November 12, 2012
— Ace I must object to this.
It's a standard trope of argument to take an opponent's statement -- even if it doesn't seem true -- as true, and then make arguments based on that.
In this case, Peter King is saying if it's true the FBI and Eric Holder never told Obama that Petraeus was compromised, that speaks poorly of them.
This is often a useful form of argument.
But not here. I realize people don't feel comfortable lodging the term "liar" at every step but it must be said here.
It is simply untrue that Holder and Mueller didn't tell Obama. I do not need a cite for this. It is simply impossible to imagine otherwise.
What did everyone here do when they first read this? Why, you probably told someone else. It's juicy, it's interesting. It's both cloak-and-dagger and slap-and-tickle. It's also, of course, important.
Most sex scandals are not truly important. This one is.
So Holder and Mueller had official reasons for telling Obama that Petraeus was compromised. They also had unofficial reasons-- it's an interesting bit of dirt on someone once touted as a possible Republican presidential candidate (and then later as a possible vice presidential candidate).
But the story they're putting out is that they ignored both the requirements of their positions as top advisers (officially, they were required to tell the chief foreign policy and national security executive in the country) and also ignored the purely human urge to tell tales out of school?
It's not plausible, it's not credible. It's a lie. Plain and simple. Let's not dance around with the if they're telling the truth... formulation in this case. They're not telling the truth. There is no need to entertain a possibility if it's not a possibility.
They're lying, and they're obviously lying, and they're lying in a patently ridiculous way.
The only question is, Why are they lying?
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Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 12, 2012 09:01 AM (Nfpnr)
They're lying because Obama didn't drop the hammer until after the eclection because it would be, shall we say, inconvenient and suck up oxygen from his war on wimmens and "look ball" strategy that apparently carried the day quite handily.
Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 09:02 AM (t06LC)
@2
I keep going back to the no holds barred style that the Democrats adopted in 04 as what we should do, but for us, I don't think it would work. We don't have a media talking about our brave stands against whatever. We would just be portrayed as the assholes pushing the car off the fiscal cliff or whatever.
Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 09:04 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: Felt Wrapper at November 12, 2012 09:07 AM (ecmD4)
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 09:09 AM (z9HTb)
She aspired to the office of National Security Advisor, after all.
Posted by: Fritz at November 12, 2012 09:09 AM (/ZZCn)
Well, Henry Kissinger is quite the cocksucker.
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 09:14 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: mare at November 12, 2012 09:22 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 09:25 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: mare at November 12, 2012 09:36 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: mare at November 12, 2012 09:38 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Justamom at November 12, 2012 09:40 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: The Peter King at November 12, 2012 09:48 AM (QKKT0)
I am kind of a grown up girl scout sometimes, but I gotta have faith.
Grill him like a Watergate suspect.
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 09:49 AM (z9HTb)
Oh the employment news is frightful,
But free stuff is so delightful,
And since we've no wage to earn,
Let It Burn Let It Burn Let It Burn !
On Israel, bombs are dropping,
But I've scrounged some corn for popping,
The good times will not return,
Let It Burn Let It Burn Let It Burn !
When that ol' Bill Of Rights is gone,
And we're nothing but government drones
We'll wish we made more of a fight,
But at least we still have our free phones!
The country is slowly dying,
And the GOP's shit, we're buying
But I really have no concern,
Let It Burn Let It Burn Let It Burn !
Posted by: Jones in CO at November 12, 2012 09:49 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 09:50 AM (XkWWK)
The son-of-a-bitch will never get called on anything...ever.
Posted by: Portnoy at November 12, 2012 09:50 AM (Kgrin)
Now a SC Republican can and did call him a liar. And the asshole leadership forced him to apologize.
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 09:50 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 09:51 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Pyro Pete at November 12, 2012 09:51 AM (AzwZn)
Ironically, the MFM and the left will discount Petraeus' testimony out of hand because of his affairs.
Bill Clinton? Not so much. Oh the hypocrisy. It burns like the flaming SMOD on impact.Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 09:52 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 09:53 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 12, 2012 09:53 AM (JWLqy)
And he's wrong. If the FBI and Eric Holder never told Obama, it speaks poorly of him. Any President kept so out-of-the-loop as Obama claims to have been- on Petraeus, on Benghazi, on Fast-and-Furious- is a President who does not have control over his own Administration and must be impeached for his obvious incompetence- just in the hopes that the next guy (who, in this case, is Joe Biden) would do a better job.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 09:53 AM (8y9MW)
They're lying...because they are setting up Petraeus to be the Scapegoat for Benghazi.
With Petraeus as the Scapegoat...it can all be dismissed as being "about sex".
Then, it all goes away.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 09:53 AM (ICEh3)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 09:53 AM (XkWWK)
Egyptian Jihadists call for Peace, Harmony, Destruction of the Sphinx and Pyramids. But mostly Destruction of The Sphinx and Pyramids.
http://tinyurl.com/ca6ecup
Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 09:53 AM (GGCsk)
King et alii need to build a case, fast, for POTUS suborning perjury on the part of (now ex-)DCI Petraeus' testimony before Congress the other week -- you know, where he parrotted the White House line about the Muhammad video being the trigger for the "spontaneous" riot.
I say this given that Jennifer Griffin at Fox has now reported that indeed the CIA was holding prisoners at their Benghazi annex location; this squares with Broadwell's remarks at a filmed 26 October lecture at the University of Denver (?) that this was the case, that Petraeus had learned of this, and that the sense among Petraeus' folks was that the chief object of the 11 September 2012 attack was actually the CIA location holding-pen. Existence of which was in express contravention of a 2009 Executive Order, and about which the POTUS and DCI might both have been fully aware prior to 11 Sep.
Posted by: RamonAllones at November 12, 2012 09:54 AM (3lLli)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 09:54 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: eureka! at November 12, 2012 09:54 AM (UL+ny)
Posted by: Matt S. at November 12, 2012 09:55 AM (moRRg)
King knows this surely. It is tough to watch the soft-pedal, but we just can't come right out and say what is obvious because the press don't care and the populace sees the GOP as spoiling for a fight on everything anyway and have tuned out.
Posted by: Yip at November 12, 2012 09:55 AM (Mrdk1)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 09:55 AM (FcR7P)
You wonder how long Obama knew...He was the one floating Petraeus' name as Mitt Romney's running mate back in August...Was that wishful thinking because he knew he could use that info as an October surprise?
I think the only coincidences here are in the book's title...."All In" Really?!?!?!
Posted by: Ken at November 12, 2012 09:55 AM (1p/dM)
Yes and now we can add the CIA to sexually liberated and exciting government agencies.
Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 09:56 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 12, 2012 09:57 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 09:57 AM (X3lox)
36 Has anyone else heard that Big Sis may get the CIA gig?
*bangs head on desk*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 01:55 PM (UOM4
*runs into wall headfirst, hoping for a stud*
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 09:57 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Hogette Winslow at November 12, 2012 09:57 AM (SAdWa)
Posted by: Eric Holder at November 12, 2012 09:57 AM (vjyZP)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 09:58 AM (FcR7P)
were he a patriot I wouldn't be worried.
I don't know what I am expected to swear the same oaths and burden and joy to carry for this "perfected America" that is made by a guy so cocksure I am not allowed to read his curricula vitae or know his Theses point.....
am I alone in feeling rage at this since obviously the media has him in "do whatever the fuck he wants" mode on their Xbox360s?
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 09:59 AM (LRFds)
Nope. Can't see why he'd be a lying liar who lies.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 09:59 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: TD, a taxpayer at November 12, 2012 09:59 AM (uxW8g)
Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 12, 2012 09:59 AM (27tUc)
What about Fast and Furious?
What about Bengazi?
Oh wait. Sex scandal. THAT'S important.
/death to the MSM
Posted by: shibuimi at November 12, 2012 10:00 AM (z63Tr)
Posted by: Hillary "2016" Clinton at November 12, 2012 10:00 AM (71LDo)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 12, 2012 10:00 AM (hNXHo)
Posted by: I'm the honey Badger, BITCH! at November 12, 2012 10:00 AM (U3CzV)
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 12, 2012 10:00 AM (JWLqy)
*bangs head on desk even harder*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 10:01 AM (UOM48)
Miss "My Friends Like It In The Back of Their Throats" being in charge of anything is bad in my book
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 10:03 AM (da5Wo)
Simple answer; to push this issue beyond an election they already knew would be difficult.
