July 23, 2012
— Open Blogger The President of the NCAA, Mark Emmert, is giving a press conference right now.
You can watch the press conference here.
[Update: Press conference is over]
The penalties are as follows:
1. A 60 million dollar fine against Penn State. That money will be used to help fund child sexual abuse programs. For context, 60 million dollars is roughly one year's profits for Penn State's football program. Also, college money is fungible, so this might come at the expense of academic departments.
2. Penn State is banned from participating in Bowl games for four years.
3. Penn State has to reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships for each year over the next four years.
4. Any current player or incoming athlete can transfer without penalty. Emmert also announced that any scholarship athletes that don't want to play for Penn State can stay at school with full scholarship. (h/t Jeff Emanuel)
5. All wins from 1998 to 2011 will be vacated.
I wish Joe Paterno had lived long enough to see this.
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Posted by: Drider at July 23, 2012 05:27 AM (HaJD9)
Posted by: rockmom at July 23, 2012 05:27 AM (vvEHK)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 05:29 AM (HethX)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 05:30 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 09:29 AM (HethX)
The players are the only ones paying a price here? And, um, not much of one.
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 05:30 AM (mdhVr)
Posted by: tsj017 at July 23, 2012 05:31 AM (4YUWF)
Posted by: Minuteman at July 23, 2012 05:31 AM (qs9G3)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 05:32 AM (HethX)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 23, 2012 05:32 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: MikeinNC at July 23, 2012 05:33 AM (xqW1X)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 23, 2012 05:33 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Minuteman at July 23, 2012 09:31 AM (qs9G3)
Aught-for-the-aughts.
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 05:33 AM (mdhVr)
Posted by: @ParisParamus at July 23, 2012 05:33 AM (onOHN)
Several still-alive people also participated in the cover-up, and many of those same people also helped to whitewash Michael Mann after ClimateGate.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 23, 2012 05:33 AM (9YUug)
Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at July 23, 2012 05:33 AM (GBXon)
The NCAA says the wins stay on Paterno's record as a coach; it's the team's record that is affected
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 23, 2012 05:34 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2012 05:34 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 09:32 AM (HethX)
You seem to be focused like a laser on minutiae. After all, the real tragedy is that Jerry Sandusky's kids are losing a father.
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 05:34 AM (mdhVr)
Posted by: Ted Fischer at July 23, 2012 05:35 AM (mZkJr)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 05:35 AM (HethX)
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at July 23, 2012 05:35 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: DenverGregg at July 23, 2012 05:36 AM (QT9Jb)
As I said in the other thread, the frosh and sophs should get out now, which unfortunately helps psu in deciding which scholorships to get rid of. But this penalty is damn close to a program death penalty. Who would go there to play?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk, Snark Solutions, Inc. at July 23, 2012 05:36 AM (/inUg)
>>The NCAA says the wins stay on Paterno's record as a coach; it's the team's record that is affected
I didn't see that. I've deleted that section until I can confirm it.
Posted by: Ben at July 23, 2012 05:36 AM (C2Y4l)
Oh, and spare us the "innocents punished" bullshit. The only innocents truly punished here were the children raped by a monster and protected by the likes of Saint Joe.
Posted by: sgr at July 23, 2012 05:36 AM (xa5GW)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - it rained here! at July 23, 2012 05:37 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 09:28 AM (A98Xu)
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No, it most certainly did not.
Posted by: deadrody at July 23, 2012 05:38 AM (2NNWw)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 23, 2012 09:34 AM (8sCoq)
I don't know about that. This is from ESPN's story online:
"The career record of former head football coach Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records, the statement continued. "
Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 23, 2012 05:38 AM (nZvGM)
I didn't see that. I've deleted that section until I can confirm it.
Posted by: Ben at July 23, 2012 09:36 AM (C2Y4l)
just reporting what I read on the crawl on ESPN2
Paterno's record 1998-2011 will have a one big honking asterisk next to it
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 23, 2012 05:38 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Ted Fischer at July 23, 2012 05:38 AM (mZkJr)
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 05:38 AM (mdhVr)
Posted by: Golan Globus at July 23, 2012 05:39 AM (7vSU0)
I think the penalties are appropriate, and likely a bit lenient given what a drop in the bucket $60M is to a major college.
But I'm having a hard time understanding where the balance is in evaluating a dead man's life. He isn't Saint Joe. But I'm not sure he is Dr. Mengela either. Is erasing his history the right solution?
Personally, I think a better solution would be to use it as a warning against the seduction of hubris.
This would all make an excellent Greek tragedy.
(Prebuttal - I'm not defending Paterno or Penn State. I'm just being honest about the difficulty I am having wrapping my head around all of this)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 23, 2012 05:39 AM (JxIkO)
Once again the NCAA demonstrates its stupidity by punishing the innocent.
Posted by: Vic at July 23, 2012 05:39 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 23, 2012 05:39 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 05:40 AM (HethX)
Posted by: Ted Fischer at July 23, 2012 09:38 AM (mZkJr)
Yeah, that was sarcasm. Making it about the poor players to be unfairly punished misses the point entirely, I think.
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 05:40 AM (mdhVr)
Posted by: Albie Damned at July 23, 2012 05:40 AM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: gwelf at July 23, 2012 05:41 AM (nyxv/)
Posted by: Ian S. at July 23, 2012 05:41 AM (9YUug)
Posted by: Drider at July 23, 2012 05:41 AM (HaJD9)
Posted by: Vic at July 23, 2012 09:39 AM (YdQQY)
Alternate suggestions? How to punish the institution without harming all those gosh-darn innocents?
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 05:41 AM (mdhVr)
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Lord Collingwood RN (Mentioned in Dispatches) at July 23, 2012 05:42 AM (3xuEM)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 05:42 AM (A98Xu)
I know- it's confusing. The NCAA says the vacated wins will be noted on Paterno's record. It's not clear what this means.
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 23, 2012 05:43 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 23, 2012 05:43 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2012 05:43 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at July 23, 2012 05:43 AM (SDkq3)
5 -
Unfortunately that's the collateral damage when institutional cover-up of child sex abuse occurs. Most Catholic priests never inappropriately touched a child...yet after the scandal broke they wore the badge of shame and became the brunt of so many dirty jokes. Parishes disintegrated because the members just couldn't abide what they learned about one abuser priest who had been ensconced there. Vital ministries were unceremoniously shut down in order to pay monetary settlements to victims. Those individuals who had benefited from the ministries were in no way responsible for crimes committed by the pedo priests or their enablers...and yet they paid a very steep price.
The monetary and legal price that the Church has paid hopefully will serve as a deterrent to this type of criminal activity in future. And Penn State admins, BOT, football coaches, et al. may think twice in future before allowing a celebrated defensive coordinator to use the school athletic facilities as his own private kiddie porn playground.
Posted by: kallisto at July 23, 2012 05:43 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Penn State Music Major at July 23, 2012 05:44 AM (9tazo)
Posted by: A.G. at July 23, 2012 05:44 AM (rHTdD)
Posted by: major major major major at July 23, 2012 05:44 AM (utCAk)
Posted by: toby928© at July 23, 2012 05:45 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: A.G. at July 23, 2012 09:44 AM (rHTdD)
So the solution is to punish even more innocents, huh? One guy from Penn St. can ruin an entire school full of innocents? For shaaaame!
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 05:46 AM (mdhVr)
Posted by: huerfano at July 23, 2012 05:46 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: bannor, voting Sweet Meteor of Death 2012 at July 23, 2012 05:46 AM (HEa5q)
Posted by: toby928© at July 23, 2012 09:45 AM (QupBk)
he drops to #8, I think
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 23, 2012 05:46 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at July 23, 2012 05:46 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 05:47 AM (mdhVr)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at July 23, 2012 05:47 AM (SDkq3)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2012 05:48 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 09:30 AM (A98Xu)
Apparently it is...at least according to a few people around here.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 23, 2012 05:48 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 23, 2012 05:48 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: toby928© at July 23, 2012 05:49 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 05:49 AM (A98Xu)
Ins some ways this is worse.
Vacating all those wins (including any titles) will upset the Alumni. Denying them even a chance at further bowl games will upset them more. Upset Alumni often don't donate. Thus it's a hit to the pocket book.
Allowing the players to transfer (I think this means they don't have to do the normal "sit out one year" thing) means your most promising players are going to try to go to schools where they have a chance at a title in the next 4 years. Telling players they can stay at school with their full scholarships and not have to play is a blow to both the football program and the University's pocket book.
This is rather like giving them the Death Sentence, but the method of execution being starvation rather than a quick needle or ride on the lightning.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 23, 2012 05:50 AM (8y9MW)
Wouldn't be surprising to find out a group of hardcore "Penn State Uber Alles!" alumni will have raised most of this money by late today.
To say the NCAA acted stupidly is the understatement of the week. The team is banned from making more money for the athletic program by not going to bowl games for a while? Wow, that'll teach 'em!
