 08:11 AM (vYB+W)
That would have simply been impossible because a plurality of America was of German extraction.
I realize that. It was racism on FDR's part.
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 08:11 AM (vJ9tV)
541532Mega Millions has jumped to 640 million.Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 30, 2012 12:02 PM (DGIjM) ---Wow, I could single handedly fund the US budget for 15 minutes.
I bought my first lotto ticket ever this morning. If I win, I'll pay for at least 200 billboards, coast to cost, with a picture of Teh Won in his most arrogant posture (maybe with Moochelle in her most hideous dress, too)...with big red words underneath that say in all caps "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?"
Posted by: model_1066 at March 30, 2012 08:12 AM (YbQJm)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 30, 2012 08:12 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2012 08:12 AM (7W3wI)
In fact, she HAS said that she and her husband think Mitt Romney not only ought to be President, but will potentially be one of the great ones. She actually *did* write that.
And yet people here are now proclaiming that she has openly proclaimed her commitment to voting for Obama. Why? Because they want her to fit into a predetermined narrative they have about swing voters. And women, I suspect.
Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 30, 2012 08:12 AM (LfpSr)
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 12:11 PM (vJ9tV)
No, it wasn't. It was part of the exigencies of war.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 30, 2012 08:12 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at March 30, 2012 12:06 PM (7+pP9)
Triple redunundancy yes, due to the consequences of system failure. Of course, triple redundancy adds to complexity, which adds to the probably of failure. And yes, airliners still crash. And yeah, I like to torment people sometimes.
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 08:12 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: I am the egg man, . . . at March 30, 2012 08:13 AM (EETMo)
Also Irish. That was my ancestors' contribution to the Fucking Other Countries In The Ass competition so, um, sorry for that one, mates.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 30, 2012 08:13 AM (QTHTd)
It's clearly not "too many", since air travel is so safe. You'd have to have a fully-loaded 747 crash with no survivors every week to match the death toll on the roads.
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 30, 2012 08:14 AM (w/anX)
Not. Going. To. Happen.
Posted by: John Boehner at March 30, 2012 08:15 AM (vYB+W)
It is ironic that the lefties always trot that out as an example of how bad America is. No, America good. Progressives bad.
Posted by: Jimbo at March 30, 2012 08:15 AM (O3R/2)
No, it wasn't. It was part of the exigencies of war
We can agree to disagree. FDR was racist. Interning someone who had 1/16th of Japanese blood was completely unnecessary, not an "exigency of war", that to me smacks of racism.
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 08:15 AM (vJ9tV)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 08:16 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 30, 2012 08:16 AM (LfpSr)
Want to know who was against the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII? Those evil nasty Republicans, that's who.
It is ironic that the lefties always trot that out as an example of how bad America is. No, America good. Progressives bad.
That's why it just kills me that all my relatives are Democrats. My parents were the only Republicans in their families.
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 08:16 AM (vJ9tV)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 30, 2012 08:17 AM (DGIjM)
Wikipedia informs me the term "American exceptionalism" was coined by Stalin.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 30, 2012 08:17 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at March 30, 2012 08:18 AM (ursbV)
Because, if you want to steal someone's organs, you shoot them in the chest.
I'd mock Dick Gregory if I didn't think there were people who think he's on to something.
Well, sometimes, there are botched abortions...
Posted by: Gregory's Dick at March 30, 2012 08:18 AM (vJ9tV)
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 08:18 AM (TomZ9)
550 I do not think peggy was such a dope when she showed up on the national stage. I think it is the same thing that happens to a lot of people, they get in with the cool kids, get invited to all of the cool parties, get some fans, get in their own feedback loop, and loses her grasp on reality.
True, but Peggy has always been fairly clueless, yankeefifth. ....She was Reagan's 'soft' speech writer....whenever he wanted a 'soft' speech. ....Back then, she was surrounded by alpha males, who edited her cluelessness out of her copy.
Since she has been out on her own, though....the Left has enjoyed using her 'credibility' and her cluelessness for their own purposes.
