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June 02, 2012

President Obama - CyberWarrior! [ArthurK]
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There's a fascinating article in the NYT Friday about the cyberattacks on Iranian nuclear facilities. It's really good and you should Read The Whole Thing... but not right now.

Short version, the STUXNET worm (and maybe the newer FLAME) are weapons in a joint US/Israeli cyberwar against Iran. Wow, what a scoop!

This account of the American and Israeli effort to undermine the Iranian nuclear program is based on interviews over the past 18 months with current and former American, European and Israeli officials involved in the program, as well as a range of outside experts. None would allow their names to be used because the effort remains highly classified, and parts of it continue to this day.

Not a scoop. Not investigative journalism. You might get 1 or 2 insiders to breach security and tell stories. But this was Full Cooperation. NYT didn't have to find these people - these people must have been told to tell NYT everything they needed for the story.

So, unusually, I'm not blaming NYT for breaking US security. This had to come from the White House. President Obama.

('shop by Slublog)

The story is a campaign ad. And it reveals a bunch of Top Secret stuff. National Security info.

You think, "Well Iran must know we did this." No they didn't. I've been following Stuxnet since the story broke - there've been rumors about the Chinese and even antagonistic internal Iranian elements.

You think, "Iran knows how many centrifuges went down." Yeah, and now they know that we know. They know if our damage assessment is working. In a war, it's not enough to bomb a target - you have to know if the bomb HIT the target. The enemy delights in erecting fake targets and fake bomb damage. They want to know if their spoofs are successful. This article tells Iran what we think we accomplished. If they were spoofing, they'd know if it worked.

There's other info you don't want to give away in the article but I don't need to list all of them.

You don't give this information away! And President Obama did.

Why?

Look at some quotes from NYT.

From his first months in office, President Obama secretly ordered increasingly sophisticated attacks
Mr. Obama decided that the cyberattacks should proceed.
Mr. Obama concluded that when it came to stopping Iran, the United States had no other choice.
Mr. Obama authorized the attacks to continue, and every few weeks - certainly after a major attack - he would get updates and authorize the next step. Sometimes it was a strike riskier and bolder than what had been tried previously.
"From his first days in office, he was deep into every step in slowing the Iranian program - the diplomacy, the sanctions, every major decision,"
Mr. Obama, according to officials in the room, asked a series of questions, fearful that the code could do damage outside the plant.
Mr. Obama came to office with an interest in cyberissues, ... What he did not say then was that he was also learning the arts of cyberwar.

Learning the arts of cyberwar? What A Bad Ass! President Patton lives in the White House!

You might say, "Oh, you're just some winger. Hating on everything the President does." Well, sure.

But what about Glenn Greenwald?

Greenwald gets quoted favorably in the Ace of Spades Blog. We are truly in the End of Days.

Glenn has a good article in Salon, Yes, Salon!, looking at this business, and he's not happy about it.

(article's sub-headline) A White House obsessed with secrecy and punishing whistleblowers loves classifed disclosures that glorify Obama
This morning’s story by Sanger is but the latest in a long line of leaks about classified programs that have two attributes in common: (1) they come from senior Obama administration officials; and (2) they are designed to depict President Obama, in an Election Year, as a super-tough, hands-on, no-nonsense Warrior.
we have the spectacle of Obama’s "senior administration officials" boasting to Sanger about the details of this highly classified program and Obama’s heroic seizing of the mantle ("From his first days in office, he was deep into every step in slowing the Iranian program - the diplomacy, the sanctions, every major decision," a senior administration official said. "And it’s safe to say that whatever other activity might have been under way was no exception to that rule"). In other words: Dear Vital Jewish Voters in Crucial Swing States: behold what this great leader did in secret to pummel Iran.
So exposing classified national security information is an act of criminal evil when done by a whistleblower to expose high-level error or abuse, or to a court trying to assess the legality of the President’s actions. But it is an act of great nobility when done to venerate the President as a strong and tough warrior.

(examples of punished whistle-blowers skipped)

There’s one last point meriting consideration. Note how eager Obama officials are to use leaks to tout his militaristic aggression. He ended bin Laden and Awlaki’s lives.

Why is Obama eager to get lefties (like Greenwald) to condemn him for this stuff?

It’s because, aside from the tried-and-true strategy of Democratic politicians benefiting politically from provoking criticism from the "Left," Obama officials are eager to depict him as a violence-wielding aggressor.
That’s because huge numbers of America’s independents, "moderates" and Good Progressives are extremely aroused by these sort of displays of manly presidential "toughness": witness the stiffened spines and puffed-out chests as they hail their leader for dumping bin Laden’s bullet-riddled body into the ocean or creating piles of other corpses throughout the Muslim world. The more objections from liberals and others, the better.
That’s all repellent enough. But that they use national security leaks to accomplish these political goals - at the very same time they exploit secrecy claims to persecute whistleblowers and shield themselves from judicial review - makes it just grotesque.

Ok, so President Obama is a jerk. But hey, that's the way politics are done. Actually, when it comes to National Security, it's not. Forget that this cyberwar was a Bush43 program that Obama inherited... Let's go back a little further.

Cold War. Nixon vs. JFK. Very Close Race. JFK is hammering Nixon (and Eisenhower) on National Defense over the Missile Gap.

In the 1950s there was a dispute in the intelligence community over how many ICBMs the Soviets had pointed at us. Estimates ranged from a dozen to almost a thousand. After Sputnik (Oct. 1957) a near panic set in among the public. JFK received leaked estimates on the higher ranges and used those in his campaign against Nixon. Said Nixon and Eisenhower were weak on defense!

But Eisenhower, with the benefit of recent U-2 photos, knew the low estimates were correct. Not willing to tell the Soviets how well the U-2 performed... He Kept His Mouth Shut. And JFK* won a very close election.

*JFK got a classified briefing in July 1960 that told him the missile gap didn't exist. Don't know if he kept campaigning on it afterwards.

One more example.

Breaking the German Enigma machine cipher was a pretty big deal during WW2. It was a well kept secret until the mid-1970s. What's the point? We were happy to help many 3rd world countries obtain mint-condition Enigma machines for their cryptographic needs. That was probably pretty useful.

So even if the Iranians know every single detail of the cyberwar we're waging... not every other possible future target does! At least, they didn't until Obama got in a difficult election campaign... (and it's only June!)