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 23, 2012 05:50 AM (wZI4b)
It still boggles my mind that the PSU higher ups protected the pedo. For any reason. Not just their precious reputation.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk, Snark Solutions, Inc. at July 23, 2012 05:50 AM (/inUg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2012 05:51 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: JEM at July 23, 2012 05:52 AM (o+SC1)
It will destroy recruiting for years. That is a profound deficit to make up for any football program, much less one with a reputation for raping children.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 23, 2012 05:52 AM (nEUpB)
Get molested by someone at Penn State and there's a chance you came.
Get molested by the NCAA and there's a chance you'll wind up totally uneducated, hobbling around on a destroyed body at age 23, and dead fucking broke.
Posted by: Barack Obama is still a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at July 23, 2012 05:52 AM (qxcKC)
Posted by: toby928© at July 23, 2012 05:53 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2012 09:51 AM (05RcU)
Interesting. Will Penn St. now sink to the level of the rest of the Big 10? Discuss.
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 05:53 AM (mdhVr)
Oh Christ, like you guys are doing jackshit more for the victims than those of us pointing out the futility of punishing "institutions". When everyone is to blame, no one is to blame.
These sanctions punish people who did nothing wrong, that's a fact. Pointing that out doesn't mean I'm on a side, it just means I'm rational.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 05:53 AM (HethX)
I'd also like to see some civil liability trials for the PSU officials still around that didn't do squat like Paterno.
Posted by: Roy at July 23, 2012 05:53 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Mercy Vetsel at July 23, 2012 05:53 AM (9zoEP)
Chuck Shumer scheduling a press conference as I type this...
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 23, 2012 05:54 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 23, 2012 05:54 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2012 05:54 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: polynike at July 23, 2012 05:54 AM (Xfofp)
Money is fungible. But, unless you're the US Government, it is also finite. They're going to have to pick between football and academics. If they raise tuition and fees because of it, they'll run off new students (and even some old). Even if the Alumni come up with most, or all, of it, that's money they would have donated anyway, but now it's used to pay those penalties instead of subsidize University Operations.
Granted, it's not a perfect solution, but nothing would have been. Even the Death Penalty has its drawbacks.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 23, 2012 05:55 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 23, 2012 05:55 AM (nZvGM)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2012 05:56 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 05:56 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 23, 2012 05:56 AM (Ho2rs)
"1984"'s Ministry of Truth; George Orwell would be pleased.
Now - on to eviscerate all other enablers in America. Wasn't John Wayne Gacy a Boy Scout? Let's vacate all those "Jam-borees" (IYKWIMAITYD).
Posted by: A One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at July 23, 2012 05:56 AM (eMtQ2)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 09:53 AM (HethX)
You aren't pointing out anything we didn't know. And when you point it out, what's your point? What's your plan for punishing PSU while not punishing any innocents. Like somebody upthread said, try buying a stolen car and watch an innocent get punished.
And if someone wants to tell me the secret of formatting, I'm all ears.
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 05:57 AM (mdhVr)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 23, 2012 05:57 AM (9TTOe)
They should have been banned from football for a for as long as the crimes were known to be happening. Period.
Posted by: trainer at July 23, 2012 05:58 AM (IVoJS)
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Penn St.had losing seasons in four of five seasons from 2000 to 2004. They were apparently already there.
Posted by: RioBravo at July 23, 2012 05:58 AM (eEfYn)
You don't get it.
The football culture at PSU saw child rape as less bad than any damage to its own reputation. It was the football program's hubris that caused this.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 23, 2012 05:58 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 23, 2012 09:56 AM (Ho2rs)
Not every action taken in the case has to help the kids that got raped. Some actions take the form of punishment of perpetrators/enablers. This is one.
The kids that got raped are free to sue in civil court. Having a criminal conviction will smooth the path.
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 05:58 AM (mdhVr)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 23, 2012 09:52 AM
Lemme break out the violin! I admit to being no fan of college "sports," but when violations of this magnitude are uncovered anywhere, business or sport (same thing in this case), I would consider turning the PS football stadium into a flat patch of dirt a minimum punishment.
Crimes were committed; concern about "The Program" seems misplaced, to put it mildly.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 23, 2012 05:59 AM (wZI4b)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 23, 2012 09:56 AM (Ho2rs)
it doesn't. But the NCAA will tell itself that it does.
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 23, 2012 05:59 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Tami at July 23, 2012 05:59 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2012 05:59 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: CJ at July 23, 2012 05:59 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: eman at July 23, 2012 06:00 AM (bbW7j)
It is quite possible for a few bad apples to spoil the whole barrel. Decent people don't want anything to do with Penn State, not as a matter of punishment but as a matter of personal honor. It will be shunned by folks with moral standards. The rest, eh, well, I guess football really is all that important to them.
Posted by: Popcorn at July 23, 2012 06:00 AM (OOehk)
Posted by: toby928© at July 23, 2012 06:00 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 06:00 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 23, 2012 06:00 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 23, 2012 09:55 AM (nZvGM)
Yup, punishing James Holmes will definitely Harm Innocents and won't Help Victims.
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 06:00 AM (mdhVr)
Posted by: polynike at July 23, 2012 06:01 AM (F1lOF)
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Perhaps there are a few more team nicknames and mascots for the stupid *ucks to deal with.
Posted by: RioBravo at July 23, 2012 06:01 AM (eEfYn)
"5 Oh goody, a bunch of people who have never touched a kid inappropriately get to pay the price for something a dead guy did. Sweet justice.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 09:29 AM (HethX)"
Fuck that shit, they can transfer to any other university and play ball with no penalty. It's an inconvenience, but hardly punishment. Would you be against the punishment of parents who commit crimes because it would by extension punish their children?
And the punishment to PSU still isn't enough, in my opinion. The football program should be completely closed down for four years minimum, and several years more would be preferable. The program, when allowed to return to activity, should be downgraded to Division II status for the next 10 years with the ability to petition the NCAA to become D-1 after a thorough review of the program at that time.
If aiding and abetting child rape does not merit the death penalty, the NCAA should cut a check to SMU for the amount of revenue lost because of their punishment, because there is nothing that merits such punisment. It's unconscionable that PSU should be allowed to have a football team of any kind after what they allowed to happen to those kids.
Posted by: holygoat at July 23, 2012 06:01 AM (auGuV)
Posted by: Cricket at July 23, 2012 06:01 AM (DrC22)
I'm on your side then. I was merely pointing out that this will damage the football program.
If it were up to me I would have closed the football program down and blown up the stadium.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 23, 2012 06:01 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at July 23, 2012 06:01 AM (MrM2k)
Individual human beings did that, not a collective culture. Paterno and Co. are rightly charged with being guilty of keeping the matter a secret. In what world does that translate to "everybody knew"? Gotta be one or the other.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 06:02 AM (HethX)
Posted by: PSU Grad at July 23, 2012 06:02 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 06:03 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at July 23, 2012 06:03 AM (71LDo)
Posted by: CJ at July 23, 2012 09:59 AM (9KqcB)
Its shameful the way its a regular meat market on the talents isn't it?
Posted by: The NFL and NBA at July 23, 2012 06:03 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: polynike at July 23, 2012 10:01 AM (F1lOF)
Um. Are you accusing the DA and law enforcement officers of having probable cause and doing nothing?
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 06:03 AM (mdhVr)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at July 23, 2012 06:03 AM (MrM2k)
it wasn't a non related football issue, the football program and then the university covered up for a pedo and gave him more access to kids.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk, Snark Solutions, Inc. at July 23, 2012 06:04 AM (/inUg)
Oh, he's looking up from the place he resides.
Posted by: baldilocks at July 23, 2012 06:04 AM (6kWFm)
The NCAA prez said the death penalty would have hurt people that had nothing to do with the case. I presume he meant contractors and vendors that provided services on game days, stuff like that
Unless I'm Completely Wrong.
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 23, 2012 06:04 AM (8sCoq)
False dichotomy. Never really run an organization, have you? Individuals must take blame as also the institution for which they were responsible.
Posted by: Popcorn at July 23, 2012 06:04 AM (OOehk)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 10:02 AM (HethX)
Are you familiar with the phrase "lack of institutional control"?
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 06:05 AM (mdhVr)
Good point. And we should never have invaded Germany. After all, it was a group of individuals who perpetrated the holocaust and the destruction of Europe. It wasn't fair to the German people.
And let's not start with Japan!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 23, 2012 06:06 AM (nEUpB)
How about, you know, actually punishing those guilty of covering it up and you don't punish those who didn't do anything wrong in your zeal to "set an example"?
It wasn't the "football program" that raped little boys and then didn't report the crimes. It was specific people that did those things and it really doesn't matter why they covered it up. Punish those guys and quit the witch hunt round up and mass punishment of those that didn't do anything wrong.
Posted by: SGT Ted at July 23, 2012 06:06 AM (arV2e)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 06:07 AM (HethX)
The worst that happens to students is that some won't be able to play a game in their spare time while they're getting their college education.
Student athletes are attending Penn State for an education, right? Because, I mean, if they were there mainly for football then they really should be paid to play the game. Right?
I do feel sorry for the other academic departments and college employees who will find their revenue stream compromised. But that's what happens when you build an institution around sacrificing children to keep your precious money falling from the sky: If you don't want your money to go away, then don't allow your employer to get away with stupid and immoral things.