Posted by: wheatie at March 30, 2012 08:18 AM (dEMjC)
Posted by: Jimbo at March 30, 2012 08:18 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 30, 2012 12:12 PM (LfpSr)
Well, that's encouraging then. I only get over there sparingly these days and thought I saw her getting behind Romney, so the commenter who said she was voting for Obama again took me by surprise.
Her rationale for voting for him in the first place was juvenile and quite representative of the vacuous nature of many swing voters. Hopefully she's grown out of it.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 08:19 AM (rX1N2)
this was closer to the heart of the matter with me.
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 08:19 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 08:20 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: I stopped reading DCBubbleHeadNoonan a long time ago at March 30, 2012 08:20 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 08:21 AM (OlN4e)
Based on what? Yes, you are looking at the greatest resolution of war in human history and saying that it could have been accomplished in all sorts of other ways, even though you can't find one instance in history of a better end to a war.
not an "exigency of war", that to me smacks of racism.
Posted by: runningrn at March 30, 2012 12:15 PM (vJ9tV)
And our strong alliance with the Chinese at the same time?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 30, 2012 08:21 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: SCoaMF at March 30, 2012 08:21 AM (UpwlP)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at March 30, 2012 08:22 AM (ursbV)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2012 08:23 AM (Z9EHQ)
Of course, triple redundancy adds to complexity, which adds to the probably of failure. And yes, airliners still crash. And yeah, I like to torment people sometimes.
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 12:12 PM (OlN4e)
When my dad did LSA I read up a lot about it, so you're not telling me anything new. Especially about your occasional fondness of tormenting people. I recognized it right away because I'm the same way.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at March 30, 2012 08:24 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 30, 2012 08:24 AM (WCuHB)
If it was in the comments I could have missed it. But given the general unreliability of such claims (and the potential for distortion), I would need to a see a cite.
Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 30, 2012 08:26 AM (LfpSr)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 30, 2012 12:12 PM (X3lox)
Agreed. So can we finally start rounding up the damn muslims and interning them? That is, just until the threat of muslim terrorism is done. No longer than that. And also banning their immigration, too.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 30, 2012 08:27 AM (xUM1Q)
The fact is, she has two issues that trump everything: 1) feminists are the best, always, 2) White Guilt.
Her immediate defense of Fluke while denouncing the GOP is exactly like Excitable Andi's hysteria over Trent Lott. Single issue trumps rationality.
You go ahead and think she'll vote for Romney. The house money is on another tug on the JEF lever.
I haven't seen her say she is going to vote for the JEF, I just see the way the wind is blowing over there.
Posted by: jimmuy at March 30, 2012 08:27 AM (kSaUf)
They didn't bother to muck the stalls first.
That is pure unadulterated racism.
Posted by: Jimbo at March 30, 2012 08:27 AM (O3R/2)
Yesterday Ace posted 10 posts in 6 hours.
8 posts were between roughly 1530 hours and 1930 hours.
In the meantime, for the other 18 hours in the day...
Posted by: Soothsayer at March 30, 2012 12:10 PM (jUytm)
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Proactively heading off prostate cancer.
Posted by: SCoaMF at March 30, 2012 08:28 AM (UpwlP)
Like it or not, there's this GREAT MASS OF VOTERS out there -- some call them "independents"; you and I use less flattering names -- that need this explained to them. And no, Peggy has been very consistent since 2009 in criticizing how BO has handled this job that, apparently, was way tougher than he thought going in -- something else she's reminded people of many times.
Here's the thing you younger morons don't get: Barack Obama is BLACK, therefore he is being held to a different standard by the media and a great many "middle" voters. Racist? Of course! Welcome to The Real World, 2012 Edition. Or haven't you heard/seen all the racist crap that's been swirling around the "Trayvon" story?
We have a job to do, which is DEFEATING BARACK OBAMA, and p****ing all over a fellow conservative will not help our cause. Whether you love or hate people who don't think exactly like you do doesn't matter; WE NEED THEIR VOTES. To get those votes, somebody needs to explain to them that it's OK not to vote for the Black Guy this time, which Peggy does better for that crowd than anybody else out there. If you don't get that by now, you shouldn't be blogging about politics. (I had assumed the "moron" tag used so freely on this site wasn't literal.)