And It Gets Worse.

(NYT again)

(Obama) repeatedly expressed concerns that any American acknowledgment that it was using cyberweapons ... could enable other countries, terrorists or hackers to justify their own attacks.

The NYT article counts as an American acknowledgment. In Obama's opinion, that makes us fair game. Good luck in your (hypothetical) 2nd term.

_{^{(if you had been following my twitter-feed at @ComradeArthur you'd have known this stuff hours and hours ago...)}}

Posted by: Open Blogger at 03:17 PM | Comments (148)
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1 Exposing American national security secrets is always a GutsyCall.

Posted by: Cicero at June 02, 2012 03:18 PM (qhHI4)

2 Bad minus ass equals bad.

Gore invented the Internets so Obama could use them to eradicate threats to the U.S. will be the next big headline.

Posted by: Cynthia at June 02, 2012 03:19 PM (lhhNH)

3 So can the President commit treason? I'm only kind of kidding, it's actually a fascinating legal question.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 02, 2012 03:19 PM (Gk3SS)

4 You must know of my works to worship me properly.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at June 02, 2012 03:20 PM (4eNMP)

5 The category is Obama Body Parts for $100.

They're big, purple and flappy and endanger America's security. And please remember that your answer must be in the form of a question.

Posted by: Alex Trebeck at June 02, 2012 03:21 PM (qhHI4)

How's my ass taste peasants?

Posted by: President BumperSticker at June 02, 2012 03:21 PM (gVUg0)

My. Name. Is. Neo!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at June 02, 2012 03:22 PM (4eNMP)

8 So can the President commit treason? I'm only kind of kidding, it's actually a fascinating legal question.

It is. I'm tempted to say "no", or at least "no for almost any case that could possibly happen." His position means that any decision to leak becomes automatic declassification. Likewise, his position as commander in chief would give him wide latitude when it comes to military decision making.

This is why we have to be wary of "internationalists" when it comes to the highest levels of government. There is simply too much damage that they can do legally.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 03:24 PM (kLlbZ)

9 You just KNOW the Kenyans are praying this asshole wasn't born in Kenya.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 02, 2012 03:25 PM (niZvt)

10 1) Took credit for something he didn't do. 2) Blamed Bush. 3) Harmed our intelligence and war-prevention efforts. 4) Harmed Israel and increased the motivation for action against them by Iran (already high). 5) Increased the chance of war in the ME. 6) Increased the likelihood that Iran will develop these weapons sooner. 7) Exposed the US and Israel to general international sanction / retribution beyond the ME. Our President is a traitor. And enemy of our nation. Fucking period. Don't even fucking argue, the SOB would do less damage lobbing Katyushas at us.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 02, 2012 03:26 PM (bxiXv)

11 0101110101101010110101011, Bitches!

Posted by: Barack9000 at June 02, 2012 03:26 PM (6KkLK)

12
Hey everyone!!! I've also got a really cool spy RIGHT INSIDE China's Politburo!!! His name is Jiang He-ping and he lives at 11 Fuxian-lu in Beijing's Haidian District.

Top that!

Posted by: preezy of the yoonited steezy at June 02, 2012 03:27 PM (7P/17)

13 Haha...Obama think he's an 3l33t h4x0r!!!

Posted by: EC at June 02, 2012 03:27 PM (R15UB)

'Utilitarians make tools of us all.'

Immanuel Kant -Stuff Kant said Vol. 1

Posted by: garrett at June 02, 2012 03:27 PM (4eNMP)

15 I don't see why any President cannot commit a treasonous act. It would have to be up to Congress to impeach and/or arrest him. Ever see the movie "Seven Days in May?" Made by John Frankenheimer who also directed "The Manchurian Candidate." SCOAMF is both of those presidents.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 02, 2012 03:27 PM (MCDCp)

16 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 02, 2012 07:19 PM

The more accurate question, dear alexthechick, is "can/will he be tried and convicted for it?" The Dog-Eater-in-Chief definitely HAS committed treason (IMO, anyway) and, in an honest political climate (and with his Blackdemocratium armor stripped away) would, at a minimum, lose his job.

If he were a soldier or government employee, he would spend the rest of his life in prison for this and other misdeeds. If punishment guidelines were adhered to, he would fare worse.

I know what the Constitution says, and am therefore certain he will (again) skate on this, just as he will for revealing Seal Team Six. No other U.S. citizen would get off so easily.

OTOH, I know what I think should happen, and the SCoaMF wouldn't like it a bit.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 02, 2012 03:27 PM (MQc8e)

17 So can the President commit treason? I'm only kind of kidding, it's actually a fascinating legal question.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 02, 2012 07:19 PM (Gk3SS)

I think the Preezy can declassify anything he wants to. The difference is that when George Bush did it the media called him on it. When Preezy does it it's dreamy.

Congress and Romney needs to start making a big deal of all the leaks lately.

Posted by: robtr at June 02, 2012 03:28 PM (MtwBb)

GODDAMMIT!!!

There is no reason for this to come out. None!

"So, unusually, I'm not blaming NYT for breaking US security. This had to come from the White House. President Obama."

Sorry Comrade Arthur, I'm going to disagree. Even though the WH leaked it, doesn't mean the NYTimes has to report it.

But then, when has that ever stopped them from damaging our Intelligence capabilities?

Posted by: HH at June 02, 2012 03:29 PM (v+ExF)

19 9 You just KNOW the Kenyans are praying this asshole wasn't born in Kenya. Posted by: CoolCzech at June 02, 2012 07:25 PM (niZvt) He was cobbled together in a Hyde Park basement.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 02, 2012 03:29 PM (MCDCp)

20 There can be only ONE!! The whole world revolves around MEEEEE!!

Posted by: President BumperSticker at June 02, 2012 03:30 PM (gVUg0)

@9 - The Obama administration wrote the new Kenyan constitution in such a way that a person can be their president if only one of their parents was Kenyan - the person running for office can grow up somewhere else and STILL qualify to run for President.

In the movie that is playing inside Mr. Narcissism's head, he will be the first person in the history of the world to be the President of not one, but TWO countries.....