Posted by: GalosGann at July 23, 2012 06:08 AM (T3KlW)
Posted by: SGT Ted at July 23, 2012 06:08 AM (arV2e)
Posted by: eman at July 23, 2012 06:09 AM (bbW7j)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at July 23, 2012 09:47 AM (SDkq3)
Don't know about that.
Posted by: Mercedes at July 23, 2012 06:09 AM (1grxW)
And let's not start with Japan!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 23, 2012 10:06 AM (nEUpB)
Do you blame the entire US military when one soldier goes crazy?
People are just lamenting the fact that A LOT of innocent people are paying a price for this.
Posted by: Tami at July 23, 2012 06:09 AM (X6akg)
Life isn't perfect.
Keep supporting the culture at PSU. I hope you never are exposed to that kind of institutional evil.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 23, 2012 06:09 AM (nEUpB)
Once everyone stops gloating, think about what this means. You have effectively removed most funding for all other athletic programs at Penn State - so Title IX meets the rule of unintended consequences.
And while I think there should be criminal punishment for crimes committed, I don't see how the NCAA has any jurisdiction over non-football events. I also have to look at Louis Freeh. Remember him? Waco? Ruby Ridge? Vince Foster's 'suicide'? Ring any bells? I'm supposed to take his report as gospel?
I have no allegiance to Penn State, and yet I can see that a lot of what drives this is feeling...which is not how you judge crimes.
Posted by: nonpartisan at July 23, 2012 06:10 AM (l8a2X)
Posted by: rockmom at July 23, 2012 06:10 AM (vvEHK)
Posted by: FUBAR at July 23, 2012 09:41 AM (mdhVr)
Gee you demonstrate why this is not punishment. Why not leave this to the law for "punishment". The football team did not commit these crimes, people did.
If college football is the root of this evil then eliminate all college sports to "protect" the innocent.
Posted by: Vic at July 23, 2012 06:10 AM (YdQQY)
A sporting contest is about what occurs on the field--that's supposed to be the beauty of it. Should we vacate the Olympic medals of every athlete representing a country with a government that abuses its citizens?
And the NCAA meting out justice is always a farce, as a more hypocritical organization you'd be hard-pressed to find. For example, they jab Penn State for putting football first. Hello? What do the letters in their name stand for again? Who is more responsible for the elevation of college sports to a superior position over academics than the NCAA?
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at July 23, 2012 06:11 AM (IGYyt)
Absolutely not! But that's not what happened here.
A representative of PSU football raped many boys over a period of many years, and the program protected him.
That is radically different than a lone soldier going nuts.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 23, 2012 06:11 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Mr Tea at July 23, 2012 06:12 AM (S5qYN)
Yeah, he means it would have "hurt" the fuckin' NCAA "brand" to have a Big Team shunted off to the sidelines.
Punishment always hurts people who "had nothing to do with" the crime. There is no other way, except to either ignore the crime or hand out namby-pamby "punishments," which is what was done here.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 23, 2012 06:12 AM (wZI4b)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 06:12 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Da Pope at July 23, 2012 06:12 AM (3ZjAP)
Posted by: toby928© at July 23, 2012 06:12 AM (QupBk)
What are they going to do to the DA and Law
enforcement officers who had Sandusky in 1995 but did nothing with him?
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Sandusky skated in 1998 because a psychologist testified that based on the evidence, JS was not a pedophile. You know the interview that was secretly recorded between the child's mom and Sandusky, when he started crying? The police directed her to ask him if he got sexual pleasure from being with her son, and he said NO. The psychologist used this denial of affection, as it were to make the determination that he wasn't a pedo.
The psychologist who testified in Sandusky's favor later was the beneficiary of an $11k contract with PSU.
Posted by: kallisto at July 23, 2012 06:12 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Satan at July 23, 2012 06:12 AM (1grxW)
Posted by: CLP at July 23, 2012 06:13 AM (i4ALx)
Posted by: cajun carrot at July 23, 2012 06:13 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: cajun carrot at July 23, 2012 06:15 AM (UZQM8)
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Individuals protected him......
Posted by: Tami at July 23, 2012 06:15 AM (X6akg)
Does the NCAA want Joe Pahaha, Child Pedo cover up artist, @ at the top of career wins forever...I think not.
Posted by: The NFL and NBA at July 23, 2012 06:15 AM (FIDMq)
I wish Joe Paterno had lived long enough to see this.
Oh, he's looking up from the place he resides.
His face is burried in a mattress of shit...until Helen Thomas gets here.
Posted by: Barbed Cock of Satan at July 23, 2012 06:15 AM (mKyjy)
Err... yes?
Though I suspect that's a separate question.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 23, 2012 06:16 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Tami at July 23, 2012 10:09 AM (X6akg)
No, they are doing much more than that. They are saying that any kind of institutional punishment is wrong. I'll give my example again: Is it wrong to fine BP for the Gulf oil spill knowing that innocent employees and shareholders will be impacted? How about any SEC fine against public companies for fraud? One doesn't need to take their logic to any extreme to see its absurdity. One only needs to open the newspaper on any given day.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 23, 2012 06:16 AM (nZvGM)
Posted by: DC Zombie at July 23, 2012 06:16 AM (b96e6)
Posted by: Robert at July 23, 2012 06:16 AM (YKxfx)
Penn State was JoPa, its that simple! He and his buttboys in the administration, athletic and otherwise, elected to engage in the cover-up for the sake of avoiding embarrassment to PSU.Now PSU athletics is a highly embarrassed, D-2 equivalent college program!The irony is thick enough to require a chainsaw.
Posted by: earl t at July 23, 2012 06:16 AM (It3S3)
Posted by: Satan at July 23, 2012 10:12 AM (1grxW)
My school, UNC-CH. When did you cheer for anyone else you piker?
Posted by: Chris "tingle legs" Mathews at July 23, 2012 06:16 AM (3ZjAP)
Posted by: docweasel at July 23, 2012 06:17 AM (h0KX8)
Posted by: SGT Ted at July 23, 2012 06:17 AM (arV2e)
Posted by: eman at July 23, 2012 06:18 AM (bbW7j)
The NCAA guy on ESPN said they will monitor to ensure that the fine doesn't affect so-called non-revenue sports. Penn State has over a billion in cash so they should be able to handle it anyway.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 23, 2012 06:18 AM (9YUug)
Posted by: Old Coach at July 23, 2012 06:18 AM (LYbxI)
I think we're missing what different agencies can (or should) do about this.
The Criminal Justice System is holding the actual criminal responsible, and has put him away for a long, long time (100 years or something like that?).
The NCAA is punishing the program, of which those Individuals were leaders. Face it: Joe Pa was Penn State football. In many ways, he was Penn State.
If they're wise, the affected victims will use the civil courts to hold those individuals personally responsible.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 23, 2012 06:18 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 23, 2012 06:19 AM (cQpP1)
Isn't the school publicly funded? So don't the Tax Payers now git the bill? Sure, they can say the football program is going to pay for it, but it's still the universtity that's on the hook for the cash, which means it's the tax payers of Pennsylvania who get to pay for it.
If they really wanted to make certain that Football wasn't above the "common good", the NCAA should have kicked them out period.
Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at July 23, 2012 06:19 AM (D8pR3)
Posted by: cajun carrot at July 23, 2012 10:15 AM (UZQM
Yowzer. Off 229 as of 10:20 Eastern. It's all about Spain, of course (snerk snork).
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at July 23, 2012 06:19 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: eman at July 23, 2012 06:19 AM (bbW7j)
Irony, thy name is somebody.
How about give me $10M from your bank account to "punish" BP execs who committed "crimes".
Posted by: Vic at July 23, 2012 06:19 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: David of PA at July 23, 2012 06:20 AM (tPdIW)
Posted by: toby928© at July 23, 2012 06:20 AM (QupBk)
They're going to crap all over him, and then we're going to give Jerry Sandusky a knife and fork and make him eat old Joe Pa raw.
Posted by: NCAA at July 23, 2012 06:20 AM (IGYyt)
So talking about innocents is ridiculous. A corporate hierarchy is punishing another corporate member.
Posted by: Barry Oflustercluck at July 23, 2012 06:20 AM (/inUg)
Posted by: Tami at July 23, 2012 06:21 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: None at July 23, 2012 06:22 AM (tKLxN)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 06:22 AM (HethX)
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at July 23, 2012 06:22 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Harvard Harry at July 23, 2012 06:23 AM (9tazo)
Weird, I thought Spain was "saved" a week ago.
Posted by: Waterhouse at July 23, 2012 06:23 AM (j071L)
In another hard hitting sanction, the NCAA has declared that while Penn State can continue to sell Peachy Paterno Ice Cream, it may do so only in a cup or cake cone. No sugar cones allowed for the next four years.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 23, 2012 06:25 AM (kdS6q)
The lasting punishment should come from the discretion of those who decide to go to Penn State for their football program, their education program, or to avoid a school with such a moral failure in its leadership.