BTW, free speech is a powerful thing; use it responsibly. Otherwise, the next time someone likes you goes calling someone like Peggy an "idiot" -- someone who actually worked in the White House, who knows the political game better than anyone in the MSM today -- some old guy will have to seek out that person and kick his skinny-runt ass all the way to Burbank.
Nice talking to you, moron.
/wwc/
Posted by: WildWillyC at March 30, 2012 08:29 AM (TjOL+)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 08:29 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Narzisse geliebte, Noonan at March 30, 2012 08:31 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 08:31 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 12:29 PM (WkuV6)
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Meh. It's WAY safer than driving.
And look at it this way - if the plane crashes, you're probably either going to walk away from it, or else (more likely) be translated immediately into your eternal reward. The odds of surviving with paralysis or dismemberment/crippling are far lower. Big win, in my book.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 30, 2012 08:33 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 08:33 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 12:31 PM (WkuV6)
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Funny, Michelle calls it my "white half" too.
Posted by: SCoaMF at March 30, 2012 08:34 AM (UpwlP)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 12:20 PM (WkuV6)
Nice. I'm there. Just gotta get that stinking DoD to change some regs on how old you can be. All my joints are still intact, and I can pass the PT.
Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 30, 2012 08:35 AM (NVu2l)
"...but in a bizarre way it was more straightforward.”
The vice president claimed that the complexity of the 2008 financial crisis presented challenges in a way the Great Depression of 80 years ago did not."
So FDR took a simple problem and dicked around with socialism for two terms while making the problem worse. Now Lightworker has a way more harder problem to solve, and he wants to...dick around with socialism for two terms...at least?
Posted by: 66chevelle at March 30, 2012 08:39 AM (QjSgY)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 30, 2012 08:39 AM (UpwlP)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 30, 2012 11:01 AM (ZKzrr)
I guess she never watched "Hazel" back when she was 40.
Posted by: 66chevelle at March 30, 2012 08:41 AM (QjSgY)
Posted by: WSJ at March 30, 2012 08:41 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: DaveA (gratuitous spelling correction for possible comedy purposes) at March 30, 2012 08:47 AM (wwFlb)
Posted by: DaveA (gratuitous spelling correction for possible comedy purposes) at March 30, 2012 08:48 AM (wwFlb)
"I agree. the funny thing is zero does not care about african Americans either, they are just a tool in the box."
Exactly.
And neither does Moochelle.
That make-work bribe-job she got at the UChicago School of Medicine was designed to keep the ghetto blacks out of the UChicago system - to funnel them into lesser-quality government clinics - so that the paying customers wouldn't have to rub elbows with them.
Immanuel Kant [to his credit] had a thing or two to say about this - this idea of using other human beings as a means to an end.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 30, 2012 08:53 AM (F5Rm1)
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He was conducting recon. Learning as much as he could about his target to subvert it from within. As a bonus, it offered him the perfect cover.
Posted by: Mayday at March 30, 2012 09:01 AM (orrLR)
"So the question is, which side do you want to crush the other? Because that's the only choice you get. I agree, peace isn't on the menu long-term. Hope I'm wrong."
I sure do hope it can be resolved peacefully.
Because we're pretty much at the point where the two sides aren't going to be able to live together anymore.
Blue States determined to commit suicide and die.
Red States struggling to survive [and, God forbid, actually thrive].
There just aren't enough Red Staters in this country to fund SS/Mediscare for aging boomers and SSI/AFDC/EITC/etc for all the "minorities" - the numbers just don't add up.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 30, 2012 09:03 AM (F5Rm1)
Posted by: Ignatz D. Mouse at March 30, 2012 09:03 AM (2dU/2)
We have to get rid of this guy in November. If we don't vote him out there will be only a USSA, not the land we grew up in and love.
Posted by: Lee at March 30, 2012 09:06 AM (RtwOA)
For those readers/commenters still contemplating shotguns, I present 2 pieces of information.
1. The BoxOTruth website consists of many firearms tests. One test is firing buckshot through a rifled 12ga barrel. The result was a pattern about 18 " in diameter (the "Donut of Death") ... at 5 yards distance. 15 feet is roughly the diagonal distance across many living rooms to the front door, so th epattern would miss most body armor, but still hit the target. The only problem is that buckshot is 9 (or 15) almost-.32cal projectiles, and with a pattern this wide, they will cover a much larger area. Be certain of your target.