Ironically, I don't think he is black enough for any self-respecting Kenyan to consider him as a serious contender.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 02, 2012 03:30 PM (0xqzf)

22 When the final tally of all the damage Obama wreaked on America is taken, the last few years will be remembered as America's darkest hour. I'm afraid we don't know half of it.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 02, 2012 03:31 PM (niZvt)

23
Ironically, I don't think he is black enough for any self-respecting Kenyan to consider him as a serious contender.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 02, 2012 07:30 PM (0xqzf)

I hope you are right.

It NEVER ends well for African Presidents.

Posted by: garrett at June 02, 2012 03:31 PM (4eNMP)

24 17 FDR left a decrypted Japanese message in a White House basement and both General Marshall and Admiral Stark temporarily took him off the list to read these messages. And that was just a careless mistake. If FDR did what SCOAMF has done, they'd've stood him up in front of a firing squad.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 02, 2012 03:32 PM (MCDCp)

25
Hah, attack me on national security will you? Well, who else has a worm right inside the highest levels of the Muslim Brotherhood? Don't believe me? His name is Mohammed Al-Azhar and he lives in the Batha district of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia! He works as a research scientist at King Saud University.

What've YOU got, Romney?

Posted by: preezy of the yoonited steezy at June 02, 2012 03:32 PM (7P/17)

26 There is no reason for this to come out. None! Posted by: HH at June 02, 2012 07:29 PM (v+ExF) Of course there is. To harm America and her allies, and to give aid and comfort to her enemies.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 02, 2012 03:32 PM (bxiXv)

27 It is. I'm tempted to say "no", or at least "no for almost any case that could possibly happen." His position means that any decision to leak becomes automatic declassification. Likewise, his position as commander in chief would give him wide latitude when it comes to military decision making.

That's my thought as well. If the President decides to release the info, well, it's declassified. Short of actually telling one branch of the military to start shooting at another, I can't think (or well don't want to think is more accurate) of any actions that would suffice.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 02, 2012 03:32 PM (Gk3SS)

28 Meant to say White House waste basket. Fucking auto correct sux!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 02, 2012 03:32 PM (MCDCp)

I've said it before, Obama will go down in history as America's Akhenaten

Posted by: garrett at June 02, 2012 03:33 PM (4eNMP)

30
Barack Obama: Gutsy Code

Posted by: Wodeshed at June 02, 2012 03:33 PM (UuLBC)

31 And as usual, its President George W. Bush who should get the bulk of the credit, since he established the program.

Posted by: James at June 02, 2012 03:34 PM (IoTd/)

32 The guy causes active info on sources and methods to leak out, to aid his campaign. The NYT, not precisely a bastion of patriotism, fulfills its duty as Obama's PR front, and publishes it. Meanwhile in Iran, they walk the cats backward, find a few people to kill, and that avenue is now no longer available to us, to potentially disable their nuclear weapon ambitions, without starting another war. Ok. To all voters: President Obama is a dangerous person to have in office. He is openly and actively compromising operations, current and future. Regardless of your political inclination, if you care about this country, and the men and women whom protect it, putting their lives and well being on the line to do so, you cannot possibly vote in favor of returning him to office. If there was any hope at all of getting articles of impeachment going to trial in the senate, I'd be suggesting that. President Obama, by his actions, has met all the criteria for impeachment. Impeachment is specifically to protect the country and the constitution from predations of a failed leader. This is occuring now. Sadly the democratic party of today is hard leftist and anti-American enough not to recognize when its leader has become a danger to the country. Please fellow voters, even if you cannot vote for an republican, find another place other than Obama to place your vote. Obama represents an absolute failure of leadership, and his team and he are so cravenly covetous of retaining the presidency, he is willing to place the country and its future at greater risk to do so. That in and of itself merits an impeachment. 5 more months. Then lets get rid of this bozo. Send him back to Chicago.

Posted by: John Galt at June 02, 2012 03:34 PM (9NQ6I)

33 That's my thought as well. If the President decides to release the info, well, it's declassified. Short of actually telling one branch of the military to start shooting at another, I can't think (or well don't want to think is more accurate) of any actions that would suffice.

He'd pretty much have to raise a private army and order Congress arrested or try to suspend the Constitution.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 03:35 PM (kLlbZ)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 02, 2012 07:32 PM (bxiXv)

No shit. I just can't believe this...

Posted by: HH at June 02, 2012 03:35 PM (v+ExF)

35 I can't think (or well don't want to think is more accurate) of any actions that would suffice.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 02, 2012 07:32 PM

Given that we have never had a president who hated his country with the virulence Bark Obama displays, perhaps it's time to change the rules.

The SCoaMF is a traitor. The sooner people stop being nice about this the better for all of us. He needs to be taken away from the White House in handcuffs and put before a jury.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 02, 2012 03:36 PM (MQc8e)

36 He'd pretty much have to raise a private army and order Congress arrested or try to suspend the Constitution.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 07:35 PM (kLlbZ)

Valerie?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at June 02, 2012 03:37 PM (4eNMP)

37
...find another place other than Obama to place your vote.

Preaching to the choir, maybe?

Posted by: Wodeshed at June 02, 2012 03:37 PM (UuLBC)

38 I spread not only wealth around but information around!! Its fair, yo!

Posted by: President TransNationalist at June 02, 2012 03:37 PM (gVUg0)

39 He'd pretty much have to raise a private army and order Congress arrested or try to suspend the Constitution. Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 07:35 PM (kLlbZ) Careful. Don't give Valerie the rodent any ideas (as if she isn't drooling at the prospect).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 02, 2012 03:37 PM (MCDCp)

40
And if you like this lovely selection of leaked secrets, you're gonna LOVE what I do as a lame duck!!

It's really so selfish to keep all that cool technology to ourselves. Knowledge was meant to be shared!!!!

Posted by: preezy of the yoonited steezy at June 02, 2012 03:37 PM (7P/17)

41 31 "And as usual, its President George W. Bush who should get the bulk of the credit, since he established the program"

Everything Obama has done that has not been a complete CFOAMF (and a few of the things that have been) has either been a continuation of a Bush decision or a slap in the face to a Clinton.