I don't understand the NCAA, SMU gets death penalty, Penn State gets a slightly worse penalty than Texas A&M.
Vacating wins is as silly as not keeping score for young children. The players know who won or loss, and they won't forget it. Only an idiot thinks a judicial fiat erases those memories. However, I do think expunging JoePa's record, such that he doesn't receive an honor for being the "winningest coach" is a fair punishment. He's no innocent. He had a responsiblity, just like the Penn State officials, to report the crime to the police.
I rather abolish the NCAA, which does it fair share of harming athletes it claims to protect. The marketplace will sort Penn State out. For those officials, who willfully hid this information to "protect the University" (I read as protect their own jobs); I hope the victims sue them for their salaries. Yeah, I'm happy with the $60 million fine; that's about it. I like that the NCAA is allowing players to switch schools, but unhappy that the players need the NCAA's permission to do so. Penn State is right in allowing players opting to stay but not play to retain their scholarships.
Posted by: Leland at July 23, 2012 06:25 AM (1hLHC)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 06:25 AM (A98Xu)
I think you can and should, if the offenses occurred on the field and directly affected the outcomes. If you played an ineligible player, say a former professional, or you used booster money to pay a franchise player to come to your school.
I'm still trying to figure out why the hell Hakeem Nicks is going to have his records stand but with an asterick. That makes no sense to me at all. If he was ineligible, then it should be as if he didn't play. Otherwise, what's the point?
Oh hey since I brought up the scholarship issue below, shouldn't Hicks have to pay that scholarship money back if he's been found ineligible? That only seems right.
Posted by: alexthechick SMOD. Our only hope. at July 23, 2012 06:25 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Waterhouse at July 23, 2012 10:23 AM (j071L)
Yes, they were. Just like Greece has been 'saved' - three times so far.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 23, 2012 06:26 AM (cQpP1)
I have a feeling that's not the only money Penn State is going to be dishing out, so perhaps they ought to put it in a victims' fund, rather than the NCAA pocketing it.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at July 23, 2012 06:26 AM (IGYyt)
Off to learn how to drive a tractor. Should be fun.
Careful. You can catch gonorrhea from those things.
Posted by: Tractor Story Girl at July 23, 2012 06:26 AM (mKyjy)
Posted by: Fritz at July 23, 2012 06:27 AM (/ZZCn)
So SMU got the death penalty for recruiting violations and Penn State knowingly covered up child abuse and doesn't get the DP?
NCAA regs > child abuse?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 23, 2012 06:28 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: DrDrill at July 23, 2012 06:29 AM (j9oZw)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 23, 2012 06:29 AM (9TTOe)
His conviction was for sodomy.
Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at July 23, 2012 06:31 AM (PH+2B)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 06:31 AM (A98Xu)
Why not ban football at PSU for 10 years? Calculate what they would spend on football scholarships and 'profit' from the program for the tens years and assess that as the amount of the fine.
But rewrite history?
Posted by: RioBravo at July 23, 2012 06:32 AM (eEfYn)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 23, 2012 06:32 AM (cQpP1)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 23, 2012 06:34 AM (LIiTJ)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at July 23, 2012 06:35 AM (1hM1d)
Posted by: CJ at July 23, 2012 09:59 AM (9KqcB)
Yep, that's why I detest college sports.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 23, 2012 10:00 AM (9TTOe)
I used to say that college sports was the single most immoral institution in America. Now, I'll just say higher education in general. Just sucking up family and taxpayer money and spitting out graduates barely above high school level.
Posted by: CJ at July 23, 2012 06:36 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Vic at July 23, 2012 10:19 AM (YdQQY)
I've been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and find some logical coherence to your response, but I can find none. It doesn't address any point that I made. From your earlier posts you have given the impression that you find any kind of instititional punishment wrong because there are always innocent individuals who get hurt in that process. I can go through example after example - in both civil and criminal law - in which we as a society have determined that institutional punishment is necessary or desireable even though innocents are affected. And you would agree with nearly every one of them. But I'm sure you have a snarky comeback that will let you live with the delusion that you're capable of making a logical argument.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 23, 2012 06:36 AM (nZvGM)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at July 23, 2012 06:37 AM (1hM1d)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 06:37 AM (A98Xu)
So, the dead guy who followed the law and reported the incidents to the police (who did nothing) and the president of the university (who did nothing), is now the fall guy for some one who wasn't associated with the football program?
Does that mean that the person who took the photos of the black panthers at the Philadelphia polling place now get punished because the authorities didn't prosecute? I mean, he obviously "didn't do enough".
In a year of two when the gay lobby finds a court to support the man - boy love association, will this penalty be reversed?
Just askin ...
Posted by: Confused at July 23, 2012 06:37 AM (w5RwR)
I worked for two serious assholes when I first came into the Air Force (yeah, I know, too many to count there) who were Penis Staters. At least I now understand how they got that way.
I wonder if PSU's appeal will make it to the Supreme Court. If John Roberts determines the $60 million fine to be a retroactive sodomy tax....
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 23, 2012 06:38 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: eman at July 23, 2012 06:39 AM (bbW7j)
Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish™ at July 23, 2012 06:40 AM (ZKzrr)
I can see stripping wins from teams whose athletes used performance enhancing drugs or for taking money under the table, but these violations weren't something that gave the team a direct advantage on the field.
That being said, the staff and PSU administration should feel this the hardest, not just the football program. The administration of the school should be the ones receiving the Death Penalty.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 23, 2012 06:40 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: Notre Dame football at July 23, 2012 06:41 AM (hyP1j)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at July 23, 2012 06:41 AM (136wp)
Posted by: NCAA at July 23, 2012 06:42 AM (mKyjy)
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Except that he was associated with the football program. They allowed him access to their facilities including access to minors in those facilities - after they had reports of inappropriate activity.
Posted by: RioBravo at July 23, 2012 06:42 AM (eEfYn)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 06:42 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Country Singer (who loves teh ginger ladies) at July 23, 2012 06:42 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at July 23, 2012 06:43 AM (1hM1d)
Oh, and out of idle curiousity, what does Emmert plan to do with FAMU?
Their band merely killed one of their own, and brutally injured another member. It takes a lot of abuse to fracture someone's thigh bone.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at July 23, 2012 10:37 AM (1hM1d)
Dammit, I tell you what I am going to do. I'm going to ban South Dakota from NCAA postseason appearances because of their mascot!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mark Emmert at July 23, 2012 06:43 AM (1grxW)
Since when do conservatives use that as a rationalization to inflict unfairness intentionally?
Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish™ at July 23, 2012 06:45 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 23, 2012 06:45 AM (Ec6wH)
You have no "point". You are full of shit. Give me all your money because your institution is "guilty".
If the "institution" is guilty then get rid of the "institution".
Posted by: Vic at July 23, 2012 06:45 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: realityman at July 23, 2012 06:46 AM (obXkJ)
you, you are riding in a car with a driver who has drugs and a gun, a highway patrolman stops the car for a traffic violation, the driver shoots the patrolman and you get arrested as an accessory.
There is no way to adequately punish an institution without punishing people who passed through that institution or benefited from it.
Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at July 23, 2012 06:46 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 23, 2012 06:47 AM (9TTOe)
Thankfully the NCAA Charter does not direct them to address instances when child rape occurs at a governed insitution. But perhaps they should add that clause, and title it the No More Penn State Like Events clause.
IOW it is not their job, that is the job if the court system. It SHOULD also be the responsibility of the University, particularly the Board of Directors, but it appears that not many people in authority at PSU are too keen on meeting their moral obligations.
Posted by: ThomasD at July 23, 2012 06:47 AM (FA+FN)
Posted by: A.G. at July 23, 2012 06:47 AM (rHTdD)
I'd lol, but it's true. The only reason anyone gives a shit about this is because the victims were boys, not female students or townies.
Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish™ at July 23, 2012 06:48 AM (ZKzrr)
The likelihood of that occurring? Somewhere south oz zero, I'm afraid.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 23, 2012 06:48 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: nickless at July 23, 2012 06:48 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: nickless at July 23, 2012 10:48 AM (MMC8r)
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AmishDude might.
Posted by: Tami at July 23, 2012 06:50 AM (X6akg)
The football program should be disbanded, the stadium burned to the ground and salt poured on the smoldering ashes.
Posted by: flyonthewall at July 23, 2012 06:50 AM (aZ7lL)
Other than, you know, having a financial, or otherwise personal interest in an organization that turned a blind eye to child rape occurring in their very presence, and via the imprimatur of their big name in college sports...
Posted by: ThomasD at July 23, 2012 06:50 AM (FA+FN)
186 You guys missed the part about where we're going to dig Joe Paterno's rotting corpse up and drag him through the city streets behind a bus filled with kids from Second Mile.
They're going to crap all over him, and then we're going to give Jerry Sandusky a knife and fork and make him eat old Joe Pa raw.
Posted by: NCAA
Using my ancient nic for this one.
That's a good START
This is totally weak shit. All you fucking pederast-enablers talking about how unfair this is can suck a choad. Sandusky RAPED BOYS in the showers there. All because he was allowed to by an organizational mentality that protected the "reputation" and "wins" of this fuck all SPORT PROGRAM.