Don't forget they were trying to burnish Obama's CinC credentials because that is where he polled very high. This would hurt that measure IMVHO.
Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 10:03 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Karl Rove at November 12, 2012 10:03 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: One MSM Douchebag to Another at November 12, 2012 10:04 AM (znT2j)
we may well need to start cultivating a 5th column of leakers in the Ogabe admin around our party leadership.
A lot easier to do with an unhappy crew.
Is it good Uncle Jan is in charge?
No not from a tactical or strategic PoV but perhaps an operational one.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 10:05 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 10:05 AM (hl8SI)
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 12, 2012 10:05 AM (ppyoh)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 10:06 AM (79ueO)
FIFY.
Posted by: shibuimi at November 12, 2012 10:07 AM (z63Tr)
Yes, it assumes the fallacy of the defense. Of course obama was fucking told.
Give me a fucking break.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 10:08 AM (tVTLU)
I get what you're saying, but I don't want the Bull Dyke in Chief responsible for people on the ground in critical/sensitive situations. I'd really prefer to not have a repeat of Benghazi. That stupid cow can't manage security checks at airports, I'll be damned if I want her being involved with our field assets.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 10:08 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 10:08 AM (sRIFP)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 12, 2012 10:08 AM (wwsoB)
Well......
Posted by: Reggie Love at November 12, 2012 10:09 AM (da5Wo)
Speaking of lies:
CAN WE START RUNNING SOME ADS RIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL OCTOBER BEFORE THE ELECTION.
How about the quotes from Obama on the debate on energy, and then the decision that two days after the election they are closing more federal lands to exploration.
For fuck's sake.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 10:09 AM (tVTLU)
Barky and company, were desperate to prevent Petraeus from testifying.
They knew about the affair.
They probably knew about it even before Petraeus was made CIA director.
Petraeus had been staying with them in their line about "it was The Video"...
But he wasn't under oath.
He was about to be sworn in...in front of Congress...where he might've told the truth.
I think that was too big of a risk for them to take.
So they pulled the plug on him.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 10:10 AM (ICEh3)
Well, how smart are they?
By appearing to be scapegoating Petraeus, they've reverse-Alinskied you guys into behaving as if Petraeus is Your Man In Washington, even though he's firmly on the other side (other from *yours*) in this whole War on Terror deal.
So, they're smarter than you. They're making you dance, making you worship a man who hates you.
If their who-knew-what-when lying is purposeful, and its purpose is you-related, the purpose is probably this: Lying about trivialities directs the opposition's interest in the story toward trivia (timelines, bureaucratic information flows, etc.) and away from "What the fuck is the story here?"
So what the fuck is the story?
Is there a story?
I bet there isn't.
Posted by: oblig. at November 12, 2012 10:10 AM (cePv8)
Posted by: Socratease at November 12, 2012 10:10 AM (iVBDH)
Posted by: Malia in DC at November 12, 2012 10:10 AM (ypzqs)
Posted by: PR at November 12, 2012 10:10 AM (KHo8t)
They're lying, and they're obviously lying, and they're lying in a patently ridiculous way
I know, right? I mean, to blame Benghazi on that silly video made by that loser parole viol ...
Oh
You weren't talking about that?
My bad.
Posted by: crisis du jour at November 12, 2012 10:11 AM (J1eJz)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 12, 2012 10:11 AM (ll6WS)
that's why so many people say they care about the economy and think it's in the toilet
Posted by: Will Folks, esq ( hiding out in Costa Rica ) at November 12, 2012 10:11 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 12, 2012 02:05 PM (ppyoh)
Petraeus has already played ball on Benghazi. He initially supported the YouTube/spontaneous mob cover story when he briefed key members of Congress shortly after the attack, even though we now know he knew differently.
Posted by: troyriser at November 12, 2012 10:12 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Tony253 at November 12, 2012 10:13 AM (7p8CC)
Posted by: Thunderb at November 12, 2012 10:13 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Mr pink at November 12, 2012 10:13 AM (X/nTQ)
Then we'll all collectively go "well, duh."
Then those strong on defense Democrats will win another election. Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 12, 2012 02:00 PM
My 21 year old son just told me, "You don't need top secret clearance to know the Benghazi consulate was CIA operation and a probably a prison. What did the state department do decide they needed to open consulate in Benghazi to help all the American tourist visiting war torn Libya or giving out visas to Libyans looking to come to USA on vacation."
Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 10:13 AM (hl8SI)
Finally! I have been pointing out in comments here and eleswhere for several days that the idea that the FBI investigators would not tell their Director, and he would not tell the AG, who would in turn not tell the President, is laughable!
But that is precisely the assumption implicit in the "coverage" of this story in the mainstream media, who state as FACT that Obama found out two days after the election. Someone get over to NPR and let them in on the big secret - their boyfriend doesn't tell the truth when it doesn't suit him, and as it happens, it never suits him.
Calling Obama a liar is as controversial as calling the midday tropical sun hot. Both are obvious to all but those with their eyes firmly closed.
Posted by: sherlock at November 12, 2012 10:14 AM (f29LO)
And, like you, I'm still seething with hate. It keeps me warm.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 10:14 AM (UOM48)
That and dependency on Free Sh*t explains the votes of the New Fifty Percent
I think this was true of Clinton to a great extent, but Perot and his bad haircut were around in both Clinton elections to fuzz things up.
Posted by: Will Folks, esq ( hiding out in Costa Rica ) at November 12, 2012 10:14 AM (Dll6b)
What the hell did our alleged Chief Executive know?
It sounds as if he knew nothing, was incurious and uninvolved.
Which makes him an incompetent fuckwit and traitor who should be removed from his post with all possible speed..
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 12, 2012 10:14 AM (yKUrR)
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 01:50 PM (YdQQY)
Speaking of your state, this might be a good time for Miss Lindsey to pretend to be a Republican conservative and push this like he's packing McRINO's fudge. After all he faces an election in 2 years, no?
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 12, 2012 10:15 AM (Abby4)
Posted by: robtr at November 12, 2012 10:15 AM (rTgOf)
I never thought Petraeus was anything like that and the junta isn't scapegoating Petraeus, they're just stopping/delaying his testimony. I have no idea why any GOPer in Congress is allowing this - I don't give a shit what personal problems Petraeus might have, none of it excuses him from testifying on time. But ... this is all in with Shrillary leaving on a jet plane so that she isn't around to testify, either ... and they're accepting that total bullshit, too. Shrillary was around to dance on the coffins of the Benghazi dead and lie her retarded ass off about it all but now she's off on a world tour. She should be served with contempt and so should Petraeus. And the rest of the junta, too, as this is all so transparent it would be funny if it weren't so seriously dangerous.Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 10:15 AM (X3lox)
They probably told him this affair never need be made public. Then when Benghazi happened, they were able to secure his silence.
As soon as Obama was re-elected, they cut him loose. Foolo.
If he was honorable, he would make public everything he knows about Benghazi. But, if he were honorable, he would have done that before the election and probably should have resigned as well.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 12, 2012 10:15 AM (f9c2L)
No actually you do want the retards killing US assets with abandon, it undermines the structural integrity of their most vital assets' loyalty.
it's hard and it sucks but the US Military has been casually wasted by the admin and people aren't too bothered...well except for the 15 officers I know who have handed in their walking papers this week.
Thank America glad to know Free Shit Army gives a fuck about the real army....
and Media....
I dare you to embed these days.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 10:16 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: 1984 in real life at November 12, 2012 10:16 AM (wc6pM)
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 12, 2012 02:15 PM (Abby4)
Yeah he's been talking to Fox some lately. I am not fooled though.
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 10:17 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 10:17 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 10:17 AM (79ueO)
That's a great point...
no seriously I am at a loss how Davey P being an immoral lying asshole is my problem.
I spent political capital on an asshole who carried Islam's water in their war on Western Cv in political matters?
I AM a retard.
I defended him when he was "general betrayus"
I'm a fool.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 10:17 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: MrScribbler
.......