Posted by: The Q at June 02, 2012 03:38 PM (LnQhT)

42 I used to play a pretty mean game of Frogger. No kidding.

Posted by: Joe Biden, Class Clown (Retired) at June 02, 2012 03:38 PM (IoNBC)

43 31 And as usual, its President George W. Bush who should get the bulk of the credit, since he established the program. Posted by: James at June 02, 2012 07:34 PM (IoTd/) YEP. Bush wasnt a traitor who would leak info for a re election.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 02, 2012 03:38 PM (DGIjM)

44 If I had a son, he'd look just like Baraka

Posted by: Two-headed Zombie Benedict Arnold/Lord Haw-Haw at June 02, 2012 03:38 PM (MCDCp)

45 Valerie Jarrett made him do it.

Posted by: Joan of Argghh! at June 02, 2012 03:39 PM (sSDkA)

46 Off, Quisling sock!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 02, 2012 03:39 PM (MCDCp)

Why do you think we named the virus 'Flamer'?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama - Gay Preezy at June 02, 2012 03:41 PM (4eNMP)

48 That's my thought as well. If the President decides to release the info, well, it's declassified. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 02, 2012 07:32 PM (Gk3SS) So we live in a dictatorship now? I don't know all the laws regarding declassification, but I'm fairly sure there are laws on the subject, and they don't say "well, whatever the fuck this one guy wants is the way it is." And I'd bet dollars to dimes they didn't go through that legal process, they just called up their buddies at the New Duranty Times and gave away national security secrets.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 02, 2012 03:41 PM (bxiXv)

49 As usual ANYTHING that can be spun as positive serves the sole purpose of glorifying the Narcissist-In-Chief.

National Security be damned.
As it most certainly has.

Posted by: ontherocks at June 02, 2012 03:42 PM (aZ6ew)

50
Send him back to Chicago.

Posted by: John Galt
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Kinda OT.

Something from the previous thread. He won't go back to Chicago humbly the way George W went back to Texas. Imagine Obama, Bill Clinton, and Hillary all at large at the same time, all competing for the same job, the same favors, the same dollars. Kind of funny to see how that will play out.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at June 02, 2012 03:43 PM (7P/17)

51 > 18 Even though the WH leaked it, doesn't mean the NYTimes has to report it. But then, when has that ever stopped them from damaging our Intelligence capabilities? Posted by: HH Oh, I don't let NYT off, I just assign more than 50% blame to Obama.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 02, 2012 03:43 PM (Z+/1s)

52 Generally speaking, leftists are bloodthirsty cockholsters willing to see their enemies die by millions. Yet he can't even do that right, trying to brush up his SpecOps supersoldier street cred with bloodless cyberwar.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 02, 2012 03:44 PM (Rhie+)

53 Imagine what he's going to let loose between Election Day and January 20.

Posted by: dagny at June 02, 2012 03:44 PM (WCAIB)

54 Obama will spend his post-presidential career bashing America so hard and often, he'll make Jimmuh look like Ronald Reagan. He is an abject, despicable piece of shit. I blame the parents. And him.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 02, 2012 03:45 PM (MCDCp)

55
Imagine what he's going to let loose between Election Day and January 20. Posted by: dagny
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Hence #40 from some idiot sock.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at June 02, 2012 03:45 PM (7P/17)

56 53 Imagine what he's going to let loose between Election Day and January 20. That's what I'm afraid of. It won't be limited to security matters, either.

Posted by: Scobface at June 02, 2012 03:46 PM (IoNBC)

57 Generally speaking, leftists are bloodthirsty cockholsters willing to see their enemies die by millions. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 02, 2012 07:44 PM (Rhie+) Yeah, biggest problem with that - WE'RE THEIR ENEMIES! Not terrorists, not dictators and slavers, not autocracies and waste-layers - but us.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 02, 2012 03:46 PM (bxiXv)

58 The Choomer In Chief has Kangaroo Hands! http://www.velociworld.com/Velociblog/Oldvelocity/003911.html

Posted by: Joan of Argghh! at June 02, 2012 03:46 PM (sSDkA)

59 Can we start impeachment proceedings now? Hmmm?

Yeah, I know at this point it's ridiculous, but how long do we let a president go unchecked like this while he destroys this country and our ability to defend ourselves?

Posted by: cranky-d at June 02, 2012 03:47 PM (JWd0O)

60 Clinton at least got campaign cash from the Chinese for our military hardware.

Come November 7, Obama will be giving it out for free

Posted by: The Q at June 02, 2012 03:47 PM (LnQhT)

61 His next job will be a consultant for the Chinese.

Posted by: Jimmah at June 02, 2012 03:47 PM (cWkOB)

62
Obama will spend his post-presidential career bashing America so hard and often, he'll make Jimmuh look like Ronald Reagan.
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And he'll hang his head sadly and say he's doing it out of love.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at June 02, 2012 03:47 PM (7P/17)

63 53, 56 I predict SCOAMF does more damage in 3 months of lame-duckitude than in the previous 45.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 02, 2012 03:48 PM (MCDCp)

64 So we live in a dictatorship now?

You're just noticing this?

Oh, I'm sure there are ways and means and procedures for declassifying stuff. I'm also pretty sure there's no court in the country that wouldn't deem that the President as CiC and head of the Executive branch can make a determination that information should be released in the interests of national security blah blah blah.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 02, 2012 03:48 PM (Gk3SS)

65 > 22 When the final tally of all the damage Obama wreaked on America is taken, the last few years will be remembered as America's darkest hour. I'm afraid we don't know half of it. Posted by: CoolCzech Possilble. It wasn't until a few years ago that I learned how bad things got under Carter. Was reading a couple of cold war memoir stuff by ex-KGB types and, after Vietnam and after Carter's election the Soviets - who had been trying to hold on - went, "Hey, we can WIN this thing" and ramped up their aggression world-wide. One reason they were so upset with Reagan is not that he was beating them, but that he was beating them after they thought they could win.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 02, 2012 03:48 PM (Z+/1s)

66 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2012 03:49 PM (Xb3hu)

67 What the hell is up with this asshole?! He's using top secret military missions as campaign fundraisers? I don't believe this shit anymore. Its too much to take

Its getting very easy to make the case that this asshole IS in fact some kind of infiltrator, terrorist, and America hating motherfucker

Posted by: Can of Raid at June 02, 2012 03:49 PM (NQNTT)

68 He can join Jimmu and Habitrail for Inhumanity and build an addition to his brother's hut in Kenya.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 02, 2012 03:49 PM (MCDCp)

Oh joy. Teh SCOAMF as Max Headroom.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy with talent on loan from SMOD at June 02, 2012 03:50 PM (d0Tfm)

70 Gee,I bet the Israeli's appreciate these leaks as much as British intelligence appreciated the last one.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2012 03:50 PM (Xb3hu)

Affirmative Action Jackson is the result of the progressives jerking off and academia sitting on it at the last second.