I don't give a shit about the players t here now. They can leave or stay without playing. They never got an old man's cock up their rectum at age 12.
So, fuck Penn State. A money fine is bullshit to a billion dollar endowment. Erasing records of the wins (it's not erasing the wins, morons, it's saying they don't "count"--big deal) isn't even real. It's chicken scratches on paper.
Tell you what, go volunteer to clean the showers at a max security prison alone, during shower time, for a year. Then tell me how "weak" this penalty is.
Good Lord, the depravity on the lot of you.
Posted by: hobgoblin at July 23, 2012 06:51 AM (MnGOz)
If the NCAA has a rule that the death penalty is handed out for repeat offenders, then they can't hand it out for a first time offender.
Posted by: MrCaniac at July 23, 2012 06:51 AM (1grxW)
Posted by: nickless at July 23, 2012 10:48 AM (MMC8r)
Can mathematicians run a good pattern?
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at July 23, 2012 06:51 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at July 23, 2012 06:52 AM (tYaDf)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at July 23, 2012 06:52 AM (136wp)
Posted by: BillyBob at July 23, 2012 06:53 AM (d3FpJ)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 23, 2012 06:54 AM (FDV5V)
Posted by: eman at July 23, 2012 06:54 AM (bbW7j)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 23, 2012 06:54 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Thunderb at July 23, 2012 06:55 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 06:55 AM (A98Xu)
If the "institution" is guilty then get rid of the "institution".
Posted by: Vic
So how is it a problem to take money away from the endowment that this institutional coverup created, then, Vic? No taxpayer money IS being ganked for this penalty. That's pure speculation on your part.
Posted by: hobgoblin at July 23, 2012 06:55 AM (MnGOz)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2012 06:56 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at July 23, 2012 06:56 AM (tYaDf)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 06:57 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: rockmom at July 23, 2012 06:58 AM (vvEHK)
No, MCPO, it's not bullshit to punish the institution. And this is PUNISHMENT. It's not supposed to help the victims directly. It's supposed to make turning a blind eye so fucking painful that it never happens again. Anywhere if possible.
Posted by: hobgoblin at July 23, 2012 06:58 AM (MnGOz)
Although they inexplicably let Paterno's son help coach the team for the rest of last season. Shows you how messed up things were there.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 23, 2012 06:59 AM (FDV5V)
Posted by: eman at July 23, 2012 06:59 AM (bbW7j)
The outcome hasn't been changed. They're just not included as part of the official record, because the success of program was abetted by morally repugnant behavior.
The record of wins and losses belongs to the program, not the players. This isn't professional sports. It's a game played as a hobby by students in college. These players won. They enjoyed winning. They got scholarship money. They got the education the institution provided. Nothing's been taken from them.
Posted by: GalosGann at July 23, 2012 07:00 AM (T3KlW)
Sandusky should be put down like the animal he is - no different that a rabid, frothing murderer.
All that said, I'm sad for those who had no idea this was going on and will have to suffer the consequences of shame and punishment. My son was intent on attending PSU next year, I think now it will come down to WV.
Posted by: David Duke at July 23, 2012 07:01 AM (PFg5i)
Good decision.
May each man who was molested in that atmosphere and at that school smile today, as they read the list of penalties.
Posted by: Who Knows at July 23, 2012 07:01 AM (W+Itt)
Posted by: Picky at July 23, 2012 07:01 AM (H5kz4)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 23, 2012 07:01 AM (ZGmNK)
Posted by: Dang at July 23, 2012 11:00 AM (Ky1+e)
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Seems appropriate. Michael Smith on an unending loop.
Posted by: Tami at July 23, 2012 07:02 AM (X6akg)
I'll leave this thread before the idiocy of your arguments makes me lose my breakfast.
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at July 23, 2012 07:02 AM (tYaDf)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 23, 2012 07:02 AM (9TTOe)
They were just as involved in the coverup.
Every administrator should have been fired. Posted by: BillyBob
They should actually be arrested. They would be in Texas. It's a crime to not report child abuse. Not sure about the laws there.
Posted by: Dang at July 23, 2012 07:03 AM (Ky1+e)
Posted by: nickless at July 23, 2012 07:03 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: rockmom at July 23, 2012 07:03 AM (vvEHK)
Well, let the crap storm start, but I'm more inclined to be outraged by child rape than a drunk college student waking up where she shouldn't have.
Well, count yourself lucky you aren't a co-ed or a little boy!
Thanks to the NCAA and football fans across the country - Institutional Corruption makes both an option!
Posted by: garrett at July 23, 2012 07:04 AM (mKyjy)
276 "I wish Joe Paterno had lived long enough to see this."
Do they get ESPN in hell?
I think they broadcast from there.
Posted by: Picky at July 23, 2012 07:04 AM (H5kz4)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 07:05 AM (A98Xu)
Do they get ESPN in hell
Posted by: Dang
Yes, but just reruns of SportsCenter with Keith Olbermann....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 23, 2012 07:05 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Golan Globus at July 23, 2012 07:06 AM (7vSU0)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 23, 2012 07:07 AM (7GyjN)
Posted by: Dang at July 23, 2012 07:07 AM (Ky1+e)
Posted by: Dang at July 23, 2012 11:00 AM (Ky1+e)
Yep. Reruns of Kilborne and Olbermann doing Sportscenter. Plus live updates from Berman with up to the minute news on Danica Patrick.
Posted by: MrCaniac at July 23, 2012 07:07 AM (1grxW)
He later perjured himself a couple of times to minimize his knowledge of events, but that might be an 80-something-year-old trying to remember things from 10 years ago.
I don't think you take away the wins is all. The team won those games, and the crime here had nothing to do with that. Fact is, he's lost his legacy, honor, reputation, whatever you want to call it regardless. So this is like pretending his accomplishments never happened, rather than admitting they did but saying, "Nevertheless, the bad outweighs the good...."
In a way, it undermines the very message it's supposed to send. "You facilitated and covered up a series of child molestations and now everyone knows? Well, okay, that means you lose a bunch of football games, too!"
Who wouldn't trade all those wins away not to have this blot on your life?
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at July 23, 2012 07:07 AM (IGYyt)
Where did I say anything about taxpayer money? What I said was punish the guilty. If the "institution" is guilty then get rid of it. "Institution" meaning college sports.
Posted by: Vic at July 23, 2012 07:09 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: yinzer at July 23, 2012 07:09 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: Dang at July 23, 2012 07:10 AM (Ky1+e)
Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at July 23, 2012 07:10 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 07:11 AM (A98Xu)
"Arab Thought FoundationÂ’s Fikr released its fourth annual cultural development report that said an Arab individual on average reads a quarter of a page a year compared to the 11 books read by an American and seven books by a British person. (Reuters)"
Posted by: RioBravo at July 23, 2012 07:11 AM (eEfYn)
Posted by: polynike at July 23, 2012 07:11 AM (WY3bD)
Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether they broke a few rules, or if Sandusky took a few liberties with some young boys -- he did.
>
But you can't hold a whole college responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole University system? And if the whole University system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, fellow morons -- isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
[ marches out of room, humming the Star-Spangled Banner]
Posted by: Eric "Otter" Stratton, MD at July 23, 2012 07:11 AM (YmPwQ)
That's relevant, though. Can't have that.
Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish™ at July 23, 2012 07:11 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: taylork at July 23, 2012 07:12 AM (ppNDn)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 23, 2012 07:12 AM (LIiTJ)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 23, 2012 07:13 AM (9TTOe)
So we punish people who were seven years old in 1998, because by enrolling in PSU in 2010 they were complicit. Brilliant.
Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish™ at July 23, 2012 07:13 AM (ZKzrr)
heh
of course
Posted by: soothsayer at July 23, 2012 11:07 AM (7GyjN)
It's always on a account of Europe because everything here is so peachy
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 23, 2012 07:14 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: yinzer at July 23, 2012 07:14 AM (/Mla1)
He later perjured himself a couple of times to minimize his knowledge of events, but that might be an 80-something-year-old trying to remember things from 10 years ago.
I don't think you take away the wins is all. The team won those games, and the crime here had nothing to do with that. Fact is, he's lost his legacy, honor, reputation, whatever you want to call it regardless. So this is like pretending his accomplishments never happened, rather than admitting they did but saying, "Nevertheless, the bad outweighs the good...."
In a way, it undermines the very message it's supposed to send. "You facilitated and covered up a series of child molestations and now everyone knows? Well, okay, that means you lose a bunch of football games, too!"
Who wouldn't trade all those wins away not to have this blot on your life?
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at July 23, 2012 11:07 AM (IGYyt)
So Joe Pa should be heralded as the coach with the most wins in NCAA football? Joe Pa made his choice in 1998 to go after the record even though his good friend and longtime assistant was sodomizing young boys in the showers at Penn State. Joe Pa's buddy was also traveling with him to away football games and bringing along his little boys so that he could stick his dick in them while traveling.
Now instead of having his name in the record books and receiving the barbed cock of Satan, he is just receiving the barbed cock of Satan.