And your point is?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 12, 2012 10:17 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 10:18 AM (b1TCv)
It's maddening but its true.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 12, 2012 10:19 AM (X1PJ8)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 10:19 AM (VtjlW)
Now we know the real reason why Barky avoided all those Security Briefings.
....Deniability.
Notice I didn't say..."plausible deniability".
Because it's his job to know things.
But 'deniability' has served him well.
It doesn't have to be plausible.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 10:19 AM (ICEh3)
no don't think so....
Nixon for better or worse would not kill you or have fans who would immolate their careers to destroy you like the bitch in dayton Oh vs Joe the Plumber.
No Obama has free shit army and they are harder folk than the silent majority in their own way.
Choom is a dictator in the making if you argue he wasn't there already.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 10:19 AM (LRFds)
Make this all about the Soap Opera. Honey Boo-Boo and Kardashian watching low information voters just love the real soap operas
It's all about who Petraeus was sticking his dick in, not about what was going on in the embassy, or who fucked up what
If Petraeus falls on his sword for TFG, then the Soap Opera narrative fits in neatly with "Republicans are just obsessed over someone having sex"
Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 10:19 AM (wwsoB)
All I know is pundits & politicians react like having the word "lie" in their mouths is actually "lye" in their mouths, which is very different and generally disfiguring.
If the a**holes could spell, maybe they'd be more honest.
Posted by: Biblio Knocking on Your Door at November 12, 2012 10:19 AM (7o8VY)
Posted by: Thunderb at November 12, 2012 10:19 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 12, 2012 10:20 AM (ll6WS)
My guess?
I suspect that the investigation started before Ryan was announced as Romney's VP candidate. There was a slim chance that Petreus might get the nod, and this would have been a huge embarassment for a Romney/Petreus ticket. Once Ryan was announced, the delay became a potential source of embarassment for Obama, so the news of the investigation was delayed until just after the election.
Posted by: junior at November 12, 2012 10:20 AM (UWFpX)
..........
Yeah.. let's see what's left of the military after another couple years of this..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 12, 2012 10:20 AM (f9c2L)
I am sure that may be partially true, but I'll bet most of those already have 20 in? If not they really should reconsider. And the job market still sucks so most I know still would rather stay in if they even can for a whole variety of financial reasons. Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 10:21 AM (79ueO)
It was all I could do to refrain from yelling at them: "You are all so fucking retarded! Don't you understand what you just did?"
It is going to be a very long four years.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 10:21 AM (GsoHv)
The only question is, Why are they lying?
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Why not lie. What are we going to do about it? Smear Baraka or someone in his junta? Like that'll get any traction.
Dear Leader and his minions have total power. They can say anything they they want at whatever time they want. We're living in a dictatorship now. Embrace the suck.
Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 10:21 AM (00XQo)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 12, 2012 02:20 PM (ll6WS)
Theft from the Horde????? You know what that gets you.....
....a commendation.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 10:22 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Dr Dave at November 12, 2012 10:22 AM (2VWva)
That is likely true.
They started sniffing in 2011, he was open secret compromised in 2011, I wanted him for the topkick position and nomination because I have found this cyycle finally I am an idiot and not to be trusted in reading the American people b/c I am no longer an "average American" at all...
I am as Skyfall put it "a relic" at 40.
I am glad I quit drinking.
I'd be a wreck right now.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 10:22 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 10:22 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 10:23 AM (hl8SI)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 12, 2012 10:23 AM (Gvxv6)
Brako: Isn't it plausible deniability?
ValJar: Whatever.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 12, 2012 10:23 AM (IzkD0)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 10:23 AM (b1TCv)
Posted by: Lord Rainbowshanks at November 12, 2012 10:24 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 12, 2012 10:24 AM (ll6WS)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 12, 2012 02:17 PM
My "point" is the obvious one. At least one so-called "conservative" has to get off their dead ass and publicly call for this regime to be shut down. And at least one so-called "conservative" publication (either dead-tree or Interwebz-based) needs to loudly support the one who calls for it.
Otherwise, this will die down and ultimately be accorded "birfer" status, just like questions regarding voter fraud. That's all "unfair" and possibly even "racist" and has Bad Optics, you know. When the sewer isn't repaired, the shit keeps flowing.
It seems as if Ace has finally reached the saturation point (or at least is getting damn close to it) regarding the endless supply of bullshit Choom Boy and his co-conspirators have been peddling all along. That's a good start.
But I doubt it will win him much support from his BFFs on Blogger's Row.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 12, 2012 10:24 AM (yKUrR)
No it is a mix.
The military is about to start nuking people's careers whether they are close to pension or no....
had I 20 I'd run like hell...wife is trying to hang in there b/c she has one kidney and uterine malformation issues.
No a few captains and a few SSGs before they get stuck in "needs of the army" since the Army has made it implicitly clear by needs it also means "fuck you you're fired"
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 10:24 AM (LRFds)
Then he can honestly say, he never knew about it. And Jarrett can simply say she didn't think it was important enough.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 12, 2012 10:24 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: winston smith at November 12, 2012 10:25 AM (cgOkw)
Because they couldn't tell the truth even if their lives depended on it
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 10:25 AM (1Jaio)
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Malaria! Momma said not to say that to anybody!
Posted by: Sushi O at November 12, 2012 10:25 AM (znT2j)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 10:25 AM (b1TCv)
The man said he skims his PDB on his iPad every day. It's just as good as a face-to-face meeting! He said so!
Of course, you can't ask any questions since they're not briefing you in person, but SHUT UP.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 12, 2012 02:24 PM (ll6WS)
This reeks of racism and birtherism you clingy clinger.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 10:25 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Redd at November 12, 2012 10:25 AM (YEG/L)
Posted by: Trippy at November 12, 2012 10:25 AM (hafwJ)
I am sure that may be partially true, but I'll bet most of those already have 20 in? If not they really should reconsider. And the job market still sucks so most I know still would rather stay in if they even can for a whole variety of financial reasons.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 02:21 PM (79ueO)
Negative, these are young enlisted, average age 24ish, I think. And while there is indeed job security in the Army as opposed to the private sector at the moment, there is also the casual discarding of lives at Benghazi to consider, and that has them a bit shaken.
I rant and rave about politics all day and night. >.> I am an information dissemination center to folks who are otherwise too busy or tired at day's end to scour the interwebs themselves. Benghazi is a both-barrels story for me.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 12, 2012 10:26 AM (X1PJ8)
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I said, what does God need with a sand wedge?Posted by: Captain James T. Kirk at November 12, 2012 10:26 AM (ll6WS)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 10:26 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: The Conneticut Cabal at November 12, 2012 10:27 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 10:27 AM (b1TCv)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 10:27 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: under the desk w/ Pam & Dave at November 12, 2012 10:28 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 10:28 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 10:28 AM (79ueO)
How long before they go the Idi Amin route and attribute every odd death of a political opponent to traffic accidents? At least Garrett Morris will get some work out of it.
Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 10:29 AM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 10:29 AM (kpCLl)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 12, 2012 10:29 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 10:29 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 10:29 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 10:29 AM (X3lox)
I'm extremely comfortable lodging the term "liar" WRT anything Obama. My discomfort will come when I'm not able to assert how extremely comfortable I am applying it once again. Obama could easily change his middle name from "Hussein" to "Liar". Easily. Or "SCoaMF".
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 12, 2012 10:30 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 10:30 AM (79ueO)
Thing is, nobody's really all that surprised, at least at the antics of Mr. Petraeus. What's probably shocked the shit out of them is the fact that it all came out this soon after the election. Makes it a little harder to maintain that aura of complete ignorance.
They'll manage, though. I have faith in them. People who are this good at lying are rarely called on it.
Posted by: antisocialist at November 12, 2012 10:30 AM (j/nZn)
Posted by: Just the Punchline at November 12, 2012 10:30 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 02:29 PM (VtjlW)
I hear that cam-whoring as a penance does wonders to ease the soul...
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 10:30 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 12, 2012 10:30 AM (NzBQO)
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 10:31 AM (kpCLl)
It's not lying if the Controlling Apparatchiks of the Party say it, Comrade. Get with the program. Do not try and make Dear Leader look bad.
Posted by: Comrade Trainer at November 12, 2012 10:31 AM (QbdUW)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 10:31 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: MrScribbler
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I was being ironic.. Yes, I get your point.