His conception was the nexus of a tainted egg and a weak sperm.

Posted by: garrett borrowing a little, here... at June 02, 2012 03:50 PM (4eNMP)

72
I don't know all the laws regarding declassification, but I'm fairly sure there are laws on the subject, and they don't say "well, whatever the fuck this one guy wants is the way it is."

When that one guy is the President, then he pretty much can. Roughly speaking, classification level is determined by policies set in place by various agencies. As the Chief Executive, the President can order a change in those policies. Thus, any decision to release information is a de facto policy change.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 03:51 PM (kLlbZ)

73 71 His conception was the nexus of a tainted egg and a weak sperm. Posted by: garrett borrowing a little, here... at June 02, 2012 07:50 PM (4eNMP) Defective merman milt and day old sushi roe.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 02, 2012 03:53 PM (MCDCp)

Man o man, it took 30yrs or more the the 'Ultra' story to come out. Well, discounting Ian Flemings "From Russia with Love". And I'm betting that he got away with it because nothing was known about the case because it was so secret.

But still, this is just absolutely stupid that I can't even get my mind around it.

Hell, I might as well submit an application to the CIA or whatever, as the mass resignations will surely leave a lot of job openings...

Jesus H...

Posted by: HH at June 02, 2012 03:53 PM (v+ExF)

75 Obama learned cyberwar so well,that he wrote the code for the FLAME virus.True story.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2012 03:54 PM (Xb3hu)

76
A lot of GMTAs about O's lame-duck leaks.

I wonder if Leon Panetta and folks in military intel are getting worried. A few of them will be keeping their jobs even after Obama goes, and those jobs won't be so easy thanks to his good deeds.

Yeah, I know some of them are fifth-columnists, but not to the extent the traitor-in-chief is. He tops them all.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at June 02, 2012 03:54 PM (7P/17)

77 Yeah, I know at this point it's ridiculous, but how long do we let a president go unchecked like this while he destroys this country and our ability to defend ourselves? Posted by: cranky-d at June 02, 2012 07:47 PM (JWd0O) Forever, because racism. He can launch a nuclear strike on America, as long as he only hits red states, because racism. As far as I can tell, there's no limit to the crimes the left are allowed to commit, and only when people are ACTUALLY locked behind chain link fences and deprived of freedom will it be time to respond in any other way that mild objections. People really are too stupid to self-govern. Mind you, that doesn't make fascists right, because if you're too stupid to self-govern, your're obviously too stupid to govern anyone else.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 02, 2012 03:54 PM (bxiXv)

78 Yes just imagine what damage JEF will do between getting his ass kicked in November and when we finally evict him and his grifter wife from the WH. in 20 to 25 years when the books are finally written on what happened in this regime I am sure it will be vomit inducing.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 02, 2012 03:55 PM (jucos)

79 77 Yep,melanin is a wonderful thing to have an excess of.Justifies almost any behavior.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2012 03:56 PM (Xb3hu)

80 A few of them will be keeping their jobs even after Obama goes, Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at June 02, 2012 07:54 PM (7P/17) Oh God I hope not, though you're probably right.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 02, 2012 03:56 PM (bxiXv)

81 74 Hell, I might as well submit an application to the CIA or whatever, as the mass resignations will surely leave a lot of job openings... Jesus H... Posted by: HH at June 02, 2012 07:53 PM (v+ExF) Not with Panetta and SCOAMF still in charge as well as a compliant JCS. We need a Wild Bill Donovan there and in the fucking White House before I would consider it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 02, 2012 03:56 PM (MCDCp)

82 Please excuse the OT here but is are you all aware of the mailing going out in WI that lists your neighbors' name & address & whether they voted? It's amazing, just an amazing example of thuggery. Althouse has a couple of posts on it. Perhaps you've all seen it but it's just stunning to me. The mailing is hitting this week end.

Posted by: kqb29 at June 02, 2012 03:56 PM (Iqyva)

83 I'm surprised Obama hasn't attempted to reinstitute the lifetime Secret Service protection for himself. Or has he and I just haven't heard about it? Because you know the jackass would really hate the thought of paying for his own security.

Posted by: buzzion at June 02, 2012 03:56 PM (GULKT)

84 About JFK ,he was elected talking tougher than Eisenhower,but Eisenhower didn't have to talkk,the Russians knew he meant busiiness.Ike briefed Keneedy that there was a necessity to send troops into Laos but he was leaving it to his successor.Well,Kennedy let Laos and Cambodia fall under communist domination,making it much more difficult to defend South Vietnam.He wasn't tougher,he was a pussy who the Russians laughed at.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2012 03:59 PM (Xb3hu)

85 Has anyone else seen the post at Blackfive about Brocko Bomma's me-morial day? http://scoamf.us/uE

Posted by: Toaster at June 02, 2012 03:59 PM (sJKFk)

86
Okay, if all this lame duck danger occurs to us, it's got to occur to Romney. I'd like to see it come up in debate.

Romney (finger jabbed at the SCOAMF, eyes narrowing): "I hope a few people with locks on our national security secrets are keeping a close watch on you."

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at June 02, 2012 04:01 PM (7P/17)

87 Mr. Obama came to office with an interest in cyberissues, ... What he did not say then was that he was also learning the arts of cyberwar. I must confess that I hope something very bad happens to tools like the NYT. I could only regard it as them getting a dose of what they are willing to repeatedly put Americans at risk of for the benefit of the Democratic Party. To hell with them and may they rot there!