Posted by: MrCaniac at July 23, 2012 07:14 AM (1grxW)
Announce that they accept the NCAA's verdict, intend to fully comply, and are going the further step of suspending the entire football program indefinitely. Only to be restarted at such time when the program can be run with honesty, integrity, and will no longer serve as a source of anger, division, or pain.
If the Board won't do it then the Pennsylvania legislature should do it for them.
Posted by: ThomasD at July 23, 2012 07:15 AM (FA+FN)
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Just like all American religious institutions are at fault for pedophile priests and rabbis?
Posted by: RioBravo at July 23, 2012 07:15 AM (eEfYn)
It's ridiculous that it's in storage. As a PA native, I can tell you this: they put it there because they expect to put it back on display when this dies down. That's how twisted some of these people are when it concerns their beloved JoePa.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 23, 2012 07:15 AM (FDV5V)
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2012 07:15 AM (Xfofp)
Posted by: CLP at July 23, 2012 07:15 AM (i4ALx)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 23, 2012 07:16 AM (TXseM)
Posted by: Picky at July 23, 2012 07:16 AM (H5kz4)
Posted by: Fritz at July 23, 2012 07:16 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: nickless at July 23, 2012 07:17 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: . at July 23, 2012 07:17 AM (hyP1j)
Uh, European markets being down 3%+ is going to have a bit of an impact on investor sentiment in the US.
Posted by: Waterhouse at July 23, 2012 07:17 AM (j071L)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 23, 2012 07:18 AM (xIRXC)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 23, 2012 07:18 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 23, 2012 07:19 AM (1zwZo)
Posted by: eman at July 23, 2012 07:19 AM (bbW7j)
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That's why those jerks eat gyros instead of real sandwiches.
Posted by: RioBravo at July 23, 2012 07:19 AM (eEfYn)
1998 by the victim's mother. That was a separate incident. The post above implied it was Paterno, saying "the guy" who reported it to his supervisors and police, which was the 2001 McQuery incident. Paterno told only Curley and Schultz.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at July 23, 2012 07:19 AM (IGYyt)
Do you know Greece needs?
Another election.
What a buncha fuggin jerks. They couldn't fix a sandwich.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 23, 2012 11:18 AM (xIRXC)
Wait, didn't they just have one? Whatta buncha maroons.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at July 23, 2012 07:19 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 23, 2012 07:20 AM (xrrIr)
Posted by: Scobface at July 23, 2012 07:20 AM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 23, 2012 11:18 AM (9TTOe)
Dude, it's your birthday. Have bourbon and watch the first two Godfather movies. (And HB, by the way.)
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at July 23, 2012 07:21 AM (RD7QR)
Where did I say anything about taxpayer money? What I said was punish the guilty. If the "institution" is guilty then get rid of it. "Institution" meaning college sports.
Posted by: Vic at July 23, 2012 11:09 AM (YdQQY)
College sports isn't the problem. Colleges are the problem. They have a voracious appetite for money, and the athletic departments are just another avenue for them to raise gobs of cash.
Posted by: MrCaniac at July 23, 2012 07:21 AM (1grxW)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 23, 2012 07:21 AM (FBxnv)
Posted by: Shit Paterno Never Said, Vol. 1 at July 23, 2012 07:21 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Dang at July 23, 2012 07:22 AM (Ky1+e)
I don't think that's the case at all. He's getting his punishment in jail time and 45 convictions. Everyone here is glad for it.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 23, 2012 07:22 AM (FDV5V)
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Equally guilty of the afore mentioned crime are the college administrators who Paterno reported this to. Why are they not being prosecuted?
Joe is dead, but these other people are not.
Posted by: Vic at July 23, 2012 07:22 AM (YdQQY)
"Do you know what Greece needs? "
A) Another election
B) Another bailout
C) More austerity
D) An enema
The answer is clear.
Posted by: Bloomberg, Cutting Edge Financial Analysis at July 23, 2012 07:22 AM (rX1N2)
If you weren't saying that these fines that punish non-athlete students are appropriate because everyone associated is guilty, you should have written that. Jerkface.
Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish™ at July 23, 2012 07:23 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 23, 2012 07:23 AM (bVNRW)
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2012 07:23 AM (9ek7+)
Posted by: Barry Oflustercluck at July 23, 2012 07:24 AM (/inUg)
According to ESPN, to the tune of about $60 million per year. EVERYONE benefited. Hell, they say as much when people decry the big money in football and basketball.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 23, 2012 07:24 AM (FDV5V)
#305 is right on the nose
I didnt hear anything about Spanier or the University officials that allowed this all to happen.
Instead they punish they dead guy and punch the teenage college athletes in the face.
The money is too low. Take all Penn States football money for 10 years. Let them play but dont allow PSU to reap the benefits. That would punish the University but not the kids. I thought of that in 5 minutes. You are telling me smart people cant come up with a few more fair punishments rather than knee jerk, for show, liberalish emotional symbolic actions.
This whole thing has been handled just how the liberals do things. For show, not for fairness or thoughtful justice.
Posted by: AJ at July 23, 2012 07:24 AM (5esZK)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 23, 2012 07:25 AM (1zwZo)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 23, 2012 07:25 AM (Ec6wH)
Melt down the statue of Joe and and make it a giant dick. Ass rape Jerry with it till he dies. Leave him for the birds and dogs to eat.
Posted by: Dang at July 23, 2012 07:26 AM (Ky1+e)
Posted by: Infidelswine at July 23, 2012 07:26 AM (Nyg1x)
Regarding @5--thousands of students are not being punished for Paterno's sins. They're being punished by a hypocritical NCAA, who should have no jurisdiction in this matter since these crimes had nothing to do with student-athletes, for the crimes of Sandusky and the incompetence and negligence of many administrators, of which Paterno was only one.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 23, 2012 11:19 AM (1zwZo)
I thought it was the lung cancer he got from breathing in the smoke surrounding Satan's barbed cock that killed him.
Posted by: MrCaniac at July 23, 2012 07:26 AM (1grxW)
Posted by: Rick at July 23, 2012 07:26 AM (Gfgj6)
They should actually be arrested. They would be in Texas. It's a crime to not report child abuse. Not sure about the laws there.
Two administrators were arrested and are on trial for perjury (and, I think, not reporting. That's a crime in PA too.) The former university president was fired but hasn't been charged yet. Paterno could have faced charges too, but he did at least tell his superiors, vaguely, about what Sandusky was seen doing.
If you read the Freeh report, you see that it wasn't really an active "coverup" -- they didn't delete incriminating emails or hide the police report over an earlier allegation -- instead, they just didn't do anything. Not in 1998 when a boy's Mom went to police, not in 2001 when a visibly shaken graduate assistant told them he saw Sandusky raping a boy. Even then, they opted to not tell authorities. They didn't inquire about the victim, and they didn't mind that there would be more victims. It was just passively evil.
Posted by: CJ at July 23, 2012 07:27 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Cheriebebe at July 23, 2012 07:27 AM (9dWvN)
Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at July 23, 2012 07:27 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Stirner at July 23, 2012 07:28 AM (TuxdR)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2012 07:28 AM (49lPc)
Then why is there several orders of magnitude more vitriol directed towards Paterno, or anyone who dares mention that he did do positive things long before the mid 1990s, than Sandusky every time one of these threads comes up?
People hate Hubris. That's why.
Patterno valued himself more than the children who were raped and sodomized.
He built a monument to himself on the assrape of little boys.
That's why.
Posted by: garrett at July 23, 2012 07:28 AM (mKyjy)
Posted by: SalvucciFumbles at July 23, 2012 07:28 AM (9ROHq)
Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at July 23, 2012 11:27 AM (GvYeG)
Poor, hapless Mitt -- wait, wut?
Posted by: Greg Dragonfly at July 23, 2012 07:29 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Vic at July 23, 2012 07:29 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 23, 2012 07:29 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: realityman at July 23, 2012 07:30 AM (obXkJ)
Joe Paterno. Pedobear wingman.
Posted by: eleven at July 23, 2012 07:31 AM (KXm42)
My guess? Because Sandusky already answered for his crimes. Paterno died before he could explain himself.
Some think that as the de facto head of University Park - and much of Pennsylvania - he should have done more. Add in that fact that PSU alums say Paterno was "all that's good in college football," people expected him to step up.
I think most of the Paterno bashing is more from disappointment than from just general hate.
(This from a guy who married into a Penn State family.)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 23, 2012 07:31 AM (FDV5V)
After the civil suits do you really think every aspect of that school will not be affected financially? That's just cold hard shit. That's what happens when the admin acts stupidly.
And as a student, do you really want someone who made those kinds of judgment calls in charge of your education?
Posted by: Dang at July 23, 2012 07:32 AM (Ky1+e)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 07:32 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at July 23, 2012 07:33 AM (GvYeG)
Lincolnntf:These sanctions punish people who did nothing wrong, that's a fact. Pointing that out doesn't mean I'm on a side, it justmeans I'm rational.
The Administration staff at Penn State harbored and aided a pedo, and used the football program to bait victims in. The NCAA cannot fire the administration there ( which is exactly what should have happened ), but they can make it clear that if anyone wants to play college football, they need to leave Penn State.