2. Always use a stock. Firing birdshot from a 12ga equipped with 1 or 2 pistol grips is ... your choice ... , but firing a stout slug round is doubtfully possible; firing a second may be impossible. But with a real stock, I suppose the limiting factors are targets, ammo, and personal pain tolerance. Also, there is merit to swapping the original stock out for a youth stock ... there's room for an additional recoil pad, if you chose, and if you wear body armor, the (shorter) youth stock restores the original length of pull ... and if you get one with overmolded rubber, the grip is quite good.
Posted by: Arbalest at March 30, 2012 09:06 AM (BpFAB)
"Whites, being so tired of winning, will let themselves lose until a reaction is absolutely necessary and then the shit will really hit the fan."
Right - that's what I'm worried about.
The Left has no earthly idea the horror that will transpire if our self-discipline ever snaps, and we decide to go full-blown medieval on their asses.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 30, 2012 09:07 AM (F5Rm1)
Sleeping with some guy rather than Rosario Dawson might be gayer than Twilight.
Posted by: DaveA at March 30, 2012 09:11 AM (wwFlb)
624: the strange thing is I hear that from women more often than men, and its hard to disagree with.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 30, 2012 09:14 AM (r4wIV)
Posted by: DaveA at March 30, 2012 09:18 AM (wwFlb)
Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2012 12:29 PM (WkuV6)
Jean, my philosophy in design is simplicity is reliability. Would you like to see triple redundancy in your combat weapon? Your life depends on that weapon so reliability is paramount. Weapons which are reliable enough to stake your life on are invariably simple as possible. The AK-47 is a good example. It has one major feature, reliability. It is crude and unrefined and it lacks convenience, but reliability it has in spades. That is my argument. I contend that triple redundancy is there for public relations. We would be better served by aircraft which is designed for maximum simplicity and reliability. Single systems which are simple and robust as possible. Just my opinion. As a side note, double ignition on single engine piston aircraft are not there for reliablilty, the engines were designed in the 20's for the most part, and the combustion chambers are too inefficient to work well without dual spark ignition.
Posted by: maddogg at March 30, 2012 09:31 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: HULUGU at March 30, 2012 09:42 AM (ixhfR)
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What a great idea. I might do up some flyers with that and casually drop them around. . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 30, 2012 09:43 AM (exvgC)
Posted by: ATLDiver at March 30, 2012 10:03 AM (qMD+N)
Posted by: HEP-T at March 30, 2012 11:06 AM (XXHqo)
There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Shooting poor Obama's son
Posted by: Peg E. Noonan at March 30, 2012 11:18 AM (FsqHK)
The first I can abide, the latter is unforgivable.
Posted by: pam at March 30, 2012 11:20 AM (cgrL5)
Peggy--he's "increasingly coming across as devious"? No shit Sherlock.
Now that you've wandered out of your gauzy delirium induced fog in 2008, how about helping clean up the mess YOU and other idiots like you made?
Get that broom and dustpan--I don't wanna see nuttin but flying elbows girl!
Posted by: comanche voter at March 30, 2012 11:24 AM (6USwK)
What can I say? Size really does matter.
/wwc/
Posted by: WildWillyC at March 30, 2012 12:53 PM (TjOL+)
And this is the guy who sneered when people called him "socialistic". His supporters still sneer at it, calling him (and themselves) "moderates", while people who consider fiscal solvency and the Constitution important are termed "right-wing extremists".
The "New Pary" article is good, but I swear I've also seen an image from a Chicago paper where Obama was celebration his State Senate win with the New Party leaders. It was their biggest-ever win.
Posted by: Optimizer at March 30, 2012 01:05 PM (As94z)
I'm here to help.
Sandy.
Posted by: enter sandman, lurker and preznit zero besmircher. at March 30, 2012 03:36 PM (zxaA2)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 30, 2012 03:40 PM (r4wIV)
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Posted by: Frederick Sommer at March 30, 2012 05:21 AM (e8kgV)