Posted by: Sherlock at June 02, 2012 04:03 PM (f29LO)

88
Has anyone else seen the post at Blackfive about Brocko Bomma's me-morial day?
--------------------

I've kept myself away from all such things. I can't do anything about it, but I can treasure my own experience of the day.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at June 02, 2012 04:03 PM (7P/17)

89 I wonder if Romney will conduct business from the Office of the President Elect. I think JEF still has some stationary and envelopes.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 02, 2012 04:03 PM (jucos)

90 83 I'm surprised Obama hasn't attempted to reinstitute the lifetime Secret Service protection for himself. Or has he and I just haven't heard about it? Because you know the jackass would really hate the thought of paying for his own security. Posted by: buzzion at June 02, 2012 07:56 PM (GULKT) ----- Are you aware of Biden charging the Treasury Dept rent for the Secret Service on his property?

Posted by: Toaster at June 02, 2012 04:03 PM (sJKFk)

91 Uh, fellas? That drone ~~I presented to,~~ uh, recovered by Iran? It's a big old Trojan full of malicious code and microchips with bootalicious backdoors.

Now, knee before me!

Posted by: President Wee Wee at June 02, 2012 04:03 PM (ZN5qR)

92 82 Please excuse the OT here but is are you all aware of the mailing going out in WI that lists your neighbors' name address whether they voted? Posted by: kqb29 at June 02, 2012 07:56 PM (Iqyva) Mentioned on the last thread, they talked about it in some detail at Althouse. Including the threat of sending info on political (Republican) donors to neighbors. And the fact that it's an admission that the left are the criminals and thugs, because no one would think of "exposing" Democrats in their neighborhood because no one would do anything about it, yet the implied threat of vandalism, harassment and other attacks follows a threat to "expose" Republicans. They're talking about digging up info on the people doing this (about time). Apparently the "thesis advisor" for this "study" isn;t even a professor - they're a Democrat activist.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 02, 2012 04:03 PM (bxiXv)

93 Its getting very easy to make the case that this asshole IS in fact some kind of infiltrator, terrorist, and America hating motherfucker

Just like every other democrat. Is there a single one that doesn't hate America?

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 02, 2012 04:04 PM (HtUdo)

94 My greatest fear remains that after he loses the election, he and his cronies will concoct a November surprise to come up with a way to stay in office. Effectively a coup d'etat, and a suspension of the constitution during the emergency. I wouldn't put this past any of the pathetic lefty cry-babies. Imagine "Emporer Obama". The skin crawls. Doesn't require a tin-foil hat to see how his efforts to take away weapons from law abiding citizens appear to support the notion of an emporer.

Posted by: John Galt at June 02, 2012 04:04 PM (9NQ6I)

"You don't give this information away! And President Obama did.

Why?"

Because he's a fucking ASSHOLE.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 02, 2012 04:05 PM (4s7w4)

Thank you, Dark Lord...

Posted by: kqb29 at June 02, 2012 04:05 PM (Iqyva)

97 In January I really thought that it wasn't possible for the JEF to piss me off any more than he already had. How wrong I was.

Posted by: Toaster at June 02, 2012 04:06 PM (sJKFk)

People really are too stupid to self-govern. Mind you, that doesn't make fascists right, because if you're too stupid to self-govern, your're obviously too stupid to govern anyone else.

It wasn't always like that. Somebody had a link to a school test from the late 19th or very early 20th century that illustrated well the decrease of quality in education. Almost scarily so.

We've been made stupid, primarily by allowing domestic enemies such as Bill Ayers and his ilk into the educational system.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy with talent on loan from SMOD at June 02, 2012 04:06 PM (d0Tfm)

99 96 Thank you, Dark Lord... Posted by: kqb29 at June 02, 2012 08:05 PM (Iqyva) And people wonder why I've kept the same nickname for so long...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 02, 2012 04:07 PM (bxiXv)

100 My greatest fear remains that after he loses the election, he and his cronies will concoct a November surprise to come up with a way to stay in office. Effectively a coup d'etat, and a suspension of the constitution during the emergency.

Wouldn't work. There are too many people in the government who would simply refuse to follow orders. They don't have to take sides, simply refuse to get off their asses.

Any attempt would likely end up in the Supreme Court very quickly, with a ruling against the Administration. Romney would still be sworn in on Jan 20th, and US Marshals would be sent to arrest Obama if he refused to vacate the WH.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 04:08 PM (kLlbZ)

101 Link to info about slow Joe collecting rent $$ from secret service... http://scoamf.us/uF

Posted by: Toaster at June 02, 2012 04:08 PM (sJKFk)

102 "Any attempt would likely end up in the Supreme Court very quickly, with a ruling against the Administration. Romney would still be sworn in on Jan 20th, and US Marshals would be sent to arrest Obama if he refused to vacate the WH." ... The point being that Obama has wagged his finger disapprovingly at the SCOTUS. He has challenged their authority. What makes you think for a second he would respect any other authority? Even more relevant, lefties *always* want a revolution. *Always*. This would be theirs.

Posted by: John Galt at June 02, 2012 04:10 PM (9NQ6I)

103 Even more relevant, lefties *always* want a revolution. *Always*. This would be theirs. Posted by: John Galt at June 02, 2012 08:10 PM (9NQ6I) Here's to the shortest and most pathetically ineffectual revolution in history.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 02, 2012 04:11 PM (bxiXv)

104
in 20 to 25 years when the books are finally written on what happened in this regime I am sure it will be vomit inducing.
Posted by: Truck Monkey
------------------------

It'll be like the time you turned your back on your 18-month-old for two seconds and then saw them toddling at the edge of a busy highway. It'll be like the time you woke up in your car without knowing how you got there and realize you drove 90 miles dead drunk. It'll be like the time you wondered why the gun wouldn't go off and you looked down the barrel to check, while your finger was resting on the trigger.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at June 02, 2012 04:12 PM (7P/17)

105 Strangely, he's also managed to give away our stealth helicopter and drone secrets. I think he's holding out on the missle defense to make sure he gets Chinese and Russian campaign money. No, I'm not kidding.

Posted by: Slurpee Liberation Front at June 02, 2012 04:13 PM (NVu2l)

106
The point being that Obama has wagged his finger disapprovingly at the SCOTUS. He has challenged their authority. What makes you think for a second he would respect any other authority?

It doesn't matter if he respects it or not if he doesn't have support. If they rule that Romney is the legitimate President, then there are plenty of men with guns who will enforce that.

Even more relevant, lefties *always* want a revolution. *Always*. This would be theirs.