But it's too late for that. Ain't gonna happen. He was just re-elected. You're gonna call for his regime to be "shut down" right after being elected? That won't sound like sour grapes?
I am resigned that the fight is over. We fucked up and now the entitlement engine is in full gear and will not stop - until they crash the system. But the JEF will be long gone and done his damage before that happens.
They have 20 million voters waiting in the wings that will give the Dems a permanent majority, and the first chance they get they will grant them amnesty.
We had our chance.. we blew it.. it's over for conservatism and the GOP, until the whole system resets.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 12, 2012 10:32 AM (f9c2L)
Holder is just angling for that sweet Elmo gig that opened up on Sesame Street.
Posted by: wooga at November 12, 2012 10:32 AM (vjyZP)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 10:32 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 10:33 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 12, 2012 10:33 AM (hNXHo)
Posted by: Timwi at November 12, 2012 10:33 AM (pdhxN)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 10:33 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 10:34 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: president downgrade at November 12, 2012 10:34 AM (evdj2)
I don't think they get how unpopular the mission profile in 'ghani has gotten either...do you guiys think even the e-3s are idiots?
Fellas our role there has devolved to "show how long Obama's dick is."
You don't get the green on blue we have and have the answer be "get more sensitive" and inspire troops whose older brothers and sisters dealth with the media and democrat rage fest shrug and not impact morale.
Like I said "thanks America Free Shit Army will get new enlistees or the recently seperated will most likely hammer your asses to the ground in competing for work in this roaring Ogabe miracle."
We'll stick as long as we can but if you let my wife get past the RT-12 window you'll never get her to swear in again without their being an opfor on US soil here in CONUS or Hawaii/Alaska....
no way in hell does she ever want to be asked to raise rifle to shoulder against an American.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 10:34 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 12, 2012 10:34 AM (ll6WS)
And the MSM would build a timeline where it would have been impossible for him to have been briefed that there was a chicken stuck on his dick.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 12, 2012 10:35 AM (IzkD0)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 10:35 AM (FcR7P)
We are in the third world where the ruler needs no deniability of any sort. He just denies things. It's Sukarno come to the West. Big surprise.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 02:27 PM (X3lox)
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Agree. So many people on this thread are under the impression that this is a country run by law. Get over it. That country is gone.
Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 10:35 AM (00XQo)
Assumes facts not in evidence, such as the possession of a soul I would want to ease. I mean, why would I do that, the souls seem perfectly content in their bell jars.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 02:33 PM (VtjlW)
Note to self: never be nearby ATC and an empty jar. >.> Check, and double-check.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 12, 2012 10:35 AM (X1PJ8)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 12, 2012 10:36 AM (hNXHo)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 10:36 AM (79ueO)
Prima. Facie. Absurdity.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 10:36 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 12, 2012 10:36 AM (9+ccr)
Does he scream gay marriage and gays in the military?
Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 10:36 AM (GGCsk)
Whats interesting is that this affair was apparently an "open secret" for quite some time.... ie.... it was known BEFORE his confirmation vote as Head of the CIA....
Yet.... supposedly NO ONE bothered with any type of background check???
Sorry, but that does NOT pass the smell test.... I know I was investigated more than once AFTER I held a high clearance... as I moved from job to job...
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 12, 2012 10:36 AM (lZBBB)
145....there is also the casual discarding of lives at Benghazi to consider, and that has them a bit shaken.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 12, 2012 02:26 PM (X1PJ
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Yeah...the message from Barky to our military, is clear:
"You are disposable."
And not only our military...but also all the people who serve in the Intel agencies.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 10:37 AM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 10:37 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Davidlind at November 12, 2012 10:37 AM (J9mCu)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 10:38 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Ed Gibbon at November 12, 2012 10:38 AM (4eNxd)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 02:33 PM (VtjlW)
Why take the chance on riling them up? If they ever got loose? Messy.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 10:38 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 10:38 AM (79ueO)
This adminstration lies because it works. The media covers for it, and the populace is increasingly out of the loop unless something relates to the 'circus'.
We are now a nation of men, rather than a nation of laws.
More executive orders are on the way....
Posted by: Meremortal at November 12, 2012 10:39 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Blacksheep at November 12, 2012 10:39 AM (8/DeP)
World Pole Dancing Championship
http://tinyurl.com/ahkcehj
Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 10:39 AM (hl8SI)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 10:39 AM (FcR7P)
I wish people would take the time for a second to ponder this point.
Please sincerely I am tired i'm not sleeping well and I am angry but I am also not trying to be cryptic or obtuse.
What if Blue America seceded from the US in 2001 and we never noticed?
Evidently they can do whatever the fuck they want and not pay....ever ponder if that is not because the nation we lived in is not the nation they're really citizens of?
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 10:39 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 10:40 AM (3Y7RV)
Now comes the question.... why is everyone telling Lies about this whole thing????
Gee.... Guns being run into the middle of a rebellion, in spite of a UN embargo?
I mean.... come on.... who would lie about somthing like THAT?
Posted by: Col. Oliver North at November 12, 2012 10:40 AM (lZBBB)
yeah but the boys from foggybottom largely swing left hard left that are not appointed.
I had the pleasure of becoming if I may be a tad vain a friend of Richard Grenell's during my twitter sojourn
Good guy and a ball of rage on Benghazi b/c he gets it.
He said most of the pros bat left.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 10:41 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 10:41 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 12, 2012 02:32 PM (f9c2L)
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This is exactly right. Unfortunately, the reset will be ugly and many will die. All you can do it make sure you and your family are not among the unlucky ones. Find a means to supply yourself with a years-worth of water, food, shelter and a means of self-defense.
Posted by: Not and Artist at November 12, 2012 10:42 AM (uRumV)
196 Whats interesting is that this affair was apparently an "open secret" for quite some time.... ie.... it was known BEFORE his confirmation vote as Head of the CIA....
Yet.... supposedly NO ONE bothered with any type of background check???
Sorry, but that does NOT pass the smell test.... I know I was investigated more than once AFTER I held a high clearance... as I moved from job to job...
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 12, 2012 02:36 PM (lZBBB)
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Yeah, but under this administration, "something that you could be blackmailed for"...is a requirement.
It's a prerequisite, with them.
They *want* something they can control a person with.
They're all about control.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 10:42 AM (ICEh3)
It's gonna burn either way.
Red folk we need to collapse in on each other as much as we can and weather the storm.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 10:43 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 10:43 AM (b1TCv)
they did.
Starting four years ago in November and then again about a week ago.
LIB
Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 10:43 AM (EZl54)
So, yea, ..........now hand my that 5 iron.
Posted by: President Lightworker
*Sigh*...here we go again.
Posted by: Skulled Titleist at November 12, 2012 10:43 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: BHO, Bumpmeister-in-Cheef at November 12, 2012 10:43 AM (rzTDZ)
The timing on this is funny and especially when you consider that the state was won by a grade total 100,000 votes...
That lying mother fucker!
Posted by: Peggy Joseph at November 12, 2012 10:43 AM (z9HTb)
Giant Yellow Phlegm Balls takes offense at libertarian blogger's "War!" response to Obama win:
Praise Gaia I never read the husky pony-tailed one's screeds. He's quite the doofus.
Posted by: RushBabe at November 12, 2012 10:43 AM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 12, 2012 10:44 AM (ppyoh)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 10:44 AM (3Y7RV)
I'd suggest because it always works for them. They lie all the time and never get called on it. Why stop a winning strategy?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 12, 2012 10:45 AM (P7hip)
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Really???? REALLY????
Barky McFucksticks just got re-elected with 330+ electoral college votes on a record that includes 23 million Americans out of work, 16 trillion dollars in debt, a Hellthcare program nobody wants, $3.50 gasoline, unemployment averaging over 8.25% during his term, 2 dead Border Patrol Agents, 1 dead Ambassador plus 3 more bodies in Benghazi, hundreds of dead Mexicans, bankrupt solar companies, coal plants shutting down, bans on drilling, more flexibility for Vladimir, Iranians hell bent on Nukes, and one jet shot down in Libya in a conflict we're **not** (wink-wink) involved in.
The answer to your question Ace????
Because.They.Can.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 12, 2012 10:45 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 12, 2012 10:45 AM (9+ccr)
(is there a better word than this incorrect usage of 'ironic'?)