If this is too hard for you two football fuckheads, then please find another place to whine.
Posted by: Kristopher at July 23, 2012 07:33 AM (0aV2C)
Where's the poll troll who was here late last week gloating about Unstoppable Lovable Barky's Rasmussen lead?
Posted by: Waterhouse at July 23, 2012 07:33 AM (j071L)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 23, 2012 07:34 AM (LIiTJ)
The you agree with civil suits that punish taxpayers while the actual guilty SOBs walk?
Posted by: Vic at July 23, 2012 07:34 AM (YdQQY)
He claimed he didn't know. He waved like a buffoon to his supporters outside his house, knowing full well that he helped cover up Sandusky's crimes. He transferred the deed to his house over to his wife . . . basically going completely against his reputation as a fine, upstanding person.
I think a lot of people felt betrayed by that, and started to wonder if he was all that saintly to begin with.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 23, 2012 07:35 AM (FDV5V)
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 23, 2012 07:36 AM (bVNRW)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2012 07:36 AM (pmDdf)
The Ras poll is interesting because it also shows Obama as having a 49% approval rate, which is trending slightly higher than average (for Ras).
This may be a one-off thing, but it may demonstrate something we haven't considered: even if respondents approve of Obama's job performance, they may recognize that Mitt is better suited for the job.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 23, 2012 07:37 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 23, 2012 11:23 AM (bVNRW)
They could do that. They just would not be able to field teams in any sport. If they decided to go the club sports route, I think most other NCAA institutions would make sure that their club teams wouldn't play them.
I'm not sure how the Big 10 is set up, but the ACC is not only an athletic conference, but is also a research consortium that goes out and gets research grants for the member institutions. That is why the ACC did not want WVU as a member, and wanted Pitt, Syracuse, BC, and Miami as members. If the Big 10 does this, then it could be a big hit to some of their research grants.
Posted by: MrCaniac at July 23, 2012 07:37 AM (1grxW)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 23, 2012 07:37 AM (LIiTJ)
Posted by: Mark at July 23, 2012 07:37 AM (kdfHG)
Posted by: steve walsh at July 23, 2012 07:37 AM (nU8lz)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 23, 2012 07:39 AM (1zwZo)
Posted by: CLP at July 23, 2012 07:39 AM (i4ALx)
After ten years, Penn State will be ready to play football again. Nobody will remember why it took so long. Ten years. That's a long time for the focus to remain as intense as it is right now.
We've had sanctions against both of our two top teams here in OK. We've took them in stride and have out-lived them. Both teams are stronger for it. Penn State football will survive.
Posted by: Soona at July 23, 2012 07:39 AM (sO2LD)
Anyone know if the PSU sanctions are appealable?
I think the school has already come out and accepted them.
Posted by: CJ at July 23, 2012 07:39 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 23, 2012 07:41 AM (1zwZo)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 23, 2012 11:39 AM (1zwZo)
Actually I was talking about cops and other "civil servants" who abuse their authority and some person sues the "city" for said crimes.
The taxpayers suffer, and usually not the cop who committed the crime who is protected by the union. .
Posted by: Vic at July 23, 2012 07:41 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: steve walsh at July 23, 2012 07:42 AM (nU8lz)
FYI -- Guess who was pushing for the "winningest coach"
record to be vacated. Grambling's Eddie Robinson was one game behind JoPa.
(couldn't get the link to work, So I just copied and pasted)
City of Grambling wants Paterno record vacated
Grambling is the home of Grambling State University. Coach Eddie Robinson led Grambling to 408 victories during his career with the Tigers, a total that was passed by Paterno less than two weeks before he was fired as the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse... Full Article at Buffalo News
Just sayin'
Posted by: RushBabe at July 23, 2012 07:44 AM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2012 07:45 AM (LnQr8)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 23, 2012 07:47 AM (1zwZo)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 07:47 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Hedley Lamar at July 23, 2012 07:47 AM (FDV5V)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2012 07:48 AM (LnQr8)
Posted by: Y-not at July 23, 2012 07:49 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Sophistahick at July 23, 2012 07:50 AM (AqaMO)
Posted by: Infidelswine at July 23, 2012 07:56 AM (Nyg1x)
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The NCAA prez said the death penalty would have hurt people that had nothing to do with the case. I presume he meant contractors and vendors that provided services on game days, stuff like that
Unless I'm Completely Wrong.
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 23, 2012 10:04 AM (8sCoq)"
You're probably right, but too bad. I'll ask again, do we allow criminals in society to walk because their incarceration might harm innocent others who rely on them for daily needs? No. We don't do that. The point is that the death penalty is a just punishment for what the PSU football program allowed to happen, that being, the wanton rape of children.
Posted by: holygoat at July 23, 2012 07:57 AM (XnwWl)
Posted by: Woody Hayes at July 23, 2012 07:59 AM (msPO3)
Posted by: Roger at July 23, 2012 08:01 AM (6g/nh)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 23, 2012 11:47 AM (1zwZo)
The NCAA was set up by college and university presidents to be an "independent" body to oversee college athletics. Penn State is a member of the NCAA. Penn State's athletic department allowed a pedophile to use it's facilities to cornhole young boys. If the NCAA can crack down on a school for football players getting a tat for some old swag, then the NCAA can crack down on them for this issue. Penn State gave the NCAA the power to do that by joining the NCAA. If they don't like the NCAA, they could always join the NAIA or the USCAA.
Posted by: MrCaniac at July 23, 2012 08:09 AM (1grxW)
Paterno's name should be removed from any building at Penn State. Its too bad that he escaped punishment on this earth. I'm hoping he is receiving his just punishment in the afterlife.
I grew up in NEPA and have been a Nittany Lion supporter my whole life. This just hurts.
Posted by: mpfs at July 23, 2012 08:09 AM (iYbLN)
All possible "other adults" n this scenario cared more about FUCKING FOOTBALL than children getting assfucked n their lives completly ruined forever, potentially even destroying their souls!!!
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The school administrators in the Clinton County mom's district basically told her to go away because they had no interest in fighting the Penn State mob. That mother would not take no for an answer. She filed a complaint with CPS and that's what blew the lid off the whole thing.
Posted by: kallisto at July 23, 2012 08:13 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: mare at July 23, 2012 08:14 AM (A98Xu)
There's nothing to stop people from bringing civil suits against the guilty SOBs, too. They're private citizens with no special protection.
Any large entity that receives huge piles of state and federal funding presents a risk to taxpayers. The alternative is that they're completely unaccountable, basically holding public money hostage to avoid scrutiny.
Posted by: GalosGann at July 23, 2012 08:15 AM (T3KlW)
Posted by: Soviet Leadership at July 23, 2012 08:17 AM (JRU+g)
Having a bad football team is not the same as the plight of half a million German women at the hands of Russia.
Posted by: Reality Man at July 23, 2012 08:21 AM (L2x1w)
The you agree with civil suits that punish taxpayers while the actual guilty SOBs walk?
Posted by: Vic
No. I'm just stating a fact.
Posted by: Dang at July 23, 2012 08:22 AM (Ky1+e)
Posted by: Infidelswine at July 23, 2012 08:22 AM (Nyg1x)
Posted by: Y-not at July 23, 2012 08:23 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Soviet Leadership at July 23, 2012 08:23 AM (JRU+g)
Posted by: Soviet Leadership at July 23, 2012 08:26 AM (JRU+g)
Posted by: MikeinAmman at July 23, 2012 08:30 AM (MDFeT)
I'm going contrarian here.
18YO gay men are not boys. PSU probably felt it would be anti-gay to make a stink.
The gay agenda is very potent. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
This just sounds like sound sado-masochistic dom/sub action, normal in the gay community.
not that here is anything wrong with that.
Posted by: lonetown at July 23, 2012 08:32 AM (7EyL4)
Posted by: Y-not at July 23, 2012 08:34 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Tom at July 23, 2012 08:34 AM (kl5rr)
It's called collective punishment. Sins of the father. We hope you approve. Posted by: Soviet Leadership
No, dipshit, this isn't "collective punishment" any more than the firebombing of Dresden, Tokyo, or Hamburg was "collective punishment." Or Hiroshima and Nagasaki were "collective punishment. This is every bit a war against an insidious, pernicious enemy that people would rather ignore and allow to fester than do the right thing and stop child bloody RAPE.
The students are to an extent innocent collateral damage, and that's a shame. But there is no reform without punishment. Period. All of the slaps on the wrist, the small civil suits, the bad press, NOTHING reformed the Catholic Church until the big financial verdicts rolled in. Same with teh Scouts, same with all of these pederast enabling organizations.
Booo fucking hooo, Joe Paterno's legacy is turned to shit and some football players don't get to go to bowl games (if they don't transfer or just quit playing to, you know, actually get an education).
Boo fucking hoo.
Posted by: imp at July 23, 2012 08:42 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: Tom at July 23, 2012 08:45 AM (kl5rr)
Posted by: Infidelswine at July 23, 2012 08:49 AM (Nyg1x)
"It's called "compassion", Bevel, and recognition that the man was not evil unmixed."