They'd lose very quickly. The military wouldn't support them, the police wouldn't support them, and most of the citizenry wouldn't support them.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 04:13 PM (kLlbZ)

107 Biden charging rent for Secret Service people?

THE BALLS ON THESE GUYS!

Posted by: The Q quoting toby at June 02, 2012 04:14 PM (LnQhT)

108 Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at June 02, 2012 08:12 PM (7P/17) =========================== Yup. Like that. It is sad because I believe that he has done irreparable damage to this country.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 02, 2012 04:15 PM (jucos)

109 in 20 to 25 years when the books are finally written on what happened in this regime I am sure it will be vomit inducing.

It won't be even 2-5 years from now. No doubt if he loses there will be plenty of Dems with publishing deals already in place. They will want to rehabilitate their own images by writing about how they were the only voice of reason and that the rest of the WH never listened to them.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 04:16 PM (kLlbZ)

110 105 That one is on the military,the demoloition carges were inadequate and left useable wreckage.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2012 04:16 PM (Xb3hu)

111 against the Administration. Romney would still be sworn in on Jan 20th, and US Marshals would be sent to arrest Obama if he refused to vacate the WH.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 08:08 PM (kLlbZ)

Before Fast and Furious, I might have believed that. Now, I'm sure the majority of federal LEOs are corrupt brown shirts.

Posted by: Slurpee Liberation Front at June 02, 2012 04:16 PM (NVu2l)

112 You wingnuts wanted more transparency, you got it!

Posted by: Karusky at June 02, 2012 04:18 PM (kwOeR)

113 Before Fast and Furious, I might have believed that. Now, I'm sure the majority of federal LEOs are corrupt brown shirts.

The vast majority are going to do whatever keeps their bread buttered. Kicking off a civil war in the country is high on the list of things that won't do that. If given the option, the majority will choose a peaceful transition of power over propping up a corrupt narcissist.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 04:20 PM (kLlbZ)

114 That one is on the military,the demoloition carges were inadequate and left useable wreckage.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2012 08:16 PM (Xb3hu)

Sure. And the drone (when did we quit calling them UAVs?) miraculously landed totally intact and no attempt was made to destroy it. So, China AND Russia not have sample of our stealth tech. I guess Russia put up more money to get an undamaged sample.

Posted by: Slurpee Liberation Front at June 02, 2012 04:20 PM (NVu2l)

115 114 The UAV was different,the ,military wanted to bomb it and Obama denied permission.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2012 04:23 PM (Xb3hu)

116

"Here's to the shortest and most pathetically ineffectual revolution in history."

Heh... Once they find the gun shop, and find out there is a 3 day waiting purchase time, all we have to do is inform them that earplugs are mandatory with each gun purchase.

And they won't be available for several weeks...

Posted by: HH at June 02, 2012 04:24 PM (v+ExF)

117 New Romney slogan: Romney 2012 - He Won't Give You a FREAKIN STROKE!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 02, 2012 04:25 PM (bxiXv)

118 The UAV was different,the ,military wanted to bomb it and Obama denied permission.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2012 08:23 PM (Xb3hu)

Isn't that one of those things that make you say, "Hmmm?"

The fact that no one blew it hell anyway is proof that the military will follow the president's orders even if it is treasonous. QED.

Posted by: Slurpee Liberation Front at June 02, 2012 04:25 PM (NVu2l)

119 118 He's CiC they do what he says.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2012 04:30 PM (Xb3hu)

120 Me heap big into flipping teepees.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren, Squaw at June 02, 2012 04:30 PM (BVkEs)

121 See also Judge Andrew Napolitano's piece, "The Secret Kill List". http://townhall.com/columnists/judgeandrewnapolitano/ 2012/05/31/the_secret_kill_list/page/full/

Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2012 04:32 PM (sdi6R)

122 He's CiC they do what he says.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2012 08:30 PM (Xb3hu)

My point exactly. Anyone expecting the military to save them are delusional.

Posted by: Slurpee Liberation Front at June 02, 2012 04:32 PM (NVu2l)

123 The fact that no one blew it hell anyway is proof that the military will follow the president's orders even if it is treasonous. QED.

Die of cancer you piece of shit.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 04:35 PM (kLlbZ)

124 >>Posted by: garrett borrowing a little, here... at June 02, 2012 07:50 PM (4eNMP)

Heh

garret, conceptually that was a superm.
I guess that you could say that SCOAMF is a lobrid Progressive breeding technique

Posted by: ontherocks at June 02, 2012 04:35 PM (aZ6ew)

125 Based on what I read, the flame virus looks like it was put together using duct tape, probably by kindergarden kiddies. It is several different programs glued together with a scripting language. Maybe the president really is responsible for it!

Posted by: Mr Tea at June 02, 2012 04:41 PM (QpR9Y)

126 Die of cancer you piece of shit.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 08:35 PM (kLlbZ)

Care to point out why I'm wrong?

Posted by: Slurpee Liberation Front at June 02, 2012 04:41 PM (NVu2l)

127 Stuttering Clusterf*ck of a Miserable Traitor

Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 02, 2012 04:45 PM (+XVQe)

128
Care to point out why I'm wrong?

Because you just declared that the entire US military would support treason simply because they followed an unpleasant but lawful military decision.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 04:45 PM (kLlbZ)

129 Because you just declared that the entire US military would support treason simply because they followed an unpleasant but lawful military decision.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 08:45 PM (kLlbZ)

Good point. I'm probably over generalizing. But is not the transfer of stealth tech to our enemies not treasonous? I guess Zero just needs to give the orders to the right people.

Posted by: Slurpee Liberation Front at June 02, 2012 04:49 PM (NVu2l)

130 Why don't we kill traitors anymore?

Posted by: sablegsd at June 02, 2012 04:51 PM (AKS75)

131 "The vast majority are going to do whatever keeps their bread buttered. Kicking off a civil war in the country is high on the list of things that won't do that. If given the option, the majority will choose a peaceful transition of power over propping up a corrupt narcissist. " Everyone (but the lefties) want a peaceful transition. The lefties want a revolution. This SCOAMF has manage to compromise sources and methods in the name of a re-election. He has done things he really shouldn't have done. Staying on past his sell by date ... not such a stretch. And no, there would be significant confusion over who was in charge. There are enough dimwitted lefties in the police/armed forces so that the question of who was actually CiC would be contested. We know who would be, but they can claim otherwise given some sort of emergency. Look, I think Romney's gonna win, and its gonna be big. Obama won't let go the reigns of power. Its too intoxicating to lefties. So he and his forces do some sort of coup. I don't think, given what he has done, that this is all that far fetched. He has little respect for the law, for SCOTUS, for the constitution. Wouldn't take much to convince him to stay. And of course, it would be played that way. /shudders.