Posted by: t-bird
Yea, 'insulting'
Posted by: Honey Boo Boo voter [/i] [/b] at November 12, 2012 10:45 AM (SX6wc)
Posted by: Davidlind at November 12, 2012 02:37 PM (J9mCu)
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Yup. This country voted for lawlessness. Lawlessness will prevail.
Nothing will come of this "scandal". Nothing. It's probably fun to speculate what should be done, but the days of anyone in the regime paying the consequences is gone.
And get used to things like this becoming a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 10:46 AM (00XQo)
No they coopted a figure who served every party but the one they retroactively have him join.
It's why I say if it comes to it and we agree to take the debtload I want our history back.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 10:46 AM (LRFds)
The most important thing that the Republicans in Congress can do right now?
Block all Bailouts to the broke Blue States!
Let them stew in their own messes.
No Bailouts.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 10:47 AM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 10:47 AM (79ueO)
not raging at you your forgot "losing more US troops per day in office than Bush and on pace to lose more by 25% than Bush total in 8 years."
Yeah let it burn and no no guilt and fuck our pundits....you fuckheads won't hold him and the US accountable?
Fuck you let it burn
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 10:47 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 10:48 AM (b1TCv)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 02:43 PM (b1TCv)
You mean that Abe wasn't a Democrat fighting the bigoted, racist, sexist, homophobic southern Republicans?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 10:49 AM (1Jaio)
If he was, he knowingly kept as the head of the CIA a man known to be a major security risk. How compromised was he? Apparently the pillow-talk between him and his squeeze included information so classified that he lied to Congress about it- if you listen to her, at least. How compromised was he? Compromised enough that when the FBI realized that his email address was involved, they didn't go to him and say "Hey, did you know someone hacked your email?"
If he wasn't, then his Attorney General has gone completely off the reservation, as have the majority of his senior DoJ staff- indicating gross negligence and incompetence on his part.
Either of those should be worthy of impeachment.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 10:49 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 10:49 AM (b1TCv)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 10:49 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: NCKate at November 12, 2012 10:49 AM (MsQkt)
Ace, seems that Joe Scarborough agrees with you. Video of him slammin' the entrepid reporter Andrea Mitchell on the timeline:
http://tinyurl.com/b5zex6n
Posted by: joanne's down with operation LIB at November 12, 2012 10:50 AM (VNFBf)
Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at November 12, 2012 10:50 AM (bj+Nc)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 12, 2012 10:51 AM (NzBQO)
On the evening of Tuesday, June 30, 2009—just five months into his administration—Barack Obama invited a small group of presidential historians to dine with him in the Family Quarters of the White House. His chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, personally delivered the invitations with a word of caution: the meeting was to remain private and off the record. As a result, the media missed the chance to report on an important event, for the evening with the historians provided a remarkable sneak preview of why the Obama presidency would shortly go off the rails.
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During the presidential campaign, most of the evening’s dinner guests, like their liberal counterparts in the media, had dropped any pretense at objectivity. For instance, Michael Beschloss ('Presidential Courage: Brave Leaders and How They Changed America, 1789-1989') described Obama as “probably the smartest guy ever to become president,” which appeared to put Thomas Jefferson in his place.
Judging from Mr. Obama’s questions, one subject was uppermost in his mind: how could he become a “transformational” president and bend the historic trajectory of America’s domestic and foreign policy?
When one of the historians brought up the difficulties that Lyndon Johnson, another wartime president, faced trying to wage a foreign military venture while implementing an ambitious domestic agenda, Mr. Obama grew testy. He implied that he was different, because he could prevail by the force of his personality. He could solve the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, put millions of people back to work, redistribute wealth, withdraw from Iraq, and reconcile the United States to a less dominant role in the world.
I won.
Posted by: BHO, Bumpmeister-in-Cheef at November 12, 2012 10:51 AM (rzTDZ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 12, 2012 10:51 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: George Costanza, D-Queens at November 12, 2012 10:51 AM (9ghZ6)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 10:52 AM (b1TCv)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 12, 2012 10:52 AM (jucos)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 10:53 AM (FcR7P)
The only response to that statement is: "headdesk"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 10:53 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Blacksheep at November 12, 2012 10:53 AM (8/DeP)
I've been saying since this election that it is now a nation of takers. The takers don't care about Benghazi, or debt, taxes, and inflation.
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 12, 2012 10:53 AM (SDkq3)
Of course they are lying. One of the many reasons you know they are lying is the date of the resignation (after election) and the reason given for the resignation...ie, not to spend more time with the family.
There is simply no reason to give information about the affair if it wasn't going to be threatened to be released.
He served the political purpose. Then when he potentially would become a political liability, then he was expendable.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 12, 2012 10:54 AM (PHb2k)
From Spartans to Eloi. The alpha and omega of democracy.
Posted by: eleven at November 12, 2012 10:54 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 10:54 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 10:55 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 10:56 AM (79ueO)
Revenge of the hippies continues...
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 10:56 AM (MmH0Z)
The rest of the Greeks never really liked the Spartans.
Just throwin' that out there.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 10:56 AM (8y9MW)
We're just a rabble now. Because the Republicans are the leadership. They are Democrat lite.
Posted by: tubal at November 12, 2012 10:57 AM (BoE3Z)
Posted by: John Boehneropodopolous at November 12, 2012 10:57 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: joanne's down with operation LIB at November 12, 2012 10:57 AM (VNFBf)
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 02:39 PM (LRFds)
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For the people living inside the beltway, our citizenship, whether blue or red, is a non-entity. We are subjects now.
I said in the last thread and the thread before, we do not live under a representative republic anymore.
The only power we have is within our own respective states. We need to start using it.
Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 10:58 AM (00XQo)
Who could like those crazy bastards? Hell, even their wimmens were like that.
Posted by: eleven at November 12, 2012 10:58 AM (KXm42)
Nation of "men" -- if you can call them that.
Posted by: wooga at November 12, 2012 10:59 AM (vjyZP)
True. It would help if our local/State politicians had more spine, though.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 10:59 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at November 12, 2012 10:59 AM (bj+Nc)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 11:00 AM (b1TCv)
Posted by: Golden Dawn at November 12, 2012 11:00 AM (8/DeP)
Posted by: Joe Bidenopolous at November 12, 2012 11:00 AM (eHIJJ)
This latest revelation...about the 'CIA prison' in Lybia...also feeds into the "It's all Petraeus's fault!" narrative that is forming.
I remember, weeks ago, that there was mention of some 'Prisoners' that had to be let go...because our guys in Benghazi didn't get any backup.
But I thought they were prisoners that they'd taken that night, on 09/11/12.
Now, this Bangwell woman is saying that they'd been holding prisoners there at the CIA complex?
And that was the reason for the attack?
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 11:00 AM (ICEh3)
That presumes they didn't DVR it.
Commercials happen to other people.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:00 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: USS Diversity at November 12, 2012 11:00 AM (9ghZ6)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 11:01 AM (79ueO)
Greece is just going into deeper debt by spending money in order to make money. It's literally science.
Posted by: Joe Bidenopolous
It's. Literally. Science.
Posted by: Joey Two Times at November 12, 2012 11:02 AM (NF2Bf)
I am slowly deciding i must at a minimum pinder whether or not I need to be prepared to leave if texas does.
I'm totally wound out and been averaging 3 hours sleep tops.
I had a blood vessel under my left eue pop today.
I need sleep and I need to reason.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 11:02 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 11:03 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: 1984 in real life at November 12, 2012 11:03 AM (wc6pM)
I wish him all the best in his endeavor to raise NY taxes on the homed and now storm-induced homeless.
Oh, you mean he wants Obamastash money? FYNQ.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 12, 2012 11:03 AM (eHIJJ)
Debt schmebt. There's more where that came from.
Posted by: eleven at November 12, 2012 11:03 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 02:47 PM (79ueO)
But its not until they investigate you for your security clearance, that something like an affair would get Official Notice... or while you were trying to get Confirmed by the Senate?
But note.... that we have a Politican in charge of the Pentagon, and a GENERAL in charge of the CIA.... talk about a recipie for incompetence.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 12, 2012 11:04 AM (lZBBB)
2. Of course Obama knew. He used the threat of reveling the affair and Petraeus getting demoted (with demoted pension) to get himto accept the CIA position.