I have compassion--for the CHILDREN Sandusky raped. McQueary told Paterno what he saw in the PSU FOOTBALL LOCKER ROOM SHOWER. All Paterno had to do to back up his "Success with Honor" crap was to pick up the phone and call 911. He did not do that. In fact, when PSU higher-ups told Paterno they wanted to call the cops, he talked them out of it. Fuck "Joe Pa." Fuck his legacy. He fucked his own legacy.
And anyone who is sad about being a student at PSU can...transfer out. I really wonder what is wrong with the rape-apologists on this and other threads, I really do.
Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at July 23, 2012 08:50 AM (7v5Ct)
I'm still wondering why same-sex pedophiles are not considered to be gay.
Ask a gay person or a one of their straight suppoters this question and prepare for the explosion.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 23, 2012 08:55 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: SAHMmy at July 23, 2012 08:58 AM (K3aN1)
Posted by: Todd Bridges, first to go bad, last to go down at July 23, 2012 09:02 AM (x60m8)
I would suspect that UVa is sweating out the coming lawsuit from the parents of the girls' lacrosse player who was murdered by a guys' lacrosse player. Said guy had an ongoing history ON CAMPUS of being violent when drunk, which was frequently. "Everyone" on the lacrosse teams knew about the problem, but, hey, they were headed for the championship that season.
Posted by: museisluse at July 23, 2012 09:07 AM (kwvp5)
Posted by: Angrybell at July 23, 2012 09:11 AM (cQ6oO)
"> I never understiood the "stripping" of wins of titles.
Yes, it has a Stalinist, Orwellian feel to it. As though some arbitrary edict from a bureaucracy has the power to "officially" change facts from history. "
The answer to why: Its a military tradition, like the stripping of medals before a superior, because he fucked up and those kids trusted him. And all those bragging rights right across the whole Penn State economical infrastructure gets shamed as a punishment as well. Its a cruel and unusual punishment and I like it.
Posted by: fnord at July 23, 2012 09:13 AM (P620A)
Posted by: Daryl Herbert at July 23, 2012 09:13 AM (mv7aW)
Posted by: The Pitt at July 23, 2012 09:21 AM (rUB/V)
Penn State appeals, the appeals board finds that no NCAA rules were broken except possibly lack of institutional oversight and that NCAA rules were not followed in relying on the Freeh report instead of an NCAA investigation.
Penn State gets sincerity points for taking down the statue, NCAA slaps them on the wrist quietly.
I wish it weren't so, but I bet that's what happens.
Posted by: VKI at July 23, 2012 09:35 AM (TKoA3)
Of course Penn State can't take this to court and challenge it because they would look like they are pro-pedophilia.
Oh wait. They already look that way.
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at July 23, 2012 09:37 AM (Gkhxf)
Posted by: Huggy at July 23, 2012 09:39 AM (VtU/3)
Posted by: toby928© at July 23, 2012 09:41 AM (QupBk)
I suppose the reasons given are as good as any. Despite being a Pennsylvanian, I've never understood the whole cult thing that surrounds Penn State (as well as college sports nationwide). If the NCAA had decided to nuke the PSU football program it wouldn' bother me a bit. But unless Paterno unleashed Sandusky inside the opposing teams' locker room, I still see taking away wins as pointless.
Joe Paterno looked like one of the miserable old gavones who would pour hot water on trick-or-treaters from his upstairs window that lived in my South Philly neighborhood.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 23, 2012 09:47 AM (YmPwQ)
You could tear down the stadium, never take another dollar for the football program, fire everyone associated with the football team, change the mascot, school colors, and every single thing associated with PSU football - and it would still not be enough to compensate the victims. Ever.
However, it's apparently not enough for the PSU hating morons either - even though they're suffering was limited to reading about it.
Posted by: David Duke at July 23, 2012 10:01 AM (PFg5i)
Second Mile no longer exists.
The consent agree explicitly states that no funds may be taken from any other sport.
Posted by: Gerry at July 23, 2012 10:05 AM (pVp7U)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2012 10:15 AM (tmzN0)
"The following statement was issued this morning by Penn State president Rodney Erickson:
(clip) Against this backdrop, Penn State accepts the penalties and corrective actions announced today by the NCAA. With today's announcement and the action it requires of us, the University takes a significant step forward." http://is.gd/dt5MAa
Rodney Erickson will not appeal, but isn't he an interim president since they fired the last guy over this?
My prediction: Penn State gets a new president, they appeal, pretty much win, and PSU is back in good with the NCAA by Fall 2013, 2014 at the latest.
Posted by: VKI at July 23, 2012 10:42 AM (TKoA3)
Posted by: Y-not at July 23, 2012 10:50 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: toby928© at July 23, 2012 10:59 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: steevy at July 23, 2012 11:14 AM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Y-not at July 23, 2012 11:32 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Roger at July 23, 2012 11:33 AM (6g/nh)
Posted by: Y-not at July 23, 2012 11:40 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: madamex at July 23, 2012 12:20 PM (e9LVX)
Posted by: stillers at July 23, 2012 12:29 PM (FKAOW)
Plus the missing, probably dead DA, that took an interest in the matter.
Posted by: madamex at July 23, 2012 04:20 PM (e9LVX)
Right. So now the NCAA is saying that the Football Wins that they love more than right and wrong and justice will get vacated if the truth ever comes out. Even a decades worth.
Maybe this will keep them from hiding the next case at this or some other school.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 23, 2012 12:49 PM (z1N6a)
The NCAA exec committee used a vague bylaw to authorize the President to negotiate a plea deal while holding a gun to the head of the member school.
http://bit.ly/NQox2C
The NCAA already follows an arbitrary, almost capricious way of handing out penalties. Why allow even more arbitrary power?
Oregon, North Carolina and Miami now have a way of getting a sweetheart deal from Imperial President Mark Emmert.
Posted by: GulfCoastTider at July 23, 2012 01:35 PM (XK4jH)
That said, I have no problems with the sanctions except for vacating the wins. What is this, Bobby Ewing coming out of the shower? You can change whatever you want in a record book, but he won those games.
Posted by: Ombudsman at July 23, 2012 01:41 PM (zXLtf)
"There has to be a way for the NCAA, which can't find its ass with both hands, to sanction a University without punishing kids who were 8 years old when this shit happened. Unfortunately, I dont think there is a way."
I think heavy fines are the way to go. I also think imposing show cause orders on the coaches and administrators directly shown to have been a part of the rule-breaking helps, too.
Jim Tressel will likely never work in college football again, and $60 million is the equivalent of an entire year's worth of football revenue at Penn State.
I just don't like the idea of ONE MAN negotiating such a deal with a member school while holding a gun to their heads.
"... with thunderous applause." -- Natalie Portman
Posted by: GulfCoastTider at July 23, 2012 02:24 PM (XK4jH)
I would like to say that I love this website; but have to disagree not only with the commenters on collective punishment, but also several of the bloggers. This collecitive punishment by the NCAA is wrong, IMO. Glenn Beck had a good argument on his show on why this was excesive, for those who want to hear it. Vacating wins from 1998-2011 is BS, Sandusky wasn't involved in this. Plus, the crimes he committed never gave PSU an advantage on the field. This is my main reason for not wanting the NCAA involved. Also, no administer, according to the Freeh report is still at the university. If we are going to go after everbody involved why are we not criticising his wife and the charity he ran?
I know some of the commentators will disagree with me and thats fine, you are entitled to your opinion. FYI, a buddy of mine was reading in the Bible the other day when he came across the passages that mention that the sins of the father should not carry over to the son and vice versa. Let us all hope we never have mob justice against us.
Posted by: Midnight Clad at July 23, 2012 02:42 PM (LkbiA)
Posted by: Roger at July 23, 2012 03:12 PM (TOVGS)
A little advice to little boys who find a little diddling such a minor thing that youÂ’re willing to keep it a secret; play your cards right and youÂ’re in the money. You know right from wrong and wrong is where the money is. Reporting the diddler doesnÂ’t do much for you. Just you and the pervert and all you get out of it is the pittance of money not extracted by the pervertÂ’s lawyers and a whole bunch of embarrassment.
No the real money is to let him continue on with a bunch of other kids so you can crucify what ever establishment he is attached to. Introduce him to other kids you know. You need to get a bunch of other kids involved to really maximize the attention and shift the blame to where the money is. Try to get some real losers that you know involved. After a few years some of these losers will be in bad shape and you can get one of them to break the story and take the public embarrassment. You can be one of the quiet anonymous ones and rake in the dough. And no one will ever blame a kid.
Posted by: Prince Machiavelli at July 23, 2012 04:23 PM (0cBMc)
Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at July 23, 2012 04:46 PM (7v5Ct)
It's obviously cutting and pasting that crap everywhere it can
Posted by: Roger at July 23, 2012 06:19 PM (TOVGS)
Fun Times.
They're over now.
Posted by: Zombie Apocalypse at July 23, 2012 06:21 PM (fI1g6)
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Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 23, 2012 05:25 AM (mFxQX)