Posted by: John Galt at June 02, 2012 04:58 PM (9NQ6I)

132 And I bet he did it all from his Blackberry!

Posted by: pj at June 02, 2012 05:01 PM (DQHjw)

133

If the president ordered one each of our stealth aircraft to be flown to China, and the pilots fly home commercial, would that be a lawful order, Alex? Would it be obeyed?

Posted by: Slurpee Liberation Front at June 02, 2012 05:02 PM (NVu2l)

134
Good point. I'm probably over generalizing. But is not the transfer of stealth tech to our enemies not treasonous? I guess Zero just needs to give the orders to the right people.

The decision to not destroy the UAV is a military decision. It may suck, but it's still a legitimate military decision. If he was briefed on the risks and benefits of various courses of action and decided on that one, then yes the military will follow through.

Most people don't seem to understand that there is a difference between lawful orders and good orders. The military leadership will ask "is this order lawful", but if the answer is yes then they will follow through even if it may seem to be harmful to the interests of the US. They have to give the President the respect and trust that his decisions are made with the best information available and with the best interests of the US in mind. The President can order the US Army to conduct all combat operations in Afghanistan with nothing but butter knives and slingshots and it would be a lawful order. It would be suicidal but lawful and it would be followed.

The alternative is one in which the military questions every order from the WH and actively undermines it. Nothing good can come of that.

In your scenario, the military would have plenty of room to decide that any order given by the President in order to block a legitimate transfer of power is illegal, and they would refuse. The may not actively take part in removing him from power, in fact that would be for the best, but they could very well order troops to stay home and not get involved. Especially if the Supreme Court declared any attempt to undermine the election as illegal.

Could some support Obama? Certainly. However, like LEOs, they'd likely know it was a losing cause, and few would want to plunge the country into a civil war for that narcissist. Better to let there be a peaceful transfer of power.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 05:05 PM (kLlbZ)

135 If the president ordered one each of our stealth aircraft to be flown to China, and the pilots fly home commercial, would that be a lawful order, Alex? Would it be obeyed?

Lawful? Probably. Obeyed? Possibly. A refusal would constitute a coup against the government. The military would likely try every trick to delay and get congress involved, but if Congress refused to get involved then yes. You would almost certainly see a high probability of "engine failures" over the Pacific and such, but nothing outright defying such an order.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 05:10 PM (kLlbZ)

136 OK, how many people file lawsuits against the govt on Monday for STUXNET remediation costs and damages?

The govt intentionally caused this thing. Professional due diligence was clearly lacking it its design/implementation/testing. People were harmed by it. Obama has confessed to ordering it.

This should be a slam dunk winner.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 02, 2012 05:14 PM (N4c6h)

137 alrighty, I'm out of here. The baristas are giving me dirty looks and I have studying to do. See y'all on the ONT.

Posted by: Alex at June 02, 2012 05:16 PM (kLlbZ)

138

Thanks for the feedback, Alex. I know you were an O ganger, so I figure the idea of civilian control is more a religion than just a good idea.

I don't see where we disagree much. Someone in the military will follow orders even if the result is treason, and the best we can hope, if there is ever any domestic unpleasantness is that local commanders will keep their troops in barracks.

I'd just like to finally knock in the head any thoughts people might have that the military is gonna save them. It is annoying. It isn't their job.

Posted by: Slurpee Liberation Front at June 02, 2012 05:44 PM (NVu2l)

139 It will be awesome if some Iranian hackers back engineer Stuxnet and bring down our email systems or our power grid. It will be Bush's fault.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 02, 2012 05:58 PM (f2eXO)

140 Uh .. no ... the information needed to take down the centrifuges could have only come from Siemens ... follow the logic, OB?

Posted by: datsnotamore at June 02, 2012 06:39 PM (TABQC)

141 In that photo, is that some Islamic jizzum on The Precedent's chin? Someone forgot to give Teh Won a Kleenex!!!

Posted by: Clutch at June 02, 2012 06:56 PM (4P4ww)

142 Obama is a reflection of the American people. Americans deserve who they elect. - What Obama & his minions have done by giving up TS info is not only bad for national security, it is also demoralizing to those of us who work daily to safeguard such info & material. If justice were to be served the next administration would prosecute those responsible to the maximum extent possible under the law. This needs to occur in order to discourage other politicians from ever doing the same thing. But, of course no such thing will happen. We no longer stand up for what's just, good, and right any longer.

Posted by: An agent at June 02, 2012 07:52 PM (q72+j)

143 This traitorous pos and Jarrett, to name a few, need to be sent to the Illinois politician retirement home. Federal prison.

Posted by: d at June 02, 2012 09:12 PM (7XH0F)

144 Ya mean BO is more interested in getting re-elected than in national security?!?! Whoda thunk it!?

Posted by: Gary Rosen at June 02, 2012 11:59 PM (Kz60W)

145 I would love to see the Marine guards drag Obama's skinny ass out of the White House and dump him on the sidewalk of Pennsylvania Ave, if he tried to stay past time.

The first line of Romney's inauguration speech should be "I hereby issue Executive Order #1...all EO's issued between Jan 20, 2009 and 11:59 AM of Jan 20, 2013 are overturned, pending review."

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 03, 2012 12:22 AM (fiXQh)

146 Not sure why ArthurK never noticed before Greenwald's steady principled dissent against Obama. I thought it was pretty clear.

Posted by: TooCon at June 03, 2012 07:33 AM (YcTIW)

147 79 77 Yep,melanin is a wonderful thing to have an excess of.Justifies almost any behavior.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2012 07:56 PM (Xb3hu)

Except voting Republican,

Posted by: baldilocks at June 03, 2012 08:15 AM (6kWFm)

148 Oh that ArthurK ... he's just such a right-winger. I bet he made all that stuff up! O.o

Posted by: mikezach at June 04, 2012 04:02 PM (qKiSz)

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