3. So then compromised Petraeus was in CIA and was being talked about like he should be a candidate (pres or veep). This talk mostly came from the Obama people, who were trying tolure Romney inot making that mistake.
4. When Benghazi happened, I notice this all looked like it was going to get dumped on the CIA. I think they were trying to force Petraeus to do it. For all I know, someone in the CIA had info and was getting ready to drop it against Obama.
5. The idea that Obama didn't know is, of course, ridiculous. However, everyone is going to try to shift blame to Holder or someone in the FBI because if they don't, Obama is guilty of blackmail and extortion, which are felonies which fall under high crimes and misdemeanors, and the GOP wants no part of another impeachment.
So there you go.
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 12, 2012 11:04 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Mo the Girl, resident of the Republic of Texas at November 12, 2012 11:05 AM (zYCz+)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 11:05 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 11:05 AM (FcR7P)
Short of, literally, tracking down Corky the Retard and putting him in one of those positions, I can't figure out what I would do deliberately to make them worse.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:05 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 11:05 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: B. at November 12, 2012 11:06 AM (8KvCa)
Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 12, 2012 11:06 AM (27tUc)
Yup...
Texas almost went in 1977-'79.....
if the illegals vote on the issue of secession thinking they can then try to micro secede it'll pass a ballot intiative in texas I fear/suspect?
What then?
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 11:06 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 11:06 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Fritz at November 12, 2012 11:07 AM (/ZZCn)
I haven't looked since this morning. We were a little over 7,000 away then. Where are we now?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:07 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Mo the Girl, resident of the Republic of Texas at November 12, 2012 03:05 PM (zYCz+)
Yeah, pretty sure he would. Of course there would be his usual bullshit posturing but - it would weaken the US, and that's what it's all about, isn't it?
Posted by: tubal at November 12, 2012 11:07 AM (BoE3Z)
>>>Just throwin' that out there.
That and they were principally socialist.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 11:07 AM (0q2P7)
I don't care how incompetent they think he is. I'm pretty fucking sure it's in their sisterfucking job description that they inform the President.
(And yes, rage is becoming the primary emotion. Disappointment and despair lasted about a day and a half.)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 11:08 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 11:08 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 11:09 AM (FcR7P)
Dunno then you have to have their legislature vote on it....
Allen if it fails by a nose what do we do then?
If Obama just shrugs or worse/better says "I have no problem with a popular vote deciding" what do we do?
if he goes berserk and overreacts?
I need sleep brother.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 11:09 AM (LRFds)
292 But note.... that we have a Politican in charge of the Pentagon, and a
GENERAL in charge of the CIA.... talk about a recipie for incompetence.
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 03:05 PM (8y9MW)
FIFY
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 11:09 AM (da5Wo)
They may have thought the women were hawt, but they still didn't like them.
I think (for instance) Natalie Portman is hawt. I wouldn't actually want to have a conversation with her.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:10 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Observer at November 12, 2012 11:10 AM (/sohm)
Yeah?
"Okay" an unfettered texas will own the Gulf of Mexico navy wise within ten years.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 11:10 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 11:10 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 12, 2012 11:11 AM (qvify)
He will,of course, use the money to prop up his bankrupt for his '16 pres run.
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 03:00 PM (b1TCv)
What storm damage? Barry had a photo op that fixed everything
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 11:11 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 11:11 AM (b1TCv)
Posted by: Sean "There's Still Money To Be Made" Hannity at November 12, 2012 11:11 AM (AzwZn)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 11:11 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: eleven at November 12, 2012 11:12 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: L, just L at November 12, 2012 11:13 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 11:13 AM (TR60b)
318 My keyboard want to speak in ebonics today.
Posted by: eleven at November 12, 2012 03:12 PM (KXm42)
You wistlin up some kinda dawg there muthafucka?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 11:13 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 12, 2012 11:13 AM (QxSug)
"Okay" an unfettered texas will own the Gulf of Mexico navy wise within ten years.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 03:10 PM (LRFds)
Your damn right. Texas has lots of horses. We're stocking up on bayonets too.
Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 11:13 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 11:13 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 12, 2012 11:13 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 11:13 AM (FcR7P)
I presume by "their legislature" you mean the TX Legislature (which, no, Jordan, is not in session). I think you're right about that.
If 25,000 Texans signed the petition... I dunno. It could happen. I don't think it would fail by a nose, though. I think it would either get laughed off the ballot, or win pretty handily.
If you mean the US Legislature... I'm not so sure. While the US Constitution does mention secession (obliquely), it never mentions how such a thing would be done.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:14 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 12, 2012 11:14 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 11:14 AM (TR60b)
Posted by: Thunderb at November 12, 2012 11:14 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Ebonics 101 at November 12, 2012 11:14 AM (/YJYi)
Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 11:14 AM (x7g7t)
Forget horses. Houston Riding Cockroaches. With mounted M-2s.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:15 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: T. Hunter wondering what's next? at November 12, 2012 11:15 AM (EZl54)
Posted by: Peter at November 12, 2012 02:33 PM (TVtzh)
So you watched the Ann Barnhardt series on the financial implosion this weekend, eh? Must say, she's one tough bitch. She's a fighter. Probably the last one that will not comply. Everyone else will die on their knees.
Posted by: Derak at November 12, 2012 11:15 AM (lkjWK)
Yep. Although important from a certain point of view, this is still all about covering up the truth of Benghazi.
Look a Squirrel! with Paula Bangwell!
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 12, 2012 11:15 AM (PHb2k)
Posted by: sarahw at November 12, 2012 11:15 AM (LYwCh)
Posted by: kj at November 12, 2012 11:15 AM (AW9md)
Posted by: Caninepundit at November 12, 2012 11:16 AM (PlKIC)
Posted by: Irish Peace Movement at November 12, 2012 11:16 AM (rzTDZ)
Posted by: L, just L at November 12, 2012 11:16 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 11:16 AM (kpCLl)
Posted by: sarahw at November 12, 2012 11:16 AM (LYwCh)
I think (for instance) Natalie Portman is hawt. I wouldn't actually want to have a conversation with her.
Oh dude, you're like, totally missing out. She'll really....got me. You know?
Posted by: Hayden Christensen at November 12, 2012 11:16 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 03:14 PM (8y9MW)
Some guy named Lincoln had something to say about that.
It didn't end well for the secessionists.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 11:17 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 11:17 AM (r2PLg)
Yeah. Because of a lot battlespace preparation on that issue.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 11:17 AM (0q2P7)
Boehner looks like he was just popped up the squeakhole.
Nice Photo op plastic man- did you spend most of the time on your knees pleading he doesn't beat you like a stray dog again?
F'n sellout.
Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 11:18 AM (GGCsk)
When I heard that the other other woman was named Jill Kelly I thought today was going to get a lot more interesting than it has.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 12, 2012 11:18 AM (nZvGM)
Posted by: Hayden Christensen at November 12, 2012 03:16 PM (NF2Bf)
Too much emotion, we're gonna have to run it again.
Posted by: George Lucas at November 12, 2012 11:18 AM (/YJYi)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 11:18 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 12, 2012 11:18 AM (QxSug)
Eh. It's not particularly plausible, but it is possible. If he gave an order (or snapped at his senior officials enough), then they wouldn't bring this kind of thing to him. But those are active choices.
And, again- it doesn't matter. Either he's lying, in which case he's responsible, or he's incompetent, in which case he's responsible.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:19 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 11:19 AM (t06LC)
I knew I guy that couldn't tell you the time of day without lying. For people like that it's an insult to have to tell the truth.
Posted by: eleven at November 12, 2012 11:19 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 12, 2012 11:20 AM (QxSug)
>>>It didn't end well for the secessionists.
Yes, and if a State were to secede, they would quake in their boots knowing that Obama is just as decisive, bold, and posses equal political courage and coviction to ignite and fight a prolonged civil war as Lincoln did.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 11:20 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 12, 2012 11:20 AM (QxSug)
The upside is we'll certainly know when Iran has nukes.
The downside is that it will be because one of our cities was destroyed.
But don't worry, the media will ignore that like they are ignoring the still dire situation in NYC and the surrounding areas, so you won't have to feel sad. Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 11:21 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: sarahw at November 12, 2012 11:21 AM (LYwCh)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 11:21 AM (79ueO)
Yeah, he did. And it probably ended up killing the US slightly slower than allowing the secession would have.
Prior to the Civil War, several states had threatened secession- no one once doubted their right to do so. So it wasn't until Lincoln that anyone thought you couldn't secede.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:21 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: teebone at November 12, 2012 11:22 AM (YtLSL)
This needs to be posted in the AOSHQ FAQ as an example of perfect snark.
Well done sir! Well done!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 11:22 AM (GsoHv)
Uh, WTF?
Last TOTAL damage estimate I saw a few days ago (for all states, and including economic losses, i.e. nothing whatsoever to with repairs) was around $50 billion, with NY about 30% of that (i.e $15 billion), and actual damage, as opposed to economic loss, around 60% of that, so $9 billion.
And much of that would be covered by insurance.
'Shock Doctrine', huh Naomi Klein? Or does it not apply when you and your Marxist apparatchiks actually apply it, as opposed to the purely imaginary acts of the entrepeneurial bogeymen of your nightmares?
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 11:23 AM (XMaKL)
Posted by: George Lucas
E-mo-tion? Is that like, a dating site? Or something?
Posted by: Hayden Christensen at November 12, 2012 11:23 AM (NF2Bf)
Texas, Louisianna and Oklahoma...have refineries.
Lots of refineries.
Texas has about 30 refineries.
Louisianna has 15 or 16, iirc.
Oklahoma has 6.
So if those three states banned together, and declared their independence...
The rest of the country would be in some instant 'hurt' from the gasoline shortage.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 11:23 AM (ICEh3)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 11:23 AM (b1TCv)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at November 12, 2012 11:23 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: Dave S. at November 12, 2012 11:23 AM (QbKVX)
So, like when ObamaCare goes fully into effect? Coincidentally right when the Texas Legislature would be in session?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:24 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 12, 2012 11:24 AM (6JMZR)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 11:24 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 11:24 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: ejo at November 12, 2012 11:24 AM (GXvSO)
Posted by: slim at November 12, 2012 11:25 AM (I2p7A)
You'd have enough to share?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:25 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 11:25 AM (VtjlW)
So, in fact, we owe a great debt to Paula Broadwell.
Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 03:24 PM (x7g7t)
Not as much as I do. All in baby.
Posted by: Gen Dave Patraeus at November 12, 2012 11:26 AM (t06LC)
no I'm an empathetic person who had it beaten into them with my PTSD from mom.....
I'm tired.
I'm lost, and I can;t figure out what the fuck I ever did to make the world hate me so much.
I hate tribalism my only rule for anyone to join was love locke hate marx try to be Smith....
where the fuck am I?
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 11:26 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 11:26 AM (b1TCv)
Posted by: teebone at November 12, 2012 03:22 PM (YtLSL)
I don't know if you're the only one but I don't believe it. She looks fat and horrible and sounds like a fucking alkie most of the time.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 12, 2012 11:26 AM (Abby4)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 03:23 PM (b1TCv)
We'd finally get the topless photos of the moronettes we have all been begging for?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 11:26 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: sarahw at November 12, 2012 03:21 PM (LYwCh)
That one is fine, sarahw. The news stories, however, have reported that Mrs. Broadwell called Petraeus "Peaches." Like my head wasn't already on the verge of exploding the past week. 
One funny thing I realized yesterday, while researching them both. Petraeus turned 60 on Tuesday (election day) and Mrs. Broadwell turned 40 on Friday, the day the shit hit the fan. Happy birthday, suckahs, should have stuck to fapping like the rest of us.
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 11:26 AM (kpCLl)
Posted by: sarahw at November 12, 2012 11:27 AM (LYwCh)
And King Barry and Mooch claim to caaaaare about the troops and their families.
My hate continues to grow.
Posted by: Lord Rainbowshanks at November 12, 2012 11:27 AM (UOM48)
if any coal country came with us we'd win an economic war in decades....
nah fuck it....Old Glory 'cause it is the prettiest flag in the world...except....
I saw skyfall....the Union jack it calls to me....
I'd wash the queen's feet with my tears, we were wrong mother....
we were wrong and at a minimum ma'am you'tre a nobler soul than our new king....can we come home?
and they always say no
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 11:27 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: L, just L at November 12, 2012 11:28 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 12, 2012 11:28 AM (tmzN0)
383How's that Kool-aid taste, Ace? For all your talk of being a conservative, you start wetting your pants the minute a true conservative starts speaking up. I don't want to call you a panty-waisted nancy-boy, but....
Posted by: slim at November 12, 2012 03:25 PM (I2p7A)
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Wtf are you going on about.
Is this a joke?
Ace was all in for Rick Perry, the most conservative candidate in the primaries.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 11:29 AM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Barack Obama as Augustus at November 12, 2012 11:29 AM (4eNxd)
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 03:23 PM (ICEh3)
Especially since the boy wonder's move last week to shut down all drilling on the West coast. He's so dreamy!
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 11:30 AM (kpCLl)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 11:30 AM (79ueO)
@400
Fuck it. I need a new gig. If any state needs a new General for thier militia units, please let me know.
I do require a few things: email access, personal biographer on my staff, you know, little things.
Posted by: Gen Dave Patraeus at November 12, 2012 11:31 AM (t06LC)
yeah a real strategic genius....
maybe free Shit Army can beat the part of the...never mind I really am gonna go to sleep.
Keep safe y'all were it in my power i'd help all of you.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 11:31 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 11:31 AM (b1TCv)
In totally other news....
An Egyptian jihad leader, with self-professed links to the Taliban, called for the “destruction of the Sphinx and the Giza Pyramids in Egypt,” drawing ties between the Egyptian relics and Buddha statues, local media reported this week.
Murgan Salem al-Gohary, an Islamist leader twice-sentenced under former President Hosni Mubarak for advocating violence, called on Muslims to remove such “idols.”
“All Muslims are charged with applying the teachings of Islam to remove such idols, as we did in Afghanistan when we destroyed the Buddha statues,” he said on Saturday during a television interview on an Egyptian private channel, widely watched by Egyptian and Arab audiences.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 12, 2012 11:32 AM (PHb2k)
I also have a very up-close and personal relationship with Paula Broadwell. We've communicated our admiration for General Petraeus and his lovely wife Holly. All will end well.
Posted by: Elena Kagan at November 12, 2012 11:32 AM (lDWQr)
Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 03:24 PM (x7g7t)
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Yes, just leave the cash on the night-stand like always. No freebies.
Posted by: Not and Artist at November 12, 2012 11:32 AM (uRumV)
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 11:32 AM (kpCLl)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:32 AM (8y9MW)
It didn't end well for the secessionists.
@350
CBD
Seriously. Ya'll need to come on down and stay in a gun toting , union-free , no state tax, right to work, red state.
You might change your mind.
Don't go near the Blue Zone , of course....
Posted by: T. Hunter wondering what's next? at November 12, 2012 11:33 AM (EZl54)
@407
I heard a report one of the names being floated around for a spot in the Admin was Devall. I guess Reggie Love is on the outs....
Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 11:33 AM (t06LC)
397374 Wheatie,
if any coal country came with us we'd win an economic war in decades....
nah fuck it....Old Glory 'cause it is the prettiest flag in the world...except....
I saw skyfall....the Union jack it calls to me....
I'd wash the queen's feet with my tears, we were wrong mother....
we were wrong and at a minimum ma'am you'tre a nobler soul than our new king....can we come home?
and they always say no
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Sven, I haven't seen Skyfall yet...but don't be fooled by what you see in a movie.
The Brits are ahead of us, in socialistic control over their daily lives.
I for one...do not want to go back under British rule.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 11:34 AM (ICEh3)
http://scoamf.us/37 -- the one for TX
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:34 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 12, 2012 11:34 AM (74T7W)
Posted by: Thunderb at November 12, 2012 11:34 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Mo the Girl at November 12, 2012 11:34 AM (zYCz+)
called for the “destruction of the Sphinx and the Giza Pyramids in
Egypt,” drawing ties between the Egyptian relics and Buddha statues,
local media reported this week.
Murgan Salem al-Gohary, an Islamist leader twice-sentenced under former
President Hosni Mubarak for advocating violence, called on Muslims to
remove such “idols.”
If they destroy the pyramids, we need to bomb them back into the stone age. I mean this. I still get upset about that humongous buddah statue those assholes blew up several years ago. Fuck those evil goatfuckers.
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 11:35 AM (kpCLl)
I'm trying I must be getting old in college I averaged this easily....
I don;t get why they hate me I'm sorry I was ranty.
Allen G,
we'll see people forget Texas was this pissed in the '70s.
Guys no shit they will treat any secessionist with harder RoE han they use on the current opfor.
bank on it.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 11:35 AM (LRFds)
@369
Prior to the Civil War, several states had threatened secession- no one once doubted their right to do so. So it wasn't until Lincoln that anyone thought you couldn't secede.
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Not true. South Carolina threatened to secede when Jackson was president, but he sent troops to the state to tamp down on it before anything could actually come of the threat.
Posted by: junior at November 12, 2012 11:35 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 11:36 AM (79ueO)
They sure as hell haven't run for national office.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 12, 2012 03:28 PM (tmzN0)
Even if they had a Stonewall Jackson, they'd just be looking to BJ the DJ, Mike-Huckabee-style
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 12, 2012 11:36 AM (b1iOR)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 11:36 AM (b1TCv)
I know but maybe we can reverse the flow in the motherland like the Canadians pulled back?
I do not understand why thy hate the Anglic nation having pride enough to ask for integration instead of Balkanization?
What did we do so wrong we are unable to feel pride like my Chinese friends do?
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 11:37 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: ATEXAN at November 12, 2012 11:38 AM (TeGyF)
Sven,
Peaches is right, hon...get some sleep.
I highly recommend the herbal sleep remedies, like SleepMD and Alteryl.
They work.
Add some benedryl, if you need to...but get some sleep.
You're no good to your family if you get sick or have a meltdown.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 11:38 AM (ICEh3)
Setting aside all the problems with secession generally, it would be nice to have some country that was more conservative/libertarian than the USA. It would be a good counter example to the leftist statist BS that the Dems want to pull. Right now, the USA is the most "free" state on the planet ("free" in the libertarian sense, not the anarchist sense).
Posted by: wooga at November 12, 2012 11:38 AM (vjyZP)
That's certainly the truth.
IF these discussions were going on withing the Halls of Power here in TX, I would hope that moves were already being made to secure the US Military resources within the State.
Because then we have a fighting chance.
Also- second the notion you go get some sleep. When I don't want to dope up too much, I'll use valerian (sp?) root. One capsule is usually enough to let me wind down and sleep. If I really can't sleep (and I know I have at least 8.5 hours) I'll take 2.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:38 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Thunderb at November 12, 2012 11:39 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: L, just L at November 12, 2012 11:40 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 11:40 AM (79ueO)
That's why I think it entirely possible Obama wasn't told. Even before campaign season he was highly disengaged, rarely meeting with his own cabinet or congressional leaders. He had briefings sent to his iPad instead of personally attending. He did manage a hundred rounds of golf, so there is that.
I mean, how often does Mueller even get an audience with The One? My guess: almost never.
And during the campaign? I suspect he was "President" in the same way that the Queen Elizabeth rules England.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 11:43 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 11:44 AM (kpCLl)
Posted by: Thunderb at November 12, 2012 11:44 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 11:48 AM (x7g7t)
428415 whetie,
I know but maybe we can reverse the flow in the motherland like the Canadians pulled back?
I do not understand why thy hate the Anglic nation having pride enough to ask for integration instead of Balkanization?
What did we do so wrong we are unable to feel pride like my Chinese friends do?
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You know the answer to this, Sven.
We let our compassion and our honor...be used against us.
We fight with honor...they don't.
We let things like 'political correctness' and 'multiculturalism' creep in...when they are simply cloaking devices for curtailing Freedom of Speech and devaluing our own culture.
If we are going to "let it burn", then we must demand that R's in congress block all bailouts to the states which should burn first.
Bailouts will only delay the burn.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 11:48 AM (ICEh3)
Posted by: General Zod at November 12, 2012 11:49 AM (2+bRt)
Posted by: junior at November 12, 2012 03:35 PM (UWFpX)
One should pay more attention in history class. He threatened to take military action and congress passed a bill authorizing it at the same time they reduced the tariffs of abomination.
When the tariffs were reduced SC repealed the nullification law. And the crisis was averted.
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 11:50 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: RKinRoanoke at November 12, 2012 11:50 AM (DOEXI)
Posted by: L, just L at November 12, 2012 11:53 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 11:53 AM (YdQQY)
These are not the droids you are looking for. Move along.
Posted by: The Conneticut Cabal at November 12, 2012 02:27 PM (evdj2)
Rubio's garbage cans.......
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 12, 2012 11:56 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: sarahw at November 12, 2012 12:13 PM (LYwCh)
"Jennifer Griffin at Fox has now reported that indeed the CIA was holding prisoners at their Benghazi annex location; this squares with Broadwell's remarks at a filmed 26 October lecture at the University of Denver (?) that this was the case, that Petraeus had learned of this, and that the sense among Petraeus' folks was that the chief object of the 11 September 2012 attack was actually the CIA location holding-pen. Existence of which was in express contravention of a 2009 Executive Order, and about which the POTUS and DCI might both have been fully aware prior to 11 Sep."
________________________________
As for his affair compromising security, isn't this proof of that? That Broadwell knew of the prisonsers at the CIA annex and the one who must have told her was Petraeus?
Wasn't she essentially outting Petraeus at the same time she may have been trying to protect him (by saying he wasn't allowed to speak to the press?).
All the way around, a huge mess, all because of Obama's "light-foot" Mideast policies and all because the Chicago boys think they know what the hell they're doing.
It's going to be really tough, as the layers of the onion are peeled off one by one, to get any Dems to say the POTUS knew anything. They will not. The black folk I know are already convinced (which is one reason black folk never climb out of their socioeconomic mess and dysfunction--it's just easier to lie to yourself about the man keeping you down than to admit your own fuckin' failings as a group) that whites in general are out to get Obama..
Posted by: gm at November 12, 2012 12:18 PM (wgmUB)
So they tried to fake everybody out there by looking defenseless as if to advertise no need for defence. HEY GUYS WE ARE harmless and unobtrusive; but the mistake of gaining such an appearance not with camouflauge but actual weak security, to the point of not letting anyone there have some when it was needed and begged for, and incidents were increasing and escalating.
If there were trying to fool the people there, they didn't do a very good job. I think they will have more success fooling Americans, though, and keeping them from understanding how the facility was being used and how necessary boosted security had been. If Americans find out now, it'll be like Obama just murdered a bunch of Americans to hide his methods.
Posted by: sarahw at November 12, 2012 12:22 PM (LYwCh)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 12, 2012 12:23 PM (hNXHo)
Just had a delicious thought (even though he's a loon). I have no idea if there has been an impeachable offense such as obstruction of justice, but if so, the Obama admin has to worry about Old Joe, whose only chance of ever being President, a job he has coveted for decades, is if his boss is impeached.
I'd think Barry and group would never show their hand to the Veep, but some things are hard to hide.
It's nice to think about their having to worry about Joe as well as so many other things.
Posted by: gm at November 12, 2012 12:28 PM (wgmUB)
Posted by: gm at November 12, 2012 12:31 PM (wgmUB)
You recall Admiral Poindexter protected Reagan with "plausible deniability."
I can buy that Holder would hold off telling Obama until after the election as long as it was only for a few weeks. However, the thing that I don't buy that some began saying yesterday is that the affair didn't begin until after he became Director.
Every journalist now who had been in Afghanistan said it was a not so secret secret that they were a twosome.
Posted by: gm at November 12, 2012 12:36 PM (wgmUB)
137 "I imagine Obama probably has an arrangement that all news come through Valerie Jarrett. She decides whether it is ok for him to "hear" it or not."
That's probably 100% accurate.
"Oh yeah, a buffer. The family had a lot of buffers!" - Willie Cicci
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Cloak and dagger and Slap and tickle?
Let me guess, either kinky sex acts or David Petreus and Paula Broadwell's respective codenames?
Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 09:00 AM (t06LC)